Messages in S-Trains group. Page 1 of 1.

Group: S-Trains Message: 58024 From: afvair Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Group: S-Trains Message: 58025 From: Bruce Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58026 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Group: S-Trains Message: 58027 From: wisner_mark Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Soldering Iron?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58028 From: ron plyler Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Soldering Iron?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58029 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58030 From: N Becker Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58031 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58032 From: michael prell Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58033 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: trainminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58034 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder CD images
Group: S-Trains Message: 58035 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58036 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Soldering Iron?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58037 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Group: S-Trains Message: 58038 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58039 From: afvair Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Group: S-Trains Message: 58040 From: Steve Lunde Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Soldering Iron?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58041 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Group: S-Trains Message: 58042 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: AF Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58043 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58044 From: Robert A Persing Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Trainminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58045 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58046 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58047 From: michael robinson Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: hi
Group: S-Trains Message: 58048 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58049 From: wisner_mark Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Soldering Iron?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58050 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58051 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58052 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58053 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58054 From: michael robinson Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: well i have tryed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58055 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/2/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58056 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 58057 From: rep928 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle
Group: S-Trains Message: 58058 From: rep928 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: North Carolina S-gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 58059 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58060 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Just
Group: S-Trains Message: 58061 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58062 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58063 From: Dave Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58064 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
Group: S-Trains Message: 58065 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58066 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: More electrical stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58067 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58068 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58069 From: michael prell Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: More electrical stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58070 From: wisner_mark Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: More electrical stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58071 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: 2009 Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 58072 From: michael prell Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58073 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58074 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Latest on Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 58075 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58076 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: 2009 Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 58077 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: New Layout Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 58078 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58079 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: RE;More electrical stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58080 From: mike Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: tmcc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58081 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58082 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58083 From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58084 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58085 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 58086 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 58087 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
Group: S-Trains Message: 58088 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/3/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58089 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
Group: S-Trains Message: 58090 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58091 From: Lennis Hall Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58092 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58093 From: michael prell Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58094 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: And the winner of the book is ......
Group: S-Trains Message: 58095 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/3/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58096 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: tmcc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58097 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Group: S-Trains Message: 58098 From: glenn allen Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58099 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58100 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
Group: S-Trains Message: 58101 From: sgaugian Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Big Boy - whistle vs smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 58102 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58103 From: mike Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58104 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58105 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58106 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58107 From: mike jones Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58108 From: Dave Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: WWII Posters
Group: S-Trains Message: 58109 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: NEED SOME HELP
Group: S-Trains Message: 58110 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58111 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 58112 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58113 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Trans-Atlantic Commerce
Group: S-Trains Message: 58114 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58115 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58116 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/3/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58117 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Wedding Veil
Group: S-Trains Message: 58118 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58119 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: Trans-Atlantic Commerce
Group: S-Trains Message: 58120 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: My answers to "powerful" questions...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58121 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58122 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58123 From: MikeS Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Toy Train Paper & Memorabilia Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 58124 From: John Metzger Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58125 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58126 From: wjchadbourne Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Big Boy Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 58127 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58128 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58129 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58130 From: clayton deich Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 58131 From: sgaugian Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58132 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 58133 From: michael prell Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58134 From: michael prell Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58135 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: SHS Chessie For Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58136 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Bob Hogan layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 58137 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58138 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 58139 From: Bill Drake Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58140 From: boblines51 Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Lionel movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 58141 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 58142 From: mike jones Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58143 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 58144 From: hmmarks@comcast.net Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58145 From: Vin Kosobiecki Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Collector
Group: S-Trains Message: 58146 From: sgaugian Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58147 From: Rhett George Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: More electrical stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58148 From: Rhett George Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: North Carolina S-gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 58149 From: A E Johnson Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58150 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: The insufferable bore...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58151 From: mike Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58152 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Articulated Locomotives: not all were Mallets
Group: S-Trains Message: 58153 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58154 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58155 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Doubleheading with drawbars
Group: S-Trains Message: 58156 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58157 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: voltage/continuity tester
Group: S-Trains Message: 58158 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58159 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Spring Spree Forms Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 58160 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58161 From: richs009 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Articulated Locomotives: not all were Mallets
Group: S-Trains Message: 58162 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58163 From: mike jones Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58164 From: Scott Davidson Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: My answers to "powerful" questions... 2 more cents....
Group: S-Trains Message: 58165 From: Jim Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Jewel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58166 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Spring Spree Forms Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 58167 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58168 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58169 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: No special leap year.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58170 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58171 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: voltage/continuity tester
Group: S-Trains Message: 58172 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: voltage/continuity tester
Group: S-Trains Message: 58173 From: Monte Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Scenery question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58174 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Fw: SHS Chessie For Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58175 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58176 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58177 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58178 From: rj4010d Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Group: S-Trains Message: 58179 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58180 From: mike jones Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58181 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 58182 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: 2010 Spring Spree forms uploaded
Group: S-Trains Message: 58183 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58184 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58185 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58186 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 58187 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58188 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58189 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58190 From: TWesthelle@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: HO Lionel Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58191 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58192 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: HO Lionel Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58193 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 58194 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58195 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58196 From: N Becker Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Train Minder Saga
Group: S-Trains Message: 58197 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58198 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58199 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Chevy Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58200 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58201 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58202 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58203 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58204 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58205 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58206 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58207 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58208 From: michael robinson Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: a ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58209 From: mike jones Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58210 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Northern Wheel Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58211 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58212 From: canambob91710k Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58213 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58214 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: a ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58215 From: clayton deich Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58216 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58217 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58218 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58219 From: A E Johnson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Quality Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 58220 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58221 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: AF HO Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58222 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58223 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58224 From: Jim Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: No Reverse on Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58225 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58226 From: David Dewey Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58227 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: More quality control adventures...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58228 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58229 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58230 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58231 From: Neil Trump Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Big Boy issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58232 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58233 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58234 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58235 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58236 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58237 From: alguckes2001 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: More on quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58238 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: No Reverse on Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58239 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58240 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58241 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58242 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58243 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58244 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More on quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58245 From: N Becker Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: No Reverse on Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58246 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58247 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58248 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58249 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58250 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58251 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58252 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: No Reverse on Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58253 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Finding parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 58254 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: No Reverse on Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58255 From: michael robinson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58256 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58257 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58258 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58259 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58260 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 58261 From: alguckes2001 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58262 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Finding parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 58263 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58264 From: N Becker Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Finding parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 58265 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58266 From: Jim Grimes Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58267 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58268 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58269 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58270 From: navmedguy Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58271 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58272 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58273 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58274 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: [Sn42_Conspiracy_Group] Re: Got a new Critter candidate today
Group: S-Trains Message: 58275 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: reports
Group: S-Trains Message: 58276 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58277 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58278 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58279 From: George Cohn Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58280 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58281 From: N Becker Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58282 From: George Cohn Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58283 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Computer Security (was) Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58284 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Computer Security (was) Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 58285 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58286 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58287 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58288 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Fw: SHS Chessie For Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58289 From: william yavelak Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58290 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58291 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58292 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/8/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58293 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58294 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Sound buttons.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58295 From: michael robinson Date: 1/8/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58296 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Sound buttons.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58297 From: michael robinson Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Sound
Group: S-Trains Message: 58298 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Sound
Group: S-Trains Message: 58299 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58300 From: michael robinson Date: 1/8/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58301 From: rj4010d Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58302 From: Jim Grimes Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58303 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58304 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58305 From: sgaugian Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58306 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58307 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58308 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Circuit breakers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58309 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58310 From: william yavelak Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58311 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58312 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58313 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58314 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/10/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58315 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58316 From: william yavelak Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58317 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: AC DC confusion
Group: S-Trains Message: 58318 From: michael robinson Date: 1/9/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58319 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58320 From: sgaugian Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Big Boy number boards - illuminated?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58321 From: eric Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: FOR SALE S/SN3 Modeling Guide 42 issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58322 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58323 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Circuit breakers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58324 From: Jim Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re-Discovery!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58325 From: Coopers Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58326 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: TYransformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58327 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58328 From: jaay_st Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: AC Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58329 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58330 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC-DC Confusion , a bit more
Group: S-Trains Message: 58331 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58332 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Screw Memorial Service
Group: S-Trains Message: 58333 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Re-Discovery!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58334 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58335 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Discovery
Group: S-Trains Message: 58336 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58337 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58338 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC-DC Confusion , a bit more
Group: S-Trains Message: 58339 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/10/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58340 From: sgaugian Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 58341 From: michael robinson Date: 1/10/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58342 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58343 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} SHS Chessie For Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58344 From: sscalemn Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Pre and Post NASG Convention Activities (Layout Tours and Rail Sites
Group: S-Trains Message: 58345 From: michael prell Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58346 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58347 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58348 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58349 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58350 From: John Degnan Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Pizza-Flavored "S"tuff For "S"ale
Group: S-Trains Message: 58351 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58352 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58353 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58354 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58355 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58356 From: michael robinson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58357 From: michael prell Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58358 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58359 From: Herbert Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58360 From: The Laniers Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58361 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58362 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58363 From: mike jones Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58364 From: michael prell Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58365 From: The Laniers Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58366 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58367 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58368 From: william cole Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58369 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Quality control issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58370 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58371 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58372 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: OT- TCA and members should fight for quality (was) When I pay premiu
Group: S-Trains Message: 58373 From: Harold henion Jr. Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58374 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: A/F by L
Group: S-Trains Message: 58375 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Lionel to sell American Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58376 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58377 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: OT- TCA and members should fight for quality (was) When I pay ..
Group: S-Trains Message: 58378 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58379 From: Ben Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58380 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58381 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58382 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58383 From: clayton deich Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58384 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Ashba Email Address
Group: S-Trains Message: 58385 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58386 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Ashba Email Address
Group: S-Trains Message: 58387 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Parts need followup
Group: S-Trains Message: 58388 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Ashba Email Address
Group: S-Trains Message: 58389 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: OT- TCA and members should fight for quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58390 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Parts need
Group: S-Trains Message: 58391 From: Ronald Prucha Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need followup
Group: S-Trains Message: 58392 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58393 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
Group: S-Trains Message: 58394 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 58395 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58396 From: bphent Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: SceniKing photo backdrop kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 58397 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58398 From: michael prell Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58399 From: Bruce Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58400 From: Bruce Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Group: S-Trains Message: 58401 From: michael robinson Date: 1/12/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58402 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58403 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: A message to our moderators
Group: S-Trains Message: 58404 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58405 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited Testimonial
Group: S-Trains Message: 58406 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58407 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Speaking of CTT articles.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 58408 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58409 From: clayton deich Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
Group: S-Trains Message: 58410 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58411 From: clayton deich Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58412 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Here's your chance
Group: S-Trains Message: 58413 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
Group: S-Trains Message: 58414 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58415 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58416 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: A message to our moderators
Group: S-Trains Message: 58417 From: michael prell Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited Testimonial
Group: S-Trains Message: 58418 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
Group: S-Trains Message: 58419 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58420 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Log Loader Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58421 From: michael robinson Date: 1/13/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58422 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
Group: S-Trains Message: 58423 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58424 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: An apology to our Moderators
Group: S-Trains Message: 58425 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58426 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58427 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58428 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58429 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited Testimonial
Group: S-Trains Message: 58430 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58431 From: sgaugian Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58432 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58433 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Mike Reagan at Lionel CARES
Group: S-Trains Message: 58434 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58435 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Lionel Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 58436 From: michael robinson Date: 1/13/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 58437 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58438 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Canadian Train Coin
Group: S-Trains Message: 58439 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58440 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58441 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Southland's mystery monster train
Group: S-Trains Message: 58442 From: Bruce Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58443 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: [Fwd: The Gilbert HO Index]
Group: S-Trains Message: 58444 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58445 From: pdwoods70 Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Reversing Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58446 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58447 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Canadian Toy Train Coin--CAREFUL
Group: S-Trains Message: 58448 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58449 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58450 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58451 From: Bruce Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58452 From: Bob Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Subscription Renewals
Group: S-Trains Message: 58453 From: Dave Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: AF- #985 B&M Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 58454 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58455 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58456 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58457 From: michael prell Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58458 From: Herbert Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58459 From: alguckes2001 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58460 From: pdwoods70 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58461 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58462 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58463 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58464 From: michael prell Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58465 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58466 From: sgaugian Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Big Boy pilot mounted radiators
Group: S-Trains Message: 58467 From: mike Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: great place to buy s-helper
Group: S-Trains Message: 58468 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Group: S-Trains Message: 58469 From: sgaugian Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Box car stirrup steps - metal
Group: S-Trains Message: 58470 From: The Laniers Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Box car stirrup steps - metal
Group: S-Trains Message: 58471 From: Herbert Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58472 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58473 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58474 From: pdwoods70 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: AF-Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58475 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58476 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AF-Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58477 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re Märklin & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 58478 From: hchenion@yahoo.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AF-Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58479 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58480 From: George Cohn Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58481 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: CTT and Game train article
Group: S-Trains Message: 58482 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58483 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 58484 From: Herbert Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58485 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58486 From: sgaugian Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Box car stirrup steps - metal
Group: S-Trains Message: 58487 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Last Train Home
Group: S-Trains Message: 58488 From: Bruce Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58489 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58490 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Quality: Comparing cars and toy trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 58491 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Canadian Toy Train Coin--CAREFUL
Group: S-Trains Message: 58492 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Removing shells from AM FA and FB for purposes of repainting
Group: S-Trains Message: 58493 From: Dave Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Trucking Lines Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 58494 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Train show in Troy, Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 58495 From: fahrwud Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58496 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58497 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Cow on Track - Help!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58498 From: michael prell Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58499 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/17/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58500 From: preardon4girls Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: S-Helper marker lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 58501 From: Herbert Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58502 From: Herbert Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58503 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Cow Back on Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58504 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Cow Back on Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58505 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track - Help!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58506 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: S-Helper marker lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 58507 From: Herbert Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58508 From: alanlambert2006 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Local train show Plano Texas Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 58509 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58510 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track - Help!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58511 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Quality: Comparing cars and toy trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 58512 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58513 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58514 From: Matthew Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58515 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58516 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58517 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58518 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58519 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58520 From: michael prell Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58521 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58522 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58523 From: Dave Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: NEW Decal Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 58524 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58525 From: David Dewey Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Chat tonite, I might not be there--but good excuse--TRAINS!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58526 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58527 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58528 From: Rance and Bente Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58529 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/17/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58530 From: Alan Evans Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 58531 From: Larry Asp Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58532 From: Jerry Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 58533 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58534 From: N Becker Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58535 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58536 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 58537 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58538 From: michael robinson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: sound button
Group: S-Trains Message: 58539 From: Jerry Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 58540 From: michael prell Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Zippy Reality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58541 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58542 From: Monte Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 58543 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Zippy Reality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58544 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58545 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Zippy Reality
Group: S-Trains Message: 58546 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 58547 From: michael prell Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58548 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58549 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58550 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58551 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58552 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58553 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58554 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Need your prayers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58555 From: michael prell Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58556 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Need your prayers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58557 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Need your prayers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58558 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Mike Reagan at Lionel CARES
Group: S-Trains Message: 58559 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58560 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58561 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: A note to Lionel regarding quality considerations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58562 From: Gene Cimino Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 58563 From: michael prell Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58564 From: N Becker Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58565 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58566 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58567 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58568 From: Dave Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: AF #24006
Group: S-Trains Message: 58569 From: michael prell Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58570 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 58571 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58572 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: SHS REA Christmas Piggyback
Group: S-Trains Message: 58573 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: A note to Lionel regarding quality considerations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58574 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58575 From: michael prell Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58576 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: SHS REA Christmas Piggyback
Group: S-Trains Message: 58577 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 58578 From: Bob Groh Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: A note to Lionel regarding quality considerations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58579 From: preardon4girls Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Coffee Table layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 58581 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Great Train Song
Group: S-Trains Message: 58582 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Thanks for the memories...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58583 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Contact at Lionel for Customer Service issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 58584 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: The Olden Days
Group: S-Trains Message: 58585 From: A E Johnson Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Coffee Table Empire
Group: S-Trains Message: 58586 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days
Group: S-Trains Message: 58587 From: Scott Davidson Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58588 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: SHS REA Christmas Piggyback
Group: S-Trains Message: 58589 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: Coffee Table Empire
Group: S-Trains Message: 58590 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: PVMR Staff updates
Group: S-Trains Message: 58591 From: garyfr2003 Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Files ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58592 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58593 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: Files ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58594 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Group Archives
Group: S-Trains Message: 58595 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 58596 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 58597 From: Bruce Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58598 From: Bruce Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days
Group: S-Trains Message: 58599 From: Ed Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: City of Paris Department Store Layout, San Francisco CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 58600 From: Bruce Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58601 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 58602 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Doctor's Office
Group: S-Trains Message: 58603 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: City of Paris Department Store Layout, San Francisco CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 58604 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58605 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58606 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58607 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Gold's Department Store?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58608 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Ah, those old memories...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58609 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Back to trains.... Airplane Load
Group: S-Trains Message: 58610 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 58611 From: sgaugian Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58612 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ah, those old memories...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58613 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58614 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58615 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58616 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ah, those old memories...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58617 From: nsupbnsf Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Service (GAS) Station from K-Line by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 58618 From: msperry45 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58619 From: David Dewey Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: City of Paris Department Store Layout, San Francisco CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 58620 From: Scott Davidson Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58621 From: race944t Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 58622 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58623 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58624 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58625 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58626 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58627 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58628 From: richs009 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58629 From: richs009 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Back to trains.... Airplane Load
Group: S-Trains Message: 58630 From: Randall Griggs Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Back to trains...Airplane Load
Group: S-Trains Message: 58631 From: william yavelak Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58632 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58633 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58634 From: clayton deich Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58635 From: sgaugeandy Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58636 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58637 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 58638 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Train Plates
Group: S-Trains Message: 58639 From: JohnS Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Group: S-Trains Message: 58640 From: John Seaman Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Hi group, glad to join & share with you.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58641 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Hi group, glad to join & share with you.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58642 From: Alex Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Group: S-Trains Message: 58643 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: VA WGHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 58644 From: John Seaman Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Group: S-Trains Message: 58645 From: michael prell Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Group: S-Trains Message: 58646 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58647 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hi group, glad to join
Group: S-Trains Message: 58648 From: Michael Sperry Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58649 From: Monte Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 58650 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Gold's Department Store
Group: S-Trains Message: 58651 From: richs009 Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: group search function
Group: S-Trains Message: 58652 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Sound for AC Locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58653 From: yabo1@cox.net Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Railracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 58654 From: Thomas Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Need some assistance with my AF 355 Baldwin Switcher.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58655 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Crown Reefers available
Group: S-Trains Message: 58656 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Railracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 58657 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/24/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58658 From: grant Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Anyone also collect Marx prewar (or knows someone)?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58659 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Crown Reefers available
Group: S-Trains Message: 58660 From: Thorin Marty Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Old foam on a painted brass model
Group: S-Trains Message: 58661 From: richs009 Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Sound for AC Locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58662 From: Bill Drake Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Anyone also collect Marx prewar (or knows someone)?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58663 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Need some assistance with my AF 355 Baldwin Switcher.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58664 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: WGHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 58665 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: AF set for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 58666 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/24/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58667 From: Thomas Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Need some assistance with my AF 355 Baldwin Switcher.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58668 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: LotS of S for Sale - locos, freights, passengers, and a set
Group: S-Trains Message: 58669 From: michael prell Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Follow Up
Group: S-Trains Message: 58670 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Follow Up
Group: S-Trains Message: 58671 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: LotS of S for Sale - locos, freights, passengers, and a set
Group: S-Trains Message: 58672 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58673 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Group: S-Trains Message: 58674 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Frontiersman #30 Baggage Car Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 58675 From: N Becker Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Train Minder - Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58676 From: race944t Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58677 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58678 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58679 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58680 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Frontiersman #30 Baggage Car Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 58681 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58682 From: clayton deich Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58683 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58684 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58685 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58686 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58687 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58688 From: Bob C Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival Layout Tour -San Luis Obispo, CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 58689 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Walther's Hulett Unloader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58690 From: sgaugian Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58691 From: Karl Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Lionel ‘Customer Service’
Group: S-Trains Message: 58692 From: Karl Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Lionel ‘Customer Service’
Group: S-Trains Message: 58693 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Re: Central Coast Railroad Festival Layout Tour -San Luis Obispo, CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 58694 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 58695 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: SW9 For Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58696 From: Ed Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Street lights....
Group: S-Trains Message: 58697 From: Alan Evans Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: Street lights....
Group: S-Trains Message: 58698 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Cobweb Merchandise Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58699 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgson p
Group: S-Trains Message: 58700 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58701 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58702 From: Ed Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Street lights....
Group: S-Trains Message: 58703 From: Bill Lane Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Check out my short video
Group: S-Trains Message: 58704 From: fahrwud Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: Walther's Hulett Unloader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58705 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: The video
Group: S-Trains Message: 58706 From: Dave Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: AF - HO Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 58707 From: Ken Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58708 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58709 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58710 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58711 From: clayton deich Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 58712 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58713 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 58714 From: Thomas Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: AF 355 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 58715 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58716 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58717 From: Larry Asp Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58718 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58719 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58720 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58721 From: Gary Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: 24577 J75 containers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58722 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: 24577 J75 containers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58723 From: michael prell Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Joseph Lechner's Train History
Group: S-Trains Message: 58724 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: 24577 J75 containers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58725 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58726 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: 24577 J75 containers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58727 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58728 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58729 From: Jerry Hiett Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58730 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58731 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58732 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58733 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58734 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodg
Group: S-Trains Message: 58735 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Train Room Now Has Style
Group: S-Trains Message: 58736 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Big Boy followup (It lives)
Group: S-Trains Message: 58737 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58738 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58739 From: Dave Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: AF - HO Decals Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58740 From: sscalemn Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58741 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58742 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58743 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58744 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58745 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58746 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Leaches 6-minute epoxy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58747 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58748 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58749 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: PAGING BILL LANE
Group: S-Trains Message: 58750 From: grant Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Factory repair binder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58751 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Factory repair binder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58752 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Factory repair binder
Group: S-Trains Message: 58753 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58754 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Tom The Dancing Bug
Group: S-Trains Message: 58755 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Talking Station Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 58756 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58757 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Fw: back stop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58758 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58759 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/31/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58760 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58761 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 58762 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 58763 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58764 From: Christopher Burger Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: PRICE GUIDES.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58765 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58766 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Ya Gotta See This...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58767 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58768 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Sad news from LITITZ, PA on Friday night
Group: S-Trains Message: 58769 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58770 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58771 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Talking Station - More Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58772 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Fw: Bill Boyce
Group: S-Trains Message: 58773 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58774 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58775 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58776 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58777 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: PRICE GUIDES.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58778 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58779 From: Dave Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: #24320/21
Group: S-Trains Message: 58780 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube video
Group: S-Trains Message: 58781 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/31/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58782 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58783 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58784 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: PRICE GUIDES.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58785 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58786 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - More Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 58787 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58788 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58789 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube vid
Group: S-Trains Message: 58790 From: michael prell Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube vid
Group: S-Trains Message: 58791 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58792 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58793 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: 971 lumber car variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58794 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Group: S-Trains Message: 58795 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - TROUBLESHOOTING
Group: S-Trains Message: 58796 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube vid
Group: S-Trains Message: 58797 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Spyware
Group: S-Trains Message: 58798 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Group: S-Trains Message: 58799 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Fwd: Just a simple RR Crossing in ND
Group: S-Trains Message: 58800 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58801 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58802 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58803 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58804 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58805 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58806 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58807 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Virus
Group: S-Trains Message: 58808 From: Richard Falzini Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware
Group: S-Trains Message: 58809 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Spyware update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58810 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58811 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58812 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58813 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58814 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Handrails
Group: S-Trains Message: 58815 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - TROUBLESHOOTING
Group: S-Trains Message: 58816 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58817 From: Richard Falzini Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58818 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58819 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware
Group: S-Trains Message: 58820 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58821 From: Steven Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58822 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58823 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58824 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58825 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58826 From: sgaugian Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58827 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58828 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58829 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58830 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58831 From: albert paolozzi Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58832 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Trojan update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58833 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - TROUBLESHOOTING
Group: S-Trains Message: 58834 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Group: S-Trains Message: 58835 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: 755 Talking Station - Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 58836 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Get the Trains to the Grandkids (Was: My AF 310 loco is up and runni
Group: S-Trains Message: 58837 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 755 Talking Station - Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 58838 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58839 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58840 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58841 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58842 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58843 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Group: S-Trains Message: 58844 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 58845 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58846 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58847 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58848 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58849 From: Bruce Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58850 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Lionel parts dealer (have motors you need)
Group: S-Trains Message: 58851 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58852 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58853 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Group: S-Trains Message: 58854 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: 755 Talking Station - Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 58855 From: Dave Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: AF - HO Decals Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58856 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58857 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58858 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58859 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58860 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58861 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58862 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Group: S-Trains Message: 58863 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58864 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58865 From: John Sage Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: The result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58866 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer (have motors you need)
Group: S-Trains Message: 58867 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58868 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58869 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58870 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58871 From: Matthew Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58872 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58873 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58874 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58875 From: Herbert Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58876 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58877 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58878 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58879 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: 24549 Floodlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 58880 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58881 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58882 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58883 From: John Metzger Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF - HO Decals Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 58884 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: computer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58885 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: 24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511
Group: S-Trains Message: 58886 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Talking Station Resolved
Group: S-Trains Message: 58887 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Rance V.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58888 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58889 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58890 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Fw: backstop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58891 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58892 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: 24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511
Group: S-Trains Message: 58893 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58894 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: computer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58895 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Resolved
Group: S-Trains Message: 58896 From: George Cohn Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Group: S-Trains Message: 58897 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58898 From: navmedguy Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58899 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58900 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58901 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58902 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58903 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58904 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58905 From: sgaugian Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58906 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58907 From: Theodore Weiler Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58908 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58909 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: PRR Freaks-This Budd's For You...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58910 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Fw: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Docksider
Group: S-Trains Message: 58911 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58912 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: For Sale GG1 which is a bit of S gauge history.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58913 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58914 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: TMCC for conventional locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58915 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Photos of my models
Group: S-Trains Message: 58916 From: jaay_st Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Repairing truck attachment?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58917 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Group: S-Trains Message: 58918 From: sgaugian Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58919 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58920 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58921 From: canambob91710k Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: 1 down, 3 to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 58922 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver - "American S Gauge"
Group: S-Trains Message: 58924 From: AlR Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Linkage needed for AF 334DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 58925 From: michael prell Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58926 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58927 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
Group: S-Trains Message: 58928 From: michael prell Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 58929 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58930 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 58931 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver - "American S Gauge"
Group: S-Trains Message: 58932 From: rj4010d Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 58933 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58934 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
Group: S-Trains Message: 58935 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58936 From: Steven Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58937 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 58938 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 58939 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58941 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58942 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
Group: S-Trains Message: 58943 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Linkage needed for AF 334DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 58944 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Gear reduction project.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58945 From: Jim Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58946 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 58947 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 58948 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver - "American S Gauge"
Group: S-Trains Message: 58949 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58950 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: {S-Scale List} PRR Freaks-This Budd's For You...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58951 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
Group: S-Trains Message: 58952 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58953 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58954 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58955 From: michael prell Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 58956 From: Edward Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58957 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58958 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58959 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58960 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58961 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58962 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58963 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58964 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 58965 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58966 From: clayton deich Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Going over some old letters...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58967 From: navmedguy Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: TMCC Loop de Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 58968 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 58969 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Going over some old letters...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58970 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58971 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58972 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58973 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 58974 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58975 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58976 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58977 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Mike you are okay
Group: S-Trains Message: 58978 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Mike you are okay
Group: S-Trains Message: 58979 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58980 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58981 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Talking Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 58982 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: 24 inches of white stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 58983 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Cow on track video posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 58984 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58985 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on track video posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 58986 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58987 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Talking Station Video - New Link
Group: S-Trains Message: 58988 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Reply Format &c
Group: S-Trains Message: 58989 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 58990 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Messages Delivery
Group: S-Trains Message: 58991 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58992 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58993 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Messages Delivery
Group: S-Trains Message: 58994 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Opinions etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58995 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 58996 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 58997 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reply Format &c
Group: S-Trains Message: 58998 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 58999 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Messages Delivery
Group: S-Trains Message: 59000 From: michael prell Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Here's a thought!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59001 From: David Dewey Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Net Ettiquet & MS default choices.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59002 From: clayton deich Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59003 From: Scale S Only Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59004 From: Nick Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Messages Delivery
Group: S-Trains Message: 59005 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Net Ettiquet & MS default choices.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59006 From: Dave Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: #24331 KARO SYRUP
Group: S-Trains Message: 59007 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59008 From: George Cohn Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59009 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59010 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59011 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 59012 From: David Dewey Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59013 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59014 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59015 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Replying to Messages or Tom is Corrrect
Group: S-Trains Message: 59016 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59017 From: sgaugian Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59018 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59019 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59020 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59021 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59022 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59023 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59024 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 59025 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59026 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59027 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59028 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59029 From: sgaugian Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: A couple of Big Boy measures taken
Group: S-Trains Message: 59030 From: sgaugian Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: A couple of Big Boy measures taken
Group: S-Trains Message: 59031 From: Scale S Only Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59032 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59033 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59034 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Replying to Messages or Tom is Corrrect
Group: S-Trains Message: 59035 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: PRR Budd Cars Price Change
Group: S-Trains Message: 59036 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Kansas City area train show Feb. 21, 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 59037 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Passenger Station Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59038 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger Station Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59039 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger Station Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59040 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: An interesting toy train layout photo from 1925 in High resolution.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59041 From: michael prell Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger Station Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59042 From: Steven Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Back drops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59043 From: michael prell Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59044 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59045 From: John Metzger Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: An interesting toy train layout photo from 1925 in High resoluti
Group: S-Trains Message: 59046 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Passenger Station Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59047 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59048 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59049 From: Gary Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59050 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: For Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59051 From: navmedguy Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: The Great Switch Machine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59052 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Contact
Group: S-Trains Message: 59053 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59054 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59055 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59056 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59057 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59058 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Double length #571 style pony truss bridge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59059 From: Rhett George Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: An interesting toy train layout photo from 1925
Group: S-Trains Message: 59060 From: grant Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Success! and failure...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59061 From: biew19 Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: sliver bullet voltage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59062 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59063 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59064 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Zippy again!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59065 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59066 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59067 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59068 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59069 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59070 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 59071 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 59072 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59073 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59074 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Charlie, email
Group: S-Trains Message: 59075 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 59076 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59077 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine - for Custom Trax turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59078 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Zippy on the train today
Group: S-Trains Message: 59079 From: ctbigboy Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Backdrops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59080 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59081 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59082 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59083 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Ebay and Snow.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59084 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59085 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59086 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Civil War Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59087 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59088 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Auto Slot Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 59089 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59090 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59091 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59092 From: biew19 Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59093 From: clayton deich Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59094 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 59095 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59096 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: #336 Loco value
Group: S-Trains Message: 59097 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Civil War Engine and train pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 59098 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Civil War Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59099 From: ron plyler Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Group: S-Trains Message: 59100 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine and train pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 59101 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59102 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59103 From: rick gough Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Group: S-Trains Message: 59104 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine and train pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 59105 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Group: S-Trains Message: 59106 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Sibley's layout re-created
Group: S-Trains Message: 59107 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: 494/495 engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 59108 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59109 From: George Cohn Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Group: S-Trains Message: 59110 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Reid Ki
Group: S-Trains Message: 59113 From: David Dewey Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Civil War engine & Longwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 59114 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59115 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Rei
Group: S-Trains Message: 59116 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Rei
Group: S-Trains Message: 59117 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59118 From: Ben Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Big Boy repaired!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59119 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Group: S-Trains Message: 59120 From: Ben Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville...circus set???
Group: S-Trains Message: 59121 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Group: S-Trains Message: 59122 From: Jerry Hiett Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Leaches 6-minute epoxy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59123 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59124 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Rei
Group: S-Trains Message: 59125 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville...circus set???
Group: S-Trains Message: 59126 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59127 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Group: S-Trains Message: 59128 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Group: S-Trains Message: 59129 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Group: S-Trains Message: 59130 From: gacesatg Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Group: S-Trains Message: 59131 From: Lennis Hall Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Group: S-Trains Message: 59132 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59133 From: sgaugian Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Big Boy Railsounds - - tower and cab phrases
Group: S-Trains Message: 59134 From: SMMW Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: FM10-44 update & balance due
Group: S-Trains Message: 59135 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59136 From: momhondo Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Caig Cailube
Group: S-Trains Message: 59137 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59138 From: navmedguy Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: TMCC and reverse units question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59139 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC and reverse units question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59140 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59141 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Caig Cailube
Group: S-Trains Message: 59142 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59143 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59144 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Concrete Blocks...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59145 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Please Change The Subject in The Subject Line
Group: S-Trains Message: 59146 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59147 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59148 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59149 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59150 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: More Layout Videos Posted on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 59151 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59152 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Other interest
Group: S-Trains Message: 59153 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59154 From: Bruce Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59155 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59156 From: Ed Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59157 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59158 From: gacesatg Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59159 From: whtrainman Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59160 From: race944t Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: C&O Historical Society Train Show this weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 59161 From: Gary Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: 326 tracking issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59162 From: jaay_st Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: reverse operation question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59163 From: michael prell Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: More Layout Videos Posted on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 59164 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59165 From: mike rosz Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Historical societies
Group: S-Trains Message: 59166 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse operation question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59167 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse operation question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59168 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: reverse operation question followup
Group: S-Trains Message: 59169 From: george leidinger Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse operation question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59170 From: CharlesB Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: AF DC Steam. Loco, Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 59171 From: Larry Asp Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59172 From: Paul Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59173 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Just be patient
Group: S-Trains Message: 59174 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Group: S-Trains Message: 59175 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59176 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59177 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59178 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Historical societies
Group: S-Trains Message: 59179 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59180 From: John Degnan Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Trainstuff (Pre-SHS) S Scale Fox Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59181 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Just be patient
Group: S-Trains Message: 59182 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59183 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59184 From: paflyrman Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains Message: 59185 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains Message: 59186 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59187 From: race944t Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Historical societies
Group: S-Trains Message: 59188 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59189 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59190 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59191 From: gacesatg Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59192 From: DarylO Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59193 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59194 From: Gary Chidester Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Track Trade anyone?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59195 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59196 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59197 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: SMALL MOTOR Vs LARGE MOTOR
Group: S-Trains Message: 59198 From: Rance and Bente Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59199 From: Gary Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59200 From: grdobbs Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: 326 tracking issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59201 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59202 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59203 From: Gary Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59204 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59205 From: Red Ned Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59206 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: New Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59207 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59208 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Group: S-Trains Message: 59209 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59210 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59211 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59212 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59213 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59214 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59215 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59216 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59217 From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59218 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59219 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59220 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 59221 From: clayton deich Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains Message: 59222 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59223 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Historical societies
Group: S-Trains Message: 59224 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains Message: 59225 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: good ol' 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59226 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Repro Rare Rolling Stock
Group: S-Trains Message: 59227 From: navmedguy Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Universal Cruise Commander?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59228 From: Bruce Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59229 From: Bruce Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59230 From: MikeS Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................
Group: S-Trains Message: 59231 From: DonR Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59232 From: Rance and Bente Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59233 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59234 From: clayton deich Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: good ol' 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59235 From: gettysburg9 Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: AF 762 Wiring Diagram needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 59236 From: George Cohn Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59237 From: Ben Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Big Boy hesitation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59238 From: michael prell Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: good ol' 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59239 From: Dave Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: G. Fox Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 59240 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: good ol' 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59241 From: Monte Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59242 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Layout design programs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59243 From: Ben Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59244 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: No comment...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59245 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy hesitation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59246 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: engine repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 59247 From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59248 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Layout design programs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59249 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59250 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy hesitation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59251 From: mike rosz Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................
Group: S-Trains Message: 59252 From: Rhett George Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59253 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Layout design programs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59254 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59255 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Universal Cruise Commander?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59256 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59257 From: MikeS Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................
Group: S-Trains Message: 59258 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59259 From: Alex Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59260 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59261 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59262 From: Ben Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy hesitation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59263 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: vehicles in S
Group: S-Trains Message: 59264 From: richs009 Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59265 From: Rance and Bente Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59266 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Train Inventory Sheet
Group: S-Trains Message: 59267 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59268 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Train Inventory Sheet
Group: S-Trains Message: 59269 From: biew19 Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: sliver bullet voltage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59270 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59271 From: Gary Chidester Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59272 From: sgaugian Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59273 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Train Inventory Sheet
Group: S-Trains Message: 59274 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains Message: 59275 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Links for ebay items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59276 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: National Canal Museum
Group: S-Trains Message: 59277 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Inventory Sheet
Group: S-Trains Message: 59278 From: Gary Chidester Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Clearances and grades?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59279 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59280 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 59281 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Inventory Sheet
Group: S-Trains Message: 59282 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Inventory Sheet
Group: S-Trains Message: 59283 From: sgaugian Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 59284 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: REX 2-4-0 loco newly listed on e-bay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59285 From: sgaugian Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59286 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: I've smoked for years!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59287 From: sgaugian Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: REX 2-4-0 loco newly listed on e-bay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59288 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59289 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59290 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: I've smoked for years!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59291 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Train Show in Saline Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 59292 From: Gary Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: American flyer-switching to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59293 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: crate
Group: S-Trains Message: 59294 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: American flyer-switching to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59295 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59296 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59297 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: crate
Group: S-Trains Message: 59298 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59299 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: crate
Group: S-Trains Message: 59300 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59301 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: crate
Group: S-Trains Message: 59302 From: rj4010d Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: American flyer-switching to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59303 From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59304 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Group: S-Trains Message: 59305 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59306 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: DC operation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59307 From: rj4010d Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Train Tracker 5.5
Group: S-Trains Message: 59308 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59309 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59310 From: rick gough Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59311 From: clayton deich Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: DC operation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59312 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: American Flyer Sawmill Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59313 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Lionel Barrel Loader Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59314 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Guilford Station Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59315 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Dance Time at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59316 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59317 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Near Tragedy at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59318 From: Dennis Back Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford Station Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59319 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford Station Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59320 From: pkrae Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Near Tragedy at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59321 From: bkweidner Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore????
Group: S-Trains Message: 59322 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59323 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Guilford
Group: S-Trains Message: 59324 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Train Tracker 5.5
Group: S-Trains Message: 59325 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford Station Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59326 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford
Group: S-Trains Message: 59327 From: Jim Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59328 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Dance Time at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59329 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Dance Time at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59330 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: 735 Passenger Car Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59331 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59332 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Flatheads Garage
Group: S-Trains Message: 59333 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59334 From: gettysburg9 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: GP-7 shorting problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 59335 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore????
Group: S-Trains Message: 59336 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: GP-7 shorting problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 59337 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59338 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59339 From: omahakid2003 Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Frisco E8's and Texas Special Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 59340 From: John Metzger Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: Frisco E8's and Texas Special Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 59341 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: S Scale Sunset Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59342 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59343 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: S Scale Sunset Big Boy II
Group: S-Trains Message: 59344 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: My fun day at Kansas City train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 59345 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59346 From: donald abrams Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: GP-7 shorting problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 59347 From: Gale Hall Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Frisco
Group: S-Trains Message: 59348 From: George Cohn Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: GP-7 shorting problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 59349 From: The Laniers Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: GP-7 shorting problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 59350 From: Gary Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: American flyer-switching to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59351 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Acela
Group: S-Trains Message: 59352 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale Sunset Big Boy II
Group: S-Trains Message: 59353 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
Group: S-Trains Message: 59354 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore????
Group: S-Trains Message: 59355 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: acela
Group: S-Trains Message: 59356 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59357 From: sgaugian Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale Sunset Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59358 From: Larry Moore Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Asheville,NC Train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 59359 From: john Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: NOMA and American Flyer sound chips/modules
Group: S-Trains Message: 59360 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
Group: S-Trains Message: 59361 From: Mike Vana Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Frisco
Group: S-Trains Message: 59362 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Train Tracker 5.5
Group: S-Trains Message: 59363 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59364 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59365 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
Group: S-Trains Message: 59366 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: amtrak
Group: S-Trains Message: 59367 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Amtrak
Group: S-Trains Message: 59368 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
Group: S-Trains Message: 59369 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Amtrak commerical with model train
Group: S-Trains Message: 59370 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Bud Ad with Model Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 59371 From: paflyrman Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: A Legit Variation Or..
Group: S-Trains Message: 59372 From: Gale Hall Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Frisco
Group: S-Trains Message: 59373 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 59374 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: A Legit Variation Or..
Group: S-Trains Message: 59375 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Another example of the Slot & Screw Base
Group: S-Trains Message: 59376 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Group: S-Trains Message: 59377 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
Group: S-Trains Message: 59378 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Group: S-Trains Message: 59379 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Easley train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 59380 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Group: S-Trains Message: 59381 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Group: S-Trains Message: 59382 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
Group: S-Trains Message: 59383 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Group: S-Trains Message: 59384 From: The Laniers Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
Group: S-Trains Message: 59385 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
Group: S-Trains Message: 59386 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Slot & Screw Car Frames
Group: S-Trains Message: 59387 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Another Box Car Varation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59388 From: Ben Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: BB update
Group: S-Trains Message: 59389 From: richs009 Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59390 From: lember2004 Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Any later Greenberg Guides to AF S Gauge refernce books [not price g
Group: S-Trains Message: 59391 From: George Cohn Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59392 From: Train Nut Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: WANTED: Maine Central Cabooses w/ pine tree logo and SW9 diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 59393 From: Jerry Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59394 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59395 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59396 From: alguckes2001 Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Magazines
Group: S-Trains Message: 59397 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59398 From: john Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: AF 755 Talking Station sound file - " Eastbound"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59399 From: Dave Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: A&P Food Stores Reefer Decal Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 59400 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Sykesville store closing up shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 59401 From: aftrains4u Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: My Website for AF Trains for the Operator
Group: S-Trains Message: 59402 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59403 From: Thomas Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59404 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 59405 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Yellowed PLastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 59406 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: My Website www.americanflyertrains4u.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 59407 From: Jim Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: WANTED: A/F By Lionel Boxcar w/damage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59408 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Pennsy Freak Sale...Addendum
Group: S-Trains Message: 59409 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Pennsy Freak Sale...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59410 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 59411 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: BOX CAR WITH ISSUES
Group: S-Trains Message: 59412 From: MikeS Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: York, Toy Train Paper & Memorabilia Group, Wednesday, April 21, 6 to
Group: S-Trains Message: 59413 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: York Registration
Group: S-Trains Message: 59414 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 59415 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: WANTED: A/F By Lionel Boxcar w/damage?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59416 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59417 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59418 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59419 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59420 From: garydmccullah Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Gilbert HO and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 59421 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59422 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Photo: AF 302 Mounted On Mailbox
Group: S-Trains Message: 59423 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: BOX CAR WITH ISSUES
Group: S-Trains Message: 59424 From: Bob Groh Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59425 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59426 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59427 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 59428 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59429 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59430 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59431 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 59432 From: Dave Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59433 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59434 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Apples done
Group: S-Trains Message: 59435 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Apples done
Group: S-Trains Message: 59436 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59437 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59438 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Apples
Group: S-Trains Message: 59439 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59440 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59441 From: David Dewey Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: AF Semaphores & Mailbox locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59442 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: 1910 RR station
Group: S-Trains Message: 59443 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59444 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Conversion of AF equipment to scale / can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59445 From: ron_tallyho Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59446 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59447 From: George Cohn Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59448 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...Addendum
Group: S-Trains Message: 59449 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59450 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59451 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Conversion of AF equipment to scale/can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 59452 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59453 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59454 From: Lew Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59455 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59456 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59457 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59458 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59459 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59460 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Apple Crates
Group: S-Trains Message: 59461 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59462 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59463 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida VIDEO (Much rail content)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59464 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59465 From: Bob Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Winter, 2010 Issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 59466 From: Bruce Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59467 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida video
Group: S-Trains Message: 59468 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: power pack
Group: S-Trains Message: 59469 From: richs009 Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF 755 Talking Station sound file - " Eastbound"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59470 From: Dave Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Old Motor Truck Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 59471 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Why S is the Perfect Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 59472 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: GG-1 Sale...Addendum 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 59473 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59474 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59475 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida video
Group: S-Trains Message: 59476 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida video
Group: S-Trains Message: 59477 From: preardon4girls Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: S-Helper Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59478 From: Bruce Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59479 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: I need help finding walking tread with a see thru rectangle shape
Group: S-Trains Message: 59480 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59481 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Helper smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59482 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59483 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59484 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59485 From: george leidinger Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59486 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59487 From: Bruce Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59488 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: AF Sawmill
Group: S-Trains Message: 59489 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: 293 sound unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 59490 From: Steven Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: S Scale people??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59491 From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: AFP Products
Group: S-Trains Message: 59492 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59493 From: The Reardon's Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59494 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AFP Products
Group: S-Trains Message: 59495 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59496 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59497 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: ASHVILLE TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains Message: 59498 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59499 From: afjerryk5 Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: S scale people
Group: S-Trains Message: 59500 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Group: S-Trains Message: 59501 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59502 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AFP Products
Group: S-Trains Message: 59503 From: michael prell Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59504 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AFP Products
Group: S-Trains Message: 59505 From: pkrae Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Group: S-Trains Message: 59506 From: michael prell Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains Message: 59507 From: Bruce Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Group: S-Trains Message: 59508 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59509 From: linkuphost Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59510 From: race944t Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: ASHVILLE TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains Message: 59511 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Group: S-Trains Message: 59512 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains Message: 59513 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: 293 sound unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 59514 From: race944t Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains Message: 59515 From: David Dewey Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Steve's 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59516 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59517 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59518 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Group: S-Trains Message: 59519 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Steve's 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59520 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Popular Science scans all issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 59521 From: Lew Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59522 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Steve's 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59523 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59524 From: Lew Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59525 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: 293 sound unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 59526 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59527 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59528 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59529 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59530 From: Bruce Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59531 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59532 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Steve's 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59533 From: UNLV666@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59534 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59535 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59536 From: Gary Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Running AF car unloader accesorries
Group: S-Trains Message: 59537 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59538 From: Dave Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Off List Contact
Group: S-Trains Message: 59539 From: zdzislaw Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59540 From: Lew Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59541 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59542 From: gettysburg9 Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Cow on Track Parts Needed:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59543 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59544 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59545 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Parts Needed:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59546 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59547 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59548 From: Bruce Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59549 From: lbrenterprisesllc Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: RHEINGOLD BEER Reefer Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 59550 From: Gary Chidester Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: American Flyer Remote Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 59551 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59552 From: mike Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: mikado smoke unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 59553 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59554 From: Lew Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59555 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59556 From: Lew Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59557 From: zdzislaw wieckowski Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59558 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Cow on Track Parts Needed:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59559 From: Rance and Bente Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59560 From: rj4010d Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Mikado Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 59561 From: Dave Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: RHEINGOLD BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59562 From: David Dewey Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: More 293 questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59563 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Mikado smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 59564 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: More 293 questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59565 From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59566 From: paflyrman Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Pennslyvania Railroad Museum Auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 59567 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59568 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: AF Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59569 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: laser cut
Group: S-Trains Message: 59570 From: donald abrams Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59571 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: AF Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59572 From: Gary Chidester Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: I have uploaded videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59573 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Why didn't I think of that?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59574 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59575 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59576 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59577 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: I have uploaded videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59578 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59579 From: Scaler164 Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Trainstuff (Pre-SHS) S Scale Fox Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59580 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Talk About Price on AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 59581 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59582 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59583 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59584 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: 293 LOOK AT THIS AS FAR AS RARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 59585 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59586 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59587 From: zdzislaw wieckowski Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59588 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59589 From: Gary Chidester Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: I have uploaded videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59590 From: Scott Davidson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Rating Trains....
Group: S-Trains Message: 59591 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59592 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59593 From: Bruce Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59594 From: Scott Davidson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Why didn't I think of that?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59595 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59596 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....
Group: S-Trains Message: 59597 From: Bill Drake Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59598 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: I have uploaded videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59599 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....
Group: S-Trains Message: 59600 From: navmedguy Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Aftermarket Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59601 From: Dave Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Civil War Box Car Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 59602 From: A E Johnson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Congrats
Group: S-Trains Message: 59603 From: The Laniers Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59604 From: michael prell Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Why didn't I think of that?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59605 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Why didn't I think of that?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59606 From: richs009 Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59607 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59608 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 59609 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Painted 971 Mo & Joe operating flatcar for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59610 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59611 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Chat Room Software Update Will Require you to re-register
Group: S-Trains Message: 59612 From: clayton deich Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59613 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59614 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Aftermarket smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 59615 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 59616 From: Ben Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: AF circus wagons
Group: S-Trains Message: 59617 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59618 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59619 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: AF Panels.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59620 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59621 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59622 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59623 From: rick gough Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59624 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59625 From: pkrae Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59626 From: Bruce Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59627 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59628 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 59629 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59630 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: "American Flyer"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59631 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: SNS Trains Kill Bossie!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59632 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59633 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59634 From: Glenn Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: 1938 Newsreel - New York Central Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 59635 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Sunday Chat - If You have not re-registered or picked your new Avata
Group: S-Trains Message: 59636 From: smokestacklightnin Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59637 From: pkrae Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59638 From: George Cohn Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59639 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59640 From: rick gough Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - [S-Trains] Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59641 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 1938 Newsreel - New York Central Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 59642 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59643 From: rick gough Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59644 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: "American Flyer"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59645 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: AF circus wagons
Group: S-Trains Message: 59646 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59647 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59648 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: "American Flyer"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59649 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: "American Flyer"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59650 From: valiantmike72 Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59651 From: afjerryk5 Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: "American Flyer"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59652 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59653 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59654 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59655 From: Dave Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: OLD MOTOR TRUCKS
Group: S-Trains Message: 59656 From: Bob Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Winter Issue Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 59657 From: mike Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Mikado smoke unit is finally fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 59658 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF circus wagons
Group: S-Trains Message: 59659 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59660 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59661 From: aztecfan Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: my flashers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59662 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: MTH (sic.) AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59663 From: grdobbs Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Highway Flasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 59664 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF circus wagons
Group: S-Trains Message: 59665 From: smuel10363@aol.com Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59666 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59667 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: Highway Flasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 59668 From: Gary Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: AF Mail car on DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59669 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59670 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59671 From: Dave Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Old Motor Truck Decal Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 59672 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59673 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59674 From: donald abrams Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59675 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: AF mail car on DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59676 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF mail car on DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59677 From: Ben Perry Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59678 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59679 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59680 From: pkrae Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: MTH (sic.) AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59681 From: richs009 Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF mail car on DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59682 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59683 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm - new software
Group: S-Trains Message: 59684 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: Mikado smoke unit is finally fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 59685 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Decals for sale - Family Lines System - from G and W Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 59686 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: S Scale CAD support
Group: S-Trains Message: 59687 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF Mail car on DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59688 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 59689 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: 718 Mail Car DC Operation
Group: S-Trains Message: 59690 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59691 From: mike jones Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: Mikado smoke unit is finally fixed
Group: S-Trains Message: 59692 From: fahrwud Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: S-trains chat registration?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59693 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59694 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 59695 From: aztecfan Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge. The real ones will have a motor
Group: S-Trains Message: 59696 From: aztecfan Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 59697 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: MTH "scale"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59698 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59699 From: Alan Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: FLionel UP NORTHERN # 800.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59700 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: MTH "scale"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59701 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: S-Trains Chat registration
Group: S-Trains Message: 59702 From: richs009 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: FLionel UP NORTHERN # 800.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59703 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge. The real ones will have a m
Group: S-Trains Message: 59704 From: Steven Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59705 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 59706 From: George Cohn Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge. The real ones will have a m
Group: S-Trains Message: 59707 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Group: S-Trains Message: 59708 From: Dennis Back Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59709 From: Al Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: S Fest - Chicago?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59710 From: George Cohn Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59711 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: A 300AC Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59712 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Has Lionel Moved
Group: S-Trains Message: 59713 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59714 From: Lennis Hall Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59715 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Fw: layout latest
Group: S-Trains Message: 59716 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59717 From: Red Ned Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59718 From: sgaugian Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: AF Mail car on DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59719 From: zemouse2001 Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59720 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59721 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A look back from my brother in law
Group: S-Trains Message: 59722 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: AF For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59723 From: AlR Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: S Scale/S Gauge Items for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59724 From: Bill Drake Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59725 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Fun In The New Chat Room
Group: S-Trains Message: 59726 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: AF Mail car on DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59727 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59728 From: Dave Bellian Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59729 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59730 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59731 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fun In The New Chat Room
Group: S-Trains Message: 59732 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 59733 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: People Added
Group: S-Trains Message: 59734 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59735 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 59736 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Train Show in Toledo
Group: S-Trains Message: 59737 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: People Added
Group: S-Trains Message: 59738 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: People Added
Group: S-Trains Message: 59739 From: daysend40 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: S Helper Cattle Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 59740 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: People Added
Group: S-Trains Message: 59741 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59742 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Advice on Knuckle Couplers/Doug Peck
Group: S-Trains Message: 59743 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Fw: More People
Group: S-Trains Message: 59744 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Picnic Tables
Group: S-Trains Message: 59745 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Fw: Toxic waste plagues Maryland town
Group: S-Trains Message: 59746 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
Group: S-Trains Message: 59747 From: aztecfan Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: I am building a data base to promote S trains to 1/64 car clubs.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59748 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
Group: S-Trains Message: 59749 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: More People
Group: S-Trains Message: 59750 From: rep928 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: S Fest - Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 59751 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: More People
Group: S-Trains Message: 59752 From: Al Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 59753 From: aztecfan Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: We have a long way to go, Look at this detail
Group: S-Trains Message: 59754 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Pre 3/16
Group: S-Trains Message: 59755 From: lou342ac Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
Group: S-Trains Message: 59756 From: jaay_st Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Kudos to LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 59757 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
Group: S-Trains Message: 59758 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: Pre 3/16
Group: S-Trains Message: 59759 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59760 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Kudos to LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 59761 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: New Layout Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59762 From: Dave Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: #736 Opertaing Mech.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59763 From: michael robinson Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: american flyer in australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59764 From: George Cohn Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59765 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: 300AC/DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59766 From: Edward Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59767 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
Group: S-Trains Message: 59768 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 300AC/DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59769 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59770 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer in australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59771 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59772 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 2010 Spring Spree, S-Fest West and S-Fest East
Group: S-Trains Message: 59773 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 300AC/DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59774 From: Jim Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Diesel yoke keepers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59775 From: George Cohn Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59776 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59777 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59778 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59779 From: Coopers Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59780 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59781 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel yoke keepers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59782 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Updated Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 59783 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel yoke keepers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59784 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59785 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59786 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer in australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59787 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 300AC/DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 59788 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59789 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59790 From: tbennerohio Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Rebushing a 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 59791 From: lember2004 Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59792 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel yoke keepers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59793 From: Jerry Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 59794 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59795 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59796 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 59797 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 59798 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Updated Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 59799 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59800 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59801 From: alanlambert2006 Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Paul York's website
Group: S-Trains Message: 59802 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 59803 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Updated Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 59804 From: Jerry Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: 3/16 day - What I Did
Group: S-Trains Message: 59805 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 59806 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Updated Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 59807 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 59808 From: michael robinson Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: flyer in australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59809 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Flyer in Australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59810 From: michael robinson Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59811 From: Bob C Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Layouts Wanted For Southern Calif. Tour - June 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 59812 From: Alistair Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer in australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59813 From: Jerry Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59814 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: flyer in australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59815 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Fw: Fire Tower menaced by giant cat
Group: S-Trains Message: 59816 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Spree car plug - part two
Group: S-Trains Message: 59817 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59818 From: linkuphost Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: My American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 59819 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59820 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59821 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Jo-Ann
Group: S-Trains Message: 59822 From: Jerry Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: 2010 Spree Dearborn, MI - car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 59823 From: navmedguy Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59824 From: jim_marski Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: AF LTI Coors cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 59825 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59826 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59827 From: william yavelak Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59828 From: navmedguy Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59829 From: carl4flyer Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59830 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: TMCC shorting
Group: S-Trains Message: 59831 From: sgaugian Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC shorting
Group: S-Trains Message: 59832 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Lot"S" more "S" for "S"ale on a make-offer basis
Group: S-Trains Message: 59833 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: For Sale: 720A Switches in original box
Group: S-Trains Message: 59834 From: aztecfan Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: For you old Dime Store guys who hung around in the summer when there
Group: S-Trains Message: 59835 From: fahrwud Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59836 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: MICHIGAN Spring Spree & Spree Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 59837 From: navmedguy Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59838 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59839 From: richs009 Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59840 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59841 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59842 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59843 From: Donald Abrams Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59844 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: MICHIGAN Spring Spree & Spree Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 59845 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59846 From: fahrwud Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59847 From: Chuck Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: MICHIGAN Spring Spree & Spree Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 59848 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59849 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59850 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: AM tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59851 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59852 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59853 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59854 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF Trains in a Western movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 59855 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF Trains in a Western movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 59856 From: william yavelak Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59857 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Orange Blossom Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 59858 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Turnout Covers - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59859 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59860 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Turnout Cover - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59861 From: Alex Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: new vender
Group: S-Trains Message: 59862 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Bob Connor
Group: S-Trains Message: 59863 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Questions: Lionel and Marklin?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59864 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 59865 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF trains in western movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 59866 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Turnout Cover - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59867 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Spring Spree room share
Group: S-Trains Message: 59868 From: Jerry Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Turnout Covers - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 59869 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 59870 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF trains in western movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 59871 From: Jerry Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59872 From: Russ Dondero Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59873 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 59874 From: Jerry Hiett Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 59875 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59876 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 59877 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 59878 From: fahrwud Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Questions: Lionel and Marklin?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59879 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59880 From: Dave Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Sam Adams & Blue Moon Decal Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 59881 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59882 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59883 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Spring Spree Grand Trunk Gondola
Group: S-Trains Message: 59884 From: aztecfan Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Moving products across America
Group: S-Trains Message: 59885 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: 302 AC Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59886 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: Lot"S" more "S" for "S"ale on a make-offer basis
Group: S-Trains Message: 59887 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: For you old Dime Store guys who hung around in the summ er when
Group: S-Trains Message: 59888 From: mikenguy9 Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: wobley wheel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59889 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: wobley wheel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59890 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: 302 AC Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59891 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: wobley wheel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59892 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: wobley wheel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59893 From: Rhett George Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: 302 AC Question - no reverse
Group: S-Trains Message: 59894 From: Rhett George Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: wobley wheel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59895 From: jcolonbc Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: AF # 22090 Transformer switches on-off-on
Group: S-Trains Message: 59896 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: 302Wireing Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59897 From: Russ Dondero Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59898 From: sgaugian Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 59899 From: preardon4girls Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: S-Helper 2-8-0 lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 59900 From: Coopers Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: Re: AF # 22090 Transformer switches on-off-on
Group: S-Trains Message: 59901 From: navmedguy Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59902 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: cleaning a Kloppers Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 59903 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59904 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59905 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59906 From: sgaugian Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: New Lionel catalogs online
Group: S-Trains Message: 59907 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59908 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: AF Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59909 From: william yavelak Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59910 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Fw: Latest
Group: S-Trains Message: 59911 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59912 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: National Train Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 59913 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Springfield Ohio Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 59914 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59915 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59916 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59917 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59918 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59919 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59920 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59921 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59922 From: fahrwud Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: There-ain't-a-prototype-for-that dept.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59923 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59924 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59925 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59926 From: AlR Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: American Flyer trains with play wear for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59927 From: Bruce Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59928 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59929 From: Bruce Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 59930 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59931 From: John Degnan Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59932 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59933 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59934 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Prototypically dirty freight cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59935 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Prototypically dirty freight cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59936 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59937 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59938 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: lionel catalogues on line
Group: S-Trains Message: 59939 From: EdSauers Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Need Rex Scale 48" drivers for Dockside
Group: S-Trains Message: 59940 From: Wayne Daren Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59941 From: clayton deich Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59942 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Info needed regarding brass loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 59943 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59944 From: sgaugian Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Field orientation - does it matter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59945 From: sgaugian Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Re: Info needed regarding brass loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 59946 From: aztecfan Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Circus set
Group: S-Trains Message: 59947 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: 1905 film from a trolley
Group: S-Trains Message: 59948 From: Dave Bellian Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Troop cars for Sale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59949 From: Scott Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59950 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59951 From: Rhett George Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Field orientation - does it matter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59952 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: VERIZON Service Level (Wardie-Jay TinPlate Tie related)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59953 From: william cole Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59954 From: Scott Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59955 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59956 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59957 From: Miller, Scott Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59958 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59959 From: Lance McCold Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59960 From: sgaugian Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59961 From: sgaugian Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59962 From: The Reardon's Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59963 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 59964 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59965 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: A.F. Diesel Repair?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59966 From: sgaugian Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59967 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 59968 From: preardon4girls Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switchs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59969 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: A.F. Diesel Repair?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59970 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59971 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: A.F. Diesel Repair?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59973 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switchs
Group: S-Trains Message: 59974 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 59975 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 59976 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59977 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/4/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59978 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 59979 From: Doug and Cathy Mowatt Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59980 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59981 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Diesel repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 59982 From: Bruce Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59983 From: darryl Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
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Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 59985 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 59986 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/4/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59987 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 59988 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: 586 Wayside Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 59989 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Milw Rd
Group: S-Trains Message: 59990 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59991 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59992 From: Ben Serzo Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59993 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59994 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59995 From: Doug and Cathy Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59996 From: Doug and Cathy Mowatt Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59997 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59998 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 59999 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 60000 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60001 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60002 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60003 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 60004 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60005 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 60006 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60007 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60008 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60009 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60010 From: Mike Vana Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 60011 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60012 From: Scott Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Adding Pullmor
Group: S-Trains Message: 60013 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Lookout Junction III - S Gauge Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60014 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60015 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Group: S-Trains Message: 60016 From: Miller, Scott Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Group: S-Trains Message: 60017 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Group: S-Trains Message: 60018 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: CP Dual Flag Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 60019 From: rick gough Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Group: S-Trains Message: 60020 From: fahrwud Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction III - S Gauge Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60021 From: fahrwud Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 60022 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 60023 From: Larry Moore Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60024 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Group: S-Trains Message: 60025 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60026 From: grdobbs Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Group: S-Trains Message: 60027 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Lookout Junction
Group: S-Trains Message: 60028 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 60029 From: Todd Thornberry Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: HO & N scale Ghost Sign Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 60030 From: Alan Udy Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Lookout Junction III video
Group: S-Trains Message: 60031 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 60032 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 60033 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
Group: S-Trains Message: 60034 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
Group: S-Trains Message: 60035 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60036 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 60037 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
Group: S-Trains Message: 60038 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Spring Sale of painted, display or operating samples
Group: S-Trains Message: 60039 From: navmedguy Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: K-4 Streamilined 4-6-2 problems...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60040 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Former AC Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains Message: 60041 From: omahakid2003 Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Weights for scale freight cars / 24003 Box car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60042 From: lynnshouse2000 Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60043 From: Dave Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: CORPS OF ENGINEERS Decal Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 60044 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction III
Group: S-Trains Message: 60045 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
Group: S-Trains Message: 60046 From: charlie and edith Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Flyer Steam Field Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60047 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: SP Daylight PA-PA and Combo, Observation Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60048 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60049 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60050 From: michael robinson Date: 4/8/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 60051 From: Bruce Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains Message: 60052 From: clayton deich Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains Message: 60053 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60054 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Weights for scale freight cars / 24003 Box car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60055 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60056 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60057 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60058 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Steam Field Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60059 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60060 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60061 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains Message: 60062 From: Gary Chidester Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Promontory Point
Group: S-Trains Message: 60063 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: 0-8-0s for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60064 From: lynnshouse2000 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Wiring Question - Reprise
Group: S-Trains Message: 60065 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former Gilbert employees
Group: S-Trains Message: 60066 From: pab11147 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Joe's Train Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 60067 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: 1/65 aircraft models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60068 From: Scale S Only Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Promontory Point
Group: S-Trains Message: 60069 From: EdSauers Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT *** B&O I1 Wood Copula Caboose Announcement
Group: S-Trains Message: 60070 From: George Cohn Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains Message: 60071 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Joe's Train Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 60072 From: fahrwud Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction - Youtube
Group: S-Trains Message: 60073 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: 0-8-0s for sale (revised)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60074 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track in Aussy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60075 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60076 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction - Youtube
Group: S-Trains Message: 60077 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60078 From: Bruce Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60079 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60080 From: EdSauers Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: UPDATE ** NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT *** B&O I1 Wood Copula Caboose An
Group: S-Trains Message: 60081 From: Edward Sauers Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Update {S-Scale List} B&O I1 Caboose **** list of other RRs that us
Group: S-Trains Message: 60082 From: mspeichert@sbcglobal.net Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60083 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains Message: 60084 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60085 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/11/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60086 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains Message: 60087 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60088 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60089 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60090 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60091 From: grdobbs Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60092 From: ljcamp1@aol.com Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60093 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/11/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60094 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60095 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: New Layout Videos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60096 From: eric Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: S Train cars for sale. SHS, AM, DP
Group: S-Trains Message: 60097 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: af instruction sheets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60098 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60099 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60100 From: Coopers Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets 785 & 787
Group: S-Trains Message: 60101 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60102 From: portlines Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 60103 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: circus loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60104 From: tgrebo Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets 785 & 787
Group: S-Trains Message: 60105 From: preardon4girls Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Portline & S-Helper
Group: S-Trains Message: 60106 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: circus loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60107 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 60108 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: Portline & S-Helper
Group: S-Trains Message: 60109 From: mike rosz Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: Portline & S-Helper
Group: S-Trains Message: 60110 From: Scott Davidson Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60111 From: hjsheffield Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Possible new S house
Group: S-Trains Message: 60112 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60113 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
Group: S-Trains Message: 60114 From: George Cohn Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60115 From: Bruce Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60116 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60117 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
Group: S-Trains Message: 60118 From: robert hendrickson Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60119 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60120 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Wednesday at NTTM
Group: S-Trains Message: 60121 From: aztecfan Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: He said Gilbert was a streight shooter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60122 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60123 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: Want to Buy - NTTM Tank Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60124 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
Group: S-Trains Message: 60125 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Fire Tower and Hose Sheds
Group: S-Trains Message: 60126 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60127 From: richs009 Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
Group: S-Trains Message: 60128 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] photo caption contest
Group: S-Trains Message: 60129 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60130 From: George Cohn Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] photo caption contest
Group: S-Trains Message: 60131 From: race944t Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: S-Trains at York
Group: S-Trains Message: 60132 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60133 From: Dave Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: HOOD DAIRY'S Decal Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 60134 From: race944t Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Circus metal cages
Group: S-Trains Message: 60135 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60136 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60137 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60138 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 60139 From: The Reardon's Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
Group: S-Trains Message: 60140 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60141 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60142 From: George Cohn Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Favorite Pest
Group: S-Trains Message: 60143 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 60144 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 60145 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 60146 From: grant Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60147 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 60148 From: Jerry Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: Favorite Pest/buttons
Group: S-Trains Message: 60149 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 60150 From: Ben Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Prewar #806 3/16" Northern for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60151 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Gray phamplet
Group: S-Trains Message: 60152 From: Ben Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: Circus metal cages
Group: S-Trains Message: 60153 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/18/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60154 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gray phamplet
Group: S-Trains Message: 60155 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Ebay again
Group: S-Trains Message: 60156 From: boblines51 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: York show
Group: S-Trains Message: 60157 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60158 From: Gene Cimino Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gray phamplet
Group: S-Trains Message: 60159 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay again
Group: S-Trains Message: 60160 From: richs009 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60161 From: richs009 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60162 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60163 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/18/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60164 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60165 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gray phamplet
Group: S-Trains Message: 60166 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: York show
Group: S-Trains Message: 60167 From: Bruce Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
Group: S-Trains Message: 60168 From: ken_5556 Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60169 From: rpuls3 Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60170 From: Bruce Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 60171 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 60172 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60173 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 60174 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Ford Model T Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60175 From: bcgsteam Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: B&O I-1 Caboose Kit Now Available
Group: S-Trains Message: 60176 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Group: S-Trains Message: 60177 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: YORK
Group: S-Trains Message: 60178 From: Steven Lunde Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60179 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60180 From: clayton deich Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 60181 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 60182 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Parkin' in the Rain ( to the tune of "I saw you, just a walkin' in t
Group: S-Trains Message: 60183 From: fahrwud Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
Group: S-Trains Message: 60184 From: clayton deich Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 60185 From: ken_5556 Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60186 From: richs009 Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 60187 From: Bruce Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 60188 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Re: air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 60189 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Re: air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 60190 From: David Dewey Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Model T model
Group: S-Trains Message: 60191 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60192 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Model T Models--PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 60193 From: Jacques Ollivier Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Mini-Craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains Message: 60194 From: Bruce Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 60195 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Thursday in YORK
Group: S-Trains Message: 60196 From: grdobbs Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: The fly in the test tube!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60197 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: Model T model
Group: S-Trains Message: 60198 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60199 From: sscalemn Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: 2010 NASG National Convention Vendor Only Registration Opportunity
Group: S-Trains Message: 60200 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Card Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60201 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: Model T Models--PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 60202 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: S Gaugain 21115 article
Group: S-Trains Message: 60203 From: richs009 Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60204 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Group: S-Trains Message: 60205 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Am I getting old?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60206 From: Jerry Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60207 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Rail Rax Still In Business?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60208 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: model ts
Group: S-Trains Message: 60209 From: Gene Cimino Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Mini-Craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains Message: 60210 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Group: S-Trains Message: 60211 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Group: S-Trains Message: 60212 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: model ts
Group: S-Trains Message: 60213 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60214 From: Michael Rector Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Am I getting old?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60215 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60216 From: David Highfield Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: York on Friday
Group: S-Trains Message: 60217 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Group: S-Trains Message: 60218 From: Rance and Bente Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Am I getting old?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60219 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Group: S-Trains Message: 60220 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/25/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60221 From: richs009 Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60222 From: nightshift.geo Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: 1/64 Scale Detail Items
Group: S-Trains Message: 60223 From: lou342ac Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60224 From: william cole Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: Re: York on Saturday (update from Friday)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60225 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60226 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/25/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60227 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60228 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Fw: [coTowpath] Catoctin Aqueduct groundbreaking
Group: S-Trains Message: 60229 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: 21115
Group: S-Trains Message: 60231 From: Michael Rector Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60232 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60233 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Kellogg's 1/64 Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 60234 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Card Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60235 From: Ben Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Reproduction circus wagons...early color variations of interest to a
Group: S-Trains Message: 60236 From: The Laniers Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60237 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60238 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60239 From: Ben Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60240 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Weirdest Thing at York
Group: S-Trains Message: 60241 From: knockbill Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: york week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60242 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60243 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60244 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: York...from the outside
Group: S-Trains Message: 60245 From: clayton deich Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60246 From: acgilbertguy Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60247 From: acgilbertguy Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: "Flyer Nut" Get-Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 60248 From: knockbill Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York...from the outside
Group: S-Trains Message: 60249 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60250 From: william cole Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60251 From: robert hendrickson Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York...from the outside
Group: S-Trains Message: 60252 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: My York Week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60253 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60254 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60255 From: race944t Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60256 From: Dave Bellian Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60257 From: Nick Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60258 From: Karl Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60259 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60260 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60261 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 60262 From: Nick Kulp Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60263 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60264 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60265 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60266 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Weirdest Thing at York
Group: S-Trains Message: 60267 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60268 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: "Flyer Nut" Get-Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 60269 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60270 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] My York Week
Group: S-Trains Message: 60271 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60272 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60273 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60274 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60275 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Weirdest Thing at York
Group: S-Trains Message: 60276 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60277 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York...from the outside
Group: S-Trains Message: 60278 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60279 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60280 From: Bruce Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60281 From: pab11147 Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60282 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60283 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60284 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60285 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60286 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60287 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60288 From: grdobbs Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60289 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: TCA
Group: S-Trains Message: 60290 From: Ed Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: National Train Show 2011..............(time deadline May 1st)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60291 From: kellstar120 Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Casey Jones
Group: S-Trains Message: 60292 From: Ben Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60293 From: Bob Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends April 30
Group: S-Trains Message: 60294 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60295 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60296 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: value of a S scale kitbashed layout?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60297 From: Ben Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Casey Jones
Group: S-Trains Message: 60298 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Article Kit Bash Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60299 From: richs009 Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Article Kit Bash Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60300 From: O. Lee Barnett Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends April 30
Group: S-Trains Message: 60301 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Article Kit Bash Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60302 From: David Engle Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends April 30
Group: S-Trains Message: 60303 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: York dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60304 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: From Toy Trains List
Group: S-Trains Message: 60305 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Article Kit Bash Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60306 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: File
Group: S-Trains Message: 60307 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Link to article
Group: S-Trains Message: 60308 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60309 From: AlR Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: American Models trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60310 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60311 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60312 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60313 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60314 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains Message: 60315 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60316 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60317 From: Steven Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Set back....Now back on track size question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60318 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60319 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60320 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: From Toy Trains List
Group: S-Trains Message: 60321 From: Nick Kulp Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60322 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: From Toy Trains List
Group: S-Trains Message: 60323 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60324 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains Message: 60325 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains Message: 60326 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Spring Spree Layout Tours
Group: S-Trains Message: 60327 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60328 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: From Toy Trains List
Group: S-Trains Message: 60329 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60330 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60331 From: John Metzger Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60332 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60333 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60334 From: kellstar120 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Pete's Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60335 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60336 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60337 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60338 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60339 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: Pete's Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60340 From: The Laniers Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA Applications
Group: S-Trains Message: 60341 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA Applications
Group: S-Trains Message: 60342 From: aztecfan Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: New blood
Group: S-Trains Message: 60343 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60344 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60345 From: kellstar120 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: Pete's Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60346 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 60347 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood
Group: S-Trains Message: 60348 From: charlie and edith Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60349 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood
Group: S-Trains Message: 60350 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: shell Point
Group: S-Trains Message: 60351 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood
Group: S-Trains Message: 60352 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: Florida-Shaped Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60353 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60354 From: pab11147 Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60355 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: New Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60356 From: sgaugian Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60357 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: How I Became a TCA Member
Group: S-Trains Message: 60358 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Gondola with Hole in Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 60359 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60360 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60361 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60362 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60363 From: aztecfan Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: follow up on new blood
Group: S-Trains Message: 60364 From: aztecfan Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: New Blood up date, Looks like they are promoting our venders!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60365 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60366 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60367 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60368 From: charlie and edith Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Shell Point
Group: S-Trains Message: 60369 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60370 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60371 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60372 From: David Dewey Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60373 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60374 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60375 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60376 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60377 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60378 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60379 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Decal Replacement
Group: S-Trains Message: 60380 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/2/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60381 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Decal Replacement
Group: S-Trains Message: 60382 From: timstrains2000 Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Hello
Group: S-Trains Message: 60383 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood.....WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60384 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60385 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60386 From: George Cohn Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: For Something Different
Group: S-Trains Message: 60387 From: sgaugeandy Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60388 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: A non TCA horror story
Group: S-Trains Message: 60389 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60390 From: Dave Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: "S" Louisville, KY
Group: S-Trains Message: 60391 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60392 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: S-Trains Message: 60393 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 60394 From: David Dewey Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Group: S-Trains Message: 60395 From: zemouse2001 Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: S-Trains Message: 60396 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: S-Trains Message: 60397 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/2/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60398 From: grant Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Flyer Traffic Master #23320
Group: S-Trains Message: 60399 From: grant Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: CA Railroad museum in Sacramento CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 60400 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Re: CA Railroad museum in Sacramento CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 60401 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Non Train things for a layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60402 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Bad News. LOL
Group: S-Trains Message: 60403 From: Matthew Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Building Lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 60404 From: Timboy Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: S-Trains Message: 60405 From: aztecfan Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: enjoy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60406 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: Artista
Group: S-Trains Message: 60407 From: Timboy Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: Re: enjoy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60408 From: richs009 Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: Amazing layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60409 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: New Layout Videos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60410 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60411 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: The LATEST S Helper Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 60412 From: rm_hirailer Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: "S" in Comic Strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 60413 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: The LATEST S Helper Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 60414 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: Amazing layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60415 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: The LATEST S Helper Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 60416 From: splsaab Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: S-scale getting a shout-out from an unusual source
Group: S-Trains Message: 60417 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Spring Videos from TCA/NTTM
Group: S-Trains Message: 60418 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Traffic Master #23320
Group: S-Trains Message: 60419 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Pic uploaded to Photos section
Group: S-Trains Message: 60420 From: David Dewey Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: S in comic strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 60421 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Re: S in comic strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 60422 From: grant Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Re: "S" in Comic Strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 60423 From: fahrwud Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: "S" in Comic Strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 60424 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: S in comic strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 60425 From: fahrwud Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building Lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 60426 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Modeling ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 60427 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: National Canal Museum
Group: S-Trains Message: 60428 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 60429 From: Bob Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Promotion Announcement
Group: S-Trains Message: 60430 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 60431 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 60432 From: George Cohn Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 60433 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 60434 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/9/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60435 From: william cole Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 60436 From: David Dewey Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Victoria Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60437 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Modeling idea
Group: S-Trains Message: 60438 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Victoria Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60439 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Victoria Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60440 From: UNLV666@aol.com Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/9/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60441 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60442 From: Al Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: American Flyer F-9 Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 60443 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/9/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60444 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60445 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: AF items
Group: S-Trains Message: 60446 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60447 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: AF items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60448 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer F-9 Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 60449 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer F-9 Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 60450 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60451 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF items
Group: S-Trains Message: 60452 From: grdobbs Date: 5/10/2010
Subject: F-9's
Group: S-Trains Message: 60453 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/10/2010
Subject: Updated American Flyer Operator Equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60454 From: hjsheffield Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Truck Scales
Group: S-Trains Message: 60455 From: pab11147 Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60456 From: George Cohn Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60457 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60458 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60459 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60460 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60461 From: Al Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60462 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60463 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60464 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60465 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Upgrading toy trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 60466 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60467 From: Dave Winslow Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60468 From: robert hendrickson Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60469 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: More on conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 60470 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60471 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: 326 plug in tender?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60472 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60473 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: More on conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 60474 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60475 From: David Highfield Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated Electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60476 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60477 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: updating electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60478 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60479 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60480 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60481 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60482 From: Donald Abrams Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60483 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60484 From: Paul Breault Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60485 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: DCC items
Group: S-Trains Message: 60486 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 60487 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: DCC Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60488 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: DCC Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60489 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60490 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: DCC Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60491 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/14/2010
Subject: Re: DCC Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60492 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: New Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60493 From: Timboy Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60494 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60495 From: George Cohn Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60496 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/16/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60497 From: The Reardon's Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60498 From: Timboy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60499 From: A E Johnson Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: New Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60500 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60501 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60502 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60503 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60504 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60505 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60506 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: For Sale: American Flyer boxcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 60507 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60508 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60509 From: Timboy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60510 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60511 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60512 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/16/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60513 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: For Sale: American Flyer Hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 60514 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60515 From: Brady Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60516 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60517 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Flyer part needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 60518 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60519 From: Ray Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60520 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60521 From: Timboy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60522 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60523 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60524 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60526 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60527 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60528 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60529 From: Ray Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60530 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60531 From: mike jones Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60532 From: Timboy Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60533 From: Timboy Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60534 From: Roy Meissner Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Duluth Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 60535 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60536 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60537 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60538 From: mikenguy9 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: curved track radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 60539 From: bob_ep5 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Retrofitting Flyonel DC Can Motor into AF PA Power Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 60540 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Ebay 356 Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains Message: 60541 From: mikenguy9 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 60542 From: Timboy Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60543 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Retrofitting Flyonel DC Can Motor into AF PA Power Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 60544 From: Timboy Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60545 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60546 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: curved track radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 60547 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay 356 Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains Message: 60548 From: downtowndeco Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: O Scale manufacturing opportunity.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60549 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60550 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Track Radius - Deja Vu
Group: S-Trains Message: 60551 From: Ray Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 60552 From: Trains 4 U Date: 5/19/2010
Subject: Re: Retrofitting Flyonel DC Can Motor into AF PA Power Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 60553 From: sscalemn Date: 5/19/2010
Subject: Status of 2010 NASG National Convention Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60554 From: Timboy Date: 5/19/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60555 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: 640 Hopper
Group: S-Trains Message: 60556 From: afjerryk5 Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: '31 Cadillac
Group: S-Trains Message: 60557 From: charlie and edith Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60558 From: rwferr1 Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Track Radius - Deja Vu
Group: S-Trains Message: 60559 From: Timboy Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60560 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60561 From: SMMW Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: New diesels coming from Smoky Mtn.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60562 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Retrofitting, HUH?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60563 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60564 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60565 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Window Strip tips?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60566 From: George Cohn Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60567 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60568 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60569 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60570 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Ebay items
Group: S-Trains Message: 60571 From: George Cohn Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60572 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Video (was Window Strip tips?)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60573 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Talking Station Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60574 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60575 From: fahrwud Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Retrofitting, HUH?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60576 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video (was Window Strip tips?)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60577 From: Timboy Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60578 From: George Cohn Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60579 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 60580 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60581 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60582 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Retrofitting, HUH?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60583 From: charlie and edith Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60584 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60585 From: A E Johnson Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Hoppers for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60586 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/23/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60587 From: Timboy Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60588 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60589 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60590 From: Timboy Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60591 From: grant bishop Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 60592 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60593 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/23/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60594 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60595 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: This week at SHS…
Group: S-Trains Message: 60596 From: Timboy Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60597 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60598 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60599 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60600 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60601 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60602 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60603 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60604 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60605 From: Gerry Evans Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Free Layout...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60606 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60607 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60608 From: Bob Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide 5-for-4 Special Ending Soon
Group: S-Trains Message: 60609 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60610 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60611 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 60612 From: biew19 Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: Passenger car inserts
Group: S-Trains Message: 60613 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: York!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60614 From: Dave Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: Rolling Stock Sales
Group: S-Trains Message: 60615 From: Gerry Evans Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: Freebie Shelf Layout...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60616 From: Gerry Evans Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Free Layout...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60617 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger car inserts
Group: S-Trains Message: 60618 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Defective Lionel Truck - Repaired
Group: S-Trains Message: 60619 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: NTTM Work Train Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60620 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Work and Freight Trains Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60621 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/30/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60622 From: pkrae Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Re: NTTM Work Train Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60623 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Outage - Latest Information to be posted in chatro
Group: S-Trains Message: 60624 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Website Currently partially offline
Group: S-Trains Message: 60625 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org Website Currently partially offline
Group: S-Trains Message: 60626 From: reujan2000 Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: AF Info. Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 60627 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Greenberg Books
Group: S-Trains Message: 60628 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] York!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60629 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/30/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60630 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Group: S-Trains Message: 60631 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Photo Gallery back online!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60632 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Books
Group: S-Trains Message: 60633 From: wcbeverly Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 6/6 and 6/8
Group: S-Trains Message: 60634 From: race944t Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Books additional info
Group: S-Trains Message: 60635 From: George Cohn Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: American Flyer Digital Sound Card
Group: S-Trains Message: 60636 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains Back Online
Group: S-Trains Message: 60637 From: Scale S Only Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 6/6 and 6/8
Group: S-Trains Message: 60638 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Circus Tickets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60639 From: grant bishop Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Greenberg Books
Group: S-Trains Message: 60640 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Question about Circus Tickets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60641 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Books additional info
Group: S-Trains Message: 60642 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60643 From: Bob Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide 5-for-4 Special Thank You
Group: S-Trains Message: 60644 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2010 Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 60645 From: Herbert Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60646 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60647 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Fw: Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60648 From: willisbd Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Modeling project
Group: S-Trains Message: 60649 From: Scott Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Rail Scope?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60650 From: william cole Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60651 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60652 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60653 From: albert paolozzi Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60654 From: Bill Drake Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60655 From: race944t Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Greenberg Books
Group: S-Trains Message: 60656 From: grant Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: All Talk
Group: S-Trains Message: 60657 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60658 From: Robert Conner Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60659 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60660 From: The Laniers Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if thereis one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60661 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if thereis one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60662 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60663 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60664 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is
Group: S-Trains Message: 60665 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60666 From: MikeS Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60667 From: rapidrail1 Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60668 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 60669 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: marx stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 60670 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60671 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert box, stock, and reefer cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60672 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert misc rolling stock and accessories for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60673 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert Tank Cars for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60674 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 60675 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 60676 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: marx stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 60677 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: New York Central full length coaches for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60678 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 60679 From: Michael Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60680 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 60681 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 60682 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60683 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60684 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 60685 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 60686 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60687 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Rail Scope - Alternatives
Group: S-Trains Message: 60688 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60689 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60690 From: George Cohn Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60691 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60692 From: richs009 Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope - Alternatives
Group: S-Trains Message: 60693 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60694 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/6/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60695 From: Roger Delthony Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 60696 From: boblines51 Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 60697 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: RE; Glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 60698 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 60699 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 60700 From: rapidrail1 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Roping off
Group: S-Trains Message: 60701 From: Nick and Becky Colleran Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Railscope FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 60702 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/6/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60703 From: Jerry Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Box found after Spring Spree: attention dealers!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60704 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Railscope FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 60705 From: Robert A Persing Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 60706 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Roping off
Group: S-Trains Message: 60707 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Engineer's Eye View of the Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60708 From: Theodore Weiler Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Roping off
Group: S-Trains Message: 60709 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Roping off
Group: S-Trains Message: 60710 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 60711 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Train Stuff kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60712 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Dispatch email
Group: S-Trains Message: 60713 From: David Engle Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 60714 From: Robert A Persing Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: Re: Train Stuff kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60715 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: Re: Engineer's Eye View of the Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 60716 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: 12 Locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60717 From: mike Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: 771 stockyard problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 60718 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 60719 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Fw: New Train Song
Group: S-Trains Message: 60720 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Stephen Strasburg
Group: S-Trains Message: 60721 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Foam Roadway
Group: S-Trains Message: 60722 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 60723 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 60724 From: Bill Drake Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: New Train Song
Group: S-Trains Message: 60725 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 60726 From: Jerry Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: Foam Roadway
Group: S-Trains Message: 60727 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60728 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: Foam Roadway
Group: S-Trains Message: 60729 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Log Dump Area
Group: S-Trains Message: 60730 From: mike jones Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 60731 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60732 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60733 From: Scott Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: PA Service Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 60734 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 60735 From: Michael Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60736 From: Scott Davidson Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Stephen Strasburg....
Group: S-Trains Message: 60737 From: ekaplan707 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60738 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60739 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Corrugated Box Company is in place for good
Group: S-Trains Message: 60740 From: Tom Hawley Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Fw: James E. Strates Carnival Train (NS 048)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60741 From: Ben Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Carousel truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 60742 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60743 From: David Engle Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: James E. Strates Carnival Train (NS 048)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60744 From: mike Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: SIT bellows to cylinder parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 60745 From: A E Johnson Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60746 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: SIT bellows to cylinder parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 60747 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: This week at SHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 60748 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Christmas 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 60749 From: downtowndeco Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Ever wanted to get into manufacturing?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60750 From: willhhj Date: 6/12/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 60751 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/12/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/13/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60752 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/12/2010
Subject: S-Trax Question (Corrected Link)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60753 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/13/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/13/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60754 From: pdpfpd Date: 6/13/2010
Subject: AF Repairs
Group: S-Trains Message: 60755 From: Steven Lunde Date: 6/14/2010
Subject: Re: AF Repairs
Group: S-Trains Message: 60756 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 6/14/2010
Subject: Santa Fe Dockside
Group: S-Trains Message: 60757 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 60758 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Santa Fe Docksider
Group: S-Trains Message: 60759 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
Group: S-Trains Message: 60760 From: ekaplan707 Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Docksider
Group: S-Trains Message: 60761 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
Group: S-Trains Message: 60762 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
Group: S-Trains Message: 60763 From: tbennerohio Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
Group: S-Trains Message: 60764 From: Bob C Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Layouts Needed For Central Coast RR Festival (Calif.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60765 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60766 From: grdobbs@juno.com Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60767 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60768 From: chasesmithus Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60769 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60770 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
Group: S-Trains Message: 60771 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60772 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: DIRT!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60773 From: charlie and edith Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Flyer Smoke Unit Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60774 From: Dave Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: A&W Decal Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 60775 From: sgaugian Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Smoke Unit Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60776 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60777 From: pkrae Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60778 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60779 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60780 From: afjerryk5 Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Bad day for S gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60781 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Smoke Unit Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 60782 From: A E Johnson Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60783 From: willhhj Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: SANDA KAN - S Gauge Products
Group: S-Trains Message: 60784 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Bad day for S gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60785 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad day for S gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60786 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad news for S gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60787 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2010 production
Group: S-Trains Message: 60788 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad day for S gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60789 From: David Dewey Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad news for S
Group: S-Trains Message: 60790 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60791 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Bad news for S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60792 From: Bob Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 60793 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/20/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60794 From: vito4cal Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: S West 5 - Reminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 60795 From: ekaplan707 Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 60796 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Lost another one
Group: S-Trains Message: 60797 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/20/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60798 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: 24003 Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 60799 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60800 From: vito4cal Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: Re: S West 5 - Reminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 60801 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: 24003 vs. Rockville MD milk bottle.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60802 From: Scott Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: Putt Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 60803 From: willhhj Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 60804 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW8s
Group: S-Trains Message: 60805 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Putt Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 60806 From: Dave Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: #988 A.R.T. Decal Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 60807 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: More Layout Accessory Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 60808 From: rapidrail1 Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: S gauge VGN kit bashed and scratch built equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60809 From: John Metzger Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Re: Putt Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 60810 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW8s
Group: S-Trains Message: 60811 From: bandmancwc Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Looking for Chessie engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 60812 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Roadway
Group: S-Trains Message: 60813 From: aztecfan Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Down load a templet for a 3D city
Group: S-Trains Message: 60814 From: charlie and edith Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Flyer Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60815 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - USRA single sheathed boxcars and panel
Group: S-Trains Message: 60816 From: Rance and Bente Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S scale plausibility
Group: S-Trains Message: 60817 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW1 EMD switchers
Group: S-Trains Message: 60818 From: Bill Drake Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S scale plausibility
Group: S-Trains Message: 60819 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Fw: S Helper Field is done
Group: S-Trains Message: 60820 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: S Helper Field is done
Group: S-Trains Message: 60821 From: Rhett George Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Best foot (1:1 scale) forward
Group: S-Trains Message: 60822 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: S Helper Field is done
Group: S-Trains Message: 60823 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/25/2010
Subject: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60824 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/25/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - double sheathed 40' boxcars and 2 bay o
Group: S-Trains Message: 60825 From: Bob Moyer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: CTT magazines
Group: S-Trains Message: 60826 From: robert hendrickson Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60827 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60828 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60829 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe
Group: S-Trains Message: 60830 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60831 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60832 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe
Group: S-Trains Message: 60833 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60834 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: A. C. Gilbert item
Group: S-Trains Message: 60835 From: zemouse2001 Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: CTT magazines
Group: S-Trains Message: 60836 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60837 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/27/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60838 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW9s
Group: S-Trains Message: 60839 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Plasticville Signal Bridge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60840 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Information Request - if permitted
Group: S-Trains Message: 60841 From: Pete Nelson Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Wanted Alco S-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 60842 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - 3 bay PS2 covered hoppers and rebuilt b
Group: S-Trains Message: 60843 From: David Dewey Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: CTT mags & whistle generators
Group: S-Trains Message: 60844 From: robert hendrickson Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe
Group: S-Trains Message: 60845 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW9s
Group: S-Trains Message: 60846 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/27/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60847 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - Extended vision cabooses
Group: S-Trains Message: 60848 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW9s
Group: S-Trains Message: 60849 From: SMMW Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: 44-ton GE is next release
Group: S-Trains Message: 60850 From: The Reardon's Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CTT magazines
Group: S-Trains Message: 60851 From: sgaugian Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Old mags
Group: S-Trains Message: 60852 From: mikenguy9 Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Majorette Yattming (hot wheel)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60853 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Decals for Flyer Heavyweights, 952, 953, 954?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60854 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: Majorette Yattming (hot wheel)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60855 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Re: First iPhone 4 Movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 60856 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - NW2s
Group: S-Trains Message: 60857 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Re: First iPhone 4 Movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 60858 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Decals for Flyer Heavyweights, 952, 953, 954?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60859 From: robert hendrickson Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60860 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Classic and New American Flyer for Purchase
Group: S-Trains Message: 60861 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60862 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60863 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60864 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60865 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - Reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 60866 From: Herbert Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60867 From: clayton deich Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: First iPhone 4 Movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 60868 From: clayton deich Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60869 From: Robert Conner Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60870 From: clayton deich Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60871 From: Dale Smith Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60872 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60873 From: MikeS Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Pre-War American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60874 From: Dave Winslow Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60875 From: Bruce Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60876 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60877 From: UNLV666@aol.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60878 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60879 From: race944t Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60880 From: kyreckers Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60881 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Ebay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60882 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60883 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60884 From: Dave Winslow Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60885 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60886 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60887 From: Rance and Bente Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60888 From: michael prell Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60889 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: National Train Show.....2011 in "S"acramento
Group: S-Trains Message: 60890 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60891 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60892 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60893 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60894 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60895 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60896 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Common sense and old machinery
Group: S-Trains Message: 60897 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60898 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60899 From: MikeS Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60900 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Narrow Tie Roadbed for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60901 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60902 From: michael prell Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60903 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60904 From: Theodore Weiler Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60905 From: michael prell Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
Group: S-Trains Message: 60906 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: new subject
Group: S-Trains Message: 60907 From: clayton deich Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60908 From: clayton deich Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60909 From: aztecfan Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Your living in my house and playing with my toys
Group: S-Trains Message: 60910 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4943
Group: S-Trains Message: 60911 From: sgaugian Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60912 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60913 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60914 From: Edward Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: E bay harassment....
Group: S-Trains Message: 60915 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60916 From: Bob Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update & Announcement
Group: S-Trains Message: 60917 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Company House Cardstock Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60918 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 60919 From: Barry Jamison Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4943
Group: S-Trains Message: 60920 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: search for BigBoy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60921 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Company House Cardstock Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60922 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60923 From: michael prell Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60924 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - Reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 60925 From: robert hendrickson Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment....
Group: S-Trains Message: 60926 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment....
Group: S-Trains Message: 60927 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Company House Cardstock Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60928 From: Don Thompson Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 60929 From: David Dewey Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
Group: S-Trains Message: 60930 From: Edward Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: E bay harassment....Enquiring minds want to know..??
Group: S-Trains Message: 60931 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/4/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60932 From: s-nut Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: NASG building kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60933 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60934 From: jhwysopal Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: repairing a heavyweight
Group: S-Trains Message: 60935 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60936 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60937 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
Group: S-Trains Message: 60938 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: that kind of an appraisal...???
Group: S-Trains Message: 60939 From: grdobbs@juno.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60940 From: robert hendrickson Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60941 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: NASG building kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60942 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/4/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60943 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: NASG building kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60944 From: George Cohn Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
Group: S-Trains Message: 60945 From: michael prell Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: that kind of an appraisal...???
Group: S-Trains Message: 60946 From: s-nut Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Re: NASG building kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60947 From: Glenn Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: HONEY BROOK LIBRARY TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains Message: 60948 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Link Coupler Installation Problem Resolved
Group: S-Trains Message: 60949 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: PVMR Layout in Honey Brook
Group: S-Trains Message: 60950 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
Group: S-Trains Message: 60951 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Common sense, old machinery, and a Jag story too
Group: S-Trains Message: 60952 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 60953 From: Jim Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Group: S-Trains Message: 60954 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 60955 From: mike jones Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: repairing a heavyweight
Group: S-Trains Message: 60956 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 60957 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60958 From: zemouse2001 Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60959 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60960 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Fw: [kl] An interesting piece of historical information
Group: S-Trains Message: 60961 From: Herbert Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 60962 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60963 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60964 From: Ben Perry Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 60965 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60966 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 60967 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: A C Gilbert Timeline
Group: S-Trains Message: 60968 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Dangerous Sites ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 60969 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 60970 From: benperryjr Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 60971 From: benperryjr Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Paradise Dairy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60972 From: Sgt. Guinness Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
Group: S-Trains Message: 60973 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: Paradise Dairy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60974 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Layouts to visit: Cape Cod
Group: S-Trains Message: 60975 From: grdobbs@juno.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: repairing a heavyweight
Group: S-Trains Message: 60976 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: Paradise Dairy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60977 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Repairing a heavyweight
Group: S-Trains Message: 60978 From: Ben Date: 7/8/2010
Subject: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60979 From: SMMW Date: 7/8/2010
Subject: H10-44 shipments being made
Group: S-Trains Message: 60980 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: 342 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60981 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: New rails-A wonderful thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 60982 From: afjeff_56 Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60983 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60984 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: New rails-A wonderful thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 60985 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60986 From: Bob Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: One Step Closer & New Ad Rates
Group: S-Trains Message: 60987 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60988 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60989 From: Bruce Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60990 From: fahrwud Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
Group: S-Trains Message: 60991 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/11/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60992 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: Talk about MOW.....Wow!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60993 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: 342 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60994 From: vendlingerk Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER ENGINES FOR SALE!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60995 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60996 From: Gale Hall Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: GP stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 60997 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/11/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60998 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 60999 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 61000 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: New "Specials" from SnS Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 61001 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Rich Roy please contact me off list
Group: S-Trains Message: 61002 From: Lennis Hall Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Rebuild
Group: S-Trains Message: 61003 From: race944t Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61004 From: Richard Karnes Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains Message: 61005 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Need Boiler Front for 21139 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 61006 From: Sgt. Guinness Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
Group: S-Trains Message: 61007 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61008 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 61009 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 61010 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61011 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Diesel-armature question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61012 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: #35 Brakeman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61013 From: David Dewey Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61014 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 61015 From: albert paolozzi Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: #35 Brakeman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61016 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Flyer Diesel Hesitation Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61017 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Old Glory Flagpole
Group: S-Trains Message: 61018 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 61019 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61020 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: #35 Brakeman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61021 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Chickens
Group: S-Trains Message: 61022 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61023 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Diesel Hesitation Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61024 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email
Group: S-Trains Message: 61025 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Last Train Home
Group: S-Trains Message: 61026 From: EDWARD Date: 7/16/2010
Subject: Sunkist packing Shed rerun
Group: S-Trains Message: 61027 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/16/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61028 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email; Sorry, sent to wrong
Group: S-Trains Message: 61029 From: rep928 Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Reverse unit coil
Group: S-Trains Message: 61030 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61031 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Shell repairs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61032 From: David Dewey Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 61033 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email
Group: S-Trains Message: 61034 From: David Dewey Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61035 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/18/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61036 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse unit coil
Group: S-Trains Message: 61037 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: AF items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61038 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: 2-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 61039 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61040 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: DCC Action Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61041 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61042 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Disaster at the D&K RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61043 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse unit coil
Group: S-Trains Message: 61044 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61045 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/18/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61046 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61047 From: Herbert Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61048 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61049 From: Larry Moore Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61050 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61051 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: apology
Group: S-Trains Message: 61052 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61053 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email
Group: S-Trains Message: 61054 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61055 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61056 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61057 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Diesel Hesitation
Group: S-Trains Message: 61058 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: WD-40
Group: S-Trains Message: 61059 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Earthquake Damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 61060 From: Bruce Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61061 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61062 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61063 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61064 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Cow is Moooved Over
Group: S-Trains Message: 61065 From: The Reardon's Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61066 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61067 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61068 From: Alex Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over
Group: S-Trains Message: 61069 From: Don 'Mac' Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Looking for...Hermosa Beach Depot
Group: S-Trains Message: 61070 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over
Group: S-Trains Message: 61071 From: Bruce Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61072 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61073 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61074 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61075 From: Bruce Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61076 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61077 From: robert hendrickson Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61078 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61079 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Mike is Right
Group: S-Trains Message: 61080 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61081 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: S scale truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 61082 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61083 From: Gerry Evans Date: 7/24/2010
Subject: Fw: [buildingsandstructures] Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 61084 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/24/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61085 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/24/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/25/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61086 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/24/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61087 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/25/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/25/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61088 From: michael prell Date: 7/26/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61089 From: fahrwud Date: 7/29/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over/variation on earthquake cows.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61090 From: Michael & LInda Marer Date: 7/30/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over/variation on earthquake cows.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61091 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/30/2010
Subject: Re: {S Lists} Is there one...??
Group: S-Trains Message: 61092 From: richs009 Date: 7/30/2010
Subject: 951 heavyweight?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61093 From: Don Thompson Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61094 From: Jerry Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61095 From: acgilbertguy Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61096 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61097 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: 951 heavyweight?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61098 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61099 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/1/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61100 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/1/2010
Subject: Re: This week at SHS...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61101 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/1/2010
Subject: NASG 2011 Convention in "S"acramento
Group: S-Trains Message: 61102 From: phil_dunlop2002 Date: 8/1/2010
Subject: American Models GP-9 transformed........
Group: S-Trains Message: 61103 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/1/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/1/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61104 From: s-nut Date: 8/2/2010
Subject: Re: American Models GP-9 transformed........
Group: S-Trains Message: 61105 From: Mellon, Jay Date: 8/2/2010
Subject: Report of 2010 NASG Convention in Duluth, MN
Group: S-Trains Message: 61106 From: phil_dunlop2002 Date: 8/2/2010
Subject: Re: American Models GP-9 transformed........
Group: S-Trains Message: 61107 From: Bob C Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival (CA) - S Scale Layouts Needed For To
Group: S-Trains Message: 61108 From: willhhj Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61109 From: sgaugian Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: Legacy v1.3 updates
Group: S-Trains Message: 61110 From: Scott Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: American Flyer Exhibit in Florida
Group: S-Trains Message: 61111 From: SMMW Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: Upcoming 44-ton GE with AF compatible wheelsets?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61112 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/4/2010
Subject: Cheap art for the train room
Group: S-Trains Message: 61113 From: zemouse2001 Date: 8/4/2010
Subject: Re: FALL S FEST 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61114 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/5/2010
Subject: Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 61115 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 8/6/2010
Subject: Late Dispatches
Group: S-Trains Message: 61116 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/6/2010
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers at last weekend's San Diego train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61117 From: Bill Drake Date: 8/6/2010
Subject: Re: Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 61118 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Well ..... I've been missing you all .....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61119 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers at last weekend's San Diego train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61120 From: Rance and Bente Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 61121 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Gnu News.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61122 From: s-nut Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: Late Dispatches
Group: S-Trains Message: 61123 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: Well ..... I've been missing you all .....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61124 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: emails from S-trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 61125 From: George Cohn Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: emails from S-trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 61126 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: New Website - American Flyer Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 61127 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 7252
Group: S-Trains Message: 61128 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Gilbert 910 and other tank cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61129 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Gilbert Flyer passenger cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61130 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61131 From: Brady Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: New Website - American Flyer Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 61132 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Flyer passenger cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61133 From: Rance and Bente Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: New Website - American Flyer Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 61134 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: "S"acto....Walt's Questions Answered.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61135 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: New Website - American Flyer Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 61136 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 910 and other tank cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61137 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: New Website - Wrong email
Group: S-Trains Message: 61138 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: American Flyer Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 61139 From: richs009 Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 61140 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61141 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Real Trains and pies
Group: S-Trains Message: 61142 From: Walter Jopke Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: "S"acto....Walt's Questions Answered.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61143 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [toytrains] Real Trains and pies
Group: S-Trains Message: 61144 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Real Trains and pies
Group: S-Trains Message: 61145 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Refrigerator Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61146 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Preserving History
Group: S-Trains Message: 61147 From: clayton deich Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers at last weekend's San Diego train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61148 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: Refrigerator cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61149 From: robert hendrickson Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61150 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: Amazon
Group: S-Trains Message: 61151 From: Gerry Evans Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: FM H10-44
Group: S-Trains Message: 61152 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale your first choice?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61153 From: The Reardon's Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61154 From: omahakid2003 Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 61155 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 61156 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 61157 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 61158 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Refrigerator Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61159 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Only 20 days left....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61160 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Updated list of Gilbert Tank Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61161 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Cabooses, Hand Car, Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 61162 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Boxcars, Refrigerator cars, Stock cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61163 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator Cars Books
Group: S-Trains Message: 61164 From: Ben Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: ACME carousel truck on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61165 From: michael Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
Group: S-Trains Message: 61166 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61167 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 61168 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
Group: S-Trains Message: 61169 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61170 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
Group: S-Trains Message: 61171 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
Group: S-Trains Message: 61172 From: Scale S Only Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61173 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: For Sale: lots of Gilbert Gondolas
Group: S-Trains Message: 61174 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61175 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61176 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61177 From: George Cohn Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61178 From: Ben Perry Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61179 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61180 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61181 From: Mike Vana Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 61182 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61183 From: Al Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61184 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61185 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61186 From: crf250x04 Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Showcase Miniatures S scale Sunkist Citrus shed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61187 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 61188 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert track
Group: S-Trains Message: 61189 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61190 From: clayton deich Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61191 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61192 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: For Sale Gilbert black-rail curved track from 1946-47
Group: S-Trains Message: 61193 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Consololidated and Pacific Locomotives for sale , must sell
Group: S-Trains Message: 61194 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61195 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61196 From: Al Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61197 From: EDWARD Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 61198 From: John Metzger Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61199 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61200 From: race944t Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61201 From: Mike Vana Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 61202 From: SMMW Date: 8/17/2010
Subject: Future SMMW offerings
Group: S-Trains Message: 61203 From: Glenn Date: 8/17/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61204 From: Al Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61205 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: layout Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61206 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 61207 From: zemouse2001 Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: A question on can motor conversions - brass vs steel worm gear
Group: S-Trains Message: 61208 From: Al Baker Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61209 From: barb Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Brian Nolan
Group: S-Trains Message: 61210 From: frank emiro Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Group: S-Trains Message: 61211 From: wd512@att.net Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61212 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: A question on can motor conversions - brass vs steel worm gear
Group: S-Trains Message: 61213 From: Mark Kiner Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Group: S-Trains Message: 61214 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: Brian Nolan
Group: S-Trains Message: 61215 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61216 From: Lee Johnson Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61217 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61218 From: Edward Musil Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61219 From: Richard Falzini Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61220 From: michael Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61221 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: layout Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61222 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61223 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: 38 of my Gilbert Flyer cars are discounted on ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61224 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: layout Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61225 From: Michael Rector Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61226 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61227 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61228 From: Scott Davidson Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's - Erie PA 1982
Group: S-Trains Message: 61229 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Fw: Top Ten Songs for New Canadians
Group: S-Trains Message: 61230 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Lionel Mentioned in Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 61231 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: layout Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61232 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: TNT car info needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61233 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: TNT car info needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61234 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Group: S-Trains Message: 61235 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Group: S-Trains Message: 61236 From: sgaugian Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Group: S-Trains Message: 61237 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Homasote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61238 From: michael prell Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61239 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: TNT car info needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61240 From: michael prell Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61241 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Want to trade S Helper wheel sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 61242 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Group: S-Trains Message: 61243 From: wd512@att.net Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61244 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61245 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Only SHS 2-8-0 B&O left
Group: S-Trains Message: 61246 From: George Cohn Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61247 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61248 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Additions to the Displays Websites and a query
Group: S-Trains Message: 61249 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61250 From: michael prell Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Group: S-Trains Message: 61251 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/22/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61252 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: Flyer T-Shirts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61253 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/22/2010
Subject: "S"acramento Convention.......A family affair in 2011
Group: S-Trains Message: 61254 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/22/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/22/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61255 From: charlie and edith Date: 8/23/2010
Subject: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Group: S-Trains Message: 61256 From: Brady Date: 8/23/2010
Subject: Flyer Hump Yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61257 From: sgaugian Date: 8/23/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Group: S-Trains Message: 61258 From: rj4010d Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Group: S-Trains Message: 61259 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61260 From: sscalemn Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: E-unit StickIng
Group: S-Trains Message: 61261 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains Message: 61262 From: MikeS Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61263 From: Carey Probst Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: E-unit StickIng
Group: S-Trains Message: 61264 From: sgaugian Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Group: S-Trains Message: 61265 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: E-unit StickIng
Group: S-Trains Message: 61266 From: Rhett George Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: E-unit StickIng
Group: S-Trains Message: 61267 From: rj4010d Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Group: S-Trains Message: 61268 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61269 From: michael prell Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains Message: 61270 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: E-unit StickIng
Group: S-Trains Message: 61271 From: charlie and edith Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: 360 Gilbert Rehab
Group: S-Trains Message: 61272 From: rj4010d Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: 360 Gilbert Rehab
Group: S-Trains Message: 61273 From: richs009 Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61274 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Great Big Sea and trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 61275 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Great Big Sea with another mention of a train
Group: S-Trains Message: 61276 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/26/2010
Subject: Train song video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61277 From: Richard Karnes Date: 8/27/2010
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains Message: 61278 From: Thorinn Marty Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: Off topic -- fix toaster oven
Group: S-Trains Message: 61279 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/29/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61280 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61281 From: Brady Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: #35 Brakeman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61282 From: Thorinn Marty Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Off topic -- fix toaster oven FIXED!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61283 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/29/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61284 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: York dates
Group: S-Trains Message: 61285 From: acgilbertguy Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Re: York dates
Group: S-Trains Message: 61286 From: Bob C Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Display Your Railroad On Tour #22 - November 20 (Southern California
Group: S-Trains Message: 61287 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Brakeman in Action
Group: S-Trains Message: 61288 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/30/2010
Subject: Re: Brakeman in Action
Group: S-Trains Message: 61289 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/30/2010
Subject: Re: York dates
Group: S-Trains Message: 61290 From: acgilbertguy Date: 8/30/2010
Subject: Re: York dates
Group: S-Trains Message: 61291 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61292 From: charlie and edith Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: 360 Dieael Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61293 From: paflyrman Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61294 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Plastic Ville Tollbooth
Group: S-Trains Message: 61295 From: willhhj Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010 -- BANQUET SPEAKER ANNOUNCEMENT
Group: S-Trains Message: 61296 From: A Lhama Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61297 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: 360 Dieael Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61298 From: Jerry Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61299 From: Larry Moore Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61300 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Apples
Group: S-Trains Message: 61301 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61302 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61303 From: robert hendrickson Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Plastic Ville Tollbooth
Group: S-Trains Message: 61304 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61305 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61306 From: robert hendrickson Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61307 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61308 From: Antonio Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61309 From: Antonio Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61310 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: CJSS 29th Fall Get Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 61311 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61312 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: Plastic Ville Tollbooth
Group: S-Trains Message: 61313 From: Carey Probst Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61314 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains Message: 61315 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me. AC or DC power
Group: S-Trains Message: 61316 From: sgaugian Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61317 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61318 From: Antonio Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61319 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61320 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61321 From: Michael Rector Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61322 From: Lee Johnson Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} RE: SHS Blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains Message: 61323 From: paflyrman Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: Fading 566 Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61324 From: charlie and edith Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert 72X Switch Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61325 From: sgaugian Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains Message: 61326 From: dphobbies Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: American Flyer U33C Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61327 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: AC Gilbert American Flyer Steam Locos converted to DCC ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61328 From: sgaugian Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61329 From: Jerry Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 72X Switch Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61330 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains Message: 61331 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update - Questions about the scale versio
Group: S-Trains Message: 61332 From: Brian Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: My American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61333 From: Larry Moore Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61334 From: ekaplan707 Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61335 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61336 From: JohnM Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: billboard wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 61337 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C update
Group: S-Trains Message: 61338 From: michael prell Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61339 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61340 From: ron plyler Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61341 From: Bob Anson Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61342 From: sgaugian Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains Message: 61343 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/5/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61344 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Gerry Evans
Group: S-Trains Message: 61345 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update - new the Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 61346 From: Dave Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: NEW Motor Truck Lines Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61347 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Fw: Electrical Wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 61348 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/5/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61349 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 61350 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 61351 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 61352 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/6/2010
Subject: Re: Electrical Wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 61353 From: sgaugian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: the new Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 61354 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Brakeman Sighted
Group: S-Trains Message: 61355 From: sgaugian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: the new Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 61356 From: Gary Chidester Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: New Table?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61357 From: Brian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61358 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 61359 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: S GAUGE LAYOUT MAKES THE BIG TIME
Group: S-Trains Message: 61360 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61361 From: jvmandell Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 10TH 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61362 From: Miller, Scott Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61363 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 61364 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Looking for OLD track plan book
Group: S-Trains Message: 61365 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61366 From: richs009 Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book
Group: S-Trains Message: 61367 From: sgaugian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: the new Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 61368 From: Timboy Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Large All-American Flyer Layout Build
Group: S-Trains Message: 61369 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61370 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Updated Website for American Flyer Operators
Group: S-Trains Message: 61371 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61372 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61373 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book
Group: S-Trains Message: 61374 From: Robert Conner Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book
Group: S-Trains Message: 61375 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: "S"ome events and activities planned for the Sacramento NASG/NMRA jo
Group: S-Trains Message: 61376 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 61377 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Driver Eight
Group: S-Trains Message: 61378 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61379 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61380 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book - Found one!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61381 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: S Scale Turntable
Group: S-Trains Message: 61382 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Small Railroads You Can Build - Which One???
Group: S-Trains Message: 61383 From: richs009 Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61384 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: TYPO CORRECTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 61385 From: Timboy Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Request for pics of my Flyer layout under construction
Group: S-Trains Message: 61386 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 61387 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: S GAUGE LAYOUT MAKES THE BIG TIME
Group: S-Trains Message: 61388 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: AFL Northern 800 Linkage
Group: S-Trains Message: 61389 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Small Railroads You Can Build - Which One???
Group: S-Trains Message: 61390 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61391 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61392 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61393 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61394 From: vito4cal Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to trade S Helper wheel sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 61395 From: Monte Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 61396 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book - Found one!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61397 From: grant bishop Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book - Found one!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61398 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Another way to handle reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 61399 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: 155 RR cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61400 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Glen Rock, PA RR Mural
Group: S-Trains Message: 61401 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern 800 Linkage - HELP!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61402 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern 800 Linkage - HELP!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61403 From: Timboy Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Rich Gough
Group: S-Trains Message: 61404 From: barb Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: S Scale Turntable
Group: S-Trains Message: 61405 From: rick gough Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Rich Gough
Group: S-Trains Message: 61406 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: 155 RR Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61407 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: For Sale: 3 Americam Models boxcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61408 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Question: #1250 Transformer by American Flyer Mfg. Co.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61409 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: KBS RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61410 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: Train Meet Sunday
Group: S-Trains Message: 61411 From: David Engle Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: Re: KBS RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61412 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: Re: KBS RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61413 From: David Engle Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: Re: KBS RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61414 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: AFL Northern 800 Linkage and Battery
Group: S-Trains Message: 61415 From: Timboy Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61416 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/12/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61417 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 61418 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 61419 From: piccu56 Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Bruce D Manson Passes Away
Group: S-Trains Message: 61420 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61421 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 61422 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 61423 From: gigeastman Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61424 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: New Hallmark 1/64 fire engine.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61425 From: Edward Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 61426 From: Timboy Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61427 From: grant bishop Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61428 From: Bill Drake Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61429 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61430 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61431 From: gigeastman@roadrunner.com Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61432 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61433 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61434 From: gigeastman Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61435 From: gigeastman Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61436 From: Timboy Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61437 From: Ray Puls Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 61438 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61439 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Confused....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61440 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61441 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Fwd: NYTimes.com: China Shifts From Emphasis on Low-Cost Factories
Group: S-Trains Message: 61442 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Small Layout ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 61443 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 61444 From: Bruce Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Just when you think you've seen everything........
Group: S-Trains Message: 61445 From: gigeastman Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61446 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61447 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Bachmann S gauge trolley
Group: S-Trains Message: 61448 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61449 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: Just when you think you've seen everything........
Group: S-Trains Message: 61450 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: Just when you think you've seen everything........
Group: S-Trains Message: 61451 From: gigeastman Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61452 From: ron_tallyho Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 61453 From: glenn allen Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Design program
Group: S-Trains Message: 61454 From: Rick Evans Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 61455 From: richs009 Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 61456 From: Rick Evans Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 61457 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: PRR K-5
Group: S-Trains Message: 61458 From: Ray Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: NYTimes.com: China Shifts From Emphasis on Low-Cost Factori
Group: S-Trains Message: 61459 From: Larry Moore Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 61460 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Old Vintage movie of B&Ms train
Group: S-Trains Message: 61461 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/18/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 61462 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/18/2010
Subject: Re: reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 61463 From: Rick Evans Date: 9/18/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 61464 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: Re: reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 61465 From: Timboy Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
Group: S-Trains Message: 61466 From: gigeastman Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: Gargraves 201-401 track
Group: S-Trains Message: 61467 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/19/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61468 From: willhhj Date: 9/21/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61469 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/21/2010
Subject: American Flyer Operator Equipment - Special on Shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 61470 From: Ben Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: 21836/21830??
Group: S-Trains Message: 61471 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: ZLE?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61472 From: Timboy Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
Group: S-Trains Message: 61473 From: acgilbertguy Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer Operator Equipment - Special on Shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 61474 From: sgaugian Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
Group: S-Trains Message: 61475 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: 21836/21830??
Group: S-Trains Message: 61476 From: Alan Evans Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: ZLE?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61477 From: Gerry Evans Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: New Kit On The Block...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61478 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61479 From: Timboy Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
Group: S-Trains Message: 61480 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61481 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: SHS 2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61482 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: 21830/21836
Group: S-Trains Message: 61483 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Re: 21836/21830??
Group: S-Trains Message: 61484 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Billboard Squeek?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61485 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/25/2010
Subject: September Episode - B&O Railroad Museum Television Network
Group: S-Trains Message: 61486 From: dlkeil Date: 9/26/2010
Subject: Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 61487 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: 6-8 million dollar train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61488 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 61489 From: michael prell Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: History Channel and TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 61490 From: Donald Abrams Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: AF 21099 Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61491 From: robert hendrickson Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: 6-8 million dollar train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61492 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: History Channel and TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 61493 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: 6-8 million dollar train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61494 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: OPEN HOUSE AT FALL YORK
Group: S-Trains Message: 61495 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 61496 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/28/2010
Subject: Re: 6-8 million dollar train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61497 From: Richard Karnes Date: 9/28/2010
Subject: Mobley Library Announcement
Group: S-Trains Message: 61498 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61499 From: ss396l78375 Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61500 From: whtrainman Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61501 From: Lennis Hall Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61502 From: Carey Probst Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61503 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61504 From: zemouse2001 Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61505 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61506 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61507 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61508 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61509 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61510 From: George Cohn Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61511 From: George Cohn Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61512 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Group: S-Trains Message: 61513 From: Ron Inscho Date: 9/30/2010
Subject: #8B transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 61514 From: Rhett George Date: 9/30/2010
Subject: Mobley Library - Thanks, Dick
Group: S-Trains Message: 61515 From: Grumpy Date: 9/30/2010
Subject: Internet special
Group: S-Trains Message: 61516 From: Dave Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: RED RYDER Box Car Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 61517 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Train Show in Berea OH
Group: S-Trains Message: 61518 From: Gale Hall Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 61519 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: York Primer Please
Group: S-Trains Message: 61520 From: Timboy Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Group: S-Trains Message: 61521 From: afjeff_56 Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Toy Train Swap Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 61522 From: Timboy Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Group: S-Trains Message: 61523 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Group: S-Trains Message: 61524 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Lucky Train on Face Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 61525 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/26/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61526 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Group: S-Trains Message: 61527 From: Timboy Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61528 From: lou342ac Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Recent Luionel Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 61529 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Last RCTHS Meet of the Year.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61530 From: Rich Falzini Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Question regarding The 1960 " The Arrow Set "
Group: S-Trains Message: 61531 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61532 From: barb Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5031
Group: S-Trains Message: 61533 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Question regarding the 1960 "The Arrow" set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61534 From: michael prell Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61535 From: Timboy Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61536 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/3/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61537 From: michael prell Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61538 From: Timboy Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5031
Group: S-Trains Message: 61539 From: Richard Karnes Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Mobley Library transition
Group: S-Trains Message: 61540 From: wyoaf Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Ray Palumbo S Gauge Article in November CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 61541 From: Timboy Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5031
Group: S-Trains Message: 61542 From: sgaugian Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61543 From: David Dewey Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61544 From: willhhj Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61545 From: Timboy Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61546 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Re: Ray Palumbo S Gauge Article in November CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 61547 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Transformer Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61548 From: barb Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Digest number 5033
Group: S-Trains Message: 61549 From: Timboy Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Re: Digest number 5033
Group: S-Trains Message: 61550 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Moody Street Trains - Columbus Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 61551 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Idaho Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61552 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: 24066 fom Arrow set for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61553 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Re: Idaho Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61554 From: Timboy Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61555 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61556 From: Timboy Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61557 From: Todd Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: AFCC Collector Magazines For Sale and Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 61558 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: 2011 Sn3 Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 61559 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: "S"ugar Beet Cars.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61560 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 10/7/2010
Subject: FS Bachmann DCC system
Group: S-Trains Message: 61561 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 10/7/2010
Subject: Re: AFCC Collector Magazines For Sale and Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 61562 From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: FS Bachmann DCC system
Group: S-Trains Message: 61563 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61564 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - F7 inventory for sale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61565 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61566 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61567 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
Group: S-Trains Message: 61568 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: AM diesel conversion to DC operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 61569 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Fw:Stolen Horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61570 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: WHAT a deal
Group: S-Trains Message: 61571 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: AM diesel conversion to DC operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 61572 From: The Reardon's Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - F7 inventory for sale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61573 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: Re: AM diesel conversion to DC operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 61574 From: Timboy Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61575 From: Dave Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: CANADA Shipping Up-date
Group: S-Trains Message: 61576 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: Lot"S" of "S" for "S"ale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61577 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: S scale layout available
Group: S-Trains Message: 61578 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Train running through a tornado...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61579 From: Timboy Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: American Flyer Screen Saver
Group: S-Trains Message: 61580 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - F3 inventory for sale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61581 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Train running through a tornado
Group: S-Trains Message: 61582 From: Rance and Bente Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: Train running through a tornado...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61583 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/10/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61584 From: ara2060 Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Painting tutorial from The Aspen Modeling Company
Group: S-Trains Message: 61585 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: S-Chat Tonight 8 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61586 From: s-nut Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: local Fort Worth Texas train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61587 From: s-nut Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: upcoming train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61588 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: "S"acto Convention Hi-Rail Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61589 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: L-AF U33C and Challenger at York
Group: S-Trains Message: 61590 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Jim Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 61591 From: Bruce Date: 10/14/2010
Subject: Re: Jim Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 61592 From: Carey Probst Date: 10/14/2010
Subject: Re: Jim Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 61593 From: michael prell Date: 10/14/2010
Subject: Re: Jim Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 61594 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: USS Potomac.....(FDR's presidential yacht)
Group: S-Trains Message: 61595 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/17/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61596 From: Ben Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Group: S-Trains Message: 61597 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: YORK
Group: S-Trains Message: 61598 From: Glenn Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: YORK WEEK
Group: S-Trains Message: 61599 From: EdSauers Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets and Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61600 From: Timboy Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Yet another York post
Group: S-Trains Message: 61601 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Group: S-Trains Message: 61602 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Group: S-Trains Message: 61603 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 61604 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 61605 From: barry_ja Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK WEEK
Group: S-Trains Message: 61606 From: JohnS Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Hi Group!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61607 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Group: S-Trains Message: 61608 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: 336 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61609 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Group!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61610 From: Mark Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 61611 From: acgilbertguy Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Group: S-Trains Message: 61612 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: York thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61613 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Group: S-Trains Message: 61614 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61616 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Group: S-Trains Message: 61617 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61618 From: Nick Kulp Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61619 From: william cole Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61620 From: ron_tallyho Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Circus set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61621 From: John Seaman Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Group!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61622 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Circus set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61623 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: York Reunion notes
Group: S-Trains Message: 61624 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61625 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61626 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Circus set
Group: S-Trains Message: 61627 From: hellonc99 Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Blatant Ad - Flyer for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61628 From: Timboy Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: York Rants & Comments
Group: S-Trains Message: 61629 From: Edward Sauers Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: SOLD *** Re: [S-Trains] FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets
Group: S-Trains Message: 61630 From: gigeastman Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61631 From: michael prell Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 61632 From: Nick Kulp Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61633 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61634 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: York what about the Challenger?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61635 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York Rants & Comments
Group: S-Trains Message: 61636 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York what about the Challenger?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61637 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: SHS flatcars with loads...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61638 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Major additions to the American Flyer Displays website
Group: S-Trains Message: 61639 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Washington County Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 61640 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 61641 From: Gale Hall Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: U33
Group: S-Trains Message: 61642 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 61643 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33
Group: S-Trains Message: 61644 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33C and Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 61645 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33C and Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 61646 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 61647 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61648 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33C and Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 61649 From: The Reardon's Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Washington County Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 61650 From: robert hendrickson Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Washington County Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 61651 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61652 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61653 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61654 From: acgilbertguy Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61655 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61656 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 61657 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61658 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61659 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61660 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61661 From: acgilbertguy Date: 10/22/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61662 From: Brady Date: 10/22/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61663 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 61664 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Utah Phillips
Group: S-Trains Message: 61665 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61666 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: A.F
Group: S-Trains Message: 61667 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Group: S-Trains Message: 61668 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 61669 From: Timboy Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Group: S-Trains Message: 61670 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Group: S-Trains Message: 61671 From: sgaugian Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: AF 48808 PFE Reefer question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61672 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Gremlins Attack
Group: S-Trains Message: 61673 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: AF 48808 PFE Reefer question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61674 From: Iron Horse Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: :"S" on TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 61675 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Gremlins Attack!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61676 From: Don Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: Gremlins Attack
Group: S-Trains Message: 61677 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Loops Are Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 61678 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/24/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61679 From: sgaugian Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: AF 48808 PFE Reefer question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61680 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: :"S" on TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 61681 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Railroad Construction Company
Group: S-Trains Message: 61682 From: clayton deich Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Group: S-Trains Message: 61683 From: Timboy Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Group: S-Trains Message: 61684 From: race944t Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61685 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Bending rail to larger or smaller radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 61686 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 61687 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61688 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 61689 From: alguckes2001 Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: AF #752 Seaboard Coaler Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 61690 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: set 20203
Group: S-Trains Message: 61691 From: paflyrman Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61692 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: ZOT Progress Pix
Group: S-Trains Message: 61693 From: Timboy Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: ZOT Progress Pix
Group: S-Trains Message: 61694 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: ZOT Progress Pix
Group: S-Trains Message: 61695 From: Brady Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: AF #752 Seaboard Coaler Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 61696 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/27/2010
Subject: Some Upcoming Events Oct, 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61697 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/27/2010
Subject: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 61698 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/28/2010
Subject: Re: SHS commercialism - extended vision cabooses
Group: S-Trains Message: 61699 From: sgaugian Date: 10/28/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 61700 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: Re: SHS commercialism - 3 car reefer and rebuilt boxcar sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 61701 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
Group: S-Trains Message: 61702 From: Todd Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: AFCC Collector Magazines Wanted and For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61703 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
Group: S-Trains Message: 61704 From: David Dewey Date: 10/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
Group: S-Trains Message: 61705 From: Timboy Date: 10/30/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61706 From: Dave Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: AF Quartering Tools
Group: S-Trains Message: 61707 From: Brady Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
Group: S-Trains Message: 61708 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: SGG Open house Sunday Nov 7th and Tuesday Nov 9th
Group: S-Trains Message: 61709 From: Timboy Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61710 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Montreal, Maine and Atlantic RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61711 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/31/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61712 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Harold and Maude
Group: S-Trains Message: 61713 From: barb Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61714 From: Timboy Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61715 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61716 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out USRA open top hoppers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61717 From: David Dewey Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61718 From: Robert Conner Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61719 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61720 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: State Of Maine Cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61721 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61722 From: Robert Davis Date: 11/2/2010
Subject: New to group needing help
Group: S-Trains Message: 61723 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/2/2010
Subject: Tom's Trackwork
Group: S-Trains Message: 61724 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Cattle Pen Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 61725 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: New to group needing help
Group: S-Trains Message: 61726 From: John M Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Northern problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 61727 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: Northern problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 61728 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: HO Automotive roadway
Group: S-Trains Message: 61729 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: Northern problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 61730 From: Glenn Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: CONESTOGA & NORTHERN RAILROAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 61731 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: Northern problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 61732 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out 40' wooden stock cars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61733 From: Lou Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Blatant Add; Wanted- control box
Group: S-Trains Message: 61734 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/4/2010
Subject: At The Railyard: Pennsylvania Railroad Eastern Region
Group: S-Trains Message: 61735 From: Iron Horse Date: 11/4/2010
Subject: Re: :"S" on TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 61736 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: :"S" on TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 61737 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Sold out SHS SW1s
Group: S-Trains Message: 61738 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: FW: Jess Bennett
Group: S-Trains Message: 61739 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Sad news; Jess Bennett
Group: S-Trains Message: 61740 From: Timboy Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61741 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Sad news; Jess Bennett
Group: S-Trains Message: 61742 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61743 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: November Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 61744 From: rj4010d Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61745 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61746 From: rj4010d Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61747 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61748 From: preardon4girls Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Truck help
Group: S-Trains Message: 61749 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Truck help
Group: S-Trains Message: 61750 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 61751 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 24566 auto carrier, 982 BAR boxcar, and more
Group: S-Trains Message: 61752 From: Timboy Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61753 From: Lou Templeton Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61754 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61755 From: rj4010d Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61756 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Sad news; Jess Bennett
Group: S-Trains Message: 61757 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: For Sale: 983 MoPac Eagle boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 61758 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Up and Down the Monon
Group: S-Trains Message: 61759 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: The resistor is
Group: S-Trains Message: 61760 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Northern Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 61761 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Re: S scale figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 61762 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61763 From: Rance and Bente Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 61764 From: Scott Freeman Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: K-Line Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 61765 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Maple Donut
Group: S-Trains Message: 61766 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Specialize Rail Transport
Group: S-Trains Message: 61767 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: 2011 S Convention in "S"acramento
Group: S-Trains Message: 61768 From: Ed Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: NASG 2011 Convention in "S"acramento
Group: S-Trains Message: 61769 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: K-Line Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 61770 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Zippy comic
Group: S-Trains Message: 61771 From: tiga34@att.net Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61772 From: Ed Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: NASG 2011 Convention Q&A
Group: S-Trains Message: 61773 From: Timboy Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Group: S-Trains Message: 61774 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: K-Line Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 61775 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: S scale figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 61776 From: John Metzger Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: NASG 2011 Convention in "S"acramento
Group: S-Trains Message: 61777 From: David Dewey Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Great Model RRs 2011
Group: S-Trains Message: 61778 From: LB Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Hico Dinkyville Handcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61779 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: "Perception IS reality"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61780 From: Timboy Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Re: "Perception IS reality"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61781 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Take a Model Train To Work Day 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61782 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Re: "Perception IS reality"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61783 From: Bill Drake Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Re: Hico Dinkyville Handcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 61784 From: Bill Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: For Sale - American Flyer and Modified American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 61785 From: Bill Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: for sale - forgot to add - please contact off list
Group: S-Trains Message: 61786 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: TWO Train Shows of Note
Group: S-Trains Message: 61787 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: ATMA Typo
Group: S-Trains Message: 61788 From: Timboy Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61789 From: Bill Drake Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61790 From: May Cunningham Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: Re: For Sale - American Flyer and Modified American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 61791 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61792 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61793 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61794 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: CHILDREN YOU GATTA LOVE EM
Group: S-Trains Message: 61795 From: michael prell Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61796 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61797 From: Tedd Flyers Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61798 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61799 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61800 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Fw: Unbelievable
Group: S-Trains Message: 61801 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61802 From: Dave Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: LED Head Light Unit "CONSTANT LIGHT"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61803 From: BILL COCHRAN Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61804 From: thorn142010 Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Skid Row Decal Series
Group: S-Trains Message: 61805 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: coal loads
Group: S-Trains Message: 61806 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61807 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61808 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61809 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61810 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out SW9s and 2 bay PS2 covered hoppers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61811 From: Brady Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61812 From: grant bishop Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61813 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Small Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61814 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Video Progress Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 61815 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61816 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Re: Video Progress Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 61817 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Link
Group: S-Trains Message: 61818 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Video Progress Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 61819 From: moviemadness2 Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: BAAFC Gunther Beer Car For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61820 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61821 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Link
Group: S-Trains Message: 61822 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Link
Group: S-Trains Message: 61823 From: richs009 Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: ACSG layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61824 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Lone Star Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 61825 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61826 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61827 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Fw: CTT article
Group: S-Trains Message: 61828 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out double sheathed USRA boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61829 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out double sheathed USRA boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61830 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: York Taxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 61831 From: Timboy Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Take Me Out To The Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 61832 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Bombing the Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61833 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Caboose for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61834 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Latest Pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 61835 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Bombing the Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61836 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Latest Pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 61837 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Latest Pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 61838 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Train Meet Saturday the 20th
Group: S-Trains Message: 61839 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: 79X Union Station dimensions
Group: S-Trains Message: 61840 From: lou342ac Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: New Poll
Group: S-Trains Message: 61841 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Latest Pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 61842 From: Ben Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: CTT article
Group: S-Trains Message: 61843 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Sold out SHS 40' wooden reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61844 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5074
Group: S-Trains Message: 61845 From: afironhorse Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Bombing the Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61846 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: CTT article
Group: S-Trains Message: 61847 From: barry Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Link
Group: S-Trains Message: 61848 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: New Signal Bridges
Group: S-Trains Message: 61849 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Bombing the layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61850 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Gordon Lightfoot.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61851 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: "S"acto Convention --- RSS Feeds
Group: S-Trains Message: 61852 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Flyer Coach Gap
Group: S-Trains Message: 61853 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Generosity of a train person
Group: S-Trains Message: 61854 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61855 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61856 From: Ben Perry Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61857 From: charlie and edith Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Winding a Diesel Field
Group: S-Trains Message: 61858 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61859 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61860 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: 360/361 Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61861 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Winding a Diesel Field
Group: S-Trains Message: 61862 From: michael prell Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61863 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61864 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61865 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61866 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: MOVIE: UNSTOPPABLE
Group: S-Trains Message: 61867 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61868 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61869 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Fw: [AIRops] Fw: [S-Trains] RE:MOVIE: UNSTOPPABLE
Group: S-Trains Message: 61870 From: Timboy Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61871 From: robert hendrickson Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Generosity of a train person
Group: S-Trains Message: 61872 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Generosity of a train person
Group: S-Trains Message: 61873 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Generosity of a train person
Group: S-Trains Message: 61874 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: "S"acto convention -- Procedures.......and other stuff......
Group: S-Trains Message: 61875 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61876 From: Timboy Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61877 From: Dave Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: LED Replacement Lights For AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 61878 From: David Highfield Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Unstoppable
Group: S-Trains Message: 61879 From: Timboy Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61880 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: New Poll
Group: S-Trains Message: 61881 From: richs009 Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61882 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61883 From: George Cohn Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61884 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61885 From: Timboy Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Yet Another eBay Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 61886 From: John McAlonan Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61887 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Unstoppable
Group: S-Trains Message: 61888 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61889 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: 15B Transformer (was Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Group: S-Trains Message: 61890 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Train Show Sunday in East Lansing MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 61891 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Bushing an AF 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 61892 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 61893 From: Timboy Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: 15B Transformer (was Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Group: S-Trains Message: 61894 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 61895 From: George Cohn Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61896 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61897 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 61898 From: Dave Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: SWIVEL STYLE Back Up Light
Group: S-Trains Message: 61899 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61900 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 61901 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: I Second The Motion
Group: S-Trains Message: 61902 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 61903 From: David Dewey Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Alco 360 bushings & others
Group: S-Trains Message: 61904 From: Dave Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: "McLEAN TRUCKING CO." Decals for "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61905 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61906 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61907 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: buying on e bay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61908 From: Scott Freeman Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: K-line car help
Group: S-Trains Message: 61909 From: AJ Johnson Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61910 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61911 From: Gale Hall Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 61912 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: K-line car help
Group: S-Trains Message: 61913 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61914 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on e bay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61915 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61916 From: George Cohn Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61917 From: zemouse2001 Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61918 From: Scott Freeman Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: K-line car help
Group: S-Trains Message: 61919 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61920 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61921 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61922 From: Phil Edgley Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Unstoppable
Group: S-Trains Message: 61923 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Group: S-Trains Message: 61924 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61925 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61926 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61927 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: LEDS
Group: S-Trains Message: 61928 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: eBay Shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 61929 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61930 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 61931 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: "Unstoppable" - the movie
Group: S-Trains Message: 61932 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61933 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: I Second The Motion
Group: S-Trains Message: 61934 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61935 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 61936 From: David Dewey Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Group: S-Trains Message: 61937 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61938 From: David Engle Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: [RI_models] RI 4-6-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 61939 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61940 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61941 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Urgent need : SHS flex track 3 pieces
Group: S-Trains Message: 61942 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61943 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Group: S-Trains Message: 61944 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Urgent need : SHS flex track 3 pieces
Group: S-Trains Message: 61945 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Group: S-Trains Message: 61946 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61947 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 61948 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out rebuilt boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61949 From: David Engle Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: S Scale in NMRA Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61950 From: Lee Johnson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS sold out rebuilt boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61951 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Group: S-Trains Message: 61952 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Group: S-Trains Message: 61953 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61954 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out rebuilt boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61955 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE: UNSTOPPABLE
Group: S-Trains Message: 61956 From: Monte Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Putt Engine wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 61957 From: rpuls3 Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: wiring leds
Group: S-Trains Message: 61958 From: Timboy Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61959 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61960 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61961 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: little more on snow plows
Group: S-Trains Message: 61962 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61963 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61964 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61965 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Snow Plow on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 61966 From: Timboy Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61967 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61968 From: clayton deich Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
Group: S-Trains Message: 61969 From: aztecfan Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: two American Graffiti diama's up loaded to kit bashing
Group: S-Trains Message: 61970 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Cardstock Signal Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 61971 From: candsn3 Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Turner Model Works Thanksgiving Sale!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61972 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Holiday
Group: S-Trains Message: 61973 From: thorn14141 Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Skid Row Decals Series-Discount for Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 61974 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: HO Layout must leave museum
Group: S-Trains Message: 61975 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 61976 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Toy Train Memories - the book
Group: S-Trains Message: 61977 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Re: A Happy and Joyful Thanksgiving to all!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61978 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: Re: Montreal, Maine and Atlantic RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61979 From: aztecfan Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: Cal-Stewart 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 61980 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: 2011 NASG Convention..........Register Online now available
Group: S-Trains Message: 61981 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: Missing Dispatch pages.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61982 From: David Highfield Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: S Gauge windmill?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61983 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: S Gauge windmill?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61984 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: S Gauge windmill?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61985 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: S Gauge windmill?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61986 From: Larry Asp Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Telegraph Train Accessory
Group: S-Trains Message: 61987 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: S Gauge windmill?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61988 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Windmill
Group: S-Trains Message: 61989 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Single Sheathed 40' wooden boxcars and panel side hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61990 From: Bl Lamb Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Whistle controller for 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 61991 From: Bl Lamb Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Wiring whistle controller for 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 61992 From: Timboy Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61993 From: bllamb29 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: billboard wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 61994 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 61995 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 61996 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Please some Insight!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61997 From: michael prell Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61998 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 61999 From: Ron Inscho Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62000 From: michael prell Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 62001 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62002 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: AF Trains for the Holidays
Group: S-Trains Message: 62003 From: Timboy Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62004 From: jaay_st Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: 293 smoke unit?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62005 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 62006 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62007 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Please some Insight!
Group: S-Trains Message: 62008 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 62009 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: 293 smoke unit?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62010 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Please some insight
Group: S-Trains Message: 62011 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62012 From: Ron Inscho Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: did u know
Group: S-Trains Message: 62013 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: The 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62014 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Please some Insight!
Group: S-Trains Message: 62015 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: The 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62016 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62017 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Please some Insight!
Group: S-Trains Message: 62018 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62019 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62020 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: The 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62021 From: clayton deich Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62022 From: clayton deich Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62023 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62024 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62025 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 293 smoke unit?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62026 From: michael prell Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 62027 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: insight
Group: S-Trains Message: 62028 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: The 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62029 From: trainnut2us Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: And a Christmas hand car too
Group: S-Trains Message: 62030 From: trainnut2us Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: 0-12-0
Group: S-Trains Message: 62031 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Please some insight
Group: S-Trains Message: 62032 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62033 From: John Maclennan Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: billboard wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 62034 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 62035 From: clayton deich Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62036 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: And a Christmas hand car too
Group: S-Trains Message: 62037 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: billboard wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 62038 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62039 From: Larry Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: rookie questions...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62040 From: Timboy Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62041 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62042 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62043 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 293 smoke unit?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62044 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62045 From: May Cunningham Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 62046 From: clayton Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: FYI to the group..
Group: S-Trains Message: 62047 From: George Cohn Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 62048 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62049 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62050 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62051 From: barry_ja Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: northern number boards
Group: S-Trains Message: 62052 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: rookie questions...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62053 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: rookie questions...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62054 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Defective Flyonel Truck - My Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 62055 From: Larry Martin Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: rookie questions...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62056 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: "S"acto Convention (aka X2011W) Air Travel Discounts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62057 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62058 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62059 From: Timboy Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62060 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62061 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62062 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Trolley Timer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62063 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62064 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62065 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62066 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62067 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62068 From: Ron Inscho Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: re fixing Lionel frt.trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62069 From: michael prell Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62070 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fw: 1936/1937 #1682/1683 American Flyer "O" gauge Hiawatha locomotiv
Group: S-Trains Message: 62071 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out panel and composite hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 62072 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: rookie questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 62073 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62074 From: piccu56 Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62075 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62076 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62077 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62078 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62079 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62080 From: Timboy Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62081 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: "S"actoConvention American Airlines Promo Code (5% discount)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62082 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62083 From: Timboy Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62084 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: RR Crossings Quiet Zone in MD, Yikes
Group: S-Trains Message: 62085 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Comet Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 62086 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Rants and ravings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62087 From: Ben Perry Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: RR Crossings Quiet Zone in MD, Yikes
Group: S-Trains Message: 62088 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: RR Quiet Zones in MD.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62089 From: rick gough Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62090 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: RR Crossings Quiet Zone in MD, Yikes
Group: S-Trains Message: 62091 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62092 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: RR Quiet Zones in MD.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62093 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Comet Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 62094 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62095 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62096 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Comet Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 62097 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Comet Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 62098 From: David Highfield Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Quiet zone in Virginia
Group: S-Trains Message: 62099 From: Brady Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62100 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: R.R. Quiet zones
Group: S-Trains Message: 62101 From: Brady Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: AF Express Website and Mailbag Accessory
Group: S-Trains Message: 62102 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62103 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62104 From: David Engle Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: R.R. Quiet zones
Group: S-Trains Message: 62105 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62106 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62107 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF Express Website and Mailbag Accessory
Group: S-Trains Message: 62108 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62109 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings
Group: S-Trains Message: 62110 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Link Couplers (was Lionel trucks still junk !)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62111 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62112 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: American Models psgr trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62113 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Link Couplers (was Lionel trucks still junk !)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62114 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62115 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Rants and ravings
Group: S-Trains Message: 62116 From: Larry Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62117 From: aztecfan Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Hobby Lobby Music Instrments
Group: S-Trains Message: 62118 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings
Group: S-Trains Message: 62119 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: American Models psgr trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62120 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62121 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62122 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62123 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62124 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: American Models psgr trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62125 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62126 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Flyonel Steam Loco Poll Results
Group: S-Trains Message: 62127 From: Larry Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62128 From: s-nut Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: American Models transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62129 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Flyonel, AM and SHS Locomotives - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62130 From: s-nut Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: American Models transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62131 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 62132 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62133 From: Scott Freeman Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: K-line boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 62134 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Flyer Billboards
Group: S-Trains Message: 62135 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62136 From: Jerry Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Models transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62137 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: About my DCC explanation:
Group: S-Trains Message: 62138 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Old trains vs. new trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 62139 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: About my DCC explanation:
Group: S-Trains Message: 62140 From: Brady Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: TMCC Info (was: About my DCC explanation)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62141 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: Old trains vs. new trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 62142 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC Info (was: About my DCC explanation)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62143 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Models transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62144 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: Tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62145 From: Timboy Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: About my DCC explanation:
Group: S-Trains Message: 62146 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62147 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC Info
Group: S-Trains Message: 62148 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Flyonel Steam Loco Poll Results
Group: S-Trains Message: 62149 From: Edward Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62150 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62151 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Flyonel Steam Loco Poll Results
Group: S-Trains Message: 62152 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62153 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62154 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
Group: S-Trains Message: 62155 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62156 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: About my DCC explanation:
Group: S-Trains Message: 62157 From: Monte Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Polls
Group: S-Trains Message: 62158 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC info
Group: S-Trains Message: 62159 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel Steam Loco Results
Group: S-Trains Message: 62160 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: Polls
Group: S-Trains Message: 62161 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC info
Group: S-Trains Message: 62162 From: Timboy Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62163 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62164 From: Ben Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: erratic e-unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 62165 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: erratic e-unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 62166 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62167 From: rick gough Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - [S-Trains] erratic e-unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 62168 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62169 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC info
Group: S-Trains Message: 62170 From: MikeS Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
Group: S-Trains Message: 62171 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62172 From: John M Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62173 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: K-line boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 62174 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62175 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62176 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62177 From: May Cunningham Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
Group: S-Trains Message: 62178 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62179 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62180 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62181 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62182 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62183 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/5/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 62184 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62185 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62186 From: Tom Detmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62187 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Flyonel Trucks - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62188 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62189 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: K-line boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 62190 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62191 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Track Gang Upgrade
Group: S-Trains Message: 62192 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62193 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62194 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62195 From: Ben Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: S-Helper woes...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62196 From: Ben Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: erratic e-unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 62197 From: Ben Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Track Gang Upgrade
Group: S-Trains Message: 62198 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62199 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62200 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62201 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62202 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62203 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Track Gang "Repair" Link
Group: S-Trains Message: 62204 From: Tom Detmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 62205 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper woes...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62206 From: downtowndeco Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Ever wanted to be a kit manufacturer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62207 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Flyonel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62208 From: Timboy Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62209 From: alguckes2001 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 62210 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62211 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62212 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Need Paypal help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62213 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62214 From: Bob Groh Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62215 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62216 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62217 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Fw: Truck damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 62218 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Need PayPal Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62219 From: Rhett George Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: About the 4-10-10-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 62220 From: Herbert Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62221 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62222 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62223 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62224 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62225 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62226 From: Brady Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
Group: S-Trains Message: 62227 From: Brady Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62228 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62229 From: grant bishop Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62230 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62231 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62232 From: trainnut2us Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Choke for Locomatic
Group: S-Trains Message: 62233 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62234 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62235 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62236 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Fw: Shop with confidence this holiday season with PayPal Purchase Pr
Group: S-Trains Message: 62237 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62238 From: aztecfan Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62239 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 62240 From: Jerry Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62241 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62242 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Fw: My Lionel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62243 From: sgaugian Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Choke for Locomatic
Group: S-Trains Message: 62244 From: race944t Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Ashland, Va.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62245 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Kitten vs. Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62246 From: tgrebo Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: american flyer 785 coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 62247 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62248 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62249 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62250 From: David Haslauer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62251 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Choke for Locomatic
Group: S-Trains Message: 62252 From: Tom Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 62253 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: My Lionel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62254 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 62255 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 62256 From: richs009 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 62257 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62258 From: albert paolozzi Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62259 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: American Profile: L. Andrew Jugle
Group: S-Trains Message: 62260 From: Rhett George Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62261 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: PayPal - conclusion
Group: S-Trains Message: 62262 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 62263 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62264 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 62265 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: My Lionel Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62266 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62267 From: SMMW Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Final call for GE 44-tonner orders
Group: S-Trains Message: 62268 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 62269 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62270 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Lionel saga
Group: S-Trains Message: 62271 From: aztecfan Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Carey at our age this link is like Male enhancement
Group: S-Trains Message: 62272 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response - Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62273 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62274 From: frank emiro Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62275 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Coke Ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 62276 From: trainnut2us Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Choke for Locomatic
Group: S-Trains Message: 62277 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Group: S-Trains Message: 62278 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Train email.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62279 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62280 From: Tom Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 62281 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: : Lionel Email Response -
Group: S-Trains Message: 62282 From: trainnut2us Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Choke for Locomatic
Group: S-Trains Message: 62283 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62284 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Train email.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62285 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62286 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62287 From: Larry Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: DCC in American Models Loco's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62288 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Train email.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62289 From: Brady Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62290 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62291 From: stevew970 Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: L-AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 62292 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62293 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62294 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: DCC in American Models Loco's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62295 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: DCC in American Models Loco's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62296 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62297 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62298 From: albert paolozzi Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62299 From: albert paolozzi Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62300 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62301 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: L-AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 62302 From: Timboy Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62303 From: Brady Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: December Photo Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 62304 From: Brady Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62305 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Mr & Mrs Claus
Group: S-Trains Message: 62306 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 62307 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 12/10/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 62308 From: Timboy Date: 12/10/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62309 From: Larry Date: 12/10/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 62310 From: Edward Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Christmas Train card.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 62311 From: Brady Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Horseshoe Curve (was: Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62312 From: Brady Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Horseshoe Curve (was: Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62313 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 62314 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Horseshoe Curve (was: Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62315 From: Timboy Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62316 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 62317 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Christmas Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62318 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62319 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62320 From: MikeS Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: 249 American Flyer Tunnel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62321 From: John Metzger Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Fw: Last Train Ride
Group: S-Trains Message: 62322 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 62323 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62324 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62325 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62326 From: George Cohn Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 62327 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 62328 From: richs009 Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62329 From: Dave Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: BUFFALO CREEK & GAULEY Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 62330 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/12/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 62331 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Been out of the loop for a while
Group: S-Trains Message: 62332 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62333 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: THE PVMR TRAIN DISPLAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 62334 From: Robert A Persing Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 62335 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62336 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out 3 bay PS2 hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 62337 From: Rance and Bente Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Been out of the loop for a while
Group: S-Trains Message: 62338 From: richs009 Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62339 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 62340 From: wyoaf Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: $15 well spent
Group: S-Trains Message: 62341 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62342 From: Al Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: $15 well spent
Group: S-Trains Message: 62343 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62344 From: Neil Trump Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62345 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: $15 well spent
Group: S-Trains Message: 62346 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62347 From: Timboy Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62348 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62349 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62350 From: rick gough Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62351 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62352 From: rick gough Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62353 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: $15 well spent
Group: S-Trains Message: 62354 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62355 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62356 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62357 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62358 From: Al Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62359 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62360 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62361 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62362 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62363 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: SHS Ore Car Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 62364 From: rick gough Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62365 From: David Dewey Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Coal Smell smoke Fluid & driver flange wear
Group: S-Trains Message: 62366 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62367 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62368 From: John Davis Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: coal smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62369 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Coal Smell smoke Fluid & driver flange wear
Group: S-Trains Message: 62370 From: LB Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Oil Supply Depot # 768 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62371 From: Timboy Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62373 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62374 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62375 From: rick gough Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62376 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62377 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62378 From: rick gough Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62379 From: rick gough Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62380 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62382 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62383 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62384 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62385 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62386 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Autos for layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62387 From: billnovak99 Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Digital Dynamics
Group: S-Trains Message: 62388 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Rare Fly
Group: S-Trains Message: 62390 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62391 From: Brady Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62393 From: Bob Moyer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62394 From: richs009 Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62395 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62396 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: D.D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62398 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: D.D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62399 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: coal smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62400 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62401 From: rogerw53@comcast.net Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Nathalie Darras
Group: S-Trains Message: 62402 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Fw: U of MD Milk Cap and trains tie in
Group: S-Trains Message: 62403 From: John Metzger Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62404 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62405 From: Bob Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 62406 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: K-325 Motor question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62407 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62408 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62409 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62410 From: James Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Miniatur Wunderland - Huffington Airport progress report
Group: S-Trains Message: 62411 From: billnovak99 Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: D.D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62412 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: train talk
Group: S-Trains Message: 62413 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62414 From: Brady Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62415 From: Brady Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62416 From: rick gough Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 62417 From: rick gough Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62418 From: rick gough Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62419 From: Timboy Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62421 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer - Illegible Word
Group: S-Trains Message: 62422 From: Dave Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: BUFFALO CREEK Caboose Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 62424 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62425 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 62426 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 62427 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62428 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: train talk
Group: S-Trains Message: 62429 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: D.D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62430 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62431 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 62432 From: Timboy Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Twas The Night Before Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 62433 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62434 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 62436 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62437 From: Timboy Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62438 From: George Cohn Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62439 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young - so what?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62440 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer - Illegible Word
Group: S-Trains Message: 62441 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 62442 From: Dennis Back Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 62443 From: rick gough Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62444 From: rick gough Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62445 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62446 From: rick gough Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62448 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62449 From: Jim Alessio Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Video camera...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62450 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62452 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62453 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: New Module Design
Group: S-Trains Message: 62456 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 62457 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62458 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62459 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62460 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62461 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: BLATENT SALE AD - UP SET
Group: S-Trains Message: 62462 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62463 From: alsflyer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: MTH Log Loader #30-9119
Group: S-Trains Message: 62464 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Message length
Group: S-Trains Message: 62465 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62466 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62467 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: K-325 Motor question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62468 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Video camera
Group: S-Trains Message: 62469 From: Timboy Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62470 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62471 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62472 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Video camera
Group: S-Trains Message: 62473 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62474 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Video camera
Group: S-Trains Message: 62475 From: Timboy Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62476 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62477 From: Robert A Persing Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Video camera
Group: S-Trains Message: 62478 From: rick gough Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Re: K-325 Motor question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62479 From: Brady Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62480 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62481 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62482 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: track gang revisted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62483 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Group: S-Trains Message: 62484 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Group: S-Trains Message: 62485 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Group: S-Trains Message: 62486 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: D&RG PA's shipping.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62487 From: william cole Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62488 From: Dave Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: SMOKE Fluid - "Low Odor"
Group: S-Trains Message: 62489 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Track Gang String Jokes
Group: S-Trains Message: 62490 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62491 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Group: S-Trains Message: 62492 From: Timboy Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62493 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/19/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Group: S-Trains Message: 62494 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/19/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62495 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/19/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/19/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 62497 From: Timboy Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62498 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Group: S-Trains Message: 62499 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: A little about MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 62500 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: U.P. Mikado Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62501 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Wishing you all the joys of the season
Group: S-Trains Message: 62502 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Re: A little about MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 62503 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Re: A little (more) about MTH ... and Lionel.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62504 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Fw: Lionel Parts Order #C30208 Has Shipped
Group: S-Trains Message: 62506 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video of Working Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62508 From: Michael Rector Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Parts Order #C30208 Has Shipped
Group: S-Trains Message: 62509 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: U.P. Mikado Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 62511 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video of Working Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62513 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62514 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62515 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62516 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62517 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62518 From: Bruce Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62519 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62520 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62521 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62522 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62523 From: eric Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62524 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62525 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62526 From: eric Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: WARNING: S STUFF FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 62527 From: rick gough Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62528 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62529 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Video, S ga. Auto. Control using NCE Mini Panel
Group: S-Trains Message: 62530 From: richs009 Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62531 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62532 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62533 From: George Cohn Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62534 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62535 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay blocking bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62536 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62537 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62538 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay blocking bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62539 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re Playing The Video (Vimeo)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62540 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62541 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62542 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62543 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62544 From: Bruce Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62545 From: Neil Trump Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62546 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: 336 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62547 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62548 From: mike rosz Date: 12/22/2010
Subject:
Group: S-Trains Message: 62549 From: Paul Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: loboantiquities and MW on Main
Group: S-Trains Message: 62551 From: David Haslauer Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: 336 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62552 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: 336 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 62553 From: zu5249s Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62554 From: George Cohn Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62555 From: Bruce Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62557 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62558 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62559 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62560 From: workinalure Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62561 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62562 From: grant bishop Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62563 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62564 From: George Cohn Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62565 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62566 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Warning Silly email, do not read, if silliness is offensive.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62567 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62568 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62569 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62570 From: JohnM Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62571 From: Timboy Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: The Twelve Days of This Holiday Season
Group: S-Trains Message: 62573 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 62574 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62575 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62576 From: richs009 Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62577 From: scubadoo2 Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62578 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62580 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: WARNING NON SERIOUS TRAIN EMAIL
Group: S-Trains Message: 62581 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: T'was The Night Before Christmas - 2010 Edition
Group: S-Trains Message: 62582 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: T'was The Night Before Christmas - 2010 Edition
Group: S-Trains Message: 62583 From: Larry Asp Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62584 From: Bruce Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62585 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: WARNING NON SERIOUS TRAIN EMAIL
Group: S-Trains Message: 62586 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: eBay, Sellers, Pulling knurled pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 62587 From: Timboy Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 62588 From: George Cohn Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62589 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62590 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Tis' the season
Group: S-Trains Message: 62591 From: Dave Winslow Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62592 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62593 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: WARNING NON SERIOUS TRAIN EMAIL
Group: S-Trains Message: 62594 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62595 From: David Dewey Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62596 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: OFF TOPIC???
Group: S-Trains Message: 62597 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62598 From: Timboy Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: eBay; Fantastic Layout; Pin Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 62599 From: Dave Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Tis The Season ;'o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62600 From: frank emiro Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Tis The Season ;'o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 62601 From: Bob Moyer Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
Group: S-Trains Message: 62602 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
Group: S-Trains Message: 62603 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
Group: S-Trains Message: 62604 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
Group: S-Trains Message: 62605 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 62606 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 62607 From: Tom Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62608 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for train shop in Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains Message: 62609 From: Bruce Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62610 From: Bruce Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 62611 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 62612 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: re ebay; blocking bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62613 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train shop in Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains Message: 62614 From: Timboy Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: eBay; Hobby Shops; Soldering; Gargraves; Multi-Threading
Group: S-Trains Message: 62615 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Houston Hobby Shops?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62616 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train shop in Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains Message: 62617 From: MikeS Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for train shop in Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains Message: 62618 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: re ebay; blocking bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62619 From: John Maclennan Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Removing studs
Group: S-Trains Message: 62620 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Junk
Group: S-Trains Message: 62621 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Junk
Group: S-Trains Message: 62622 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: re ebay; blocking bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62623 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Junk
Group: S-Trains Message: 62624 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Houston Hobby Shops?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62625 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train shop in Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains Message: 62626 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Crane & Boom Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 62627 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: For sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 62628 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train store in Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains Message: 62629 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62630 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: re eBay; blocking bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62632 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: 1 stop direct
Group: S-Trains Message: 62633 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: January doings
Group: S-Trains Message: 62634 From: David Dewey Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: List friends, junk, etc. & THANK YOU!
Group: S-Trains Message: 62635 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Making Friends on the S list
Group: S-Trains Message: 62636 From: Timboy Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: The Reason for the Confusion...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62637 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Making Friends on the S list
Group: S-Trains Message: 62638 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/26/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 62639 From: rick gough Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Group: S-Trains Message: 62640 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Group: S-Trains Message: 62641 From: David Engle Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Group: S-Trains Message: 62642 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Group: S-Trains Message: 62643 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62644 From: eric Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/26/2010, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 62645 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62646 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62647 From: Raymond Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Wanted can motor replacement
Group: S-Trains Message: 62648 From: George Cohn Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Group: S-Trains Message: 62649 From: Bl Lamb Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: AF 740 Handcar--Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62650 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: Wanted can motor replacement
Group: S-Trains Message: 62651 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62652 From: rick gough Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct
Group: S-Trains Message: 62653 From: Timboy Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62654 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62655 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62656 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 740 Handcar--Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 62657 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62658 From: Thorin Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: DCC unit for S-n-S motored K325
Group: S-Trains Message: 62659 From: hhisgauger Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Hilton Head South Carolina
Group: S-Trains Message: 62660 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62661 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62662 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62663 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62664 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62665 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62666 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62667 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Santa
Group: S-Trains Message: 62668 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62669 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62670 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62671 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: DCC unit for S-n-S motored K325
Group: S-Trains Message: 62672 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62673 From: Bruce Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62674 From: Larry Asp Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 62675 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62676 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62677 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Things from China, M2 Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62678 From: Ben Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Traction tires for #800 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 62679 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62680 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62681 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62682 From: Ken Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
Group: S-Trains Message: 62683 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62684 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
Group: S-Trains Message: 62685 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
Group: S-Trains Message: 62686 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62687 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62688 From: Dave Winslow Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62689 From: Tom Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
Group: S-Trains Message: 62690 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Traction tires for #800 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 62691 From: Steve Lunde Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: DCC unit for S-n-S motored K325
Group: S-Trains Message: 62692 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62693 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62694 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62695 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62696 From: Ben Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Traction tires for #800 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 62697 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids, Changing the Subject
Group: S-Trains Message: 62698 From: Bruce Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Changing the Subject
Group: S-Trains Message: 62699 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62700 From: Rusty Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: American Flyer box
Group: S-Trains Message: 62701 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: stockyard revisited
Group: S-Trains Message: 62702 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: American Flyer Cities Service & Skelgas Tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 62703 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: stockyard revisited
Group: S-Trains Message: 62704 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: stockyard revisited
Group: S-Trains Message: 62705 From: aztecfan Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: This Marx sounds like a Flyer, but?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62706 From: rj4010d Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: You tube
Group: S-Trains Message: 62707 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: This Marx sounds like a Flyer, but?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62708 From: May Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: American Flyer laout on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 62709 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Flyer GP-7 Motor
Group: S-Trains Message: 62710 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: This Marx sounds like a Flyer, but?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62711 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 62712 From: piccu56 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62713 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 62714 From: May Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Marx 999 Boiler shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 62715 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 62716 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62717 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 62718 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 62719 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 62720 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 62721 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 62722 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 62723 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Houston Hobby Shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 62724 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Things from China, M2 Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62725 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 62726 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Things from China, M2 Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 62727 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer GP-7 Motor
Group: S-Trains Message: 62728 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 62729 From: Gary Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62730 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: WD-40
Group: S-Trains Message: 62731 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 62732 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Last call 70- 2 oz bottles of Scalecoat Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 62733 From: Martin Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
Group: S-Trains Message: 62734 From: May Cunningham Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62735 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 62736 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
Group: S-Trains Message: 62737 From: Edward Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62738 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62739 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62740 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: flyfisher, eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 62741 From: May Cunningham Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62742 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62743 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62744 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62745 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 62746 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 62747 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
Group: S-Trains Message: 62748 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 62749 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Flyerville Polka
Group: S-Trains Message: 62750 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: happy new year
Group: S-Trains Message: 62751 From: John Metzger Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids



Group: S-Trains Message: 58024 From: afvair Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Hello all,

I got a new BB for Christmas...read the quick start in the manual and put the engine on the track. I began running it in Conventional mode...I have no TMCC unit yet.

The engine started up fine with the "startup sounds"...a short blast on the horn and the crew talk started and with more short blast got about 4 different crew talk scripts...so crew talk is fine.

Pulled the engine out on the track for a run...the CHUG sound were INCREDIBLE!!! Wow...the engine was worth the money just for the sounds and all that beautiful smoke! I was really enjoying myself for about 3 or 4 short runs totaling about 10 minutes of on and off time Christmas night.

Then about an hour later, I went downstairs to give it another run...and I have NO CHUG SOUNDS at all. I have startup sounds...and crew talk...but when I pulled it out on the track...I had not CHUG sounds at all.

I have since been to a friends house to see if it would work on his track...and again NO CHUG sounds...and he has TMCC. The TMCC that he has didn't help at all.

HELP! I don't know what do do next. I am really bummed out. I wonder if it is just something simple maybe a "chug sensor" that got dirty?

Any suggestions would really be appreciated...I don't want to send this back...I like it to much.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 58025 From: Bruce Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Bobby,

Are you talking about the quarterly periodical put out by Frank Hare of the now defunct "American Flyer Collector's Club"? I think it was called "The Collector". I still have all of the issues in a file cabinet during the time that I was a member of the club back in the 80's and early 90's, until Frank pulled the plug due to his deteriorating health. He has since passed away, I believe.

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Abrams
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Trainminder



Here is the story on the cd images.

1. You have to buy the cd and thus incur the s&H fee.

2. The cd images are available for dl; however only to people who buy the disk and thus incur the s&H. It doesn't make sense but i guess we are still at the beginning of the total internet age. I still haven't gotten an answer as to whether their image library is the same as mitrains. it looks though like they integrate the images into the program. Perhaps once we all get the image cd and see how it works, maybe if it is missing photos, we as a group can figure out how to post a collection of additional images, at least for the S gauge stuff.

As a program so far its good enough. I don't like all the mandatory fields and I wonder why they felt it necessary to do that. most likely for their database uses which I somewhat resent. It may be that I am starting with the items I have for sale. I also so far have found the lookup awkward. It ought to be able to search by description as well as catalog no.

I might add that since this seems to be the best program available, it is our best interests to see that they survive, so we should encourage others to get the program. Although I am an O gauger, I have a lot of flyer stuff. One of my hobbies is converting flyer stuff to Lionel. I will post after I enter my flyer items cause that probably would be of the most interest to this group.

On a very different note, many years ago I subscribed to a magazine called the American Flyer Collector. Does anybody else remember this? Is it still in existence?

Bobby Abrams





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58026 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
There are a several possibilities.

First be sure the IR tether on the Drawbar is lined up so the receiver and
transmitter parts are seeing each other.
The Chuff signal goes through it.

The other possibiity is the chuff switch in the rear driver assy. is bad or
loose and that requires dissasembly and should be done by a Lionel service
station.

Or there may be a plug has come loose in the loco or tender.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of afvair
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:15 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit



Hello all,

I got a new BB for Christmas...read the quick start in the manual and put
the engine on the track. I began running it in Conventional mode...I have no
TMCC unit yet.

The engine started up fine with the "startup sounds"...a short blast on
the horn and the crew talk started and with more short blast got about 4
different crew talk scripts...so crew talk is fine.

Pulled the engine out on the track for a run...the CHUG sound were
INCREDIBLE!!! Wow...the engine was worth the money just for the sounds and
all that beautiful smoke! I was really enjoying myself for about 3 or 4
short runs totaling about 10 minutes of on and off time Christmas night.

Then about an hour later, I went downstairs to give it another run...and I
have NO CHUG SOUNDS at all. I have startup sounds...and crew talk...but when
I pulled it out on the track...I had not CHUG sounds at all.

I have since been to a friends house to see if it would work on his
track...and again NO CHUG sounds...and he has TMCC. The TMCC that he has
didn't help at all.

HELP! I don't know what do do next. I am really bummed out. I wonder if it
is just something simple maybe a "chug sensor" that got dirty?

Any suggestions would really be appreciated...I don't want to send this
back...I like it to much.

Wayne






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58027 From: wisner_mark Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Soldering Iron?
In the process of wiring my new layout. I want to solder

all the connections and cover them with shrink tubing.

Want to purchase an all purpose soldering iron. Maybe a Weller SP 35. Need some advise on type of soldering iron and where to purchase?

Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 58028 From: ron plyler Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Soldering Iron?
Weller 100/140 Watt Universal Electric Soldering Gun Kit

Model # 8200PKS Internet/Catalog # 100085564
Store SKU # 184454

$31.97/EA-Each


Available at Home Depot. Can't beat the price.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58029 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Non-Derailing Switches
Happy New Year Folks,



Does anyone know of a method that makes the American Flyer switches into
non-derailing ones? The better grades of 3-rail switches have that
feature. It makes use of the extra rail to close a circuit when a pair
of conductive wheels (and axle) approach a switch from the wrong way.
When the wheels complete the circuit, the switch throws and the train
proceeds without a problem. It is a simple, elegant and reliable
solution. Since we have only the two rails, I suppose we would need some
sort of external sensor.



Has anyone made a gadget like that work?



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58030 From: N Becker Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Well I finally received my key last night. Now to see how well it works.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58031 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Well, G&M Train & Hobby is history as of yesterday. Twenty two years as a Lionel dealer and the only Service Station in the area is ended. What we have learned something in all those years, so here's a tip:
If you have a Flyonel Pacific or Mikado with TMCC, or the Big Boy with TMCC legacy, be advised that none of the Lionel products in S or O gauge run their best on old transformers. Yes, they DO run, but not up to their full potential, and often with various problems. There is also the problem with the circuit breaker not kicking out quickly enough to save the electronics. In about 70% of the fried circuit board problems we've seen in both gauges, they were run on old transformers. The rest of the time, it was a factory defect.
All Lionel locos with TMCC do their best with the complete TMCC system operating them. I suspect that while you can run the Big Boy on TMCC, upgrading to the new Legacy system will give you better performance.
Please spend the money for the correct control system! The difference in operation is one benefit, the safety of the circuit boards is the other. So many people in our area refused to do this, were too cheap or thought they knew better, and in almost every case we got the train back for repair, or it was sent straight to Lionel.
This is the age of electronics and you must use electronics to operate these trains reliably and safely. A dead locomotive does nothing for your peace of mind, pocket book, or enthusiasm for trains.
Stumpy Stone...former hobby shop guy...Martins Ferry, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58032 From: michael prell Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Stumpster, First of all, Happy New Year, My Friend! I hope that all is going well!
To the point, Being an "old School" type who runs all of his current 1946-1958 stuff using ancient but functional Flyer transformers, and yet is willing to explore current availability,
would you be willing to provide a novice with information that one could easily use for conversion or updating for use of newer equipment. Maybe something along the line of
Upgrading to the new Legacy system for Dummies!

 Thanks,
Mike Prell
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Just a tip from the hobby shop...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:01 PM


 



Well, G&M Train & Hobby is history as of yesterday. Twenty two years as a Lionel dealer and the only Service Station in the area is ended. What we have learned something in all those years, so here's a tip:
If you have a Flyonel Pacific or Mikado with TMCC, or the Big Boy with TMCC legacy, be advised that none of the Lionel products in S or O gauge run their best on old transformers. Yes, they DO run, but not up to their full potential, and often with various problems. There is also the problem with the circuit breaker not kicking out quickly enough to save the electronics. In about 70% of the fried circuit board problems we've seen in both gauges, they were run on old transformers. The rest of the time, it was a factory defect.
All Lionel locos with TMCC do their best with the complete TMCC system operating them. I suspect that while you can run the Big Boy on TMCC, upgrading to the new Legacy system will give you better performance.
Please spend the money for the correct control system! The difference in operation is one benefit, the safety of the circuit boards is the other. So many people in our area refused to do this, were too cheap or thought they knew better, and in almost every case we got the train back for repair, or it was sent straight to Lionel.
This is the age of electronics and you must use electronics to operate these trains reliably and safely. A dead locomotive does nothing for your peace of mind, pocket book, or enthusiasm for trains.
Stumpy Stone...former hobby shop guy...Martins Ferry, OH.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58033 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: trainminder
found the link

https://www.trainminder.com/store//support_cds.cfm

my dl manager says it will take about 2 hrs to dl all 4 files.

will post after i have successfully dl

Bobby Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 58034 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder CD images
i couldn't find the link to dl the images. I found out before i went to order and haven't seen it again. Should I send them a message?

Bobby Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 58035 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Bill,

This is easily accomplished with a pair of AF #697 pressure trip switches to
activate each AF #720A remote-control track switch. (I did this when I had
my trains set up some 50-something years ago). On the far side of each
track switch you want to set up for automatic operation (where it splits
into a straight run and a curved run), skip one section of track and then
add a #697 switch on each of the following sections. Wire the #1 terminal
of each #697 back to the 15V terminal of the transformer. Connect the #3
terminal of the #697 on the straight run to the green terminal on the track
switch and connect the #3 terminal of the #697 on the curved run to the red
terminal on the track switch. Adjust each #697 so only the locomotive
operates it and don't leave the train sitting over the #697 or you could
overheat the solenoid in the track switch.

If you don't have any #697 pressure trip switches (or other actuators), you
could alternatively use fiber pins to kill the sections of track after the
switch, and jumper them back to the track switch so that the track is
powered only when the track switch is in the correct position. If running
the train in reverse into the switch, make sure that the isolated section of
track is longer than the train you are running or your caboose may derail
before the locomotive hits the dead section of track.

Have fun,

Jerry Feldman







-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Bill Porter
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:13 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches



Happy New Year Folks,

Does anyone know of a method that makes the American Flyer switches into
non-derailing ones? The better grades of 3-rail switches have that
feature. It makes use of the extra rail to close a circuit when a pair
of conductive wheels (and axle) approach a switch from the wrong way.
When the wheels complete the circuit, the switch throws and the train
proceeds without a problem. It is a simple, elegant and reliable
solution. Since we have only the two rails, I suppose we would need some
sort of external sensor.

Has anyone made a gadget like that work?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58036 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Soldering Iron?
Mark,

Soldering has a serious drawback in that trouble shooting or making changes is very difficult. I suggest you consider using wire nuts or insulated crimp on connectors. They are available in just about any size you may need and are not that expensive when you consider the time spent unsoldering and resoldering. Soldering does have one advantage when connecting to the track. Just be sure to clean the bottom of the rail of any rust or dirt that may be present if you are using original AF track.

Sam W.


----- Original Message -----
From: wisner_mark
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Soldering Iron?



In the process of wiring my new layout. I want to solder

all the connections and cover them with shrink tubing.

Want to purchase an all purpose soldering iron. Maybe a Weller SP 35. Need some advise on type of soldering iron and where to purchase?

Mark





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58037 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
There is another possibility.

There are 2 wiper type pick-ups on each side of the 4 wheel tender truck . Check to see if they are properly lined up and making good contact with the axle.

My sound went intermittent and I found that the 2 forward wipers were gone so I only had 50% contact. Called the big-L customer service and they said to replace the 2 axle contact assemblys part no.6948070T51 which they are shipping under the warranty.

Sam W.


----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit



There are a several possibilities.

First be sure the IR tether on the Drawbar is lined up so the receiver and
transmitter parts are seeing each other.
The Chuff signal goes through it.

The other possibiity is the chuff switch in the rear driver assy. is bad or
loose and that requires dissasembly and should be done by a Lionel service
station.

Or there may be a plug has come loose in the loco or tender.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of afvair
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:15 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit

Hello all,

I got a new BB for Christmas...read the quick start in the manual and put
the engine on the track. I began running it in Conventional mode...I have no
TMCC unit yet.

The engine started up fine with the "startup sounds"...a short blast on
the horn and the crew talk started and with more short blast got about 4
different crew talk scripts...so crew talk is fine.

Pulled the engine out on the track for a run...the CHUG sound were
INCREDIBLE!!! Wow...the engine was worth the money just for the sounds and
all that beautiful smoke! I was really enjoying myself for about 3 or 4
short runs totaling about 10 minutes of on and off time Christmas night.

Then about an hour later, I went downstairs to give it another run...and I
have NO CHUG SOUNDS at all. I have startup sounds...and crew talk...but when
I pulled it out on the track...I had not CHUG sounds at all.

I have since been to a friends house to see if it would work on his
track...and again NO CHUG sounds...and he has TMCC. The TMCC that he has
didn't help at all.

HELP! I don't know what do do next. I am really bummed out. I wonder if it
is just something simple maybe a "chug sensor" that got dirty?

Any suggestions would really be appreciated...I don't want to send this
back...I like it to much.

Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58038 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
I'd be very interested in knowing how to do this, in 3-rail. I believe that
Shiffy has worked it out for prewar 688 turnouts. Would sure like to see a
schematic/parts list. My electrical knowledge is VERY LIMITED, so some of
the following statements/impressions may be VERY wrong:

(1) Since a turnout is (normally) thrown by an MC switch, doesn't the
constant progression of many wheels over the "special" rail section, cause
repetitive (nearly continuous) energizing of the turnout motor coil(s)?

(2) Also, how does the circuitry NOT trip when a train passes through in the
opposite direction? Or, is that OK because the turnout is already set
"correctly"? Even if that IS the case, do the turnout coil(s) buzz (but not
throw) when a train passes (in the "facing points" direction)?

(3) Biggest issue of all - and remember I'm speaking of THREE rail - you
would be using the normally (-) wheels/axles to complete a (+) power
circuit. Sounds like an instant short to me.

Thanks in advance!

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 58039 From: afvair Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Carl...thanks for your help I will look into a plug being loose in the tender, by taking the tender top off and checking around. When I put my battery in something came loose.

When I was up to my friends layout, who has the TMCC...we discovered how important the tether Drawbar being lined up was...because when we took my train off the track then put his BB back on...now HE had no chug sounds at all. He looked at me with a very scared look and said "well now mine is broke".

He happened to look down at the draw-bar and noticed it was 1/8" higher on the engine end. He pushed it down to meet the Tether from the tender and make them flush...and all his CHUG sounds were back and working fine.

Unfortunately when we put mine on the track again afterwards to see if that was my problem...it did not help it.

BUT, we ran my BB slowly and would rock the bar slightly with our fingers and then a CHUG sound would work....we would rock the bar again and the CHUG sound would work again. We then rocked the tender side to side as the engine ran slowly down the track and the CHUG would work again for a second.

Carl, there is one more thing I forgot to mention in the original post, and maybe this is important: I said the CHUG sounds did not work...that is only partly right. When I run my BB around my loop of track...it will CHUG probably once for just a second. Last night I got three CHUGS in a row for a couple of seconds, then nothing for two more runs around the layout.

Would this mean that the CHUG switch in the engine is alright, and that maybe I have just a loose plug in the tender?

THANKS,
Wayne

Now does this narrow the problem down?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> There are a several possibilities.
>
> First be sure the IR tether on the Drawbar is lined up so the receiver and
> transmitter parts are seeing each other.
> The Chuff signal goes through it.
>
> The other possibiity is the chuff switch in the rear driver assy. is bad or
> loose and that requires dissasembly and should be done by a Lionel service
> station.
>
> Or there may be a plug has come loose in the loco or tender.
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of afvair
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:15 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I got a new BB for Christmas...read the quick start in the manual and put
> the engine on the track. I began running it in Conventional mode...I have no
> TMCC unit yet.
>
> The engine started up fine with the "startup sounds"...a short blast on
> the horn and the crew talk started and with more short blast got about 4
> different crew talk scripts...so crew talk is fine.
>
> Pulled the engine out on the track for a run...the CHUG sound were
> INCREDIBLE!!! Wow...the engine was worth the money just for the sounds and
> all that beautiful smoke! I was really enjoying myself for about 3 or 4
> short runs totaling about 10 minutes of on and off time Christmas night.
>
> Then about an hour later, I went downstairs to give it another run...and I
> have NO CHUG SOUNDS at all. I have startup sounds...and crew talk...but when
> I pulled it out on the track...I had not CHUG sounds at all.
>
> I have since been to a friends house to see if it would work on his
> track...and again NO CHUG sounds...and he has TMCC. The TMCC that he has
> didn't help at all.
>
> HELP! I don't know what do do next. I am really bummed out. I wonder if it
> is just something simple maybe a "chug sensor" that got dirty?
>
> Any suggestions would really be appreciated...I don't want to send this
> back...I like it to much.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58040 From: Steve Lunde Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Soldering Iron?
Mark,

Try the Xytronic 379 soldering station. You can get them at howardelectronics.com. Only 49.95. This is an excellent iron, several members of Badgerland S Gaugers have them.

Steve Lunde
----- Original Message -----
From: wisner_mark
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Soldering Iron?



In the process of wiring my new layout. I want to solder

all the connections and cover them with shrink tubing.

Want to purchase an all purpose soldering iron. Maybe a Weller SP 35. Need some advise on type of soldering iron and where to purchase?

Mark





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58041 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
Since you have a friend with a BB you can try to isolate the problem by
swapping tenders.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of afvair
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just
quit



Carl...thanks for your help I will look into a plug being loose in the
tender, by taking the tender top off and checking around. When I put my
battery in something came loose.

When I was up to my friends layout, who has the TMCC...we discovered how
important the tether Drawbar being lined up was...because when we took my
train off the track then put his BB back on...now HE had no chug sounds at
all. He looked at me with a very scared look and said "well now mine is
broke".

He happened to look down at the draw-bar and noticed it was 1/8" higher on
the engine end. He pushed it down to meet the Tether from the tender and
make them flush...and all his CHUG sounds were back and working fine.

Unfortunately when we put mine on the track again afterwards to see if
that was my problem...it did not help it.

BUT, we ran my BB slowly and would rock the bar slightly with our fingers
and then a CHUG sound would work....we would rock the bar again and the CHUG
sound would work again. We then rocked the tender side to side as the engine
ran slowly down the track and the CHUG would work again for a second.

Carl, there is one more thing I forgot to mention in the original post,
and maybe this is important: I said the CHUG sounds did not work...that is
only partly right. When I run my BB around my loop of track...it will CHUG
probably once for just a second. Last night I got three CHUGS in a row for a
couple of seconds, then nothing for two more runs around the layout.

Would this mean that the CHUG switch in the engine is alright, and that
maybe I have just a loose plug in the tender?

THANKS,
Wayne

Now does this narrow the problem down?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> There are a several possibilities.
>
> First be sure the IR tether on the Drawbar is lined up so the receiver
and
> transmitter parts are seeing each other.
> The Chuff signal goes through it.
>
> The other possibiity is the chuff switch in the rear driver assy. is bad
or
> loose and that requires dissasembly and should be done by a Lionel
service
> station.
>
> Or there may be a plug has come loose in the loco or tender.
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of afvair
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:15 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] I love my new BIG BOY...but my chug sounds just quit
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I got a new BB for Christmas...read the quick start in the manual and
put
> the engine on the track. I began running it in Conventional mode...I
have no
> TMCC unit yet.
>
> The engine started up fine with the "startup sounds"...a short blast on
> the horn and the crew talk started and with more short blast got about 4
> different crew talk scripts...so crew talk is fine.
>
> Pulled the engine out on the track for a run...the CHUG sound were
> INCREDIBLE!!! Wow...the engine was worth the money just for the sounds
and
> all that beautiful smoke! I was really enjoying myself for about 3 or 4
> short runs totaling about 10 minutes of on and off time Christmas night.
>
> Then about an hour later, I went downstairs to give it another run...and
I
> have NO CHUG SOUNDS at all. I have startup sounds...and crew talk...but
when
> I pulled it out on the track...I had not CHUG sounds at all.
>
> I have since been to a friends house to see if it would work on his
> track...and again NO CHUG sounds...and he has TMCC. The TMCC that he has
> didn't help at all.
>
> HELP! I don't know what do do next. I am really bummed out. I wonder if
it
> is just something simple maybe a "chug sensor" that got dirty?
>
> Any suggestions would really be appreciated...I don't want to send this
> back...I like it to much.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58042 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: AF Oil Drum Loader
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

My complete makeover of my AF Drum Loader is done.

I redid the brick work I already had on it as it was pieces on each wall. Now each wall is one solid sheet.

I painted the windows and door earth color. I got AF Green Pullman paint from Doug Peck, as the ramp for the barrels was all chipped up, exposing yellow, plus the roof got painted. Paint was a bit thick, so I thinned it down. The base is now age concrete.

I might get a repro fork lift and paint it yellow and a new repro man. I can get that at York this April.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58043 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Thanks Jerry,



Those are workable ideas. So I can use an external sensor of some type
with a relay or rig the switch points to control the power to the
approach.



Happy New Year,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Feldman
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches





Bill,

This is easily accomplished with a pair of AF #697 pressure trip
switches to
activate each AF #720A remote-control track switch. (I did this when I
had
my trains set up some 50-something years ago). On the far side of each
track switch you want to set up for automatic operation (where it splits
into a straight run and a curved run), skip one section of track and
then
add a #697 switch on each of the following sections. Wire the #1
terminal
of each #697 back to the 15V terminal of the transformer. Connect the #3
terminal of the #697 on the straight run to the green terminal on the
track
switch and connect the #3 terminal of the #697 on the curved run to the
red
terminal on the track switch. Adjust each #697 so only the locomotive
operates it and don't leave the train sitting over the #697 or you could
overheat the solenoid in the track switch.

If you don't have any #697 pressure trip switches (or other actuators),
you
could alternatively use fiber pins to kill the sections of track after
the
switch, and jumper them back to the track switch so that the track is
powered only when the track switch is in the correct position. If
running
the train in reverse into the switch, make sure that the isolated
section of
track is longer than the train you are running or your caboose may
derail
before the locomotive hits the dead section of track.

Have fun,

Jerry Feldman

,_._,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58044 From: Robert A Persing Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Trainminder
Bobby,I was a member of AFCC and have all the issues of the collector.There is a lot of good info in them. Bob Persing
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:20 AM
Subject: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Trainminder




Bobby,

Are you talking about the quarterly periodical put out by Frank Hare of the now defunct "American Flyer Collector's Club"? I think it was called "The Collector". I still have all of the issues in a file cabinet during the time that I was a member of the club back in the 80's and early 90's, until Frank pulled the plug due to his deteriorating health. He has since passed away, I believe.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Abrams
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Trainminder

Here is the story on the cd images.

1. You have to buy the cd and thus incur the s&H fee.

2. The cd images are available for dl; however only to people who buy the disk and thus incur the s&H. It doesn't make sense but i guess we are still at the beginning of the total internet age. I still haven't gotten an answer as to whether their image library is the same as mitrains. it looks though like they integrate the images into the program. Perhaps once we all get the image cd and see how it works, maybe if it is missing photos, we as a group can figure out how to post a collection of additional images, at least for the S gauge stuff.

As a program so far its good enough. I don't like all the mandatory fields and I wonder why they felt it necessary to do that. most likely for their database uses which I somewhat resent. It may be that I am starting with the items I have for sale. I also so far have found the lookup awkward. It ought to be able to search by description as well as catalog no.

I might add that since this seems to be the best program available, it is our best interests to see that they survive, so we should encourage others to get the program. Although I am an O gauger, I have a lot of flyer stuff. One of my hobbies is converting flyer stuff to Lionel. I will post after I enter my flyer items cause that probably would be of the most interest to this group.

On a very different note, many years ago I subscribed to a magazine called the American Flyer Collector. Does anybody else remember this? Is it still in existence?

Bobby Abrams

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58045 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Hi Dick,



It works, so, that part of the concept is out of the way.



(1) Yes, as long as there are conductive wheels and axles on the
activation section, the turnout motor is energized. If a switch motor is
left on for an extended period of time, it might be at risk. That is
part of the reason the accessory circuits are normally lower voltage
than the maximum track voltage.

(2) The two outside rails that are adjacent to each other - the ones
that would form the frog if they were continuous - are not connected to
other rails. On the switches in my possession, each of those rails is
independent and must be insulated from the approach tracks. A fiber pin
would work for tubular rail. These frog rails are connected to the
"ground side" of the appropriate switch motor coil.

(3) The coils are powered using the accessory supply from the
transformer. One lead for the coil is connected to the accessory hot
post. Both the accessory posts and the track posts share a common
ground. If we are using multiple transformers, we would need to keep
them in phase and connect all the grounds (base posts) together. When
the wheels connect the far outside rail (ground for the track power) to
the frog outside rail, that action completes the circuit to throw the
points.

It really is pretty elegant and is a good solution for trains that are
running. The activation rails are in the area where equipment on one
track would foul equipment on the other. So, it is OK as long as trains
keep moving and don't park in the fouling zone. For very slow speed
switching operations, it would not work as well, I suppose.



It would be very nice to have some electronic logic in there that would
only throw the switch motor when required. I am using a few Gargraves
switches with Tortoise motors. I might be able to wire them up using the
extra switch contacts to activate a latching relay. I would need to
think through that one and I would still need some sort of sensor. All
of that seems to me to be increase in complexity and expense.



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Hosmer
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:45 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches





I'd be very interested in knowing how to do this, in 3-rail. I believe
that
Shiffy has worked it out for prewar 688 turnouts. Would sure like to see
a
schematic/parts list. My electrical knowledge is VERY LIMITED, so some
of
the following statements/impressions may be VERY wrong:

(1) Since a turnout is (normally) thrown by an MC switch, doesn't the
constant progression of many wheels over the "special" rail section,
cause
repetitive (nearly continuous) energizing of the turnout motor coil(s)?

(2) Also, how does the circuitry NOT trip when a train passes through in
the
opposite direction? Or, is that OK because the turnout is already set
"correctly"? Even if that IS the case, do the turnout coil(s) buzz (but
not
throw) when a train passes (in the "facing points" direction)?

(3) Biggest issue of all - and remember I'm speaking of THREE rail - you
would be using the normally (-) wheels/axles to complete a (+) power
circuit. Sounds like an instant short to me.

Thanks in advance!

Dick Hosmer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58046 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
You're welcome, Bill.

Ideally, power will only be applied to the track-switch solenoid
intermittently. Continuous activation of the track-switch solenoid (such as
may be caused by leaving the train over the pressure or other detector
switch) may cause the solenoid to overheat. I have some ideas on how to
implement a simple modification to improve the original circuit, but don't
have time right this minute to design it. I'll try to get back to this
later.

Happy New Year to everyone.

Jerry Feldman

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Bill Porter
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches



Thanks Jerry,

Those are workable ideas. So I can use an external sensor of some type
with a relay or rig the switch points to control the power to the
approach.

Happy New Year,

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Feldman
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches

Bill,

This is easily accomplished with a pair of AF #697 pressure trip
switches to
activate each AF #720A remote-control track switch. (I did this when I
had
my trains set up some 50-something years ago). On the far side of each
track switch you want to set up for automatic operation (where it splits
into a straight run and a curved run), skip one section of track and
then
add a #697 switch on each of the following sections. Wire the #1
terminal
of each #697 back to the 15V terminal of the transformer. Connect the #3
terminal of the #697 on the straight run to the green terminal on the
track
switch and connect the #3 terminal of the #697 on the curved run to the
red
terminal on the track switch. Adjust each #697 so only the locomotive
operates it and don't leave the train sitting over the #697 or you could
overheat the solenoid in the track switch.

If you don't have any #697 pressure trip switches (or other actuators),
you
could alternatively use fiber pins to kill the sections of track after
the
switch, and jumper them back to the track switch so that the track is
powered only when the track switch is in the correct position. If
running
the train in reverse into the switch, make sure that the isolated
section of
track is longer than the train you are running or your caboose may
derail
before the locomotive hits the dead section of track.

Have fun,

Jerry Feldman

,_._,___

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58047 From: michael robinson Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: hi
happy new year to all , iam waiting on the posty i got some new trains for my set up ,iam in melb australia i go by americanflyer336 if u put that in to you tube u can see my set up will chat later bye


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58048 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Finally! Someone has managed to include EVERYTHING, including the KITCHEN SINK, in his layout!! LOL Nice job, Mike.
Jim E.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 1:31:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader






http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

My complete makeover of my AF Drum Loader is done.

I redid the brick work I already had on it as it was pieces on each wall. Now each wall is one solid sheet.

I painted the windows and door earth color. I got AF Green Pullman paint from Doug Peck, as the ramp for the barrels was all chipped up, exposing yellow, plus the roof got painted. Paint was a bit thick, so I thinned it down. The base is now age concrete.

I might get a repro fork lift and paint it yellow and a new repro man. I can get that at York this April.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58049 From: wisner_mark Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Soldering Iron?
Steve
Thanks for the recomendation.
Not sure about using a station when soldering under my layout.
The 379 is in my pricr range.

Mark
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58050 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Thanks Jim, as yes, there is a kitchen sink in those pictures.

I think there are some before and after pictures as the barrel ramp was nicked up and repainted.

So, if the pictures show a nicked up green ramp, continue to see the finished repainted ramp.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jimensign50@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader



Finally! Someone has managed to include EVERYTHING, including the KITCHEN SINK, in his layout!! LOL Nice job, Mike.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 1:31:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

My complete makeover of my AF Drum Loader is done.

I redid the brick work I already had on it as it was pieces on each wall. Now each wall is one solid sheet.

I painted the windows and door earth color. I got AF Green Pullman paint from Doug Peck, as the ramp for the barrels was all chipped up, exposing yellow, plus the roof got painted. Paint was a bit thick, so I thinned it down. The base is now age concrete.

I might get a repro fork lift and paint it yellow and a new repro man. I can get that at York this April.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58051 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Bill,

Thanks very much - but - I'm afraid it is not completely clear to me what
you are saying.

If you have a drawing program which will import into Word, could you make up
a diagram? Oh wait, I believe this forum strips all attachments.

Would it be possible to send a simple sketch - at your leisure! - to POB
1367 Colusa CA 95932?

Many thanks.

Dick
Group: S-Trains Message: 58052 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
It seems to me that you would need the early 720 Gilbert switch. On "Big L's" 0 gauge switch the coil disconects once the switch is throwen. You only want power to the coil to move the points. You do not want the power on any time the train is on that part of the track. I am not sure how you could do that, but sure would like to see how to do it.

jfred

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote:

From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:44 PM







 









I'd be very interested in knowing how to do this, in 3-rail. I believe that

Shiffy has worked it out for prewar 688 turnouts. Would sure like to see a

schematic/parts list. My electrical knowledge is VERY LIMITED, so some of

the following statements/impressi ons may be VERY wrong:



(1) Since a turnout is (normally) thrown by an MC switch, doesn't the

constant progression of many wheels over the "special" rail section, cause

repetitive (nearly continuous) energizing of the turnout motor coil(s)?



(2) Also, how does the circuitry NOT trip when a train passes through in the

opposite direction? Or, is that OK because the turnout is already set

"correctly"? Even if that IS the case, do the turnout coil(s) buzz (but not

throw) when a train passes (in the "facing points" direction)?



(3) Biggest issue of all - and remember I'm speaking of THREE rail - you

would be using the normally (-) wheels/axles to complete a (+) power

circuit. Sounds like an instant short to me.



Thanks in advance!



Dick Hosmer























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58053 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Bill,

I have done this with a reed switch and relay system. I am attaching a wiring diagram of how I do it. I attach a magnet usually to the engine of the train which activates the reed switch when it passes over it.

I actually have a little relay kit I sell for just this purpose.

Check it out at www.andermanflyer.com

You can also do this with Flyer pressure track trips but the disadvantage of that is that you cannot have the track attached to the layout surface and it also requires adaptations for track other than original Flyer track.

Let me know if this helps.


Mark Anderman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 11:12:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches






Happy New Year Folks,

Does anyone know of a method that makes the American Flyer switches into
non-derailing ones? The better grades of 3-rail switches have that
feature. It makes use of the extra rail to close a circuit when a pair
of conductive wheels (and axle) approach a switch from the wrong way.
When the wheels complete the circuit, the switch throws and the train
proceeds without a problem. It is a simple, elegant and reliable
solution. Since we have only the two rails, I suppose we would need some
sort of external sensor.

Has anyone made a gadget like that work?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58054 From: michael robinson Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: well i have tryed
my new layout will be better ,and i hope u like it dont for get its cost  me a lot toget fleyer to here but i love it so say tuned


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58055 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/2/2010
Subject:
I too was a member and remembered the magazines and my interactions with frank fondly. about 10 years ago my train collection was stolen and I dropped out at that time. I recently got reinterested and I am having a blast. Although electricity is electricity, I am amazed at all the stuff I have learned about cab-2. It never dawned on me that it could be used with flyer.

Back to the Collector. Has anybody scanned any issues? If anybody who has issues, like the two people who kindly answered my inquiry, would like to work something out with me I am willing to do the scanning. my email is balc99@.... My recollection is that it had a lot of oddball articles and a lot of solid operating information.

Bobby Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 58056 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Derailing Switches
Hi Dick,



I don't know what is actually going on in those switches and different
manufacturers likely do things differently. I only know from an
empirical outlook. Any drawing I would produce might not be accurate as
to the actual wires even if the logic was OK. The logic of it would be
the same for 2-rail or for 3-rail. Sense the train somehow, close the
contact for the coil you need to actuate the switch and use a connection
that can support the current. Each part is somewhat simple. In this
case, the outside rails and the conductive axle are the momentary
contact switch.



Our colleague Mark Anderman has shown an approach that works for 2-rail
using an external sensor and relay in the place of the
outside-rails-wheels-axles connection. His drawing is better than
anything I could do and it is a direct fit for our S-gauge track. Visit
his site www.andermanflyer.com <http://www.andermanflyer.com/> and
check it out. That will be better and faster than my work would be.



JFred also tells us that we need some means to be sure the switch is
entirely thrown before we disconnect the power to the coil.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Hosmer
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non-Derailing Switches





Bill,

Thanks very much - but - I'm afraid it is not completely clear to me
what
you are saying.

If you have a drawing program which will import into Word, could you
make up
a diagram? Oh wait, I believe this forum strips all attachments.

Would it be possible to send a simple sketch - at your leisure! - to POB
1367 Colusa CA 95932?

Many thanks.

Dick





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58057 From: rep928 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle
Opened it up and cleaned the coils and end points. Looking at the rollers, the one on the right is clearly pitted and smaller than the one on the lift. There is also evidence of arc pitting on the solid brass high power end area. So, I have swapped it out with another transformer and will put rollers on "to buy" parts list. Thanks! - Roy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote:
>
> As already pointed out - check rollers, alignment, spring arm tension and positioning (sometimes you have to pull them down a bit to get appropriate pressure, but not too much or no more "dead man" effect with hot spots when the handle is up), cleanliness of coil and end-points over which roller rolls are all good to start with. Also with a 30B the wire from the turret post can look fine but be fatigued under the insulation so you can't see it, but that will effect power output when in certain positions along the "0-120 mph" range. I've had to replace them on most 30Bs for dependabe full range performance.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58058 From: rep928 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: North Carolina S-gauge
I will be temporarily relocating to Durham NC for the next three months. Any clubs, shops, etc. I should be checking out? Happy New Year to all - Roy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58059 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
I've been following your loader project from the beginning. Glad to see it all turned out so nicely. I enjoy making the "junk box" accessories look new again, too, and since the ones with "nicks and dings and missing things" are the ones I can afford, I allow myself to take some liberties with paint color, etc., as well.
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 5:22:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader






Thanks Jim, as yes, there is a kitchen sink in those pictures.

I think there are some before and after pictures as the barrel ramp was nicked up and repainted.

So, if the pictures show a nicked up green ramp, continue to see the finished repainted ramp.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jimensign50@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader

Finally! Someone has managed to include EVERYTHING, including the KITCHEN SINK, in his layout!! LOL Nice job, Mike.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" < mlmarmer@... >
To: "S trains" < s-trains@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 1:31:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

My complete makeover of my AF Drum Loader is done.

I redid the brick work I already had on it as it was pieces on each wall. Now each wall is one solid sheet.

I painted the windows and door earth color. I got AF Green Pullman paint from Doug Peck, as the ramp for the barrels was all chipped up, exposing yellow, plus the roof got painted. Paint was a bit thick, so I thinned it down. The base is now age concrete.

I might get a repro fork lift and paint it yellow and a new repro man. I can get that at York this April.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58060 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Just
One reason is L doesn't make it easy. Your comment about the correct electronics got me thinking. What is the correct use of the powermaster (or tpc 300/400). Should every variable voltage post have one. If one has a new ZW, do you need 1,2,3, or 4? Let's assume that A and D are running trains and B & C are running accessories. To make it simple lets say only lights or similar objects are on b, but things like sawmill, oil drum loader etc etc are on C where each accessory might have a different optimum voltage.


The retail train business has always been tough. And now that the internet has replaced mail order with its instant access and you are squeezed on the other end by volume dealers and L's particularly high prices, it is sad. Where will people get the customer service of the past.

With that said, and not seeming to be vulture like, are you having any kind of a sale on any remaining inventory?
Bobby Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 58061 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Another question. Does the same comment apply to accessories? Ones with merely updated electronics or only those that are tmcc. How about any of the action cars? switches or operating tracks?

Is fastrack also part of this equation.

What about third party modern transformers like MRC or Right of Way or Mike's

Bobby Abrams




________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 9:01:39 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Just a tip from the hobby shop...


Well, G&M Train & Hobby is history as of yesterday. Twenty two years as a Lionel dealer and the only Service Station in the area is ended. What we have learned something in all those years, so here's a tip:
If you have a Flyonel Pacific or Mikado with TMCC, or the Big Boy with TMCC legacy, be advised that none of the Lionel products in S or O gauge run their best on old transformers. Yes, they DO run, but not up to their full potential, and often with various problems. There is also the problem with the circuit breaker not kicking out quickly enough to save the electronics. In about 70% of the fried circuit board problems we've seen in both gauges, they were run on old transformers. The rest of the time, it was a factory defect.
All Lionel locos with TMCC do their best with the complete TMCC system operating them. I suspect that while you can run the Big Boy on TMCC, upgrading to the new Legacy system will give you better performance.
Please spend the money for the correct control system! The difference in operation is one benefit, the safety of the circuit boards is the other. So many people in our area refused to do this, were too cheap or thought they knew better, and in almost every case we got the train back for repair, or it was sent straight to Lionel.
This is the age of electronics and you must use electronics to operate these trains reliably and safely. A dead locomotive does nothing for your peace of mind, pocket book, or enthusiasm for trains.
Stumpy Stone...former hobby shop guy...Martins Ferry, OH.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58062 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop
My experience with electronics is limited. Mike, our repair guy is where the "rule of thumb" comes from. He says: "Run old trains on old power, and new trains on new power." The big problem, again and again was the old circuit breakers not being able to protect the electronics.
Old motors, smoke units, headlights, reverse units, etc. withstood more amperage than modern circuit boards can.
Our "resident" electronics specialist and Lionel Service Station operator Carl Tuveson could explain the problem better than I.
If you put a newer type, faster acting circuit breaker in the line, you might be okay when it comes to saving the electronics. Several others on this list have done this successfully as this has all been discussed before.
Operating systems such as TMCC, DCC, etc. are a different matter altogether. The electronics in the locomotive are controlled by the electronics in the power and control system. There are features in the locomotive which you cannot access without the right control system. Our experience with TMCC shows that the train operates better when run on the TMCC system as well.
So basically, you run the train with the matching power and control system to be safe and get best operation. Sure, you can do any number of variations, but unless you completely understand what you are doing, my advice is not to try it unless you have a lot of money and patience for expensive repairs. You can easily tie up more cash in repairing electronics than you would in buying the correct system to start with.
Stumpy Stone..former hobby shop guy.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58063 From: Dave Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: We Care
Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on the subject.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
dave@...
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 58064 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
Happy New Year everyone!

Can someone tell me if the GG-1 sounds are triggered pre-recorded sounds or constant sounds. In other words, Does the horn continue to blow as long as you hold the button down, or do you press the button momentarily and it plays a predetermined length of sound.

The reason for asking is that someone kindly posted a schematic (well actually two schematics) for an AM/Ott horn/bell control.

The first consists of 8 diodes and two spdt pushbutton switches. The notes say that this will not slow the loco but will drop the track voltage by ~3v.

The second circuit consists of only two diodes and the same two spdt pushbuttons. This one is noted that it will slow the loco but works well with pre-recorded sounds that only need a momentary trigger.

I am going to build one of these but would like to know which one is appropriate for the GG-1. If the first circuit is used I will add a spdt toggle to the box to bypass the circuit when other locos (that would not do well with the voltage drop) are being run.

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 58065 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Jim,

Thanks as I when I started that project, it was just to be having the base painted and then walls being "bricked" over, as I was doing each wall in pieces due to the windows.

I did not like how that looked, so, I decided to do each wall as one piece, using engineering measuring skills, LOL, to cut out the window. Once I got the brick done, then I could use the box knife to trim more of the window and door frame. Then I did not like the chipped up green paint, so I knew Doug has AF paint and he recommended the Pullman green. that worked out fine. A bit shiny, but I can take some dull coat to it. Then I painted the windows and door. So, what started out to be something just quick ended up to be something else in the end. LOL

I might get a repro fork light and man in April and paint the fork lift yellow, as I do not want to paint the original fork lift, since that is in good shape. It might get me millions on ebay one day. Just kidding.

Funny, I still remember how and where I brought this Oil Drum Loader from Lionel Buy and Sell in Kensington, MD. He is a TCA member and the shop is half trains and half guns!

It is very easy to do these things to make things look better, just like the Plasticville.

thanks Jim.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: jimensign50@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader



I've been following your loader project from the beginning. Glad to see it all turned out so nicely. I enjoy making the "junk box" accessories look new again, too, and since the ones with "nicks and dings and missing things" are the ones I can afford, I allow myself to take some liberties with paint color, etc., as well.
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 5:22:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader

Thanks Jim, as yes, there is a kitchen sink in those pictures.

I think there are some before and after pictures as the barrel ramp was nicked up and repainted.

So, if the pictures show a nicked up green ramp, continue to see the finished repainted ramp.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jimensign50@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader

Finally! Someone has managed to include EVERYTHING, including the KITCHEN SINK, in his layout!! LOL Nice job, Mike.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" < mlmarmer@... >
To: "S trains" < s-trains@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 1:31:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

My complete makeover of my AF Drum Loader is done.

I redid the brick work I already had on it as it was pieces on each wall. Now each wall is one solid sheet.

I painted the windows and door earth color. I got AF Green Pullman paint from Doug Peck, as the ramp for the barrels was all chipped up, exposing yellow, plus the roof got painted. Paint was a bit thick, so I thinned it down. The base is now age concrete.

I might get a repro fork lift and paint it yellow and a new repro man. I can get that at York this April.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58066 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: More electrical stuff...
I do a LOT of running at train shows and other displays with both S gauge and On30. I must put a premium on smooth, reliable, operation for hours at a time. Many years ago, I realized that the K.I.S.S. principle was the for best for this: Keep It Simple Stupid!
Using the KISS principle is also a lot less hassle running trains at home.
Having had many years experience in all scales, I decided to go with straight DC power. This allowed me to eliminate the balky reverse unit and also use a DC can motor that starts and runs more smoothly, draws less juice, and runs cooler. I use a regular MRC 6200 pack.
All of today's model trains run with DC can motors and the circuit boards, which include the reverse units, convert AC track power to DC motor power.
One thing I learned was that running old accessories with solenoid activation on DC power will ruin them after a time because the slug inside the solenoid motor will magnetize. I ruined an OLD operating brakeman caboose by using it on straight DC. The old stuff was designed to operate on AC, so now, no OLD operating cars are used, and trackside accessories are powered by an AC transformer.
I run a MODERN walking brakeman car on straight DC with no problem because the motor in it is a DC can motor and the electronics will work either way.
Once again, the rule of thumb I go by is to use the power that matches the train!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58067 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Dear Dave,
Just curious, do you print your own decals or send out the artwork?
Don

On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dave wrote:

> Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model
> train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they
> were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises
> really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why
> we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or
> some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN
> AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on
> the subject.
> Dave
>
> LBR Restorations U.S.A.
> DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
> P.O. Box 494
> Goshen, KY 40026
> dave@...
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58068 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Just a tip from the hobby shop...
Bobby,

I am using a MRC Pure Power transformer and it works just fine.

In a way, the newer transformers are probably safer, as cords might be old and the technology is better. I am not saying that the old transformers are not good anymore, but if you go with a new one, you will be fine.

I use track from www.classictrains.com and track is a one time expense that will last a life time. It looks great and I use their rock ballast. I have said this many times, but Roger Carp of CTT told me that the right ballast makes the layout look good and he likes my ballast, as the layout will be in CTT late this year.

I used roadbed from Vinyl Roadbed. I have allot of layout pictures on this site in photos under Train table, as it starts with the wood work of the table.

I also am using DCC and I have converted many action cars over to DCC through SnS trains. You do not need a third rail and they work anywhere on the layout. I have 2 box cars, lumber car and log dump car converted. I just got a auto repro unloader and that will be done this year. Mail Pick up and cattle car can not be converted to DCC I am told.

I am using AF accessories on the layout and that is done still the same way.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Abrams
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Just a tip from the hobby shop...



Another question. Does the same comment apply to accessories? Ones with merely updated electronics or only those that are tmcc. How about any of the action cars? switches or operating tracks?

Is fastrack also part of this equation.

What about third party modern transformers like MRC or Right of Way or Mike's

Bobby Abrams

________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 9:01:39 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Just a tip from the hobby shop...

Well, G&M Train & Hobby is history as of yesterday. Twenty two years as a Lionel dealer and the only Service Station in the area is ended. What we have learned something in all those years, so here's a tip:
If you have a Flyonel Pacific or Mikado with TMCC, or the Big Boy with TMCC legacy, be advised that none of the Lionel products in S or O gauge run their best on old transformers. Yes, they DO run, but not up to their full potential, and often with various problems. There is also the problem with the circuit breaker not kicking out quickly enough to save the electronics. In about 70% of the fried circuit board problems we've seen in both gauges, they were run on old transformers. The rest of the time, it was a factory defect.
All Lionel locos with TMCC do their best with the complete TMCC system operating them. I suspect that while you can run the Big Boy on TMCC, upgrading to the new Legacy system will give you better performance.
Please spend the money for the correct control system! The difference in operation is one benefit, the safety of the circuit boards is the other. So many people in our area refused to do this, were too cheap or thought they knew better, and in almost every case we got the train back for repair, or it was sent straight to Lionel.
This is the age of electronics and you must use electronics to operate these trains reliably and safely. A dead locomotive does nothing for your peace of mind, pocket book, or enthusiasm for trains.
Stumpy Stone...former hobby shop guy...Martins Ferry, OH.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58069 From: michael prell Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: More electrical stuff...
Hey, Man! If it works for you, then it works for me, Stump! Thanks for the input! HNY!
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More electrical stuff...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:10 AM


 



I do a LOT of running at train shows and other displays with both S gauge and On30. I must put a premium on smooth, reliable, operation for hours at a time. Many years ago, I realized that the K.I.S.S. principle was the for best for this: Keep It Simple Stupid!
Using the KISS principle is also a lot less hassle running trains at home.
Having had many years experience in all scales, I decided to go with straight DC power. This allowed me to eliminate the balky reverse unit and also use a DC can motor that starts and runs more smoothly, draws less juice, and runs cooler. I use a regular MRC 6200 pack.
All of today's model trains run with DC can motors and the circuit boards, which include the reverse units, convert AC track power to DC motor power.
One thing I learned was that running old accessories with solenoid activation on DC power will ruin them after a time because the slug inside the solenoid motor will magnetize. I ruined an OLD operating brakeman caboose by using it on straight DC. The old stuff was designed to operate on AC, so now, no OLD operating cars are used, and trackside accessories are powered by an AC transformer.
I run a MODERN walking brakeman car on straight DC with no problem because the motor in it is a DC can motor and the electronics will work either way.
Once again, the rule of thumb I go by is to use the power that matches the train!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58070 From: wisner_mark Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: More electrical stuff...
Stumpy - I am running DCC how will this effect my accessories such as lighted cars. All my motors are DC I am running AF and some S- helper . Using an old AC transformer to power turnouts and other AF track side acces.

Can you recommend an AC power pack 18 volts - 200 watts. I want to mount it under my layout.
Thanks
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 58071 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: 2009 Christmas Village/Layout
Here's a few of photos of my 2009 Christmas layout.
More photos will be added.
http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Christmas-Layout-2009

Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 58072 From: michael prell Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Dave,
I DO like the sound of THAT! Maybe there is hope after all! Keep on keepin' on! HNY!
Mike-S-now bound in S-yracuse-Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:


From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 9:04 AM


 



Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on the subject.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58073 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Dave,
I, for one, APPLAUD you for saying & living it. The ONLY way this country
is going to survive is to return to manufacturing IN this Country.
According to the AAR site, China expects to produce 400 million tons of
steel in 2010, the US 78 million. Am I the only one seeing a problem
here????


Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/2/2010 10:04:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lbrenterprisesllc@... writes:

We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR
AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on the subject.
Dave



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58074 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Latest on Layout
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/87943652/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

Latest pictures of the layout.

The re-done Barrel Loader on layout with the AFC building as landscaping is not done yet.

I have a piece of flat black foam for a parking lot and roadway done the middle to the white area on the table for the AFC building. then I will fill it in with grass and small buildings. The men on the AFC building I painted myself.

Landscaping around the Sawmill.

I lowered the repro track gang to be table level with a jig saw. I never used a jig saw before. LOL I did not destroy the table.

Sieling Modern Furniture Billboard. You must be wondering what the heck is that thing. This is a actually billboard in Railroad, PA, that can only be seen from the York Rail trail, no roads, as that is the way the Furniture Store wanted it, to be seen from Passenger service trains. The billboard dates back to 1947, the store closed in 1971 and the rail line stopped service in the late 70's. The billboard survives, but barely. A TCA friend, Bill Zide made me the print of my photo of this billboard, as I have the photos I took of it in the photo Album. He was able to get rid of the overhead spot lights and shadows of the light for me. I was able to make the billboard by copying a billboard I have like this on the layout. I made the way walk from the wood I used for the billboard itself. It really looks good, as it is a relic of the past that exist in the D&K RR Company town. Hugo is too cheap to pay to have it torn down and he cannot get another advertiser to take it's place.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58075 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
One of the reasons we favor Dallee reverse units and sound units is that
very same "made in the USA".
They are made and sold with pride. The first thing we asked when we were
considering taking on the line was "where are they made?" The owner Dallas
Gutaker (thus Dallee Electronics) said...."USA". We have been handling his
products since 1999.
Go Broncos! ( Fiesta Bowl 2010)

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 01/02/2010 11:13:47 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mlprell@... writes:




Dave,
I DO like the sound of THAT! Maybe there is hope after all! Keep on
keepin' on! HNY!
Mike-S-now bound in S-yracuse-Prell


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Dave <_lbrenterprisesllc@lbrenterp_
(mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) > wrote:

From: Dave <_lbrenterprisesllc@lbrenterp_
(mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) >
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 9:04 AM



Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model train
businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they were there
would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises really care about
our clients past, present and future. That is why we produce our decals
here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or some where else. We strongly
beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That
is all we have to say on the subject.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58076 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: 2009 Christmas Village/Layout
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Evans
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 Christmas Village/Layout





Here's a few of photos of my 2009 Christmas layout.
More photos will be added.
http://myflyertrain
<http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Christmas-Layout-2009>
s.org/gallery/Christmas-Layout-2009

Rick

._,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58077 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: New Layout Video
Hi All,

I posted a video showing three freight trains running on my under construction layout. You can check them out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuVf-9P-ng

I hope you enjoy the videos!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58078 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Don,
     We do all of the printing and art work here at the shop in Goshen Kentucky.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 
 

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:


From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:46 AM


 



Dear Dave,
Just curious, do you print your own decals or send out the artwork?
Don

On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dave wrote:

> Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model
> train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they
> were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises
> really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why
> we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or
> some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN
> AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on
> the subject.
> Dave
>
> LBR Restorations U.S.A.
> DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
> P.O. Box 494
> Goshen, KY 40026
> dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
> www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58079 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: RE;More electrical stuff...
Running track power seperately from trackside accessory power is ALWAYS a good idea in any scale! While I'm into straight DC power, trackside accessories are still AC powered using an old Lionel AC transformer that the G&M Train & Hopbby guys rebuilt some years ago.
Again, it is smart to match the power with the use. The few accessories I use are old Flyer, so they are matched with an old AC transformer. Although I don't happen to have a need for such a thing, a DC powered "action car" could be used with an AC trackside accessory as long as the two are electrically seperated.
Steve Blackburn at SnS Trains converts locos and accessories to DCC for those of you who operate with DCC.
Carl Tuveson converts old Flyer to TMCC if that is your style. he even posts great "How to do it" things on his website!
Depending on how much money you have to spend, and how "convenient" you want you railroad to be, you can convert switches, accessories and just about anything else to either DCC or TMCC if you wish.
As I stated before, I tend to go for keeping things simple for reliable running, which is also least costly and easier to trouble shoot and repair.
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 58080 From: mike Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: tmcc
i am planning on ordering tmcc. i am going to get the 6-12969 TMCC Command set. what should i get transformer wise? i was thinking about the Lionel 6-22983 180 watt Powerhouse. would this work good? do i need anything else? Thanks, Mike J.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58081 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Good for you Dave!! We've got to bring/keep production back to our country. It was a tough lesson to learn, but hopefully the big boys have learned it as well. I can still remember going into my local Wal-Mart 20-some years ago and how they were touting products with "Made in USA" stickers. They hooked a lot of us as buyers on that. But look at their merchandise now. It's pathetic.
Jim E.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 7:04:14 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care






Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on the subject.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
dave@...
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58082 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Dave,

I thought it might be done at your secret hide out at the Wig Wam Motel in Kentucky.

Just kidding.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care



Don,
We do all of the printing and art work here at the shop in Goshen Kentucky.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.



--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:46 AM



Dear Dave,
Just curious, do you print your own decals or send out the artwork?
Don

On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dave wrote:

> Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model
> train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they
> were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises
> really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why
> we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or
> some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN
> AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on
> the subject.
> Dave
>
> LBR Restorations U.S.A.
> DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
> P.O. Box 494
> Goshen, KY 40026
> dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
> www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58083 From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "N Becker" <nabecker@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well I finally received my key last night. Now to see how well it works.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Installed TM with the key provided; appears to be a kluged program.

I then downloaded the image files and ran the setup file but TM will not display images; says image files not installed.

Emailed them and have not received any response as of yet.

TrainTracker had it's own faults but at least it worked from the get go.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58084 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Dear Dave,
Thank you for your quick response. Just curious, what type of
printer do you use?
Happy New Year,
Don

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote:

> Don,
> We do all of the printing and art work here at the shop in
> Goshen Kentucky.
> Dave
>
> LBR Restorations U.S.A.
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:46 AM
>
>
>
> Dear Dave,
> Just curious, do you print your own decals or send out the artwork?
> Don
>
> On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dave wrote:
>
> > Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model
> > train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they
> > were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises
> > really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why
> > we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or
> > some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN
> > AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on
> > the subject.
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Restorations U.S.A.
> > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
> > P.O. Box 494
> > Goshen, KY 40026
> > dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
> > www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58085 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout
Mike, Hurricane Agnes took out the Northern Central RR in August 1972.

They reopened the line for the use of the Stewartstown RR in the 1980's, but

along with an ill fated dinner train revival, that is now defunct also.

two miles south of Railroad is New Freedom, Pa. That town was laid out

for employees of the Pennsylvania RR and the old Northern Central was the

connector between Harrisburg, Pa. and Baltimore, Md. Railroads did shape

the local economies and towns, I grew up outside Glen Rock, Pa. in
Centerville.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:15 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout





http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/87943652/v
iew?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/87943652/
view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

Latest pictures of the layout.

The re-done Barrel Loader on layout with the AFC building as landscaping is
not done yet.

I have a piece of flat black foam for a parking lot and roadway done the
middle to the white area on the table for the AFC building. then I will fill
it in with grass and small buildings. The men on the AFC building I painted
myself.

Landscaping around the Sawmill.

I lowered the repro track gang to be table level with a jig saw. I never
used a jig saw before. LOL I did not destroy the table.

Sieling Modern Furniture Billboard. You must be wondering what the heck is
that thing. This is a actually billboard in Railroad, PA, that can only be
seen from the York Rail trail, no roads, as that is the way the Furniture
Store wanted it, to be seen from Passenger service trains. The billboard
dates back to 1947, the store closed in 1971 and the rail line stopped
service in the late 70's. The billboard survives, but barely. A TCA friend,
Bill Zide made me the print of my photo of this billboard, as I have the
photos I took of it in the photo Album. He was able to get rid of the
overhead spot lights and shadows of the light for me. I was able to make the
billboard by copying a billboard I have like this on the layout. I made the
way walk from the wood I used for the billboard itself. It really looks
good, as it is a relic of the past that exist in the D&K RR Company town.
Hugo is too cheap to pay to have it torn down and he cannot get another
advertiser to take it's place.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58086 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Video
Thanks BG,



I enjoy the progress updates and seeing the trains run so well.



This must be a big weekend for 3/16ths tank cars. A guy over on the Marx
list ran a long string behind a fine looking and fine running Pacific.
If you can stand to see three rails, take a look at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tig8dc20fQA and see even more 3/16ths
tankers running. The tank train starts about 40 seconds into the video
for those who choose to bypass some excellent tinplate running before
the tank train.



Happy New Year,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Video





Hi All,

I posted a video showing three freight trains running on my under
construction layout. You can check them out here:

http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuVf-9P-ng>
com/watch?v=JQuVf-9P-ng

I hope you enjoy the videos!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58087 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
I might have been the one who originally posted the circuits.

The point of the multi diode setup is that it takes 3v off the transformer
ALL the time- thus an 18v output is reduced to 15V with this device. When
the horn blows the voltage shows no drop and stays at 15V
I recommend the multi diode set up and use it. I also have a box with single
diodes but it slows the engine while tooting. Also be advised that the
control box holding the diodes can get somewhat warm so ventilate it with
air holes.

Specific to the GG1- I the horn is a tone with no programming.
The bell is similar but alternates uses a trigger for off and on.

email=csmith290@...
web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/
Group: S-Trains Message: 58088 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/3/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58089 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
I have a L/AF #48010, Milwaukee Road, GE FP-5 electric. Whenever I use the horn, the engine slows down considerably. I wonder if this diode arrangement might take care of this problem?
Pat, in (Snowy) Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles E. Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AM GG-1 Horn and bell



I might have been the one who originally posted the circuits.

The point of the multi diode setup is that it takes 3v off the transformer
ALL the time- thus an 18v output is reduced to 15V with this device. When
the horn blows the voltage shows no drop and stays at 15V
I recommend the multi diode set up and use it. I also have a box with single
diodes but it slows the engine while tooting. Also be advised that the
control box holding the diodes can get somewhat warm so ventilate it with
air holes.

Specific to the GG1- I the horn is a tone with no programming.
The bell is similar but alternates uses a trigger for off and on.

email=csmith290@...
web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58090 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
That would work fine. I use an old 1950's Lionel ZW transformer for my TMCC
operations.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 01/02/2010 1:35:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
civicman_97@... writes:




i am planning on ordering tmcc. i am going to get the 6-12969 TMCC Command
set. what should i get transformer wise? i was thinking about the Lionel
6-22983 180 watt Powerhouse. would this work good? do i need anything else?
Thanks, Mike J.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58091 From: Lennis Hall Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
I could be wrong, but I believe the 6-12969 TMCC set includes a command base (6-12911) that requires additional equipment to work and is very expensive to buy . I think you actually need and will be happier with the set that includes the 6-12867 command base.  There is only one CAB-1 control unit, so that doesn't matter.  Our club uses a 6-12867 and a CAB-1 for each track.  They work great on both older and newer trains.  I also use them on my own layout.
I made the mistake of buying the 6-12969 set first and ended up spending another $400 before it would work right.  After I bought the set I should have bought in the first place, I stopped using the 6-12969 and and all the extra stuff I had to buy put it back in the boxes and that is where it is today.
Len

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] tmcc
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:34 PM







 









That would work fine. I use an old 1950's Lionel ZW transformer for my TMCC

operations.



Steve

SnS Trains





In a message dated 01/02/2010 1:35:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,

civicman_97@ yahoo.com writes:



i am planning on ordering tmcc. i am going to get the 6-12969 TMCC Command

set. what should i get transformer wise? i was thinking about the Lionel

6-22983 180 watt Powerhouse. would this work good? do i need anything else?

Thanks, Mike J.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58092 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Simply downloading the images doesn't get them installed into TrainMinder.  You need to execute the install step.


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From: nabecker@... <nabecker@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trainminder
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:10 PM







 













--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "N Becker" <nabecker@.. .> wrote:

>

>

> Well I finally received my key last night. Now to see how well it works.

>

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>

Installed TM with the key provided; appears to be a kluged program.



I then downloaded the image files and ran the setup file but TM will not display images; says image files not installed.



Emailed them and have not received any response as of yet.



TrainTracker had it's own faults but at least it worked from the get go.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58093 From: michael prell Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Speaker Needed
I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Mike Prell

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58094 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: And the winner of the book is ......
Wow..... I kept forgetting to put all of the names in a hat and pick a winner
of the "Toy Train Memories" book!
So, I put all the names in a hat this evening ...... and I had my dear, sweet,
90 year old mom pick out a name.
And the winner is ....... JOHN HARVEY from down in Australia!

Congrats John! The book will be in the mail soon!
I believe I had 27 names in the hat. Thanks to all for playing!

Happy New Year to all!

Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 58095 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/3/2010
Subject:
I had no trouble with trainminder. Did you run the demo? Train tracker doesn't work under Win7, 64 bit. I did have a most difficult time dl the image files. I usually use a download accelerator. the trainminder website didn't like it I wound up dl each file a few times, since they continually were failing crc checks. I "manually" dl them using "save as" . If it installs properly it will add the image files to the database. I was just going to start working with it again. Will let you know if these new images do anything.

I don't know if I understood your comment but I certainly would like it if their was a report, even if only for onscreen viewing, where you could easily see your items and the image. I would also like it if in the inventory list there was a field that indicated whether a picture was present.

Well I am still learning the program. For whatever reason train tracker never appealed to me so i know nothing of its features. This is certainly head and shoulders above mitrains.

Since i have it working in a difficult environment (reasonably state of the art etc etc) i can attest that the program is capable of working. Hopefully they have kept up with parts of this thread. You can email me directly balc99@... if you think i can offer any help

This program has a lot of nice features. It also has an installed user base of only 1100. We should aim as a group and as users to try and help them improve the product so it survives. The idea of having all collectors and operators joined in one database is intriguing.

Bobby Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 58096 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: tmcc
skip cab-1 and go straight to cab-2. I never thought about it but it did strike me as strange at first that all you flyer guys are using cab but i guess electricity is electricity. I have learned so much because everybody uses this stuff somewhat differently.

if you are determined to use cab-1 you can probably find a used one real cheap. Although its very pricey, you are probably better off with a new-style zw. I haven't figured out yet how to use the powermasters

Bobby Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 58097 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care
Don,
     We have 6 ALPS machines going about 4 days a week and some times 6 days a week.
     We do a lot of CUSTOM work plus we have more than 600 "S" sale decals on our web site.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 
 


--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:


From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 4:42 PM


 



Dear Dave,
Thank you for your quick response. Just curious, what type of
printer do you use?
Happy New Year,
Don

On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote:

> Don,
> We do all of the printing and art work here at the shop in
> Goshen Kentucky.
> Dave
>
> LBR Restorations U.S.A.
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com> wrote:
>
> From: Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:46 AM
>
>
>
> Dear Dave,
> Just curious, do you print your own decals or send out the artwork?
> Don
>
> On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dave wrote:
>
> > Just a little add on to the thread about hobby shops. Not all model
> > train businesses on-line are in it just for the bottom line, if they
> > were there would be a lot less out there. We here at LBR Enterprises
> > really care about our clients past, present and future. That is why
> > we produce our decals here in the GOOD OLD U.S.A. and not in Asia or
> > some where else. We strongly beleive in the motto "PRODUCED IN
> > AMERICA, BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS". That is all we have to say on
> > the subject.
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Restorations U.S.A.
> > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
> > P.O. Box 494
> > Goshen, KY 40026
> > dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
> > www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58098 From: glenn allen Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: We Care - from Dave
Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58099 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Glenn,
     We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
 
 
 


--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@...> wrote:


From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM


 



Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58100 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: AM GG-1 Horn and bell
Thanks for the info. And thanks for posting the schematics in the first place. I'll build the multi-diode control with a bypass toggle for locos that would not like the 3v drop. I have the parts around so I might also try the control that uses 2 D cells for today, just to hear the G's sounds.

Regards,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 58101 From: sgaugian Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Big Boy - whistle vs smoke
When I sound the whistle the smoke output decreases. Anyone else notice this? Have to sound the whistle heartily a few times while in motion, then high seems to knock down to medium, or medium to low depending on the original setting. I'm running it with a Cab2 and Legacy. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58102 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model  Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:


From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM


 



Glenn,
     We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
 
 
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM

 

Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58103 From: mike Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: need some help
hi, everyone. here is my delema that i hope you all can help me fix. i have already posted a thread about my new Mikado not smoking but i just wanted to give you all more information about the problem. I am currently using a American Flyer 8b with 100 watts and it puts out 15.8 volts on my volt meter. when i have the locomotive in neutral with the full 15.8 volts the smoke unit is very week. meaning the smoke does not come out of the skack except for a little swispy line that comes and goes. Yesterday i went to the greenberg train show and was looking at the s gauge layout and the Mikados were smoking like crazy even when they were in neutral. is my smoke unit falty? what is the voltage that our suethe units operate at? Thanks, Mike J.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58104 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
There is a smoke regulator board that provides 4 volts for the smoke unit
in the Mikado.
If it is putting out close to 4 volts then the smoke unit is probably faulty
or plugged.

I have restored some life to weak Seuthe smoke units by running them with
5-6 volts from a power supply for a few minutes using a thin smoke fluid
like ANormal1's or equivalent to help clean the buildup out of the element.
When the unit smokes again at 4 volts you are done treating it.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of mike
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:00 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] need some help



hi, everyone. here is my delema that i hope you all can help me fix. i
have already posted a thread about my new Mikado not smoking but i just
wanted to give you all more information about the problem. I am currently
using a American Flyer 8b with 100 watts and it puts out 15.8 volts on my
volt meter. when i have the locomotive in neutral with the full 15.8 volts
the smoke unit is very week. meaning the smoke does not come out of the
skack except for a little swispy line that comes and goes. Yesterday i went
to the greenberg train show and was looking at the s gauge layout and the
Mikados were smoking like crazy even when they were in neutral. is my smoke
unit falty? what is the voltage that our suethe units operate at? Thanks,
Mike J.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58105 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Robert,
     The post one way to London from here without insurance in the envelops we use at a business rate with the necessay customs forms is $2.75 USD. We do not charge handling fees!
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:16 AM


 



Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model  Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM

 

Glenn,
     We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
 
 
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM

 

Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58106 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Dave... No offense ment.... 2.75 plus your great product......Whats the problem???.... I would pay it to have them shipped to me.... Your post seemed like to me it was cost prohitive to ship to our mates over in Great Britian.... Bob
Now if I could find some German Markings for my model planes!!! In 1/72...1/4...1/32...1/24
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:


From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:56 AM


 



Robert,
     The post one way to London from here without insurance in the envelops we use at a business rate with the necessay customs forms is $2.75 USD. We do not charge handling fees!
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:16 AM

 

Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model  Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM

 

Glenn,
     We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
 
 
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM

 

Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58107 From: mike jones Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Thanks Carl. should i take it in to a lionel service station or should i try an do what you said? 
 Mike J.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:


From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] need some help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 11:00 AM


 



There is a smoke regulator board that provides 4 volts for the smoke unit
in the Mikado.
If it is putting out close to 4 volts then the smoke unit is probably faulty
or plugged.

I have restored some life to weak Seuthe smoke units by running them with
5-6 volts from a power supply for a few minutes using a thin smoke fluid
like ANormal1's or equivalent to help clean the buildup out of the element.
When the unit smokes again at 4 volts you are done treating it.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of mike
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:00 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] need some help

hi, everyone. here is my delema that i hope you all can help me fix. i
have already posted a thread about my new Mikado not smoking but i just
wanted to give you all more information about the problem. I am currently
using a American Flyer 8b with 100 watts and it puts out 15.8 volts on my
volt meter. when i have the locomotive in neutral with the full 15.8 volts
the smoke unit is very week. meaning the smoke does not come out of the
skack except for a little swispy line that comes and goes. Yesterday i went
to the greenberg train show and was looking at the s gauge layout and the
Mikados were smoking like crazy even when they were in neutral. is my smoke
unit falty? what is the voltage that our suethe units operate at? Thanks,
Mike J.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58108 From: Dave Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: WWII Posters
Don, You may want to check out the link below and near the bottom of that page:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html

Although we have only 10 posters listed we have more than 50 different posters like these that our 1940's modelers like to use.
Dave

LBR Restoratins U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58109 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: NEED SOME HELP
I get get about my fluid working in all smoke units & helping to soften
hard wicks. Heres my deal to you Mikej, and all others. Order a bottle & if
it does not work for you as I have stated or as others have said it has
helped their units, old Gilbert & new LTI, I will refund your $$$ back
shipping too. Mike
PS: Just E-mail me, with your address & promise to send payment


Michael Strickland
Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Or
97501


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58110 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
If it is under warranty take it to a Service Station for sure. If it is less than 3 years old and you have owned it for less than one year and have the Dealer receipt it is under warranty.

Otherwise depends on your comfort and skills in disassembly etc.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mike jones
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:32 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] need some help



Thanks Carl. should i take it in to a lionel service station or should i try an do what you said?
Mike J.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] need some help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 11:00 AM



There is a smoke regulator board that provides 4 volts for the smoke unit
in the Mikado.
If it is putting out close to 4 volts then the smoke unit is probably faulty
or plugged.

I have restored some life to weak Seuthe smoke units by running them with
5-6 volts from a power supply for a few minutes using a thin smoke fluid
like ANormal1's or equivalent to help clean the buildup out of the element.
When the unit smokes again at 4 volts you are done treating it.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of mike
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:00 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] need some help

hi, everyone. here is my delema that i hope you all can help me fix. i
have already posted a thread about my new Mikado not smoking but i just
wanted to give you all more information about the problem. I am currently
using a American Flyer 8b with 100 watts and it puts out 15.8 volts on my
volt meter. when i have the locomotive in neutral with the full 15.8 volts
the smoke unit is very week. meaning the smoke does not come out of the
skack except for a little swispy line that comes and goes. Yesterday i went
to the greenberg train show and was looking at the s gauge layout and the
Mikados were smoking like crazy even when they were in neutral. is my smoke
unit falty? what is the voltage that our suethe units operate at? Thanks,
Mike J.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58111 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout
Thanks Robert for more explanation on the rail line, as yes, Agnes damage allot of things, including my beloved C&O Canal. It nearly torn down the Monocacy Aqueduct, a Aqueduct as long as the Washington Monument. I have pictures of how it bent the hand rails like a straw. the aqueduct was rebuilt in the 90's as it was incased in steel beams till them.

The York Rail Trail is wonderful.

Visit the New Freedom RR Museum and look for Mr. Neal and his Wife. they are in FL will March, but he is 81 worked for the CSX for 35 years or so. real nice people. they are volunteers and he loves S scale trains, as he told me he would never have a Lionel train, since the third rail and it was not detailed as AF. He runs HO trains at home and if he had it to do over he would go with S.

Again, anyone in that area. Say hello to them. They love to talk to you.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Ahrens
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout



Mike, Hurricane Agnes took out the Northern Central RR in August 1972.

They reopened the line for the use of the Stewartstown RR in the 1980's, but

along with an ill fated dinner train revival, that is now defunct also.

two miles south of Railroad is New Freedom, Pa. That town was laid out

for employees of the Pennsylvania RR and the old Northern Central was the

connector between Harrisburg, Pa. and Baltimore, Md. Railroads did shape

the local economies and towns, I grew up outside Glen Rock, Pa. in
Centerville.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:15 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/87943652/v
iew?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/87943652/
view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc

Latest pictures of the layout.

The re-done Barrel Loader on layout with the AFC building as landscaping is
not done yet.

I have a piece of flat black foam for a parking lot and roadway done the
middle to the white area on the table for the AFC building. then I will fill
it in with grass and small buildings. The men on the AFC building I painted
myself.

Landscaping around the Sawmill.

I lowered the repro track gang to be table level with a jig saw. I never
used a jig saw before. LOL I did not destroy the table.

Sieling Modern Furniture Billboard. You must be wondering what the heck is
that thing. This is a actually billboard in Railroad, PA, that can only be
seen from the York Rail trail, no roads, as that is the way the Furniture
Store wanted it, to be seen from Passenger service trains. The billboard
dates back to 1947, the store closed in 1971 and the rail line stopped
service in the late 70's. The billboard survives, but barely. A TCA friend,
Bill Zide made me the print of my photo of this billboard, as I have the
photos I took of it in the photo Album. He was able to get rid of the
overhead spot lights and shadows of the light for me. I was able to make the
billboard by copying a billboard I have like this on the layout. I made the
way walk from the wood I used for the billboard itself. It really looks
good, as it is a relic of the past that exist in the D&K RR Company town.
Hugo is too cheap to pay to have it torn down and he cannot get another
advertiser to take it's place.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58112 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Bob,
     The fact of the matter is that we do not charge for shipping, so we would have to absorb the increased postage which, in most cases, would delete any profit.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 11:22 AM


 



Dave... No offense ment.... 2.75 plus your great product..... .Whats the problem???.. .. I would pay it to have them shipped to me.... Your post seemed like to me it was cost prohitive to ship to our mates over in Great Britian.... Bob
Now if I could find some German Markings for my model planes!!! In 1/72...1/4.. .1/32...1/ 24
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:56 AM

 

Robert,
     The post one way to London from here without insurance in the envelops we use at a business rate with the necessay customs forms is $2.75 USD. We do not charge handling fees!
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:16 AM

 

Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model  Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM

 

Glenn,
     We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
 
 
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM

 

Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58113 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Trans-Atlantic Commerce
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
. . . . . . . What's the problem???.... I would pay it to have them shipped
to me.... . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > >
Is this a one-way ocean? I've imported decals from Scotland in dealer
quantities. They were not inexpensive, but it was the only source for what
I wanted, so we agreed on a price and did it.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA
Group: S-Trains Message: 58114 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Dave..... Sorry confused..... It seems to me that the only difference in shipping to me and shipping to our mates across the pond is DISTANCE.... So instead of a 2.00 stamp you put on a 3.00 stamp and we pay the extra buck+-.... ????? Bob
PS Free Decal deal still work.... would like to try one

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:


From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 1:48 PM


 



Bob,
     The fact of the matter is that we do not charge for shipping, so we would have to absorb the increased postage which, in most cases, would delete any profit.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

Dave... No offense ment.... 2.75 plus your great product..... .Whats the problem???.. .. I would pay it to have them shipped to me.... Your post seemed like to me it was cost prohitive to ship to our mates over in Great Britian.... Bob
Now if I could find some German Markings for my model planes!!! In 1/72...1/4.. .1/32...1/ 24
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:56 AM

 

Robert,
     The post one way to London from here without insurance in the envelops we use at a business rate with the necessay customs forms is $2.75 USD. We do not charge handling fees!
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:16 AM

 

Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model  Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM

 

Glenn,
     We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
 
 
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM

 

Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58115 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Bob,
     The FREE DECAL still works as per instructions..
Dave

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 2:35 PM


 



Dave..... Sorry confused.... . It seems to me that the only difference in shipping to me and shipping to our mates across the pond is DISTANCE.... So instead of a 2.00 stamp you put on a 3.00 stamp and we pay the extra buck+-.... ????? Bob
PS Free Decal deal still work.... would like to try one

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 1:48 PM

 

Bob,
     The fact of the matter is that we do not charge for shipping, so we would have to absorb the increased postage which, in most cases, would delete any profit.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

Dave... No offense ment.... 2.75 plus your great product..... .Whats the problem???.. .. I would pay it to have them shipped to me.... Your post seemed like to me it was cost prohitive to ship to our mates over in Great Britian.... Bob
Now if I could find some German Markings for my model planes!!! In 1/72...1/4.. .1/32...1/ 24
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:56 AM

 

Robert,
     The post one way to London from here without insurance in the envelops we use at a business rate with the necessay customs forms is $2.75 USD. We do not charge handling fees!
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:16 AM

 

Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model  Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM

 

Glenn,
     We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com
 
 
 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM

 

Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58116 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/3/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday January 3, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58117 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Wedding Veil
Just got back with my big purchase of white wedding veil material to be used for the backstop on the layout.

The back stop will be 4 inches high with the back being 4 wide and "wings" or sides of 2 inches long.

So getting there with the backstop.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58118 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Dave,

I hate to bother you but off hand can you tell me the size of the KCS herald ..your #8244 is? Is it possible to bring it down to 3/8" square for an engine nose? With the ALPS printer and your art work can you switch the color on that herald, what is red changes to yellow and what is yellow changes to red lettering. Making it a yellow out line and red line inside that a yellow field with red lettering? and 3/8" square?

I appreciate your time

gale hall
frisco91@...


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave



Bob,
The FREE DECAL still works as per instructions..
Dave


I hate to bother you b
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 2:35 PM



Dave..... Sorry confused.... . It seems to me that the only difference in shipping to me and shipping to our mates across the pond is DISTANCE.... So instead of a 2.00 stamp you put on a 3.00 stamp and we pay the extra buck+-.... ????? Bob
PS Free Decal deal still work.... would like to try one

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 1:48 PM



Bob,
The fact of the matter is that we do not charge for shipping, so we would have to absorb the increased postage which, in most cases, would delete any profit.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 11:22 AM



Dave... No offense ment.... 2.75 plus your great product..... .Whats the problem???.. .. I would pay it to have them shipped to me.... Your post seemed like to me it was cost prohitive to ship to our mates over in Great Britian.... Bob
Now if I could find some German Markings for my model planes!!! In 1/72...1/4.. .1/32...1/ 24
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:56 AM



Robert,
The post one way to London from here without insurance in the envelops we use at a business rate with the necessay customs forms is $2.75 USD. We do not charge handling fees!
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.


--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:16 AM



Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM



Glenn,
We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com




--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM



Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58119 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: Trans-Atlantic Commerce
One way ocean!!!!! Well slightly as its takes longer to go from the GB to US than from the US to GB!!!!!
 
Unless you use more FUEL to offset the prevailing winds to increase Airspeed so the Groundspeed is equal!!!!!
 
Someone once told me you could only go South from the North Pole!!!!
East or West depending on which way you turn... Would North be jumping up!!!!
 
Guess too much PIZZA for lunch.... Silly.... Bob
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote:


From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Trans-Atlantic Commerce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 2:47 PM


 



----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
. . . . . . . What's the problem???.. .. I would pay it to have them shipped
to me.... . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > >
Is this a one-way ocean? I've imported decals from Scotland in dealer
quantities. They were not inexpensive, but it was the only source for what
I wanted, so we agreed on a price and did it.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA









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Group: S-Trains Message: 58120 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: My answers to "powerful" questions...
Recently, I have gotten many personal e-mails about various conversions and custom modifications, types of power sources, and control systems. While I have been around this hobby for fifty years, I am NOT an electronics expert.
Therefore, my common sense, overall power recommendations are these:
If you run only old AC trains, you can stick with an old style transformer.
If you run only modern AC trains with electronics in them, use only a modern power pack.
If you run both new and old AC trains, play it safe and spend the money for a new type power pack. Yes, you can modify the old transformer with a new type "quick acting" circuit breaker to run the newer trains, but it will still never give you the fine control of a new pack.
If you are in traditional AC powered trains and want to move up to an AC based command control system, you can use TMCC or TMCC Legacy. Buy the complete system, don't try to "Mickey Mouse" it!
With accessories, use the power that matches the accessory! If modifying it to use a command control system, use the power that matches the system. This will certainly require modifications.
Now, let's say you want to run old AC, new AC, TMCC, and Locotrol. Then build and wire a seperate mainline for each different control system and run the right train on the right track. Or line up the correct power and control systems side by side for each train and install a "selector switch" to send the right power to the track for the train you are running.
I find so many people who want to run high dollar trains, yet cut corners with a cheap power source! BAD MOVE! The power is the heart of your railroad! Buy good stuff! Why run a $400. train with a used $35. transformer?
Once you move beyond the basic AC operation, you are moving into areas of electronics and custom installations or modifications for your particular needs. In this case, contact Carl Tuveson or Steve Blackburn, or someone else knowledgeable in doing this! Mistakes can be very expensive!
Stumpy Stone...getting ready for CHAT tonight.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58121 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
I have been using a Gilbert 18B transformer with my Flyonel TMCC engines for several years without problem.

I also use TMCC with the new American Models transformer. As long as the transformer puts out a nice sign wave at the correct voltage and has enough current capacity, what else do you need?

If you are worried about overloads, fuse the track! Fuses are much faster than breakers anyway, which would be better for protecting more delicate solid state electronics.

Works for me.

Chuck

http://www.myflyertrains.org

On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:10 PM, mike wrote:

> i am planning on ordering tmcc. i am going to get the 6-12969 TMCC Command set. what should i get transformer wise? i was thinking about the Lionel 6-22983 180 watt Powerhouse. would this work good? do i need anything else? Thanks, Mike J.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58122 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Mike - any idea of the physical and electrical parameters of the speaker? E.G. physical size and shape, electrical impedance? I have a large variety of small speakers around and I might have something that would work. Not an exact substitution probably but close enough to get it speaking again.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

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> I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Mike Prell
>
> �
> Break out the Katanas, Folks!
> The inmates are running the institution!
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58123 From: MikeS Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Toy Train Paper & Memorabilia Group
The Toy Train Paper&Memorabilia (TTP&M) Group is an electronic forum, open to everyone, where the "paper" created for and about toy trains and related products can be discussed and information shared. The TTP&M Group's goal is to increase our knowledge and enjoyment. Subjects of interest include catalogues, magazines, instruction sheets, and virtually all other paper items as well as video's:

ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/

Very best, Mike Spanier
Group: S-Trains Message: 58124 From: John Metzger Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
Tonight on S-Trains chat I was told to use a 6-34120 TMCC Direct Lockon with any transformer.  That it will react faster then any breaker.  Can be used with any transformer wheither old or new.  Sound like a safty fix to me.

johnm63379 From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:32:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] tmcc

 
I have been using a Gilbert 18B transformer with my Flyonel TMCC engines for several years without problem.

I also use TMCC with the new American Models transformer. As long as the transformer puts out a nice sign wave at the correct voltage and has enough current capacity, what else do you need?

If you are worried about overloads, fuse the track! Fuses are much faster than breakers anyway, which would be better for protecting more delicate solid state electronics.

Works for me.

Chuck

http://www.myflyertrains.org

On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:10 PM, mike wrote:

> i am planning on ordering tmcc. i am going to get the 6-12969 TMCC Command set. what should i get transformer wise? i was thinking about the Lionel 6-22983 180 watt Powerhouse. would this work good? do i need anything else? Thanks, Mike J.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58125 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Bob - The original AF Talking Station used a mechanically-coupled transducer
to play the record (like the original Edison cylinder machines). There is
no electrical speaker (with a magnet, voice coil, etc) or electronic
amplification in the device.

Mike - Are you asking for help in locating the transducer, or do you have an
AF Talking Station that has been updated with a solid state sound
record/playback system?

Jerry Feldman


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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of zemouse2001
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed



Mike - any idea of the physical and electrical parameters of the speaker?
E.G. physical size and shape, electrical impedance? I have a large variety
of small speakers around and I might have something that would work. Not an
exact substitution probably but close enough to get it speaking again.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer
Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a
speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any
suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Mike Prell
>
> �
> Break out the Katanas, Folks!
> The inmates are running the institution!
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58126 From: wjchadbourne Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Big Boy Smoke
Hi Guys,
I seem to have a problem with my big boy that none of you have had or at least asked about. Mine puts out a huge amount of smoke even at the lowest setting. I'm not complaining about the amount of smoke, it is just that the smell is driving my wife nuts and I have to turn it off most of the time. Is there an available smoke liquid that will not negatively effect the smoke output but no smell?
Thanks
Bud
Group: S-Trains Message: 58127 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: We Care - from Dave
Good Morning Gale,
     The #8244 KCS decal is .750" sq.
     Yes, we can change the colors around and resize the entire decal to your specs.
     The cost will be $7.99 for a set of 10.
     Thank you for your interest in our products and services.
     Have a GREAT WEEK.
Dave

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From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:29 PM


 



Dave,

I hate to bother you but off hand can you tell me the size of the KCS herald ..your #8244 is? Is it possible to bring it down to 3/8" square for an engine nose? With the ALPS printer and your art work can you switch the color on that herald, what is red changes to yellow and what is yellow changes to red lettering. Making it a yellow out line and red line inside that a yellow field with red lettering? and 3/8" square?

I appreciate your time

gale hall
frisco91@swbell. net

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave

Bob,
The FREE DECAL still works as per instructions. .
Dave

I hate to bother you b
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From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 2:35 PM

Dave..... Sorry confused.... . It seems to me that the only difference in shipping to me and shipping to our mates across the pond is DISTANCE.... So instead of a 2.00 stamp you put on a 3.00 stamp and we pay the extra buck+-.... ????? Bob
PS Free Decal deal still work.... would like to try one

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From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 1:48 PM

Bob,
The fact of the matter is that we do not charge for shipping, so we would have to absorb the increased postage which, in most cases, would delete any profit.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 11:22 AM

Dave... No offense ment.... 2.75 plus your great product..... .Whats the problem???.. .. I would pay it to have them shipped to me.... Your post seemed like to me it was cost prohitive to ship to our mates over in Great Britian.... Bob
Now if I could find some German Markings for my model planes!!! In 1/72...1/4.. .1/32...1/ 24
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:56 AM

Robert,
The post one way to London from here without insurance in the envelops we use at a business rate with the necessay customs forms is $2.75 USD. We do not charge handling fees!
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.


--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:16 AM

Gee .... I thought that a small sheet of decals would fit in an envelope... Then postage would be about 1.00 +-.... It appears its much higher... Handeling cost?
Glenn... Get the latest model Magazine... I don't remember which one... They have an Article on "HOW TO MAKE RUB OFF TRANSFERS" ... There have been lots of articles over the past few years on how to do your own decals.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:19 AM

Glenn,
We would love to sell to you Brits, but with shipping costs being so high it is not a good deal for either side of the Atlantic. Orders would have to be around $1,000.00 USD each to accomplish or establish a market in the UK. If you could get enough of your mates together to meet this requirement then we would consider doing business with the UK modeling community. Sorry, but our hands are tied on this matter at present.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com




--- On Sun, 1/3/10, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] We Care - from Dave
To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 4:56 AM

Dave,

We Brits wouldn't mind if you sold to us as well.... ; )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58128 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
There was a guy making reproductions of the original style. It's not a speaker as we think of them today. It wasn't electrically powered. It was just a sound producer that held the needle on the record and the only amplification was from the acoustics, similar to the old wind-up Victrolas. (How I wish I had gobbled on to the upright Victrola in Grandma's attic!) It has a cardboard tube, a little shorter than a toilet paper tube on the "sound" end that was supposed to amplify and direct the sound like an old hand-held megaphone. The cardboard tubes and needles are readily available from parts suppliers. Watch e-bay for the sounder.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael prell" <mlprell@...>
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 10:36:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Speaker Needed







I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Mike Prell


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58129 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: tmcc
The TMCC direct Lockon is a fast acting electronic circuit breaker designed to protect the track from spikes and shorts cause by derailments.
Originally desigend to be used with Lionel Powerhouse AC supply it will work with any AC transformer providing 15-18 volts.

So if you are using a older transformer to power your TMCC layout you can add a TMCC Direct Lockon between your track and the transformer's Fixed or variable outputs as long as the output voltage is set to 15-18 volts.

You will also need the Power Adaptor Cable 6-12893 if using a transformer for power.

It can also be used to help protect a Powermaster by using it between the Powerhouse (or supply transformer) that powers the Powermaster.

I put one on my test bench as protection after I zapped a board.

Link to the manual http://www.lionel.com/CentralStation/Findex.cfm

Carl








-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Metzger
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] tmcc



Tonight on S-Trains chat I was told to use a 6-34120 TMCC Direct Lockon with any transformer. That it will react faster then any breaker. Can be used with any transformer wheither old or new. Sound like a safty fix to me.

johnm63379 From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:32:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] tmcc


I have been using a Gilbert 18B transformer with my Flyonel TMCC engines for several years without problem.

I also use TMCC with the new American Models transformer. As long as the transformer puts out a nice sign wave at the correct voltage and has enough current capacity, what else do you need?

If you are worried about overloads, fuse the track! Fuses are much faster than breakers anyway, which would be better for protecting more delicate solid state electronics.

Works for me.

Chuck

http://www.myflyertrains.org

On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:10 PM, mike wrote:

> i am planning on ordering tmcc. i am going to get the 6-12969 TMCC Command set. what should i get transformer wise? i was thinking about the Lionel 6-22983 180 watt Powerhouse. would this work good? do i need anything else? Thanks, Mike J.
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58130 From: clayton deich Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Smoke
 What about getting a smoke eater? You like the amount coming out right?
 Clayton

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...> wrote:

From: wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Smoke
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:39 PM
















 









Hi Guys,

I seem to have a problem with my big boy that none of you have had or at least asked about. Mine puts out a huge amount of smoke even at the lowest setting. I'm not complaining about the amount of smoke, it is just that the smell is driving my wife nuts and I have to turn it off most of the time. Is there an available smoke liquid that will not negatively effect the smoke output but no smell?

Thanks

Bud






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58131 From: sgaugian Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Which Greenburg show? Was there a Mikado double-header?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58132 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Smoke
We market a smoke fluid ("SMOKE CLOUD" Brand) that has a neutral odor.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:


From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boy Smoke
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:41 AM


 



 What about getting a smoke eater? You like the amount coming out right?
 Clayton

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@ smgazette. com> wrote:

From: wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@ smgazette. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Smoke
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:39 PM

 

Hi Guys,

I seem to have a problem with my big boy that none of you have had or at least asked about. Mine puts out a huge amount of smoke even at the lowest setting. I'm not complaining about the amount of smoke, it is just that the smell is driving my wife nuts and I have to turn it off most of the time. Is there an available smoke liquid that will not negatively effect the smoke output but no smell?

Thanks

Bud

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58133 From: michael prell Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Bob, The term, "speaker" for this item is a bit of a misnomer. The part to the Talking station is really called a "reproducer"; a throwback to the edison era phonograph style of audio sound reproduction ( needle 0n vinal)  Thanks for your input. I appreciate you're taking the time.
Mike-"S"-earching for "s"-ound in "S"-yracuse-Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote:


From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:30 PM


 



Mike - any idea of the physical and electrical parameters of the speaker? E.G. physical size and shape, electrical impedance? I have a large variety of small speakers around and I might have something that would work. Not an exact substitution probably but close enough to get it speaking again.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@... > wrote:
>
>
> I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Mike Prell
>
> �
> Break out the Katanas, Folks!
> The inmates are running the institution!
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58134 From: michael prell Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
What?????????? Me have anything MODERN????? Naah. It's the old technology or it's nothing because I'm cheap! Actually I love those old stations. The idea of a mechanically coordinated record/cam shaft/ motor driven on-off switch to send a train down the track has fascinated me since my Dad first got it for me back in the 50's! Way COOOOL!
Thanks for asking, Ger!
 Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:


From: Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 5:11 AM


 



Bob - The original AF Talking Station used a mechanically- coupled transducer
to play the record (like the original Edison cylinder machines). There is
no electrical speaker (with a magnet, voice coil, etc) or electronic
amplification in the device.

Mike - Are you asking for help in locating the transducer, or do you have an
AF Talking Station that has been updated with a solid state sound
record/playback system?

Jerry Feldman

.
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of zemouse2001
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed

Mike - any idea of the physical and electrical parameters of the speaker?
E.G. physical size and shape, electrical impedance? I have a large variety
of small speakers around and I might have something that would work. Not an
exact substitution probably but close enough to get it speaking again.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@... > wrote:
>
>
> I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer
Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a
speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any
suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Mike Prell
>
> �
> Break out the Katanas, Folks!
> The inmates are running the institution!
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58135 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: SHS Chessie For Sale...
GENTS:
I have for sale one SHS SW-1 Chessie System B&O #8403, part #00441. Except for the addition of Kadee 802 couplers, the engine is NIB. Paint is the standard Chessie blue, yellow and orange with "Chessie System" along the hood where the Chessie cat's head logo forms the "C" in the word "Chessie." This paint scheme is no longer stocked by SHS, but you may see this engine's sister, #8414, on the SHS web site under archived out-of-stock items.

The engine includes two sets of pilots, one with standard handrails and one with split handrails and walk-over porches for MU operation. Two sets of couplers, AF compatible automatics and the now-installed Kadee 802s. Two sets of wheels, AF compatible and the now-installed Code 110 NMRA RP-25 contour wheelsets. Electronic features include AC/DC sequencing-reversing, reversing headlights, DC shorting plug for DC polarity-reversing, DCC adaptor, smart reversing to accommodate cab at rear or cab at front and a complete set of spare electrical pick-up wipers. According to SHS literature, the SW-1s also came with two types of exhaust stacks; this unit did not. Lastly, the "Enginemen's Operating Manual" is included.

If you're a Chessie nut, this little "purr box" can be yours for $250 including second-day air once payment clears.

Off-list responses only. On-list responses will remain unanswered.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58136 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Bob Hogan layout
From the S-Scale list

After reading the S Gaugian awhile back with Bob Hogan's layout, the magic of the internet provides us with many more pictures. Enjoy

Ed Eckert

List,
A special treat today amongst the banter. The link below will load the Fall 2009 Southeast Region newsletter with lots of pictures of Bob Hogan's Sierra Northern.

Congratulations Bob!

Billy Click

http://www.ser-nmra.org/sou.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 58137 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
Yep - they are great fun - you should see the look on peoples faces when I show and tell what actually makes the sound. BYW mine sounds like a country station announcer because on our 50 cycle system the 60 cycle motor runs about 12% slow. Also BTW dont forget that really you should replace the needle about every ten times used maximum. New needles are about four dollars per hundred from antique phonograph suppliers. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: michael prell
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed



What?????????? Me have anything MODERN????? Naah. It's the old technology or it's nothing because I'm cheap! Actually I love those old stations. The idea of a mechanically coordinated record/cam shaft/ motor driven on-off switch to send a train down the track has fascinated me since my Dad first got it for me back in the 50's! Way COOOOL!
Thanks for asking, Ger!
Mike Prell


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:

From: Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 5:11 AM



Bob - The original AF Talking Station used a mechanically- coupled transducer
to play the record (like the original Edison cylinder machines). There is
no electrical speaker (with a magnet, voice coil, etc) or electronic
amplification in the device.

Mike - Are you asking for help in locating the transducer, or do you have an
AF Talking Station that has been updated with a solid state sound
record/playback system?

Jerry Feldman

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-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of zemouse2001
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed

Mike - any idea of the physical and electrical parameters of the speaker?
E.G. physical size and shape, electrical impedance? I have a large variety
of small speakers around and I might have something that would work. Not an
exact substitution probably but close enough to get it speaking again.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@... > wrote:
>
>
> I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer
Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a
speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any
suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Mike Prell
>
> �
> Break out the Katanas, Folks!
> The inmates are running the institution!
>
>
>
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58138 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Smoke
You can try mine, if you don't like it, you can get your $$ back. Or I'll
send you a bottle & if you do like it send me a check. Mike
_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) Contact me if interested


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What about getting a smoke eater? You like the amount coming out right?
Clayton

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(mailto:wjchadbourne@...) > wrote:

From: wjchadbourne <_wjchadbourne@wjchadbourwjc_
(mailto:wjchadbourne@...) >
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Smoke
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:39 PM



Hi Guys,

I seem to have a problem with my big boy that none of you have had or at
least asked about. Mine puts out a huge amount of smoke even at the lowest
setting. I'm not complaining about the amount of smoke, it is just that the
smell is driving my wife nuts and I have to turn it off most of the time.
Is there an available smoke liquid that will not negatively effect the smoke
output but no smell?

Thanks

Bud

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58139 From: Bill Drake Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Speaker Needed
the speakers are purely mechanical. an old style needle (like the old wind up phonographs) transmits the sound mechanically to a diaphragm. the motor/cam mechanism lowers the speaker assembly onto the record, then after the playing time lifts the assembly back off enabling a gravity driven reset to the start position.
 
Bill Drake
St. Louis, MO in the frigid American mid west

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote:


From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:30 PM


 



Mike - any idea of the physical and electrical parameters of the speaker? E.G. physical size and shape, electrical impedance? I have a large variety of small speakers around and I might have something that would work. Not an exact substitution probably but close enough to get it speaking again.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

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> I'll soon be involved with the restoration of an old American Flyer Talking Station. About the only part I'm having difficulty locating is a speaker. Origional or repro makes no difference as long as it works. Any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Mike Prell
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> The inmates are running the institution!
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58140 From: boblines51 Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Lionel movie
Did anyone get a copy of the Lionel movie that they were selling.The one I got ends at an odd time right in the middle of the story.They were heading into Frontierville.I was wondering if they will have another DVD or is mine screw up. Bob Persing
Group: S-Trains Message: 58141 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel movie
I don't know about this movie, but did you contact the seller to ask if this is how it ends?
website for the movie company that put it out?

Mike Marmer
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From: boblines51
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel movie



Did anyone get a copy of the Lionel movie that they were selling.The one I got ends at an odd time right in the middle of the story.They were heading into Frontierville.I was wondering if they will have another DVD or is mine screw up. Bob Persing





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58142 From: mike jones Date: 1/4/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
I was at the Dulles expo center show last weekend. and there were atleast 2 mikado's running on the s-gaugers layout.
Mike J.

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From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: need some help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:24 AM


 



Which Greenburg show? Was there a Mikado double-header?











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58143 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel movie
Mike... Thats the Kicker to HALF PRICE MOVIES !!!!!!!!!! Bob

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From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel movie
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 9:24 PM


 



I don't know about this movie, but did you contact the seller to ask if this is how it ends?
website for the movie company that put it out?

Mike Marmer
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From: boblines51
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel movie

Did anyone get a copy of the Lionel movie that they were selling.The one I got ends at an odd time right in the middle of the story.They were heading into Frontierville. I was wondering if they will have another DVD or is mine screw up. Bob Persing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58144 From: hmmarks@comcast.net Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Hi,



      I have two Mikado's.  Is there a way to double head them without doing damage to the second mikado's front coupler?  Thanks for your answers.

 
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From: "mike jones" <civicman_97@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 9:15:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: need some help

 




I was at the Dulles expo center show last weekend. and there were atleast 2 mikado's running on the s-gaugers layout.
Mike J.

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From: sgaugian < dsme_horn@... >
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: need some help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:24 AM

 

Which Greenburg show? Was there a Mikado double-header?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58145 From: Vin Kosobiecki Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Collector
Bob,

None of your E-Mail addresses work
�Vin

  ONE FLAG, ONE LANGUAGE, ONE NATION UNDER GOD!!!   




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From: Bobby Abrams <balc99@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 1:33:44 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:

 
I too was a member and remembered the magazines and my interactions with frank fondly. about 10 years ago my train collection was stolen and I dropped out at that time. I recently got reinterested and I am having a blast. Although electricity is electricity, I am amazed at all the stuff I have learned about cab-2. It never dawned on me that it could be used with flyer.

Back to the Collector. Has anybody scanned any issues? If anybody who has issues, like the two people who kindly answered my inquiry, would like to work something out with me I am willing to do the scanning. my email is balc99@gmail. com. My recollection is that it had a lot of oddball articles and a lot of solid operating information.

Bobby Abrams




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58146 From: sgaugian Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
I fashioned an AF compatible coupler that came with a plastic tab or tongue such that it fits in the box at the front replacing the scale coupler. That way I can replace it with the original should I want to sell the engine by itself. It aligns well with the rear coupler of another Mike. I notched the tab (like AM heavyweight coupler tabs/tongues are notched) to allow for pivoting angle enough to get through standard AF curves and switches. Address them as a lash-up (TR X). Whistle and cab sounds from only the front unit, but chuff from both. Directional lighting too. Fun.

>       I have two Mikado's.  Is there a way to double head them without doing damage to the second mikado's front coupler?  Thanks for your answers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58147 From: Rhett George Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: More electrical stuff...
- GreetingS -

Mark asked a fine question regarding transformers, probably for turnout
and accessory operation (18 V, 200 W).

My favorite is an industrial signal and control transformer with an
output of 16 to 18 V. On our modular display layout (ACSG - Carolinas
Division) I use an 18 V transformer rated for maybe 350 VA. For resistive
loads watts are close enough to volt-amperes. At the end of a day at
a show it will be the coolest-running regardless of the number of acces-
sories. I have a 15 A circuit breaker mounted with it should some device
develop a short.

Electronics firms such as Allied or Newark, or overstock houses such as
C & H Sales usually have these in the catalogs.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 58148 From: Rhett George Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: North Carolina S-gauge
- GreetingS -

Pardon please that this message is directed in part to Roy but it is
sent generally to those who may be in the Durham area. Please send
me an e-mail so that we might arrange a get-together. Since my e-mail
to Roy bounced, it seems his spam blocker is screwed down too tight.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 58149 From: A E Johnson Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Big Boy
I was perusing some information in Missouri Pacific locomotives and ran
across a site that said they had a MALLET. It was used for hump and
switching service. The number was 4000, and the railroaders called it
"Molly" The wheel arrangement was 2-8-8-2. There was also a photo of one of
the predecessor that had three of four Baldwin Mallets. One of the surprises
was that it had compound cylinders. The rear set was the smaller, high
pressure set and the front were the larger, lower pressure set. This appears
to be a relatively "clean" engine and might be scratch built by someone with
a lot of time on their hands.



Also I went out and saw the Bob Hogan layout. I rate that a real jaw
dropping WOW. I also noticed that one of the engines on his layout was the
SP articulated with the cab forward. Does anyone have an idea where he found
that engine?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58150 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: The insufferable bore...
Yeah, that's me! I don't mean to come off as a "know it all," I'm just so happy to get a chance on the computer!
Cindy has been practically LIVING on our computer, so I don't get much opportunity to get on it!
Sorry if I'm becoming such a bore, I'm just happy to be here!
Uh, oh.....she's waking up from her afternoon nap.....
Stumpy in Appalac........;-(
Group: S-Trains Message: 58151 From: mike Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
hi everyone. so yesterday i took my NEW Mikado that i just got on christmas in to get the smoke unit fixed. i took it to the Train Depot in Manassas which is the closest lionel service station. i now have to wait 3-4 weeks to get it back. which i think is pretty slow. i am considering writing lionel an email about their poor quality control and they should be re-embersing for time spent without my locomotive. what do you all think?
Mike J.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58152 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Articulated Locomotives: not all were Mallets
Not that it makes a lot of difference for our usage...Locomotives with two sets of drivers under a single boiler were "articulated" locomotives because their frames were not solid, the front frame moved to allow the engine to get around curves.
A "Mallet" locomotive is named after Anatoly Mallet, a Frenchman industrial engineer in the 1800s. His design was not only articulated, but called for compound front (low pressure) cylinders, so that steam could be used twice for economy. It went first to rear, high pressure cylinders, then foward to the larger low pressure cylinders, and then was exhausted up the stack to create firebox draft as in any steam loco.
Vulclain Compound locos, named after Samuel Vulclain of the Baldwin Locomotive Works, was used on several non-articulated engines where one side of the chassis had a high pressure cylinder and the other side had a low pressure ctylinder.
Not all articulated locos used compound cyliders, but used high pressure steam in both sets of cylinders for more power, at the cost of economy. These were called "Simple" articulated engines and far outnumbered compounds.
While even real railroaders often called all articulated engines "malleys" as a slang term, in reality only compound locomotives that are articullated are really Mallet Locos.
Confused yet? So was I until I learned all this stuff years ago! The railroaders I knew in my youth on the B&O called all articulateds "malleys" and not articulateds. Only the guys in the backshop really cared if they were compound or simple types, since they had to work on them. Real Mallet types were roundly cussed by the mechanical departments as they were a hassle to rebuild, and rarely was the economy of steam worth the lack of tractive effort! Most compounds were changed to simple engines after a time.
And now you know WAY more than you really need to! Call 'em "malleys" if you want, that's what a lot of railroaders did...among other,less kindly names!
Stumpy Stone...lifelong lover of steam...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58153 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Dear AE,
The SP cab forwards were made by Jettie Padgett of Southwind a few
years ago (maybe 10?).
Don

> I also noticed that one of the engines on his layout was the
> SP articulated with the cab forward. Does anyone have an idea where
> he found
> that engine?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58154 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
AE,

There is a real good chance the SP cab forward was built by Jess Bennett...out in Idaho.

gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: A E Johnson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:43 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy



I was perusing some information in Missouri Pacific locomotives and ran
across a site that said they had a MALLET. It was used for hump and
switching service. The number was 4000, and the railroaders called it
"Molly" The wheel arrangement was 2-8-8-2. There was also a photo of one of
the predecessor that had three of four Baldwin Mallets. One of the surprises
was that it had compound cylinders. The rear set was the smaller, high
pressure set and the front were the larger, lower pressure set. This appears
to be a relatively "clean" engine and might be scratch built by someone with
a lot of time on their hands.

Also I went out and saw the Bob Hogan layout. I rate that a real jaw
dropping WOW. I also noticed that one of the engines on his layout was the
SP articulated with the cab forward. Does anyone have an idea where he found
that engine?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58155 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Doubleheading with drawbars
Back in the 1800s locomotives were often equipped with long "cow catchers" which did not allow two locomotives to work together, or "Double Head." In the days when almost all locos were 4-4-0 "American" types, it took two or more lococs to pull a heavy train up long grades.
To get around the cow catcher problem, railroads, and then locomotive builders, began equipping locomotives with "drawbars." This was a long iron bar, later steel, that was permanently mounted to the loco frame at one end, and would fit the coupler pocket of the tender of the leading locomotive at the other. You'll notice these on model "old timer" engines lying down the center of the cow catcher where they were carried when not in use.
Drawbars were also used between freight and passenger cars on some railroads when several cars would not need to be decoupled. Many early "cab unit" diesels were also permanently coupled with drawbars instead of regular knuckle couplers.
For our use, modelers have long rigged drawbars to allow them to double head steam locomotives, I have done it in several scales. Some folks make them as crude as bending a paper clip, while others make their own "model" drawbars that look like the real thing.
Some early drawbars would be simple to model by bending small loops on each end of a piece of heavy wire. These loops would simply be big enough to allow the coupler box center or a small screw to hold them in place. Early drawbars just like this were often made by a railroad blacksmith in the back shop.
Another possiblility is to semi-permanently mount one end to the second, or "trailing" locomotive, and mount a coupler to the end of the drawbar that will be coupled to the lead locomotive.
I have seen two couplers glued together in the coupled position and long shanks added to either end to make a drawbar between locos.
Portlines carries a doubleheading system for some old Flyer locos too.
The key to anything you might use is to make the bar long enough to keep the two engines together on your tightest curves without pulling one or the other off the track. Paint the drawbar black to help fool the eye.
One word of warning in doubleheading model locomotives: You should use locos that run at the same speed at the same throttle setting (unless you use TMCC or DCC control.) If you don't one will either be pushing or dragging the other. Sure, you might get away with it, but it is hard on gears, traction tires on drive wheels, and often causes derailments, particularly with plastic tenders. For instance, you shouldn't run an old Flyer 0-8-0 and an Atlantic 4-4-2 together as the driver diameters are too different.
With just a little thought and some easy construction (or using a bent paper clip) anyone can make up a drawbar.
Stumpy in snowy, cold Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 58156 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Actually I believe that to be truly called a Mallet the loco has to be a compound as per the European prototype.Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: A E Johnson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy



I was perusing some information in Missouri Pacific locomotives and ran
across a site that said they had a MALLET. It was used for hump and
switching service. The number was 4000, and the railroaders called it
"Molly" The wheel arrangement was 2-8-8-2. There was also a photo of one of
the predecessor that had three of four Baldwin Mallets. One of the surprises
was that it had compound cylinders. The rear set was the smaller, high
pressure set and the front were the larger, lower pressure set. This appears
to be a relatively "clean" engine and might be scratch built by someone with
a lot of time on their hands.

Also I went out and saw the Bob Hogan layout. I rate that a real jaw
dropping WOW. I also noticed that one of the engines on his layout was the
SP articulated with the cab forward. Does anyone have an idea where he found
that engine?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58157 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: voltage/continuity tester
Hello friends,

After years of temporary and sectional AF layout operation, I am trying to get myself started on a "permanent" home layout before I shuffle off this mortal coil. I anticipate my wiring to be basic AC traditional wiring with, perhaps, a DC trolley running on HO track. I think I have a pretty good idea how I want my layout wired, wire gauge to be used, etc, but I am looking for thoughts on what I should use to test wiring as I go and to troubleshoot the inevitable problems that will show up when I think I am done.

Since most of my wiring of temporary and display layouts to date has been troubleshot through trial and error, isolation and the circuit breaker on the transformer to "test" the results, I have never acquired any sophisticated electrical testing equipment.

What would you recommend for a good, affordable tester to test circuits and troubleshoot wiring circuits? Do I need one device for continuity testing and a different one for voltage reading? Is there a multiple purpose tester that will check both. How about high (household) voltage and low voltage? I have a simple device I have used to determine whether power was getting to the track; basically a low voltage light wired between an alligator clip and a probe, but it seems that I should be testing the output as well since even modern AC units have delicate electronics.

So, on the assumption that I am too committed to a large roster of AC AF locomotives filled out with several American Models and S Helper Service locos running on traditional AC power, what would you suggest to help me make my time wiring and testing most productive?

Thanks!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58158 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Hi Mike,
 
Go for it. Unfortunately, it will be like trying to get the doctor to reduce his bill after waiting 45 minutes AFTER your appointment. I might also suggest that you provide a Chinese translation so the REAL owners of Lionel can understand it.
 
Good Luck,
Nick Kulp (remembering when trains were made in America with pride)
 
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hi everyone. so yesterday i took my NEW Mikado that i just got on christmas in to get the smoke unit fixed. i took it to the Train Depot in Manassas which is the closest lionel service station. i now have to wait 3-4 weeks to get it back. which i think is pretty slow. i am considering writing lionel an email about their poor quality control and they should be re-embersing for time spent without my locomotive. what do you all think?
Mike J.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58159 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Spring Spree Forms Posted
I have posted four forms pertaining to the coming Spring Spree, which the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will be holding in Dearborn Michigan 31 April - 1 May 2010. The forms are

The basic registration form
The dealer registration form.
A form to order a Spree-special American Flyer car, a red Great Northern boxcar
A form to order a Spree-special American Models blue GTW gondola in scale or hirail. (More about this later.)

They're in the Files Section under the heading 2010_Spring_Spree, in Word format. If anybody can't open them in Word, let me know and we'll get them to you in some other format.

Tom Hawley
Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58160 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
The ONLY way we are going to get LIONELS' attention (or any other
manufacturer we have an issue with) is to TELL THEM we have an issue. They have
ignored the occasional complaint/issue for years, once watched one of their
executives turn his back on a distressed buyer and walk away from the man
(who had spent over $1,600. for a "pour out of the box" Allegheny").

Doug Peck was kind enough to provide an email address for Matt Ashba.
Write to Matt Ashba at Lionel.

_mashba@..._ (mailto:mashba@...)

I find it interesting that one of the "smaller players" S-Helper is able
to avoid most of these problems by exercising "Quality Control". I know
some other manufacturers also send their products to "independents" for
testing/trouble shooting/problem solving. THEN the issue becomes the follow
thru in China, which I have known to be a serious problem.
BTW, China expects to produce 400 MILLION tons of steel in 2010, the U
S--73 million tons. HOW FAST will our country sink????

OUT OF CURIOUSITY, how many people with the A/F falling apart trucks have
contacted Matt to ask for help???

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/5/2010 5:07:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cornwall9@... writes:

i am considering writing lionel an email about their poor quality control
and they should be re-embersing for time spent without my locomotive. what
do you all think?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58161 From: richs009 Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Articulated Locomotives: not all were Mallets
In fact, that's the title of a section in www.steamlocomotive.com, to wit: A Big Boy is Not a Mallet. Big Boys were simple, single expansion locos. FWIW, the above-mentioned website notes that the two main true mallet locos in the US were the N&W Class Y 2-8-8-2 and the C&O Class H-6 2-6-6-2. Along the with BB, the other three main articulated, but single expansion locos were N&W Class A 2-6-6-4, DM&IR 2-8-8-4 and SP 4-8-8-2 Cab Forward. These examples are all near the end of the steam age in the US. Earlier in the 20th century, there were other articulated loco designs, some of which were also true Mallets. Wikipedia has some good pictures, and a real treasure trove of pictures at http://www.northeast.railfan.net/steam5.html (which I just found, thanks to the Google).

One of these sites pointed out the now-obvious-to-me visual distinction between a true Mallet and the single expansion engines -- the much larger size of the front cylinders on the Mallet to take advantage of the low pressure steam 'left over' from the high pressure steam rear cylinders.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Not that it makes a lot of difference for our usage...Locomotives with two sets of drivers under a single boiler were "articulated" locomotives because their frames were not solid, the front frame moved to allow the engine to get around curves.
> A "Mallet" locomotive is named after Anatoly Mallet, a Frenchman industrial engineer in the 1800s. His design was not only articulated, but called for compound front (low pressure) cylinders, so that steam could be used twice for economy. It went first to rear, high pressure cylinders, then foward to the larger low pressure cylinders, and then was exhausted up the stack to create firebox draft as in any steam loco.
> Vulclain Compound locos, named after Samuel Vulclain of the Baldwin Locomotive Works, was used on several non-articulated engines where one side of the chassis had a high pressure cylinder and the other side had a low pressure ctylinder.
> Not all articulated locos used compound cyliders, but used high pressure steam in both sets of cylinders for more power, at the cost of economy. These were called "Simple" articulated engines and far outnumbered compounds.
> While even real railroaders often called all articulated engines "malleys" as a slang term, in reality only compound locomotives that are articullated are really Mallet Locos.
> Confused yet? So was I until I learned all this stuff years ago! The railroaders I knew in my youth on the B&O called all articulateds "malleys" and not articulateds. Only the guys in the backshop really cared if they were compound or simple types, since they had to work on them. Real Mallet types were roundly cussed by the mechanical departments as they were a hassle to rebuild, and rarely was the economy of steam worth the lack of tractive effort! Most compounds were changed to simple engines after a time.
> And now you know WAY more than you really need to! Call 'em "malleys" if you want, that's what a lot of railroaders did...among other,less kindly names!
> Stumpy Stone...lifelong lover of steam...in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58162 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
I agree.  I bought a Lionel northern, and after i bought it, it spent more time (AND MONEY) being shipped back and forth to Lionel.  It still does not work right.  The sound at full can hardly be heard.  I considered buying a    Big Boy, but decided against it after my northern experience.  If the old Gilbert Flyer had been made as poorly for quality as the new stuff, i don't think there would be an S Gauge group today. 
Al In Nevada, enjoying the Old Gilbert quality.  Happy New Years to All!! 

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, mike <civicman_97@...> wrote:

From: mike <civicman_97@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:45 PM







 









hi everyone. so yesterday i took my NEW Mikado that i just got on christmas in to get the smoke unit fixed. i took it to the Train Depot in Manassas which is the closest lionel service station. i now have to wait 3-4 weeks to get it back. which i think is pretty slow. i am considering writing lionel an email about their poor quality control and they should be re-embersing for time spent without my locomotive. what do you all think?

Mike J.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58163 From: mike jones Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
just my 2 cents but what if we all send in a email or send a email that has all of our names and how we are un happy with the quality control of lionels products. They might listen to a lot of people then just one or two. Just my thought.
Mike J.

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote:


From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:38 PM


 



I agree.  I bought a Lionel northern, and after i bought it, it spent more time (AND MONEY) being shipped back and forth to Lionel.  It still does not work right.  The sound at full can hardly be heard.  I considered buying a    Big Boy, but decided against it after my northern experience.  If the old Gilbert Flyer had been made as poorly for quality as the new stuff, i don't think there would be an S Gauge group today. 
Al In Nevada, enjoying the Old Gilbert quality.  Happy New Years to All!! 

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, mike <civicman_97@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mike <civicman_97@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:45 PM

 

hi everyone. so yesterday i took my NEW Mikado that i just got on christmas in to get the smoke unit fixed. i took it to the Train Depot in Manassas which is the closest lionel service station. i now have to wait 3-4 weeks to get it back. which i think is pretty slow. i am considering writing lionel an email about their poor quality control and they should be re-embersing for time spent without my locomotive. what do you all think?

Mike J.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58164 From: Scott Davidson Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: My answers to "powerful" questions... 2 more cents....
Stump,



I am surprised that no one mentions that the electronics can be protected on
the board using opto-isolators, and other type methods..

Then all the engines would be downward compatible to classic power supplies.



At least Lionel provides the protected power clips solution...



I haven't noticed but does the marketing literature warn of "use only the
following power supplies"... with advanced engine type info type info..



My 2 cents on the powerful issue..



Have a good day...



Scott Dee



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mrstumpy50
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] My answers to "powerful" questions...





Recently, I have gotten many personal e-mails about various conversions and
custom modifications, types of power sources, and control systems. While I
have been around this hobby for fifty years, I am NOT an electronics expert.

Therefore, my common sense, overall power recommendations are these:
....





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58165 From: Jim Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Jewel Question
My 316 has four lanterns on the engine ( two atop the boiler and two on the pilot) and two more on top the tender. The two lanterns on the tender still have their green "jewels" in place. All the jewels are missing from the engine. Should they all be red?

Also, this engine has metal wheels in the pilot but the parts list in the service manual says plastic. What should they be? So far, the metal ones have caused me problems shorting against the cowcatcher, so I've considered changing them out anyway. What was original equipment?

I'm pretty sure this engine has been assembled by committee many times!! (But it's fun!)
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58166 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Spring Spree Forms Posted
Hi Tom,

Was thinking of the ole poem, 30 days has September, April, June and November so is this some sort of Special Leap year, this year?


gale
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:00 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Spring Spree Forms Posted



I have posted four forms pertaining to the coming Spring Spree, which the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will be holding in Dearborn Michigan 31 April - 1 May 2010. The forms are

The basic registration form
The dealer registration form.
A form to order a Spree-special American Flyer car, a red Great Northern boxcar
A form to order a Spree-special American Models blue GTW gondola in scale or hirail. (More about this later.)

They're in the Files Section under the heading 2010_Spring_Spree, in Word format. If anybody can't open them in Word, let me know and we'll get them to you in some other format.

Tom Hawley
Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58167 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Send SEPARATE emails, lot more impact, be sure to sign them. I only have
one "flyonel" car with bad trucks, OH, I ONLY HAVE ONE "Flyonel" car.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/5/2010 9:54:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
civicman_97@... writes:

just my 2 cents but what if we all send in a email or send a email that
has all of our names and how we are un happy with the quality control of
lionels products. They might listen to a lot of people then just one or two.
Just my thought.
Mike J.

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote:


From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:38 PM






I agree. I bought a Lionel northern, and after i bought it, it spent more
time (AND MONEY) being shipped back and forth to Lionel. It still does
not work right. The sound at full can hardly be heard. I considered buying
a Big Boy, but decided against it after my northern experience. If the
old Gilbert Flyer had been made as poorly for quality as the new stuff, i
don't think there would be an S Gauge group today.
Al In Nevada, enjoying the Old Gilbert quality. Happy New Years to All!!

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, mike <civicman_97@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mike <civicman_97@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:45 PM



hi everyone. so yesterday i took my NEW Mikado that i just got on
christmas in to get the smoke unit fixed. i took it to the Train Depot in Manassas
which is the closest lionel service station. i now have to wait 3-4 weeks
to get it back. which i think is pretty slow. i am considering writing
lionel an email about their poor quality control and they should be re-embersing
for time spent without my locomotive. what do you all think?

Mike J.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58168 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Hi Jim,
The 316 marker lights did not have jewels.  All the marker lights were dotted with green paint.  The Pre War and early "S" K5 had green jewels inside the marker lamps. The green jewels do look better than the paint.  Though Gilbert made the error of putting green in the rear of the tender, the correct color for the rear of the train would be red.  I sell both the green and red jewels if you need any.  Please contact me at seccia@aol.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Jewel Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:44 PM







 









My 316 has four lanterns on the engine ( two atop the boiler and two on the pilot) and two more on top the tender. The two lanterns on the tender still have their green "jewels" in place. All the jewels are missing from the engine. Should they all be red?



Also, this engine has metal wheels in the pilot but the parts list in the service manual says plastic. What should they be? So far, the metal ones have caused me problems shorting against the cowcatcher, so I've considered changing them out anyway. What was original equipment?



I'm pretty sure this engine has been assembled by committee many times!! (But it's fun!)

Jim E.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58169 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/5/2010
Subject: No special leap year.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gale Hall
Was thinking of the ole poem, 30 days [hath] September, . . . . . . . .
> > > > > >
and mine uncle.

It was a test to see if anybody reads. Spring Spree in Dearborn will be
Fri 30 April - Sat 1 May 2010. (Got the year right anyway.)
Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 58170 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Jim,
     All four of the engine jewels should be green and the tender jewels are red.
     The pilot wheels should be plastic.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:


From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Jewel Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:44 PM


 



My 316 has four lanterns on the engine ( two atop the boiler and two on the pilot) and two more on top the tender. The two lanterns on the tender still have their green "jewels" in place. All the jewels are missing from the engine. Should they all be red?

Also, this engine has metal wheels in the pilot but the parts list in the service manual says plastic. What should they be? So far, the metal ones have caused me problems shorting against the cowcatcher, so I've considered changing them out anyway. What was original equipment?

I'm pretty sure this engine has been assembled by committee many times!! (But it's fun!)
Jim E.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58171 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: voltage/continuity tester
Any "multi-meter" will work just fine for you. They have all the
capabilities and are solid state and small. Radio Shack has them, Harbor freight
even has one for as little as $4. They test AC & DC voltage, AC & DC amperage,
and Resistance.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise./....GO BRONCOS


In a message dated 01/05/2010 1:54:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
alansherry@... writes:




Hello friends,

After years of temporary and sectional AF layout operation, I am trying to
get myself started on a "permanent" home layout before I shuffle off this
mortal coil. I anticipate my wiring to be basic AC traditional wiring with,
perhaps, a DC trolley running on HO track. I think I have a pretty good
idea how I want my layout wired, wire gauge to be used, etc, but I am looking
for thoughts on what I should use to test wiring as I go and to
troubleshoot the inevitable problems that will show up when I think I am done.

Since most of my wiring of temporary and display layouts to date has been
troubleshot through trial and error, isolation and the circuit breaker on
the transformer to "test" the results, I have never acquired any
sophisticated electrical testing equipment.

What would you recommend for a good, affordable tester to test circuits
and troubleshoot wiring circuits? Do I need one device for continuity testing
and a different one for voltage reading? Is there a multiple purpose
tester that will check both. How about high (household) voltage and low voltage?
I have a simple device I have used to determine whether power was getting
to the track; basically a low voltage light wired between an alligator clip
and a probe, but it seems that I should be testing the output as well
since even modern AC units have delicate electronics.

So, on the assumption that I am too committed to a large roster of AC AF
locomotives filled out with several American Models and S Helper Service
locos running on traditional AC power, what would you suggest to help me make
my time wiring and testing most productive?

Thanks!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58172 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: voltage/continuity tester
Thanks, Steve.

I will look at multi-meters and pick one up. I probably should convert all my AF to your can motors, but I want to give good old retro-AC current a chance first.

Cheers,

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

PS: Enjoyed the Fiesta Bowl. Another nice bowl win for the Broncos. Watched it with my son here in South Carolina. We live in Oregon and grew up in Washington, so it was nice to see at least one Northwest school do well in their bowl.


----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] voltage/continuity tester



Any "multi-meter" will work just fine for you. They have all the
capabilities and are solid state and small. Radio Shack has them, Harbor freight
even has one for as little as $4. They test AC & DC voltage, AC & DC amperage,
and Resistance.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise./....GO BRONCOS


In a message dated 01/05/2010 1:54:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58173 From: Monte Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Scenery question
Any suggestions on what could be used to represent oyster shells in S scale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 58174 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Fw: SHS Chessie For Sale...
GENTS:
I have a small though significant correction to the information below. Upon asking, Mr. Thompson, of SHS fame, informed me that the second, uninstalled, stack on the early SW-1s was/is a real shortie, and I should find it in the baggie that also contains the spare pick-up wipers. A-ha, there it is; so short I took it for a blue circular booger. He also noted that the probability of a Chessie engine having such a stack was slim and none as the Chessie System almost always used the taller stack or welded an extension on the shortie to keep smoke off the windshield. So, the engine is truly complete and all is well.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Subject: SHS Chessie For Sale...


GENTS:
I have for sale one SHS SW-1 Chessie System B&O #8403, part #00441. Except for the addition of Kadee 802 couplers, the engine is NIB. Paint is the standard Chessie blue, yellow and orange with "Chessie System" along the hood where the Chessie cat's head logo forms the "C" in the word "Chessie." This paint scheme is no longer stocked by SHS, but you may see this engine's sister, #8414, on the SHS web site under archived out-of-stock items.

The engine includes two sets of pilots, one with standard handrails and one with split handrails and walk-over porches for MU operation. Two sets of couplers, AF compatible automatics and the now-installed Kadee 802s. Two sets of wheels, AF compatible and the now-installed Code 110 NMRA RP-25 contour wheelsets. Electronic features include AC/DC sequencing-reversing, reversing headlights, DC shorting plug for DC polarity-reversing, DCC adaptor, smart reversing to accommodate cab at rear or cab at front and a complete set of spare electrical pick-up wipers. According to SHS literature, the SW-1s also came with two types of exhaust stacks; this unit did not. Lastly, the "Enginemen's Operating Manual" is included.

If you're a Chessie nut, this little "purr box" can be yours for $250 including second-day air once payment clears.

Off-list responses only. On-list responses will remain unanswered.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58175 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Quality control
Quality control was a problem for many years in the automobile industry, particularly in the seventies and early eighties. While the Big Three pointed the finger at assembly line workers, the bigger problem turned out to be the basic design. Parts were designed to be cheap to produce, not of long term quality! Even when the car broke down, the factory replacement parts were no better. You had to buy aftermarket parts to get quality, which is why there are now so many auto parts outfits!
The Japanese auto makers beat the Big Three up badly at that time(actually the Big Three had beat up themselves) but this led to American cars becoming as good as anyone's these days.
Lionel has yet to learn this lesson.
Lionel O Gauge (the problem is not just S trains) has had a very uneven history of quality control since the sixties, partly due to constant changes in management, partly due to the ongoing "pissing contest" with MTH, and partly due to hiring some shoddy Chinese manufacturers, while not riding herd on them.
(Bachmann Trains in N, HO, O, On30, and G scale are ALL made in China by their parent company Kader Toys. Not only are quality control problems minimal, but they don't give customers any hassle about warranty issues!)
Poor assembly is only part of the problem, poor basic design is a big problem, and for whatever reason, at the shop we saw more problems based in electronics that other parts in recent years.
Lionel has gotten this far by relying on the Collector market, but this sort of thinking is why MTH got a foothold in the industry to start with and continues to be a threat for Lionel. After all, had MTH not come along, O gaugers would still be buying the same old postwar Lionel stuff at premium prices. Had American Models and S-Helper not come along, we'd still be getting only repopped Gilbert stuff from Lionel.
Like the auto industry, they won't change until the customer forces them to! Write, call, and e-mail, them an let them know. But when they lose money as Detroit did, they'll REALLY take notice!
Stumpy Stone...train guy and car guy...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58176 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Thanks for the info on the wheels. Hard telling where this pilot assembly came from.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave at LBR Enterprises" <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2010 4:42:10 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Jewel Question






Jim,
All four of the engine jewels should be green and the tender jewels are red.
The pilot wheels should be plastic.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.


--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jim < jimensign50@... > wrote:

From: Jim < jimensign50@... >
Subject: [S-Trains] Jewel Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:44 PM



My 316 has four lanterns on the engine ( two atop the boiler and two on the pilot) and two more on top the tender. The two lanterns on the tender still have their green "jewels" in place. All the jewels are missing from the engine. Should they all be red?

Also, this engine has metal wheels in the pilot but the parts list in the service manual says plastic. What should they be? So far, the metal ones have caused me problems shorting against the cowcatcher, so I've considered changing them out anyway. What was original equipment?

I'm pretty sure this engine has been assembled by committee many times!! (But it's fun!)
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58177 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Stumpy,

As a recently retired "quality guy" in the auto industry, I fully agree
with your take on what happened in the domestic auto world in terms of
quality. I was there, and in the trenches when the Big 3 realized that
quality sells!! When they realized that quality sells and that they
could drive down their warranty costs as well reduce scrap costs, the
push for quality was on! The quality gap with the foreign automakers is
now negligible. The hurdle remaining is battling customer perception
that foreign built/designed cars are superior which the facts do not
support. Hopefully the folks at Lionel are listening and have a
"champion" within their organization that is pushing hard for quality.
They are hampered of course by not owning the production facilities.
Alas, one of the major pitfalls of outsourcing, lack of control. They
need a plan!! Hope they have one.

Daryl,
"Retired auto quality guy and Flyer lover in cold, cold, Michigan"



mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> Quality control was a problem for many years in the automobile
> industry, particularly in the seventies and early eighties. While the
> Big Three pointed the finger at assembly line workers, the bigger
> problem turned out to be the basic design. Parts were designed to be
> cheap to produce, not of long term quality! Even when the car broke
> down, the factory replacement parts were no better. You had to buy
> aftermarket parts to get quality, which is why there are now so many
> auto parts outfits!
> The Japanese auto makers beat the Big Three up badly at that
> time(actually the Big Three had beat up themselves) but this led to
> American cars becoming as good as anyone's these days.
> Lionel has yet to learn this lesson.
> Lionel O Gauge (the problem is not just S trains) has had a very
> uneven history of quality control since the sixties, partly due to
> constant changes in management, partly due to the ongoing "pissing
> contest" with MTH, and partly due to hiring some shoddy Chinese
> manufacturers, while not riding herd on them.
> (Bachmann Trains in N, HO, O, On30, and G scale are ALL made in China
> by their parent company Kader Toys. Not only are quality control
> problems minimal, but they don't give customers any hassle about
> warranty issues!)
> Poor assembly is only part of the problem, poor basic design is a big
> problem, and for whatever reason, at the shop we saw more problems
> based in electronics that other parts in recent years.
> Lionel has gotten this far by relying on the Collector market, but
> this sort of thinking is why MTH got a foothold in the industry to
> start with and continues to be a threat for Lionel. After all, had MTH
> not come along, O gaugers would still be buying the same old postwar
> Lionel stuff at premium prices. Had American Models and S-Helper not
> come along, we'd still be getting only repopped Gilbert stuff from Lionel.
> Like the auto industry, they won't change until the customer forces
> them to! Write, call, and e-mail, them an let them know. But when they
> lose money as Detroit did, they'll REALLY take notice!
> Stumpy Stone...train guy and car guy...in Appalachia.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58178 From: rj4010d Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: need some help
Gentlemen, This is the wrong forum for this but my BB also SOMETIMES ( but not often)will change the smoke level or even halt the engine . I think mainly a signal problem.
Bob Guckian Eaton , Oh

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote:
>
> I fashioned an AF compatible coupler that came with a plastic tab or tongue such that it fits in the box at the front replacing the scale coupler. That way I can replace it with the original should I want to sell the engine by itself. It aligns well with the rear coupler of another Mike. I notched the tab (like AM heavyweight coupler tabs/tongues are notched) to allow for pivoting angle enough to get through standard AF curves and switches. Address them as a lash-up (TR X). Whistle and cab sounds from only the front unit, but chuff from both. Directional lighting too. Fun.
>
> >       I have two Mikado's.  Is there a way to double head them without doing damage to the second mikado's front coupler?  Thanks for your answers.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58179 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Well said Stumpy,
 
I have one more "scary thought". If they continue in there shoddy performance, perhaps the Government will "bail" them out like the auto industry. Then the Government will control what they may produce. When the government busted a house of ill repute and failed after they raided it, imagine what they would do to our hobby. If you can't make money selling liguor and sex , you will pretty much fail at anything.
 
I hope that their management wakes up. My lovely bride bought me a Flyonel Bethlehem Steel 0-6-0 for Christmas and so far, the wheels have stayed on. I had the original 5-digit with smoke but the body mounts broke. It now sits on my display shelf.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Like the auto industry, they won't change until the customer forces them to!  Write, call, and e-mail, them an let them know.  But when they lose money as Detroit did, they'll REALLY take notice!
Stumpy Stone...train guy and car guy...in Appalachia.
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58180 From: mike jones Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Hi everyone. I sent Matt Ashba from lionel this morning and he responded immediatly. here is what i sent him........

 
Dear Matt Ashba,
I have recently purchased your Lionel American Flyer 2-8-2 Mikado and right out of the box the smoke unit did not work properly. I am a big fan of Lionel and their products but after hearing from many people on the Yahoo S-Trains group having problems with their BRAND NEW American Flyer products I am wondering if Lionel has a quality control issue. The worst part is that i now have to wait four weeks to get my locomotive back from my "Local" Lionel service station, which was an hour to get to. I feel that a company as prestigious as Lionel should have better quality control to ensure that people that spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars will not have to deal with the trouble that myself along with many other people are going through.
 
Sincerely,
Michael Jones
 
This is what he wrote back to me.......
 
 Dear Michael,
I am very sorry you had trouble with the Mikado right out of the box. I
will forward your email to our engineers and to management immediately
for discussion in regards to quality control concerns.  I wish you a
Happy New Year to you and your family. Thank you for forwarding to me
your concerns.

Best regards,
Matt Ashba

 I hope that Matt will actually go through on what he has told me but i am not holding my breath.
Mike J.

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:15 PM


 



Send SEPARATE emails, lot more impact, be sure to sign them. I only have
one "flyonel" car with bad trucks, OH, I ONLY HAVE ONE "Flyonel" car.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/5/2010 9:54:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
civicman_97@ yahoo.com writes:

just my 2 cents but what if we all send in a email or send a email that
has all of our names and how we are un happy with the quality control of
lionels products. They might listen to a lot of people then just one or two.
Just my thought.
Mike J.

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, albert paolozzi <amflyral@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:38 PM

I agree. I bought a Lionel northern, and after i bought it, it spent more
time (AND MONEY) being shipped back and forth to Lionel. It still does
not work right. The sound at full can hardly be heard. I considered buying
a Big Boy, but decided against it after my northern experience. If the
old Gilbert Flyer had been made as poorly for quality as the new stuff, i
don't think there would be an S Gauge group today.
Al In Nevada, enjoying the Old Gilbert quality. Happy New Years to All!!

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, mike <civicman_97@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mike <civicman_97@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:45 PM

hi everyone. so yesterday i took my NEW Mikado that i just got on
christmas in to get the smoke unit fixed. i took it to the Train Depot in Manassas
which is the closest lionel service station. i now have to wait 3-4 weeks
to get it back. which i think is pretty slow. i am considering writing
lionel an email about their poor quality control and they should be re-embersing
for time spent without my locomotive. what do you all think?

Mike J.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58181 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel
Matt,

I have a 6-49038 "Walking Brakeman" car with a defective truck. The truck
simply fell apart while the car was running as part of a Christmas
display. The car is ONLY run several hours a year, the truck problem is obviously
a poor design issue. I am finding that many of us who bought A/F by
LIONEL have the same issue.

WILL YOU provide replacement trucks for this car????

If you provide decent trucks and the riverts, I can replace the old trucks
myself.

Thank You for your help,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58182 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: 2010 Spring Spree forms uploaded
By popular demand, I have replaced the "Word" version of the four forms with PDF versions. They are in our Files section under 2010_Spring_Spree.

And the dates of the Spree are Friday 30 April and Saturday 1 May, 2010. The location is Dearborn Michigan.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom Hawley
Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58183 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Gentlemen,

I sent an email to Matt Ashba, it just was released by S-trains. I will
fwd his reply IF there is one. I will then take appropriate steps until I
get someone's attention at LIONEL. I see Jerry Calabrece twice a year, I
may see a LIONEL Rep this weekend.
Anyone wishing to use my email to Matt as a basic idea is more than
welcome, IF we send enough, maybe something positive will happen. IF NOT, I
don't have to have Lionel "quality" when real quality exists from the
competition.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/6/2010 1:17:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaytewilli@... writes:

Hopefully the folks at Lionel are listening and have a
"champion" within their organization that is pushing hard for quality.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58184 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Didn't the Feds actually try to RUN the "House of Ill Repute" and failed
miserably at it. The way they collectively screw up everything else (Gov't)
it's almost impossible to believe they screwed up sc------.

Jim "laughing on the Keystone Main" Lyle


In a message dated 1/6/2010 1:19:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cornwall9@... writes:

When the government busted a house of ill repute and failed after they
raided it, imagine what they would do to our



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58185 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Big Boy
Received mine today and it runs perfectly on American Models track and the
cab 1 TMCC unit. Lots of smoke too. Sounds are terrific. The tender is a
bit "tippy" and requires some slowing down on the 21" curves. Think I'll swap
out the rear flanged wheel set with a blind set. Clears my tunnel portals
by about 1/16 inch. Pheeeew!..Overall, I am very pleased with it. The too
wide trailing truck isn't an issue with me either. After all it is a BIG BOY.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58186 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Why don't you replace both trucks with SHS caboose trucks? Look better and
work flawlessly..

Steve


In a message dated 01/06/2010 11:21:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
WJJIM@... writes:




Matt,

I have a 6-49038 "Walking Brakeman" car with a defective truck. The truck
simply fell apart while the car was running as part of a Christmas
display. The car is ONLY run several hours a year, the truck problem is
obviously
a poor design issue. I am finding that many of us who bought A/F by
LIONEL have the same issue.

WILL YOU provide replacement trucks for this car????

If you provide decent trucks and the riverts, I can replace the old trucks
myself.

Thank You for your help,

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58187 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Jim.... Its hard to believe they could and did mess it up...... CONSIDERING ALL THE PRACTICE THE GOVERNMENT HAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....
Now its the peoples turn to show the polititions how TO DO IT!!!!!
Maybe the failure lays in they thought they had to give it away!!!!
Bob

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From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:32 PM


 



Didn't the Feds actually try to RUN the "House of Ill Repute" and failed
miserably at it. The way they collectively screw up everything else (Gov't)
it's almost impossible to believe they screwed up sc------.

Jim "laughing on the Keystone Main" Lyle


In a message dated 1/6/2010 1:19:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cornwall9@yahoo. com writes:

When the government busted a house of ill repute and failed after they
raided it, imagine what they would do to our

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58188 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Yes Jim,
 
That is the story. They took it over and actually tried to "operate" it before they failed miserably. What probably happened is that so many "officials" needed to "test" the product that they killed any profit they might have gotten from it's operation. The girls were too tired to work and the whiskey was probably watered down to the point of iced tea.
 
My model of Wicked Wanda's (Mattern's Tavern) on my layout was situated close to the yard to accomodate the railroaders getting off work. I always made a profit because I left it alone. <grin>
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
 
>>>>>
Didn't the Feds actually try to RUN the "House of Ill Repute" and failed 
miserably at it.  The way they collectively screw up everything else  (Gov't)
it's almost impossible to believe they screwed up sc------.
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58189 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Hi Mike,
 
Great letter. I would like to get Mr. Ashba's email address to send my concerns about quality control myself. Could you post it please?
 
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Hi everyone. I sent Matt Ashba from lionel this morning and he responded immediatly. here is what i sent him........
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58190 From: TWesthelle@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: HO Lionel Help Needed
I wonder if anyone here has any information about Lionel HO. I received
as a kid, a Lionel HO Alaska Railroad Set, it had a Blue and Gold Alco and B
unpowered unit. The set also had a poultry car, Alaska boxcar, NYC
gondola, Seaboard Coastline carrier and boat and Alaska Caboose.
If anyone has any information about the set contents, value etc, Id be
appreciative of any info that can be provided. Im trying to put together this
set to round out a childhood collection. I wonder what track, trestles,
transformer, etc may have been included. Thanks in advance.
Tom Westhelle
Oviedo, FL


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58191 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Jim:

Does Lionel REALLY care about quality? I doubt it, although maybe the market could change a little.

Just how big is the percentage of the "Flyonel" production that is actually RUN? I think that Lionel counts on 90% of their product being COLLECTED. That is, that it is brought home and put on a shelf. \
Now,you really have to wonder if Lionel would go bankrupt from warranty repairs if 90-100% of buyers actually RAN their stuff!

Steve

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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:26:12 EST


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58192 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: HO Lionel Help Needed
Contact Librarian Jan Athey at NTTM, _ref-library@..._
(mailto:ref-library@...) . Jan is the best of the best, NTTM
LIbrary has out of print references on LIONEL HO. 717-687-8623

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In a message dated 1/6/2010 4:29:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
TWesthelle@... writes:

I wonder if anyone here has any information about Lionel HO. I received
as a kid, a Lionel HO Alaska Railroad Set, it had a Blue and Gold Alco
and B
unpowered unit. The set also had a poultry car, Alaska boxcar, NYC
gondola, Seaboard Coastline carrier and boat and Alaska Caboose.
If anyone has any information about the set contents, value etc, Id be
appreciative of any info that can be provided. Im trying to put together
this
set to round out a childhood collection. I wonder what track, trestles,
transformer, etc may have been included. Thanks in advance.
Tom Westhelle
Oviedo, FL


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58193 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Steve,

Best idea by far, EXCEPT PVMR paid good money for a "working" car. We
bought the Baldwin switcher at the same time (democracy, we voted, I lost) It
almost ran for 3 minutes before it came to a rest smoking. Figure two
cars was too much drag????
Someone drove 50 miles to get it returned and replaced. "The "new" one
sits on a shelf in the barn, we do NOT take it along with us.
Matt DID respond, sending my email to "customer service group" personally.
We'll see.
Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/6/2010 4:25:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
boss31@... writes:

Why don't you replace both trucks with SHS caboose trucks? Look better and

work flawlessly..

Steve


In a message dated 01/06/2010 11:21:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
WJJIM@... writes:




Matt,

I have a 6-49038 "Walking Brakeman" car with a defective truck. The truck
simply fell apart while the car was running as part of a Christmas
display. The car is ONLY run several hours a year, the truck problem is
obviously
a poor design issue. I am finding that many of us who bought A/F by
LIONEL have the same issue.

WILL YOU provide replacement trucks for this car????

If you provide decent trucks and the riverts, I can replace the old
trucks
myself.

Thank You for your help,

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58194 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Hi,
yes, they do, or they would be out of business, just like any other company on this planet Earth.

And yes, they do have problems with O gauge products I am told by O gauge friends, just like any other train or consumer company has.

If they really did not care about AF S products, I am sure they would of stopped it by now. then you would hear some screaming from the peanut gallery.

mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: schwartzsj@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control



Jim:

Does Lionel REALLY care about quality? I doubt it, although maybe the market could change a little.

Just how big is the percentage of the "Flyonel" production that is actually RUN? I think that Lionel counts on 90% of their product being COLLECTED. That is, that it is brought home and put on a shelf. \
Now,you really have to wonder if Lionel would go bankrupt from warranty repairs if 90-100% of buyers actually RAN their stuff!

Steve

Please note: message attached

From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:26:12 EST

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58195 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Steve,

I guess we're just gonna find out. Ya know I can make noise when it seems
like the "thing to do"

How goes it in the frozen Lehigh Valley??

Jim


In a message dated 1/6/2010 4:45:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
schwartzsj@... writes:

Jim:

Does Lionel REALLY care about quality? I doubt it, although maybe the
market could change a little.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58196 From: N Becker Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Train Minder Saga
I heard from them today.....

"I am sorry for the delay in replying. Our tech support employee
Resigned somewhat unexpectedly. We are in the process of
Recruiting/hiring a replacement. One of us will be back to you soon, no
Later than this weekend.

Thanks for your patience.

SJS"

Yeah, & the check's in the mail.....

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58197 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Quality control was a problem for many years in the automobile industry, particularly in the seventies and early eighties.
> Stumpy Stone...train guy and car guy...in Appalachia.

hey stumpy, had to laugh at that one, you are obviously too young to remember tha cars of the late 50s and 60s..... 2 true stories... i pulled the door handle of my 57 plymouth and it came off in my hands, and i turned a corner in my 61 rambler and the whole front left suspension collapsed... these cars were each about 3 years old at the time... while my am flyer trains in the baesment were working flawlessly for years and years.... dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 58198 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
In discussion with LIONEL, they thought was "Warranty Issue", pointed out
is "faulty product issue". Bet I talk to Jerry by the end of the week.
Jim


In a message dated 1/6/2010 5:42:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
WJJIM@... writes:

Steve,

I guess we're just gonna find out. Ya know I can make noise when it
seems
like the "thing to do"

How goes it in the frozen Lehigh Valley??

Jim


In a message dated 1/6/2010 4:45:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
schwartzsj@... writes:

Jim:

Does Lionel REALLY care about quality? I doubt it, although maybe the
market could change a little.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58199 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Chevy Quality control
My father bought a NEW '59 Chevy off the showroom floor, ready to go.
Next day, they put the gas gauge into the tank. He told them it was out of
alignment, they agrued "couldn't be" one tire lasted 2800 miles. OH, and
the engine was supposed to be hooked to a "PowerSlide" tranny, not a stick.
Dealer verified that at 105K when we replaced the rockers and lifers, with
parts for a PowerSlide engine.
I took it thru the State Police drivers course in third gear at 12 miles an
hour, Trooper wanted to know HOW??? Told him it was a Chevy. I got my
license.
Jim Lyle

In a message dated 1/6/2010 6:57:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
reynoldsdale@... writes:



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Quality control was a problem for many years in the automobile industry,
particularly in the seventies and early eighties.
> Stumpy Stone...train guy and car guy...in Appalachia.

hey stumpy, had to laugh at that one, you are obviously too young to
remember tha cars of the late 50s and 60s..... 2 true stories... i pulled the
door handle of my 57 plymouth and it came off in my hands, and i turned a
corner in my 61 rambler and the whole front left suspension collapsed... these
cars were each about 3 years old at the time... while my am flyer trains
in the baesment were working flawlessly for years and years.... dale



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58200 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Maybe it was one had a union and one didn't!!!! Just thinking.... Remember the old days when You took pride in what you did.... And I used to take my shotgun to school to go to a friends house later to go hunting.... Gee look at the Messes now.... Bob

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...> wrote:


From: reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Quality control
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 6:26 PM


 





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote:
>
> Quality control was a problem for many years in the automobile industry, particularly in the seventies and early eighties.
> Stumpy Stone...train guy and car guy...in Appalachia.

hey stumpy, had to laugh at that one, you are obviously too young to remember tha cars of the late 50s and 60s..... 2 true stories... i pulled the door handle of my 57 plymouth and it came off in my hands, and i turned a corner in my 61 rambler and the whole front left suspension collapsed... these cars were each about 3 years old at the time... while my am flyer trains in the baesment were working flawlessly for years and years.... dale








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Group: S-Trains Message: 58201 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Quality control
Ladies & Gentlemen,

I have OPENED the door on the LIONEL A/F truck issue. IF YOU have damaged
trucks with the same issues as mine, NOW is the time to let LIONEL know.
IF I am told it is my problem, then, I WILL talk to Jerry Calabrese about
it. THAT simple. I NEED your help in letting LIONEL know that this IS an
issue with a large number of their customers IF you wish to have the
problem rectified.
Ignoring the issue simply means accepting inferior product at an inflated
price over better quality offerings of their competitors. LIONEL is to be
congratulated for producing A/F, but, the product should actually have value
and work.

Contact Matt Ashba _Mashba@..._ (mailto:Mashba@...)

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58202 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Could be worse - poor quality control and design ultimately bankrupted British Leyland. The culprit - their most famous car of the sixties on - the Mini and its front drive sisters. Warranty recalls cost them so much they were never able to regain any semblence of profitability. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Quality control



Maybe it was one had a union and one didn't!!!! Just thinking.... Remember the old days when You took pride in what you did.... And I used to take my shotgun to school to go to a friends house later to go hunting.... Gee look at the Messes now.... Bob

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...> wrote:

From: reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Quality control
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 6:26 PM



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote:
>
> Quality control was a problem for many years in the automobile industry, particularly in the seventies and early eighties.
> Stumpy Stone...train guy and car guy...in Appalachia.

hey stumpy, had to laugh at that one, you are obviously too young to remember tha cars of the late 50s and 60s..... 2 true stories... i pulled the door handle of my 57 plymouth and it came off in my hands, and i turned a corner in my 61 rambler and the whole front left suspension collapsed... these cars were each about 3 years old at the time... while my am flyer trains in the baesment were working flawlessly for years and years.... dale

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58203 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Jim.... Assuming you have 50 cars..... what percentage would you say is defective? 10% - 20% - 50% - etc....How long can we get to check our cars and Locos for trucks and Locos for operation! We all have many cars and locos that have never been out of the box... Pacifics, northerns, Docksiders, Etc.... What about Accessories, etc.... The Mag crane I have been told is a piece of junk... from a repair man here in Jacksonville....
I guess many have problems.... Tell Lionel we need some time to accuratly define the problems.... Bob

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Quality control
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 8:27 PM


 



Ladies & Gentlemen,

I have OPENED the door on the LIONEL A/F truck issue. IF YOU have damaged
trucks with the same issues as mine, NOW is the time to let LIONEL know.
IF I am told it is my problem, then, I WILL talk to Jerry Calabrese about
it. THAT simple. I NEED your help in letting LIONEL know that this IS an
issue with a large number of their customers IF you wish to have the
problem rectified.
Ignoring the issue simply means accepting inferior product at an inflated
price over better quality offerings of their competitors. LIONEL is to be
congratulated for producing A/F, but, the product should actually have value
and work.

Contact Matt Ashba _Mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:Mashba@Lionel. com)

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58204 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Hi Jim,
 
I contacted Mr. Ashba today about my broken truck issue and my operating car issue (the car ejects a crate every time it goes over a switch. The power truck shorts across the rails and activates the mechanism)
 
He responded within a couple of hours. I cannot fault Lionel for a fast reply. Now I would hope that they undertand that the truck problem is not an isolated issue. My car was purchased at York TCA meet but I feel that new is new and should not matter if it was purchased at a "Lionel" store or WalMart.
 
I can hope that every email they get will help improve their quality control problem.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58205 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
Robert,
 
My apologies but you are wrong in your statement. In my somewhat average collection of over 200 pieces, I do NOT have any pieces that did not come out of the box immediately after they were recieved. Every piece I own has actually been run. I am one of those strange people that believe toy trains were actually manufactured to be used, not stored in some dark space and aged like a fine wine. This Christmas, I received a beautifu Flyerl 0-6-0 dockside switcher. It was running on my layout 2 hours after it was opened.
 
This is the real problem. Folks that collect toy trains and try to use them like rare coins for an "investment"  have created both the problems and results of not checking them out to make sure they really work. Manufacturers are using this behavior to insulate themselves against timely warranty issues. By the time a real model railroader gets the piece, the warranty has long expired. Asking a manufacturer to "wait until I have time in a couple of years" is ridiculous. Buy the toy, USE the TOY, it is not a stamp, coin, or even a rare wine. It was originally made to enjoy. I really love the guys that have unopened boxes stashed away only to discover that the castings have turned to dust, the paint has changed color and the wiring has disintegrated when the box is finally opened by their grandchildren.
 
Toy trains were made to be played with.
 
Respectfully,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Jim.... <snip>  We all have many cars and locos that have never been out of the box... ... Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58206 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
MY issue is the trucks only, poorly designed, apparently a major issue for
some of us. Car ONLY used during the Christmas season, maybe 4 to 5 hours
tops a yr. Obviously, LOW mileage. I am fortunate that this is the ONLY
car I am stuck with, a "committee decision" because one member thought he
could get a better deal. HE is the one who drove the fifty miles to return
the Baldwin, which we don't even take out of the box (lessens smoke in the
room).
ANYONE with an issue with the trucks failing HAS to contact LIONEL for this
to get us satisfactory action.

Jim


In a message dated 1/6/2010 8:59:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rcon7@... writes:

Jim.... Assuming you have 50 cars..... what percentage would you say is
defective? 10% - 20% - 50% - etc....How long can we get to check our cars and
Locos for trucks and Locos for operation! We all have many cars and locos
that have never been out of the box... Pacifics, northerns, Docksiders,
Etc.... What about Accessories, etc.... The Mag crane I have been told is a
piece of junk... from a repair man here in Jacksonville....
I guess many have problems.... Tell Lionel we need some time to accuratly
define the problems.... Bob

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Quality control
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 8:27 PM






Ladies & Gentlemen,

I have OPENED the door on the LIONEL A/F truck issue. IF YOU have damaged
trucks with the same issues as mine, NOW is the time to let LIONEL know.
IF I am told it is my problem, then, I WILL talk to Jerry Calabrese about
it. THAT simple. I NEED your help in letting LIONEL know that this IS an
issue with a large number of their customers IF you wish to have the
problem rectified.
Ignoring the issue simply means accepting inferior product at an inflated
price over better quality offerings of their competitors. LIONEL is to be
congratulated for producing A/F, but, the product should actually have
value
and work.

Contact Matt Ashba _Mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:Mashba@Lionel. com)

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58207 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Kulp
. . . . . . . the car ejects a crate every time it goes over a switch. . . .
. . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > >
That's cool. I want one of those. I can hardly wait to see the U33C
diesels.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 58208 From: michael robinson Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: a ?
a big ? will a af air-chime work on a lionel pa-1 diesel, if any 1 could help


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58209 From: mike jones Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: took my NEW mikado to get fixed
Hi Nick,
Here is Matt's email. (mailto:mashba@lionel. com) Good luck.
Mike J.


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From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] took my NEW mikado to get fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:27 PM


 



Hi Mike,
 
Great letter. I would like to get Mr. Ashba's email address to send my concerns about quality control myself. Could you post it please?
 
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Hi everyone. I sent Matt Ashba from lionel this morning and he responded immediatly. here is what i sent him........
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58210 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Northern Wheel Problem
Hi Group,




I am having a problem with a 4-8-4 Northern.. The engine moves from side to side when running, almost like a Duck waddles.. The front goes left and the cab to the right. .. The engine runs great except for this problem..The engine has Pull-Mor tires on the back and they are in good condition.. What is the "Fix" to get it back running normal ..?..thx

Mike






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58211 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/6/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
Get in touch with Steve from SnS trains, Sounds like the wheels need to be
quartered or re-quartered


In a message dated 1/6/2010 7:37:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mikejoan45@... writes:




Hi Group,

I am having a problem with a 4-8-4 Northern.. The engine moves from side
to side when running, almost like a Duck waddles.. The front goes left and
the cab to the right. .. The engine runs great except for this problem..The
engine has Pull-Mor tires on the back and they are in good condition.. What
is the "Fix" to get it back running normal ..?..thx

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58212 From: canambob91710k Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Quality control: My two cents
After reading the many comments here about Flyonel quality control I have begun checking many of my boxed engines and sets. All my trains were purchased with the intent of operating them rather than being shelf queens. As I currently only have a temporary layout ( trackage & real estate rights for the permanent layout are still being negotiated with the wife) many of my purchases are still boxed and unrun. So far my B&O Mikado passenger set has an engine with inoperative smoke and valve linkage that periodically shorts out and throws sparks. I also have a black UP Northern that will not negotiate a single lap of my layout ( new SHS S-Trax) without stalling. On this same loop all my SHS and American Models as well as original Gilbert engines operate flawlessly. At this point I'm almost afraid to test any more Flyonel equipment for fear I'll blow a fuse. I'm dumbfounded as to why AM and SHS can produce such quality from the same country that gives us this Flyonel junk. Poor quality control is inexcusable on a forty dollar boxcar much less an engine or set costing many hundreds of dollars and wanting reliable operating products right out of the box is not a ridiculous expectation. Much as I love Flyer and some of Lionel's new offerings being on a fixed income may lead to some tempering of my enthusiasm if quality control is not stepped up.

Bob Hendrickson
Group: S-Trains Message: 58213 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
How about nickeled and dimed. LOL

Could not resist, as I have been there before on a engine with a different issue(s). Long story someday. LOL

Ahh, yes, trains just like tropical fish I say. LOL

But you gotta love it.

Mike M.

----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Wheel Problem



Get in touch with Steve from SnS trains, Sounds like the wheels need to be
quartered or re-quartered


In a message dated 1/6/2010 7:37:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mikejoan45@... writes:

Hi Group,

I am having a problem with a 4-8-4 Northern.. The engine moves from side
to side when running, almost like a Duck waddles.. The front goes left and
the cab to the right. .. The engine runs great except for this problem..The
engine has Pull-Mor tires on the back and they are in good condition.. What
is the "Fix" to get it back running normal ..?..thx

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58214 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: a ?
Hi Michael,
Gilbert American Flyer Air Chime will not work with Lione AF PA Diesels.
Tom Seccia

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From: michael robinson <mickmick1958@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: a ?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 10:15 PM







 









a big ? will a af air-chime work on a lionel pa-1 diesel, if any 1 could help



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58215 From: clayton deich Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
 Mike look for a bent axel, and or a bent wheel on the axel. Try to run the train off the track  in your hand upside down to see what the wheels are doing.  Also the space between the wheel, and the frame this can make the fit to the track good or bad. Check old emails for the size of the gap. Quartering the wheels will make the train run smoothly, but I don't think it will change a hop in this case if the axel is bent. Quartering with the tool to press the wheels on the axel will fix a bent wheel that had been pressed on at the wrong angle.  
 What's the number of the train, and was it AF or Lionel? 

 Clayton Oregon
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> wrote:

From: mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Northern Wheel Problem
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 7:11 PM
















 









Hi Group,



I am having a problem with a 4-8-4 Northern.. The engine moves from side to side when running, almost like a Duck waddles.. The front goes left and the cab to the right. .. The engine runs great except for this problem..The engine has Pull-Mor tires on the back and they are in good condition.. What is the "Fix" to get it back running normal ..?..thx



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58216 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Jewel Question
Hi Jim,
� It's very easy for someone to take an original 316 pilot and put the repro green jewels in the marker lamps.  I sell a lot of the jewels.  Many people have done this. Green jewels were also used on Northern Boiler Fronts.      
�    Tom Seccia     


--- On Wed, 1/6/10, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Jewel Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 9:40 AM







 









Thanks for the info on the wheels. Hard telling where this pilot assembly came from.

Jim E.



----- Original Message -----

From: "Dave at LBR Enterprises" <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2010 4:42:10 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Jewel Question



Jim,

All four of the engine jewels should be green and the tender jewels are red.

The pilot wheels should be plastic.

Dave



LBR Restorations U.S.A.



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From: Jim < jimensign50@ comcast.net >

Subject: [S-Trains] Jewel Question

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:44 PM



My 316 has four lanterns on the engine ( two atop the boiler and two on the pilot) and two more on top the tender. The two lanterns on the tender still have their green "jewels" in place. All the jewels are missing from the engine. Should they all be red?



Also, this engine has metal wheels in the pilot but the parts list in the service manual says plastic. What should they be? So far, the metal ones have caused me problems shorting against the cowcatcher, so I've considered changing them out anyway. What was original equipment?



I'm pretty sure this engine has been assembled by committee many times!! (But it's fun!)

Jim E.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58217 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Dear Bob,
Same Country? They are all made in the same FACTORY....
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58218 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58219 From: A E Johnson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Quality Control
Folks, you got near and dear to my heart. Before I retired, I spent over 45
years in Manufacturing, of which over 35 was in Quality Control, Quality
Assurance and Quality Management. As a manufacturer you must have a plan for
quality. Lack of a plan for quality is a sure plan for UNquality.



There are really three types of Quality.

1.) Quality of Design

2.) Quality of Manufacturing

3.) Quality of service, should you have a problem with either of the
above.



Design for Quality must have a design review. A powerful tool for this is
the "House of Quality". Every assembly, subassembly, and component is
reviewed for what can go wrong, and a plan of action should it happen. Be
assured that Murphy followed me in my shadow my total career.

Quality of Manufacturing included knowledge of process capabilities to hold
tolerances. It may include SPC.

Quality of Service means that there is definite structure for handling
complaints and taking immediate corrective action.



As a buyer, a customer, as the supplier if he has an ISO-9000 registered
Quality System. If he doesn't, then he is planning to have his product fail
in your hands.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58220 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Bob,
List your problems/issues and contact Matt Ashba _Mashba@..._
(mailto:Mashba@...) . Apparently this is the only way LIONEL will know
how many issues there are. Whether or not it matters is a separate issue.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/7/2010 6:40:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
canambob91710k@... writes:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58221 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: AF HO Track
And now for something completely different, as I queue up the Liberty Bell March.

Here is some AF HO track with roadbed and it says Made In Japan on the bottom.

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-HO-Track-Piece_W0QQitemZ130356767063QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item1e59de6957

And now it is back to two rail track.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58222 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Your experience is well worth a letter to Lionel - probably right to the head cheese directly. In fact, letters from everyone who has real world examples of Lionel/Flyonel quality problems would be appropriate.

There appears to be a systemic weakness in the Lionel organization that, if they want to continue in business (and I assume they do after their recent 'near death' experience), they have to fix and fix quickly. There is NO excuse for this poor out-of-the-box performance.

Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Mo.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58223 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Wheel Problem
Related to this- I would also have you look to make sure the drive wheels are not loose and sliding back and forth on the axle.
Jim E.

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From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2010 1:57:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Wheel Problem






Mike look for a bent axel, and or a bent wheel on the axel. Try to run the train off the track in your hand upside down to see what the wheels are doing. Also the space between the wheel, and the frame this can make the fit to the track good or bad. Check old emails for the size of the gap. Quartering the wheels will make the train run smoothly, but I don't think it will change a hop in this case if the axel is bent. Quartering with the tool to press the wheels on the axel will fix a bent wheel that had been pressed on at the wrong angle.
What's the number of the train, and was it AF or Lionel?

Clayton Oregon
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From: mikejoan45@... < mikejoan45@... >
Subject: [S-Trains] Northern Wheel Problem
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 7:11 PM



Hi Group,

I am having a problem with a 4-8-4 Northern.. The engine moves from side to side when running, almost like a Duck waddles.. The front goes left and the cab to the right. .. The engine runs great except for this problem..The engine has Pull-Mor tires on the back and they are in good condition.. What is the "Fix" to get it back running normal ..?..thx

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58224 From: Jim Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: No Reverse on Big Boy
FINALLY got my Big Boy. After reading all the posts on here reporting problems some of my enthusiasm was turning to doubts. But it is a beautiful beast. It does have it's quirks on my layout, which is not the latest or greatest. Mostly vintage AF track with one outer loop of 54" diameter Flyonel curves, where I run my Flyonel Northern on a CW-80 Lionel transformer, so I run strictly in Conventional mode.

The Big Boy negotiates the curves fine, but doesn't like my old AF switches. A bit bumpy, I guess, though I barely feel anything with my fingers and my old locos have no issues. More forgiving, I guess. The BB bumps just enough to interrupt power, but usually makes it through and restarts right away. Also had to take off two 697 pressure switches and my mail pick-up post/third rail as they caused a power interruption.

The sound is great. The smoke is great. My biggest unsolved problem is that I do not have reverse. It acts like it is "locked" in "forward". The manual says the "program/run" switch can be used to lock in one direction by moving it to "program" , but I have it set in the "run"
position. I don't know much about this wireless tether and I read someone had one that didn't line up, but mine looks in-line to me. Could this be the reason for no reverse? Other suggestions for finding reverse? Double clutch?? LOL
Thanks for your help.
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58225 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Well, I guess that tells you at least a couple of things:
1) On quality issues related to the manufacturing process the factory
must perceive that Lionel is "soft" on quality issues compared to AM and
SHS. Maybe the factory puts all the "new" employees on the Lionel lines
and the more experienced on the others. Maybe representatives from AM
and SHS make more visits/audits to their supplier and Lionel does not
thus giving the impression to the factory that they don't care as much
2) On quality issues related to actual design, maybe AM and SHS have a
better preproduction design and engineering review process than Lionel
does. I guess if they do have engineering reviews of new products, who
is doing the reviews? Hopefully individual(s) who know the model train
business. Does anybody know, does Lionel do their own engineering or is
it "farmed out" to the company that owns the factory or some other 3rd
party engineering firm? That would explain a lot too.

Daryl



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> Dear Bob,
> Same Country? They are all made in the same FACTORY....
> Don
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58226 From: David Dewey Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Steve,
Of course it runs fine on your layout, as you have the modern power for it, and no action rails for operating cars. Those of us who bought it to run on a Flyer style layout are the ones with problems, and there's my complaint about Flyonel--they don't look at the entire compatiblity issue! It wouldn't have taken THAT much more to have made narrower trucks and to have modified the tender shell so the rigid truck sides would have been mounted inboard on the tender floor.
I love the looks of my BB, now to make it operate in the enviroment that I plan on building.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58227 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: More quality control adventures...
I have owned and driven nearly 90 cars since 1965, from a Model T hot rod to an MGA "Twin Cam" to several VWs, to Stock Cars back in the seventies. I've been a "car guy" almost as long as a "train guy."
The MGA was similar to every British car of it's day...cursed by Lucas Electrics (known as "The Prince of Darkness" in car circles.) I carried a box of tools, wire, fuses, light bulbs, electrical tape, and a list of all the part numbers for the generator, starter, etc. Besides that, the car always leaked oil and the two carburetors were always getting out of adjustment.
Great British car fans told me I "just didn't understand." You're right, I guess I expect a car to run reliably and give good service.
In the seventies, I bought only one, a Plymouth Volare'. I had driven several used mid-sixties Plymouth Valiants and Dodge Darts with the "Slant Six" and "Torque Flight" automatic. Those cars were hard to kill except for the igniton resistor block. They did eventually disolve from rust as most other cars of the era.
I went through five disc brake calipers on the Volare in 21,000 miles, the carburetor kept shaking apart and finally the exhaust manifold split open. It was so cheaply designed that it was no wonder Chrysler went bankrupt...you can't polish a turd.
I have owned a '50 Ford, a '53 Ford, a '56 Ford, a'56 Chevy, three '57 Chevies, and a '58 Chevy. ALL were better than ANY seventies car I ever owned, including a nice '72 Monte Carlo. I had a '79 Olds wagon which was so completely "rebuilt" that it became known locally as the "Junkyard Dog!"
Even so, the bottom line was this: If the quality failure rate per units made in Detroit was the same as Lionel's, the "Big Three" would have been gone YEARS ago!
Stumpy Stone...I still love old cars too...Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58228 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Mike,
 
Now that I'm rolling on the floor laughing I can't get that music out of my head. I wonder what our hate spewing email buddy would say about Flyer made in Japan? Well now it's time for my silly walk. Have a grat day.
 
Bob Hendrickson




From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF HO Track
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:48 AM


 



And now for something completely different, as I queue up the Liberty Bell March.

Here is some AF HO track with roadbed and it says Made In Japan on the bottom.

http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-HO- Track-Piece_ W0QQitemZ1303567 67063QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1e59de6 957

And now it is back to two rail track.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58229 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Don,
 
I have purchased engines, sets, rolling stock, track, trucks and couplers from you over the years with only 1 QC issue ever and that was quickly rectified within 15 minutes of visiting your office. Your commitment not only to quality but also to customer service speaks volumes not only to your dedication to the hobby but your integrity as well. As a former sevrice business owner I know that maintaining high levels of good customer service is not always easy or painless and I'm sure that overseeing production from thousands of miles away causes endless headaches but you guys have set the bar pretty high. Lionel should take note of how you operate...they might learn something.
 
Bob Hendrickson

From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:58 AM


 



I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...










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Group: S-Trains Message: 58230 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
I can attest to the below that the screws of the 2008 Christmas car will come out, as they did this year.

Somewhere in my carpet are two very short screws.

However, Don did come through in sending me the right screws for the car.

Things happen and Don took care of it.

Things like this happen in all industries.

Mike
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From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents



I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58231 From: Neil Trump Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Big Boy issues
As there have been a number of people with various problems associated with the BB, perhaps what we need is an FAQ page that lists all the problems that people have had with all the solutions to rectify them.

The obvious place to have this page in my opinion would be Carl's website. I say this as Carl seems to have an in depth knowledge of the beast already and has also helped out other people with suggestions on problems the last few weeks.

Although I have seen Carl offer solutions, we don't always see the outcome, so perhaps if those people that have had problems and have them resolved, can they enlighten us so that we can collate this information.

This is all dependant if Carl wishes to take up the offer of doing this.

Regards,

Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58232 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Good Idea Neil!

I was thinking doing just that.

In fact I have it started at:
http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/af_big_boy_issues.htm

Please email me at carl@... with your experiences and if and how
they were resolved and I will add them for others to research. Include as
much detail as possible!
Does it happen in Command mode, Conventional Mode. Forward, reverse, type of
track and switches used. Were you able to repair it yourself and how.
Photos can be added too.

Thanks,
Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Neil Trump
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy issues



As there have been a number of people with various problems associated
with the BB, perhaps what we need is an FAQ page that lists all the problems
that people have had with all the solutions to rectify them.

The obvious place to have this page in my opinion would be Carl's website.
I say this as Carl seems to have an in depth knowledge of the beast already
and has also helped out other people with suggestions on problems the last
few weeks.

Although I have seen Carl offer solutions, we don't always see the
outcome, so perhaps if those people that have had problems and have them
resolved, can they enlighten us so that we can collate this information.

This is all dependant if Carl wishes to take up the offer of doing this.

Regards,

Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58233 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
I BELIEVE that between Chuck Race, Tom Beil, Ben Stiles and myself, we
have displayed all the known variations of Gilbert & American Flyer HO TRACK
at NTTM, under the "S" layout.

Be sure to check it out when NTTM reopens in the Spring.

Jim Lyle






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58234 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
"...And now it is back to two rail track. So, what is AF HO track,
chopped liver?

I know this was meant as a comic relief, but seriously, is anyone
curious about who made this track. It is just this sort of stuff I am
trying to document on the Gilbert HO Index site www.gilbertho.org

Another list member and I have conjectured that it might be Sakai.
Does anyone have any other thoughts on this?

Dale Smith

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
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>
> Mike Marmer
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58235 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Things like this SHOULD happen in all industries, the involved company
makes the problem right. My hat. also is off to the SHS crew.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/7/2010 12:05:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:


Things like this happen in all industries.

Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58236 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
I had a 76 Olds Cutlass Supreme, great car backed by GREAT dealer. The
back bumper fell off.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/7/2010 12:00:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:

I had a '79 Olds wagon which was so completely "rebuilt" that it became
known locally as the "Junkyard Dog!"


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58237 From: alguckes2001 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: More on quality
I was told recently the the parent company of Bachmann Trains has bought the factory where Lionel is made. As an aside, the trains I have owned made in Japan (Primarily Kato) and Germany (Marklin and later LGB) were uniformly high quality. Of course the investors/bankers wanted both Marklin and LGB to be more profitable and the result has been a mess for both companies. But quality control is a management issue, not a worker or country of origin issue.

Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 58238 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: No Reverse on Big Boy
Can you borrow a command setup from a freind to see it you have no reverse
in command mode or is it just conventional?
Does it cycle when power is cycled, that is, does it take several
applications (F,N,R,F) of power before it goes forward again?

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:49 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] No Reverse on Big Boy



FINALLY got my Big Boy. After reading all the posts on here reporting
problems some of my enthusiasm was turning to doubts. But it is a beautiful
beast. It does have it's quirks on my layout, which is not the latest or
greatest. Mostly vintage AF track with one outer loop of 54" diameter
Flyonel curves, where I run my Flyonel Northern on a CW-80 Lionel
transformer, so I run strictly in Conventional mode.

The Big Boy negotiates the curves fine, but doesn't like my old AF
switches. A bit bumpy, I guess, though I barely feel anything with my
fingers and my old locos have no issues. More forgiving, I guess. The BB
bumps just enough to interrupt power, but usually makes it through and
restarts right away. Also had to take off two 697 pressure switches and my
mail pick-up post/third rail as they caused a power interruption.

The sound is great. The smoke is great. My biggest unsolved problem is
that I do not have reverse. It acts like it is "locked" in "forward". The
manual says the "program/run" switch can be used to lock in one direction by
moving it to "program" , but I have it set in the "run"
position. I don't know much about this wireless tether and I read someone
had one that didn't line up, but mine looks in-line to me. Could this be the
reason for no reverse? Other suggestions for finding reverse? Double
clutch?? LOL
Thanks for your help.
Jim E.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58239 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Dale.

Interesting, as I just sent your website to the TCA list I am on.

A few weeks ago I mention AF HO and many on that list had no idea that AF made and sold HO products.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF HO Track



"...And now it is back to two rail track. So, what is AF HO track,
chopped liver?

I know this was meant as a comic relief, but seriously, is anyone
curious about who made this track. It is just this sort of stuff I am
trying to document on the Gilbert HO Index site www.gilbertho.org

Another list member and I have conjectured that it might be Sakai.
Does anyone have any other thoughts on this?

Dale Smith

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
>
> ...And now it is back to two rail track.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58240 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: AF HO Track
Bob,

I am glad I gave you a laugh. LOL

I think that person will say this picture of Made In Japan AC Gilbert was made up just like the Moon Walk in 1969.

Okay, queue up the Lumber Jack song now.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF HO Track



Mike,

Now that I'm rolling on the floor laughing I can't get that music out of my head. I wonder what our hate spewing email buddy would say about Flyer made in Japan? Well now it's time for my silly walk. Have a grat day.

Bob Hendrickson

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF HO Track
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:48 AM



And now for something completely different, as I queue up the Liberty Bell March.

Here is some AF HO track with roadbed and it says Made In Japan on the bottom.

http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-HO- Track-Piece_ W0QQitemZ1303567 67063QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1e59de6 957

And now it is back to two rail track.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58241 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Guys..... This is a very good idea..... How about expanding the site to include other items and fixes.... Maybe there is one and I missed it... I have been aquiring, but not using stuff for years waiting for the time when its slow with work.... Now its dead so I am now starting to play with my trains.... ( If a gal doesn't interfear! ).... Remember when a Kid.... Trains until a gal came along..... Well even at 71 same problems again!!!! Bob

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:


From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy issues
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:47 PM


 



Good Idea Neil!

I was thinking doing just that.

In fact I have it started at:
http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ af_big_boy_ issues.htm

Please email me at carl@tuveson. com with your experiences and if and how
they were resolved and I will add them for others to research. Include as
much detail as possible!
Does it happen in Command mode, Conventional Mode. Forward, reverse, type of
track and switches used. Were you able to repair it yourself and how.
Photos can be added too.

Thanks,
Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of Neil Trump
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy issues

As there have been a number of people with various problems associated
with the BB, perhaps what we need is an FAQ page that lists all the problems
that people have had with all the solutions to rectify them.

The obvious place to have this page in my opinion would be Carl's website.
I say this as Carl seems to have an in depth knowledge of the beast already
and has also helped out other people with suggestions on problems the last
few weeks.

Although I have seen Carl offer solutions, we don't always see the
outcome, so perhaps if those people that have had problems and have them
resolved, can they enlighten us so that we can collate this information.

This is all dependant if Carl wishes to take up the offer of doing this.

Regards,

Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58242 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Screws on the Carpet lost....... GO BAREFOOT AND YOU WILL FIND THEM FAST!!!!!! Bob

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:25 AM


 



I can attest to the below that the screws of the 2008 Christmas car will come out, as they did this year.

Somewhere in my carpet are two very short screws.

However, Don did come through in sending me the right screws for the car.

Things happen and Don took care of it.

Things like this happen in all industries.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58243 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Like most of you I like AF trains a lot. I like their transformers a lot too. The lights in the old 30B and 16B have a magical power to transport me back to simpler times.... the good old days. When I got back into the hobby a few years ago all I wanted was a Hudson that smokes and a Santa Fe passenger set. That mission is accomplished a few times over now and my trains run on a 16 by 22 foot layout which is (unfortunately) ten inches from the ceiling.

As an operator I acquired 'well-used' locos most of which I have remotored with can motors, with flywheels where they will fit. Some locos in average condition or better have been left stock and while they are all run, the remotored locos are run the most.

Lately, the possibilities of TMCC have caught my attention. Yes, I am a catching on late. I checked out some great links at Carl Tuveson's website and was pleased to learn that I can keep the AF transformers and use TMCC to control track power! That sounds almost too good to be true! I may not be ready for new Lionel yet (unless they did an S Berkshire), but the hand-held cordless controller would surely be nice.

Could any of you who have tried this setup provide some feedback on how well it works for you?
Does the system provide enough current to run original AF Alcos?
Will the Horn & Bell buttons on the controller trigger the horn & bell on an AM GG-1?

As always, Thanks for your help.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
working through the blizzard of Oh -ten
Group: S-Trains Message: 58244 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More on quality
Dear Al,
Yes, the company is Kader Industries. They are a Hong Kong
family. The business was started by the grandfather in Kowloon after
WWII. You can read about their history at:

http://www.bachmannindustries.com/our_company/history.html

Don

On Jan 7, 2010, at 1:13 PM, alguckes2001 wrote:

> I was told recently the the parent company of Bachmann Trains has
> bought the factory where Lionel is made.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58245 From: N Becker Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: No Reverse on Big Boy
In conventional mode, Double clutch Is a good explanation. It appears the
unit needs about 8 seconds to cycle unless you have a direction button on
your transformer or didn't install the battery (I use MRC pure power).

Personally I like the long delay when it bumps through AF switches so it
doesn't automatically cycle as with original AF reversing units.

Have you installed the battery? It seemed to make a difference for me but I
was surprised when the sound didn't turn off even after power was cut.

It doesn't negotiate AF switches but I didn't expect it to be able to deal
with the tight curves.

I would still like to know what the metal tool included in the box is for.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58246 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Bob,

LOL

I forgot to mention that the tree is still up and when it comes down, I hope I might find them and return them to Don. LOL

No big deal if I can not find them, since they are short. Mr. Vacuum will take care of that. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents



Screws on the Carpet lost....... GO BAREFOOT AND YOU WILL FIND THEM FAST!!!!!! Bob

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:25 AM



I can attest to the below that the screws of the 2008 Christmas car will come out, as they did this year.

Somewhere in my carpet are two very short screws.

However, Don did come through in sending me the right screws for the car.

Things happen and Don took care of it.

Things like this happen in all industries.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58247 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Mike.... The other night I FOUND A SCREW OUT OF A LIGHT SWITCH PLATE !!!!!! HEEL Still smarts!!!! Bob

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:34 PM


 



Bob,

LOL

I forgot to mention that the tree is still up and when it comes down, I hope I might find them and return them to Don. LOL

No big deal if I can not find them, since they are short. Mr. Vacuum will take care of that. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

Screws on the Carpet lost....... GO BAREFOOT AND YOU WILL FIND THEM FAST!!!!!! Bob

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:25 AM

I can attest to the below that the screws of the 2008 Christmas car will come out, as they did this year.

Somewhere in my carpet are two very short screws.

However, Don did come through in sending me the right screws for the car.

Things happen and Don took care of it.

Things like this happen in all industries.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58248 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Mike.... Remember to use your wifes pantyhose.... Helps to find small parts lost.... Bob

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:34 PM


 



Bob,

LOL

I forgot to mention that the tree is still up and when it comes down, I hope I might find them and return them to Don. LOL

No big deal if I can not find them, since they are short. Mr. Vacuum will take care of that. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

Screws on the Carpet lost....... GO BAREFOOT AND YOU WILL FIND THEM FAST!!!!!! Bob

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:25 AM

I can attest to the below that the screws of the 2008 Christmas car will come out, as they did this year.

Somewhere in my carpet are two very short screws.

However, Don did come through in sending me the right screws for the car.

Things happen and Don took care of it.

Things like this happen in all industries.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58249 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
The bottom line is certainly that of specified standards and design. We tend
to knock Chinese technology and workmanship and forget they have been in
space for along time and can manufacture the finest quality electronic and
scientific equipment. But they will only make what you specify. Lionel
obviously have not supplied good enough standards in their specifications
and design. Alistair
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From: "Daryl Olszeski" <jaytewilli@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents


> Well, I guess that tells you at least a couple of things:
> 1) On quality issues related to the manufacturing process the factory
> must perceive that Lionel is "soft" on quality issues compared to AM and
> SHS. Maybe the factory puts all the "new" employees on the Lionel lines
> and the more experienced on the others. Maybe representatives from AM
> and SHS make more visits/audits to their supplier and Lionel does not
> thus giving the impression to the factory that they don't care as much
> 2) On quality issues related to actual design, maybe AM and SHS have a
> better preproduction design and engineering review process than Lionel
> does. I guess if they do have engineering reviews of new products, who
> is doing the reviews? Hopefully individual(s) who know the model train
> business. Does anybody know, does Lionel do their own engineering or is
> it "farmed out" to the company that owns the factory or some other 3rd
> party engineering firm? That would explain a lot too.
>
> Daryl
>
>
>
> Don Thompson wrote:
>> Dear Bob,
>> Same Country? They are all made in the same FACTORY....
>> Don
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:54 AM, canambob91710k wrote:
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>>> ....I'm dumbfounded as to why AM and SHS can produce such quality
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58250 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
The MG twin cam was a fairly rare limited production car and too expensive to make so never reached the stage of getting the bugs out. In fact very few British fans would ever have seen one. Went like the blazes though - didn't it? A friend of mine lost his licence indefinnately for doing 110 mph in his in a 35 mph zone back in the sixties. Alistair
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From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] More quality control adventures...



I have owned and driven nearly 90 cars since 1965, from a Model T hot rod to an MGA "Twin Cam" to several VWs, to Stock Cars back in the seventies. I've been a "car guy" almost as long as a "train guy."
The MGA was similar to every British car of it's day...cursed by Lucas Electrics (known as "The Prince of Darkness" in car circles.) I carried a box of tools, wire, fuses, light bulbs, electrical tape, and a list of all the part numbers for the generator, starter, etc. Besides that, the car always leaked oil and the two carburetors were always getting out of adjustment.
Great British car fans told me I "just didn't understand." You're right, I guess I expect a car to run reliably and give good service.
In the seventies, I bought only one, a Plymouth Volare'. I had driven several used mid-sixties Plymouth Valiants and Dodge Darts with the "Slant Six" and "Torque Flight" automatic. Those cars were hard to kill except for the igniton resistor block. They did eventually disolve from rust as most other cars of the era.
I went through five disc brake calipers on the Volare in 21,000 miles, the carburetor kept shaking apart and finally the exhaust manifold split open. It was so cheaply designed that it was no wonder Chrysler went bankrupt...you can't polish a turd.
I have owned a '50 Ford, a '53 Ford, a '56 Ford, a'56 Chevy, three '57 Chevies, and a '58 Chevy. ALL were better than ANY seventies car I ever owned, including a nice '72 Monte Carlo. I had a '79 Olds wagon which was so completely "rebuilt" that it became known locally as the "Junkyard Dog!"
Even so, the bottom line was this: If the quality failure rate per units made in Detroit was the same as Lionel's, the "Big Three" would have been gone YEARS ago!
Stumpy Stone...I still love old cars too...Appalachia.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58251 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
I'm assuming your MGA also had the famous Lucas 3 position light switch...off, flicker & dim as well as the wipers that don't work when it rains.
 
Bob Hendrickson  retired "grease monkey" in NJ 

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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More quality control adventures...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 10:55 AM


 



I have owned and driven nearly 90 cars since 1965, from a Model T hot rod to an MGA "Twin Cam" to several VWs, to Stock Cars back in the seventies. I've been a "car guy" almost as long as a "train guy."
The MGA was similar to every British car of it's day...cursed by Lucas Electrics (known as "The Prince of Darkness" in car circles.) I carried a box of tools, wire, fuses, light bulbs, electrical tape, and a list of all the part numbers for the generator, starter, etc. Besides that, the car always leaked oil and the two carburetors were always getting out of adjustment.
Great British car fans told me I "just didn't understand." You're right, I guess I expect a car to run reliably and give good service.
In the seventies, I bought only one, a Plymouth Volare'. I had driven several used mid-sixties Plymouth Valiants and Dodge Darts with the "Slant Six" and "Torque Flight" automatic. Those cars were hard to kill except for the igniton resistor block. They did eventually disolve from rust as most other cars of the era.
I went through five disc brake calipers on the Volare in 21,000 miles, the carburetor kept shaking apart and finally the exhaust manifold split open. It was so cheaply designed that it was no wonder Chrysler went bankrupt...you can't polish a turd.
I have owned a '50 Ford, a '53 Ford, a '56 Ford, a'56 Chevy, three '57 Chevies, and a '58 Chevy. ALL were better than ANY seventies car I ever owned, including a nice '72 Monte Carlo. I had a '79 Olds wagon which was so completely "rebuilt" that it became known locally as the "Junkyard Dog!"
Even so, the bottom line was this: If the quality failure rate per units made in Detroit was the same as Lionel's, the "Big Three" would have been gone YEARS ago!
Stumpy Stone...I still love old cars too...Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58252 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: No Reverse on Big Boy
Hey! Either double clutching worked, or Lionel has a remote-controlled service department! I have reverse this morning! I have no idea how or why - I'm assuming something electronic reset somehow after being shut off last night. She was forced into passenger service service this morning pulling the seven-car UP Heavyweight set that was designed for the Northern. PLENTY OF POWER!! Now if we could retrofit this blower-type smoke unit into our Northerns. Isn't it great??
Jim E.
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From: "Jim" <jimensign50@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2010 7:49:28 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] No Reverse on Big Boy






FINALLY got my Big Boy. After reading all the posts on here reporting problems some of my enthusiasm was turning to doubts. But it is a beautiful beast. It does have it's quirks on my layout, which is not the latest or greatest. Mostly vintage AF track with one outer loop of 54" diameter Flyonel curves, where I run my Flyonel Northern on a CW-80 Lionel transformer, so I run strictly in Conventional mode.

The Big Boy negotiates the curves fine, but doesn't like my old AF switches. A bit bumpy, I guess, though I barely feel anything with my fingers and my old locos have no issues. More forgiving, I guess. The BB bumps just enough to interrupt power, but usually makes it through and restarts right away. Also had to take off two 697 pressure switches and my mail pick-up post/third rail as they caused a power interruption.

The sound is great. The smoke is great. My biggest unsolved problem is that I do not have reverse. It acts like it is "locked" in "forward". The manual says the "program/run" switch can be used to lock in one direction by moving it to "program" , but I have it set in the "run"
position. I don't know much about this wireless tether and I read someone had one that didn't line up, but mine looks in-line to me. Could this be the reason for no reverse? Other suggestions for finding reverse? Double clutch?? LOL
Thanks for your help.
Jim E.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58253 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Finding parts
Hi Bob --

While I understand your meaning, the image of Mike wearing his wife's panty
hose and wondering why that is helping him find the lost parts came into my
head... Shades of Joe Namath!

Have fun!
Bill Winans

Mike.... Remember to use your wifes pantyhose.... Helps to find small parts
lost.... Bob

I forgot to mention that the tree is still up and when it comes down, I hope
I might find them and return them to Don. Mr. vacuum...
Mike

Screws on the Carpet lost....... GO BAREFOOT AND YOU WILL FIND THEM
FAST!!!!!! Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 58254 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: No Reverse on Big Boy
I found out what the little nut driver is for. Saw a screw lying by my track after shutting down the BB. After a close inspection, I was missing two side rod screws on the right side. Luckily, I found the other one as well. The little nut driver fits the side rods. I also found one loose side rod screw on the left side. Do you suppose Lionel found the screws to loosen on their prototype, so they thought they'd better include a wrench??? Who knows... nothing should surprise us, right??



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From: "N Becker" <nabecker@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2010 12:29:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:No Reverse on Big Boy







In conventional mode, Double clutch Is a good explanation. It appears the
unit needs about 8 seconds to cycle unless you have a direction button on
your transformer or didn't install the battery (I use MRC pure power).

Personally I like the long delay when it bumps through AF switches so it
doesn't automatically cycle as with original AF reversing units.

Have you installed the battery? It seemed to make a difference for me but I
was surprised when the sound didn't turn off even after power was cut.

It doesn't negotiate AF switches but I didn't expect it to be able to deal
with the tight curves.

I would still like to know what the metal tool included in the box is for.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58255 From: michael robinson Date: 1/7/2010
Subject:
hi ty tom ,anothere ? is it possable for me to make a button to make the sound to work in the pa-1 set


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58256 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Bob,

yes, I know that trick, but it is no big deal.

Unless, I can sell them on ebay as S Helper Rare short screws. LOL

mike
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From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents



Mike.... Remember to use your wifes pantyhose.... Helps to find small parts lost.... Bob

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From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:34 PM



Bob,

LOL

I forgot to mention that the tree is still up and when it comes down, I hope I might find them and return them to Don. LOL

No big deal if I can not find them, since they are short. Mr. Vacuum will take care of that. LOL

Mike
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From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

Screws on the Carpet lost....... GO BAREFOOT AND YOU WILL FIND THEM FAST!!!!!! Bob

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From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:25 AM

I can attest to the below that the screws of the 2008 Christmas car will come out, as they did this year.

Somewhere in my carpet are two very short screws.

However, Don did come through in sending me the right screws for the car.

Things happen and Don took care of it.

Things like this happen in all industries.

Mike
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From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents

I guess my last e-mail was not 100% fair. We have all had some QC
problems with the factory, but there have been a lot more since JP
Morgan bought them a few years ago and that started the major QC
problems. The trick is to catch these problems before the items are
released by the general public. I can tell you of stories where
companies have rejected entire container loads of products due to QC
errors and sent them back to this factory in China.
I can give an example here, our 2008 Christmas cars. We approved
the sample and the container arrives. We send them all out (sold out
before container arrived). Within a week we go the first call, the
truck was loose and a screw fell out. Customer needs screw and
washer. Next day, same thing... I only had the sample and that was
fine so I asked Jeff Wilson of Hoquat to bring his inventory of these
cars back (this was Christmas week...I know we got them a bit late).
Sure enough, on every car the screws are loose. When I check them
against the sample car, they used the same length screw. The truck
bolster/centersill on our 2 bay open top hoppers and USRA covered
hoppers are made of zamac. The king pins are machine threaded
screws. The bolster holes are all tapped, but if you tap the holes
too deep, the screw does not bottom out. A loose screw will
eventually work itself out as it goes around the layout (unless you
have a figure 8 where the car goes in both directions). The quick fix
is a drop of Lock-tite. The better fix is longer screws with washers
polybagges 2 screws and 2 brass washers. We contact Hobby Shops to
either send cars back (yes, we ate that expense) or to wait until we
get the replacement screws (60 days). Notices went into our SHS
Update about the fix and the screws. We got a few call last month and
still have a supply of the screws.
Don
PS JP Morgan sold the factory last year, but dumped the loan on the
factory to pay off. They sold it for 1/10 of the purchase price...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58257 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
AND I suppose you are complaining???

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/7/2010 2:30:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rcon7@... writes:

Now its dead so I am now starting to play with my trains.... ( If a gal
doesn't interfear! ).... Remember when a Kid.... Trains until a gal came
along..... Well even at 71 same problems again!!!! Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58258 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
Regarding "fix-it" ideas for the Big Boy, Carl Tuveson wrote:

>>>
Good Idea Neil!

I was thinking doing just that.

In fact I have it started at:
http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/af_big_boy_issues.htm

>>>

I don't own a Big Boy, but I just have to comment that this group is TOPS! It's the willingness to share, in a good-natured and often humorous manner, that adds so much to our enjoyment of the hobby. Carl, you, along with so many others, deserve our gratitude for your contributions. Thank you, and Happy 2010 everyone!

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise, Idaho
(Home of the 14-0 Boise State University Bronco football team--only the second team in the modern history of the sport to post such a record! Go Big Blue!) (Sorry, but we're pretty pumped around here after our Fiesta Bowl victory this week.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 58259 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy issues
No Jim..... Looking to Roundup, Montana AGAIN.... Maybe we might try again..... Bob

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boy issues
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 5:01 PM


 



AND I suppose you are complaining? ??

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/7/2010 2:30:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rcon7@bellsouth. net writes:

Now its dead so I am now starting to play with my trains.... ( If a gal
doesn't interfear! ).... Remember when a Kid.... Trains until a gal came
along..... Well even at 71 same problems again!!!! Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58260 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Quality control: My two cents
Like they used to say.... When you are setting up there over the Swamps or Ocean at night.... Listening to the engine drone... Hopefully smoothly
 
"That engine was made by the LOWEST BIDDER!!!!!!! "
 
In order to cut the price to where it needs to be.... Something has to but left out!!!!
 
Bob.... Murphys Law

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From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 4:11 PM


The bottom line is certainly that of specified standards and design. We tend
to knock Chinese technology and workmanship and forget they have been in
space for along time and can manufacture the finest quality electronic and
scientific equipment. But they will only make what you specify. Lionel
obviously have not supplied good enough standards in their specifications
and design. Alistair
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From: "Daryl Olszeski" <jaytewilli@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quality control: My two cents


> Well, I guess that tells you at least a couple of things:
> 1) On quality issues related to the manufacturing process the factory
> must perceive that Lionel is "soft" on quality issues compared to AM and
> SHS. Maybe the factory puts all the "new" employees on the Lionel lines
> and the more experienced on the others. Maybe representatives from AM
> and SHS make more visits/audits to their supplier and Lionel does not
> thus giving the impression to the factory that they don't care as much
> 2) On quality issues related to actual design, maybe AM and SHS have a
> better preproduction design and engineering review process than Lionel
> does. I guess if they do have engineering reviews of new products, who
> is doing the reviews? Hopefully individual(s) who know the model train
> business. Does anybody know, does Lionel do their own engineering or is
> it "farmed out" to the company that owns the factory or some other 3rd
> party engineering firm? That would explain a lot too.
>
> Daryl
>
>
>
> Don Thompson wrote:
>> Dear Bob,
>>    Same Country?  They are all made in the same FACTORY....
>> Don
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:54 AM, canambob91710k wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ....I'm dumbfounded as to why AM and SHS can produce such quality
>>> from the same country that gives us this Flyonel junk. Reply to
>>> sender | Reply to group
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58261 From: alguckes2001 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Coal Loader
I bought a Lionel reissue of the 752 American Flyer Seaboard Coal Loader
(6-49807) one year ago and used it on my Fasttrack layout to unload mini M&M's
(regular size jam in the chute) from a hopper car and deliver them to my grand
children through the chute. It worked very well for this application. In fact it also works well loading and unloading the coal that is included with the accessory.

I am nowmoving on to more scale type model activities and am offering this accessory for
sale for $155.00 including shipping. It has the original box, control switch
(wires uncut) and packing, but I can not figure out how to put the item back
into the packing. Therefore I am hoping either someone in the Raleigh, North
Carolina area would like to buy it so I do not have to repack it - or someone can
tell me how to reverse the minor assembly that was required so I can get it back
in the styrofoam packing. It is in excellent+ condition. Please contact me off
list for details or questions. I also posted this on the Lionel Fasttrack group.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58262 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Finding parts
Now THAT is EXACTLY the image I was trying to avoid.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/7/2010 5:41:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
scalesonly@... writes:

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hose and wondering why that is helping



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58263 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coal Loader
NO M & M's????

Jim "curious on the Keystone Main" Lyle


In a message dated 1/7/2010 6:14:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
AD_Guckes@... writes:

I bought a Lionel reissue of the 752 American Flyer Seaboard Coal Loader
(6-49807) one year ago and used it on my Fasttrack layout to unload mini
M&M's
(regular size jam in the chute) from a hopper car and deliver them to my
grand
children through the chute. It worked very well for this application. In
fact it also works well loading and unloading the coal that is included with
the accessory.

I am nowmoving on to more scale type model activities and am offering this
accessory for
sale for $155.00 including shipping. It has the original box, control
switch
(wires uncut) and packing, but I can not figure out how to put the item
back
into the packing. Therefore I am hoping either someone in the Raleigh,
North
Carolina area would like to buy it so I do not have to repack it - or
someone can
tell me how to reverse the minor assembly that was required so I can get
it back
in the styrofoam packing. It is in excellent+ condition. Please contact me
off
list for details or questions. I also posted this on the Lionel Fasttrack
group.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58264 From: N Becker Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Finding parts
Or use your cat... She has found things I still don't know what they came off of.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58265 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Malware Alert
Hi All,

For the past couple of days, everytime I come to this group my computer is grabbed by a malware page wanting to provide me with software to clean my computer. I am running virus and malware protection so it has not been a problem for me, just a nusance. But why does it only happen at this group? Any ideas??????

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58266 From: Jim Grimes Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
I use MTH's DCS system along with TMCC. The beauty of this system is that I can run my old Gilbert locos with the wireless handheld with NO modification to the motors or the engines . I get full functionality of my TMCC loco as well. It will even run DC. I power it with my Flyer 30B transformer and have added modern circuit breakers and fast blow fuses to the track circuit.
I love it.




Jim Grimes
PO Box 297
25238 Palamino Pl.
Custer SD 57730
TCA #97-45877
tsbikes@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58267 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Michael,
� Lionel does have a button to make the sound work in their PA units.  I don't have the number available.   I try and find it for you.   The new horn & whistle controls that Lionel has on the market should work with the PA unit.  Which year do you have?   These units have boards. A.C. Gilbert used radio type speakers with a tube in the controllers.  Completely different than the new stuff.
Tom Seccia     

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, michael robinson <mickmick1958@...> wrote:

From: michael robinson <mickmick1958@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 4:45 PM







 









hi ty tom ,anothere ? is it possable for me to make a button to make the sound to work in the pa-1 set



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58268 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
Hi BG,

I got that warning when I tried to look at a photo someone had posted.
Normal process for me is to read individual emails. I only visit the
group site to see pictures, read files or search through old messages.
Bill
Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Malware Alert




Hi All,

For the past couple of days, everytime I come to this group my computer
is grabbed by a malware page wanting to provide me with software to
clean my computer. I am running virus and malware protection so it has
not been a problem for me, just a nusance. But why does it only happen
at this group? Any ideas??????

BG1







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58269 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 1/7/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
and he notes -

Would Steve Doyle please contact me off topic.

Raleigh15@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58270 From: navmedguy Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Hello all,

Has anyone added TMCC to the American Model's K-4 STreamlined 4-6-2?

Also, would it be better to get the AC version with full sound and just add the TMCC, or rather, get the AC version without the electronic sound in the tender and add both TMCC and sound one's self? I suppose you'd have had to have done such a conversion to predict what headaches might be encountered either way...

I'm wondering if this would be essentially like Carl's 4-6-2 conversion -- http://www.tuveson.com/am-pacific/am_pacific_tmcc.htm ?

All input appreciated. An offer to do it for 50 bucks +parts cost would be fine too ;)

dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 58271 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Hi Stump
I also had an MGA, a 1957 and I was always fiddling with  and cussing the SU carbs.  I remember going to a sport car rally in Chico, Cal and on the way home to Klamath Falls, Oregon the fuel pump started acting up.  It was on a Sunday afternoon and I had to be back on base Kingsley Field) for Monday AM.  I tied a heavy string to the fuel pump which was located behind the drivers seat and each time the car started to flutter for lack of fuel, i would jerk on the string and get the pump a pumpin.  Made it all the way back to K Falls that way.  This was back in about 1963.  The good old days.  Wish I still had that vehicle.  Just wanted to share that story with you.  Al,     lovin old Flyer in Nevada.            --- On Thu, 1/7/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More quality control adventures...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:55 AM







 









I have owned and driven nearly 90 cars since 1965, from a Model T hot rod to an MGA "Twin Cam" to several VWs, to Stock Cars back in the seventies. I've been a "car guy" almost as long as a "train guy."

The MGA was similar to every British car of it's day...cursed by Lucas Electrics (known as "The Prince of Darkness" in car circles.) I carried a box of tools, wire, fuses, light bulbs, electrical tape, and a list of all the part numbers for the generator, starter, etc. Besides that, the car always leaked oil and the two carburetors were always getting out of adjustment.

Great British car fans told me I "just didn't understand." You're right, I guess I expect a car to run reliably and give good service.

In the seventies, I bought only one, a Plymouth Volare'. I had driven several used mid-sixties Plymouth Valiants and Dodge Darts with the "Slant Six" and "Torque Flight" automatic. Those cars were hard to kill except for the igniton resistor block. They did eventually disolve from rust as most other cars of the era.

I went through five disc brake calipers on the Volare in 21,000 miles, the carburetor kept shaking apart and finally the exhaust manifold split open. It was so cheaply designed that it was no wonder Chrysler went bankrupt...you can't polish a turd.

I have owned a '50 Ford, a '53 Ford, a '56 Ford, a'56 Chevy, three '57 Chevies, and a '58 Chevy. ALL were better than ANY seventies car I ever owned, including a nice '72 Monte Carlo. I had a '79 Olds wagon which was so completely "rebuilt" that it became known locally as the "Junkyard Dog!"

Even so, the bottom line was this: If the quality failure rate per units made in Detroit was the same as Lionel's, the "Big Three" would have been gone YEARS ago!

Stumpy Stone...I still love old cars too...Appalachia.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58272 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: A different Big Boy problem
After giving my positive report on the BB, I suffered a problem unlike any
other I have heard. It was pulling a string of 8 UP heavyweights and just
started around a curve that leads up to a mountain tunnel. The tender
derailed and tipped to the left (it was a left turn on 27" radius) It pulled the
loco over with it and it fell about 3" landing on one of my scale model
airplanes which sets on soft blue board. It was running very slowly at this
point so the weight of the cars behind must have had a hand in it. When I put
it back on the track it ran erratically and almost uncontrollable with the
CAB 1. What happened? For some unknown reason the front motor of the two
just stopped running and the rear "odyssey" speed control motor was trying
to push it along and the front motor assembly was resisting. Dang, gotta
send it back.....

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58273 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
Advertising that shows up on some pages is not malware. It
is put up by the server containing the web page you are
viewing.

bull_gator_1 wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> For the past couple of days, everytime I come to this group my computer
> is grabbed by a malware page wanting to provide me with software to
> clean my computer. I am running virus and malware protection so it has
> not been a problem for me, just a nusance. But why does it only happen
> at this group? Any ideas??????
>
> BG1
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58274 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: [Sn42_Conspiracy_Group] Re: Got a new Critter candidate today
Ken and others,



Got the word from Don Thompson at SHS about wheelsets to regauge the
Bachmann On30 trolley motorblock to standard gauge in 1:64.



The wheelsets you need are from the SHS F-units. The are available
separately for $16 per set of 4. Don has assigned part numbers to them.
They are 02129 - 40" F-unit wheelset, code 110 flanges and 02130 - 40"
F-unit wheelset, AF compatible flanges. They should be listed on the SHS
website soon.



Hope this helps!



BTW - I just got a new candidate for Sn42 critter power - Bachmann Toby the
Tram. Looks like a good option - 6 wheels - but center set is on an idler.
More about this one later when I get out the screw driver.





Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@...

S/Sn42, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler

Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan

Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast



NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford
one!











From: Sn42_Conspiracy_Group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Sn42_Conspiracy_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:04 PM
To: Sn42_Conspiracy_Group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Sn42_Conspiracy_Group] Re: Got a new Critter candidate today





Hi Don,
Thanks for the info on a standard gauge upgrade. Do you have a part number
for the SHS wheel set? When I changed my SHS SW1500 from Hi Rail to scale
wheels I found out they make several different ones.

Thanks,
Ken Deboy

--- In Sn42_Conspiracy_Group@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Sn42_Conspiracy_Group%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don & Marsha Munsey Jr"
<dmunseyjr@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> Another nice thing about the Bachmann On30 trolley drive is, if you decide
> you want a standard gauge 1:64 critter, a set of SHS diesel wheelsets are
a
> drop in regauging project. Here is a link.
>
>
>
>
http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album156/BachOn30trolleymotor_2_S_ga_conv_s
> ide





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58275 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: reports
Matt,

THIS is the kind of reports every day on S-trains about Lionel--

"Even so, the bottom line was this: If the quality failure rate per units
made in Detroit was the same as Lionel's, the "Big Three" would have been
gone YEARS ago!"



Maybe, JUST maybe, you guys have an issue?????

BTW, no more from KBRIER when he/she found out my issue is not warranty,
rather defective product???

Would appreciate Jerry Calabrece's email address.

Thank You,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58276 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Malware Alert
I have gotten this every time as well. I had trouble with this exact same outfit last summer while going to another Tahoo Group. It seems to have started here in this past week.
My Malware program shows it as Malware, and I had to flush my computer over it! Once it gets to your computer, it stays until you get it out and it will appear every time you go on the internet. The program advertised is not as good as the program you already have either!
This company should be shut down or Yahoo should be nailed to the wall for allowing them to do this.
To block this advertisement, I have to set my settings high enough that it screws up other things.
GET RID OF THIS...PLEASE!
Stumpy Stone...there are enough hassles in life already for Yahoo to permit this crap!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58277 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Steve-
I noticed on my BB that both the trailing truck of the loco and front truck of the tender were not resting on all four wheels of either truck. It was due to two things, the first being that the "hook" from the loco has to be pushed all the way down into the slot of the tender, otherwise it binds and holds the tender up a little, making it "tipsy". Also, the wires from the trailing truck were fished through the spring area of the truck. Once I made sure the wires were above the truck and helping push it down,the truck "seated" itself better on the track. This also helped with some power interruptions i was having. I'm very concerned about trying to bend/straighten any of that link because of the wireless tether. I run in conventional mode only, but getting all the electronic bugs out of this is going to take time, I think. It does do a wonderful job of pulling those UP heavyweights, though, doesn't it? :) And it looks great doing it! :)
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: sgaugetrains@...
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:45:58 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] A different Big Boy problem






After giving my positive report on the BB, I suffered a problem unlike any
other I have heard. It was pulling a string of 8 UP heavyweights and just
started around a curve that leads up to a mountain tunnel. The tender
derailed and tipped to the left (it was a left turn on 27" radius) It pulled the
loco over with it and it fell about 3" landing on one of my scale model
airplanes which sets on soft blue board. It was running very slowly at this
point so the weight of the cars behind must have had a hand in it. When I put
it back on the track it ran erratically and almost uncontrollable with the
CAB 1. What happened? For some unknown reason the front motor of the two
just stopped running and the rear "odyssey" speed control motor was trying
to push it along and the front motor assembly was resisting. Dang, gotta
send it back.....

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58278 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Ah, the solution!  Stumpy has me scared to continue using my TMCC engine with my old Gilbert transformer.  What are the specs and model number of the circuit breaker you are using?  Where di you get it?  Why do you need a fuse in addition to the circuit breaker?  Sounds redundant to me, or it that the objective?


--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Jim Grimes <tsbikes@...> wrote:

From: Jim Grimes <tsbikes@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:TMCC with ACG Flyer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 4:52 PM







 









I use MTH's DCS system along with TMCC. The beauty of this system is that I can run my old Gilbert locos with the wireless handheld with NO modification to the motors or the engines . I get full functionality of my TMCC loco as well. It will even run DC. I power it with my Flyer 30B transformer and have added modern circuit breakers and fast blow fuses to the track circuit.

I love it.



Jim Grimes

PO Box 297

25238 Palamino Pl.

Custer SD 57730

TCA #97-45877

tsbikes@gwtc. net

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58279 From: George Cohn Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Alistair McAllister wrote:
>
>
> The MG twin cam was a fairly rare limited production car and too
> expensive to make so never reached the stage of getting the bugs out. In
> fact very few British fans would ever have seen one. Went like the
> blazes though - didn't it? A friend of mine lost his licence
> indefinnately for doing 110 mph in his in a 35 mph zone back in the
> sixties. Alistair

I like old things made way back when quality was first. That's why I
still have all of my old AF trains and Erector sets.

What's that have to do with MG twin cams? Nothing except I have another
British twin cam out in my garage. It's called a Jaguar XK-E roadster!
It goes like the blazes but being red and a convertible, I've had
police follow me for miles so I have to drive it with a light foot.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 58280 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
You're on to something there, Jim. I was also dismayed by the wires going
up into the cab from the trailing truck. No matter how many times I pushed
them back up they just kept working down and caused interference with the
movement of the truck. Maybe the restriction of movement of the trailing
truck kept the lead truck of the tender from moving properly. It shouldn't be
so since the draw bar is free moving, but who knows. I think I will push
the trailing truck wires up into the hole and apply some hot glue to keep
them there when I get it back. That very well may have been the culprit in my
derailment.

Steve


In a message dated 01/08/2010 9:10:58 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jimensign50@... writes:

I noticed on my BB that both the trailing truck of the loco and front
truck of the tender were not resting on all four wheels of either truck. It was
due to two things, the first being that the "hook" from the loco has to be
pushed all the way down into the slot of the tender, otherwise it binds
and holds the tender up a little, making it "tipsy". Also, the wires from the
trailing truck were fished through the spring area of the truck. Once I
made sure the wires were above the truck and helping push it down,the truck
"seated" itself better on the track.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58281 From: N Becker Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Malware Alert
It isn't just this group or Yahoo. Systems such as Yahoo, Hallmark, etc use mirrored servers to speed response time and one or more of those servers are infected with the malware cookie. The scariest popup occurred while updating my SpyWare definitions.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58282 From: George Cohn Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Malware Alert
bull_gator_1 wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> For the past couple of days, everytime I come to this group my computer
> is grabbed by a malware page wanting to provide me with software to
> clean my computer. I am running virus and malware protection so it has
> not been a problem for me, just a nusance. But why does it only happen
> at this group? Any ideas??????

Download the free "malwarebytes" software and run it. You have a
browser hijacker. http://www.malwarebytes.org/

That is a safe piece of software to download and use. I use it in my
Windows classes that I teach at the local community college. You may
have to boot your PC into safe mode and run it more than once, depending
on how deeply infected it is.

I had a student bring in his wifes laptop infected with a similar if not
the same bug and we used it as a demonstration in class on how to remove
malware and browser hijackers.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 58283 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Computer Security (was) Malware Alert
BG,
 
The past few weeks, I have seen many posts like this from others for "VIRUS Warnings, and such. Some blame Internet Explorer, others blame the OS. Unfortunately, I have not seen any of these things while viewing or posting messages. I am running XP Pro, Norton AV software, and I use Internet Explorer. My protection is to religiously run a DAILY AV scan, and update my AV definitions EVERY week. I also download all of the ridiculous "security updates" that are created by MS. I worked 30 years in a high-security IT position and normally, the folks that got "infected" usually did because they failed to keep their protection updated and turned on. NEVER disable your AV protection or Firewall unless you disconnect from the network connection. NEVER reconnect until AFTER you have re-enabled your firewall and AV protection. That is the best you can do.
 
I doubt that I am "immune" to any wide-spread invaders. Perhaps it has nothing to do with THIS group. Occasionally, other sites have buried "treasures" that invade your system while visiting them.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
>>>>>
Hi All,

For the past couple of days, everytime I come to this group my computer is grabbed by a malware page wanting to provide me with software to clean my computer.  I am running virus and malware protection so it has not been a problem for me, just a nusance.  But why does it only happen at this group?  Any ideas??????
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58284 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Computer Security (was) Malware Alert
Used to get them all the time on my PC. Went to Mac and never have the problem. (knock on plastic!)
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Kulp" <cornwall9@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 9:23:22 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains]Computer Security (was) Malware Alert






BG,

The past few weeks, I have seen many posts like this from others for "VIRUS Warnings, and such. Some blame Internet Explorer, others blame the OS. Unfortunately, I have not seen any of these things while viewing or posting messages. I am running XP Pro, Norton AV software, and I use Internet Explorer. My protection is to religiously run a DAILY AV scan, and update my AV definitions EVERY week. I also download all of the ridiculous "security updates" that are created by MS. I worked 30 years in a high-security IT position and normally, the folks that got "infected" usually did because they failed to keep their protection updated and turned on. NEVER disable your AV protection or Firewall unless you disconnect from the network connection. NEVER reconnect until AFTER you have re-enabled your firewall and AV protection. That is the best you can do.

I doubt that I am "immune" to any wide-spread invaders. Perhaps it has nothing to do with THIS group. Occasionally, other sites have buried "treasures" that invade your system while visiting them.

Regards,
Nick Kulp
>>>>>
Hi All,

For the past couple of days, everytime I come to this group my computer is grabbed by a malware page wanting to provide me with software to clean my computer. I am running virus and malware protection so it has not been a problem for me, just a nusance. But why does it only happen at this group? Any ideas??????
>>>>>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58285 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: More quality control adventures...
Actually you are both not talking about the same car. What you had was the ordinary very common push rod engined MGA built in the many thousands. The MGA Twin Cam in question was a much higher performance vehicle with a unique model engine and only about 2110 were built between 1958 and 1960 and sadly had piston and oil consumption problems only cured right at the end of production. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: albert paolozzi
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More quality control adventures...



Hi Stump
I also had an MGA, a 1957 and I was always fiddling with and cussing the SU carbs. I remember going to a sport car rally in Chico, Cal and on the way home to Klamath Falls, Oregon the fuel pump started acting up. It was on a Sunday afternoon and I had to be back on base Kingsley Field) for Monday AM. I tied a heavy string to the fuel pump which was located behind the drivers seat and each time the car started to flutter for lack of fuel, i would jerk on the string and get the pump a pumpin. Made it all the way back to K Falls that way. This was back in about 1963. The good old days. Wish I still had that vehicle. Just wanted to share that story with you. Al, lovin old Flyer in Nevada. --- On Thu, 1/7/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More quality control adventures...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:55 AM



I have owned and driven nearly 90 cars since 1965, from a Model T hot rod to an MGA "Twin Cam" to several VWs, to Stock Cars back in the seventies. I've been a "car guy" almost as long as a "train guy.."

The MGA was similar to every British car of it's day...cursed by Lucas Electrics (known as "The Prince of Darkness" in car circles.) I carried a box of tools, wire, fuses, light bulbs, electrical tape, and a list of all the part numbers for the generator, starter, etc. Besides that, the car always leaked oil and the two carburetors were always getting out of adjustment.

Great British car fans told me I "just didn't understand." You're right, I guess I expect a car to run reliably and give good service.

In the seventies, I bought only one, a Plymouth Volare'. I had driven several used mid-sixties Plymouth Valiants and Dodge Darts with the "Slant Six" and "Torque Flight" automatic. Those cars were hard to kill except for the igniton resistor block. They did eventually disolve from rust as most other cars of the era.

I went through five disc brake calipers on the Volare in 21,000 miles, the carburetor kept shaking apart and finally the exhaust manifold split open. It was so cheaply designed that it was no wonder Chrysler went bankrupt...you can't polish a turd.

I have owned a '50 Ford, a '53 Ford, a '56 Ford, a'56 Chevy, three '57 Chevies, and a '58 Chevy. ALL were better than ANY seventies car I ever owned, including a nice '72 Monte Carlo. I had a '79 Olds wagon which was so completely "rebuilt" that it became known locally as the "Junkyard Dog!"

Even so, the bottom line was this: If the quality failure rate per units made in Detroit was the same as Lionel's, the "Big Three" would have been gone YEARS ago!

Stumpy Stone...I still love old cars too...Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58286 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
The hot glue fix is a good idea. I may try that, too, because they do keep working their way down. They should have used hi-flex wire.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 10:18:46 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A different Big Boy problem






You're on to something there, Jim. I was also dismayed by the wires going
up into the cab from the trailing truck. No matter how many times I pushed
them back up they just kept working down and caused interference with the
movement of the truck. Maybe the restriction of movement of the trailing
truck kept the lead truck of the tender from moving properly. It shouldn't be
so since the draw bar is free moving, but who knows. I think I will push
the trailing truck wires up into the hole and apply some hot glue to keep
them there when I get it back. That very well may have been the culprit in my
derailment.

Steve


In a message dated 01/08/2010 9:10:58 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jimensign50@... writes:

I noticed on my BB that both the trailing truck of the loco and front
truck of the tender were not resting on all four wheels of either truck. It was
due to two things, the first being that the "hook" from the loco has to be
pushed all the way down into the slot of the tender, otherwise it binds
and holds the tender up a little, making it "tipsy". Also, the wires from the
trailing truck were fished through the spring area of the truck. Once I
made sure the wires were above the truck and helping push it down,the truck
"seated" itself better on the track.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58287 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
I believe it would be much like the AM 4-6-2 Pacific. I would recommend
getting the DC HighRail version and save some money.
The AM sound will not work with TMCC so get the new RS Commander from ERR
and I recommend the Cruise Commander also..

Carl


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Of navmedguy
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:20 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?



Hello all,

Has anyone added TMCC to the American Model's K-4 STreamlined 4-6-2?

Also, would it be better to get the AC version with full sound and just
add the TMCC, or rather, get the AC version without the electronic sound in
the tender and add both TMCC and sound one's self? I suppose you'd have had
to have done such a conversion to predict what headaches might be
encountered either way...

I'm wondering if this would be essentially like Carl's 4-6-2 conversion --
http://www.tuveson.com/am-pacific/am_pacific_tmcc.htm ?

All input appreciated. An offer to do it for 50 bucks +parts cost would be
fine too ;)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58288 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Fw: SHS Chessie For Sale...
GENTS:
Okay. I can read the handwriting on the wall. Even though you can no longer obtain this particular engine, you can get another SHS SW-1 for around $200. That being noted, the price on the engine for sale goes to $195 but without pre-paid second day air; now, UPS ground in the lower 48.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:23 AM
Subject: Fw: SHS Chessie For Sale...


GENTS:
I have a small though significant correction to the information below. Upon asking, Mr. Thompson, of SHS fame, informed me that the second, uninstalled, stack on the early SW-1s was/is a real shortie, and I should find it in the baggie that also contains the spare pick-up wipers. A-ha, there it is; so short I took it for a blue circular booger. He also noted that the probability of a Chessie engine having such a stack was slim and none as the Chessie System almost always used the taller stack or welded an extension on the shortie to keep smoke off the windshield. So, the engine is truly complete and all is well.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Subject: SHS Chessie For Sale...


GENTS:
I have for sale one SHS SW-1 Chessie System B&O #8403, part #00441. Except for the addition of Kadee 802 couplers, the engine is NIB. Paint is the standard Chessie blue, yellow and orange with "Chessie System" along the hood where the Chessie cat's head logo forms the "C" in the word "Chessie." This paint scheme is no longer stocked by SHS, but you may see this engine's sister, #8414, on the SHS web site under archived out-of-stock items.

The engine includes two sets of pilots, one with standard handrails and one with split handrails and walk-over porches for MU operation. Two sets of couplers, AF compatible automatics and the now-installed Kadee 802s. Two sets of wheels, AF compatible and the now-installed Code 110 NMRA RP-25 contour wheelsets. Electronic features include AC/DC sequencing-reversing, reversing headlights, DC shorting plug for DC polarity-reversing, DCC adaptor, smart reversing to accommodate cab at rear or cab at front and a complete set of spare electrical pick-up wipers. According to SHS literature, the SW-1s also came with two types of exhaust stacks; this unit did not. Lastly, the "Enginemen's Operating Manual" is included.

If you're a Chessie nut, this little "purr box" can be yours for $250 including second-day air once payment clears.

Off-list responses only. On-list responses will remain unanswered.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58289 From: william yavelak Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
I fear I'm about to ask a 'noob' question... ok, here goes...

If I'm running my other AC American flyers all on AC current (from my big dual pure power transformer :) )and I do wish to use TMCC -- how would I make use of a DC motor engine as you suggest?

Also, if I get the K-4 4-6-2 with just the chuff sound (no bell/whistle), will TMCC foul that built in chuff sound up as well?

Thanks for taking the time with a rookie.

dry

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> From: carl@... <carl@...>
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
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> Commander from ERR
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> and I recommend the Cruise Commander also..
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58290 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
That is exactly what I am trying to achieve. The MTH system is impressive but may have more features and be a little pricey for me.

Right now I just want to use TMCC to control one of two loops of track. It looks like that could be done with my AF transformer and:

CAB 1 - part# 12868
Powermaster - part# 24130
PM-1 cable - part# 12893

Do I have that right? Would the CAB1 whistle control work with an AM GG1?

If I wanted to do the same on the other loop could I just add another CAB1, Powermaster and cable to that loop?

Thanks,

Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 58291 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
My Big Boy has this exact problem, two wires in a loop hanging down by the trailing truck.

I have not yet looked at it to see how to fix it.

Really like the engine though...

Chuck Harrington

http://www.myflyertrains.org

On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Boss31@... wrote:

> You're on to something there, Jim. I was also dismayed by the wires going
> up into the cab from the trailing truck. No matter how many times I pushed
> them back up they just kept working down and caused interference with the
> movement of the truck. Maybe the restriction of movement of the trailing
> truck kept the lead truck of the tender from moving properly. It shouldn't be
> so since the draw bar is free moving, but who knows. I think I will push
> the trailing truck wires up into the hole and apply some hot glue to keep
> them there when I get it back. That very well may have been the culprit in my
> derailment.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58292 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/8/2010
Subject:
The Lionel button is # 6-5906, Lionel Sound Activation Button. I used it with a regular AF transformer when I used to own one of the Lional/Flyer Wabash Freight sets. If I remember correctly, you wired it one way for a diesel horn and the opposite way for a steam whistle.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
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> Tom Seccia     
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58293 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re:
Here is a hookup diagram for the Buttons.
http://www.tuveson.com/SoundButtonHookup/SoundButtons.htm

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of acgilbertguy
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:07 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:





The Lionel button is # 6-5906, Lionel Sound Activation Button. I used it
with a regular AF transformer when I used to own one of the Lional/Flyer
Wabash Freight sets. If I remember correctly, you wired it one way for a
diesel horn and the opposite way for a steam whistle.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
> Lionel does have a button to make the sound work in their PA units.Â
I don't have the number available.  I try and find it for you.  The
new horn & whistle controls that Lionel has on the market should work with
the PA unit. Which year do you have?  These units have boards. A.C.
Gilbert used radio type speakers with a tube in the controllers.Â
Completely different than the new stuff.
> Tom Seccia    Â
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> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, michael robinson <mickmick1958@...> wrote:
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> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58294 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Sound buttons.
Ah yes, Carl. If only one could actually buy those buttons.....I'm lucky. I
have two of them. but they came with new locos. Can't find them on the
Lionel site for separate sale.

Steve


In a message dated 01/08/2010 5:05:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
carl@... writes:




Here is a hookup diagram for the Buttons.
_http://www.tuveson.http://www.tuveshttp://www.tuveshttp:/_
(http://www.tuveson.com/SoundButtonHookup/SoundButtons.htm)

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ]On Behalf
Of acgilbertguy
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:07 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:

The Lionel button is # 6-5906, Lionel Sound Activation Button. I used it
with a regular AF transformer when I used to own one of the Lional/Flyer
Wabash Freight sets. If I remember correctly, you wired it one way for a
diesel horn and the opposite way for a steam whistle.

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@tra>
wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
> Lionel does have a button to make the sound work in their PA units.Â
I don't have the number available.  I try and find it for you.  The
new horn & whistle controls that Lionel has on the market should work with
the PA unit. Which year do you have?  These units have boards. A.C.
Gilbert used radio type speakers with a tube in the controllers.Â
Completely different than the new stuff.
> Tom Seccia    Â
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> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, michael robinson <mickmick1958@mic> wrote:
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> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58295 From: michael robinson Date: 1/8/2010
Subject:
hi thank u again for the info, my set is 1992/3 can i make a button unit to get it to work or do i need to buy 1 as iam in australia


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58296 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Sound buttons.
They are available on the Lionel parts order page under part number 6105906001

Carl



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Sound buttons.



Ah yes, Carl. If only one could actually buy those buttons.....I'm lucky. I
have two of them. but they came with new locos. Can't find them on the
Lionel site for separate sale.

Steve


In a message dated 01/08/2010 5:05:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
carl@... writes:

Here is a hookup diagram for the Buttons.
_http://www.tuveson.http://www.tuveshttp://www.tuveshttp:/_
(http://www.tuveson.com/SoundButtonHookup/SoundButtons.htm)

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ]On Behalf
Of acgilbertguy
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:07 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:

The Lionel button is # 6-5906, Lionel Sound Activation Button. I used it
with a regular AF transformer when I used to own one of the Lional/Flyer
Wabash Freight sets. If I remember correctly, you wired it one way for a
diesel horn and the opposite way for a steam whistle.

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@tra>
wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
> Lionel does have a button to make the sound work in their PA units.Â
I don't have the number available.  I try and find it for you.  The
new horn & whistle controls that Lionel has on the market should work with
the PA unit. Which year do you have?  These units have boards. A.C.
Gilbert used radio type speakers with a tube in the controllers.Â
Completely different than the new stuff.
> Tom Seccia    Â
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> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, michael robinson <mickmick1958@mic> wrote:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58297 From: michael robinson Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Sound
they must be ezzy to make


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58298 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re: Sound
Hi Michael,
� If you have some electrical knowledge take a crack at it.   Carl listed the order page to buy the buttons.  I would buy the button.
� Tom Seccia

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Subject: [S-Trains] Sound
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58299 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Michael,
Carl has the wiring diagram to make it work. Another member of the group gave you the number of the button and how to wire it.  The buttons are hard to find.  If you have a Lionel dealer in Australia you may find one.
� Tom Seccia

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Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58300 From: michael robinson Date: 1/8/2010
Subject:
hi this set t is new i wonder y lionel did no put 1 in the box so that u could work the sound


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58301 From: rj4010d Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Tim, You need the TMCC kit which has the cab1 remote, the TMCC base unit & wall transformer. Then you use your power master & 12893 cable to control track voltage.For the second track you would need another power master & cable.You can go up to 9 power master's & cables & you could run 9 different tracks or loops.In the meantime you need to convert another flyer engine to Timko's motor & install TMCC kit in the tender ( as per Carl's web site ) I have coverted several to TMCC & LOVE IT!! You can run the TMCC engine on the sane track as a non coverted engine at the same time because you are using the power master to control the track voltage.My next project is to install the sound system ect. in a 4-8-4.Enjoy!!!!
Sincerely,
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
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> That is exactly what I am trying to achieve. The MTH system is impressive but may have more features and be a little pricey for me.
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> Right now I just want to use TMCC to control one of two loops of track. It looks like that could be done with my AF transformer and:
>
> CAB 1 - part# 12868
> Powermaster - part# 24130
> PM-1 cable - part# 12893
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> Do I have that right? Would the CAB1 whistle control work with an AM GG1?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58302 From: Jim Grimes Date: 1/8/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Hi Guys,

I got my circuit breaker and fast blow fuses from Scott's Odds and Ends ( http://www.scottsodds-n-ends.com/products.htm ) .They gave me great service both through the mail and at York ( I think?). It has been a while so I can't give you numbers but you can get all the pertinent info from the web site. I will have to get out my AM GG1 and try the sound functions but I do know that all the basic AC Gilbert and TMCC functions work and I also have a SHS Locomatic wired into the system.
Let me know if you want a picture of my setup.





Jim Grimes
PO Box 297
25238 Palamino Pl.
Custer SD 57730
TCA #97-45877
tsbikes@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58303 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Michael,
� If the box was not sealed and there were no instructions with the set, it's possible someone removed it.  When I had my train store I had 6 in stock.  I had an "S" Gauge layout in the the front of the store  where I hooked these up and tested it with the diesels. Sounded pretty good.  Not as good as Railsounds.
� Tom Seccia


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Subject: [S-Trains] RE:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58304 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Hi Jim,
Many people ask me for XA15A842 Circuit Breaker for 22035 175 Watt and 22090 350 Watt Transformers.  Would there be a way to wire the circuit breaker you have to replace this Flyer circuit breaker.   This part is almost impossible to get..  Please let me know. I may want to put some in stock.
� Thank You,
� Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Jim Grimes <tsbikes@...> wrote:

From: Jim Grimes <tsbikes@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:TMCC with ACG Flyer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 9:56 PM







 









Hi Guys,



I got my circuit breaker and fast blow fuses from Scott's Odds and Ends ( http://www.scottsod ds-n-ends. com/products. htm ) .They gave me great service both through the mail and at York ( I think?). It has been a while so I can't give you numbers but you can get all the pertinent info from the web site. I will have to get out my AM GG1 and try the sound functions but I do know that all the basic AC Gilbert and TMCC functions work and I also have a SHS Locomatic wired into the system.

Let me know if you want a picture of my setup.



Jim Grimes

PO Box 297

25238 Palamino Pl.

Custer SD 57730

TCA #97-45877

tsbikes@gwtc. net

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58305 From: sgaugian Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
Sorry to hear of your boy's tumble. Gaining experience with mine and
those of two friends in the club this past weekend. Have mine up on
rollers with boiler shell off to check if all plugs are seated properly
and if I have a whistle vs smoke problem or not (i.e. using the whistle
decreases smoke output). Similar notes on the t-truck wires, lack of
wheel contact on rails, and "retarded" front driver set as compared to
rear. Here are some of my observations.

T-truck wires: poorly routed, and stiff wiring. Mine swept out adn
back under the fireman and in contact with the t-truck wheels. Reshaped
to sweep out under the engineer without wheel rubbing. Should have at
least used super-flexi wires. Won't stay up inside cab. Curious to
hear how hot glue measure works.

T-truck rear wheels off the rails: Two have had this including mine. I
very slightly bored out one of the clear plastic washers at the front of
the t-truck which otherwise failed to float up and down on its post
restricting upward travel particularly (tipping the truck down in the
front, up in the rear). Made sure the shape of the sheet metal bar
provides level pressure to the truck pivot point, and that the tongue
from the tender (with the slot in it) was straight out from under the
tender (mine was bent down some). Then deburred the edges of the hook
(so there's smooth easy travel within the slot). Then carefully bent
the hook so it slips into the slot, but there's no pressure between the
two tow bar sections at that point - just a nice full level insertion.
Otherwise if the hook is too low and put into the slot it lifts the back
of the t-truck and you have a teter-totter effect resulting in rear
t-truck wheels off the rails. Mine now sets fine on the tracks with
full four wheel contact.

Front power truck - - mine would lag behind the rear when on the rollers
and run at slow speeds, and even momentarily stall, then get going again
while the rear was just purring along the whole time. I found they are
particularly sensitive to linkage alignments and looseness, especially
that of the secondary piston rod and its links and pivots. Check that
all linkages fhave free motion and lube pivots lightly with 108. But
especially that secondary piston and everything associated with it.
Hand turn the flywheel slowly and check with each small advance that all
push rods are aligned straight and linkages have slack (almost a wobble)
to them. If any feel tight (not necessarily locked, just restricted or
stiff instead of free) ease them up. Mine now keeps pace and moves
smoothly with the rear.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58306 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: TMCC with ACG Flyer
Thanks for that Bob. I am a trying to get my feet wet a little at a time. I thought that (per the Beginner's Tutoral link from Carl Tuveson's site) I would not need the command base to control track power only on one track. It would have been disappointing to buy two components when three were needed.

I have two 'flywheel' Hudsons now, both are super-smooth even on 30B power. I am looking forward to running them and the GG1 on TMCC track power. Now, if only someone made a low speed flywheel motor that fit into an 0-8-0...

I appreciate the TMCC guidance from all.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote:
>
> Tim, You need the TMCC kit which has the cab1 remote, the TMCC base unit & wall transformer. Then you use your power master & 12893 cable to control track voltage.For the second track you would need another power master & cable.You can go up to 9 power master's & cables & you could run 9 different tracks or loops.In the meantime you need to convert another flyer engine to Timko's motor & install TMCC kit in the tender ( as per Carl's web site ) I have coverted several to TMCC & LOVE IT!! You can run the TMCC engine on the sane track as a non coverted engine at the same time because you are using the power master to control the track voltage.My next project is to install the sound system ect. in a 4-8-4.Enjoy!!!!
> Sincerely,
> Bob Guckian
Group: S-Trains Message: 58307 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Sorry for the confusion.

The TMCC conversion electronics you install in the loco use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage.
There are TMCC boards that can also can use the older AC motors but the cruise feature is not available with them.

The AM smoke generator piston makes the chuffing sound and is synchronized very closely to the tender electronic chuffs and is hardly noticeable.
You can also modify the smoke generator baffle so it does not make the chuff sound if you wanted to.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of william yavelak
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:35 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?



I fear I'm about to ask a 'noob' question... ok, here goes...

If I'm running my other AC American flyers all on AC current (from my big dual pure power transformer :) )and I do wish to use TMCC -- how would I make use of a DC motor engine as you suggest?

Also, if I get the K-4 4-6-2 with just the chuff sound (no bell/whistle), will TMCC foul that built in chuff sound up as well?

Thanks for taking the time with a rookie.

dry

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

> From: carl@... <carl@...>
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:24 PM
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> I believe it would be much like the AM 4-6-2
> Pacific. I would recommend
>
> getting the DC HighRail version and save some money.
>
> The AM sound will not work with TMCC so get the new RS
> Commander from ERR
>
> and I recommend the Cruise Commander also..
>
>
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroup
> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup
> s.com]On Behalf
>
> Of navmedguy
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:20 PM
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup
> s.com
>
> Subject: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Has anyone added TMCC to the American Model's K-4
> STreamlined 4-6-2?
>
>
>
> Also, would it be better to get the AC version with full
> sound and just
>
> add the TMCC, or rather, get the AC version without the
> electronic sound in
>
> the tender and add both TMCC and sound one's self? I
> suppose you'd have had
>
> to have done such a conversion to predict what headaches
> might be
>
> encountered either way...
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if this would be essentially like
> Carl's 4-6-2 conversion --
>
> http://www.tuveson
> com/am-pacific/ am_pacific_ tmcc.htm ?
>
>
>
> All input appreciated. An offer to do it for 50 bucks
> +parts cost would be
>
> fine too ;)
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> dry
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58308 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Circuit breakers
We have some new old stock circuit breakers for Gilbert transformers in
stock. PA10485 (5)
and PA13A050 (4)

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 01/09/2010 6:08:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:




Hi Jim,
Many people ask me for XA15A842 Circuit Breaker for 22035 175 Watt and
22090 350 Watt Transformers. Would there be a way to wire the circuit breaker
you have to replace this Flyer circuit breaker. This part is almost
impossible to get.. Please let me know. I may want to put some in stock.
Thank You,
Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Jim Grimes <_tsbikes@..._
(mailto:tsbikes@...) > wrote:

From: Jim Grimes <_tsbikes@..._ (mailto:tsbikes@...) >
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:TMCC with ACG Flyer
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 9:56 PM



Hi Guys,

I got my circuit breaker and fast blow fuses from Scott's Odds and Ends (
_http://www.scottsod_ (http://www.scottsod/) ds-n-ends. com/products. htm
) .They gave me great service both through the mail and at York ( I
think?). It has been a while so I can't give you numbers but you can get all the
pertinent info from the web site. I will have to get out my AM GG1 and try
the sound functions but I do know that all the basic AC Gilbert and TMCC
functions work and I also have a SHS Locomatic wired into the system.

Let me know if you want a picture of my setup.

Jim Grimes

PO Box 297

25238 Palamino Pl.

Custer SD 57730

TCA #97-45877

tsbikes@gwtc. net

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58309 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
And we waited how long and paid how much for this " quality"?

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote:


From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A different Big Boy problem
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 8:42 AM


 




Sorry to hear of your boy's tumble. Gaining experience with mine and
those of two friends in the club this past weekend. Have mine up on
rollers with boiler shell off to check if all plugs are seated properly
and if I have a whistle vs smoke problem or not (i.e. using the whistle
decreases smoke output). Similar notes on the t-truck wires, lack of
wheel contact on rails, and "retarded" front driver set as compared to
rear. Here are some of my observations.

T-truck wires: poorly routed, and stiff wiring. Mine swept out adn
back under the fireman and in contact with the t-truck wheels. Reshaped
to sweep out under the engineer without wheel rubbing. Should have at
least used super-flexi wires. Won't stay up inside cab. Curious to
hear how hot glue measure works.

T-truck rear wheels off the rails: Two have had this including mine. I
very slightly bored out one of the clear plastic washers at the front of
the t-truck which otherwise failed to float up and down on its post
restricting upward travel particularly (tipping the truck down in the
front, up in the rear). Made sure the shape of the sheet metal bar
provides level pressure to the truck pivot point, and that the tongue
from the tender (with the slot in it) was straight out from under the
tender (mine was bent down some). Then deburred the edges of the hook
(so there's smooth easy travel within the slot). Then carefully bent
the hook so it slips into the slot, but there's no pressure between the
two tow bar sections at that point - just a nice full level insertion.
Otherwise if the hook is too low and put into the slot it lifts the back
of the t-truck and you have a teter-totter effect resulting in rear
t-truck wheels off the rails. Mine now sets fine on the tracks with
full four wheel contact.

Front power truck - - mine would lag behind the rear when on the rollers
and run at slow speeds, and even momentarily stall, then get going again
while the rear was just purring along the whole time. I found they are
particularly sensitive to linkage alignments and looseness, especially
that of the secondary piston rod and its links and pivots. Check that
all linkages fhave free motion and lube pivots lightly with 108. But
especially that secondary piston and everything associated with it.
Hand turn the flywheel slowly and check with each small advance that all
push rods are aligned straight and linkages have slack (almost a wobble)
to them. If any feel tight (not necessarily locked, just restricted or
stiff instead of free) ease them up. Mine now keeps pace and moves
smoothly with the rear.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58310 From: william yavelak Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
I'm still confused, in that I don't understand how a Locomotive with an AC engine (or universal as the case may be), running on Alternating Current, can then have a ""DC can motor"" running the TMCC electronics....  as per your statement "use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage."
Are you suggesting I leave those universal motors in my old Locos but run the whole layout on DC -- and therefore buy the PRR K-4 in the DC engine version?     And all the TMCC stuff works with DC... ?    Is that what you're suggesting?
If so, it stinks that I just bought the pure power dual transformer ... AC........sigh... 
If I were to stay with AC current, what specific parts would I need for converting the K-4 AC version to TMCC?
Thanks for bearing with me....
dr y
--- On Sat, 1/9/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 8:45 AM
















 









Sorry for the confusion.



The TMCC conversion electronics you install in the loco use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage.

There are TMCC boards that can also can use the older AC motors but the cruise feature is not available with them.



The AM smoke generator piston makes the chuffing sound and is synchronized very closely to the tender electronic chuffs and is hardly noticeable.

You can also modify the smoke generator baffle so it does not make the chuff sound if you wanted to.



Carl



-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of william yavelak

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:35 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?



I fear I'm about to ask a 'noob' question... ok, here goes...



If I'm running my other AC American flyers all on AC current (from my big dual pure power transformer :) )and I do wish to use TMCC -- how would I make use of a DC motor engine as you suggest?



Also, if I get the K-4 4-6-2 with just the chuff sound (no bell/whistle) , will TMCC foul that built in chuff sound up as well?



Thanks for taking the time with a rookie.



dry



--- On Fri, 1/8/10, carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com> wrote:



> From: carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com>

> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:24 PM

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> I believe it would be much like the AM 4-6-2

> Pacific. I would recommend

>

> getting the DC HighRail version and save some money.

>

> The AM sound will not work with TMCC so get the new RS

> Commander from ERR

>

> and I recommend the Cruise Commander also..

>

>

>

> Carl

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

> From: S-Trains@yahoogroup

> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup

> s.com]On Behalf

>

> Of navmedguy

>

> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:20 PM

>

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup

> s.com

>

> Subject: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

>

>

> Has anyone added TMCC to the American Model's K-4

> STreamlined 4-6-2?

>

>

>

> Also, would it be better to get the AC version with full

> sound and just

>

> add the TMCC, or rather, get the AC version without the

> electronic sound in

>

> the tender and add both TMCC and sound one's self? I

> suppose you'd have had

>

> to have done such a conversion to predict what headaches

> might be

>

> encountered either way...

>

>

>

> I'm wondering if this would be essentially like

> Carl's 4-6-2 conversion --

>

> http://www.tuveson

> com/am-pacific/ am_pacific_ tmcc.htm ?

>

>

>

> All input appreciated. An offer to do it for 50 bucks

> +parts cost would be

>

> fine too ;)

>

>

>

> dry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58311 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Hi Dr. Y.,



I can answer just one part of that question. I too use MRC Dual Power
transformers. Take a look at this page to see how I accommodated both AC
and DC: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_3.htm



I am also pretty sure that all forms of command control rectify the
voltage from the rails before passing it to the motor. Figuring the
direction is a function of the internal electronics whether DCC, TMCC,
DCS or the Dallee LocoMatic stuff.



Now, you need the rest of the answer from Carl or the others who are
using one or the other of the systems.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of william yavelak
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?






I'm still confused, in that I don't understand how a Locomotive with an
AC engine (or universal as the case may be), running on Alternating
Current, can then have a ""DC can motor"" running the TMCC
electronics.... as per your statement "use a DC can motor but runs on
AC track voltage."
Are you suggesting I leave those universal motors in my old Locos but
run the whole layout on DC -- and therefore buy the PRR K-4 in the DC
engine version? And all the TMCC stuff works with DC... ? Is that
what you're suggesting?
If so, it stinks that I just bought the pure power dual transformer ...
AC........sigh...
If I were to stay with AC current, what specific parts would I need for
converting the K-4 AC version to TMCC?
Thanks for bearing with me....
dr y
--- On Sat, 1/9/10, carl@tuveson. <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com> com
<carl@tuveson. <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com> com> wrote:

From: carl@tuveson. <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com> com <carl@tuveson.
<mailto:carl%40tuveson.com> com>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58312 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
I think we are confusing Apples and Oranges .

By design TMCC originally was designed to run on 60 Hz AC track voltage, Still does and always will be AC only.

But the loco motors changed over the years and now TMCC can use either an AC universal motor or a DC can motor in the Loco but the TRACK VOLTAGE IS ALWAYS STILL AC.

So AC Track voltage goes in to the TMCC board and either AC or DC comes out to the loco's motor depending on the type board used and motor installed.

No need to convert to DC track voltage.

The Factory AM K4 AC version has a DC motor in it but the AM reverse unit in it converts the AC to DC for the Can motor.

The only reason to buy an AC version is if you are going to run it a while before you convert it to TMCC. If you are converting to TMCC initially then you can save a little money and buy the unit without the reverse unit (DC Version) This was the point I was trying to make.


So to convert the K4 either AC or DC version (you will gut the AC reverse board in the AC version ) install a ERR TMCC Cruise Commander board. It also acts a the reverse board if using in conventional mode.


Got it?
Carl




-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of william yavelak
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?




I'm still confused, in that I don't understand how a Locomotive with an AC engine (or universal as the case may be), running on Alternating Current, can then have a ""DC can motor"" running the TMCC electronics.... as per your statement "use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage."
Are you suggesting I leave those universal motors in my old Locos but run the whole layout on DC -- and therefore buy the PRR K-4 in the DC engine version? And all the TMCC stuff works with DC... ? Is that what you're suggesting?
If so, it stinks that I just bought the pure power dual transformer ... AC........sigh...
If I were to stay with AC current, what specific parts would I need for converting the K-4 AC version to TMCC?
Thanks for bearing with me....
dr y
--- On Sat, 1/9/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 8:45 AM



Sorry for the confusion.

The TMCC conversion electronics you install in the loco use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage.

There are TMCC boards that can also can use the older AC motors but the cruise feature is not available with them.

The AM smoke generator piston makes the chuffing sound and is synchronized very closely to the tender electronic chuffs and is hardly noticeable.

You can also modify the smoke generator baffle so it does not make the chuff sound if you wanted to.

Carl

-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of william yavelak

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:35 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

I fear I'm about to ask a 'noob' question... ok, here goes...

If I'm running my other AC American flyers all on AC current (from my big dual pure power transformer :) )and I do wish to use TMCC -- how would I make use of a DC motor engine as you suggest?

Also, if I get the K-4 4-6-2 with just the chuff sound (no bell/whistle) , will TMCC foul that built in chuff sound up as well?

Thanks for taking the time with a rookie.

dry

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com> wrote:

> From: carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com>

> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:24 PM

>

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>

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>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I believe it would be much like the AM 4-6-2

> Pacific. I would recommend

>

> getting the DC HighRail version and save some money.

>

> The AM sound will not work with TMCC so get the new RS

> Commander from ERR

>

> and I recommend the Cruise Commander also..

>

>

>

> Carl

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

> From: S-Trains@yahoogroup

> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup

> s.com]On Behalf

>

> Of navmedguy

>

> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:20 PM

>

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup

> s.com

>

> Subject: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

>

>

> Has anyone added TMCC to the American Model's K-4

> STreamlined 4-6-2?

>

>

>

> Also, would it be better to get the AC version with full

> sound and just

>

> add the TMCC, or rather, get the AC version without the

> electronic sound in

>

> the tender and add both TMCC and sound one's self? I

> suppose you'd have had

>

> to have done such a conversion to predict what headaches

> might be

>

> encountered either way...

>

>

>

> I'm wondering if this would be essentially like

> Carl's 4-6-2 conversion --

>

> http://www.tuveson

> com/am-pacific/ am_pacific_ tmcc.htm ?

>

>

>

> All input appreciated. An offer to do it for 50 bucks

> +parts cost would be

>

> fine too ;)

>

>

>

> dry

>

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58313 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re:
Hey Tom,
I've got this same set up, and whenever I press the Horn button, the engine slows to about half speed. Is there an easy fix or is this just "the nature of the beast?
Pat, in (Chilly) Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:



Hi Michael,
� If the box was not sealed and there were no instructions with the set, it's possible someone removed it. When I had my train store I had 6 in stock. I had an "S" Gauge layout in the the front of the store where I hooked these up and tested it with the diesels. Sounded pretty good. Not as good as Railsounds.
� Tom Seccia


--- On Fri, 1/8/10, michael robinson <mickmick1958@...> wrote:

From: michael robinson <mickmick1958@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:18 PM



hi this set t is new i wonder y lionel did no put 1 in the box so that u could work the sound

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58315 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster the Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had no problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington, DC. Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58316 From: william yavelak Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
Ahh!
Got it.
The fact that the "AC" version of the K-4 actually has a DC motor was where I was getting lost.
Thanks for hangin' in there... dry

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:33 PM
















 









I think we are confusing Apples and Oranges .



By design TMCC originally was designed to run on 60 Hz AC track voltage, Still does and always will be AC only.



But the loco motors changed over the years and now TMCC can use either an AC universal motor or a DC can motor in the Loco but the TRACK VOLTAGE IS ALWAYS STILL AC.



So AC Track voltage goes in to the TMCC board and either AC or DC comes out to the loco's motor depending on the type board used and motor installed.



No need to convert to DC track voltage.



The Factory AM K4 AC version has a DC motor in it but the AM reverse unit in it converts the AC to DC for the Can motor.



The only reason to buy an AC version is if you are going to run it a while before you convert it to TMCC. If you are converting to TMCC initially then you can save a little money and buy the unit without the reverse unit (DC Version) This was the point I was trying to make.



So to convert the K4 either AC or DC version (you will gut the AC reverse board in the AC version ) install a ERR TMCC Cruise Commander board. It also acts a the reverse board if using in conventional mode.



Got it?

Carl



-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of william yavelak

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:51 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?



I'm still confused, in that I don't understand how a Locomotive with an AC engine (or universal as the case may be), running on Alternating Current, can then have a ""DC can motor"" running the TMCC electronics. ... as per your statement "use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage."

Are you suggesting I leave those universal motors in my old Locos but run the whole layout on DC -- and therefore buy the PRR K-4 in the DC engine version? And all the TMCC stuff works with DC... ? Is that what you're suggesting?

If so, it stinks that I just bought the pure power dual transformer ... AC........sigh. ..

If I were to stay with AC current, what specific parts would I need for converting the K-4 AC version to TMCC?

Thanks for bearing with me....

dr y

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From: carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com>

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 8:45 AM



Sorry for the confusion.



The TMCC conversion electronics you install in the loco use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage.



There are TMCC boards that can also can use the older AC motors but the cruise feature is not available with them.



The AM smoke generator piston makes the chuffing sound and is synchronized very closely to the tender electronic chuffs and is hardly noticeable.



You can also modify the smoke generator baffle so it does not make the chuff sound if you wanted to.



Carl



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of william yavelak



Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:35 PM



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?



I fear I'm about to ask a 'noob' question... ok, here goes...



If I'm running my other AC American flyers all on AC current (from my big dual pure power transformer :) )and I do wish to use TMCC -- how would I make use of a DC motor engine as you suggest?



Also, if I get the K-4 4-6-2 with just the chuff sound (no bell/whistle) , will TMCC foul that built in chuff sound up as well?



Thanks for taking the time with a rookie.



dry



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> From: carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com>



> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58317 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: AC DC confusion
Here's the deal
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1. Can motors run on DC (only)
2. AC universal motors run on EITHER AC or DC, They really don't care which
you feed them for the most part.
3. AC power from your AC transformer is converted to DC power by the
circuit boards in the TMCC and or DCC operating locos.
4. You are advised in the Lionel TMCC operators manual NOT to run them on
straight DC track power. So as Carl says " the track power is AC and always
will be".
Your ANY MAKE AC transformer will work.

Does that help clear things up?
Steve
SnS Trains





In a message dated 01/09/2010 1:12:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
navmedguy@... writes:





I'm still confused, in that I don't understand how a Locomotive with an AC
engine (or universal as the case may be), running on Alternating Current,
can then have a ""DC can motor"" running the TMCC electronics.I'm stil as
per your statement "use a DC can motor but runs on AC track voltage."
Are you suggesting I leave those universal motors in my old Locos but run
the whole layout on DC -- and therefore buy the PRR K-4 in the DC engine
version? And all the TMCC stuff works with DC... ? Is that what you're
suggesting?
If so, it stinks that I just bought the pure power dual transformer ...
AC........sigh.If
If I were to stay with AC current, what specific parts would I need for
converting the K-4 AC version to TMCC?
Thanks for bearing with me....
dr y
--- On Sat, 1/9/10, _carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...)
<_carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) > wrote:

From: _carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) <_carl@..._
(mailto:carl@...) >
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 8:45 AM



Sorry for the confusion.

The TMCC conversion electronics you install in the loco use a DC can motor
but runs on AC track voltage.

There are TMCC boards that can also can use the older AC motors but the
cruise feature is not available with them.

The AM smoke generator piston makes the chuffing sound and is synchronized
very closely to the tender electronic chuffs and is hardly noticeable.

You can also modify the smoke generator baffle so it does not make the
chuff sound if you wanted to.

Carl

-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@From: S-Trains@yahoogroup
s.com [mailto:S-Tra

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:35 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

I fear I'm about to ask a 'noob' question... ok, here goes...

If I'm running my other AC American flyers all on AC current (from my big
dual pure power transformer :) )and I do wish to use TMCC -- how would I
make use of a DC motor engine as you suggest?

Also, if I get the K-4 4-6-2 with just the chuff sound (no bell/whistle) ,
will TMCC foul that built in chuff sound up as well?

Thanks for taking the time with a rookie.

dry

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com> wrote:

> From: carl@tuveson. com <carl@tuveson. com>

> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 - TMCC?

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> I'm wondering if this would be essentially like

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> _http://www.tuveson._ (http://www.tuveson./)

> com/am-pacific/ am_pacific_ tmcc.htm ?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58318 From: michael robinson Date: 1/9/2010
Subject:
another ? will a lionel transformer work on the american flyer are the the same out put


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58319 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Mike, This might be a stretch, but a magnet has always worked for me. Save
the nylon, in case the economy really goes bad, good for a 7-11 withdrawal.
Mike in Sad Duckland


In a message dated 1/9/2010 6:36:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster the
Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no
success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum
did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had no
problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had
many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to
the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing
this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington, DC.
Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58320 From: sgaugian Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: Big Boy number boards - illuminated?
Are the number boards up by the bell supposed to illuminate or just the
ones down on the pilot by the headlight? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58321 From: eric Date: 1/9/2010
Subject: FOR SALE S/SN3 Modeling Guide 42 issues
I have Different 42 issues of the S/SN3 modeling guide. Issues are 3 hole
punched and in 4 3 ring binders. Issues are Vol1-123, vol2-12345,
vol3-123456, vol4-123456, vol5-12346, vol6-12345, vol7-2, vol8-123456,
vol9-23456.... That should equal 42.

Make me an offer including shipping which should be about $10 for media
mail.

I don't know what they are worth but at a buck and a half each would be $63
plus $10 to ship would be $73 and a good place to start.

Whoever makes makes me the best offer in the next day or 2 off line can have
them.

I just need the space. Check or paypal can work.

Eric Reis
Kenmore, WA.

ericsinhere@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58322 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Pat,
� The same happened to me when I tested the Horn Button.  I believe the additional voltage to the speaker slows the train down and it is the nature of the beast. Maybe someone else in the group has an answer.
� Tom Seccia in Chilly PA.

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, The Reardon's <preardon@...> wrote:

From: The Reardon's <preardon@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Hey Tom,

I've got this same set up, and whenever I press the Horn button, the engine slows to about half speed. Is there an easy fix or is this just "the nature of the beast?

Pat, in (Chilly) Maine



----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:04 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:



Hi Michael,

� If the box was not sealed and there were no instructions with the set, it's possible someone removed it. When I had my train store I had 6 in stock. I had an "S" Gauge layout in the the front of the store where I hooked these up and tested it with the diesels. Sounded pretty good. Not as good as Railsounds.

� Tom Seccia



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From: michael robinson <mickmick1958@ yahoo.com. au>

Subject: [S-Trains] RE:

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:18 PM



hi this set t is new i wonder y lionel did no put 1 in the box so that u could work the sound



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58323 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Circuit breakers
Hi Steve,
� These won't work for the 22035 or the 22090.  Please email me seccia@...� Please let me know want you want for those plus S&H. I would be interested in buying all.
Tom Seccia �

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Circuit breakers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 1:19 PM







 









We have some new old stock circuit breakers for Gilbert transformers in

stock. PA10485 (5)

and PA13A050 (4)



Steve

SnS Trains





In a message dated 01/09/2010 6:08:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes:



Hi Jim,

Many people ask me for XA15A842 Circuit Breaker for 22035 175 Watt and

22090 350 Watt Transformers. Would there be a way to wire the circuit breaker

you have to replace this Flyer circuit breaker. This part is almost

impossible to get.. Please let me know. I may want to put some in stock.

Thank You,

Tom Seccia



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From: Jim Grimes <_tsbikes@gwtc. tsb_ (mailto:tsbikes@gwtc. net) >

Subject: [S-Trains] Re:TMCC with ACG Flyer

To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com)

Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 9:56 PM



Hi Guys,



I got my circuit breaker and fast blow fuses from Scott's Odds and Ends (

_http://www.scottsod _ (http://www.scottsod /) ds-n-ends. com/products.. htm

) .They gave me great service both through the mail and at York ( I

think?). It has been a while so I can't give you numbers but you can get all the

pertinent info from the web site. I will have to get out my AM GG1 and try

the sound functions but I do know that all the basic AC Gilbert and TMCC

functions work and I also have a SHS Locomatic wired into the system.



Let me know if you want a picture of my setup.



Jim Grimes



PO Box 297



25238 Palamino Pl.



Custer SD 57730



TCA #97-45877



tsbikes@gwtc. net



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58324 From: Jim Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re-Discovery!
I've had several posts on here lately concerning a junker 316 I have been trying to get back in order. It had been what I called a "loco by committee" where several non-316 parts were used in a past reincarnation. The last post I had was a question about the metal wheels on the pilot. The answer was that they should be plastic on the 316.

I took the old pilot assembly off and noticed that, instead of the normal rivet to hold the truck, this one had a screw. I didn't think too much about it except to think, "Well at least it will be easier to replace the coil spring, as I won't have to thread it around the rivet. There was not way to pull the metal wheels and just replace them with plastic without ruining them, so I went to my scrap box and looked at some other pilots. Most were sheet metal, but one was cast. Same part number as the one with metal wheels (PA10012), but this one had plastic wheels. Bingo. Started to look for a rivet, but then took a second look at the screw that held the original in place. It had a shaft of about a half an inch , the same length as the rivet. Well, that made sense. I thought I could just use the old screw and took a close look at it, and it looked very familiar. It was the long version of a tow bar screw! Some old-timer back when had figured out all he needed to do was drill out the rivet, thread the hole, and use the long draw bar screw. I repeated his process, drilled out the rivet, threaded the hole with my #4 tap (it threaded very easily in the soft cast metal), and then it was very easy to assemble the washer and spring on the screw and put the assembly together.

Here I'd been cussing this guy for all the things her had done to this engine, but this is one of those ingenious solutions, that you think to yourself "Why didn't I think of that?" Just doubt if it would work with the more numerous sheet metal pilots, but if you have one of the old heavier cast ones, this is an easy trick. Hats off to a guy "back in the day" !! Maybe some of you have done this before, but it was a new one to me!

Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58325 From: Coopers Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Hi

A strong magnet might work

Best Regards,

Art
Richardson, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S trains ; Cookie Flannery
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.



I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster the Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had no problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington, DC. Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58326 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: TYransformers
YES, all AC transformers will work on all AC or universal motors

Steve
SnS


In a message dated 01/09/2010 7:38:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mickmick1958@... writes:




another ? will a lionel transformer work on the american flyer are the the
same out put

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58327 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Michael,
� Lionel AC transformers will work with American Flyer and American Flyer AC transformers will work with Lionel.  Let me know which Lionel transformer you are using some of the connections on the larger transformers such as KW & ZW are a little more complicated that American Flyer transformers.  Really just need Base Post and a 14-15 Volt varible post.
Tom Seccia

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Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 7:54 PM







 









another ? will a lionel transformer work on the american flyer are the the same out put



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58328 From: jaay_st Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: AC Transformer
Good morning,
am currently running a 293 Steam engine with a AF 4B transformer.
I am considering an upgrade to a new transformer. For now, I am staying with AC.
Can anyone make a recommendation for a new AC transformer.
Maybe one which will allow me to run a few accessories, also, without a separate transformer.
Thanks
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 58329 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Hi Art,

Thanks as I was having some fun with it, as the screws are not really needed anymore since I got the replacements from S Helper Service.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Coopers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.



Hi

A strong magnet might work

Best Regards,

Art
Richardson, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S trains ; Cookie Flannery
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.

I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster the Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had no problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington, DC. Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58330 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC-DC Confusion , a bit more
Possibly another reason for confusion is that Lionel and American Flyer trains are AC and all others are DC powered. We should distinguish between "TOY" and "MODEL" type trains.
AC track power has been used by TOY train manufacturers throughout history, including Carlise & Finch who used full house current at 110 volts to power their trains. Child safety was not an issue in those days. The original focus of both Lionel and American Flyer was to serve the child's toy market, which had traditionally been AC powered trains.
DC track power has been used by MODEL train manufacturers in Z, N, HO, G, and many O and S "scale" enthusiasts. This market was directed at adults, where higher operating and detail standards were required.
You can put a DC can motor in an AC powered TOY train, use an electronic reverse unit, and still run AC track power with other AC trains.
OR you install a DC can motor, eliminate the reverse unit, and use a large DC power pack. You will NOT be able to run with other AC trains because now you are using DC track power.
ALL modern trains are made with a DC can motor, with the circuit board for the reverse unit converting from AC track power to DC motor power. Continued use of AC power is a throwback to that older technology so that old and new trains are still compatable.
The advantage of using a DC can motor is that they are less expensive, run cooler and smoother, and draw less current to operate.
Stumpy Stone...DC power fan in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58331 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC Transformer
Hi Jay
you might want to get a 12 B or larger this will allow you to run 2 trains and accessories you don't want to limit your self and than have to buy again thanks stan
----- Original Message -----
From: jaay_st
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AC Transformer



Good morning,
am currently running a 293 Steam engine with a AF 4B transformer.
I am considering an upgrade to a new transformer. For now, I am staying with AC.
Can anyone make a recommendation for a new AC transformer.
Maybe one which will allow me to run a few accessories, also, without a separate transformer.
Thanks
Jay





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58332 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Screw Memorial Service
Since in using a pantyhose sock of Linda's which put a nice run in it, when using it with a vacuum to screw for the missing very short screws from Bruster's 2008 Christmas car and I could not find them, I vacuumed the living room as that is where the 1982 Fake Christmas tree was standing the last 3 weeks. Linda was fine that I scarified a pantyhose sock for a good cause.

So, I am sure now the screws are forever lost in a vacuum bag and no, I am not going to search through for it for Golden Screws that are too short to do anything, just about.

So, I am having a memorial service for the screws today.

Basically, Goodbye short screws, I knew them well.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58333 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Re-Discovery!
Hi Jim,
              The screw holding the XA10012 Pilot Truck is PA4939.  It was used on Pre War XA8961 Pilot Trucks and XA10012 1946 & 1947.  It is the same screw used on drawbars and trailing trucks throughout the fifties.  The sheet metal trucks used a tubular rivet PA4367 on solid boilers and PA4360 on multi cast boilers.  I'm not sure about the rivet on the Royal Blue.  You may be able tap some 4/40 threads and get a couplet of threads so you can use the PA4939 screws.  If you need any screws, please contact me at seccia@....
                                             Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re-Discovery!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:50 AM







 









I've had several posts on here lately concerning a junker 316 I have been trying to get back in order. It had been what I called a "loco by committee" where several non-316 parts were used in a past reincarnation. The last post I had was a question about the metal wheels on the pilot. The answer was that they should be plastic on the 316.



I took the old pilot assembly off and noticed that, instead of the normal rivet to hold the truck, this one had a screw. I didn't think too much about it except to think, "Well at least it will be easier to replace the coil spring, as I won't have to thread it around the rivet. There was not way to pull the metal wheels and just replace them with plastic without ruining them, so I went to my scrap box and looked at some other pilots. Most were sheet metal, but one was cast. Same part number as the one with metal wheels (PA10012), but this one had plastic wheels. Bingo. Started to look for a rivet, but then took a second look at the screw that held the original in place. It had a shaft of about a half an inch , the same length as the rivet. Well, that made sense. I thought I could just use the old screw and took a close look at it, and it looked very familiar. It was the long version of a tow bar screw! Some old-timer back when had figured
out all he needed to do was drill out the rivet, thread the hole, and use the long draw bar screw. I repeated his process, drilled out the rivet, threaded the hole with my #4 tap (it threaded very easily in the soft cast metal), and then it was very easy to assemble the washer and spring on the screw and put the assembly together.



Here I'd been cussing this guy for all the things her had done to this engine, but this is one of those ingenious solutions, that you think to yourself "Why didn't I think of that?" Just doubt if it would work with the more numerous sheet metal pilots, but if you have one of the old heavier cast ones, this is an easy trick. Hats off to a guy "back in the day" !! Maybe some of you have done this before, but it was a new one to me!



Jim E.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58334 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC Transformer
Hi Jay,



I like the MRC Pure Power Dual model AH601. It has plenty of juice, two
throttles, accessory posts, horn and bell buttons and meters. It pays to
shop this one as there are discounts to be found out there.



Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of jaay_st
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:28 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AC Transformer





Good morning,
am currently running a 293 Steam engine with a AF 4B transformer.
I am considering an upgrade to a new transformer. For now, I am staying
with AC.
Can anyone make a recommendation for a new AC transformer.
Maybe one which will allow me to run a few accessories, also, without a
separate transformer.
Thanks
Jay

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58335 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Discovery
Building locos out of junk box finds as I do, I have found all sorts of "non-original" modifications to old Flyer. These sort of changes are fairly common among heavily used toy trains in both old Flyer and Lionel(which I have also done in the past.)
During these rebuilds I try to find Flyer parts to do the job, but there have been cases where I've had MAKE my own parts for a rebuild, so I've been one of those who has done "non-original" repairs!
On the other hand, during my junk box revivals, I usually don't "restore" to original, but paint and decal for prototype railroads.
Operating reliability is my focus also, which is why I run straight DC power as well.
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 58336 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Hi Mike,

The Ducks will be back next year.

Again, like I wrote to Art, all is fine over two lost screws, forever embedded in the carpet.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.



Mike, This might be a stretch, but a magnet has always worked for me. Save
the nylon, in case the economy really goes bad, good for a 7-11 withdrawal.
Mike in Sad Duckland


In a message dated 1/9/2010 6:36:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster the
Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no
success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum
did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had no
problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had
many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to
the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing
this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington, DC.
Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58337 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
ya I know, you can get a Ducks T Shirt here now 150% off....Mike


In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:10:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Hi Mike,

The Ducks will be back next year.

Again, like I wrote to Art, all is fine over two lost screws, forever
embedded in the carpet.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...)
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.

Mike, This might be a stretch, but a magnet has always worked for me. Save
the nylon, in case the economy really goes bad, good for a 7-11
withdrawal.
Mike in Sad Duckland

In a message dated 1/9/2010 6:36:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes:

I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster
the
Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no
success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum
did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had
no
problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had
many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to
the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing
this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington,
DC.
Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58338 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: AC-DC Confusion , a bit more
I disagree Stumpy - they are all toys, the distinction is between traditional kids toys and adult toys. Unless the loco is designed for educational purposes in an eductional establishment or for concept demonstration in industry it is a toy. Most of us fool ourselves but long as we enjoy it we should not care. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:30 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AC-DC Confusion , a bit more



Possibly another reason for confusion is that Lionel and American Flyer trains are AC and all others are DC powered. We should distinguish between "TOY" and "MODEL" type trains.
AC track power has been used by TOY train manufacturers throughout history, including Carlise & Finch who used full house current at 110 volts to power their trains. Child safety was not an issue in those days. The original focus of both Lionel and American Flyer was to serve the child's toy market, which had traditionally been AC powered trains.
DC track power has been used by MODEL train manufacturers in Z, N, HO, G, and many O and S "scale" enthusiasts. This market was directed at adults, where higher operating and detail standards were required.
You can put a DC can motor in an AC powered TOY train, use an electronic reverse unit, and still run AC track power with other AC trains.
OR you install a DC can motor, eliminate the reverse unit, and use a large DC power pack. You will NOT be able to run with other AC trains because now you are using DC track power.
ALL modern trains are made with a DC can motor, with the circuit board for the reverse unit converting from AC track power to DC motor power. Continued use of AC power is a throwback to that older technology so that old and new trains are still compatable.
The advantage of using a DC can motor is that they are less expensive, run cooler and smoother, and draw less current to operate.
Stumpy Stone...DC power fan in Appalachia.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58339 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/10/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday January 10, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58340 From: sgaugian Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: A different Big Boy problem
22 months and several hundreds of dollars and worth the wait and price.
While not perfect very much enjoyed and appreciated as our first
articulated engine, especially with Legacy. As matter of fact, upon
reassembly, my pilot now centers very nicely between the rails and in
alignment with the bell above. Not sure why, but glad to see it as
compared to before when it had a noticeable bias to the engineer's side
of the engine. Sure it would be nice to have any issues and mfr's
should strive to deliver that, but as a first and relatively complex
cutting edge engine, as long as I don't have to send it back I am
pleased with it - - after all they put more into it than we were first
told there'd be - Legacy, fan smoke, electro-coupler, tetherless tow
bar.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
wrote:
>
> And we waited how long and paid how much for this " quality"?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58341 From: michael robinson Date: 1/10/2010
Subject:
well would a lionel cw-80 watt whistel and bell work a pa-1 lionel american flyer  sound unit it may be ezzer than looking for a button


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58342 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Mike.

Great deal.

Any S items in Oregon going for that type of discount. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.



ya I know, you can get a Ducks T Shirt here now 150% off....Mike


In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:10:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Hi Mike,

The Ducks will be back next year.

Again, like I wrote to Art, all is fine over two lost screws, forever
embedded in the carpet.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...)
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.

Mike, This might be a stretch, but a magnet has always worked for me. Save
the nylon, in case the economy really goes bad, good for a 7-11
withdrawal.
Mike in Sad Duckland

In a message dated 1/9/2010 6:36:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes:

I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster
the
Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no
success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum
did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had
no
problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had
many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to
the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing
this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington,
DC.
Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58343 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} SHS Chessie For Sale...
SW-1 is sold.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Subject: {S-Scale List} SHS Chessie For Sale...
GENTS:
I have for sale one SHS SW-1 Chessie System B&O #8403, part #00441. Except for the addition of Kadee 802 couplers, the engine is NIB.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58344 From: sscalemn Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Pre and Post NASG Convention Activities (Layout Tours and Rail Sites
So many folks have expressed an interest in stopping off in the Twin
Cities for the self-guided layouts tours on the way to and from the NASG
Convention in Duluth in July (www.nasg2010.com
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/www.nasg2010.com> ) that we've
established a contract for room blocks at the Country Inn & Suites on
Carlson Parkway near the junction of Interstate highways I494 and I394.
This hotel is located on the west side of Minneapolis, roughly 23 miles
from MSP airport. Here is a link to google maps with directions on how
to get to the hotel from the airport:

http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=210+Carlson+Parkway+North,+Plymouth,+M\
N+55447+(Country+Inn+%26+Suites)&geocode=FVLVrAIdWdVx-imHuGTOKyn2hzHfEff\
IuRT4Gg%3BFcZcrgIdhN5t-iElXzUxhz9smSkFx30a_kqzUjGt-rpqNJ_PxQ&dirflg=&sad\
dr=MSP+airport&f=d&hl=en&dq=Comfort+Inn+and+Suites+loc:+Plymouth+Mn&sll=\
44.966578,-93.359726&sspn=0.251378,0.247638&ie=UTF8&ll=44.906469,-93.319\
244&spn=0.203283,0.614548&z=11
<http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=210+Carlson+Parkway+North,+Plymouth,+\
MN+55447+(Country+Inn+%26+Suites)&geocode=FVLVrAIdWdVx-imHuGTOKyn2hzHfEf\
fIuRT4Gg%3BFcZcrgIdhN5t-iElXzUxhz9smSkFx30a_kqzUjGt-rpqNJ_PxQ&dirflg=&sa\
ddr=MSP+airport&f=d&hl=en&dq=Comfort+Inn+and+Suites+loc:+Plymouth+Mn&sll\
=44.966578,-93.359726&sspn=0.251378,0.247638&ie=UTF8&ll=44.906469,-93.31\
9244&spn=0.203283,0.614548&z=11>



We have 30 rooms each night, Sunday July 18 through Tuesday July 20, and
then also for Sunday, July 25. The cost for registrants needing sleeping
space before and/or after the convention will be $85 per night (plus
applicable taxes). This is for a standard suite with either a single
King or two Queen beds.



The cutoff date for the block is June 27, 2010. Registrants after the
cutoff date will get the group rate if rooms are still available.



This Country Inn has two pools, a complimentary buffet breakfast every
morning, fully equipped exercise area and a Woody's Grille restaurant.



Here is the link to the hotel.



http://www.countryinns.com/hotels/mnmouth
<http://www.countryinns.com/hotels/mnmouth>

When registering, mention NASG to get the group rate.



This hotel was selected because of the inexpensive price and its
proximity to several of the S model railroad layouts open for visits as
well as railfanning opportunities in the Twin Cities
(http://www.nasg2010.com/layouts.htm
<http://www.nasg2010.com/layouts.htm> ).

@

There is NO free shuttle service to and from the airport for this hotel
but paid shuttle reservations can be booked at the airport. Here is a
link for various services:

www.shuttlefinder.net/airport_shuttles/minneapolis.html
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/www.shuttlefinder.net/airport_sh\
uttles/minneapolis.html>

A rental car may very well be the better option.

Please feel free to contact Ken Zieska (mhry19@...) or Walt
Jopke (sscale@...) with any questions you may have.

It may be only 9F in Duluth today but July's average high is 76F!
Definite Sea & Ski lotion (remember that smell?) weather! Remember, the
convention is 21-24 July. Book early - chairs by the shore are going
fast!

Steve Doyle

PPSSW PR Hack"



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58345 From: michael prell Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Mike?
Want to find them quaranteed? Next time you wake up at about three AM and you're making your way through your room to the kitchen for some Taco Sauce, be sure to NOT wear slippers but rather go bare footed. I know for certain that you'll locate those pesky screws! I've found pins, tacks , broken glass and dog poop.
Mike S-ruuounded by S-now in Syracuse-Prell
(Luckily the dog is an adult now 8>) )


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:41 AM


 



Hi Mike,

The Ducks will be back next year.

Again, like I wrote to Art, all is fine over two lost screws, forever embedded in the carpet.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@aol. com
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.

Mike, This might be a stretch, but a magnet has always worked for me. Save
the nylon, in case the economy really goes bad, good for a 7-11 withdrawal.
Mike in Sad Duckland

In a message dated 1/9/2010 6:36:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@verizon. net writes:

I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster the
Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no
success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum
did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had no
problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had
many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to
the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing
this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington, DC.
Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58346 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
Thanks Mike for your help and concern, lol, but the area of the track was in a corner of the living room with no "foot" traffic and the screws are so small, that the carpet, I don't think it would be a real medical factor in life. LOL

Hopefully they are in the vacuum's belly and will be gone forever once the bag is thrown away.

And no, I am not going to cut the bag open to look for them.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael prell
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.



Mike?
Want to find them quaranteed? Next time you wake up at about three AM and you're making your way through your room to the kitchen for some Taco Sauce, be sure to NOT wear slippers but rather go bare footed. I know for certain that you'll locate those pesky screws! I've found pins, tacks , broken glass and dog poop.
Mike S-ruuounded by S-now in Syracuse-Prell
(Luckily the dog is an adult now 8>) )


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:41 AM



Hi Mike,

The Ducks will be back next year.

Again, like I wrote to Art, all is fine over two lost screws, forever embedded in the carpet.

Mike
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From: anormal1@aol. com
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pantyhose, vacuum and screws.

Mike, This might be a stretch, but a magnet has always worked for me. Save
the nylon, in case the economy really goes bad, good for a 7-11 withdrawal.
Mike in Sad Duckland

In a message dated 1/9/2010 6:36:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@verizon. net writes:

I am sorry to report that the small screws on the S Helper 2008 Bruster the
Reindeer Christmas Car are forever embedded in my carpet.

I tried to use a Pantyhose sock of my wife's with a vacuum and I had no
success in retrieving the two lost souls, err, screws. However, the vacuum
did put a nice run in the sock, so that is now forever ruined. Linda had no
problem with it.

By the way, the Washington Senators baseball team in the 1960's, late, had
many Pantyhose giveaway nights to try to attract more women to coming to
the baseball games. I have not heard of any other team in history doing
this, as in the end, it did not save the team from staying in Washington, DC.
Okay, just a little trivia thing to go with Pantyhose.

Lost screws 2, Ruin Pantyhose sock 1, Mike 0.

Pantyhose Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58347 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Yep
Steve


In a message dated 01/10/2010 4:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mickmick1958@... writes:




well would a lionel cw-80 watt whistel and bell work a pa-1 lionel american
flyer sound unit it may be ezzer than looking for a button

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58348 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Michael,
� I believe that will work, but before you buy the CW80, I would ask the dealer to check with Lionel and insure that would work.  I used a CW80 with my Grandson's Polar Express set and it works great with the Polar Express.  The only question would be if it would work with Lionel American Flyer PA units which were made in the USA in an different Lionel era.
� Tom Seccia

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Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:49 PM







 









well would a lionel cw-80 watt whistel and bell work a pa-1 lionel american flyer sound unit it may be ezzer than looking for a button



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58349 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: When I pay premium prices for an item
In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes:

A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL American
Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@..._ (mailto:mashba@...) about
the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman" boxcar
(6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf storage) in
pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars with bad
trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty. That
kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car business, down
from close to 50%.
Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F by L
prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out of the
box and don't disintegrate at random.

Matt referred me to _KBreir@..._ (mailto:KBreir@...) who
was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue" but, a
"Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions completely, I
emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT got me
nothing either.
There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab derailing the
train, it goes on.

If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues, please let
me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
Thank You,
Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58350 From: John Degnan Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Pizza-Flavored "S"tuff For "S"ale
For Sale : Items seen in photo at URL below...

http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SJunk.jpg

Asking $5 + $3.50 for shipping.


John Degnan
Scaler187@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58351 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Jim,
 
I too wrote Mike Ashba. I told him about my bad experience with the faulty trucks and my operating boxcar. I did receive a nice reply from Mr. Ashba, but no offer to "make it right" or replace the faulty parts. I diplomatically reminded him that I own a fair amount of vintage American Flyer that still works flawlessly after 60 + years. It is a shame that new, non-electronic equipment never makes it to the layout, let alone operates.
 
I know American Flyer is not "Lionel" and will always be second fiddle to the 3-rail equipment but basically, I got the impression that Lionel doesn't give a rip about Quality, or tradition. SHS equipment and American Models still care about the QUALITY of their products and take customer reports to heart, then actually correct them.
 
I guess it is to be expected from a company that thinks 3 rails is normal <grin> Sorry, I just had to say that.
 
I'll not buy any more new Flyer equipment as long as they produce junk. I also like to be able to actually speak to the "head" man when there is a problem. We won't get that personalized service from an importer that is only in it for the buck.
 
I'm not as naive to think that my tiny boycott will make a difference. I also know that no manufacturer for HO scale trains makes them in the USA any more. I never expect any real customer service from the "grocery store" sales group, but the names Lionel and American Flyer are founders of model railroading. I am sure Lionel and A.C.Gilbert are spinning in their grave if they can see how their names are being destroyed.
 
Nuff said,
Nick Kulp




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58352 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Jim,
 
After reading these threads I decided to test all my unrun Flyonel on my temporary under the tree layout. While all were purchased to be operated the current lack of a permanent layout prevents that. Out of 24 engines tested 4 had issues, a failure rate of about 16%. I have not checked my rolling stock for truck issues yet. The problems are as follows:
#1 B&O Mikado  smoke inoperative, shorts in valve linkage causing sparking
#2 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping out of box, sounds intermittent or totally inoperative
#3 Santa Fe docksider  moves 1" in either direction before locking up
#4 Black UP Northern  stops randomly without warning
 
All my other engines including vintage Flyer, SHS and AM operate perfectly on this layout ( all new S Trax from SHS ). The Blue Comet is especially frustrating as both my father and grandfather worked for the CNJ and my Dad had a cab ride on the Comet as a kid. I was hoping to demonstrate it for him this Christmas but not the way it's working now.
 
Bob Hendrickson
 

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From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, mashba@...
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM


 





In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL American
Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@Lionel. com) about
the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman" boxcar
(6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf storage) in
pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars with bad
trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty. That
kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car business, down
from close to 50%.
Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F by L
prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out of the
box and don't disintegrate at random.

Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@Lionel. com) who
was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue" but, a
"Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions completely, I
emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT got me
nothing either.
There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab derailing the
train, it goes on.

If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues, please let
me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
Thank You,
Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58353 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Bob,

BE SURE to fwd to Matt Ashba

Jim


In a message dated 1/10/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
canambob91710k@... writes:

Jim,

After reading these threads I decided to test all my unrun Flyonel on my
temporary under the tree layout. While all were purchased to be operated the
current lack of a permanent layout prevents that. Out of 24 engines tested
4 had issues, a failure rate of about 16%. I have not checked my rolling
stock for truck issues yet. The problems are as follows:
#1 B&O Mikado smoke inoperative, shorts in valve linkage causing sparking
#2 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping out of box, sounds
intermittent or totally inoperative
#3 Santa Fe docksider moves 1" in either direction before locking up
#4 Black UP Northern stops randomly without warning

All my other engines including vintage Flyer, SHS and AM operate perfectly
on this layout ( all new S Trax from SHS ). The Blue Comet is especially
frustrating as both my father and grandfather worked for the CNJ and my Dad
had a cab ride on the Comet as a kid. I was hoping to demonstrate it for
him this Christmas but not the way it's working now.

Bob Hendrickson


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From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, mashba@...
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM








In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL American
Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@Lionel. com)
about
the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman" boxcar
(6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf storage)
in
pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars with bad
trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty. That
kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car business,
down
from close to 50%.
Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F by L
prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out of
the
box and don't disintegrate at random.

Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@Lionel. com) who
was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue" but, a
"Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions completely, I
emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT got me
nothing either.
There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab derailing
the
train, it goes on.

If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues, please let
me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
Thank You,
Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58354 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Friends,
 
I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.
 
I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.
 
Nick Kulp
 
***********
Mr. Ashba,
 
You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.
 
Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.
 
I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.
 
I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.
 
I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.
 
Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.
 
I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.
 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58355 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/10/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Dear Bob,
Can you ask you dad if the logo on the tender was ever had a red
background?
Don

On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:27 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> Jim,
>
> After reading these threads I decided to test all my unrun Flyonel
> on my temporary under the tree layout. While all were purchased to
> be operated the current lack of a permanent layout prevents that.
> Out of 24 engines tested 4 had issues, a failure rate of about 16%.
> I have not checked my rolling stock for truck issues yet. The
> problems are as follows:
> #1 B&O Mikado smoke inoperative, shorts in valve linkage causing
> sparking
> #2 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping out of box, sounds
> intermittent or totally inoperative
> #3 Santa Fe docksider moves 1" in either direction before locking up
> #4 Black UP Northern stops randomly without warning
>
> All my other engines including vintage Flyer, SHS and AM operate
> perfectly on this layout ( all new S Trax from SHS ). The Blue Comet
> is especially frustrating as both my father and grandfather worked
> for the CNJ and my Dad had a cab ride on the Comet as a kid. I was
> hoping to demonstrate it for him this Christmas but not the way it's
> working now.
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:
>
> From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, mashba@...
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:
>
> A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL
> American
> Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
> contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@Lionel.
> com) about
> the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman"
> boxcar
> (6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf
> storage) in
> pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars
> with bad
> trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty.
> That
> kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car
> business, down
> from close to 50%.
> Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F
> by L
> prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out
> of the
> box and don't disintegrate at random.
>
> Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@Lionel. com)
> who
> was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue"
> but, a
> "Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions
> completely, I
> emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT
> got me
> nothing either.
> There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
> over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab
> derailing the
> train, it goes on.
>
> If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues,
> please let
> me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
> Thank You,
> Jim Lyle
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58356 From: michael robinson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject:
thank you againe for the info , sounds like lionel stuf is not worth buying if they have all these probs u should at least ur moneys worth out of any think but if they stop working so quick i would not be happy ,its adds up to too much money in the end


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58357 From: michael prell Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Nick,
I'm a TCA member and I'll be glad to sign a petition to that affect! What's an organization like TCA for if not to call attention to this issue!
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM


 



Friends,
 
I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.
 
I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.
 
Nick Kulp
 
***********
Mr. Ashba,
 
You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.
 
Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.
 
I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.
 
I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.
 
I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement.  I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.
 
Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.
 
I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.
 

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58358 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Hi Nick,
� I'm not sure what the Lionel action car truck looks like or how it works.  The American Flyer trucks to convert would be XA12A050 Knuckle Coupler truck with metal wheels and XA12A057 Knuckle Coupler with action car pick up arm.  Gilbert used rivets to fasten these trucks.  I know Lionel used eyelets on all their productions that I've seen.  If you want to use the Gilbert trucks please send me an email seccia@....  As far as complaining to Lionel all you will get is Lip Service.  There was an article in "O" Gauge Railroading mag the year that the new company bought Lionel from Kughn.  I believe the corporation is Well Springs.  One of the questions the editor of "O" Ga. RR asked the corporate rep was "Why did you buy Lionel"  " Do you know anything about manufacturing model trains" These are not exact quotes His basic response was, we don't have to be experts in that field.  We buy poplar trade names and
sell that product name.  Lionel was the most popular name in Toy Trains and thats why we bought the company.  You can take take that response and see what you and the others are going through regarding your American Flyer purchase.   They already got your money. They don't have to do anything.  It is the same with the "O" Gauge.  They have no repair stations to do warranty work.  Do these trains have warranties?  If these have warranties and these failures are included in the warranties, then you would have something to pursue. If thats the case they would most likely refund your money. That means you would not get the locomotive you wanted. If you make any adjustments or changes to the locomotive, they will most likely tell you that you caused the problem. Lets say they made a run of 1000 or 2000 Big Boys and they refund 100 locomotives.  Their still going to make money and they'll look at their bottom line. The only people that make "S" Gauge
trains right are "S" Gaugers.  American Models and Showcase Line SHS.  They will always be there for you.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM







 









Friends,



I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.



I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.



Nick Kulp



***********

Mr. Ashba,



You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.



Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.



I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.



I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.



I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.



Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.



I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child.. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58359 From: Herbert Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
These are some good posts. Fact is SHS and American Models are run by people who care about model trains. Lionel is run by people who care about "intellectual properties" (patents and copyrights), and the marketing of a "brand."
The allusion to GM's attitude toward quality is a point well taken.
It's not the fault of the Chinese, but the fault of Lionel's lack of pride in their product.
I remember the James Bond Road Racing set that was supposed to be the salvation of Gilbert, but was its undoing. No one had really examined
the product during manufacture overseas and done a proper examination of a pilot run.
The product was very sloppily made and the motor chosen was inadequate to power the cars. Marsh Frisbie, formerly Gilbert's Chief Engineer told me the company had tested the car on a level track, but not on the hilly surface of the final prodct.
Buying te product indicates your approval.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Bob,
> Can you ask you dad if the logo on the tender was ever had a red
> background?
> Don
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:27 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > After reading these threads I decided to test all my unrun Flyonel
> > on my temporary under the tree layout. While all were purchased to
> > be operated the current lack of a permanent layout prevents that.
> > Out of 24 engines tested 4 had issues, a failure rate of about 16%.
> > I have not checked my rolling stock for truck issues yet. The
> > problems are as follows:
> > #1 B&O Mikado smoke inoperative, shorts in valve linkage causing
> > sparking
> > #2 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping out of box, sounds
> > intermittent or totally inoperative
> > #3 Santa Fe docksider moves 1" in either direction before locking up
> > #4 Black UP Northern stops randomly without warning
> >
> > All my other engines including vintage Flyer, SHS and AM operate
> > perfectly on this layout ( all new S Trax from SHS ). The Blue Comet
> > is especially frustrating as both my father and grandfather worked
> > for the CNJ and my Dad had a cab ride on the Comet as a kid. I was
> > hoping to demonstrate it for him this Christmas but not the way it's
> > working now.
> >
> > Bob Hendrickson
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
> > To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, mashba@...
> > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:
> >
> > A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL
> > American
> > Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
> > contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@Lionel.
> > com) about
> > the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman"
> > boxcar
> > (6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf
> > storage) in
> > pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars
> > with bad
> > trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty.
> > That
> > kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car
> > business, down
> > from close to 50%.
> > Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F
> > by L
> > prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out
> > of the
> > box and don't disintegrate at random.
> >
> > Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@Lionel. com)
> > who
> > was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue"
> > but, a
> > "Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions
> > completely, I
> > emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT
> > got me
> > nothing either.
> > There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
> > over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab
> > derailing the
> > train, it goes on.
> >
> > If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues,
> > please let
> > me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
> > Thank You,
> > Jim Lyle
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58360 From: The Laniers Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Calling attention to quality control issues of current manufacturers of toy trains is "not" the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains. Under its current bylaws I believe, this would be a no no. In its quest for new membership over the last few years, the TCA has swelled its membership with hobbyist and operators who are not collectors and who have lost sight of the original goals of the organization. If the majority of members wish to address issues such as this, they need to update the bylaws to support such actions. The bylaws are being updated as we speak, but not, I believe, to address issues such as this.

paflyrman


From: michael prell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item



Nick,
I'm a TCA member and I'll be glad to sign a petition to that affect! What's an organization like TCA for if not to call attention to this issue!
Mike Prell


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM



Friends,

I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.

I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.

Nick Kulp

***********
Mr. Ashba,

You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.

Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.

I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.

I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.

I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.

Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.

I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58361 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Michael,
� Lionel has been making "S" Gauge trains since 1979 and at this point they have been making "S" Gauge trains longer than A.C. Gilbert.  For a number of years all they have been making were reproductions of A.C. Gilbert trains. As the company changed hands over the years and they started doing different things with their "S" Gauge line some of the problems began.  Some of the projects were supposed to be "O" or "O27" productions and they regauged these for "S".  The Big Boy locomotive was originally a K-Line production. Lionel bought K-Line and made it for "S". Railsounds and other features in the new stuff are pretty neat and those may interest you.  If you are interested in adding another diesel or some rolling stock you may want to look at some of the American Models and Showcase Line productions.  They are a nice selection of these with American Flyer compatible trucks and couplers.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, michael robinson <mickmick1958@...> wrote:

From: michael robinson <mickmick1958@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:20 PM







 









thank you againe for the info , sounds like lionel stuf is not worth buying if they have all these probs u should at least ur moneys worth out of any think but if they stop working so quick i would not be happy ,its adds up to too much money in the end



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58362 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Don,
 
I'll be happy to ask him but I have to catch him on a good as he's 89 now and the memory is often a wee bit shaky. Pop worked on signal maintenance along the main line, starting at tower A and working west. My grandfather was also a signalman and had been signal supervisor for the CRP and later the NY&LB. I still have a shovel Pop used with CNJ markings on it along with some of the tools my grandfather usd for signals.
 
Bob Hendrickson

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:


From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:32 PM


 



Dear Bob,
Can you ask you dad if the logo on the tender was ever had a red
background?
Don

On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:27 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> Jim,
>
> After reading these threads I decided to test all my unrun Flyonel
> on my temporary under the tree layout. While all were purchased to
> be operated the current lack of a permanent layout prevents that.
> Out of 24 engines tested 4 had issues, a failure rate of about 16%.
> I have not checked my rolling stock for truck issues yet. The
> problems are as follows:
> #1 B&O Mikado smoke inoperative, shorts in valve linkage causing
> sparking
> #2 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping out of box, sounds
> intermittent or totally inoperative
> #3 Santa Fe docksider moves 1" in either direction before locking up
> #4 Black UP Northern stops randomly without warning
>
> All my other engines including vintage Flyer, SHS and AM operate
> perfectly on this layout ( all new S Trax from SHS ). The Blue Comet
> is especially frustrating as both my father and grandfather worked
> for the CNJ and my Dad had a cab ride on the Comet as a kid. I was
> hoping to demonstrate it for him this Christmas but not the way it's
> working now.
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:
>
> From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
> To: toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com
> Cc: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, mashba@lionel. com
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:
>
> A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL
> American
> Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
> contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@ Lionel.
> com) about
> the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman"
> boxcar
> (6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf
> storage) in
> pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars
> with bad
> trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty.
> That
> kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car
> business, down
> from close to 50%.
> Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F
> by L
> prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out
> of the
> box and don't disintegrate at random.
>
> Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@ Lionel. com)
> who
> was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue"
> but, a
> "Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions
> completely, I
> emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT
> got me
> nothing either.
> There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
> over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab
> derailing the
> train, it goes on.
>
> If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues,
> please let
> me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
> Thank You,
> Jim Lyle
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58363 From: mike jones Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Jim,
I have already sent Matt an email about my brand new Mikado with a faulty smoke unit. This is the first Flionel product that i have bought and i am extremely disappointed with the quality control. So now i have to wait 4ish weeks to get my locomotive fixed. It is a shame that a once great company has fallen so far.
Mike J.


--- On Sun, 1/10/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, mashba@...
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM


 





In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL American
Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@Lionel. com) about
the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman" boxcar
(6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf storage) in
pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars with bad
trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty. That
kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car business, down
from close to 50%.
Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F by L
prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out of the
box and don't disintegrate at random.

Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@Lionel. com) who
was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue" but, a
"Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions completely, I
emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT got me
nothing either.
There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab derailing the
train, it goes on.

If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues, please let
me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
Thank You,
Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58364 From: michael prell Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Then, isn't it about time that TCA took a stand on this issue in favor of it's members and NOT Lionel, since , as you so aptly stated, " the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains". As a collector/operator, if I were to have purchased any of the afore mentioned Lionel products, you can be better well told that I'd be just as upset as my fellow collectors/operators. We buy these items to see them run and operate properly. Not to have them fall apart the moment they're placed on track. Quality control was once the key phrase. Customer Satisfaction as well. When Lionel chooses to ignore these in favor of profit, then I'd suggest that they close the doors and go home. No Sir! It is up to TCA members to take a stand. Change the bi-laws or what ever. If we do not stay current and support our members, then what are we really all about. Heads out of the sand, People! Make our voices heard!


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, The Laniers <hblanier@...> wrote:


From: The Laniers <hblanier@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:51 AM


 



Calling attention to quality control issues of current manufacturers of toy trains is "not" the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains. Under its current bylaws I believe, this would be a no no. In its quest for new membership over the last few years, the TCA has swelled its membership with hobbyist and operators who are not collectors and who have lost sight of the original goals of the organization. If the majority of members wish to address issues such as this, they need to update the bylaws to support such actions. The bylaws are being updated as we speak, but not, I believe, to address issues such as this.

paflyrman

From: michael prell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item

Nick,
I'm a TCA member and I'll be glad to sign a petition to that affect! What's an organization like TCA for if not to call attention to this issue!
Mike Prell

Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM

Friends,

I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.

I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.

Nick Kulp

***********
Mr. Ashba,

You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.

Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.

I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.

I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.

I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.

Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.

I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58365 From: The Laniers Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
I don't like to spend my hard earned dollars on junk any more than the next guy. I just don't expect for an organization that was formed to promote a hobby (collecting trains) to become a consumer advocate organization. There are already non profit organizations in existence for that. If you think your dues are high now, imagine if you had to pay the lawyers and law firms that TCA would need for the inevitable lawsuits that would eventuate if the they were to take actions on behalf of its membership against the various manufacturers. One has to be realistic and not look for relief in the wrong places.

paflyrman


From: michael prell
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item



Then, isn't it about time that TCA took a stand on this issue in favor of it's members and NOT Lionel, since , as you so aptly stated, " the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains". As a collector/operator, if I were to have purchased any of the afore mentioned Lionel products, you can be better well told that I'd be just as upset as my fellow collectors/operators. We buy these items to see them run and operate properly. Not to have them fall apart the moment they're placed on track. Quality control was once the key phrase. Customer Satisfaction as well. When Lionel chooses to ignore these in favor of profit, then I'd suggest that they close the doors and go home. No Sir! It is up to TCA members to take a stand. Change the bi-laws or what ever. If we do not stay current and support our members, then what are we really all about. Heads out of the sand, People! Make our voices heard!


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, The Laniers <hblanier@...> wrote:

From: The Laniers <hblanier@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:51 AM



Calling attention to quality control issues of current manufacturers of toy trains is "not" the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains. Under its current bylaws I believe, this would be a no no. In its quest for new membership over the last few years, the TCA has swelled its membership with hobbyist and operators who are not collectors and who have lost sight of the original goals of the organization. If the majority of members wish to address issues such as this, they need to update the bylaws to support such actions. The bylaws are being updated as we speak, but not, I believe, to address issues such as this.

paflyrman

From: michael prell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item

Nick,
I'm a TCA member and I'll be glad to sign a petition to that affect! What's an organization like TCA for if not to call attention to this issue!
Mike Prell

Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM

Friends,

I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.

I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.

Nick Kulp

***********
Mr. Ashba,

You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.

Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.

I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.

I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.

I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.

Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.

I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58366 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
I would not expect the TCA to become a comsumer advocate group either but I do not see anything wrong with using our voices to indicate our displeasure with Lionel's products. Even if you are strictly a collector it's tough to display rolling stock with broken trucks.
 
Bob Hendrickson

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, The Laniers <hblanier@...> wrote:


From: The Laniers <hblanier@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:01 PM


 



I don't like to spend my hard earned dollars on junk any more than the next guy. I just don't expect for an organization that was formed to promote a hobby (collecting trains) to become a consumer advocate organization. There are already non profit organizations in existence for that. If you think your dues are high now, imagine if you had to pay the lawyers and law firms that TCA would need for the inevitable lawsuits that would eventuate if the they were to take actions on behalf of its membership against the various manufacturers. One has to be realistic and not look for relief in the wrong places.

paflyrman

From: michael prell
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item

Then, isn't it about time that TCA took a stand on this issue in favor of it's members and NOT Lionel, since , as you so aptly stated, " the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains". As a collector/operator, if I were to have purchased any of the afore mentioned Lionel products, you can be better well told that I'd be just as upset as my fellow collectors/operator s. We buy these items to see them run and operate properly. Not to have them fall apart the moment they're placed on track. Quality control was once the key phrase. Customer Satisfaction as well. When Lionel chooses to ignore these in favor of profit, then I'd suggest that they close the doors and go home. No Sir! It is up to TCA members to take a stand. Change the bi-laws or what ever. If we do not stay current and support our members, then what are we really all about. Heads out of the sand, People! Make our voices heard!

Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, The Laniers <hblanier@embarqmail .com> wrote:

From: The Laniers <hblanier@embarqmail .com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:51 AM

Calling attention to quality control issues of current manufacturers of toy trains is "not" the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains. Under its current bylaws I believe, this would be a no no. In its quest for new membership over the last few years, the TCA has swelled its membership with hobbyist and operators who are not collectors and who have lost sight of the original goals of the organization. If the majority of members wish to address issues such as this, they need to update the bylaws to support such actions. The bylaws are being updated as we speak, but not, I believe, to address issues such as this.

paflyrman

From: michael prell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item

Nick,
I'm a TCA member and I'll be glad to sign a petition to that affect! What's an organization like TCA for if not to call attention to this issue!
Mike Prell

Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM

Friends,

I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.

I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.

Nick Kulp

***********
Mr. Ashba,

You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.

Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.

I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group.. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.

I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.

I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.

Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.

I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58367 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Dear Bob,
Great story. Our offices are about a quarter mile from where the
Cliffwood station used to be. I grew up in Laurence Harbor in the
50's and could see the NY&LB from our back yard. I remember the K4s
and all of the red passenger cars....
Don

On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:53 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> Don,
>
> I'll be happy to ask him but I have to catch him on a good as he's
> 89 now and the memory is often a wee bit shaky. Pop worked on signal
> maintenance along the main line, starting at tower A and working
> west. My grandfather was also a signalman and had been signal
> supervisor for the CRP and later the NY&LB. I still have a shovel
> Pop used with CNJ markings on it along with some of the tools my
> grandfather usd for signals.
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:32 PM
>
>
>
> Dear Bob,
> Can you ask you dad if the logo on the tender was ever had a red
> background?
> Don
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:27 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > After reading these threads I decided to test all my unrun Flyonel
> > on my temporary under the tree layout. While all were purchased to
> > be operated the current lack of a permanent layout prevents that.
> > Out of 24 engines tested 4 had issues, a failure rate of about 16%.
> > I have not checked my rolling stock for truck issues yet. The
> > problems are as follows:
> > #1 B&O Mikado smoke inoperative, shorts in valve linkage causing
> > sparking
> > #2 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping out of box, sounds
> > intermittent or totally inoperative
> > #3 Santa Fe docksider moves 1" in either direction before locking up
> > #4 Black UP Northern stops randomly without warning
> >
> > All my other engines including vintage Flyer, SHS and AM operate
> > perfectly on this layout ( all new S Trax from SHS ). The Blue Comet
> > is especially frustrating as both my father and grandfather worked
> > for the CNJ and my Dad had a cab ride on the Comet as a kid. I was
> > hoping to demonstrate it for him this Christmas but not the way it's
> > working now.
> >
> > Bob Hendrickson
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
> > To: toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Cc: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, mashba@lionel. com
> > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:
> >
> > A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL
> > American
> > Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
> > contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@ Lionel.
> > com) about
> > the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman"
> > boxcar
> > (6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf
> > storage) in
> > pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars
> > with bad
> > trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty.
> > That
> > kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car
> > business, down
> > from close to 50%.
> > Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F
> > by L
> > prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out
> > of the
> > box and don't disintegrate at random.
> >
> > Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@ Lionel.
> com)
> > who
> > was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue"
> > but, a
> > "Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions
> > completely, I
> > emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT
> > got me
> > nothing either.
> > There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
> > over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab
> > derailing the
> > train, it goes on.
> >
> > If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues,
> > please let
> > me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
> > Thank You,
> > Jim Lyle
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58368 From: william cole Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
speak with your dollars!!! SHS and Am have plenty of great running items, and back up what they sell.....!
 
support your local dealers,

Bc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58369 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Quality control issues
Dear Mr Ashba,
 
  After reading many recent posts on s gauge groups about issues with American Flyer by Lionel I began checking my boxed and unrun units/sets. While all of these were purchased woth the intent of operating them the current lack of a permanent layout prevents that. However I did test these trains on a temporary layout using new SHS S-Trax. The issues I have are as follows:
#1 B&O Mikado smoke inoperative and intermittent short circuit to valve gear on left side causing sparking
#2 Santa Fe docksider  will only move one inch in either direction before locking up
#3 Black UP Northern randomly stops and will not restart unless pushed
#4 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping, sounds work only randomly or not at all
 
Out of the 24 engines I tested this constitutes about a 16% failure rate, which I feel is entirely too high. All of these engine were new in the box and being run for the first time. As some of these units are several years old I understand they are not covered by your warranty. However there should not be this many problems with new items regardless of age. I have enthusiastically awaited and purchased almost all of the new Flyer by Lionel offering but being on a fixed income now I find I must temper that enthusiasm due to these issues. It is my understanding that the same factory that produces Lionel also manufactures the trains sold by S Helper Service and American Models so I do not understand why I have experienced so many problems with your product and none with those of your competitors. The names Lionel and American Flyer both denote quality and carry a great deal of goodwill among toy train purchasers. By using these trademarks I think a certain
cachet of both quality and customer service is implied. It is unfortunate that these issues do not seem to be as important to you as your competition.. Obviously the factory is capable of producing quality products with proper oversight so this begs the question: does Lionel care about it's customers and maintaining their loyalty?
 
By the way, the test track I used operated other Flyer by Lionel, SHS, AM and original AC Gilbert Flyer with no issues so I think the question of trackwork is moot. The biggest disappointment for me personally was with the Blue Comet set . Both my Father and Grandfather worked for the Central RR of NJ and as a child my Dad actually once rode in the cab of the Blue Comet. I had hoped to demonstrate the train for him ( he's 89 ) but will not in it's present state of operation.
 
Thank you
Robert Hendrickson




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58370 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Response from Mike Ashba
Friends,
 
The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.
 
1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."
 
This means he has already trashed them.
 
2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."
 
It's not MY job to give a rip.
 
3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered."
 
The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.
 
4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."
 
I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.

The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.
 
Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line.  It could be no worse off.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
>>>>>>
Nick,
Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or
trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to
the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you
encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue
and any replacement you seek.

Best regards,
Matt





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58371 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Don,
 
I grew up in Colonia, not far from the Pennsy main. I can remember the K4s from when I was little as well as a Reading Ramble with a Northern for motive power coming into Port Reading. My friends and I would sit in the little waiting hut at the old Colonia station and watch the trains go by. I can recall seeing some of the P5s as well as the awesome GG1s. Wish I had a camera back then. I remember as a kid going to the shore passing the old Pirate Ship on Rt 35 and when the Budd RDcs used to run to the Highlands.
Bob

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:


From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:48 PM


 



Dear Bob,
Great story. Our offices are about a quarter mile from where the
Cliffwood station used to be. I grew up in Laurence Harbor in the
50's and could see the NY&LB from our back yard. I remember the K4s
and all of the red passenger cars....
Don

On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:53 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> Don,
>
> I'll be happy to ask him but I have to catch him on a good as he's
> 89 now and the memory is often a wee bit shaky. Pop worked on signal
> maintenance along the main line, starting at tower A and working
> west. My grandfather was also a signalman and had been signal
> supervisor for the CRP and later the NY&LB. I still have a shovel
> Pop used with CNJ markings on it along with some of the tools my
> grandfather usd for signals.
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com> wrote:
>
> From: Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:32 PM
>
>
>
> Dear Bob,
> Can you ask you dad if the logo on the tender was ever had a red
> background?
> Don
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:27 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > After reading these threads I decided to test all my unrun Flyonel
> > on my temporary under the tree layout. While all were purchased to
> > be operated the current lack of a permanent layout prevents that.
> > Out of 24 engines tested 4 had issues, a failure rate of about 16%.
> > I have not checked my rolling stock for truck issues yet. The
> > problems are as follows:
> > #1 B&O Mikado smoke inoperative, shorts in valve linkage causing
> > sparking
> > #2 CNJ Blue Comet Pacific broken feedwater piping out of box, sounds
> > intermittent or totally inoperative
> > #3 Santa Fe docksider moves 1" in either direction before locking up
> > #4 Black UP Northern stops randomly without warning
> >
> > All my other engines including vintage Flyer, SHS and AM operate
> > perfectly on this layout ( all new S Trax from SHS ). The Blue Comet
> > is especially frustrating as both my father and grandfather worked
> > for the CNJ and my Dad had a cab ride on the Comet as a kid. I was
> > hoping to demonstrate it for him this Christmas but not the way it's
> > working now.
> >
> > Bob Hendrickson
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
> > To: toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Cc: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, mashba@lionel. com
> > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:11 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:
> >
> > A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL
> > American
> > Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
> > contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@ Lionel.
> > com) about
> > the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman"
> > boxcar
> > (6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf
> > storage) in
> > pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars
> > with bad
> > trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty.
> > That
> > kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car
> > business, down
> > from close to 50%.
> > Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F
> > by L
> > prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out
> > of the
> > box and don't disintegrate at random.
> >
> > Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@ Lionel.
> com)
> > who
> > was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue"
> > but, a
> > "Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions
> > completely, I
> > emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT
> > got me
> > nothing either.
> > There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
> > over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab
> > derailing the
> > train, it goes on.
> >
> > If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues,
> > please let
> > me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
> > Thank You,
> > Jim Lyle
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58372 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: OT- TCA and members should fight for quality (was) When I pay premiu
Mr. paflyerman,
 
In 2008, the NMRA, also a non-profit organization, helped out in a lawsuit that involved intellectual property and outright piracy on the behalf of an open source piece of software called JMRI. It was created for our hobby and GIVEN away for FREE. A company used (pirated) sections of the software and then SOLD their product without acknowledging the fact they did not create it. The case was won with the help of the NMRA and the only "repercussion" from the win has been that a software pirate has been stopped cold in his tracks. My dues have not gone up. My enjoyment of my trains has not changed. And, for once, the bad guys lost in court. check out these links for the details. http://modeltrains.about.com/b/2008/08/14/jmri-wins-lawsuit.htm
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/technology/14commons.html?_r=2&ref=business&oref=slogin
 
Granted, this is not exactly the same issue, but it does involve the QUALITY of our hobby, if not the very fabric of why we are involved in trains in the first place. As was stated before, the "company" that bought Lionel, only bought the NAME. They have no interest in the product. When, not IF, they totally destroy Lionel like General Foods almost did, we might not be able to have another White Knight save it this time. If we continue to tilt at windmills without any organization, it is a lot like buying an election. We all lose.
 
Perhaps the TCA is not the right organization to fight this battle, can you offer another organization's name that enjoys TOY trains? We can simply ignore this and hope it will go away, or we, as train nuts, can tell Lionel that they are wrong and should try to correct the problem. Any company that ignores an organization that directly is connected to their product, with the membership that TCA has, should start selling buttonhooks. By buying their shoddy product, we encourage them to do "business as usual".
 
My apologies to the group. This thread does have a direct bearing toward our hobby but it appears that the energy to pursue it has dwindled. I for one, will no longer purchase any product with a connection to Lionel. I will also post messages to any and every site with an interest in Lionel and American Flyer trains. I strongly suggest that others that expect quality and honor, go elsewhere to where the management actually cares about it's customer base.
 
Respectfully,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>>
I don't like to spend my hard earned dollars on junk any more than the next guy. I just don't expect for an organization that was formed to promote a hobby (collecting trains) to become a consumer advocate organization. There are already non profit organizations in existence for that. If you think your dues are high now, imagine if you had to pay the lawyers and law firms that TCA would need for the inevitable lawsuits that would eventuate if the they were to take actions on behalf of its membership against the various manufacturers. One has to be realistic and not look for relief in the wrong places.

paflyrman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58373 From: Harold henion Jr. Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
no problems so far , i have chosen to deal with it while it is under warranty instead of wait a few years keeping it in the box.





________________________________
From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...>
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; mashba@...
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 7:11:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item




In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:58:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com writes:

A rather lengthy discussion has started on S-Trains about LIONEL American
Flyer and the myriad quality issues there seem to be. I have been in
contact with Matt Ashba _mashba@Lionel. com_ (mailto:mashba@Lionel. com) about
the trucks falling apart on the RE-introduced "Walking Brakeman" boxcar
(6-49038). One of the two trucks fell out of the box (from shelf storage) in
pieces. One of the S-trains members says he has 40 A/F by L cars with bad
trucks and Lionel blew him off, not THEIR problem, OUT of warranty. That
kind arrogance helped GM attain 12 % market share in the car business, down
from close to 50%.
Part of the issue is the 20 to 40 dollar difference between the A/F by L
prices and the prices of competitors freight cars that just work out of the
box and don't disintegrate at random.

Matt referred me to _KBreir@Lionel. com_ (mailto:KBreir@Lionel. com) who
was willing to talk until I told him this is not a "warranty issue" but, a
"Faulty Product" issue. When THAT stopped the discussions completely, I
emailed back and requested Jerry Calabrece's e-mail address. THAT got me
nothing either.
There are daily complaints about the new Big Boy motors failing, the
over-sized tender trucks, the wires between the tender and cab derailing the
train, it goes on.

If anyone on here has A/F by Lionel and is having these issues, please let
me know. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
Thank You,
Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58374 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: A/F by L
Joe,
I am not advocating TCA go to bat for us "S" guys, I just need to know HOW
DEEP the issue is. At this point in time, I AM being ignored by LIONEL
At this point in time, for instance, Don @ S-Helper Service would have
addressed the problem OR
I would have had a conversation with Ron or Zack Bashista @ American
Models, OR
Ron @ Des Plaines would have replied OR
Tom @ Pennsylvania Heritage Models would be on the phone OR
whomever else the problem might be with WOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION to the
issue.
Going to start to count the days (REFUSE to hold my breath) since I
requested Mr Calabrece's email address.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58375 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Lionel to sell American Flyer?
My take on this is that Lionel will NEVER sell the American Flyer brand name and tooling.
First of all, there are enough non-operating collectors that will buy anything with the AF name on it.
Second, when those sales slump too far, Lionel will just stop making AF altogether.
Third, they don't want to risk putting this market into the hands of a competitor.
Fourth, in the current economic environment, there are NO buyers for this sort of business.
Now, what if I'm wrong? Let's look at what would be for sale...
The American Flyer name, which means something to we older folks, but has no value to younger folks.
Tooling which is over fifty years old, pretty tired, and not well detailed enough for today's more demanding market. Again, old AF is meaningful for we oldsters, but otherwise not worth much.
The tooling for the Mikado and Pacific would be worth having in today's market, but there is not enough there to start a whole new business.
Besides, if Lionel would sell, they certainly wouldn't sell at a price which would make sense to anyone trying to make a "new" American Flyer financially viable.
Stumpy Stone...looking through a foggy crystal ball...in frozen Upper Redneckia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58376 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Hey Nick,

I had the same thing happen to a new side-dump car. I used a heavy bodied ACC glue and put the truck back together. It's working for now, and only time will tell how ong it holds before another part fails. I give this information about the heavy ACC because, my grandchildren were missing the car, so I needed to perform some "magic".

Pat, in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Kulp
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item



Friends,

I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.

I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.

Nick Kulp

***********
Mr. Ashba,

You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.

Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.

I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.

I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.

I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.

Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.

I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58377 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: OT- TCA and members should fight for quality (was) When I pay ..
"By buying their shoddy product, we encourage them to do "business as
usual".


My only issue is to get a product that works and has the value I am paying
for. I can pay far less for better products from LIONEL's competition, had
NO option when this car (6-49038 Walking Brakeman) was bought. No desire
to have a business sold, put out of business, etc, JUST VALUE for my money.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/11/2010 4:53:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cornwall9@... writes:

Mr. paflyerman,

In 2008, the NMRA, also a non-profit organization, helped out in a lawsuit
that involved intellectual property and outright piracy on the behalf of
an open source piece of software called JMRI. It was created for our hobby
and GIVEN away for FREE. A company used (pirated) sections of the software
and then SOLD their product without acknowledging the fact they did not
create it. The case was won with the help of the NMRA and the only
"repercussion" from the win has been that a software pirate has been stopped cold in
his tracks. My dues have not gone up. My enjoyment of my trains has not
changed. And, for once, the bad guys lost in court. check out these links for
the details. http://modeltrains.about.com/b/2008/08/14/jmri-wins-lawsuit.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/technology/14commons.html?_r=2&ref=busines
s&oref=slogin

Granted, this is not exactly the same issue, but it does involve the
QUALITY of our hobby, if not the very fabric of why we are involved in trains in
the first place. As was stated before, the "company" that bought Lionel,
only bought the NAME. They have no interest in the product. When, not IF,
they totally destroy Lionel like General Foods almost did, we might not be
able to have another White Knight save it this time. If we continue to tilt
at windmills without any organization, it is a lot like buying an election.
We all lose.

Perhaps the TCA is not the right organization to fight this battle, can
you offer another organization's name that enjoys TOY trains? We can simply
ignore this and hope it will go away, or we, as train nuts, can tell Lionel
that they are wrong and should try to correct the problem. Any company that
ignores an organization that directly is connected to their product, with
the membership that TCA has, should start selling buttonhooks. By buying
their shoddy product, we encourage them to do "business as usual".

My apologies to the group. This thread does have a direct bearing toward
our hobby but it appears that the energy to pursue it has dwindled. I for
one, will no longer purchase any product with a connection to Lionel. I will
also post messages to any and every site with an interest in Lionel and
American Flyer trains. I strongly suggest that others that expect quality and
honor, go elsewhere to where the management actually cares about it's
customer base.

Respectfully,
Nick Kulp

>>>>>>
I don't like to spend my hard earned dollars on junk any more than the
next guy. I just don't expect for an organization that was formed to promote a
hobby (collecting trains) to become a consumer advocate organization.
There are already non profit organizations in existence for that. If you think
your dues are high now, imagine if you had to pay the lawyers and law firms
that TCA would need for the inevitable lawsuits that would eventuate if
the they were to take actions on behalf of its membership against the various
manufacturers. One has to be realistic and not look for relief in the
wrong places.

paflyrman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58378 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
I think the solution is quite simple....Just STOP BUYING LIONEL FLYER JUNK!!!    Al Paolozzi   Enjoying the old Gilbert flyer in the desert.
Support those that care about quality and will stand behind their product....  S Helper and American Models and the like.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:53 AM







 









Friends,

 

The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.

 

1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."

 

This means he has already trashed them.

 

2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."

 

It's not MY job to give a rip.

 

3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "

 

The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.

 

4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."

 

I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.



The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.

 

Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line.  It could be no worse off.

 

Regards,

Nick Kulp

>>>>>>

Nick,

Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or

trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to

the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you

encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue

and any replacement you seek.



Best regards,

Matt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58379 From: Ben Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Hi-

I just sold an AF Game Train set, sans game board/pieces, to a gentleman on Long island. He wanted to know what the "games" were. I told him what I knew from memory, but I seem to recall a write up on the Game Train set on the inside back cover or as a feature in Classic Toy Trains a few years back.

Can anyone pinpoint the issue for me? I tried to use CTT's online index without much success and don't really have the time to look through all of my back issues right now. I wanted to send a color copy of the article with the train set.

Thanks! Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 58380 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Ben,

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1963Catalog/AF_1963_catalog_page48.htm

Hope this hopes.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Game Train Write-up...CTT?



Hi-

I just sold an AF Game Train set, sans game board/pieces, to a gentleman on Long island. He wanted to know what the "games" were. I told him what I knew from memory, but I seem to recall a write up on the Game Train set on the inside back cover or as a feature in Classic Toy Trains a few years back.

Can anyone pinpoint the issue for me? I tried to use CTT's online index without much success and don't really have the time to look through all of my back issues right now. I wanted to send a color copy of the article with the train set.

Thanks! Ben





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58381 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
"but I seem to recall a write-up on the Game Train set on the inside back cover or as a feature in
Classic Toy Trains a few years back."

I may have that article ...... I'll take a look.

Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 58382 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
I found the one page CTT article ... but I have to go back to work now! :^(


Rick



On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Rick Evans wrote:

> "but I seem to recall a write-up on the Game Train set on the inside back cover or as a feature in
> Classic Toy Trains a few years back."
>
> I may have that article ...... I'll take a look.
>
> Rick
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58383 From: clayton deich Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
That is so sad to read Tom. That a good name goes down in flames....

 Clayton

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:48 PM
















 









Hi Nick,

  I'm not sure what the Lionel action car truck looks like or how it works.  The American Flyer trucks to convert would be XA12A050 Knuckle Coupler truck with metal wheels and XA12A057 Knuckle Coupler with action car pick up arm.  Gilbert used rivets to fasten these trucks.  I know Lionel used eyelets on all their productions that I've seen.  If you want to use the Gilbert trucks please send me an email seccia@....  As far as complaining to Lionel all you will get is Lip Service.  There was an article in "O" Gauge Railroading mag the year that the new company bought Lionel from Kughn.  I believe the corporation is Well Springs.  One of the questions the editor of "O" Ga. RR asked the corporate rep was "Why did you buy Lionel"  " Do you know anything about manufacturing model trains" These are not exact quotes His basic response was, we don't have to be experts in that field.  We buy poplar trade names and

sell that product name.  Lionel was the most popular name in Toy Trains and thats why we bought the company.  You can take take that response and see what you and the others are going through regarding your American Flyer purchase.   They already got your money. They don't have to do anything.  It is the same with the "O" Gauge.  They have no repair stations to do warranty work.  Do these trains have warranties?  If these have warranties and these failures are included in the warranties, then you would have something to pursue. If thats the case they would most likely refund your money. That means you would not get the locomotive you wanted. If you make any adjustments or changes to the locomotive, they will most likely tell you that you caused the problem. Lets say they made a run of 1000 or 2000 Big Boys and they refund 100 locomotives.  Their still going to make money and they'll look at their bottom line. The only people
that make "S" Gauge

trains right are "S" Gaugers.  American Models and Showcase Line SHS.  They will always be there for you.

Tom Seccia



--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM



 



Friends,



I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.



I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.



Nick Kulp



***********



Mr. Ashba,



You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.



Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.



I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.



I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.



I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.



Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.



I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child.. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58384 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Ashba Email Address
Several people keep saying we should email Ashba - what is his email address?

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58385 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Game Train Write-up...CTT?
Contact Jan at TCA Library, _librarian@..._
(mailto:librarian@...)

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/11/2010 7:09:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lbstiles@... writes:

Hi-

I just sold an AF Game Train set, sans game board/pieces, to a gentleman
on Long island. He wanted to know what the "games" were. I told him what I
knew from memory, but I seem to recall a write up on the Game Train set on
the inside back cover or as a feature in Classic Toy Trains a few years back.

Can anyone pinpoint the issue for me? I tried to use CTT's online index
without much success and don't really have the time to look through all of my
back issues right now. I wanted to send a color copy of the article with
the train set.

Thanks! Ben



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58386 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Ashba Email Address
_Mashba@..._ (mailto:Mashba@...)


In a message dated 1/11/2010 9:05:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:

Several people keep saying we should email Ashba - what is his email
address?

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58387 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Parts need followup
Any Northern chassis is fine. 332, 334, 336 all work.
Steve


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58388 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Ashba Email Address
BG,
 
Mr Ashba is a dead-end. I was basically told, politely by him, it was not his job and to pound sand, TWICE after I provided photos of the defective truck. It was my second experience of TWO new purchases. They have batted 100% failure rate with my dollars. Lionel will not get any more of my hobby dollars.
 
One side note, I purchased an SHS Sw1 switcher earlier this year. It had no instruction sheet and a screw was missing. I got a response with 8 hours of my email. I know where my next S Scale purchase will be made.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/2010 9:05:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
bull_gator_1@... writes:

Several  people keep saying we should email Ashba - what is his email 
address?

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58389 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: OT- TCA and members should fight for quality
Jim and other members,
 
My idea is NOT to sue Lionel. I know they have more money than I, or the TCA, has to fight that fight. I too agree that all I really want is what I paid an inflated price for.
 
I also have a reasonable expectation as to how long the product should last with normal use. It is not unrealistic to expect the trucks to last a lifetime of use but the product should at least make it out of the box and work for a couple of years. I bought the baggage handler accessory with the 934 Erie operating boxcar. The truck broke in less than 3 months and I was basically told to pound sand.
 
I don't want the business sold either. I'd be happy if it was run like most businesses. I'd be thrilled if they actually offered to fix the car. That was not even offered. I was "government shuffled" with the "it's not my job, contact another department" response. No apology for a known issue, no offer of replacement parts, no nothing. Just the feeling of disappointment with a big, uncaring corporate talking head.
 
I don't care wht you buy, when you notify someone of a real problem, most will respond positively and try to help. Even McDonalds provides coupons when they make a mistake. My impression of their customer service is that Lionel has simply taken the view to "rake it in while they can". When the company tanks because no one will buy their trash anymore, they will dump it and move on to another brand name to viscerate. 
 
No lawsuit intended, only a quality product for a reasonable price.
 
Nick Kulp
 
 
"By buying their shoddy product, we encourage them to do  "business as
usual".


My only issue is to get a product that works and has the value I am paying 
for.  I can pay far less for better products from LIONEL's competition, had
NO option when this car (6-49038 Walking Brakeman) was bought.  No desire 
to have a business sold, put out of business, etc, JUST VALUE for my  money.

Jim Lyle





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58390 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Parts need
I have a 334DC of which the loco chassis is crumbling into dust. I have
already replaced the crumbled tender frame but need a chassis for the loco.
Just need the bare chassis, but one with wheels is OK too. The boiler and
tender shell are beautiful and this baby needs to get back on track. Any help
will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.....
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58391 From: Ronald Prucha Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need followup
See e-bay  several chassis and complete northern drives listed  Seller is Yorel    


________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:55:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts need followup

 
Any Northern chassis is fine. 332, 334, 336 all work.
Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58392 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Hi Clayton,
� The names are what they're selling.  Lionel and American Flyer.  Besides trains think about coffee cups, tee shirts and hats.  They could stop making trains and still sell and make even more money on these items because these are cheaper to make.  Large corporations know how to make a buck. 
Tom Seccia

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From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:32 PM







 









That is so sad to read Tom. That a good name goes down in flames....



Clayton



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:48 PM







Hi Nick,



I'm not sure what the Lionel action car truck looks like or how it works. The American Flyer trucks to convert would be XA12A050 Knuckle Coupler truck with metal wheels and XA12A057 Knuckle Coupler with action car pick up arm. Gilbert used rivets to fasten these trucks. I know Lionel used eyelets on all their productions that I've seen. If you want to use the Gilbert trucks please send me an email seccia@.... As far as complaining to Lionel all you will get is Lip Service. There was an article in "O" Gauge Railroading mag the year that the new company bought Lionel from Kughn. I believe the corporation is Well Springs. One of the questions the editor of "O" Ga. RR asked the corporate rep was "Why did you buy Lionel" " Do you know anything about manufacturing model trains" These are not exact quotes His basic response was, we don't have to be experts in that field. We buy poplar trade names and



sell that product name. Lionel was the most popular name in Toy Trains and thats why we bought the company. You can take take that response and see what you and the others are going through regarding your American Flyer purchase.  They already got your money. They don't have to do anything. It is the same with the "O" Gauge. They have no repair stations to do warranty work. Do these trains have warranties? If these have warranties and these failures are included in the warranties, then you would have something to pursue. If thats the case they would most likely refund your money. That means you would not get the locomotive you wanted. If you make any adjustments or changes to the locomotive, they will most likely tell you that you caused the problem. Lets say they made a run of 1000 or 2000 Big Boys and they refund 100 locomotives.. Their still going to make money and they'll look at their bottom line. The only people

that make "S" Gauge



trains right are "S" Gaugers. American Models and Showcase Line SHS. They will always be there for you.



Tom Seccia



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From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM



Â



Friends,



I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.



I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.



Nick Kulp



***********



Mr. Ashba,



You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.



Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.



I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.



I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.



I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.



Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.



I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child... I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58393 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
Hi Steve,
There was a bunch of Northern locomotive chassis on ebay.  The seller's handle is Yorel.  I believe there are still some available. I think these were selling for $129 with the wheels.  Check it out if you get the chance.  I believe the seller's name is Roger Dolan.  Looks like he parted out his American Flyer collection.
� Tom Seccia


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From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts need
To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:53 PM







 









I have a 334DC of which the loco chassis is crumbling into dust. I have

already replaced the crumbled tender frame but need a chassis for the loco.

Just need the bare chassis, but one with wheels is OK too. The boiler and

tender shell are beautiful and this baby needs to get back on track. Any help

will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.....

Steve

SnS Trains

Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58394 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices
Hi Nick,

Sorry to hear of your problem. Lionel does warranty its products for 1
year. To exercise the warranty, one must either return the defective product
to your dealer or to Lionel directly. You will have to pay shipping to them
and they will cover the return shipping. Have your receipt handy, if you
still have it. This is a general industry practice. AM charges shipping both
ways, by the way.

Also, I do know Matt. I am sure he is sincerely concerned about your
problem. By the nature of his job, he is not in a position to repair or replace
your car. That is what the value added dealers and the Lionel repair system
headed up by Mike Reagan are for.

An important number for you and everyone who has a warranty problem is
1-586-949-4100. You can describe your problem and service will provide you
with an RA. Then, both you and Lionel can proceed from there, and you and your
god children can back to enjoying your car. I have had very good response
from Lionel service in every instance, when on occasion I have had to use it.


By the by, no other manufacture offers operating cars in S gauge. I own
Lionel-Flyer made over a time span of three decades and I have never had a
truck fall apart. One suspects something unusual is going on.

Hope this helps.

Bob Bubeck




In a message dated 1/11/2010 8:19:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I
will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they
buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual
warranty or customer service connected with your products.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58395 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/11/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Sounds more like an area for the TTOS to address.


--- On Mon, 1/11/10, The Laniers <hblanier@...> wrote:

From: The Laniers <hblanier@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:51 AM







 









Calling attention to quality control issues of current manufacturers of toy trains is "not" the purpose of the TCA. It is for promulgating the collection of tin plate trains. Under its current bylaws I believe, this would be a no no. In its quest for new membership over the last few years, the TCA has swelled its membership with hobbyist and operators who are not collectors and who have lost sight of the original goals of the organization. If the majority of members wish to address issues such as this, they need to update the bylaws to support such actions. The bylaws are being updated as we speak, but not, I believe, to address issues such as this.



paflyrman



From: michael prell

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:43 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item



Nick,

I'm a TCA member and I'll be glad to sign a petition to that affect! What's an organization like TCA for if not to call attention to this issue!

Mike Prell



Break out the Katanas, Folks!

The inmates are running the institution!



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From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:19 PM



Friends,



I have just had the final straw happen to a brand new Flyonel 934 operating box car. Below is an email, I have just sent Mike Ashba on this new developement. The car was not 4 months old. The truck that broke was the activator truck. I've sent 4 photos of the broken truck to Mr Ashba. The sad part is that my God children love to play with the action car. Now it is relegated to the scrap pile until I can fix it with an original truck from the REAL American Flyer.



I also believe that those of us that are members of TCA should start a formal complaint. Perhaps if TCA members learn that the major supplier of their "SPECIAL" cars will not stand behind their quality, they might look to another manufacturer for their fund raisers. It is a HUGE chunk of change that Lionel will lose out on.



Nick Kulp



***********

Mr. Ashba,



You might not remember my previous email from a few days ago about the problems with Lionel Quality Control. I have attached 4 photos of a BRAND NEW American Flyer 934 Erie operating box car from the accessory baggage loader made by Lionel. This piece was purchased in October at the York TCA meet in York, Pa. for my American Flyer layout.



Tonight, I was running a train with this car in the consist. suddenly, the car derailed on a straight piece of track. When I checked out the car, this is what I found. The side frame of the power-pickup truck sheared off at the attachment points, just like the MOW crane tender I told you about in my previous email.



I know you have been receiving emails from other unhappy American Flyer modelers recently. There is a lot of discussion going on in our S-Trains group. Most of the discussion revolves around this broken truck problem and Lionel's apparent lack of concern about the hundreds of cars that it is affecting.



I thought that perhaps, no one has taken the time to actually show you what the problem is. I feel that you should be given a reasonable chance to fix Lionel's problem with your quality control issue.



I would liketo have a replacement truck with the contact shoe sent to me without charge.Or, I would like a completely new 934 operating box car sent as a replacement. I do not live within 200 miles of a VAD, nor do I wish to send it to one at my expense. I know I can probably buy a replacement ORIGINAL car from a member of the TCA, and it will probably outlast the equipment you currently are selling but I wish to provide you with the opportunity to make it right with an unhappy customer.



Of course, you can ignore me. That is your option. If that does happen, I will make it my mission in life to tell anyone that will listen that they buy LIONEL / American Flyer NEW equipment at their peril. There is NO actual warranty or customer service connected with your products. I remember when a company tried to make sure their customers trusted the manufacturer so they would get repeat business. The internet and it's ability to spread information is a marvelous tool. This is not a threat. It is a promise.



I'm no rich collector, nor am I just another unhappy customer with an email address. I am just an American citizen that misses the honesty and honor attached to a company that used to mean the World's best. Perhaps a Lemon Law for your products might be required as this no longer appears to be an isolated incident. These pieces could be easily swallowed by a small child. I strongly suggest you look a little deeper into this problem. It won't go away.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58396 From: bphent Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: SceniKing photo backdrop kits
Hi Group;

Responding to many enquiries, our web site is now up-to-date with all the latest kits, and our catalogues ($5ea) are ready to ship.

Les Mavor
http://www.sceniking.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 58397 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Hi Nick,
� How did you like the LIP SERVICE?  Why would they sell the American Flyer line after all the money they're making.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:53 PM







 









Friends,



The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.



1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."



This means he has already trashed them.



2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."



It's not MY job to give a rip.



3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "



The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.



4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."



I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.



The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.



Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.



Regards,

Nick Kulp

>>>>>>

Nick,

Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or

trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to

the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you

encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue

and any replacement you seek.



Best regards,

Matt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58398 From: michael prell Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
So, what you're basically telling me is that, as a TCA member, I should not expect support when it comes to issues such as this? What does this tell us about the TCA National Standards Committee?


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: The Laniers <hblanier@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:01 PM


 



I don't like to spend my hard earned dollars on junk any more than the next guy. I just don't expect for an organization that was formed to promote a hobby (collecting trains) to become a consumer advocate organization. There are already non profit organizations in existence for that. If you think your dues are high now, imagine if you had to pay the lawyers and law firms that TCA would need for the inevitable lawsuits that would eventuate if the they were to take actions on behalf of its membership against the various manufacturers. One has to be realistic and not look for relief in the wrong places.

paflyrman




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58399 From: Bruce Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Al,

Exactly what I said a couple of days ago.

Bruce



From: albert paolozzi
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



I think the solution is quite simple....Just STOP BUYING LIONEL FLYER JUNK!!! Al Paolozzi Enjoying the old Gilbert flyer in the desert.
Support those that care about quality and will stand behind their product.... S Helper and American Models and the like.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:53 AM



Friends,



The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.



1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."



This means he has already trashed them.



2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."



It's not MY job to give a rip.



3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "



The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.



4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."



I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.

The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.



Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.



Regards,

Nick Kulp

>>>>>>

Nick,

Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or

trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to

the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you

encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue

and any replacement you seek.

Best regards,

Matt

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58400 From: Bruce Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: When I pay premium prices for an item
Michael,

Break out the katanas and the kumbayah tuning forks! Having been a member of TCA since 1981, I would expect the TCA to take the proper stand and call out companies that obviously exist only to turn a buck and ignore their consumer base. Lionel was a great American company at one time, but is no longer in the American consumer's corner. Now is the time for real leadership.

TCA? Where are you.

Bruce



From: michael prell
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item



So, what you're basically telling me is that, as a TCA member, I should not expect support when it comes to issues such as this? What does this tell us about the TCA National Standards Committee?


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, The Laniers <hblanier@...> wrote:

From: The Laniers <hblanier@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When I pay premium prices for an item
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:01 PM



I don't like to spend my hard earned dollars on junk any more than the next guy. I just don't expect for an organization that was formed to promote a hobby (collecting trains) to become a consumer advocate organization. There are already non profit organizations in existence for that. If you think your dues are high now, imagine if you had to pay the lawyers and law firms that TCA would need for the inevitable lawsuits that would eventuate if the they were to take actions on behalf of its membership against the various manufacturers. One has to be realistic and not look for relief in the wrong places.

paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58401 From: michael robinson Date: 1/12/2010
Subject:
i agree y guy junk when u can buy gilbert american fyer which is good and u have parts back up sounds good to me i have some flynel and the can have it back


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58402 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Michael,
� Plenty of the original American Flyer by A.C. Gilbert still around and you should consider the early American Flyer by Lionel 1979-1980-1981-1982 when General Mills were making the Flyer with knuckle coupler trucks similar to Gilberts.  Make sure you go to the American Models and Showcase Line websites and look at their product lines.  Lots of good stuff compatible with American Flyer.
Tom Seccia


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From: michael robinson <mickmick1958@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:09 AM







 









i agree y guy junk when u can buy gilbert american fyer which is good and u have parts back up sounds good to me i have some flynel and the can have it back



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58403 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: A message to our moderators
Please get hold of the Yahoo gang and get that damn "best computer scan" crap removed. I am tired of having to go through my computer after every visit here to remove that invader! It appears only when I leave the S Trains Yahoo Group, not when I get off any other. Obviously, we are currently the targeted Yahoo Group.
If you can't tell them to do it, or if they refuse, please let us know so that we can take appropriate action.
Thank you
Stumpy Stone, Martins Ferry, OH.

P.S. Jay, please don't bother to fill up my blocked sender area about this. Comcast is complaining.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58404 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
I stopped buying Lionel.

I was very disappointed in the remake of the CN reefer, as the picture they had looked just like the AF Original.

When it finally came, after 2 years of ordering or so, the gray body was a very shiny bright light silver.

And the wire wheel remake had no screw through the body to hold the Wire wheel down just like how AF had it. It would move and scratch the paint. I wrote to Lionel about this and I got some silly reply, which I can not remember. I took little pieces of mole skin and colored it black from a marker pen undid the wire and slipped it on the base. Came out pretty well in you not being able to see it.

Mike

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba




Al,

Exactly what I said a couple of days ago.

Bruce

From: albert paolozzi
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

I think the solution is quite simple....Just STOP BUYING LIONEL FLYER JUNK!!! Al Paolozzi Enjoying the old Gilbert flyer in the desert.
Support those that care about quality and will stand behind their product.... S Helper and American Models and the like.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:53 AM

Friends,

The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.

1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."

This means he has already trashed them.

2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."

It's not MY job to give a rip.

3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "

The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.

4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."

I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.

The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.

Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.

Regards,

Nick Kulp

>>>>>>

Nick,

Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or

trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to

the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you

encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue

and any replacement you seek.

Best regards,

Matt

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58405 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited Testimonial
Hello Folks,



I need to comment publicly about my experience with these backdrop kits.
They are excellent!



In my case, I combined them with some other brands and painted the sky
with the help of my grandson. You can see the results on my personal web
pages at: (http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_2.htm). I have some
detailed comments on those pages along with photos. Les is to be
commended for these delightful additions to our railroads.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bphent
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] SceniKing photo backdrop kits





Hi Group;

Responding to many enquiries, our web site is now up-to-date with all
the latest kits, and our catalogues ($5ea) are ready to ship.

Les Mavor
http://www.scenikin <http://www.sceniking.com> g.com



,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58406 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Any input on these? I'm kinda eye-balling the SP loco.
I need an SP loco!
I'm lookin' at the AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) - $399.95.
Here's a photo: 48407-Southern-Pacific.jpg
I need to start saving my pennies though.

Rick

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58407 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Speaking of CTT articles.....
.... I have many saved in a binder. If ever in need, check with me.
I can scan it (now that I re-loaded drivers today so my HP scanner would work with my Mac .... again!),
and e-mail it to you.

Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 58408 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Well .... I messed-up THAT link!
Try:
http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/4-8-4.phtml



On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Rick Evans wrote:

> Any input on these? I'm kinda eye-balling the SP loco.
> I need an SP loco!
> I'm lookin' at the AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) - $399.95.
> Here's a photo: 48407-Southern-Pacific.jpg
> I need to start saving my pennies though.
>
> Rick
>
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>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58409 From: clayton deich Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
Steve do you want to sell the old almost dust chassis?
 Clayton Oregon

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts need
To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 6:53 PM
















 









I have a 334DC of which the loco chassis is crumbling into dust. I have

already replaced the crumbled tender frame but need a chassis for the loco.

Just need the bare chassis, but one with wheels is OK too. The boiler and

tender shell are beautiful and this baby needs to get back on track. Any help

will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.....

Steve

SnS Trains

Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58410 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
The AM "Northern" is an excellent loco. It has a very powerful mnotor and
looks great. I have one (UP) running DCC with Dallee sound. It is much fun.

Steve


In a message dated 01/12/2010 2:23:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:




Any input on these? I'm kinda eye-balling the SP loco.
I need an SP loco!
I'm lookin' at the AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve
track) - $399.95.
Here's a photo: 48407-Southern-Here's a ph
I need to start saving my pennies though.

Rick

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58411 From: clayton deich Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
 Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame? This is also to any one who would know as well....

 Clayton Oregon

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:45 PM
















 









Hi Nick,

  How did you like the LIP SERVICE?  Why would they sell the American Flyer line after all the money they're making.

  Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:53 PM



 



Friends,



The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.



1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."



This means he has already trashed them.



2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."



It's not MY job to give a rip.



3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "



The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.



4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."



I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.



The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.



Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.



Regards,



Nick Kulp



>>>>>>



Nick,



Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or



trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to



the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you



encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue



and any replacement you seek.



Best regards,



Matt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58412 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Here's your chance
IF you are one of those people "LUCKY enough" to have had your room
reservations cancelled, altered, price doubled, or been "thrown out" of your
room during a "TCA York Week", "HOG week", ROD SHOW week, etc. HERE IS YOUR
CHANCE

WGAL TV , Channel 8, Lancaster PA would like to talk to you. 1-800-TIP
WGAL or 1-800-847-9425

They will want to know : hotel/motel name, date(s), specifics, etc.
.NEED FACTS----

This is due to a news story they featured tonight on the "York Co. Tourist
Bureau's" efforts to increase tourism (obviously dollars).

I spoke to one of the bureau members ( County Commissioner) on live radio
several years ago and he admitted that the bureau KNOWS it is happening.

I have NO involvement in the story ( I commute) beyond this. Contact
WGAL.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58413 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
What in the world would you do with it? The smoke piston crane is gone, one
of the rear motor mount tabs is gone and one of the "tits" that the field
magnet centers on is gone. In addition it does not belong to me but to a
customer. I'm sure he would "sell" it. I sure would if anyone wanted a piece
of junk real bad. It would work for a unit without smoke and with
electronic chuff sounds. Not much good for anything else.

Steve


In a message dated 01/12/2010 5:25:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
uvl97222@... writes:




Steve do you want to sell the old almost dust chassis?
Clayton Oregon

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<_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote:

From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@..._
(mailto:boss31@...) >
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts need
To: _nasgmembers@nasgmembers@nas_ (mailto:nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com) ,
_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 6:53 PM



I have a 334DC of which the loco chassis is crumbling into dust. I have

already replaced the crumbled tender frame but need a chassis for the
loco.

Just need the bare chassis, but one with wheels is OK too. The boiler and

tender shell are beautiful and this baby needs to get back on track. Any
help

will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.....

Steve

SnS Trains

Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58414 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Clayton,
 
The new trucks are cast with pressed metal frames. The side frames are way too big and actually scrape on switch frogs. The original cast American Flyer truck frames were much smaller and closer to scale.
 
The new ones break at the "pins" that connect them to the sheet metal.
 
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame? This is also to any one who would know as well....

 Clayton Oregon




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58415 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
 Thanks Nick, and I may have a cheep fix in mind for Lionel. I still need a photo to see one that is scrap. There is no glue, and it will not break apart after the fix is done. I have done this fix to the old AF iron side trucks, and it will not change the look or color of the truck.
 Clayton Oregon

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:35 PM
















 









Clayton,

 

The new trucks are cast with pressed metal frames. The side frames are way too big and actually scrape on switch frogs. The original cast American Flyer truck frames were much smaller and closer to scale.

 

The new ones break at the "pins" that connect them to the sheet metal.

 

Nick Kulp

 

>>>>>

Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame? This is also to any one who would know as well....



 Clayton Oregon



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58416 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: A message to our moderators
Hi Stumpy,
� Please email me seccia@....  I want to see if we're having the same problem.
Thank You,
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] A message to our moderators
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:43 AM







 









Please get hold of the Yahoo gang and get that damn "best computer scan" crap removed. I am tired of having to go through my computer after every visit here to remove that invader! It appears only when I leave the S Trains Yahoo Group, not when I get off any other. Obviously, we are currently the targeted Yahoo Group.

If you can't tell them to do it, or if they refuse, please let us know so that we can take appropriate action.

Thank you

Stumpy Stone, Martins Ferry, OH.



P.S. Jay, please don't bother to fill up my blocked sender area about this. Comcast is complaining.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58417 From: michael prell Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited Testimonial
Bill,
Those are really great examples of what can be done with imagination, a good eye and the courage to try! Very nice!


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited Testimonial
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:52 AM


 



Hello Folks,

I need to comment publicly about my experience with these backdrop kits.
They are excellent!

In my case, I combined them with some other brands and painted the sky
with the help of my grandson. You can see the results on my personal web
pages at: (http://wpporter. duckburg. us/zot2009_ 2.htm). I have some
detailed comments on those pages along with photos. Les is to be
commended for these delightful additions to our railroads.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On
Behalf Of bphent
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] SceniKing photo backdrop kits

Hi Group;

Responding to many enquiries, our web site is now up-to-date with all
the latest kits, and our catalogues ($5ea) are ready to ship.

Les Mavor
http://www.scenikin <http://www.scenikin g.com> g.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58418 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
 Steve I would use it as a templet only. I would like to try my hand at milling one out of Aluminum with new pressed brass bushing too. 
 Clayton  Oregon
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parts need
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:36 PM
















 









What in the world would you do with it? The smoke piston crane is gone, one

of the rear motor mount tabs is gone and one of the "tits" that the field

magnet centers on is gone. In addition it does not belong to me but to a

customer. I'm sure he would "sell" it. I sure would if anyone wanted a piece

of junk real bad. It would work for a unit without smoke and with

electronic chuff sounds. Not much good for anything else.



Steve





In a message dated 01/12/2010 5:25:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,

uvl97222@yahoo. com writes:



Steve do you want to sell the old almost dust chassis?

Clayton Oregon



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...)

<_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote:



From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_

(mailto:boss31@...) >

Subject: [S-Trains] Parts need

To: _nasgmembers@ nasgmembers@ nas_ (mailto:nasgmembers@ yahoogroups. com) ,

_S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com)

Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 6:53 PM



I have a 334DC of which the loco chassis is crumbling into dust. I have



already replaced the crumbled tender frame but need a chassis for the

loco.



Just need the bare chassis, but one with wheels is OK too. The boiler and



tender shell are beautiful and this baby needs to get back on track. Any

help



will be greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance.....



Steve



SnS Trains



Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58419 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Hi Clayton,
� Lionel has not put the A.C. Gilbert type knuckle trucks on their rolling stock for some time now.  The last time I sold Lionel AF, the trucks are actually "O" Scale pushed in to use on "S" Gauge track.  If you look at the journal boxes you can see the difference.  These trucks are wider that the cars.  These have ugly metal couplers riveted to the truck and the spring is between the coupler weight and the coupler.  The coupler uses a TC23 Lionel "O" Knuckle Coupler rivet.  Their core business is "O" Gauge.  "S" Gauge is a side line business to them.  Our voices are not loud enough.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:

From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:03 PM







 









Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame? This is also to any one who would know as well....



Clayton Oregon



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:45 PM







Hi Nick,



How did you like the LIP SERVICE? Why would they sell the American Flyer line after all the money they're making.



Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>



Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:53 PM



Â



Friends,



The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.



1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."



This means he has already trashed them.



2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."



It's not MY job to give a rip.



3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "



The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.



4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."



I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.



The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.



Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.



Regards,



Nick Kulp



>>>>>>



Nick,



Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or



trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to



the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you



encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue



and any replacement you seek.



Best regards,



Matt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58420 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Log Loader Question
Greetings! My question concerns the Gilbert 751, large diameter log loader. I can pick up the logs, but as the "wheel" moves to drop the log the string comes off the pulley and the "wheel" binds up. Is there a way to fix this or an adjustment I can make to restore operation? Thanks for your thoughts! Charlie in snow filled west Michigan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58421 From: michael robinson Date: 1/13/2010
Subject:
hi i just put some pics in to group photos hope u like them ,so u can see what i have here in melb australia


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58422 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Parts need
� Once one of the field inserts are broken on a steam locomotive, you must get a new or a good used chassis.  That applies to a Northern or any other steam loco chassis.  Steve is right the piece is junk.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:

From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parts need
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:39 AM







 









Steve I would use it as a templet only. I would like to try my hand at milling one out of Aluminum with new pressed brass bushing too.

Clayton Oregon

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:



From: boss31@... <boss31@...>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parts need

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:36 PM







What in the world would you do with it? The smoke piston crane is gone, one



of the rear motor mount tabs is gone and one of the "tits" that the field



magnet centers on is gone. In addition it does not belong to me but to a



customer. I'm sure he would "sell" it. I sure would if anyone wanted a piece



of junk real bad. It would work for a unit without smoke and with



electronic chuff sounds. Not much good for anything else.



Steve



In a message dated 01/12/2010 5:25:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,



uvl97222@yahoo. com writes:



Steve do you want to sell the old almost dust chassis?



Clayton Oregon



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...)



<_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote:



From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_



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Subject: [S-Trains] Parts need



To: _nasgmembers@ nasgmembers@ nas_ (mailto:nasgmembers @ yahoogroups. com) ,



_S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com)



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 6:53 PM



I have a 334DC of which the loco chassis is crumbling into dust. I have



already replaced the crumbled tender frame but need a chassis for the



loco.



Just need the bare chassis, but one with wheels is OK too. The boiler and



tender shell are beautiful and this baby needs to get back on track. Any



help



will be greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance.....



Steve



SnS Trains



Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58423 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
I see, and as of yet I have not picked up on of them to see this "O" style coupler. Lucky me...
 Clayton  Oregon

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 8:31 PM
















 









Hi Clayton,

  Lionel has not put the A.C. Gilbert type knuckle trucks on their rolling stock for some time now.  The last time I sold Lionel AF, the trucks are actually "O" Scale pushed in to use on "S" Gauge track.  If you look at the journal boxes you can see the difference.  These trucks are wider that the cars.  These have ugly metal couplers riveted to the truck and the spring is between the coupler weight and the coupler.  The coupler uses a TC23 Lionel "O" Knuckle Coupler rivet.  Their core business is "O" Gauge.  "S" Gauge is a side line business to them.  Our voices are not loud enough.

Tom Seccia



--- On Tue, 1/12/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:03 PM



 



Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame? This is also to any one who would know as well....



Clayton Oregon



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:45 PM



Hi Nick,



How did you like the LIP SERVICE? Why would they sell the American Flyer line after all the money they're making.



Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>



Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:53 PM



Â



Friends,



The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.



1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."



This means he has already trashed them.



2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."



It's not MY job to give a rip.



3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "



The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.



4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."



I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.



The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.



Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.



Regards,



Nick Kulp



>>>>>>



Nick,



Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or



trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to



the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you



encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue



and any replacement you seek.



Best regards,



Matt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58424 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: An apology to our Moderators
As you might recall, I have had ongoing trouble with that "best computer protection" thing coming up every time I got off S Trains. This problem was not happening when I got off any other Yahoo Group, so I logically suspected that something here was downloading from the Group.
Carl was quick to the rescue and gave me some information that worked! The problem was that my computer had been invaded by this Adware/Spyware from another sourcs and the java script at S Trains was triggering it. Sneaky bastards aren't they? I hope they rot in Hell with their eyes open!
And so, dear readers, I must apologise to both our Moderators and Yahoo for this event. Those of you who have also had this problem might also want to do a complete system scan for this little devil lurking in your computer.
I DO have a question that perhaps you more computer litterate folks might answer. Other Yahoo Groups I go to have java script, yet didn't set off this thing. Is there different types or levels of java that is the difference?
Either way, also I have sent out a message to my e-mail address book for people to strip all previous addresses from "forwards" and NOT send "chain e-mails" of any type as these are the most likely carriers of nasty invaders.
Again, sorry folks. And Carl: You da' man!
Stumpy Stone...in frozen Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58425 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Is Steve the only one to have one of these locos?????

Rick
On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Boss31@... wrote:

> The AM "Northern" is an excellent loco. It has a very powerful motor and
> looks great. I have one (UP) running DCC with Dallee sound. It is much fun.
>
> Steve
>
>
> In a message dated 01/12/2010 2:23:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> bassflyer@... writes:
>
> Any input on these? I'm kinda eye-balling the SP loco.
> I need an SP loco!
> I'm lookin' at the AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve
> track) - $399.95.
> Here's a photo: 48407-Southern-Here's a ph
> I need to start saving my pennies though.
>
> Rick
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58426 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re:
Hey Michael,



That is an impressive setup, with a very nice town and lots of train
action. Thanks for sharing and the inspiration, too.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael robinson
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:57 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:





hi i just put some pics in to group photos hope u like them ,so u can
see what i have here in melb australia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58427 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Hi Clayton,
I may have a couple of those trucks somewhere.  Let me see if I can get a picture to you.
Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:

From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:30 AM







 









I see, and as of yet I have not picked up on of them to see this "O" style coupler. Lucky me...

Clayton Oregon



--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 8:31 PM







Hi Clayton,



Lionel has not put the A.C. Gilbert type knuckle trucks on their rolling stock for some time now. The last time I sold Lionel AF, the trucks are actually "O" Scale pushed in to use on "S" Gauge track. If you look at the journal boxes you can see the difference. These trucks are wider that the cars. These have ugly metal couplers riveted to the truck and the spring is between the coupler weight and the coupler. The coupler uses a TC23 Lionel "O" Knuckle Coupler rivet. Their core business is "O" Gauge. "S" Gauge is a side line business to them. Our voices are not loud enough.



Tom Seccia



--- On Tue, 1/12/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:03 PM



Â



Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame? This is also to any one who would know as well....



Clayton Oregon



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:45 PM



Hi Nick,



How did you like the LIP SERVICE? Why would they sell the American Flyer line after all the money they're making.



Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>



Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:53 PM



Â



Friends,



The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.



1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."



This means he has already trashed them.



2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."



It's not MY job to give a rip.



3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "



The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.



4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."



I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.



The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.



Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.



Regards,



Nick Kulp



>>>>>>



Nick,



Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or



trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to



the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you



encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue



and any replacement you seek.



Best regards,



Matt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58428 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
I Have one too.

TMCC of course.

See it at: http://www.tuveson.com/amtmccnorthern/amtmccnorthern.htm
and: http://www.tuveson.com/am-northern/am-northern.htm

It is a great Loco.

Carl


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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Rick Evans
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM's 4-8-4 Northern



Is Steve the only one to have one of these locos?????

Rick
On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Boss31@... wrote:

> The AM "Northern" is an excellent loco. It has a very powerful motor and
> looks great. I have one (UP) running DCC with Dallee sound. It is much
fun.
>
> Steve
>
>
> In a message dated 01/12/2010 2:23:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> bassflyer@... writes:
>
> Any input on these? I'm kinda eye-balling the SP loco.
> I need an SP loco!
> I'm lookin' at the AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer
curve
> track) - $399.95.
> Here's a photo: 48407-Southern-Here's a ph
> I need to start saving my pennies though.
>
> Rick
>
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> Enjoy thousands of great photos
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58429 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited Testimonial
Thanks for the kind words, Michael. When I was starting this part of the
project, I looked for unbiased reviews of the SceniKing products. I
didn't find any. The only information available was either directly from
the business or an indirect and unattributed quote from their materials.
I thought I should step up to relate my experience with their stuff.
This is a manufacturer who is actively supporting our scale and they
deserve some credit.



Now, on a different note, what exactly are Katanas?



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael prell
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] SceniKing photo backdrop kits - Unsolicited
Testimonial





Bill,
Those are really great examples of what can be done with imagination, a
good eye and the courage to try! Very nice!


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58430 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
I also have on with sound and AC to run with my Flyer (gilbert) and it performs well.   Smokes great and happy with it.  Train fun in the desert!    Al

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:

From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM's 4-8-4 Northern
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 7:19 AM







 









Is Steve the only one to have one of these locos?????



Rick

On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Boss31@... wrote:



> The AM "Northern" is an excellent loco. It has a very powerful motor and

> looks great. I have one (UP) running DCC with Dallee sound. It is much fun.

>

> Steve

>

>

> In a message dated 01/12/2010 2:23:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> bassflyer@charter. net writes:

>

> Any input on these? I'm kinda eye-balling the SP loco.

> I need an SP loco!

> I'm lookin' at the AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve

> track) - $399.95.

> Here's a photo: 48407-Southern- Here's a ph

> I need to start saving my pennies though.

>

> Rick

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58431 From: sgaugian Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
I have one in ATSF. I converted it to TMCC with sounds. Works great. Good puller - - completely geared together drivers, so strong as an ox. Smokes well too. Got a video of it on youtube. Search for vids by Senthusiast. Can't access it to provide a link at the moment.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58432 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Thanks Clayton,
 
I was able to scrounge a REAL American Flyer actuator truck from a broken car. Taking the "new" car apart was not too bad but the new mounting system Lionel uses for their equipment is different. I now need the short rivet to install the truck again. The "new" mount is not compatible with the older trucks. The new mount involves a brass tube that acts as a "bearing surface" for the threaded pin that is used as the kingpin for the truck.
 
The truck sideframe is way oversized and they actually short out as they cross switches. My baggage boxcar would "throw" out boxes whenever it crossed a switch. I had to run the car empty otherwise I had boxes tossed onto the oposing mainline and ugly things would happen.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Thanks Nick, and I may have a cheep fix in mind for Lionel. I still need a photo to see one that is scrap. There is no glue, and it will not break apart after the fix is done. I have done this fix to the old AF iron side trucks, and it will not change the look or color of the truck.
 Clayton Oregon
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58433 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Mike Reagan at Lionel CARES
Friends,
 
I have just been in contact with Mike Reagan at Lionel. He initiated contact with m (probably because I have a big mouth) From our brief email conversation, I believe he is truly concerned about Lionel's Quality Control issues and their Customer Service Department.
 
As I have taken the time to openly criticize the short-comings on these groups, I also feel when someone opens a dialog to show a real interest, I need to point that out as well.
 
Since I have already started the repair process on my own, I willingly acknowledge that I have voided any warranty I might have had on my 934 boxcar. I made that choice.
 
I hope those of you that have had similar problems will contact Mike off-list as well. He is monitoring the list but personal emails to alert him of problems with their products is appropriate. I do not have another source for customer service at Lionel but his email address is MREAGAN@...
 
He might not have time to respond immediately but from my initial impression, he is trying to move Lionel customer service in the right direction. I'm willing to think positively based on his replies to my emails and statements. It appears that Lionel has the right man for the job in his position. NO, I did not get any special treatment or compensation for my involvement, nor do I expect any. I just want future buyers of American Flyer to have the same fun I have had for over 55 years.
 
Nuff' said
 
Respectfully,
Nick Kulp




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58434 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Hi Nick,
� The original short rivet from A.C. Gilbert was PA9381.  If you have a insulated truck on the other side you will need PA10235 or PA10235A with PA10209 Fiber Bushing.  This would be the same set up as A.C. Gilbert used on their actions cars.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:19 PM







 









Thanks Clayton,



I was able to scrounge a REAL American Flyer actuator truck from a broken car. Taking the "new" car apart was not too bad but the new mounting system Lionel uses for their equipment is different. I now need the short rivet to install the truck again. The "new" mount is not compatible with the older trucks. The new mount involves a brass tube that acts as a "bearing surface" for the threaded pin that is used as the kingpin for the truck.



The truck sideframe is way oversized and they actually short out as they cross switches. My baggage boxcar would "throw" out boxes whenever it crossed a switch. I had to run the car empty otherwise I had boxes tossed onto the oposing mainline and ugly things would happen.



Regards,

Nick Kulp



>>>>>

Thanks Nick, and I may have a cheep fix in mind for Lionel. I still need a photo to see one that is scrap. There is no glue, and it will not break apart after the fix is done. I have done this fix to the old AF iron side trucks, and it will not change the look or color of the truck.

Clayton Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58435 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Lionel Email
It appears to me that Lionel has their email set up like most large companies. The syntax is: initial of the person's first name, followed by the last name followed by @.... So if someone wants to try reaching someone else at Lionel, try this syntax. If it works you're in business. If not you will get an undeliverable mail reply.

Just a thought.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58436 From: michael robinson Date: 1/13/2010
Subject:
hi well thats what this group is all about to share info ,i was in a  lamp club and some did not wont the fall of the club need to say more . to share info is great we dont know all even if we think we do so iam happy to share what i know and pics ,i have looked at lots to see what how i can make dif , its shareing and thats great ur in the usa and iam in australia and the net is great to do this . no harm in asking at all i do ask ? as i dont know all


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58437 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Thanks Tom,
 
I have only replaced the one truck. The other one is still intact with the original insulating washer in place. Do you have any to spare or for sale?
 
Thanks,
Nick
 
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Hi Nick,
  The original short rivet from A.C. Gilbert was PA9381.  If you have a insulated truck on the other side you will need PA10235 or PA10235A with PA10209 Fiber Bushing.  This would be the same set up as A.C. Gilbert used on their actions cars.
  Tom Seccia
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58438 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Canadian Train Coin
http://www.talismancoins.com/servlet/Detail?no=986

I developed a nice friendship, as well with many, from the TCA list and S List, as I exchanged gifts with a train friend in Canada.

he sent me this wonderful Canadian Fifty cent piece that has been modified by the Royal Canadian Mint with a 3D color image of a toy train under a Christmas tree. It is a wonderful piece that I will cherish for a long time.

I just wanted to show you the coin, as if you click on the picture on the website it will be bigger to see the detail.

Also, they do have a piece of paper inside taking about Christmas trees and toy trains on how it might of began. This is also mention on the website but not in full detail like they have it on the webpage.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58439 From: clayton deich Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Thanks Tom!!

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 7:51 AM
















 









Hi Clayton,

I may have a couple of those trucks somewhere.  Let me see if I can get a picture to you.

Tom Seccia



--- On Wed, 1/13/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:30 AM



 



I see, and as of yet I have not picked up on of them to see this "O" style coupler. Lucky me...



Clayton Oregon



--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 8:31 PM



Hi Clayton,



Lionel has not put the A.C. Gilbert type knuckle trucks on their rolling stock for some time now. The last time I sold Lionel AF, the trucks are actually "O" Scale pushed in to use on "S" Gauge track. If you look at the journal boxes you can see the difference. These trucks are wider that the cars. These have ugly metal couplers riveted to the truck and the spring is between the coupler weight and the coupler. The coupler uses a TC23 Lionel "O" Knuckle Coupler rivet. Their core business is "O" Gauge. "S" Gauge is a side line business to them. Our voices are not loud enough.



Tom Seccia



--- On Tue, 1/12/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:03 PM



Â



Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame? This is also to any one who would know as well....



Clayton Oregon



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 7:45 PM



Hi Nick,



How did you like the LIP SERVICE? Why would they sell the American Flyer line after all the money they're making.



Tom Seccia



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From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>



Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:53 PM



Â



Friends,



The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.



1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."



This means he has already trashed them.



2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."



It's not MY job to give a rip.



3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "



The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.



4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."



I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.



The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.



Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.



Regards,



Nick Kulp



>>>>>>



Nick,



Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or



trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to



the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you



encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue



and any replacement you seek.



Best regards,



Matt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58440 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Hi Nick,
I have the correct A.C. Gilbert truck XA12A050 with repro copper wheels.  This truck would have a small hole, the same as the XA12A057 Action Car truck.  If you replace the Lionel truck both trucks would look the same.  If you need the truck and the rivets etc, please email me seccia@....
� Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:35 PM







 









Thanks Tom,



I have only replaced the one truck. The other one is still intact with the original insulating washer in place. Do you have any to spare or for sale?



Thanks,

Nick



>>>>>

Hi Nick,

The original short rivet from A.C. Gilbert was PA9381. If you have a insulated truck on the other side you will need PA10235 or PA10235A with PA10209 Fiber Bushing. This would be the same set up as A.C. Gilbert used on their actions cars.

Tom Seccia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58441 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Southland's mystery monster train
Hi All,

In the L.A. Times on Wednesday was an article titled "Southland's mystery
monster train".

Seems Union Pacific was running a test train from Texas to the port of Long
Beach in Southrn California. The train was 18,061 feet long ( 3.42 miles)
and consisted of: nine locomotives moving 296 rail cars which carried more
than 600 cargo containers (mostly double stacked). There were three
locomotives in front followed by more than a mile of freight cars, two more
locomotives, another mile of freight cars, two more locomotives, another
mile of freight cars, and then two more locomotives at the rear. The traiin
was permitted to travel at speeds up to 66 mph as it crossed the Southland
and took from about 3 to 5 minutes to clear grade crossiings.

As they say on the Myth Busters TV show, "Don't try this at home."

Jerry Feldman



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58442 From: Bruce Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
As long as production continues outside of the U.S. without regard for quality, and Lionel continues to turn a buck from collectors and operators thinking that they will get a quality product because of the "Lionel" name, then they will continue to market an inferior product. Only when demand finally dries up will they quit producing an inferior product. More likely, they will suspend production altogether. With the "quality" that they currently produce, that would probably be a good thing.

Bruce



From: Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:36 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



I stopped buying Lionel.

I was very disappointed in the remake of the CN reefer, as the picture they had looked just like the AF Original.

When it finally came, after 2 years of ordering or so, the gray body was a very shiny bright light silver.

And the wire wheel remake had no screw through the body to hold the Wire wheel down just like how AF had it. It would move and scratch the paint. I wrote to Lionel about this and I got some silly reply, which I can not remember. I took little pieces of mole skin and colored it black from a marker pen undid the wire and slipped it on the base. Came out pretty well in you not being able to see it.

Mike

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

Al,

Exactly what I said a couple of days ago.

Bruce

From: albert paolozzi
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

I think the solution is quite simple....Just STOP BUYING LIONEL FLYER JUNK!!! Al Paolozzi Enjoying the old Gilbert flyer in the desert.
Support those that care about quality and will stand behind their product.... S Helper and American Models and the like.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:53 AM

Friends,

The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.

1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."

This means he has already trashed them.

2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."

It's not MY job to give a rip.

3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "

The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.

4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."

I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.

The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.

Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.

Regards,

Nick Kulp

>>>>>>

Nick,

Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or

trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to

the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you

encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue

and any replacement you seek.

Best regards,

Matt

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58443 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: [Fwd: The Gilbert HO Index]
About a month ago, I posted a notice about the Gilbert HO Index, a
website that started out to be a catalog reference with links to Chuck
Harrington's MyFlyerTrains.org catalog images. Since that time, it has
turned into much more. If you haven't looked at it lately, it might be
interesting for you to do so. I have added pages covering all
accessories, track, and power equipment, as well as the rolling stock,
with which the website was launched. The most important addition,
however, was made possible by another member of this group, Daryl
Olszeski, who provided excellent pictures of his extensive HO
collection, which now further illustrate the items covered. I also
have photos by another member, and welcome additions by others, even if
we already have a photo of the item in question. Different views and
items can provide new information.

Daryl and I have also started a Yahoo group devoted solely to discussion
of Gilbert HO trains. While I know the topic is not off limits here, I
also know that it is not a primary interest of many of the members.
Therefore, if there are any of you out there who are interested in
talking about Gilbert HO, Daryl and I invite you to join the
Gilberthotrains Yahoo group. Just go to http://gilbertho.org and click
on the link at the left of the page. There is another Gilbert HO group
on Yahoo, but it has been abandoned by its owner and has become a jungle
of spam messages. Any of you who are members of that group(and have
probably gotten disgusted with it) might want to switch to our group.

Daryl and I are basically S gauge guys first and foremost, so we will
still be participating in this list. We just got fascinated with the
little trains so closely linked to their big brothers in S. Sometimes
the HO followed the S line, but it went the other way too, as the 0-6-0
Pennsy switcher was first made in HO in 1949, some 8 years before its
appearance as an S gauge item. In any case, their history as products
lines is intertwined.

Dale Smith
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58444 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Don't think it matters where it is made - Chinese can build space rockets as you know, and now supply quality scientific equipment and General Motors is still a US product and have turned out disgusting rubbish, quality and design wise. Harley Davidson have their alloy wheels made down here in South Australia because they couldn't match the quality in the US. It's a matter of what is specified and accepted by Lionel. I am sure the US toy train manufacturers could come up to scratch but like I say that's not the root problem. You only gets what you pays for. Alistair
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From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba




As long as production continues outside of the U.S. without regard for quality, and Lionel continues to turn a buck from collectors and operators thinking that they will get a quality product because of the "Lionel" name, then they will continue to market an inferior product. Only when demand finally dries up will they quit producing an inferior product. More likely, they will suspend production altogether. With the "quality" that they currently produce, that would probably be a good thing.

Bruce

From: Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:36 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

I stopped buying Lionel.

I was very disappointed in the remake of the CN reefer, as the picture they had looked just like the AF Original.

When it finally came, after 2 years of ordering or so, the gray body was a very shiny bright light silver.

And the wire wheel remake had no screw through the body to hold the Wire wheel down just like how AF had it. It would move and scratch the paint. I wrote to Lionel about this and I got some silly reply, which I can not remember. I took little pieces of mole skin and colored it black from a marker pen undid the wire and slipped it on the base. Came out pretty well in you not being able to see it.

Mike

Mike
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From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

Al,

Exactly what I said a couple of days ago.

Bruce

From: albert paolozzi
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

I think the solution is quite simple....Just STOP BUYING LIONEL FLYER JUNK!!! Al Paolozzi Enjoying the old Gilbert flyer in the desert.
Support those that care about quality and will stand behind their product.... S Helper and American Models and the like.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:53 AM

Friends,

The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.

1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."

This means he has already trashed them.

2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."

It's not MY job to give a rip.

3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "

The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.

4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."

I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.

The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.

Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.

Regards,

Nick Kulp

>>>>>>

Nick,

Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or

trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to

the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you

encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue

and any replacement you seek.

Best regards,

Matt

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58445 From: pdwoods70 Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Reversing Loop
Can anyone advise where to look for info regarding proper wiring of a reversing loop.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58446 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
THanks for the responses. I'm saving my pennies!
Hmmmm ...... what can I sell?

Rick

>
> Subject: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
>
> Any input on these? I'm kinda eye-balling the SP loco.
> I need an SP loco!
> I'm lookin' at the AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) - $399.95.
> Here's a photo: 48407-Southern-Pacific.jpg
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58447 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Canadian Toy Train Coin--CAREFUL
The Toy Train coin mentioned is a complete disappointment. If you check it out on the Canadian Web Site It appears as vibrant and sharply colored. When you receive the coin you will find that it is QUITE DULL. It is a lenticular coin so it has movement to it.

jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58448 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
I think I know what you want to do , but there is not enough metal to drill
a hole to put a screw in I tried it . Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba


Thanks Nick, and I may have a cheep fix in mind for Lionel. I still need a
photo to see one that is scrap. There is no glue, and it will not break
apart after the fix is done. I have done this fix to the old AF iron side
trucks, and it will not change the look or color of the truck.
Clayton Oregon

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:35 PM


























Clayton,



The new trucks are cast with pressed metal frames. The side frames are way
too big and actually scrape on switch frogs. The original cast American
Flyer truck frames were much smaller and closer to scale.



The new ones break at the "pins" that connect them to the sheet metal.



Nick Kulp



>>>>>

Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a
part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame?
This is also to any one who would know as well....



Clayton Oregon



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58449 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
I have the "Brakeman car beside the "puter, will look at it after dinner.
Are we not losing the point of this, IF, we fix this crap ourselves, LIONEL
skates all the way to the bank.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/14/2010 3:32:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ronnat@... writes:

I think I know what you want to do , but there is not enough metal to drill
a hole to put a screw in I tried it . Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba


Thanks Nick, and I may have a cheep fix in mind for Lionel. I still need a
photo to see one that is scrap. There is no glue, and it will not break
apart after the fix is done. I have done this fix to the old AF iron side
trucks, and it will not change the look or color of the truck.
Clayton Oregon

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:35 PM


























Clayton,



The new trucks are cast with pressed metal frames. The side frames are way
too big and actually scrape on switch frogs. The original cast American
Flyer truck frames were much smaller and closer to scale.



The new ones break at the "pins" that connect them to the sheet metal.



Nick Kulp



>>>>>

Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a
part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame?
This is also to any one who would know as well....



Clayton Oregon



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58450 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
Hello PD,



Are you running your trains with AC, DC, DCC or something else?



It turns out the answer makes a difference even though the general
principle is the same. You need to isolate the reversing section both
rails at both ends and have some device to switch the connection
polarity once a train has completely entered that section and no part of
it has yet left that section. If all of your trailing cars ALWAYS have
plastic wheels, you can allow them to hang out from the section. Then,
once the train is in the section, activate the device. DCC makers have
this sort of gadget already to buy and to operate automatically.



For AC and DCC, you just need to me sure that the DPDT switch is thrown
so that the polarity of the rails in the section matches the polarity of
the rails onto which the train will cross. The trains fully enters and
you then throw the switch. The train will continue and will still be
happy when it leaves.



In my case, I have used DC. It is a little more complicated with DC,
since I also need to change the direction of the rails on the rest of
the layout. That means I have needed a DPDT switch for the reversing
section and one for the rest of the track. Both of these switches are
separate from the power pack. The job can be done with one switch, but,
that does not make for smooth operation.



It makes sense to install a few indicator lamps the show Green when the
rails at the entry end of the section match and red when they don't
match. Put another indicator at the exit of the section. You don't need
to do that, but, it is pretty cool and the indicators can be placed
trackside to add some visual fun.



The DPDT switches are wired as normal, polarity reversing switches
regardless of AC, DC or DCC. I have no experience with TMCC, but, I
would expect the AC principles to apply.



The wiring is simple. There should be a picture of a reversing DPDT
switch already drawn by lots of folks out there somewhere.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of pdwoods70
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:03 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Reversing Loop





Can anyone advise where to look for info regarding proper wiring of a
reversing loop.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58451 From: Bruce Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Alistair,

That is exactly what I said in my first sentence. "As long as production continues outside of the U.S. without regard for quality.....", meaning Lionel's lack of quality control.

Bruce



From: Alistair McAllister
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:16 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba



Don't think it matters where it is made - Chinese can build space rockets as you know, and now supply quality scientific equipment and General Motors is still a US product and have turned out disgusting rubbish, quality and design wise. Harley Davidson have their alloy wheels made down here in South Australia because they couldn't match the quality in the US. It's a matter of what is specified and accepted by Lionel. I am sure the US toy train manufacturers could come up to scratch but like I say that's not the root problem. You only gets what you pays for. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

As long as production continues outside of the U.S. without regard for quality, and Lionel continues to turn a buck from collectors and operators thinking that they will get a quality product because of the "Lionel" name, then they will continue to market an inferior product. Only when demand finally dries up will they quit producing an inferior product. More likely, they will suspend production altogether. With the "quality" that they currently produce, that would probably be a good thing.

Bruce

From: Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:36 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

I stopped buying Lionel.

I was very disappointed in the remake of the CN reefer, as the picture they had looked just like the AF Original.

When it finally came, after 2 years of ordering or so, the gray body was a very shiny bright light silver.

And the wire wheel remake had no screw through the body to hold the Wire wheel down just like how AF had it. It would move and scratch the paint. I wrote to Lionel about this and I got some silly reply, which I can not remember. I took little pieces of mole skin and colored it black from a marker pen undid the wire and slipped it on the base. Came out pretty well in you not being able to see it.

Mike

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

Al,

Exactly what I said a couple of days ago.

Bruce

From: albert paolozzi
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

I think the solution is quite simple....Just STOP BUYING LIONEL FLYER JUNK!!! Al Paolozzi Enjoying the old Gilbert flyer in the desert.
Support those that care about quality and will stand behind their product.... S Helper and American Models and the like.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:53 AM

Friends,

The email response below is from Mike Ashba. It is very reminiscent of the responses one gets from their elected officials when they are asked about a widespread problem in their district. Since I spent 30 years working as a civilian employee for the Navy, I understand all of the double-speak used in responses to problems. I will attempt to explain each one.

1. "Thanks for sending these pictures."

This means he has already trashed them.

2. "I personally cannot send cars or trucks out to resolve issues."

It's not MY job to give a rip.

3. "Again, I will forward this information to the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you encountered. "

The reason I did not provide you with any information as to who the "engineers" are, is that I haven't got a clue as to who they are, or where they might be.

4. "Please work through customer service regarding this issue and any replacement you seek."

I have now blocked your email address and will no longer respond.

The obvious bottom line is that Lionel doesn't give a rat's A** about their customers, especially a small niche group like American Flyer modelers. That fact is obvious at the York, Pa TCA meet when Lionel sets up their HUGE display. There are two tiny loops of Flyer track at each end and RARELY is there anything actually running on them.

Perhaps Lionel should sell off the AF line. It could be no worse off.

Regards,

Nick Kulp

>>>>>>

Nick,

Thanks for sending these pictures. I personally cannot send cars or

trucks out to resolve issues. Again, I will forward this information to

the engineers and make sure they are clear of the problem you

encountered. Please work through customer service regarding this issue

and any replacement you seek.

Best regards,

Matt

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58452 From: Bob Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Subscription Renewals
First: Happy (belated) New Year to all. 2010 got off to a real busy start, with articles and photos and a good number of subscription renewals coming in. Thanks to all of you.

To all with a subscription that expires with the Winter, 2010 issue (Volume 11, Number 1): If you received a renewal notice and you subscribed online via PayPal, please do not send in a check. Your subscription will renew automatically.

I typically send out two renewal notices. The first is with the next-to-last issue before expiration and the second with the last issue of the subscription. Online subscribers are set up as auto-recurring to help keep administrative costs down and shouldn't receive renewal notices. Unfortunately, the person who was helping me get the last issue out included them with the online subscribers, and I neglected to tell him about the policy (that's right, it's all my fault, not his). I regret any inconvenience.

Meanwhile, the Winter issue is coming together. If you let your subscription lapse, re-subscribe today. If your subscription is up, renew as soon as possible. We are really beginning to roll and want you onboard! As always, I'm happy to answer any questions you have regarding your subscription.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 58453 From: Dave Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: AF- #985 B&M Decals
We are now offering a set of decals that include all of the text and heralds for the AF #985, #24043, #24056 and #24059. All of these are in the one set.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58454 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Check out this You Tube video to see an AM Northern pull 143 S helper cars. Also shown is an original Gilbert Northern with an SnS can motor and a Flyonel Northern both pulling the same 143 cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u60ywY9x36k&feature=PlayList&p=F82CDD5CD0E7486E&index=0

Mark Anderman


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58455 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
143? That's nuts! Very cool video.
I'll be watching it a few times I'm sure!
Thanks for posting!

Rick in Calif.


On Jan 14, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Manderman@... wrote:

> Check out this You Tube video to see an AM Northern pull 143 S helper cars. Also shown is an original Gilbert Northern with an SnS can motor and a Flyonel Northern both pulling the same 143 cars.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u60ywY9x36k&feature=PlayList&p=F82CDD5CD0E7486E&index=0
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58456 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
Hi PD,
                   If you have a K-Line book, page 329 & 330 Instructions for 695 Reverse Loop Relay, page 331 Reverse Loop with DPDT Swotch, and page 332.  A 695 Reverse Loop Relay makes is a lot easier if you have one.
                                                     Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, pdwoods70 <pdwoods70@...> wrote:

From: pdwoods70 <pdwoods70@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Reversing Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 12:02 PM







 









Can anyone advise where to look for info regarding proper wiring of a reversing loop.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58457 From: michael prell Date: 1/14/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
Jim,
I've come to the conclusion that sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet and move on.
Once burned, twice learned.
Sorry, but sometimes that's the way it is,
Mike-philo-s ophy-s-ing from S-yracuse-Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 4:32 PM


 



I have the "Brakeman car beside the "puter, will look at it after dinner.
Are we not losing the point of this, IF, we fix this crap ourselves, LIONEL
skates all the way to the bank.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/14/2010 3:32:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ronnat@cros. net writes:

I think I know what you want to do , but there is not enough metal to drill
a hole to put a screw in I tried it . Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba

Thanks Nick, and I may have a cheep fix in mind for Lionel. I still need a
photo to see one that is scrap. There is no glue, and it will not break
apart after the fix is done. I have done this fix to the old AF iron side
trucks, and it will not change the look or color of the truck.
Clayton Oregon

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Response from Mike Ashba
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:35 PM

Clayton,

The new trucks are cast with pressed metal frames. The side frames are way
too big and actually scrape on switch frogs. The original cast American
Flyer truck frames were much smaller and closer to scale.

The new ones break at the "pins" that connect them to the sheet metal.

Nick Kulp

>>>>>

Tom has any one posted a photo of the bad truck, and one that has come a
part? Are they on the old style cast iron sides with pressed steel frame?
This is also to any one who would know as well....

Clayton Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58458 From: Herbert Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
If you go to the trainweb.org and do a website google search for
"reverse loop" you will find reference to an automatic reverse loop system as the first entry.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
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> Hi PD,
>                    If you have a K-Line book, page 329 & 330 Instructions for 695 Reverse Loop Relay, page 331 Reverse Loop with DPDT Swotch, and page 332.  A 695 Reverse Loop Relay makes is a lot easier if you have one.
>                                                      Tom Seccia
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58459 From: alguckes2001 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Quality
Quality is a function of management. When Detroit was making poor quality cars and the blame was placed on U.S. workers Toyota was making top quality cars in the U.S.. Certainly unions had some negative impact in Detroit, but management was ultimately responsible. Good quality goods can be manufactured in many countries if management demands top quality. And incidentally, Detroit and especially GM and Ford, have been making excellent quality cars and trucks for several years. However, as Lionel (related to American Flyer) may find out once you get a reputation for poor quality (as GM deserved in the 70's and 80's) it is very difficult to recover.

Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 58460 From: pdwoods70 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Reversing Loop
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pdwoods70" <pdwoods70@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone advise where to look for info regarding proper wiring of a reversing loop.
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The track is two rail alternating current........thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 58461 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
magazine.

Don
Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
Plus, good news from Faller


A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.

Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
million) in earnings from April-December 2009.

An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.

Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
purchasing the company.

Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
slated to release 400 new products this year.

In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
company's reorganization plan as presented.

Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
($725,000) in the firm.

Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
under this plan.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58462 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
If that happens  Marklin will probably go right down the toilet like American Flyer. Wonder if MTH would buy Flyer?

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:


From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 8:04 AM


 



Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
magazine.

Don
Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
Plus, good news from Faller

A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.

Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
million) in earnings from April-December 2009.

An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.

Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
purchasing the company.

Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
slated to release 400 new products this year.

In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
company's reorganization plan as presented.

Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
($725,000) in the firm.

Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
under this plan.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58463 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Don,

Did Marklin buy up LGB when it went under? I heard this several years ago but never could confirm it as there are no LGB dealers left in this area.

Sam W

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...



Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
magazine.

Don
Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
Plus, good news from Faller

A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.

Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
million) in earnings from April-December 2009.

An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.

Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
purchasing the company.

Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
slated to release 400 new products this year.

In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
company's reorganization plan as presented.

Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
($725,000) in the firm.

Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
under this plan.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58464 From: michael prell Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Wouldn't THAT be nice!
MP


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:


From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 11:08 AM


 



If that happens  Marklin will probably go right down the toilet like American Flyer. Wonder if MTH would buy Flyer?

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com> wrote:

From: Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 8:04 AM

 

Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
magazine.

Don
Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
Plus, good news from Faller

A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.

Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
million) in earnings from April-December 2009.

An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.

Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
purchasing the company.

Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
slated to release 400 new products this year.

In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
company's reorganization plan as presented.

Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
($725,000) in the firm.

Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
under this plan.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58465 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Response from Mike Ashba
Jim,
 
I posted a message a couple days ago about Mike. He contacted ME after following the thread on the list. He is usually at York and should be there in April. From our emails, he sounds like he is trying to solve the problem. That is why he was brought in. No offers of replacement or such were discussed. I want to look him in the eye and show him the actual broken pieces. Perhaps if enough of us actually made personal contact with broken or defective items, a better picture might be presented. For those "investor/collectors" that never open the box, it is not an issue because they will never know.
 
It is up to those of us that actually use the products to take it to Lionel..
 
Anyone else want to bring some broken item to York and meet with Mike ? Maybe we could get a chance to do a face-to-face with the guy on point.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
SUPPOSEDLY, Mike REAGAN, of LIONEL has been advised of this issue.   Mike
was lured away from Train America Studios, of which he was either principal 
or primary owner, to straighten out the Customer Service concerns at 
LIONEL.    Haven't heard from him, either.
Jim Lyle
>>>>>
 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58466 From: sgaugian Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Big Boy pilot mounted radiators
Does anyone know where to buy S scale radiators for the Big Boy that are open between each pass of tubing like the real deal (also used by UP in latter stages on Challengers)? The solid ones don't look right. I'm tempted to cut material out, but wondered if such detail parts are available first.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58467 From: mike Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: great place to buy s-helper
hi everyone. i recently purchased some shelper rolling stock from http://www.blueridgehobbies.com/index.htm
I paid 224 with shipping for 5 cars inculding a caboose, 2 reefers, 2 box cars. which would have been 287 from the shelper website. the only problem was that i had to wait about a month to get them but it was well worth the savings!
Mike J.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58468 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Response from Mike Ashba
SUPPOSEDLY, Mike REAGAN, of LIONEL has been advised of this issue. Mike
was lured away from Train America Studios, of which he was either principal
or primary owner, to straighten out the Customer Service concerns at
LIONEL. Haven't heard from him, either.
Jim Lyle

In a message dated 1/15/2010 1:54:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlprell@... writes:

Jim,
I've come to the conclusion that sometimes you've just got to bite the
bullet and move on.
Once burned, twice learned.
Sorry, but sometimes that's the way it is,
Mike-philo-s ophy-s-ing from S-yracuse-Prell



Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58469 From: sgaugian Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Box car stirrup steps - metal
Does anyone know where to buy metal S scale box car stirrup steps? I bought some double-herald PFE reefers from Des Plaines Hobbies. I really like the way they look and roll, especially behind my Big Boy, but the step under the doors in the middle is plastic. One misplaced finger or thumb when picking up one of these cars and squash or snap go those tiny delicate plastic stirrups. I would like to replace them with metal steps instead - - like my S-Helper cars have (smart move Don and Robin, thank you). Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 58470 From: The Laniers Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Box car stirrup steps - metal
Ye Olde Huff N Puff has brass sets. www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com

paflyrman


From: sgaugian
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Box car stirrup steps - metal



Does anyone know where to buy metal S scale box car stirrup steps? I bought some double-herald PFE reefers from Des Plaines Hobbies. I really like the way they look and roll, especially behind my Big Boy, but the step under the doors in the middle is plastic. One misplaced finger or thumb when picking up one of these cars and squash or snap go those tiny delicate plastic stirrups. I would like to replace them with metal steps instead - - like my S-Helper cars have (smart move Don and Robin, thank you). Thanks





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58471 From: Herbert Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Yes, Marklin took them over in 2007. They are supposed to be finalizing a deal to market in the USA again.
Regarding Lionel selling Flyer. Won't happen. They don't want to wind up competing against themselves.
I remember in the 1970's, the then Lionel ownership hemmed and hawed about resuming production. Harry Gordon an AF parts dealer in New Haven (some oldtimers may remember him) wanted to buy the line, but he told me that they just strung him along, until they resumed production in 1979. They then milked the collectors until Ron Bashista and Don Thompson revived and revitalized the gauge. Only then did Lionel start to aggressively promote Flyer.
More than a few people placed Lionel amongst the "pioneers"
in the new S gauge. I took a lot of flack for my contrary views.
I resigned my membership on this board for a while, but like the prodigal son returned.
Herb Wasserman


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON" <seaboard2@...> wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Did Marklin buy up LGB when it went under? I heard this several years ago but never could confirm it as there are no LGB dealers left in this area.
>
> Sam W
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
>
>
>
> Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
> magazine.
>
> Don
> Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
> Plus, good news from Faller
>
> A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
> interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
> Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.
>
> Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
> German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
> million) in earnings from April-December 2009.
>
> An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
> figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
> 2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.
>
> Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
> manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
> Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
> purchasing the company.
>
> Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
> February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
> 2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
> slated to release 400 new products this year.
>
> In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
> statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
> company's reorganization plan as presented.
>
> Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
> concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
> receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
> take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
> firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
> addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
> ($725,000) in the firm.
>
> Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
> under this plan.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58472 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Marklin was/is? a well-respected model train maker. I know they have a very intensely loyal bunch of collectors/operators. They could easily take over production of "S" gauge products in Germany if allowed to do so by Lionel. I would look for Bachmann to be interested in them as well.
Jim E.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Thompson" <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:04:42 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...






Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
magazine.

Don
Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
Plus, good news from Faller

A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.

Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
million) in earnings from April-December 2009.

An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.

Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
purchasing the company.

Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
slated to release 400 new products this year.

In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
company's reorganization plan as presented.

Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
($725,000) in the firm.

Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
under this plan.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58473 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Al makes a good point about how hard it is to overcome a bad reputation. (I'll bet a few of us can relate! LOL) My major objection to production overseas is that it is not here in the USA. JOBS pure and simple. We've got to get most of our production back on our soil. Toy/Model train production is hardly a drop in the bucket as far as numbers of jobs, but each segment is important when taking a look at the whole. I'm sure robotics has had an impact on toy manufacturing, so there's no way the same number of jobs would return, but they all count.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "alguckes2001" <AD_Guckes@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:10:36 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Quality






Quality is a function of management. When Detroit was making poor quality cars and the blame was placed on U.S. workers Toyota was making top quality cars in the U.S.. Certainly unions had some negative impact in Detroit, but management was ultimately responsible. Good quality goods can be manufactured in many countries if management demands top quality. And incidentally, Detroit and especially GM and Ford, have been making excellent quality cars and trucks for several years. However, as Lionel (related to American Flyer) may find out once you get a reputation for poor quality (as GM deserved in the 70's and 80's) it is very difficult to recover.

Al




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58474 From: pdwoods70 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: AF-Lionel Big Boy
Hey, please don't laugh but what is the orange plug for and where does it go?

Otherwise the beast is awesome. I have read the posting of some problems but have experienced none nor the quality issues some describe.

Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 58475 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
We have NEVER recovered from a "Recession" without manufacturing. The
overpaid banking "industry" certainly won't accomplish it as long as they are
robbing us blind.
Jim Lyle

In a message dated 1/15/2010 4:54:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jimensign50@... writes:

Al makes a good point about how hard it is to overcome a bad reputation.
(I'll bet a few of us can relate! LOL) My major objection to production
overseas is that it is not here in the USA. JOBS pure and simple. We've got to
get most of our production back on our soil. Toy/Model train production is
hardly a drop in the bucket as far as numbers of jobs, but each segment is
important when taking a look at the whole. I'm sure robotics has had an
impact on toy manufacturing, so there's no way the same number of jobs would
return, but they all count.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "alguckes2001" <AD_Guckes@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:10:36 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Quality






Quality is a function of management. ----- management was ultimately
responsible. Good quality goods can be manufactured in many countries if
management demands top quality------ Lionel (related to American Flyer) may find
out once you get a reputation for poor quality (as GM deserved in the 70's
and 80's) it is very difficult to recover.

Al




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Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58476 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AF-Lionel Big Boy
The orange plug is a memory module to load the loco's features, name, type,
etc. into the Legacy Cab-2 remote without having to manually program then
in.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of pdwoods70
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF-Lionel Big Boy



Hey, please don't laugh but what is the orange plug for and where does it
go?

Otherwise the beast is awesome. I have read the posting of some problems
but have experienced none nor the quality issues some describe.

Thanks






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58477 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re Märklin & AF
----- Original Message -----
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
[Märklin] could easily take over production of "S" gauge products in Germany
if allowed to do so by Lionel. . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
----------Response----------
There's absolutely nothing prohibiting them from producing "S" gauge
products in Germany (or anywhere else) right now. But who would buy those
products? Of course they couldn't put the names American Flyer or Lionel on
the products, and that, we know, not quality or scale accuracy, is what
sells.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 58478 From: hchenion@yahoo.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AF-Lionel Big Boy
It programs the legacy controler and yes it is neat.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "pdwoods70" <pdwoods70@...>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:56:12
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF-Lionel Big Boy

Hey, please don't laugh but what is the orange plug for and where does it go?

Otherwise the beast is awesome. I have read the posting of some problems but have experienced none nor the quality issues some describe.

Thanks




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58479 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
I have enjoyed seeing that video several times.

Does anyone know if the any of the locos were equipped with TMCC ?

I think the videos says the original AF Northern had a half speed SnS can
motor in it, but was it all TMCC ? And was the AM Northern converted to
TMCC?

- Earl Henry
in Kiffin-less, Orgeron-less Tennessee


In a message dated 1/15/2010 12:50:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:




143? That's nuts! Very cool video.
I'll be watching it a few times I'm sure!
Thanks for posting!

Rick in Calif.

On Jan 14, 2010, at 4:39 PM, _Manderman@..._
(mailto:Manderman@...) wrote:

> Check out this You Tube video to see an AM Northern pull 143 S helper
cars. Also shown is an original Gilbert Northern with an SnS can motor and a
Flyonel Northern both pulling the same 143 cars.
>
>
_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo&<WBR>feature=Pla&p=F82CDD5CD0E74p=F&index=i_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u60ywY9x36k&feature=PlayList&p=F82CDD5CD0E7486E&index=0)
>
> Mark Anderman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------ ---- ---- -
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at _http://MyFlyerTrainhttp://MyFlyerhttp:_
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links
>
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58480 From: George Cohn Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
WJJIM@... wrote:

> We have NEVER recovered from a "Recession" without manufacturing.

A truer statement was never made. For centuries, this country was built
on companies producing products that were sold worldwide. Until we get
back to that philosophy, we will never be more than "consumers" of goods
made in other countries that care little about the environment or
workers rights.

I treasure my AF trains because they were made in the USA by workers who
cared about the quality of their efforts. The fact that with a little
fiddling I can make any AF train function like it was new has a lot to
say about the philosophy and quality of the original AC Gilbert Company.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 58481 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: CTT and Game train article
To All:

This is to the group member looking for the CTT article on the AF Game Train. I was culling my periodicals and came across it in the July 2005 CTT on page 71. If you need a copy, please email me off list at romoyer@...

Regards

Bob Moyer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58482 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
Jim is 100% right! As a historian, I have already drawn similarities between this economic downturn and the financial collapses of the Panic of 1873 and the Great Depression. The ONLY way out is to put people to work so they can buy things, which puts other people to work. People must spend money to make the economy run and in turn, pay taxes to keep the government running.
No amount of money poured into "Wall Street" will restart the economy on "Main Street."
I would elaborate more, but I am already dangerously close to doing the banned "political commentary." If you want to read more you'll have to go to "Stumpy's Corner," my commentary site at http://stumpydcorner,blogsite.com/ I'll be doing more on the economy soon. Right now I'm doing a series on the "Global Warming" and associated "world shattering" things.
As far as Marklin making S gauge trains, yes, that is a possibility. They are well known for their quality. However, considering the German Mark vs. the American Dollar, get ready to pay BIG bucks for Marklin trains. Besides, I haven't heard if Marklin was completely out of bankruptcy yet.
Is it a sad commentary on big business today that small outfits like American Models and S-Helper Service routinely make better quality products than the toy train giant, Lionel.
Stumpy Stone...if I have to tighten my belt much more, I'll be cut in two...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58483 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: AM's 4-8-4 Northern
Earl,

None of the locos in that video had TMCC. The original AF Northern did have an SnS motor but I am not sure it was a full speed or a half speed.

Mark Anderman


----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:59:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM's 4-8-4 Northern






I have enjoyed seeing that video several times.

Does anyone know if the any of the locos were equipped with TMCC ?

I think the videos says the original AF Northern had a half speed SnS can
motor in it, but was it all TMCC ? And was the AM Northern converted to
TMCC?

- Earl Henry
in Kiffin-less, Orgeron-less Tennessee


In a message dated 1/15/2010 12:50:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:

143? That's nuts! Very cool video.
I'll be watching it a few times I'm sure!
Thanks for posting!

Rick in Calif.

On Jan 14, 2010, at 4:39 PM, _Manderman@... _
(mailto: Manderman@... ) wrote:

> Check out this You Tube video to see an AM Northern pull 143 S helper
cars. Also shown is an original Gilbert Northern with an SnS can motor and a
Flyonel Northern both pulling the same 143 cars.
>
>
_ http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo& <WBR>feature=Pla&p=F82CDD5CD0E74p=F&index=i_
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u60ywY9x36k&feature=PlayList&p=F82CDD5CD0E7486E&index=0 )
>
> Mark Anderman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------ ---- ---- -
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at _ http://MyFlyerTrainhttp://MyFlyerhttp:_
( http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo ) ! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58484 From: Herbert Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
A good example is The A C Gilbert Company, which lost its reputation as a quality when they started to put out all the junk in the 1960's.
It takes years to develop a quality reputation, but it doesn't take long to lose it.
Herb Wasserman


In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> We have NEVER recovered from a "Recession" without manufacturing. The
> overpaid banking "industry" certainly won't accomplish it as long as they are
> robbing us blind.
> Jim Lyle
>
> In a message dated 1/15/2010 4:54:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jimensign50@... writes:
>
> Al makes a good point about how hard it is to overcome a bad reputation.
> (I'll bet a few of us can relate! LOL) My major objection to production
> overseas is that it is not here in the USA. JOBS pure and simple. We've got to
> get most of our production back on our soil. Toy/Model train production is
> hardly a drop in the bucket as far as numbers of jobs, but each segment is
> important when taking a look at the whole. I'm sure robotics has had an
> impact on toy manufacturing, so there's no way the same number of jobs would
> return, but they all count.
> Jim E.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alguckes2001" <AD_Guckes@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:10:36 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> Subject: [S-Trains] Quality
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quality is a function of management. ----- management was ultimately
> responsible. Good quality goods can be manufactured in many countries if
> management demands top quality------ Lionel (related to American Flyer) may find
> out once you get a reputation for poor quality (as GM deserved in the 70's
> and 80's) it is very difficult to recover.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58485 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
By that time, the company had been sold to a "marketing consotium", maybe
much like today's situation. Marketing for money as opposed to marketing
to sell a good product. Yes, the toy line with the Gilbert or American
Flyer name had been greatly expanded, but, the core train line was so
cheapened as to be junk. Ironically, tens of thousands of parts to complete the
"original Gilbert quality" products slowly gathered dust until the company's
demise. The obvious lack of inventory control was one of the contributing
factors in ACG ultimate failure, not the only. Hobby Surplus Sales
advertised for years that they hauled over 250 truckloads of parts out of the
factory, NEVER saw any reference to the size of the trucks. Pick-ups or 28
ft pups, REAL difference.
Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/15/2010 9:52:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hwass@... writes:

A good example is The A C Gilbert Company, which lost its reputation as a
quality when they started to put out all the junk in the 1960's.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58486 From: sgaugian Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Box car stirrup steps - metal
Thanks for the tip. Looks like #2601 Center Sill Steps should do the
trick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58487 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Last Train Home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmJdCpEPIWs

I am a big fan of Pat Methany.

Enjoy his Last Train Home Song and video to go with it.

Lots of Steam.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58488 From: Bruce Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Herb,

I remember reading about Harry being involved with two other men, one of which was Spike Fitzpatrick and the other a real estate developer. They were trying to purchase the original tooling from Gilbert that Lionel held and were going to call the company "Continental Flyer". The three of them were shown in the S Gaugian, in a 1976 issue, holding various pieces of a Frontiersman Set, which would have been one of the first sets issued. They had big plans, as Harry had, at the time, a major AF parts business and I think Spike Fitzpatrick was previously employed by Gilbert is (I believe) Marketing. This is all from memory, so I might have omitted a few facts. Continental Flyer went through all the paperwork motions, but something happened and the company disintegrated before it even got off the ground. From what I remember, they had plans to use part of the same plant in New Haven to produce their line. I guess Lionel wouldn't cooperate with their attempt to purchase the old tooling, so they folded up their tent. If anyone has any knowledge of what actually occurred, it would make for interesting reading for some of us old codgers who got their hopes up for a real attempt to reproduce original American Flyer S gauge in the mid 70's by guys that actually had a history with the A.C. Gilbert Co.

Bruce



From: Herbert
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...



Yes, Marklin took them over in 2007. They are supposed to be finalizing a deal to market in the USA again.
Regarding Lionel selling Flyer. Won't happen. They don't want to wind up competing against themselves.
I remember in the 1970's, the then Lionel ownership hemmed and hawed about resuming production. Harry Gordon an AF parts dealer in New Haven (some oldtimers may remember him) wanted to buy the line, but he told me that they just strung him along, until they resumed production in 1979. They then milked the collectors until Ron Bashista and Don Thompson revived and revitalized the gauge. Only then did Lionel start to aggressively promote Flyer.
More than a few people placed Lionel amongst the "pioneers"
in the new S gauge. I took a lot of flack for my contrary views.
I resigned my membership on this board for a while, but like the prodigal son returned.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON" <seaboard2@...> wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Did Marklin buy up LGB when it went under? I heard this several years ago but never could confirm it as there are no LGB dealers left in this area.
>
> Sam W
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
>
>
>
> Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
> magazine.
>
> Don
> Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
> Plus, good news from Faller
>
> A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
> interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
> Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.
>
> Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
> German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
> million) in earnings from April-December 2009.
>
> An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
> figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
> 2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.
>
> Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
> manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
> Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
> purchasing the company.
>
> Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
> February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
> 2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
> slated to release 400 new products this year.
>
> In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
> statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
> company's reorganization plan as presented.
>
> Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
> concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
> receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
> take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
> firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
> addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
> ($725,000) in the firm.
>
> Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
> under this plan.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58489 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
George Cohn wrote:
>
>
> WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> wrote:
>
>> We have NEVER recovered from a "Recession" without
>> manufacturing.

Probably true, when we were a manufacturing based country.
We are not so any longer. We leave such dirty and boring
work to those who can do it more competitively now.

> A truer statement was never made. For centuries, this
> country was built on companies producing products
> that were sold worldwide.

Sure, and we still sell our products worldwide. In fact,
there is not really that much difference between the
broadest categories of things imported vs. things exported.

http://tinyurl.com/yelupvs

> Until we get back to that philosophy,...

There is no philosophy. It is the turns and twists of the
evolving world market where each players strengths make them
suppliers and their weaknesses make them consumers.
governments interfere, to their country's detriment, but
markets have very powerful ways.

> we will never be more than "consumers" of goods made in
> other countries that care little about the environment
> or workers rights.

The workers in third world countries are struggling to
remain alive and become more powerful players in world
trade. The "rights" we can afford to mandate (not to suggest
I support such intervention) are inconsistent with such
excellent goals. There is a cost to everything.

Dave W.



> I treasure my AF trains because they were made in the
> USA by workers who cared about the quality of their
> efforts. The fact that with a little fiddling I can
> make any AF train function like it was new has a lot to
> say about the philosophy and quality of the original
> AC Gilbert Company.
>
> George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 58490 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Quality: Comparing cars and toy trains
Look at the automobiles made during the first half of the Twentieth Century, and the toy trains made during that same period.
Yes, compared to today's automobiles, they were somewhat crude mechanically and didn't handle very well. They weren't as safe as today's cars (but the drivers were better and more focused on what they were doing.) In the fifties, they were festooned with chrome and fins and 300 horsepower engines, mirroring the exuberance of the times.
Toy trains were similar, somewhat crude mechanically, not the smoothest runners, and there were no sound systems beyond whistle and choo-choo (but kids had imagination in those days.) They sometimes came in unrealistic colors and proportions, but they also captured an age of innocense, a time when the future was always bright.
In those days, Dad had a job that paid well enought to support the whole family without Mom working, and you bought things when you could actually afford them. Anything "Made in japan" was relegated to the 5 & 10 cent store (the Dollar Store of those days.)
Cars and toy trains were well made, durable, and many are still around, still performing the function for which they were made. Those kids have grown up and love them even today. Both old cars and old toy trains can be repaired over and over by just about anyone with the desire to do it.
I doubt very much if any 2010 cars or toy trains will be around to restore in forty or fifty years! And if so, where will you get the parts and electronics? Already, I can't get a computer for my '98 Pontiac!
We have never known a time when America needed to "turn back the clock" on so many things! And a time it is less likely to happen.
Stumpy Stone...train guy, car guy, historian, and commentator on life...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58491 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Canadian Toy Train Coin--CAREFUL
I have that coin in my hand and I have no problems with it, as the train moves down the track as you turn it.

I don't think it is dull at all.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Nowosielski
To: s-trains
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Canadian Toy Train Coin--CAREFUL



The Toy Train coin mentioned is a complete disappointment. If you check it out on the Canadian Web Site It appears as vibrant and sharply colored. When you receive the coin you will find that it is QUITE DULL. It is a lenticular coin so it has movement to it.

jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58492 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Removing shells from AM FA and FB for purposes of repainting
I am repainting an AM FA-FB set that I purchased on eBay. It must be a
fairly new version, possibly manufactured in China, when I compare it to the
FA-FB set I purchased when they were first produced. I say this because
the headlight in the FA is firmly attached in the clear plastic headlight
insert and I have not been able to remove it, though I can easily unplug the
electical connection to the chassis. I suppose if I cannot remove the
headlight, I can cover it up for repainting.

The FB unit is an AC sound unit version. The sound unit is attached to
the underneath part of the shell roof, and the sound unit is hard-wired to
the chassis. I have not figured out how I can simply remove the shell from
the sound unit to make it easier to repaint.

Any suggestions on how to either remove the headlight from the FA or the
separate the FB shell from the sound unit would be appreciated.

- Earl Henry,
Nashville, TN




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58493 From: Dave Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Trucking Lines Decals
Looks like we will be starting up a line of decals for trucking lines from the 30's, 40's and 50's for the local delivery single frame and 32' cabs & trailers.
Please let us know what trucking lines you would like to see.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58494 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Train show in Troy, Mich
There's a big train show at the Athens High School, 4333 John R, in Troy Mich, from 10 AM to 3 PM, Tomorrow, Sunday 17 January. .

I'll be there with lots of AM, SHS, and other good stuff, 90 % of which is AF-compatible.

Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58495 From: fahrwud Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: The Economy
I figure that with the strength of the Euro, and the recovery of production costs required with financial re-strucuring, Marklin would completely give up on competing in the North American market with US-prototype trains. A quick scan of updated LGB prices is eye-popping.
Except maybe in areas of high population density, the specialized hobby shop might have to return to a cottage industry, but with a heavy lean to internet sales.(i.e. the global village) Any thoughts?
Dave

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:
>
> Stumpy did you know that LGB was taken over by Marklin, and there will be no more US trains made under the LGB Marklin name. They sold out lock stock....
> LGB USA from what was said to me is done for. I would like to know what happened to all the dies to make the stuff, and why they didn't sell them to LGB USA.
> My friend who has a Hobby store told me this, and he was on the list for LGB as a seller for them. Some of it has to do with importing to the US, and Marklin is dropping that end of it.
> I would think some would go back to other gauges that they can pick up over here. Just like when Flyer went out, but that will take some time to have happen.
>
> Clayton S. D.
> Portland OR.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:The Economy
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 5:48 AM
> > In our area, the five hobby shops (down from seven)have
> > changed over
> > the years from "full coverage" types to specific
> > product types. The
> > closest to the "carry everything" store is
> > Deluxe, which has
> > gravitated to being more of a toy store. Fulton's has
> > given up
> > everything but Radio Control planes and cars.
> > Patrick's does only
> > trains, O three rail and some HO. TK has gone only
> > trains, O three
> > rail and G with a smattering of HO. And my own G & M
> > is only trains
> > now, O three rail and scale, S Hi-rail and scale, HO, and a
> > little N
> > scale. Each of the three train only shops carry scenery,
> > structures,
> > and vehicles too of course.
> > Of the five shops, Fulton's and G & M have given
> > the best customer
> > service by far for as long as they have been in business.
> > The other
> > three are supported by other sources of revenue, the two
> > other train
> > shops are run strictly as tax right offs.
> > WalMart has sucked the life out of area small businesses,
> > and what
> > they didn't take, Lowe's (a subsidiary of WalMart)
> > have snatched up.
> > It is true that many people shop WalMart for prices, but it
> > is also
> > true that in areas of small towns WalMart wipes out the
> > competition
> > and leaves you with no other choice. It's an effective
> > strategy.
> > For hobby shops, the pressure has been on for several
> > years, and they
> > are dropping like flies. According to Hobby Retailer, an
> > industry
> > magazine hundreds have gone under since 2005! We lost two
> > locally,nearby Steubenville lost both their shops in the
> > past few
> > years and Pittsburgh lost two this year alone. For belt
> > tightening,
> > we're near the last hole in the hobby shop business.
> > Stumpy Stone...concerned in eastern Ohio.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58496 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Hi Herb,
Harry was a good man and along with Dan Olsen made a lot of necessary reproduction parts for American Flyer.  One of the Continental products were Talking Station records.  I believe Harry had the molds to the Franklin parts and thats why they chose to make that set.  They most likely had trouble with Lionel because some of the patents from Gilbert were still valid. Depends if A.C.. Gilbert Co. owned the patents or the individuals who wrote the patents owned those. The other reason most likely was start up capital and finding investors.  Considering what Lionel started in 1979 with the three pieces of rolling stock, I believe they would have been successful. Many parts could have be farmed out and assembly could have been done in house.  There were some follow up articles and updates in the "S" Gaugian mag, if I kind find the back issues with those, I'll post these in the S-Group.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 4:34 AM







 











Herb,



I remember reading about Harry being involved with two other men, one of which was Spike Fitzpatrick and the other a real estate developer. They were trying to purchase the original tooling from Gilbert that Lionel held and were going to call the company "Continental Flyer". The three of them were shown in the S Gaugian, in a 1976 issue, holding various pieces of a Frontiersman Set, which would have been one of the first sets issued. They had big plans, as Harry had, at the time, a major AF parts business and I think Spike Fitzpatrick was previously employed by Gilbert is (I believe) Marketing. This is all from memory, so I might have omitted a few facts. Continental Flyer went through all the paperwork motions, but something happened and the company disintegrated before it even got off the ground. From what I remember, they had plans to use part of the same plant in New Haven to produce their line. I guess Lionel wouldn't cooperate with their
attempt to purchase the old tooling, so they folded up their tent. If anyone has any knowledge of what actually occurred, it would make for interesting reading for some of us old codgers who got their hopes up for a real attempt to reproduce original American Flyer S gauge in the mid 70's by guys that actually had a history with the A.C. Gilbert Co.



Bruce



From: Herbert

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:26 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...



Yes, Marklin took them over in 2007. They are supposed to be finalizing a deal to market in the USA again.

Regarding Lionel selling Flyer. Won't happen. They don't want to wind up competing against themselves.

I remember in the 1970's, the then Lionel ownership hemmed and hawed about resuming production. Harry Gordon an AF parts dealer in New Haven (some oldtimers may remember him) wanted to buy the line, but he told me that they just strung him along, until they resumed production in 1979. They then milked the collectors until Ron Bashista and Don Thompson revived and revitalized the gauge. Only then did Lionel start to aggressively promote Flyer.

More than a few people placed Lionel amongst the "pioneers"

in the new S gauge. I took a lot of flack for my contrary views.

I resigned my membership on this board for a while, but like the prodigal son returned.

Herb Wasserman



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON" <seaboard2@. ..> wrote:

>

> Don,

>

> Did Marklin buy up LGB when it went under? I heard this several years ago but never could confirm it as there are no LGB dealers left in this area.

>

> Sam W

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Don Thompson

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 AM

> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...

>

>

>

> Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online

> magazine.

>

> Don

> Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?

> Plus, good news from Faller

>

> A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn

> interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while

> Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.

>

> Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the

> German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2

> million) in earnings from April-December 2009.

>

> An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings

> figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY

> 2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.

>

> Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train

> manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in

> Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in

> purchasing the company.

>

> Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in

> February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late

> 2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is

> slated to release 400 new products this year.

>

> In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a

> statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the

> company's reorganization plan as presented.

>

> Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be

> concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will

> receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will

> take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the

> firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In

> addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro

> ($725,000) in the firm.

>

> Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully

> under this plan.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58497 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Cow on Track - Help!!
Hi All,

I'm attempting to hook up the cow-on-track accessory and can not get it working. I am following the diagram on page 298 in the K-Line service manual. I had this working in Atlanta before moving to Katy, so I don't think there is anything wrong with the mechanism. I must have a wiring issue somewhere. Does anyone have any advice on troubleshooting this? Like what voltage should I see between each set of posts with the cow on the track and then off the track????

Thanks in advance for any help!!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58498 From: michael prell Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Quality
"Is it a sad commentary on big business today that small outfits like American Models and S-Helper Service routinely make better quality products than the toy train giant, Lionel."
I guess this means that bigger ain't always BEST!


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Quality
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:50 PM


 



Jim is 100% right! As a historian, I have already drawn similarities between this economic downturn and the financial collapses of the Panic of 1873 and the Great Depression. The ONLY way out is to put people to work so they can buy things, which puts other people to work. People must spend money to make the economy run and in turn, pay taxes to keep the government running.
No amount of money poured into "Wall Street" will restart the economy on "Main Street."
I would elaborate more, but I am already dangerously close to doing the banned "political commentary." If you want to read more you'll have to go to "Stumpy's Corner," my commentary site at http://stumpydcorne r,blogsite. com/ I'll be doing more on the economy soon. Right now I'm doing a series on the "Global Warming" and associated "world shattering" things.
As far as Marklin making S gauge trains, yes, that is a possibility. They are well known for their quality. However, considering the German Mark vs. the American Dollar, get ready to pay BIG bucks for Marklin trains. Besides, I haven't heard if Marklin was completely out of bankruptcy yet.
Is it a sad commentary on big business today that small outfits like American Models and S-Helper Service routinely make better quality products than the toy train giant, Lionel.
Stumpy Stone...if I have to tighten my belt much more, I'll be cut in two...in Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58500 From: preardon4girls Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: S-Helper marker lights
I would like to add marker lights (similar to the S-Helper cabooses) to some of my other cabooses and passenger/observation car. Does anyone know where I might be able to locate something like these so that I could add rear-end lighting? I'm thinking maybe either LED or fiber optics for a light source.

Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 58501 From: Herbert Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: The Economy
Marklin has supposedly settled trademark problems in the US and is hoping to reestablish sales in the US.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "fahrwud" <fahrwud@...> wrote:
>
> I figure that with the strength of the Euro, and the recovery of production costs required with financial re-strucuring, Marklin would completely give up on competing in the North American market with US-prototype trains. A quick scan of updated LGB prices is eye-popping.
> Except maybe in areas of high population density, the specialized hobby shop might have to return to a cottage industry, but with a heavy lean to internet sales.(i.e. the global village) Any thoughts?
> Dave
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@> wrote:
> >
> > Stumpy did you know that LGB was taken over by Marklin, and there will be no more US trains made under the LGB Marklin name. They sold out lock stock....
> > LGB USA from what was said to me is done for. I would like to know what happened to all the dies to make the stuff, and why they didn't sell them to LGB USA.
> > My friend who has a Hobby store told me this, and he was on the list for LGB as a seller for them. Some of it has to do with importing to the US, and Marklin is dropping that end of it.
> > I would think some would go back to other gauges that they can pick up over here. Just like when Flyer went out, but that will take some time to have happen.
> >
> > Clayton S. D.
> > Portland OR.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@>
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:The Economy
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 5:48 AM
> > > In our area, the five hobby shops (down from seven)have
> > > changed over
> > > the years from "full coverage" types to specific
> > > product types. The
> > > closest to the "carry everything" store is
> > > Deluxe, which has
> > > gravitated to being more of a toy store. Fulton's has
> > > given up
> > > everything but Radio Control planes and cars.
> > > Patrick's does only
> > > trains, O three rail and some HO. TK has gone only
> > > trains, O three
> > > rail and G with a smattering of HO. And my own G & M
> > > is only trains
> > > now, O three rail and scale, S Hi-rail and scale, HO, and a
> > > little N
> > > scale. Each of the three train only shops carry scenery,
> > > structures,
> > > and vehicles too of course.
> > > Of the five shops, Fulton's and G & M have given
> > > the best customer
> > > service by far for as long as they have been in business.
> > > The other
> > > three are supported by other sources of revenue, the two
> > > other train
> > > shops are run strictly as tax right offs.
> > > WalMart has sucked the life out of area small businesses,
> > > and what
> > > they didn't take, Lowe's (a subsidiary of WalMart)
> > > have snatched up.
> > > It is true that many people shop WalMart for prices, but it
> > > is also
> > > true that in areas of small towns WalMart wipes out the
> > > competition
> > > and leaves you with no other choice. It's an effective
> > > strategy.
> > > For hobby shops, the pressure has been on for several
> > > years, and they
> > > are dropping like flies. According to Hobby Retailer, an
> > > industry
> > > magazine hundreds have gone under since 2005! We lost two
> > > locally,nearby Steubenville lost both their shops in the
> > > past few
> > > years and Pittsburgh lost two this year alone. For belt
> > > tightening,
> > > we're near the last hole in the hobby shop business.
> > > Stumpy Stone...concerned in eastern Ohio.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58502 From: Herbert Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Tom,
Harry wanted to buy Lionel's entire American Flyer operation. Patents
by AC Gilbert Company though issued in the name of the filer, were assigned to the Company.
I do appreciate all the valuable contributions you provide to this
board.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Herb,
> Harry was a good man and along with Dan Olsen made a lot of necessary reproduction parts for American Flyer.  One of the Continental products were Talking Station records.  I believe Harry had the molds to the Franklin parts and thats why they chose to make that set.  They most likely had trouble with Lionel because some of the patents from Gilbert were still valid. Depends if A.C.. Gilbert Co. owned the patents or the individuals who wrote the patents owned those. The other reason most likely was start up capital and finding investors.  Considering what Lionel started in 1979 with the three pieces of rolling stock, I believe they would have been successful. Many parts could have be farmed out and assembly could have been done in house.  There were some follow up articles and updates in the "S" Gaugian mag, if I kind find the back issues with those, I'll post these in the S-Group.
> Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
> From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 4:34 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Herb,
>
>
>
> I remember reading about Harry being involved with two other men, one of which was Spike Fitzpatrick and the other a real estate developer. They were trying to purchase the original tooling from Gilbert that Lionel held and were going to call the company "Continental Flyer". The three of them were shown in the S Gaugian, in a 1976 issue, holding various pieces of a Frontiersman Set, which would have been one of the first sets issued. They had big plans, as Harry had, at the time, a major AF parts business and I think Spike Fitzpatrick was previously employed by Gilbert is (I believe) Marketing. This is all from memory, so I might have omitted a few facts. Continental Flyer went through all the paperwork motions, but something happened and the company disintegrated before it even got off the ground. From what I remember, they had plans to use part of the same plant in New Haven to produce their line. I guess Lionel wouldn't cooperate with their
> attempt to purchase the old tooling, so they folded up their tent. If anyone has any knowledge of what actually occurred, it would make for interesting reading for some of us old codgers who got their hopes up for a real attempt to reproduce original American Flyer S gauge in the mid 70's by guys that actually had a history with the A.C. Gilbert Co.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Herbert
>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:26 PM
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
>
>
>
> Yes, Marklin took them over in 2007. They are supposed to be finalizing a deal to market in the USA again.
>
> Regarding Lionel selling Flyer. Won't happen. They don't want to wind up competing against themselves.
>
> I remember in the 1970's, the then Lionel ownership hemmed and hawed about resuming production. Harry Gordon an AF parts dealer in New Haven (some oldtimers may remember him) wanted to buy the line, but he told me that they just strung him along, until they resumed production in 1979. They then milked the collectors until Ron Bashista and Don Thompson revived and revitalized the gauge. Only then did Lionel start to aggressively promote Flyer.
>
> More than a few people placed Lionel amongst the "pioneers"
>
> in the new S gauge. I took a lot of flack for my contrary views.
>
> I resigned my membership on this board for a while, but like the prodigal son returned.
>
> Herb Wasserman
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON" <seaboard2@ ..> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Don,
>
> >
>
> > Did Marklin buy up LGB when it went under? I heard this several years ago but never could confirm it as there are no LGB dealers left in this area.
>
> >
>
> > Sam W
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Don Thompson
>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
>
> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 AM
>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
>
> > magazine.
>
> >
>
> > Don
>
> > Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
>
> > Plus, good news from Faller
>
> >
>
> > A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
>
> > interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
>
> > Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.
>
> >
>
> > Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
>
> > German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
>
> > million) in earnings from April-December 2009.
>
> >
>
> > An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
>
> > figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
>
> > 2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.
>
> >
>
> > Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
>
> > manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
>
> > Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
>
> > purchasing the company.
>
> >
>
> > Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
>
> > February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
>
> > 2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
>
> > slated to release 400 new products this year.
>
> >
>
> > In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
>
> > statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
>
> > company's reorganization plan as presented.
>
> >
>
> > Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
>
> > concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
>
> > receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
>
> > take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
>
> > firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
>
> > addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
>
> > ($725,000) in the firm.
>
> >
>
> > Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
>
> > under this plan.
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58503 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Cow Back on Track
Hi All,

I found the problem with the cow-on-track. There was a little build-up on the contact pin on the throw arm. It looked like a cobweb maybe. A quick buff with an emery board and it works like new!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58504 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Cow Back on Track
Dave,

All I can say is MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

glad to hear the cow on track is up and working again.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:00 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Cow Back on Track



Hi All,

I found the problem with the cow-on-track. There was a little build-up on the contact pin on the throw arm. It looked like a cobweb maybe. A quick buff with an emery board and it works like new!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58505 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track - Help!!
I'm away from home right now so I can't go out and work with that to get specific details, but I can tell you one thing: you cannot use a voltmeter to determine whether it's working right. I tried that myself and couldn't figure anything out; then I realized that the resistor in series with the track when it's blocked by the cow prevents you from getting a good voltage reading because the entire voltage drop is across the resistor.


On Jan 16, 2010, at 12:56 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm attempting to hook up the cow-on-track accessory and can not get it working. I am following the diagram on page 298 in the K-Line service manual. I had this working in Atlanta before moving to Katy, so I don't think there is anything wrong with the mechanism. I must have a wiring issue somewhere. Does anyone have any advice on troubleshooting this? Like what voltage should I see between each set of posts with the cow on the track and then off the track????

Thanks in advance for any help!!

BG1







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58506 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: S-Helper marker lights
Hi Pat ---

There are many ways to add markers. PBL, PSC, Utah Pacific (HO, but
probably passable for S), probably American Models and SHS (both direct
from them), should all be able to get you the basic marker. Lighting
brings a whole bunch of other things into play, but the PBL and PSC brass
castings are cored for small lamps, or maybe small LED's. The Utah Pacific
marker can be had with a 1.5v lamp installed.

Hope this helps,
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

I would like to add marker lights (similar to the S-Helper cabooses) to some
of my other cabooses and passenger/observation car. Does anyone know where I
might be able to locate something like these so that I could add rear-end
lighting? I'm thinking maybe either LED or fiber optics for a light source.
Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 58507 From: Herbert Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Re: From today's Model Retailer...
Regarding Continental Flyer, some people in New Haven thought it was a consientious effort;others felt it was a ruse, and that they were trying to obtain financing for other projects. Generally, Harry was considered ok though. There is an article on the subject in the Fall 1977 issue of TCA Quartely.
Re: Fitzpatrick, I didn't find many people who were impressed by him.
But, of course, I am not the last word. Gilbert sales did not exactly flourish during his tenure.
Herb Wasserman


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Herb,
>
> I remember reading about Harry being involved with two other men, one of which was Spike Fitzpatrick and the other a real estate developer. They were trying to purchase the original tooling from Gilbert that Lionel held and were going to call the company "Continental Flyer". The three of them were shown in the S Gaugian, in a 1976 issue, holding various pieces of a Frontiersman Set, which would have been one of the first sets issued. They had big plans, as Harry had, at the time, a major AF parts business and I think Spike Fitzpatrick was previously employed by Gilbert is (I believe) Marketing. This is all from memory, so I might have omitted a few facts. Continental Flyer went through all the paperwork motions, but something happened and the company disintegrated before it even got off the ground. From what I remember, they had plans to use part of the same plant in New Haven to produce their line. I guess Lionel wouldn't cooperate with their attempt to purchase the old tooling, so they folded up their tent. If anyone has any knowledge of what actually occurred, it would make for interesting reading for some of us old codgers who got their hopes up for a real attempt to reproduce original American Flyer S gauge in the mid 70's by guys that actually had a history with the A.C. Gilbert Co.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Herbert
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
>
>
>
> Yes, Marklin took them over in 2007. They are supposed to be finalizing a deal to market in the USA again.
> Regarding Lionel selling Flyer. Won't happen. They don't want to wind up competing against themselves.
> I remember in the 1970's, the then Lionel ownership hemmed and hawed about resuming production. Harry Gordon an AF parts dealer in New Haven (some oldtimers may remember him) wanted to buy the line, but he told me that they just strung him along, until they resumed production in 1979. They then milked the collectors until Ron Bashista and Don Thompson revived and revitalized the gauge. Only then did Lionel start to aggressively promote Flyer.
> More than a few people placed Lionel amongst the "pioneers"
> in the new S gauge. I took a lot of flack for my contrary views.
> I resigned my membership on this board for a while, but like the prodigal son returned.
> Herb Wasserman
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON" <seaboard2@> wrote:
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > Did Marklin buy up LGB when it went under? I heard this several years ago but never could confirm it as there are no LGB dealers left in this area.
> >
> > Sam W
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Thompson
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: From today's Model Retailer...
> >
> >
> >
> > Some interesting news posted on the Model Retailer monthly online
> > magazine.
> >
> > Don
> > Märklin profitable, says administrator; Lionel interested in purchase?
> > Plus, good news from Faller
> >
> > A reorganized Märklin is making money and has apparently drawn
> > interest from the biggest name in American model railroading, while
> > Faller creditors have approved the company's reorganization plan.
> >
> > Märklin administrator Michael Pluta has been quoted recently in the
> > German press as saying the company generated 7 million Euro ($10.2
> > million) in earnings from April-December 2009.
> >
> > An article in the Südwest Presse newspaper in Ulm said the earnings
> > figures come on 110 million Euro ($160.2 million) in sales during FY
> > 2009. The earnings figure is before interest and taxes.
> >
> > Additionally, the publication says a delegation from U.S. toy train
> > manufacturer Lionel has visited Märklin's production facilities in
> > Göppingen in Germany and Györ in Hungary, presumably with interest in
> > purchasing the company.
> >
> > Pluta, getting ready for Nuremberg's Spielwarenmesse Toy Fair in
> > February, says he's under no pressure to get the company sold. In late
> > 2009, he said a sale might be possible in 2010. He added Märklin is
> > slated to release 400 new products this year.
> >
> > In related news, Faller administrator Dr. Volker Grub issued a
> > statement January 13 that creditors have unanimously approved the
> > company's reorganization plan as presented.
> >
> > Under the plan, manufacturing, administration, and sales will be
> > concentrated in the headquarters town of Guetenbach. Creditors will
> > receive a payment of 10% of their claim within one month; Faller will
> > take responsibility for the pensions of its current employees; and the
> > firm will make a payment to the pension insurance association. In
> > addition, the ownership will invest a minimum of 500,000 Euro
> > ($725,000) in the firm.
> >
> > Dr. Grub stated that he believes the firm can operate successfully
> > under this plan.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58508 From: alanlambert2006 Date: 1/16/2010
Subject: Local train show Plano Texas Train Show
Just got home and thought I would Fill you all in. My club Lone Star Flyer and Trinity S Guagers both have our layout up and running. There are more S venders this year. I picked up a Franklin engine and the three cars for $190.00. They look like brand new. My club Lone Star Flyer had 2 Bigboys on display. We are the highrail club while Trinity is DC scale. The show is open tomorrow from 10:00 till 4:00.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas
Group: S-Trains Message: 58509 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track." ;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing, the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track." My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision." The possible variations are endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58510 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track - Help!!
With a bit of wear on the pivot the cow tends to stick. Make sure the contacts are clean. Its an art not a science as far as I can see. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Cow on Track - Help!!



Hi All,

I'm attempting to hook up the cow-on-track accessory and can not get it working. I am following the diagram on page 298 in the K-Line service manual. I had this working in Atlanta before moving to Katy, so I don't think there is anything wrong with the mechanism. I must have a wiring issue somewhere. Does anyone have any advice on troubleshooting this? Like what voltage should I see between each set of posts with the cow on the track and then off the track????

Thanks in advance for any help!!

BG1







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58511 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Quality: Comparing cars and toy trains
Hi Stumpy,

All this nostalgia for the good old days is fine, but do you REALLY want to
live in the past. Sometimes so-called "progress" goes off in strange
directions, but taken in total, progress is a good thing. If we didn't have
progress, we wouldn't even have our AF trains to play with and the
electricity to run them would not exist. Instead, the majority of us would
lead a miserable disease-ridden existence and then die at an early age. You
would be so busy just trying to keep yourself alive, that you would not have
time to think about anything but that. I had a hand infection about 30
years ago and spent a week in the hospital with IV antibiotics where I had a
lot of time to think about what would have happened to me if I had been born
in an earlier generation. Certainly without antibiotics, I would have
likely died or had my hand amputated. Ten years ago I had bypass surgery.
Had I been born in an earlier generation my condition would not have been
diagnosed, and even if it were, there would not have been a treatment for
it.

Thank you, but I am just fine living in the present. And yes, I do regret
our throw-away society, the lack of imagination in today's kids, and the
repairability and simplicity of equipment from an earlier age, but in
exchange I get to write this message to you on a computer (which didn't
exist in 1950) using integrated circuits (which didn't exist in 1950) and
then send it to you by e-mail (which also didn't exist in 1950). I also
still get to play with my AF trains.

Jerry


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-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of mrstumpy50
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:10 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Quality: Comparing cars and toy trains



Look at the automobiles made during the first half of the Twentieth
Century, and the toy trains made during that same period.
Yes, compared to today's automobiles, they were somewhat crude
mechanically and didn't handle very well. They weren't as safe as today's
cars (but the drivers were better and more focused on what they were doing.)
In the fifties, they were festooned with chrome and fins and 300 horsepower
engines, mirroring the exuberance of the times.
Toy trains were similar, somewhat crude mechanically, not the smoothest
runners, and there were no sound systems beyond whistle and choo-choo (but
kids had imagination in those days.) They sometimes came in unrealistic
colors and proportions, but they also captured an age of innocense, a time
when the future was always bright.
In those days, Dad had a job that paid well enought to support the whole
family without Mom working, and you bought things when you could actually
afford them. Anything "Made in japan" was relegated to the 5 & 10 cent store
(the Dollar Store of those days.)
Cars and toy trains were well made, durable, and many are still around,
still performing the function for which they were made. Those kids have
grown up and love them even today. Both old cars and old toy trains can be
repaired over and over by just about anyone with the desire to do it.
I doubt very much if any 2010 cars or toy trains will be around to restore
in forty or fifty years! And if so, where will you get the parts and
electronics? Already, I can't get a computer for my '98 Pontiac!
We have never known a time when America needed to "turn back the clock" on
so many things! And a time it is less likely to happen.
Stumpy Stone...train guy, car guy, historian, and commentator on
life...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58512 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Yo Stumpy:

It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK they were Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the sixties.

Regards

Bob Moyer
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I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track." ;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing, the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track." My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision." The possible variations are endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58513 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
AW STUMPY..... You brought back MEMORIES!!!!! Of the days as a kid Building Lincoln Log stuff on the Track.... And PLOWING INTO IT WITH THE TRAIN....
I can close my eyes and still feel laying on the floor watching the train roar down the track!!!!  Remember how we used to put our head near the track and watch it !!!!!
Oh well ... back to my memoriers.... Something a lot of others don't have.... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 8:30 AM


 



I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track." ;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing, the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track." My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision. " The possible variations are endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 58514 From: Matthew Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Any ideas for general troubleshooting on an Atlantic?
My 302 ran like a champ around the tree for the last two months, but when I took it to my father's house where the permanent layout is, it was running slowly and a little bit jerky. My first thought was that the linkage was bent and was rubbing, but I tried bending it away and it didn't seem to help. What else can I do?
Thanks to everyone of all their help.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58515 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Stumpy has given me a great idea, "CONGRESSMAN on Track". The train,
regardless of approach speed would "peg" and hit the congressman full bore. IF
the little part could be found, itcould be set up for another revolution.
This could eventually work into "radio blowhard" on track, "School Board"
on track, the possibilities are there.
THANKS STUMPY,

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/17/2010 10:13:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
romoyer@... writes:

Yo Stumpy:

It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams
Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK they were
Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the sixties.

Regards

Bob Moyer
-------------- Original message from "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...>:
--------------


I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up
with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized
modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The
Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take
up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track."
;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of
a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be
decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so
they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing,
the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of
electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other
accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra
cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin
off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track."
My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional
pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision." The possible variations are
endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58516 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Check for a linkage screw catching a rod--brushes &/or springs, dirty pick
up wheels, loose tire on driver, loose wheel on axel--

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/17/2010 11:42:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mkperks@... writes:

Any ideas for general troubleshooting on an Atlantic?
My 302 ran like a champ around the tree for the last two months, but when
I took it to my father's house where the permanent layout is, it was
running slowly and a little bit jerky. My first thought was that the linkage was
bent and was rubbing, but I tried bending it away and it didn't seem to
help. What else can I do?
Thanks to everyone of all their help.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58517 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Jim,

naughty, naughty.

LOL

Just lock them up in your cold train room above your garage, as you can serve them COLD frozen coffee. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!



Stumpy has given me a great idea, "CONGRESSMAN on Track". The train,
regardless of approach speed would "peg" and hit the congressman full bore. IF
the little part could be found, itcould be set up for another revolution.
This could eventually work into "radio blowhard" on track, "School Board"
on track, the possibilities are there.
THANKS STUMPY,

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/17/2010 10:13:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
romoyer@... writes:

Yo Stumpy:

It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams
Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK they were
Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the sixties.

Regards

Bob Moyer
-------------- Original message from "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...>:
--------------

I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up
with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized
modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The
Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take
up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track."
;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of
a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be
decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so
they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing,
the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of
electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other
accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra
cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin
off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track."
My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional
pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision." The possible variations are
endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58518 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
It would be my guess that the wheels on the tender need to be cleaned and polished as you probably picked up a lot of grud running it around the tree.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Matthew <mkperks@...> wrote:


From: Matthew <mkperks@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] SLOW ATLANTIC?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:26 AM


 



Any ideas for general troubleshooting on an Atlantic?
My 302 ran like a champ around the tree for the last two months, but when I took it to my father's house where the permanent layout is, it was running slowly and a little bit jerky. My first thought was that the linkage was bent and was rubbing, but I tried bending it away and it didn't seem to help. What else can I do?
Thanks to everyone of all their help.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58519 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
> dirty pick up wheels

Just this past December, on my small Christmas layout ...... at the first sign of a loco running weird,
I'd freak-out ...... but then I would clean the pick-up wheels and check the track.
Works every time.
Not that cleaning will solve all problems, but the best place to start IMHO.

Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 58520 From: michael prell Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Hi. Gang!
A few years ago when I first got back into AF and my kids were small, I had misplaced the cow and my Son came up with the idea of a dinosaure on the track! Yup! Tyrantosaurus!
Worked great. Luckily I later found the cow and put it away for future use. Here's another.
What about OSAMA ON THE TRACK?
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:26 PM


 



Jim,

naughty, naughty.

LOL

Just lock them up in your cold train room above your garage, as you can serve them COLD frozen coffee. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!

Stumpy has given me a great idea, "CONGRESSMAN on Track". The train,
regardless of approach speed would "peg" and hit the congressman full bore. IF
the little part could be found, itcould be set up for another revolution.
This could eventually work into "radio blowhard" on track, "School Board"
on track, the possibilities are there.
THANKS STUMPY,

Jim Lyle

In a message dated 1/17/2010 10:13:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
romoyer@att. net writes:

Yo Stumpy:

It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams
Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK they were
Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the sixties.

Regards

Bob Moyer
------------ -- Original message from "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@comcast. net>:
------------ --

I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up
with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized
modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The
Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take
up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track."
;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of
a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be
decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so
they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing,
the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of
electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other
accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra
cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin
off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track."
My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional
pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision. " The possible variations are
endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58521 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Sounds like your Dad may have dirty track.....
Steve


In a message dated 01/17/2010 10:35:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
WJJIM@... writes:




Check for a linkage screw catching a rod--brushes &/or springs, dirty pick
up wheels, loose tire on driver, loose wheel on axel--

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/17/2010 11:42:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_mkperks@..._ (mailto:mkperks@...) writes:

Any ideas for general troubleshooting on an Atlantic?
My 302 ran like a champ around the tree for the last two months, but when
I took it to my father's house where the permanent layout is, it was
running slowly and a little bit jerky. My first thought was that the
linkage was
bent and was rubbing, but I tried bending it away and it didn't seem to
help. What else can I do?
Thanks to everyone of all their help.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58522 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
SPEED UP THE TRAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:


From: michael prell <mlprell@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 1:04 PM


 



Hi. Gang!
A few years ago when I first got back into AF and my kids were small, I had misplaced the cow and my Son came up with the idea of a dinosaure on the track! Yup! Tyrantosaurus!
Worked great. Luckily I later found the cow and put it away for future use. Here's another.
What about OSAMA ON THE TRACK?
Mike

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:26 PM

 

Jim,

naughty, naughty.

LOL

Just lock them up in your cold train room above your garage, as you can serve them COLD frozen coffee. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!

Stumpy has given me a great idea, "CONGRESSMAN on Track". The train,
regardless of approach speed would "peg" and hit the congressman full bore. IF
the little part could be found, itcould be set up for another revolution.
This could eventually work into "radio blowhard" on track, "School Board"
on track, the possibilities are there.
THANKS STUMPY,

Jim Lyle

In a message dated 1/17/2010 10:13:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
romoyer@att. net writes:

Yo Stumpy:

It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams
Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK they were
Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the sixties.

Regards

Bob Moyer
------------ -- Original message from "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@comcast. net>:
------------ --

I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up
with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized
modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The
Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take
up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track."
;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of
a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be
decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so
they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing,
the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of
electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other
accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra
cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin
off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track."
My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional
pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision. " The possible variations are
endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58523 From: Dave Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: NEW Decal Sets
We have just added 5 new sets of decals to our more than 600 "S" scale in stock decals. Here are the NEW ONES: 1.#18133 ACL Wood Sheathed, Ventilated BC 2. #17397 ACL Wood Sheathed BC 3. #10780 Central Of Georgia Pulp Wood FC 4. #8111 M.D.T. Wood Sheathed Reefer 5. #43766 ACL Wood Sheathed BC. Thank you for your cotinuing support.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58524 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
I supppose thecongessman idea is very closely related as if you hit a real cow on the track there would be cow s--- everywhere and the congressman collision would surely result in bull s--- everywhere! Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!



Stumpy has given me a great idea, "CONGRESSMAN on Track". The train,
regardless of approach speed would "peg" and hit the congressman full bore. IF
the little part could be found, itcould be set up for another revolution.
This could eventually work into "radio blowhard" on track, "School Board"
on track, the possibilities are there.
THANKS STUMPY,

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/17/2010 10:13:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
romoyer@... writes:

Yo Stumpy:

It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams
Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK they were
Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the sixties.

Regards

Bob Moyer
-------------- Original message from "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...>:
--------------

I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up
with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized
modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The
Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take
up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track."
;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of
a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be
decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so
they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing,
the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of
electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other
accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra
cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin
off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track."
My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional
pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision." The possible variations are
endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58525 From: David Dewey Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Chat tonite, I might not be there--but good excuse--TRAINS!
Hi All,
Our Sacramento Valley AF Club "holiday party" is today, so we might not be back home in time for chat--BTW it is RAINING here!! The storm gate is open and we are finally going to get some wet weather!
So, for all my chat friends a little news from Dewey Mountain:
I've been working on the HOUSE!! Might even have a new window installed by tomorrow (one down, five to go). For those of you who don't know my (loooong) story; my train room is filled with stuff for the house and that will go into the house if I ever finish the repairs. "What's taking so long?" you ask. Um, well, besides finding other "more interesting" things to do, it's this @!#@!! house! The new window is the same size as the old window--OK, just R&R, right? WRONG! Load bearing wall, and no header above the window (explaining the sag there). Hmm, not even a solid stud from sill to top plate--the guy cut it to put in the window sill. And the 2x4 on top? It's toe-nailed into the partial stud. So, after a day or so of rebuilidng, I think I can now R&R the window. Wish me luck. . . .
The good news is, now that I've done this one, I know what I'll have to do for the rest of them!
Barb had the right idea, tear down and start all over--it's faster!
So, if you're still reading this, and don't attend Chat--drop in, we're a great bunch; and we sometimes even talk about trains! :) (dont' shoot me for that one Barb! ).
Starts at 8 Eastern time, runs to ?? (usually about 8 Pacific time).
Run 'em if ya got 'em!!
S'
David D.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58526 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
They already stole the coffee.

Jim


In a message dated 1/17/2010 12:37:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Just lock them up in your cold train room above your garage, as you can
serve them COLD frozen coffee. LOL



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58527 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Hi Bob,

Movie? TV?

Us old fa*ts remember Charles Addams as the cartoonist who created all those strange and creepy characters. I was first introduced to Addams' work when as a kid I started looking at a book of his cartoons while waiting to get fitted for glasses. There was always a wait at my optician's office, so over several years I was able to read and reread the whole book. The school bus stalled on the RR tracks was there as well as a cartoon depicting the fat kid's sister completely bound with rope and tied to the tracks while the toy train steamed down upon her. My favorite one though was of a huge elaborate trestle-like structure that led the chugging train up off the floor of the upper-story room and out through an open window.

Jerry




-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of romoyer@...
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:30 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!



Yo Stumpy:

It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK they were Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the sixties.

Regards

Bob Moyer
-------------- Original message from "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...>: --------------

I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track." ;-)
"School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so they could survive "hours of playing fun."
The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing, the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra cost.
With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track." My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision." The possible variations are endless! :-)
Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58528 From: Rance and Bente Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Hi all:
Remember, this isn't a group for political comments - save them for the
appropriate groups (or off line if you just can't hold them in because
they are so titillating).
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Robert Conner wrote:
>
>
> SPEED UP THE TRAIN
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob
>
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, michael prell <mlprell@...
> <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> From: michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 1:04 PM
>
>
>
> Hi. Gang!
> A few years ago when I first got back into AF and my kids were small,
> I had misplaced the cow and my Son came up with the idea of a
> dinosaure on the track! Yup! Tyrantosaurus!
> Worked great. Luckily I later found the cow and put it away for future
> use. Here's another.
> What about OSAMA ON THE TRACK?
> Mike
>
>
> Break out the Katanas, Folks!
> The inmates are running the institution!
>
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
> wrote:
>
> From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:26 PM
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> naughty, naughty.
>
> LOL
>
> Just lock them up in your cold train room above your garage, as you
> can serve them COLD frozen coffee. LOL
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
>
> Stumpy has given me a great idea, "CONGRESSMAN on Track". The train,
> regardless of approach speed would "peg" and hit the congressman full
> bore. IF
> the little part could be found, itcould be set up for another revolution.
> This could eventually work into "radio blowhard" on track, "School Board"
> on track, the possibilities are there.
> THANKS STUMPY,
>
> Jim Lyle
>
> In a message dated 1/17/2010 10:13:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> romoyer@att. net writes:
>
> Yo Stumpy:
>
> It sounds like you are the inspiration for Gomez Adams in the Adams
> Family. Anyone remember the toy train scenes from the first movie? (OK
> they were
> Lionel) I believe they were also featured in the TV series in the
> sixties.
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Moyer
> ------------ -- Original message from "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@comcast.
> net>:
> ------------ --
>
> I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have
> come up
> with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized
> modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the
> train! (The
> Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
> I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take
> up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track."
> ;-)
> "School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front
> half of
> a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base
> would be
> decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so
> they could survive "hours of playing fun."
> The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after
> passing,
> the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this
> era of
> electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other
> accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered
> at extra
> cost.
> With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin
> off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on
> Track."
> My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional
> pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision. " The possible
> variations are
> endless! :-)
> Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.
>
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>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58529 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/17/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday January 17, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58530 From: Alan Evans Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Pat,



Tomar Industries in Michigan makes HO scale lighted marker
lights that are large for HO but right for S.



- Alan



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of preardon4girls
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:24 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper marker lights





I would like to add marker lights (similar to the S-Helper cabooses) to some
of my other cabooses and passenger/observation car. Does anyone know where I
might be able to locate something like these so that I could add rear-end
lighting? I'm thinking maybe either LED or fiber optics for a light source.

Pat, in Maine





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58531 From: Larry Asp Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Maybe a loose wire from the tender. Did you try it on your own track again?
----- Original Message -----
From: <WJJIM@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SLOW ATLANTIC?


> Check for a linkage screw catching a rod--brushes &/or springs, dirty
> pick
> up wheels, loose tire on driver, loose wheel on axel--
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
> In a message dated 1/17/2010 11:42:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mkperks@... writes:
>
> Any ideas for general troubleshooting on an Atlantic?
> My 302 ran like a champ around the tree for the last two months, but when
> I took it to my father's house where the permanent layout is, it was
> running slowly and a little bit jerky. My first thought was that the
> linkage was
> bent and was rubbing, but I tried bending it away and it didn't seem to
> help. What else can I do?
> Thanks to everyone of all their help.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58532 From: Jerry Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Pat,

Alan is correct. I have an American Models heavyweight observation car that I put Tomar Industries HO marker lights on. They're a tad large for HO, so they're about right for S. They're fairly easy to install, and look great. As soon as I can find the photos of the car, I'll put them in the folder marked "Jerry's Trains". I wired them so they're on a constant voltage circuit.

Jerry Poniatowski

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Evans" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
>
>
> Tomar Industries in Michigan makes HO scale lighted marker
> lights that are large for HO but right for S.
>
>
>
> - Alan
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of preardon4girls
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:24 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper marker lights
>
>
>
>
>
> I would like to add marker lights (similar to the S-Helper cabooses) to some
> of my other cabooses and passenger/observation car. Does anyone know where I
> might be able to locate something like these so that I could add rear-end
> lighting? I'm thinking maybe either LED or fiber optics for a light source.
>
> Pat, in Maine
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58533 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Hey Matthew, If the linkage is not binding, and the Wheels are cleanof all crud, the next l place I would look is the track. I don't know what it is  with plastic weelsbut they cause a buildup on the track and all you need to do is use isoprophle alohol to clean the track.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer club
Arlingtin, Texas
--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Matthew <mkperks@...> wrote:


From: Matthew <mkperks@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] SLOW ATLANTIC?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 10:26 AM


 



Any ideas for general troubleshooting on an Atlantic?
My 302 ran like a champ around the tree for the last two months, but when I took it to my father's house where the permanent layout is, it was running slowly and a little bit jerky. My first thought was that the linkage was bent and was rubbing, but I tried bending it away and it didn't seem to help. What else can I do?
Thanks to everyone of all their help.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 58534 From: N Becker Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Remember the HO scale Aurora race cars? They had a piece of race track with HO rails at grade. Fun playing with speed of cars & train to see which got through the crossing unscathed. Today I don't think it was such a great idea teaching kids you can beat a train through a crossing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58535 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
I can close my eyes and still feel laying on the floor watching the train
roar down the track!!!! Remember how we used to put our head near the
track and watch it !!!!!
Oh well ... back to my memoriers...Oh well ... back to my
memoriers...<WBR>. Something a

Bob, Not that I can add anything original to this discussion. It struck me
as unusual that you mentioned this in a post right after I read this from
a friend's e mail depicting the Darwin awards for 2009;

5.. A teenager was in the hospital recovering from serious head wounds
received from an oncoming train. When asked how he received the injuries,
the lad told police that he was simply trying to see how close he could
get his head to a moving train before he was hit.

Not that it's about toy trains. . .


Carlton





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58536 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Thanks Jerry and Alan, and everyone else. I'll try Tomar.

Pat, in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper marker lights



Pat,

Alan is correct. I have an American Models heavyweight observation car that I put Tomar Industries HO marker lights on. They're a tad large for HO, so they're about right for S. They're fairly easy to install, and look great. As soon as I can find the photos of the car, I'll put them in the folder marked "Jerry's Trains". I wired them so they're on a constant voltage circuit.

Jerry Poniatowski

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Evans" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
>
>
> Tomar Industries in Michigan makes HO scale lighted marker
> lights that are large for HO but right for S.
>
>
>
> - Alan
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of preardon4girls
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:24 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper marker lights
>
>
>
>
>
> I would like to add marker lights (similar to the S-Helper cabooses) to some
> of my other cabooses and passenger/observation car. Does anyone know where I
> might be able to locate something like these so that I could add rear-end
> lighting? I'm thinking maybe either LED or fiber optics for a light source.
>
> Pat, in Maine
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58537 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Carlton..... Of course I was refering to my AF 302 passenger set Santa brought me in 1948.... And It still runs!!!! Bob

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> wrote:


From: Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:22 AM


 





I can close my eyes and still feel laying on the floor watching the train
roar down the track!!!! Remember how we used to put our head near the
track and watch it !!!!!
Oh well ... back to my memoriers... Oh well ... back to my
memoriers... <WBR>. Something a

Bob, Not that I can add anything original to this discussion. It struck me
as unusual that you mentioned this in a post right after I read this from
a friend's e mail depicting the Darwin awards for 2009;

5.. A teenager was in the hospital recovering from serious head wounds
received from an oncoming train. When asked how he received the injuries,
the lad told police that he was simply trying to see how close he could
get his head to a moving train before he was hit.

Not that it's about toy trains. . .

Carlton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58538 From: michael robinson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: sound button
i all ways say look and u will fined ,did fined 1 after all



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58539 From: Jerry Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Pat,

I finally found one of the photos I took. It's in the "Jerry's Trains" folder. From time to time, I'll add a few more of the better ones. The car is an AM heavyweight observation in which I installed an interior which is a modified American Models Budd interior. Ron sells them separately, and I found a way to install these interiors in a coach using only three cuts. The observation car is kit bashed heavily. But the prep is a bit complicated. I think it's worth it, though.

Jerry

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> Thanks Jerry and Alan, and everyone else. I'll try Tomar.
>
> Pat, in Maine
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.......As soon as I can find the photos of the car, I'll put them in the folder marked "Jerry's Trains". ....
>
> Jerry Poniatowski
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58540 From: michael prell Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Zippy Reality
Sometime last summer, Mike Marmer got me hooked on Zippy The Pinhead! I admit it. And no I do not have that much time on my hands, not for Zippy anyway. With all of the recent discussion about Quality, Lionel & American Flyer that's been going on, yesterday's Sunday edition of Zippy nailed it! "If Its Shiny, It Sells" Take a look and tell me I'm wrong.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58541 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Yes, I certainly remember those Aurora Model Motoring sets in HO. We used up a lot of HO slot cars back then, and not just at the grade crossing section! (Actually I used up a lot of slot cars in three different scales over the years!)
I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel that we shouldn't expose children to such behavior because it is dangerous and juvenile (well, we WERE kids then!)
But the times were different. One difference was that many of us grew up around REAL trains and REAL cars, so we knew better than to do the stupid stuff some young folks do today. We didn't have TV like Beevis and Butthead or Jackass that championed stupidity as mainstream.
While we played rough with some of our toys, we also grew up with lead based paint, unlocked kitchen cupboards, and a three hundred pound black and white TV on a rickety table. We played all sorts of "dangerous" games like football and kick the can, and raced our bicycles and climbed trees and got hurt. You learned the difference between fantasy and reality real quick back then!
Today, sometimes we seem to go overboard sheltering our children from failure and injury. We let them play computer games that allow them to steal cars and fight wars and do it without learning that these things can't be fixed by hitting a reset button in real life.
When I originally wrote this thread, I did it for humor, not as a statement. But by a few e-mails I've gotten and a couple of posts here, I guess there are people with zero sense of humor on this Group.
I do have to grow old, but I don't have to grow up....after all, I still play with trains!
Stumpy Stone...still a kid at heart...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58542 From: Monte Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Reverse loops
The Atlas #200 snap relay is identical to the American Flyer reverse relay except that it has a second set of contacts. There is a wiring diagram at: http://www.tuveson.com/AtlasReverseLoopRelay/ac_reverse_loop_relay.htm

This page incorectly states that either an Atlas switch machine or a snap relay can be used. The switch machine does not have any relay contacts so it wuill not work. You need to use the # 200 snap relay. They can be obtained at many hobby shops or on line for around $10.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58543 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Zippy Reality
Mike,

LOL

Glad to hear I got another train person hooked on the pinhead. Isn't he lovable. LOL

You know, my town's other name is Dinburg, MD that Zippy visit's as it is in MD, as he said that in the first strip about Dinburg back in 2008.

And yes, the Pinheads Baseball team is very excited about the backstop that will be finally be made very soon.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: michael prell
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:06 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Zippy Reality



Sometime last summer, Mike Marmer got me hooked on Zippy The Pinhead! I admit it. And no I do not have that much time on my hands, not for Zippy anyway. With all of the recent discussion about Quality, Lionel & American Flyer that's been going on, yesterday's Sunday edition of Zippy nailed it! "If Its Shiny, It Sells" Take a look and tell me I'm wrong.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58544 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Maybe not such a good idea but it sure was fun. And most of the people of my age seem to know it's not a good idea to try to beat trains so maybe it was educational. Just like I won't build a log cabin on the tracks after my Lincoln Logs/American Flyer experiences.

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From: N Becker <nabecker@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:08 PM


 



Remember the HO scale Aurora race cars? They had a piece of race track with HO rails at grade. Fun playing with speed of cars & train to see which got through the crossing unscathed. Today I don't think it was such a great idea teaching kids you can beat a train through a crossing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58545 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Zippy Reality
http://www.newsok.com/entertainment/comics?feature_id=Zippy_the_Pinhead&feature_date=2010-01-17

Hit the zoom button, as this is great.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: michael prell
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:06 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Zippy Reality



Sometime last summer, Mike Marmer got me hooked on Zippy The Pinhead! I admit it. And no I do not have that much time on my hands, not for Zippy anyway. With all of the recent discussion about Quality, Lionel & American Flyer that's been going on, yesterday's Sunday edition of Zippy nailed it! "If Its Shiny, It Sells" Take a look and tell me I'm wrong.
subscribez@...


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58546 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper marker lights
Nice job Jerry! You have inspired me to get the cars I have started
interiors within finished!

Thanks!
Bill Winans


I finally found one of the photos I took. It's in the "Jerry's Trains"
folder.
Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 58547 From: michael prell Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Just for grins, I wonder how a wall of lego's would stand up. Roll that K-5!
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:04 PM


 



Maybe not such a good idea but it sure was fun. And most of the people of my age seem to know it's not a good idea to try to beat trains so maybe it was educational. Just like I won't build a log cabin on the tracks after my Lincoln Logs/American Flyer experiences.

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From: N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:08 PM

 

Remember the HO scale Aurora race cars? They had a piece of race track with HO rails at grade. Fun playing with speed of cars & train to see which got through the crossing unscathed. Today I don't think it was such a great idea teaching kids you can beat a train through a crossing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58548 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Stumpy..... I HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!!! SO KEEP IT UP !!!!!!!!
I enjoy the bickering, and most comments.... Yes I would like to talk about Bevis and Butthead.... The Washington pair for many reasons.....
But the other day a nerve really struck with me..... Was in an old MAYAN RUIN... they disappeared around 1500 ad.....
Those who forget HISTORY are doomed to repeat it.....
Send me a link to your site.... can't find it.... Bob
 
Heading to Roundup again.... thats Montana

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Cow on Track, a wacky idea
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:21 AM


 



Yes, I certainly remember those Aurora Model Motoring sets in HO. We used up a lot of HO slot cars back then, and not just at the grade crossing section! (Actually I used up a lot of slot cars in three different scales over the years!)
I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel that we shouldn't expose children to such behavior because it is dangerous and juvenile (well, we WERE kids then!)
But the times were different. One difference was that many of us grew up around REAL trains and REAL cars, so we knew better than to do the stupid stuff some young folks do today. We didn't have TV like Beevis and Butthead or Jackass that championed stupidity as mainstream.
While we played rough with some of our toys, we also grew up with lead based paint, unlocked kitchen cupboards, and a three hundred pound black and white TV on a rickety table. We played all sorts of "dangerous" games like football and kick the can, and raced our bicycles and climbed trees and got hurt. You learned the difference between fantasy and reality real quick back then!
Today, sometimes we seem to go overboard sheltering our children from failure and injury. We let them play computer games that allow them to steal cars and fight wars and do it without learning that these things can't be fixed by hitting a reset button in real life.
When I originally wrote this thread, I did it for humor, not as a statement. But by a few e-mails I've gotten and a couple of posts here, I guess there are people with zero sense of humor on this Group.
I do have to grow old, but I don't have to grow up....after all, I still play with trains!
Stumpy Stone...still a kid at heart...in Appalachia.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 58549 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Amen to growing old but not growing up. take at least 1 day a month to act like your shoe size rather than real age. We had fun and learned life lessons, learned to use our problem solving skills as well as imaginations, and learned there is no do over or reset button in real life.  The cow on track idea also caused me to think of another idea that could make a fortune. Let's clone & make only the front end of horses and send them to Washington for assembly!

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Cow on Track, a wacky idea
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:21 AM


 



Yes, I certainly remember those Aurora Model Motoring sets in HO. We used up a lot of HO slot cars back then, and not just at the grade crossing section! (Actually I used up a lot of slot cars in three different scales over the years!)
I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel that we shouldn't expose children to such behavior because it is dangerous and juvenile (well, we WERE kids then!)
But the times were different. One difference was that many of us grew up around REAL trains and REAL cars, so we knew better than to do the stupid stuff some young folks do today. We didn't have TV like Beevis and Butthead or Jackass that championed stupidity as mainstream.
While we played rough with some of our toys, we also grew up with lead based paint, unlocked kitchen cupboards, and a three hundred pound black and white TV on a rickety table. We played all sorts of "dangerous" games like football and kick the can, and raced our bicycles and climbed trees and got hurt. You learned the difference between fantasy and reality real quick back then!
Today, sometimes we seem to go overboard sheltering our children from failure and injury. We let them play computer games that allow them to steal cars and fight wars and do it without learning that these things can't be fixed by hitting a reset button in real life.
When I originally wrote this thread, I did it for humor, not as a statement.. But by a few e-mails I've gotten and a couple of posts here, I guess there are people with zero sense of humor on this Group.
I do have to grow old, but I don't have to grow up....after all, I still play with trains!
Stumpy Stone...still a kid at heart...in Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58550 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
A friend from childhood had something similar to Legos. The carnage when struck by his Lionel F units was impressive.

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From: michael prell <mlprell@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:40 PM


 



Just for grins, I wonder how a wall of lego's would stand up. Roll that K-5!
Mike

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:04 PM

 

Maybe not such a good idea but it sure was fun. And most of the people of my age seem to know it's not a good idea to try to beat trains so maybe it was educational. Just like I won't build a log cabin on the tracks after my Lincoln Logs/American Flyer experiences.

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

From: N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:08 PM

 

Remember the HO scale Aurora race cars? They had a piece of race track with HO rails at grade. Fun playing with speed of cars & train to see which got through the crossing unscathed. Today I don't think it was such a great idea teaching kids you can beat a train through a crossing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58551 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Or how about a CORNFIELD MEET with 2 Casey Jones!!!!!!! Bob

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:


From: michael prell <mlprell@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:40 PM


 



Just for grins, I wonder how a wall of lego's would stand up. Roll that K-5!
Mike

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:04 PM

 

Maybe not such a good idea but it sure was fun. And most of the people of my age seem to know it's not a good idea to try to beat trains so maybe it was educational. Just like I won't build a log cabin on the tracks after my Lincoln Logs/American Flyer experiences.

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

From: N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:08 PM

 

Remember the HO scale Aurora race cars? They had a piece of race track with HO rails at grade. Fun playing with speed of cars & train to see which got through the crossing unscathed. Today I don't think it was such a great idea teaching kids you can beat a train through a crossing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58552 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
OK..... WHO'S GONNA BE THE FIRST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob

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From: michael prell <mlprell@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:40 PM


 



Just for grins, I wonder how a wall of lego's would stand up. Roll that K-5!
Mike

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:04 PM

 

Maybe not such a good idea but it sure was fun. And most of the people of my age seem to know it's not a good idea to try to beat trains so maybe it was educational. Just like I won't build a log cabin on the tracks after my Lincoln Logs/American Flyer experiences.

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

From: N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:08 PM

 

Remember the HO scale Aurora race cars? They had a piece of race track with HO rails at grade. Fun playing with speed of cars & train to see which got through the crossing unscathed. Today I don't think it was such a great idea teaching kids you can beat a train through a crossing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58553 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Hey Stumpy,

Everytime I hear the "Toys are Us" jingle, I know they are playing my tune re: "I'll never grow up, I'm a Toys are Us kid....."
Pat, in (very snowy) Maine


----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:21 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Cow on Track, a wacky idea



Yes, I certainly remember those Aurora Model Motoring sets in HO. We used up a lot of HO slot cars back then, and not just at the grade crossing section! (Actually I used up a lot of slot cars in three different scales over the years!)
I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel that we shouldn't expose children to such behavior because it is dangerous and juvenile (well, we WERE kids then!)
But the times were different. One difference was that many of us grew up around REAL trains and REAL cars, so we knew better than to do the stupid stuff some young folks do today. We didn't have TV like Beevis and Butthead or Jackass that championed stupidity as mainstream.
While we played rough with some of our toys, we also grew up with lead based paint, unlocked kitchen cupboards, and a three hundred pound black and white TV on a rickety table. We played all sorts of "dangerous" games like football and kick the can, and raced our bicycles and climbed trees and got hurt. You learned the difference between fantasy and reality real quick back then!
Today, sometimes we seem to go overboard sheltering our children from failure and injury. We let them play computer games that allow them to steal cars and fight wars and do it without learning that these things can't be fixed by hitting a reset button in real life.
When I originally wrote this thread, I did it for humor, not as a statement. But by a few e-mails I've gotten and a couple of posts here, I guess there are people with zero sense of humor on this Group.
I do have to grow old, but I don't have to grow up....after all, I still play with trains!
Stumpy Stone...still a kid at heart...in Appalachia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58554 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Need your prayers
Another of our PVMR/TCA/Keystone member/volunteers is headed to heart
surgery. Paul Herr, NTTM Parking Crew member, NTTM volunteer, PVMR member
is facing Heart Surgery tomorrow (Tuesday) AM. Surgery will be at his
alma mater, University of Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, time as yet unknown.

Asking that you join with us in keeping Paul and his family in your
thoughts and prayers during this time.

Thank You,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58555 From: michael prell Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
CATCH THE SPIRIT! CRASH SOMETHING!


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 3:09 PM


 



Or how about a CORNFIELD MEET with 2 Casey Jones!!!!!!! Bob

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:40 PM

 

Just for grins, I wonder how a wall of lego's would stand up. Roll that K-5!
Mike

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:04 PM

 

Maybe not such a good idea but it sure was fun. And most of the people of my age seem to know it's not a good idea to try to beat trains so maybe it was educational. Just like I won't build a log cabin on the tracks after my Lincoln Logs/American Flyer experiences.

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

From: N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal . net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:08 PM

 

Remember the HO scale Aurora race cars? They had a piece of race track with HO rails at grade. Fun playing with speed of cars & train to see which got through the crossing unscathed. Today I don't think it was such a great idea teaching kids you can beat a train through a crossing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58556 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Need your prayers
Jim.... Will do.... I have been seeing so many answers to Prayer lately.... So many....
Hows your knees? Bob

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From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Need your prayers
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com, CAMPER279@..., BollingerFamily@..., chirschmannprr@..., gartrain404@..., dpdb@..., hctaylor@..., lbstiles@..., davidtmartin@..., PennStateRay@..., Paisley318@..., macnair@..., scott@..., locodave2@..., choochuck@..., George.Lumas@..., jastrains@..., boo@..., dnettling@..., rontrain@..., groff@...
Cc: honeynsir@..., hankworrell@..., tomburns824@..., dp1902a@..., hweinhold@...
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:45 PM


 



Another of our PVMR/TCA/Keystone member/volunteers is headed to heart
surgery. Paul Herr, NTTM Parking Crew member, NTTM volunteer, PVMR member
is facing Heart Surgery tomorrow (Tuesday) AM. Surgery will be at his
alma mater, University of Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, time as yet unknown.

Asking that you join with us in keeping Paul and his family in your
thoughts and prayers during this time.

Thank You,

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58557 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: Need your prayers
Still shot, Orthopod has refused to write letter for SS disability.
UNLESS, of Course, I give him more money.

Jim


In a message dated 1/18/2010 8:18:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rcon7@... writes:

Hows your knees? Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58558 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Mike Reagan at Lionel CARES
I guess I'll have to write him since Matt Ashba has not answered my email from a week ago. It makes me wonder if Lionel does give a fat rat's patoot. I'm not asking for warranty work or replacement parts, just an acknowledgement that there is a problem
 
Bob Hendrickson


--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:


From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Mike Reagan at Lionel CARES
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MREAGAN@...
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 4:02 PM


 




Friends,
 
I have just been in contact with Mike Reagan at Lionel. He initiated contact with m (probably because I have a big mouth) From our brief email conversation, I believe he is truly concerned about Lionel's Quality Control issues and their Customer Service Department.
 
As I have taken the time to openly criticize the short-comings on these groups, I also feel when someone opens a dialog to show a real interest, I need to point that out as well.
 
Since I have already started the repair process on my own, I willingly acknowledge that I have voided any warranty I might have had on my 934 boxcar. I made that choice.
 
I hope those of you that have had similar problems will contact Mike off-list as well. He is monitoring the list but personal emails to alert him of problems with their products is appropriate. I do not have another source for customer service at Lionel but his email address is MREAGAN@LIONEL. COM
 
He might not have time to respond immediately but from my initial impression, he is trying to move Lionel customer service in the right direction. I'm willing to think positively based on his replies to my emails and statements. It appears that Lionel has the right man for the job in his position. NO, I did not get any special treatment or compensation for my involvement, nor do I expect any. I just want future buyers of American Flyer to have the same fun I have had for over 55 years.
 
Nuff' said
 
Respectfully,
Nick Kulp

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58559 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
I had a friend make this suggestion years ago. I thought then, and still do, it is too dark. As a career firefighter, I have worked many a wreck where a train hit a vehicle. This is nothing funny about it. And to make that vehicle a school bus with children on board would send a very wrong message to children, for whom we run our trains. They could either think it is OK to try to beat a train at a crossing, or become too scared to ride a bus to school. There may be other alternatives that would be truly funny, but right now, I think the cow was, and is, the best idea. I would sure like to see someone make a good reproduction.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
> I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track." ;-)
> "School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so they could survive "hours of playing fun."
> The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing, the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra cost.
> With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track." My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision." The possible variations are endless! :-)
> Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58560 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
I can't believe I am adding to this e-mail...
Don

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4NcDl8OtM&feature=related
Group: S-Trains Message: 58561 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: A note to Lionel regarding quality considerations
This is a posting which I hope someone (in some position of authority) at Lionel reads. It is not just another complaint but offers a possible process to allow the customer's (i.e. we model railroaders)a feeling that they can talk to someone at Lionel about their problems with quality and that they are being heard.

First I recognize that any attempt to open a path through the barricades into a company is, in the mind's of many managers, NOT something that they want to do! It can be a terribly expensive proposition.

What I would suggest is a 'team' (perhaps only one member) of semi-official (but not employed by) Lionel representatives who monitor forum's such as this one. They would be the intermediary between the company and the customer - they would respond (if needed), they would distill information from the forums and send summaries to the company and they would carry information back to the forums. And they would probably not be identified as Lionel representatives!

Strange process but that is what is done on several other sites that I frequent e.g. the Adobe (of Adobe Photoshop, etc) forum's. Adobe seems to have no official customer support other than the forum's and, while a bit frustrating, at least user's have the forums. And some of the 'users' are on all the time and they speak with considerable expertise so I assume (also known as sticking my neck out) they are really 'sanctioned' by Adobe.

Anyways just thought I would throw this out. At the moment, I am not at all enamored with the idea of buying Flyonel for my fledgeling AF layout (on the other hand, we do have some other crackerjack vendors who seem to make very nice and high quality gear so all is not lost).

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 58562 From: Gene Cimino Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse loops
Monty, Can you use these for DC as well as AC?

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 58563 From: michael prell Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
Ok. I'll try again. GODZILLA ON A TRACK. Or how about a bus full of lawyers?
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote:


From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 7:39 AM


 



I had a friend make this suggestion years ago. I thought then, and still do, it is too dark. As a career firefighter, I have worked many a wreck where a train hit a vehicle. This is nothing funny about it. And to make that vehicle a school bus with children on board would send a very wrong message to children, for whom we run our trains. They could either think it is OK to try to beat a train at a crossing, or become too scared to ride a bus to school. There may be other alternatives that would be truly funny, but right now, I think the cow was, and is, the best idea. I would sure like to see someone make a good reproduction.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote:
>
> I always thought this was an amusing accessory for Gilbert to have come up with. However, I can see where some kids might make "unauthorized modifications" to allow the gigantic cow to actually be hit by the train! (The Gilbert cow must have been the offspring of Paul Bunyan's Blue Ox!)
> I can see an opportunity today for some enterprising manufacturer to take up where those kids left off with a new accessory: "School Bus on Track." ;-)
> "School Bus on Track" would work like a saloon door with the front half of a school bus on one side, and the back half on the other. The base would be decorated like a road crossing, complete with spring loaded crossbucks so they could survive "hours of playing fun."
> The train would "strike" the bus, "tearing it in half," and after passing, the bus would automatically reset for the next "collision." In this era of electronics, full lights and sound could be added. Just like other accessories, there could be an additional "pack of occupants" offered at extra cost.
> With the popularity of "School Bus on Track," there could be many "spin off" accessories, such as "Rest Home On The Way To The Casino Bus on Track." My favorite might be "Gasoline Tank Truck on Track" with optional pyrotechnics to be used only with "adult supervision. " The possible variations are endless! :-)
> Stumpy Stone...off my meds and sick, sick, sick...in Appalachia.
>











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58564 From: N Becker Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
We sure did some wacky things when younger....

I remember my brother taking a rubber band powered motor boat (already beyond repair), adding some lighter fluid then put a cherry bomb with two additional fuses in it. Lit the fuses and let her go out into the lake. Can you picture the flaming carnage? Wish we had video cameras back then.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58565 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Yikes!

No fresh Hamburger that day.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cow On Track



I can't believe I am adding to this e-mail...
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58566 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Yeah, but, the cow escapes!!!!!!
We want the Congressman to become a "flying object".

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/19/2010 10:58:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
don@... writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4NcDl8OtM&feature=related



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58567 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Remember SPEEDEE BILT AIRPLANE KITS???? I collect these things now!!! Wow... and you thought trains were expensive!!!!
Any way... I still remember my HELLCAT sailing out over the river with a FIRECRACKER in it.... flew great UNTIL!!!!!!!! I learned to remove the powder from the fuse and it would burn slowly.....Now those kits, then .79 - 1.00, can fetch up to 100.00 ... saw the Panther go the other day for 179
Bob

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, N Becker <nabecker@...> wrote:


From: N Becker <nabecker@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:26 AM


 



We sure did some wacky things when younger....

I remember my brother taking a rubber band powered motor boat (already beyond repair), adding some lighter fluid then put a cherry bomb with two additional fuses in it. Lit the fuses and let her go out into the lake. Can you picture the flaming carnage? Wish we had video cameras back then.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58568 From: Dave Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: AF #24006
We now have a decal set for the American Flyer #24006 GREAT NORTHERN box car.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58569 From: michael prell Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
Remember the Alpha 1 ballistic missile? A kid up the street and I each had one. One day we decided to declare war on each other, just for fun. Our mothers didn't think it was funny. Especially after one flew through a screen window. Ah, the sweet memories.
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:54 PM


 



Remember SPEEDEE BILT AIRPLANE KITS???? I collect these things now!!! Wow... and you thought trains were expensive!!! !
Any way... I still remember my HELLCAT sailing out over the river with a FIRECRACKER in it.... flew great UNTIL!!!!!!! ! I learned to remove the powder from the fuse and it would burn slowly.....Now those kits, then .79 - 1.00, can fetch up to 100.00 ... saw the Panther go the other day for 179
Bob

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:26 AM

 

We sure did some wacky things when younger....

I remember my brother taking a rubber band powered motor boat (already beyond repair), adding some lighter fluid then put a cherry bomb with two additional fuses in it. Lit the fuses and let her go out into the lake. Can you picture the flaming carnage? Wish we had video cameras back then.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58570 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
I also collect old car models, mostly racecars. I always tell my collecting friends, especially those with rare kits, that they owe me thanks for some of their kits rarity as many of them met their demise in fiery lighter fluid fueled wrecks. There were also many airplane kits that took suicide dives off the roof laden with fireworks. i remember once tossing a B 17 off the roof only for it to level out and begin flying as it picked up speed. Almost felt bad when it went kaboom ( I did say almost).
 
Bob Hendrickson


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:54 PM


 



Remember SPEEDEE BILT AIRPLANE KITS???? I collect these things now!!! Wow.... and you thought trains were expensive!!! !
Any way... I still remember my HELLCAT sailing out over the river with a FIRECRACKER in it.... flew great UNTIL!!!!!!! ! I learned to remove the powder from the fuse and it would burn slowly.....Now those kits, then .79 - 1.00, can fetch up to 100.00 ... saw the Panther go the other day for 179
Bob

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From: N Becker <nabecker@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow on Track, a wacky idea
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:26 AM

 

We sure did some wacky things when younger....

I remember my brother taking a rubber band powered motor boat (already beyond repair), adding some lighter fluid then put a cherry bomb with two additional fuses in it. Lit the fuses and let her go out into the lake. Can you picture the flaming carnage? Wish we had video cameras back then.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58571 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
If you really want to see "flying objects", watch these tests of unmanned
trains having intimate encounters with nuclear fuel flasks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as3VQeYfd2c

Jerry


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of WJJIM@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:57 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow On Track



Yeah, but, the cow escapes!!!!!!
We want the Congressman to become a "flying object".

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/19/2010 10:58:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
don@... writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4NcDl8OtM&feature=related

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58572 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: SHS REA Christmas Piggyback
No sure how it happened, but Friday the post office delivered two packages from SHS that had been floating around in the system for about 3 years. In one box was the REA Christmas Piggyback and the other box had an SHS accessory track and two sets of bumpers. Needless to say, I had already bought seconds of these and no longer need them. So I will be selling them for exactly what I paid for them plus actual shipping. I will be shipping UPS so you will actually get it in less than three years. Contact me OFFLINE for prices and photos if you want them. If you are a collector, neither of these has been out of the box.

Wayne Beachy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58573 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: A note to Lionel regarding quality considerations
Great idea. The only flaw I see is that it is too logical and makes too much sense for corporate minds to grasp.
 
Bob Hendrickson


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote:


From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] A note to Lionel regarding quality considerations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:36 AM


 



This is a posting which I hope someone (in some position of authority) at Lionel reads. It is not just another complaint but offers a possible process to allow the customer's (i.e. we model railroaders) a feeling that they can talk to someone at Lionel about their problems with quality and that they are being heard.

First I recognize that any attempt to open a path through the barricades into a company is, in the mind's of many managers, NOT something that they want to do! It can be a terribly expensive proposition.

What I would suggest is a 'team' (perhaps only one member) of semi-official (but not employed by) Lionel representatives who monitor forum's such as this one. They would be the intermediary between the company and the customer - they would respond (if needed), they would distill information from the forums and send summaries to the company and they would carry information back to the forums. And they would probably not be identified as Lionel representatives!

Strange process but that is what is done on several other sites that I frequent e.g. the Adobe (of Adobe Photoshop, etc) forum's. Adobe seems to have no official customer support other than the forum's and, while a bit frustrating, at least user's have the forums. And some of the 'users' are on all the time and they speak with considerable expertise so I assume (also known as sticking my neck out) they are really 'sanctioned' by Adobe.

Anyways just thought I would throw this out. At the moment, I am not at all enamored with the idea of buying Flyonel for my fledgeling AF layout (on the other hand, we do have some other crackerjack vendors who seem to make very nice and high quality gear so all is not lost).

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58574 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
Take a look at the other related video's, as one does not.

I do not understand the "political" stuff here lately.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow On Track



Yeah, but, the cow escapes!!!!!!
We want the Congressman to become a "flying object".

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/19/2010 10:58:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
don@... writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4NcDl8OtM&feature=related

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58575 From: michael prell Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
"Missed me by THAT much!" Maxwell SmartCow.


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cow On Track
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:43 AM


 



Yikes!

No fresh Hamburger that day.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cow On Track

I can't believe I am adding to this e-mail...
Don

http://www.youtube com/watch? v=mC4NcDl8OtM& feature=related

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58576 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: SHS REA Christmas Piggyback
Wayne,

We hear stories like this, how something's are delivered years and maybe decades later, but you never contacted SHS about the missing shipment as I am sure you paid for these two items?

I think Don sent them last week for you. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: rapidrail1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] SHS REA Christmas Piggyback



No sure how it happened, but Friday the post office delivered two packages from SHS that had been floating around in the system for about 3 years. In one box was the REA Christmas Piggyback and the other box had an SHS accessory track and two sets of bumpers. Needless to say, I had already bought seconds of these and no longer need them. So I will be selling them for exactly what I paid for them plus actual shipping. I will be shipping UPS so you will actually get it in less than three years. Contact me OFFLINE for prices and photos if you want them. If you are a collector, neither of these has been out of the box.

Wayne Beachy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58577 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track
On Jan 19, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Take a look at the other related video's, as one does not.


I was surprised so see just how many videos there were when I looked this morning!

I don't have a cow-on-track ..... I think I have some cows though.

Rick

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58578 From: Bob Groh Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Re: A note to Lionel regarding quality considerations
I agree! But hope springs eternal.

Bob Groh

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:17 PM, robert hendrickson <
canambob91710k@...> wrote:

>
>
> Great idea. The only flaw I see is that it is too logical and makes too
> much sense for corporate minds to grasp.
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58579 From: preardon4girls Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Coffee Table layout
This is (maybe) off S scale...but, sometime in the not too distant past, I read a magazine article about a small scale layout built into a glass topped coffee table. The layout, if I recall properly, was divided into 4 quarter sections. Each section represented a different season with the train running through the 4 seasons.
I've been searching for this article, but haven't been able to locate it and I want to pass it on to a modeling friend who still has eyesight enough to work in N scale. I think it may have been in S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains because these are the prevailing periodicals around my house. (But, it could be an other random train/modeling magazine that I picked up off the rack).
Has anyone else seen this article? And, if so, please point me in the right direction.

Thanks, in Advance,
Pat, in (still snowing) Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 58581 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Great Train Song
Hi All,

Here's another great train song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A2pRVyBmOY&feature=related

Listen carefully for all the train references. Enjoy!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58582 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Thanks for the memories...
Burning model planes and cars, shooting rockets at each other, blowing stuff up...Wow! I guess there were a lot of wacky kids besides me! It must have been growing up at movie theaters and watching all those war movies or going to the speedway every Friday night.
We tried a "Dive Bomber Crash" after seeing it done by an auto thrill show at the County Fair. Only we did it with a friend's Lionel Santa Fe diesels. Didn't work all that well until we borrowed track from every kid in the neighbohood who had Lionel and got enough straight sections to go the length of the hallway. (Having American Flyer, I was "above" such things with my trains.) ;-)
It was pretty spectacular, but could have been better without Magna-Traction!
And what do you supposed happened to all those kids who wrecked toy cars and trains? They are now being paid too much money to wreck REAL trains and trucks for the government! Either that, or they are now working in Hollywood!
I think it's all just part of growing up, nothing sinister at all. I mean, look what an upstanding citizen I've become... ;-)
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58583 From: Nick Kulp Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Contact at Lionel for Customer Service issues
Attn. Bob Groh,
 
I have forwarded your email to MIKE REAGAN at Lionel. I posted a message a week or so back with his name and email address. He is the person at the TOP of the Customer Service food chain. Again, his email address is;
MREAGAN@...
 
If those of you with issues refuse to contact him. The problem becomes ours, not Lionel's. Let's keep him aware of any problems, current or earlier.
 
Respectfully,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>>>
This is a posting which I hope someone (in some position of authority) at Lionel reads. It is not just another complaint but offers a possible process to allow the customer's (i.e. we model railroaders) a feeling that they can talk to someone at Lionel about their problems with quality and that they are being heard.

<snip>

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58584 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: The Olden Days
Stumpy,

While you were destroying your friends Lionel trains, we were hunting deer in the morning with 12 gauge shotguns, then throwing cherry bombs at each other in the afternoon. We took turns blowing up Prince Albert tobacco cans with fire crackers. When they became too damaged for that to be fun, we would then move up to cherry bombs. When they were pretty much blown to pieces we'd finish them off with the shotguns. The only time the dads got after us was if we got too loud and woke them from their afternoon naps!

Try turning an 11 or 12 year old loose today with fireworks and a shotgun and see how fast you end up under the jail.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58585 From: A E Johnson Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Coffee Table Empire
I recall two entirely different articles. One was in a woodworkers magazine,
maybe 5 years ago. The older one was in a Popular Mechanics or Popular
Science magazine 20 or 25 years ago. I don't have either article. But I
recall them. I thought that this was a really neat idea.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58586 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days
Bull.... We did have a good life then.... Drank water out of streams.... Roamed the woods.... took shotguns to school to take to a friends home later.... played in the street till well into the night by the streetlight.... Did so many things that were really stupid... yes hopped freights to town among other things.... Rode our bikes.... well pretty reckless at times.... AND YES GOT MY BUTT BUSTED MANY TIMES...... But my Dad still spent a weeks pay on my 342 ac set and accessories!!!! in 1950.... I guess at 71, soon 72, I need something simpler!!!!.... Oh Well.... Bob
--- On Tue, 1/19/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] The Olden Days
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:54 PM


 



Stumpy,

While you were destroying your friends Lionel trains, we were hunting deer in the morning with 12 gauge shotguns, then throwing cherry bombs at each other in the afternoon. We took turns blowing up Prince Albert tobacco cans with fire crackers. When they became too damaged for that to be fun, we would then move up to cherry bombs. When they were pretty much blown to pieces we'd finish them off with the shotguns. The only time the dads got after us was if we got too loud and woke them from their afternoon naps!

Try turning an 11 or 12 year old loose today with fireworks and a shotgun and see how fast you end up under the jail.

BG1








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Group: S-Trains Message: 58587 From: Scott Davidson Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
BG1,



I know 11/12 year olds that steal cars, blow up buildings, hunt people to
shoot..



All this of course in virtual reality using a gaming system or computer
system.



I think they would consider cherry bombs, fire crackers and other such
devices as boring..



I guess the world is changing..



Scott Dee









From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The Olden Days





Stumpy,

While you were destroying your friends Lionel trains, we were hunting deer
in the morning with 12 gauge shotguns, then throwing cherry bombs at each
other in the afternoon. We took turns blowing up Prince Albert tobacco cans
with fire crackers. When they became too damaged for that to be fun, we
would then move up to cherry bombs. When they were pretty much blown to
pieces we'd finish them off with the shotguns. The only time the dads got
after us was if we got too loud and woke them from their afternoon naps!

Try turning an 11 or 12 year old loose today with fireworks and a shotgun
and see how fast you end up under the jail.

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58588 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: SHS REA Christmas Piggyback
Hi Mike,

Yes, I immediately wrote SHS, but because of the holiday, just got a reply today, Wednesday. They are as befuddled as I am. I don't think they just sent me the items. (1) That is not the way SHS operates, and (2) The invoice and credit card slips were dated three years ago. On the other hand, however, I have an extensive history of the PO not getting my stuff to me. Several times a year, my neighbors bring my mail to me, or I take their mail to them, or I have to go looking for my mail. No need for finger pointing now, however, these guys just need a home.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Wayne,
>
> We hear stories like this, how something's are delivered years and maybe decades later, but you never contacted SHS about the missing shipment as I am sure you paid for these two items?
>
> I think Don sent them last week for you. O:)!
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rapidrail1
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:27 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] SHS REA Christmas Piggyback
>
>
>
> No sure how it happened, but Friday the post office delivered two packages from SHS that had been floating around in the system for about 3 years. In one box was the REA Christmas Piggyback and the other box had an SHS accessory track and two sets of bumpers. Needless to say, I had already bought seconds of these and no longer need them. So I will be selling them for exactly what I paid for them plus actual shipping. I will be shipping UPS so you will actually get it in less than three years. Contact me OFFLINE for prices and photos if you want them. If you are a collector, neither of these has been out of the box.
>
> Wayne Beachy
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58589 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: Coffee Table Empire
There is a gentleman in the Rocky Mountain area that takes orders to build custom N gauge coffee-table-sized layouts. They have a glass top over a small (maybe 2 X 3 ft.?) lay-out. I wasn't interested enough to get his name, but he has had a display at a couple of train shows in recent years. Perhaps posting this question on an "N" or "Z" site would prompt getting a reply with more information. Come to think of it, he may not LIVE in the Denver area, but he was at the show held in the Denver Stock Show Arena.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "A E Johnson" <bigfoot@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:19:22 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Coffee Table Empire






I recall two entirely different articles. One was in a woodworkers magazine,
maybe 5 years ago. The older one was in a Popular Mechanics or Popular
Science magazine 20 or 25 years ago. I don't have either article. But I
recall them. I thought that this was a really neat idea.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58590 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: PVMR Staff updates
Just spoke with Paul's wife Annabelle, Paul came thru surgery fine. Whole
process, once it started took over 10 hours, still lots of recovery time
in front of him. Both Paul and Annabelle asked me to THANK all of you for
your thoughts and prayers. No word on when he might be able to return to
the "White House" in Gap.

Dave Pierce update, Paul visited with Dave last week, Dave is recovering
nicely, one issue was to take him back to the hospital for an overnight
stay earlier this week, for "correction".


I want to THANK everyone for your thoughts and prayers regarding two great
friends.

Thank You,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58591 From: garyfr2003 Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Files ?
Hello, all,

I just found and joined this group, and was eagerly looking through the Files section for interesting items....seems that everything I've selected is 'not available.' Am I missing something, or is that a result of recent changes by Yahoo to limit files that are stored by groups ?

Curious...

Cheers,
Gary
Group: S-Trains Message: 58592 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: Cow On Track, a wacky idea!
I know you love us, don't you, but this is getting out of hand. :-)

I'll bet you didn't know that there are lawyers who are Flyer and S
enthusiasts?

Dale Smith
Attorney in California

michael prell wrote:
>
>
> Ok. I'll try again. ... Or how about a bus full of lawyers?
> Mike Prell
>
>
> Break out the Katanas, Folks!
> The inmates are running the institution!
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58593 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: Files ?
I can't say for sure ..... but I think Yahoo did some "house cleaning" a while back.

Rick



On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:43 AM, garyfr2003 wrote:

> Hello, all,
>
> I just found and joined this group, and was eagerly looking through the Files section for interesting items....seems that everything I've selected is 'not available.' Am I missing something, or is that a result of recent changes by Yahoo to limit files that are stored by groups ?
>
> Curious...
>
> Cheers,
> Gary
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58594 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Group Archives
The group archives have been messed up for at least several months now. There is a banner across the top of most messages refering to migrating groups to the new updated search . Yahoo strikes again with another upgrade!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58595 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Has anyone ever seen this book or have it? E-Bay #170435256947
Greenburg's
AMERICAN FLYER TRACK PLANS & OPER. INSTRUCTIONS


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58596 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Hi Mike,

Yes, seen it, have it, like many others on this list, but I believe it is out of print.

9.95 was a great price, as sometimes, I have seen out of print books for 10's or dollars and even in the hundred's.

I have a book that I got for five dollars on breeding tropical Angel fish, in the 1970's, that is out of print. I have seen a listing on Amazon or somewhere for it at $150.00 or so, as you can as many books as you want on breeding Angel fish. Why 150.00 I have no idea, greed, maybe. LOL

Wish I had ten of them, I would sell them for a 100 each. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION



Has anyone ever seen this book or have it? E-Bay #170435256947
Greenburg's
AMERICAN FLYER TRACK PLANS & OPER. INSTRUCTIONS

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58597 From: Bruce Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
Ya think?

Bruce



From: Scott Davidson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?



BG1,



I guess the world is changing..

Scott Dee

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The Olden Days

Stumpy,

While you were destroying your friends Lionel trains, we were hunting deer
in the morning with 12 gauge shotguns, then throwing cherry bombs at each
other in the afternoon. We took turns blowing up Prince Albert tobacco cans
with fire crackers. When they became too damaged for that to be fun, we
would then move up to cherry bombs. When they were pretty much blown to
pieces we'd finish them off with the shotguns. The only time the dads got
after us was if we got too loud and woke them from their afternoon naps!

Try turning an 11 or 12 year old loose today with fireworks and a shotgun
and see how fast you end up under the jail.

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58598 From: Bruce Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days
And, we're still alive! We didn't need anyone to protect ourselves from ourselves back then. I miss those days.

Bruce



From: Robert Conner
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Olden Days



Bull.... We did have a good life then.... Drank water out of streams.... Roamed the woods.... took shotguns to school to take to a friends home later.... played in the street till well into the night by the streetlight.... Did so many things that were really stupid... yes hopped freights to town among other things.... Rode our bikes.... well pretty reckless at times.... AND YES GOT MY BUTT BUSTED MANY TIMES...... But my Dad still spent a weeks pay on my 342 ac set and accessories!!!! in 1950.... I guess at 71, soon 72, I need something simpler!!!!.... Oh Well.... Bob
--- On Tue, 1/19/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] The Olden Days
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:54 PM



Stumpy,

While you were destroying your friends Lionel trains, we were hunting deer in the morning with 12 gauge shotguns, then throwing cherry bombs at each other in the afternoon. We took turns blowing up Prince Albert tobacco cans with fire crackers. When they became too damaged for that to be fun, we would then move up to cherry bombs. When they were pretty much blown to pieces we'd finish them off with the shotguns. The only time the dads got after us was if we got too loud and woke them from their afternoon naps!

Try turning an 11 or 12 year old loose today with fireworks and a shotgun and see how fast you end up under the jail.

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58599 From: Ed Date: 1/20/2010
Subject: City of Paris Department Store Layout, San Francisco CA
Does anyone have photos or track plan for the American Flyer display layout that used to be in the Mezzanine Toy Dept. at the City of Paris store on Union Square in the early through mid 1950s. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks....
Group: S-Trains Message: 58600 From: Bruce Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
There was a "smiley face" after my comment, but it didn't show up. I'm not that mean.

Bruce



From: Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:03 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?




Ya think?

Bruce

From: Scott Davidson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?

BG1,

I guess the world is changing..

Scott Dee

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The Olden Days

Stumpy,

While you were destroying your friends Lionel trains, we were hunting deer
in the morning with 12 gauge shotguns, then throwing cherry bombs at each
other in the afternoon. We took turns blowing up Prince Albert tobacco cans
with fire crackers. When they became too damaged for that to be fun, we
would then move up to cherry bombs. When they were pretty much blown to
pieces we'd finish them off with the shotguns. The only time the dads got
after us was if we got too loud and woke them from their afternoon naps!

Try turning an 11 or 12 year old loose today with fireworks and a shotgun
and see how fast you end up under the jail.

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58601 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Mike,

I have the book and it is OK. There are quite a few wiring diagrams,
but most of them you can get elsewhere, such as Doug Peck's repair
clinics or even R.F. Giardina's site. The track plans range from pretty
basic to real spaghetti bowls, all of which are for original sectional
Flyer track. (No wide radius) There is an interesting appendix which
lists car lengths for the purpose of determining siding capacities.

It's a nice book to have, but nowhere as informative as A.C. Gilbert's
Heritage, also out of print as I understand it, which has a collection
of very informative S-Gaugian articles.

Dale

anormal1@... wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone ever seen this book or have it? E-Bay #170435256947
> Greenburg's
> AMERICAN FLYER TRACK PLANS & OPER. INSTRUCTIONS
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58602 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Doctor's Office
My wife had to drive me to a doctor's appointment, a orthopedic group, since I just had major knee surgery.

She brought her food safely book along, as she has to take a test on that in March for her career, as she has been a dietician for 28 years.

However, she spotted a Thomas the Tank train magazine and read that instead.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58603 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: City of Paris Department Store Layout, San Francisco CA
I grew up in San Francisco in the 50's and don't even recall the City of
Paris carrying American Flyer. The big Flyer layout I recall was on the
6th floor of J.C. Penney's at 5th and Market Streets. It must have
been about 20 by 20 in an alcove. In those days I made the tours of all
the hobby shops and toy departments, including Penney's Emporium,
Macy's, and the White House. (White House carried Marklin,
exclusively.) Don't tell me now that I missed something way back then.
Maybe it was gone before I got old enough to get around.

Dale

Ed wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have photos or track plan for the American Flyer display
> layout that used to be in the Mezzanine Toy Dept. at the City of Paris
> store on Union Square in the early through mid 1950s. Any information
> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks....
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58604 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Train Show Saturday
Saturday and Sunday is a World's Greatest Train Show in Chantilly VA a suburb in the DC area.

The top radio station, WTOP, a all news station with very expensive rates for advertising, since it has the number one rating, has been running ads for the train show, of course paid by the show's group.

That is great.

Should be busy, I bet, in light of a recession.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58605 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Dear Mike,
SHS was at the last WGH show in Chantilly and it was very well
attended in spite of the blizzard on Saturday. If I remember
correctly, there were several S gauge layouts and lots of stuff to
see. I am sorry we missed it this year, but a week before West
Springfield, MA show at the Big E is not enough turn around time for
us. The NASG will have a booth there if you will be attending, be
sure to stop by and say hello.
Don



On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Saturday and Sunday is a World's Greatest Train Show in Chantilly VA
> a suburb in the DC area.
>
> The top radio station, WTOP, a all news station with very expensive
> rates for advertising, since it has the number one rating, has been
> running ads for the train show, of course paid by the show's group.
>
> That is great.
>
> Should be busy, I bet, in light of a recession.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58606 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Don,

thanks for the information, as there are going to be 15 layouts. The moderator from the TCA list, good friend, Dr. Joe, will be there and we will have lunch with him, as we met up in Pittsburgh two years ago. He will be with the Standard Gauge layout.

Thanks for the information about the NASG as I did rejoin last year.

I am sorry that Yoshi Oh will not be at the show. He should have his own booth.

Oh, there is a outdoor show going on at the same time. I might be able to get a gun. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show Saturday



Dear Mike,
SHS was at the last WGH show in Chantilly and it was very well
attended in spite of the blizzard on Saturday. If I remember
correctly, there were several S gauge layouts and lots of stuff to
see. I am sorry we missed it this year, but a week before West
Springfield, MA show at the Big E is not enough turn around time for
us. The NASG will have a booth there if you will be attending, be
sure to stop by and say hello.
Don

On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Saturday and Sunday is a World's Greatest Train Show in Chantilly VA
> a suburb in the DC area.
>
> The top radio station, WTOP, a all news station with very expensive
> rates for advertising, since it has the number one rating, has been
> running ads for the train show, of course paid by the show's group.
>
> That is great.
>
> Should be busy, I bet, in light of a recession.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58607 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Gold's Department Store?
Would anyone in the group remember going to Gold's in Lincoln, Nebraska, to see their American Flyer Train Lay-outs during the Christmas Season? I wish I would have taken a picture of them when I was a kid living in S.E. Nebraska. If anyone has a picture I could scan or purchase I would appreciate it?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58608 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Ah, those old memories...
Yes, we lived in a great time to be kids. Having worked in education from 1979 to 2007, I watched that going away. Fortunately, there were some kids who were interested in the days of my youth, or perhaps I was just a good enough story teller to make it interesting. But as time passed, there were less and less of them who gave a damn about anything.
I guess we should count our blessings that we grew up when we did, even though we were "nasty destructive hellions" by some people's opinions today.
As far as there being lawyers on the S Trains list...I have two friends here in Appalachia that are attornies, and I "beat up" on them verbally all the time! (The trade knows how people feel about them.) I tortured these guys about advertising in the phone book and on TV, and when one ran for public office, he REALLY got a ribbing!
When it's all in fun, there's no problem, but if they think you're serious, they'll "see you in court!"
I also have a friend that is a used car dealer, and another who is a used car salesman, who get abused fairly regularly as well.
There was a lot of fun for kids years ago, and I still try to have fun today. I hope everyone else is on that page as well, life today is tough enough without being depressed!
Stumpy Stone...thanks again for the memories, and those yet to be made!
Group: S-Trains Message: 58609 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Back to trains.... Airplane Load
Last July I left Roundup, Montana to go to Colorado Springs in July.... South of Billings I passed a 737 Fusulage on a Flat car... it had another flat in front and I think another in the back ... For overhang... Anybody know where I could find a photo of this to use to model with a bunch of extra flats I have... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58610 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Are you talking here about The Jeff Faust Book?

Nice little book, which is available at my local library

Rich




________________________________
From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:03:10 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION


Mike,

I have the book and it is OK. There are quite a few wiring diagrams,
but most of them you can get elsewhere, such as Doug Peck's repair
clinics or even R.F. Giardina's site. The track plans range from pretty
basic to real spaghetti bowls, all of which are for original sectional
Flyer track. (No wide radius) There is an interesting appendix which
lists car lengths for the purpose of determining siding capacities.

It's a nice book to have, but nowhere as informative as A.C. Gilbert's
Heritage, also out of print as I understand it, which has a collection
of very informative S-Gaugian articles.

Dale

anormal1@aol. com wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone ever seen this book or have it? E-Bay #170435256947
> Greenburg's
> AMERICAN FLYER TRACK PLANS & OPER. INSTRUCTIONS
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58611 From: sgaugian Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
In terms of the WGH show in Chantilly, here's a link to more
information WGH show Chantilly Jan 23-24 2010 <http://www.wghshow.com/>
The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club (BAAFC) will have their layout
set up. We (the W&OD Chapter of ACSG) were supposed to be there as
well, but there was a mix up in getting us registered for the show. (We
were there 3 weeks ago for Greenburg show January 2 and 3. and have set
up for previous WGH shows there). Should be fun although I don't see
some of the "usual" S-gauge dealers listed - - Frankie Merson, Gary
Clark, Fred Schaefer, Mick Martin, etc.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58612 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ah, those old memories...
STUMPY.... Almost all Proffessions get picked on sooner or later.... I once made a comment about ARCHITECTS!!!! DUH !!!!!! ( I am an Architect licensed in many states)
That now one pays attention to them..... REPLY
An Architect who had a Genie in a Bottle
An Architect who chased Aliens every week
An Architect who chased Girls
And Many others I forgot
And don't forget Charles Bronson!!!!
Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ah, those old memories...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 10:42 AM


 



Yes, we lived in a great time to be kids. Having worked in education from 1979 to 2007, I watched that going away. Fortunately, there were some kids who were interested in the days of my youth, or perhaps I was just a good enough story teller to make it interesting. But as time passed, there were less and less of them who gave a damn about anything.
I guess we should count our blessings that we grew up when we did, even though we were "nasty destructive hellions" by some people's opinions today.
As far as there being lawyers on the S Trains list...I have two friends here in Appalachia that are attornies, and I "beat up" on them verbally all the time! (The trade knows how people feel about them.) I tortured these guys about advertising in the phone book and on TV, and when one ran for public office, he REALLY got a ribbing!
When it's all in fun, there's no problem, but if they think you're serious, they'll "see you in court!"
I also have a friend that is a used car dealer, and another who is a used car salesman, who get abused fairly regularly as well.
There was a lot of fun for kids years ago, and I still try to have fun today. I hope everyone else is on that page as well, life today is tough enough without being depressed!
Stumpy Stone...thanks again for the memories, and those yet to be made!








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Group: S-Trains Message: 58613 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Oops, I did not realize that email from Don was on the S list, as I mention some things that probably would only make sense to Don and Me.

Make sure you visit the Mr Yoshi Oh yahoo group then. LOL Long silly story behind that.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show Saturday



Don,

thanks for the information, as there are going to be 15 layouts. The moderator from the TCA list, good friend, Dr. Joe, will be there and we will have lunch with him, as we met up in Pittsburgh two years ago. He will be with the Standard Gauge layout.

Thanks for the information about the NASG as I did rejoin last year.

I am sorry that Yoshi Oh will not be at the show. He should have his own booth.

Oh, there is a outdoor show going on at the same time. I might be able to get a gun. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show Saturday

Dear Mike,
SHS was at the last WGH show in Chantilly and it was very well
attended in spite of the blizzard on Saturday. If I remember
correctly, there were several S gauge layouts and lots of stuff to
see. I am sorry we missed it this year, but a week before West
Springfield, MA show at the Big E is not enough turn around time for
us. The NASG will have a booth there if you will be attending, be
sure to stop by and say hello.
Don

On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Saturday and Sunday is a World's Greatest Train Show in Chantilly VA
> a suburb in the DC area.
>
> The top radio station, WTOP, a all news station with very expensive
> rates for advertising, since it has the number one rating, has been
> running ads for the train show, of course paid by the show's group.
>
> That is great.
>
> Should be busy, I bet, in light of a recession.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58614 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Mr Yoshi Oh group has photos too.

LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show Saturday



Don,

thanks for the information, as there are going to be 15 layouts. The moderator from the TCA list, good friend, Dr. Joe, will be there and we will have lunch with him, as we met up in Pittsburgh two years ago. He will be with the Standard Gauge layout.

Thanks for the information about the NASG as I did rejoin last year.

I am sorry that Yoshi Oh will not be at the show. He should have his own booth.

Oh, there is a outdoor show going on at the same time. I might be able to get a gun. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show Saturday

Dear Mike,
SHS was at the last WGH show in Chantilly and it was very well
attended in spite of the blizzard on Saturday. If I remember
correctly, there were several S gauge layouts and lots of stuff to
see. I am sorry we missed it this year, but a week before West
Springfield, MA show at the Big E is not enough turn around time for
us. The NASG will have a booth there if you will be attending, be
sure to stop by and say hello.
Don

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> Saturday and Sunday is a World's Greatest Train Show in Chantilly VA
> a suburb in the DC area.
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> The top radio station, WTOP, a all news station with very expensive
> rates for advertising, since it has the number one rating, has been
> running ads for the train show, of course paid by the show's group.
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> Should be busy, I bet, in light of a recession.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58615 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Ah, but Fudgie Wudgie Junior will be there! LOL

Just what I need.

Actually thanks for the link to the show.

Still should be fun to go anyway.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: sgaugian
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Show Saturday




In terms of the WGH show in Chantilly, here's a link to more
information WGH show Chantilly Jan 23-24 2010 <http://www.wghshow.com/>
The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club (BAAFC) will have their layout
set up. We (the W&OD Chapter of ACSG) were supposed to be there as
well, but there was a mix up in getting us registered for the show. (We
were there 3 weeks ago for Greenburg show January 2 and 3. and have set
up for previous WGH shows there). Should be fun although I don't see
some of the "usual" S-gauge dealers listed - - Frankie Merson, Gary
Clark, Fred Schaefer, Mick Martin, etc.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58616 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ah, those old memories...
http://www.chuckbrodsky.com/clips/TalkToMyLawyerClip_mp3.mp3

Okay, this is for all the lawyers who like AF trains, as this is from a favorite folk singer.

Chuck Brodsky also has a ton of great baseball songs.

www.chuckbrodsky.com

Thanks for letting me post this, as I thought Dale and others might like the song. LOL

Thanks! Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ah, those old memories...



STUMPY.... Almost all Proffessions get picked on sooner or later.... I once made a comment about ARCHITECTS!!!! DUH !!!!!! ( I am an Architect licensed in many states)
That now one pays attention to them..... REPLY
An Architect who had a Genie in a Bottle
An Architect who chased Aliens every week
An Architect who chased Girls
And Many others I forgot
And don't forget Charles Bronson!!!!
Bob Conner

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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ah, those old memories...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 10:42 AM



Yes, we lived in a great time to be kids. Having worked in education from 1979 to 2007, I watched that going away. Fortunately, there were some kids who were interested in the days of my youth, or perhaps I was just a good enough story teller to make it interesting. But as time passed, there were less and less of them who gave a damn about anything.
I guess we should count our blessings that we grew up when we did, even though we were "nasty destructive hellions" by some people's opinions today.
As far as there being lawyers on the S Trains list...I have two friends here in Appalachia that are attornies, and I "beat up" on them verbally all the time! (The trade knows how people feel about them.) I tortured these guys about advertising in the phone book and on TV, and when one ran for public office, he REALLY got a ribbing!
When it's all in fun, there's no problem, but if they think you're serious, they'll "see you in court!"
I also have a friend that is a used car dealer, and another who is a used car salesman, who get abused fairly regularly as well.
There was a lot of fun for kids years ago, and I still try to have fun today. I hope everyone else is on that page as well, life today is tough enough without being depressed!
Stumpy Stone...thanks again for the memories, and those yet to be made!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58617 From: nsupbnsf Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Service (GAS) Station from K-Line by Lionel
The number 6-21384 K-Line by Lionel Service Station is a generic cream with green (2 shades) and red trim. In 1:64, this building measures out to 42 feet wide x 21 feet deep and the main roof is at 16 feet. While a supposedly 1/64 die cast Chevy Impala convertible is longer than allowed in either of the service bays, it is oversized anyway. The included gas pumps measure 6-1/2 feet tall, not totally unreasonable. All those cars will finally be able to gas up on my layout.

Alan Udy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58618 From: msperry45 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Need "AF" wye
Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.

The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.

So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.

tnx,
mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 58619 From: David Dewey Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: City of Paris Department Store Layout, San Francisco CA
Ed,
I don't have any idea of what the layout even looked like, I was too young--but your posting did remind me of Christmas in SF. There was the HUGE tree in the rotunda of the City of Paris--and I think the Emporium too. I do remember riding the train on the roof of the Emporium, and standing in a LOOOONG line to see Santa. Hmm, I wonder if mom has a picture of that? I do remember getting the piggy-back flat car there, but it was probably for my brothers (but guess who has it now?? Heh, heh, heh--the revenge of the younger brother--I ended up with ALL the trains! )
We would go down to the City about three times a year to see my eye doctor in the Fitzehugh building off Union Square (Wow, what a neat building--lobby at least two floors high, all in marble. Four Elevators, two on each side of a hallway with a call boy with his clapper. Elevator operators too! The elevator doors were glass, so you could see them coming and going, and could watch the cables and counterweights. The elevator itself just had a gate, and the floors were numbered between floors--this was all automated when I was about ten, I think (1963) and the building demolished around 1973? Anyways, I remember one trip where we took the Daylight and a streetcar to get to grampa's house in Walnut Creek. Most of the time I remember mom driving me down, and seeing all the bay bridge streetcars stored south of the old toll plaza--and I remember the tracks on the bridge! Egads, I'm OLD!
Back in those days, there were no eye doctors in the far Northern Calif. area, so it was a 5 hour car trip to SF, and much longer if we took the train. On one of those train trips, mom took me to the Vista Dome, and I was trailing behind her. She went into the vestibule and I followed, but the door closed behind her, leaving me in this dark, noisy place. Fortunately, I steped forward, and the automatic door re-opened--whew!!! Funny, I remember that more than watching the stars from the vista dome!
Ah memories, thank's for sparking them Ed! The City was a magical place back then--I even helped turn a cable car--they don't allow that today!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58620 From: Scott Davidson Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?
Bruce,



No problem...



I know we are all occasionally being sarcastic and humorous..



In writing, that can sometimes not be obvious.



But thanks for letting e know.



Keep on training.



Scott Dee

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?






There was a "smiley face" after my comment, but it didn't show up. I'm not
that mean.

Bruce

From: Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:03 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?

Ya think?

Bruce

From: Scott Davidson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] The Olden Days.... But. better times ahead....?

BG1,

I guess the world is changing..

Scott Dee

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] The Olden Days

Stumpy,

While you were destroying your friends Lionel trains, we were hunting deer
in the morning with 12 gauge shotguns, then throwing cherry bombs at each
other in the afternoon. We took turns blowing up Prince Albert tobacco cans
with fire crackers. When they became too damaged for that to be fun, we
would then move up to cherry bombs. When they were pretty much blown to
pieces we'd finish them off with the shotguns. The only time the dads got
after us was if we got too loud and woke them from their afternoon naps!

Try turning an 11 or 12 year old loose today with fireworks and a shotgun
and see how fast you end up under the jail.

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58621 From: race944t Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: GREENBURG BOOK QUESTION
Yes, I have 2 of them. Funny thing is I was packing one of them up to take to my next train show to sell. Now I know what they sell for and I won't even add the S/H if I sell it at the show.

"Banker" Bill

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever seen this book or have it? E-Bay #170435256947
> Greenburg's
> AMERICAN FLYER TRACK PLANS & OPER. INSTRUCTIONS
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58622 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Hi Mike,
� I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye.  Maybe some else in the group has that information.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, msperry45 <msperry59@...> wrote:

From: msperry45 <msperry59@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM







 









Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.



The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.



So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.



tnx,

mike

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58623 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
Flicker has a picture of the outside of the building in Lincoln. Wont help, but if you search on Google, Gold and Company Lincoln Nebraska, you will see it. A neat looking 7 story building or so.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth A Leahy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Gold's Department Store?



Would anyone in the group remember going to Gold's in Lincoln, Nebraska, to see their American Flyer Train Lay-outs during the Christmas Season? I wish I would have taken a picture of them when I was a kid living in S.E. Nebraska. If anyone has a picture I could scan or purchase I would appreciate it?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58624 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....
You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need
Will try to describe layout.....  L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight

Bob Conner
--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:


From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM


 



Hi Mike,
  I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye.  Maybe some else in the group has that information.
  Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net> wrote:

From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM

 

Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.

The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.

So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.

tnx,

mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58625 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Sorry... my diagram didn't come thru......
 
Take a left switch and add 1 curve to each leg fanning out.....on the left side leg put a left switch facing the curve from the original switch and on the right side leg put a right swirch... etc... a curve connects the two!!!! then add straights or curves as you like heading away!!!!
 
Bob
 


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From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:06 PM


 



I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....
You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need
Will try to describe layout.....  L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight

Bob Conner
--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM

 

Hi Mike,
  I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye.  Maybe some else in the group has that information.
  Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net> wrote:

From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM

 

Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.

The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.

So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.

tnx,

mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58626 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Hi Bob,
Did you get the instructions from a mag article or did you design everything yourself?
� Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:06 PM







 









I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....

You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need

Will try to describe layout..... L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight



Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM







Hi Mike,

I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye. Maybe some else in the group has that information.

Tom Seccia



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From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM



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Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.



The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.



So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.



tnx,



mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58627 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Bob,

Could you put the PDF file in the file section so all of us who are interested a wye can see it.

Jim


From: Robert Conner
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....
You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need
Will try to describe layout..... L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight

Bob Conner
--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM



Hi Mike,
I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye. Maybe some else in the group has that information.
Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net> wrote:

From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM

Â

Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.

The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.

So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.

tnx,

mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58628 From: richs009 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
Mike -- I do recall that Gold's had a Flyer layout at Christmastime. They were, in fact, the source of all of the early Flyer stuff I still have - a pretty standard Xmas gift from the time I was six to girls. They must have been one of the few distributors in Nebraska then - at least there wasn't anyone in Grand Island, which is where I grew up. I vaguely recall writing to AC Gilbert as a kid suggesting that they should consider making some of the diesels (E8s and F7s) and steam engines I would see along the main line of the UP (I was really interested in the monster 4-12-2 3 cylinder engines they were running then). I even dutifully sent them pictures cut from magazines.

Alas, I have no pictures from Gold's - if they still exist, maybe they have an archive?

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
>
> Would anyone in the group remember going to Gold's in Lincoln, Nebraska, to see their American Flyer Train Lay-outs during the Christmas Season? I wish I would have taken a picture of them when I was a kid living in S.E. Nebraska. If anyone has a picture I could scan or purchase I would appreciate it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58629 From: richs009 Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Back to trains.... Airplane Load
Bob -- checkout the website www.railpictures.net - which is a terrific site with lots of pictures of trains of all sorts (and from all over). It has a searchable archive, so if you type in Boeing as a search term you'll get some of the pictures of these plane trains, or try fuselage or airplane or ... Three photographers on the site have several such photos (there may be others, these are just the three I've seen) and you can search under their names: Jean-Marc Frybourgh, Stefan Loeb and David Schaaf.

- Rich

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>
> Last July I left Roundup, Montana to go to Colorado Springs in July.... South of Billings I passed a 737 Fusulage on a Flat car... it had another flat in front and I think another in the back ... For overhang... Anybody know where I could find a photo of this to use to model with a bunch of extra flats I have... Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58630 From: Randall Griggs Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Back to trains...Airplane Load
Back to trains.... Airplane Load



Posted by: "Robert Conner"
rcon7@... 





Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:59 am (PST)




Last July I left Roundup, Montana to go to Colorado Springs in July....
South of Billings I passed a 737 Fuselage on a Flat car... it had
another flat in front and I think another in the back ... For
overhang... Anybody know where I could find a photo of this to use
toツ�model with a bunch of extra flats I have... Bob


*****************
Bob,

Try Googling: "Boeing fuselage on train photos".  All sorts of photos will pop up. 

A little over a year ago, I toyed with the idea of making a "Boeing Train" using 1/72 scale 737 fuselages (an interesting 'load'), but found that the necessary 1/72 fuselage models were rather expensive.  Following is email correspondence I had with a British company that makes 1/72 Boeing 737 models:

From: "welshmodels"
<densilwade-at-welshmodels.co.uk>
To:
"Randall Griggs" <rlgriggs-at-bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 1:72 Scale Boeing 737 fuselage parts

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:09:12 -0000







Hi Randall
An unusual request but can supply at a cost of
£15.00 per fuselage plus handling & shipping - £3.75.
Payment is required by Visa or MasterCard.  When
sending card details use 2 emails splitting numbers
for security and also include the last 3 numbers on
the reverse of the card.  Full card holders name
and address is also required and shipping address if
different to the card.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Densil

----- Original Message -----
From: Randall
Griggs
To: densilwade@...

Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:25
AM
Subject: 1:72 Scale Boeing 737 fuselage
parts

Hello,

I ran across your WEB site while looking for 1:64
or 1:72 scale Boeing 737 models.  I am an 'S' gauge model railroader (1:64
scale) and have run across photos of Boeing 737 fuselages being transported on
special railroad flatcars.  It just seemed to be an interesting 'load' to model
for a model railroad.

The reference photos I have seen are located on the
WEB at:
     Boeing (737?) fuselage on flat car:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bnsf800121.jpg
,and:

     Boeing 737 fuselages on flat cars:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bnsf800023.jpg

I
would like to know if you would offer just the fuselages (as shown in the
prototype photos) of the earlier 737 (Models 737-200 to 737-500), as I would not
need any wings or other parts to model this interesting load.  In any case, I
would like to hear from you regarding this modeling possibility as your 1:72
scale model 737s are close enough to 1:64 scale to look quite
reasonable.

Thanks for your reply.

Very truly
yours,

Randall Griggs
Louisville, KY
eMail: rlgriggs-at-bellsouth.net



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58631 From: william yavelak Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
You probably want AF tubular track.... however, I suppose you could get one of the S-helper track to AF track adapters, use a Toms Turnouts WYE then switch back to AF track.  Tom's makes a selection of wyes seen here http://www.tomsturnouts.com/wyes.html%c2%a0.  
AF Track------adapter---Shelpertrack---Tom WYE--Shelper track---Adapter---AF Track.    
I have no knowledge of how well the adapters work, nor how well tom's wye's work.
An experienced model railroader can tell you whether this is silly or no.

No laughing.
dr y

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From: msperry45 <msperry59@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 11:24 AM
















 









Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.



The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.



So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.



tnx,

mike






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58632 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Bob sent me a copy of the PDF file and I posted it in the Files section for this group. It is under "AF Y PDF".

Jim


From: Robert Conner
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:24 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



Sorry... my diagram didn't come thru......

Take a left switch and add 1 curve to each leg fanning out.....on the left side leg put a left switch facing the curve from the original switch and on the right side leg put a right swirch... etc... a curve connects the two!!!! then add straights or curves as you like heading away!!!!

Bob


--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:06 PM



I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....
You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need
Will try to describe layout..... L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight

Bob Conner
--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM



Hi Mike,
I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye. Maybe some else in the group has that information.
Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net> wrote:

From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM

Â

Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.

The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.

So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.

tnx,

mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58633 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
Try contacting the Lincoln, Nebraska chamber of commerce, historical society, if they have one, etc. in asking if a photo exist. Newspaper.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: richs009
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gold's Department Store?



Mike -- I do recall that Gold's had a Flyer layout at Christmastime. They were, in fact, the source of all of the early Flyer stuff I still have - a pretty standard Xmas gift from the time I was six to girls. They must have been one of the few distributors in Nebraska then - at least there wasn't anyone in Grand Island, which is where I grew up. I vaguely recall writing to AC Gilbert as a kid suggesting that they should consider making some of the diesels (E8s and F7s) and steam engines I would see along the main line of the UP (I was really interested in the monster 4-12-2 3 cylinder engines they were running then). I even dutifully sent them pictures cut from magazines.

Alas, I have no pictures from Gold's - if they still exist, maybe they have an archive?

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
>
> Would anyone in the group remember going to Gold's in Lincoln, Nebraska, to see their American Flyer Train Lay-outs during the Christmas Season? I wish I would have taken a picture of them when I was a kid living in S.E. Nebraska. If anyone has a picture I could scan or purchase I would appreciate it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58634 From: clayton deich Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Gold's Department Store?
 As a kid I went to my uncles place for the summer. We would go to a store that gave out Gold bon stamps. Is that the type of store that you are talking about? The store was in Fort Collins Co. we didn't have them in Oregon.
 Clayton

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Gold's Department Store?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:37 PM
















 









Try contacting the Lincoln, Nebraska chamber of commerce, historical society, if they have one, etc. in asking if a photo exist. Newspaper.



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: richs009

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:01 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gold's Department Store?



Mike -- I do recall that Gold's had a Flyer layout at Christmastime. They were, in fact, the source of all of the early Flyer stuff I still have - a pretty standard Xmas gift from the time I was six to girls. They must have been one of the few distributors in Nebraska then - at least there wasn't anyone in Grand Island, which is where I grew up. I vaguely recall writing to AC Gilbert as a kid suggesting that they should consider making some of the diesels (E8s and F7s) and steam engines I would see along the main line of the UP (I was really interested in the monster 4-12-2 3 cylinder engines they were running then). I even dutifully sent them pictures cut from magazines.



Alas, I have no pictures from Gold's - if they still exist, maybe they have an archive?



Rich



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@ ...> wrote:

>

> Would anyone in the group remember going to Gold's in Lincoln, Nebraska, to see their American Flyer Train Lay-outs during the Christmas Season? I wish I would have taken a picture of them when I was a kid living in S.E. Nebraska. If anyone has a picture I could scan or purchase I would appreciate it?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike Leahy

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58635 From: sgaugeandy Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Hi , Andy here , I'm a member of the Baltimore Area American Flyer club . In reading your message about who will be there it's my understanding that they look for vendors with new era trains , not vintage ( What a bummer ! ) Will miss seeing all the usual vendors of " S " . I will be running my vintage stuff , I prefer it to the new but that's just my preference . I will be running the Maryland Midland though , my one "new" vice ( I love the colors ) Come out and support " S " , I hear we're the only S gauge layout there except for a smaller NASG layout ! Will be a long day... Andy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, but Fudgie Wudgie Junior will be there! LOL
>
> Just what I need.
>
> Actually thanks for the link to the show.
>
> Still should be fun to go anyway.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sgaugian
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:35 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Show Saturday
>
>
>
>
> In terms of the WGH show in Chantilly, here's a link to more
> information WGH show Chantilly Jan 23-24 2010 <http://www.wghshow.com/>
> The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club (BAAFC) will have their layout
> set up. We (the W&OD Chapter of ACSG) were supposed to be there as
> well, but there was a mix up in getting us registered for the show. (We
> were there 3 weeks ago for Greenburg show January 2 and 3. and have set
> up for previous WGH shows there). Should be fun although I don't see
> some of the "usual" S-gauge dealers listed - - Frankie Merson, Gary
> Clark, Fred Schaefer, Mick Martin, etc.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58636 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
I think Andy is correct, that WGHS is gear towards new trains in the market place, as normally we don't go to WGHS.

But it should be fun with all the layouts, and still seeing the 200 vendors.

At least I might be not be buying anything but lunch. LOL No fudge however.

And I will ge seeing a great friend from Ohio, so that is even a better reason to go for me.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: sgaugeandy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Show Saturday



Hi , Andy here , I'm a member of the Baltimore Area American Flyer club . In reading your message about who will be there it's my understanding that they look for vendors with new era trains , not vintage ( What a bummer ! ) Will miss seeing all the usual vendors of " S " . I will be running my vintage stuff , I prefer it to the new but that's just my preference . I will be running the Maryland Midland though , my one "new" vice ( I love the colors ) Come out and support " S " , I hear we're the only S gauge layout there except for a smaller NASG layout ! Will be a long day... Andy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, but Fudgie Wudgie Junior will be there! LOL
>
> Just what I need.
>
> Actually thanks for the link to the show.
>
> Still should be fun to go anyway.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sgaugian
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:35 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Show Saturday
>
>
>
>
> In terms of the WGH show in Chantilly, here's a link to more
> information WGH show Chantilly Jan 23-24 2010 <http://www.wghshow.com/>
> The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club (BAAFC) will have their layout
> set up. We (the W&OD Chapter of ACSG) were supposed to be there as
> well, but there was a mix up in getting us registered for the show. (We
> were there 3 weeks ago for Greenburg show January 2 and 3. and have set
> up for previous WGH shows there). Should be fun although I don't see
> some of the "usual" S-gauge dealers listed - - Frankie Merson, Gary
> Clark, Fred Schaefer, Mick Martin, etc.
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58637 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Train Show Saturday
Heading to Allentown for the "Valley Rail" Show at the Merchants Square
Mall, 1901 S. 12th St, Allentown,
Saturday ONLY at this point.

Saturday supposed to be primarily HO and below, WILL have the WARDIE-JAY
TinPlate Ties and some other "S".

10 AM til 4 PM on Saturday, S & larger, 10 AM til 3 PM on Sunday.

Admission charged at the door.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58638 From: Scale S Only Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Train Plates
Hi all --

One of our friends would like to sell his collection of train china plates (9). These are from Hamilton and are 8.25" in diameter. According to the internet, they are valued at $595...

If any of you are interested, contact me off-list at scalesonly@... .

Have fun!
Bill Winans

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58639 From: JohnS Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Hi group,
I just got back home from LA. I live in Millbrae, near San Francisco.
My train layout is around 1000 sg ft, with four main runs, & I am going to take new pics very soon, & will make a folder, & post these pics for the group.

I have repair skills, & will share personal tips, so those of you with 314 AW's can have your whistles blow at very low speeds, whith out having to put the pedal to the meddle, so ta speak.

My name is John, & my ID John_Loves_Timi, means that my FAVORITE soul artist was the late Timi Yuro, & I love her, very much. Now that I have shared this emotion, I will move on to S American Flyer. I will be posting more soon, & thank you for letting me join you!
Kind regards, John
Group: S-Trains Message: 58640 From: John Seaman Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Hi group, glad to join & share with you.
My name is John, & I have a 1000 sq ft AF s  layout, with four main runs. I will take new pics soon, & share them with the group.
 
Glad to join you, thank you. I have repair skills, & can show those of you, with 314AW's how to blow the whistle at low speeds, with a wiring trick.
 
My ID John_Loves_Timi was created, because I love the late soul artist Timi Yuro, very much. Now that this emotion has been explained, I will keep it to trains.
 
I live in Millbrae, near San Francisco, in an old English Tudor, with a huge attic, where the trains run. I will post more soon, Kind regards, John




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58641 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: Hi group, glad to join & share with you.
Welcome aboard, John
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 01/22/2010 1:28:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
john_loves_timi@... writes:




My name is John, & I have a 1000 sq ft AF s layout, with four main runs.
I will take new pics soon, & share them with the group.

Glad to join you, thank you. I have repair skills, & can show those of
you, with 314AW's how to blow the whistle at low speeds, with a wiring trick.

My ID John_Loves_Timi was created, because I love the late soul artist
Timi Yuro, very much. Now that this emotion has been explained, I will keep it
to trains.

I live in Millbrae, near San Francisco, in an old English Tudor, with a
huge attic, where the trains run. I will post more soon, Kind regards, John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58642 From: Alex Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: Re: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Hi John,
Welcome aboard, this is a great group with alot of knowledge. Can't wait to see what 1000 sq ft of layout looks like.
My much smaller layout depicts the late transition era along Rt 66 and the local doowop diner features speakers under the roof. Timi's "What's a Matter Baby" one of my favorite songs, can often be discerned floating around the layout along with the original AF smoke.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2116161882/pic/1581905645/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnS
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all



Hi group,
I just got back home from LA. I live in Millbrae, near San Francisco.
My train layout is around 1000 sg ft, with four main runs, & I am going to take new pics very soon, & will make a folder, & post these pics for the group.

I have repair skills, & will share personal tips, so those of you with 314 AW's can have your whistles blow at very low speeds, whith out having to put the pedal to the meddle, so ta speak.

My name is John, & my ID John_Loves_Timi, means that my FAVORITE soul artist was the late Timi Yuro, & I love her, very much. Now that I have shared this emotion, I will move on to S American Flyer. I will be posting more soon, & thank you for letting me join you!
Kind regards, John





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58643 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/22/2010
Subject: VA WGHS
In looking at the vendor list for the train show in Chantilly, VA tomorrow and Sunday, not only is one of the vendors Fudgie Wudgie Junior, but Gourmet Creations, vendor of dry, pre-packaged herbs and spices.

Excellent, as Hugo wants me to get some coriander at the show tomorrow. Actually I could use some ground fennel, myself.

I wonder if Gourmet Creations will at York in April.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58644 From: John Seaman Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Hi Alex,
Thank U for the kind words, & about Timi also, John

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Alex <innotron@...> wrote:


From: Alex <innotron@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:20 PM


 



Hi John,
Welcome aboard, this is a great group with alot of knowledge. Can't wait to see what 1000 sq ft of layout looks like.
My much smaller layout depicts the late transition era along Rt 66 and the local doowop diner features speakers under the roof. Timi's "What's a Matter Baby" one of my favorite songs, can often be discerned floating around the layout along with the original AF smoke.
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 2116161882/ pic/1581905645/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnS
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all

Hi group,
I just got back home from LA. I live in Millbrae, near San Francisco.
My train layout is around 1000 sg ft, with four main runs, & I am going to take new pics very soon, & will make a folder, & post these pics for the group.

I have repair skills, & will share personal tips, so those of you with 314 AW's can have your whistles blow at very low speeds, whith out having to put the pedal to the meddle, so ta speak.

My name is John, & my ID John_Loves_Timi, means that my FAVORITE soul artist was the late Timi Yuro, & I love her, very much. Now that I have shared this emotion, I will move on to S American Flyer. I will be posting more soon, & thank you for letting me join you!
Kind regards, John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58645 From: michael prell Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
Yo, John!
Always Lots of Room for One More Flyer Fan! Welcome!
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, JohnS <john_loves_timi@...> wrote:


From: JohnS <john_loves_timi@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] HI!, Glad to join this group & share with all
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 1:50 PM


 



Hi group,
I just got back home from LA. I live in Millbrae, near San Francisco.
My train layout is around 1000 sg ft, with four main runs, & I am going to take new pics very soon, & will make a folder, & post these pics for the group.

I have repair skills, & will share personal tips, so those of you with 314 AW's can have your whistles blow at very low speeds, whith out having to put the pedal to the meddle, so ta speak.

My name is John, & my ID John_Loves_Timi, means that my FAVORITE soul artist was the late Timi Yuro, & I love her, very much. Now that I have shared this emotion, I will move on to S American Flyer. I will be posting more soon, & thank you for letting me join you!
Kind regards, John











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58646 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Hi Jim,
I just finished another run of the Parts & Service Books with the Triple "S" Supplies catalog.  I just listed 5 books on ebay. My ebay name is ssstrains.  Books is 8-1/2 x 11 - 200 pages spiral bound.  $24.95 plus $2.95 S&H.  I believe you bought one of the books. Maybe you could tell the group some of your thoughts on the book.
� Thank You,
Tom Seccia



--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote:

From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:41 PM







 









Bob sent me a copy of the PDF file and I posted it in the Files section for this group. It is under "AF Y PDF".



Jim



From: Robert Conner

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:24 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



Sorry... my diagram didn't come thru......



Take a left switch and add 1 curve to each leg fanning out.....on the left side leg put a left switch facing the curve from the original switch and on the right side leg put a right swirch... etc... a curve connects the two!!!! then add straights or curves as you like heading away!!!!



Bob





--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:



From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:06 PM



I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....

You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need

Will try to describe layout..... L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight



Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM



Hi Mike,

I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye. Maybe some else in the group has that information.

Tom Seccia



--- On Thu, 1/21/10, msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net> wrote:



From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM



Â



Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.



The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.



So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.



tnx,



mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58647 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hi group, glad to join
Always good to have another new member in the group. Welcome aboard.
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58648 From: Michael Sperry Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Many thanks for the responses.

Bob, thanks for the design with AF turnouts. I should have mentioned
that I pursued this early on but had to reject it for a lack of real
estate to implement it. The "right of way" is restricted by higher
authority. I actually prefer this solution because IMHO it looks more
natural than my layout and, of course, it's easy to do.

dr y, I'll pursue this. I'll need to get all the specs together to see
if I can make it work.

tnx,
mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 58649 From: Monte Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Show
Just a reminder about what WGHS is all about, it is aimed at people not already in the hobby. The majority of advertising is not in hobby publications. They want to get new converts to the hobby, not feed the habit of those of us already hooked. From their attendance numbers they seem to be reaching the intended audience. It's our job to help keep the newbies interested.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58650 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Gold's Department Store
Clayton,

No, Gold's was the name of the store, and was pretty much the center of downtown shopping in Lincoln during the 1950s & 60s. I think they were basically the only store in Nebraska that only carried American Flyer. Plus they always had a huge lay-out to promote A.F. For young kids this was the place to dream.

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58651 From: richs009 Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: group search function
what happened to the search function for this group? I'm looking for a relatively recent post regarding a circuit diagram for sound control buttons to use with an "ordinary" AF transformer to access the sounds in my AF Mikado. When I type in some combination those words, I get listings, but the most recent is March 2009. Since I think one of the origins of that circuit was chuck smith, I tried that and again came up with chuck's postings ending in ~March 2009.

Did I miss the memo about how to use the search function or is Yahoo messin' with us?

and, BTW, chuck if you see this and still have that circuit diagram, can you post it or email it?

thanks,

Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 58652 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Sound for AC Locos
----- Original Message -----
From: richs009
what happened to the search function for this group? . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > >
The search function is out of whack on many Yahoo groups.
< < < < < < < <
. . . . . . . BTW, chuck if you see this and still have that circuit
diagram, can you post it or email it?
> > > > > > > >
I'm not chuck, but go to our Files Section and scroll down to "Sound for AC
Trains."

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 58653 From: yabo1@cox.net Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Railracks
I have purchased several orders of railracs over the years, but can no longer find a contact that sells them. Does anyone know if they are still available in S/HO.

Robert E. Yablonski
yabo@... or yabo1@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58654 From: Thomas Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Need some assistance with my AF 355 Baldwin Switcher.
Group:

I was at a train show today in Pinellas Park and I asked some fellow "S" Scalers if it is possible to directly wire the motor without using a reverse unit. I have had bad luck with the fingers on the mechanical unit and want to avoid them at all costs.

My unit has a diode, with six poles coming out,I think between the power pickups/trucks, the former reverse unit, and the motor. I didn't mess with this yet, as I was unsure what to do with it, and I didn't want to remove it if it is necessary in the rewiring.

Could someone contact me off list at takaufman2009@... with a scanned wiring diagram that will allow me to get my locomotive back in operation. I know I can buy a electronic unit and can motor to upgrade the unit, but I mind running this unit only in the forward direction.

I am not sure if the wires used on my engine are the correctly colored wires so whomever responds needs to be very concise of the wires locations and where they need to be.

Any help is appreciated.

Thomas
Largo Florida
Group: S-Trains Message: 58655 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Crown Reefers available
I was organizing papers for the upcoming tax filing when I ran across my copy of a paper where I had placed two crown reefers on consignment with a local hobby shop. They have not sold, so I picked them up today. They are a Hoods Milk and PFE reefer. Like the other two cars I sold, these are for sale for $35 plus actual shipping. These have been run, but are in great condition and in their box. If interested, contact me OFF LINE and give me your address so I can get a price for shipping to you. If these are not sold this week, they will be stripped and repainted.

Wayne Beachy
Group: S-Trains Message: 58656 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Railracks
Hi Robert,
� Try Rail Rax 800-830-2843 www.railrax.net HO/S combo $19.50 each.
6 Ft Long.� 22C Roache Road, Freedom, CA 95019.
Tom Seccia

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From: yabo1@... <yabo1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Railracks
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:20 PM







 









I have purchased several orders of railracs over the years, but can no longer find a contact that sells them. Does anyone know if they are still available in S/HO.



Robert E. Yablonski

yabo@yablonski. net or yabo1@...























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58657 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/24/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58658 From: grant Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Anyone also collect Marx prewar (or knows someone)?
A while ago I bought an unidentified elevated overpass thinking I might use it with my flyer.
After looking closely at it, I found a small MARX stamp on it. I finally figured out there were 2 pieces mixed together: a approx. 6 ft long elevated trestle bridge and a pedestrian overpass with a PRR decal and 2 pairs of stairs and an overpass. It's all made out of tin and looks prewar.
Anyone heard of such a Marx Toy? I can't find anything about it anywhere
Thanks
Grant
Group: S-Trains Message: 58659 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/23/2010
Subject: Re: Crown Reefers available
Wayne, How do I contact you "off list"?

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: rapidrail1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Crown Reefers available



I was organizing papers for the upcoming tax filing when I ran across my copy of a paper where I had placed two crown reefers on consignment with a local hobby shop. They have not sold, so I picked them up today. They are a Hoods Milk and PFE reefer. Like the other two cars I sold, these are for sale for $35 plus actual shipping. These have been run, but are in great condition and in their box. If interested, contact me OFF LINE and give me your address so I can get a price for shipping to you. If these are not sold this week, they will be stripped and repainted.

Wayne Beachy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58660 From: Thorin Marty Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Old foam on a painted brass model
Good morning:
I have a brass On3 Galloping Goose that was built in 1975 and
painted soon after. I was stored in its original foam in the late
1980s. The foam has disintegrated. I discarded the half-powder,
half-form. I was able to clean up the Goose with a soft brush but the
model looks stained in places.
I now need to put the Goose back into its cleaned up, original LMB
Models box. The box is generous with the Goose having well over an inch
of clearance on all sides.

I am asking two questions:
1. Any suggestions on how to remove the foam stains? Fortunately
these are resticted to the Gooses' box. The model is painted with
Floquil, decaled, and a final coat of Dulcote. The model has custom
decals for my father's railroad.

2. How do I wrap, encase, etc. the Goose so it can go back into its
box? The Goose was my father's and has been given to my sister. It may
or may not get out of its box again in the next twenty years. So I need
to pack it nice.

Thank you. Your insight and skills are appreciated.

Thorin
On a 6 month contact in Eden Prairie, MN



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58661 From: richs009 Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Sound for AC Locos
Tom -- thanks, exactly what I was looking for. -- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: richs009
> what happened to the search function for this group? . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > >
> The search function is out of whack on many Yahoo groups.
> < < < < < < < <
> . . . . . . . BTW, chuck if you see this and still have that circuit
> diagram, can you post it or email it?
> > > > > > > > >
> I'm not chuck, but go to our Files Section and scroll down to "Sound for AC
> Trains."
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58662 From: Bill Drake Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Anyone also collect Marx prewar (or knows someone)?
Don't know about the trestle bridge, but the pedestrian overpass probably came from the Colber tooling that Marx bought when Colber decided to exit the train accessory business. This tooling was probably used to make the Gilbert catalogged pedestrian bridge that came from Colber along with the beacon, floodlight, oil well and lamp posts.
 
Six feet is a very long bridge. Not sure I have seen one that long.
 
Bill Drake
cold and wet in St Louis

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From: grant <gwbishop@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Anyone also collect Marx prewar (or knows someone)?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:58 PM


 



A while ago I bought an unidentified elevated overpass thinking I might use it with my flyer.
After looking closely at it, I found a small MARX stamp on it. I finally figured out there were 2 pieces mixed together: a approx. 6 ft long elevated trestle bridge and a pedestrian overpass with a PRR decal and 2 pairs of stairs and an overpass. It's all made out of tin and looks prewar.
Anyone heard of such a Marx Toy? I can't find anything about it anywhere
Thanks
Grant











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58663 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Need some assistance with my AF 355 Baldwin Switcher.
Perhaps this will help, from the Gilbert Service Station manual...

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album209/355_21801?full=1

Chuck Harrington

http://www.myflyertrains.org

On Jan 23, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Thomas wrote:

> Group:
>
> I was at a train show today in Pinellas Park and I asked some fellow "S" Scalers if it is possible to directly wire the motor without using a reverse unit. I have had bad luck with the fingers on the mechanical unit and want to avoid them at all costs.
>
> My unit has a diode, with six poles coming out,I think between the power pickups/trucks, the former reverse unit, and the motor. I didn't mess with this yet, as I was unsure what to do with it, and I didn't want to remove it if it is necessary in the rewiring.
>
> Could someone contact me off list at takaufman2009@... with a scanned wiring diagram that will allow me to get my locomotive back in operation. I know I can buy a electronic unit and can motor to upgrade the unit, but I mind running this unit only in the forward direction.
>
> I am not sure if the wires used on my engine are the correctly colored wires so whomever responds needs to be very concise of the wires locations and where they need to be.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thomas
> Largo Florida
>
>
> Reply to sender | Reply to group



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58664 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: WGHS
Linda and I attended the WGHS in Chantilly yesterday and the place was packed.

There was a computer and outdoor show going on at the same type. Parking was hard to get, as that was fine, as we normally park far away from others, but we parked in a empty office park right behind the building for the train show.

Sadly, there is one lots that is not paved, as most of the parking was paved. That large square plot of land was a total disaster of mud. It was amazing that people actually park there, as it was thick mud everywhere, as some spots where like sink holes. There was pave roadway in the parking area that had a HUGE mound of snow, in the middle of the road. I have no idea why?

We got inside and saw many vendors, dealers and manufactures, as this reminded me of many food distribution vendor shows I have partake in how the manufactures where set up with their displays. The largest manufacturer show for anything is usually at McCormick Place in Chicago for the NRA show. National Restaurant Show.

The vendors where selling mostly new things, as there was a little bit of vintage trains, mostly O gauge, with only a few pieces of American Flyer. I did pick two S scale trucks and a bottle of glue for plastic, which I need to make my backstop.

We saw the TCA booth, as they had the York County of tourism there, as we got some free samples of potato chips. LOL I mentioned to the lady running the booth, that she has to say Revolution like they do at the baseball games. She was not happy about that, as she did not want the stadium or baseball team, as she felt the money could of been used for better things like education. I said I understand her point, but it does bring in people like Linda and I to the county and we spend money and that helps with taxes, etc. She lighten up a bit. O:)! We did see Clem, as he was also the Donut Police, as he had a boy scout custom made type patch on.

We also saw the National Association of S Gaugers booth, nicely done with displays of all kinds of S products, from AF, to the new makers of product.

Toy Train Operation Society booth had displays of Lionel in O and American Flyer in S.

We did see Joseph Lechner who came in from Ohio to be with the Standard Gauge group and had a nice talk with him. He was sporting a spiffy and neatly trimmed beard. We saw him last in Pittsburgh two years ago.

Fudgie Wudgie was doing very well in fudge sales, as no, we did not get any, as we did not see any spices at the booth next door, that Hugo needed for the Branford Diner. Fudgie Wudgie probably owns the spice stand, weird but okay.

Lots of neat layouts, as that was worth the admission price alone.

I took over 200 pictures. My private list of people will get them all. LOL Lucky you.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58665 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: AF set for sale
I have a very, very, very excellent complete and original set from 1956 for
sale.
It is # 5655RH with the dual T&P GEEPS plus cars including the 926
tanker,
the very pretty 989 reefer, and the nice 977 action caboose. No boxes.
contact me off list at _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Steve
Boise


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58666 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/24/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday January 24, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58667 From: Thomas Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: Re: Need some assistance with my AF 355 Baldwin Switcher.
Chuck,

That diagram was very helpful and my Baldwin is back to work. I hope to eventually convert it to a can motor and electronic reverser but this will do for now.

Thanks again.

Thomas

Largo FL
Group: S-Trains Message: 58668 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/24/2010
Subject: LotS of S for Sale - locos, freights, passengers, and a set
I am helping five people sell their collections.  The
following are in hand and ready to ship upon receipt of payment.  Pictures
and more information about most of these items are on my website:


http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html



For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as
asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse!  Please include your
address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the
total.



S-Helper Services 00670 5” track with uncoupler and button. C-10 mint; never
out of the box. $15

 

9100 Gulf Tank Car.  C-10 mint; never out of the box.
$55

 

9209 New York
Central Hopper.  C-10 mint; never out of
the box. $27

 

9400 Chessie System Caboose.  C-10 mint; never out of
the box. $28

 

9701 The Rock Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box.
$26 (three of them)

 

9706 New York
Central Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $80

 

9713 New York
Central Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $36

 

48324 American Flyer 50th Anniversary Boxcar. 
C-10 mint; never out of the box. $43 (two of them)

 

48705 Pennsylvania
Caboose.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $38

 

962 Green-Stripe  Hamilton
Vista-Dome Car. VG $75

 

962 Green-Stripe Hamilton
Vista Dome Car. G $40.

This would qualify as Excellent condition, but one skirt is broken off.

It's a terrific car for a display case or a siding where people will see only
the good side!!!



963 Green-Stripe  Washington
Observation Car. VG $100.



960 Chestnut-Stripe Columbus
Combination Car. Ex- $215





963 Chestnut-Stripe Washington
Observation Car. VG $200



1953 F5329 Meteor Freight Set VG $250 (including
individual boxes and paperwork; no set box; engine has been serviced and runs great; outstanding smoke
and choo-choo; reversing e-unit sticks almost every time; one drive wheel
wobbles as if the axle is bent)





293 New Haven Pacific engine has been serviced and runs
great; smokes and choo-choos well; reversing e-unit sticks almost every time.
Ex-/VG+ $100

 

322 NYC Hudson
SIT; serviced and runs great but doesn’t smoke.

 

636 flat car with wire reel; has one brake wheel. VG-$25





648 track cleaning car in original box with no brackets or
pads; otherwise VG $18





706 remote uncoupler in original box $5

706 uncoupler with no box $2





714 log unloading car VG $55



740 Handcar.  VG- $65



740 Handcar in original box; earlier version; lettering worn off VG $75



805 Pennsylvania Railroad gondola excellent $19





923 Illinois Central refrigerator car
VG- $17

923 Illinois central refrigerator
car VG $19





931 Texas & Pacific Gondola.  Ex- $13

 

936 flat car with wire reel but no brake wheels; otherwise
excellent $35





936 flat car with wire reel and both brake wheels VG+ $30





937 Katy boxcar dirty $10



944 Industrial Brownhoist crane car.  This is a beauty!  Ex- $70

 

947 Northern Pacific refrigerator car VG $39





971 Mo & Joe lumber unloading flatcar.  Ex- no
boards, button, or pickup rail. $125

 

977 operating caboose with a chipped corner on the roof VG
$35



979 operating caboose with one broken corner of the roof VG $75





984 New Haven boxcar VG-$60

984 New Haven boxcar VG $70

984 New Haven boxcar VG+ $80

 

24422 great Northern refrigerator car excellent-$25

24422 great Northern refrigerator car with glue on the roof VG $22








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Group: S-Trains Message: 58669 From: michael prell Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Follow Up
A few weeks back, there was some discussion about what to do when those pesky little metal tabs break off on certain pieces of equipment. The best solution seemed to be that of soldering thin metal strips of brass, I believe, to the spot where the broken tab came from. Someone suggested soldering a nut and drilling a hole for a matching bolt. Having tried both, I can report that soldering a piece of metal strip works the best, as I just completed repair on a whistling billboard. I don't know what the right name is, but I used the metal from one of those T-shaped clips that come with Gilbert Erector Sets. By straightening one out and tinning one end after sanding it to get rid of crud, I was able to solder and cut the new tab to a workable length. There was no need to alter the receiving hole as the width was a perfect fit.
As I had previously gotten one nut firmly attached with hole drilled, I didn't have the heart to replace it. If it ain't broke.....!
Mike-watching the rain fall in S-yracuse-Prell

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58670 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Follow Up
As far as the missing tender tabs on the A&P american flyer tin tender shells, you can use any tin of the proper thickness (approx .020), cut to length and width and solder it to the tender in the proper position as tin solders just fine.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


--- On Mon, 1/25/10, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:


From: michael prell <mlprell@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Follow Up
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:09 AM


 



A few weeks back, there was some discussion about what to do when those pesky little metal tabs break off on certain pieces of equipment. The best solution seemed to be that of soldering thin metal strips of brass, I believe, to the spot where the broken tab came from. Someone suggested soldering a nut and drilling a hole for a matching bolt. Having tried both, I can report that soldering a piece of metal strip works the best, as I just completed repair on a whistling billboard. I don't know what the right name is, but I used the metal from one of those T-shaped clips that come with Gilbert Erector Sets. By straightening one out and tinning one end after sanding it to get rid of crud, I was able to solder and cut the new tab to a workable length. There was no need to alter the receiving hole as the width was a perfect fit.
As I had previously gotten one nut firmly attached with hole drilled, I didn't have the heart to replace it. If it ain't broke.....!
Mike-watching the rain fall in S-yracuse-Prell

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58671 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: LotS of S for Sale - locos, freights, passengers, and a set
Hi, Robert, I would like to buy the other eight cows..Please let me know the next step in paying for them...Thank You, Don Rodgers drmusic244@...

To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@...
From: theupstairstrain@...
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:44:52 -0800
Subject: [S-Trains] LotS of S for Sale - locos, freights, passengers, and a set






























I am helping five people sell their collections. The

following are in hand and ready to ship upon receipt of payment. Pictures

and more information about most of these items are on my website:



http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html



For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book

values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as

asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse! Please include your

address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the

total.



S-Helper Services 00670 5� track with uncoupler and button. C-10 mint; never

out of the box. $15







9100 Gulf Tank Car. C-10 mint; never out of the box.

$55







9209 New York

Central Hopper. C-10 mint; never out of

the box. $27







9400 Chessie System Caboose. C-10 mint; never out of

the box. $28







9701 The Rock Boxcar. C-10 mint; never out of the box.

$26 (three of them)







9706 New York

Central Boxcar. C-10 mint; never out of the box. $80







9713 New York

Central Boxcar. C-10 mint; never out of the box. $36







48324 American Flyer 50th Anniversary Boxcar.

C-10 mint; never out of the box. $43 (two of them)







48705 Pennsylvania

Caboose. C-10 mint; never out of the box. $38







962 Green-Stripe Hamilton

Vista-Dome Car. VG $75







962 Green-Stripe Hamilton

Vista Dome Car. G $40.



This would qualify as Excellent condition, but one skirt is broken off.



It's a terrific car for a display case or a siding where people will see only

the good side!!!



963 Green-Stripe Washington

Observation Car. VG $100.



960 Chestnut-Stripe Columbus

Combination Car. Ex- $215



963 Chestnut-Stripe Washington

Observation Car. VG $200



1953 F5329 Meteor Freight Set VG $250 (including

individual boxes and paperwork; no set box; engine has been serviced and runs great; outstanding smoke

and choo-choo; reversing e-unit sticks almost every time; one drive wheel

wobbles as if the axle is bent)



293 New Haven Pacific engine has been serviced and runs

great; smokes and choo-choos well; reversing e-unit sticks almost every time.

Ex-/VG+ $100







322 NYC Hudson

SIT; serviced and runs great but doesn�t smoke.







636 flat car with wire reel; has one brake wheel. VG-$25



648 track cleaning car in original box with no brackets or

pads; otherwise VG $18



706 remote uncoupler in original box $5



706 uncoupler with no box $2



714 log unloading car VG $55



740 Handcar. VG- $65



740 Handcar in original box; earlier version; lettering worn off VG $75



805 Pennsylvania Railroad gondola excellent $19



923 Illinois Central refrigerator car

VG- $17



923 Illinois central refrigerator

car VG $19



931 Texas & Pacific Gondola. Ex- $13







936 flat car with wire reel but no brake wheels; otherwise

excellent $35



936 flat car with wire reel and both brake wheels VG+ $30



937 Katy boxcar dirty $10



944 Industrial Brownhoist crane car. This is a beauty! Ex- $70







947 Northern Pacific refrigerator car VG $39



971 Mo & Joe lumber unloading flatcar. Ex- no

boards, button, or pickup rail. $125







977 operating caboose with a chipped corner on the roof VG

$35



979 operating caboose with one broken corner of the roof VG $75



984 New Haven boxcar VG-$60



984 New Haven boxcar VG $70



984 New Haven boxcar VG+ $80







24422 great Northern refrigerator car excellent-$25



24422 great Northern refrigerator car with glue on the roof VG $22



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58672 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Tom,

Yes, I purchased a copy of your book. I find it useful in using the exploded to locate parts needed for repairs. I will assume this one will get worn out just like your original parts listing that I got several years ago.

Jim


From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



Hi Jim,
I just finished another run of the Parts & Service Books with the Triple "S" Supplies catalog. I just listed 5 books on ebay. My ebay name is ssstrains. Books is 8-1/2 x 11 - 200 pages spiral bound. $24.95 plus $2.95 S&H. I believe you bought one of the books. Maybe you could tell the group some of your thoughts on the book.
� Thank You,
Tom Seccia

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From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:41 PM



Bob sent me a copy of the PDF file and I posted it in the Files section for this group. It is under "AF Y PDF".

Jim

From: Robert Conner

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:24 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

Sorry... my diagram didn't come thru......

Take a left switch and add 1 curve to each leg fanning out.....on the left side leg put a left switch facing the curve from the original switch and on the right side leg put a right swirch... etc... a curve connects the two!!!! then add straights or curves as you like heading away!!!!

Bob

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:06 PM

I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....

You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need

Will try to describe layout..... L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight

Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM

Hi Mike,

I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye. Maybe some else in the group has that information.

Tom Seccia

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From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM

Â

Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.

The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.

So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.

tnx,

mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58673 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Need "AF" wye
Hi Jim,
� Thank you for the comments.  Any questions on the Service book or Triple "S" Catalog, don't hesitate to email or call.
Thank You,
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote:

From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:22 AM







 









Tom,



Yes, I purchased a copy of your book. I find it useful in using the exploded to locate parts needed for repairs. I will assume this one will get worn out just like your original parts listing that I got several years ago.



Jim



From: Sheila Seccia

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:28 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



Hi Jim,

I just finished another run of the Parts & Service Books with the Triple "S" Supplies catalog. I just listed 5 books on ebay. My ebay name is ssstrains. Books is 8-1/2 x 11 - 200 pages spiral bound. $24.95 plus $2.95 S&H. I believe you bought one of the books. Maybe you could tell the group some of your thoughts on the book.

� Thank You,

Tom Seccia



--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@comcast. net> wrote:



From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@comcast. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:41 PM



Bob sent me a copy of the PDF file and I posted it in the Files section for this group. It is under "AF Y PDF".



Jim



From: Robert Conner



Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:24 PM



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



Sorry... my diagram didn't come thru......



Take a left switch and add 1 curve to each leg fanning out.....on the left side leg put a left switch facing the curve from the original switch and on the right side leg put a right swirch... etc... a curve connects the two!!!! then add straights or curves as you like heading away!!!!



Bob



--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote:



From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:06 PM



I just put one together on the computer.... I can send a PDF of it.....



You need 2 left and 1 right switch along with 3 curves..... plus straights as need



Will try to describe layout..... L=Left or Rt switch, C=curve, s-straight



Bob Conner



--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:55 PM



Hi Mike,



I can't remember when or what publication it was in, but someone did an article on making an American Flyer Wye. Maybe some else in the group has that information.



Tom Seccia



--- On Thu, 1/21/10, msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net> wrote:



From: msperry45 <msperry59@comcast. net>



Subject: [S-Trains] Need "AF" wye



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 2:24 PM



Â



Instead of waiting until December this year I'm attempting to plan the Xmas layout a bit earlier. It's been evolving for a few years now and we finally decided that we like going around the perimeter of the room and around the tree. This made for a rather boring operation, IMO, so I'm thinking of adding an order of magnitude of complexity by making it reversing. I refer you to the Mike's Future Xmas Layout folder in the Files section for a before (basic) and hopefully after (reversing) design.



The layout is comprised of AF track and Johnson's rubber roadbed. I'm planing on mounting the track up on base modules for ease of assembly and so that the family members can each get their own module to decorate/scenic.



So how do I procure/build a wye with a standard AF radius? I'm not afraid to hand lay with some guidance or canibalize broken turnouts if that's what it takes.



tnx,



mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58674 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Frontiersman #30 Baggage Car Conversion
To All:

Good afternoon. This past Saturday I was at an auction and i got a box lot of AF parts. In there was the mechanism and coil for a mail pick up car. I like making "stuff" that AF never made. So to that end I'm thinking of modifying a Frontiersman #30 Baggage car and installing it in there. That would make it a old time mail pick up car. Before I attempt this, has anyone done this before? Input and comments would be appreciated.

Regards

Bob Moyer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58675 From: N Becker Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Train Minder - Update
Although they still seem to have "technical" problems, I received a check today for a full refund.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58676 From: race944t Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Impossible to find parts needed
OK, before you tell me, I know these will be impossible, but just in case, I'm in great need of the following:

XA15A842RP Circuit Breaker for 22035 or 22090 350W transformer

XA10985 Armature & fan assembly for 314AW. Actually I only need the fan or impeller. The whistle motor with armature runs fine, but there is no fan to make the air move, thus no whistle. That was a suprise find, especially when I looked in the tender and saw the whistle assembly, obviously thinking it was complete. Oh, well . . .

Any help or leads would be welcome.

Thanks,

"Banker" Bill Clark
Group: S-Trains Message: 58677 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Am I correct when I say that the Erector whistle is the same as the
whistle in the 314AW? Let me look around and see if I have what you need.
Tom S., am I correct on that?


Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58678 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Hi Harwood,
� No, the 314AW armature and the 762 Erector armatures are completely different.  314AW Armature Assembly is XA10985 looks closed to a Handcar armature. The 762 armature and fan assembly is XA9431 same as the other billboard whistles. Bob Hannon's book shows photos of both.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 6:57 PM







 









Am I correct when I say that the Erector whistle is the same as the

whistle in the 314AW? Let me look around and see if I have what you need.

Tom S., am I correct on that?





Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58679 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Hello,
From my knowledge yes they are the same whistle

Rich




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From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 6:57:31 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed


Am I correct when I say that the Erector whistle is the same as the
whistle in the 314AW? Let me look around and see if I have what you need.
Tom S., am I correct on that?


Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58680 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Frontiersman #30 Baggage Car Conversion
Hi Bob,
� I never done anything like that before, but I would suggest checking the length of the coil and mechanism before beginning the project.  The Old Timer car may be a little short compared to a 718 or 918.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, romoyer@... <romoyer@...> wrote:

From: romoyer@... <romoyer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Frontiersman #30 Baggage Car Conversion
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:00 PM







 









To All:



Good afternoon. This past Saturday I was at an auction and i got a box lot of AF parts. In there was the mechanism and coil for a mail pick up car. I like making "stuff" that AF never made. So to that end I'm thinking of modifying a Frontiersman #30 Baggage car and installing it in there. That would make it a old time mail pick up car. Before I attempt this, has anyone done this before? Input and comments would be appreciated.



Regards



Bob Moyer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58681 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Hi Bill,
� That circuit breaker is impossible to get.  I have the PA10985 Impeller, ogg quality repro for $5.95 each.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, race944t <race944t@...> wrote:

From: race944t <race944t@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 6:15 PM







 









OK, before you tell me, I know these will be impossible, but just in case, I'm in great need of the following:



XA15A842RP Circuit Breaker for 22035 or 22090 350W transformer



XA10985 Armature & fan assembly for 314AW. Actually I only need the fan or impeller. The whistle motor with armature runs fine, but there is no fan to make the air move, thus no whistle. That was a suprise find, especially when I looked in the tender and saw the whistle assembly, obviously thinking it was complete. Oh, well . . .



Any help or leads would be welcome.



Thanks,



"Banker" Bill Clark

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58682 From: clayton deich Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
 Bill I know that a few years back that I picked up the fan as a repro. The fans are out there, and you may need to look for them if Tom is out of them. I was lucky to fine one on ebay- Armature & fan assembly not used with factory tag. Then about 3 month back I pick up a 314 AW for $150.00   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220526653949&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_500wt_1069
 Clayton

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, race944t <race944t@...> wrote:

From: race944t <race944t@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 3:15 PM
















 









OK, before you tell me, I know these will be impossible, but just in case, I'm in great need of the following:



XA15A842RP Circuit Breaker for 22035 or 22090 350W transformer



XA10985 Armature & fan assembly for 314AW. Actually I only need the fan or impeller. The whistle motor with armature runs fine, but there is no fan to make the air move, thus no whistle. That was a suprise find, especially when I looked in the tender and saw the whistle assembly, obviously thinking it was complete. Oh, well . . .



Any help or leads would be welcome.



Thanks,



"Banker" Bill Clark






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58683 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
But Tom,
When you put the two side by side they are exactly the same size, I am talking about the whistle ( incased in blue housing that said erector on top ) that came in the same size box as the light kit for erector sets. There was a smoke unit sold in the same size box. Box is like the size the single lamp post came in.. Red top and bottom with yellow label I think.

Harwood

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed




Hi Harwood,
No, the 314AW armature and the 762 Erector armatures are completely different. 314AW Armature Assembly is XA10985 looks closed to a Handcar armature. The 762 armature and fan assembly is XA9431 same as the other billboard whistles. Bob Hannon's book shows photos of both.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 6:57 PM



Am I correct when I say that the Erector whistle is the same as the

whistle in the 314AW? Let me look around and see if I have what you need.

Tom S., am I correct on that?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58684 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Hi Rich,
� If you have Bob Hannon's book you will see these are completely different.  Gilbert also has an exploded view of a 314AW and a exploded view of a 566 Billboard Whistle.  If you have copies of these, this will show you the difference.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote:

From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:15 PM







 









Hello,

From my knowledge yes they are the same whistle



Rich



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From: "HOwingsiii@aol. com" <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 6:57:31 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed



Am I correct when I say that the Erector whistle is the same as the

whistle in the 314AW? Let me look around and see if I have what you need.

Tom S., am I correct on that?



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58685 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Sorry Rich,
� When I read Harwood's message I thought he was referring to the 762 Erector Billboard whistle.  Do you have one of those Erector whistles?
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote:

From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:15 PM







 









Hello,

From my knowledge yes they are the same whistle



Rich



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From: "HOwingsiii@aol. com" <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 6:57:31 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed



Am I correct when I say that the Erector whistle is the same as the

whistle in the 314AW? Let me look around and see if I have what you need.

Tom S., am I correct on that?



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58686 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Hi Harwood,
� I stand corrected.  Thought you were referring to the 762 Billboard Whistle.  I never seen an Erector whistle.  The 314AW Armature Assembly without the fan is XA11043.  I know Gilbert interchanged many Erector and American Flyer parts.  This is a new one on me.  How many of these units do you have?
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:44 PM







 











But Tom,

When you put the two side by side they are exactly the same size, I am talking about the whistle ( incased in blue housing that said erector on top ) that came in the same size box as the light kit for erector sets. There was a smoke unit sold in the same size box. Box is like the size the single lamp post came in.. Red top and bottom with yellow label I think.



Harwood



Harwood



-----Original Message-----

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed



Hi Harwood,

No, the 314AW armature and the 762 Erector armatures are completely different. 314AW Armature Assembly is XA10985 looks closed to a Handcar armature. The 762 armature and fan assembly is XA9431 same as the other billboard whistles. Bob Hannon's book shows photos of both.

Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 1/25/10, HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com> wrote:



From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Impossible to find parts needed

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 6:57 PM



Am I correct when I say that the Erector whistle is the same as the



whistle in the 314AW? Let me look around and see if I have what you need.



Tom S., am I correct on that?



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58687 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/25/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
Bill, I have a 22035 that is for parts. I'm sure the beaker is still in it.
I can part it out or sell it whole. Contact me off list at
_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) Mike


In a message dated 1/25/2010 3:26:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
race944t@... writes:




OK, before you tell me, I know these will be impossible, but just in case,
I'm in great need of the following:

XA15A842RP Circuit Breaker for 22035 or 22090 350W transformer

XA10985 Armature & fan assembly for 314AW. Actually I only need the fan or
impeller. The whistle motor with armature runs fine, but there is no fan
to make the air move, thus no whistle. That was a suprise find, especially
when I looked in the tender and saw the whistle assembly, obviously thinking
it was complete. Oh, well . . .

Any help or leads would be welcome.

Thanks,

"Banker" Bill Clark





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58688 From: Bob C Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival Layout Tour -San Luis Obispo, CA
Show Your Layout During The Central Coast Railroad Festival

I'm organizing an official layout tour for the Central Coast Railroad Festival for October 7-11, 2010, in San Luis Obispo, CA. This tour will be jointly sponsored by the Festival and my Yahoo group, Model Railroads of Southern California.

The tour will be self-guided and free, and I will provide the publicity, schedules and maps for the tour through the Festival's website and my Yahoo group.

If you live in the San Luis Obispo area and are interested in having your layout on this tour, please contact me off list at the e-mail address below. The specific date or dates that work for you and what hours you wish to be open need not be fixed until mid-August.

If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please feel free to contact me. I hope you'll join with other area layout owners and show your layout to your fellow model railroaders and the public.

In case you are not familiar with the Central Coast Railroad Festival here is a link to their website:

www.ccrrf.com/index.html

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Model Railroads of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
Hemet, CA
chiefbobbb@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58689 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Walther's Hulett Unloader
Hi Folks,



I am a little bit smitten by the Hulett Unloader bug. I have been
watching videos and digging a little. Walther's makes a nice HO kit that
is not really designed to be made into an operating model. However, it
really captures the feeling for Great lakes Ore shipment in the 20th
century. So, my question is, has anyone seen one of these models put
together and installed on an S-Gauge layout?



That thing is so big, it might work well of there was a little more room
allowed for the hoppers under the dumping zone.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58690 From: sgaugian Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Re: Impossible to find parts needed
I just repaired a 314AW. Doug Peck has impellers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58691 From: Karl Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Lionel ‘Customer Service’
Here is the link to the database:

http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/Findex.cfm

Karl
Group: S-Trains Message: 58692 From: Karl Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Lionel ‘Customer Service’
Hi everyone.

Did you see the article on page 24 in the March issue of Classic Toy Trains titled `Lionel outlines service initiatives' …very interesting article.

They mention a `customer service' link on their website that will take you to operator manuals and exploded-view diagrams. ...along with parts lists and wiring diagrams. It's still in progress but a lot of their American Flyer line is shown.

Lots of information worth checking out.

There is even a service tip on alternate ways to re-string their tack gang.

Karl
Group: S-Trains Message: 58693 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Re: Central Coast Railroad Festival Layout Tour -San Luis Obispo, CA
Cool! THanks for the heads-up!

Rick (SLO County)


On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Bob C wrote:

> Show Your Layout During The Central Coast Railroad Festival
>
> I'm organizing an official layout tour for the Central Coast Railroad Festival for October 7-11, 2010, in San Luis Obispo, CA. This tour will be jointly sponsored by the Festival and my Yahoo group, Model Railroads of Southern California.
>
> The tour will be self-guided and free, and I will provide the publicity, schedules and maps for the tour through the Festival's website and my Yahoo group.
>
> If you live in the San Luis Obispo area and are interested in having your layout on this tour, please contact me off list at the e-mail address below. The specific date or dates that work for you and what hours you wish to be open need not be fixed until mid-August.
>
> If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please feel free to contact me. I hope you'll join with other area layout owners and show your layout to your fellow model railroaders and the public.
>
> In case you are not familiar with the Central Coast Railroad Festival here is a link to their website:
>
> www.ccrrf.com/index.html
>
> Thank you.
>
> Bob Chaparro
> Moderator
> Model Railroads of Southern California
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
> Hemet, CA
> chiefbobbb@...
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58694 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: Ebay
I was bidding on a S scale red stake truck with American Flyer on the side of it, as Eastwood put this out many years ago as a limited edition.

I have one, as I am using it on the layout with the saw mill.

I am having a hard time finding another stake truck, that I like, so I decided to look for another one of the Eastwood trucks, as I want to use it in the Apple Orchard.

I saw on ebay and put in a min. bid of 35.

today, while that bid was still open, I saw one for buy it now at 19.

I looked at the current bid on the other one and I see I was outbidded.

GREAT!!! LOL So, I got the other one for 19 and the shipping was less.

So you never know.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58695 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/26/2010
Subject: SW9 For Sale...
GENTS:
I have an original issue, year 2000, SHS SW9 for sale. NIB with all the usual Showcase Line goodies: metal hand grabs, both standard and M.U. pilots, illuminated number boards, all-wheel insulation with 8-wheel pick-up, full interior with 2-man painted crew, turned brass horn, plug in AC/DC sequence reversing unit, 5-pole DC can motor, NMRA DCC socket with DC shorting plug, extra pick-up wires and machine screws, directional lighting control, both AF-compatible and code 110 drivers (installed) and both AF compatible couplers and Kadee 802's. Kadees are currently installed.

This beauty is decked out in bright orange, white and black for the Illinois Central Gulf, a livery no longer offered by SHS. The engine number is #1234. Its sister engine, #1223, is graphically shown at http://www.showcaseline.com/Archived_product_pages/images/00432.gif . Only difference is the number.

Price is $195 including lower 48 ground shipping. Bought this from Mr. Ferraro at the 2000 NMRA/NASG convention in San Jose, CA. Had I thought to get Mike's autograph on the box, I have to ask $400 due to the then value-added status. Oh well, such is life.

Off-list responses only. On-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff
cujoacat@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58696 From: Ed Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Street lights....
Was wondering if any manufacturer makes S Scale street lamps. The old Boulevard Lamps from American Flyer would be perfect if I were modeling in G Scale. Any advice on this will be greatly appreciated.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58697 From: Alan Evans Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: Street lights....
Ed,

Take an S Gauge ruler (3:16" to the foot) and visit train hobby
stores. Many of the HO street lights are right size for S, oversized for
HO.



- Alan Evans



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ed
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Street lights....





Was wondering if any manufacturer makes S Scale street lamps. The old
Boulevard Lamps from American Flyer would be perfect if I were modeling in G
Scale. Any advice on this will be greatly appreciated.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58698 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Cobweb Merchandise Sale...
Banta is having a 25% off on 22 selective S kits. http://www.bantamodelworks.com/ Nice variety of depots. Getem while they last.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58699 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgson p
I have several projects I need to adhere plastic to plastic and one where I
need to adhere wood to plastic. I need some help on what to use.

Some of these projects are to install or reinstall clear plastic windows,
headlights, etc. to SHS and AM diesels.

Also I am evaluating how to build up an area underneath Tom Hodson
passenger car shells to be able to drill a new hole for attaching AM 4 wheel
passenger trucks with screws and washers. I hope I can make this work rather
than to use rivets. So what adhesives or glues should I use to build up this
area using either small pieces of styrene or of wood?

I appreciate any help.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58700 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgs
http://www.thistothat.com/

Earl,

A glue advice website.

Now I have seen everything in the advice world. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgson pass cars)



I have several projects I need to adhere plastic to plastic and one where I
need to adhere wood to plastic. I need some help on what to use.

Some of these projects are to install or reinstall clear plastic windows,
headlights, etc. to SHS and AM diesels.

Also I am evaluating how to build up an area underneath Tom Hodson
passenger car shells to be able to drill a new hole for attaching AM 4 wheel
passenger trucks with screws and washers. I hope I can make this work rather
than to use rivets. So what adhesives or glues should I use to build up this
area using either small pieces of styrene or of wood?

I appreciate any help.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58701 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgs
http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=EMX78000-E&Category_Code=PSH

Also for gluing things, I use this automotive dabbers. I got them for touch up paint for the cars, but they are great for other things.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgson pass cars)



I have several projects I need to adhere plastic to plastic and one where I
need to adhere wood to plastic. I need some help on what to use.

Some of these projects are to install or reinstall clear plastic windows,
headlights, etc. to SHS and AM diesels.

Also I am evaluating how to build up an area underneath Tom Hodson
passenger car shells to be able to drill a new hole for attaching AM 4 wheel
passenger trucks with screws and washers. I hope I can make this work rather
than to use rivets. So what adhesives or glues should I use to build up this
area using either small pieces of styrene or of wood?

I appreciate any help.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58702 From: Ed Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Street lights....
I think I have found a good source for street lights. Walthers Life-like Scene Maker street lights are about 13'high in S Scale. You can see them at the following location:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-1703
and
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-1702

They look good and are well priced. Beats using the "G" scale stuff from Flyonel.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58703 From: Bill Lane Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Check out my short video
All,

In honor of me getting trains running on my little modular layout in MY
house, I made this short video http://www.prslhs.com/S_Scale_PRSL.wmv of the
test runs (after a false start or 2!) Please check it out.

I use NCE DCC with 3 wireless handles so I had independent control over each
train. That was the best part of going DCC - using the wireless handles.
There is no difference whatsoever to the hardwired handles.

After working on my house almost daily since getting it in July, getting
trains running in MY basement was an amazing feeling and accomplishment I
have waited for many years to get. My layout is more of a test track for
now, but if I get down to track level with the trains going by very closely,
it really does not matter. The bigger and better layout will come in time.


Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Group: S-Trains Message: 58704 From: fahrwud Date: 1/27/2010
Subject: Re: Walther's Hulett Unloader
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I am a little bit smitten by the Hulett Unloader bug. I have been
> watching videos and digging a little. Walther's makes a nice HO kit that
> is not really designed to be made into an operating model. However, it
> really captures the feeling for Great lakes Ore shipment in the 20th
> century. So, my question is, has anyone seen one of these models put
> together and installed on an S-Gauge layout?
>
>
>
> That thing is so big, it might work well of there was a little more room
> allowed for the hoppers under the dumping zone.
>
>
>
> Bill


I worked a trip or two on the great lakes and saw these magnificent machines at work in the summer of 1978. I could watch them for hours.
A working model would be a treat. If we have some S'ers with tinplate leanings, maybe a Meccano/Erector model would be a nice (?) project.
http://www.hsomerville.com/mwmailorder/new.htm
http://www.nzmeccano.com/image-31054

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 58705 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: The video
Bill, good show getting up and running. Liked the Camelback especially.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58706 From: Dave Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: AF - HO Decals
We have been contacted by a manufacturer of HO rollig stock to produce AMERICAN FLYER HO decals pertaining to AF HO prior to 1966. If any one here has friends that require these decals please have them contact us off group for further info.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
(502) 292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 58707 From: Ken Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenberg's?
I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 58708 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:


From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM


 



I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58709 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
As Bob, said, price guides are just a guide.

Sometimes you can get things for less or paid more, depends on how many are looking for that one particular item at any given time.

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

Offer what you think it is worth to you, if you don't get it this time, you might next time, as it has happen to me.

Example, again, just this week I was bidding on a Eastwood AF red stake truck, lost out, as a bid went over my 35 max, but I got one this week on ebay for 18. All about timing.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:

From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM



I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58710 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Hey Mike,

FYI & If you're interested, Ebay has a Winross - 1:64 scale - American Flyer truck listed now.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



As Bob, said, price guides are just a guide.

Sometimes you can get things for less or paid more, depends on how many are looking for that one particular item at any given time.

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

Offer what you think it is worth to you, if you don't get it this time, you might next time, as it has happen to me.

Example, again, just this week I was bidding on a Eastwood AF red stake truck, lost out, as a bid went over my 35 max, but I got one this week on ebay for 18. All about timing.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:

From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM

I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58711 From: clayton deich Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Nice move Mike!
 Clayton Oregon


--- On Tue, 1/26/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 1:14 PM
















 









I was bidding on a S scale red stake truck with American Flyer on the side of it, as Eastwood put this out many years ago as a limited edition.



I have one, as I am using it on the layout with the saw mill.



I am having a hard time finding another stake truck, that I like, so I decided to look for another one of the Eastwood trucks, as I want to use it in the Apple Orchard.



I saw on ebay and put in a min. bid of 35.



today, while that bid was still open, I saw one for buy it now at 19.



I looked at the current bid on the other one and I see I was outbidded.



GREAT!!! LOL So, I got the other one for 19 and the shipping was less.



So you never know.



Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58712 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Thanks Pat, you just let the whole world know.

Just kidding.

I appreciate the heads up, but I got one coming already.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The Reardon's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



Hey Mike,

FYI & If you're interested, Ebay has a Winross - 1:64 scale - American Flyer truck listed now.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

As Bob, said, price guides are just a guide.

Sometimes you can get things for less or paid more, depends on how many are looking for that one particular item at any given time.

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

Offer what you think it is worth to you, if you don't get it this time, you might next time, as it has happen to me.

Example, again, just this week I was bidding on a Eastwood AF red stake truck, lost out, as a bid went over my 35 max, but I got one this week on ebay for 18. All about timing.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:

From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM

I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58713 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Thanks Clayton as it was all about timing.

LOL

mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clayton deich
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay



Nice move Mike!
Clayton Oregon

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 1:14 PM



I was bidding on a S scale red stake truck with American Flyer on the side of it, as Eastwood put this out many years ago as a limited edition.

I have one, as I am using it on the layout with the saw mill.

I am having a hard time finding another stake truck, that I like, so I decided to look for another one of the Eastwood trucks, as I want to use it in the Apple Orchard.

I saw on ebay and put in a min. bid of 35.

today, while that bid was still open, I saw one for buy it now at 19.

I looked at the current bid on the other one and I see I was outbidded.

GREAT!!! LOL So, I got the other one for 19 and the shipping was less.

So you never know.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58714 From: Thomas Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: AF 355 Question
Group,

I was able to wire my unit without a reverser, but I still have the diode in the circuit. Can I remove the diode without effecting the operation of the locomotive? Just asking.

Tom Kaufman
Group: S-Trains Message: 58715 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Pat,

I think that is the wrong one I got.

the one I got is from Eastwood, a red stake truck.

Thanks for pointing that out however.

Send me a lobster roll from Red's Eats. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



Thanks Pat, you just let the whole world know.

Just kidding.

I appreciate the heads up, but I got one coming already.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The Reardon's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

Hey Mike,

FYI & If you're interested, Ebay has a Winross - 1:64 scale - American Flyer truck listed now.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

As Bob, said, price guides are just a guide.

Sometimes you can get things for less or paid more, depends on how many are looking for that one particular item at any given time.

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

Offer what you think it is worth to you, if you don't get it this time, you might next time, as it has happen to me.

Example, again, just this week I was bidding on a Eastwood AF red stake truck, lost out, as a bid went over my 35 max, but I got one this week on ebay for 18. All about timing.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:

From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM

I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58716 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Ya, I know. Thought you might want some variety.

Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



Pat,

I think that is the wrong one I got.

the one I got is from Eastwood, a red stake truck.

Thanks for pointing that out however.

Send me a lobster roll from Red's Eats. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

Thanks Pat, you just let the whole world know.

Just kidding.

I appreciate the heads up, but I got one coming already.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The Reardon's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

Hey Mike,

FYI & If you're interested, Ebay has a Winross - 1:64 scale - American Flyer truck listed now.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

As Bob, said, price guides are just a guide.

Sometimes you can get things for less or paid more, depends on how many are looking for that one particular item at any given time.

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

Offer what you think it is worth to you, if you don't get it this time, you might next time, as it has happen to me.

Example, again, just this week I was bidding on a Eastwood AF red stake truck, lost out, as a bid went over my 35 max, but I got one this week on ebay for 18. All about timing.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:

From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM

I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58717 From: Larry Asp Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Robert - you should be able to fiind one for less than $475.00. Doyles 2007
book shows 3 versions of the 343, and lists the 1st Type if in C7 condition
for $175.00, the 2nd and 3rd Types $250.00. If in C8, then he suggests
$350.00 - $450.00. A fair price might lie somewhere between these two
guides, but if its a really nice piece its sometimes worth paying a little
more for it, especially if its your first. Prices will be affected by the
market you are looking in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert hendrickson" <canambob91710k@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?


You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:


From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM






I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide
(1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they
list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent
(C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475.
I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it
is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20%
in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58718 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
LOL

That is okay, I appreciate the help.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The Reardon's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



Ya, I know. Thought you might want some variety.

Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

Pat,

I think that is the wrong one I got.

the one I got is from Eastwood, a red stake truck.

Thanks for pointing that out however.

Send me a lobster roll from Red's Eats. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

Thanks Pat, you just let the whole world know.

Just kidding.

I appreciate the heads up, but I got one coming already.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The Reardon's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

Hey Mike,

FYI & If you're interested, Ebay has a Winross - 1:64 scale - American Flyer truck listed now.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

As Bob, said, price guides are just a guide.

Sometimes you can get things for less or paid more, depends on how many are looking for that one particular item at any given time.

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

Offer what you think it is worth to you, if you don't get it this time, you might next time, as it has happen to me.

Example, again, just this week I was bidding on a Eastwood AF red stake truck, lost out, as a bid went over my 35 max, but I got one this week on ebay for 18. All about timing.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@...> wrote:

From: Ken <kdeboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM

I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent (C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475. I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20% in less than a year...
What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,
Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58719 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
All the previous comments are correct, but the reality is that when you go to a train show or swap meet, you see lots of people with Greenberg's in their pockets.  Almost everybody uses it as a starting point in price negotiations.  Is it "accurate"?  Not exactly, but it is so pervasive a guide that its influence is powerful.  My personal experience is that pricing is driven by Greenbergs, but not at Greenberg's prices. I typically hold out for 20% to 30% off Greenberg prices unless I really want something and have been trying for a long time to get one.  I have talked to people that say they never pay more than 50% of Greenberg.

While you hear an increasing number of people refer to Doyle's book, most of the people I know don't put much stock in his prices.  Greenberg is the standard.


--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote:

From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:27 PM







 









Robert - you should be able to fiind one for less than $475.00. Doyles 2007

book shows 3 versions of the 343, and lists the 1st Type if in C7 condition

for $175.00, the 2nd and 3rd Types $250.00. If in C8, then he suggests

$350.00 - $450.00. A fair price might lie somewhere between these two

guides, but if its a really nice piece its sometimes worth paying a little

more for it, especially if its your first. Prices will be affected by the

market you are looking in.

----- Original Message -----

From: "robert hendrickson" <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>

To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible



--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@silk- n-dope.com> wrote:



From: Ken <kdeboy@silk- n-dope.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM



I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide

(1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they

list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent

(C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475.

I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it

is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20%

in less than a year...

What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?



Thanks,

Ken



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58720 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
I agree with Robert Graves.

And I too do not take stock in Doyle's book, only when buying trains, that is great.

I mentioned this last year, while in Maine in October I came across a antique dealer who was going by the Doyle book, as he discounted the trains even more. LOL

Also, at a train show in Timonium, I came across someone who was not into trains, as he was selling his Uncles trains. they where given to him, and he was using the Greenberg book, but he discounted the train another 25% as I got a great needed T&P engine, that has Texas on it, not AF, for 500. He was happy with getting 500 for something given to him, so you never know when you might run into something like this.

mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?



All the previous comments are correct, but the reality is that when you go to a train show or swap meet, you see lots of people with Greenberg's in their pockets. Almost everybody uses it as a starting point in price negotiations. Is it "accurate"? Not exactly, but it is so pervasive a guide that its influence is powerful. My personal experience is that pricing is driven by Greenbergs, but not at Greenberg's prices. I typically hold out for 20% to 30% off Greenberg prices unless I really want something and have been trying for a long time to get one. I have talked to people that say they never pay more than 50% of Greenberg.

While you hear an increasing number of people refer to Doyle's book, most of the people I know don't put much stock in his prices. Greenberg is the standard.

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote:

From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:27 PM



Robert - you should be able to fiind one for less than $475.00. Doyles 2007

book shows 3 versions of the 343, and lists the 1st Type if in C7 condition

for $175.00, the 2nd and 3rd Types $250.00. If in C8, then he suggests

$350.00 - $450.00. A fair price might lie somewhere between these two

guides, but if its a really nice piece its sometimes worth paying a little

more for it, especially if its your first. Prices will be affected by the

market you are looking in.

----- Original Message -----

From: "robert hendrickson" <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>

To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

You must keep in mind that Greenbergs is a guide not a Bible

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Ken <kdeboy@silk- n-dope.com> wrote:

From: Ken <kdeboy@silk- n-dope.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenberg's?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:10 PM

I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide

(1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information? For example they

list the 343 locomotive as being worth between $354 and $408 in excellent

(C7) condition. The cheapest I've been able to find one offered for is $475.

I know the book was actually printed in 2009 but with the economy the way it

is I can't imagine this engine would have increased in value by almost 20%

in less than a year...

What is a realistic price to pay for a 343 in C7 condition? C8?

Thanks,

Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58721 From: Gary Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: 24577 J75 containers
i recently picked up a nice 24577 TurboJet Containers on flatcar and wondering if the containers should be attached by any other means than gravity(?)

i'd like to find that sort of glue advertisers use to attach those phony credit cards to letters. tacky enough to hold something, but easily pulled off without damage. anyone know of something like that? i'd rather not have those container lids constantly falling off in transport and handling.

thanks...gary
Group: S-Trains Message: 58722 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: 24577 J75 containers
Hi Gary,

You might give rubber cement a try. Use a couple of drops rather than
coating the entire surface. I use it for a variety of applications.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:56 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 24577 J75 containers

i recently picked up a nice 24577 TurboJet Containers on flatcar and
wondering if the containers should be attached by any other means than
gravity(?)

i'd like to find that sort of glue advertisers use to attach those phony
credit cards to letters. tacky enough to hold something, but easily
pulled off without damage. anyone know of something like that? i'd
rather not have those container lids constantly falling off in transport
and handling.

thanks...gary
Group: S-Trains Message: 58723 From: michael prell Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Joseph Lechner's Train History
It continues to fascinate me when I read Dr. Lechner's daily Train History post on the TCA
post. At first I'd read it and discard it, but oneday back in June I realized what a treasure I was throwing away. Since then I've saved just about every daily contribution to the point where I've just started Vol. Deux.   Since this is purely for my own enjoyment, with no intention of ever distributing same for profit or for any other reason, I feel it safe to suggest that this daily saving of Dr. Lechner's historic account of railroad history is one that others might consider doing.It Besides, it helps make those cold winter 3 AM nights go by more pleasantly.
Keep up the great work, Sir!
Mike Prell
P.S.  I plan to buy about ten ink carts and print off what I have so far so that some day my Grand Kids can enjoy the same. {8>)


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58724 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: 24577 J75 containers
Hi Gary,
� I would not suggest putting any glue on that car.  The Jet Fuel containers should fit properly and should not come off the car unless you flip it.  If the car is all original, it's a true collector's item.  I believe there were repros of these cars.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Gary <archie-the-cat@...> wrote:

From: Gary <archie-the-cat@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 24577 J75 containers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 10:56 AM







 









i recently picked up a nice 24577 TurboJet Containers on flatcar and wondering if the containers should be attached by any other means than gravity(?)



i'd like to find that sort of glue advertisers use to attach those phony credit cards to letters. tacky enough to hold something, but easily pulled off without damage. anyone know of something like that? i'd rather not have those container lids constantly falling off in transport and handling.



thanks...gary

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58725 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Photos
I have been trying to download some photos and I am getting errors on the download.

Is this just my computer or something system wide?

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58726 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: 24577 J75 containers
Gary,

The "jet engine" containers are supposed to have little "clips" (for
lack of a better word) that catch the edge of the flatcar and keep it in
place. There's supposed to be one on each side. They are part of the
mold for the bottom half of the engine container. These are commonly
broken off and that is what I suspect happened to yours.

Daryl



On 1/29/2010 10:56 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> i recently picked up a nice 24577 TurboJet Containers on flatcar and
> wondering if the containers should be attached by any other means than
> gravity(?)
>
> i'd like to find that sort of glue advertisers use to attach those
> phony credit cards to letters. tacky enough to hold something, but
> easily pulled off without damage. anyone know of something like that?
> i'd rather not have those container lids constantly falling off in
> transport and handling.
>
> thanks...gary
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58727 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
An unfortunate fallacy -- ebay can be a very misleading source of prices.
It is prone to the various effects of isolated bidding events (i.e., the
passion of the moment, the lack of an interested party during a piece's
listing, etc.). Condition is often in question by viewing pictures on ebay.
And, how does one obtain an average from just one bidding result?

Greenberg's prices are usually somewhat too low for truly nice pieces. Its
listings are full of errors and it does not list complete sets. Doyle's
book is not bad for prices for 3-digit Flyer, but is too low generally for
desirable 5-digit. An underlying flaw in Doyle's approach is that a jury of
collectors was asked what they would be willing to pay for pieces, not
asking prices or sales prices observed to have been actually fetched.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 1/29/2010 6:11:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58728 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
I would forget asking prices. Some of those asking prices are still being asked by the same seller for the same piece two years down the line. Mall and boutique Antique shops are full of furniture and collectables that have been in the shop for years at an optomistic asking price. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: rbubeck327@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:52 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?



An unfortunate fallacy -- ebay can be a very misleading source of prices.
It is prone to the various effects of isolated bidding events (i.e., the
passion of the moment, the lack of an interested party during a piece's
listing, etc.). Condition is often in question by viewing pictures on ebay.
And, how does one obtain an average from just one bidding result?

Greenberg's prices are usually somewhat too low for truly nice pieces. Its
listings are full of errors and it does not list complete sets. Doyle's
book is not bad for prices for 3-digit Flyer, but is too low generally for
desirable 5-digit. An underlying flaw in Doyle's approach is that a jury of
collectors was asked what they would be willing to pay for pieces, not
asking prices or sales prices observed to have been actually fetched.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 1/29/2010 6:11:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58729 From: Jerry Hiett Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgs
The best glue for doing that kind of work is Leaches 6-minute epoxy. It is hard to find in some areas of the country. It is so much better than any other brand of epoxy that there is no comparison.

It sets fast enough that it easy to hold the sections until the epoxy is set.

I have filled areas with it and then drilled later with a standard electric drill.

Jerry

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> From: tennsgauge@...
> Sent: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:52:21 EST
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM,
> SHS, Tom Hodgson pass cars)
>
> I have several projects I need to adhere plastic to plastic and one where
> I
> need to adhere wood to plastic. ]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58730 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: Photos
I have been getting problems trying to up load my pics here, and I use Yahoo.

However, when I up load at my hotmail account no problem exists

--- Rich




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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 4:28:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Photos


I have been trying to download some photos and I am getting errors on the download.

Is this just my computer or something system wide?

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58731 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: Photos
Thanks Rich, as I think that confirms it is a yahoo problem then.

Hugo will have them sacked by morning.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Falzini
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Photos



I have been getting problems trying to up load my pics here, and I use Yahoo.

However, when I up load at my hotmail account no problem exists

--- Rich

________________________________
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 4:28:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Photos

I have been trying to download some photos and I am getting errors on the download.

Is this just my computer or something system wide?

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58732 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Hi Bob,
� Ebay's prices appear to be going lower than Greenberg's or Doyles price guides.
I've seen Baker Chocolate and other rare cars 30% to 50% cheaper than book value.  I haven't had a Greenberg Price guide for some time now, but I can't believe the prices went up that much.  Let's use the 343 for example since the original message for this topic came from someone trying to buy a 343. In 1997 Greenberg's Guide lists a 343 Reverse in Tender
Good $110 Excellent $360, 343 Reverse on Motor Good $125, Excellent $400.  1998 same loco same prices as 1997, 1999 same loco, all the same except Reverse on Motor down to $395.  I believe Greenberg researches auctions such as Ted Maurer and feedback from train sellers who do Greenberg and other shows to make their price listings.  I believe most of the research was done years ago and most prices don't move that much.  I haven't seen a Greenberg guide recently, but the only two listings I ever seen from them was Good and Excellent.  Good condition is most likely for operators.  So there is a lot of bargaining you can do between Good & Excellent.  Like New & Boxed items may bring three times the price of excellent condition.  Those who are true collectors will pay these prices to get these kind of pieces.   For those just getting into the trains, the Greenberg book is most likely the easiest to use.  In fairness to Doyle, I've never seen one of
his books,  but Greenberg's seem to be the standard as Bob said.  I believe you could still buy a 343 in Excellent condition for $350.00.  Something everyone should consider is A.C. Gilbert American Flyer "S" Gauge was made or cataloged for 20 years 1946 to 1966 and the available pieces are drying up.  So maybe the prices aren't that bad.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote:

From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:22 PM







 









An unfortunate fallacy -- ebay can be a very misleading source of prices.

It is prone to the various effects of isolated bidding events (i.e., the

passion of the moment, the lack of an interested party during a piece's

listing, etc.). Condition is often in question by viewing pictures on ebay.

And, how does one obtain an average from just one bidding result?



Greenberg's prices are usually somewhat too low for truly nice pieces. Its

listings are full of errors and it does not list complete sets. Doyle's

book is not bad for prices for 3-digit Flyer, but is too low generally for

desirable 5-digit. An underlying flaw in Doyle's approach is that a jury of

collectors was asked what they would be willing to pay for pieces, not

asking prices or sales prices observed to have been actually fetched.



Bob Bubeck





In a message dated 1/29/2010 6:11:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes:



ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58733 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/29/2010
Subject: Re: Photos
Sounds like something from the opening credits of Monty Python & the Holy Grail. Those responsible for sacking them have just been sacked

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Photos
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 7:45 PM


 



Thanks Rich, as I think that confirms it is a yahoo problem then.

Hugo will have them sacked by morning.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Falzini
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Photos

I have been getting problems trying to up load my pics here, and I use Yahoo.

However, when I up load at my hotmail account no problem exists

--- Rich

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To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>; S Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups .com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 4:28:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Photos

I have been trying to download some photos and I am getting errors on the download.

Is this just my computer or something system wide?

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58734 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodg
I glued some plastic rods, .033 diameter together with Plastistruct glue and that worked out real well.

Easy to use, use a dabber, and it really holds.

I will never use Super glue again, as I will use this for household things.

I also used it to glue cardboard (paper) to plastic for something on the layout.

As for finding the other glue, that was mention, due a google search and it comes up as Tower 6 hour expoxy sold by a hobby shoppe, as I think it might be the same thing.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hiett
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM, SHS, Tom Hodgson pass cars)



The best glue for doing that kind of work is Leaches 6-minute epoxy. It is hard to find in some areas of the country. It is so much better than any other brand of epoxy that there is no comparison.

It sets fast enough that it easy to hold the sections until the epoxy is set.

I have filled areas with it and then drilled later with a standard electric drill.

Jerry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tennsgauge@...
> Sent: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:52:21 EST
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] adhesives, glues, epoxy etc for model trains (AM,
> SHS, Tom Hodgson pass cars)
>
> I have several projects I need to adhere plastic to plastic and one where
> I
> need to adhere wood to plastic. ]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58735 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Train Room Now Has Style
http://www.martinfurniture.com/collections/office/contemporary/OB_Bookcases.html

My train room is now with style, as I ordered a bookcase for the room to hold the excess cars that I will be using on the layout.

I did a search for book cases over a year ago and I saw this line of book cases from Martin Furniture company, as contemporary is the taste we have in furniture in the house.

And I see that Kathy Ireland design this furniture and other things for this company. Right.

I wonder if they will include a free Kathy Ireland Beer poster, as she used to do that about 20 years ago for one of the major beer companies.

If not, I can always bid on this one on Ebay. That will go good with the Zippy print I have. Then the train room will really have class. LOL Right.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kathy-Ireland-St.-Patricks-Day-Budweiser-Poster-_W0QQitemZ120521987139QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100124?IMSfp=TL100124151005r10547

The other good thing about this book case, is, that I was able to order extra shelves, since I am not storing books in it.

I will have fabric cut to go on top of each shelve, so the cars will not roll around.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58736 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Big Boy followup (It lives)
With the able assistance and skill of Carl Tuveson, the SnS Big Boy is
rockin' and rollin' as it should have out of the box.
It took three separate actions to solve and correct the derailing and
shorting that I was experiencing.

1. There were two loose screws that were supposed to be holding the rear
coupler arm in place. Since this arm has current going to it for the
magnetic coupling it required the tender to be disassembled and the screws
tightened down through the floor of the tender. They are now securely in place
with a little acc thrown in for good measure thanks to Carl. That took care of
the shorting problem .

2. I moved the rear set of flanged tender wheels forward one space on the
caterpillar truck. There was still some bouncing and bumping on my American
Models track. The flanges are HUGE, so............

3. I removed both sets of the flanged rear tender wheels and both sets of
front tender wheels and turned the flanges down on the lathe 20
thousandths, and reassembled them in the same order as reported above. It looks much
better and...........

4.0 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....smooth as glass and hasn't skipped a beat on
double switches and crossovers or ANYTHING. Now I can say I love this thing.
I operate TMCC, and the sound is just awesome..

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise
Carl Tuveson's able assistance the SnS Big Boy is rockingg and rolling as
it should have from the factory.





.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58737 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Not necessary, as sometimes I have seen Ebay go higher and lower.

It is all about who is bidding and why.

Hit and miss with pricing and that is a good thing.

Mike Marmer

----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?



Hi Bob,
� Ebay's prices appear to be going lower than Greenberg's or Doyles price guides.
I've seen Baker Chocolate and other rare cars 30% to 50% cheaper than book value. I haven't had a Greenberg Price guide for some time now, but I can't believe the prices went up that much. Let's use the 343 for example since the original message for this topic came from someone trying to buy a 343. In 1997 Greenberg's Guide lists a 343 Reverse in Tender
Good $110 Excellent $360, 343 Reverse on Motor Good $125, Excellent $400. 1998 same loco same prices as 1997, 1999 same loco, all the same except Reverse on Motor down to $395. I believe Greenberg researches auctions such as Ted Maurer and feedback from train sellers who do Greenberg and other shows to make their price listings. I believe most of the research was done years ago and most prices don't move that much. I haven't seen a Greenberg guide recently, but the only two listings I ever seen from them was Good and Excellent. Good condition is most likely for operators. So there is a lot of bargaining you can do between Good & Excellent. Like New & Boxed items may bring three times the price of excellent condition. Those who are true collectors will pay these prices to get these kind of pieces. For those just getting into the trains, the Greenberg book is most likely the easiest to use. In fairness to Doyle, I've never seen one of
his books, but Greenberg's seem to be the standard as Bob said. I believe you could still buy a 343 in Excellent condition for $350.00. Something everyone should consider is A.C. Gilbert American Flyer "S" Gauge was made or cataloged for 20 years 1946 to 1966 and the available pieces are drying up. So maybe the prices aren't that bad.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote:

From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:22 PM



An unfortunate fallacy -- ebay can be a very misleading source of prices.

It is prone to the various effects of isolated bidding events (i.e., the

passion of the moment, the lack of an interested party during a piece's

listing, etc.). Condition is often in question by viewing pictures on ebay.

And, how does one obtain an average from just one bidding result?

Greenberg's prices are usually somewhat too low for truly nice pieces. Its

listings are full of errors and it does not list complete sets. Doyle's

book is not bad for prices for 3-digit Flyer, but is too low generally for

desirable 5-digit. An underlying flaw in Doyle's approach is that a jury of

collectors was asked what they would be willing to pay for pieces, not

asking prices or sales prices observed to have been actually fetched.

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 1/29/2010 6:11:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes:

ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58738 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Ah, but is one sure of the condition of that Baker's you "saw" on ebay?
Many serious collectors who desire superior condition stay away from ebay,
because they wish to physically inspect the piece. Lack of trust, if you
will. Consequently, the real high end remains very much a marketplace of
one-on-one transactions.

I agree with much of the rest of your comments, It appears that Greenberg
(Kalmbach, actually) is often used as a starting point, but hashing through
the history of their pricing is a weak exercise. Kalmbach does little to
seriously update their guide every year. Flyonel that was cataloged but
never produced is listed with selling prices. The biggest change year over year
is the cover. The general lack of suitability of the Greenberg guide was
what prompted me to do the TM AF Guide. Oddly enough, lots of goofy errors
are creeping into their listings. For example, look up 301 for a laugh. :-)

Bob Bubeck




In a message dated 1/30/2010 6:16:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

I've seen Baker Chocolate and other rare cars 30% to 50% cheaper than book
value. I haven't had a Greenberg Price guide for some time now, but I
can't believe the prices went up that much. Let's use the 343 for example
since the original message for this topic came from someone trying to buy a
343. In 1997 Greenberg's Guide lists a 343 Reverse in Tender
Good $110 Excellent $360, 343 Reverse on Motor Good $125, Excellent $400.
1998 same loco same prices as 1997, 1999 same loco, all the same except
Reverse on Motor down to $395. I believe Greenberg researches auctions such
as Ted Maurer and feedback from train sellers who do Greenberg and other
shows to make their price listings. I believe most of the research was done
years ago and most prices don't move that much. I haven't seen a
Greenberg guide recently, but the only two listings I ever seen from them was Good
and Excellent. Good condition is most likely for operators. So there is a
lot of bargaining you can do between Good & Excellent. Like New & Boxed
items may bring three times the price of excellent condition. Those who are
true collectors will pay these prices to get these kind of pieces.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58739 From: Dave Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: AF - HO Decals Update
We have started to list the American Flyer "HO" decals at our web site. The first ones are the MoPac #33000 series passenger car decals.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58740 From: sscalemn Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kdeboy@...> wrote:
>
> I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information?

I have read the inputs on this subject with great interest over the last couple of days. I agree with some that has been stated but quite disagree with some other statements.

Should Greenberg's just be looked at as a guide? Yes, I think so. When presented with an AF piece, especially with a variation, I look at Greenberg's only to rejuvenate my memory on "relative value". John Heck made the statement that prices in Greenberg's book are simultaneously way too high for "common items" are way too low for rare and items in fantastic condition and I agree.

What I take exception with, though, is statements to the effect that eBay prices are totally wrong. I think if you take and add up all of the AF pieces that sell in a year's time from flea markets, antique shops, estate sales, live auctions, online auctions other than eBay and shows like York or S Fest that total will be a very small percentage of the total number of items that sell on eBay. This is so, even, if you remove all eBay items which opened with a high reserve. eBay IS the collectible market place!

From a strictly business point of view, eBay HAS set the prices! I remeber when an original Gabe the Lamplighter went on eBay for nearly $4000. By the time the repros came out, they were selling for less than $1000 and then the repros knocked that out and originals now go for less than $200.

So - use all resources at your disposal. Look at Greenberg's guide, look at Doyle's book and Bubeck's guide and wonder about the differences. But when it comes time to pony up your hard earned cash for an item you really want, go and search completed auctions on eBay for your item. Understand that you really cannot get a perfect idea, especially with some of the photos and descriptions provided by some sellers, of the quality of the piece. All of this information will allow you to say to that flea market vendor - you are crazy - these goe for $xyz on eBay or when you see an eBay item with a high starting bid and a reserve pay it now more attention.

Walt
Group: S-Trains Message: 58741 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?
From what I observed at the hobby shop and at train shows, Greenberg's guides seem inaccurate. Usually higher than the price that an item will actually get, and they seem slow in lowering those prices in these economic times. Both Lionel and Flyer are getting lower prices now because items are sitting around with fewer buyers.
EBay,as pointed out, cannot be used as a price guide because the prices vary so wildly. I have observed very poor items, even junk box stuff that I buy and rebuild, going for prices WAY more than they should. On the other hand, there are some really nice things (if they are as they were described) that I felt sold much too low. Another problem with eBay is that it is always a risk that you are actually going to get an item as described. I would never buy a really top price item there. I want to see what I'm paying for, not an questionable photo!
The really top level condition items will alway get the best prices, and are worth it. The real question comes when items are of mid-range quality as there is wide varience in prices paid, usually lower than price guides quote, especially these days.
I have also noticed that there are many dealers from the East Coast who price above the guides and just carry the stuff like a "traveling museum," while Midwestern prices seem more realistic. The eBay sales seem to bare this regional bias out as well. My guess is that the cost of living is much higher there than the Midwest, affecting prices.
One would do well to consider that the publishers of price guides have an incentive to keep prices high because they "live" off the hobby. If it is perceived that prices are down and the market is shrinking, so will demand for their guides.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58742 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
I believe your comments are right on the money.  John Heck prices his stuff better than anyone and in almost all cases, he under rates quality items.  Best places to get good buys on Flyer are York and the "S" Fest.  You will find all the top sellers at these locations.  No one wants to travel to York and bring home a lot of stuff.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, sscalemn <sscale@...> wrote:

From: sscalemn <sscale@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 9:17 AM







 













--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Ken" <kdeboy@...> wrote:

>

> I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information?



I have read the inputs on this subject with great interest over the last couple of days. I agree with some that has been stated but quite disagree with some other statements.



Should Greenberg's just be looked at as a guide? Yes, I think so. When presented with an AF piece, especially with a variation, I look at Greenberg's only to rejuvenate my memory on "relative value". John Heck made the statement that prices in Greenberg's book are simultaneously way too high for "common items" are way too low for rare and items in fantastic condition and I agree.



What I take exception with, though, is statements to the effect that eBay prices are totally wrong. I think if you take and add up all of the AF pieces that sell in a year's time from flea markets, antique shops, estate sales, live auctions, online auctions other than eBay and shows like York or S Fest that total will be a very small percentage of the total number of items that sell on eBay. This is so, even, if you remove all eBay items which opened with a high reserve. eBay IS the collectible market place!



From a strictly business point of view, eBay HAS set the prices! I remeber when an original Gabe the Lamplighter went on eBay for nearly $4000. By the time the repros came out, they were selling for less than $1000 and then the repros knocked that out and originals now go for less than $200.



So - use all resources at your disposal. Look at Greenberg's guide, look at Doyle's book and Bubeck's guide and wonder about the differences. But when it comes time to pony up your hard earned cash for an item you really want, go and search completed auctions on eBay for your item. Understand that you really cannot get a perfect idea, especially with some of the photos and descriptions provided by some sellers, of the quality of the piece. All of this information will allow you to say to that flea market vendor - you are crazy - these goe for $xyz on eBay or when you see an eBay item with a high starting bid and a reserve pay it now more attention.



Walt

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58743 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Hi Mike,
There is a 24320 Deep Rock on E Bay at this time.  I'm not sure of the item #.  Lets see how that goes.  I have in the past sold a lot of high end Flyer on consignment. Mostly in the late eighties and nineties.  Looking at ebay and some other sellers list, I see a decline in the prices, but Ebay as you say can go anywhere.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:14 AM







 









Not necessary, as sometimes I have seen Ebay go higher and lower.



It is all about who is bidding and why.



Hit and miss with pricing and that is a good thing.



Mike Marmer



----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:09 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?



Hi Bob,

� Ebay's prices appear to be going lower than Greenberg's or Doyles price guides.

I've seen Baker Chocolate and other rare cars 30% to 50% cheaper than book value. I haven't had a Greenberg Price guide for some time now, but I can't believe the prices went up that much. Let's use the 343 for example since the original message for this topic came from someone trying to buy a 343. In 1997 Greenberg's Guide lists a 343 Reverse in Tender

Good $110 Excellent $360, 343 Reverse on Motor Good $125, Excellent $400. 1998 same loco same prices as 1997, 1999 same loco, all the same except Reverse on Motor down to $395. I believe Greenberg researches auctions such as Ted Maurer and feedback from train sellers who do Greenberg and other shows to make their price listings. I believe most of the research was done years ago and most prices don't move that much. I haven't seen a Greenberg guide recently, but the only two listings I ever seen from them was Good and Excellent. Good condition is most likely for operators. So there is a lot of bargaining you can do between Good & Excellent. Like New & Boxed items may bring three times the price of excellent condition. Those who are true collectors will pay these prices to get these kind of pieces. For those just getting into the trains, the Greenberg book is most likely the easiest to use. In fairness to Doyle, I've never seen one of

his books, but Greenberg's seem to be the standard as Bob said. I believe you could still buy a 343 in Excellent condition for $350.00. Something everyone should consider is A.C. Gilbert American Flyer "S" Gauge was made or cataloged for 20 years 1946 to 1966 and the available pieces are drying up. So maybe the prices aren't that bad.

� Tom Seccia



--- On Fri, 1/29/10, rbubeck327@aol. com <rbubeck327@aol. com> wrote:



From: rbubeck327@aol. com <rbubeck327@aol. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:22 PM



An unfortunate fallacy -- ebay can be a very misleading source of prices.



It is prone to the various effects of isolated bidding events (i.e., the



passion of the moment, the lack of an interested party during a piece's



listing, etc.). Condition is often in question by viewing pictures on ebay.



And, how does one obtain an average from just one bidding result?



Greenberg's prices are usually somewhat too low for truly nice pieces. Its



listings are full of errors and it does not list complete sets. Doyle's



book is not bad for prices for 3-digit Flyer, but is too low generally for



desirable 5-digit. An underlying flaw in Doyle's approach is that a jury of



collectors was asked what they would be willing to pay for pieces, not



asking prices or sales prices observed to have been actually fetched.



Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 1/29/2010 6:11:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,



S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes:



ebay is prefect, as prices varies due to demand and that is great.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58744 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Well stated, Walt.

On 1/30/2010 9:17 AM, sscalemn wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Ken" <kdeboy@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price
> Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information?
>
> I have read the inputs on this subject with great interest over the
> last couple of days. I agree with some that has been stated but quite
> disagree with some other statements.
>
> Should Greenberg's just be looked at as a guide? Yes, I think so. When
> presented with an AF piece, especially with a variation, I look at
> Greenberg's only to rejuvenate my memory on "relative value". John
> Heck made the statement that prices in Greenberg's book are
> simultaneously way too high for "common items" are way too low for
> rare and items in fantastic condition and I agree.
>
> What I take exception with, though, is statements to the effect that
> eBay prices are totally wrong. I think if you take and add up all of
> the AF pieces that sell in a year's time from flea markets, antique
> shops, estate sales, live auctions, online auctions other than eBay
> and shows like York or S Fest that total will be a very small
> percentage of the total number of items that sell on eBay. This is so,
> even, if you remove all eBay items which opened with a high reserve.
> eBay IS the collectible market place!
>
> >From a strictly business point of view, eBay HAS set the prices! I
> remeber when an original Gabe the Lamplighter went on eBay for nearly
> $4000. By the time the repros came out, they were selling for less
> than $1000 and then the repros knocked that out and originals now go
> for less than $200.
>
> So - use all resources at your disposal. Look at Greenberg's guide,
> look at Doyle's book and Bubeck's guide and wonder about the
> differences. But when it comes time to pony up your hard earned cash
> for an item you really want, go and search completed auctions on eBay
> for your item. Understand that you really cannot get a perfect idea,
> especially with some of the photos and descriptions provided by some
> sellers, of the quality of the piece. All of this information will
> allow you to say to that flea market vendor - you are crazy - these
> goe for $xyz on eBay or when you see an eBay item with a high starting
> bid and a reserve pay it now more attention.
>
> Walt
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58745 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?
There is an auction on E bay for a 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car.  Item 270521251355.  Current bid is $271.66.  Reserve not met.  I believe Greenberg's guide list this as $600 in Excellent Condition.  This car appears to be in excellent condition from the photos and the description.
Lets see if this mets the reserve price and sells.  Speaking to many collectors, they say this is the hardest tank car to get.
                                                  Tom Seccia
                                                  






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58746 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Leaches 6-minute epoxy
HI Jerry,



I Googled Leaches 6-minute epoxy and only found 6 minute epoxies in general.
Google thinks I should be looking for leeches. Would you be able to
provide more contact info form the epoxy containers?



I'm always interested in trying adhesives and have tried many different
ones. The best I've found for metal to wood so far is Loctite E-120HP.
Their E-20HP isn't bad either, though I think not quite as strong.
Unfortunately, these are not for quick fixes, the numbers indicate setting
time in minutes.



Thanks,



Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

<http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58747 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Hi Bob,
� The TM guide is the best for a breakdown of condition with prices. VG etc.  That more or less goes along with the TCA ratings.  If someone is just getting their trains out of the attic and don't have anything to judge their value, the Greenberg guide is OK.  I don't know if it's worth it to buy a new one every year.  I used to sell the Greenberg Guide in my store.   In a ten year period, I did not see the prices move that much.
� Tom Seccia


--- On Sat, 1/30/10, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote:

From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 8:58 AM







 









Ah, but is one sure of the condition of that Baker's you "saw" on ebay?

Many serious collectors who desire superior condition stay away from ebay,

because they wish to physically inspect the piece. Lack of trust, if you

will. Consequently, the real high end remains very much a marketplace of

one-on-one transactions.



I agree with much of the rest of your comments, It appears that Greenberg

(Kalmbach, actually) is often used as a starting point, but hashing through

the history of their pricing is a weak exercise. Kalmbach does little to

seriously update their guide every year. Flyonel that was cataloged but

never produced is listed with selling prices. The biggest change year over year

is the cover. The general lack of suitability of the Greenberg guide was

what prompted me to do the TM AF Guide. Oddly enough, lots of goofy errors

are creeping into their listings. For example, look up 301 for a laugh. :-)



Bob Bubeck









In a message dated 1/30/2010 6:16:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes:



I've seen Baker Chocolate and other rare cars 30% to 50% cheaper than book

value. I haven't had a Greenberg Price guide for some time now, but I

can't believe the prices went up that much. Let's use the 343 for example

since the original message for this topic came from someone trying to buy a

343. In 1997 Greenberg's Guide lists a 343 Reverse in Tender

Good $110 Excellent $360, 343 Reverse on Motor Good $125, Excellent $400.

1998 same loco same prices as 1997, 1999 same loco, all the same except

Reverse on Motor down to $395. I believe Greenberg researches auctions such

as Ted Maurer and feedback from train sellers who do Greenberg and other

shows to make their price listings. I believe most of the research was done

years ago and most prices don't move that much. I haven't seen a

Greenberg guide recently, but the only two listings I ever seen from them was Good

and Excellent. Good condition is most likely for operators. So there is a

lot of bargaining you can do between Good & Excellent. Like New & Boxed

items may bring three times the price of excellent condition. Those who are

true collectors will pay these prices to get these kind of pieces.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58748 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
I just took a look at the 24320 on eBay. The listing states and pictures show that it has solid couplers. Latest Greenberg Guide that I have (2009), states a value of $208 in Excellent condition for the solid coupler version and $560 for the Pike Master coupler version. How does this track with the 2010 Greenberg Guide?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> There is an auction on E bay for a 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car.  Item 270521251355.  Current bid is $271.66.  Reserve not met.  I believe Greenberg's guide list this as $600 in Excellent Condition.  This car appears to be in excellent condition from the photos and the description.
> Lets see if this mets the reserve price and sells.  Speaking to many collectors, they say this is the hardest tank car to get.
>                                                   Tom Seccia
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58749 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: PAGING BILL LANE
Bill, I sent you a Paypal invoice & an E-Mail. Check your SPAM Folder. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58750 From: grant Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Factory repair binder
I have been seeing a factory repair binder on ebay - both SW & the actual binder and was wondering if this has more information than the Aurotech service manual that I already own.
The pages in the ebay photos look the same as the book.
Thanks
Grant
Group: S-Trains Message: 58751 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Factory repair binder
Grant,

You might want to look at this web page: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/GilbertFactoryManual

Chuck

http://www.myflyertrains.org
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!


On Jan 30, 2010, at 2:38 PM, grant wrote:

> I have been seeing a factory repair binder on ebay - both SW & the actual binder and was wondering if this has more information than the Aurotech service manual that I already own.
> The pages in the ebay photos look the same as the book.
> Thanks
> Grant
>
>
> R


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58752 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Factory repair binder
Hi Grant,
If you are looking for a Service Manual with more information than Aurotech or K-Line, please check out my e bay auctions.  I just sold one of the books in the auction and there are three more listed items 33039957066, 330399570951, 330399576591.  The book is Parts & Service for A.C. Gilbert American Flyer Trains HO-O-S Gauge. Book is 200 pages spiral bound.  Photos of some of the pages are there. Different than Aurotech/K-Line book.  Unless you're looking for a collector's item such as an original Factory Manual, my book has much to offer you.  My seller's handle on ebay is ssstrains.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, grant <gwbishop@...> wrote:

From: grant <gwbishop@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Factory repair binder
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 2:38 PM







 









I have been seeing a factory repair binder on ebay - both SW & the actual binder and was wondering if this has more information than the Aurotech service manual that I already own.

The pages in the ebay photos look the same as the book.

Thanks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58753 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
I don't have a later Greenberg guide,  I made an error on my last posting where I said the 24320 listed in Greenberg's for $600. The 24319 Penn Salt was listed right above it for $590.  The 24320 listed in excellent in 1999 for $410.   In all the Greenberg books I have there are no listings of the 24320 Deep Rock with Pikemaster couplers.   This car as the 24066 L&N Box Car, the 24106 PRR Gondola and some other solid knuckle cars are uncataloged in 1960 and possibly some other years maybe 1961.  Tank cars were not made with Pikemaster trucks until 1961 and then came with split tanks and frames.  Since the Greenberg guide is now listing it for under $300, perhaps John Heck is correct with his assessment of the Greenberg guide.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote:

From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:30 PM







 













I just took a look at the 24320 on eBay. The listing states and pictures show that it has solid couplers. Latest Greenberg Guide that I have (2009), states a value of $208 in Excellent condition for the solid coupler version and $560 for the Pike Master coupler version. How does this track with the 2010 Greenberg Guide?



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:

>

> There is an auction on E bay for a 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car. Item 270521251355. Current bid is $271.66. Reserve not met. I believe Greenberg's guide list this as $600 in Excellent Condition. This car appears to be in excellent condition from the photos and the description.

> Lets see if this mets the reserve price and sells. Speaking to many collectors, they say this is the hardest tank car to get.

> Tom Seccia

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58754 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Tom The Dancing Bug
http://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug/

This is a weekly comic I get emailed to me, as the topics vary on what is going on in the world.

This one deals with ebay, as no trains are involve, but ebay is part of the collecting word, so I thought the moderators might let it go, since we can relate to it.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58755 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Talking Station Wiring
Hi All,

Anyone who has tried the wire the talking station using the AF instructions diagram knows you can't get it right without good luck! Evidently my luck is running on the bad side today - lol!

I think I have the wires hooked up correctly as follows:

Green to button to BASE POST

Yellow to FIXED VOLTAGE POST

Black to BASE POST

Red to VARIABLE POST

White to ISOLATED TRACK

So which track is to be isolated? Do the fiber pins go in the track fed by the VARIABLE POST or in the track fed by the BASE POST?

Thanks in advance for any help!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58756 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
No so, as I got a 21145 for 770, last April at York, from John in E, as he only took off 5. And I accepted that price, as the 21145 is hard to come by.

My last Bubeck book has it at 700 and I think Bob said his prices are 10% too high.

But I accepted the price that I paid for it. As I could of walked away.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?



I believe your comments are right on the money. John Heck prices his stuff better than anyone and in almost all cases, he under rates quality items. Best places to get good buys on Flyer are York and the "S" Fest. You will find all the top sellers at these locations. No one wants to travel to York and bring home a lot of stuff.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, sscalemn <sscale@...> wrote:

From: sscalemn <sscale@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 9:17 AM



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Ken" <kdeboy@...> wrote:

>

> I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information?

I have read the inputs on this subject with great interest over the last couple of days. I agree with some that has been stated but quite disagree with some other statements.

Should Greenberg's just be looked at as a guide? Yes, I think so. When presented with an AF piece, especially with a variation, I look at Greenberg's only to rejuvenate my memory on "relative value". John Heck made the statement that prices in Greenberg's book are simultaneously way too high for "common items" are way too low for rare and items in fantastic condition and I agree.

What I take exception with, though, is statements to the effect that eBay prices are totally wrong. I think if you take and add up all of the AF pieces that sell in a year's time from flea markets, antique shops, estate sales, live auctions, online auctions other than eBay and shows like York or S Fest that total will be a very small percentage of the total number of items that sell on eBay. This is so, even, if you remove all eBay items which opened with a high reserve. eBay IS the collectible market place!

From a strictly business point of view, eBay HAS set the prices! I remeber when an original Gabe the Lamplighter went on eBay for nearly $4000. By the time the repros came out, they were selling for less than $1000 and then the repros knocked that out and originals now go for less than $200.

So - use all resources at your disposal. Look at Greenberg's guide, look at Doyle's book and Bubeck's guide and wonder about the differences. But when it comes time to pony up your hard earned cash for an item you really want, go and search completed auctions on eBay for your item. Understand that you really cannot get a perfect idea, especially with some of the photos and descriptions provided by some sellers, of the quality of the piece. All of this information will allow you to say to that flea market vendor - you are crazy - these goe for $xyz on eBay or when you see an eBay item with a high starting bid and a reserve pay it now more attention.

Walt

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58757 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Fw: back stop
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/562931363/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=441&count=20&dir=asc

Backstop frame is done. Now I need to paint it and add the wedding veil to it.

Lucas Santos, the catcher is very happy he will not have to chase after badly thrown knuckleballs by knucklehead the pitcher.

Meanwhile, Mosquito Rodriquez is still lost in the corn field.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58758 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Hi Mike,
� Taking into consideration of the rarity of a 21145, I believe you made an excellent deal.   You seem to know what you want and what you want to pay for it.  More power to you.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 4:38 PM







 









No so, as I got a 21145 for 770, last April at York, from John in E, as he only took off 5. And I accepted that price, as the 21145 is hard to come by.



My last Bubeck book has it at 700 and I think Bob said his prices are 10% too high.



But I accepted the price that I paid for it. As I could of walked away.



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?



I believe your comments are right on the money. John Heck prices his stuff better than anyone and in almost all cases, he under rates quality items. Best places to get good buys on Flyer are York and the "S" Fest. You will find all the top sellers at these locations. No one wants to travel to York and bring home a lot of stuff.

Tom Seccia



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, sscalemn <sscale@comcast. net> wrote:



From: sscalemn <sscale@comcast. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 9:17 AM



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Ken" <kdeboy@...> wrote:



>



> I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information?



I have read the inputs on this subject with great interest over the last couple of days. I agree with some that has been stated but quite disagree with some other statements.



Should Greenberg's just be looked at as a guide? Yes, I think so. When presented with an AF piece, especially with a variation, I look at Greenberg's only to rejuvenate my memory on "relative value". John Heck made the statement that prices in Greenberg's book are simultaneously way too high for "common items" are way too low for rare and items in fantastic condition and I agree.



What I take exception with, though, is statements to the effect that eBay prices are totally wrong. I think if you take and add up all of the AF pieces that sell in a year's time from flea markets, antique shops, estate sales, live auctions, online auctions other than eBay and shows like York or S Fest that total will be a very small percentage of the total number of items that sell on eBay. This is so, even, if you remove all eBay items which opened with a high reserve. eBay IS the collectible market place!



From a strictly business point of view, eBay HAS set the prices! I remeber when an original Gabe the Lamplighter went on eBay for nearly $4000. By the time the repros came out, they were selling for less than $1000 and then the repros knocked that out and originals now go for less than $200.



So - use all resources at your disposal. Look at Greenberg's guide, look at Doyle's book and Bubeck's guide and wonder about the differences. But when it comes time to pony up your hard earned cash for an item you really want, go and search completed auctions on eBay for your item. Understand that you really cannot get a perfect idea, especially with some of the photos and descriptions provided by some sellers, of the quality of the piece. All of this information will allow you to say to that flea market vendor - you are crazy - these goe for $xyz on eBay or when you see an eBay item with a high starting bid and a reserve pay it now more attention.



Walt



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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/31/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58760 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
I buy Greenberg every other year, so my latest is 2008; I'm about to go get a 2010.

When I saw Tom's mention of that 24320 Deep Rock, I looked at the ebay listing (#270521251355).  Then I looked it up in my various books.  The 2008 Greenberg shows the 1960 with solid knuckle couplers at $125.  That's the one that's on ebay right now.  Doyle says $400.  Greenberg lists a 1961 version with Pikemaster couplers at $560.  Doyle doesn't acknowledge the existence of a 1961 Pikemaster version.  Nor does my 1991 hardback Greenberg, which by the way said the solid was $300, for whatever that's worth.  Bob Bubeck's TM Guide doesn't say what type of couplers it has, but it says the car was made only made in 1960, which implies solid knuckle couplers; my 2000 TM Guide says $500, but Bob says it's now 10% high, so let's call that $450.

There you have it, folks: $125, $400, or $450.  Bidding is up to $271.66 and the reserve price hasn't been reached.  Either the seller and bidders don't know the difference between Pikemaster couplers and solid knuckle couplers, or they don't believe Greenberg, or they're not looking at Greenberg.

Anyway, does anybody know whether that car was in fact made in 1961 with Pikemaster couplers?  The 2008 pocket Greenberg is the only book I have that acknowledges it.

Bottom line (in my opinion): the fact that so many people follow it makes Greenberg de facto more accurate in practice than it has any right to be.



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:27 PM







 









I don't have a later Greenberg guide,  I made an error on my last posting where I said the 24320 listed in Greenberg's for $600. The 24319 Penn Salt was listed right above it for $590.  The 24320 listed in excellent in 1999 for $410.   In all the Greenberg books I have there are no listings of the 24320 Deep Rock with Pikemaster couplers.   This car as the 24066 L&N Box Car, the 24106 PRR Gondola and some other solid knuckle cars are uncataloged in 1960 and possibly some other years maybe 1961.  Tank cars were not made with Pikemaster trucks until 1961 and then came with split tanks and frames.  Since the Greenberg guide is now listing it for under $300, perhaps John Heck is correct with his assessment of the Greenberg guide.

  Tom Seccia



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> wrote:



From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:30 PM



 



I just took a look at the 24320 on eBay. The listing states and pictures show that it has solid couplers. Latest Greenberg Guide that I have (2009), states a value of $208 in Excellent condition for the solid coupler version and $560 for the Pike Master coupler version. How does this track with the 2010 Greenberg Guide?



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:



>



> There is an auction on E bay for a 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car. Item 270521251355. Current bid is $271.66. Reserve not met. I believe Greenberg's guide list this as $600 in Excellent Condition. This car appears to be in excellent condition from the photos and the description.



> Lets see if this mets the reserve price and sells. Speaking to many collectors, they say this is the hardest tank car to get.



> Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58761 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Wiring
Hi,

I have a 1954 version of the "Important Tips on Using Your Train" pamphlet,
but too was unclear on which rail should be siolated.

However, I found in my files a 1949 edition of "Instructions, Suggestions
and Helpful Hints for Planning and Operation Your American Flyer Railroad"
and it has a clear pictorial drawing for the wiring for the talking station.

The isolation pins are placed in the "OUTER" track rail. (This is the rail
conncected to the BASE terminal of the transformer).

The TRANSFORMER BASE TERMINAL connects to the BLACK wire going to the
push-button, the "OUTER" track rail supply connection, and both the BLACK
and the RED wires going to the station.
The TRANSFORMER 15 VOLT TERMINAL connects to the YELLOW wire going to the
station
The TRANSFORMER 7-15 VOLT TERMINAL connects to the "INNER track rail supply
connection.
The STATION GREEN WIRE connects to the other push-button terminal.
THE STATION WHITE WIRE connects to the isolated portion of the "OUTER" track
rail.

(Note that the red wire does NOT go to the 7-15 volt transformer post as you
have indicated, but to the Base post)

Apparently the reason for the separate RED wire going from the station to
the transformer is to accommodate the introduction of a "#15" Dry Disk
Rectifier" into those systems that used that device.

Hope this helps.

Jerry


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:37 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Talking Station Wiring



Hi All,

Anyone who has tried the wire the talking station using the AF
instructions diagram knows you can't get it right without good luck!
Evidently my luck is running on the bad side today - lol!

I think I have the wires hooked up correctly as follows:

Green to button to BASE POST

Yellow to FIXED VOLTAGE POST

Black to BASE POST

Red to VARIABLE POST

White to ISOLATED TRACK

So which track is to be isolated? Do the fiber pins go in the track fed by
the VARIABLE POST or in the track fed by the BASE POST?

Thanks in advance for any help!

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58762 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Wiring
The wiring diagram in the K-Line Service Manual for Flyer shows the fiber pins in the outside (Base Post) rail. Greenberg's AF Factory Manual shows the same. Note: These instructions are for layouts using an AC transformer.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Anyone who has tried the wire the talking station using the AF instructions diagram knows you can't get it right without good luck! Evidently my luck is running on the bad side today - lol!
>
> I think I have the wires hooked up correctly as follows:
>
> Green to button to BASE POST
>
> Yellow to FIXED VOLTAGE POST
>
> Black to BASE POST
>
> Red to VARIABLE POST
>
> White to ISOLATED TRACK
>
> So which track is to be isolated? Do the fiber pins go in the track fed by the VARIABLE POST or in the track fed by the BASE POST?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58763 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/30/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
Tom,

LOL I know and I agree with you completely.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?



Hi Mike,
� Taking into consideration of the rarity of a 21145, I believe you made an excellent deal. You seem to know what you want and what you want to pay for it. More power to you.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 4:38 PM



No so, as I got a 21145 for 770, last April at York, from John in E, as he only took off 5. And I accepted that price, as the 21145 is hard to come by.

My last Bubeck book has it at 700 and I think Bob said his prices are 10% too high.

But I accepted the price that I paid for it. As I could of walked away.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?

I believe your comments are right on the money. John Heck prices his stuff better than anyone and in almost all cases, he under rates quality items. Best places to get good buys on Flyer are York and the "S" Fest. You will find all the top sellers at these locations. No one wants to travel to York and bring home a lot of stuff.

Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, sscalemn <sscale@comcast. net> wrote:

From: sscalemn <sscale@comcast. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How accurate is Greenberg's?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 9:17 AM

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Ken" <kdeboy@...> wrote:

>

> I have the 2010 edition of Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide (1946 - 2010). How accurate is their price information?

I have read the inputs on this subject with great interest over the last couple of days. I agree with some that has been stated but quite disagree with some other statements.

Should Greenberg's just be looked at as a guide? Yes, I think so. When presented with an AF piece, especially with a variation, I look at Greenberg's only to rejuvenate my memory on "relative value". John Heck made the statement that prices in Greenberg's book are simultaneously way too high for "common items" are way too low for rare and items in fantastic condition and I agree.

What I take exception with, though, is statements to the effect that eBay prices are totally wrong. I think if you take and add up all of the AF pieces that sell in a year's time from flea markets, antique shops, estate sales, live auctions, online auctions other than eBay and shows like York or S Fest that total will be a very small percentage of the total number of items that sell on eBay. This is so, even, if you remove all eBay items which opened with a high reserve. eBay IS the collectible market place!

From a strictly business point of view, eBay HAS set the prices! I remeber when an original Gabe the Lamplighter went on eBay for nearly $4000. By the time the repros came out, they were selling for less than $1000 and then the repros knocked that out and originals now go for less than $200.

So - use all resources at your disposal. Look at Greenberg's guide, look at Doyle's book and Bubeck's guide and wonder about the differences. But when it comes time to pony up your hard earned cash for an item you really want, go and search completed auctions on eBay for your item. Understand that you really cannot get a perfect idea, especially with some of the photos and descriptions provided by some sellers, of the quality of the piece. All of this information will allow you to say to that flea market vendor - you are crazy - these goe for $xyz on eBay or when you see an eBay item with a high starting bid and a reserve pay it now more attention.

Walt

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58764 From: Christopher Burger Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: PRICE GUIDES.
I just want to say that price guides are best for the descriptions of each item. As far as what an item is worth, well, when someone gives you cash for a certain iten, that is the value of that piece. doesn't matter what a price guide says i should receive. For example, price guide says a 336 is worth 400.00 dollars, i cant get more than three fifty. is it real
ly worth what the price guide says? no it's worth the price i received. pretty cut and dry really. yes i know condition and rarity and all that supposedly comes into play, bottom line, its worth the money someone gives you for the item. no more, no less.

Christopher




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58765 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Bob,
� The 24320 Deep Rock was never made with Pikemaster trucks.  It was 1960 only never cataloged.   It is very rare.  I only seen one. The man with the Spiderville Railroad in the Pittsburgh area had every tank car made by A.C. Gilbert in his collection.  I would say  this car will bring over $400 in this auction.  Many collectors do not have this car and will pay the price.  Consider what people pay for a 625 Orange Shell tank car warped and damaged.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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I buy Greenberg every other year, so my latest is 2008; I'm about to go get a 2010.



When I saw Tom's mention of that 24320 Deep Rock, I looked at the ebay listing (#270521251355) . Then I looked it up in my various books. The 2008 Greenberg shows the 1960 with solid knuckle couplers at $125. That's the one that's on ebay right now. Doyle says $400. Greenberg lists a 1961 version with Pikemaster couplers at $560. Doyle doesn't acknowledge the existence of a 1961 Pikemaster version. Nor does my 1991 hardback Greenberg, which by the way said the solid was $300, for whatever that's worth. Bob Bubeck's TM Guide doesn't say what type of couplers it has, but it says the car was made only made in 1960, which implies solid knuckle couplers; my 2000 TM Guide says $500, but Bob says it's now 10% high, so let's call that $450.



There you have it, folks: $125, $400, or $450. Bidding is up to $271.66 and the reserve price hasn't been reached. Either the seller and bidders don't know the difference between Pikemaster couplers and solid knuckle couplers, or they don't believe Greenberg, or they're not looking at Greenberg.



Anyway, does anybody know whether that car was in fact made in 1961 with Pikemaster couplers? The 2008 pocket Greenberg is the only book I have that acknowledges it.



Bottom line (in my opinion): the fact that so many people follow it makes Greenberg de facto more accurate in practice than it has any right to be.



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:27 PM







I don't have a later Greenberg guide, I made an error on my last posting where I said the 24320 listed in Greenberg's for $600. The 24319 Penn Salt was listed right above it for $590. The 24320 listed in excellent in 1999 for $410.  In all the Greenberg books I have there are no listings of the 24320 Deep Rock with Pikemaster couplers.  This car as the 24066 L&N Box Car, the 24106 PRR Gondola and some other solid knuckle cars are uncataloged in 1960 and possibly some other years maybe 1961. Tank cars were not made with Pikemaster trucks until 1961 and then came with split tanks and frames. Since the Greenberg guide is now listing it for under $300, perhaps John Heck is correct with his assessment of the Greenberg guide.



Tom Seccia



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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:30 PM



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I just took a look at the 24320 on eBay. The listing states and pictures show that it has solid couplers. Latest Greenberg Guide that I have (2009), states a value of $208 in Excellent condition for the solid coupler version and $560 for the Pike Master coupler version. How does this track with the 2010 Greenberg Guide?



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> There is an auction on E bay for a 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car. Item 270521251355. Current bid is $271.66. Reserve not met. I believe Greenberg's guide list this as $600 in Excellent Condition. This car appears to be in excellent condition from the photos and the description.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58766 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Ya Gotta See This...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24796741@N05/sets/72157604247242338/with/2346008881/

The link above will take you to a display that features 1:24 vehicles. It also shows some outstanding scratch structure-building. While no actual trains here, take note of the finishes on the vehicles. This guy doesn't know that Dull-cote exists, and he is better off for it. I don't know how many times I've argued with guys who insist on spraying Dull-cote on things that should shine. Really be nice to be able to achieve this level of detail in 1:64.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58767 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
What this thread has shown is that there are inaccuracies in the Greenberg Guide, not just in values, but variants in particular cars. The guide, at best, would be a year behind in values. Although, I never would say never, when it comes to toy trains, I guess it is possible that at the end of the 24320 run in 1960, that a few cars were left over and got Pikemaster trucks. Haven't we seen this with American Flyer vs American Flyer Lines tender shells? The Greenberg Guides that I have are 1990, 1995, 2007 and 2009. The 1990, 1995 and 2007 guides only list 1960 as the production date for the 24320. Coupler design is not mentioned. The 2009 lists both 1960 with solid couplers and 1961 with Pikemaster. My take is just because it says it dosen't make it so. Another case in point is the 971 lumber unloading car. In the 2007 Greenberg Guide, a new variant popped up, "tuscan painted black plastic", then changed in the 2009 guide to "tuscan painted plastic" as a more valuable variant. So, in this case, just what are the variants of the 971 lumber car? Tuscan plastic? Tuscan painted on tuscan plastic? Tuscan painted on black plastic? The only one I am sure of is the tuscan painted on black plastic because that is what I have. And I doubt it is worth the high value stated in the Greenberg guide. Anyone else have thoughts on the 971?

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> When I saw Tom's mention of that 24320 Deep Rock, I looked at the ebay listing (#270521251355).  Then I looked it up in my various books.  The 2008 Greenberg shows the 1960 with solid knuckle couplers at $125.  That's the one that's on ebay right now.  Doyle says $400.  Greenberg lists a 1961 version with Pikemaster couplers at $560.  Doyle doesn't acknowledge the existence of a 1961 Pikemaster version.  Nor does my 1991 hardback Greenberg, which by the way said the solid was $300, for whatever that's worth.  Bob Bubeck's TM Guide doesn't say what type of couplers it has, but it says the car was made only made in 1960, which implies solid knuckle couplers; my 2000 TM Guide says $500, but Bob says it's now 10% high, so let's call that $450.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58768 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Sad news from LITITZ, PA on Friday night
I thought I would pass this along, as I am not sure any of you know Bill, but I met him for the first time last December. A very nice person, as I had no idea his wife was the Director of Development for the TCA .

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: christie1wilson@...
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:46 PM
Subject: [toytrains] Sad news from LITITZ, PA on Friday night



Greetings All,

I know many of you know Jane Boyce, TCA's DIRECTOR of DEVELOPMENT.
Some of you may know her husband, Bill. If you bought the 2010 TCA Calendar,
Bill was the "brains" behind the layout of that special piece. He was also
an incredibly GOOD SPORT in his modeling career last fall during Jane's TCA
Museum "FASHION SHOW" prior to the MTH & LIONEL presentations during YORK WEEK in the TCA Atrium of the Museum.

We received a phone call this morning ( Saturday ) from John
Luppino, TCA's Operation Manager at the TCA Headquarters, advising us of some
really terrible news from Lititz, PA, the home of the Boyce's. On Friday
evening, upon returning home from a shopping trip, Bill suddenly passed away,
as Jane had exited their automobile and headed into their home. At this
time I have no additional information, but should anyone wish to convey
messages to Jane, they may do so by contacting her at the TCA National Headquarters in Strasburg, PA.
jboyce@...
and/or TCA, PO Box 248, Strasburg, PA 17579 - 0248.

I had the distinct pleasure of getting to know Bill quite well
these past few years on my jaunts to Strasburg and on the Boyces' trips to
their relatives out here in Mesa, Arizona. A more pleasant, upbeat, positive
person you could never ask for as a friend and colleague in the world of toy
trains. His passing has given cause for me to rethink the word,
MORTALITY. Bill was so full of life and always had a ready smile, no matter the
situation or subject matter being discussed. What a terrible loss.

Cordially,
Gordon Wilson




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58769 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Thank you, Tom.  That then confirms what has been said: while Greenberg can be used as a general guide, there are some serious price inaccuracies, but the most unfortunate inaccuracies are the listing of cars that were never made and the omission of significant variations that are worth significantly more than the common varieties listed.


--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 8:27 PM







 









Hi Bob,

  The 24320 Deep Rock was never made with Pikemaster trucks.  It was 1960 only never cataloged.   It is very rare.  I only seen one. The man with the Spiderville Railroad in the Pittsburgh area had every tank car made by A.C. Gilbert in his collection.  I would say  this car will bring over $400 in this auction.  Many collectors do not have this car and will pay the price.  Consider what people pay for a 625 Orange Shell tank car warped and damaged.

Tom Seccia



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 10:36 PM



 



I buy Greenberg every other year, so my latest is 2008; I'm about to go get a 2010.



When I saw Tom's mention of that 24320 Deep Rock, I looked at the ebay listing (#270521251355) . Then I looked it up in my various books. The 2008 Greenberg shows the 1960 with solid knuckle couplers at $125. That's the one that's on ebay right now. Doyle says $400. Greenberg lists a 1961 version with Pikemaster couplers at $560. Doyle doesn't acknowledge the existence of a 1961 Pikemaster version. Nor does my 1991 hardback Greenberg, which by the way said the solid was $300, for whatever that's worth. Bob Bubeck's TM Guide doesn't say what type of couplers it has, but it says the car was made only made in 1960, which implies solid knuckle couplers; my 2000 TM Guide says $500, but Bob says it's now 10% high, so let's call that $450.



There you have it, folks: $125, $400, or $450. Bidding is up to $271.66 and the reserve price hasn't been reached. Either the seller and bidders don't know the difference between Pikemaster couplers and solid knuckle couplers, or they don't believe Greenberg, or they're not looking at Greenberg.



Anyway, does anybody know whether that car was in fact made in 1961 with Pikemaster couplers? The 2008 pocket Greenberg is the only book I have that acknowledges it.



Bottom line (in my opinion): the fact that so many people follow it makes Greenberg de facto more accurate in practice than it has any right to be.



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:27 PM



I don't have a later Greenberg guide, I made an error on my last posting where I said the 24320 listed in Greenberg's for $600. The 24319 Penn Salt was listed right above it for $590. The 24320 listed in excellent in 1999 for $410.  In all the Greenberg books I have there are no listings of the 24320 Deep Rock with Pikemaster couplers.  This car as the 24066 L&N Box Car, the 24106 PRR Gondola and some other solid knuckle cars are uncataloged in 1960 and possibly some other years maybe 1961. Tank cars were not made with Pikemaster trucks until 1961 and then came with split tanks and frames. Since the Greenberg guide is now listing it for under $300, perhaps John Heck is correct with his assessment of the Greenberg guide.



Tom Seccia



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> wrote:



From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com>



Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:30 PM



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I just took a look at the 24320 on eBay. The listing states and pictures show that it has solid couplers. Latest Greenberg Guide that I have (2009), states a value of $208 in Excellent condition for the solid coupler version and $560 for the Pike Master coupler version. How does this track with the 2010 Greenberg Guide?



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:



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> There is an auction on E bay for a 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car. Item 270521251355. Current bid is $271.66. Reserve not met. I believe Greenberg's guide list this as $600 in Excellent Condition. This car appears to be in excellent condition from the photos and the description.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58770 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?
I have not been following this thread too closely, did anyone mention that
the
24320 Deep Rock came in two versions?
An earlier version with the solid tank and solid couplers and a
"split-tank" version with solid couplers. I have also sold both versions in the past
and still have one of each. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58771 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Talking Station - More Help Needed
Hi All,

Does anyone have a talking station wired up and operating? I have conflicting advice on how to wire it and none of the suggestions work so far. And the wiring diagram is poor at best in all the manuals. Here's what I've tried:

I'm using a 30B transformer. I've set the variable voltage to base on the transfomer at 10 volts. The constant voltage post to base reads 18.5 volts.

Wiring:

Green to the button.

Black from the button to base post.

Yellow to constant voltage post.

Black to base post.

Red: (1) to variable post or (2) to base post. I've been told rather strongly that the red wire must go to the variable post, but I still tried it both ways.

White to isolated track section (variable post track isolated or base post track isolated).

None of these combinations work. I can get the variable voltage (10 volts) to the isolated track, but the voltage does not drop when the button is actvated. The record plays fine and the light in the station is always on. I have cleaned the rotating drum and all of the fingers. The station worked fine a couple of years ago when it was last set up so I'm thinking the problem must be with the wiring connections.

Can someone provide the proper wiring connections plus which track section is isolated for a working station?

Thanks in advance!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58772 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Fw: Bill Boyce
My email to the TCA list about Bill.

Gordon is a past TCA president and a good baseball email friend.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:30 PM
Subject: Bill Boyce


Gordon,

Thank you for that information about Bill, in letting the group know.

I met Bill for the first time while on our annual December trip to Lancaster, at the train shop next to Choo Choo Barn, where he worked.

He was checking me out as I was purchasing S scale figures for my layout, as I had no idea who he was, as I mentioned my layout with a S scale baseball field and he said you must be Mike Marmer, which was a shock in a way, that this person who I never met before knew my name. It turns out he was a TCA member and a member of this list, who has read my emails about my layout.

Sadly, I could not spend much time with him, as the shop was busy, due to it being December, as I am sure the shop is busy all the time, but he seemed like someone you could become friends with real fast.

We made two more trips to the store that weekend and he greeted us very friendly.

I had no idea that Mrs. Boyce, was married to a TCA member, as I believe she is Director of Development for the TCA.

I will get a card out to her tomorrow.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58773 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Harwood,
� All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers.  In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames.  If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it.  Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets.  With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind.  The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960.  It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks.  I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999.  Do you have one of these in your collection?   When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this.  These were guys with deep pockets.  No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks. 
Eric Hundertmark's assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well.  If you have something different that this, please share it.  I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.
Thank You,
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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I have not been following this thread too closely, did anyone mention that

the

24320 Deep Rock came in two versions?

An earlier version with the solid tank and solid couplers and a

"split-tank" version with solid couplers. I have also sold both versions in the past

and still have one of each. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58774 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Page 144 of my Volume 1 is about floodlight cars.  Apparently we have different editions.  I find that different editions aren't consistent with one another.


--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Hi Harwood,

  All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers.  In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames.  If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it.  Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets.  With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind.  The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960.  It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks.  I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999.  Do you have one of these in your collection?   When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this.  These were guys with deep pockets.  No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks. 

Eric Hundertmark' s assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well.  If you have something different that this, please share it.  I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.

Thank You,

Tom Seccia



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From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:15 PM



 



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24320 Deep Rock came in two versions?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58775 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Gilbert Guy,
                           I just posted a message to Harwood Owings on the Pikemaster trucks for the 24320 Deep Rock.  All the indications are that Gilbert started making split frames and split tanks in 1961, so there were no Deep Rock tanks either 24320 or 24321 with solid tanks to mount on a split frame.  If the frame is PA14D403 that could be done, but I doubt the authenticity.   If you're looking to buy a high end collectors car and you have a question, please ask someone before you buy it or bid on it.  There are plenty of members in this group who can help you.
                                             Tom Seccia

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From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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What this thread has shown is that there are inaccuracies in the Greenberg Guide, not just in values, but variants in particular cars. The guide, at best, would be a year behind in values. Although, I never would say never, when it comes to toy trains, I guess it is possible that at the end of the 24320 run in 1960, that a few cars were left over and got Pikemaster trucks. Haven't we seen this with American Flyer vs American Flyer Lines tender shells? The Greenberg Guides that I have are 1990, 1995, 2007 and 2009. The 1990, 1995 and 2007 guides only list 1960 as the production date for the 24320. Coupler design is not mentioned. The 2009 lists both 1960 with solid couplers and 1961 with Pikemaster. My take is just because it says it dosen't make it so. Another case in point is the 971 lumber unloading car. In the 2007 Greenberg Guide, a new variant popped up, "tuscan painted black plastic", then changed in the 2009 guide to "tuscan painted
plastic" as a more valuable variant. So, in this case, just what are the variants of the 971 lumber car? Tuscan plastic? Tuscan painted on tuscan plastic? Tuscan painted on black plastic? The only one I am sure of is the tuscan painted on black plastic because that is what I have. And I doubt it is worth the high value stated in the Greenberg guide. Anyone else have thoughts on the 971?



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> When I saw Tom's mention of that 24320 Deep Rock, I looked at the ebay listing (#270521251355) . Then I looked it up in my various books. The 2008 Greenberg shows the 1960 with solid knuckle couplers at $125. That's the one that's on ebay right now. Doyle says $400. Greenberg lists a 1961 version with Pikemaster couplers at $560. Doyle doesn't acknowledge the existence of a 1961 Pikemaster version. Nor does my 1991 hardback Greenberg, which by the way said the solid was $300, for whatever that's worth. Bob Bubeck's TM Guide doesn't say what type of couplers it has, but it says the car was made only made in 1960, which implies solid knuckle couplers; my 2000 TM Guide says $500, but Bob says it's now 10% high, so let's call that $450.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58776 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Heimberger's book says that the split tank cars were introduced in 1960.  Walt Alexandrowicz, who usually gives me good info, sold a split tank 24320 with knuckle couplers on ebay a couple of years ago.  The picture is on TheGilbertGallery.org:

     http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/tank_cars2.html

I've never seen one with Pikemaster couplers either.


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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
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Hi Harwood,

  All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers.  In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames.  If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it.  Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets.  With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind.  The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960.  It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks.  I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999.  Do you have one of these in your collection?   When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this.  These were guys with deep pockets.  No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks. 

Eric Hundertmark' s assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well.  If you have something different that this, please share it.  I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.

Thank You,

Tom Seccia



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Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

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and still have one of each. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58777 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: PRICE GUIDES.
I think we're zeroing in on the issue here.  The "value" of something has relatively little to do with the price at which it is sold at a given point in time.  The selling price has more to do with the seller (how much he paid for it and how badly he wants to sell it), the buyer (how much money he has and how badly he wants to buy it), and who is bidding against the buyer (how much money he or they have and how badly he or they want to buy it) than on the "value" of the item.

The fact that someone would only pay $350 for your 336, and you were willing to sell it for that, doesn't mean it wasn't worth $400. Next week you might have found someone who was willing to pay $400.  And who knows, maybe the following week someone would have paid $450!

The "value" of something is more of a philosophical abstraction than a concrete reality.  That's why price guides are called "price guides" rather than "infallible pronouncements."  They are merely guides; nothing more than that.

This reminds me of the statistics class I took in college: they talked about "the law of large numbers".  To reach a valid conclusion about a set of data that has a lot of variation, you have to have a large number of data points.  (i.e., you have to sell a LOT of 24320s to reliably determine the "value" of one!)  Statisticians have formulas they use to determine whether they have enough data points to reach a conclusion; if so, they call the conclusion "statistically significant."  The problem in our case is that there haven't been enough 24320s sold in the last five years to reliably determine the "value" of one.

It would be nice if Greenberg published not only prices but whether each price passed the test of statistical significance.  In this age of computers, it actually wouldn't be that hard to do.


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I just want to say that price guides are best for the descriptions of each item. As far as what an item is worth, well, when someone gives you cash for a certain iten, that is the value of that piece. doesn't matter what a price guide says i should receive. For example, price guide says a 336 is worth 400.00 dollars, i cant get more than three fifty. is it real

ly worth what the price guide says? no it's worth the price i received. pretty cut and dry really. yes i know condition and rarity and all that supposedly comes into play, bottom line, its worth the money someone gives you for the item. no more, no less.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58778 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=260543492814

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58779 From: Dave Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: #24320/21
We do offer a set of decals for the #24320 & #24321 (all in one set) DEEP ROCK tank cars if anyone wants to do their own reproduction.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58780 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube video
I finished the rehab on the AF 310 engine I bought last summer and the first 'steam up' was last night. Also my first stab at a video and publishing it on YouTube:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXdqDmGThLM>

The picture is too dark and the music is pretty ucky (as my grand-daughter would say) but, hey, it is a first try. I have already shot some more video with better lighting and hope to get it up soon.

Engine turned out nice. Tore it down all the way, fixed three loose tires, added a light bulb, lubed and then reassembled. Eunit has been gone over carefully but still sticks (I locked it in forward for these runs).

Doesn't run very fast (the video shows it at full speed!) on an old Marx 45W transformer. Track is old AF track bought on EBAY and the two caboose's (what is the plural of caboose - cabooses??) are also from EBAY - both had operational lights!

Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58782 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/information pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58783 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Look at their scores. Inexperienced bidders.

Pat, in Maine

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From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=260543492814

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58784 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: PRICE GUIDES.
Hi Bob,
I think you hit the nail right on the head.  The guides are something you use as a starting point.  Buyers should be aware of fakes.  These are out there. 
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--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRICE GUIDES.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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I think we're zeroing in on the issue here. The "value" of something has relatively little to do with the price at which it is sold at a given point in time. The selling price has more to do with the seller (how much he paid for it and how badly he wants to sell it), the buyer (how much money he has and how badly he wants to buy it), and who is bidding against the buyer (how much money he or they have and how badly he or they want to buy it) than on the "value" of the item.



The fact that someone would only pay $350 for your 336, and you were willing to sell it for that, doesn't mean it wasn't worth $400. Next week you might have found someone who was willing to pay $400. And who knows, maybe the following week someone would have paid $450!



The "value" of something is more of a philosophical abstraction than a concrete reality. That's why price guides are called "price guides" rather than "infallible pronouncements. " They are merely guides; nothing more than that.



This reminds me of the statistics class I took in college: they talked about "the law of large numbers". To reach a valid conclusion about a set of data that has a lot of variation, you have to have a large number of data points. (i.e., you have to sell a LOT of 24320s to reliably determine the "value" of one!) Statisticians have formulas they use to determine whether they have enough data points to reach a conclusion; if so, they call the conclusion "statistically significant. " The problem in our case is that there haven't been enough 24320s sold in the last five years to reliably determine the "value" of one.



It would be nice if Greenberg published not only prices but whether each price passed the test of statistical significance. In this age of computers, it actually wouldn't be that hard to do.



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Subject: [S-Trains] PRICE GUIDES.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:52 AM







I just want to say that price guides are best for the descriptions of each item. As far as what an item is worth, well, when someone gives you cash for a certain iten, that is the value of that piece. doesn't matter what a price guide says i should receive. For example, price guide says a 336 is worth 400.00 dollars, i cant get more than three fifty. is it real



ly worth what the price guide says? no it's worth the price i received. pretty cut and dry really. yes i know condition and rarity and all that supposedly comes into play, bottom line, its worth the money someone gives you for the item. no more, no less.



Christopher



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58785 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Mike,
I'm assuming this is a 944 in a 5 digit box.  The box might make it worth the ride.
Tom Seccia

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM







 









http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4



Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.



The condition is given as Excellant.



So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.



Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.



So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58786 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - More Help Needed
Hi,

In this one specific instance the wiring deviates from the normal
anticipated color coding. The illustrations and descriptions I have seen
ALL show the red wire going to the base binding post. While this is
contrary to what one would normally do, I believe that this is the way the
device was intended to be wired. The isolated track section should be on
the base post side. All this can be clearly seen in the attached
instructions and illustration. The AF talking station is one of the older
accessories and was designed to be used with either alternating or direct
current supplied to the rails. The motor of the record player however
requires alternating current only. I believe that is why the device
required a separate (red) wire. (If you are running direct current to the
rails, the wiring is different, but I did not include that drawing here to
avoid confusion.)

I am going to my storage location this afternoon and if I get a chance, I
will try to find my AF station and bring it home. There I can see how the
internal wiring is arranged and also take some photographs.

Jerry Feldman




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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:28 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Talking Station - More Help Needed



Hi All,

Does anyone have a talking station wired up and operating? I have
conflicting advice on how to wire it and none of the suggestions work so
far. And the wiring diagram is poor at best in all the manuals. Here's what
I've tried:

I'm using a 30B transformer. I've set the variable voltage to base on the
transfomer at 10 volts. The constant voltage post to base reads 18.5 volts.

Wiring:

Green to the button.

Black from the button to base post.

Yellow to constant voltage post.

Black to base post.

Red: (1) to variable post or (2) to base post. I've been told rather
strongly that the red wire must go to the variable post, but I still tried
it both ways.

White to isolated track section (variable post track isolated or base post
track isolated).

None of these combinations work. I can get the variable voltage (10 volts)
to the isolated track, but the voltage does not drop when the button is
actvated. The record plays fine and the light in the station is always on. I
have cleaned the rotating drum and all of the fingers. The station worked
fine a couple of years ago when it was last set up so I'm thinking the
problem must be with the wiring connections.

Can someone provide the proper wiring connections plus which track section
is isolated for a working station?

Thanks in advance!

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58787 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Bob,
I took a look at the photo.  I believe this is a fake.  Gilbert never made any tank cars with a split frame and operating knuckle couplers.  The eyelets do not look like a clean press. 
Tom Seccia

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From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:11 PM







 









Heimberger's book says that the split tank cars were introduced in 1960. Walt Alexandrowicz, who usually gives me good info, sold a split tank 24320 with knuckle couplers on ebay a couple of years ago. The picture is on TheGilbertGallery. org:



http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/tank_ cars2.html



I've never seen one with Pikemaster couplers either.



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:33 AM







Hi Harwood,



All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers. In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames. If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it. Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets. With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind. The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960. It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks. I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999. Do you have one of these in your collection?  When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this. These were guys with deep pockets. No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks.Â



Eric Hundertmark' s assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well. If you have something different that this, please share it. I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.



Thank You,



Tom Seccia



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From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@ aol. com>



Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:15 PM



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and still have one of each. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58788 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Bob,
I have the 3rd Edition of Volume I.  Whatever edition you have should have the same information.  Most likely on a different page.
Tom Seccia

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From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Page 144 of my Volume 1 is about floodlight cars. Apparently we have different editions. I find that different editions aren't consistent with one another.



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:33 AM







Hi Harwood,



All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers. In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames. If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it. Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets. With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind. The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960. It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks. I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999. Do you have one of these in your collection?  When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this. These were guys with deep pockets. No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks.Â



Eric Hundertmark' s assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well. If you have something different that this, please share it. I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.



Thank You,



Tom Seccia



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Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:15 PM



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and still have one of each. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58789 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube vid
Nice job!!   AL

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From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube video
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:59 PM







 









I finished the rehab on the AF 310 engine I bought last summer and the first 'steam up' was last night. Also my first stab at a video and publishing it on YouTube:

<http://www.youtube com/watch? v=KXdqDmGThLM>



The picture is too dark and the music is pretty ucky (as my grand-daughter would say) but, hey, it is a first try. I have already shot some more video with better lighting and hope to get it up soon.



Engine turned out nice. Tore it down all the way, fixed three loose tires, added a light bulb, lubed and then reassembled. Eunit has been gone over carefully but still sticks (I locked it in forward for these runs).



Doesn't run very fast (the video shows it at full speed!) on an old Marx 45W transformer. Track is old AF track bought on EBAY and the two caboose's (what is the plural of caboose - cabooses??) are also from EBAY - both had operational lights!



Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58790 From: michael prell Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube vid
Great job of restoration and also a very nice video of your accomplishment. You've got a right to be happy about this worthwhile project! BTW, it's Cabeese. That's what my GrandDaughter told me.
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube video
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 4:59 PM


 



I finished the rehab on the AF 310 engine I bought last summer and the first 'steam up' was last night. Also my first stab at a video and publishing it on YouTube:
<http://www.youtube com/watch? v=KXdqDmGThLM>

The picture is too dark and the music is pretty ucky (as my grand-daughter would say) but, hey, it is a first try. I have already shot some more video with better lighting and hope to get it up soon.

Engine turned out nice. Tore it down all the way, fixed three loose tires, added a light bulb, lubed and then reassembled. Eunit has been gone over carefully but still sticks (I locked it in forward for these runs).

Doesn't run very fast (the video shows it at full speed!) on an old Marx 45W transformer. Track is old AF track bought on EBAY and the two caboose's (what is the plural of caboose - cabooses??) are also from EBAY - both had operational lights!

Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58791 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Gilbert Guy,
I can tell you that that car came painted and tuscan plastic.  I don't have 2007 or 2009 Greenberg guide to read the prices.  The Greenberg guide I have in 1999 reads
971 Southern Pacific Flatcar 56-57 Good $35 Excellent $135.  If you want the car in excellent condition with the original load including lumber and Moe & Joe $150 to $175 isn't a bad price.  If you want the car to operate with repro parts and some broken pieces. $35 to $50 isn't a bad price as long as it works.  You always can bargain for a better price.  I don't know why a painted or unpainted car would change the price.  Since Lionel has made the car again that may cause the price to drop.
� Tom Seccia


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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 6:27 PM







 













It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58792 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Mike,
� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane.  I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box.   Crane is a 24543.  $40 was a good bid.  As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it.  The box is not worth $60.  It looks like this is going to go over $100.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM







 









http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4



Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.



The condition is given as Excellant.



So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.



Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.



So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58793 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: 971 lumber car variations
I recall back in 2007 when I saw a Tuscan painted on black plastic 971 listed on ebay with a starting price of $700.  I checked Greenberg and saw it listed at $750 there, so I rushed upstairs to check mine.  Imagine my delight to learn that's what I had!  But not trusting Greenberg, I emailed Bob Bubeck and he said he thought it was reasonable.  The 2008 Greenberg lists the painted version at $640, regardless of the color of the plastic.  The 2006 book said painted on Tuscan plastic was only $155.

Doyle lists unpainted and painted on Tuscan plastic both at $80, but doesn't mention painted on black plastic.


The 1991 hardback edition of Greenberg also lists unpainted and painted on
Tuscan plastic, both at $120, but doesn't mention painted on black
plastic.



The 1980 hardback edition of Greenberg acknowledges only painted on Tuscan plastic.




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From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:27 PM







 













It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.



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>                            I just posted a message to Harwood Owings on the Pikemaster trucks for the 24320 Deep Rock.  All the indications are that Gilbert started making split frames and split tanks in 1961, so there were no Deep Rock tanks either 24320 or 24321 with solid tanks to mount on a split frame.  If the frame is PA14D403 that could be done, but I doubt the authenticity.   If you're looking to buy a high end collectors car and you have a question, please ask someone before you buy it or bid on it.  There are plenty of members in this group who can help you.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58794 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/31/2010
Subject: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Tom,
I have to disagree with you.on this. The 24323 Bakers Chocolate splt tank car always comes with Knuckle coulplers. I will dig out my two versions of the 24320 Deep Rock and see if the split tan version has knuckle couplers but I think it is the solid coupler. The other version is a solid tank on a standard plastic frame with cast side frames with solid couplers. I have never seen the split tank 24320 car come with pikemaster trucks. Even though the very rare, the split-tank 24313 Gulf three dome tank hase always come with knuckle couplers.

Harwood






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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?




Hi Bob,
I took a look at the photo. I believe this is a fake. Gilbert never made any tank cars with a split frame and operating knuckle couplers. The eyelets do not look like a clean press.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:11 PM



Heimberger's book says that the split tank cars were introduced in 1960. Walt Alexandrowicz, who usually gives me good info, sold a split tank 24320 with knuckle couplers on ebay a couple of years ago. The picture is on TheGilbertGallery. org:

http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/tank_ cars2.html

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--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:33 AM

Hi Harwood,

All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers. In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames. If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it. Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets. With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind. The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960. It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks. I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999. Do you have one of these in your collection?  When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this. These were guys with deep pockets. No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks.Â

Eric Hundertmark' s assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well. If you have something different that this, please share it. I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.

Thank You,

Tom Seccia

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From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@ aol. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:15 PM

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and still have one of each. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58795 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - TROUBLESHOOTING
Good Morning,



(The following is likely a bit too long winded for those not trying to
connect or repair their station, and I do apologize. Just hit the delete
and move on.)



I've provided the correct wiring for the AF #755 Station in an earlier
e-mail (and have now verified it with the actual station).



To troubleshoot the problem with the station, you should understand how it
operates.



The enclosed photograph shows the electrical switching mechanism inside the
talking station. There are two rotating gold-colored metal cams insulated
from a metal shaft that is driven by the motor through some gears. These
two cams act as rotational relays.



The station’s YELLOW wire is connected from the constant voltage terminal
(nominal 15 volt) of the transformer to one of the two wires coming from the
motor in the station and to the center contact of the light bulb. The BLACK
wire from the “base” terminal of the transformer connects to the metal
structure of the station and also to the outside contact of the light bulb.



The other wire coming from the motor connects to the station’s GREEN wire
and also to a contact that rests against the left side of the upper rotating
cam (see the picture). A second contact arm on the right side of the upper
cam (which cannot be seen well in this picture) serves as an electrical path
back to the base side of the transformer (through the black wire) and also
mechanically lifts and resets the transducer mechanism. When the station is
in “standby”, the cam disconnects the motor from the “base” side of the
transformer so that the motor will not run continuously.



When the button is pressed to start the station operation, current flows
from the yellow wire, through the motor, and back through the green wire,
the button switch and finally a black wire to the base terminal of the
transformer. As the motor starts to turn, the cam also rotates and the arm
on the right side of the cam allows the needle on the audio transducer to
contact the rotating record. When the push-button is released, the arm
continues to complete the current return path for the motor through the cam.
However, when the cam has finally come through one complete rotation, the
arm lifts the transducer off of the record and also breaks the return
current path for the motor so it will stop running.



The bottom cam in the picture is the device that controls the isolated
section of track. There are two contacts that rest against the left side of
this cam, and they are connected to the RED wire and to the WHITE wire. The
red wire goes to the “base” terminal of the transformer and the white wire
goes to the isolated section of rail. (The variable terminal of the
transformer is connected to the other rail of the track and is NOT connected
to the station.) When the station is in standby, the bottom cam shorts out
these two contacts and provides the base terminal connection to the isolated
section of track so the train can run past the station. When the button is
pushed to start the record, the cam rotates and breaks the connection
between the two contacts so the train will stop at the station.



If your train will not run when the station is in standby, you need to check
the continuity of the circuit from the red wire, through the bottom cam, and
thence through the white wire to the isolated section of track. The problem
may be some dirt or corrosion on the cam itself or the contacts, or even a
broken wire in this part of the circuit.



Good luck!

Jerry Feldman


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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:28 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Talking Station - More Help Needed



Hi All,

Does anyone have a talking station wired up and operating? I have
conflicting advice on how to wire it and none of the suggestions work so
far. And the wiring diagram is poor at best in all the manuals. Here's what
I've tried:

I'm using a 30B transformer. I've set the variable voltage to base on the
transfomer at 10 volts. The constant voltage post to base reads 18.5 volts.

Wiring:

Green to the button.

Black from the button to base post.

Yellow to constant voltage post.

Black to base post.

Red: (1) to variable post or (2) to base post. I've been told rather
strongly that the red wire must go to the variable post, but I still tried
it both ways.

White to isolated track section (variable post track isolated or base post
track isolated).

None of these combinations work. I can get the variable voltage (10 volts)
to the isolated track, but the voltage does not drop when the button is
actvated. The record plays fine and the light in the station is always on. I
have cleaned the rotating drum and all of the fingers. The station worked
fine a couple of years ago when it was last set up so I'm thinking the
problem must be with the wiring connections.

Can someone provide the proper wiring connections plus which track section
is isolated for a working station?

Thanks in advance!

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58796 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube vid
Well, the grandkids are always right - bless their hearts. So 'cabeese' it is. Actually the dark video hides all the nicks, scrapes and missing paint on the engine and tender but I decided to leave that part alone. When I get enough energy, I'll take it apart again and go in and tackle the sticky e-unit (although I already did all the recommended tweaks). But if the old gal wants to be cranky, I guess I can understand. One of the prerogatives of old age (or so I tell my wife!)

Bob Groh

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:
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> Mike Prell
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58797 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Spyware
Today or sometime before, my computer was infected with spyware, as MacAfee has most of the problem solved, but they will have to get back to me on Wednesday morning.

I asked him how these happened, as I got warnings from my MacAfee program and my email program shut down.

They got everything working again, but they said do not go on any personal websites, like banking, credit cards, etc.

They told me spyware is picked up by visiting social websites like Yahoo, Face, etc.

I was on Yahoo this weekend downloading some pictures.

So, I just want to forward you, not saying it will happen to you, but they are lurking on the yahoo groups.

Cost me 89.00 to fix, but it could of been allot worse.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58798 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Hi Harwood,
Got to be careful with the Bakers Chocolate.  Bob Tufts sent me a Bakers Chocolate to get the stickers made about 15 years ago.  Once repro stickers are made, there a lot of clever people out there to make fakes. Don't forget Reggie Carnes.  A 24330 Bakers Chocolate came with a split frame and Pikemaster couplers.  A 24313 Triple Dome Gulf with a split frame and knuckle trucks is extremely rare - NRS, but a possibility.  It was never made for sales in 1961.  My point is that A.C. Gilbert started using split frames PA15D692 in 1961 with Pikemaster trucks.  There never was a production line of tank cars with PA15D692 frames with operating knuckle trucks.  Lionel in 1979 began using the PA15D692 with knuckle trucks.  It should be noted that when Maury Romer was still living, that many of these listings we are debating were not around.  I'm sure he could answer all of our questions.
� Tom

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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:48 PM







 











Tom,

I have to disagree with you.on this. The 24323 Bakers Chocolate splt tank car always comes with Knuckle coulplers. I will dig out my two versions of the 24320 Deep Rock and see if the split tan version has knuckle couplers but I think it is the solid coupler. The other version is a solid tank on a standard plastic frame with cast side frames with solid couplers. I have never seen the split tank 24320 car come with pikemaster trucks. Even though the very rare, the split-tank 24313 Gulf three dome tank hase always come with knuckle couplers.



Harwood



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:55 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Bob,

I took a look at the photo. I believe this is a fake. Gilbert never made any tank cars with a split frame and operating knuckle couplers. The eyelets do not look like a clean press.

Tom Seccia



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:11 PM



Heimberger's book says that the split tank cars were introduced in 1960. Walt Alexandrowicz, who usually gives me good info, sold a split tank 24320 with knuckle couplers on ebay a couple of years ago. The picture is on TheGilbertGallery. org:



http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/tank_ cars2.html



I've never seen one with Pikemaster couplers either.



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:33 AM



Hi Harwood,



All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers. In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames. If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it. Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets. With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind. The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960. It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks. I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999. Do you have one of these in your collection?  When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this. These were guys with deep pockets. No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks.Â



Eric Hundertmark' s assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well. If you have something different that this, please share it. I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.



Thank You,



Tom Seccia



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Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



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and still have one of each. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58799 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Fwd: Just a simple RR Crossing in ND
You know where they have REAL snow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSS0QdE7xhA




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58800 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
I think the painted variation of the 971 is fairly common and the price in the Greenberg guide for it must be a mistake. I have no clue who comes up with the prices in the guide, but some are out of line. Jack and I have been trying to get the variations in the guide straightened out, but don't make decisions on any prices,
Harwood






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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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What this thread has shown is that there are inaccuracies in the Greenberg Guide, not just in values, but variants in particular cars. The guide, at best, would be a year behind in values. Although, I never would say never, when it comes to toy trains, I guess it is possible that at the end of the 24320 run in 1960, that a few cars were left over and got Pikemaster trucks. Haven't we seen this with American Flyer vs American Flyer Lines tender shells? The Greenberg Guides that I have are 1990, 1995, 2007 and 2009. The 1990, 1995 and 2007 guides only list 1960 as the production date for the 24320. Coupler design is not mentioned. The 2009 lists both 1960 with solid couplers and 1961 with Pikemaster. My take is just because it says it dosen't make it so. Another case in point is the 971 lumber unloading car. In the 2007 Greenberg Guide, a new variant popped up, "tuscan painted black plastic", then changed in the 2009 guide to "tuscan painted plastic" as a more valuable variant. So, in this case, just what are the variants of the 971 lumber car? Tuscan plastic? Tuscan painted on tuscan plastic? Tuscan painted on black plastic? The only one I am sure of is the tuscan painted on black plastic because that is what I have. And I doubt it is worth the high value stated in the Greenberg guide. Anyone else have thoughts on the 971?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58801 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Hey Bob,
� Would you sell yours for $700?   I can't afford it, but maybe a collector would buy it. 
� Tom Seccia


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From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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I recall back in 2007 when I saw a Tuscan painted on black plastic 971 listed on ebay with a starting price of $700. I checked Greenberg and saw it listed at $750 there, so I rushed upstairs to check mine. Imagine my delight to learn that's what I had! But not trusting Greenberg, I emailed Bob Bubeck and he said he thought it was reasonable. The 2008 Greenberg lists the painted version at $640, regardless of the color of the plastic. The 2006 book said painted on Tuscan plastic was only $155.



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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

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It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.



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>                           I just posted a message to Harwood Owings on the Pikemaster trucks for the 24320 Deep Rock. All the indications are that Gilbert started making split frames and split tanks in 1961, so there were no Deep Rock tanks either 24320 or 24321 with solid tanks to mount on a split frame. If the frame is PA14D403 that could be done, but I doubt the authenticity.  If you're looking to buy a high end collectors car and you have a question, please ask someone before you buy it or bid on it. There are plenty of members in this group who can help you.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58802 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Tom,

So, it is a bid that is going out of hand then? Nothing special, as no, it is not the 944.

So, I will let it go, as another one will come along, in the same shape, as it rates a 2 in Bob's book.

Great for the owner.

Mike

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From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,
� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM



http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.

So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58803 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Tom,
I just got off the phone with Jack Fazenbacker. He has two versions of the 24320 Deep Rock and his split tank version has pike master trucks. He bought this at Pro Custom Hobby shop in Catonsville, MD in 1987. Jack keeps meticulous records. By the way, we have been working with Kalmbach the last two years, trying to get all the variations updated in the pocket guide. They are a little slow in adding these and we have to keep going back and pushing them to do the changes and additions.
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?




Hi Bob,
I took a look at the photo. I believe this is a fake. Gilbert never made any tank cars with a split frame and operating knuckle couplers. The eyelets do not look like a clean press.
Tom Seccia

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:11 PM



Heimberger's book says that the split tank cars were introduced in 1960. Walt Alexandrowicz, who usually gives me good info, sold a split tank 24320 with knuckle couplers on ebay a couple of years ago. The picture is on TheGilbertGallery. org:

http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/tank_ cars2.html

I've never seen one with Pikemaster couplers either.

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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:33 AM

Hi Harwood,

All of my research on the 24320 Deep Rock says that this car only came one way and that is with solid knuckle couplers. In 1961 Gilbert began making the split tanks and the split frames. If anyone has a 24320 with a split frame and a split tank with Pikemaster couplers, I would like to see it. Everyone should be warned, that a few years ago, someone was offering repro Deep Rock decal sets. With that in mind the odds of a fake got to come in mind. The 24321 Deep Rock came in sets and was available in 1959 and 1960. It was not cataloged in 1961 and there is no evidence of any uncataloged tank cars with Pikemaster trucks. I'm not sure but I thought you were looking for a 24320 back in 1999. Do you have one of these in your collection?  When I was selling trains, I had many collectors ask me for this. These were guys with deep pockets. No one ever asked me for one with Pikemaster trucks.Â

Eric Hundertmark' s assessment of this car on page 144 in Greenberg's Volume I explains this very well. If you have something different that this, please share it. I'm kinda anxious to see if this sells on Ebay.

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Tom Seccia

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Subject: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58804 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Tom,

I do not think this will go any higher, but I could be wrong, as the history is just between two people me and the other fool. LOL

Hey, let him have it for 82, as I do not need the box anyway. I am sure I will find this at York for the right price and condition I need. As it is going on the shelve for a set. I am not a big stickler for paper or boxes. They just go into a bid never to be seen again. At least for maybe 20 to 30 years I hope.

Hey, it was great, but time for me to bail out on this one. LOL

Mike
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,
� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM



http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.

So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58805 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
David Doyle contacted me right before his book came out for me to look at his book.

I asked him where did he come up with these prices and he said from dealers at train meets which I am sure is how prices are established.

But when I asked what dealers, he never responded.

Mike Marmer
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From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations



I recall back in 2007 when I saw a Tuscan painted on black plastic 971 listed on ebay with a starting price of $700. I checked Greenberg and saw it listed at $750 there, so I rushed upstairs to check mine. Imagine my delight to learn that's what I had! But not trusting Greenberg, I emailed Bob Bubeck and he said he thought it was reasonable. The 2008 Greenberg lists the painted version at $640, regardless of the color of the plastic. The 2006 book said painted on Tuscan plastic was only $155.

Doyle lists unpainted and painted on Tuscan plastic both at $80, but doesn't mention painted on black plastic.

The 1991 hardback edition of Greenberg also lists unpainted and painted on
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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58806 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Pat,

I agree, as I am not sure what the logic is of this person, so he can have it.

Mike
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Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Look at their scores. Inexperienced bidders.

Pat, in Maine

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From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=260543492814

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58807 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Virus
Virus is gone, as it could be many things, but the person at MacAfee did say social networks, like Yahoo, Facebook are targets.

Just be careful.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58808 From: Richard Falzini Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware
Mike,
In regards to your spy ware issue, try going to download.com and type in AVG
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To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:59:34 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Spyware


Today or sometime before, my computer was infected with spyware, as MacAfee has most of the problem solved, but they will have to get back to me on Wednesday morning.

I asked him how these happened, as I got warnings from my MacAfee program and my email program shut down.

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I was on Yahoo this weekend downloading some pictures.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58809 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Spyware update
hi,

Just a update on the spyware I got.

It is gone and I think I know how I got it.

I do not think it was from Yahoo.

I think it was from someone hijacking my internet connection while on Ebay.

While looking at things, another website took over the ebay website, saying this was a survey from Ebay, looked very official, as I know not to fall for emails like this, from banks, etc., but it was for four questions, one being how often do you go on ebay, and so on. I thought harmless. At the end, it wanted to give me a gift for my answers, as I then clicked off and it went back to ebay.

Then the trouble started, as the computer shut down my email program, I got warnings of a Trojan and spyware, as I still had internet use.

I then contacted MacAfee, as he was able to get my computer working where I could get email , but he said do not go on personal sites, etc.

While on the computer, sort of fix, and on ebay looking at things, this survey popped up and I got the website it said.

The computer is fine now and I am downloading www.lavasoft.com free spyware detection, which I had before.

MacAfee thinks this probably was the cause.

I just got off the phone with Ebay and they are going to look into this.

so be ware.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58810 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Hi,

I tried to sell my 971 Lumber Car on E-bay two months ago.. Tuscan painted on Black plastic.. It is C-7 condition and did not get
a minimum bid of $48.00.. This car may list in Greenberg as high value.. But, it does not sell very well..

Mike

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Sent: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 01:46:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations





I recall back in 2007 when I saw a Tuscan painted on black plastic 971 listed on ebay with a starting price of $700. I checked Greenberg and saw it listed at $750 there, so I rushed upstairs to check mine. Imagine my delight to learn that's what I had! But not trusting Greenberg, I emailed Bob Bubeck and he said he thought it was reasonable. The 2008 Greenberg lists the painted version at $640, regardless of the color of the plastic. The 2006 book said painted on Tuscan plastic was only $155.


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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?

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It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58811 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
700.00.... Kinda makes me frown... I have been in Flyer for a long time... Since I got my 1948 set... To the point... I was trying to get rid of some stuff at a show a few months back... I had a 326 set... Wanted 300.00 for it when a friend said... Bob... do you know this 971 is a painted version??? Bubeck didn't list it so I had paid no attention... Well look over at table ? and that guy has one for 450.00!!!!! I went and looked and mine ie better... So needless to say I pulled it and took it home... Goes to show... We never know it all... Thanks guys and Gal on this list for SO MUCH INFORMATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Conner   .... In Balmy Montana (With SNOW EVERYWHERE!!!)

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:


From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:39 PM


 



Hey Bob,
  Would you sell yours for $700?   I can't afford it, but maybe a collector would buy it. 
  Tom Seccia
 

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:46 PM

 

I recall back in 2007 when I saw a Tuscan painted on black plastic 971 listed on ebay with a starting price of $700. I checked Greenberg and saw it listed at $750 there, so I rushed upstairs to check mine. Imagine my delight to learn that's what I had! But not trusting Greenberg, I emailed Bob Bubeck and he said he thought it was reasonable. The 2008 Greenberg lists the painted version at $640, regardless of the color of the plastic. The 2006 book said painted on Tuscan plastic was only $155.

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Tuscan plastic, both at $120, but doesn't mention painted on black

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--- On Sun, 1/31/10, acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> wrote:

From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:27 PM

It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58812 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
I don't know, but it would sure be tempting!  I probably would.


--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:39 PM







 









Hey Bob,

  Would you sell yours for $700?   I can't afford it, but maybe a collector would buy it. 

  Tom Seccia

 



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:46 PM



 



I recall back in 2007 when I saw a Tuscan painted on black plastic 971 listed on ebay with a starting price of $700. I checked Greenberg and saw it listed at $750 there, so I rushed upstairs to check mine. Imagine my delight to learn that's what I had! But not trusting Greenberg, I emailed Bob Bubeck and he said he thought it was reasonable. The 2008 Greenberg lists the painted version at $640, regardless of the color of the plastic. The 2006 book said painted on Tuscan plastic was only $155.



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--- On Sun, 1/31/10, acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> wrote:



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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



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It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:



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>                           I just posted a message to Harwood Owings on the Pikemaster trucks for the 24320 Deep Rock. All the indications are that Gilbert started making split frames and split tanks in 1961, so there were no Deep Rock tanks either 24320 or 24321 with solid tanks to mount on a split frame. If the frame is PA14D403 that could be done, but I doubt the authenticity.  If you're looking to buy a high end collectors car and you have a question, please ask someone before you buy it or bid on it. There are plenty of members in this group who can help you.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58813 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Mike,
� I believe you are correct when you say the price on this crane is too high.  Those who are bidding got their eye on the box.  You can get a 944 cheaper than that.  I put a watch on it.  I'll let you know the selling price.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Tom,



So, it is a bid that is going out of hand then? Nothing special, as no, it is not the 944.



So, I will let it go, as another one will come along, in the same shape, as it rates a 2 in Bob's book.



Great for the owner.



Mike



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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,

� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.

� Tom Seccia



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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM



http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4



Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.



The condition is given as Excellant.



So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.



Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.



So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58814 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Handrails
Hi Group,

I am working on a gilbert project car and need to make a set of custom handrails.. What is the diameter of the wire and what can I use ?
to make handrails ?

thx Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58815 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - TROUBLESHOOTING
Jerry,

Thanks for the excellent explanation of how the talking station works. I'll check all the wiring connections again tonight. The photo you attached appears to have been removed by Yahoo. Please post it in the Photo section.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> Good Morning,
>
>
>
> (The following is likely a bit too long winded for those not trying to
> connect or repair their station, and I do apologize. Just hit the delete
> and move on.)
>
>
>
> I've provided the correct wiring for the AF #755 Station in an earlier
> e-mail (and have now verified it with the actual station).
>
>
>
> To troubleshoot the problem with the station, you should understand how it
> operates.
>
>
>
> The enclosed photograph shows the electrical switching mechanism inside the
> talking station. There are two rotating gold-colored metal cams insulated
> from a metal shaft that is driven by the motor through some gears. These
> two cams act as rotational relays.
>
>
>
> The station's YELLOW wire is connected from the constant voltage terminal
> (nominal 15 volt) of the transformer to one of the two wires coming from the
> motor in the station and to the center contact of the light bulb. The BLACK
> wire from the "base" terminal of the transformer connects to the metal
> structure of the station and also to the outside contact of the light bulb.
>
>
>
> The other wire coming from the motor connects to the station's GREEN wire
> and also to a contact that rests against the left side of the upper rotating
> cam (see the picture). A second contact arm on the right side of the upper
> cam (which cannot be seen well in this picture) serves as an electrical path
> back to the base side of the transformer (through the black wire) and also
> mechanically lifts and resets the transducer mechanism. When the station is
> in "standby", the cam disconnects the motor from the "base" side of the
> transformer so that the motor will not run continuously.
>
>
>
> When the button is pressed to start the station operation, current flows
> from the yellow wire, through the motor, and back through the green wire,
> the button switch and finally a black wire to the base terminal of the
> transformer. As the motor starts to turn, the cam also rotates and the arm
> on the right side of the cam allows the needle on the audio transducer to
> contact the rotating record. When the push-button is released, the arm
> continues to complete the current return path for the motor through the cam.
> However, when the cam has finally come through one complete rotation, the
> arm lifts the transducer off of the record and also breaks the return
> current path for the motor so it will stop running.
>
>
>
> The bottom cam in the picture is the device that controls the isolated
> section of track. There are two contacts that rest against the left side of
> this cam, and they are connected to the RED wire and to the WHITE wire. The
> red wire goes to the "base" terminal of the transformer and the white wire
> goes to the isolated section of rail. (The variable terminal of the
> transformer is connected to the other rail of the track and is NOT connected
> to the station.) When the station is in standby, the bottom cam shorts out
> these two contacts and provides the base terminal connection to the isolated
> section of track so the train can run past the station. When the button is
> pushed to start the record, the cam rotates and breaks the connection
> between the two contacts so the train will stop at the station.
>
>
>
> If your train will not run when the station is in standby, you need to check
> the continuity of the circuit from the red wire, through the bottom cam, and
> thence through the white wire to the isolated section of track. The problem
> may be some dirt or corrosion on the cam itself or the contacts, or even a
> broken wire in this part of the circuit.
>
>
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jerry Feldman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of bull_gator_1
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:28 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Talking Station - More Help Needed
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a talking station wired up and operating? I have
> conflicting advice on how to wire it and none of the suggestions work so
> far. And the wiring diagram is poor at best in all the manuals. Here's what
> I've tried:
>
> I'm using a 30B transformer. I've set the variable voltage to base on the
> transfomer at 10 volts. The constant voltage post to base reads 18.5 volts.
>
> Wiring:
>
> Green to the button.
>
> Black from the button to base post.
>
> Yellow to constant voltage post.
>
> Black to base post.
>
> Red: (1) to variable post or (2) to base post. I've been told rather
> strongly that the red wire must go to the variable post, but I still tried
> it both ways.
>
> White to isolated track section (variable post track isolated or base post
> track isolated).
>
> None of these combinations work. I can get the variable voltage (10 volts)
> to the isolated track, but the voltage does not drop when the button is
> actvated. The record plays fine and the light in the station is always on. I
> have cleaned the rotating drum and all of the fingers. The station worked
> fine a couple of years ago when it was last set up so I'm thinking the
> problem must be with the wiring connections.
>
> Can someone provide the proper wiring connections plus which track section
> is isolated for a working station?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58816 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Lionel parts dealer
Can anyone recommend a web or phone order Lionel parts dealer? Perhaps Lionel themselves? I know where to get AF parts quickly but have never had a need to order Lionel parts before and want to get them here ASAP.

Thanks for your help!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 58817 From: Richard Falzini Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware update
Hello,
In regards to Lavasoft anti spyware I think it works alright.
However, I do prefer AVG.

As I also stated check out www.download.com

Look up these which are free down loads --

AVG - Anti Virus

CCleaner - Registry Cleaner

Ausilogics - Defragmenter

Glary Utilities - This optimizes your computer to maximum performance

Rich




________________________________
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 11:34:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Spyware update


hi,

Just a update on the spyware I got.

It is gone and I think I know how I got it.

I do not think it was from Yahoo.

I think it was from someone hijacking my internet connection while on Ebay.

While looking at things, another website took over the ebay website, saying this was a survey from Ebay, looked very official, as I know not to fall for emails like this, from banks, etc., but it was for four questions, one being how often do you go on ebay, and so on. I thought harmless. At the end, it wanted to give me a gift for my answers, as I then clicked off and it went back to ebay.

Then the trouble started, as the computer shut down my email program, I got warnings of a Trojan and spyware, as I still had internet use.

I then contacted MacAfee, as he was able to get my computer working where I could get email , but he said do not go on personal sites, etc.

While on the computer, sort of fix, and on ebay looking at things, this survey popped up and I got the website it said.

The computer is fine now and I am downloading www.lavasoft. com free spyware detection, which I had before.

MacAfee thinks this probably was the cause.

I just got off the phone with Ebay and they are going to look into this.

so be ware.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58818 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Thanks Tom, as I need that particular number for a set I am rebuilding.

There is only one other person bidding on it, so I have no idea what his thinking is, box, maybe, but, still I would think it could be gotten for less than 82 with a box.

Maybe I should put a bid in again and see what happens,.LOL NOOOOOOOOO!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,
� I believe you are correct when you say the price on this crane is too high. Those who are bidding got their eye on the box. You can get a 944 cheaper than that. I put a watch on it. I'll let you know the selling price.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:37 PM



Tom,

So, it is a bid that is going out of hand then? Nothing special, as no, it is not the 944.

So, I will let it go, as another one will come along, in the same shape, as it rates a 2 in Bob's book.

Great for the owner.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

Hi Mike,

� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.

� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM

http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.

So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58819 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware
Thanks Rich, as I downloaded Lavasoft spyware already.

I appreciated the link as maybe others will now down either one.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Falzini
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Spyware



Mike,
In regards to your spy ware issue, try going to download.com and type in AVG
It is a free anti - spy ware I use.

You can get it here for free along with many other cool things

Rich

________________________________
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:59:34 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Spyware

Today or sometime before, my computer was infected with spyware, as MacAfee has most of the problem solved, but they will have to get back to me on Wednesday morning.

I asked him how these happened, as I got warnings from my MacAfee program and my email program shut down.

They got everything working again, but they said do not go on any personal websites, like banking, credit cards, etc.

They told me spyware is picked up by visiting social websites like Yahoo, Face, etc.

I was on Yahoo this weekend downloading some pictures.

So, I just want to forward you, not saying it will happen to you, but they are lurking on the yahoo groups.

Cost me 89.00 to fix, but it could of been allot worse.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58820 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Lionel.com has a parts lookup and order page for current parts for parts
less than 3 years old.

They have gotten much better in their delivery time.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of tbennerohio
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:45 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer



Can anyone recommend a web or phone order Lionel parts dealer? Perhaps
Lionel themselves? I know where to get AF parts quickly but have never had a
need to order Lionel parts before and want to get them here ASAP.

Thanks for your help!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58821 From: Steven Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Hi guys,
My question this time is...I got the SHS SW1 from a member, and want to set it up for DCC. I see on the S helper website how they did it. BUT with the current products available is there another way?
I saw the Soundtraxx all in one decoder with sound...anyone know if that would work? or fit?
Anyone put DCC and sound in have some info to offer?
Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 58822 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Spyware update
Rich,

I will take a look at that, as Lavasoft gave me something else.

I also got a few other suggestions from others in private.

I think we all need something like this.

Just to all, be weary of any survey while on line with Ebay. Not ebays doing.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Falzini
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Spyware update



Hello,
In regards to Lavasoft anti spyware I think it works alright.
However, I do prefer AVG.

As I also stated check out www.download.com

Look up these which are free down loads --

AVG - Anti Virus

CCleaner - Registry Cleaner

Ausilogics - Defragmenter

Glary Utilities - This optimizes your computer to maximum performance

Rich

________________________________
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 11:34:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Spyware update

hi,

Just a update on the spyware I got.

It is gone and I think I know how I got it.

I do not think it was from Yahoo.

I think it was from someone hijacking my internet connection while on Ebay.

While looking at things, another website took over the ebay website, saying this was a survey from Ebay, looked very official, as I know not to fall for emails like this, from banks, etc., but it was for four questions, one being how often do you go on ebay, and so on. I thought harmless. At the end, it wanted to give me a gift for my answers, as I then clicked off and it went back to ebay.

Then the trouble started, as the computer shut down my email program, I got warnings of a Trojan and spyware, as I still had internet use.

I then contacted MacAfee, as he was able to get my computer working where I could get email , but he said do not go on personal sites, etc.

While on the computer, sort of fix, and on ebay looking at things, this survey popped up and I got the website it said.

The computer is fine now and I am downloading www.lavasoft. com free spyware detection, which I had before.

MacAfee thinks this probably was the cause.

I just got off the phone with Ebay and they are going to look into this.

so be ware.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58823 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
There are some all in one decoders small enough to fit in there. The
quantum revolution by QSI will probably fit, but it is expensive. There are some
tiny sound only decoders by MRC that will fit and you can couple them up
with a small HO type decoder such as Digitrax DH123 or DH163, or a silver/
gold decoder by Lenz.That entire setup should cost less than $90.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 02/01/2010 12:55:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
stryker_rulz07@... writes:




Hi guys,
My question this time is...I got the SHS SW1 from a member, and want to
set it up for DCC. I see on the S helper website how they did it. BUT with
the current products available is there another way?
I saw the Soundtraxx all in one decoder with sound...anyone know if that
would work? or fit?
Anyone put DCC and sound in have some info to offer?
Thanks





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58824 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Tim,
You can also try: http://www.mikestrainsandhobbies.com/


Rick



On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:44 AM, tbennerohio wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a web or phone order Lionel parts dealer? Perhaps Lionel themselves? I know where to get AF parts quickly but have never had a need to order Lionel parts before and want to get them here ASAP.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58825 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Hi Steven,

The Tsunami is about the same size as a DSX, and
of course you wouldn't need the LE040. So I'd do
essentially the same install, but just using the single decoder.

There is a micro-Tsunami that would save space
and would probably work. The SW-1 uses less than
.3 amps so current wouldn't be a problem. I don't
have any experience with the micro.

Regards,
Bill

At 02:08 PM 2/1/2010, Steven wrote:
>
>
>Hi guys,
>My question this time is...I got the SHS SW1
>from a member, and want to set it up for DCC. I
>see on the S helper website how they did it. BUT
>with the current products available is there another way?
>I saw the Soundtraxx all in one decoder with
>sound...anyone know if that would work? or fit?
>Anyone put DCC and sound in have some info to offer?
>Thanks
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58826 From: sgaugian Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
I installed a steam micro-Tsunami in a Bachmann On30 (Sn42) 4-4-0. Fit
swell, works well.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58827 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Hi Tim

You might want to try Doug Peck at portlines he should be able to get parts, I ordered some station parts from him about a month ago, and they were from Lionel doug@... it may take a day or two for him to answer. Hope this helps
Stan Sobieski
----- Original Message -----
From: tbennerohio
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer



Can anyone recommend a web or phone order Lionel parts dealer? Perhaps Lionel themselves? I know where to get AF parts quickly but have never had a need to order Lionel parts before and want to get them here ASAP.

Thanks for your help!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58828 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer
This is for the TCA list.

Can anyone recommend a Lionel Parts dealer for this person, as I just had some names when I was searching for something, as I got many names from this list.

But I do not have those names anymore.

thanks.

mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: tbennerohio
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer



Can anyone recommend a web or phone order Lionel parts dealer? Perhaps Lionel themselves? I know where to get AF parts quickly but have never had a need to order Lionel parts before and want to get them here ASAP.

Thanks for your help!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58829 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel parts dealer
Thanks Matt.

Tim, do you want modern or pre war, I guess, might be the other part of this.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Cornely
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: [toytrains] Lionel parts dealer



Depends if they want modern stuff or not.

Matt Cornely
Main Line Hobbies
East Norriton, PA 19401
MainLineHobbies.com





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58830 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
I put a email into the TCA group, as there a ton of Lionel part dealers, so wait till you hear back from me, as buying S parts from Doug is great, but I think you can do well going direct, with out added cost.

Also google Lionel Parts dealers.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Stanley Sobieski
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer



Hi Tim

You might want to try Doug Peck at portlines he should be able to get parts, I ordered some station parts from him about a month ago, and they were from Lionel doug@... it may take a day or two for him to answer. Hope this helps
Stan Sobieski
----- Original Message -----
From: tbennerohio
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer

Can anyone recommend a web or phone order Lionel parts dealer? Perhaps Lionel themselves? I know where to get AF parts quickly but have never had a need to order Lionel parts before and want to get them here ASAP.

Thanks for your help!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58831 From: albert paolozzi Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
Eastside trains Inc, in Kirkland,  Washington.  phone 425-828-4098   They are a Lionel Factory Authorized Sales and Service.  Also a large inventory of Lionel.   Fax number is 425 803-0456
www.eastsidetrains.com

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:

From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 11:57 AM







 









Tim,

You can also try: http://www.mikestra insandhobbies. com/



Rick



On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:44 AM, tbennerohio wrote:



> Can anyone recommend a web or phone order Lionel parts dealer? Perhaps Lionel themselves? I know where to get AF parts quickly but have never had a need to order Lionel parts before and want to get them here ASAP.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58832 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Trojan update
I just want to confirm that the Trojan I got was from while I was on Ebay, not eBay's fault, as this survey that looks official popped up.

The webpage was yourinputsurvey.com.

I google that and sure enough, it is a Trojan.

So, for all those who go on Ebay, just be aware not to fall for this like I did.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58833 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station - TROUBLESHOOTING
My apologies - I forgot that attachments get stripped.

It is done!

I posted the #755 installation instructions in the folder: "Jerry's AF
Files" and the photograph of the cams in the folder; "Jerry's AF Photos"

Jerry Feldman
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:29 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Talking Station - TROUBLESHOOTING



Jerry,

Thanks for the excellent explanation of how the talking station works.
I'll check all the wiring connections again tonight. The photo you attached
appears to have been removed by Yahoo. Please post it in the Photo section.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...>
wrote:



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58834 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Tom,
You have to be careful about calling these fakes. My 24330 Baker's
split tank came from an original home owner here in my area. He had owned it
from childhood. I have seen a number of these over the years and they are
not fakes. You cannot state that they never made split tank cars with
operating knuckle couplers, period!! I will bet my life on it. I and others have
had the chance over the years to go through tons of original Flyer and had
a chance most people don't get, to see numerous variations of rolling
stock, etc.

Harwood

P.S. Your are invited to view these and many other varations any time you
would like, I will even pay for your gas to come down.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58835 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: 755 Talking Station - Resistor
Hi All,

If you look in the photos alnum labeled "755 resistor" you will see a photo of the resistor on my 755 talking station. The resistor jumpers between the red wire and the white wire. The purpose of the resistor is to lower the voltage to the isolated track section when the station is activated. This stops the locomotive at the station but does not trip the e-unit. As the record nears the end of its play, the resistor is taken out of the circuit and the voltage rises to send the locomotive on its way.

Jerry's station does not have the resistor based on the photo he posted, so I'm not sure if this would change the wiring hook up.

I have wired the station as per Jerry's instructions but the station still is not working properly. The locomotive does not stop when the station is activated but continues to run. The voltage across the isolated section of track is 10 volts when the station is not activated and remains at 10 volts throughout the station cycle.

I'm open to try anything to get this thing working again!

Thanks for any help.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58836 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Get the Trains to the Grandkids (Was: My AF 310 loco is up and runni
Hello friends:

Bob's posts about running the old AF 310 for the grandkids inspired me to post a message and some pix about my modest effort last Christmas to pass on the toy train hobby to my grandkids. My two boys and my grandkids have been exposed to and aware of my toy train hobby interests all of their lives. Mostly they have been involved in the display of our Capitol Holidays Layout at the Oregon State Capitol and various train shows. When we visited the family last year, I took them all to the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers display at the museum in King's Mountain, NC, and they all seemed to get a big kick out of seeing the trains run and the accessories operate.

However, many years ago at a previous home that actually had room for a layout in the basement, the boys enjoyed my traditional AF set up, and I gave a very simple and cheap (These were the days when my collection was very small and my collecting budget even smaller!) AF set I cobbled together to my oldest son for Christmas when he was about 8 years old. The set remained packed away at our current home while he finished school, college, got married and moved out.

He and his wife recently moved to South Carolina, taking our three grandchildren with him. Shortly before Christmas, he suggested that it might be time to see if the kids had any continuing interest in toy trains. We thought we might start with a temporary, Christmas time set up. My first thought was to purchase a new production set for them, but after considering the reasonable price and availability of nice O gauge or HO sets, I came to my senses and decided to try to start them in S gauge. I looked at sets from S Helper Service, American Models and Lionel AF, but then I remembered my son's old set stored under the table in my "train" room. Why not ship his set back to them without letting him know what was coming?

At the World's Greatest Hobby Show in November, I purchased two different TTOS Smokey the Bear S gauge cars for the two grandsons, and I cleaned up a matching green T&P Gondola I already had for my granddaughter. We gave these cars to the kids soon after we arrived in SC for the holidays. Then we had their dad help them open what we had shipped back to them before we arrived.

I have posted some new pix in my Yahoo S-Trains Group album, Alan's Place, which pretty much speak for themselves.

The trains are definitely not collector quality, but worked right out of the box when I tested them at home before shipping and again for the kids. If they continue to enjoy them, I will be delighted to upgrade their rolling stock, etc from my collection and with new production items. For now, the excitement generated by the cheap old train set was sufficient to add a delightful element to our holiday visit. And there is no question that our granddaughter was every bit as excited about the trains as her brothers. Perhaps she will be the one to take up the legacy.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: zemouse2001
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My AF 310 loco is up and running - also first try at YouTube video
Well, the grandkids are always right - bless their hearts. So 'cabeese' it is. Actually the dark video hides all the nicks, scrapes and missing paint on the engine and tender but I decided to leave that part alone. When I get enough energy, I'll take it apart again and go in and tackle the sticky e-unit (although I already did all the recommended tweaks). But if the old gal wants to be cranky, I guess I can understand. One of the prerogatives of old age (or so I tell my wife!)

Bob Groh

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:
>
> Great job of restoration and also a very nice video of your accomplishment. You've got a right to be happy about this worthwhile project! BTW, it's Cabeese. That's what my GrandDaughter told me.
> Mike Prell
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58837 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 755 Talking Station - Resistor
BG1,

Take the roof off the station and watch the operation of the cams and
contacts as you run the station through one or two full cycles of operation.
Both cams should turn slowly together through one full rotation as the
record plays. You should also see the contacts move as the high and low
surfaces of the cams pass by the contacts. The cam that interrupts the
white / red set of contacts could be loose and not turning properly.

I wonder if that resistor was original with the station or if someone added
it later to correct the reversing relay problem. Did you get your station
new or was it used? The resistor appears to be soldered to the contact
springs close to where they contact the cam (i.e., past the eyelets that
anchor the contacts to the phenolic insulator strip). If so, the
flexibility of the contacts may have been compromised so that they no longer
disconnect from the cam during operation of the record. The resistor should
have been connected with flexible multi-strand wire at the end of the
contacts furthest from the cam.

Also, it looks on your photograph as though you are missing some teeth on
the top fiber gear. However, I strongly suspect that I am just seeing a
shadow. If teeth are broken off that gear, the record would not even play..

Jerry Feldman



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:49 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 755 Talking Station - Resistor



Hi All,

If you look in the photos alnum labeled "755 resistor" you will see a
photo of the resistor on my 755 talking station. The resistor jumpers
between the red wire and the white wire. The purpose of the resistor is to
lower the voltage to the isolated track section when the station is
activated. This stops the locomotive at the station but does not trip the
e-unit. As the record nears the end of its play, the resistor is taken out
of the circuit and the voltage rises to send the locomotive on its way.

Jerry's station does not have the resistor based on the photo he posted,
so I'm not sure if this would change the wiring hook up.

I have wired the station as per Jerry's instructions but the station still
is not working properly. The locomotive does not stop when the station is
activated but continues to run. The voltage across the isolated section of
track is 10 volts when the station is not activated and remains at 10 volts
throughout the station cycle.

I'm open to try anything to get this thing working again!

Thanks for any help.

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58838 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: etiquette
Do you think we could all keep in mind the "etiquette" of limiting the
quoting of prior emails in our postings?

Some recent postings have a string of MANY unnecessary thread postings
included.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58839 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel parts dealer
Thanks to everyone for all of the responses! This group is incredible!

Now to answer the question, I am looking for new (can) motors and gears.

Thanks again!

Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 58840 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Lionel parts dealer
Lionel parts----



I highly recommend:



Dave Laughridge ("Dr Tinker"), former Lionel employee.



DAVE LAUGHRIDGE

1 BELFRY TERRACE

LEXINGTON, MA 02421-4909



781-862-5798



DLaughr@...





Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58841 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer
That is the one someone recommended back in November when I was looking for a Lionel item, as I forgot his name, and I forgot to clear out the below.

He responds quickly.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Peck
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Lionel parts dealer



Lionel parts----

I highly recommend:

Dave Laughridge ("Dr Tinker"), former Lionel employee.

DAVE LAUGHRIDGE

1 BELFRY TERRACE

LEXINGTON, MA 02421-4909

781-862-5798

DLaughr@...

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58842 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: And the result is
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260543492814&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58843 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Hi Harwood,
                          I was not suggesting that you had fake cars in your collection.  I was stating that these cars were reproduced and some people sold these as real piece.  I believe you have a copy of Greenberg's Volume II.  See page 77 on the 24320 Deep rock and 24323 Bakers Chocolate.  Some of these cars such as the 625 Orange Shell, 24319 Penn Salt were regular reproductions.  Once these got sold into circulation, some sellers sold these as originals and some buyers were screwed.  Just because you or Jack have one of these cars in your collection, doesn't mean someone didn't make a fake.  I've been to your house and I seen quite a few odd ball original items so I wouldn't doubt your word, but don't try and tell me that there are no fakes on the 24320 Deep Rock or the 24323 Bakers Chocolate Car.   This question comes between 1960 and 1961.  In 1960 there were no tank cars cataloged with split frames.  The
part number for the split frame PA15D692 did exist in that year.  The factory most likely made a few pre production models of tank cars with split frames with knuckle coupler trucks.  The Gilbert factory most likely wanted to use up the rest of the the tank car bodies along with the solid knuckle couplers PA15B215.  In 1961 Gilbert went to full production of split tank frames and bodies on all tank cars with Pikemaster trucks.  This entire topic started with a 24320 Deep Rock.  In the 1999 Greenberg Price Guide it lists a 24320 for $410 in Excellent condition, so putting the debate aside, what kind of price would you put on that car with solid knuckle couplers?
                                               Tom

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 6:44 PM







 









Tom,

You have to be careful about calling these fakes. My 24330 Baker's

split tank came from an original home owner here in my area. He had owned it

from childhood. I have seen a number of these over the years and they are

not fakes. You cannot state that they never made split tank cars with

operating knuckle couplers, period!! I will bet my life on it. I and others have

had the chance over the years to go through tons of original Flyer and had

a chance most people don't get, to see numerous variations of rolling

stock, etc.



Harwood



P.S. Your are invited to view these and many other varations any time you

would like, I will even pay for your gas to come down.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58844 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: 971 lumber car variations
Hi Bob,
� If you can get $700 for that car, God Bless You.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:28 AM







 









I don't know, but it would sure be tempting! I probably would.



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:39 PM







Hey Bob,



Would you sell yours for $700?  I can't afford it, but maybe a collector would buy it.Â



Tom Seccia







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From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com>



Subject: [S-Trains] 971 lumber car variations



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 8:46 PM



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I recall back in 2007 when I saw a Tuscan painted on black plastic 971 listed on ebay with a starting price of $700. I checked Greenberg and saw it listed at $750 there, so I rushed upstairs to check mine. Imagine my delight to learn that's what I had! But not trusting Greenberg, I emailed Bob Bubeck and he said he thought it was reasonable. The 2008 Greenberg lists the painted version at $640, regardless of the color of the plastic. The 2006 book said painted on Tuscan plastic was only $155.



Doyle lists unpainted and painted on Tuscan plastic both at $80, but doesn't mention painted on black plastic.



The 1991 hardback edition of Greenberg also lists unpainted and painted on



Tuscan plastic, both at $120, but doesn't mention painted on black



plastic.



The 1980 hardback edition of Greenberg acknowledges only painted on Tuscan plastic.



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> wrote:



From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com>



Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:27 PM



It seems that the consensus of this thread is that the 2009 Greenberg Guide is in error with its listing of the 24320 with Pike Master couplers. Since I am primarily an operator and not a high end collector, items such as the 24320 have never been on my want list. The 24321 fits my needs just fine. However, I do find the information shared on this Group on such subjects very informative. I am relatively new to this hobby (15 years), and a viewer of this Group for only about ten years. It has been a great source of information. Having said that, in a previous posting I had mentioned the 971 lumber car and the variations listed in the 2007 and 2009 Greenberg guides. Any comments/informatio n pertaining to 971 variations would be appreciated.



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>                           I just posted a message to Harwood Owings on the Pikemaster trucks for the 24320 Deep Rock. All the indications are that Gilbert started making split frames and split tanks in 1961, so there were no Deep Rock tanks either 24320 or 24321 with solid tanks to mount on a split frame. If the frame is PA14D403 that could be done, but I doubt the authenticity.  If you're looking to buy a high end collectors car and you have a question, please ask someone before you buy it or bid on it. There are plenty of members in this group who can help you.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58845 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Mike,
I'm on ebay all the time, if I see that 24543 crane, I'll email you.  I've sold these in the past for $35. 
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 12:58 PM







 









Thanks Tom, as I need that particular number for a set I am rebuilding.



There is only one other person bidding on it, so I have no idea what his thinking is, box, maybe, but, still I would think it could be gotten for less than 82 with a box.



Maybe I should put a bid in again and see what happens,.LOL NOOOOOOOOO!



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,

� I believe you are correct when you say the price on this crane is too high. Those who are bidding got their eye on the box. You can get a 944 cheaper than that. I put a watch on it. I'll let you know the selling price.

� Tom Seccia



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:



From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:37 PM



Tom,



So, it is a bid that is going out of hand then? Nothing special, as no, it is not the 944.



So, I will let it go, as another one will come along, in the same shape, as it rates a 2 in Bob's book.



Great for the owner.



Mike



----- Original Message -----



From: Sheila Seccia



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:04 PM



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,



� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.



� Tom Seccia



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:



From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM



http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4



Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.



The condition is given as Excellant.



So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.



Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.



So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58846 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
Hi Steve,
 
Actually, the QSI Revolution is not that expensive. Your combination costs $90.00, The Revolution PLUS a GREAT speaker will only cost $9.00 more. I am a bit biased as they have a great no-fault 2-year warranty. I blew one up by touching the speaker wire to a hot DCC rail while the loco was no the track. POOF !!! it was gone. They replaced it without a problem.
 
For my money, it is a great bargain. One more thing. If you know someone with the programmer, you can customize the sounds to anything you want.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
There are some all in one decoders small enough to fit in there. The 
quantum revolution by QSI will probably fit, but it is expensive. There are some 
tiny sound only decoders by MRC that will fit and you can couple them up
with a  small HO type decoder such as Digitrax DH123 or DH163, or a silver/
gold decoder  by Lenz.That entire setup should cost less than $90.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58847 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/1/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Thanks Tom, as I look at ebay all the time too.

I am sure I will find one at York as this is a common car.

Thanks Again,

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,
I'm on ebay all the time, if I see that 24543 crane, I'll email you. I've sold these in the past for $35.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 12:58 PM



Thanks Tom, as I need that particular number for a set I am rebuilding.

There is only one other person bidding on it, so I have no idea what his thinking is, box, maybe, but, still I would think it could be gotten for less than 82 with a box.

Maybe I should put a bid in again and see what happens,.LOL NOOOOOOOOO!

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

Hi Mike,

� I believe you are correct when you say the price on this crane is too high. Those who are bidding got their eye on the box. You can get a 944 cheaper than that. I put a watch on it. I'll let you know the selling price.

� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:37 PM

Tom,

So, it is a bid that is going out of hand then? Nothing special, as no, it is not the 944.

So, I will let it go, as another one will come along, in the same shape, as it rates a 2 in Bob's book.

Great for the owner.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

Hi Mike,

� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.

� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM

http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.

So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58848 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: DCC and sound in SHS SW-1
In a message dated 02/01/2010 9:22:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
cornwall9@... writes:




Hi Steve,

Actually, the QSI Revolution is not that expensive. Your combination costs
$90.00, The Revolution PLUS a GREAT speaker will only cost $9.00 more.
It's drawback is it's amperage capacity. Otherwise it is excellent.I am a bit
biased as they have a great no-fault 2-year warranty. I blew one up by
touching the speaker wire to a hot DCC rail while the loco was no the track.
POOF !!! it was gone..They replaced it without a problem. MRC replaced two
for me a couple of weeks ago. Same no haggle. Most of their decoders come
with speakers too.
MRC has a very nice large (4 amp) unit for diesels and steamers. Fully
programmable. Comes with a nice large speaker. Great for Flyer large steamers
and Diesels.
For my money, it is a great bargain. One more thing. If you know someone
with the programmer, you can customize the sounds to anything you want. Many
of them have that ability.

Regards,
Nick Kulp

>>>>>
There are some all in one decoders small enough to fit in there. The
quantum revolution by QSI will probably fit, but it is expensive. There
are some
tiny sound only decoders by MRC that will fit and you can couple them up
with a small HO type decoder such as Digitrax DH123 or DH163, or a
silver/
gold decoder by Lenz.That entire setup should cost less than $90.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58849 From: Bruce Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Mike,

No, Ebay is not always cheap, but the bidder's prospective level of ignorance is always suspect.

Bruce




From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:17 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260543492814&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58850 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Lionel parts dealer (have motors you need)
I have a few of the original Lionel (American Flyer) can motors from their
earlier ALCOs and GEEPS. They come with gear attached.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 02/01/2010 7:07:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
tim.benner@... writes:




Thanks to everyone for all of the responses! This group is incredible!

Now to answer the question, I am looking for new (can) motors and gears.

Thanks again!

Tim





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58851 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Fannib the fire - 24323
Group: S-Trains Message: 58852 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Mike,
Car sold for $82.  I believe you will do better than that.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:44 PM







 









Thanks Tom, as I look at ebay all the time too.



I am sure I will find one at York as this is a common car.



Thanks Again,



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:38 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,

I'm on ebay all the time, if I see that 24543 crane, I'll email you. I've sold these in the past for $35.

Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 2/1/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:



From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 12:58 PM



Thanks Tom, as I need that particular number for a set I am rebuilding.



There is only one other person bidding on it, so I have no idea what his thinking is, box, maybe, but, still I would think it could be gotten for less than 82 with a box.



Maybe I should put a bid in again and see what happens,.LOL NOOOOOOOOO!



Mike



----- Original Message -----



From: Sheila Seccia



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:27 AM



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,



� I believe you are correct when you say the price on this crane is too high. Those who are bidding got their eye on the box. You can get a 944 cheaper than that. I put a watch on it. I'll let you know the selling price.



� Tom Seccia



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:



From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:37 PM



Tom,



So, it is a bid that is going out of hand then? Nothing special, as no, it is not the 944.



So, I will let it go, as another one will come along, in the same shape, as it rates a 2 in Bob's book.



Great for the owner.



Mike



----- Original Message -----



From: Sheila Seccia



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:04 PM



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,



� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.



� Tom Seccia



--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:



From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM



http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4



Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.



The condition is given as Excellant.



So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.



Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.



So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58853 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Tom,
I'm not saying that there were no fakes made of these cars out there, but honest to goodness originals exist of these split tank versions exist. As far as the value for the Deep Rock version on Ebay, if in E condition, a fair price would range from $475-550. I still think this car is rarer than the Pennsalt. Jack is going to send me pics of his two and I will foward to you along with pics of mine.
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320




Hi Harwood,
I was not suggesting that you had fake cars in your collection. I was stating that these cars were reproduced and some people sold these as real piece. I believe you have a copy of Greenberg's Volume II. See page 77 on the 24320 Deep rock and 24323 Bakers Chocolate. Some of these cars such as the 625 Orange Shell, 24319 Penn Salt were regular reproductions. Once these got sold into circulation, some sellers sold these as originals and some buyers were screwed. Just because you or Jack have one of these cars in your collection, doesn't mean someone didn't make a fake. I've been to your house and I seen quite a few odd ball original items so I wouldn't doubt your word, but don't try and tell me that there are no fakes on the 24320 Deep Rock or the 24323 Bakers Chocolate Car. This question comes between 1960 and 1961. In 1960 there were no tank cars cataloged with split frames. The
part number for the split frame PA15D692 did exist in that year. The factory most likely made a few pre production models of tank cars with split frames with knuckle coupler trucks. The Gilbert factory most likely wanted to use up the rest of the the tank car bodies along with the solid knuckle couplers PA15B215. In 1961 Gilbert went to full production of split tank frames and bodies on all tank cars with Pikemaster trucks. This entire topic started with a 24320 Deep Rock. In the 1999 Greenberg Price Guide it lists a 24320 for $410 in Excellent condition, so putting the debate aside, what kind of price would you put on that car with solid knuckle couplers?
Tom

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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 6:44 PM



Tom,

You have to be careful about calling these fakes. My 24330 Baker's

split tank came from an original home owner here in my area. He had owned it

from childhood. I have seen a number of these over the years and they are

not fakes. You cannot state that they never made split tank cars with

operating knuckle couplers, period!! I will bet my life on it. I and others have

had the chance over the years to go through tons of original Flyer and had

a chance most people don't get, to see numerous variations of rolling

stock, etc.

Harwood

P.S. Your are invited to view these and many other varations any time you

would like, I will even pay for your gas to come down.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58854 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: 755 Talking Station - Resistor
BG1,

Any joy with the 755 Talking Station yet?

As you have stated, the Black(base), Yellow(15v) and Green(control button) wires run the motor and the lightbulb.

The red and white wires are a separate circuit which powers the insulated track. This way the station can be used with AC or DC. It also means it can control either the base or 7-15v side of the track circuit as long as the same rail is insulated.

My 755 has the same resistor as yours. On my installation the red wire is connected to the bus for the 7-15v rail which is the insulated one. The white wire is connected to the 7-15v rail inside the insulated section.

Referring to your photo, the red and white wires are attached to the two rightmost contacts. When the station is at rest the cam completes the circuit and the full 7-15v is passed to the insulated rail. When activated, one of the fingers passes onto an insulated spot of the cam so the current passed is going through the resistor. As long as the insulated rail is really insulated its voltage will per the resistor.

I would suggest testing the simplest thing first... is the insulated track really insulated? Does the loco run through it when the white wire is disconnected from the track? If it does then the section is not really insulated.

The next test would be disconnect the red and white wires from the layout. Put an ohmmeter across them. At rest it should read close to zero ohms. When activated the resistance should jump up to around 10 ohms if I remember correctly. If the resistance does not change then the red/white circuit is never being broken by the cam. Is the right section of the cam rotating? If it is loose you can tighten the setscrew. If the whole cam IS rotating then look for shorts between the red and white wires. Hope this helps.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> If you look in the photos alnum labeled "755 resistor" you will see a photo of the resistor on my 755 talking station. The resistor jumpers between the red wire and the white wire. The purpose of the resistor is to lower the voltage to the isolated track section when the station is activated. This stops the locomotive at the station but does not trip the e-unit. As the record nears the end of its play, the resistor is taken out of the circuit and the voltage rises to send the locomotive on its way.
>
> Jerry's station does not have the resistor based on the photo he posted, so I'm not sure if this would change the wiring hook up.
>
> I have wired the station as per Jerry's instructions but the station still is not working properly. The locomotive does not stop when the station is activated but continues to run. The voltage across the isolated section of track is 10 volts when the station is not activated and remains at 10 volts throughout the station cycle.
>
> I'm open to try anything to get this thing working again!
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58855 From: Dave Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: AF - HO Decals Update
We have started to post NEW American Flyer "HO" Decals to our web site for those of you that collect AF "HO". You can use the link below to get there.

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html

Thank you for your time.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1972 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 58856 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Harwood,
� The 24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511 and didn't meet the reserve.
Tom

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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 11:58 PM







 













I know, I'm still fanning the fire on this. Please check out below;



http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-24323- Bakers-Chocolate -Tank-Car_ W0QQitemZ1303595 91517QQcategoryZ 480QQcmdZViewIte mQQ_trksidZp4340 .m263QQ_trkparms Zalgo%3DSIC% 26its%3DI% 252BC%26itu% 3DUCI%252BIA% 252BUA%252BFICS% 252BUFI%252BDDSI C%26otn%3D10% 26ps%3D63% 26clkid%3D755266 4119937487983



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58857 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Doug,

You're fighting the good fight but I don't think (unfortunately) that most folk's will pay much or any attention. I try to 'snip' extra content when I respond but few folks seem to want to - they just want to hit 'Reply' and have at it. Maybe I am just too much of a 'neatnik' (HA! if you saw my work room, you would dispute that!). But if we can even get a few folks to try a bit harder, maybe that will be a good thing.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> Do you think we could all keep in mind the "etiquette" of limiting the
> quoting of prior emails in our postings?
>
> Some recent postings have a string of MANY unnecessary thread postings
> included.
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 58858 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
That has been on ebay many times with the same type of bid. No takers of course on the last auctions by this person.

I have purchased cars from him before, as he is good dealer.

Good for him if he gets the 2,5000 as that is the rare white ended tanker.

I see no problem with this at all.

If 2500 is too high, make him a offer, as it states.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323





I know, I'm still fanning the fire on this. Please check out below;

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-24323-Bakers-Chocolate-Tank-Car_W0QQitemZ130359591517QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7552664119937487983

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58859 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?
Hi Tom,

Yes, as it was only one other bidder.

Thanks, as I should be able to do better, as sadly, we will never know what was on his mind to bid this car up.

however, great for the owner, as my last rebidded was more of a "here it is in your face" attitude, LOL and thank goodness he bided again. I think the owner should give me a small % as I go him another 20 to 30 dollars with my last unrealistic and silly bid. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?



Hi Mike,
Car sold for $82. I believe you will do better than that.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:44 PM



Thanks Tom, as I look at ebay all the time too.

I am sure I will find one at York as this is a common car.

Thanks Again,

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:38 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

Hi Mike,

I'm on ebay all the time, if I see that 24543 crane, I'll email you. I've sold these in the past for $35.

Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 12:58 PM

Thanks Tom, as I need that particular number for a set I am rebuilding.

There is only one other person bidding on it, so I have no idea what his thinking is, box, maybe, but, still I would think it could be gotten for less than 82 with a box.

Maybe I should put a bid in again and see what happens,.LOL NOOOOOOOOO!

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

Hi Mike,

� I believe you are correct when you say the price on this crane is too high. Those who are bidding got their eye on the box. You can get a 944 cheaper than that. I put a watch on it. I'll let you know the selling price.

� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:37 PM

Tom,

So, it is a bid that is going out of hand then? Nothing special, as no, it is not the 944.

So, I will let it go, as another one will come along, in the same shape, as it rates a 2 in Bob's book.

Great for the owner.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

Hi Mike,

� I went into ebay to get a closer look at the crane. I thought it as a 944 in a 1957 box. Crane is a 24543. $40 was a good bid. As I said you know what you want and what you want to pay for it. The box is not worth $60. It looks like this is going to go over $100.

� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 3:52 PM

http://offer. ebay.com/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewBids& item=26054349281 4

Okay, here is a Crane Car that I was bidding on, that list in the Bubeck book for 40, as this has the book.

The condition is given as Excellant.

So, we have someone who wants this car badly, as I am done bidding on it, unless someone knows something that I do not know.

Soooo, it is all about supply and demand.

So, this is way above the prices in any guide and that is a good thing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58860 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Mike,
 
I think some folks just get caught up in the auction frenzy. Some sellers also list common items as rare to jack up prices for newbies. I've found from years of chasing model cars that stuff always comes around again and often at a better price. Patience and knowledge is key.
 
Bob


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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 9:17 PM


 



http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26054349281 4&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58861 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Hi Harwood,
� Theres one photo you don't have to send.  Email me off site seccia@....  I think I know who the seller is.
� Tom

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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 11:58 PM







 













I know, I'm still fanning the fire on this. Please check out below;



http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-24323- Bakers-Chocolate -Tank-Car_ W0QQitemZ1303595 91517QQcategoryZ 480QQcmdZViewIte mQQ_trksidZp4340 .m263QQ_trkparms Zalgo%3DSIC% 26its%3DI% 252BC%26itu% 3DUCI%252BIA% 252BUA%252BFICS% 252BUFI%252BDDSI C%26otn%3D10% 26ps%3D63% 26clkid%3D755266 4119937487983



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58862 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
Hi Harwood,
In addition to sending me the photos, I think it would be a good idea to post the photos to the group, so they can see what originals look like.  Someone in the group had a photo of a split frame 24320 Deep Rock.  I'll try and get the site for you so you can look at it.  I believe this is a fake.  If you look at the eyelets these appear to be pressed on roughly and there are scratches on the shell.  Dave at LBR has decals for both 24320 & 24321.  Thanks for going through all the trouble to respond to this topic.  You are the right guy to have a debate on the subject.
� Tom


--- On Mon, 2/1/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 11:23 PM







 











Tom,

I'm not saying that there were no fakes made of these cars out there, but honest to goodness originals exist of these split tank versions exist. As far as the value for the Deep Rock version on Ebay, if in E condition, a fair price would range from $475-550. I still think this car is rarer than the Pennsalt. Jack is going to send me pics of his two and I will foward to you along with pics of mine.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:13 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320



Hi Harwood,

I was not suggesting that you had fake cars in your collection. I was stating that these cars were reproduced and some people sold these as real piece. I believe you have a copy of Greenberg's Volume II. See page 77 on the 24320 Deep rock and 24323 Bakers Chocolate. Some of these cars such as the 625 Orange Shell, 24319 Penn Salt were regular reproductions. Once these got sold into circulation, some sellers sold these as originals and some buyers were screwed. Just because you or Jack have one of these cars in your collection, doesn't mean someone didn't make a fake. I've been to your house and I seen quite a few odd ball original items so I wouldn't doubt your word, but don't try and tell me that there are no fakes on the 24320 Deep Rock or the 24323 Bakers Chocolate Car. This question comes between 1960 and 1961. In 1960 there were no tank cars cataloged with split frames. The

part number for the split frame PA15D692 did exist in that year. The factory most likely made a few pre production models of tank cars with split frames with knuckle coupler trucks. The Gilbert factory most likely wanted to use up the rest of the the tank car bodies along with the solid knuckle couplers PA15B215. In 1961 Gilbert went to full production of split tank frames and bodies on all tank cars with Pikemaster trucks. This entire topic started with a 24320 Deep Rock. In the 1999 Greenberg Price Guide it lists a 24320 for $410 in Excellent condition, so putting the debate aside, what kind of price would you put on that car with solid knuckle couplers?

Tom



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From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How accurate is Greenbergs?- Deep Rock 24320

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 6:44 PM



Tom,



You have to be careful about calling these fakes. My 24330 Baker's



split tank came from an original home owner here in my area. He had owned it



from childhood. I have seen a number of these over the years and they are



not fakes. You cannot state that they never made split tank cars with



operating knuckle couplers, period!! I will bet my life on it. I and others have



had the chance over the years to go through tons of original Flyer and had



a chance most people don't get, to see numerous variations of rolling



stock, etc.



Harwood



P.S. Your are invited to view these and many other varations any time you



would like, I will even pay for your gas to come down.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58863 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Bruce,

I never said it was, lol, as my point was to those who think it is, not so all the time, due to who is biding and why at times.

I will find another some other day.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the result is




Mike,

No, Ebay is not always cheap, but the bidder's prospective level of ignorance is always suspect.

Bruce

From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:17 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260543492814&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58864 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
It's the law of large numbers I was talking about. I've seen things sell on ebay at a third of Greenberg up to three times Greenberg.  (And, of course, I've seen them not sell at all, even at low prices like the 971 somebody was trying to sell!)  On any given day, it depends on who's bidding and who's bidding against them.  A small number of ebay sales tells nothing about the value of an item.  Like Mike, I just wait for another day when the bidding gets too high.


--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the result is
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:12 AM







 











Mike,



No, Ebay is not always cheap, but the bidder's prospective level of ignorance is always suspect.



Bruce



From: michael and Linda Marmer

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:17 PM

To: S trains

Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is



http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26054349281 4&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123



The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL



I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.



There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.



But the good news, another one soon will come along.



So, ebay is not always cheap.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58865 From: John Sage Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: The result is
The selling price is what a "willing buyer" agrees to pay a "willing seller". 

Not very complicated.....and, regardless of what those outside the sale think, acceptable to both parties involved.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58866 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel parts dealer (have motors you need)
I think I have two of those, too, as Steve did a DCC job on my early AF by Lionel.

Make a offer if any one is in need of them, as they have the gear too. Work fine.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:18 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel parts dealer (have motors you need)



I have a few of the original Lionel (American Flyer) can motors from their
earlier ALCOs and GEEPS. They come with gear attached.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 02/01/2010 7:07:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
tim.benner@... writes:

Thanks to everyone for all of the responses! This group is incredible!

Now to answer the question, I am looking for new (can) motors and gears.

Thanks again!

Tim

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58867 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
That exactly what I said before, hit and miss.

It all depends on how many are into bidding for any one item.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the result is



It's the law of large numbers I was talking about. I've seen things sell on ebay at a third of Greenberg up to three times Greenberg. (And, of course, I've seen them not sell at all, even at low prices like the 971 somebody was trying to sell!) On any given day, it depends on who's bidding and who's bidding against them. A small number of ebay sales tells nothing about the value of an item. Like Mike, I just wait for another day when the bidding gets too high.

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the result is
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:12 AM



Mike,

No, Ebay is not always cheap, but the bidder's prospective level of ignorance is always suspect.

Bruce

From: michael and Linda Marmer

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:17 PM

To: S trains

Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is

http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26054349281 4&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58868 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many, since the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need to look at past post on the subject.

I don't see this being a big issue.

read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes though.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: zemouse2001
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette



Doug,

You're fighting the good fight but I don't think (unfortunately) that most folk's will pay much or any attention. I try to 'snip' extra content when I respond but few folks seem to want to - they just want to hit 'Reply' and have at it. Maybe I am just too much of a 'neatnik' (HA! if you saw my work room, you would dispute that!). But if we can even get a few folks to try a bit harder, maybe that will be a good thing.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> Do you think we could all keep in mind the "etiquette" of limiting the
> quoting of prior emails in our postings?
>
> Some recent postings have a string of MANY unnecessary thread postings
> included.
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58869 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Hi Bob,

There was no mention on the item as being rare, just a normal description of the item.

Again, I don't think it was a frenzy, he just wanted it badly for some reason and he might have a real good reason, too. I will say the car, looked really nice, with no marks anywhere, but still, not worth 82 or more. LOL

Yes, knowledge and Patience is key, as another one will come along.

My whole point of this was to show that ebay is not always so cheap all the time, as again, that is a good thing.

I have no complaints at all on him winning this.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the result is



Mike,

I think some folks just get caught up in the auction frenzy. Some sellers also list common items as rare to jack up prices for newbies. I've found from years of chasing model cars that stuff always comes around again and often at a better price. Patience and knowledge is key.

Bob

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 9:17 PM



http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26054349281 4&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58870 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
So it lives for another day on ebay sometime in the near or far distance future. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323



Harwood,
� The 24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511 and didn't meet the reserve.
Tom

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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 11:58 PM



I know, I'm still fanning the fire on this. Please check out below;

http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-24323- Bakers-Chocolate -Tank-Car_ W0QQitemZ1303595 91517QQcategoryZ 480QQcmdZViewIte mQQ_trksidZp4340 .m263QQ_trkparms Zalgo%3DSIC% 26its%3DI% 252BC%26itu% 3DUCI%252BIA% 252BUA%252BFICS% 252BUFI%252BDDSI C%26otn%3D10% 26ps%3D63% 26clkid%3D755266 4119937487983

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58871 From: Matthew Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: SLOW ATLANTIC?
Thanks to everyone that helped me with this. Nothing like getting the answer: what it almost certainly is, and all the other things it could possibly be!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> Check for a linkage screw catching a rod--brushes &/or springs, dirty pick
> up wheels, loose tire on driver, loose wheel on axel--
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
> In a message dated 1/17/2010 11:42:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mkperks@... writes:
>
> Any ideas for general troubleshooting on an Atlantic?
> My 302 ran like a champ around the tree for the last two months, but when
> I took it to my father's house where the permanent layout is, it was
> running slowly and a little bit jerky. My first thought was that the linkage was
> bent and was rubbing, but I tried bending it away and it didn't seem to
> help. What else can I do?
> Thanks to everyone of all their help.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58872 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Hi Mike,

The problem comes in for the folks who subscribe to the Daily Digest
format. In that case, the digest includes all messages. If we leave all
or most of the note in our replies, then the digest will contain many
copies of the same stuff with no good guidance as to where it is a
repeat and where it has been edited by the sender.

Some folks always delete everything and I cannot make sense of a reply
such as "Yes" or "I agree wholeheartedly with what you said". Others
leave the entire message chain in their reply. Still others may edit the
text of a multiple-part note and intersperse their remarks.

I hope it is clear to all of us that we should post our replies at the
top of the outgoing message and snip off as much of the previous message
as we can without destroying the context.

Bill (the ever-verbose in rainy Florida)

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:15 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette

I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many,
since the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need
to look at past post on the subject.

I don't see this being a big issue.

read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes
though.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 58873 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
I understand that those who get this list the why you want to might inconvience,sp, you, as you is in general, but because I choose to get in a differ way,you want me to please you and now you inconvience,sp, me and the others who get the way I do.

I don't have a solution, but maybe all get the list the same way, but then here we go again with something like do we make this list public or private.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette



Hi Mike,

The problem comes in for the folks who subscribe to the Daily Digest
format. In that case, the digest includes all messages. If we leave all
or most of the note in our replies, then the digest will contain many
copies of the same stuff with no good guidance as to where it is a
repeat and where it has been edited by the sender.

Some folks always delete everything and I cannot make sense of a reply
such as "Yes" or "I agree wholeheartedly with what you said". Others
leave the entire message chain in their reply. Still others may edit the
text of a multiple-part note and intersperse their remarks.

I hope it is clear to all of us that we should post our replies at the
top of the outgoing message and snip off as much of the previous message
as we can without destroying the context.

Bill (the ever-verbose in rainy Florida)

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:15 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette

I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many,
since the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need
to look at past post on the subject.

I don't see this being a big issue.

read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes
though.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58874 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Bill,

I understand more what this might be about.

However, then it is a problem for people like me, to hit reply and remember to hit select and delete, etc., more steps for me to take, as this is sort of a two way street now.

I understand, what you all are saying now, but now I have to go the extra step, which I can see will be a pain, and then to remember, etc.

I don't have a answer, as maybe those who switch over to getting emails as they come in, etc.

One wants to be pleased, but the other has to do a bit more, etc.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58875 From: Herbert Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
I am more peeved at people who do not repeat any of the previous posts, making you search through the whole list.
Herb Wasserman


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> The problem comes in for the folks who subscribe to the Daily Digest
> format. In that case, the digest includes all messages. If we leave all
> or most of the note in our replies, then the digest will contain many
> copies of the same stuff with no good guidance as to where it is a
> repeat and where it has been edited by the sender.
>
> Some folks always delete everything and I cannot make sense of a reply
> such as "Yes" or "I agree wholeheartedly with what you said". Others
> leave the entire message chain in their reply. Still others may edit the
> text of a multiple-part note and intersperse their remarks.
>
> I hope it is clear to all of us that we should post our replies at the
> top of the outgoing message and snip off as much of the previous message
> as we can without destroying the context.
>
> Bill (the ever-verbose in rainy Florida)
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:15 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette
>
> I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many,
> since the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need
> to look at past post on the subject.
>
> I don't see this being a big issue.
>
> read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes
> though.
>
> Mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58876 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
. . . . .I hope it is clear to all of us that we should post our replies at
the top of the outgoing message and snip off as much of the previous message
as we can. . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
---------Response-----------
Not clear to me. I think a statement or question comes first, then a
response or answer.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 58877 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Herb,

that was one of my points that I was going to write, as sometimes the message that comes through in reply to something else, you need that other message at times.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Herbert
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette



I am more peeved at people who do not repeat any of the previous posts, making you search through the whole list.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> The problem comes in for the folks who subscribe to the Daily Digest
> format. In that case, the digest includes all messages. If we leave all
> or most of the note in our replies, then the digest will contain many
> copies of the same stuff with no good guidance as to where it is a
> repeat and where it has been edited by the sender.
>
> Some folks always delete everything and I cannot make sense of a reply
> such as "Yes" or "I agree wholeheartedly with what you said". Others
> leave the entire message chain in their reply. Still others may edit the
> text of a multiple-part note and intersperse their remarks.
>
> I hope it is clear to all of us that we should post our replies at the
> top of the outgoing message and snip off as much of the previous message
> as we can without destroying the context.
>
> Bill (the ever-verbose in rainy Florida)
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:15 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette
>
> I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many,
> since the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need
> to look at past post on the subject.
>
> I don't see this being a big issue.
>
> read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes
> though.
>
> Mike
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58878 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
I really butchered that email as I am doing 50 million things at one time, as if I have the time myself to delete messages to please a few.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58879 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: 24549 Floodlight car
Well, I lost out on the crane car, but I got the Floodlight car needed for 28 as that includes the postage, as that is great.

I am building the 1958 Action Diesel set, 20144, as now I just need two more cars to go with it.

I have rebuilt many expensive sets as now I am working on sets with common pieces and they are just as hard to find as the rare pieces. LOL

Split tanks, I don't care, LOL, I need a cheap crane car. Just kidding.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58880 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
>
> Not clear to me. I think a statement or question comes first, then a
> response or answer.
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
>


I agree. Although ... I think I have done it both ways.
I don't like scrolling to FIND the answer however.

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58881 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
I rewrote my email, as I really butchered the original one badly.

Mike

I understand that those who get this list the way you want it might be a inconvience, sp, to you, as you is in general, but because I choose to get it in a different way, you want me to please you and now you inconvience, sp, me and the others who get the way I do.

I don't have a solution, but maybe we all should get the list the same way for everyone, but then, we have another situation like having the list public or private again.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette



I understand that those who get this list the why you want to might inconvience,sp, you, as you is in general, but because I choose to get in a differ way,you want me to please you and now you inconvience,sp, me and the others who get the way I do.

I don't have a solution, but maybe all get the list the same way, but then here we go again with something like do we make this list public or private.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette

Hi Mike,

The problem comes in for the folks who subscribe to the Daily Digest
format. In that case, the digest includes all messages. If we leave all
or most of the note in our replies, then the digest will contain many
copies of the same stuff with no good guidance as to where it is a
repeat and where it has been edited by the sender.

Some folks always delete everything and I cannot make sense of a reply
such as "Yes" or "I agree wholeheartedly with what you said". Others
leave the entire message chain in their reply. Still others may edit the
text of a multiple-part note and intersperse their remarks.

I hope it is clear to all of us that we should post our replies at the
top of the outgoing message and snip off as much of the previous message
as we can without destroying the context.

Bill (the ever-verbose in rainy Florida)

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:15 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette

I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many,
since the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need
to look at past post on the subject.

I don't see this being a big issue.

read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes
though.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58882 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
> I don't like scrolling to FIND the answer however.
>
> Rick.


Meaning .... I don't like to scroll down a bunch to find the answer!

Rick

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58883 From: John Metzger Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF - HO Decals Update
look at ebay auction #260547215217  for  PEPSICOLA american flyer water decal




________________________________
From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 6:57:10 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF - HO Decals Update

 
We have started to post NEW American Flyer "HO" Decals to our web site for those of you that collect AF "HO". You can use the link below to get there.

http://www.lbrenter prisesllc. com/page05. html

Thank you for your time.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1972 (please leave message)
dave@lbrenterprises llc.com
lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com
www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58884 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: computer
I receive a email from someone in private today, that they did not like my emails on what happen to my computer nor did he like my stand on the email downloads that we get in different ways and how we respond back to topics.

There is no right or wrong answer on the way we get emails and what we should do to please others, as I understand their concerns, but they should understand others concerns on it too. I did not think it would that is how he put it.

This person said I should leave the list, maybe, as that was a terrible thing to say to someone also.

This is not the first time I have gotten a email like this in private from someone. It is hurtful, as they do not think how the person getting the email will make them feel. I believe if you have a issue with something that was written by anyone, please contact the moderators first, as this really hurts.

I will try doing what some would like to see done with responding to emails, but I can not guarantee I will do it everytime.

As for the computer, I wrote about it with updates on what I thought might of cause the virus, was to show concern for others who might fall for what I fell for. It was not about me, it was about letting the group know what could happen. My little problem with the computer could of cost me all my financial records that I have online with my financial websites, let alone the 89 dollars it cost to get it fixed, well worth the cost, for my little lesson in trusting something that pops up. I hope MY experience helped someone to be aware of this for future reference.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58885 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: 24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511
In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:04:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:

24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511


Tom,
His reserve was probably set at $600, like I said, $475 - 550 is a
fair price for it.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58886 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Talking Station Resolved
Hi All,

I finally have the talking station working. I press the button and the mechanism starts. The locomotive pulls into the station and stops. The record plays and the locomotive pulls away and goes back up to speed. All automatic - just push one button to make it all happen.

So what was the problem? There were actually two problems. One is easy to explain - the other not so easy.

First I was measuring the voltage across the track and it was not dropping. After a long discussion at work today the little light bulb went off. The resistor drops the current - not the voltage! So all of the voltage chasing was for naught and only added confusion to the troubleshooting effort.

The second was the "correct" wiring for my station is different from all of the suggestions I received. Here is the wiring that works:

WHITE - to BASE post.

RED - to isolated track section (BASE side of track).

YELLOW - to constant voltage post.

BLACK from station - to BASE post.

GREEN - to button.

BLACK from button - to BASE post.

VARIABLE post is through the non-isolated track.

I can't guaranty this will work for every talking station, but it works for mine and all of the wiring appears to be original.

I'll post a video in the next couple of days so everyone can see and hear it in action!

BG1 - (Chemical engineer - definately not an electrical engineer!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 58887 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Rance V.
Rance V. is back in the US from Norway and he came by my house for a visit as I showed him the progress on the layout.

This was his third visit to my home.

Rance used to live a few miles away from me, for 16 years before I knew of him! LOL

It was good to see him again and I hope he comes back soon.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58888 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Mike,
I don't know how to contact you "off list", but I have a 24561that I will sell. This is the same as the 24522 except with Pikemaster couplers.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S trains
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260543492814&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58889 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Lead Question On Clear Packs
This question is for those collectors among us and Tom. Did any "Pike
Master" cars ever come in Clear Packs?

And for those among you that are new to AF collecting, a Clear Pack is
one way that Gilbert boxed their trains for selling. They were made of
clear hard plastic and were rectangular with square black plastic caps that
fit snugly over each end. The car name and number were stamped on both black
end caps.
Over the last year or so other collectors including myself have been
debating on how many "S" ga. items of rolling stock came in these Clear
Packs. The number is still up in the air. Jack Fazenbaker and I hope to get
these into the Greenberg pocket guide in the future.
The value for a car in a Clear Pack is substantially high than that
of a car sold in a regular red/white box or without a box at all.
If any one is interested, we have a current list of cars that came in
clear packs. This list has been established over the years from
accumulating information from various collectors around the country. From time to
time you will see these on eBay for sale.
If anyone has any new information on these Clear Packs, please let us
know.
And, by the way, Gilbert HO items also came in these Clear Packs including
a steam engine. But thats another future project for someone to work on.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58890 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Fw: backstop
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/recent/1661314526/view

Mystery write strikes again as story goes with the above picture.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From:
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: backstop


GIANT CAT LEAPS BASEBALL FACILITY IN A SINGLE BOUND

Dingburg, MD (Reuters) -

Zoologists from the University of Maryland were rushed to the scene after four terrified construction workers were attacked by a 2,500 pound feral cat. The employees were attempting to install a backstop in S Helper Service Stadium, home of the quadruple-a Pinheads of the Southern Rural Semi-Professional League.

Eyewitness said the grey-and-white cat ran into the stadium at 25 miles per hour and cleared the 12-foot high steel frame with several feet to spare. It touched the ground briefly at the pitcher's mound, then galloped into center field and bounded across the Dink & Kitty Railroad tracks to Chavez Produce.





"There's technically no limit to how large Felix domesticus can grow", explained Carolinska Katzenjammer of U-MD. "Lots of well-meaning people will leave dishes of food on their back porches, out of sympathy for stray cats that may be starving. This kitty must have visited every porch in three counties, and he's been doing it pretty regularly."


Katzenjammer has recommended legislation at the state level that would prohibit the feeding of unlicensed animals.

"At some point, these superkitties forget that they were domestic pets, and they begin to think and behave like predators. These construction workers are just lucky the cat wasn't hungry, otherwise they could have been eaten for dinner."

Mosquito Rodriguez, who was lurking in a cornfield at the time of the incident, hurried to Sindbad's after the cat rushed past. Mr. Rodriguez was unable to comment, due to delirium tremens.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58891 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
Hi Pat,

Actually it is pretty easy to contact someone on the list in private, as many have done it before.

Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Just kidding.

All you have to do, it works with outlook express, is highlight the email message line, and right click and you will get a list of things, as add sender to your contact list is one or click properties and you can get the email address there.

Thank you very much for your kind offer, that is very nice of you to do that. However, I am building a set with that item number for a set from 1958 and the cars in that set are knuckle.

Otherwise, I would take you up on that your offer.

Thanks again Pat, as I think you know I am a big fan of your state, Maine, as we go to Acadia in October every year. And I have run into AF trains at places many times.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The Reardon's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the result is



Mike,
I don't know how to contact you "off list", but I have a 24561that I will sell. This is the same as the 24522 except with Pikemaster couplers.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S trains
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] And the result is

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260543492814&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

The crane on ebay I needed has ended and I did not partake in anymore over bidding for this item. LOL

I have no idea why, as there was only me and another person bidding on this, as the owner did well and that is great.

There is a 944 with one day left, at 26. but it does not go with the set I am building.

But the good news, another one soon will come along.

So, ebay is not always cheap.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58892 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: 24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511
Sometimes you got to wonder if he really wanted to sell the car or to see how much he can get for it.
� Tom

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:14 PM







 











In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:04:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes:



24320 Deep Rock on Ebay went to $511



Tom,

His reserve was probably set at $600, like I said, $475 - 550 is a

fair price for it.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58893 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Hi Harwood,
In 1971 I bought two 23743 Maintenance Cars, a 24316 Mobilgas, a 24329 Hooker, and a 24569 Crane car.  The two Maintenance cars came is clear packs, the other cars are came in red & white boxes with clear windows to see the cars inside. Everything was new in the box. The Maintenance car was cataloged from 1960 to 1964.  All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars.  The guy who knows the clear pack info is Gary Clark.  If anyone had a clear pack with a Pikemaster car it would be him.  One thing to remember is there are pieces of rolling stock such as a Pig Palace which came knuckle and Pikemaster.  There was some talk about reproducing the clear packs.  I don't know anyone who made these.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jackandmaryfaze@...
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:57 PM







 









This question is for those collectors among us and Tom. Did any "Pike

Master" cars ever come in Clear Packs?



And for those among you that are new to AF collecting, a Clear Pack is

one way that Gilbert boxed their trains for selling. They were made of

clear hard plastic and were rectangular with square black plastic caps that

fit snugly over each end. The car name and number were stamped on both black

end caps.

Over the last year or so other collectors including myself have been

debating on how many "S" ga. items of rolling stock came in these Clear

Packs. The number is still up in the air. Jack Fazenbaker and I hope to get

these into the Greenberg pocket guide in the future.

The value for a car in a Clear Pack is substantially high than that

of a car sold in a regular red/white box or without a box at all.

If any one is interested, we have a current list of cars that came in

clear packs. This list has been established over the years from

accumulating information from various collectors around the country. From time to

time you will see these on eBay for sale.

If anyone has any new information on these Clear Packs, please let us

know.

And, by the way, Gilbert HO items also came in these Clear Packs including

a steam engine. But thats another future project for someone to work on.



Harwood





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58894 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: computer
Some people should get up every day and thank God that breathing is a reflex. enuff said

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] computer
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 8:07 PM


 



I receive a email from someone in private today, that they did not like my emails on what happen to my computer nor did he like my stand on the email downloads that we get in different ways and how we respond back to topics.

There is no right or wrong answer on the way we get emails and what we should do to please others, as I understand their concerns, but they should understand others concerns on it too. I did not think it would that is how he put it.

This person said I should leave the list, maybe, as that was a terrible thing to say to someone also.

This is not the first time I have gotten a email like this in private from someone. It is hurtful, as they do not think how the person getting the email will make them feel. I believe if you have a issue with something that was written by anyone, please contact the moderators first, as this really hurts.

I will try doing what some would like to see done with responding to emails, but I can not guarantee I will do it everytime.

As for the computer, I wrote about it with updates on what I thought might of cause the virus, was to show concern for others who might fall for what I fell for. It was not about me, it was about letting the group know what could happen. My little problem with the computer could of cost me all my financial records that I have online with my financial websites, let alone the 89 dollars it cost to get it fixed, well worth the cost, for my little lesson in trusting something that pops up. I hope MY experience helped someone to be aware of this for future reference.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58895 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/2/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Resolved
BG1,

First, I am glad you were able to get the station working again!

However, as Tim Benner mentioned in his post, the circuit controlling the
isolated section of track is itself an isolated and separate circuit. That
is, it is not normally onnected to any any other parts of the wiring or to
the case of the station. If this were actually the case, you should be able
to freely exchange the connections of the red and white wires without it
making any difference to the operation of the station. Apparently, though,
you have had to reverse the normal connections of these two wires to make
the station work.

Since you are using this switch to control the isolated section of track
that is connected to the base side of the transformer, I suspect that you
may have another problem (possibly a short circuit from one of the wires to
the metal shell of the station). At this time it is not a big deal, because
the station is working and there is no need to mess with it any further.
However, if you ever want to use the red/white wire cam switch to control
the other (hot) side of the track, you will first have to isolate and
correct this problem.

Jerry Feldman


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Talking Station Resolved



Hi All,

I finally have the talking station working. I press the button and the
mechanism starts. The locomotive pulls into the station and stops. The
record plays and the locomotive pulls away and goes back up to speed. All
automatic - just push one button to make it all happen.

So what was the problem? There were actually two problems. One is easy to
explain - the other not so easy.

First I was measuring the voltage across the track and it was not
dropping. After a long discussion at work today the little light bulb went
off. The resistor drops the current - not the voltage! So all of the voltage
chasing was for naught and only added confusion to the troubleshooting
effort.

The second was the "correct" wiring for my station is different from all
of the suggestions I received. Here is the wiring that works:

WHITE - to BASE post.

RED - to isolated track section (BASE side of track).

YELLOW - to constant voltage post.

BLACK from station - to BASE post.

GREEN - to button.

BLACK from button - to BASE post.

VARIABLE post is through the non-isolated track.

I can't guaranty this will work for every talking station, but it works
for mine and all of the wiring appears to be original.

I'll post a video in the next couple of days so everyone can see and hear
it in action!

BG1 - (Chemical engineer - definately not an electrical engineer!)






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58896 From: George Cohn Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: And the result is
michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> Actually it is pretty easy to contact someone on the list in private, as
> many have done it before.
>
> Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Just kidding.
>
> All you have to do, it works with outlook express, is highlight the
> email message line, and right click and you will get a list of things,
> as add sender to your contact list is one or click properties and you
> can get the email address there.

Or if you use a *decent* e-mail client like Thunderbird, all you have to
do is right click on the "From" address and select copy e-mail address.
Then you can paste it into your new message.

BTW, I teach Windows Server 2008, Windows Operating Systems and Windows
Server security so don't jump on me for bashing Microsoft.

Real men don't let friends use Outlook for email. Can't help you if you
use the forums interface. ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 58897 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
"All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars. "

Hi Tom,
To quote you above, then the 24323 Bakers Chocolate tank car (white ends) that came in a Kleer Pac must have operating knuckle couplers?
All of the 24323s that came in Kleer Pacs were split tank/frame (type III) frames with die-cast trucks and operating knuckle couplers. This particular variation was never produced with Pike Master trucks.

Harwood







-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs




Hi Harwood,
In 1971 I bought two 23743 Maintenance Cars, a 24316 Mobilgas, a 24329 Hooker, and a 24569 Crane car. The two Maintenance cars came is clear packs, the other cars are came in red & white boxes with clear windows to see the cars inside. Everything was new in the box. The Maintenance car was cataloged from 1960 to 1964. All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars. The guy who knows the clear pack info is Gary Clark. If anyone had a clear pack with a Pikemaster car it would be him. One thing to remember is there are pieces of rolling stock such as a Pig Palace which came knuckle and Pikemaster. There was some talk about reproducing the clear packs. I don't know anyone who made these.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jackandmaryfaze@...
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:57 PM



This question is for those collectors among us and Tom. Did any "Pike

Master" cars ever come in Clear Packs?

And for those among you that are new to AF collecting, a Clear Pack is

one way that Gilbert boxed their trains for selling. They were made of

clear hard plastic and were rectangular with square black plastic caps that

fit snugly over each end. The car name and number were stamped on both black

end caps.

Over the last year or so other collectors including myself have been

debating on how many "S" ga. items of rolling stock came in these Clear

Packs. The number is still up in the air. Jack Fazenbaker and I hope to get

these into the Greenberg pocket guide in the future.

The value for a car in a Clear Pack is substantially high than that

of a car sold in a regular red/white box or without a box at all.

If any one is interested, we have a current list of cars that came in

clear packs. This list has been established over the years from

accumulating information from various collectors around the country. From time to

time you will see these on eBay for sale.

If anyone has any new information on these Clear Packs, please let us

know.

And, by the way, Gilbert HO items also came in these Clear Packs including

a steam engine. But thats another future project for someone to work on.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58898 From: navmedguy Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Brass or Nickel Silver
I'm trying to decide between the American models brass flex track and the SHS nickel silver. AM says their track """is Solid, non-corrosive brass rail.."" and "" This rail has twice the electrical conductivity of nickel silver. Easy to bend and work with.""

I've read that brass track in general gets dirty / corrodes faster.

What say ye S-gauge community? AM brass track vs SHS nickel silver track...

thanks
dr y
Group: S-Trains Message: 58899 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Hi Mike,
For a car that lists as NRS, $2500.00 is cheap.  Look at the condition.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:33 AM







 









That has been on ebay many times with the same type of bid. No takers of course on the last auctions by this person.



I have purchased cars from him before, as he is good dealer.



Good for him if he gets the 2,5000 as that is the rare white ended tanker.



I see no problem with this at all.



If 2500 is too high, make him a offer, as it states.



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: HOwingsiii@aol. com

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:58 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323



I know, I'm still fanning the fire on this. Please check out below;



http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-24323- Bakers-Chocolate -Tank-Car_ W0QQitemZ1303595 91517QQcategoryZ 480QQcmdZViewIte mQQ_trksidZp4340 .m263QQ_trkparms Zalgo%3DSIC% 26its%3DI% 252BC%26itu% 3DUCI%252BIA% 252BUA%252BFICS% 252BUFI%252BDDSI C%26otn%3D10% 26ps%3D63% 26clkid%3D755266 4119937487983



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58900 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
I must add and correct myself. These are know as "Kleer Pacs" in the collecting field not "Clear Pack"/ Spelling and a senior moment.
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs




Hi Harwood,
In 1971 I bought two 23743 Maintenance Cars, a 24316 Mobilgas, a 24329 Hooker, and a 24569 Crane car. The two Maintenance cars came is clear packs, the other cars are came in red & white boxes with clear windows to see the cars inside. Everything was new in the box. The Maintenance car was cataloged from 1960 to 1964. All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars. The guy who knows the clear pack info is Gary Clark. If anyone had a clear pack with a Pikemaster car it would be him. One thing to remember is there are pieces of rolling stock such as a Pig Palace which came knuckle and Pikemaster. There was some talk about reproducing the clear packs. I don't know anyone who made these.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jackandmaryfaze@...
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:57 PM



This question is for those collectors among us and Tom. Did any "Pike

Master" cars ever come in Clear Packs?

And for those among you that are new to AF collecting, a Clear Pack is

one way that Gilbert boxed their trains for selling. They were made of

clear hard plastic and were rectangular with square black plastic caps that

fit snugly over each end. The car name and number were stamped on both black

end caps.

Over the last year or so other collectors including myself have been

debating on how many "S" ga. items of rolling stock came in these Clear

Packs. The number is still up in the air. Jack Fazenbaker and I hope to get

these into the Greenberg pocket guide in the future.

The value for a car in a Clear Pack is substantially high than that

of a car sold in a regular red/white box or without a box at all.

If any one is interested, we have a current list of cars that came in

clear packs. This list has been established over the years from

accumulating information from various collectors around the country. From time to

time you will see these on eBay for sale.

If anyone has any new information on these Clear Packs, please let us

know.

And, by the way, Gilbert HO items also came in these Clear Packs including

a steam engine. But thats another future project for someone to work on.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58901 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Fannib the fire - 24323
Hi Tom,

It is a very nice looking car and I wish had the 2500 for it. O:)!

Another day, perhaps.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323



Hi Mike,
For a car that lists as NRS, $2500.00 is cheap. Look at the condition.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:33 AM



That has been on ebay many times with the same type of bid. No takers of course on the last auctions by this person.

I have purchased cars from him before, as he is good dealer.

Good for him if he gets the 2,5000 as that is the rare white ended tanker.

I see no problem with this at all.

If 2500 is too high, make him a offer, as it states.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: HOwingsiii@aol. com

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:58 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Fannib the fire - 24323

I know, I'm still fanning the fire on this. Please check out below;

http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-24323- Bakers-Chocolate -Tank-Car_ W0QQitemZ1303595 91517QQcategoryZ 480QQcmdZViewIte mQQ_trksidZp4340 .m263QQ_trkparms Zalgo%3DSIC% 26its%3DI% 252BC%26itu% 3DUCI%252BIA% 252BUA%252BFICS% 252BUFI%252BDDSI C%26otn%3D10% 26ps%3D63% 26clkid%3D755266 4119937487983

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58902 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
I have been using AM track for 16 years and never had any corrosion issues.
It stays as clean as any other track.

You will spend more time cleaning wheels than cleaning track. It gets the
occasional usual gunk here and there as will any track,

I believe it is an alloy and not pure brass.

Carl



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Brass or Nickel Silver



I'm trying to decide between the American models brass flex track and the
SHS nickel silver. AM says their track """is Solid, non-corrosive brass
rail.."" and "" This rail has twice the electrical conductivity of nickel
silver. Easy to bend and work with.""

I've read that brass track in general gets dirty / corrodes faster.

What say ye S-gauge community? AM brass track vs SHS nickel silver
track...

thanks
dr y






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Group: S-Trains Message: 58903 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Hi Harwood,
� Since the 24323 Bakers was available in 1960 and in very very few numbers with a split frame, it should have come in a Kleer pack.  I wouldn't say all 24323 Bakers in Kleer packs were split frames.  The solid tanks would also be in the Kleer Packs.  You bring up a very interesting subject on these Kleer packs.  I would assume you have some these in your collection.  This is a great topic for collectors.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 11:53 PM







 













"All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars. "



Hi Tom,

To quote you above, then the 24323 Bakers Chocolate tank car (white ends) that came in a Kleer Pac must have operating knuckle couplers?

All of the 24323s that came in Kleer Pacs were split tank/frame (type III) frames with die-cast trucks and operating knuckle couplers. This particular variation was never produced with Pike Master trucks.



Harwood



-----Original Message-----

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs



Hi Harwood,

In 1971 I bought two 23743 Maintenance Cars, a 24316 Mobilgas, a 24329 Hooker, and a 24569 Crane car. The two Maintenance cars came is clear packs, the other cars are came in red & white boxes with clear windows to see the cars inside. Everything was new in the box. The Maintenance car was cataloged from 1960 to 1964. All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars. The guy who knows the clear pack info is Gary Clark. If anyone had a clear pack with a Pikemaster car it would be him. One thing to remember is there are pieces of rolling stock such as a Pig Palace which came knuckle and Pikemaster. There was some talk about reproducing the clear packs. I don't know anyone who made these.

Tom Seccia



--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com> wrote:



From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Cc: jackandmaryfaze@ aol.com

Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:57 PM



This question is for those collectors among us and Tom. Did any "Pike



Master" cars ever come in Clear Packs?



And for those among you that are new to AF collecting, a Clear Pack is



one way that Gilbert boxed their trains for selling. They were made of



clear hard plastic and were rectangular with square black plastic caps that



fit snugly over each end. The car name and number were stamped on both black



end caps.



Over the last year or so other collectors including myself have been



debating on how many "S" ga. items of rolling stock came in these Clear



Packs. The number is still up in the air. Jack Fazenbaker and I hope to get



these into the Greenberg pocket guide in the future.



The value for a car in a Clear Pack is substantially high than that



of a car sold in a regular red/white box or without a box at all.



If any one is interested, we have a current list of cars that came in



clear packs. This list has been established over the years from



accumulating information from various collectors around the country. From time to



time you will see these on eBay for sale.



If anyone has any new information on these Clear Packs, please let us



know.



And, by the way, Gilbert HO items also came in these Clear Packs including



a steam engine. But thats another future project for someone to work on.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58904 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
You are correct.  I have those moments too.
         Tom

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 11:25 PM







 











I must add and correct myself. These are know as "Kleer Pacs" in the collecting field not "Clear Pack"/ Spelling and a senior moment.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs



Hi Harwood,

In 1971 I bought two 23743 Maintenance Cars, a 24316 Mobilgas, a 24329 Hooker, and a 24569 Crane car. The two Maintenance cars came is clear packs, the other cars are came in red & white boxes with clear windows to see the cars inside. Everything was new in the box. The Maintenance car was cataloged from 1960 to 1964. All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars. The guy who knows the clear pack info is Gary Clark. If anyone had a clear pack with a Pikemaster car it would be him. One thing to remember is there are pieces of rolling stock such as a Pig Palace which came knuckle and Pikemaster. There was some talk about reproducing the clear packs. I don't know anyone who made these.

Tom Seccia



--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com> wrote:



From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Cc: jackandmaryfaze@ aol.com

Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:57 PM



This question is for those collectors among us and Tom. Did any "Pike



Master" cars ever come in Clear Packs?



And for those among you that are new to AF collecting, a Clear Pack is



one way that Gilbert boxed their trains for selling. They were made of



clear hard plastic and were rectangular with square black plastic caps that



fit snugly over each end. The car name and number were stamped on both black



end caps.



Over the last year or so other collectors including myself have been



debating on how many "S" ga. items of rolling stock came in these Clear



Packs. The number is still up in the air. Jack Fazenbaker and I hope to get



these into the Greenberg pocket guide in the future.



The value for a car in a Clear Pack is substantially high than that



of a car sold in a regular red/white box or without a box at all.



If any one is interested, we have a current list of cars that came in



clear packs. This list has been established over the years from



accumulating information from various collectors around the country. From time to



time you will see these on eBay for sale.



If anyone has any new information on these Clear Packs, please let us



know.



And, by the way, Gilbert HO items also came in these Clear Packs including



a steam engine. But thats another future project for someone to work on.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58905 From: sgaugian Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Can't speak for AM track, but can for SHS. I use S-Trax and like it.
Looks good. Works well and stays clean, or as clean as track can be
expected to. The less plastic wheel use the longer the cleaner. Easier
to clean when gunk spots occur than ACG AF. No corrosion so far.
Supposedly can use scale and hi-rail wheel sets with it - - haven't
tried scale yet.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58906 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
I love the SHS flex track. It is not only easy to
form into a curve, but easy to change the curve
and straighten again. It is wonderful to work with.

I have used AM flex track in the past and it
works fine and looks good. I have nothing bad to
say about it. I just think that the SHS track is
the next generation, and is the best I've seen or used.

Bill

At 12:48 AM 2/3/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>I'm trying to decide between the American models
>brass flex track and the SHS nickel silver. AM
>says their track """is Solid, non-corrosive
>brass rail.."" and "" This rail has twice the
>electrical conductivity of nickel silver. Easy to bend and work with.""
>
>I've read that brass track in general gets dirty / corrodes faster.
>
>What say ye S-gauge community? AM brass track vs SHS nickel silver track...
>
>thanks
>dr y
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58907 From: Theodore Weiler Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
We use the AM track on one of the mains of our club layout.  If you use it regularly, you should not have a problem.  There is very little corrosion if any and it sits in a warehouse for months at a time.  Just a little cleaning and we can run all weekend.  For modules it is great and most people don't realize it is too big to be scale and no problems with either the old or new Flyer.  The flex is a little harder to bend.

The old brass track such as the Bob Peare stuff did corrode.

Ted Weiler
Weatherford, TX




________________________________
From: navmedguy <navmedguy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:48:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Brass or Nickel Silver

I'm trying to decide between the American models brass flex track and the SHS nickel silver.  AM says their track """is Solid, non-corrosive brass rail.."" and "" This rail has twice the electrical conductivity of nickel silver. Easy to bend and work with.""

I've read that brass track in general gets dirty / corrodes faster.

What say ye S-gauge community?  AM brass track vs SHS nickel silver track...

thanks
dr y




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58908 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
It would be interesting to make that list into a matrix showing, for each catalog number, each kind of packaging it was delivered in.  I'd love to add your list to TheGilbertGallery.org when I get it converted to the new server.


--- On Tue, 2/2/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lead Question On Clear Packs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jackandmaryfaze@...
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 4:57 PM







 









This question is for those collectors among us and Tom. Did any "Pike

Master" cars ever come in Clear Packs?



And for those among you that are new to AF collecting, a Clear Pack is

one way that Gilbert boxed their trains for selling. They were made of

clear hard plastic and were rectangular with square black plastic caps that

fit snugly over each end. The car name and number were stamped on both black

end caps.

Over the last year or so other collectors including myself have been

debating on how many "S" ga. items of rolling stock came in these Clear

Packs. The number is still up in the air. Jack Fazenbaker and I hope to get

these into the Greenberg pocket guide in the future.

The value for a car in a Clear Pack is substantially high than that

of a car sold in a regular red/white box or without a box at all.

If any one is interested, we have a current list of cars that came in

clear packs. This list has been established over the years from

accumulating information from various collectors around the country. From time to

time you will see these on eBay for sale.

If anyone has any new information on these Clear Packs, please let us

know.

And, by the way, Gilbert HO items also came in these Clear Packs including

a steam engine. But thats another future project for someone to work on.



Harwood





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58909 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: PRR Freaks-This Budd's For You...
For sale. One highly unusual set of Am. Models' Pennsylvania RR Budd Cars. These cars are finished in Am. Models' three-step chroming process, a finish that is no longer offered for PRR by Am. Models. The cars include #1102 Baggage/RPO Combine, #4002 Coach, #1155 Diner and #1126 OBS/Lounge, all with fully-lighted interiors. Front and rear, all four cars are outfitted with body-mounted Kadee 802s with, inexplicably, only six of the eight original AM talgo-mount couplers in the box. Wheel sets are flanged for scale operation so these, as configured, will probably not negotiate AF switches. Test run only. Beautiful to behold in a night scene with light streaming through the windows while street lights and RR signal lights reflect off the gorgeous chrome exterior. $250 including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Off-list responses only. On-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff
cujoacat@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58910 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Fw: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Docksider
Guys and Gal.... I am in Montana and was not paying attention to e-bay... DUH... I have seen this set go for much MORE!!!!!! Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58911 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Brass or Nickel Silver
They are both excellent. The SHS is more flexible. It's lower profile can
be ticklish
to deep flange wheels. Scale wheels will roll on both of them. Keeping
clean is no
issue on either. I run my track cleaning car around it about once every
two weeks
for a few laps and all is well. I have AM because I had it before SHS came
out with trackage.
The AM electrical conductivity is awesome. If you want ease of
construction, then SHS
is the best for you because of it's flexibility. AM is a bit more rugged
and looks more real
as to color.
You won't go wrong with either.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58912 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: For Sale GG1 which is a bit of S gauge history.
FOR SALE

I have GG1 which is a bit of S gauge history. $ 200 shipping not
included. It is painted PRR tuscan paint with solid gold stripe,
number 4803.

The GG1 is compatible with American Flyer. I was told these were hand
made by a Mr A. D. Imfeld, they were advertised in
S gaugian in the mid 1980's. The original price was about $290. It was
also the first GG1 ever offered in S Gauge! It is noisy,
but a good performer. It will pull anything put behind it. Compared to
the American Models GG1 it is crude -- It has a very thick
shell and the details are exaggerated. Mine has one large can motor and
I added a bridge rectifier circuit so it would run on an
AF Transformer. The main drawback is the lack of scale detail and it is
a little trying to get all those wheels aligned on the track.
Once on the rails, it stayed on the rails. If you are looking for a very
powerful, 'tinplate' GG1 and a bit of S gauge history, this is it.
It is 14 inches long.1 3/4 wide and 2 3/4 tall. Buyer to pay shipping.

Please email me direct. Ican send pictures as well. Thanks for your
interest in this item

Al
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58913 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
Bob,
I owned this exact set that sold on ebay. I recognized it by the
places on the top where the tape pulled off some of the color. I emailed him
and found out that he was the same guy I sold it to a couple of years ago at
York. At that time I think I sold it to him for $850.

Harwood
P.S.
I brought this set and the other set I still have to The Gilbert get
together about five years ago. Barb has some photos of these.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58914 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: TMCC for conventional locos
I am about ready to take the plunge so can I ask the TMCC experts one more question?

To control conventional engines with TMCC requires:

a power supply like a 30B
Cab 1 (part# 12868)
Command Base (part# 12911)
Powermaster (part# 24130)
Power adaptor cable (part# 12893)

Right? What about a cable between the Command Base and the Powermaster?

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 58915 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/3/2010
Subject: Photos of my models
This guy is incredible! Not S scale, but definitely A-1+++ modeling and great ideas for settin scenes. Check it out.

Pat, in Maine
http://www.flickr.com:80/photos/24796741@N05/sets/72157604247242338/show/with/2346008881/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58916 From: jaay_st Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Repairing truck attachment?
Good morning,
I did a quick search and cannot find any info on repairing the truck attachment. The rivets are really loose and the truck has a lot of angular movement.
can the rivet be replaced? Is there a special tool needed? Are there any instructions out there?
Thanks
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 58917 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Re: Lead Question On Clear Packs
Posted by: "HOwingsiii@..." HOwingsiii@...
Wed Feb 3, 2010 3:49 am (PST)
"All of the clear packs I ever seen were knuckle coupler cars. "

###################################################

The only Kleer Pak that I have is a 25057 TNT Car and it has knuckle coupler trucks.

Joe
 Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 58918 From: sgaugian Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
Can't speak to Powermasters, but with 30Bs for power, I use a TPC400 for
each loop. Lionel site I believe has some explanations, but this site
has some good interactive tutorials also - - TMCC Interactive Tutorials
<http://www.coilcouplers.com/tmc/tmc.html>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58919 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Brass or Nickel Silver
Don't forget about Classic Trains "American S Gauge" track. It is a nickel silver alloy, comes in 5' flex track sections as well as sectional straights and a multitude of sectional curve radii.

My layout has been operating for 6 years and I have NEVER cleaned this track. Conducts great every time!

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58920 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
I too, use American S Gauge Track by www.classictrains.com as Doug Peck is one of the dealers for this track. They do not sell direct.

Trains run great on it, S Helper, LIonel AF Diesel and AF Hudson, all on DCC, as the AF is converted over.

There, I remember to clear out the message below for those on digest.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58921 From: canambob91710k Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: 1 down, 3 to go
About a month ago, at the suggestion of members of this group, I wrote Mr. Matt Ashba at Lionel concerning problems with 4 of my Flyonel engines. In return I got absolutely no response...none, zip, zero, nada. Thanks Matt. I decided to see what I could do to remedy my issues myself. The first engine I tackled is a Santa Fe docksider that would move 1 inch in either direction before locking up. Upon disassembly I found the the wrist pin in the smoke unit piston was wrong or not staked into the piston properly allowing the connecting rod to fall out, bend and jam up the works. After straightening the con rod I made a new wrist pin from some brass rod in my scrap box and assembled the engine again. It runs & smokes fine now. Score is now Bob 1, Lionel 0. With snow on the way I may tackle some of my other problem children tomorrow and see what other quality control issues I can rectify.

Bob Hendrickson
Group: S-Trains Message: 58922 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver - "American S Gauge"
I am surprised that I do not hear more about the "American S Gauge" track
and turnouts.

I am not interested in it for my own layout but this might be useful for
some of the children in my family that I have started out with trains.

I have seen it on the ACSG Georgia Division and it looks nice despite the
height of the rail. This was before the turnouts had become available.

There was a big hoopla about the turnouts prior to them being available
because they were supposed to be able to handle AF, Flyonel, highrail, and
scale. I have not heard much feedback about it since it became available.

Maybe we can get some feedback on this thread.

- Earl Henry, Nashville
====================


In a message dated 2/4/2010 4:30:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
lbstiles@... writes:




Don't forget about Classic Trains "American S Gauge" track. It is a nickel
silver alloy, comes in 5' flex track sections as well as sectional
straights and a multitude of sectional curve radii.

My layout has been operating for 6 years and I have NEVER cleaned this
track. Conducts great every time!

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58924 From: AlR Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Linkage needed for AF 334DC
I am hunting for the side linkage (both sides) for an AF 334DC. So far, no dealers I have contacted have any. If you have any AF 332 to 336 that need a home, let me know. The linkage I need can be viewed on an exploded parts diagram for the AF 334 DC at HobbySurplus.com

http://www.hobbysurplus.com/xviews/330snthnHSS.asp

the parts I need from this diagram are for both sides. I hope I get them all listed correctly.

From this diagram, I need the following parts:

Part No. Number Required
17 6 - three for each side
18 2 - one for each side
19 2
20 4
21 4
22 2
23 4

If anyone has the main linkage ( 18 ) please let me know asap.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58925 From: michael prell Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Steven <stryker_rulz07@...> wrote:


SHS = 4.71 cents per inch.

Tomalco = 5.14 cents per inch.

American "S" = 2.51 cents per inch.

At these prices, I do believe I'll continue using my old Gilbert track. One because I'm cheap. There is no two.
Mike



Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!









 









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Group: S-Trains Message: 58926 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
Harwood.... I remember you bringing the set... I have wanted one for several years.... OH well!!!!
Remember the 3 weird locos I had on display, and the tough geep! I am thinking of selling them... Bob

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:


From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 7:51 PM


 



Bob,
I owned this exact set that sold on ebay. I recognized it by the
places on the top where the tape pulled off some of the color. I emailed him
and found out that he was the same guy I sold it to a couple of years ago at
York. At that time I think I sold it to him for $850.

Harwood
P.S.
I brought this set and the other set I still have to The Gilbert get
together about five years ago. Barb has some photos of these.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58927 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
As of today I have yet to get any kind or reply from Mr. Ashba or anybody at
Lionel , How ever I was able to find on their website some of the A.F. parts
they do have , I don't know why but it was cheaper to buy an entire chassis
complete with trucks than to buy the trucks alone ???? That was the good
part of the story , Upon arrival I opened the box only to find that these
trucks also were falling apart . I told them and again no reply from Lionel
. So I think I am done with Lionel untill they can make a better truck .
After all I thought that this stuff was made to operate , but it falls apart
before you can get the box open . Ron
Group: S-Trains Message: 58928 From: michael prell Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Gee, Bob,
In light of recent events, could it be that Toyota has taken over Lionel? Just wondering.
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, canambob91710k <canambob91710k@...> wrote:


From: canambob91710k <canambob91710k@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 7:15 PM


 



About a month ago, at the suggestion of members of this group, I wrote Mr. Matt Ashba at Lionel concerning problems with 4 of my Flyonel engines. In return I got absolutely no response...none, zip, zero, nada.

Bob Hendrickson











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Group: S-Trains Message: 58929 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
Sgaugian,

That was a good call on checking at lionel.com. It took some searching but I was able to locate all of their TMCC documentation. Maybe this will help someone else just getting their feet wet.

http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/service-documents/index.cfm?type=supplement&categoryIDList=86&doAction=search&product=&productNumber=

According to the Powermaster document the Command base is not needed to control conventional locos only. The powermaster will respond to the Cab1. So unless there is some benefit to adding the command base this project has just become a little less expensive.

Thanks,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 58930 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Bob,

Do you have concession stands for this entertainment?

Box seats available?

Just kidding, I wish the best with these projects.

Why, maybe Lionel could hire you director of quality control.

You could attend the quarterly meeting like that audio piece I sent you yesterday of the secret tapes at Lionel Headquarters and the meeting they had.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: canambob91710k
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go



About a month ago, at the suggestion of members of this group, I wrote Mr. Matt Ashba at Lionel concerning problems with 4 of my Flyonel engines. In return I got absolutely no response...none, zip, zero, nada. Thanks Matt. I decided to see what I could do to remedy my issues myself. The first engine I tackled is a Santa Fe docksider that would move 1 inch in either direction before locking up. Upon disassembly I found the the wrist pin in the smoke unit piston was wrong or not staked into the piston properly allowing the connecting rod to fall out, bend and jam up the works. After straightening the con rod I made a new wrist pin from some brass rod in my scrap box and assembled the engine again. It runs & smokes fine now. Score is now Bob 1, Lionel 0. With snow on the way I may tackle some of my other problem children tomorrow and see what other quality control issues I can rectify.

Bob Hendrickson





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58931 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver - "American S Gauge"
Hi Earl,

I think a few years ago, there was discussion on the ASG switch, as I know Nick is on this list.

Many either hated it or loved it.

Overall, I am very happy with them.

The issue is with the wheels on cars.

They have to be exactly spread apart on the axle the width of a dime, as I learn that from Nick and others has taken to that.

Lionel AF cars will not go through the switch as the wheels will not move at all.

I am using S Helper cars, mostly with a few AM cars and they are fine, no problem.

I am using a set of AF Lionel passenger cars and a few AF action cars, one is a AF car, and the rest are Lionel Action AF cars, that are all DCC'd. I changed the wheels to S Helper and no problems. The AF cars, those wheels do move, so that is fine.

Overall, I love the switch button, as they have LED lights for straight, green and curved, red. The switch themselves have a little light on them with authentic looking switching thing,as I do not know what that is called, I did not grow up with trains, so my terminology on the real thing is limited.

Cost factor, they are 60 or 65 a switch, but it is a one time cost for years of enjoyment. They are quality built and look great.

Again, I have pictures of this track in the photo section under Train Table where the progress of my layout is being shown.

Back stop has a coat of paint on it, second coat tomorrow and I hope to get the wedding veil on it then.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Brass or Nickel Silver - "American S Gauge"



I am surprised that I do not hear more about the "American S Gauge" track
and turnouts.

I am not interested in it for my own layout but this might be useful for
some of the children in my family that I have started out with trains.

I have seen it on the ACSG Georgia Division and it looks nice despite the
height of the rail. This was before the turnouts had become available.

There was a big hoopla about the turnouts prior to them being available
because they were supposed to be able to handle AF, Flyonel, highrail, and
scale. I have not heard much feedback about it since it became available.

Maybe we can get some feedback on this thread.

- Earl Henry, Nashville
====================


In a message dated 2/4/2010 4:30:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
lbstiles@... writes:

Don't forget about Classic Trains "American S Gauge" track. It is a nickel
silver alloy, comes in 5' flex track sections as well as sectional
straights and a multitude of sectional curve radii.

My layout has been operating for 6 years and I have NEVER cleaned this
track. Conducts great every time!

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58932 From: rj4010d Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
Tim, I forgot to check the part # of the powermaster but I think you have it all listed correctly.No connection between base & powermaster.I have 2 older # power masters (135 watts) with the adapter cables ,one new in box, that I would sell for 35.oo each with cables.I have a Legacey cab 2 & it does not talk to the power masters so I will have to by some of the newer track controlers.You won't regrett going TMCC !!! Bob Guckian Eaton,Oh

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> I am about ready to take the plunge so can I ask the TMCC experts one more question?
>
> To control conventional engines with TMCC requires:
>
> a power supply like a 30B
> Cab 1 (part# 12868)
> Command Base (part# 12911)
> Powermaster (part# 24130)
> Power adaptor cable (part# 12893)
>
> Right? What about a cable between the Command Base and the Powermaster?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58933 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
Hey Bob,
I've really enjoyed those Thursday night Gilbert gatherings over the year. Some really rare items.

See ya,
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...




Harwood.... I remember you bringing the set... I have wanted one for several years.... OH well!!!!
Remember the 3 weird locos I had on display, and the tough geep! I am thinking of selling them... Bob

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] You have been outbid on Scarce Uncatalogued Set #21085 Doc...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 7:51 PM



Bob,
I owned this exact set that sold on ebay. I recognized it by the
places on the top where the tape pulled off some of the color. I emailed him
and found out that he was the same guy I sold it to a couple of years ago at
York. At that time I think I sold it to him for $850.

Harwood
P.S.
I brought this set and the other set I still have to The Gilbert get
together about five years ago. Barb has some photos of these.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58934 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/4/2010
Subject: Re: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
Ron,
 
A few weeks ago I posted a message about the proper person to contact at Lionel Customer service. His name is Mike Reagan, not Matt Ashba. Mike might be a great person but he is definitely concerned about customer service or quality control. That is Mike Reagan's job. If you bother to search the archives, you can find his email address. I'm pretty sure he would be very interested in your new purchase of defective trucks. If you had to pay for them, I would contact your credit card company and dispute the charge. If you wrote a check, cancel it and provide proof of the defective product. Your choice.
 
Respectfully,
Nick Kulp

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Ron Inscho <ronnat@...> wrote:


From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:18 PM


As of today I have yet to get any kind or reply from Mr. Ashba or anybody at
Lionel , How ever I was able to find on their website some of the A.F. parts
they do have , I don't know why but it was cheaper to buy an entire chassis
complete with trucks than to buy the trucks alone  ????  That was the good
part of the story , Upon arrival I opened the box only to find that these
trucks also were falling apart . I told them and again no reply from Lionel
. So I think I am done with Lionel untill they can make a better truck .
After all I thought that this stuff was made to operate , but it falls apart
before you can get the box open . Ron



------------------------------------

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58935 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Dear Steven,
Being that we have a vested interest in the accuracy of our math.
Please fill us in on how you determined the cost of American "S" track
per inch.
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.
PS From the American Classic Track website....

#2160 60" Flextrack; 8 pc box $190
#2161 60" Flextrack; 32 pc case $755



On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Steven wrote:

> I did some math!
>
> SHS = 4.71 cents per inch.
>
> Tomalco = 5.14 cents per inch.
>
> American "S" = 2.51 cents per inch.
>
> Based on buying flex track. Keep in mind I stink at math.
>
> Making me think...
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58936 From: Steven Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Like I said my math stinks out loud!
I deleted my post because it was wrong!
I am sorry for that. I could not sleep because something was bugging me. I saw the light this morning at 4 AM.

Next time I will keep my crappy math to myself and my mouth shut.

I will have my wife do it!

Sorry guys.
Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 58937 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
I heard Toyota and Lionel are collaborating on a new control system where the engine goes as fast as it feels like regardless of command inputs. i think Gomez Adams is the project chief.
 
Bob


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:


From: michael prell <mlprell@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:23 PM


 



Gee, Bob,
In light of recent events, could it be that Toyota has taken over Lionel? Just wondering.
Mike Prell

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, canambob91710k <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: canambob91710k <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 7:15 PM

 

About a month ago, at the suggestion of members of this group, I wrote Mr. Matt Ashba at Lionel concerning problems with 4 of my Flyonel engines. In return I got absolutely no response...none, zip, zero, nada.

Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58938 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Mike,
 
No concession stands yet. Maybe we can get the Pinheads concessionaire to take over. Corporate America doesn't want me, I'm too politically incorrect and actually expect people to earn their keep. I know that concept will never fly.
 
Bob 


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 7:41 PM


 



Bob,

Do you have concession stands for this entertainment?

Box seats available?

Just kidding, I wish the best with these projects.

Why, maybe Lionel could hire you director of quality control.

You could attend the quarterly meeting like that audio piece I sent you yesterday of the secret tapes at Lionel Headquarters and the meeting they had.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: canambob91710k
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go

About a month ago, at the suggestion of members of this group, I wrote Mr. Matt Ashba at Lionel concerning problems with 4 of my Flyonel engines. In return I got absolutely no response...none, zip, zero, nada. Thanks Matt. I decided to see what I could do to remedy my issues myself. The first engine I tackled is a Santa Fe docksider that would move 1 inch in either direction before locking up. Upon disassembly I found the the wrist pin in the smoke unit piston was wrong or not staked into the piston properly allowing the connecting rod to fall out, bend and jam up the works. After straightening the con rod I made a new wrist pin from some brass rod in my scrap box and assembled the engine again. It runs & smokes fine now. Score is now Bob 1, Lionel 0. With snow on the way I may tackle some of my other problem children tomorrow and see what other quality control issues I can rectify.

Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58939 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Steve,

Hey, no harm done. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:01 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Brass or Nickel Silver




Like I said my math stinks out loud!
I deleted my post because it was wrong!
I am sorry for that. I could not sleep because something was bugging me. I saw the light this morning at 4 AM.

Next time I will keep my crappy math to myself and my mouth shut.

I will have my wife do it!

Sorry guys.
Steve





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58941 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
For the record....

#2160 60" Flextrack; 8 pc box $190

60" X 8 = 480" of track. $190/480" = $0.395 per inch

Best regards,
Don

On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Steven wrote:

>
> Like I said my math stinks out loud!
> I deleted my post because it was wrong!
> I am sorry for that. I could not sleep because something was bugging
> me. I saw the light this morning at 4 AM.
>
> Next time I will keep my crappy math to myself and my mouth shut.
>
> I will have my wife do it!
>
> Sorry guys.
> Steve
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58942 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
I've read parts of the messages in this thread. Never had truck frames drop off on ANY Flyonel. The only truck failure that I've ever had was with an ACG 662 ALUMINUM coach, and that was very likely caused by the great weight combined with the age of the car. I wound down mt annual train display at our local library last month. I ran numerous freight cars, plus the Alton Limited, literally for hours. No failures. ACG couplers had a tendency to uncouple on their own, but I had to make do with the surface that the trackage was on, and am sure the ACG problem was caused by "walking" track. Oddly, Flyonel couplers were immune to it. Has anyone else had truck failures?- John Marganski




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58943 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Linkage needed for AF 334DC
Hi,
� I sell all those parts.  I looked at the Hobby surplus view.  #17 is PA7421 Side rod Screw.  #5 shows the Valve Linkage Assembly.  You list that as #18.  Please email me off site seccia@....  I can help you with all these parts.
� Tom Seccia

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From: AlR <alsflyer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Linkage needed for AF 334DC
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:40 PM







 









I am hunting for the side linkage (both sides) for an AF 334DC. So far, no dealers I have contacted have any. If you have any AF 332 to 336 that need a home, let me know. The linkage I need can be viewed on an exploded parts diagram for the AF 334 DC at HobbySurplus. com



http://www.hobbysur plus.com/ xviews/330snthnH SS.asp



the parts I need from this diagram are for both sides. I hope I get them all listed correctly.



From this diagram, I need the following parts:



Part No. Number Required

17 6 - three for each side

18 2 - one for each side

19 2

20 4

21 4

22 2

23 4



If anyone has the main linkage ( 18 ) please let me know asap.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58944 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Gear reduction project.
Don't forget that SnS Trains makes and sells motors that are already
gear reduced by 50%.They are also inexpensive.
Steve
Boise

I'm currently working on a few gear reduction can conversions, like Carl
Tuveson used to make and sell.
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58945 From: Jim Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Rail Carrying Car?
Noticed a " 24125 Rail Carrying Car" on ebay this morning. While I have made my home-grown version of a rail car for my work train, I noticed this car seems to have some specialized clips holding the rails. Is this a factory-produced car, or another guy's home-made project? If it is a factory job, anyone know where I can get the clips?
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58946 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
This rumor is true!! The prototype was installed on my Big Boy!!! LOL Just boxed it up and sent it back for repairs. Tired of the inconsistent electronics - sometimes I had reverse, usually not. Sometimes I could control the whistle, but usually it would start blowing at start-up and continue to blow constantly. The bell would activate itself and continue to ring until I hit the bell button. Sometimes, I would have blowing, belching smoke, but usually it was almost undetectable. Finally got tired of trying to play mental games with it, and took it back. BTW, I run it on a single, 54 in. dia. curve track with a dedicated Lionel CW-80 transformer using conventional mode only. I installed a new 9V battery in the tender. I'm anxious to see what they say is wrong with it.
Jim E.

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From: "robert hendrickson" <canambob91710k@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 9:37:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go






I heard Toyota and Lionel are collaborating on a new control system where the engine goes as fast as it feels like regardless of command inputs. i think Gomez Adams is the project chief.

Bob

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From: michael prell < mlprell@... >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:23 PM



Gee, Bob,
In light of recent events, could it be that Toyota has taken over Lionel? Just wondering.
Mike Prell


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: canambob91710k <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 7:15 PM



About a month ago, at the suggestion of members of this group, I wrote Mr. Matt Ashba at Lionel concerning problems with 4 of my Flyonel engines. In return I got absolutely no response...none, zip, zero, nada.

Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58947 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: 1 down, 3 to go
Bob,

That would be David Dewey, as he is running Dave's Funnel Cake Stand (White Whistle Stop Building) at S Helper Field.

This is so exciting, Bob 1, Lionel 0, I think there is still opportunity for a tie? Do you have a shout out then?

Just kidding.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go



Mike,

No concession stands yet. Maybe we can get the Pinheads concessionaire to take over. Corporate America doesn't want me, I'm too politically incorrect and actually expect people to earn their keep. I know that concept will never fly.

Bob

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 7:41 PM



Bob,

Do you have concession stands for this entertainment?

Box seats available?

Just kidding, I wish the best with these projects.

Why, maybe Lionel could hire you director of quality control.

You could attend the quarterly meeting like that audio piece I sent you yesterday of the secret tapes at Lionel Headquarters and the meeting they had.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: canambob91710k
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 down, 3 to go

About a month ago, at the suggestion of members of this group, I wrote Mr. Matt Ashba at Lionel concerning problems with 4 of my Flyonel engines. In return I got absolutely no response...none, zip, zero, nada. Thanks Matt. I decided to see what I could do to remedy my issues myself. The first engine I tackled is a Santa Fe docksider that would move 1 inch in either direction before locking up. Upon disassembly I found the the wrist pin in the smoke unit piston was wrong or not staked into the piston properly allowing the connecting rod to fall out, bend and jam up the works. After straightening the con rod I made a new wrist pin from some brass rod in my scrap box and assembled the engine again. It runs & smokes fine now. Score is now Bob 1, Lionel 0. With snow on the way I may tackle some of my other problem children tomorrow and see what other quality control issues I can rectify.

Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58948 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver - "American S Gauge"
I run Tru-Scale switches inherited from Lynn's uncle as well as several vintage Bob Peare kits I have purchased and hand laid. I got tired of waiting for the American S Gauge switches, so I went vintage. I also blended Tru-Scale track with the ASG track and it melds perfectly.

The ASG switches I have seen seem to work well.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58949 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Jim,

This is a factory produced car. The original rail segments for this car did not have any crimps on them. If they have crimps then they were taken from straight track sections and are not original. The two black clips are supports for the rail segments. I have seen a lot of people looking for these clips without success, so I assume they have not been reproduced.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote:
>
> Noticed a " 24125 Rail Carrying Car" on ebay this morning. While I have made my home-grown version of a rail car for my work train, I noticed this car seems to have some specialized clips holding the rails. Is this a factory-produced car, or another guy's home-made project? If it is a factory job, anyone know where I can get the clips?
> Jim E.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58950 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: {S-Scale List} PRR Freaks-This Budd's For You...
Slight change to what appears below. The seventh and eighth AM talgo-mount couplers were elsewhere in the box. Now, all eight, though not mounted, AM couplers are included with the four cars. The cars are now coupled with body-mounted Kadee 802s.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:22 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} PRR Freaks-This Budd's For You...



For sale. One highly unusual set of Am. Models' Pennsylvania RR Budd Cars. These cars are finished in Am. Models' three-step chroming process, a finish that is no longer offered for PRR by Am. Models. The cars include #1102 Baggage/RPO Combine, #4002 Coach, #1155 Diner and #1126 OBS/Lounge, all with fully-lighted interiors. Front and rear, all four cars are outfitted with body-mounted Kadee 802s with, inexplicably, only six of the eight original AM talgo-mount couplers in the box. Wheel sets are flanged for scale operation so these, as configured, will probably not negotiate AF switches. Test run only. Beautiful to behold in a night scene with light streaming through the windows while street lights and RR signal lights reflect off the gorgeous chrome exterior. $250 including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Off-list responses only. On-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff
cujoacat@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58951 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: re Mr. Ashba & Lionel trucks falling apart
Hi John,
 
Wow !! The discussion on Flyonel truck failures has been going on for at least a month. A few "collectors" that never opened their boxes actually violated the "code" <grin> and opened several cars only to find that a huge number of them had broken trucks right from the factory. I myself have only purchased two new Flyonel cars this year and I have had a 100% failure rate. One car, a baggage boxcar Erie #934 lasted almost 6 months. The other was a #915 Crane tender flat car. That one never made it out of the box before breaking. 
 
First problem is that the trucks Flyonel is using are O SCALE trucks. The trucks actually rub the rails on AF track. Flyonel slapped their own trucks on new AF equipment and obviously never tested them. The wheels sit in plastic "bearings" that adapt the S guage axles to the oversized truck frames. When you run the car, the bottom of the metal frame rubs the rails. In my #934 's case, it actually ejected a crate every time it ran across a switch. The two polaritys come together at the frog and that completes the electrical circuit for the box ejector.
 
The second problem is that the Chinese factory must be using very poor pot metal for these castings. The places where the trucks attach to the bolster frame has two tiny cast pins that are peaned to hold the side frames in place om the bolster. These two tiny pins break at the slightest motion because of the poor quality of the pot metal. This is a problem that American manufacturers ran into very early in their cast metal manufacturing. They were also able to solve it. Unfortunately, when the cars never leave the boxes, the buyers never see the broken trucks.
 
One member reported a failure of 50 out of 60 cars broken in the boxes. You are very fortunate not to have any problems. Perhaps ist is only a matter of time for yours to fail as my #934 boxcar's case.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
I've read parts of the messages in this thread. Never had truck frames drop off on ANY Flyonel. The only truck failure that I've ever had was with an ACG 662 ALUMINUM coach, and that was very likely caused by the great weight combined with the age of the car. I wound down mt annual train display at our local library last month. I ran numerous freight cars, plus the Alton Limited, literally for hours. No failures. ACG couplers had a tendency to uncouple on their own, but I had to make do with the surface that the trackage was on, and am sure the ACG problem was caused by "walking" track. Oddly, Flyonel couplers were immune to it. Has anyone else had truck failures?- John Marganski





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58952 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Oil Drum Loader
the central railway museum layout wants to install a donated oil drum loader, but we only have room on a curve. the catalogs from the 1950's show it on straights. does anyone have experience with it on a curve?? thanks, dale reynolds, pendleton sc
Group: S-Trains Message: 58953 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
I tried a log loader on a curve and it did not do well.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58954 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Thanks, BG.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 1:19:39 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rail Carrying Car?






Jim,

This is a factory produced car. The original rail segments for this car did not have any crimps on them. If they have crimps then they were taken from straight track sections and are not original. The two black clips are supports for the rail segments. I have seen a lot of people looking for these clips without success, so I assume they have not been reproduced.

BG1

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>
> Noticed a " 24125 Rail Carrying Car" on ebay this morning. While I have made my home-grown version of a rail car for my work train, I noticed this car seems to have some specialized clips holding the rails. Is this a factory-produced car, or another guy's home-made project? If it is a factory job, anyone know where I can get the clips?
> Jim E.
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58955 From: michael prell Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
Steve!
Not to worry! We're all human! (Well, most of us are (8>) Mike

And I'm still cheap!
 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Brass or Nickel Silver
To: "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 7:44 AM


 



For the record....

#2160 60" Flextrack; 8 pc box $190

60" X 8 = 480" of track. $190/480" = $0.395 per inch

Best regards,
Don

On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Steven wrote:

>
> Like I said my math stinks out loud!
> I deleted my post because it was wrong!
> I am sorry for that. I could not sleep because something was bugging
> me. I saw the light this morning at 4 AM.
>
> Next time I will keep my crappy math to myself and my mouth shut.
>
> I will have my wife do it!
>
> Sorry guys.
> Steve
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58956 From: Edward Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
????????.....Where do these questions come from...???..lolol..lets see...AF basic sets came with a circle of track ....THINK like a kid..with your first train set...Duh...It always worked it was Flyer the best stuff made...if it didnt ..we made it work haha

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "reynoldsjmus" <reynoldsdale@...> wrote:
>
> the central railway museum layout wants to install a donated oil drum loader, but we only have room on a curve. the catalogs from the 1950's show it on straights. does anyone have experience with it on a curve?? thanks, dale reynolds, pendleton sc
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58957 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Please note: message attached

From: "Jim" <jimensign50@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Carrying Car?
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:17:05 -0000

Jim:

I was able to get the repro brackets and rails themselves from Fred's Train Parts. That's Fred Jester of Chester, PA.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58958 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Looking at www.portlines.com, Doug sells the rails byt themselve, then he has a listing for a complete load for that car. I gather that means the clips too as the rails are 2 each by themselves and 22 complete. I wonder why the clips are not sold seperately. Maybe Doug will answer since I edited out the reply. O:)!!!

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58959 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
Physics might not make it work, as this is for a museum.

Now that I cleared out the replied email, some might not have any clue to what this email is all about, as that is a down side of not sending the whole thing back to the list. As there have a been several emails on this now. Could make it hard to follow different tagents to the story of the drum loader and different types of replies. I know, I was told to leave the list, in private, if I did not like it. Oh well.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58960 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
We have had these clips in stock for several years, and still do.



<<The original rail segments for this car did not have any crimps on
them. If they have crimps then they were taken from straight track
sections and are not original. The two black clips are supports for the
rail segments. I have seen a lot of people looking for these clips
without success, so I assume they have not been reproduced.>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58961 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Hi Jim E,
� I sell the clips.  Please email me off site seccia@....  These are repros, but you can hardly see the difference.
Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Carrying Car?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 12:17 PM







 









Noticed a " 24125 Rail Carrying Car" on ebay this morning. While I have made my home-grown version of a rail car for my work train, I noticed this car seems to have some specialized clips holding the rails. Is this a factory-produced car, or another guy's home-made project? If it is a factory job, anyone know where I can get the clips?

Jim E.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58962 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Doug,

Not that I need it, but your parts site for gondolas does not list them seperately, as least I did not see.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58963 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
Hi Dale,
� I don't believe you can put the 779 Oil Drum Loader next to a curve track to make it operate correctly.  The Loader measures approximately 9" across and the train will most likely hit it. 
Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...> wrote:

From: reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Oil Drum Loader
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:00 PM







 









the central railway museum layout wants to install a donated oil drum loader, but we only have room on a curve. the catalogs from the 1950's show it on straights. does anyone have experience with it on a curve?? thanks, dale reynolds, pendleton sc

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58964 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader
No the train will not hit it if put back far enough, but I do not think it will work, as I tried it with a log loader, as I wrote before.

However, maybe do set up a circle of track somewhere and see how it does. Can't hurt to try this, but you start to do cutting etc on the layout.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58965 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Jim,
If one is a stickler to details, these original track sections without crimps are still around. But you must know where to look.
Gilbert's earliest road race sets came with hard gray plastic roadbed which had metal strips imbedded in each lane. These metal
strips are actually inverted Flyer train track rails. So if you can find some straight sections of this, just remove the rails, and cut
to the correct length. They don't have crimps in them. Cutting them correctly can be a challenge.

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:17 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Carrying Car?




Noticed a " 24125 Rail Carrying Car" on ebay this morning. While I have made my home-grown version of a rail car for my work train, I noticed this car seems to have some specialized clips holding the rails. Is this a factory-produced car, or another guy's home-made project? If it is a factory job, anyone know where I can get the clips?
Jim E.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58966 From: clayton deich Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Going over some old letters...
 Hi Tom, going over some old letters in the train room I had one from you in the pile. It was Dec. 18th 1989 and I had asked you about some parts for a 314 AW that I had need of. You were so kind as to send it back with a note of what you had in stock. So I have been placed parts orders with you for over 20 years now. Thank you for the fine service!
  Clayton S. D.  























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Group: S-Trains Message: 58967 From: navmedguy Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: TMCC Loop de Loop
I'm looking for information on wiring a loop to loop connected with double tracks for both TMCC and conventional wiring.


***** ******
* * * *
* * * *
* * \ ** *
*** ******************/ ******
\ X /
***************************

It'll be interesting to see if that attempted typed diagram comes through....

Anyway, the plan is to connect two complete single track ovals with parallel track - with a crossover in the middle.

What will I need to wire this to run smoothly in conventional mode? TMCC? I've the general principles of reverse loop wiring, so I'm mainly interested in which if any reversing units are necessary? helpful? And what would be different for TMCC?

I hope no one takes my wife's position and tells me to just build the poor kid an oval!

dr y
Group: S-Trains Message: 58968 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
hey Tom and Mike, thanks for your replies. i should have stated it would be on an outside curve. we have 2 front corners on the AF layout that kids would love to operate 2 more accessories with push buttons. we are looking for a water tank for the other corner as the spout does not need a long tangent. i can see where a log loader would not work as logs are long, but the oil drum is a lot smaller. the suggestion of trying it on a circle of track is a good one, but there is no place to do it. that is why i posted this query. dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 58969 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Going over some old letters...
Hi Clayton,
� Glad to be of service.  Thank you for all your business over the years.
�� Tom Seccia


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From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Going over some old letters...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:49 PM







 









Hi Tom, going over some old letters in the train room I had one from you in the pile. It was Dec. 18th 1989 and I had asked you about some parts for a 314 AW that I had need of. You were so kind as to send it back with a note of what you had in stock. So I have been placed parts orders with you for over 20 years now. Thank you for the fine service!

Clayton S. D.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58970 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
Hi Harwood,
� I must check, but I believe I have repro rails without the crimp.  That would be easier than removing those from the slot car roadbed.  Interesting information you offer. I didn't know that. Learn something new every day.
Tom Seccia


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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rail Carrying Car?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Jim,

If one is a stickler to details, these original track sections without crimps are still around. But you must know where to look.

Gilbert's earliest road race sets came with hard gray plastic roadbed which had metal strips imbedded in each lane. These metal

strips are actually inverted Flyer train track rails. So if you can find some straight sections of this, just remove the rails, and cut

to the correct length. They don't have crimps in them. Cutting them correctly can be a challenge.



Harwood



-----Original Message-----

From: Jim <jimensign50@ comcast.net>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:17 pm

Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Carrying Car?



Noticed a " 24125 Rail Carrying Car" on ebay this morning. While I have made my home-grown version of a rail car for my work train, I noticed this car seems to have some specialized clips holding the rails. Is this a factory-produced car, or another guy's home-made project? If it is a factory job, anyone know where I can get the clips?

Jim E.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58971 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Because when you get the digest format of the list you have to scroll and
scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll- there no deleting it.





Please only copy a brief section of what you are replying to.





Thanks,





Tom Stoltz


<http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com



























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Posted by: "michael and Linda Marmer"
<mailto:mlmarmer@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20etiquette>
mlmarmer@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/mlmarmer2000>
mlmarmer2000


Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:41 am (PST)




I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many, since
the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need to look at
past post on the subject.

I don't see this being a big issue.

read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes
though.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58972 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: etiquette
What really upsets me is the number of people who don't proof read a response before they mail it. Lousy spelling and missing words are really aggravating! It doesn't ake that long to re-check your "prose"


Jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58973 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
Dale,

Yes, I knew you meant outside the curve.

You have no access to extra track?

If not, how about just setting the unit on the layout where you want it and just run the wires to it before doing anything permanent.

Or maybe someone on the list could try that for you with a circle of track.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: reynoldsjmus
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:43 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve



hey Tom and Mike, thanks for your replies. i should have stated it would be on an outside curve. we have 2 front corners on the AF layout that kids would love to operate 2 more accessories with push buttons. we are looking for a water tank for the other corner as the spout does not need a long tangent. i can see where a log loader would not work as logs are long, but the oil drum is a lot smaller. the suggestion of trying it on a circle of track is a good one, but there is no place to do it. that is why i posted this query. dale





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58974 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Tom,

I understand, but I did not ask those to get the list in that format.

I will try to remember to do that, but I can not promise you that. That is a lot of steps for some one to delete and copy stuff for a reply. That is allot of work for me to please those who get the digest. Please don't tell me to leave the list, as I did not know that was the requirement to be here.

At least you did not ask me to leave the list one did to me in private. I would never to do that to anyone on any list, if I did not like a email. Just delete and move on. It is really hurtful to get something like that.

I have no respect for that person anymore, as I have not heard back from him to apologize for a vicious email, as it covered something else he did not like about a recent email I sent.

Sadly, this person offered to fix a engine of mine last year just for parts and postage, which I thought was really nice of him, as I did not him up on that offer. I see something so silly brought out the worse in him.

I get tired of getting a email every 3 months from some irate person who has made a decision to chew me out on a email that was okay by a moderator. And over nothing really. There are more important things in life then to worry about then a email I wrote.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Stoltz
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:16 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette




Because when you get the digest format of the list you have to scroll and
scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll- there no deleting it.

Please only copy a brief section of what you are replying to.

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

<http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com

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Posted by: "michael and Linda Marmer"
<mailto:mlmarmer@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20etiquette>
mlmarmer@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/mlmarmer2000>
mlmarmer2000

Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:41 am (PST)

I agree with Bob, as I don't see why this is a big issue with many, since
the new message is first, at top and it sort of helps if you need to look at
past post on the subject.

I don't see this being a big issue.

read the top and than move on, as I do not read ever email that comes
though.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58975 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
I will admit, I am guilty of that and I know it.

I will do better in the future.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Nowosielski
To: s-trains
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] etiquette



What really upsets me is the number of people who don't proof read a response before they mail it. Lousy spelling and missing words are really aggravating! It doesn't ake that long to re-check your "prose"

Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58976 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Hey Mike,

Don't let that guy get you down. He has found ways to offend most of us
at one time or another.

By the way, editing the previous message is not a lot of steps. In most
cases, it is a single click and drag followed by the delete key.
Click-Drag down to highlight - delete.

For your message, I chose to preserve your signature, so, I did the
click-drag-delete thing two times. Once for the stuff in your message I
wanted to leave out and once for all of the gorp at the bottom.

Remember, click-drag-delete. It is simpler than a reverse loop.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

PS, I see that "gorp" is highlighted, so, I'll have to add it to my
personal dictionary. The price I pay for an expanding language.

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:49 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette

Tom,

I understand, but I did not ask those to get the list in that format.

I will try to remember to do that, but I can not promise you that. That
is a lot of steps for some one to delete and copy stuff for a reply.
That is allot of work for me to please those who get the digest. Please
don't tell me to leave the list, as I did not know that was the
requirement to be here.

...

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 58977 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Mike you are okay
Hi Mike,
 
The fellow that sent that email might just have been having a bad day. If not, he should apologize and move on. Telling a person to leave the list is the moderator's job and that rarely happens unless the person involved has really done something unforgivable. After all, I'm still permitted to post messages and some things I have said made some folks unhappy.
 
A neat trick to edit your reply is when you are reading a message,
 
1. take the cursor and place it next to the text you want to use.
2.Hold the Right mouse button and slide the cursor across the text. 
3.Release the mouse button and hit Ctrl and the C key.
 
That will copy the text to the "buffer".Then;
 
1. Hit "reply" in your email.
2. Go to the text part of the message and hit Alt-a. That will select all of the text.
3. Hit Ctrl-v. That will paste your "buffered" text into the message.
 
Then you can comment on the information, keep unhappy people from having something to complain about, and you will follow appropriate ettiquette for the list.
 
I am a member of over 100 lists on Yahoogroups. Folks hitting reply when they get the digest form is probably the most complained-about thing on every list. Not to pick on you but you will find that almost every list has an "unwritten" rule about replying to the digest. First, the subject line is inappropriate as it usually uses the digest number. Second, imagine what happens if several people respond to messages that were unedited digest messages. it is a real pain to have a mega-mail bomb hit. I usually hit delete when I see a digest response.
 
Stick on the list Mike. Your information and photos are usually pretty interesting.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
Digging out from under 24" of white stuff in Perry County Pa.
 
 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 58978 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Mike you are okay
Hi Nick.

Thank you .

I read your email and Bill's on how to reply back for those in digest and that is very much appreciate, as you did it in a nice way.

I tried Bill's way, but I did not get it to work.

I gather you way is similar's (sp) to Bill's, so I will try to practice. As it will take time. Again, I cannot guarantee I will do this or do it everytime.

Thanks for telling me you like my emails for the most part. Silly at times, I know, but hey, it is just a hobby and I try to add some humor to it.

Besides if I leave you will never hear more about Hugo and Che. they have a book coming out soon.

24 inches here and still coming down. I even read this before sending, as allot is going on today. LOL Caught a few missing words.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Kulp
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Mike you are okay



Hi Mike,

The fellow that sent that email might just have been having a bad day. If not, he should apologize and move on. Telling a person to leave the list is the moderator's job and that rarely happens unless the person involved has really done something unforgivable. After all, I'm still permitted to post messages and some things I have said made some folks unhappy.

A neat trick to edit your reply is when you are reading a message,

1. take the cursor and place it next to the text you want to use.
2.Hold the Right mouse button and slide the cursor across the text.
3.Release the mouse button and hit Ctrl and the C key.

That will copy the text to the "buffer".Then;

1. Hit "reply" in your email.
2. Go to the text part of the message and hit Alt-a. That will select all of the text.
3. Hit Ctrl-v. That will paste your "buffered" text into the message.

Then you can comment on the information, keep unhappy people from having something to complain about, and you will follow appropriate ettiquette for the list.

I am a member of over 100 lists on Yahoogroups. Folks hitting reply when they get the digest form is probably the most complained-about thing on every list. Not to pick on you but you will find that almost every list has an "unwritten" rule about replying to the digest. First, the subject line is inappropriate as it usually uses the digest number. Second, imagine what happens if several people respond to messages that were unedited digest messages. it is a real pain to have a mega-mail bomb hit. I usually hit delete when I see a digest response.

Stick on the list Mike. Your information and photos are usually pretty interesting.

Regards,
Nick Kulp

Digging out from under 24" of white stuff in Perry County Pa.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 58979 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Bill,

thanks as it was not the usual suspect this time.

But someone who is on the list allot with allot of knowledge. I wont reveal the person for his sake. But I would like to, as again, I am tired of those who feel they should take it upon themselves to blast someone over nothing. I would never do that to anyone, as I expect those to do the same, no matter how you feel. These emails are forgotten so quickly on a list, but not when someone tells you off in private. And it was not even politely done.

Okay, thanks for the tip, as maybe the other person could of been more like you. at least it would of been a friendly email.

I will try to remember that and try to remember to do it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette



Hey Mike,

Don't let that guy get you down. He has found ways to offend most of us
at one time or another.

By the way, editing the previous message is not a lot of steps. In most
cases, it is a single click and drag followed by the delete key.
Click-Drag down to highlight - delete.

For your message, I chose to preserve your signature, so, I did the
click-drag-delete thing two times. Once for the stuff in your message I
wanted to leave out and once for all of the gorp at the bottom.

Remember, click-drag-delete. It is simpler than a reverse loop.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

PS, I see that "gorp" is highlighted, so, I'll have to add it to my
personal dictionary. The price I pay for an expanding language.

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:49 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette

Tom,

I understand, but I did not ask those to get the list in that format.

I will try to remember to do that, but I can not promise you that. That
is a lot of steps for some one to delete and copy stuff for a reply.
That is allot of work for me to please those who get the digest. Please
don't tell me to leave the list, as I did not know that was the
requirement to be here.

...

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58980 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Jack,

I am a lousy speller and an even worse typist, so I do make errors. I do
proofread my work and try to remember to use spell checker. Despite this
errors do creep in. I am actually an excellent proofreader of other
individual's writings. Proofing one's own work, however, is a much more
difficult task.

To me, what is worse than the occasional misspelled or missing word are
those writings prepared without the benefit of upper case letters or
punctuation. The individuals who write this stuff say it is their personal
"writing style", but that is usually just an excuse for laziness and/or
ignorance (E.E. Cummings notwithstanding).

So let's not be too hard on the occasional lapses, as they are likely not
intentional. And when you say all these things are aggravating, eye no
exactly what ewe mean. ;-)

Jerry


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Jack Nowosielski
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:23 AM
To: s-trains
Subject: [S-Trains] etiquette



What really upsets me is the number of people who don't proof read a
response before they mail it. Lousy spelling and missing words are really
aggravating! It doesn't ake that long to re-check your "prose"

Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58981 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Talking Station Video
Hi All,

I've posted a video of the talking station on YouTube. You can view it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDfvJlxV0V0

Those who follow the messages know it took several iterations to get the wiring correct, but thanks to group help it's operating perfectly now.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58982 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: 24 inches of white stuff
To all my friends in the frigid northeast, you can keep all that white stuff. For me, I'm headed downstairs. My wife is out back grilling steaks for dinner. It's nice to live in the deep south!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58983 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Cow on track video posted
Hi All,

I've posted a video of the cow on track accessory on YouTube. You can check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDfvJlxV0V0

It works like a charm since I cleaned all the cobwebs off the contacts - hahaha!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58984 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 2 minutes.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 58985 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on track video posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KbUad3zNxQ&feature=relate

David,

Nice video of COT in operation.

I am sending you a boat load of snow your way.

Here is a neat video that seen to the right of David's about AF and Lionel milk cars.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58986 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Carrying Car?
No, I'm not a stickler for detail - I don't mind the crimps. Hate the leg cramps, though! :)
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 10:18:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rail Carrying Car?







Jim,
If one is a stickler to details, these original track sections without crimps are still around. But you must know where to look.
Gilbert's earliest road race sets came with hard gray plastic roadbed which had metal strips imbedded in each lane. These metal
strips are actually inverted Flyer train track rails. So if you can find some straight sections of this, just remove the rails, and cut
to the correct length. They don't have crimps in them. Cutting them correctly can be a challenge.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim < jimensign50@... >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:17 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Carrying Car?

Noticed a " 24125 Rail Carrying Car" on ebay this morning. While I have made my home-grown version of a rail car for my work train, I noticed this car seems to have some specialized clips holding the rails. Is this a factory-produced car, or another guy's home-made project? If it is a factory job, anyone know where I can get the clips?
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58987 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/6/2010
Subject: Talking Station Video - New Link
Hi All,

I'm not sure how I managed to get the same link up for both the cow on track and talking station videos, but here is the correct one for the talking station:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ah3f15r04

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58988 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Reply Format &c
We've had some interesting and informative discussion recently of what I would call basic e-mail & Yahoo group courtesy and etiquette.

I think it all started when someone made the very reasonable suggestion that we all watch our reply formats and try not to retransmit entire lengthy and mostly irrelevant messages to the group when making a reply. No doubt a considerable portion of this group thought "Yeah, right, Mrs Grundy, whatever," but kept their thoughts to themselves. But one person saw fit to state on 2 Feb

> > > > > > >

I understand, what you all are saying now, but now I have to go the extra step, which I can see will be a pain, and then to remember, etc.

> > > > > > >

and 15 minutes later

> > > > > > >

I understand that those who get this list the why you want to might inconvience,sp, you, as you is in general, but because I choose to get in a differ way,you want me to please you and now you inconvience,sp, me and the others who get the way I do. [verbatim]

> > > > > > >

That translated for me into "No I will not. To adjust my style to show a little more consideration for the group and make my messages more readable would be a 'pain' and an 'inconvenience'."

That set me off and I sent him a private note that might be summarized as "Shape up or ship out." Unfortunately he chooses to dwell on the "ship out," when I would much prefer him, and the rest of the scoff-etiquette people, to shape up.

For point two of what upset the gentleman, all his messages about getting a virus, probably from "yahoo groups," on this and the S-Scale list, I thought were unnecessary, especially after he conceded it was not from yahoo groups. The S-Scale list has a rule

> > > > > > > >

Keep your notes "on topic". NO computer virus warnings.

- If you think you have an urgent off-topic message (such as a virus warning), send it to the moderator.

> > > > > > > >

Maybe this group doesn't have that rule.

Bill recently said

> > > > > > > >

"Don't let that guy get you down. He has found ways to offend most of us at one time or another."

> > > > > > > >

Well, I've certainly tried. I was surprised I didn't get kicked out of the group for posting "A little cartoon (for 4-8-8-4 buyers)" in the files section.

Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan


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Group: S-Trains Message: 58989 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
Dale,

Placing an oil drum loader on an outside curve does work. Even though the accessory itself is about 8 or 9 inches long, the point where the loading is done is very minimul. That point should be near the track. The rest can be away from the track. I have done this several times on curves and it works fine. The only thing you may have to be careful about is, if this is on the corner of the layout, make sure it does not hang over the edge. Good luck and keep having fun.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "reynoldsjmus" <reynoldsdale@...> wrote:
>
> hey Tom and Mike, thanks for your replies. i should have stated it would be on an outside curve. we have 2 front corners on the AF layout that kids would love to operate 2 more accessories with push buttons. we are looking for a water tank for the other corner as the spout does not need a long tangent. i can see where a log loader would not work as logs are long, but the oil drum is a lot smaller. the suggestion of trying it on a circle of track is a good one, but there is no place to do it. that is why i posted this query. dale
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 58990 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Messages Delivery
Hi All,

I don't see what's the big problem with how people respond to messages but would like to understand it. To read the group messages I go to Yahoo Groups, log on, go to S-Trains and there is a list of all the groups I belong to. I click on messages uner a group name and that takes me to a list of all the messages. The subject line of the last message I read is a maroon color. The subject line of the new messages (those I have not read) are blue. I simply click on the first blue message and read it. Then I click on NEXT and read that one. Etc, etc. If I'm not interested in the message I just hit NEXT and continue on my merry way. The actual message is almost always at the top of the message and any previous stuff is below for me to read or pass on. So if people include previous messages below their new message I can either read it if I'm interested in the entire thread or just move on.

This is the one and only way that I use the Yahoo groups. In addition to making it fast and easy to read the messages, there is a "window" on the left that has direct links to all of the files, photos, links, database, polls, members list, etc. Everything on one easy to navigate page.

So what other ways are there to get the messages? I keep seeing people say just DELETE an offending message and move on. There is no DELETE function available the way I use. Just hit NEXT. Maybe if we understood what other people are doing we would understand why they get so fired up about this.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 58991 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Hi Mike,



After re-reading my comments, I can't see that I asked you to leave the
list, though I see I did leave a word out. I can't even see that your
leaving is implied. Sorry if you took it that way.



As far as offending most people on this list at one time or another - well,
wow. That is quite a hit. If I'm that offensive, then it is I who should
be leaving the list, but before I do, please allow me to apologize to
everyone for all these offensives that I've committed - sorry.



I'll take my leave now,



Tom Stoltz







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Posted by: "michael and Linda Marmer"
<mailto:mlmarmer@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20etiquette>
mlmarmer@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/mlmarmer2000>
mlmarmer2000


Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:35 am (PST)




Tom,

I understand, but I did not ask those to get the list in that format.

I will try to remember to do that, but I can not promise you that. That is a
lot of steps for some one to delete and copy stuff for a reply. That is
allot of work for me to please those who get the digest. Please don't tell
me to leave the list, as I did not know that was the requirement to be here.





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Posted by: "Bill Porter"
<mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20etiquette>
wpporter@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/elgreatzot> elgreatzot


Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:57 am (PST)




Hey Mike,

Don't let that guy get you down. He has found ways to offend most of us
at one time or another.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 58992 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: etiquette
Hi Tom,

No, you did not ask me to leave the group and if you thought that I thought you where asking me too, I sincerely apologize that you might of thought that. that is allot of thought's in that sentence.

No, I was just referring to the person who emailed me in private, as that person said if I can't do something for the list, maybe I should leave.

Again, I get these moronic emails many times a year and not from you know who.

I am sick and tired of something taking things into their hands in private all because of a email that I wrote on the list. You don't like something, just delete it and move on, as I use the work you as in general.

And with that, I hope this thread on etiquette can now come to a end and we can move on.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Stoltz
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: etiquette



Hi Mike,

After re-reading my comments, I can't see that I asked you to leave the
list, though I see I did leave a word out. I can't even see that your
leaving is implied. Sorry if you took it that way.

As far as offending most people on this list at one time or another - well,
wow. That is quite a hit. If I'm that offensive, then it is I who should
be leaving the list, but before I do, please allow me to apologize to
everyone for all these offensives that I've committed - sorry.

I'll take my leave now,

Tom Stoltz

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/58974;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdnNpaWJqB
F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1ODk3NARzZ
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Posted by: "michael and Linda Marmer"
<mailto:mlmarmer@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20etiquette>
mlmarmer@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/mlmarmer2000>
mlmarmer2000

Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:35 am (PST)

Tom,

I understand, but I did not ask those to get the list in that format.

I will try to remember to do that, but I can not promise you that. That is a
lot of steps for some one to delete and copy stuff for a reply. That is
allot of work for me to please those who get the digest. Please don't tell
me to leave the list, as I did not know that was the requirement to be here.

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/58976;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbXB0NHI1B
F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1ODk3NgRzZ
WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjY1NTM4ODA3> Re: etiquette

Posted by: "Bill Porter"
<mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20etiquette>
wpporter@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/elgreatzot> elgreatzot

Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:57 am (PST)

Hey Mike,

Don't let that guy get you down. He has found ways to offend most of us
at one time or another.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58993 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Messages Delivery
BG1,

I have all my Yahoo groups come to my normal email inbox. They are then filtered into the relevant folder for each group and I view them as you would an ordinary email. Every now and again I then do some house keeping and delete either complete/partial threads or from an older date, for me this works fine.

With regards to a specific thread I always keep the original start email and if subsequent ones are not relevant they get deleted, but I feel it is important to keep the original posters message for reference/referral at a later point.

Regards,

Neil

----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Messages Delivery



Hi All,

I don't see what's the big problem with how people respond to messages but would like to understand it. To read the group messages I go to Yahoo Groups, log on, go to S-Trains and there is a list of all the groups I belong to. I click on messages uner a group name and that takes me to a list of all the messages. The subject line of the last message I read is a maroon color. The subject line of the new messages (those I have not read) are blue. I simply click on the first blue message and read it. Then I click on NEXT and read that one. Etc, etc. If I'm not interested in the message I just hit NEXT and continue on my merry way. The actual message is almost always at the top of the message and any previous stuff is below for me to read or pass on. So if people include previous messages below their new message I can either read it if I'm interested in the entire thread or just move on.

This is the one and only way that I use the Yahoo groups. In addition to making it fast and easy to read the messages, there is a "window" on the left that has direct links to all of the files, photos, links, database, polls, members list, etc. Everything on one easy to navigate page.

So what other ways are there to get the messages? I keep seeing people say just DELETE an offending message and move on. There is no DELETE function available the way I use. Just hit NEXT. Maybe if we understood what other people are doing we would understand why they get so fired up about this.

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 58994 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Opinions etiquette
My whole point is bringing up what happened to me, is that I expressed a opinion, etc. and I got what I considered to be a nasty email from a list member.

I did not deserve to get that email because you did not like something I wrote.

Just delete and move on in the future is all I ask of any of you who do not like something I wrote. I never said I was perfect, I am not.

I enjoy being on this list, I like writing about things and I like reading many things written. Many on the list have greatly helped me on my layout with questions and many have sent me things for the layout. I have made many friends from this list.

Thank you.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58995 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Coaling Tower
Here is my latest layout project.

http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm

Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 58996 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Carl,

That is some beautiful work. Thanks for sharing.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of carl@...
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:58 AM
To: STrains
Subject: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower

Here is my latest layout project.

http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm

Carl

.
Group: S-Trains Message: 58997 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reply Format &c
Hi Tom,

That 'Bill' was me. I was not referring to you. I thought the note was
about another guy who I choose not to name because I don't want to give
him any more publicity. He has been removed from this list at least
twice that I have heard of and I still get things from him with spoofed
return addresses.

You, on the other hand, are always a gentleman and a solid contributor.

One problem we all have on this sort of forum is that we cannot see the
person sending a note in the same way we could if we were having a
conversation. Lacking that visual interaction, it is all too easy to
misunderstand our brief notes. It seems to me that your reply to our
colleague was sensible and between the two of you. That exchange was
then presented with editorial comments that made it seem otherwise.

I, for one, am glad that both you and Mike are here and that the other,
nameless guy is not.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Hawley
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Reply Format &c

We've had some interesting and informative discussion recently of what I
would call basic e-mail & Yahoo group courtesy and etiquette.


Bill recently said

> > > > > > > >

"Don't let that guy get you down. He has found ways to offend most of us
at one time or another."

> > > > > > > >

Well, I've certainly tried. I was surprised I didn't get kicked out of
the group for posting "A little cartoon (for 4-8-8-4 buyers)" in the
files section.

Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 58998 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Etiquette
I have a suggestion to all, as I never mention the person by name, as he felt he had to let us know who it was who wrote me after he read something that he thought was intended for him, as someone assume who he might of been who wrote me, as it was not the usual suspect.

If you have something to say to me or anyone else and you feel you can not put it on the list for all to see, then don't send it to that person.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 58999 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Messages Delivery
"To read the group messages I go to Yahoo Groups
This is the one and only way that I use the Yahoo groups. In addition to making it fast and easy to read the messages,
So what other ways are there to get the messages? I keep seeing people say just DELETE an offending message and move on. -
BG1"

I've always received posts through my e-mail. Well, I used to go to the Yahoo site YEARS ago and it was fine,
then, somewhere along the line, Yahoo made it difficult to read threads at the site, throwing in ads, etc ....
you couldn't do a simple "back button" technique ...... so I went back to receiving e-mails.
It appears that isn't a problem any longer. I still like the e-mail way ...... I LOVE the delete button!
I only go to the Yahoo site to look at photos. Same with my other Yahoo groups.

Rick " Celebrating 11 years on S-Trains" Evans

:^)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59000 From: michael prell Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Here's a thought!
Every Sunday evening at 8pm, this group hosts a Chat Room. Notice is given as to how to join in and it's really quite easy to join. If a caveman like me can do it, anyone can. The reason i bring this up is this. Lately there have been many topics that individuals really have not been able to resolve, or that feel further discussion is needed. As long as it's done in a civil manner, why not do it here. It's your chat room. Use it. It might be healthy and it might be beneficial.
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katina's, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59001 From: David Dewey Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Net Ettiquet & MS default choices.
Hi all,
Good info, and yes, those of us on "Digest" do have to scoll through, and sometimes can't find the new message for all the old stuff repeated. The problem lies with Microsoft's default email choices. In Outlook, go to "Tools" and when that drops down, go to "options" and then you have a bunch of folders, click on the "send" tab, and there you find a list of options for sending messages. UNCLICK the "include message in reply" and then you don't have all that baggage going out with your response. IF you want to include some of it for clarity, you can copy and paste it into your reply.
Believe me, for those of us on Digest AND on dial up, it will make life (at least the reading the list part) much easier--and faster!
Hope to catch some of you on Chat tonite! For now, it's off to work on a cloudy, drizzly day--but no snow!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59002 From: clayton deich Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Carl, that looks sweet!
 Clayton  Oregon

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower
To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:57 AM
















 









Here is my latest layout project.



http://www.tuveson com/coaling- tower/coaling- tower.htm



Carl




























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59003 From: Scale S Only Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Hi Carl --

The coal chute is inspiring. Been putting off that project for a couple of
years, but now maybe something will get done.

Thanks!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

Here is my latest layout project.
http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm
Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 59004 From: Nick Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Messages Delivery
Hi BG1,

So far I have not seen anyone answer your question on group message delivery. I will try to explain it for you.

When you originally subscribe to any group on Yahoogroups, you can select how you want to view your messages. To see your choices, click on "Edit Membership" at the top of the messages screen before you open a message. That will take you to a page where you can make all kinds of changes to your membership for that group.
One choice is to read messages on the list only.

Another is to have each individual message sent to your email address that you have given when you joined the list.

The other is to select a "daily digest" that will be sent to your email address. The digest is a group of new messages that have been posted for a day. I beleive the default is 25 messages per digest. If there is a lot of traffic you might get more than one digest per day.

The unfortunate part of digest mode is that when you hit reply on your home email, it sends back all 25 messages to the group and the subject line is just RE: Digest #xxxxx. Not real informative and a LOT of garbage that is irrelevant to the reply. One thing some folks forget is that there are still a few people with dial-up internet connections. When someone gets a message with 25 other messages imbedded into one email, it can create a problem for slow-speed connections until it is delivered.

I hope this information helps answer your question.

Regards,
Nick Kulp

>
> So what other ways are there to get the messages? I keep seeing people say just DELETE an offending message and move on. There is no DELETE function available the way I use. Just hit NEXT. Maybe if we understood what other people are doing we would understand why they get so fired up about this.
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59005 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Net Ettiquet & MS default choices.
Hi David,
 
Your message is very good and helpful. One small thing. If you do not have a POP3 email connection, you cannot use Outlook Express for yahoogroup emails. In that situation, the only thing to do is select all when you reply and start typing. It will erase the message body and only send your response. Just don't forget to change the subject line to accomodate the thread being discussed.
 
Respectfullly,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Good info, and yes, those of us on "Digest" do have to scoll through, and sometimes can't find the new message for all the old stuff repeated. The problem lies with Microsoft's default email choices. In Outlook, go to "Tools" and when that drops down, go to "options" and then you have a bunch of folders, click on the "send" tab, and there you find a list of options for sending messages. UNCLICK the "include message in reply" and then you don't have all that baggage going out with your response. IF you want to include some of it for clarity, you can copy and paste it into your reply.
  Believe me, for those of us on Digest AND on dial up, it will make life (at least the reading the list part) much easier--and faster!
  Hope to catch some of you on Chat tonite! For now, it's off to work on a cloudy, drizzly day--but no snow!
S'
David D.
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59006 From: Dave Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: #24331 KARO SYRUP
Although AMERICAN FLYER never produced a KARO SYRUP tank car in anything else other than "HO" scale we have produced a decal set for "S" scale AF tank cars featuring #24331 "KARO SYRUP" that has been sized up from "HO" sale to "S" scale. The price is $6.99 per set which includes USPS FIRST CLASS shipping. A 3 car set of these decals (#24331,332 & 333) may be purchased for a very short time for $18.00 which also includes shipping.
Dave

LBR RESTORATIONS U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 59007 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday February 7, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59008 From: George Cohn Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Repairing Plastics
I'm curious what other folks have been able to do to repair broken
mounting points on original AF steam engines?

The plastic seems to be a thermoplastic and will melt but I haven't
found a good material to build up broken nounting posts.

Does anyone know what the type of plastic used was? I have looked at
various plastic repair websites but they seem to be aimed at repairing
plastic automotive parts.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59009 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Nice Carl...
Steve


In a message dated 02/07/2010 9:03:43 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
carl@... writes:




Here is my latest layout project.

_http://www.tuveson.http://www.thttp://www.tuvhttp://ww_
(http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm)

Carl




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59010 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
George,

You can see how I repair broken engine mounts at this gallery:

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126

I haven't found time to add comments to all of the photos, but the repair is made using JB Weld and a plastic straw to repair the mounting post. Then it is drilled and a self tapping screw is used to set the threads.

It's an easy repair!

Good luck.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious what other folks have been able to do to repair broken
> mounting points on original AF steam engines?
>
> The plastic seems to be a thermoplastic and will melt but I haven't
> found a good material to build up broken nounting posts.
>
> Does anyone know what the type of plastic used was? I have looked at
> various plastic repair websites but they seem to be aimed at repairing
> plastic automotive parts.
>
> George Cohn
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59011 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Oil Drum Loader on an outside curve
hey wayne, thanks for the confirmation. i have already moved an offending bridge abutment so i have room to adjust the location of the loader. very close to hanging over, which it cannot do as there is a large barrier for the plexiglas that keeps the kids from touching the trains. will wire it up and check operation before screwing it down. sure have enjoyed your 'youtube' videos also, dale

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote:
>
> Dale,
>
> Placing an oil drum loader on an outside curve does work. Even though the accessory itself is about 8 or 9 inches long, the point where the loading is done is very minimul. That point should be near the track. The rest can be away from the track. I have done this several times on curves and it works fine. The only thing you may have to be careful about is, if this is on the corner of the layout, make sure it does not hang over the edge. Good luck and keep having fun.
>
> Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 59012 From: David Dewey Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Coaling Tower
Wow, another neat project from Carl. I showed his BB video to some non-train folks, and they were impressed with his layout (who isn't?). You keep raising the bar Carl, and I don't like heights!! :)
Is the coaling chute remotely controlled?
And I am really impressed with your smooth trackwork--the video from a camera mounted on the tender of a parallel running engine is so cool.
S'
DAvid D.
PS, I have to watch his videos from my work computer--I'm still on dial-up at home! (off hours & lunch time, of course!)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59013 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Carl & S-friends



Great build!



I don't want to start anything here - I know there is some disagreement
about this vendor. But, if you have room for a second coaling tower on your
layout and want to have a bit of variety, here is a link to a laser cut
topper for this Plasticville kit. It changes the orientation of the roof
line 90 degrees.



http://www.micromark.com/OandS-SCALE-COALING-TOWER-TOPPER-KIT,9128.html



Enjoy!



Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@...

S/Sn42, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler

Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan

Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast



NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford
one!





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of carl@...
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:58 AM
To: STrains
Subject: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower

Here is my latest layout project.

http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm

Carl



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59014 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
George,

In going through some older posts this weekend, I came across a comment that flyer plastic indeed doesn't respond well to various styrene solvents. That is probably because they were made of a combination of different plastic material.

Have you considered building up the mounting post with a two part epoxy I'm sure others in this group have tackled this problem in the past and may offer better solutions.

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 59015 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Replying to Messages or Tom is Corrrect
It is really quite easy to reply to a message without carrying the excess verbal baggage of repeated posts. Once you hit reply, do a right click... click on select all...another right click... and then click on delete. You are then ready to go with a blank canvas so to speak.

This would be really appreciated as like many I save the content of posts for future reference. Having a string of repeated messages is Both unnecessary and time consuming. This is particularly quite a pain when the original message is long. Such lengthy strings are also quite difficult to read as far as getting to the point of a reply.

At times it is true and also appropriate that we quote or reference what was said for clarity. Also, I fully understand that we live in a high speed shot gun computer age where speed seems to be the rule, but a bit of consideration for others would indeed be most appreciated.

I for one agree with and ask that we honor Tom's request.

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 59016 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Very nice! I'm assuming this started out as an "O" gauge kit, correct? I'm particularly interested in the GOW lights and fixtures you made, as they are much better than what I've tried to cobble together for yard buildings, etc. You say you used shrink tubing and an eyelet. What keeps the "gooseneck" shape of the lamp stem, just the tubing? Also, is that the original shape of your eyelet, or did you have to alter it? Again, great job and very creative.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:57:37 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower






Here is my latest layout project.

http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm

Carl



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59017 From: sgaugian Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Nice. How did they work in real life? Was coal dumped into a pit
beneath the track running under the tower, conveyed up a shaft from the
pit, stored up top, and then dispensed out the other side? Never seen
one in action.

Shovel all the coal in,

Gotta keep 'em rollin'.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59018 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Check the archives. IIRC, there was an article or post in the past
suggesting using JB Weld (not JB Kwik) poured into a plastic soda straw used
as a mold. I haven't done that specific repair, but JB Weld is
indestructible when cured and can be sawn and drilled just like brass stock.
Probably could be machined if needed.



Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@...

S/Sn42, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler

Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan

Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast



NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford
one!





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of George Cohn
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:02 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing Plastics



I'm curious what other folks have been able to do to repair broken
mounting points on original AF steam engines?

The plastic seems to be a thermoplastic and will melt but I haven't
found a good material to build up broken nounting posts.

Does anyone know what the type of plastic used was? I have looked at
various plastic repair websites but they seem to be aimed at repairing
plastic automotive parts.

George Cohn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59019 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
George,

I've used JB Weld for many plastic repairs as well. When I have an Identical spare in good shape I often make a "mold" of it by pressing modeling clay around the good part. Then I put the piece with the clay in the freezer to harden it up a bit. I take it from the freezer and release the clay from the original and now position it on the broken piece. Fill with JBW, let it harden, remove the clay mold and drill, sand, and file until satisfied... Hit it with a little paint and away you go....

Mark Anderman



From: "George Cohn" <gwcohn@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing Plastics






I'm curious what other folks have been able to do to repair broken
mounting points on original AF steam engines?


George Cohn



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59020 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Gene Cimino wrote:
>
>
> George,
>
> In going through some older posts this weekend, I came across a comment
> that flyer plastic indeed doesn't respond well to various styrene
> solvents. That is probably because they were made of a combination of
> different plastic material.
>
> Have you considered building up the mounting post with a two part epoxy
> I'm sure others in this group have tackled this problem in the past and
> may offer better solutions.

I tried a two part epoxy made for plastic using the soda straw
technique. One post came out OK but the other one fell off without much
effort. I suspect the epoxy sometimes doesn't bond well to soft
plastics. I had thoroughly cleaned the shell by washing it with dish
detergent and water and drying it carefully to remove all grease and dirt.

J-B weld is basically another type of epoxy but I haven't tried it yet.

I did find one blog where someone used the soda straw technique but used
a casting resin called Alumilite. I may look into that as well but
even the small sample kit costs $30 with shipping. I notice that
Michaels, the craft store chain also carries casting resin but I haven't
checked it out yet.

There is another kit I saw that welds plastic using a tool similar to a
soldering iron that is used for repairing various type of plastics on
automobiles but I don't think it would be suitable for fine detail like
on a flyer shell.

I have at least a half dozen steamers that have broken front mounting
posts so I want to try to find something that will make a reasonably
permanent repair.

Whatever method I use, I will probably carefully drill the holes and tap
them using a small tap so the screw will not break the repair. I've
restored full sized cars so I know a lot of techniques for repairing
things, but this one has me stumped in finding something that will bond
to the plastic. ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59021 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
It is a O-S Plasticville coaling tower that really was too small for O and just about right for S.
Even in S gauge it is not a big tower more of a branch line size.

The lights are made from the eyelet part of fabric rivets. You can use as is but I did reshape them a bit making the bell a little deeper.

I have more rivets and GOW bulbs coming (e-bay) and am going to use them to light my roundhouse interior.

The goose neck is heatshrink tubing you put a bend into while still hot from shrinking and it will stay in that shape.
I did a coat with CA glue to give it a little more satbility and painted. The smaller the wires on the bulbs the better looking the gooseneck will be.


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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jimensign50@...
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:25 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower



Very nice! I'm assuming this started out as an "O" gauge kit, correct? I'm particularly interested in the GOW lights and fixtures you made, as they are much better than what I've tried to cobble together for yard buildings, etc. You say you used shrink tubing and an eyelet. What keeps the "gooseneck" shape of the lamp stem, just the tubing? Also, is that the original shape of your eyelet, or did you have to alter it? Again, great job and very creative.
Jim E.

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From: carl@...
To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:57:37 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower

Here is my latest layout project.

http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59022 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
Thanks David,

I thought about making the cute servo controlled.

Maybe someday?

Carl


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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
David Dewey
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:04 AM
To: s-trains list
Subject: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower



Wow, another neat project from Carl. I showed his BB video to some
non-train folks, and they were impressed with his layout (who isn't?). You
keep raising the bar Carl, and I don't like heights!! :)
Is the coaling chute remotely controlled?
And I am really impressed with your smooth trackwork--the video from a
camera mounted on the tender of a parallel running engine is so cool.
S'
DAvid D.
PS, I have to watch his videos from my work computer--I'm still on dial-up
at home! (off hours & lunch time, of course!)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59023 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
That is pretty much how they worked.
I remember one that was on the B&O I used to walk down to when I was a kid.
It was a cement one and was huge.

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of sgaugian
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:25 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Coaling Tower




Nice. How did they work in real life? Was coal dumped into a pit
beneath the track running under the tower, conveyed up a shaft from the
pit, stored up top, and then dispensed out the other side? Never seen
one in action.

Shovel all the coal in,

Gotta keep 'em rollin'.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59024 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Coaling Tower
I thought about using the Tower Topper but wanted to get this done ASAP.

Like you say maybe the next one I do or I can add it later.

Carl
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Don & Marsha Munsey Jr
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:32 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower



Carl & S-friends

Great build!

I don't want to start anything here - I know there is some disagreement
about this vendor. But, if you have room for a second coaling tower on
your
layout and want to have a bit of variety, here is a link to a laser cut
topper for this Plasticville kit. It changes the orientation of the roof
line 90 degrees.

http://www.micromark.com/OandS-SCALE-COALING-TOWER-TOPPER-KIT,9128.html

Enjoy!

Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@...

S/Sn42, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler

Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan

Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast

NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford
one!

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of carl@...
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:58 AM
To: STrains
Subject: [S-Trains] Coaling Tower

Here is my latest layout project.

http://www.tuveson.com/coaling-tower/coaling-tower.htm

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59025 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
Please note: message attached

There are several reasons that screw post holes broke out.
1. They were torqued down too hard by the electric screwdrivers that Gilbert used, along with the self-tapping screws, which cracked the mounting post right from the start.

2. Smoke fluid also attacked the plastic itself, making a bad situation worse (hey,we're talking 50+years here) especially when it worked its way into the cracks caused by those electric screwdrivers. Take note that generally, non-smoke equipped plastic engines (301, 307, 287), don't commonly suffer from this malady.

How to Fix this?

First, all that old smoke fluid, lube oil, etc. has to be removed. I recommend a thorough cleaning in a detergent such as Dawn, then a thorough rinse. No glue of any kind will stick to oil!

Then, drill out the hole for the appropriate size Plastruct tubing, then make sure the tubing is the right length and square. You need a solid foundation for that mounting screw, and I don't believe that the straw and epoxy method is strong enough to do the job. Then glue with JB Weld epoxy or a good thickened cyanoacrylate glue. Make sure that the hole in the Plastruct tubing is the proper size so you don't break it out the way Gilbert did 'way back then.

Steve
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59026 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
I've been down this trail several times rebuilding junkers. There are different methods that will work...up to a point. Making a duplicate post with a soda straw is one, but it doesn't always work as well as making a larger, stronger post.
A bigger, ugly, non-original looking mounting post gives more strength through mass, if nothing else. I have used Plastruct tubing for the actual post, sometimes telescoping one size over another, then epoxied it to the shell. If you can, drill and tap the post BEFORE trying to attach it to the shell.
The Gilbert plastic is of a different formula as later styrene plastics, and seems not to allow good bonding with modern formulas. However, I found that sanding or grinding roughness into the shell to give a good surface for the epoxies to "grip" helps a lot.
However, I've found that re-breaking repaired locomotive posts will always be a problem. In handling the repaired loco, the weight of the chassis always strains the post in the shell. Cars don't have the same problem due to there being no heavy chassis to deal with.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59027 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
We have been using "PLASTIC WELDER" by Devcon (product # S-220/22045) as a repair for AF plastics. It actually welds (melts) the plastic and can also be tapped with a thread tapping tool which makes a better mount than the original. It also can be used on the AF metals to replace steps on the castings.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59028 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote:
>
>
> We have been using "PLASTIC WELDER" by Devcon (product # S-220/22045) as
> a repair for AF plastics. It actually welds (melts) the plastic and can
> also be tapped with a thread tapping tool which makes a better mount
> than the original. It also can be used on the AF metals to replace steps
> on the castings.

Interesting. It says it's for "thermosetting" plastics which are
usually the hard plastics but doesn't mention the styrenes.

I'll have to see if I can find some. The local Ace Hardware doesn't
have it as that's where I got the "plastic epoxy" I tried.

I also need to check out some of the hobby shops for styrene tubing and
testors 3502 as some folks have reported good results with that as well.

I've been meaning to get my layout back up for the last year and have
just been doing little repair jobs up until now. Once I get some of the
rolling stock repaired I'll hit it with a vengeance and post some photos.

I'm also building a relay board to use in setting up some automatic
switching using reed relays under the track and a magnet on the locomotive.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59029 From: sgaugian Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: A couple of Big Boy measures taken
Here are a few things I did recently on my Big Boy. Two to avoid having
to send it back. One for grins.

1) Chuff and Puff started skipping - - instead of one fiber washer
under the bracket for the cherry switch I found a stack of four smaller
OD thinner fiber washers. The bracket was tilted with that stack
underneath it. I tried the correct replacement part (a larger OD,
0.075" thick fiber washer) from Lionel. The bracket leveled off,
but got no chuff or puff at all. I made the washer thinner and once at
0.05125" thick, the chuff and puff work normally. BTW, that
original stack of four smaller OD thinner washers totaled about the same
thickness. Maybe someone at the factory discovered something and tried
improvising.

2) Back up LED burnt out - - I ordered a replacement from Lionel.
Installed it, and so far so good. Hopefully it was just a bad white LED
and I won't have to replace it any more than once. I also added a
10K resistor in-line with the 2 red markers per Carl T. They look
better.

3) Added a metal washer atop both cab support posts - - helped
level off the shell some. About ½ the needed difference to be truly
level, but a bit less noticeable now. Any more added and you'll see
the chassis too much out from under the shell.

Still glad I bought one - - a ton of fun to run, especially with Legacy
and a string of box cars in tow. BTW, the Lionel site is vastly
improved in terms of finding and ordering parts for the Big Boy. Check
it out - - photos of individual parts, and assemblies with parts
numbered. Shipping was very fast too - - arrived 2-3 days later. Not
sure about for other earlier engines, but at least for this beast
it's quite good. I will try looking up parts for other engines when
I get the chance. Maybe they've upgraded their parts info as well.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59030 From: sgaugian Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: A couple of Big Boy measures taken
I forgot to mention that getting to the cherry switch and removing it is
not all that difficult. Remove the shell. Unplug the marker lights
plug (blue) and the antenna plug (white) from the right side of the rear
board. Unscrew the rear truck's forward and rear swivel-motion limiting
screws - - gently part the fore and aft wire harnesses to gain access
to the each screw, then come down from the top with a small Philips head
screwdriver. Be sure to get the small washer that goes with each screw.
Gently kick the back of the rear power truck out toward the engineer's
side of the engine. You'll see the cherry switch and the one screw
(Philips head) that holds the bracket in place. Remove the screw.
Gently lift up and swing out the cherry switch also toward the
engineer's side of the engine. You'll see the fiber washer (or washers
lif it's ike mine originally) under the cherry switch bracket. I
actually changed out the cherry switch until I discovered it was really
an issue of height and orientation relative to the 4-lobe cam on that
driver's axle than a problem with the cherry switch.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59031 From: Scale S Only Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Hi George --

I am not a AF guy, but I have been known to "scale" AF cars. The 1950's plastic is very strange by today's standards, but I have found that Plastruct's Plastic Weld for ABS (orange label, not white) works reasonably well. DO NOT get it on the outside of the model, as it will truly mess it up.

Have fun!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Repairing plastics



Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote:
>
>
> We have been using "PLASTIC WELDER" by Devcon (product # S-220/22045) as
> a repair for AF plastics. It actually welds (melts) the plastic and can
> also be tapped with a thread tapping tool which makes a better mount
> than the original. It also can be used on the AF metals to replace steps
> on the castings.

Interesting. It says it's for "thermosetting" plastics which are
usually the hard plastics but doesn't mention the styrenes.

I'll have to see if I can find some. The local Ace Hardware doesn't
have it as that's where I got the "plastic epoxy" I tried.

I also need to check out some of the hobby shops for styrene tubing and
testors 3502 as some folks have reported good results with that as well.

I've been meaning to get my layout back up for the last year and have
just been doing little repair jobs up until now. Once I get some of the
rolling stock repaired I'll hit it with a vengeance and post some photos.

I'm also building a relay board to use in setting up some automatic
switching using reed relays under the track and a magnet on the locomotive.

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59032 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Bill,

That glue sounds good for me, as I am the master of messing things up. LOL JUST KIDDING.

Hey, I even cleared out the emails this was attached to please all my digest friends.

using plaststrut to attached the wedding veil to the back stop now.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59033 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
After I wrote this, I thought I had the cap on the glue but it was not screwed on.

I knocked it over, but I did not lose that much.

I have been working on this project for some time and I was waiting for this to happen.

No other damage as I had lots of newspaper down on the workbench.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59034 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/8/2010
Subject: Re: Replying to Messages or Tom is Corrrect
To all members of this group: While I'm sure most of you as well as the moderators would like to see this subject go away, I want to be clear. My comments today were not intended to take sides with any one person or persons. I was simply stating how I too feel regarding run on replies.

Thanks Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 59035 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: PRR Budd Cars Price Change
Okay. Everyone wants a bargain. This is it. A $319.95 set of Budd Cars for $200.



For sale. One highly unusual set of Am. Models' Pennsylvania RR Budd Cars. These cars are finished in Am. Models' three-step chroming process, a finish that is no longer offered for PRR by Am. Models. The cars include #1102 Baggage/RPO Combine, #4002 Coach, #1155 Diner and #1126 OBS/Lounge, all with fully-lighted interiors. Front and rear, all four cars are outfitted with body-mounted Kadee 802s with the eight original AM talgo-mount couplers in the box. Wheel sets are flanged for scale operation so these, as configured, will probably not negotiate AF switches. Test run only. Beautiful to behold in a night scene with light streaming through the windows while street lights and RR signal lights reflect off the gorgeous chrome exterior. $250 including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Off-list responses only. On-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff
cujoacat@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59036 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Kansas City area train show Feb. 21, 2010
Just a quick mention that we have a model train show (Mid-America Train and Toy Show) coming up here in the Kansas City area on Sunday, February 21st. 9AM to 2 PM at the BTC Exhibit Hall, I435 & Front Street (1775 Universal Avenue, Kansas City, Missouri).

I have no connection with the show but I am ready for some serious hunting for some Marx, Lionel and American Flyer goodies! Missed the last two and I am feeling seriously deprived of train 'goodness'.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 59037 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Passenger Station Question
Hi All,

The "mat" that goes inside the passenger station - where the passengers go up and down the ramp - is too short on my station. The entire piece looks to be less than 1/2 inch wide and maybe 8 inches long. My piece is not long enough by about 1/2 inch. I don't want to try placing a little filler piece in and would like to replace the entire strip. What is a good replacement material for this "mat"?

The passengers scurry around the platform but if they go down stairs they never come back - lol.

Thanks for any advice!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59038 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger Station Question
The idea behind this station is really neat. But I never found it to
operate well. And I never liked the short New Haven style coaches. So I sold
mine years ago and have never been tempted to replace it.

I would love to be able to design a station with moving people with more of
a scale-look but never have come up with such a plan. Moving people would
not necessarily have to involve entering and exiting a railroad car though
to add a lot to the scene.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 2/9/2010 10:22:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:




Hi All,

The "mat" that goes inside the passenger station - where the passengers go
up and down the ramp - is too short on my station. The entire piece looks
to be less than 1/2 inch wide and maybe 8 inches long. My piece is not long
enough by about 1/2 inch. I don't want to try placing a little filler
piece in and would like to replace the entire strip. What is a good replacement
material for this "mat"?

The passengers scurry around the platform but if they go down stairs they
never come back - lol.

Thanks for any advice!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59039 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger Station Question
Maybe they just bought a one-way ticket ?!?!? I had good luck making a mat for my stock yard using shelf liner mat I bought at Lowes. It's a thick (1/16" ?) black mat, sold in a roll, and doesn't adhere to the metal base. Look in the kitchen supply area with towel racks, spice racks, etc. I also used a strip of it to cover the deck of an old trestle bridge that was very rusty. Looks very nice, deadens or dampens the sound, and, best of all, it's inexpensive.
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 8:44:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger Station Question






Hi All,

The "mat" that goes inside the passenger station - where the passengers go up and down the ramp - is too short on my station. The entire piece looks to be less than 1/2 inch wide and maybe 8 inches long. My piece is not long enough by about 1/2 inch. I don't want to try placing a little filler piece in and would like to replace the entire strip. What is a good replacement material for this "mat"?

The passengers scurry around the platform but if they go down stairs they never come back - lol.

Thanks for any advice!

BG1




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59040 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: An interesting toy train layout photo from 1925 in High resolution.
A website I often go to has an interesting photo today of a 1925 vintage toy train layout of some size. Anyone know what these trains are. Standard gage maybe?

http://www.shorpy.com/node/7676

Chuck Harrington

http://www.myflyertrains.org
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59041 From: michael prell Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger Station Question
BG,
I'd check with Doug Peck. He carries the mat material for the stock yard. He might have what you need. Good hunting.
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger Station Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 10:44 AM


 



Hi All,

The "mat" that goes inside the passenger station - where the passengers go up and down the ramp - is too short on my station. The entire piece looks to be less than 1/2 inch wide and maybe 8 inches long. My piece is not long enough by about 1/2 inch. I don't want to try placing a little filler piece in and would like to replace the entire strip. What is a good replacement material for this "mat"?

The passengers scurry around the platform but if they go down stairs they never come back - lol.

Thanks for any advice!

BG1











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59042 From: Steven Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Back drops
So on with the planning of my room and layout.
Anyone have input on good back drops? There were not many (one) that I saw at the train show, and it was not all that nice.

I know I could not paint one myself. My layout will be up against both flat and slanted walls.

Thanks
Stryker
Group: S-Trains Message: 59043 From: michael prell Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Steve, Try this.
http://www.sceniking.com/catalogue.htm

 Good luck. Mike
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Steven <stryker_rulz07@...> wrote:


From: Steven <stryker_rulz07@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Back drops
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:59 PM


 



So on with the planning of my room and layout.
Anyone have input on good back drops? There were not many (one) that I saw at the train show, and it was not all that nice.

I know I could not paint one myself. My layout will be up against both flat and slanted walls.

Thanks
Stryker











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59044 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/9/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Hi Steven,

I have posted notes a few times recently on this subject. Please take a
look at my personal web page (http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_2.htm)
to see my use of some backdrops from Sceniking, Walther's and Faller.
Sadly, I have no financial involvement in any of them.

Good Luck,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


So on with the planning of my room and layout.
Anyone have input on good back drops? There were not many (one) that I
saw at the train show, and it was not all that nice.

I know I could not paint one myself. My layout will be up against both
flat and slanted walls.

Thanks
Stryker
Group: S-Trains Message: 59045 From: John Metzger Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: An interesting toy train layout photo from 1925 in High resoluti
When you open up the hppt site, on the left side of the screen is a collum for viewing more articles. Read some of them. In those articles it states that he rim self built all of the layout and trains himself. They are two rail about the size of standard gauge. You need to research these articles more to understand both the man and his trains.   John Metzger,RN 




________________________________
From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 3:40:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] An interesting toy train layout photo from 1925 in High resolution.

 
A website I often go to has an interesting photo today of a 1925 vintage toy train layout of some size. Anyone know what these trains are. Standard gage maybe?

http://www.shorpy com/node/ 7676

Chuck Harrington

http://www.myflyertrains.org
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59046 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Passenger Station Question
I haven't actually tried it, but it seems to me that weed paper would work well. It is usually black and sold in huge rolls in the garden center of your local Lowe's or Home Depot. The material seems akin to the original mat material from Glibert. Seems it would be worth a try...

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59047 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
On the Scneniking Backdrops, how much larger by proportion are the ones for larger scales when compared to the ones for HO?

Thanks, gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 59048 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Hi Gene,

I cannot say for sure because I have not bought Sceniking backdrops for
HO to compare. I can say that the S-Sized ones I bought have details
that are somewhat larger than the Walther's Instant Horizons. Since many
of the objects are at differing distances from the original camera, I
see no way to make a simple comparison. There are also some items such
as automobiles that were not part of the original photograph.

For my use, I found that the two types could easily blend in a
foreground and background configuration and the same thing is true of
the purely scenic backdrops such as those from Faller. The smaller
structures in the Walther's product look good if placed above and behind
those from Sceniking. There is a lot of perspective going on.

If your hope is to cut out the buildings and make your own structures
with shallow depth, the buildings in the foreground would work well for
S and be a little too big for most HO.

Reply from Bill Porter
----------------------------------------------------------
On the SceniKing Backdrops, how much larger by proportion are the ones
for larger scales when compared to the ones for HO?

Thanks, gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 59049 From: Gary Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC for conventional locos
You don't need the command control to operate yor trains. Only if your going to hook up a track accesorry switch or something like that. I started using this on my conv. loco's about 3 months ago and love the remote control aspect. I have a powermaster for each track or block. I also control all my accesorries with an SC-2 and my remote.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote:
>
> Tim, I forgot to check the part # of the powermaster but I think you have it all listed correctly.No connection between base & powermaster.I have 2 older # power masters (135 watts) with the adapter cables ,one new in box, that I would sell for 35.oo each with cables.I have a Legacey cab 2 & it does not talk to the power masters so I will have to by some of the newer track controlers.You won't regrett going TMCC !!! Bob Guckian Eaton,Oh
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@> wrote:
> >
> > I am about ready to take the plunge so can I ask the TMCC experts one more question?
> >
> > To control conventional engines with TMCC requires:
> >
> > a power supply like a 30B
> > Cab 1 (part# 12868)
> > Command Base (part# 12911)
> > Powermaster (part# 24130)
> > Power adaptor cable (part# 12893)
> >
> > Right? What about a cable between the Command Base and the Powermaster?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim Benner
> > Dayton, Ohio
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59050 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/10/2010
Subject: For Sale...
For sale, one 1999 S Fest Meet car, three-bay covered hopper, tagged for Monsanto Chemicals #48215, AF-compatible wheels and couplers, New In Box, $55 + $5 s&h. Originally $85. Even original cardboard packing carton included, opened. Off-list replies only.
Gerry Evans
cujoacat@...
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59051 From: navmedguy Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: The Great Switch Machine
S-gaugers,

Is the tortoise Switch Machine universally loved? hated? ... evocative
of vague ambivalence?

Is there a favorite switch machine for the group? If so, what are the
pros/cons?

Thanks

Dr Y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59052 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Contact
Mike M., did my "off-list" message come through? Charlie, in West Michigan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59053 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Thanks Bill,

Actually, you gave me quite a bit of information.What you describe is exactly my intention. I would indeed like to achieve forced perspective by using both the Walther's and Sceniking material.It was a bit frustrating as the 'SK' web site doesn't show any examples of their S product. I may indeed have missed it.

It's interesting that you should mention using the smaller proportion images higher up in a scene. I just read that in a book on drawing that smaller images are best placed not only in the background, but slightly elevated. For some reason, that fools the eye by increasing the illusion of depth.

Thanks so much, I will have a look at what's available.

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 59054 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine
Because the president of our club used the tortoise on his layout and was happy with it, we used it on our club modules.  We have been quite happy with them.  No problems.


--- On Wed, 2/10/10, navmedguy <navmedguy@...> wrote:

From: navmedguy <navmedguy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] The Great Switch Machine
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 8:18 PM







 











S-gaugers,



Is the tortoise Switch Machine universally loved? hated? ... evocative

of vague ambivalence?



Is there a favorite switch machine for the group? If so, what are the

pros/cons?



Thanks



Dr Y

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59055 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine
I love them because:
[1] They are reliable
[2] Since they work on DC, it is easy to wire a DPDT switch to throw
them
[3] That same DC that powers the switch can power LED indicators and
signals.
[4] There are extra contacts (a built in DPDT) for power routing or
additional signaling. At one time I wired the local block signals to
these contacts. Then, the indicators were delayed a bit during the
switching process. When the points were in place, the lights showed the
right thing. That was extra fun.
[5] The linkage is adjustable out of the box and can be beefed up easily
when required.

Good Luck,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

----------------------------------------------------------

S-gaugers,

Is the tortoise Switch Machine universally loved? hated? ... evocative
of vague ambivalence?

Is there a favorite switch machine for the group? If so, what are the
pros/cons?

Thanks

Dr Y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59056 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Back drops
Hi Gene,

Les Mayor at SceniKing has a collection of papers that make up a catalog
for the larger scales including S. On his site, he identifies which of
the patterns are suitable for S or O or G. Since the subject matter is
the same, you can get a pretty good idea just by looking at the generic
pictures. Or, you can request his catalog.

Good Luck,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

---------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks Bill,

Actually, you gave me quite a bit of information.What you describe is
exactly my intention. I would indeed like to achieve forced perspective
by using both the Walther's and Sceniking material.It was a bit
frustrating as the 'SK' web site doesn't show any examples of their S
product. I may indeed have missed it.

It's interesting that you should mention using the smaller proportion
images higher up in a scene. I just read that in a book on drawing that
smaller images are best placed not only in the background, but slightly
elevated. For some reason, that fools the eye by increasing the illusion
of depth.

Thanks so much, I will have a look at what's available.

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 59057 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: New Building
I have another new building on the layout.
It is a REA warehouse built from a K-Line Ford factory kit.

Details at:
http://www.tuveson.com/rea-warehouse/rea-warehouse.htm

Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 59058 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Double length #571 style pony truss bridge
As part of a very large donation of AF items the Central Railway Museum received a bridge i cannot find listed in Greenberg or Doyle. it consists of a black painted deck very slightly narrower than my 571, with bent up sides just like my 571, unmarked, and 4 unpainted black AF trusses, professionally bolted to the deck. we are hoping this is a prototype or some other valuable piece, but it may merely be a nice homemade piece. before we butcher it as we can only use single lengths on our curves, we are asking if anyone can identify this item. dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59059 From: Rhett George Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: An interesting toy train layout photo from 1925
- GreetingS -

Thanks to Chuck for bringing our attention to a photo of an 85 year old
layout. It demonstrates just how far the quest for realism has come.

One of the aids to model railroading (as opposed to toy trains) was the
availability of somewhat realistic models, just waiting to be rebuilt.
The first effort was to get rid of the center rail. third rail. Either
the railroad was built with an outside third rail, a third rail in form
of studs (a la Marklin), or two rail with insulated tires on one side.
I believe that is what is seen here. In the clip from a newspaper or
magazine it is noted that the railroad is built to a scale of one-fourth
inch to the foot, thus settling that question.

One passenger car has good-looking truck side frames. The ob has perhaps
different trucks. The fireman's side of the near loco is decorated with
a single cylinder water pump but the water inlet seems to be in the smoke-
box. Note that this loco has a rectangular tender whereas the one next
to the water tank has a Vanderbilt tender. Maybe big "L" had Vanderbilts
in its 0-gauge line. Something resembling gears or brush holders can be
seen between the drivers.

This looks like good history stuff. Thanks, Chuck.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 59060 From: grant Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Success! and failure...
Last year I was given a large custom built turntable and roundhouse by a friend of mine's family since he had passed away. It was O scale besides being humongous and not easily integrated into my layout.

Yesterday I finally got everything working and I got a train to move successfully from the bridge to one of the spurs.....on the 2nd trial!
The 1st trial the SW9 S helper stopped with 2 wheels on the bridge and 2 o the spur. It didn't dawn on me something was wrong till smoke started to come from the SW9. That's when I realized the polarities were reversed on the track......oh well
Grant
Group: S-Trains Message: 59061 From: biew19 Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: sliver bullet voltage?
I have a Sliver Bullet and I am trying to find out it is ac or dc and what is the range that it needs to run. I have a old transformer American Flyer but not shore if it is putting out the right voltage. When I put power to the engine the tender hums but nothing at the engine.
Thanks
Joe the (dummy)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59062 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Carl,

I like what you did to this building and it gave me some ideas for the one I've been working on. Did you do anything to the sliding doors in the back?

Jim


From: carl@...
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:47 AM
To: STrains
Subject: [S-Trains] New Building



I have another new building on the layout.
It is a REA warehouse built from a K-Line Ford factory kit.

Details at:
http://www.tuveson.com/rea-warehouse/rea-warehouse.htm

Carl




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59063 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Jim,

The sliding doors are oversized especially the rollers but I have not found
a repacement yet.
Cutting the roller hangers off and gluing the doors in place would probably
help.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Jim Hannawald
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Building



Carl,

I like what you did to this building and it gave me some ideas for the one
I've been working on. Did you do anything to the sliding doors in the back?

Jim

From: carl@...
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:47 AM
To: STrains
Subject: [S-Trains] New Building

I have another new building on the layout.
It is a REA warehouse built from a K-Line Ford factory kit.

Details at:
http://www.tuveson.com/rea-warehouse/rea-warehouse.htm

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59064 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Zippy again!
http://www.newsok.com/entertainment/comics?feature_id=Zippy_the_Pinhead&feature_date=2010-02-10

It took Joseph Lechner and Bill Zide, who I got hooked on Zippy, as they get the comic, like me, emailed.

I was too busy shoveling snow and being sick with a stomach virus at the same time, 48 inches of snow removed, to notice my daily Zippy's.

He mentions Plasticville in the third frame, as I think since my Nov. 4th Plasticville Frosty Bar, he must have Plasticville on the mind.

In writing to Bill Griffith, as I do from time to time, as I am the owner of a Zippy the Pinhead Yahoo group, LOL, I sent him some pictures of my layout as it has plasticville on it.

He wrote back that as a kid he had trains and many buildings to make a miniature town.

I did not ask what kind of trains or buildings they where. But I am going to write him and ask.

I think it would be neat if Bill Griffith joined the TCA. Maybe Neil Young dropped out, as I do not see his name in the directory anymore, as I know you can opt of having your name in it, but I think Bill Griffith would be a fine replacement for a Neil Young. Besides, it would be a body that is paying his dues. wait, I might just offer to pay his dues. LOL NO ONE ELSE! LOL don't even ask.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59065 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing Plastics
David,

Another good tool to use with glue is a toothpick.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Repairing Plastics



George,

You can see how I repair broken engine mounts at this gallery:

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126

I haven't found time to add comments to all of the photos, but the repair is made using JB Weld and a plastic straw to repair the mounting post. Then it is drilled and a self tapping screw is used to set the threads.

It's an easy repair!

Good luck.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious what other folks have been able to do to repair broken
> mounting points on original AF steam engines?
>
> The plastic seems to be a thermoplastic and will melt but I haven't
> found a good material to build up broken nounting posts.
>
> Does anyone know what the type of plastic used was? I have looked at
> various plastic repair websites but they seem to be aimed at repairing
> plastic automotive parts.
>
> George Cohn
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59066 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Hi Joe,
Silver Bullet Locomotive Factory Tested 12 Volts AC with Remote Control Unit at 12 Volts and not to draw more than 1.7 Amps.  Load: Not to draw more than 2.1 amps while pulling 4 box cars. Motor is Universal AC or DC.  Check your power source make sure you have a Lionel or American Flyer AC Transformer.  An HO power pack will not run the loco.
The only dumb question is the one thats never asked.  This is the right group to get your questions answered.
Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 2/11/10, biew19 <biew19@...> wrote:

From: biew19 <biew19@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] sliver bullet voltage?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 7:50 PM







 









I have a Sliver Bullet and I am trying to find out it is ac or dc and what is the range that it needs to run. I have a old transformer American Flyer but not shore if it is putting out the right voltage. When I put power to the engine the tender hums but nothing at the engine.

Thanks

Joe the (dummy)

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59067 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Carl,

Very nice looking building you upgraded on a K Line prodcut.

I think many know that I have painted many Plasticville items, including the world's famous Frosty Bar, that was featured on a Zippy comic last November. I know the NASG had that strip in the last magazine they sent out.

If any one needs a link to see the comic let me know.

I have a Plasticville barn that Grant Bishop's wife painted up real nice, as you can not tell it is Plasticville. They had no need for it, so they gave it to me, as that was very nice of them.

But Carl, do you have a before picture of your factory, as that would be neat to see side by side.

Also, what did you do to the building, as maybe you used brick paper on it.

This building I believe K Line copied from Plasticville as Plasticville had a factory just like that. I did not know that K line called this a Ford Factory.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59068 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Mike,

Good Idea, I will add the "before" pic to the page. I just found one.
I am not sure which year the Ford factory was cataloged but they are still
available.
There is a another version cataloged now too that is not the Ford version.
I do not know the history of the original dies but I suspect it as been
around for a long time as most Plasticville has.
It has a brick texture molded in. I just painted and weathered it and did a
few minor tweaks.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:00 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Building



Carl,

Very nice looking building you upgraded on a K Line prodcut.

I think many know that I have painted many Plasticville items, including
the world's famous Frosty Bar, that was featured on a Zippy comic last
November. I know the NASG had that strip in the last magazine they sent out.

If any one needs a link to see the comic let me know.

I have a Plasticville barn that Grant Bishop's wife painted up real nice,
as you can not tell it is Plasticville. They had no need for it, so they
gave it to me, as that was very nice of them.

But Carl, do you have a before picture of your factory, as that would be
neat to see side by side.

Also, what did you do to the building, as maybe you used brick paper on
it.

This building I believe K Line copied from Plasticville as Plasticville
had a factory just like that. I did not know that K line called this a Ford
Factory.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59069 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Joe,

A Silver Bullet will run on 7-15 volts AC. The motors will run on DC also but many DC power packs (like those for HO and N) will not provide the current needed. Your old American Flyer transformer should provide all the power the Silver Bullet needs.

If you hear the tender humming when you apply power you are hearing the reverse unit. But if no power is getting to the motor then the wiring may have come loose ot the reverse unit itself may need servicing. Those are both relatively easy fixes. On the other hand, you may want to turn the motor by hand and make sure it is not binding.

Does the engine's light com on when you apply power?

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 59070 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Emails
Well, I am trying to do my best for those on digest, as I am 1 for 2 tonight, as I am still sick with this virus and tired from shoveling.

I will let you know I contacted Tom Hawley off the list and said I was sorry for the spat we had and I hope we could be friends again.

He said yes, that would be great, as he sent me a picture from his train works, as I have not gotten back to writing him about the picture.

Life is too short for us to mad at one another, over a mis-understanding.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59071 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Emails
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
. . . . . . . .he sent me a picture from his train works, . . . . . . . . .
.
> > > > > > > >
I sent three. Scroll down. It's just more pictures of MTH Husky Stack cars
narrowed down. Should anyone else have such perverse interest, I'll be glad
to forward them.

Think Spring

tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 59072 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Your "old" Flyer transformer will run it just fine. The motor should run
anywhere from 6 to 17 volts. AC is the norm, although DC works OK too if the
power pack has enough uumph. The reason you hear a hum from the tender is
that the reverse unit in there is not functioning. Check the lever on the
bottom of it to see if it is in the "lock" position. If not, then it is most
likely the pawl that rotates the drum is stuck. It's an easy fix in any
case.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 02/11/2010 5:54:34 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
biew19@... writes:




I have a Sliver Bullet and I am trying to find out it is ac or dc and what
is the range that it needs to run. I have a old transformer American Flyer
but not shore if it is putting out the right voltage. When I put power to
the engine the tender hums but nothing at the engine.
Thanks
Joe the (dummy)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59073 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Fw: PLasticville
Mr. Griffith had HO train as a kid.

So I am sure he had Plasticville too.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...>
To: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: PLasticville


>I did have an H&O train set as a kid---toot! Toot!--Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 59074 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Charlie, email
Charlie.

I did send you a email, to your response on the S list, as I have been having email attacks from someone unwanted again, as I have been doing something with my email address, but I have not changed this yet.

And it is not the usual suspect.

Someone who hides behind fake email addresses from Poland, the country, seriously.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59075 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2010
Subject: Re: Emails
Tom,

Yes, you did send three very nice pictures of his work in S.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59076 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Fw: PLasticville
Thanks for letting me send this in and trying to have a little fun with a
comic strip.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: PLasticville


> Zippy is suppose to say 3 rail track, 3 rail track, 3 rail track.
>
> I challenge you to have a Zippy one day comparing 2 rail track to 3 rail
> track. LOL
>
> It might get some print sales. O:)!
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...>
> To: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: PLasticville
>
>
>> 3-track! 3-track!3-track!---BG
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59077 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine - for Custom Trax turnouts
Do any of you have Custom Trax turnouts on your layout? What switch
machines do you use and were they difficult to mount? I cannot see how I can
use the Tortoise on the Custom Trax.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 2/11/2010 10:44:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,
wpporter@... writes:




I love them because:
[1] They are reliable
[2] Since they work on DC, it is easy to wire a DPDT switch to throw
them
[3] That same DC that powers the switch can power LED indicators and
signals.
[4] There are extra contacts (a built in DPDT) for power routing or
additional signaling. At one time I wired the local block signals to
these contacts. Then, the indicators were delayed a bit during the
switching process. When the points were in place, the lights showed the
right thing. That was extra fun.
[5] The linkage is adjustable out of the box and can be beefed up easily
when required.

Good Luck,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

----------------------------------------------------------

S-gaugers,

Is the tortoise Switch Machine universally loved? hated? ... evocative
of vague ambivalence?

Is there a favorite switch machine for the group? If so, what are the
pros/cons?

Thanks

Dr Y





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59078 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Zippy on the train today
http://www.newsok.com/entertainment/comics?feature_id=Zippy_the_Pinhead&feature_date=2009-12-03

Today's Zippy is about Pittsburgh, as I only send this to the list, since I know many of you are from or live in Pittsburgh and they are on a train. Hit the zoom button above the comic.

Notice how he says things 3 times, like Bill Griffith did with me in a email about 3 track, which meant to be 3 rail track.

Zippy favorite state to be in it NJ, as he promised not to invade NJ if elected president, as NJ is the king of roadside diners. His next favorite place I think is Pittsburgh, PA.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59079 From: ctbigboy Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Backdrops
Group: S-Trains Message: 59080 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Fw: PLasticville
Ugh! even Bill Griffith has the three rail bug, as I did tell him that
Dingburg, MD his factious town must have 3 rail track to be politically
correct in a off beaten world.

Woe is me, as I had a weird dream about York.

I had a dream that most vendors at York where selling antiques now, like old
glass things from the 1920's and 30's and very little trains.

However, I did see one AF box that was for a 494/495 NH Diesel, that was
full of AF trestle pieces. The box was 15. marked down to 7.98 as I wanted
to know if he would take 5 for it, as I am not sure the answer. The box
is probably a bit rare, since the engines have a 4 rating out of 5, with 5
being the highest, in the Bubeck book. A 494/95 just sold on ebay with the
box and wraps, as this is a engine in E+ I got in Maine for a great price.

The whole dream was totally weird.

I am glad that Bill Griffith Loves 3 Track. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...>
To: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: PLasticville


> 3-track! 3-track!3-track!---BG
Group: S-Trains Message: 59081 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Hey Guys and GAL.... Don't you just love those dreams.... Where you go into an old store.... And in a room you find ALL KINDS OF FLYER BOXED SETS!!! And the prices!!!! Or the guy at the flea market.... OR! OR! OR!.....I have had these dreams many times... Wonder if its Chineese or Mexican that triggers them??? Bob Conner

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 10:01 AM


 



Ugh! even Bill Griffith has the three rail bug, as I did tell him that
Dingburg, MD his factious town must have 3 rail track to be politically
correct in a off beaten world.

Woe is me, as I had a weird dream about York.

I had a dream that most vendors at York where selling antiques now, like old
glass things from the 1920's and 30's and very little trains.

However, I did see one AF box that was for a 494/495 NH Diesel, that was
full of AF trestle pieces. The box was 15. marked down to 7.98 as I wanted
to know if he would take 5 for it, as I am not sure the answer. The box
is probably a bit rare, since the engines have a 4 rating out of 5, with 5
being the highest, in the Bubeck book. A 494/95 just sold on ebay with the
box and wraps, as this is a engine in E+ I got in Maine for a great price.

The whole dream was totally weird.

I am glad that Bill Griffith Loves 3 Track. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@zippythepinh ead.com>
To: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: PLasticville

> 3-track! 3-track!3-track! ---BG








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Group: S-Trains Message: 59082 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Bob,

I am glad you like my dream, but however since I put it on the TCA list, I left out the part of us saying this is it, we are done with York, as it was now like a antique mall, with a bit of trains here and there, even the regular vendors had very little trains.

I was talking to someone about York yesterday as that must of triggered it.

I have had a dream for years, in the 90's of always going down a stairway into a shoppe with lots of glass cases full of AF, as that is sort of how I got back into AF in 1991 when I found a shoppe in the basement of a home in Maine, as Doug Peck knows of Merle Parsons, of Wells, ME. He has since died and the place is now a beauty parlor. but even before he died, the second part of the dream is when I come back, as we always did, till he died and he remember us, the place had really nothing left, except maybe a 806 caboose. Weird.

By the way, in one of the out of print book on AF trains, there is a mention of a guy who wanted to collect all the 806 cabooses he could fine. I have no idea why?

Glad to hear you are still seeing that lady in Montana. Any marriage might come of this?

I know you still miss Debbie very much. I think her name is Debbie.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59083 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Ebay and Snow.
The mailman showed up today with another needed car for the Yard King Special Set of 1958, the set with 12 cars on a cross circle track. Only need TWO more cars to go, as they are just as tuff.

But the Mailman came after we got 48 inches of snow in 72 hours, a record for the DC area.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59084 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/12/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Mike.... Sadley... I am back again... I walked out 2 days before my plane was due to leave from Cass... Even Doris here won't speak to me... Guess I am doomed to spend the rest of my days alone.... But I have been Snowmobiling ( and over an unsafe lake too) in Yellowstone, Zip Lining, Kissing a Dolphin, Down to 124' in a Sub... Along with other things like collecting... finished set # 2 of the circus stuff... all paper and all boxes...  Now have a metal flat set and a pressed wood set...Just too much stuff... SO LETS KEEP DREAMING TRAINS!!!!!!!!!! Bob
PS Yes her name was Debbie... I did talk to Cass about a ring... BUT!!! and I did get Doris a ring... BUT!!!!
Thanks friend for your concerns.... Maybe someday lunch with Barb again!!!! At YORK!!!

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 4:47 PM


 



Bob,

I am glad you like my dream, but however since I put it on the TCA list, I left out the part of us saying this is it, we are done with York, as it was now like a antique mall, with a bit of trains here and there, even the regular vendors had very little trains.

I was talking to someone about York yesterday as that must of triggered it.

I have had a dream for years, in the 90's of always going down a stairway into a shoppe with lots of glass cases full of AF, as that is sort of how I got back into AF in 1991 when I found a shoppe in the basement of a home in Maine, as Doug Peck knows of Merle Parsons, of Wells, ME. He has since died and the place is now a beauty parlor. but even before he died, the second part of the dream is when I come back, as we always did, till he died and he remember us, the place had really nothing left, except maybe a 806 caboose. Weird.

By the way, in one of the out of print book on AF trains, there is a mention of a guy who wanted to collect all the 806 cabooses he could fine. I have no idea why?

Glad to hear you are still seeing that lady in Montana. Any marriage might come of this?

I know you still miss Debbie very much. I think her name is Debbie.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59085 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Bob,

Thanks for the update on things, sorry about the lady in MT and elsewhere. hang in there, just keep active with things, and who knows.

What no lunch with the rest of us, just Barb?

LOL

Glad you completed the different circus set.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59086 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Civil War Engine
Looks like the AF engine of 1959 set.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59087 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Carl,

Looking forward to the before picture.

Now someone wont have a clue what this about, if they missed the first email from Carl.

See, I think I have a strong track record of clearing out old text now. O:)! Just kidding

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59088 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Auto Slot Track
http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Gilbert-Autorama-Slot-car-track-controls_W0QQitemZ190372142603QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSlot_Cars?hash=item2c53105e0b

Allot of Gilbert race track on ebay with lots of straights that can be used on the Beth. Steel car! LOL

Allot is in outlook spell check, just in case, any of you question this.
Spell check says "complete and ok".

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59089 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Mike... Yes everyone... Was thinking of Panaras in Orlando... Remember... Bob

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:52 PM


 



Bob,

Thanks for the update on things, sorry about the lady in MT and elsewhere. hang in there, just keep active with things, and who knows.

What no lunch with the rest of us, just Barb?

LOL

Glad you completed the different circus set.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59090 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
The before pic is posted now too at:
http://www.tuveson.com/rea-warehouse/rea-warehouse.htm

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Building



Carl,

Looking forward to the before picture.

Now someone wont have a clue what this about, if they missed the first
email from Carl.

See, I think I have a strong track record of clearing out old text now.
O:)! Just kidding

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59091 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Carl, very nice. Good basic structure and excellent job on
painting/weathering. Paul S.


In a message dated 2/11/2010 11:53:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
carl@... writes:




I have another new building on the layout.
It is a REA warehouse built from a K-Line Ford factory kit.

Details at:
_http://www.tuveson.http://www.tuveshttp://www.tuveshtt_
(http://www.tuveson.com/rea-warehouse/rea-warehouse.htm)

Carl




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59092 From: biew19 Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: sliver bullet voltage?
Thanks every one. Going to tacket apart the tender today and see if I can work this out. The trans foemer checks out with v from .09 to 15.7
Joe
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> Your "old" Flyer transformer will run it just fine. The motor should run
> anywhere from 6 to 17 volts. AC is the norm, although DC works OK too if the
> power pack has enough uumph. The reason you hear a hum from the tender is
> that the reverse unit in there is not functioning. Check the lever on the
> bottom of it to see if it is in the "lock" position. If not, then it is most
> likely the pawl that rotates the drum is stuck. It's an easy fix in any
> case.
> Steve
> SnS Trains
> Boise
>
>
> In a message dated 02/11/2010 5:54:34 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> biew19@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> I have a Sliver Bullet and I am trying to find out it is ac or dc and what
> is the range that it needs to run. I have a old transformer American Flyer
> but not shore if it is putting out the right voltage. When I put power to
> the engine the tender hums but nothing at the engine.
> Thanks
> Joe the (dummy)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59093 From: clayton deich Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
 I worked in a plant over in Leeds England that looked just like this scale building. The plant was built before WWI to make planes, and later for the war. Now the building can not be changed or added to. It also has the sky lites on top as yours did.  The trusses were made of cast iron, and rivets. The post were the same - cast iron.  The building is one of there national historic register of buildings.
 Clayton  Oregon

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Building
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:30 AM
















 









The before pic is posted now too at:

http://www.tuveson com/rea-warehous e/rea-warehouse. htm



Carl



-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf

Of michael and Linda Marmer

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:44 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Building



Carl,



Looking forward to the before picture.



Now someone wont have a clue what this about, if they missed the first

email from Carl.



See, I think I have a strong track record of clearing out old text now.

O:)! Just kidding



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59094 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: New Building
Carl,

thanks as that is very nicely done again.

the K line item similar to Plasticville, does have more detail by itself then the Plasticville one.

Again, your building does not have that K-line look to it, just like your coaling tower.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59095 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Bob,

Great.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59096 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: #336 Loco value
I have a chance to buy a AF 336 loco from a local fella that called me (my card is at the train store).
I just checked the Greenberg book and the high value is just over $400.
In the message the fella left me, he mentioned if I didn't want it, he may put it on eBay. Has anyone been
following sales of the 336 on eBay? What would be a nice offering price that wouldn't insult this fella
and wouldn't break my bank? I'd love to have a 336 but it may be too much $$ for me!
I have no idea as of yet, the condition, .....he has had the loco since his youth.
Just thought I'd get an opinion here.


Thanks,
Rick in Calif.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59097 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Civil War Engine and train pictures
http://www.mikelynaugh.com/VirtualCivilWar/New/Originals2/index.html

Here is the link for the Civil War Train engine, as it is a very sharp picture. Again, it looks like the engine that AF put out in 1959.

However, there are some more train pictures, and a picture of the Cabin John Bridge in MD and the Chain Bridge in over the Potomac. Both those bridges still exist, as the Cabin John Bridge, is still in it original format, as it a single lane auto bridge now, where it used to be two way. Notice Cabin in front of the bridge. The Chain bridge is now a modern bridge, as they are scheduled to do some road work.

Just a tidbit about a neat house in Natchez, MS, the Longwood House. Linda and I visited Natchez in the 90's as it was a town for shipping out of crops on the MS River. This tall 3 story dome home, as being built by people from Philadelphia. When the war broke out in 1861, all the workers left, quickly, leaving the dome and upper levels not complete. They left their tools and other things. Many of those tools are still there, in the place they left them, including open paint cans, brushes, etc. The owner was a very wealthy plantation owner, but the war killed his income, as they where very poor after the war, as they ended up living in the finished basement that was to be living quarters for the "servants". I have a ton of pictures I took that I might send our to a few. And there is caulk marks on walls, for things to be put in place. I know that Bob Connor and Glen Ritter are architects. Google "Longwood House, Natchez" as there are many sites on it. Thanks for letting me mention this.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59098 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Civil War Engine
Sorry, I did not have the link, I will get it, as it was only 3 am went I sent it.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59099 From: ron plyler Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Lately on E-bay they have been anywhere from $250.00 to $500.00, depending on condition.

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:

From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] #336 Loco value
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:01 PM







 









I have a chance to buy a AF 336 loco from a local fella that called me (my card is at the train store).

I just checked the Greenberg book and the high value is just over $400.

In the message the fella left me, he mentioned if I didn't want it, he may put it on eBay. Has anyone been

following sales of the 336 on eBay? What would be a nice offering price that wouldn't insult this fella

and wouldn't break my bank? I'd love to have a 336 but it may be too much $$ for me!

I have no idea as of yet, the condition, .....he has had the loco since his youth.

Just thought I'd get an opinion here.



Thanks,

Rick in Calif.























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59100 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine and train pictures
Thanks Mike,

Those are some excellent photos.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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http://www.mikelynaugh.com/VirtualCivilWar/New/Originals2/index.html

Here is the link for the Civil War Train engine, as it is a very sharp
picture. Again, it looks like the engine that AF put out in 1959.
Mike Marmer
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59102 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine
This looks like a new thread, but I have no idea of what you are talking
about. Did I miss something? Or is this a reply to a private message? Or
did you cut out all of the prior message and change the subject line?

Dale Smith

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Looks like the AF engine of 1959 set.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59103 From: rick gough Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
If you want a good idea of retail value for Flyer go to 'American Flyer Warehouse' Marty's Trains. Great source and fair dealer in NY. I bought my 336 around a year and a half ago for $350. over ebay from a dealer. I know what I am doing and still put around 9 hours into putting it in great running shape. I considered that a good buy and still do. It would probably grade around C-6/GV+/E-. I work ebay all the time and even some rather sad looking Northerns seem to always pull a bit over $300. $350. would be a very good buy if it doesn't need a repaint and is complete. Really nice clean ones go way over $400. Buy it you won't regret it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:


From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] #336 Loco value
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 10:01 AM


 



I have a chance to buy a AF 336 loco from a local fella that called me (my card is at the train store).
I just checked the Greenberg book and the high value is just over $400.
In the message the fella left me, he mentioned if I didn't want it, he may put it on eBay. Has anyone been
following sales of the 336 on eBay? What would be a nice offering price that wouldn't insult this fella
and wouldn't break my bank? I'd love to have a 336 but it may be too much $$ for me!
I have no idea as of yet, the condition, .....he has had the loco since his youth.
Just thought I'd get an opinion here.

Thanks,
Rick in Calif.










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Group: S-Trains Message: 59104 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine and train pictures
Excellent photos, Mike. Thanks for sharing. What a sad chapter of our history...

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, jsnell5990@..., "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:32:05 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Civil War Engine and train pictures






http://www.mikelynaugh.com/VirtualCivilWar/New/Originals2/index.html

Here is the link for the Civil War Train engine, as it is a very sharp picture. Again, it looks like the engine that AF put out in 1959.

However, there are some more train pictures, and a picture of the Cabin John Bridge in MD and the Chain Bridge in over the Potomac. Both those bridges still exist, as the Cabin John Bridge, is still in it original format, as it a single lane auto bridge now, where it used to be two way. Notice Cabin in front of the bridge. The Chain bridge is now a modern bridge, as they are scheduled to do some road work.

Just a tidbit about a neat house in Natchez, MS, the Longwood House. Linda and I visited Natchez in the 90's as it was a town for shipping out of crops on the MS River. This tall 3 story dome home, as being built by people from Philadelphia. When the war broke out in 1861, all the workers left, quickly, leaving the dome and upper levels not complete. They left their tools and other things. Many of those tools are still there, in the place they left them, including open paint cans, brushes, etc. The owner was a very wealthy plantation owner, but the war killed his income, as they where very poor after the war, as they ended up living in the finished basement that was to be living quarters for the "servants". I have a ton of pictures I took that I might send our to a few. And there is caulk marks on walls, for things to be put in place. I know that Bob Connor and Glen Ritter are architects. Google "Longwood House, Natchez" as there are many sites on it. Thanks for letting me mention this.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59105 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Be careful!
Don't get "train fever". OK, you'd really like a 336, you're all excited. You only ever saw one at a train meet, or just pictures.
One of the biggest problems with "Greenberg expertise" is people tend to get caught up in the excitement of acquisition, and overlook the flaws of the piece. Always allow yourself a little room for what you DON'T see. Also, people tend to go for the highest price in the book, regardless of condition. And, some admit their stupidity and PAY the highest price in the book because they get so excited. Study the various criteria for condition--know them well, so you can grade the piece fairly. And the big one--is the piece COMPLETE.

336's are not as common as atlantics, but how many do you see on a continuous basis on ebay? Unfortunately, there is too much bidder frenzy, so the price goes higher than it should.

There is no such thing as "giving the guy a fair price". What the seller gets is up to him. But, you can almost bet that he won't offer it to you for $50! If he does his homework, he will probably get more. If he wants his money quickly, without going through ebay or some other seller, he gets less, but he gets it NOW. The idea is that YOU don't get taken.

You can make a fairly safe bet that anything that has been used under normal conditions will be in GOOD condition. If it was bought for a kid who had a serious disease and died right after he got it would be in excellent condition. Or, if the parents ran the trains and the kids never touched them (I've seen that one, too), they may STILL be in GOOD condition.

Be careful
Steve
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] #336 Loco value
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:01:41 -0800



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59106 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Sibley's layout re-created
I have been searching for track plan ideas and like some features of the
Sibley's Department Store display layout
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/DepartmentStore). I seem to recall a
recent article about someone who recreated this using modern track
(wider curve radius perhaps?). Can anyone recall the that article and
where it was published? Thanks

Vic Bereskin
Group: S-Trains Message: 59107 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: 494/495 engines
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290397808964&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Rick did very well with these 494/495 engines, as I got a set in Maine, mentioned before this year, by asking a antique Shoppe if anyone in town had AF trains and I was pointed to a small antique Shoppe in Ellsworth ME right before you leave US 1 for Acadia. I got this set in E+/LN for 600, no wraps, as the set just on ebay went for 1100, as I think this went over any guides.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59108 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2010
Subject: Re: Civil War Engine
LOL NO, I did not cut the prior message, as if I did, that is why this
could be confusing.

I forgot to add the link, as I later resent it.

I think by now, someone responded to the correct message with the link, so I
hope you got it there. Ahh, good thing he did not cut the message out.

If you do not see it, I will resent the link.

Sorry about this.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 59109 From: George Cohn Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Repairing plastics
Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote:

> We have been using "PLASTIC WELDER" by Devcon (product # S-220/22045) as
> a repair for AF plastics.

Thanks to all the tips offered, I was able to work out a process for
repairing broken front mounts on AF plastic shells.

The big Ace Hardware/Hobby Shop in town had Plastruct 1/4 inch diameter
tubing with a .60 wall thickness for $1.06 for a 15 inch length. Ace
also had the Devcon Plastic Welder mentioned above.

I did have to stop at my local wood workers supply for a 1/4 inch
diameter brad point drill bit because Ace didn't carry them. (This
makes a flat hole with a small indentation where the brad point is.)

Anyway, I gently clamped the shell in the padded jaws of the cross slide
vise on my drill press and made sure it was level. Drilled down into
the broken posts to a depth of .330 inches then used the Devcon to glue
a short piece of the Plastruct in and reinforce it a bit. Turns out the
.60 wall Plastruct is the perfect size to thread for a #6 screw!

A couple of dabs of black paint and it went back together better than new!

That gets at least 4 more steamers back on the tracks. Thanks again for
all the helpful advice.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59110 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Reid Ki
I noticed that several L&N diesels decorated by Dr. Reid Kimbrough are for
sale on Ebay right now, by a seller who purchased them from Reid a couple
of years ago or so. I think they are all American Models items though Reid
also painted some SHS and AF diesels. I wish I could bid on a few of them
but my budget cannot handle it right now. If you are interested in seeing
them, look for item #230434509673 and then look for other items by this
seller. I do not know the seller personally but I have seen his ebay name
several times when he beat me out bidding for items.

I have custom painted one FP7 and had a professional custom painter
decorate a couple of E8s for me in the L&N blue and cream. But aside from those,
I do not think I have ever seen an L&N locomotive in S gauge except for
Reid's models. So I think I am safe in saying these are rare items.

I had suspected that Reid had died but I missed it in the papers. I did a
search online tonight and found his obituary. He died October 20. Reid
worked in law enforcement and lived in Springfield, TN, not too far from
where I live. I never met him but we became friends online and on the phone.
Reid sold his S gauge collection when he received bad news about his
cancer, which had been in remission for some time.

I am lucky that I was able to obtain an FP7 and F7B in the black and cream
scheme. Also have an F3A and B in the black and cream. I also have an
FA-FB in the gray and yellow and a single E8 in the gray and yellow, all
decorated by Reid.



- Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59113 From: David Dewey Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Civil War engine & Longwood
Mike mentioned Longwood; Linda & I have been there too. HUGE unfinished mansion, circular in shape; and it's just as he described--stuff sitting right were it was left over a hundred and fifty years ago! Even the crate the grand piano was shipped in is there (the piano is in the basement, where the family lived. The basement is actually ground level on one side of the house (at least one side, I don't remember everything)). It is amazing that stuff was never salvaged through all those years. We went to another mansion that was abandonded for decades before it was restored. College kids used to throw parties there, but no one trashed the place--two big mirrors were/ are still intact! Boy, that wouldn't happen today!
Didn't see any trains at either place.
Going to the CA RR museum tomorrow, showing it off to some folks we met on the same Delta Queen trip that we saw Longwood. Will be interesting to see the changes in the toy train display--we haven't been for over a year.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59114 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D...
Is this Tom?

So you have an interest in L&N! I knew you were a sharp guy!

I am giving a lot of thought to going to the Duluth Convention. I wish it
was not so far.

- Earl


In a message dated 2/14/2010 12:14:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
milepost407@... writes:






Found them! As soon as I saw "L&N", I immediately jumped over to ebay
without reading the complete post. Searched on the item number you listed and
found the items. Really nice diesels. Thanks for your post.

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
tennsgauge@., ten
>
>
>
> >





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59115 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Rei
I see now, that you found them.

By the way someone is paying me money for every message I do with deleting the previous message.

Gotta pay for that Patio furniture somehow. JUST KIDDING. Line partial taken from a Tom Waits song on his Nighthawks At The Diner CD, 1975. He was saving the coupons from the Old Gold's he smoke, as I can relete, as my Dad smoked, SEVEN packs a day of Raliegh's bonus coupons by the carton. LOL Oh, he lived till he was nearly 76. Image.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59116 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Rei
If you go to the message archieves, the original message had a ebay number.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59117 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D...
Earl,

Really nice looking engines, as isn't the L&N once a big line in your area of Nashville? As I think that is for Louisville and Nashvile?

Would look real good on your layout.

Maybe he could do a C&O, but I would have to send him a plain S Helper DCC one, as he could have a side career of painting things for people.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59118 From: Ben Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Big Boy repaired!!!!!
I got home on Tuesday (remember, the day before the blizzard!) that my Big Boy is repaired. Too bad the train shop is only a few minutes from work...but 40 minutes from home! So...it is still in the repair shop waiting until my next official school day so I can pick it up! (Should be Tuesday if the snow amounts for Southeastern PA are only 1-3" as now predicted!)

I'll let you know how the repair turned out. I am excited to get it back on the rails! They've only had it since December 21!!

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 59119 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Mike, It would be nice, but sadly Reid has passed away, Mike in Ore


In a message dated 2/14/2010 1:51:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Earl,

Really nice looking engines, as isn't the L&N once a big line in your area
of Nashville? As I think that is for Louisville and Nashvile?

Would look real good on your layout.

Maybe he could do a C&O, but I would have to send him a plain S Helper DCC
one, as he could have a side career of painting things for people.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59120 From: Ben Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville...circus set???
What is this about a different circus set?? Everyone who know me knows the AF circus set is my favorite...I have made many custom loads such as stake driver trucks, canvas trucks, equipment trucks, and I have several of the ACME carousel trucks. I feel my collection will be complete if I can ever find someone who owns and is willing to sell some of the "non-Gilbert" opaque cake decoration circus wagons with light blue, green, and yellow sides.

I can dream...and the search will continue!

Ben



"Glad you completed the different circus set.
Mike"

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59121 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
PS: Mike, he did a really nice CORP (Central Oregon & Pacific RailRoad)
for me. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 2/14/2010 1:51:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Earl,

Really nice looking engines, as isn't the L&N once a big line in your area
of Nashville? As I think that is for Louisville and Nashvile?

Would look real good on your layout.

Maybe he could do a C&O, but I would have to send him a plain S Helper DCC
one, as he could have a side career of painting things for people.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59122 From: Jerry Hiett Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Leaches 6-minute epoxy
Tom,

I apologize. The company's website is http://www.leechadhesives.com/ . They are located in Hutchinson, Kansas.

There are a lot of other epoxy glue out there, but I have never found one that compares.

I have been away and hadn't checked my mail, sorry for the delay in answering.

Jerry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tstoltz@...
> Sent: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:40:51 -0500
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Leaches 6-minute epoxy
>
> HI Jerry,
>
>
>
> I Googled Leaches 6-minute epoxy and only found 6 minute epoxies in
> general.
> Google thinks I should be looking for leeches. Would you be able to
> provide more contact info form the epoxy containers?
>
>
>
> I'm always interested in trying adhesives and have tried many different
> ones. The best I've found for metal to wood so far is Loctite E-120HP.
> Their E-20HP isn't bad either, though I think not quite as strong.
> Unfortunately, these are not for quick fixes, the numbers indicate
> setting
> time in minutes.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Tom Stoltz
>
> Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
> Maine S Gaugers
> NASG
>
> <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 59123 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59124 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late Dr. Rei
Mike,

I'm am sorry to hear of this, as I did not know.

Looks like he did very nice work, as I am glad you have something from him.

Was he a local in your area? If not, how did you get to know him? Did he just do S or did he do other scales or gauges.

Mike in MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59125 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville...circus set???
Ben,

I believe Bob Conner completed a set with press wood cars.

I did keep your email below.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: PLasticville...circus set???



What is this about a different circus set?? Everyone who know me knows the AF circus set is my favorite...I have made many custom loads such as stake driver trucks, canvas trucks, equipment trucks, and I have several of the ACME carousel trucks. I feel my collection will be complete if I can ever find someone who owns and is willing to sell some of the "non-Gilbert" opaque cake decoration circus wagons with light blue, green, and yellow sides.

I can dream...and the search will continue!

Ben

"Glad you completed the different circus set.
Mike"

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59126 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
Hey Bob, are you going to go for the Red Circus flats and the earliest circus flats with the door guides pined to the flat. These are a little darker yellow from the normal yellow cars.
Harwood









-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville




Mike.... Sadly... I am back again... I walked out 2 days before my plane was due to leave from Cass... Even Doris here won't speak to me... Guess I am doomed to spend the rest of my days alone.... But I have been Snowmobiling ( and over an unsafe lake too) in Yellowstone, Zip Lining, Kissing a Dolphin, Down to 124' in a Sub... Along with other things like collecting... finished set # 2 of the circus stuff... all paper and all boxes... Now have a metal flat set and a pressed wood set...Just too much stuff... SO LETS KEEP DREAMING TRAINS!!!!!!!!!! Bob
PS Yes her name was Debbie... I did talk to Cass about a ring... BUT!!! and I did get Doris a ring... BUT!!!!
Thanks friend for your concerns.... Maybe someday lunch with Barb again!!!! At YORK!!!

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 4:47 PM



Bob,

I am glad you like my dream, but however since I put it on the TCA list, I left out the part of us saying this is it, we are done with York, as it was now like a antique mall, with a bit of trains here and there, even the regular vendors had very little trains.

I was talking to someone about York yesterday as that must of triggered it.

I have had a dream for years, in the 90's of always going down a stairway into a shoppe with lots of glass cases full of AF, as that is sort of how I got back into AF in 1991 when I found a shoppe in the basement of a home in Maine, as Doug Peck knows of Merle Parsons, of Wells, ME. He has since died and the place is now a beauty parlor. but even before he died, the second part of the dream is when I come back, as we always did, till he died and he remember us, the place had really nothing left, except maybe a 806 caboose. Weird.

By the way, in one of the out of print book on AF trains, there is a mention of a guy who wanted to collect all the 806 cabooses he could fine. I have no idea why?

Glad to hear you are still seeing that lady in Montana. Any marriage might come of this?

I know you still miss Debbie very much. I think her name is Debbie.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59127 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
He was in Tenn. I can't remember how I met him, E-bay I think, as he sold
under "TheFatEarl" When I got my CORP engine from him, it came with a return
address from "The Justice Center". Me being nosey had to find out what
gives. He was a profiler of serial killers for the FBI. Then opened the
"Center" to do private "stuff". I Googled him at that time & found him to have
written MANY books on the subject.
Right now there are GROUPS of people that hated him, as he infiltrated a
couple of KKK type outfits & are really mad that he was able to get to the
top of their org's.
He did "S" & "S" only.
He really was a neat guy to know. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 2/14/2010 3:53:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Mike,

I'm am sorry to hear of this, as I did not know.

Looks like he did very nice work, as I am glad you have something from
him.

Was he a local in your area? If not, how did you get to know him? Did he
just do S or did he do other scales or gauges.

Mike in MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59128 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Mike.

Thank you for that information as that is very interesting and I am sure he was neat person.

Can I ask how did he die? Old age, accident, illness? I am very sorry that he is not around to be part of our lives and for himself. He probably could had a great business painting train items no matter the size.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59129 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare L&N Items are on eBay - custom painted by the late D
Now because I deleted all the information on these emails, I can not find the ebay number, as I just want to save the informatoin and picture of the engine. Very nice work again.

So, off to the archives for it.

Wish I never followed through on doing the deletes. LOL Just kidding.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59130 From: gacesatg Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote:
>
> Lately on E-bay they have been anywhere from $250.00 to $500.00, depending on condition.
>
> --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] #336 Loco value
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:01 PM
>
> Before you but a 336, ask if it has the large motor or a small one.
I have the large and it will pull any thing with ease. The 336 also has a whistle in the tender,its nice to have the #710 steam whistle controlerfor it. Paid 350.00 for mine in the 1990's
>
> I have a chance to buy a AF 336 loco from a local fella that called me (my card is at the train store).
>
> I just checked the Greenberg book and the high value is just over $400.
>
> In the message the fella left me, he mentioned if I didn't want it, he may put it on eBay. Has anyone been
>
> following sales of the 336 on eBay? What would be a nice offering price that wouldn't insult this fella
>
> and wouldn't break my bank? I'd love to have a 336 but it may be too much $$ for me!
>
> I have no idea as of yet, the condition, .....he has had the loco since his youth.
>
> Just thought I'd get an opinion here.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick in Calif.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59131 From: Lennis Hall Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: #336 Loco value
Hi Rick:

To me the value depends on the condition.  If it has been setting around a long time and has had a lot of use, even some parts missing, it isn't worth as much because it will take some effort to put it back in good condition.  However, if it were new, never used, then the value would be pretty high.  In fact, very high, possibly as high as $800 to $1,000.  In the past few months prices on eBay have been lower than in the past few years, probably due to the economy.  Also, the number of train enthusiasts is dwindling.  One other consideration is whether or not you would be purchasing it as a collector or to run it on a regular basis.

Len

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, gacesatg <gacesatg@...> wrote:

From: gacesatg <gacesatg@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #336 Loco value
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 6:51 AM







 











--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@ ...> wrote:

>

> Lately on E-bay they have been anywhere from $250.00 to $500.00, depending on condition.

>

> --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@. ..> wrote:

>

> From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@. ..>

> Subject: [S-Trains] #336 Loco value

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:01 PM

>

> Before you but a 336, ask if it has the large motor or a small one.

I have the large and it will pull any thing with ease. The 336 also has a whistle in the tender,its nice to have the #710 steam whistle controlerfor it. Paid 350.00 for mine in the 1990's

>

> I have a chance to buy a AF 336 loco from a local fella that called me (my card is at the train store).

>

> I just checked the Greenberg book and the high value is just over $400.

>

> In the message the fella left me, he mentioned if I didn't want it, he may put it on eBay. Has anyone been

>

> following sales of the 336 on eBay? What would be a nice offering price that wouldn't insult this fella

>

> and wouldn't break my bank? I'd love to have a 336 but it may be too much $$ for me!

>

> I have no idea as of yet, the condition, .....he has had the loco since his youth.

>

> Just thought I'd get an opinion here.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rick in Calif.

>























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59132 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re:
As we are a restoration and repair facility we have been getting, at auction, between $525.00 and $625.00 for a #336 in EXCELLENT condition with the LARGE motor and a working whistle.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59133 From: sgaugian Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Big Boy Railsounds - - tower and cab phrases
How many different tower and cab sounds does your Big Boy make while running forward? Mine makes one tower sound and one cab remark, whether the touch pad button is shaded or not (AUX1 pressed or not). The tower sound (#4)is something to the effect of "4014 switches are aligned. You're all set inbound." To which the cab answers OK, or somthing like that. If you press cab first (#2) it only ever says something like "How do the tracks look ahead?". To which the tower replied good, all clear. The wording is identical each time too. While preditable, not varied. Now when sitting still I get a variety of comments and they do depend on whether AUX1 was pressed (shaded) or not. Also when selecting standard rail speeds (Legacy Cab2) I get the expected dialogue between tower and cab - - 4014, OK to proceed at Normal speed. OK, normal speed. What is yours like when running? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59134 From: SMMW Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: FM10-44 update & balance due
Despite losing almost 5 days of work due to power outages caused by storms
since 12/18, design progress on the H10-44 is moving along well. The cab is
done and hood should be done in a couple of days. All of the can motors,
truck parts and wheelsets for scale and hi-rail are here. When the body
design is done, I'll post a few screen shots on my web site and announce to
lists. The first engines should be shipping around mid-March, assuming not
major hiccups due to weather, etc.



Now's the time for those who've sent in a deposit to follow thru with the
balance. I will email an invoice to each of you; as payment-in-full status
is achieved, you will be moved up the list to reflect the order in which
payment was received . first paid, first shipped (after dealer shipments).



I have enough motors and wheelsets to produce 100 engines . 85 have been
sold so if you missed out, this is your last chance to get 1 (or more).
Scale version is $375, hi-rail/DC is $395. Add $10 shipping for 1-2
engines, $15 for 3+. Check, money order and PayPal (include 3.5% to the
total to cover their fee) accepted. Contact me off list to order and/or ask
questions.



Thanks for your support . I look forward to producing many more diesels (and
cars) over the coming years.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59135 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Steve,

While I am a collector of AF, as you know, I do not have knowledge of All Aboard Panels, as it sounds like the buildings and things are gone.

Maybe someone on the S list knows and I will forward the answers to you.

I believe you are a big collector of Marx things and you like Lionel, so what is the story on why you got these panels? Just curious.

Thanks,

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: gigeastman
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels



I recently acquired 30 Gilbert A/F All Aboard Panels. All are bare except track. The track is held on with eyelets. On each panel there is a wire connecting the end eyelets. Being 2 rail and plastic ties, what is the prurpose of the wire??

thanks

Steve "Papa" Eastman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59136 From: momhondo Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Caig Cailube
Several years ago I bought this jar of Caig Cailube M260Cp. I was wondering if anyone on
the list remembers the instructions for using this with model trains.

Dick Purnell
Group: S-Trains Message: 59137 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
i believe the wire was a power feed for the switches and whistle accessories. These items will not operate unless the eyeleys are connected with a wire panel locking piece

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 1:04 PM


 



Steve,

While I am a collector of AF, as you know, I do not have knowledge of All Aboard Panels, as it sounds like the buildings and things are gone.

Maybe someone on the S list knows and I will forward the answers to you.

I believe you are a big collector of Marx things and you like Lionel, so what is the story on why you got these panels? Just curious.

Thanks,

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: gigeastman
To: toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels

I recently acquired 30 Gilbert A/F All Aboard Panels. All are bare except track. The track is held on with eyelets. On each panel there is a wire connecting the end eyelets. Being 2 rail and plastic ties, what is the prurpose of the wire??

thanks

Steve "Papa" Eastman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59138 From: navmedguy Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: TMCC and reverse units question
A small question:

If one adds TMCC to a locomotive with the old AF universal motor using, say, an AC/DC Commander or Cruise Commander, does the Commander take care of the reversing duties, or does one need to keep the original e-unit (or some sort of reversing unit)?

Thanks.
Dr.Y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59139 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC and reverse units question
The Commander is the reversing unit.

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:02 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC and reverse units question



A small question:

If one adds TMCC to a locomotive with the old AF universal motor using,
say, an AC/DC Commander or Cruise Commander, does the Commander take care of
the reversing duties, or does one need to keep the original e-unit (or some
sort of reversing unit)?

Thanks.
Dr.Y






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59140 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Bob,

Thanks as a O guager on the TCA list said the same thing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59141 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Caig Cailube
It's used to lubricate commutators.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 02/15/2010 11:59:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
Dmjp@... writes:




Several years ago I bought this jar of Caig Cailube M260Cp. I was wondering
if anyone on
the list remembers the instructions for using this with model trains.

Dick Purnell





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59142 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Mike,
 
You're welcome. I have one of each of the All Aboard sets except the winter one. Most often those joiner clips are missing but new ones can be made from paper clips. My nephew loves to play with them.
 
Bob


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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:20 PM


 



Bob,

Thanks as a O guager on the TCA list said the same thing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59143 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Bob,

That is great that your nephew plays with them, as by the time they came out I was into HO.

My first and last pike master set was complete disappointment, as I am sure it was for many.

I think in a way that product might of hurt the train world of that era, as it might of drove some not to get involved with trains, but then again, maybe some like the PM years and All Aboard stuff. Looks like it too repeatitive to make a layout of any real size.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59144 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Concrete Blocks...
http://www.theonlinemodelrailroadstore.com/

A few days ago I wrote that the Wills OO concrete blocks scale out to exactly 8" x 16" in 1:64. Per feedback, these plastic sheets are readily available in the U.K. and in Canada. As OO is even more rare in the U.S. than S, the Wills stuff is a bit more scarce. Along with the Wills concrete block, I found around 15 other Wills four-pack sheets offered for sale on the above site. If and when they come through has yet to be determined, but they have a site option to not give credit info until they confirm in-stock and notify the buyer of same. Then you pay.

Just as a matter of curiosity, and in addition to the concrete block sheets I ordered, I added on nine other types of sheet stock just to see how well they would adapt to 1:64. While OO is 1:76 the site above lists the sheet stock as HO, or 1:87. This I assume is to take advantage of the much much larger HO market in the U.S. than trying to serve OO or S. Little do they know that they've actually offered something that's closer to 1:64 than either of the other scales.

Let you all know the outcome once they've confirmed ability to deliver and I've received the goods.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59145 From: Gene Cimino Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Please Change The Subject in The Subject Line
This is a plea to please change the topic in the subject line. It is done in as impersonal manner as possible. No intention of ruffling anyone's feathers. For days now there have been posts that are under a Plasticville category heading. None have the least connection to Plasticville. As I mentioned before we have an archive that could be of use. When subject lines are not changed it becomes worthless.

Thanks, I'm off the soap box now. Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 59146 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Mike,
 
I gave my nephew Christopher ( also my godson ) an American Flyer set I cobbled together for him years ago but his mom only sets it up around the holidays. Once in a while I'll bring one of my All Aboard sets over to his house and set it up for him to play with. He loves to load his hot wheels & matchbox cars into the gondolas as well as drive them on the streets while running the trains. eventually I plan on building him a Flyer layout in his basment. Over the last 20 years I estimate I've assembled and given away over two dozen Flyer sets to relatives and friends kids. Got to keep the fire burning.
 
Bob


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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:06 PM


 



Bob,

That is great that your nephew plays with them, as by the time they came out I was into HO.

My first and last pike master set was complete disappointment, as I am sure it was for many.

I think in a way that product might of hurt the train world of that era, as it might of drove some not to get involved with trains, but then again, maybe some like the PM years and All Aboard stuff. Looks like it too repeatitive to make a layout of any real size.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59147 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: perfect record
Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.
Thanks in advance.
Jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59148 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Jack, I have been sniped at the last second so many times I've stopped counting. You can sit there until the last second ready to make a higher bid or find a sniping program to do it for you. These days I just bid what I'm comfortable paying and let the chips fall where they may. Being patient is key as most items come around again eventually.
 
Bob


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From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] perfect record
To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 6:41 PM


 



Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.
Thanks in advance.
Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59149 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
No secret - you have to snipe within the last 7 seconds if you want to win anything desirable in Flyer S or O or have an unlimited checkbook and bid way ahead of the book price. Flyer seems to be the worst for this - serious bidders don't bid until within the last 10 seconds. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Nowosielski
To: s-trains
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] perfect record



Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.
Thanks in advance.
Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59150 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: More Layout Videos Posted on YouTube
Hi All,

I've posted several videos of accessories operating on my layout. You can check them out at:

770 Loading Platform:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSVi5hHNzU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vap-l8Pcyvk

787 Log Loader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmGCxNUyKSU

K-Line K-124 Barrel Loader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAWRC-y3TE

You can view my other YouTube layout videos by typing davidtyner1 in any YouTube search window. I have over 20 videos and more to come as I make progress on the layout.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59151 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Well, there is no sense in paying more than a piece is worth (to you). What
I do is figure the most I am willing to pay for a particular item and bid
that about 5 minutes before it closes if it hasn't already reached that
mark. If someone bids more, cest la vie. There will always be another one
available. Don't give up, but don't be foolish.

Steve


In a message dated 02/15/2010 4:52:20 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
nowofinance@... writes:




Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can
win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.
Thanks in advance.
Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59152 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2010
Subject: Other interest
Tonight I was talking to one person on the phone and another on emails about the C&O Canal, as all three of us are in the C&O Canal Association.

One runs bike tours on the canal and the other is a professional painter, as I have one of his prints that he is going to hand color.

But in our talks about things, I mentioned to them that I collect American Flyer trains.

It is amazing when you mention trains to people that they too have trains also, put away.

One has his Dad's AF stored away in a 1840 wooden trunk that his ancestor brought over from Germany and the other still has his Lionel trains. Not that both are into trains like us and in no way was I going to pester them to sell, etc., as I said they need to hold on to them and if they need help in determining value, let me know.

So, it is neat to learn that others still have their old trains of yesteryear.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59153 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Hi Jack,
� I sell and buy on ebay.  There really is no secret.  Many times you got to be lucky.  My suggestion to you is make your highest bid which would be your limit towards the last day of the auction.  If you have time to watch the item in the last hour or two make a couple of bids and see if someone outbids you. Your last bid should be what you want to spend.  If someone wants to go over your bid, so be it.  Theres no point in buying something that may not be worth it just to win an auction.
� Tom Seccia
--- On Mon, 2/15/10, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote:

From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] perfect record
To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 6:41 PM







 









Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.

Thanks in advance.

Jack



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59154 From: Bruce Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Amazing. I understand inflation, but I bought a 336 in excellent condition in 1990 for $125 from a member of the TCA. Seems to be a little price gouging going on here, but I don't blame the seller, as they are obviously in it for the quick buck. I blame the obvious ignorance of the buyer.

This is kind of like the NBA or MLB overpaying for a player's services (the Yankees come to mind here), thereby setting the bar at an unrealistic level for most of the other teams.

Bruce



From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:33 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:



As we are a restoration and repair facility we have been getting, at auction, between $525.00 and $625.00 for a #336 in EXCELLENT condition with the LARGE motor and a working whistle.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59155 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
I agree with the general opinion: bid early and bid the maximum amount you are comfortable with paying. I also try to make my bid a bit of an odd number - e.g. bidding $31.75 when the bid, at the time, is $18.00 even. And then sit back and let the chips fall where they might. Someone will (usually) bid against you - often at the last minute. Sometimes you will lose. But sometimes you will win and sometimes (ta-da!!) you will win by a nickle or a dime! I think there is some psychology working here - you have a big bid in but they don't know what it is. So they try to be sneaky - and try some small bids to see where your bid is. And as they try to sneak up on your bid, they get a bit more desperate. 'Gee, I wonder just how big a bid that guy made?' Just like poker - sometimes you bluff them out.

I have found it is a mistake to wait - I sometimes do that and then lose a bid because I forget to bid and, guess what, no one else does! So the guy relists it and it goes for much more the next time around. No, just jump in early, get your maximum 'comfortable' bid in and go away.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

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>
> Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.
> Thanks in advance.
> Jack
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59156 From: Ed Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: The Great Switch Machine
> Is the tortoise Switch Machine universally loved? hated? ... evocative
> of vague ambivalence?
>
> Is there a favorite switch machine for the group? If so, what are the
> pros/cons?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dr Y


Personally, I prefer the SwitchMaster. Longer throw and stronger throw and less noise than the Turtle. Click here for info:

http://www.builders-in-scale.com/bis/sm-home.html

Good luck...Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59157 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Wish I could buy anything at 1990 prices - right around the world the 90's were renowned for rampant inflation. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:




Amazing. I understand inflation, but I bought a 336 in excellent condition in 1990 for $125 from a member of the TCA. Seems to be a little price gouging going on here, but I don't blame the seller, as they are obviously in it for the quick buck. I blame the obvious ignorance of the buyer.

This is kind of like the NBA or MLB overpaying for a player's services (the Yankees come to mind here), thereby setting the bar at an unrealistic level for most of the other teams.

Bruce

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:33 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:

As we are a restoration and repair facility we have been getting, at auction, between $525.00 and $625.00 for a #336 in EXCELLENT condition with the LARGE motor and a working whistle.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59158 From: gacesatg Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote:
>
> Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.
> Thanks in advance.
> Jack
>
> Go to esnipe .com and sigh up. When I joined they gave you 2 weeks for free. You only pay when you win an item. Best way I know to win on E BAY. Tom
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59159 From: whtrainman Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
The wires on the back of the panels are for electrical continuity from panel to panel, nothing more. The tack itself is connected by U shaped "pins" instead of the usual pins used in standard AF track. The Panels are further held together by pieces of U shaped "wires". There is a panel that has the connections for power from the transformer. The switch panels, and the horn panel have their own power connections on them, as they use the fixed power connection from the transformer. Frequently, the track connectors, and the panel connectors are missing from the sets/panels. They sometimes show up on Ebay, and there are some after maket repros.

Walt Johnson
Group: S-Trains Message: 59160 From: race944t Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: C&O Historical Society Train Show this weekend
For those in Western Va, South Eastern WV and North Western NC, the C&O Historical Society is having its annual train show in Clifton Forge, Va. this weekend. (2/20-21/10) Vendor day is Saturday and displays will be running both Saturday and Sunday. Sunday is a vendor optional day.

Both the Carolinas division and the Tidewater Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will combine layouts and we will be running LOTS of trains. This is going to be fun combining these layouts.

You can go to cohs.org for show information. Admission to the show also gets you into the museum, there will be an Antiques Road Show type appraisal service and they are really excited about the large "S" layout. Since Clifton Forge is a RR town, I can't wait to see what sort of RR stuff comes out of basements and attics to be appraised.

While there you could also stop in Roanoke and visit the Va. Museum of Transportation since it's only about 1 hr away.

Thanks for reading.

"Banker" Bill Clark
Group: S-Trains Message: 59161 From: Gary Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: 326 tracking issues
My 326 doesn't like to take curves very well. I think the problem is the front wheels raise when pulling a load. It has pul-mor tires on the rear. The problem is less evident when removing the pul-mor tires, but then then engine won't pull any cars.
Any suggestions?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59162 From: jaay_st Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: reverse operation question
I have an Atlantic 293.
This may be a dumb question; but, other than throwing the switch on the bottom of the tender, is there any way to make the engine run in reverse?
Maybe a different transformer?
Thjanks
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59163 From: michael prell Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: More Layout Videos Posted on YouTube
Thanks, BG!
So THATS how they're supposed to operate! BTW, did you notice how much the operator looks like the guy from the Halloween movies?
Thanks for sharing!
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More Layout Videos Posted on YouTube
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:31 PM


 



Hi All,

I've posted several videos of accessories operating on my layout. You can check them out at:

770 Loading Platform:

http://www.youtube com/watch? v=sRSVi5hHNzU

http://www.youtube com/watch? v=vap-l8Pcyvk

787 Log Loader:

http://www.youtube com/watch? v=GmGCxNUyKSU

K-Line K-124 Barrel Loader:

http://www.youtube com/watch? v=7uAWRC- y3TE

You can view my other YouTube layout videos by typing davidtyner1 in any YouTube search window. I have over 20 videos and more to come as I make progress on the layout.

BG1











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59164 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
Hi Walt,
I sell both the Pikemaster Track Connectors and the Panel Clips.  I am currently out of both.  I should have more in stock 3 to 4 weeks.  My part number for the Panel Clips is AA0001 and AA0002 for the Track Connectors.   Please email me off site seccia@....
Tom Seccia
Triple "S" Supplies.

--- On Tue, 2/16/10, whtrainman <waltj52@...> wrote:

From: whtrainman <waltj52@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:16 AM







 













The wires on the back of the panels are for electrical continuity from panel to panel, nothing more. The tack itself is connected by U shaped "pins" instead of the usual pins used in standard AF track. The Panels are further held together by pieces of U shaped "wires". There is a panel that has the connections for power from the transformer. The switch panels, and the horn panel have their own power connections on them, as they use the fixed power connection from the transformer. Frequently, the track connectors, and the panel connectors are missing from the sets/panels. They sometimes show up on Ebay, and there are some after maket repros.



Walt Johnson

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59165 From: mike rosz Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Historical societies
How many other societies are there that do this?

How many historical societies are there?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59166 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse operation question
I converted all my AF trains to DC operation so easy to change direction.

The reversing unit on AC operation was just to fussy to mess with.

If you are a collector this is probably not an option but I'm not
worried about collector values and will probably swap most to can motors
in the future.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



jaay_st wrote:
>
> I have an Atlantic 293.
> This may be a dumb question; but, other than throwing the switch on
> the bottom of the tender, is there any way to make the engine run in
> reverse?
> Maybe a different transformer?
> Thjanks
> Jay
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59167 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse operation question
The lever on the bottom of the tender is for locking the reverse unit in
any direction you choose. It is not
truly a reversing lever. If you have the tender facing to your left and you
pull the lever toward you, it will "unlock" the reverse unit. You can
then change direction by cutting power and cycling the drum in the reverse
unit. It will go forward/neutral/reverse/neutral with each cycle. If it does
not cycle tap on top of the tender and you will probably hear the pawl drop
and the drum will cycle on the next current application. The pawl that
moves the drum is most likely stuck. A removal and cleaning is probably in
order for the reverse unit,.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 02/16/2010 9:35:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jaay_st@... writes:




I have an Atlantic 293.
This may be a dumb question; but, other than throwing the switch on the
bottom of the tender, is there any way to make the engine run in reverse?
Maybe a different transformer?
Thjanks
Jay





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59168 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: reverse operation question followup
PS....A 293 is a Pacific, not an Atlantic


In a message dated 02/16/2010 9:35:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jaay_st@... writes:




I have an Atlantic 293.
This may be a dumb question; but, other than throwing the switch on the
bottom of the tender, is there any way to make the engine run in reverse?
Maybe a different transformer?
Thjanks
Jay





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59169 From: george leidinger Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse operation question
I have the BB which I operate with TMCC is there afast acting circuit protector  that will go between output transformer to the trackpick to protect the modern train electronics???
George Leidinger

--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Carey Probst <carey@...> wrote:


From: Carey Probst <carey@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] reverse operation question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 11:44 AM


I converted all my AF trains to DC operation so easy to change direction.

The reversing unit on AC operation was just to fussy to mess with.

If you are a collector this is probably not an option but I'm not
worried about collector values and will probably swap most to can motors
in the future.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



jaay_st wrote:
>
> I have an Atlantic 293.
> This may be a dumb question; but, other than throwing the switch on
> the bottom of the tender, is there any way to make the engine run in
> reverse?
> Maybe a different transformer?
> Thjanks
> Jay
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59170 From: CharlesB Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: AF DC Steam. Loco, Conversion
Hello! Has anyone modified one of these to run without a tender, if so, who has the simple method to convert. Thanks Charlie
Group: S-Trains Message: 59171 From: Larry Asp Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Its an interesting thread on what to pay for a 336 or what one should be
worth. What is of interest too is war stories on finding them - or - how
other Flyer goodies (rare or common) are found at less costly prices. Train
shows,, dealers, ebay etc. are common retail markets and tend to influence
the Greenburg pricing idea - but what about other sources at a more
wholesale or less costly level - how do you hunt down and come up with Flyer
stuff in the first place? Yard sales? News ads? Trades? Estates? Auctions?
Clubs? Other collectors?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59172 From: Paul Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Jack, I agree with others about deciding what your top comfortable
expenditure will be.
Don't stop and don't get discouraged. If you are using a book price to
be your bid, don't.
Use the book as a guide and decide just how bad you want the piece. If
you are willing to
go above book, then do it, if that doesn't feel right, then don't go
beyond what does feel right
to you, gut instinct which may well be below the book.
There would not even be a guarantee of a win if we on the list announced
"I am bidding on
auction #xxxxxxx" and a gentleman's agreement made the rest of us lay
off. There are folks out
there bidding who are not on the list. It would also be unfair to the
seller, the auction is for him
to get the highest price the day allows, otherwise all auctions would be
"buy it now" or "best offer"
flea market style.
I will admit I have done my bidding both ways, place a bid a day or two
early and sometimes snipe.
I'll probably get flamed for that statement, but sometimes it is just
plain fun to pick a price and snipe.
I have been sniped too, so I don't feel too bad doing it sometimes, I
just try to cut it as close as 2
seconds and imagine the look on some 5 second sniper who thinke he has
won or who winds up going
higher than what I was willing to pay. If he wants it that bad, it's
his, but not necessarily as cheap as
he hoped.
Also, I definately agree with Bob from Missouri. Odd bits of change are
good bids because an opponent
can get within a few cents and not know it, but you do and it gives you
a chance to re-evaluate yourself.
Do you want it bad enough to back up your bid or wait for another.
All that said, there is no secret, play til you win, get a feeling by
watching how auctions are going this week,
act accordingly, but never allow the emotional side to outbid your own
wants or needs.
Some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you, how high up
the tree are you willing to climb?
paul in snowy Ohio



Jack Nowosielski wrote:

>
>
> Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person
> can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.
> Thanks in advance.
> Jack
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59173 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Just be patient
On AvailableSgauge Mr Rapidrail1 made a comment,
----- Original Message -----
From: rapidrail1
. . . . There are several existing engines made by AM and SHS that I would
buy in certain road names. Southern E-8 and Southern or N&W Trainmaster
would be nice from AM. . . .
> > > > > > > > >
And I got back this reply

Probably do those in the future.
Ron

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 59174 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: perfect record
Jack,

If you are simply crusing E-bay and bidding more or less on impulse of what you see offered, all the advise you have already received is great and I have nothing to add. If however you keep looking for specific items and keep losing I would suggest you make your "wish list" know here. There are many here on this list that sell on Ebay and elaewhere. If you give your price range perhaps you can srtike a deal here within the group and save yourself as well as the seller the hassle and expense of E-bay... Just a thought.

Mark








Is there some secret that you all can reveal to me as to how a person can win on ebay? So far my spectacular record of NO WINS is intact.

Thanks in advance.

Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59175 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
Gary,
     Replace the pony truck spring and you may want to put pul-mor wheels on the front drivers plus add some weight to the forward part of the engine shell.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote:


From: Gary <headlap2005@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 326 tracking issues
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 9:27 AM


 



My 326 doesn't like to take curves very well. I think the problem is the front wheels raise when pulling a load. It has pul-mor tires on the rear. The problem is less evident when removing the pul-mor tires, but then then engine won't pull any cars.
Any suggestions?











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59176 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
A 336 engine in the last Bubeck box in E is 570, so that price might not be that bad.

I don't see them gouching anyone, as if I had it, I probably would do the same.

Some one out their wants one back enough and the price is in reason, as I see it in the book, they will buy in time.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59177 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
Can you be more specific as to what it does or doesn't do on curves?
"Doesn't like" is hard to diagnose.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 02/16/2010 9:33:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
headlap2005@... writes:




My 326 doesn't like to take curves very well. I think the problem is the
front wheels raise when pulling a load. It has pul-mor tires on the rear. The
problem is less evident when removing the pul-mor tires, but then then
engine won't pull any cars.
Any suggestions?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59178 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Historical societies
Do what please? Because of a few whinges about long message strings being attached to thr email message system we now have too many annoying messages with no trace of the message being replied to. And that is much more annoying. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: mike rosz
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Historical societies



How many other societies are there that do this?

How many historical societies are there?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59179 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
I believe the problem is not related to the front pony truck, rather it is the front pair of drivers. I seem to have had a problem like this myself many years ago and it was an issue with the front or rear drivers or even both being out of gauge.

Regards,

Neil

Can you be more specific as to what it does or doesn't do on curves?
"Doesn't like" is hard to diagnose.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59180 From: John Degnan Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Trainstuff (Pre-SHS) S Scale Fox Trucks
Looking for one or two pairs of the old Trainstuff (Pre-SHS) S Scale Fox Trucks.

Anyone got a pair or two you can spare?


John Degnan
JohnnyReb69@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59181 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Just be patient
Tom,

You seem to have better communication with Ron than anyone I know. Please
suggest to Ron that he contact me if he needs info on the Southern's E8
paint schemes as there were at least three. And I would hate for him to make
the mistake that several HO manufacturers have done (and one restored
prototype in North Carolina) of using yellow lettering and stripes on the
"Southern Crescent" scheme. The correct color is GOLD. I can provide photos.
Ron incorrectly used the description "Southern Crescent" in the promotion
of the Southern steam and passenger set from back in the 1990s. That set
represented the "Crescent Limited", not the "Southern Crescent" which was a
train of the 1970s and was never steam. If he were to let me review the
graphics, I can make sure it is correct. I have had three of these AM E8s
custom painted and I pretty well know the details down to the computer check
digits of the engine numbers.

I would be thrilled if Ron came out with the E8s in Southern whether it is
the "Southern Crescent", or the black tuxedo scheme, or the original green
tuxedo scheme which did have yellow stripes and lettering.

The details can make a big difference. An S gauger in Alabama night be
thrilled to have a Frisco E8 with matching silver and red stripe Budds until
he sees the E8s have corrugated sides and the cars are lettered for the
Texas Special. there was nothing wrong with doing the Texas Special but it
narrowed the geographical appeal of the set. The same can be said of the
Missouri Pacific set. By lettering the Budds for the "Colorado Eagle"
(instead of just "The Eagle") it narrowed the geographic appeal of that set which
really needs a dome car or two to be authentic looking. If I could afford
to have everything I want, I would want a model of the "Texas Eagle"
because I once rode it. Again, there is nothing wrong with what was produced,
more power to American Models for expanding the offerings. But the details
do affect the geographic market appeal.

I will get of my soap box now, at least for a little while.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 2/16/2010 2:01:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
t.hawley@... writes:




On AvailableSgauge Mr Rapidrail1 made a comment,
----- Original Message -----
From: rapidrail1
. . . . There are several existing engines made by AM and SHS that I would
buy in certain road names. Southern E-8 and Southern or N&W Trainmaster
would be nice from AM. . . .
> > > > > > > > >
And I got back this reply

Probably do those in the future.
Ron

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59182 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re:
If a price is too much for one, just hang in there, as you never know what you might find later, as I have many examples of that.

Keep bidding on what you feel you can afford or offer at a show, etc.

In time.

It is amazing how on Ebay a certain items can go for way below a guide price or way above, as that it is the market working according to supply and demand.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59183 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Any one in the world of S have any ideas on the below?

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jlechner2001
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?



<< I recently acquired 30 Gilbert A/F All Aboard Panels. All are bare except track. >>

First, I wonder if A. C. Gilbert personally contributed to the concept for "All Aboard" panels; since Gilbert retired in 1954 and placed his son in charge of the company.

Second, I wonder if "All Aboard" was the first commercially-available modular layout system. I know that there were prefab scenicked layouts available in other scales (HO and N) by 1960-1961. Some were molded styrofoam and others were vacuum-formed plastic sheet. Each of these was a self-contained layout (usually an over / under double oval) but they did have a provision for joining two layouts together and connecting the loops with switches that you bought separately.

As far as I can recall, "All Aboard" was the first true modular layout that could be expanded to any desired size by joining together an unlimited number of straight, curve, switch and crossing modules.

Me thinks A. C. Gilbert would be very pleased to look down from Paradise and see how popular the module concept has become. At the recent WGH show at Chantilly VA, we saw vast layouts in each of the popular gauges (N, HO, S, O and Standard). Each layout had been assembled relative quickly from dozens of individual modules, each of which came complete with its own benchwork, track, scenery and electrical connections - just as American Flyer engineers envisioned some fifty years earlier. I wonder if any AF customer ever acquired enough panels to build a 40' x 80' setup like SGMA exhibited at WGH in January!

At WGH, a vendor offered for sale what must surely be the world's smallest modular layout. Each module was about 8" square and had two routes on it. The locomotive was about 2" long and ran on a single AAA battery.

Joseph Lechner





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59184 From: paflyrman Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
Does NE1 know if this company still exists? They sold prewar parts for AF/L/I/Dorf. If not, what happened to their inventory? Thank you.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 59185 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
Still alive but a one person set up and done part time. Almost impossible to contact - big backlog of Standard Gauge orders so I would not bother at this stage trying to chase it up. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: paflyrman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works



Does NE1 know if this company still exists? They sold prewar parts for AF/L/I/Dorf. If not, what happened to their inventory? Thank you.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59186 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
FYI.

Gilbert filed for a patent on scenic panels on October 7, 1958. They
were awarded Pat# 3,025,626 (Guy F. Schumacher assignor to the A.C.
Gilbert Co.) on March 20, 1962.



On 2/16/2010 5:57 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Any one in the world of S have any ideas on the below?
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jlechner2001
> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:27 PM
> Subject: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
>
> << I recently acquired 30 Gilbert A/F All Aboard Panels. All are bare
> except track. >>
>
> First, I wonder if A. C. Gilbert personally contributed to the concept
> for "All Aboard" panels; since Gilbert retired in 1954 and placed his
> son in charge of the company.
>
> Second, I wonder if "All Aboard" was the first commercially-available
> modular layout system. I know that there were prefab scenicked layouts
> available in other scales (HO and N) by 1960-1961. Some were molded
> styrofoam and others were vacuum-formed plastic sheet. Each of these
> was a self-contained layout (usually an over / under double oval) but
> they did have a provision for joining two layouts together and
> connecting the loops with switches that you bought separately.
>
> As far as I can recall, "All Aboard" was the first true modular layout
> that could be expanded to any desired size by joining together an
> unlimited number of straight, curve, switch and crossing modules.
>
> Me thinks A. C. Gilbert would be very pleased to look down from
> Paradise and see how popular the module concept has become. At the
> recent WGH show at Chantilly VA, we saw vast layouts in each of the
> popular gauges (N, HO, S, O and Standard). Each layout had been
> assembled relative quickly from dozens of individual modules, each of
> which came complete with its own benchwork, track, scenery and
> electrical connections - just as American Flyer engineers envisioned
> some fifty years earlier. I wonder if any AF customer ever acquired
> enough panels to build a 40' x 80' setup like SGMA exhibited at WGH in
> January!
>
> At WGH, a vendor offered for sale what must surely be the world's
> smallest modular layout. Each module was about 8" square and had two
> routes on it. The locomotive was about 2" long and ran on a single AAA
> battery.
>
> Joseph Lechner
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59187 From: race944t Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Historical societies
Are you referring to my post on the C&O historical society show this weekend? If so, I don't have a clue, but I'm sure there are hundreds of RR historical societies out there. How many put on shows is unknown.

Check trains.com and other sites that have good event schedules.

"Banker" Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote:
>
> How many other societies are there that do this?
>
> How many historical societies are there?
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59188 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Daryl,

thank you for that information as I passed it along to the TCA list.

Wow, 1958, had no idea. One year and 3 days after Sputnik.

Did you think that had the old track in mind or they had Pike Master track in mind in 1958.

Went did the first PM track come out?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59189 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
A note on All Board panels. Our fellow Flyer guy and TCA member, Norman Joyce, Isn't in the best of health and has some All Aboard panels for sale. Contact me off list and I'll give you more info- John Marganski
 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59190 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
More FYI. The actual patent for the All Aboard panels as we know them
is Pat# 3,352,054 which was issued to Marvin Glass on November 14,
1967. Marvin Glass Co. filed for the patent on Feb. 4, 1965. As some
of you already know, near the end Gilbert contracted some toy design
work to the Marvin Glass company. That company also patented the road
race panel idea (i.e., James Bond 007 Road Race set.).

Daryl




On 2/16/2010 5:57 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Any one in the world of S have any ideas on the below?
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jlechner2001
> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:27 PM
> Subject: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
>
> << I recently acquired 30 Gilbert A/F All Aboard Panels. All are bare
> except track. >>
>
> First, I wonder if A. C. Gilbert personally contributed to the concept
> for "All Aboard" panels; since Gilbert retired in 1954 and placed his
> son in charge of the company.
>
> Second, I wonder if "All Aboard" was the first commercially-available
> modular layout system. I know that there were prefab scenicked layouts
> available in other scales (HO and N) by 1960-1961. Some were molded
> styrofoam and others were vacuum-formed plastic sheet. Each of these
> was a self-contained layout (usually an over / under double oval) but
> they did have a provision for joining two layouts together and
> connecting the loops with switches that you bought separately.
>
> As far as I can recall, "All Aboard" was the first true modular layout
> that could be expanded to any desired size by joining together an
> unlimited number of straight, curve, switch and crossing modules.
>
> Me thinks A. C. Gilbert would be very pleased to look down from
> Paradise and see how popular the module concept has become. At the
> recent WGH show at Chantilly VA, we saw vast layouts in each of the
> popular gauges (N, HO, S, O and Standard). Each layout had been
> assembled relative quickly from dozens of individual modules, each of
> which came complete with its own benchwork, track, scenery and
> electrical connections - just as American Flyer engineers envisioned
> some fifty years earlier. I wonder if any AF customer ever acquired
> enough panels to build a 40' x 80' setup like SGMA exhibited at WGH in
> January!
>
> At WGH, a vendor offered for sale what must surely be the world's
> smallest modular layout. Each module was about 8" square and had two
> routes on it. The locomotive was about 2" long and ran on a single AAA
> battery.
>
> Joseph Lechner
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59191 From: gacesatg Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Asp" <larry.asp@...> wrote:
>
> Its an interesting thread on what to pay for a 336 or what one should be
> worth. What is of interest too is war stories on finding them - or - how
> other Flyer goodies (rare or common) are found at less costly prices. Train
> shows,, dealers, ebay etc. are common retail markets and tend to influence
> the Greenburg pricing idea - but what about other sources at a more
> wholesale or less costly level - how do you hunt down and come up with Flyer
> stuff in the first place? Yard sales? News ads? Trades? Estates? Auctions?
> Clubs? Other collectors?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> Found mine in the news paper. Almost missed it, because the ad started with "American flyer train track" was a print error.Her son wanted HO., So she was selling a#336 challenger freight set,a pair of elec. switches,12B transformer and 13 plasticvile houses for $400.
I offersd #350 and she sold to me. Told me the train was from her childhood.Every thing was boxed and this was the best deal I've ever found.Tom.
.
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59192 From: DarylO Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
See my last post, Mike. The All Aboard panel concept as we basically know it was patented by Marvin Glass who was contracted by Gilbert. Pikemaster track shows up in 1961 catalog. The earlier patent talks about using molded paper-machie to form the panels but later on does mention "plastic".



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Daryl,
>
> thank you for that information as I passed it along to the TCA list.
>
> Wow, 1958, had no idea. One year and 3 days after Sputnik.
>
> Did you think that had the old track in mind or they had Pike Master track in mind in 1958.
>
> Went did the first PM track come out?
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59193 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A/F All Aboard Panels
The All Aboard track pins are readily available (better quality metal
than the originals, as they conduct better).

And we have the panel clips made, so we have hundreds of those on hand
as well.



You'll fine both in our website Af PARTS catalog, under All Aboard
Scenic Panels.



<<<The track itself is connected by U shaped "pins" instead of the usual
pins used in standard AF track. The Panels are further held together by
pieces of U shaped "wires".>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59194 From: Gary Chidester Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: Track Trade anyone?
I have been kind of caught up with life the last two years, but started a project to remodel the "train room" that was dismantled to make room for my son. He is now almost three and his excitement to share his room with a train layout has the whole family involved! I logged on to Yahoo and found out that it has been two years since my major computer crash that started bouncing emails and disabled my membership to the list.

I apologize for my return to the list after two years with a request, but here it is:

The layout we have chosen to tackle requires 20 pieces of 30" radius 30 degree track. I am using S-Traxx and have all of the other pieces needed, but I am 14 pieces short of the 30" radius. Is there any chance that someone on the list would be willing to trade? My budget is non-existent so trade is my first option, selling something on ebay is the next option to make some money to buy. I have 20" radius, 10" straight and 15" straight that I would be willing to trade. I would even be willing to trade a few extra to make it worth while to someone.

Thanks for your time & glad to be back!

Gary Chidester
Manti, Utah
Group: S-Trains Message: 59195 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/16/2010
Subject: 336
My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59196 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
I look forward to the answer to this one - my 332 derails at a certain curve going clockwise. BTW - cultural differences - in the British Commonwealth we say anti clockwise not counter clockwise. With the US predilection for living in the past I am actually surprized you don't say widdershins! Alistair



----- Original Message -----
From: john isn't eddie anymore
To: S-Trains
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 336



My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59197 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: SMALL MOTOR Vs LARGE MOTOR
Anyone know the # of plates on the small motor & the # on the large? Mike
in Ore


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59198 From: Rance and Bente Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Hi Alistair:
I assume you have your asbestos suit on! You deserve all the flame you
are going to get :-) ! Actually, I think 'anti' is also old - think of
anti-matter, anti-spin (electron's spin), anti-gravity (from 100 year
old Buck Rogers, etc.). So from a scientific sense, anti- is rooted in
long ago *anti*quity, while counter is more modern in counter-culture, etc.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (an expatriate American living in Norway)

Alistair McAllister wrote:
>
>
> I look forward to the answer to this one - my 332 derails at a certain
> curve going clockwise. BTW - cultural differences - in the British
> Commonwealth we say anti clockwise not counter clockwise. With the US
> predilection for living in the past I am actually surprized you don't
> say widdershins! Alistair
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john isn't eddie anymore
> To: S-Trains
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:17 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 336
>
> My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over
> as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59199 From: Gary Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
the front drivers are gauged correctly.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Trump" <neil.trump@...> wrote:
>
> I believe the problem is not related to the front pony truck, rather it is the front pair of drivers. I seem to have had a problem like this myself many years ago and it was an issue with the front or rear drivers or even both being out of gauge.
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil
>
> Can you be more specific as to what it does or doesn't do on curves?
> "Doesn't like" is hard to diagnose.
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59200 From: grdobbs Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: 326 tracking issues
I have had the same problems. I measured the flanges on the
drivers and found, mine has shallow flanges, just a small amount, but
shallower than newer 336's.
my new Rocklind geep, #1272 Flyer-lionel, with scale flanges has
the same problem, had to change out the flanges.
Jerry 77-11644
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59201 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
________________________________
From: gacesatg <gacesatg@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 7:38:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY

The 336 Northern is one of the most popular AF trains.  It is holding its value at around $475-$600 depending on small or large motor and condition.  Here in the South the prices are generally lower.  I bought one at $425 in nice condition.  You can also buy a good 336 on eBay for around $400.  I currently do not have one for purchase on my website.  I'm an operator and collector of AF trains.  I grew up in CT some 35 miles from New Haven where AF was manufactured until 1965.  My new website is aimed at operators, and I attempt to keep prices lower than Greenberg and areas of the U.S. such as New England and the West Coast.  See my address at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  Bob. 
 
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Larry Asp" <larry.asp@. ..> wrote:
>
> Its an interesting thread on what to pay for a 336 or what one should be
> worth. What is of interest too is war stories on finding them - or - how
> other Flyer goodies (rare or common) are found at less costly prices. Train
> shows,, dealers, ebay etc. are common retail markets and tend to influence
> the Greenburg pricing idea - but what about other sources at a more
> wholesale or less costly level - how do you hunt down and come up with Flyer
> stuff in the first place? Yard sales? News ads? Trades? Estates? Auctions?
> Clubs? Other collectors?
>
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>
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> Found mine in the news paper. Almost missed it, because the ad started with "American flyer train track" was a print error.Her son wanted HO., So she was selling a#336 challenger freight set,a pair of elec. switches,12B transformer and 13 plasticvile houses for $400.
I offersd #350 and she sold to me. Told me the train was from her childhood.Every thing was boxed and this was the best deal I've ever found.Tom.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59202 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
My 332 derails just sitting on the tracks.

Groucho Marx.

Sorry Grant Bishop and I have been talking about Groucho Marx in private, as the duck fell down with a 336 in it beak.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59203 From: Gary Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 326 tracking issues
The front drivers lift just enough to derail

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> Can you be more specific as to what it does or doesn't do on curves?
> "Doesn't like" is hard to diagnose.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
>
> In a message dated 02/16/2010 9:33:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> headlap2005@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> My 326 doesn't like to take curves very well. I think the problem is the
> front wheels raise when pulling a load. It has pul-mor tires on the rear. The
> problem is less evident when removing the pul-mor tires, but then then
> engine won't pull any cars.
> Any suggestions?
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59204 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
No, just move to the southern hemisphere. :)
Jim E.
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From: "john isn't eddie anymore" <druvnik@...>
To: "S-Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:47:31 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] 336






My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59205 From: Red Ned Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
One thing to look at is the limit of the front trucks. I have had to file the slot that the pin runs in slightly larger allowing more side to side movement. Left curve, left side, etc.. Most locos are not real forgiving on radius smaller than the OEM unless the pin is loose on the truck.

Other possiblility is crud built up on the flanges of the front pilot wheels. This debris reduces the clearance between the rails and acts as a grip allowing the front wheel flange to climb up the outside rail resulting in derailment. Clean with track cleaner, or alchohol. I prefer tequila while I am looking for the cleaner.


Doug
Group: S-Trains Message: 59206 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: New Photos
I always seem to find time to make new Christmas cars AFTER Christmas. I have added about 9 new photos to the photo album "Wayne's Christmas cars originals". The 5 streamliners go with the streamline pacific I posted last year. The baggage is used to transport Santa's reindeer (sans B&B circus train). The combine is for the elves so they can work on presents while enroute. You see one working on a present in the photo. The coach and dome car carry the staff for the official Christmas parade. The coach is named Christmas Parade and the dome Christmas Star. Passengers can see the Christmas stars from the dome. The silouettes are printed on light blue paper to give the feel of a cold winter's night. The observation is Santa's private car. Not sure you can see in the photo, but Mr. and Mrs. Claus are kissing in the rear window. This now completes the S gauge North Pole Express

There are also more freight cars. A coal car with candy coal for the bad boys and girls. One lump or two? The flat carrying the Christmas tree. That was actually one of the first cars I did. I think there are other cars I have not photographed yet. I'll check. There is also a flat to carry Santa's sleigh back to the North Pole. Cars just finished include the mistletoe car, the holly car (with a load of miniture holly), and Rudolph's rocket fuel car. I have not installed the rail and ladders on that one yet. But I took the photo anyway so the graphics could be seen easier.

All decals were created by computer. Some using Microscale white decal blanks and some clear decal blanks. For me, creating the graphics is the most fun.

I will now turn to non-Christmas theme cars. The first two might be a car full of "honest politicians" which will be an empty gondola, and a tank car full of dehydrated water.

Enjoy the latest creations.

Wayne Beachy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59207 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Like Gary with the 326 that has problems, check to make sure that the drivers are within gauge first.

I believe that on the early 33x/32x engines, they had what I call the low height flanges and when they enter a curve, the front driver then wants to ride up the rail rather than slide around it, consequently it comes off!

This is why I suspect that a certain way through production of the 32x/33x engines in the early/mid 50's, that they actually made the flanges larger to correct this problem.

So, to overcome these problems, check that they are in gauge and if it still happens then you may need to think about changing the wheels/rims to the later style.

Regards,

Neil
My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59208 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: PLasticville
HARWOOD.... If I can find them!!!! Bob

--- On Sun, 2/14/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:


From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:30 PM


 




Hey Bob, are you going to go for the Red Circus flats and the earliest circus flats with the door guides pined to the flat. These are a little darker yellow from the normal yellow cars.
Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville

Mike.... Sadly... I am back again... I walked out 2 days before my plane was due to leave from Cass... Even Doris here won't speak to me... Guess I am doomed to spend the rest of my days alone.... But I have been Snowmobiling ( and over an unsafe lake too) in Yellowstone, Zip Lining, Kissing a Dolphin, Down to 124' in a Sub... Along with other things like collecting.. . finished set # 2 of the circus stuff... all paper and all boxes... Now have a metal flat set and a pressed wood set...Just too much stuff... SO LETS KEEP DREAMING TRAINS!!!!!! !!!! Bob
PS Yes her name was Debbie... I did talk to Cass about a ring... BUT!!! and I did get Doris a ring... BUT!!!!
Thanks friend for your concerns.... Maybe someday lunch with Barb again!!!! At YORK!!!

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLasticville
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 4:47 PM

Bob,

I am glad you like my dream, but however since I put it on the TCA list, I left out the part of us saying this is it, we are done with York, as it was now like a antique mall, with a bit of trains here and there, even the regular vendors had very little trains.

I was talking to someone about York yesterday as that must of triggered it.

I have had a dream for years, in the 90's of always going down a stairway into a shoppe with lots of glass cases full of AF, as that is sort of how I got back into AF in 1991 when I found a shoppe in the basement of a home in Maine, as Doug Peck knows of Merle Parsons, of Wells, ME. He has since died and the place is now a beauty parlor. but even before he died, the second part of the dream is when I come back, as we always did, till he died and he remember us, the place had really nothing left, except maybe a 806 caboose. Weird.

By the way, in one of the out of print book on AF trains, there is a mention of a guy who wanted to collect all the 806 cabooses he could fine. I have no idea why?

Glad to hear you are still seeing that lady in Montana. Any marriage might come of this?

I know you still miss Debbie very much. I think her name is Debbie.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59209 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Bob,

Neat that you grew up in CT near New Haven.

we go to Maine every year and we take I-84 through Hartford.

The interstate goes under a G. Fox as I keep saying I need to stop and ask if any AF G Fox sets are still in stock. they probably would have no idea what the heck I am talking about.

Hey, maybe they have one in a back room somewhere. LOL

However, the store is now part of Macy's and that name over the interstate is gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Fox_&_Co.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59210 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
I believe the problem is that the large heavy engines like the early 32x/33x models have low height flanges, Gilbert changed these to be larger some time during the 326/336 production. The heavy engines front driving wheels tend to ride up the side of the rail rather than slide round.

It looks like the only real solution is to either change the wheels complete or change the rims to later deeper ones

Regards,

Neil



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59211 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Thanks neil - sounds right. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Trump
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336



Like Gary with the 326 that has problems, check to make sure that the drivers are within gauge first.

I believe that on the early 33x/32x engines, they had what I call the low height flanges and when they enter a curve, the front driver then wants to ride up the rail rather than slide around it, consequently it comes off!

This is why I suspect that a certain way through production of the 32x/33x engines in the early/mid 50's, that they actually made the flanges larger to correct this problem.

So, to overcome these problems, check that they are in gauge and if it still happens then you may need to think about changing the wheels/rims to the later style.

Regards,

Neil
My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59212 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Tongue in cheek Rance! There are holes in my asbestos suit these days but I am used to getting burnt as a regular buyer on eBay - LOL. Alistair
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From: Rance and Bente
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336



Hi Alistair:
I assume you have your asbestos suit on! You deserve all the flame you
are going to get :-) ! Actually, I think 'anti' is also old - think of
anti-matter, anti-spin (electron's spin), anti-gravity (from 100 year
old Buck Rogers, etc.). So from a scientific sense, anti- is rooted in
long ago *anti*quity, while counter is more modern in counter-culture, etc.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (an expatriate American living in Norway)

Alistair McAllister wrote:
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>
> I look forward to the answer to this one - my 332 derails at a certain
> curve going clockwise. BTW - cultural differences - in the British
> Commonwealth we say anti clockwise not counter clockwise. With the US
> predilection for living in the past I am actually surprized you don't
> say widdershins! Alistair
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john isn't eddie anymore
> To: S-Trains
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:17 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 336
>
> My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over
> as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59213 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Thank you. I was pretty sure that the flanges were worn as this is a high milage loco. I don't know why, but almost every staking came undone And I had to either restake or epoxy the bits. Not all at once, but over the 20-odd years that I've had it. BTW it is a great, cool (temp) runner- John Marganski

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From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 12:53 PM


 



Like Gary with the 326 that has problems, check to make sure that the drivers are within gauge first.

I believe that on the early 33x/32x engines, they had what I call the low height flanges and when they enter a curve, the front driver then wants to ride up the rail rather than slide around it, consequently it comes off!

This is why I suspect that a certain way through production of the 32x/33x engines in the early/mid 50's, that they actually made the flanges larger to correct this problem.

So, to overcome these problems, check that they are in gauge and if it still happens then you may need to think about changing the wheels/rims to the later style.

Regards,

Neil
My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59214 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Looks like time I bought an S gauge wheel puller! Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Trump
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336



I believe the problem is that the large heavy engines like the early 32x/33x models have low height flanges, Gilbert changed these to be larger some time during the 326/336 production. The heavy engines front driving wheels tend to ride up the side of the rail rather than slide round.

It looks like the only real solution is to either change the wheels complete or change the rims to later deeper ones

Regards,

Neil

My 336 can only run clockwise, even on S54. Run it CC, it falls over as soon as it enters a curve. Q: should I re-wheel it?- John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59215 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Thanks Doug. Alistair
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From: Red Ned
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:57 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 336




One thing to look at is the limit of the front trucks. I have had to file the slot that the pin runs in slightly larger allowing more side to side movement. Left curve, left side, etc.. Most locos are not real forgiving on radius smaller than the OEM unless the pin is loose on the truck.

Other possiblility is crud built up on the flanges of the front pilot wheels. This debris reduces the clearance between the rails and acts as a grip allowing the front wheel flange to climb up the outside rail resulting in derailment. Clean with track cleaner, or alchohol. I prefer tequila while I am looking for the cleaner.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59216 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Hi Mike.  We also travel to Wells Maine every summer to visit my brother.  He and wife Pat have a beautiful weekend home on the beach.  They live in Nashua during the week.  We drive from TN. to New England and use I-84 thru Hartford.  The only memory of G. Fox & Co. department store that I have today is a reproduction G. Fox & Co. NH box car for my AF collection.  I can't afford the classic.

Bob



________________________________
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 12:30:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY

 
Bob,

Neat that you grew up in CT near New Haven.

we go to Maine every year and we take I-84 through Hartford.

The interstate goes under a G. Fox as I keep saying I need to stop and ask if any AF G Fox sets are still in stock. they probably would have no idea what the heck I am talking about.

Hey, maybe they have one in a back room somewhere. LOL

However, the store is now part of Macy's and that name over the interstate is gone.

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ G._Fox_&_ Co.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59217 From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Speakin of a Repo G Fox boxcar, where might I get my hands on one???Bill


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59218 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Bob.

Wells Maine is sort of where I got the train bug again, as I wrote about this before. I will write about it again, as that dream I mentioned last week was the trainshoppe in the basement of a house as we got lost going from the Walker House (Bush House) back to US 1. We ended up on this road that went by the house with the Shoppe, as Doug Peck did repair work for him. He had a ton of used AF and I spent over 2000 on what he had as I had no idea of anything on AF what I was buying, but that it was great looking.

I got a 12b transformer, a 343 engine, 982 State of Maine as he had a five digit I did not take. What is neat about this car, the red part is orangey in color. It is not like it was in the sun,as the other colors are fine. The MStl Baldwin that Doug did a wonderful job in fixing a broken step, with the passenger cars, 3 Aluminum link passenger cars, track, maintaince house that went with the hand car, no hand car, a set of switches, a mint crossover track in box, track, after that he nothing else over the years, as he remember us. Again, he just had triple by pass surgery as he still smoke. Across the street was the Seaside or Seashore Trolley Museum which is wonderful. He always remember us, as I believe someone needed money as 1991 was a recession year, and Maine economy was effected badly. One year, the shop was a beauty parlor so that told me he died. Merle Parsons was his name as his shop was called Scale Rails, as I still have his business card.

Wells is a wonderful town for Antiques as Doug has a Shoppe in one mall. We have gotten many milk bottles in that area and some AF literature from one Shoppe's, things that came in with the sets like a list of repair places across the country and Canada. IN one Shoppe in Wells, I got a American League baseball bank, that is like a cone with bats of the teams around it, as it has the KC A's on it. I got it for 60 as one went for 300 on Ebay a few years ago. I need a matching NL one.
By the way, the next time you go to Wells, stop in Arundel Seafood, on the right on US 1, as I think it is a few miles past Wells in Arundel ME. We love Maine, so much we get Down East magazine to keep up.

We have been to many train Shoppe's along the I-84 corridor in CT.

Try the Gray Gull for dinner near Moody Beach I think.

Don't get me started on Maine, as I know this is trains. LOL

I have been told by many in Maine I know more about Maine then they do.

Go to Portland for a baseball game!

Okay stop me now.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Iannacone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY



Hi Mike. We also travel to Wells Maine every summer to visit my brother. He and wife Pat have a beautiful weekend home on the beach. They live in Nashua during the week. We drive from TN. to New England and use I-84 thru Hartford. The only memory of G. Fox & Co. department store that I have today is a reproduction G. Fox & Co. NH box car for my AF collection. I can't afford the classic.

Bob

________________________________
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 12:30:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY


Bob,

Neat that you grew up in CT near New Haven.

we go to Maine every year and we take I-84 through Hartford.

The interstate goes under a G. Fox as I keep saying I need to stop and ask if any AF G Fox sets are still in stock. they probably would have no idea what the heck I am talking about.

Hey, maybe they have one in a back room somewhere. LOL

However, the store is now part of Macy's and that name over the interstate is gone.

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ G._Fox_&_ Co.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59219 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
There is a picture of the forerunner to the All Aboard panels on page 28 of Robert Tuft's book, "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets" This set was numbered 28143 for 1960 and consisted of a 4 x 6 foot wooden base with six "scenic-rama" sections. These sections were textured and painted, with fiber roadbed, track, and transformer.
The All Aboard sets made their debut in 1965 with a large sales campaign. The development of these panels had been subcontracted out, Gilbert had only to add the track, trains, and accessories.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59220 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Ebay item
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390156526662&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

Ebay is not dead for cheap trains, as I lost on this wonderful 25052 as I have two LN ones for two sets, but I have two more sets to go.

I knew I needed to bid higher, as it was not urgent to get. there will be more, but I just wanted to show that good pieces do command good prices.

IN reality I should of bided 300, but that is fine, as I have some major roof work to be done to the house due to ice.

Oh no, ebay is still a good place for all.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59221 From: clayton deich Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
 Last year I put an order in for some AF "O" gauge wheels with them, and they showed up. I must be a lucky Yank! :)) 
 PS Hi Alistair!
 Clayton  Oregon
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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:53 PM
















 









Still alive but a one person set up and done part time. Almost impossible to contact - big backlog of Standard Gauge orders so I would not bother at this stage trying to chase it up. Alistair

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From: paflyrman

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:22 AM

Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works



Does NE1 know if this company still exists? They sold prewar parts for AF/L/I/Dorf. If not, what happened to their inventory? Thank you.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59222 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Bill, I got my G. Fox repro from David R. Benson of Goshen, KY.  He sells the reproductions on eBay.  You can request a Fox from him by contacting his e-mail at dave@... .  He remakes a lot of different AF cars and classics.  He does great restorations.  His phone number is 502 292-1872.  His address is P.O.
box 494, Goshen, KY  40026.  Bob



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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:47:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY

 
Speakin of a Repo G Fox boxcar, where might I get my hands on one???Bill

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59223 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Historical societies
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Mike:

I can tell you that the Reading Company Technical & Historical Society has meets in April and October every year at the Leesport Farmers Market in Leesport, PA
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59224 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re: Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
Hi Clayton.Seems to have had problems in the last 6 months. He is concientious but from correrspondence on the Standard Gauge site it appears he will be a bit longer before he can get back to it. Alistair
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From: clayton deich
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works



Last year I put an order in for some AF "O" gauge wheels with them, and they showed up. I must be a lucky Yank! :))
PS Hi Alistair!
Clayton Oregon
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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:53 PM



Still alive but a one person set up and done part time. Almost impossible to contact - big backlog of Standard Gauge orders so I would not bother at this stage trying to chase it up. Alistair

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From: paflyrman

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:22 AM

Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic: ? About Model Engineering Works

Does NE1 know if this company still exists? They sold prewar parts for AF/L/I/Dorf. If not, what happened to their inventory? Thank you.

paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59225 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: good ol' 336
got my 336 set, a 1954, at a discount house in washington dc at christmas 1955, with lawn mowing money. was torn between the 326 passenger set, my dad laughed heartily because i had to have the very best steamer. good thing, as i have bot many hudsons for cheap in the '70s. my 336 ran 1956-1951 on our 10'x8' layout, been onthe shelf ever since. i had to slow it down on the curves which i did not have to do with any other loco. but do not remember a derailing problem, just knew it had a long wheelbase. was pretty sharp for a 5th grader, eh??? dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59226 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Repro Rare Rolling Stock
Hi All,

Here is a site that has repaints for some of the rare AF rolling stock:

A.C. Gilbert American Flyer S-Gauge Rarity Repaints

http://home.comcast.net/~seg50/

I don't know anything about this site other than it has been referenced on this group in the past by several members discussing repaints.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59227 From: navmedguy Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Universal Cruise Commander?
TMCC gurus.... Alright, we all know I mean Carl ---

I've read that the AF locomotive motors are "universal" and can run on DC or AC.

Will the ERR AC/DC commander or Cruise Commander run the AF 'universal' motors well? (As I understand it, the commanders would be taking AC track power, but then running the motor with DC current.)

I feel like I should send you something for all the help you've provided. If you're in Washington, I could provide some free medical care... :)

Thanks
dr y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59228 From: Bruce Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re:
My point was that inflation has not more than quadrupled in the last 20 years. Not even in the price of gas, which has no more than tripled in price. Things do not cost 4 or 5 times more than they did in 1990.

Bruce



From: Alistair McAllister
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:39 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:



Wish I could buy anything at 1990 prices - right around the world the 90's were renowned for rampant inflation. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:

Amazing. I understand inflation, but I bought a 336 in excellent condition in 1990 for $125 from a member of the TCA. Seems to be a little price gouging going on here, but I don't blame the seller, as they are obviously in it for the quick buck. I blame the obvious ignorance of the buyer.

This is kind of like the NBA or MLB overpaying for a player's services (the Yankees come to mind here), thereby setting the bar at an unrealistic level for most of the other teams.

Bruce

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:33 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:

As we are a restoration and repair facility we have been getting, at auction, between $525.00 and $625.00 for a #336 in EXCELLENT condition with the LARGE motor and a working whistle.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59229 From: Bruce Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Re:
Yard sales and outlets, such as Goodwill and the Salvation Army, are no longer viable, as most folks have been clued in regarding the value of old trains. Ads in newspapers are usually placed by those that desire to buy, not sell. Even hobby shop's supply of S gauge seems to be drying up, and those hobby shops that have any for sale (usually the common pieces) place a premium price on their stock. From what I have experienced, Ebay, major train meets, and individual club meets are pretty much the only outlets anymore for AF S.

Gone are the days when you could go to a flea market and pick up an excellent 24060 M&STL box for $5.00. I did just that in 1976, probably my best find over the years.

Bruce



From: Larry Asp
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:53 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:



Its an interesting thread on what to pay for a 336 or what one should be
worth. What is of interest too is war stories on finding them - or - how
other Flyer goodies (rare or common) are found at less costly prices. Train
shows,, dealers, ebay etc. are common retail markets and tend to influence
the Greenburg pricing idea - but what about other sources at a more
wholesale or less costly level - how do you hunt down and come up with Flyer
stuff in the first place? Yard sales? News ads? Trades? Estates? Auctions?
Clubs? Other collectors?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59230 From: MikeS Date: 2/17/2010
Subject: Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................
Take a look at the Home Page on the TTP&M sight linked below. That diesel does not look familiar? Anyone add anything to this?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/

Mike Spanier
Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 59231 From: DonR Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Did A. C. Gilbert invent the modular layout?
Harwood,
I am not familiar with the 28143 set. However, in 1959, Gilert marketed a "Scena_Rama" Special, #20048. I believe this was a department store special.
It contained 6 fiber undecorated textured panels, fiber roadbed and track along with the bags of grass, dirt and foilage. There was also five containers of water colors. This may have been the forerunner of the All Aboard Sets. The rolling stock was headed by a 21085 and included the Christmas tree flatcar (24558). My set is unused but missing the grass and paint. Probably the old story of the dealer removing them to help one of his customers. Doubt I will ever find them unless someone can help with photos so I know what to look for. I have seen 2 other incomplete and well used sets but no paints there either.
The following 28143 set that you mentioned must have been the follow-up to the Scena-Rama.
Don Rosa

In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:

This set was numbered 28143 for 1960 and consisted of a 4 x 6 foot wooden base with six "scenic-rama" sections. These sections were textured and painted, with fiber roadbed, track, and transformer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59232 From: Rance and Bente Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Bruce:
Unfortunately, "collectibles" generally do not follow inflation. Since
there were not that many 336's compared to 312's, etc., one might expect
to pay somewhat higher prices than inflation would predict.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Bruce wrote:
>
>
>
> My point was that inflation has not more than quadrupled in the last
> 20 years. Not even in the price of gas, which has no more than tripled
> in price. Things do not cost 4 or 5 times more than they did in 1990.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: Alistair McAllister
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:39 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:
>
> Wish I could buy anything at 1990 prices - right around the world the
> 90's were renowned for rampant inflation. Alistair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:
>
> Amazing. I understand inflation, but I bought a 336 in excellent
> condition in 1990 for $125 from a member of the TCA. Seems to be a
> little price gouging going on here, but I don't blame the seller, as
> they are obviously in it for the quick buck. I blame the obvious
> ignorance of the buyer.
>
> This is kind of like the NBA or MLB overpaying for a player's services
> (the Yankees come to mind here), thereby setting the bar at an
> unrealistic level for most of the other teams.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:33 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:
>
> As we are a restoration and repair facility we have been getting, at
> auction, between $525.00 and $625.00 for a #336 in EXCELLENT condition
> with the LARGE motor and a working whistle.
> Dave
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59233 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Try this site also. I came across it, but never ordered anything, Mike in
Ore

_American Flyer S-Gauge Rarity Repros_ (http://home.comcast.net/~seg50/)

In a message dated 2/17/2010 4:52:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
aftrains4u@... writes:




Bill, I got my G. Fox repro from David R. Benson of Goshen, KY. He sells
the reproductions on eBay. You can request a Fox from him by contacting
his e-mail at _dave@lbrenterprisesdave@lb_ (mailto:dave@...)
. He remakes a lot of different AF cars and classics. He does great
restorations. His phone number is 502 292-1872. His address is P.O.
box 494, Goshen, KY 40026. Bob

________________________________
From: "_SFLYERCRAZY@SFLYERC_ (mailto:SFLYERCRAZY@...) "
<_SFLYERCRAZY@SFLYERC_ (mailto:SFLYERCRAZY@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:47:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY


Speakin of a Repo G Fox boxcar, where might I get my hands on one???Bill

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59234 From: clayton deich Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: good ol' 336
 I picked my 336 up with large motor twenty years back from a good AF friend RIP... I as most of you have run the train, but for now it sits on a shelf. This train was $250.00 at the time, and I had to think about - The then wife was standing there looking at me. You are not going to get that are you? Yes I am... She's gone but I have the 336. Not tell the end did she get on my back about the trains. To you that have a good wife that love you, and loves you hobby. My hats off to you gals, and I am looking for one that loves trains as much as I do. They are as rare as the good 336 with a large motor. ;)
 Clayton Oregon

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...> wrote:

From: reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] good ol' 336
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 5:25 PM
















 









got my 336 set, a 1954, at a discount house in washington dc at christmas 1955, with lawn mowing money. was torn between the 326 passenger set, my dad laughed heartily because i had to have the very best steamer. good thing, as i have bot many hudsons for cheap in the '70s. my 336 ran 1956-1951 on our 10'x8' layout, been onthe shelf ever since. i had to slow it down on the curves which i did not have to do with any other loco. but do not remember a derailing problem, just knew it had a long wheelbase. was pretty sharp for a 5th grader, eh??? dale






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59235 From: gettysburg9 Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: AF 762 Wiring Diagram needed
Came across my E+ 762 2-in-1 Whistling Billboard. That is cosmetically speaking. I need a diagram as to where the wires go from the billboard to the button control itself. Cut leads are soldered onto the button contacts, but some are missing. Do not want to use trial and error method. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Hate to pack it away and forget about it for another year or two. Thanks guys.

Frustrated Paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 59236 From: George Cohn Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re:
Bruce wrote:

> Yard sales and outlets, such as Goodwill and the Salvation Army, are no
> longer viable, as most folks have been clued in regarding the value of
> old trains.

Once in a great while you still find the Goodwill and Salvation Army
type sales but they are on eBay! I picked up a nice 283 from eBay last
week for about $35 that was listed by a religious based thrift store.

It was complete and just needed cleaning and lubricating and will be a
great runner.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59237 From: Ben Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Big Boy hesitation
I got my Big Boy back from the repair shop and all seems to be well. The front can motor, I assume, was replaced taking care of the vibration.

I do have a small problem with the engine pausing on the track at select points and then going again a few seconds later...it never shifts into neutral, so the power is not completely lost. I am thinking maybe a dirty track issue. I will clean things a bit and see what happens. Also wondering if anyone else out there has similar problems? I am running in conventional, but might look into TMCC...maybe.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59238 From: michael prell Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: good ol' 336
Funny thing! Thats exactly what I call my Wife! "Old 336". I'm one of the lucky ones! (8>)

 Mike
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 2/18/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:


From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] good ol' 336
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 2:47 AM


 



 I picked my 336 up with large motor twenty years back from a good AF friend RIP... I as most of you have run the train, but for now it sits on a shelf. This train was $250.00 at the time, and I had to think about - The then wife was standing there looking at me. You are not going to get that are you? Yes I am... She's gone but I have the 336. Not tell the end did she get on my back about the trains. To you that have a good wife that love you, and loves you hobby. My hats off to you gals, and I am looking for one that loves trains as much as I do. They are as rare as the good 336 with a large motor. ;)
 Clayton Oregon












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Group: S-Trains Message: 59239 From: Dave Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: G. Fox Box Car
As our name has come up in the G. Fox conversation I thought I would let everyone know, that yes we do offer the repainted #633 G. Fox box cars that are made from original pre 1966 AF parts. They are very limited in nature and the cost is $85.00 per car which includes shipping via USPS PRIORITY MAIL within CONUS. If anyone wants to get on our waiting list for one to be made for them please contact us off list at dave@... and we will reply to your request ASAP.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
dave@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59240 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: good ol' 336
Clayton,

Linda said didn't she ever buy anything for 250? her words not mine.

I am very sorry to hear that you are single as we have emailed in private before.

I am very lucky to have a wife who likes the things I do, trains, bike riding outdoors, baseball, she scorekeeps!

Hang in there, as you never know when you will met someone, as I did on the day Ronald Reagan was shot on 3-30-81, at about the same time.

We met at a Pyschiatric hospital in Rockville, MD Chestnut Lodge a very exclusive hospital now homes. the main building dates back to the 1890' looks like somethign from a Steven King Movie. So you see. LOL

No, we where not pateints, she was a dietitic intern for college and I was a food salesman trying to sale food to the cafeteria. I did not get the account, but I got something better. Sadly, the main building was torched by a arsonist last year, as they where going to turn it into condos.

Best of luck, get active with things, outdoor groups, something. I think someone on this list just got married as he was in a dancing class.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59241 From: Monte Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: 336
One of the early members of our club in Baltimore had an open design house with 4 levels. His layout was on the fourth level and he extended it by laying track on beams that were 20 feet in the air. This track work included standard AF curves. He ran his 336's on this trackage and never had a derailment. He was a perfectionist when it came to maintaining his engines to factory spec. and his track work was perfect.

Its amazing what can be done if you really want too.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59242 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Layout design programs
I'm preparing to design my layout which will be partially based on the
East Broad Top and the dual gauge yard at Mt. Union, PA.

I was wondering if anyone has had good or bad experiences with any of
the CAD tools available?

I've seen AnyRail, Cadrail and 3rd Plaint. Are there others to consider?

Are they really worthwhile or a nice toy but a waste of money?

thanks in advance for all your help

Carey



Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...



A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59243 From: Ben Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: 336
My 336 had badly shrunken white insulators. It used to derail on curves because the wheels just fell into the rails as it was out of gauge. I had it "professionally" repaired by a well known dealer in Lancaster...then about a year later and a few heart fades while running it, I decided to tear into it and really worked to get the wheels properly gauged then glued up. Runs like an absolute champ now and I will never fear that I can't repair AF's most complicated engine at least as well as the guys who get paid for it.

I also disconnected the wires to the tender speaker as the buzz drove me crazy! I like the chugger and nothing else. Easilly reversible for the next guy.

> Like Gary with the 326 that has problems, check to make sure that the drivers are within gauge first.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59244 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: No comment...
...except that it's not April Fools Day:
http://screenrant.com/erector-set-meccano-movie-ross-45603/
Stan
Stokrocki





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59245 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy hesitation
Yes, my BB had the hesitation, or pausing, problem even after a thorough track cleaning. I'm thinking it's the trailing truck not constantly having all four wheels on the track. That's one of the problems, along with a myriad of electronic issues, that I listed when I took my BB back to the shop. That was three weeks ago and I'm still waiting...
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:48:46 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy hesitation






I got my Big Boy back from the repair shop and all seems to be well. The front can motor, I assume, was replaced taking care of the vibration.

I do have a small problem with the engine pausing on the track at select points and then going again a few seconds later...it never shifts into neutral, so the power is not completely lost. I am thinking maybe a dirty track issue. I will clean things a bit and see what happens. Also wondering if anyone else out there has similar problems? I am running in conventional, but might look into TMCC...maybe.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59246 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: engine repair
Ben,

Did you get your engine back yet?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59247 From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Thanx to all about the G Fox boxcar!!!!Bill In Oregon


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59248 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Layout design programs
Take a good look at XTrkCad which also features a discussion group on Yahoo

like STrains. It has Gilbert track module and is very versatile. Free and as
a bonus

you can populate your design with engines and cars and 'run' trains on it
(your design)

to see how traffic works on your layout. Many users upload files and S gauge
is among them...



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carey Probst
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:18 PM
To: Sn3@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Layout design programs





I'm preparing to design my layout which will be partially based on the
East Broad Top and the dual gauge yard at Mt. Union, PA.

I was wondering if anyone has had good or bad experiences with any of
the CAD tools available?

I've seen AnyRail, Cadrail and 3rd Plaint. Are there others to consider?

Are they really worthwhile or a nice toy but a waste of money?

thanks in advance for all your help

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59249 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re:
Hit and miss as you never know.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:



Bruce wrote:

> Yard sales and outlets, such as Goodwill and the Salvation Army, are no
> longer viable, as most folks have been clued in regarding the value of
> old trains.

Once in a great while you still find the Goodwill and Salvation Army
type sales but they are on eBay! I picked up a nice 283 from eBay last
week for about $35 that was listed by a religious based thrift store.

It was complete and just needed cleaning and lubricating and will be a
great runner.

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59250 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy hesitation
Ben,

I just saw this as I am reading messages first in as I saw your name on another message.

Thanks.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy hesitation



I got my Big Boy back from the repair shop and all seems to be well. The front can motor, I assume, was replaced taking care of the vibration.

I do have a small problem with the engine pausing on the track at select points and then going again a few seconds later...it never shifts into neutral, so the power is not completely lost. I am thinking maybe a dirty track issue. I will clean things a bit and see what happens. Also wondering if anyone else out there has similar problems? I am running in conventional, but might look into TMCC...maybe.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59251 From: mike rosz Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................
Not sure, what are the letters on the engine?  could be "ROCKET"




________________________________
From: MikeS <hspanier@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 9:19:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................

 
Take a look at the Home Page on the TTP&M sight linked below. That diesel does not look familiar? Anyone add anything to this?

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ToyTrainPa perMemorabilia/

Mike Spanier
Chicago







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59252 From: Rhett George Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: 336
- GreetingS -

My first loco that did not like curved track was a 293 with traction
tires on the third axle set. It would run one direction on the curves
but not the other. Some six or eight years ago I measured the flanged
drivers with a vernier caliper and found the tread o.d. was not the
same all the way around. This explained why the loco would rock on
straight, flat track. [This is why I am an advocate of a piece of
flat track dedicated to testing the ability of the four end wheels
to simultaneously rest on the rails. Good for tender trucks also.]

About two years ago this loco took to leaping. Small leaps at first,
but I did not know where this was leading. Examination showed quickly
that the traction tire had torn and folded back on itself. Hmmmf.
On measuring o.d. where there was no tire remnant, I found this driver
had the same tread diameter as the front drivers. Furthermore the
flange depth of three drivers now agreed. A bit of scraping with the
hobby knife square chisel blade cut away the other traction tire, an
ersatz tire I do believe.

It has been a sweet-running, track-following loco ever since. The
moral here is to check the obvious - tread diameter.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 59253 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Layout design programs
I can't speak to the handiness, reliability, or cost of the well known track planning software. However, I've used "Trainz" to dabble with designing layouts to see how they will work operationally. And it is also fun to play with, but kind of expensive and doesn't "draw" the layout like the others, it gives you 3D rendering.
When it comes down to real track planning, I use the "Mark One Track Planning Kit." It only costs a few bucks and can be used for other things as well! It's a pencil and a tablet of graph paper. Sometimes an extra eraser is handy.
Okay, I'm old and cheap, but it always seems to work pretty well...
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59254 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Docksider smoke
I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or is there a better/different fluid I should be using?

Pat, in Maine

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59255 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/18/2010
Subject: Re: Universal Cruise Commander?
Dr. Y,

In theory you could run a universal AC motor with a "DC" output TMCC driver
board but you would have to add a bridge rectifier to the field winding or
brushes so it will reverse when the motor output of the TMCC board changes
polarity.

But why do it? It is not as efficient as the AC board. The DC board already
has a bridge in it to make the DC for the motor. So you have the power loss
of two bridges.

The AC driver board reverses the polarity to the feild or brushes by using
two sets of driver triacs or mosfets, one for each direction and therfore no
rectifer is needed..

A Cruise TMCC (DC output) board can not by used on an AC motor using a
bridge because it needs to see the back EMF to determine the motors load or
RPM.

Carl





-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:33 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Universal Cruise Commander?



TMCC gurus.... Alright, we all know I mean Carl ---

I've read that the AF locomotive motors are "universal" and can run on DC
or AC.

Will the ERR AC/DC commander or Cruise Commander run the AF 'universal'
motors well? (As I understand it, the commanders would be taking AC track
power, but then running the motor with DC current.)

I feel like I should send you something for all the help you've provided.
If you're in Washington, I could provide some free medical care... :)

Thanks
dr y






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59256 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Sorry Pat. It ain't gonna smoke much. Nature of the beast.
Steve


In a message dated 02/18/2010 7:37:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
preardon@... writes:




I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas the
Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output as I
would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older Flyer locos.
Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or is there a
better/different fluid I should be using?

Pat, in Maine

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59257 From: MikeS Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................
Yes, it does say Rocket. It is a regular American Flyer engine?

Mike Spanier

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure, what are the letters on the engine?  could be "ROCKET"
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: MikeS <hspanier@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 9:19:54 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Can You Provide Any Insight On..........................
>
>  
> Take a look at the Home Page on the TTP&M sight linked below. That diesel does not look familiar? Anyone add anything to this?
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ToyTrainPa perMemorabilia/
>
> Mike Spanier
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59258 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Docksider smoke
Pat,

Open it up, disconnect the smoke unit wires, and reconnect them directly
to the pickups, bypassing the smoke unit board.

It will make all the difference, although you won't be able to turn it
on and off anymore.

And then consider using An1 fluid, if you aren't already.





<<I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas
the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output
as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older
Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or
is there a better/different fluid I should be using?>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59259 From: Alex Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Hi Pat,
I find that Anormal's smoke fluid works the best in my Docksider and I have tried several types. However, even at best, the smoke output is still far less than my old Flyers. How about posting some photos of your converted Thomas? Currently he is the reason that the kids to flock to train shows and is the best marketing tool for attracting kids to the World's Greatest Hobby. Every layout that reaches out to kids should have a Thomas on hand, he's a really useful engine.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: The Reardon's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Docksider smoke



I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or is there a better/different fluid I should be using?

Pat, in Maine

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59260 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Pat & Doug,

You should change the element to a 27 ohm, part number 6008141055.
The original is 18 ohms and will not last long.

You should still use the smoke switch
See: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/wiring.htm

And check the packing while the smoke unit is open to be sure it is not
blocking the air flow.

Carl.

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Doug Peck
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Docksider smoke



Pat,

Open it up, disconnect the smoke unit wires, and reconnect them directly
to the pickups, bypassing the smoke unit board.

It will make all the difference, although you won't be able to turn it
on and off anymore.

And then consider using An1 fluid, if you aren't already.

<<I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas
the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output
as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older
Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or
is there a better/different fluid I should be using?>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59261 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Hi Pat,

You can search the messages archive and find a lot of discussion about the lack of smoke and other problems associated with the Docksider. As I recall the discussions were shortly after the Docksider was released.

I put a gondola with about five pounds of lead behind my Docksider. That requires high voltage to get it moving but it does finally smoke pretty good. I'm thinking doing this long term will burn the engine up then I'll have a good excuse to throw it in the trash where it belongs! By the way, did I mention I hate this piece of Lionel junk?

BG1



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The Reardon's" <preardon@...> wrote:
>
> I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or is there a better/different fluid I should be using?
>
> Pat, in Maine
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59262 From: Ben Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy hesitation
I may have to look into loosening the trailing truck screw to let it "float" better over the rails. Not sure what that looks like yet, but worth a try. I suppose some of my trackage might dip a little. It usually does this stalling thing near, but not always on, switches.

Thanks for the heads up!

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote:
>
> Yes, my BB had the hesitation, or pausing, problem even after a thorough track cleaning. I'm thinking it's the trailing truck not constantly having all four wheels on the track. That's one of the problems, along with a myriad of electronic issues, that I listed when I took my BB back to the shop. That was three weeks ago and I'm still waiting...
> Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59263 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: vehicles in S
http://stores.ebay.com/Diorama-Scale-Headquarters__W0QQ_nkwZ1Q2064Q20scaleQQ_fromZR46

I came across this by accident yesterday and I purchased about 8 cars, including a S scale ice cream truck, 66 mustang, etc. Plus some coke things.

For those in O, go to home, as I believe he has 1:43.

Sadly the Parking meters and human skulls are in 1:24. LOL

Always nice to have a bunch of skulls on a layout. LOL

Oh, if you buy something as most of this is buy it now, he ships right away, like in 30 minutes, so don't pay until you are done, as he will send you a invoice for multiple things to save on postage. He is out of the state of WA near the Idaho border. Ask for a Simplot potato. Hugo will look snazzy in his Ford Mustang as Che has the Impala.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59264 From: richs009 Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Docksider smoke
I have a Flyonel Mikado (the UP road-name version) that produces very little smoke - not at all like my old 'real' Flyer steamers. I've tried using the AN1 smoke fluid with little effect. Would making the changes suggested below help in this case? Frankly, I'm not at all certain about how the 'new' smoke units work, since there isn't a piston to force air through the smoke box.

By the way, I have a Docksider (#48063) that smokes up a storm.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Pat & Doug,
>
> You should change the element to a 27 ohm, part number 6008141055.
> The original is 18 ohms and will not last long.
>
> You should still use the smoke switch
> See: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/wiring.htm
>
> And check the packing while the smoke unit is open to be sure it is not
> blocking the air flow.
>
> Carl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of Doug Peck
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:15 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Docksider smoke
>
>
>
> Pat,
>
> Open it up, disconnect the smoke unit wires, and reconnect them directly
> to the pickups, bypassing the smoke unit board.
>
> It will make all the difference, although you won't be able to turn it
> on and off anymore.
>
> And then consider using An1 fluid, if you aren't already.
>
> <<I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas
> the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output
> as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older
> Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or
> is there a better/different fluid I should be using?>>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> www.flyerparts.com
> www.sgaugetrains.com
> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59265 From: Rance and Bente Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Alex wrote:
>
>
> Hi Pat,
> I find that Anormal's smoke fluid works the best in my Docksider and I
> have tried several types. However, even at best, the smoke output is
> still far less than my old Flyers. How about posting some photos of
> your converted Thomas? Currently he is the reason that the kids to
> flock to train shows and is the best marketing tool for attracting
> kids to the World's Greatest Hobby. Every layout that reaches out to
> kids should have a Thomas on hand, he's a really useful engine.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Reardon's
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:54 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Docksider smoke
>
> I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas
> the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output
> as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older
> Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or
> is there a better/different fluid I should be using?
>
> Pat, in Maine
>
Hi all:
Speaking of Thomas, are there any Thomas' in S gauge now? I will
probably look for two or so in the near future for grandchildren.
Anybody on the list have any for sale?
regards
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
any modifications from O to S?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59266 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Train Inventory Sheet
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QH1-SzE75_RpI3HQo7Os8KQJiKICniCqipL7yq7-nJ_k6rrzqG0zG4mZ_PsrZTlzfGrJDaya6oALROn-yTk0CFTz4LBeLgY5/Train%20Inventory%20Sheet.jpg
Back in 1992 when I joined the TCA in the packet was a inventory sheet.

I downloaded a copy in files, as you can take a white sticker and cover up row, as I have 28 rows of trains in my train row. So the first line would be row 1 and the next line the actual train. However you have your collection you can adjust the sheet, cover up the American Flyer etc.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59267 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Some of the Seuthe smoke units are just weak even brand new. If the voltage out
of the regulator is 3.7-4 volts and it still has weak smoke, the smoke unit
needs replacing.
The replacements are slightly different and smoke better. I have change a
couple of mine that never did smoke well and it is a big improvement.
I have a page that shows how at.
http://www.tuveson.com/Mikado/replacing_smoke_unit.htm

Lionel part number: 6408036200

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of richs009
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Docksider smoke



I have a Flyonel Mikado (the UP road-name version) that produces very
little smoke - not at all like my old 'real' Flyer steamers. I've tried
using the AN1 smoke fluid with little effect. Would making the changes
suggested below help in this case? Frankly, I'm not at all certain about how
the 'new' smoke units work, since there isn't a piston to force air through
the smoke box.

By the way, I have a Docksider (#48063) that smokes up a storm.

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 59268 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Train Inventory Sheet
when I click, the link fails

can you please correct

thanks

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QH1-SzE75_RpI3HQo7Os8KQJiKICniCqipL7yq7-nJ_k6rrzqG0zG4mZ_PsrZTlzfGrJDaya6oALROn-yTk0CFTz4LBeLgY5/Train%20Inventory%20Sheet.jpg
> <http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QH1-SzE75_RpI3HQo7Os8KQJiKICniCqipL7yq7-nJ_k6rrzqG0zG4mZ_PsrZTlzfGrJDaya6oALROn-yTk0CFTz4LBeLgY5/Train%20Inventory%20Sheet.jpg>
> Back in 1992 when I joined the TCA in the packet was a inventory sheet.
>
> I downloaded a copy in files, as you can take a white sticker and
> cover up row, as I have 28 rows of trains in my train row. So the
> first line would be row 1 and the next line the actual train. However
> you have your collection you can adjust the sheet, cover up the
> American Flyer etc.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59269 From: biew19 Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: sliver bullet voltage?
Thanks every one for the help I got the engine running. I have one more question can you get the engine to back up if so how?
Thanks Joe
Group: S-Trains Message: 59270 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
Friends,
 
My lovely bride purchased a Bethlehem Steel docksider for me for this past Christmas. It actually smokes very well after the excess fluid burns down. I have learned to cut back on the fluid when it stops smoking rather than adding too much. 3 or 4 drops is plenty and provides a lot of smoke for several minutes. I use AN1 smoke fluid in all of my Flyer engines but when I fired up the docksider, Flyonel must have used some of their smoke fluid in it to test it. Their smoke not only doesn't work well but it smells like burning cow patties. It actually makes my eyes water. I have tried everything to get rid of the stench but after two months of daily running and smoking, it still smells bad. I must run at least two other steamers to overpower the stench from the Lionel fluid. I hope that it is gone soon.
 
I also have an original 21155 0-6-0 dockside switcher that has the HO scale smoke unit in it. Unfortunately, after almost 50 years, the body mounts have broken out and the shell just rests on the mechanism. about 20 years ago, I replaced the wiper pickup pads. They were worn through from use. It still runs and smokes like new.
 
BTW, the new docksider does seem to have some sort of piston pushing the smoke out, unfortunately, there is no chuff sound to go with it.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
I have a Flyonel Mikado (the UP road-name version) that produces very little smoke - not at all like my old 'real' Flyer steamers. I've tried using the AN1 smoke fluid with little effect.  Would making the changes suggested below help in this case?  Frankly, I'm not at all certain about how the 'new' smoke units work, since there isn't a piston to force air through the smoke box.
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59271 From: Gary Chidester Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke
He's a really useful engine! Well said Alex. It's what has my sons ages 11 and 2 involved with me and my American flyer and S-Scale trains.

Gary in Manti


On Feb 19, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Alex wrote:

> Hi Pat,
> I find that Anormal's smoke fluid works the best in my Docksider and I have tried several types. However, even at best, the smoke output is still far less than my old Flyers. How about posting some photos of your converted Thomas? Currently he is the reason that the kids to flock to train shows and is the best marketing tool for attracting kids to the World's Greatest Hobby. Every layout that reaches out to kids should have a Thomas on hand, he's a really useful engine.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Reardon's
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:54 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Docksider smoke
>
> I've just finished up converting an AF/Lionel Docksider into a "Thomas the Tank Engine" for my grandson. I'm not getting as much smoke output as I would like, or for that matter, not as much as any of my older Flyer locos. Has anyone else had this situation with the Docksider, or is there a better/different fluid I should be using?
>
> Pat, in Maine
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59272 From: sgaugian Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336
Gives a whole new meaning to hi-rail model railroading.

"...track on beams that were 20 feet in the air. "
Group: S-Trains Message: 59273 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Train Inventory Sheet
It worked for me, as wait a few seconds.

I can do it in the photo section.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carey Probst" <carey@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Inventory Sheet


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>> I downloaded a copy in files, as you can take a white sticker and
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59274 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336
There is one on ebay now, I am watching to see how it does. I will give the report on it at the end of the bid.

Mike
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From: sgaugian
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 336





Gives a whole new meaning to hi-rail model railroading.

"...track on beams that were 20 feet in the air. "





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59275 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Links for ebay items.
More cars below. All in S! Two invoices from Flatheads Garage.

Plus the 79 Labaron Station Woody wagon paid for yesterday.
Ice cream truck too!
Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59276 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: National Canal Museum
One of my other interest in life, as I have too many, LOL, are canals, for the history, the beauty and the leisure activities we get from these today, like walking, biking and even history.

I am a member of many things, not just trains, as I belong to the National Canal Museum in Easton, PA, as I never been there before, but I like to support things like this and I hope to get there one day. Their is a canal here in the Lehigh valley called the Lehigh Canal.

The reason I write about this, is for anyone who lives in the area or even a hour or so away, there is going to be talk and slide show by a Mitch Dakelman, a rail historian and film collector in 3-d on the railroads of NY, NJ and PA. Special 3d glasses will be there. Admission is $5 and it goes to the museum.

The talk is at the National Canal Museum in Easton, PA. Seating is 125 people.

Also, they are looking for new G scale trains and curved track for USA trains R8 1500.

that of course is for their displays.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59277 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Inventory Sheet
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1148738435/pic/236426410/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Okay I put this under Train Inventory Sheet in Photos.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59278 From: Gary Chidester Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Clearances and grades?
Excuse me if I am asking something that is listed in a FAQ somewhere. If someone could point me in that direction I would appreciate that as well.

I am starting my multi-level layout and was wondering what the recommendations are for minimum height clearance for an overpass/tunnel and maximum grade for Flyer trains. I run Showcaseline, American Models and still a few stock Flyer locos.

Thank you!

Gary in Manti
Group: S-Trains Message: 59279 From: The Reardon's Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
Hi Gary,

The tallest car on my layout is the walking brakeman boxcar. So, I make my height clearances about 1/2" taller than that, about 5 inchs above the ralis. As for grade, of course, the steeper the grade, the shorter the trains you will be forced to run. The A/F trestle set rises about 1 inch per 3 running feet. This is pretty steep! My advice is whenever possible, make your grades as low as is practical for your layout space. You'll be happier in the long run.

Pat, in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Chidester
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Clearances and grades?



Excuse me if I am asking something that is listed in a FAQ somewhere. If someone could point me in that direction I would appreciate that as well.

I am starting my multi-level layout and was wondering what the recommendations are for minimum height clearance for an overpass/tunnel and maximum grade for Flyer trains. I run Showcaseline, American Models and still a few stock Flyer locos.

Thank you!

Gary in Manti





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59280 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: ebay item
http://cgi.ebay.com/EASTWOOD-AMERICAN-FLYER-STAKESIDE-DELIVERY-TRUCK-MIB_W0QQitemZ280467989608QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item414d31e468

For those who lose on things, here is a example of something that has lower prices everytime I see it as lately they have been on ebay allot.

It is amazing that all of sudden you see on item that is on ebay for many times then nothing.

I got one of these this month for the layout, for the apple orchard, as I already have one for my lumber yard, so I needed another one.

I lost out on one at 36. Got one the same day for 19, now I see one for 15. I am still happy with the 19, but this is weird. LOL

you never know.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59281 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Inventory Sheet
Thanks, Mike. I've been needing to do something for inventory/value purposes for a long time. I've got this fear that I'll keel over and my wife and kids will look at my trains, be overwhelmed, and not know where to start. Having them listed like this will give them a starting place to either keep what they want or dispose of them without just giving them away.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:06:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Inventory Sheet






http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1148738435/pic/236426410/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Okay I put this under Train Inventory Sheet in Photos.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59282 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/19/2010
Subject: Re: Inventory Sheet
Jim,

You are quite welcome as I do not think the TCA gives these out anymore to members.

But it is nice for non members to use too.

Now is the time to educate others in your family about your trains, what you have, values, how to find values etc.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jimensign50@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Inventory Sheet



Thanks, Mike. I've been needing to do something for inventory/value purposes for a long time. I've got this fear that I'll keel over and my wife and kids will look at my trains, be overwhelmed, and not know where to start. Having them listed like this will give them a starting place to either keep what they want or dispose of them without just giving them away.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:06:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Inventory Sheet

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1148738435/pic/236426410/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Okay I put this under Train Inventory Sheet in Photos.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59283 From: sgaugian Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
It many times goes that way online and live (e.g. at York and other
shows) - - feast or famine. Sometime not one of the item you're looking
for, then some other time there'll be several of them. Part of the fun
of the hunt.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59284 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: REX 2-4-0 loco newly listed on e-bay
Friends in 1:64,

FYI - During my morning stroll through e-bay I discovered a newly listed REX
2-4-0 loco. The item # is 130368732447

Enjoy!



Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@...

S/Sn42, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler

Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan

Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast



NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford
one!











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59285 From: sgaugian Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
The height of a Franklin plus some is one rule of thumb. Even if you
don't have one, a friend might come over with run to run, or you
preference in steam engines might change.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59286 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: I've smoked for years!
Smoke from toy/model steam locomotives has always been the "Holy Grail" of the miniature world. Some do it very well, others not so good. Way back, it was common to see cigarettes or incense burning in locomotive stacks, with the attending odoriferous results! Later there were the famous Lionel smoke "pill" units.
Probably the most prolific smokers ever are the MTH fan driven smoke units in their O gauge line. They have a nice sized reserve too. We could clear the whole hobby shop out from smoke in about fifteen minutes with one of those! The smaller MTH units can be shoehorned into bigger S gauge locos.
Next in line are our beloved old Gilbert era American Flyer smoke units. These produce a nice quantity of puffing smoke and have a nice sized tank to reduce refilling. They seem to have the right balance of smoke production vs. setting off smoke detectors too quickly.
From these, smoke production drops off rapidly as does capacity without refilling. Suethe units in LGB locos used to be the best of the all the rest, but smaller units for O, S, and HO lack capacity and don't smoke as well. The Suethe units can be fragile as far as voltage is concerned, and the type of fluid makes a difference.
And speaking of smoke fluids, there are some that are great, Anormal seems to be best in old Flyer units, Proto Smoke in MTH fan driven units, and Suethe in Suethe and Lionel units. Others will work, just not quite as well.
Scented smoke fluids are a mixed bag. We had customers who loved the "Bacon and Eggs" and "Apple Pie" scents, while "Coal Smoke" had a realistic sulphur smell that didn't go over well, and "Wintergreen" smelled like bad Dollar Store deodorant!
Actually, an efficiently fired steam loco doesn't smoke very much at all, so we could do without smoke units. But what fun would that be?
Stumpy Stone...stuck indoors too long..in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59287 From: sgaugian Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: REX 2-4-0 loco newly listed on e-bay
Thanks. If anyone comes across an American High Rail 20th Century
Limited Hudson, please let me know. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59288 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
Hi Gary,
If you're running any American Flyer crane cars you may want to measure the height of the boom and adjust it so it clears any of your tunnel portals.
Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Gary Chidester <gchidester@...> wrote:

From: Gary Chidester <gchidester@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Clearances and grades?
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 8:29 PM







 









Excuse me if I am asking something that is listed in a FAQ somewhere. If someone could point me in that direction I would appreciate that as well.



I am starting my multi-level layout and was wondering what the recommendations are for minimum height clearance for an overpass/tunnel and maximum grade for Flyer trains. I run Showcaseline, American Models and still a few stock Flyer locos.



Thank you!



Gary in Manti

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59289 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Clearances and grades?
Hi Gary,

There was a discussion on grade a couple of years ago. You can search the message archives to find those messages. I had a 4% grade on my last layout and had no problems even though most members thoguht that was too much. The secret to grades is to be sure you have a smooth entrance and exit section where the grade gradually changes. Just place an engine on the grade and slowly move it along being sure the wheels always make contact with the track and being sure nothing bottoms out.

Good luck!

BG1



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <gchidester@...> wrote:
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> Excuse me if I am asking something that is listed in a FAQ somewhere. If someone could point me in that direction I would appreciate that as well.
>
> I am starting my multi-level layout and was wondering what the recommendations are for minimum height clearance for an overpass/tunnel and maximum grade for Flyer trains. I run Showcaseline, American Models and still a few stock Flyer locos.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Gary in Manti
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59290 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: I've smoked for years!
Well said Stumpy,
 
Most of the engineers and firemen on my railroad would be fired. I have always tried to fill the room with smoke when I run my trains. I pick the best smokers that I have when I am running for guests. My star is a 293 4-6-2. She smokes more than any three locos I own. I have replaced smoke elements in several other locos but I have never gotten any of them to smoke like the 293. The little docksider my lovely bride got me for Christmas does pretty well though. I hope the Flyonel smell disappears after some running. I'd hate to be forced to replace the unit in a new loco.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
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Actually, an efficiently fired steam loco doesn't smoke very much at all, so we could do without smoke units.  But what fun would that be?
Stumpy Stone...stuck indoors too long..in Appalachia.
>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59291 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Train Show in Saline Michigan
The Ann Arbor Model RR Club's annual train show takes place tomorrow, Sunday 21 Feb 2010.

The location is the Saline Middle School, 7190 No Maple Rd, in Saline Michigan. Hours are from 10 AM to 4 PM.

I will be there with many tables of products of AM, SHS, PRS, SSA, SMMW, &c.

99% of what I have is AF compatible, and I'm sure there'll be lots of dealers with American Flyer.

Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59292 From: Gary Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: American flyer-switching to DC
I have installed DC can motors in some of my engines. Can I use the 30B AC transformer and convert it to DC? Radio Shack sold me a full wave bridge rectifier, 25a-50V.
Will this work? I am also running remote with a powermaster. Anything special to do with that?
Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59293 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: crate
Group: S-Trains Message: 59294 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: American flyer-switching to DC
Hi Gary,
 
Electronically, your answer is yes,. There is a but to add. A lot of manufacturers sold "rectifiers" for kids to use for the new DC HO scale eguipment. As one of those kids, I soon discovered that the "fins" on the rectifier were there for a reason, a very HOT reason. The selinium rectifiers back then were very poor semi-condustors and most of the conversion from AC to DC was actually wasted in heat. If you use the rectifier, make sure you mount it on a metal plate on a non-combustible material to act as a heat-sink. Your 30B puts out a lot of AMPs and that will convert to heat during the conversion. You should also use a heat-transfer grease to aid in the heat dissipation. If no heatsink is used, it will shorten the life of the bridge rectifier.
 
You still have that same problem today. Although a full-wave rectifier will convert the AC to DC, you will lose most of it in heat and the old 30B will work like a dog to put out the current to the rails. My suggestion is simple. Go to any train show and find a good, used MRC Power Pack. MRC makes some of the best analog power packs in the world and they are still in business right here in the Good Old USA. You can usually find one in the $10-$15 range that will work well with a can motor and still have enough power for more than one loco.
 
A rectifier will still work but it will also produce a very "dirty" DC wave form that can ruin the motor with the heavy spikes in the converted AC/DC voltage.. The cost of the capacitors and filters to make it safer for fine can motors will probably cost more than the used MRC pack.
 
 Unfortunately, Radio Shack is no longer the electronics hobbiest's place to go. Their main focus is cell phone sales and most of the employees in them haven't got a clue about electronics design or experimentors boards. I am actually surprised that the sales person actually knew about a rectifier.
 
I hope this helps. If you want more information, please contact me off-list. I've built a lot of DC power packs so I have some idea of what you might need.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
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I have installed DC can motors in some of my engines. Can I use the 30B AC transformer and convert it to DC? Radio Shack sold me a full wave bridge rectifier, 25a-50V.
Will this work? I am also running remote with a powermaster. Anything special to do with that?
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59295 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Bill there is a reproduction G. Fox & Co. boxcar on eBay right now.  It expires in 30 minutes.  Selling for $105 dollars. 

Bob






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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 1:28:17 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY

 
Thanx to all about the G Fox boxcar!!!!Bill In Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59296 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: can motors
Has anyone done a comparison of the pulling power of Flyer locomotives
equipped with the original universal motors against locomotives with the
SnS or Timko can motors?

Vic Breskin
Group: S-Trains Message: 59297 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: crate
Hi Mike,

Amato has a ton of these and puts em on eBay from time to time. I notice this auction has a quantity of more than 10. Purhaps you can buy an entire room full, turn em upside down and us em for chairs!

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Wood-Crate-from-American-Flyer-Factory_W0QQitemZ380208636251QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item588633615b
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> What ever train room needs!
>
> Mike Marmer
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59298 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
I believe there is a site that sells them for about 159 just in case. I have that site as he has done repros on many things and he said that. very nice looking cars.

http://home.comcast.net/~seg50/

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Iannacone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY



Bill there is a reproduction G. Fox & Co. boxcar on eBay right now. It expires in 30 minutes. Selling for $105 dollars.

Bob

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From: "SFLYERCRAZY@..." <SFLYERCRAZY@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 1:28:17 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY


Thanx to all about the G Fox boxcar!!!!Bill In Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59299 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: crate
David,

Wonderful idea, as you, I or anyone can do a living room too. Anyone remember This End Up furniture? Same concept.

Yes, I do know about Amato purchase of things.

By the way in NE Amato is also the name of a sub sandwich chain, just a tidbit of useless information. LOL

Okay here come the hate mail again. LOL

Hey, I cleared out the attached emails at least, so give me a break. LOL

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59300 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/21/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59301 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: crate
Kind of low seats at 9 inches deep upside down. 15 inches is a little
better if on the side, but 26 inches is getting on the high side if you
put them on end. :-)

Dale

bull_gator_1 wrote:
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> Hi Mike,
> you can buy an entire room full, turn em upside down and us em for
> chairs!
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> David
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59302 From: rj4010d Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: American flyer-switching to DC
Gary, You will have to install a bridge rectifier AFTER the ac current leaves your powermaster & feed the dc current into a DPDT toggel switch to control the direction of the train, & then the wires to the track.
Good Luck
Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@...> wrote:
>
> I have installed DC can motors in some of my engines. Can I use the 30B AC transformer and convert it to DC? Radio Shack sold me a full wave bridge rectifier, 25a-50V.
> Will this work? I am also running remote with a powermaster. Anything special to do with that?
> Thanks.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59303 From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Hi Bob...I already have one on order for 85.00..Thanx though!!!..Bill


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59304 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: 336 WAR STORY
Great Bill.  You will like the repro from Dave Benson.  Enjoy.

Bob




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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 7:50:27 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 336 WAR STORY

 
Hi Bob...I already have one on order for 85.00..Thanx though!!!..Bill

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59305 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
The can motors out pull the Flyer motors hands down....

Steve


In a message dated 02/20/2010 5:20:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
bereskin@... writes:




Has anyone done a comparison of the pulling power of Flyer locomotives
equipped with the original universal motors against locomotives with the
SnS or Timko can motors?

Vic Breskin




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59306 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: DC operation
Unless keeping your old Flyer 100% original is a requirement for collectability, I recommend DC power. When I returned to S gauge several years ago,I went straight DC power and have never looked back.
Operationally, DC power is unquestionably superior. There is no three position reverse unit to deal with, and the DC can motors are stronger, more electrically efficient, run cooler, and start smoother at lower power. I have run my converted Gilbert locos hour upon hour at train shows with no problems.
I dabbled with the rectifier deal for a few days and scrapped it. Using the old transformers and patching a system together by adding a rectifier works, but not all that well.
There is no use messing around with cruder old technology while good DC power packs exist. I have a used MRC 6200 pack, these were designed for DC trains from HO up to LGB and provide plenty of power. Doesn't it make sense that if you are going to upgrade your locomotives, you would upgrade your power as well?
Note that ALL new Flyonel, SHS, or AM trains are made with DC can motors. Onboard electronics convert them to run on AC only so they can be compatable with the older trains.
If you want to run both the AC and DC trains all you have to do is power the AC from a transformer, and the DC with a modern power pack.
Stumpy Stone...Hi-railer in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59307 From: rj4010d Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Train Tracker 5.5
Help needed!! Just received 5.5 kit .My wife is pretty good on computers, but has not won this battle yet.Any one with sussess please call 937-456 1226.Doug Peck maybe?
Sincerely,
Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh
Group: S-Trains Message: 59308 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Yes, and they run so smoothly and so cool. If you are thinking of
converting, it is well worth it.

-- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 2/21/2010 7:13:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
boss31@... writes:




The can motors out pull the Flyer motors hands down....

Steve


In a message dated 02/20/2010 5:20:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_bereskin@..._ (mailto:bereskin@...) writes:

Has anyone done a comparison of the pulling power of Flyer locomotives
equipped with the original universal motors against locomotives with the
SnS or Timko can motors?

Vic Breskin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59309 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Date:   Sunday February 21, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59310 From: rick gough Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Who sells Timco can motors?

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] can motors
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 1:11 PM


 



Yes, and they run so smoothly and so cool. If you are thinking of
converting, it is well worth it.

-- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 2/21/2010 7:13:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
boss31@... writes:

The can motors out pull the Flyer motors hands down....

Steve

In a message dated 02/20/2010 5:20:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_bereskin@qmix. ber_ (mailto:bereskin@qmix. net) writes:

Has anyone done a comparison of the pulling power of Flyer locomotives
equipped with the original universal motors against locomotives with the
SnS or Timko can motors?

Vic Breskin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59311 From: clayton deich Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: DC operation
I have an old rectiformer style transformer by AC Gilbert.  The transformer is the one with the tube that glows blue the more you power up your train. With the lights out in the train room it looks cool, and the kids love it too. The old technology is the starting point for them to learn from.  I love the old type technology. Where would we be with out it, and where would we be with out the new technology.
 Clayton Oregon

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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] DC operation
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:55 AM
















 









Unless keeping your old Flyer 100% original is a requirement for collectability, I recommend DC power. When I returned to S gauge several years ago,I went straight DC power and have never looked back.

Operationally, DC power is unquestionably superior. There is no three position reverse unit to deal with, and the DC can motors are stronger, more electrically efficient, run cooler, and start smoother at lower power. I have run my converted Gilbert locos hour upon hour at train shows with no problems.

I dabbled with the rectifier deal for a few days and scrapped it. Using the old transformers and patching a system together by adding a rectifier works, but not all that well.

There is no use messing around with cruder old technology while good DC power packs exist. I have a used MRC 6200 pack, these were designed for DC trains from HO up to LGB and provide plenty of power. Doesn't it make sense that if you are going to upgrade your locomotives, you would upgrade your power as well?

Note that ALL new Flyonel, SHS, or AM trains are made with DC can motors. Onboard electronics convert them to run on AC only so they can be compatable with the older trains.

If you want to run both the AC and DC trains all you have to do is power the AC from a transformer, and the DC with a modern power pack.

Stumpy Stone...Hi-railer in Appalachia.






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59312 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: American Flyer Sawmill Video Posted
Hi All,

I've posted a video of the American Flyer sawmill on youTube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNtY-AD4WJE

It works pretty good but I'm not sure how to keep the loader arm from flexing up as the board is dropped. Any suggestions?

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59313 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Lionel Barrel Loader Video Posted
Hi All,

I've posted a video of the Lionel barrrel loader on YouTube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji4T99voNVc

I'll get some more videos from different angles sometime so you can see the entire operation.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59314 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Guilford Station Video Posted
Hi All,

I've posted a video of the passengers mulling around the Guilford animated station on YouTube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHmwjSkdztM

Notice the people tend to tip to the side and get caught in the window as they go down stairs. They sometimes work out of the window and make their way through the lower level and back out to the upper level - sometimes they get stuck for good. The station walls are pretty level and the entire station is level. I'll try tweaking it and see if I can find out what the problem is.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59315 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Dance Time at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
Hi All,

The passengers were milling around and suddenly paired up and started dancing! See the security cam footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYjAxe4lKx8

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59316 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Doug Peck used to.... He'll probably say so if he still does...


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From: "rick gough" <racin510@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:21:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] can motors






Who sells Timco can motors?

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Sun, 2/21/10, tennsgauge@... < tennsgauge@... > wrote:

From: tennsgauge@... < tennsgauge@... >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] can motors
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 1:11 PM



Yes, and they run so smoothly and so cool. If you are thinking of
converting, it is well worth it.

-- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 2/21/2010 7:13:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
boss31@... writes:

The can motors out pull the Flyer motors hands down....

Steve

In a message dated 02/20/2010 5:20:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_bereskin@qmix. ber_ (mailto:bereskin@qmix. net) writes:

Has anyone done a comparison of the pulling power of Flyer locomotives
equipped with the original universal motors against locomotives with the
SnS or Timko can motors?

Vic Breskin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59317 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Near Tragedy at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
There was a near tragedy at the Guilford passenger station today as an impatient lady pushed her way past a local attorney and ran off the platform through the arrival gate. She fell from the platform onto the train tracks. Luckily there was no approaching train traffic and she was rescued by her fellow passengers. She escaped what could have been a life ending accident with minor scrapes and bruises.

See the security cam footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhWDXXqQ9kY

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59318 From: Dennis Back Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford Station Video Posted
>>>Notice the people tend to tip to the side and get caught in the window as they go down stairs.

To my eye (and ear) it seems like they're all going REALLY fast.  Maybe you could try slowing them down with the adjustment lever on the side.

Nice videos, btw.

Dennis (who has been lurking and not posting in a long while) 















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Group: S-Trains Message: 59319 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford Station Video Posted
Hi Dennis,

I power all my accessories using the constant voltage post of a 30B transformer. The constant voltage is 18.5V so it throws my turnouts every time. I use rheostats on the accessories to slow them down. I have the station running as slow as possible while allowing the people to come back up the ramp. If I slow it any more they all get stuck down stairs!

BG1


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59320 From: pkrae Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Near Tragedy at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
LOL!!  All that video needed were some traveling cows!
 
john jones
 
<>
 


--- On Sun, 2/21/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Near Tragedy at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 8:45 PM


 



There was a near tragedy at the Guilford passenger station today as an impatient lady pushed her way past a local attorney and ran off the platform through the arrival gate. She fell from the platform onto the train tracks. Luckily there was no approaching train traffic and she was rescued by her fellow passengers. She escaped what could have been a life ending accident with minor scrapes and bruises.

See the security cam footage here:

http://www.youtube com/watch? v=dhWDXXqQ9kY

BG1








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Group: S-Trains Message: 59321 From: bkweidner Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore????
Looking for info on 90 degree crossing suitable for hirail track or even American models code 148 track. The only ones I have found are original Gilbert track and also found one for code 100 track which will not work for my hirail trains. Any one make thier own if so how complicated is it to make?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59322 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: can motors
Yes, we stock both Timko, and SnS can motors.

Click on Can Motors on our website Index column.



<<<Doug Peck used to.... He'll probably say so if he still does...

----- Original Message -----

Who sells Timco can motors?>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59323 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Guilford
I  very much the posting of the video of the Guilford station but does anybody have video of the people loading and or unloading from the car? I own one of these but am not knowledgeable of how it works or how well it operates.
                           Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59324 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Train Tracker 5.5
First, be aware that 5.5 is not compatible with VISTA, nor will it run
on a Mac.

Second, it is probably not compatible with the new Windows 7.

However, if you have Windows 7, my network administrator suggested
this......



"Try the Windows 7 Compatibility settings and tell it to "Run in XP SP3
mode"

Here's a quick tutorial.

http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-solve-compatibility-problems-in-window
s-7/





<<<Help needed!! Just received 5.5 kit .My wife is pretty good on
computers, but has not won this battle yet...>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59325 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford Station Videos
Dave, my friend, you have some serious problems at the station! These commuters have obviously spent too much time at the local coffee shop getting "charged up" before heading off to work! That damn caffine will get you every time!
By the way, Stress is bad news for everyone. I tell my own story today and Wedmesday on Stumpy's Corner at: http://stumpyscorner.blogspot.com/ in case anyone is interested.
Meanwhile do something to wind those commuters down!
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59326 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: Guilford
Ray,

I'll make a video of the passenger car in operation soon!

BG1


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59327 From: Jim Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Good morning all-

I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.
Thanks,
Jim E.
(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59328 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Dance Time at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
They're not dancing, they are cold. I heard how cold it got down there in
sunny Florida.


Carlton





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59329 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Dance Time at the Guilford Station - Video Posted
Hi Carlton,

I was born and raised in beautiful Florida, but now live in Houston - where we have snow predicted for tonight - brrrrrrrr!!!!!

BG1


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59330 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: 735 Passenger Car Video Posted
Hi All,

As requested I have posted a short video of passengers loading and immediately disembarking from the 735 passenger car. Typically you would close the exit door on the car, open the entrance door, load the passengers, close the platform gate, close the entrace door, take them for a trip, return to the station, open the exit door and let 'em out. Then close the exit door, open the entrance door and the platform gate and let them do it all over again. Once you close the entrace gate, any passengers left behind just roam the station until the next car comes along.

You can see the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdaLIlQV_EU

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59331 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Hi Jim,
� There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.
PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again.  Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis.  This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from  1949 to 1957.  PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958.  In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM







 









Good morning all-



I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.

Thanks,

Jim E.

(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59332 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Flatheads Garage
http://shop.ebay.com/flatheads_garage/m.html?_trkparms=65%253A10%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1&_ipg=&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_pgn=1

I discovered Jeff at Flatheads Garage last week as he had several things in S I purchased, about 8 cars including a ice cream truck and 65 Mustang, coke machine and a neat coke sign that I have on the wall of my Plasticville Grocery store.

Jeff ships fast and things arrived here in MD in two days from the State of Washington.

He has a mixture of many different scales, as it is not listed by scale however.

I highly recommend you take a look, as he does have allot of automotive things in S too. the skulls in G scale are cool too. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59333 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Hi Tom,
Were there varations of the PA13B961 frame? Some had holes for standard truck rivets and the later had larger holes for the hollow rivets. How about the frames for the slot and crew box cars that didnt use rivets to hold them on?

Harwood


PA13B961






-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations




Hi Jim,
There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.
PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM



Good morning all-

I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.

Thanks,

Jim E.

(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59334 From: gettysburg9 Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: GP-7 shorting problem
One of my 370 engines has the drive wheels short out against the metal truck sides. Without the sides attached, it runs fine. The width of the truck wheels is much too wide. The bushings seem not to be worn, just the wheels seem too wide.(just on the drive truck: free wheeling truck width is fine).

How to narrow the width of the wheels: Am I correct in assuming that I can use a C clamp to gently compress the wheels on the axle to the proper width? Seems like a simple adjustment, however, I do not want to screw it up.

Paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 59335 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore????
Will the 75 degree one from American Models work for you?

Steve


In a message dated 02/22/2010 4:41:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
weidner@... writes:




Looking for info on 90 degree crossing suitable for hirail track or even
American models code 148 track. The only ones I have found are original
Gilbert track and also found one for code 100 track which will not work for my
hirail trains. Any one make thier own if so how complicated is it to make?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59336 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: GP-7 shorting problem
That would work fine, but a vise is better because you can do both at the
same time and get them more even.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 02/22/2010 8:43:49 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
gettysburg@... writes:




One of my 370 engines has the drive wheels short out against the metal
truck sides. Without the sides attached, it runs fine. The width of the truck
wheels is much too wide. The bushings seem not to be worn, just the wheels
seem too wide.(just on the drive truck: free wheeling truck width is fine).

How to narrow the width of the wheels: Am I correct in assuming that I can
use a C clamp to gently compress the wheels on the axle to the proper
width? Seems like a simple adjustment, however, I do not want to screw it up.

Paul





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59337 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Hi Harwood,
� I think on the slotted frame, you may be referring to the Pre War 3/16" "O Gauge Box Car. #478  If you want to put 3/16" "O" in the mix that would be another variation.
� Tom


--- On Mon, 2/22/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:19 PM







 











Hi Tom,

Were there varations of the PA13B961 frame? Some had holes for standard truck rivets and the later had larger holes for the hollow rivets. How about the frames for the slot and crew box cars that didnt use rivets to hold them on?



Harwood



PA13B961



-----Original Message-----

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 8:39 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations



Hi Jim,

There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.

PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.

Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jim <jimensign50@ comcast.net> wrote:



From: Jim <jimensign50@ comcast.net>

Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM



Good morning all-



I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.



Thanks,



Jim E.



(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59338 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Hi Harwood,
� You are correct about the the holes in the PA13B961, but since it was the same part number I don't know if you want to put it down as a additional variation, but I guess you could.  I'm curious about the slot and crew box cars that didn't use rivets. Which cars used that frame?  3 digit series, 5 digit series.  I also found Pikemaster frames with a screw hole.  Please let me know the numbers of the box cars that used the slot and crew box frames.  I'll do some research and see if I can come up with the part number for the Pikemaster frame.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:19 PM







 











Hi Tom,

Were there varations of the PA13B961 frame? Some had holes for standard truck rivets and the later had larger holes for the hollow rivets. How about the frames for the slot and crew box cars that didnt use rivets to hold them on?



Harwood



PA13B961



-----Original Message-----

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 8:39 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations



Hi Jim,

There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.

PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.

Tom Seccia



--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jim <jimensign50@ comcast.net> wrote:



From: Jim <jimensign50@ comcast.net>

Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM



Good morning all-



I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.



Thanks,



Jim E.



(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59339 From: omahakid2003 Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Frisco E8's and Texas Special Cars
Earl Henry wrote:

An S gauger in Alabama night be thrilled to have a Frisco E8 with matching silver and red stripe Budds until he sees the E8s have corrugated sides and the cars are lettered for the Texas Special.
--------
A couple corrections are in order here:

None of Frisco 17 E8's, numbers 2006-2022, had corrugated (actually fluted) sides. The 6 Frisco E7's, 2000-2005, as well as 2 MKT E7's, all built in 1947, were built with fluted sides. 2000 and 2003 were lettered for the Texas Special, which was a joint Frisco and Katy train. When the Frisco started receiving E8's in 1950, all six Frisco E7's were rebuilt to look like E8's, by adding E8 grills, and portholes in place of the square windows they were built with. So the fluting only lasted 3 years. A notable feature of all the Frisco E7 and E8 units was that they were named for racehorses during most of their lives. Most of this information came from the book, "Frisco Diesel Power" by Louis A. Marre and John Baskin Harper.

There were streamlined cars lettered Frisco. You can find those by doing an internet picture search on "Frisco passenger cars".
The passenger cars lettered Texas Special had either Frisco or MKT lettered on the ends of the sides of the cars.

It would be pretty neat to see an S scale Frisco passenger train, but the number of Frisco S scale modellers is probably very small. Does anybody know of any? It would be interesting to know if S Helper
Service has sold many Frisco SW9's, probably the only Frisco engine ever made in S.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE
Group: S-Trains Message: 59340 From: John Metzger Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: Frisco E8's and Texas Special Cars
THE AFSGSLA CLUB HAS MANY SLSF (FRISCO) FANS. I HAVE MANY FRISCO FREIGHT CARS AND THREE FRISCO SW9'S. ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WORK FOR BNSF ON THE OLD FRISCO LINE. LOTS OF FRISCO LOVE AROUND ST LOUIS AND SPRINGFIELD MISSOURI. JOHN M




________________________________
From: omahakid2003 <amflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 9:51:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Frisco E8's and Texas Special Cars

 
Earl Henry wrote:

An S gauger in Alabama night be thrilled to have a Frisco E8 with matching silver and red stripe Budds until he sees the E8s have corrugated sides and the cars are lettered for the Texas Special.
--------
A couple corrections are in order here:

None of Frisco 17 E8's, numbers 2006-2022, had corrugated (actually fluted) sides. The 6 Frisco E7's, 2000-2005, as well as 2 MKT E7's, all built in 1947, were built with fluted sides. 2000 and 2003 were lettered for the Texas Special, which was a joint Frisco and Katy train. When the Frisco started receiving E8's in 1950, all six Frisco E7's were rebuilt to look like E8's, by adding E8 grills, and portholes in place of the square windows they were built with. So the fluting only lasted 3 years. A notable feature of all the Frisco E7 and E8 units was that they were named for racehorses during most of their lives. Most of this information came from the book, "Frisco Diesel Power" by Louis A. Marre and John Baskin Harper.

There were streamlined cars lettered Frisco. You can find those by doing an internet picture search on "Frisco passenger cars".
The passenger cars lettered Texas Special had either Frisco or MKT lettered on the ends of the sides of the cars.

It would be pretty neat to see an S scale Frisco passenger train, but the number of Frisco S scale modellers is probably very small. Does anybody know of any? It would be interesting to know if S Helper
Service has sold many Frisco SW9's, probably the only Frisco engine ever made in S.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59341 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: S Scale Sunset Big Boy
All,

It looks like I am getting a Sunset S Scale brass Big Boy to do some work on
it. I have not seen 1 run, but I have seen 1 disassembled and did work to it
somewhat ala carte last year. I did not see the drive assembled either.
However, from what I saw, I was not impressed with the rather small gear
boxes. They really are just a round gear and worm gear held in place by
small pieces of screwed together sheet brass.

It could surprise me and run well but I doubt it. Has anyone replaced these
gearboxes? The Holy Grail here would be a NWSL gearbox that just bolts right
in ready to go. What is an item number? 1 gearbox may require a long shaft
to attach another drive shaft for the front drive. Again, I have not seen
the configuration of the assembled drive.

This loco has already had some of the heavy lifting done. It is probably the
last Big Boy regauged to the NASG wheel standards by Joe Scales 5+ years
ago. It has not been run since then.

Please reply to me directly with anything you have. It is sincerely
appreciated.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Group: S-Trains Message: 59342 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Thanks for the info, Tom. The shell is 1985 or later, so I'm guessing I need the same one as used on the Pikemaster cars. I'll pull the shell off one of my PM cars and see if the orphan fits. Thanks again.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 6:39:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations






Hi Jim,
� There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.
PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jim < jimensign50@... > wrote:

From: Jim < jimensign50@... >
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM



Good morning all-

I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.

Thanks,

Jim E.

(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59343 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: S Scale Sunset Big Boy II
Sorry, I forgot to mention - I need decals too. Any ideas?

You know how lost I get if it is not PRR!

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Group: S-Trains Message: 59344 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: My fun day at Kansas City train show
My wife and I battled the weather (rain, sleet and snow) on Sunday to attend the Mid_America Train and Toy Show here in Kansas City on Sunday, 2/21/10. Attendance was definitely down due to the nasty weather.

Some of the seller's were bemoaning the lack of sales due the low attendance - two I talked to were not even close to making up for their table rentals. And I'm sure the promoter's were hurting also with the low turnout.

Despite all of this, still looked like a fair number of folks - both buyers and sellers. A couple of the local club's were there - the KC S-Gauge club had their little table layout going and the KC Society of Model Engineers (HO and N gauge) were building a small layout on a foam board to show how it was done. Some Lionel folks were there also but I didn't get a chance to chat with them.

While I chatted with folks, my wife zoomed off and located all the AF folks and came back with some goodies and a report on where I should go. So I followed here around (it's very nice having a spouse that is into this stuff too!!) and pretty much decimated $80 in cash building up my very, very modest AF empire (i.e. some track, 310 engine and 5 cabooses).

So what did I get? Bought 3 gondola's (a 631 T&P, a 911 C&O and a 916 D&H) all very average 'runners' - one has link coupler on one end and knuckle on the other - exactly what I need. The vendor also threw in a 630 caboose - also with mix of couplers - missing the light bulb.

Bought two 761's (automatic semaphore) - one reasonable shape and the other a bit (?) rough but look like they should be fun. My wife found a 759 Bell Danger Signal which is complete and looks ok. I also picked up a pair of remote switches (didn't know the darned things came in so many variations!) - can't have a 'layout' without some switches (but now I need more track and some spare pins - it never ends!). And my wife fell in love with two pre-war Lionel manual switches for $5 - hey, neat stuff for not much money! Too cool.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 59345 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Hi Jim,
� If its a Lionel "S" shell the frame should be PA13B961. The Lionel number is 40-9700-020.  The Lionel frames are available if you need one.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 9:41 AM



Thanks for the info, Tom. The shell is 1985 or later, so I'm guessing I need the same one as used on the Pikemaster cars. I'll pull the shell off one of my PM cars and see if the orphan fits. Thanks again.

Jim E.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 6:39:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations


Hi Jim,

� There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.

PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.

Tom Seccia


--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jim < jimensign50@ comcast.net > wrote:

From: Jim < jimensign50@ comcast.net >

Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM

Good morning all-

I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.

Thanks,

Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59346 From: donald abrams Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: GP-7 shorting problem
GP-7 shorting problem
> Posted by: "gettysburg9" gettysburg@... gettysburg9
> Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:43 pm (PST)
>
>
> One of my 370 engines has the drive wheels short out against the metal
> truck sides. Without the sides attached, it runs fine. The width of
> the truck wheels is much too wide. The bushings seem not to be worn,
> just the wheels seem too wide.(just on the drive truck: free wheeling
> truck width is fine).
>
> How to narrow the width of the wheels: Am I correct in assuming that I
> can use a C clamp to gently compress the wheels on the axle to the
> proper width? Seems like a simple adjustment, however, I do not want
> to screw it up.
>
> Paul

I use what I think is called a drill press vise to press on wheels.
One with 2" jaws should be fine for AF.
The jaws on this type of vise move together in a parallel motion unlike
other vises.
As I squeeze the wheels onto the axle I move the jaws slightly, then
release them and turn the wheels/axle 90 degrees and contunue this
process until the proper gauge is obtained.
Your wheels will turn true with this method and not wobble.

Don Abrams

TCA 84-20695
Group: S-Trains Message: 59347 From: Gale Hall Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Frisco
Mike,

As John has said the Frisco is alive and well in the hearts and layouts of many...

There is also the American Models U25B in Frisco, The SHS caboose with the wrong window arrangement in the cupola, panel side hoppers, the set of rebuilt boxcars. But there is a brass caboose with the correct windows as it is a Frisco caboose, about the main things lacking for modeling Frisco is: SD45's, FA1& FB1's and a siderod 45 tonner and Pullman Standard passenger cars and a three way crossing if you are going to model Columbus Kansas..

Modeling the Central Division for a long long time

gale hall

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59348 From: George Cohn Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: GP-7 shorting problem
boss31@... wrote:

> That would work fine, but a vise is better because you can do both at the
> same time and get them more even.

And one handy tip is get a set of magnetic plastic jaw covers for your
vise. I do a lot of metal work so I have a fairly large machinist vise
mounted on a stand. I found a pair of magnetic plastic jaw covers at
Lowes that fit it.

That way you can clamp fragile things without marring them.

I also used them on the drill press vise when I needed to drill the
posts out on a steamer shell as well.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59349 From: The Laniers Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: GP-7 shorting problem
Paul,

Another possible reason this shorting out is happening is that the truck sides have a tendency to bend or warp at their weakest point, moving the ends closer to the wheels. Trying to bend them back however, will most likely get you a broken truck side. You should measure the wheel gauge first before moving them just to miss the truck sides. A dime should just fit between the wheel flanges. Any smaller and you start to have problems on the curves.

paflyerman


From: donald abrams
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] GP-7 shorting problem



GP-7 shorting problem
> Posted by: "gettysburg9" gettysburg@... gettysburg9
> Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:43 pm (PST)
>
>
> One of my 370 engines has the drive wheels short out against the metal
> truck sides. Without the sides attached, it runs fine. The width of
> the truck wheels is much too wide. The bushings seem not to be worn,
> just the wheels seem too wide.(just on the drive truck: free wheeling
> truck width is fine).
>
> How to narrow the width of the wheels: Am I correct in assuming that I
> can use a C clamp to gently compress the wheels on the axle to the
> proper width? Seems like a simple adjustment, however, I do not want
> to screw it up.
>
> Paul

I use what I think is called a drill press vise to press on wheels.
One with 2" jaws should be fine for AF.
The jaws on this type of vise move together in a parallel motion unlike
other vises.
As I squeeze the wheels onto the axle I move the jaws slightly, then
release them and turn the wheels/axle 90 degrees and contunue this
process until the proper gauge is obtained.
Your wheels will turn true with this method and not wobble.

Don Abrams

TCA 84-20695





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59350 From: Gary Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: American flyer-switching to DC
I have 2 seperate tracks with 2 powermasters. I put the rectifiers after the powermasters to 2 DPDT switches as suggested. It all works great. It's so much easier to do freight yard switching with DC. I played with it for about an hour and felt no heat generated by recifiers.
Thanks for all the help.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59351 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Acela
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/national/24acela.html?pagewanted=print&position

Some one on the S scale list mentioned how Acela was almost called American Flyer.

He was right as Lionel would of sounded horrible to me. LOL

Two Rail,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59352 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale Sunset Big Boy II
Bill,
     We will make decals for you. Conact us off group.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
 
 


--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Bill Lane <bill@...> wrote:


From: Bill Lane <bill@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Sunset Big Boy II
To: brasscollectors@yahoogroups.com, "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale Model Railraoding" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: brasslocobuilders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 9:45 AM


 



Sorry, I forgot to mention - I need decals too. Any ideas?

You know how lost I get if it is not PRR!

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestra ins.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestra ins.com/SolidWor ks_Modeling. htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestra ins.com/PRRphoto s.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths com
http://www.lanestra ins.com/PRRTHS_ Application. pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59353 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
Mike,
 
My first repair shop was directly across the road from what is now the northeast corridor. We used to time our calls to customers between trains as the noise was incredible, especially in summer with the doors open. It was great for railfans: the circus train every year, the Tropicana train twice weekly plus all the other PC, conrail and later Amtrak traffic. I grew up not far from there as well and used to love hiding in the passenger warming hut when GG1 pulled passenger trains would thunder past, the wind blast and noise was impressive. My friend Lenny and I would buy those little 5 cent balsa wood gliders and if you threw them just right they would get caught in the vacuum behind the last car and just follow the train down the tracks. Wasted a lot of nickles that way. We would sit on the stairs leading to the old Colonia station ( my hometown ) and watch trains for hours.  Now the nearest station to my old home is the Metropark Amtrak/ NJ transit
station.
 
Bob

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Acela
To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:47 AM


 



http://www.nytimes com/2005/ 04/24/national/ 24acela.html? pagewanted= print&position

Some one on the S scale list mentioned how Acela was almost called American Flyer.

He was right as Lionel would of sounded horrible to me. LOL

Two Rail,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59354 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore????
That would change the geometry of the track plan I have in mind, have decided to try my luck at making one myself.

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:


From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore????
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:38 PM


 



Will the 75 degree one from American Models work for you?

Steve


In a message dated 02/22/2010 4:41:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
weidner@ameritech. net writes:

Looking for info on 90 degree crossing suitable for hirail track or even
American models code 148 track. The only ones I have found are original
Gilbert track and also found one for code 100 track which will not work for my
hirail trains. Any one make thier own if so how complicated is it to make?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59355 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: acela
One of my favorite modern day folk singers that I follow as we are seeing him and his partner in music, as they are duo, on April 25, wrote, performed and sang, "All Aboard Amtrak". Just three words. LOL That was it and I am sure many of you know it well.

His other hit was just "N B C".

Good money in jingles writing as they also did Heartbeat of American, Chi Chi Cheerios, and This is Burger King Town and so on.

they could do a whole CD just on there hit jingles.

David Buskin and Robin Batteau, search Buskin and Batteau for some great songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDiaDF2c6pw One of my favorite songs from them.

Amtrak has been good for them.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59356 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Tom,
I don't know all the cars that used the slot and screw off the top of my head, but I think most were five digit. These were reefers, box cars and cattle cars.

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations




Hi Harwood,
You are correct about the the holes in the PA13B961, but since it was the same part number I don't know if you want to put it down as a additional variation, but I guess you could. I'm curious about the slot and crew box cars that didn't use rivets. Which cars used that frame? 3 digit series, 5 digit series. I also found Pikemaster frames with a screw hole. Please let me know the numbers of the box cars that used the slot and crew box frames. I'll do some research and see if I can come up with the part number for the Pikemaster frame.
Tom Seccia

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:19 PM



Hi Tom,

Were there varations of the PA13B961 frame? Some had holes for standard truck rivets and the later had larger holes for the hollow rivets. How about the frames for the slot and crew box cars that didnt use rivets to hold them on?

Harwood

PA13B961

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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 8:39 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

Hi Jim,

There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.

PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.

Tom Seccia

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From: Jim <jimensign50@ comcast.net>

Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM

Good morning all-

I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.

Thanks,

Jim E.

(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59357 From: sgaugian Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale Sunset Big Boy
Please give updated and some pics along the way if you can. Engine
refurbs are fun. Just completed a 314AW that came with almost any and
everything electrical and mechanical messed with including every
connection in the tender undone and rerouted incorrectly. As if some
evil 3-railer doomed it to a fate of never running the twin rails again.
Fortunately got it all back in shape with a rewound whistle relay among
other things and once again living up to its flyer name and singing a
sweet whistle in tender tune.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59358 From: Larry Moore Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Asheville,NC Train show
To the group, An open invitation to anyone close to or will be traveling thru Western North Carolina on March 5th or 6th, to stop in and visit the Piedmont "S" Gaugers at the train show, sponsored by The Western North Carolina Model Railroaders. The show will be open from noon to 7pm on Fri. and 9am to 4pm on Sat. Please visit, www.AshevilleTrainshow.com for more information. Thanks, Larry Moore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59359 From: john Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: NOMA and American Flyer sound chips/modules
Hi,

I would like to thank both Sam Dillon for his post on this group(#42420 NOMA
station announcer module)and Steve "Papa" Eastman for his post on the Marx
Trains Group (#43019 Talking Stations)where
they describe the sound chips/modules that I am able to make available to those
of you that have NOMA and American Flyer Talking Station. Steve is working on
getting a clean Marx recording.

In order for you to have more information about the chips and quality of the
recordings, I have created a file folder(NOMA and American Flyer Talking
Station) for you to access with some pictures of the chips, simple speaker
modification to increase the volume (not actually necessary but easy to do) and
a sound file for you to listen to that contains a chip with the NOMA P.R.R and
American Flyer AF799 recordings on it.

If you need additional information please send an email to me offline at
(jffesta2001@...

Thanks,

John Festa (TCA #77-11520)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59360 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
Bob,

Great story and memories for you.

too bad no youtube them to see the balsa planes as I remember them.

Mike
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From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Acela



Mike,

My first repair shop was directly across the road from what is now the northeast corridor. We used to time our calls to customers between trains as the noise was incredible, especially in summer with the doors open. It was great for railfans: the circus train every year, the Tropicana train twice weekly plus all the other PC, conrail and later Amtrak traffic. I grew up not far from there as well and used to love hiding in the passenger warming hut when GG1 pulled passenger trains would thunder past, the wind blast and noise was impressive. My friend Lenny and I would buy those little 5 cent balsa wood gliders and if you threw them just right they would get caught in the vacuum behind the last car and just follow the train down the tracks. Wasted a lot of nickles that way. We would sit on the stairs leading to the old Colonia station ( my hometown ) and watch trains for hours. Now the nearest station to my old home is the Metropark Amtrak/ NJ transit
station.

Bob

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Acela
To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:47 AM



http://www.nytimes com/2005/ 04/24/national/ 24acela.html? pagewanted= print&position

Some one on the S scale list mentioned how Acela was almost called American Flyer.

He was right as Lionel would of sounded horrible to me. LOL

Two Rail,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59361 From: Mike Vana Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Frisco
It's good to hear that there are Frisco S gauge
modelers. I forgot about the U25B made by
American Models. I knew there were several
freight cars made. I have a Frisco stock car and
wide vision caboose, and a bunch of AF
gondolas in S, plus a lot of Frisco locos and
other cars in HO or two-rail O scale. I was
fortunate enough to see some of the Frisco in
its last 3 years of existence.

In addition to the SW9 and U25B, anyone who
can paint and decal could make make Frisco
E8A, F7A, F7B, FP7, SW1, NW2, GP35, and
maybe F3A and F3B models, as well. Smoky
Mountain Model Works is making the FM
H10-44/early H12-44 switcher and a 44 ton
GE, also owned by the Frisco. So you could
have a pretty good representation of Frisco
diesels from the start until the mid 1960's.

If you could kitbash, you could use the
American Models S12, GP9, and RS3 to make
a DS4-4-1000, GP7, and RS2 respectively,
or combine parts from the RS3 and GP9 to
make one of their bizarre looking RS2 rebuilds
with a GP9 hood. (The prototypes were rebuilt
with EMD engines.) I looked into kitbashing
FA2 and FB2 models into FA1 and FB1
models in HO a long time ago, but that would
take a lot of work. Maybe Smoky Mountain will
eventually produce those.

I don't know what you could do to get steam
locos, though. Frisco was thoughtful enough
to preserve quite a few, and most were nice
looking and well-proportioned engines.

At first, I didn't think one could get that much
Frisco variety in S, but as I wrote this, more
came to my mind. There really has never been
a better time to be a model railroader than the
present, and that's as true in S as any other scale.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59362 From: Bobby Abrams Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Train Tracker 5.5
it turned out i liked train minder very much. I recently got an email that said someone new was doing customer support but i never got any responses to the emails I sent. I don't think tt5.5 works in win7 in compatibility mode. I found very few things actually worked in compatibility mode. If you really love the program try xp mode in Win7. You will have to dl it from MS but its free.

If I missed part of the thread and you are using vista, IMMEDIATELY get win 7. It works vista doesn't. its that simple.

Bobby Abrams




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From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 5:02:29 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Train Tracker 5.5


First, be aware that 5.5 is not compatible with VISTA, nor will it run
on a Mac.

Second, it is probably not compatible with the new Windows 7.

However, if you have Windows 7, my network administrator suggested
this......

"Try the Windows 7 Compatibility settings and tell it to "Run in XP SP3
mode"

Here's a quick tutorial.

http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-solve-compatibility-problems-in-window
s-7/

<<<Help needed!! Just received 5.5 kit .My wife is pretty good on
computers, but has not won this battle yet...>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts. com
www.sgaugetrains. com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59363 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make one anymore??
Try Tom's
_Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork_ (http://www.tomsturnouts.com/crossings.html)

In a message dated 2/23/2010 8:05:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
weidner@... writes:




That would change the geometry of the track plan I have in mind, have
decided to try my luck at making one myself.

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(mailto:boss31@...) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 90 Degree crossing for s hirail does anyone make
one anymore????
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:38 PM



Will the 75 degree one from American Models work for you?

Steve

In a message dated 02/22/2010 4:41:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
weidner@ameritech. net writes:

Looking for info on 90 degree crossing suitable for hirail track or even
American models code 148 track. The only ones I have found are original
Gilbert track and also found one for code 100 track which will not work
for my
hirail trains. Any one make thier own if so how complicated is it to make?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59364 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: AF Box Car Chassis variations
Hi Harwood,
These cars are 3/16 "O" Gauge. Correct?
� Tom

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 7:39 PM







 











Tom,

I don't know all the cars that used the slot and screw off the top of my head, but I think most were five digit. These were reefers, box cars and cattle cars.



Harwood



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 11:40 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations



Hi Harwood,

You are correct about the the holes in the PA13B961, but since it was the same part number I don't know if you want to put it down as a additional variation, but I guess you could. I'm curious about the slot and crew box cars that didn't use rivets. Which cars used that frame? 3 digit series, 5 digit series. I also found Pikemaster frames with a screw hole. Please let me know the numbers of the box cars that used the slot and crew box frames. I'll do some research and see if I can come up with the part number for the Pikemaster frame.

Tom Seccia



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From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:19 PM



Hi Tom,



Were there varations of the PA13B961 frame? Some had holes for standard truck rivets and the later had larger holes for the hollow rivets. How about the frames for the slot and crew box cars that didnt use rivets to hold them on?



Harwood



PA13B961



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 8:39 pm



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations



Hi Jim,



There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.



PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.



Tom Seccia



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From: Jim <jimensign50@ comcast.net>



Subject: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM



Good morning all-



I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.



Thanks,



Jim E.



(Still shoveling Colorado snow this morning!)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59365 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
I wish I had a camera for some of those trains. We watched everything from PA5s to GG1s as well as the Pennsy commuter MUs. My grandmother lived near the Jersey Central main in Roselle Park NJ and from the back room of her house I could watch those CNJ RDCs , Trainmasters and those wonderful burbling Alcos. Since my Mom at one time commuted on the CNJ to her job at Pru in Newark she used to call it the Jerky Central which annoyed Pop ( a former CNJ employee along with his dad) to no end. As a kid Pop used to take us to see the last of Pennsy steam coming out of South Amboy on the New York & Long Branch, not far from where Don T. grew up. My first train ride was with Pop. One Saturday he took me from Rahway to Penn Station and back just on a whim when I was still pretty small, maybe 4 or 5.
 
Bob


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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Acela
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:45 PM


 



Bob,

Great story and memories for you.

too bad no youtube them to see the balsa planes as I remember them.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Acela

Mike,

My first repair shop was directly across the road from what is now the northeast corridor. We used to time our calls to customers between trains as the noise was incredible, especially in summer with the doors open. It was great for railfans: the circus train every year, the Tropicana train twice weekly plus all the other PC, conrail and later Amtrak traffic. I grew up not far from there as well and used to love hiding in the passenger warming hut when GG1 pulled passenger trains would thunder past, the wind blast and noise was impressive. My friend Lenny and I would buy those little 5 cent balsa wood gliders and if you threw them just right they would get caught in the vacuum behind the last car and just follow the train down the tracks. Wasted a lot of nickles that way. We would sit on the stairs leading to the old Colonia station ( my hometown ) and watch trains for hours. Now the nearest station to my old home is the Metropark Amtrak/ NJ transit
station.

Bob

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Acela
To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups .com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@ comcast.net>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:47 AM

http://www.nytimes com/2005/ 04/24/national/ 24acela.html? pagewanted= print&position

Some one on the S scale list mentioned how Acela was almost called American Flyer.

He was right as Lionel would of sounded horrible to me. LOL

Two Rail,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59366 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: amtrak
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gh1ZrPCXd1sJ:www.meandthee.org/Buskin-Batteau.html+amtrak+david+buskin&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

If you read a little of this, 2nd paragraph, tells that this man, David Buskin, wrote and performed "All Aboard, Amtrak". Making money for just writing 3 words and singing 3 words is goo.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59367 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Amtrak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPOsYPzazHg&feature=related

I found a Amtrak commercial on youtube with David Buskin singing his hit song, as it was All Aboard America, All Aboard Am, as Amtrak got cut off in the end on youtube. LOL

I am sure he made something doing that. Just a amazing song. LOL Now to expand on the theme. Variations on Allboard Amtrak in 3/4 time. A Waltz!

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59368 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Acela
My mom lived in East Orange as a little girl and was at a DL&W
train station waiting for the train. She asked the Train Master why
the train was so late. He asked her if she knew what DL&W stood for.
She gave the correct answer and he said it also stands for Delay,
Linger and Wait....
Don

On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:54 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59369 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Amtrak commerical with model train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPOsYPzazHg&feature=related

Amtrak ad with model trains in the ad.

Can not tell if this three track in the ad. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiJRsh9ATdM&feature=related
Bonus ad with a different ending.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59370 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Bud Ad with Model Trains
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-PyFAfA7JI&NR=1

Bud Ad with three trains and plasticville, even a Frosty Bar, but the President of Plasticville is no where to be seen.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59371 From: paflyrman Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: A Legit Variation Or..
A friend recently asked me about an item he picked up but had never seen before. In a 20239 set substituted for the 24052 UFGE was a 5 digit IC reefer with PM trucks. I've never seen one, nor have I ever seen it listed anywhere. NE1 ever seen one, or is them some kind of owner modification?

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 59372 From: Gale Hall Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Frisco
Mike,

Thar ya go...

On the scale side you can add the GP-38-2's and SD-40-2's, the Cascade Models kit for the GP-38 would make a GP-38AC, a AM GP-35 will make into a GP-15-1..the Miller Alco switcher for the S-4 or the Overland S-4, Smokey Mountain makes the GE 70 tonner for blue and yellow #12. The Overland or SHS F-3's as 5000 and 5001 were chicken wire 3's with high fans. You can run a UP caboose, you can run UP GP-30's including the B units in the mix, UP GP B units were on the Frisco in general service in1965...Seaboard and Atlantic Coast Line units, and SCL units, Santa Fe units..a lot of that was hand over and the units took a train back onto the home road as they made the connections over the Quannah, Acme & Pacific, Oddballs offers the QA&P lettering in the Frisco diesel decal set..and then if you want to head up into your country you could run two GP-35's or U25B's with a U50B or C and even add a DD35 booster, course only one fellow comes to mind that could make that sort of lashup on a layout, and you have to be a dentist in Nebraska to do that.

You are pretty limited to what you can model I guess, but only if you are wanting to run SW1500's or MP15's and nothing else..

Have a super day Mike!!!

gale hall----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Vana
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:53 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Frisco



It's good to hear that there are Frisco S gauge
modelers. I forgot about the U25B made by
American Models. I knew there were several
freight cars made. I have a Frisco stock car and
wide vision caboose, and a bunch of AF
gondolas in S, plus a lot of Frisco locos and
other cars in HO or two-rail O scale. I was
fortunate enough to see some of the Frisco in
its last 3 years of existence.

In addition to the SW9 and U25B, anyone who
can paint and decal could make make Frisco
E8A, F7A, F7B, FP7, SW1, NW2, GP35, and
maybe F3A and F3B models, as well. Smoky
Mountain Model Works is making the FM
H10-44/early H12-44 switcher and a 44 ton
GE, also owned by the Frisco. So you could
have a pretty good representation of Frisco
diesels from the start until the mid 1960's.

If you could kitbash, you could use the
American Models S12, GP9, and RS3 to make
a DS4-4-1000, GP7, and RS2 respectively,
or combine parts from the RS3 and GP9 to
make one of their bizarre looking RS2 rebuilds
with a GP9 hood. (The prototypes were rebuilt
with EMD engines.) I looked into kitbashing
FA2 and FB2 models into FA1 and FB1
models in HO a long time ago, but that would
take a lot of work. Maybe Smoky Mountain will
eventually produce those.

I don't know what you could do to get steam
locos, though. Frisco was thoughtful enough
to preserve quite a few, and most were nice
looking and well-proportioned engines.

At first, I didn't think one could get that much
Frisco variety in S, but as I wrote this, more
came to my mind. There really has never been
a better time to be a model railroader than the
present, and that's as true in S as any other scale.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59373 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: AF Box Car Chassis variations
No, they are all 3/16th "S" ga. The frame has a tab bent up at one end that has a hole in it that takes a screw and the other end has a wider tab that comes up about a 1/4 in. then bends at a 90 degree outward for about the same length. This tab fits into the slot at the end of the box car and the other tab at the other end takes the screw that comes through the hole in the other lower end of the box car. In my next email I will attach some pictures of this.










Hi Harwood,
These cars are 3/16 "O" Gauge. Correct?
Tom




Tom,

I don't know all the cars that used the slot and screw off the top of my head, but I think most were five digit. These were reefers, box cars and cattle cars.

Harwood



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

Hi Harwood,

You are correct about the the holes in the PA13B961, but since it was the same part number I don't know if you want to put it down as a additional variation, but I guess you could. I'm curious about the slot and crew box cars that didn't use rivets. Which cars used that frame? 3 digit series, 5 digit series. I also found Pikemaster frames with a screw hole. Please let me know the numbers of the box cars that used the slot and crew box frames. I'll do some research and see if I can come up with the part number for the Pikemaster frame.

Tom Seccia



Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:19 PM

Hi Tom,

Were there varations of the PA13B961 frame? Some had holes for standard truck rivets and the later had larger holes for the hollow rivets. How about the frames for the slot and crew box cars that didnt use rivets to hold them on?

Harwood

PA13B961



Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box Car Chassis variations

Hi Jim,

There are actually 5 variations of the box car frame or chassis if you count 1946.

PA10052 Plastic 1946 which warped and was not used again. Replaced in 1947 by PA10423 Die Cast Chassis. This chassis cannot be used with plug door refrigerator cars and boxcars which were made in 1949. PA11183 Stamped chassis was made in 1949. This chassis was used from 1949 to 1957. PA13B961 Chassis was used on 800 series box cars starting in 1956 and on the other 5 digit boxcars in 1958. In 1961 the Pikemaster boxcars used a similar frame with tabs on the sides. I don't know that PA number.

Tom Seccia



Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:54 AM

Good morning all-

I'm aware of 2 variations of the box car bases, or chassis. The older one has four tiny pins that go through the chassis and into the bottom of the car shell, and the later one has two tabs on the shell that fit into two slots in the base and a screw goes through the shell to anchor the rear of the shell to the frame. Are there more variations? I've got an orphan shell, but need to know which chassis from a junker will fit it.

Thanks,

Jim E.









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Group: S-Trains Message: 59374 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: A Legit Variation Or..
It's a Legit Variation of the IC reefer and is somewhat uncommon. Have seen this substitution in this set before and others.

Harwood








A friend recently asked me about an item he picked up but had never seen before. In a 20239 set substituted for the 24052 UFGE was a 5 digit IC reefer with PM trucks. I've never seen one, nor have I ever seen it listed anywhere. NE1 ever seen one, or is them some kind of owner modification?

paflyrman







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59375 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Another example of the Slot & Screw Base
Thsi is Another example of the Slot & Screw Base, this time on a box car. Just pics of the ends.

Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59376 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Slot & Screw Car Frame


I am attaching pictures of the ends and bottom of an example of the frame. Notice that no pins are holding the car body to the frame. Click on each attachment to open the picture.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59377 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
Hi Harwood,
Which IC refer 623 923?  24403?
Tom

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] A Legit Variation Or..
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:22 AM

It's a Legit Variation of the IC reefer and is somewhat uncommon. Have seen this substitution in this set before and others.

Harwood

A friend recently asked me about an item he picked up but had never seen before. In a 20239 set substituted for the 24052 UFGE was a 5 digit IC reefer with PM trucks. I've never seen one, nor have I ever seen it listed anywhere. NE1 ever seen one, or is them some kind of owner modification?

paflyrman



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59378 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Hi Harwood,
� The frame which your photos show is PA13B961.  Gilbert began using these frames with XA14A054 Knuckle coupler trucks in 1956 on the 800 series cars which would be a IC 802.  On the other 900 series cars, they kept using the PA11183 Stamped Chassis until 1958 when they began using the PA13B961 on all the 5 digit box cars.  You may be correct calling the slot and screw frame another variation, but to be a different variation I would say you would need another part number with a substantial difference in design.
Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Slot & Screw Car Frame
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, trainsandhobbies@...
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:16 PM

Slot & Screw Car Frame

I am attaching pictures of the ends and bottom of an example of the frame. Notice that no pins are holding the car body to the frame. Click on each attachment to open the picture.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59379 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Easley train show
went to the JAX show last weekend, almost no s there. only saw 1 other s gauger, jerry matsick. this weekend's show will have 3 AF specialists if the list i saw is right. better than none.... dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 59380 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Moderator, am I allow to attach pictures to group mail?
Harwood


(Moderator Response)
Yahoo strips all attachments.

However:

You can post files and pictures in the Files and Photos sections of the S-trains Yahoo site, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains.






-----Original Message-----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; trainsandhobbies@...
Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 12:16 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Slot & Screw Car Frame




Slot & Screw Car Frame

I am attaching pictures of the ends and bottom of an example of the frame. Notice that no pins are holding the car body to the frame. Click on each attachment to open the picture.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59381 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
Try this link without the period.

You can post files and pictures in the Files and Photos sections of the S-trains Yahoo site, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:00 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Slot & Screw Car Frame



Moderator, am I allow to attach pictures to group mail?
Harwood

(Moderator Response)
Yahoo strips all attachments.

However:

You can post files and pictures in the Files and Photos sections of the S-trains Yahoo site, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains.

-----Original Message-----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; trainsandhobbies@...
Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 12:16 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Slot & Screw Car Frame

Slot & Screw Car Frame

I am attaching pictures of the ends and bottom of an example of the frame. Notice that no pins are holding the car body to the frame. Click on each attachment to open the picture.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59382 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
24403





-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Legit Variation Or..




Hi Harwood,
Which IC refer 623 923? 24403?
Tom

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] A Legit Variation Or..
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:22 AM

It's a Legit Variation of the IC reefer and is somewhat uncommon. Have seen this substitution in this set before and others.

Harwood

A friend recently asked me about an item he picked up but had never seen before. In a 20239 set substituted for the 24052 UFGE was a 5 digit IC reefer with PM trucks. I've never seen one, nor have I ever seen it listed anywhere. NE1 ever seen one, or is them some kind of owner modification?

paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59383 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Slot & Screw Car Frame
So easy to do a O gauger can do it.

Okay, caveman, which is like a O gauger. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Slot & Screw Car Frame



Moderator, am I allow to attach pictures to group mail?
Harwood

(Moderator Response)
Yahoo strips all attachments.

However:

You can post files and pictures in the Files and Photos sections of the S-trains Yahoo site, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains.

-----Original Message-----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; trainsandhobbies@...
Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 12:16 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Slot & Screw Car Frame

Slot & Screw Car Frame

I am attaching pictures of the ends and bottom of an example of the frame. Notice that no pins are holding the car body to the frame. Click on each attachment to open the picture.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59384 From: The Laniers Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
Thanks to all who responded to this inquiry. The owner has advised me that the unpainted plastic IC reefer is the brightest orange IC reefer body he has ever seen.

paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59385 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: A Legit Variation Or..
24403 IC would be 1958.  All 5 digit boxcars used frames for large hole knuckle coupler trucks.  I don't know if there were any frames used in '58 with holes.  I quess an honest question would be, What are the hole for?
Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Legit Variation Or..
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:52 PM



24403

-----Original Message-----

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 1:16 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Legit Variation Or..


Hi Harwood,

Which IC refer 623 923? 24403?

Tom


--- On Wed, 2/24/10, HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@aol. com <HOwingsiii@aol. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] A Legit Variation Or..

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:22 AM

It's a Legit Variation of the IC reefer and is somewhat uncommon. Have seen this substitution in this set before and others.

Harwood


A friend recently asked me about an item he picked up but had never seen before. In a 20239 set substituted for the 24052 UFGE was a 5 digit IC reefer with PM trucks. I've never seen one, nor have I ever seen it listed anywhere. NE1 ever seen one, or is them some kind of owner modification?

paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59386 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Slot & Screw Car Frames
Slot & Screw Car Frames


If anyone is interested, I have uploaded pictures to my folder, "Harwood's Pictures" of the ends and bottom of an example of the Slot & Screw frame. Notice that no pins are holding the car body to the frame. First examples are of a cattle car , the other of a box car.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59387 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Another Box Car Varation
I have uploaded yet another box car (NYC) variation of the "Slot & Screw" frame to my Yahoo folder, This variation has the frame for the slot & screw but the box car body has the small slots on each side.

Also there is a box car on ebay with this same configuration.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-24048-M-StL-Box-Car-knuckle-couplers_W0QQitemZ280470211475QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item414d53cb93

The NYC box car mentioned above would appear later with the new frame with the side tabs and Pike Master trucks.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59388 From: Ben Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: BB update
Since getting my BB back from the Lionel service repair station, I have enjoyed it immensely! I thought I had a shorting problem as it would stall near switches and then go again right away...no shift to neutral, etc. I blamed the pause in operation on a too tight connection between tender and locomotive. I came to find out that the short was actually being caused by the drop-center spotlight car I was pulling behind it. Part of the fiber insulator had worn away allowing the brass connector on the truck to touch the frame occasionally. All is well now.

Like I said, I have been very happy with the Big Boy now pulling a twenty car mixed freight around the layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59389 From: richs009 Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Two questions for the collective wisdom here

First is there anything 'special' about the paper light diffusers used in many/most of the AF passenger cars and cabeese? These diffusers have the look/feel of ordinary (though somewhat yellowed) paper. I plan to replace some of the lights with LEDs, so heating shouldn't be a problem - at least for those replacements. What do the new Flyonel cars use?

Second, what should the distance between the outer edge of the Flyer wheel flanges be - by outer edge, I mean the point where the flange stops and the horizontal wheel surface begins? Seems to me this distance should be a little less than the distance between the inside edges of the rails (which for Flyer track is 7/8 in.). If its too tight, then don't the six-wheel trucks have some difficulty with the 20-inch-radius Flyer track curves?

Bonus question (just thought of something else). Are there surface finishes/polishes that can be used on the flyer plastics - like an auto wax? Someone at a train show said they wiped their die-cast steam locos with a cloth containing WD-40 - but I don't think that is a good idea for plastics.

Thanks in advance,
Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 59390 From: lember2004 Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Any later Greenberg Guides to AF S Gauge refernce books [not price g
I'm aware of the Vol. I 5th edition in 1997, the Volume II 1st edition in 1991 and the Volume III 1st edition in 1992. Were there any later editions of any of these volumes? Thanks! Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 59391 From: George Cohn Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
richs009 wrote:
>
>
> Two questions for the collective wisdom here
>
> First is there anything 'special' about the paper light diffusers used
> in many/most of the AF passenger cars and cabeese? These diffusers have
> the look/feel of ordinary (though somewhat yellowed) paper.

You might check a craft store like Michaels for some frosted plastic
sheet. You can buy it by the 8 x 10 inch sheet and it works well.

> Second, what should the distance between the outer edge of the Flyer
> wheel flanges be - by outer edge, I mean the point where the flange
> stops and the horizontal wheel surface begins? Seems to me this distance
> should be a little less than the distance between the inside edges of
> the rails (which for Flyer track is 7/8 in.)

I just grabbed a couple of cars and a diesel and measured with my
digital calipers. Seems to average .850 inches which is about 27/32
which is 1/32 short of your 7/8ths inch.

> Bonus question (just thought of something else). Are there surface
> finishes/polishes that can be used on the flyer plastics - like an auto
> wax? Someone at a train show said they wiped their die-cast steam locos
> with a cloth containing WD-40 - but I don't think that is a good idea
> for plastics.

Actually an AF collector some 30 years ago recommended WD-40 to wipe
grease and tape gunk off of plastic Flyer cars. I've never had it cause
any damage to any of the cars I've wiped down.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59392 From: Train Nut Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: WANTED: Maine Central Cabooses w/ pine tree logo and SW9 diesels
Hi all. I would like to find additional MEC cabooses, I already have S Helper Service stock #00598 with road number 645, but also would like #01270 with road number 653 and pine tree logo. The Christmas car with #643 and pine tee logo is also desired.

The other items I am wanting are the SW9 diesels with the green and yellow stripes and especially the Boston and Maine inspired scheme.


Thanks!

Vince
Group: S-Trains Message: 59393 From: Jerry Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Hi Rich,

First: As far as I know, the paper is nothing special, so if you want to replace it with new letter paper, go ahead. The new Flyonel cars use a molded plastic insert over the windows with the silhouettes on them.

Second: Instead of the outer edges, most Flyer guys use an American (or Canadian - they're the same size) dime between the inner surfaces of the wheels. Believe it or not, it works great!

Bonus: I wouldn't use WD-40 for plastics. It's a great product, but not for old trains. I simply use a very mild auto polish (Meguirre's #9). But any type of polish or cleaner is not normally recommended. However, if you're an operator, then it's all up to you. There are many other things out there, and I'm sure more guys will ring in on what they use.

Above all, have fun with them! That's what they were made for!

Jerry Poniatowski
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 59394 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Hi Rich,
I sell the defuser paper.  Its aged and it has a brownish tint very close to the original.  Please contact me off line seccia@....
Tom Seccia
Triple "S" Supplies

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote:

From: richs009 <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] light diffusers and wheel gauge
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 12:27 PM



Two questions for the collective wisdom here



First is there anything 'special' about the paper light diffusers used in many/most of the AF passenger cars and cabeese? These diffusers have the look/feel of ordinary (though somewhat yellowed) paper. I plan to replace some of the lights with LEDs, so heating shouldn't be a problem - at least for those replacements. What do the new Flyonel cars use?


Second, what should the distance between the outer edge of the Flyer wheel flanges be - by outer edge, I mean the point where the flange stops and the horizontal wheel surface begins? Seems to me this distance should be a little less than the distance between the inside edges of the rails (which for Flyer track is 7/8 in.). If its too tight, then don't the six-wheel trucks have some difficulty with the 20-inch-radius Flyer track curves?


Bonus question (just thought of something else). Are there surface finishes/polishes that can be used on the flyer plastics - like an auto wax? Someone at a train show said they wiped their die-cast steam locos with a cloth containing WD-40 - but I don't think that is a good idea for plastics.



Thanks in advance,

Rich



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59395 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
I have used SEMI- GLOSS Armour All....It's a bit harder to find. I have
had no issues with it. Mike in Or


In a message dated 2/25/2010 7:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
poniaj@... writes:




Hi Rich,

First: As far as I know, the paper is nothing special, so if you want to
replace it with new letter paper, go ahead. The new Flyonel cars use a
molded plastic insert over the windows with the silhouettes on them.

Second: Instead of the outer edges, most Flyer guys use an American (or
Canadian - they're the same size) dime between the inner surfaces of the
wheels. Believe it or not, it works great!

Bonus: I wouldn't use WD-40 for plastics. It's a great product, but not
for old trains. I simply use a very mild auto polish (Meguirre's #9). But any
type of polish or cleaner is not normally recommended. However, if you're
an operator, then it's all up to you. There are many other things out
there, and I'm sure more guys will ring in on what they use.

Above all, have fun with them! That's what they were made for!

Jerry Poniatowski
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, Michigan





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59396 From: alguckes2001 Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Magazines
A short time ago on the Lionel Fast Track group I posted that I have a complete collection of Classic Toy Trains magazines including the Premier issue through 2009. All are in at least excellent condition.

I offered the entire set for $120.00 plus shipping at U.S. Post Office media rates. I had 2 persons interested but neither transaction was completed. I really want to get these to a good home and therefore now will sell the set for $120.00 including shipping. I will share the details of the collection with anyone who emails me at alguckes@.... If anyone lives within easy driving of Chapel Hill, NC and can pick them up the price would be $90.00

Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 59397 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: light diffusers and wheel gauge
Good morning Rich.  I clean my AF trains with Johnson's Pledge with orange oil.  It conditions the plastic cars and diecast engines and cuts thru grease, grime and dirt.  Handy product.  I'm also experimenting  with the new Turtle Wax Express Shine spray car wax on steamers.   It comes in a green plastic bottle and cost around $8.00.  I've seen other friends trains and they look great.

Bob   


________________________________
From: richs009 <richs009@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 11:27:46 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] light diffusers and wheel gauge

 
Two questions for the collective wisdom here

First is there anything 'special' about the paper light diffusers used in many/most of the AF passenger cars and cabeese? These diffusers have the look/feel of ordinary (though somewhat yellowed) paper. I plan to replace some of the lights with LEDs, so heating shouldn't be a problem - at least for those replacements. What do the new Flyonel cars use?

Second, what should the distance between the outer edge of the Flyer wheel flanges be - by outer edge, I mean the point where the flange stops and the horizontal wheel surface begins? Seems to me this distance should be a little less than the distance between the inside edges of the rails (which for Flyer track is 7/8 in.). If its too tight, then don't the six-wheel trucks have some difficulty with the 20-inch-radius Flyer track curves?

Bonus question (just thought of something else). Are there surface finishes/polishes that can be used on the flyer plastics - like an auto wax? Someone at a train show said they wiped their die-cast steam locos with a cloth containing WD-40 - but I don't think that is a good idea for plastics.

Thanks in advance,
Rich







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59398 From: john Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: AF 755 Talking Station sound file - " Eastbound"
By any chance does someone have a sound file for the AF 755 Talking Station that plays the "Eastbound" announcement ? Today, I got a request to have a sound chip made with this announcement on it. I was told it was on one side of the Gilbert #598 record that came with the station. On the other side was the AF 755 "Westbound" announcement, for which the sound file is available.

Thanks,

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 59399 From: Dave Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: A&P Food Stores Reefer Decal Set
We are now offering a set of decals produced in METALLIC GOLD, COLOR AND BLACK for "S" scale reefers A&P food stores (NYNH&H) at our web site. COST: $11.99 ea. which includes shipping.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 59400 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Sykesville store closing up shop
Hi Andy,
Yes, he did carry Flyer from time to time whenever he bought a collection or so. And he did carry some new Lionel/Flyer. I bought some nice orig. Flyer over the years from him.
Harwood








Thought you all might be interested in this article . He never carried any S gauge that I know of but still , another one gone . Andy







Story:
Sykesville store closing up shop

SYKESVILLE — On a recent sunny Saturday morning, Ken Sevier walked into Purkey's Toy Trains on Main Street and bought a race track and two boxes of other items to support his beloved childhood hobby.

Sevier frothed over his goodies. He's been shopping at Purkey's for eight years and estimated that he's spent about $6,000. On Saturday, he spent about $300 on his items, some of the very last in Purkey's shop.

For more of this story, click on or type the URL below:

http://carrollcounty.com/articles/2010/02/26/news/local_news/1_train_store.txt



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59401 From: aftrains4u Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: My Website for AF Trains for the Operator
As a new member of S-Trains I'd like to make you all aware of my new website which features AF used trains and equipment for the operator. The address of the website is www.americanflyertrains4u.com. Contact me for further information and interest. Have a great day.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 59402 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
I have been cleaning up some my new acquisitions - a pair of 761 Automatic Semaphores in this case. I've been able to find out or deduce pretty much everything about the operation except for one little twit - the 761 has a 3-color aspect. I certainly see how 2 of those aspects (the red and the green) are used and controlled.

What I don't see is how the third aspect (the one in the middle) is used or if it is even 'reachable' (i.e. whether the middle aspect can be commanded or turned on by the 2 control lines).

I rather suspect (since I have seen no reference to the 3rd aspect in any literature I have found) that the middle lens in the arm is strictly for show.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 59403 From: Thomas Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Stupid question, maybe.
Group,

I was wondering. Is it possible to wire a dpdt switch wired as a reversing switch to reverse AC power, or is that only a feature for DC.

I am weighing, spending the $80 to buy a electronic reverser with can motor conversion for my original Flyer 355, but was wondering since I have wired it for forward operation, sans reversing unit, to wire the dpdt in the interim, to allow manual reversing.

The dpdt switch I got from Home Depot, has three terminals, one terminal for each circuit with center off, and one common terminal for both. I remember from years ago the dpdt would have six terminals and you put two wires in a diagonal connection from each corner, and the center two were a power hookup as was one of the two ends.

I have misplaced the original wiring diagram for the older switches, but this switch threw me with only three terminals.

Any help would be appreciated. Please contact me off list at takaufman2009@....

Thanks in advance.

Tom
Group: S-Trains Message: 59404 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
http://www.ehow.com/video_4791198_cleaning-yellowed-plastic.html
Got one answer.

Now to figure out how to soak the box part of the truck only while glued to the body. I think I can modify a container, as there is a gap between the box part and the cab.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S trains
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Yellowed PLastic


I got a plain box truck today, in S, as I want to put some decals on the side.

It was from Ebay and the truck sides looked very white, which was perfect.

the truck came today and one side is yellow, not bright yellow, but it shows it has age, but the plastic is fine.

Is there a way to get this back to white again? using beach on it, Super Clean, any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59405 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Yellowed PLastic
I got a plain box truck today, in S, as I want to put some decals on the side.

It was from Ebay and the truck sides looked very white, which was perfect.

the truck came today and one side is yellow, not bright yellow, but it shows it has age, but the plastic is fine.

Is there a way to get this back to white again? using beach on it, Super Clean, any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59406 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: My Website www.americanflyertrains4u.com
You can reach my AF website for operator equipment by Googling www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  The original message had a space in the word trains.  There is no space in trains or the address itself.  Thanks.

Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59407 From: Jim Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: WANTED: A/F By Lionel Boxcar w/damage?
I'm in search of someone willing to part with a A/F by Lionel (Flyonel) boxcar with a damaged shell, or one with a God-awful paint job, whatever. What I need is the frame with trucks, door guides and doors. The shell I will use is not rare nor valuable, so it's not worth sacrificing another otherwise good boxcar for its frame or buying a new frame at $19.00, plus the doors and hardware. I'm just trying to piece this together at minimum cost. I'm willing to pay a reasonable price plus shipping/handling, etc. Please let me know if you have a candidate in your junk box.
Thanks in advance,
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59408 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Pennsy Freak Sale...Addendum
Slight Correction to Offer: Tom Hawley, guru of all-things-S-trains from that wasteland located to the north of Ohio points out that his belief is that only the AC version of the GG1 had sound units. I honestly don't know but defer to his knowledge. The AM instruction sheet makes no differentiation between AC and DC where sound is concerned.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...



For Pennsy Freaks, I have for sale one test-run only American Models' GG1. This DC unit is decked out in flawless Tuscan red with five golden stripes along both sides. Engine #4876. Scale-flanged wheels only. Kadee 802's installed. Directional-reversing lighting. Both track power and pantograph electrical pick-up available. Original yellow and blue AM packaging. Per the instructions that came with the unit, the engine features an "air compressor" sound which runs about every minute and an "air blow off" sound about two times a minute. Volume for both sounds is varied via a screwdriver-adjustable, internally-mounted potentiometer.

Price: $195 + $15 shipping to the lower 48. Off-list offers only; on-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59409 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Pennsy Freak Sale...
For Pennsy Freaks, I have for sale one test-run only American Models' GG1. This DC unit is decked out in flawless Tuscan red with five golden stripes along both sides. Engine #4876. Scale-flanged wheels only. Kadee 802's installed. Directional-reversing lighting. Both track power and pantograph electrical pick-up available. Original yellow and blue AM packaging. Per the instructions that came with the unit, the engine features an "air compressor" sound which runs about every minute and an "air blow off" sound about two times a minute. Volume for both sounds is varied via a screwdriver-adjustable, internally-mounted potentiometer.

Price: $195 + $15 shipping to the lower 48. Off-list offers only; on-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59410 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Wonderful!  I just got a 24549 ERIE FLOODLIGHT on ebay with the same yellowing problem and was going to ask the group for advice.  I'll try it.


--- On Sat, 2/27/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Yellowed PLastic
To: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 10:09 AM







 









http://www.ehow com/video_ 4791198_cleaning -yellowed- plastic.html

Got one answer.



Now to figure out how to soak the box part of the truck only while glued to the body. I think I can modify a container, as there is a gap between the box part and the cab.



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: michael and Linda Marmer

To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S trains

Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:16 PM

Subject: Yellowed PLastic



I got a plain box truck today, in S, as I want to put some decals on the side.



It was from Ebay and the truck sides looked very white, which was perfect.



the truck came today and one side is yellow, not bright yellow, but it shows it has age, but the plastic is fine.



Is there a way to get this back to white again? using beach on it, Super Clean, any thoughts?



Thanks,



Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59411 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: BOX CAR WITH ISSUES
_AF By Lionel # 48313 State of Maine BX Car With Problem - eBay (item
200444220544 end time Mar-01-10 16:08:46 PST)_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/AF-By-Lionel-48313-State-of-Maine-BX-Car-With-Problem_W0QQitemZ200444220544QQcmdZViewIte
mQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2eab681480) You might try offering this
guy a bit less. Mike in OR


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59412 From: MikeS Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: York, Toy Train Paper & Memorabilia Group, Wednesday, April 21, 6 to
Toy Train Paper & Memorabilia Group

Wednesday, April 21, 6 to 8 pm

DIRECTIONS & FLYER: http://ttpandm.com/Downloads/April_2010_flyer.pdf
<http://ttpandm.com/Downloads/April_2010_flyer.pdf>

At the April York Meet please join the TTP&M Group at the Liberty Fire
Company, also known as the North York Fire Department.

This spacious venue offers plenty of table space for displayers to
spread out their paper and memorabilia, and evening hours make things
easy for those dealing with table set-up and break-down at the York
Fairgrounds and the motel meets.

Questions? Call Todd at 248-214-8186, Joe at 732-303-8299 or Harry at
703-644-2572.

Web site: http://www.ttpandm.com <http://www.ttpandm.com/>

Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/>

Please bring a favorite paper or memorabilia item to share...........

Todd Joe Harry




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59413 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: York Registration
My York registration came today which in not big deal, so I put it aside.

later I saw it was opened, and I asked Linda if she opened it. She said yes. LOL

How many wives open the York registration and she did not rip it up. She loves York.

Mike Marmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59414 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Great Bob.

I googled Yellowing plastic and found lots of sites, as one said only white plastic yellows.

Hydrogen Peroxide was mentioned too to use.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Yellowed PLastic



Wonderful! I just got a 24549 ERIE FLOODLIGHT on ebay with the same yellowing problem and was going to ask the group for advice. I'll try it.

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Yellowed PLastic
To: "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 10:09 AM



http://www.ehow com/video_ 4791198_cleaning -yellowed- plastic.html

Got one answer.

Now to figure out how to soak the box part of the truck only while glued to the body. I think I can modify a container, as there is a gap between the box part and the cab.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: michael and Linda Marmer

To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S trains

Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:16 PM

Subject: Yellowed PLastic

I got a plain box truck today, in S, as I want to put some decals on the side.

It was from Ebay and the truck sides looked very white, which was perfect.

the truck came today and one side is yellow, not bright yellow, but it shows it has age, but the plastic is fine.

Is there a way to get this back to white again? using beach on it, Super Clean, any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59415 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: WANTED: A/F By Lionel Boxcar w/damage?
Hi Jim,
� I have the frame, trucks etc, Contact me offsite and I'll give you prices. Do you want the AC Gilbert trucks or the Lionel trucks? Please contact me seccia@....
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] WANTED: A/F By Lionel Boxcar w/damage?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:11 PM







 









I'm in search of someone willing to part with a A/F by Lionel (Flyonel) boxcar with a damaged shell, or one with a God-awful paint job, whatever. What I need is the frame with trucks, door guides and doors. The shell I will use is not rare nor valuable, so it's not worth sacrificing another otherwise good boxcar for its frame or buying a new frame at $19.00, plus the doors and hardware. I'm just trying to piece this together at minimum cost. I'm willing to pay a reasonable price plus shipping/handling, etc. Please let me know if you have a candidate in your junk box.

Thanks in advance,

Jim E.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59416 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Hi Bob,
� Not sure if the third wire is a white wire.  This connects from the semaphore to a Power-R-Klip on the base rail of the track.  Hope this helps.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote:

From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 1:22 PM







 









I have been cleaning up some my new acquisitions - a pair of 761 Automatic Semaphores in this case. I've been able to find out or deduce pretty much everything about the operation except for one little twit - the 761 has a 3-color aspect. I certainly see how 2 of those aspects (the red and the green) are used and controlled.



What I don't see is how the third aspect (the one in the middle) is used or if it is even 'reachable' (i.e. whether the middle aspect can be commanded or turned on by the 2 control lines).



I rather suspect (since I have seen no reference to the 3rd aspect in any literature I have found) that the middle lens in the arm is strictly for show.



Bob Groh

Blue Springs, Missouri

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59417 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Hi Tom,
� You can set up AC reverse with a DPDT Toggle Switch.  Gilbert had a 695 Relay which did this automatically, but there was also a 698 Kit to do this with a double throw switch.  If you or a friend has a K-Line book it is on pages 331 and 332. I believe these are also on Chuck Harrington's site.  Myflyertrains.com.
� Tom Seccia
--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Thomas <takaufman2009@...> wrote:

From: Thomas <takaufman2009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 11:26 AM







 









Group,



I was wondering. Is it possible to wire a dpdt switch wired as a reversing switch to reverse AC power, or is that only a feature for DC.



I am weighing, spending the $80 to buy a electronic reverser with can motor conversion for my original Flyer 355, but was wondering since I have wired it for forward operation, sans reversing unit, to wire the dpdt in the interim, to allow manual reversing.



The dpdt switch I got from Home Depot, has three terminals, one terminal for each circuit with center off, and one common terminal for both. I remember from years ago the dpdt would have six terminals and you put two wires in a diagonal connection from each corner, and the center two were a power hookup as was one of the two ends.



I have misplaced the original wiring diagram for the older switches, but this switch threw me with only three terminals.



Any help would be appreciated. Please contact me off list at takaufman2009@ ymail.com.



Thanks in advance.



Tom

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59418 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> � Not sure if the third wire is a white wire.  This connects from the semaphore to a Power-R-Klip on the base rail of the track.  Hope this helps.
> Tom Seccia
>
The white wire is connected to an isolated rail in the track in front of the semaphore. When semaphore is 'Green' (i.e. the track in front of the semaphore doesn't have a train on it), then the white wire is connected (using a bit of spring brass inside the semaphore) to the 'Base' terminal on the power transformer - i.e. the track is now active. I pondered mightily today on that before the light dawned and I saw what was going on.

No, the white wire is not the answer. There are two solenoids in the semaphore - one is hooked to the red wire and the other is hooked to the green wire. When you energize the 'green' wire, the 'push' solenoid is energized and semaphore goes UP, the green lens is in place and the (as mentioned above) the white wire is connected to 'Base' and the train can proceed.

If the 'red' wire is energized, the 'pull' solenoid is energized and the semaphore arm is pulled down and the white wire is de-energized.

Quite sneaky. I played around with energizing both red and green at the same time (so the two solenoids fight each other) but that didn't work. Don't know at this point but interesting anyways.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Bob Groh
Group: S-Trains Message: 59419 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday February 28, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 3 minutes.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59420 From: garydmccullah Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Gilbert HO and S
'S' folk,
Rather than join a bunch more groups, I thought I would post this here to be forwarded to those who may be interested.
I was at the train show today in Bentonville, AR and one of the vendors had some Gilbert HO for sale. He also has a few pieces of 'S' including two of the walking barkeman cars.
His name is Roddy Gilkes and his E-mail address is Roddy at LERU.net. Direct all inquiries that direction.
Gary McCullah
Farmington, AR
Group: S-Trains Message: 59421 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Hi Bob,
I went in the basement and pulled out a junker 761.  I pulled off the base and I found the white wire connected to a brass clip, the green wire on one side of the coil, the red wire to the other side of the coil, the yellow wire connected to the black wire coming off the ladder, the other black wire was soldered to a solder lug on the base.  I never repaired one of these and I don't have a layout where I could test if, but see if your wiring is the same.  The wiring coming out of the semaphore goes Black wire to Base Post, yellow wire to accessory post 15V or 17V, green wire to control box, red wire to control box, white wire to base rail, from transformer yellow wire on 15V-17V post to control box, black wire from base post to base track rail and white or yellow wire from center variable voltage post to other rail on track.  This is on a two button control semaphore.  This diagram show a white wire from the semaphore
and a black wire from the transformer on the same rail of the track.  Got this out of the K-Line book, page 264.  The white wire seems to draw the plinger up and down.  See if this is any different than what you have.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote:

From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:54 PM







 









--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi Bob,

> � Not sure if the third wire is a white wire. This connects from the semaphore to a Power-R-Klip on the base rail of the track. Hope this helps.

> Tom Seccia

>

The white wire is connected to an isolated rail in the track in front of the semaphore. When semaphore is 'Green' (i.e. the track in front of the semaphore doesn't have a train on it), then the white wire is connected (using a bit of spring brass inside the semaphore) to the 'Base' terminal on the power transformer - i.e. the track is now active. I pondered mightily today on that before the light dawned and I saw what was going on.



No, the white wire is not the answer. There are two solenoids in the semaphore - one is hooked to the red wire and the other is hooked to the green wire. When you energize the 'green' wire, the 'push' solenoid is energized and semaphore goes UP, the green lens is in place and the (as mentioned above) the white wire is connected to 'Base' and the train can proceed.



If the 'red' wire is energized, the 'pull' solenoid is energized and the semaphore arm is pulled down and the white wire is de-energized.



Quite sneaky. I played around with energizing both red and green at the same time (so the two solenoids fight each other) but that didn't work. Don't know at this point but interesting anyways.



Thanks for your thoughts!



Bob Groh

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59422 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Photo: AF 302 Mounted On Mailbox
SUBJECT: Photos of an American Flyer #302 Atlantic shell, mounted on top of a mailbox

Photos are in the following Picasa album:
http://picasaweb.google.com/sgaugers/Feb2010#

~~~QUESTION:

Can we make the claim, that this is the first web photo,
showing an attempt to mount an S gauge engine on a mailbox ??

~~~THE STORY:

One of our SusquehannaSgaugers.com members Earl W., mounted an old American Flyer Atlantic shell onto a mailbox (at my request).
The tender has block of wood in it, screwed to base, to resist someone easily removing it.
The engine is also screwed to the base.
Everything is sprayed with clearcoat, to protect it from the weather.

Since I'm basically a "klutz" at carpentry stuff, I'm waiting for warmer weather before I try to mount this mailbox on the mailbox post.

Of course the big question is, "will this mailbox get vandalized?". I live in a relatively "quiet" neighborhood, so I'm hoping it will last a while without being damaged.


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Thanks. - Jim Ingram, VMS/Land 570.322.7597, Williamsport PA
Easy RR web pages at http://BilltownWeb.com , http://track2.com ,MacBook Pro/OS 10.6
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59423 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: BOX CAR WITH ISSUES
Thanks, I'll look into it.
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:25:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: BOX CAR WITH ISSUES






_AF By Lionel # 48313 State of Maine BX Car With Problem - eBay (item
200444220544 end time Mar-01-10 16:08:46 PST)_
( http://cgi.ebay.com/AF-By-Lionel-48313-State-of-Maine-BX-Car-With-Problem_W0QQitemZ200444220544QQcmdZViewIte
mQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2eab681480) You might try offering this
guy a bit less. Mike in OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59424 From: Bob Groh Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Your wiring details exactly correspond to what I found on mine.
Yellow: Voltage to light the bulb
Red: Voltage to set semaphore arm to 'Red'
Green: Voltage to set semaphore arm to 'Green'
White: Connects isolated rail to 'Base' when aspect is 'Green'
Black: From Base on transformer to case metal on semaphore (i.e. common or
ground).

Still see no way (and no mention of a 'way') to get a 3rd aspect (the clear
lens on the signal). Don't think there is any way! I'm still enamored with
them - I can see a very small layout which will just incorporate one each of
all the accessories that AF made. How cool would that be. And how
expensive!

Thanks for your help.

Bob

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Sheila Seccia
<trainsandhobbies@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bob,
> I went in the basement and pulled out a junker 761. I pulled off the base
> and I found the white wire connected to a brass clip, the green wire on one
> side of the coil, the red wire to the other side of the coil, the yellow
> wire connected to the black wire coming off the ladder, the other black wire
> was soldered to a solder lug on the base. I never repaired one of these and
> I don't have a layout where I could test if, but see if your wiring is the
> same. The wiring coming out of the semaphore goes Black wire to Base Post,
> yellow wire to accessory post 15V or 17V, green wire to control box, red
> wire to control box, white wire to base rail, from transformer yellow wire
> on 15V-17V post to control box, black wire from base post to base track rail
> and white or yellow wire from center variable voltage post to other rail on
> track. This is on a two button control semaphore. This diagram show a
> white wire from the semaphore
> and a black wire from the transformer on the same rail of the track. Got
> this out of the K-Line book, page 264. The white wire seems to draw the
> plinger up and down. See if this is any different than what you have.
>
> Tom Seccia
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59425 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
I thought the original question was about the red, yellow, and green lenses in the flag.  Yes, the yellow is just for show; it never stopped in that position.

If the question was what the white wire is for, it provides base post power to the isolated track block when the track ahead is clear.  Read about the overall operation of semaphores on my website:

     http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/semaphores.html

Tom has the wiring hook-up correct in his message that follows here, but his speculation on what the white wire does is incorrect.


--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:58 PM







 









Hi Bob,

I went in the basement and pulled out a junker 761.  I pulled off the base and I found the white wire connected to a brass clip, the green wire on one side of the coil, the red wire to the other side of the coil, the yellow wire connected to the black wire coming off the ladder, the other black wire was soldered to a solder lug on the base.  I never repaired one of these and I don't have a layout where I could test if, but see if your wiring is the same.  The wiring coming out of the semaphore goes Black wire to Base Post, yellow wire to accessory post 15V or 17V, green wire to control box, red wire to control box, white wire to base rail, from transformer yellow wire on 15V-17V post to control box, black wire from base post to base track rail and white or yellow wire from center variable voltage post to other rail on track.  This is on a two button control semaphore.  This diagram show a white wire from the semaphore

and a black wire from the transformer on the same rail of the track.  Got this out of the K-Line book, page 264.  The white wire seems to draw the plinger up and down.  See if this is any different than what you have.

Tom Seccia













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Group: S-Trains Message: 59426 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
I think the original questioner was talking about reversing direction of
the locomotive, not wiring a reverse loop. If your were to use a DPDT
switch to reverse an AC locomotive's universal motor, as in AF-S gauge
products, you would need to have it mounted on the locomotive itself
because you would be reversing only the wires that go to the field. If
you want reverse control with a DPDT switch in the track supply line,
you need to be running on DC using a DC motor (can motor or original
Gilbert DC motor) or an AC universal motor that has a bridge rectifier
inserted in the leads that go to the field. You can find a diagram
showing how to insert this rectifier at
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm. A DPDT
locomotive mounted switch could be inserted at the same point with wires
crisscrossed from upper left to lower right and upper right to lower
left contacts and substituted for the rectifier. The blue and purple
wires in the diagram would go to the center contacts and the red and
green wires would go to the side contacts on one side of the switch, or
vice versa. If you insert the rectifier, you can only run on DC, but
you can reverse by changing polarity of the current to the tracks with a
similarly wired DPDT switch in the track supply line. The DPDT switch
on the locomotive will work on either AC or DC, but you end up with a
manual reverse switch on the locomotive.

Dale

Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
>
> Hi Tom,
> � You can set up AC reverse with a DPDT Toggle Switch. Gilbert had a
> 695 Relay which did this automatically, ...
>
>
>
> Group,
>
> I was wondering. Is it possible to wire a dpdt switch wired as a
> reversing switch to reverse AC power, or is that only a feature for DC.
>
> I am weighing, spending the $80 to buy a electronic reverser with can
> motor conversion for my original Flyer 355, but was wondering since I
> have wired it for forward operation, sans reversing unit, to wire the
> dpdt in the interim, to allow manual reversing.
>
> The dpdt switch I got from Home Depot, has three terminals, one
> terminal for each circuit with center off, and one common terminal for
> both. I remember from years ago the dpdt would have six terminals and
> you put two wires in a diagonal connection from each corner, and the
> center two were a power hookup as was one of the two ends.
>
> I have misplaced the original wiring diagram for the older switches,
> but this switch threw me with only three terminals.
>
> Any help would be appreciated. Please contact me off list at
> takaufman2009@ ymail.com.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Tom
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59427 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Mike,
 
 
I have " repaired" yellowed model car decals by letting them sit in the sun. The sunlight would turn leoowed decals white or clear again depending on original color.


--- On Sat, 2/27/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Yellowed PLastic
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:16 PM


 



I got a plain box truck today, in S, as I want to put some decals on the side.

It was from Ebay and the truck sides looked very white, which was perfect.

the truck came today and one side is yellow, not bright yellow, but it shows it has age, but the plastic is fine.

Is there a way to get this back to white again? using beach on it, Super Clean, any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59428 From: Nick Kulp Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Tom and Bob,
 
I have two 761 semaphores on my layout and they are both operating.
 
Here is how it is supposed to work.
 
Red wire controls the STOP aspect using a momentary contact (button or track trip)
Green wire controls the GO aspect.(button or track trip)
Yellow wire lights the LIGHT to the 15VAC post and completes the electrical circuit to throw the solenoid when the button is pushed or the track trip is activated.
Black wire is the BASE.
The White wire controls the Isolated section for auomatic control by making or breaking the electrical circuit in a short isolated section of track. (one rail) The power comes from the Base rail so don't isolate the wrong rail section or smoke happens.
If you use the 697 track trips, the Red wire goes to the trip used to stop the train, usually placed immediately after the signal. The green wire goes to the trip to start the train in the stopping section where the WHITE wire is connected.
 
Basically, the semaphore provides a bit of automation by permitting two trains to run on a single loop of track. The placement of the track trips set up the timing.
 
When a train passes the signal, the track trip with the red wire connected completes a circuit that drops the semaphore and the isolated rail section is dead. The usual length is about 2-3 feet. Steam locos tend to coast and will overrun the signal if it is too short. When the following train enters the isolated section, it stops until the first train hits the track trip connected to the Green wire. The track trip completes the circuit and raises the blade to GREEN, also completing the circuit that powers the isolated rail through the White wire. Now the second train pases the signal and the cycle repeats itself.
 
If you use the control box, the cycle become manual and the operator controls the semaphore. Don't get distracted when you have a train stopped at the signal. Cabooses are cheap but think of the poor conductor from Emporer of the North. <grin>
 
I have had mine operating since June of last year. It hadn't been out of the box since the 1980's. My semaphore was bought by my father in 1948 and it worked on every layout at Christmas until I turned 15 and changed to HO scale. In 1981, my father asked me if "I wanted the trains" because they were cleaning out the attic. They stayed in their boxes until 1982, the first year I owned my first home and had our first Christmas layout. It was in the dining room, just like my childhood. I even used the same 3' X 4' boards my father made for the layout.
 
My daughter inherited her Godfather's American Flyer trains when he passed suddenly last year. She owns two more 761 semaphores plus the reversing loop unit made from the semaphore base. The new layout is 16' X 6' and can handle up to six trains at one time using the semaphores and the switches set up for 2-train operation. It is a blast to operate for guests.
 
I am amazed that after almost 60 years these toys operate without any major problems, just like Christmases long ago. These were made by folks proud of their participation in the toy train industry.
 
I hope this clears up any mysteries about how this great accessory works. I have a small video that shows the operation of the one semaphore. I could post it in the files section if anyone is interested.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
Hi Bob,
I went in the basement and pulled out a junker 761.  I pulled off the base and I found the white wire connected to a brass clip, the green wire on one side of the coil, the red wire to the other side of the coil, the yellow wire connected to the black wire coming off the ladder, the other black wire was soldered to a solder lug on the base.  I never repaired one of these and I don't have a layout where I could test if, but see if your wiring is the same.  The wiring coming out of the semaphore goes Black wire to Base Post, yellow wire to accessory post 15V or 17V, green wire to control box, red wire to control box, white wire to base rail, from transformer yellow wire on 15V-17V post to control box, black wire from base post to base track rail and white or yellow wire from center variable voltage post to other rail on track.  This is on a two button control semaphore.  This diagram show a white wire from the semaphore
and a black wire from the transformer on the same rail of the track.  Got this out of the K-Line book, page 264.  The white wire seems to draw the plinger up and down.  See if this is any different than what you have.
Tom Seccia
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59429 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Hi Dale,
� I thought he was trying to make a reverse loop.  A.C. Gilbert did put a PA15D200 DPDT switch in the back of a 21160 Atlantic for forward and reverse and also on Baldwins with a PA15A330 Slide bar. I have the PA15D200 switches in stock.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 2/28/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 12:19 AM







 









I think the original questioner was talking about reversing direction of

the locomotive, not wiring a reverse loop. If your were to use a DPDT

switch to reverse an AC locomotive's universal motor, as in AF-S gauge

products, you would need to have it mounted on the locomotive itself

because you would be reversing only the wires that go to the field. If

you want reverse control with a DPDT switch in the track supply line,

you need to be running on DC using a DC motor (can motor or original

Gilbert DC motor) or an AC universal motor that has a bridge rectifier

inserted in the leads that go to the field. You can find a diagram

showing how to insert this rectifier at

http://www.trainweb .org/s-trains/ repair/rectifier .htm. A DPDT

locomotive mounted switch could be inserted at the same point with wires

crisscrossed from upper left to lower right and upper right to lower

left contacts and substituted for the rectifier. The blue and purple

wires in the diagram would go to the center contacts and the red and

green wires would go to the side contacts on one side of the switch, or

vice versa. If you insert the rectifier, you can only run on DC, but

you can reverse by changing polarity of the current to the tracks with a

similarly wired DPDT switch in the track supply line. The DPDT switch

on the locomotive will work on either AC or DC, but you end up with a

manual reverse switch on the locomotive.



Dale



Sheila Seccia wrote:

>

>

> Hi Tom,

> � You can set up AC reverse with a DPDT Toggle Switch. Gilbert had a

> 695 Relay which did this automatically, ...

>

>

>

> Group,

>

> I was wondering. Is it possible to wire a dpdt switch wired as a

> reversing switch to reverse AC power, or is that only a feature for DC.

>

> I am weighing, spending the $80 to buy a electronic reverser with can

> motor conversion for my original Flyer 355, but was wondering since I

> have wired it for forward operation, sans reversing unit, to wire the

> dpdt in the interim, to allow manual reversing.

>

> The dpdt switch I got from Home Depot, has three terminals, one

> terminal for each circuit with center off, and one common terminal for

> both. I remember from years ago the dpdt would have six terminals and

> you put two wires in a diagonal connection from each corner, and the

> center two were a power hookup as was one of the two ends.

>

> I have misplaced the original wiring diagram for the older switches,

> but this switch threw me with only three terminals.

>

> Any help would be appreciated. Please contact me off list at

> takaufman2009@ ymail.com.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Tom

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59430 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
Thanks Nick,
� Never used one of these semaphores when I had my layout and I never repaired one.  I'll keep this information.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 2/28/10, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote:

From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 12:02 AM







 









Tom and Bob,



I have two 761 semaphores on my layout and they are both operating.



Here is how it is supposed to work.



Red wire controls the STOP aspect using a momentary contact (button or track trip)

Green wire controls the GO aspect.(button or track trip)

Yellow wire lights the LIGHT to the 15VAC post and completes the electrical circuit to throw the solenoid when the button is pushed or the track trip is activated.

Black wire is the BASE.

The White wire controls the Isolated section for auomatic control by making or breaking the electrical circuit in a short isolated section of track. (one rail) The power comes from the Base rail so don't isolate the wrong rail section or smoke happens.

If you use the 697 track trips, the Red wire goes to the trip used to stop the train, usually placed immediately after the signal. The green wire goes to the trip to start the train in the stopping section where the WHITE wire is connected.



Basically, the semaphore provides a bit of automation by permitting two trains to run on a single loop of track. The placement of the track trips set up the timing.



When a train passes the signal, the track trip with the red wire connected completes a circuit that drops the semaphore and the isolated rail section is dead. The usual length is about 2-3 feet. Steam locos tend to coast and will overrun the signal if it is too short. When the following train enters the isolated section, it stops until the first train hits the track trip connected to the Green wire. The track trip completes the circuit and raises the blade to GREEN, also completing the circuit that powers the isolated rail through the White wire. Now the second train pases the signal and the cycle repeats itself.



If you use the control box, the cycle become manual and the operator controls the semaphore. Don't get distracted when you have a train stopped at the signal. Cabooses are cheap but think of the poor conductor from Emporer of the North. <grin>



I have had mine operating since June of last year. It hadn't been out of the box since the 1980's. My semaphore was bought by my father in 1948 and it worked on every layout at Christmas until I turned 15 and changed to HO scale. In 1981, my father asked me if "I wanted the trains" because they were cleaning out the attic. They stayed in their boxes until 1982, the first year I owned my first home and had our first Christmas layout. It was in the dining room, just like my childhood. I even used the same 3' X 4' boards my father made for the layout.



My daughter inherited her Godfather's American Flyer trains when he passed suddenly last year. She owns two more 761 semaphores plus the reversing loop unit made from the semaphore base. The new layout is 16' X 6' and can handle up to six trains at one time using the semaphores and the switches set up for 2-train operation. It is a blast to operate for guests.



I am amazed that after almost 60 years these toys operate without any major problems, just like Christmases long ago. These were made by folks proud of their participation in the toy train industry.



I hope this clears up any mysteries about how this great accessory works. I have a small video that shows the operation of the one semaphore. I could post it in the files section if anyone is interested.



Regards,

Nick Kulp



>>>>>

Hi Bob,

I went in the basement and pulled out a junker 761. I pulled off the base and I found the white wire connected to a brass clip, the green wire on one side of the coil, the red wire to the other side of the coil, the yellow wire connected to the black wire coming off the ladder, the other black wire was soldered to a solder lug on the base. I never repaired one of these and I don't have a layout where I could test if, but see if your wiring is the same. The wiring coming out of the semaphore goes Black wire to Base Post, yellow wire to accessory post 15V or 17V, green wire to control box, red wire to control box, white wire to base rail, from transformer yellow wire on 15V-17V post to control box, black wire from base post to base track rail and white or yellow wire from center variable voltage post to other rail on track. This is on a two button control semaphore. This diagram show a white wire from the semaphore

and a black wire from the transformer on the same rail of the track. Got this out of the K-Line book, page 264. The white wire seems to draw the plinger up and down. See if this is any different than what you have.

Tom Seccia

>>>>>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59431 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Yellowed PLastic
Thanks Bob, but this is a plain white cargo area on the truck body that I want to decal.

I got the yellow part cleaned pretty well.

I don't think the beach soak worked much. As I just soaked the plastic part.

I took real fine auto body sand paper and that got allot of the yellow off, so I think once I get the decals on, it will be fine.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Yellowed PLastic



Mike,


I have " repaired" yellowed model car decals by letting them sit in the sun. The sunlight would turn leoowed decals white or clear again depending on original color.

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Yellowed PLastic
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:16 PM



I got a plain box truck today, in S, as I want to put some decals on the side.

It was from Ebay and the truck sides looked very white, which was perfect.

the truck came today and one side is yellow, not bright yellow, but it shows it has age, but the plastic is fine.

Is there a way to get this back to white again? using beach on it, Super Clean, any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59432 From: Dave Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: A&P Reefer
We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company) refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/1545814340/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59433 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday February 28, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59434 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Apples done
I meant to write Cooked in Oven!!!!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S trains
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:38 PM
Subject: Apples done


Making S scale apples is nerve whacking while watching Hockey.

First batch is done, cooked in apple, perfect.

mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59435 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Apples done
Making S scale apples is nerve whacking while watching Hockey.

First batch is done, cooked in apple, perfect.

mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59436 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Dave,

is the other side Yellow? Just kidding nice looking car.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer



We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company) refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/1545814340/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59437 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
One of the locomotives in my collection is a 21158, which as you know
had no reverse of any kind, on which someone had wired a reversing
toggle switch sticking out of the back. The prior owner should have
bought one of your switches and wired it facing down. I removed it so I
could wire it for DC reversing. I will probably add a coal bunker on
the back to cover up the hole, thus converting an oil burner to coal.

Dale

Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dale,
> � I thought he was trying to make a reverse loop. A.C. Gilbert did
> put a PA15D200 DPDT switch in the back of a 21160 Atlantic for forward
> and reverse and also on Baldwins with a PA15A330 Slide bar. I have the
> PA15D200 switches in stock.
> � Tom Seccia
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59438 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Apples
Baking S scale apples in the oven.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59439 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF 761 Semaphore - 3 aspects?
FYI, 761-related videos:

VIDEO 1: Mark Anderman's video demonstrates this semaphore in operation, controlling multiple trains:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU

VIDEO 2: My later video demonstrates a Railroad Concepts DPDT "Switching Interface Module" doing essentially the same function of controlling multiple trains:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQvdO9CzH1c

This setup used reed switches in the track, activated by magnets on the engine or first car behind the engine.



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On Feb 28, 2010, at 12:02 AM, Nick Kulp wrote:

> Tom and Bob,
>
> I have two 761 semaphores on my layout and they are both operating.
>
> Here is how it is supposed to work.
>
> Red wire controls the STOP aspect using a momentary contact (button or track trip)
> Green wire controls the GO aspect.(button or track trip)
> Yellow wire lights the LIGHT to the 15VAC post and completes the electrical circuit to throw the solenoid when the button is pushed or the track trip is activated.
> Black wire is the BASE.
> The White wire controls the Isolated section for auomatic control by making or breaking the electrical circuit in a short isolated section of track. (one rail) The power comes from the Base rail so don't isolate the wrong rail section or smoke happens.
> If you use the 697 track trips, the Red wire goes to the trip used to stop the train, usually placed immediately after the signal. The green wire goes to the trip to start the train in the stopping section where the WHITE wire is connected.
>
> Basically, the semaphore provides a bit of automation by permitting two trains to run on a single loop of track. The placement of the track trips set up the timing.

<SNIP>


:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59440 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Hi Dale,
� In order for a 21158 to reverse you must add two PA15A178 Pick Up Shoes to the front of the bottom pick up plate XA15B222.  The 21158 Blue Docksider only has two pick up shoes.  Thats if you want it to reverse. Might not look too good with that toggle switch out the back.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 2/28/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:30 PM







 









One of the locomotives in my collection is a 21158, which as you know

had no reverse of any kind, on which someone had wired a reversing

toggle switch sticking out of the back. The prior owner should have

bought one of your switches and wired it facing down. I removed it so I

could wire it for DC reversing. I will probably add a coal bunker on

the back to cover up the hole, thus converting an oil burner to coal.



Dale



Sheila Seccia wrote:

>

>

> Hi Dale,

> � I thought he was trying to make a reverse loop. A.C. Gilbert did

> put a PA15D200 DPDT switch in the back of a 21160 Atlantic for forward

> and reverse and also on Baldwins with a PA15A330 Slide bar. I have the

> PA15D200 switches in stock.

> � Tom Seccia

>

>

>























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59441 From: David Dewey Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: AF Semaphores & Mailbox locos
Yes, the AF semaphore may have three lenses, but just two postiitons. I too, have been thinking about the mid-point, but have yet to come up with a possibility--so if anyone out there has made it work, let us know!

Neat mailbox top--however, ACG locos are not weatherproof! Ya might consider an acrylic cover for it, otherwise you are going to be quickly disapointed in how badly it will weather & become a rusty lump on top of a mailbox.

S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59442 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: 1910 RR station
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/25/AR2010022505232.html

Interesting article about a 1910 Passenger station that re-opened as a museum as it reflect the time of segregation with "White" and "Colored" waiting rooms, as this meant to show us today how things where, as many of these things no longer exist physically, due to development etc. this a serious museum as museum make us remember, not to forget the past, as hopefully things like this never will happen again.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59443 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Would have thought a blue 21158 too much of a collectors item to mess about with. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.



Hi Dale,
� In order for a 21158 to reverse you must add two PA15A178 Pick Up Shoes to the front of the bottom pick up plate XA15B222. The 21158 Blue Docksider only has two pick up shoes. Thats if you want it to reverse. Might not look too good with that toggle switch out the back.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 2/28/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:30 PM



One of the locomotives in my collection is a 21158, which as you know

had no reverse of any kind, on which someone had wired a reversing

toggle switch sticking out of the back. The prior owner should have

bought one of your switches and wired it facing down. I removed it so I

could wire it for DC reversing. I will probably add a coal bunker on

the back to cover up the hole, thus converting an oil burner to coal.

Dale

Sheila Seccia wrote:

>

>

> Hi Dale,

> � I thought he was trying to make a reverse loop. A.C. Gilbert did

> put a PA15D200 DPDT switch in the back of a 21160 Atlantic for forward

> and reverse and also on Baldwins with a PA15A330 Slide bar. I have the

> PA15D200 switches in stock.

> � Tom Seccia

>

>

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59444 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Conversion of AF equipment to scale / can motors
Are there any resources or instructions available to convert an AF steam

or diesel engine to scale operation?

I'm thinking of replacing the motor with a can motor and changing the
wheels to scale so I can run on code 100 or 125 track rather than going
the hi-rail route.

I've already converted most of my powered equipment to DC but understand
that can motors are much better for performance and easier to fit with DCC.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Carey



Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59445 From: ron_tallyho Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Am I missing something?
Any idea why this item brought $283.00? Ebay item 140383745167. Ron Plyler
Group: S-Trains Message: 59446 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Ron,
     Other than the fact that it is used on all AF northern tenders 1946 - 1960 (except for S.I.T.)  and that there are not many out there in such good condition and the fact that it has no end casting, we can only say that the winner really, really wanted it and they had very deepppppppp pockets.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


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From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:48 AM


 



Any idea why this item brought $283.00? Ebay item 140383745167. Ron Plyler











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59447 From: George Cohn Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
ron_tallyho wrote:
>
>
> Any idea why this item brought $283.00? Ebay item 140383745167. Ron Plyler

Looks like the tender shell for something like a K335. Complete and
original I have seen the K335 combo bring a thousand or more. Maybe
someone has one they are restoring and just wanted it that badly? ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59448 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...Addendum
Okay. Okay. Everyone always wants a deal. I'll go ahead and eliminate the $15 shipping so the total price becomes $195 including shipping to the lower 48. This is a $250 engine with Kadee 802s already installed. Hey! Such a deal!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...Addendum
Slight Correction to Offer: Tom Hawley, guru of all-things-S-trains from that wasteland located to the north of Ohio points out that his belief is that only the AC version of the GG1 had sound units. I honestly don't know but defer to his knowledge. The AM instruction sheet makes no differentiation between AC and DC where sound is concerned.



----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...
For Pennsy Freaks, I have for sale one test-run only American Models' GG1. This DC unit is decked out in flawless Tuscan red with five golden stripes along both sides. Engine #4876. Scale-flanged wheels only. Kadee 802's installed. Directional-reversing lighting. Both track power and pantograph electrical pick-up available. Original yellow and blue AM packaging. Per the instructions that came with the unit, the engine features an "air compressor" sound which runs about every minute and an "air blow off" sound about two times a minute. Volume for both sounds is varied via a screwdriver-adjustable, internally-mounted potentiometer.

Price: $195 + $15 shipping to the lower 48. Off-list offers only; on-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59449 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Bidding fever? Last second snipping?

Lack of knowledge of values?

EBAY lunacy maybe. I know of one person selling BMW Roundel decals for
$10 on EBAY he bought for $1 at the dealer.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



ron_tallyho wrote:
>
> Any idea why this item brought $283.00? Ebay item 140383745167. Ron Plyler
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59450 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Seems strange - could almost believe it for a prewar O gauge Northern tender body as they are rarely found in anything but warped or cracked condition. Perhaps they bought it to fit a prewar tender chassis but I have a feeling there is a slight dimensional difference. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:37 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?



Ron,
Other than the fact that it is used on all AF northern tenders 1946 - 1960 (except for S.I.T.) and that there are not many out there in such good condition and the fact that it has no end casting, we can only say that the winner really, really wanted it and they had very deepppppppp pockets.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.


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From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:48 AM



Any idea why this item brought $283.00? Ebay item 140383745167. Ron Plyler

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59451 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Conversion of AF equipment to scale/can motors
Converting old Flyer equipment to scale was rather common some years ago. Generally to run on code 100 rail (HO size rail) it is neccessary to turn down the wheel flanges of all wheels. While tough enough to do on the plastic wheels of freight cars, it was tougher to do on metal wheels on passenger cars and pick up wheels on tenders. Worst of all was turning down ocomotive drivers which required removing them from the axles then replacing them IN QUARTER so as not to bind the side rods. There is also a questioin of regauging these wheels.
Back then track was generally hand laid using HO rail on pre-cut wooden ties, which you cut yourself or ordered from a wood company. S Scalers did have scale equipment availible in limited numbers, generally expensive "craftsman" kits which took a good deal of skill and time to build. They were a hardy bunch.
Today there is more scale equipment availible, so it isn't so bad. Most no longer bother trying to convert old Flyer to scale.
HOWEVER, why not go Hi-rail using the very nice track availible from S Helper Service with the lowest rail code(125)still able to use Flyer wheels, or American Models track, just a bit taller. I know SHS track will work with either scale or Hi-rail wheels and I think AM might too.
Yes, DC is the way to go if you want to use DCC control.
I do DC can motors and Hi-rail for reliable tracking and operation at train shows and find it the best of both worlds.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ohio.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59452 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Carey ask if bidding war?

My internet connection is very slow for some reason, as you can look at bid
history to see if two where in a bidding war.

I am sure they had their reasons as we can not assume the lack of knowledge
about the item.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carey Probst" <carey@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?


> Bidding fever? Last second snipping?
>
> Lack of knowledge of values?
>
> EBAY lunacy maybe. I know of one person selling BMW Roundel decals for
> $10 on EBAY he bought for $1 at the dealer.
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> Perm: hcprobst@...
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
>
>
> ron_tallyho wrote:
>>
>> Any idea why this item brought $283.00? Ebay item 140383745167. Ron
>> Plyler
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59453 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Somebody really needed this rusty hunk very badly....


In a message dated 03/01/2010 9:01:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
ron_tallyho@... writes:




Any idea why this item brought $283.00? Ebay item 140383745167. Ron Plyler





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59454 From: Lew Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Later this week I will have access to the American Flyer collection in
an estate. It is my understanding that it is a complete set of all
train and accessory models and includes some other S gauge accessories
and cars.

Would like to put together a list of the most valuable and harder to
find items to try and get. If some members here could put together
their top ten list or something like that, it would help me determine
which parts of the AF collection I should try and get.

Any help with a list of most desireable AF items would be greatly
appreciated.

A member of this group suggested I come here for information, so here I
am :)

Thanks,

Lew
Group: S-Trains Message: 59455 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
10 bids, only two repeats, so not a bidding won, just several who wanted this item. Good for all, seller and buyer who won.

Mike Marmer

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?



Carey ask if bidding war?

My internet connection is very slow for some reason, as you can look at bid
history to see if two where in a bidding war.

I am sure they had their reasons as we can not assume the lack of knowledge
about the item.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carey Probst" <carey@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59456 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Tom,

I wasn't sure it was possible to just add the additional pickups,
without doing a whole new pickup plate. What I don't understand is how
reversing is only possible with the additional pick up shoes? I know
it makes pickup more reliable, but what does it have to do with
reversing? By the way the toggle has already been removed for just the
reason of the unsightliness you mentioned. What I plan to do is insert
a bridge rectifier leading to the field windings to allow directional
polarity reversing on DC current.

Dale

Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dale,
> � In order for a 21158 to reverse you must add two PA15A178 Pick Up
> Shoes to the front of the bottom pick up plate XA15B222. The 21158
> Blue Docksider only has two pick up shoes. Thats if you want it to
> reverse. Might not look too good with that toggle switch out the back.
> � Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...
> <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>> wrote:
>
> From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:30 PM
>
>
>
> One of the locomotives in my collection is a 21158, which as you know
>
> had no reverse of any kind, on which someone had wired a reversing
>
> toggle switch sticking out of the back. The prior owner should have
>
> bought one of your switches and wired it facing down. I removed it so I
>
> could wire it for DC reversing. I will probably add a coal bunker on
>
> the back to cover up the hole, thus converting an oil burner to coal.
>
> Dale
>
> Sheila Seccia wrote:


>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59457 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Alistair,

I think it was probably the least desirable of the original
Docksiders. Maybe I wouldn't mess with it if it didn't have that big
hole in the back of it, but I would like to make it look a bit more
presentable. Anyway, rewiring with a bridge rectifier is reversible in
any case. If anyone has any ideas to camouflage the hole I am open to
suggestions.

Dale

Alistair McAllister wrote:
>
>
> Would have thought a blue 21158 too much of a collectors item to mess
> about with. Alistair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
>
> Hi Dale,
> � In order for a 21158 to reverse you must add two PA15A178 Pick Up
> Shoes to the front of the bottom pick up plate XA15B222. The 21158
> Blue Docksider only has two pick up shoes. Thats if you want it to
> reverse. Might not look too good with that toggle switch out the back.
> � Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...
> <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>> wrote:
>
> From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups..com>
> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:30 PM
>
> One of the locomotives in my collection is a 21158, which as you know
>
> had no reverse of any kind, on which someone had wired a reversing
>
> toggle switch sticking out of the back. The prior owner should have
>
> bought one of your switches and wired it facing down. I removed it so I
>
> could wire it for DC reversing. I will probably add a coal bunker on
>
> the back to cover up the hole, thus converting an oil burner to coal.
>
> Dale
>
> Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi Dale,
>
> > � I thought he was trying to make a reverse loop. A.C. Gilbert did
>
> > put a PA15D200 DPDT switch in the back of a 21160 Atlantic for forward
>
> > and reverse and also on Baldwins with a PA15A330 Slide bar. I have the
>
> > PA15D200 switches in stock.
>
> > � Tom Seccia
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59458 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
Hi Dale,
To make it reverse with AC, you would also need a XA14C429 Reverse Unit.  Since you're trying to used a bridge rectifier for DC, it would most likely be easier to do than AC.  You should not need the other front contacts but the wiring configuration would be different than a normal bridge rectifier conversion.  Each Docksider has a different wiring configuration.  21155 had smoke & reverse, 21156 had reverse, 21158 no reverse. None had lights.  It might help you if you had these wiring diagrams.  As for the big hole in the back, if you have a Casey Jones shell 21165, 21166, cut out the back and trim it for the Docksider. I believe that will work.
� Tom Seccia


--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:16 PM







 









Tom,



I wasn't sure it was possible to just add the additional pickups,

without doing a whole new pickup plate. What I don't understand is how

reversing is only possible with the additional pick up shoes? I know

it makes pickup more reliable, but what does it have to do with

reversing? By the way the toggle has already been removed for just the

reason of the unsightliness you mentioned. What I plan to do is insert

a bridge rectifier leading to the field windings to allow directional

polarity reversing on DC current.



Dale



Sheila Seccia wrote:

>

>

> Hi Dale,

> � In order for a 21158 to reverse you must add two PA15A178 Pick Up

> Shoes to the front of the bottom pick up plate XA15B222. The 21158

> Blue Docksider only has two pick up shoes. Thats if you want it to

> reverse. Might not look too good with that toggle switch out the back.

> � Tom Seccia

>

> --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net

> <mailto:dfsmith26% 40att.net> > wrote:

>

> From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net <mailto:dfsmith26% 40att.net> >

> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com>

> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:30 PM

>

>

>

> One of the locomotives in my collection is a 21158, which as you know

>

> had no reverse of any kind, on which someone had wired a reversing

>

> toggle switch sticking out of the back. The prior owner should have

>

> bought one of your switches and wired it facing down. I removed it so I

>

> could wire it for DC reversing. I will probably add a coal bunker on

>

> the back to cover up the hole, thus converting an oil burner to coal.

>

> Dale

>

> Sheila Seccia wrote:



>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59459 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Stupid question, maybe.
How about a Reverse light? Mike


In a message dated 3/1/2010 4:07:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dfsmith26@... writes:




Alistair,

I think it was probably the least desirable of the original
Docksiders. Maybe I wouldn't mess with it if it didn't have that big
hole in the back of it, but I would like to make it look a bit more
presentable. Anyway, rewiring with a bridge rectifier is reversible in
any case. If anyone has any ideas to camouflage the hole I am open to
suggestions.

Dale

Alistair McAllister wrote:
>
>
> Would have thought a blue 21158 too much of a collectors item to mess
> about with. Alistair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
<mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
>
> Hi Dale,
> � In order for a 21158 to reverse you must add two PA15A178 Pick Up
> Shoes to the front of the bottom pick up plate XA15B222. The 21158
> Blue Docksider only has two pick up shoes. Thats if you want it to
> reverse. Might not look too good with that toggle switch out the back.
> � Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Dale Smith <_dfsmith26@..._
(mailto:dfsmith26@...)
> <mailto:dfsmith26%mailto:df>> wrote:
>
> From: Dale Smith <_dfsmith26@..._ (mailto:dfsmith26@...)
<mailto:dfsmith26%mailto:df>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stupid question, maybe.
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Trai_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups..com)
<mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmail>
> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:30 PM
>
> One of the locomotives in my collection is a 21158, which as you know
>
> had no reverse of any kind, on which someone had wired a reversing
>
> toggle switch sticking out of the back. The prior owner should have
>
> bought one of your switches and wired it facing down. I removed it so I
>
> could wire it for DC reversing. I will probably add a coal bunker on
>
> the back to cover up the hole, thus converting an oil burner to coal.
>
> Dale
>
> Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi Dale,
>
> > � I thought he was trying to make a reverse loop. A.C. Gilbert did
>
> > put a PA15D200 DPDT switch in the back of a 21160 Atlantic for forward
>
> > and reverse and also on Baldwins with a PA15A330 Slide bar. I have the
>
> > PA15D200 switches in stock.
>
> > � Tom Seccia
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59460 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Apple Crates
Now that I got clay apple production going on, I am going to order wooden crates from GC Laser tomorrow.

So now, how big is a commercial apple crate, as I could of driven a hour to a place that is commercial apple place, next to a C&O Canal visitor center. LOL

But I figure I will use google as I got my answer.

there are many sizes of apple crates but for use in refrigerator cars, they are 16x13&5/8x12 inches.

I know too much information with the added 5/8" LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59461 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Am I missing something?
Too, too much for the condition and they are not hard to find. All pre-war northern tenders had "UNION PACIFIC" stamped on the tender. Two people must have really needed it??

Harwood












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Group: S-Trains Message: 59462 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Rare 293 for sale
I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59463 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida VIDEO (Much rail content)
Can anyone identify the steam loco shown in the following video (and the railroad lines shown)?

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/articles/templates/video.xhtml?utm_source=cruiser+email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=ecrmart3&utm_campaign=dec+cruiser+email&articleId=46283

CLICK HERE if the link above doesn't work.

If neither link works, e-mail me for another version of the link.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59464 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Hi Harwood,
� I looked at the Northern shell on ebay.  The lettering American Flyer Lines looks like 1948.  It doesn't look like it has a hole for the Smoke in Tender.  If it did I could see a high price. The lettering would be correct for 1947. Shell is dirty with rust.  Anyone buying that for $283 must have a cause.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 3/1/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:14 PM









































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Group: S-Trains Message: 59465 From: Bob Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Winter, 2010 Issue
Good day to all. I am pleased (and relieved) to report that the Winter, 2010 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is at the printer! I ran into a few glitches that slowed things down a bit, but I'm pleased with the finished product. The preview is available on the magazine Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

There's a lot in this issue! So much so, that I had to move things around and bump a couple of articles to the Spring issue, which is just about filled up (there is room for a couple of ads, however). The Summer issue is also beginning to take shape.

Remember, if your subscription ended with the Fall issue, please renew right away so you don't miss out on a single issue. If you need back issues, many are still available at a great price.

S scale modelers, manufacturers and suppliers: You DO have a choice in S scale magazines!

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 59466 From: Bruce Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Steve,

If this helps, my 2008 Greenberg Guide shows the 293 with the reverse in cab variation valued at $280 in excellent condition.

Bruce



From: boss31@...
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale



I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59467 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida video
The engine is a 4-8-2 Mountain type and the railroad is the Flagler Line's "Overseas Railroad," The Florida East Coast Railway. It was destoyed by a hurricane just one year later in 1936 and the highway took over the surviving bridges and right of way.
The Evans-Superior Motor Coach with rail wheels was tested on a branch of the Michigan Central I think. It didn't catch on, for obvious reasons.
The 1935 Chevy "knee action ride" spoken of was a forerunner of the independent front suspension which became common after WWII. Knee action was weak and hard to keep in alignment but DID lead to better technology.
Stumpy Stone...still shoveling snow in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59468 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: power pack
We at the Badgerland S gaugers are trying to find information pertaining to a large power pack sold years back by Tri-Tec Electronics. We are trying to locate the schematic drawing for a Model 115m also known as a hogger. Can anybody involved with this group help?  We will appreciate any suggestions that we get. Thanks Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59469 From: richs009 Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: AF 755 Talking Station sound file - " Eastbound"
John -- eBay item 190375529790 is for the 755 talking station record, FYI, Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "john" <jffesta2001@...> wrote:
>
> By any chance does someone have a sound file for the AF 755 Talking Station that plays the "Eastbound" announcement ? Today, I got a request to have a sound chip made with this announcement on it. I was told it was on one side of the Gilbert #598 record that came with the station. On the other side was the AF 755 "Westbound" announcement, for which the sound file is available.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59470 From: Dave Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Old Motor Truck Decals
Beginning 03-08-2010 we will be offering decals for OLD TRUCKING LINES for your "S" scale tractor & trailers. We have been given the OFFICIAL go ahead from O.M.T. (Old Motor Trucks) of Zeeland Michigan to offer their line of decals at our web site. These decals will offer a range of companies from the 1930's, 40's, 50's and 60's. We beleive that no other deal company offers such a defenative line of decals for the older truck lines as LBR Enterprises,llc of Goshen, KY and O.M.T. of Zeeland MI.
Dave,

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
dave@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59471 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Why S is the Perfect Gauge
To see why S gauge is the perfect gauge, go to: http://swvalightwriter.smugmug.com/Trains/COHS-Train-Show/11340410_xMQsW#796439195_DchWX

This site also contains about 400 pictures of the joint layout put up by the Tidewater and Carolinas Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers at the recent C&O Historical Society Train Show in Clifton Forge, VA.

Joe
 Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 59472 From: Gerry & Janet Evans Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: GG-1 Sale...Addendum 2
GUYS:
I remember the time, a decade or two ago, when some guy from somewhere in Ohio made a big GG-1 announcement, and money flew toward his pockets. Guys couldn't wait to send checks and money orders. Then, he flew, or, at very least, gestured hypnotically and disappeared into the misty dew never to be seen or heard of again. Then, like more magic, our friend Bashista and Company put out a really nice GG-1, an example of which is humbly herein offered for gracing your layout or shelves, whichever. Okay. I'm heading here toward Filenes's Basement but not offering fat-girl wedding dresses. One more reduction: GG-1 for $165 including shipping to the lower 48. Sweet!
Gerry Evans

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...Addendum
Okay. Okay. Everyone always wants a deal. I'll go ahead and eliminate the $15 shipping so the total price becomes $195 including shipping to the lower 48. This is a $250 engine with Kadee 802s already installed. Hey! Such a deal!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...Addendum
Slight Correction to Offer: Tom Hawley, guru of all-things-S-trains from that wasteland located to the north of Ohio points out that his belief is that only the AC version of the GG1 had sound units. I honestly don't know but defer to his knowledge. The AM instruction sheet makes no differentiation between AC and DC where sound is concerned.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry & Janet Evans
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Pennsy Freak Sale...
For Pennsy Freaks, I have for sale one test-run only American Models' GG1. This DC unit is decked out in flawless Tuscan red with five golden stripes along both sides. Engine #4876. Scale-flanged wheels only. Kadee 802's installed. Directional-reversing lighting. Both track power and pantograph electrical pick-up available. Original yellow and blue AM packaging. Per the instructions that came with the unit, the engine features an "air compressor" sound which runs about every minute and an "air blow off" sound about two times a minute. Volume for both sounds is varied via a screwdriver-adjustable, internally-mounted potentiometer.

Price: $195 + $15 shipping to the lower 48. Off-list offers only; on-list responses will be ignored.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59473 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
I don't use that ridiculous rag. It is so far off that it isn't funny. Even
the Doyle book has it at $450 and that's a dumb book too. Great reference
book but silly on values. I am going to sell it in the $400 to $500 range.
It is quite rare. It has a scarcity rating of 7 in the Doyle book.

Steve


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goatfarm@... writes:





Steve,

If this helps, my 2008 Greenberg Guide shows the 293 with the reverse in
cab variation valued at $280 in excellent condition.

Bruce

From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:28 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition
to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted
with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put
it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at __boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _
(mailto:_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) ) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59474 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
I think at one time Bob said his book had prices about 10% too high. Maybe he might expand more on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59475 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida video
Actually that type of rail bus did catch on in Europe at least and they were in use for a number of years. There are still maintence vehicles around the world using the same principle today. I regularly see a three ton truck of that type in use maintaining rail crossings in our town here in Australia. As to the knee action - it was afflicted with needle roller bearings that were not up to the job and soon wore out. In addition the principle was wrong as thewheels were behind the pivot and tended to cause the vehicle to pitch -as you can see in the film. Easy to get seasick! I had botha British Vauxhall (GM product) and a Britsh Siger 11 fitted with the same suspension. The Chev suspension I believe was not even a GM development but built under licence.
----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:1935 Chevrolet and Florida video



The engine is a 4-8-2 Mountain type and the railroad is the Flagler Line's "Overseas Railroad," The Florida East Coast Railway. It was destoyed by a hurricane just one year later in 1936 and the highway took over the surviving bridges and right of way.
The Evans-Superior Motor Coach with rail wheels was tested on a branch of the Michigan Central I think. It didn't catch on, for obvious reasons.
The 1935 Chevy "knee action ride" spoken of was a forerunner of the independent front suspension which became common after WWII. Knee action was weak and hard to keep in alignment but DID lead to better technology.
Stumpy Stone...still shoveling snow in Appalachia.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 59476 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: 1935 Chevrolet and Florida video
Actually that type of rail bus did catch on in Europe at least and they were in use for a number of years. There are still maintenance vehicles around the world using the same principle today. I regularly see a three ton truck of that type in use maintaining rail crossings in our town here in Australia. As to the knee action - it was afflicted with needle roller bearings that were not up to the job and soon wore out. In addition the principle was wrong as the wheels were behind the pivot and tended to cause the vehicle to pitch -as you can see in the film. Easy to get seasick! I had both a British Vauxhall (GM product) and a British Singer 11 fitted with the same suspension. The Chev suspension I believe was not even a GM development but built under licence to a French patent. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:1935 Chevrolet and Florida video



The engine is a 4-8-2 Mountain type and the railroad is the Flagler Line's "Overseas Railroad," The Florida East Coast Railway. It was destoyed by a hurricane just one year later in 1936 and the highway took over the surviving bridges and right of way.
The Evans-Superior Motor Coach with rail wheels was tested on a branch of the Michigan Central I think. It didn't catch on, for obvious reasons.
The 1935 Chevy "knee action ride" spoken of was a forerunner of the independent front suspension which became common after WWII. Knee action was weak and hard to keep in alignment but DID lead to better technology.
Stumpy Stone...still shoveling snow in Appalachia.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 59477 From: preardon4girls Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: S-Helper Smoke
I've experimented with, I think, every brand of smoke fluid made and I have settled on MTH Protosmoke for my older AF steamers. I've recently acquired an S-Helper 2-8-0, setup for AC operation w/ Locomatic control. I've tried the fluid that was packaged with the engine from S-helper, and I'm fairly under impressed with the smoke output. Does anyone have experience with fluid for this particular engine?

Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59478 From: Bruce Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
That "ridiculous rag" has been around a heck of a lot longer than Tom McComas's price guide. I guess it's ridiculous because it counters your need to get top dollar, using a price guide four years older.

Hey, I was just trying to help. If you think you have a gold mine, by all means, get your price (if you can). But don't expect a knowledgeable collector to bite.

Bruce



From: boss31@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale



I don't use that ridiculous rag. It is so far off that it isn't funny. Even
the Doyle book has it at $450 and that's a dumb book too. Great reference
book but silly on values. I am going to sell it in the $400 to $500 range.
It is quite rare. It has a scarcity rating of 7 in the Doyle book.

Steve


In a message dated 03/02/2010 4:54:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
goatfarm@... writes:

Steve,

If this helps, my 2008 Greenberg Guide shows the 293 with the reverse in
cab variation valued at $280 in excellent condition.

Bruce

From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:28 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition
to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted
with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put
it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at __boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _
(mailto:_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) ) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59479 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: I need help finding walking tread with a see thru rectangle shape
There that is a simple request.
Thanks in advance.
Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 59480 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Don't forget with US enthusiasts the number and cosmetics is all - mechanical or electrical differences mean almost squat diddeley! Its all faddy anyway, a 1946 Atlantic with indented tender is infinately scarcer than your 293 but try getting more than 70 bucks for one! Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale




That "ridiculous rag" has been around a heck of a lot longer than Tom McComas's price guide. I guess it's ridiculous because it counters your need to get top dollar, using a price guide four years older.

Hey, I was just trying to help. If you think you have a gold mine, by all means, get your price (if you can). But don't expect a knowledgeable collector to bite.

Bruce

From: boss31@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I don't use that ridiculous rag. It is so far off that it isn't funny. Even
the Doyle book has it at $450 and that's a dumb book too. Great reference
book but silly on values. I am going to sell it in the $400 to $500 range.
It is quite rare. It has a scarcity rating of 7 in the Doyle book.

Steve

In a message dated 03/02/2010 4:54:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
goatfarm@... writes:

Steve,

If this helps, my 2008 Greenberg Guide shows the 293 with the reverse in
cab variation valued at $280 in excellent condition.

Bruce

From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:28 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition
to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted
with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put
it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at __boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _
(mailto:_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) ) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59481 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Helper smoke
My SHS 2-8-0 wasn't a great smoke belcher either, but worked pretty well on Anormal 1, Suethe, or Smoken fluid. Few of today's steamers (other than fan type units) can surpass the volume of smoke of the old Flyer locos. Having all the different smoke fluids at the shop to try, I eventually liked Anormal 1 the best for use in old Flyer locos, and it does very well in the modern locos too.
I am surprised that MTH Proto Smoke worked well in anything but MTH. Our experience at the hobby shop was that the Proto formula worked best fan driven smoke units, but not as well for element types.
Stumpy Stone...all smoked up in Appalachia where the snow is finally beginning to melt!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59482 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
I don't have any "need" for top dollar. I just need to pare down my
collection before My wife has to tend to it upon my death. There was no need for
your snottiness. None of the Dealers I know have any faith in the Greenberg
book. How many of these 293s have you seen? I've been doing flyer for all
my life (71 yrs) and this is the only one I have ever seen. Just because
it says 293 which is a common number doesn't mean this one isn't rare and
worth $$. In addition this is the only "New Haven" name to have a sound unit
in the tender.
Steve


In a message dated 03/03/2010 4:53:07 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
alizoo@... writes:




Don't forget with US enthusiasts the number and cosmetics is all -
mechanical or electrical differences mean almost squat diddeley! Its all faddy
anyway, a 1946 Atlantic with indented tender is infinately scarcer than your
293 but try getting more than 70 bucks for one! Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

That "ridiculous rag" has been around a heck of a lot longer than Tom
McComas's price guide. I guess it's ridiculous because it counters your need to
get top dollar, using a price guide four years older.

Hey, I was just trying to help. If you think you have a gold mine, by all
means, get your price (if you can). But don't expect a knowledgeable
collector to bite.

Bruce

From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:10 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I don't use that ridiculous rag. It is so far off that it isn't funny.
Even
the Doyle book has it at $450 and that's a dumb book too. Great reference
book but silly on values. I am going to sell it in the $400 to $500 range.
It is quite rare. It has a scarcity rating of 7 in the Doyle book.

Steve

In a message dated 03/02/2010 4:54:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) writes:

Steve,

If this helps, my 2008 Greenberg Guide shows the 293 with the reverse in
cab variation valued at $280 in excellent condition.

Bruce

From: __boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _ (mailto:_boss31@..._
(mailto:boss31@...) )
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:28 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition
to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted
with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put
it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at __boss31@...? Conta__boss31@aol._bo_
(mailto:_boss31@...) ) _
(mailto:__boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _
(mailto:_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) ) ) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59483 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale
I meant to say the only 293 with sound unit, not "New Haven" as the 295
had one in 1951 and the 21099 later.

Steve


I don't have any "need" for top dollar. I just need to pare down my
collection before My wife has to tend to it upon my death. There was no need for
your snottiness. None of the Dealers I know have any faith in the Greenberg
book. How many of these 293s have you seen? I've been doing flyer for all
my life (71 yrs) and this is the only one I have ever seen. Just because
it says 293 which is a common number doesn't mean this one isn't rare and
worth $$. In addition this is the only "New Haven" name to have a sound unit
in the tender.
Steve







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59484 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper Smoke
Try mine. Send your name & address & I'll send you a bottle. If you don't
like it send me $0. If you do send $13 that includes Shipping. Mike
_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...)


In a message dated 3/2/2010 10:01:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
preardon4girls@... writes:




I've experimented with, I think, every brand of smoke fluid made and I have
settled on MTH Protosmoke for my older AF steamers. I've recently acquired
an S-Helper 2-8-0, setup for AC operation w/ Locomatic control. I've tried
the fluid that was packaged with the engine from S-helper, and I'm fairly
under impressed with the smoke output. Does anyone have experience with
fluid for this particular engine?

Pat, in Maine





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59485 From: george leidinger Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper Smoke
Try Mega Smoke

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From: preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Smoke
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 11:19 PM


 



I've experimented with, I think, every brand of smoke fluid made and I have settled on MTH Protosmoke for my older AF steamers. I've recently acquired an S-Helper 2-8-0, setup for AC operation w/ Locomatic control. I've tried the fluid that was packaged with the engine from S-helper, and I'm fairly under impressed with the smoke output. Does anyone have experience with fluid for this particular engine?

Pat, in Maine











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59486 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
Hey, Steve, I hope you are okay!

Who else can I send my DCC blow ups to?

I still have one more action car that has not been converted yet.

just kidding, I hope you are well over all.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale



I don't have any "need" for top dollar. I just need to pare down my
collection before My wife has to tend to it upon my death. There was no need for
your snottiness. None of the Dealers I know have any faith in the Greenberg
book. How many of these 293s have you seen? I've been doing flyer for all
my life (71 yrs) and this is the only one I have ever seen. Just because
it says 293 which is a common number doesn't mean this one isn't rare and
worth $$. In addition this is the only "New Haven" name to have a sound unit
in the tender.
Steve


In a message dated 03/03/2010 4:53:07 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
alizoo@... writes:

Don't forget with US enthusiasts the number and cosmetics is all -
mechanical or electrical differences mean almost squat diddeley! Its all faddy
anyway, a 1946 Atlantic with indented tender is infinately scarcer than your
293 but try getting more than 70 bucks for one! Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

That "ridiculous rag" has been around a heck of a lot longer than Tom
McComas's price guide. I guess it's ridiculous because it counters your need to
get top dollar, using a price guide four years older.

Hey, I was just trying to help. If you think you have a gold mine, by all
means, get your price (if you can). But don't expect a knowledgeable
collector to bite.

Bruce

From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:10 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I don't use that ridiculous rag. It is so far off that it isn't funny.
Even
the Doyle book has it at $450 and that's a dumb book too. Great reference
book but silly on values. I am going to sell it in the $400 to $500 range.
It is quite rare. It has a scarcity rating of 7 in the Doyle book.

Steve

In a message dated 03/02/2010 4:54:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) writes:

Steve,

If this helps, my 2008 Greenberg Guide shows the 293 with the reverse in
cab variation valued at $280 in excellent condition.

Bruce

From: __boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _ (mailto:_boss31@..._
(mailto:boss31@...) )
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:28 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition
to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted
with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put
it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at __boss31@...? Conta__boss31@aol._bo_
(mailto:_boss31@...) ) _
(mailto:__boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _
(mailto:_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) ) ) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59487 From: Bruce Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
A good majority of us in the hobby have been around awhile as well. I've been involved with Flyer since the 50's. There aren't that many of us that are spring chickens here.

I don't want to get in a pissing contest with you, but my "snottiness" was a direct reply to your response to my original attempt to try to be of help to you. Go back and read your response to my original email. No "thank you" was offered. Instead, you came on strong by putting me and a good majority of others down for using Greenberg guides by calling it a "ridiculous rag" and comparing it to the Doyle book as "another dumb book". So, how would you expect me to respond to you? Calling my response "snotty" is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say?

By the way, if you think the Doyle book is a "dumb book", how come you put so much stock in their rarity rating? I guess when the results suit your purpose, the book is no longer quite so dumb.

Bruce







From: boss31@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:13 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale



I don't have any "need" for top dollar. I just need to pare down my
collection before My wife has to tend to it upon my death. There was no need for
your snottiness. None of the Dealers I know have any faith in the Greenberg
book. How many of these 293s have you seen? I've been doing flyer for all
my life (71 yrs) and this is the only one I have ever seen. Just because
it says 293 which is a common number doesn't mean this one isn't rare and
worth $$. In addition this is the only "New Haven" name to have a sound unit
in the tender.
Steve


In a message dated 03/03/2010 4:53:07 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
alizoo@... writes:

Don't forget with US enthusiasts the number and cosmetics is all -
mechanical or electrical differences mean almost squat diddeley! Its all faddy
anyway, a 1946 Atlantic with indented tender is infinately scarcer than your
293 but try getting more than 70 bucks for one! Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

That "ridiculous rag" has been around a heck of a lot longer than Tom
McComas's price guide. I guess it's ridiculous because it counters your need to
get top dollar, using a price guide four years older.

Hey, I was just trying to help. If you think you have a gold mine, by all
means, get your price (if you can). But don't expect a knowledgeable
collector to bite.

Bruce

From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:10 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I don't use that ridiculous rag. It is so far off that it isn't funny.
Even
the Doyle book has it at $450 and that's a dumb book too. Great reference
book but silly on values. I am going to sell it in the $400 to $500 range.
It is quite rare. It has a scarcity rating of 7 in the Doyle book.

Steve

In a message dated 03/02/2010 4:54:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) writes:

Steve,

If this helps, my 2008 Greenberg Guide shows the 293 with the reverse in
cab variation valued at $280 in excellent condition.

Bruce

From: __boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _ (mailto:_boss31@..._
(mailto:boss31@...) )
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:28 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale

I have a rare version of the 293 for sale. During the 1957/58 transition
to
5 digit
numbers, Gilbert also changed to the two position reverse units. This loco
was
sold as a 21099 which had the 2 step reverse unit but it was outfitted
with
a
leftover 293 boiler. Likewise there were some 21099 locos that made it to
the public
with leftover 4 step reverse units. This is an absolutely genuine 293 with
two step
reverse unit on back of the motor. It is in Ex condition and totally
original.
The only detriment is some paint loss on the white handrails.
If anyone out there is interested please contact me off list. I will put
it
on ebay
Friday if no response here. My 2004 TM guide book lists this at $650.
That's
the last guide book I have, but I'm not locked onto that price by a long
shot.
Interested? Contact me at __boss31@...? Conta__boss31@aol._bo_
(mailto:_boss31@...) ) _
(mailto:__boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _
(mailto:_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) ) ) or
phone 208-376-1159

Steve in Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59488 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: AF Sawmill
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/415502181/pic/list

I purchased this very nice original AF sawmill back in the early 90's from a very well known seller of AF.

I notice later that the saw dust is on the platform in reverse, as you always see the saw dust pointed the other way. The dust will not fit turned the correct way, as the holes in the platform at drilled so it wont.

Has anyone every seen a saw mill like this before?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59489 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: 293 sound unit
Did those three engines all use the #708 Air Chime Whistle Control Unit or #710/#26739 Steam Whistle Control Unit?


--- On Wed, 3/3/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Rare 293 for sale
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:25 AM







 









I meant to say the only 293 with sound unit, not "New Haven" as the 295

had one in 1951 and the 21099 later.



Steve























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59490 From: Steven Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: S Scale people??
Ok I am wondering what and where to get for people in S Scale.
I have tried to order some and both times after some "back order" was told ... this item has been discontinued.

So anyone have a good place for people and possibly more modern cars, truck, and other such items???

Thanks

PS My train room only needs base molding and carpet and it's done and ready for bench work!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59491 From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: AFP Products
Does anyone know about a company named AFP Products in Michigan and how to contact them?

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 59492 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Hi Steven --

For information of all kinds S, go to www.trainweb.org/crocon/sscale.html .
You will find a section on buildings and figures that has links to most of
the manufacturers. You can spend hours going through the whole site and
its links.

Have fun!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

Ok I am wondering what and where to get for people in S Scale.
So anyone have a good place for people and possibly more modern cars, truck,
and other such items???

Steven
Group: S-Trains Message: 59493 From: The Reardon's Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Hi Steven,

Search "Arttista" on the web. (Make sure to spell exactly as I have). I've been very happy with their products.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: Steven
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale people??



Ok I am wondering what and where to get for people in S Scale.
I have tried to order some and both times after some "back order" was told ... this item has been discontinued.

So anyone have a good place for people and possibly more modern cars, truck, and other such items???

Thanks

PS My train room only needs base molding and carpet and it's done and ready for bench work!





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59494 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AFP Products
Steve,

This info is from an old, old, old, old, business card no guarantee info
is still good:

Gregory R. Kreft
313- 247-8714

Daryl





On 3/3/2010 11:56 AM, newtoaf@... wrote:
>
> Does anyone know about a company named AFP Products in Michigan and
> how to contact them?
>
> Steve
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59495 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Hi Steven,

Take a look at MTH Railking people. Many of them are perfect fro S-Scale
use. They make them undersized to fit the O-27 accessories and they come
out just right for us. A bag of unpainted people (30-11043) contains 120
of them and costs only $30.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale people??

Ok I am wondering what and where to get for people in S Scale.
I have tried to order some and both times after some "back order" was
told ... this item has been discontinued.

So anyone have a good place for people and possibly more modern cars,
truck, and other such items???

Thanks

PS My train room only needs base molding and carpet and it's done and
ready for bench work!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59496 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Parts questions
1st question,
What are we using these days as a replacement for the string used on the 944 crane? I have looked high and low. Did find a black 80 lb. test fishing line that was the right diameter, But I don't need 500 feet @35.00. I know I've seen it some place but don't remember where. None in craft of sewing stores that I could find.

Harwood




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59497 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: ASHVILLE TRAIN SHOW
I am going Friday am to Perry ga to the small YORK of model airplane meets at the fairgrounds!!!!!!!!! There is a small chance I might pass thru Ashville on Sat or Sun.... Anybody still have the meet flyer? Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59498 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
--- On Wed, 3/3/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:
Hi Harwood,
� I sell 50 Lb Braided Nylon-Black.  Tough to find green  Email  me your address your address off site. seccia@....  I'll send you five feet.  Let me know how it works for you.
� Tom Seccia
From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 7:26 PM







 













1st question,

What are we using these days as a replacement for the string used on the 944 crane? I have looked high and low. Did find a black 80 lb. test fishing line that was the right diameter, But I don't need 500 feet @35.00. I know I've seen it some place but don't remember where. None in craft of sewing stores that I could find.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59499 From: afjerryk5 Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: S scale people
For cars,look for M2 Machines.They're available at Wal-Mart and Toys R Us,probably elsewhere.nice selection of 50s thru 70s cars.Cost about $5 each.Considering what some 1/43 vehicles cost,we have it lucky in S scale.Google M2 Machines or Castline for their website.
Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 59500 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Mike,

I guess someone was day dreaming at the factory?????

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/415502181/pic/list
>
> I purchased this very nice original AF sawmill back in the early 90's from a very well known seller of AF.
>
> I notice later that the saw dust is on the platform in reverse, as you always see the saw dust pointed the other way. The dust will not fit turned the correct way, as the holes in the platform at drilled so it wont.
>
> Has anyone every seen a saw mill like this before?
>
> Mike
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59501 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Hi Steven,
� Try "S:cenery Unlimited 7236 W. Madison St. Forest Park, IL  60130. Phone Number 708 366-7763 web site www.heimburgerhouse.com.  They have the largest selection of  figure, vehicle and buildings in "S" Scale.  You should also try Port Line Hobbies - Doug Peck 978-465-8798 web sire www.portlines.com.  He has a good selections of buildings, vehicles and other "S" scale items as well.
Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Steven <stryker_rulz07@...> wrote:

From: Steven <stryker_rulz07@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale people??
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 6:05 PM







 









Ok I am wondering what and where to get for people in S Scale.

I have tried to order some and both times after some "back order" was told ... this item has been discontinued.



So anyone have a good place for people and possibly more modern cars, truck, and other such items???



Thanks



PS My train room only needs base molding and carpet and it's done and ready for bench work!

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59502 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AFP Products
Hi Steve,
They are almost impossible to get by phone.  I handle their parts line.  Please contact me off line and I'll give your their contact information.  I may be able to help you with the parts you need.  Please email seccia@...
Tom Seccia
Triple "S" Supplies
 

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, newtoaf@... <newtoaf@...> wrote:

From: newtoaf@... <newtoaf@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AFP Products
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:56 AM







 









Does anyone know about a company named AFP Products in Michigan and how to contact them?



Steve

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59503 From: michael prell Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Try Doug Peck. I bought some to re-string a saw mill. Worked fine.
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:


From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 7:26 PM


 





1st question,
What are we using these days as a replacement for the string used on the 944 crane? I have looked high and low. Did find a black 80 lb. test fishing line that was the right diameter, But I don't need 500 feet @35.00. I know I've seen it some place but don't remember where. None in craft of sewing stores that I could find.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59504 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AFP Products
Hi Daryl,
You will no longer be able to contact Greg Kreft.  As you said that is an old, old, old number.  All my rivets, red smokestacks, fingers etc come from AFP.  If anyone needs anything from them please contact me seccia@...
� Tom Seccia


--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> wrote:

From: Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AFP Products
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 7:03 PM







 









Steve,



This info is from an old, old, old, old, business card no guarantee info

is still good:



Gregory R. Kreft

313- 247-8714



Daryl



On 3/3/2010 11:56 AM, newtoaf@rocketmail. com wrote:

>

> Does anyone know about a company named AFP Products in Michigan and

> how to contact them?

>

> Steve

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59505 From: pkrae Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Perhaps this sawmill has not been active for the last 50 years and what you are seeing is an alien ant hill ready to attack the world by first devouring Cincinnati?
 
john jones
 
<>
 


--- On Wed, 3/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Sawmill
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 6:05 PM


 



http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 415502181/ pic/list

I purchased this very nice original AF sawmill back in the early 90's from a very well known seller of AF.

I notice later that the saw dust is on the platform in reverse, as you always see the saw dust pointed the other way. The dust will not fit turned the correct way, as the holes in the platform at drilled so it wont.

Has anyone every seen a saw mill like this before?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59506 From: michael prell Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Turn Table
While looking through the many excellent photos of the COHS Train Show recently posted under the name Frederick Hogrefe, I was very much taken by the s-gauge turn table featured. My question is, how would one go about getting plans to build one of these little beauties? I'm assuming that it was hand crafted. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Mike-Watching the S-now melt in S-yracuse-Prell


 
Break out the Katana's, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59507 From: Bruce Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Mike,

Possibly a repro saw dust pile that was incorrectly done?

Bruce



From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:05 PM
To: S trains ; Ralph Loveless
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Sawmill



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/415502181/pic/list

I purchased this very nice original AF sawmill back in the early 90's from a very well known seller of AF.

I notice later that the saw dust is on the platform in reverse, as you always see the saw dust pointed the other way. The dust will not fit turned the correct way, as the holes in the platform at drilled so it wont.

Has anyone every seen a saw mill like this before?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59508 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Hi Harwood --

Not being an AF guy, I can't give you a correct AF answer, but I have found
the string used by the model car people to make their cars "jump" is good
for such things. I think "Hoppin' Hydros" is the brand I have -- comes in
a roll of more than you will ever need for about $5. I don't know the
tensile strength, but it is at least 20 pounds and the stuff is very
abrasion resistant. If you have a good general hobby shop, or at least one
that sell plastic models of cars, they should be able to help you.

Have fun!
Bill Winans

What are we using these days as a replacement for the string used on the 944
crane?
Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 59509 From: linkuphost Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hello...

Was able to get access to a part of the collection to take some pictures. The link is here:

http://www.photographevents.biz/Collections

There is an option to view up to a XXXlarge version of the pictures, allowing you to zoom in for more detail.

The first pictures are of the train table. Basically a table that starts out as a ping pong table, then folds open to turn into a double ping pong table size train table. The first thing I would like is a rough, estimated value of the total contents of the table, excluding the rolling stock. Am guessing it is a mix of AF and non-AF. If there are any items of particular interest on the table, please let me know.

Next are sets of trains on the wall...various rows of trains and cars on two walls.

Then there are some misc boxes, etc. I noticed on an adjacent shelf.

Then some collector cards he acquired, mainly about 30+ years ago.

There is also a storage space containing more AF merch...we just don't know what.

Some of you have written me personally with a lot of tips, help, and offers.

I know it will be difficult from the photos to see what all is there, but I do feel it is a pretty good sized collection, i.e. I assume fairly complete representation of most trains made? Maybe there is a lot more I don't know about? I don't know there are some hand made cars. I think the snow plow and a box car were made from kits. Things he couldn't find made by AF.

If you were going to take a third or fourth of the trains and accessories you see, what would you take?

Thanks,

Lew
Group: S-Trains Message: 59510 From: race944t Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: ASHVILLE TRAIN SHOW
Attached is the link to the meet. I'll be there and the Piedmont "S" Gaugers will set up. The meet is Friday noon until 7 pm and Saturday 9 am - 4 pm.

http://asheville-trainshow.com/

http://asheville-trainshow.com/images/train_showFflyer.pdf

If you show up on Sunday you'll be too late!

"Banker" Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> I am going Friday am to Perry ga to the small YORK of model airplane meets at the fairgrounds!!!!!!!!! There is a small chance I might pass thru Ashville on Sat or Sun.... Anybody still have the meet flyer? Bob
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59511 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
Hee Hee, yes, so I have a rare variation worth millions. LOL

They did not get their AC Gilbert milk at the cafeteria that day.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Sawmill



Mike,

I guess someone was day dreaming at the factory?????

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/415502181/pic/list
>
> I purchased this very nice original AF sawmill back in the early 90's from a very well known seller of AF.
>
> I notice later that the saw dust is on the platform in reverse, as you always see the saw dust pointed the other way. The dust will not fit turned the correct way, as the holes in the platform at drilled so it wont.
>
> Has anyone every seen a saw mill like this before?
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59512 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Anyone tried an old record turn table? they are balanced nicely & the
bearings should be great. Just a little messing with the motor, etc. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 3/3/2010 7:09:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlprell@... writes:




While looking through the many excellent photos of the COHS Train Show
recently posted under the name Frederick Hogrefe, I was very much taken by the
s-gauge turn table featured. My question is, how would one go about getting
plans to build one of these little beauties? I'm assuming that it was hand
crafted. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Mike-Watching the S-now melt in S-yracuse-Prell


Break out the Katana's, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59513 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: 293 sound unit
They were all Air Chime.
Steve


In a message dated 03/03/2010 4:23:30 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:




Did those three engines all use the #708 Air Chime Whistle Control Unit or
#710/#26739 Steam Whistle Control Unit?



.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59514 From: race944t Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Mike:
I'll contact the owner, who I think is on this list, and get him to contact you. It was a great show. You can also go to the Atlantic Coast S Gauge site for Carolinas and Tidewater Divisions and see some other pictures and video.

http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/CD/CD_shows1.html

http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/TD/TD_shows1.html

"Banker" Bill Clark also watching the S-now melt in S-outhwest Va.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:
>
> While looking through the many excellent photos of the COHS Train Show recently posted under the name Frederick Hogrefe, I was very much taken by the s-gauge turn table featured. My question is, how would one go about getting plans to build one of these little beauties? I'm assuming that it was hand crafted. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> Mike-Watching the S-now melt in S-yracuse-Prell
>

>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59515 From: David Dewey Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Steve's 293
HI Steve and all,
I'm going to head this discussion in another direction, and since I think others might be curious too, am posting this to the group and not directly to Steve.
293 with sound! Veeery interstink! Since it has the reverse on motor; is this the later two step, or that odd 4 step unit, as on the 346?
Also, assuming it's the two step; is it also a two-piece drawbar and the two pin plug in the coal door area? And die cast trailing truck or just wheels?
Because it has the sound uint, does it also have the tender trucks with the slider contacts?
Inquiring minds like to know!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59516 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
You can probably use radio dial cord. Strong, flexible, etc.
I found it on the internet available from:

http://www.radioantiques.com/supplies.html

25 feet for $3.25. I have no connection or experience with this vendor.

Jerry Feldman
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:27 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts questions





1st question,
What are we using these days as a replacement for the string used on the
944 crane? I have looked high and low. Did find a black 80 lb. test fishing
line that was the right diameter, But I don't need 500 feet @35.00. I know
I've seen it some place but don't remember where. None in craft of sewing
stores that I could find.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59517 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293 for sale
I would expect you not to respond at all, but to allow me to have my
opinion.


In a message dated 03/03/2010 4:14:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
goatfarm@... writes:

So, how would you expect me to respond to you?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59518 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF Sawmill
no, it is original as the holes are drilled in the base that will only allow it be on backwards.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Sawmill




Mike,

Possibly a repro saw dust pile that was incorrectly done?

Bruce

From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:05 PM
To: S trains ; Ralph Loveless
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Sawmill

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/415502181/pic/list

I purchased this very nice original AF sawmill back in the early 90's from a very well known seller of AF.

I notice later that the saw dust is on the platform in reverse, as you always see the saw dust pointed the other way. The dust will not fit turned the correct way, as the holes in the platform at drilled so it wont.

Has anyone every seen a saw mill like this before?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59519 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Steve's 293
David,
Yes to all the questions except no on the 4 position ala 0-8-0. It has the
die cast trailing truck.


In a message dated 03/04/2010 4:50:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
djdewey@... writes:




HI Steve and all,
I'm going to head this discussion in another direction, and since I think
others might be curious too, am posting this to the group and not directly
to Steve.
293 with sound! Veeery interstink! Since it has the reverse on motor; is
this the later two step, or that odd 4 step unit, as on the 346?
Also, assuming it's the two step; is it also a two-piece drawbar and the
two pin plug in the coal door area? And die cast trailing truck or just
wheels?
Because it has the sound uint, does it also have the tender trucks with
the slider contacts?
Inquiring minds like to know!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59520 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Popular Science scans all issues
And makes them available online.

Searching for American Flyer, check out

http://www.popsci.com/results?query=american+flyer

ads, stories, details.

Carey
--



Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...



A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59521 From: Lew Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hello...

Was able to get access to a part of the collection to take some
pictures. The link is here:

http://www.photographevents.biz/Collections

There is an option to view up to a XXXlarge version of the pictures,
allowing you to zoom in for more detail.

The first pictures are of the train table. Basically a table that
starts out as a ping pong table, the folds open to turn into a double
ping pong table size train table. The first thing I would like is a
rough, estimated value of the total contents of the table, excluding the
rolling stock. Am guessing it is a mix of AF and non-AF. If there are
any items of particular interest on the table, please let me know.

Next are sets of trains on the wall...various rows of trains and cars on
two walls.

Then there are some misc boxes, etc. I noticed on an adjacent shelf.

Then some collector cards he acquired, mainly about 30+ years ago.

There is also a storage space containing more AF merch...we just don't
know what.

Some of you have written me personally with a lot of tips, help, and offers.

I know it will be difficult from the photos to see what all is there,
but I do feel it is a pretty good sized collection, i.e. I assume fairly
complete representation of most trains made? Maybe there is a lot more
I don't know about? I don't know there are some hand made cars. I
think the snow plow and a box car were made from kits. Things he
couldn't find made by AF.

If you were going to take a third or fourth of the trains and
accessories you see, what would you take?

Thanks,

Lew





On 3/1/2010 2:16 PM, Lew wrote:
>
> Later this week I will have access to the American Flyer collection in
> an estate. It is my understanding that it is a complete set of all
> train and accessory models and includes some other S gauge accessories
> and cars.
>
> Would like to put together a list of the most valuable and harder to
> find items to try and get. If some members here could put together
> their top ten list or something like that, it would help me determine
> which parts of the AF collection I should try and get.
>
> Any help with a list of most desireable AF items would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> _,___




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59522 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Steve's 293
And, Steve, if you can answer those questions to the group and send me some pictures in each of those areas, I'll put it all in TheGilbertGallery.org for posterity.

Thanks.


--- On Wed, 3/3/10, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote:

From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Steve's 293
To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:59 PM







 









HI Steve and all,

I'm going to head this discussion in another direction, and since I think others might be curious too, am posting this to the group and not directly to Steve.

293 with sound! Veeery interstink! Since it has the reverse on motor; is this the later two step, or that odd 4 step unit, as on the 346?

Also, assuming it's the two step; is it also a two-piece drawbar and the two pin plug in the coal door area? And die cast trailing truck or just wheels?

Because it has the sound uint, does it also have the tender trucks with the slider contacts?

Inquiring minds like to know!

S'

David D.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59523 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
The first question each family member has to ask himself is what his objective is: maximum value so you can sell it and get the money, or to get a nice train set your family can operate and enjoy, or add to an existing collection, or something you can donate to a train club.  The answer to that question dictates what items you choose to take.

It would, of course, take quite a while to look through all the pictures and place a reasonable total value on the collection.  And many of the pictures don't clearly show the numbers on the items; without that, we can't tell which version it is: some later models look the same as an earlier one but are much more rare and valuable because fewer were made.  For example, I was excited to see the Deep Rock tank car, but it's the more common version; a nice car to have, but not the rare one.

Clearly, the order of magnitude is tens of thousands of dollars, not hundreds of thousands, and not merely thousands.  But I wouldn't want to go much beyond that statement without more information and time.

An immediate emotional reaction is that the train layout is pretty cool!  I'd hate to see that taken apart and pieced out.  A family member who wants a train to run would get a lot of pleasure out of that for many years.  Keep it together if you can.

After a quick scan through the pictures, I don't see anything of extraordinary value.  There are some very nice pieces that I'd love to have in my collection, but they're worth hundreds, not thousands, of dollars.

There are, as you guessed, a lot of items that are not standard Flyer.  The red striped Santa Fe streamliner set, for example is a custom painted 66x set that someone painted red; it's not one of Gilbert's sets.  And I can't see a number on two of the engines.  The third, the 21927, was sold alone; it did not have the other two engine units with it.  It's worth somewhere between $150 and $200.  So that train was pieced together.  Overall, that train would probably sell on ebay for $300 to $400.  If it runs well, it would be great for someone who wants a train to play with, but no collector would clamor for it.


--- On Wed, 3/3/10, linkuphost <lew@...> wrote:

From: linkuphost <lew@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:15 PM







 









Hello...



Was able to get access to a part of the collection to take some pictures. The link is here:



http://www.photogra phevents. biz/Collections



There is an option to view up to a XXXlarge version of the pictures, allowing you to zoom in for more detail.



The first pictures are of the train table. Basically a table that starts out as a ping pong table, then folds open to turn into a double ping pong table size train table. The first thing I would like is a rough, estimated value of the total contents of the table, excluding the rolling stock. Am guessing it is a mix of AF and non-AF. If there are any items of particular interest on the table, please let me know.



Next are sets of trains on the wall...various rows of trains and cars on two walls.



Then there are some misc boxes, etc. I noticed on an adjacent shelf.



Then some collector cards he acquired, mainly about 30+ years ago.



There is also a storage space containing more AF merch...we just don't know what.



Some of you have written me personally with a lot of tips, help, and offers.



I know it will be difficult from the photos to see what all is there, but I do feel it is a pretty good sized collection, i.e. I assume fairly complete representation of most trains made? Maybe there is a lot more I don't know about? I don't know there are some hand made cars. I think the snow plow and a box car were made from kits. Things he couldn't find made by AF.



If you were going to take a third or fourth of the trains and accessories you see, what would you take?



Thanks,



Lew

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59524 From: Lew Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
With some help, we have begun to go through the attic. So far we have
found about a dozen boxes full of AF cars, track, switches, etc. We
still aren't done with the attic and haven't taken time to go through
everything.

My youngest brother for some reason knew the family AF story. My
father's sister, my Aunt Frieda worked at a Five and Dime store in the
neighborhood my mother grew up in. When my father was paying a visit
around Christmas time, he stopped by her store and saw the Frontier
trains set. He told her if it didn't sell over the holidays he would
buy it. He did, and that was the beginning of his AF collection. It
might have been 1954. Someone who knows when that set was put out might
be able to confirm that date.

Thanks,

Lew
Group: S-Trains Message: 59525 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: 293 sound unit
Isn't the wiring in the engine the same regardless of which control unit
is used? If so, wouldn't either control unit work and give it the
sound of that unit?

Dale

boss31@... wrote:
>
>
> They were all Air Chime.
> Steve
>
>
> In a message dated 03/03/2010 4:23:30 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> theupstairstrain@... <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Did those three engines all use the #708 Air Chime Whistle Control
> Unit or
> #710/#26739 Steam Whistle Control Unit?
>
> .
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59526 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Hi Dave.  Remember me?  I purchased your latest A&P refrigerator boxcar.  Looks real nice.  As you know I like anything that has to do with the NH railroad.  Also, take a look at my new website, www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  Have a great day.

Bob




________________________________
From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 11:27:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer

 
We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company) refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 2099290812/ pic/1545814340/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59527 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hi Lew,
From the pictures that you took I can see a few desirable items. There looks to be a 24416 NW Reefer, 21005 Switcher, Washington set, a five digit NH electric, SF pass. set, Rocket set and the NP passenger set. But without getting a closer look and having a list, it's kind of hard to see what else there is that would also be in the hi dollar range.

Harwood
















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Group: S-Trains Message: 59528 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/4/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Is it dark green?
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parts questions




Hi Harwood --

Not being an AF guy, I can't give you a correct AF answer, but I have found
the string used by the model car people to make their cars "jump" is good
for such things. I think "Hoppin' Hydros" is the brand I have -- comes in
a roll of more than you will ever need for about $5. I don't know the
tensile strength, but it is at least 20 pounds and the stuff is very
abrasion resistant. If you have a good general hobby shop, or at least one
that sell plastic models of cars, they should be able to help you.

Have fun!
Bill Winans

What are we using these days as a replacement for the string used on the 944
crane?
Harwood







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59529 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Hi Harwood,
� What I have is black.  It took me a while to find this.  This would be P-289 50 Lb Test Line Braided Nylon same as Gilbert except black.  The other fish line Gilbert used was PA11295 that was 20 Lb. Both of these used by Gilbert were green.  I have found Gilbert factory enveopes with PA11295 that appeared to be 50 lb test.  If I get the grreen made I'll have it forever.  String is not a good substitute. The fibers are too loose.
Tom Seccia


--- On Thu, 3/4/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 6:58 PM







 











Is it dark green?

Harwood



-----Original Message-----

From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@cableone .net>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 10:14 pm

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parts questions



Hi Harwood --



Not being an AF guy, I can't give you a correct AF answer, but I have found

the string used by the model car people to make their cars "jump" is good

for such things. I think "Hoppin' Hydros" is the brand I have -- comes in

a roll of more than you will ever need for about $5. I don't know the

tensile strength, but it is at least 20 pounds and the stuff is very

abrasion resistant. If you have a good general hobby shop, or at least one

that sell plastic models of cars, they should be able to help you.



Have fun!

Bill Winans



What are we using these days as a replacement for the string used on the 944

crane?

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59530 From: Bruce Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Lew,

The first Frontiersman sets came out in '59 and again in '60. The sets included the Franklin engine with passenger cars (247)20, (247)20, (247)30 and a Washington engine which included a flat car with cannon, a box car and a passenger car. I can go into greater detail if you like.

Hope this helps.

Bruce



From: Lew
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection



With some help, we have begun to go through the attic. So far we have
found about a dozen boxes full of AF cars, track, switches, etc. We
still aren't done with the attic and haven't taken time to go through
everything.

My youngest brother for some reason knew the family AF story. My
father's sister, my Aunt Frieda worked at a Five and Dime store in the
neighborhood my mother grew up in. When my father was paying a visit
around Christmas time, he stopped by her store and saw the Frontier
trains set. He told her if it didn't sell over the holidays he would
buy it. He did, and that was the beginning of his AF collection. It
might have been 1954. Someone who knows when that set was put out might
be able to confirm that date.

Thanks,

Lew





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59531 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Black is what I have...
Bill

Is it dark green?
Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 59532 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Steve's 293
OK,
I'll put this info out there for the third time. It has a 2 step reverse
unit on the back of the motor. It has an air chime whistle in the tender. It
has the two piece draw bar assembly. It has the two prong plug from the
motor to the tender. It has sintered iron trucks with sliding power pickup
shoes. It is was uncatalogued in 1957 as a transition from the 293 to the five
digit 21099. Since Gilbert had some 293 boilers left in stock from 1956
run he used them on the 21099 chassis. Also there were a few of the 21099s
that came on the 293 chassis assembly. This has been seen a lot throughout
Gilbert history as he was a frugal man and not prone to wasting anything.
Having said all this, There were not MANY of these in either direction ever
made. Interestingly, I received a phone call today from a member of this list
who just lurks and seldom speaks up with the info that he too had one of
these that he found at a TCA train meet in Colorado and the seller had no
idea what he had. His is the only one he has ever seen, as mine is the only
one I have ever seen. I'll get some photos taken Busy in the shop just now,
but it will be soon. Oh, and by the way, It's worth whatever I can get for
it
Steve


In a message dated 03/04/2010 1:23:49 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:




And, Steve, if you can answer those questions to the group and send me some
pictures in each of those areas, I'll put it all in TheGilbertGallery.And,
Steve, if you can

Thanks.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, David Dewey <_djdewey@..._
(mailto:djdewey@...) > wrote:

From: David Dewey <_djdewey@..._ (mailto:djdewey@...) >
Subject: [S-Trains] Steve's 293
To: "s-trains list" <_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:59 PM



HI Steve and all,

I'm going to head this discussion in another direction, and since I think
others might be curious too, am posting this to the group and not directly
to Steve.

293 with sound! Veeery interstink! Since it has the reverse on motor; is
this the later two step, or that odd 4 step unit, as on the 346?

Also, assuming it's the two step; is it also a two-piece drawbar and the
two pin plug in the coal door area? And die cast trailing truck or just
wheels?

Because it has the sound uint, does it also have the tender trucks with
the slider contacts?

Inquiring minds like to know!

S'

David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59533 From: UNLV666@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Hello:

I would like to order an A&P Reefer also. How do I obtain one?

Joe



In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:11:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aftrains4u@... writes:




Hi Dave. Remember me? I purchased your latest A&P refrigerator boxcar.
Looks real nice. As you know I like anything that has to do with the NH
railroad. Also, take a look at my new website, www.americanflyertr Also,
take Have a great day.

Bob

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From: Dave <_lbrenterprisesllc@lbrenterp_ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@ya
hoo.com) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 11:27:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer


We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a
photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company)
refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

_http://groups._ (http://groups./) yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/
photos/album/ 2099290812/ pic/1545814340/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal&
start=1&count= 20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59534 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Yes, that Northern Pacific set is the original 1956/1957 Gilbert set, not the Flyonel reissue from 1992.  It is indeed a great set to have!!!

The Rocket also looks to be the real thing, another nice set, but worth less than half of the Northern Pacific.

But look closer at that Santa Fe set and read my earlier message.  It is a repaint, not the real Gilbert set.

The Washington set that Harwood refers to is the one with the blue old
time engine like the Frontiersman, with the flatcar and boxcar that are
behind it on the shelf.  Unfortunately, though, it doesn't have the
correct cannon on the flatcar; it's the cannon that is worth
something.  And there should be a red passenger car in the set and it's
the most valuable car in the set; I don't see it anywhere on the
shelf.  It's shown on the bottom of my Frontiersman web page below.  If
you can find it and the cannon, you've got a very desirable set.


Lew: in answer to your question about the Frontiersman, it was made in 1959 and 1960.  It went through several versions as shown on my website:

     http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Frontiersman.html

It's a set that I personally like, but the version you have there is not at all valuable.  The earliest version is a lot more valuable.


     

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Splitting American Flyer Collection
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 3:55 PM







 











Hi Lew,

From the pictures that you took I can see a few desirable items. There looks to be a 24416 NW Reefer, 21005 Switcher, Washington set, a five digit NH electric, SF pass. set, Rocket set and the NP passenger set. But without getting a closer look and having a list, it's kind of hard to see what else there is that would also be in the hi dollar range.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59535 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Joe,
     Thank you for your interest in our offerings. Please contact us at dave@... and we will reply with the particulars.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A. 
 


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From: UNLV666@... <UNLV666@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:08 PM


 



Hello:

I would like to order an A&P Reefer also. How do I obtain one?

Joe



In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:11:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aftrains4u@yahoo. com writes:

Hi Dave. Remember me? I purchased your latest A&P refrigerator boxcar.
Looks real nice. As you know I like anything that has to do with the NH
railroad. Also, take a look at my new website, www.americanflyertr Also,
take Have a great day.

Bob

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From: Dave <_lbrenterprisesllc @lbrenterp_ (mailto:lbrenterpri sesllc@ya
hoo.com) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com)
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 11:27:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer

We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a
photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company)
refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

_http://groups. _ (http://groups. /) yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/
photos/album/ 2099290812/ pic/1545814340/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal&
start=1&count= 20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59536 From: Gary Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Running AF car unloader accesorries
I have switched my track power to DC. Has anyone ran their track powered accesorries, like a unloading car, that draws power from the track? I'm not sure how to wire them beings the hot leg of the AC accesory is the control switch.
Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59537 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Hi Joe.  You can contact Dave Benson at dave@... to obtain an A&P refrigerator boxcar. 
 
Bob

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From: UNLV666@... <UNLV666@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 12:08 AM


 



Hello:

I would like to order an A&P Reefer also. How do I obtain one?

Joe



In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:11:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aftrains4u@yahoo. com writes:

Hi Dave. Remember me? I purchased your latest A&P refrigerator boxcar.
Looks real nice. As you know I like anything that has to do with the NH
railroad. Also, take a look at my new website, www.americanflyertr Also,
take Have a great day.

Bob

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From: Dave <_lbrenterprisesllc @lbrenterp_ (mailto:lbrenterpri sesllc@ya
hoo.com) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com)
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 11:27:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer

We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a
photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company)
refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

_http://groups. _ (http://groups. /) yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/
photos/album/ 2099290812/ pic/1545814340/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal&
start=1&count= 20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59538 From: Dave Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Off List Contact
For all of you that have, in the past or in future, requested or will request info. about any of our products or services, please contact us OFF LIST for this information. Using the list for this only fills up other members mail boxes with unwanted traffic. Thank you all for your patience and interest in our items.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
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502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59539 From: zdzislaw Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Transformers
Hello Group

I have sold off my HO stuff, and have returned to my AF roots (and I guess the new stuff from Showcase Line and American Models and Flyonel and whoever else). I have the new Flyonel Big Boy, as well as the Flyonel 4-8-4 and the 2-8-2, and of course some older AF that has been stored.

Now, which transformer(s) should I use to get the most out of all this stuff. Lionel Legacy Control is good for the Big Boy, but will the other engines run on the LLC system (that is without the BB's built in sound effects, of course)? And can I run the BB on an original AF transformer - the big two handled one (I don't have the number jargon down, probably never will).

One other question, does Showcase Line have its #5 switches out yet?

Cheers to all
Zdzislaw
Group: S-Trains Message: 59540 From: Lew Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hello again,

Later today or tomorrow we will be going through the remaining boxes of
AF stuff. Never know what might show up. I don't think my dad painted
any of the trains other than the ones he built, but I can't say for
sure. There is some chance, knowing my Dad, that he wanted something
that didn't exist, but who knows. He got his stock mainly from
consignment shops and other sources. I don't know how actively he traded.

Will be interesting to see what else shows up.

I was surprised to hear the dates the Frontiersman came out as I think
he had AF before that. I saw a manual on which he wrote 1954 on the
cover which would be his way of showing it was the year he got it. My
brother's story about how he bought the train for me and it was the
first one he bought could be wrong.

Thanks again,

Lew

On 3/4/2010 10:29 PM, Robert Graves wrote:
>
> Yes, that Northern Pacific set is the original 1956/1957 Gilbert set,
> not the Flyonel reissue from 1992. It is indeed a great set to have!!!
>
> The Rocket also looks to be the real thing, another nice set, but
> worth less than half of the Northern Pacific.
>
> But look closer at that Santa Fe set and read my earlier message. It
> is a repaint, not the real Gilbert set.
>
> The Washington set that Harwood refers to is the one with the blue old
> time engine like the Frontiersman, with the flatcar and boxcar that are
> behind it on the shelf. Unfortunately, though, it doesn't have the
> correct cannon on the flatcar; it's the cannon that is worth
> something. And there should be a red passenger car in the set and it's
> the most valuable car in the set; I don't see it anywhere on the
> shelf. It's shown on the bottom of my Frontiersman web page below. If
> you can find it and the cannon, you've got a very desirable set.
>
> Lew: in answer to your question about the Frontiersman, it was made in
> 1959 and 1960. It went through several versions as shown on my website:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Frontiersman.html
> <http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Frontiersman.html>
>
> It's a set that I personally like, but the version you have there is
> not at all valuable. The earliest version is a lot more valuable.
>
>
>
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> <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>> wrote:
>
> From: HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>
> <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Splitting American Flyer Collection
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 3:55 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Lew,
>
> >From the pictures that you took I can see a few desirable items.
> There looks to be a 24416 NW Reefer, 21005 Switcher, Washington set, a
> five digit NH electric, SF pass. set, Rocket set and the NP passenger
> set. But without getting a closer look and having a list, it's kind of
> hard to see what else there is that would also be in the hi dollar range.
>
> Harwood
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59541 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
I'm forwarding this message, and another to follow, to you in case you aren't watching the responses on the group.  I should have thought of that when I first sent it.

I keep thinking about how I would recommend dividing up the collection, being fair to all family members.  The first issue really is everyone's objectives.  My first paragraph in the attached message dealt with that, but it wasn't intended to be a complete listing of all possible objectives; there are others, such as building an admirable collection without actually running the trains.

If some family member wants a train set to run, the choice will be influenced by the ages of the people involved.  If you have young children ages 5 to 10, you want things they can actively play with.  You want some of the sturdier, less delicate engines and cars that won't break easily.  You want open top freight cars like hopper cars, gondola cars, and flat cars that the kids can put things in/on and watch them go around the layout.  You want operating cars and accessories like the barrel loader, stockyard, coal loader, mail car, etc.  One of the biggest hits when our club sets up its layout is the automobile unloading car.  The rocket launcher cars and exploding boxcars are a hit as well.  And of course, things that make noise like the whistling billboards are terrific!

As kids get older, they get more interested in things that look cool.  They like to turn off the lights in the room and watch the lighted passenger cars travel around among lighted buildings and towers.  Some get interested in electricity and wiring up controls like a reverse loop, semaphores, crossing lights, gates, etc.

For adults, aesthetics generally become increasingly important.  Personally, I like the looks of the blue B&M diesel engine and the cars that go with it (pictures 26 & 25).  And the Northern Pacific and Rocket passenger sets.  Fortunately , these are also fairly choice sets, with the Northern Pacific being quite valuable.  I'm also partial to the Frontiersman, but it isn't worth much, as I said in the other message that I'll forward in a minute.

Lots of people like steam locomotives with their smoke and choo-choo sounds, and their complex linkages.  But if you have someone in the family that is allergic to smoke or odors, you want to stick with diesel engines.

I hope that helps.

Bob


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From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:47 AM







 









The first question each family member has to ask himself is what his objective is: maximum value so you can sell it and get the money, or to get a nice train set your family can operate and enjoy, or add to an existing collection, or something you can donate to a train club.  The answer to that question dictates what items you choose to take.



It would, of course, take quite a while to look through all the pictures and place a reasonable total value on the collection.  And many of the pictures don't clearly show the numbers on the items; without that, we can't tell which version it is: some later models look the same as an earlier one but are much more rare and valuable because fewer were made.  For example, I was excited to see the Deep Rock tank car, but it's the more common version; a nice car to have, but not the rare one.



Clearly, the order of magnitude is tens of thousands of dollars, not hundreds of thousands, and not merely thousands.  But I wouldn't want to go much beyond that statement without more information and time.



An immediate emotional reaction is that the train layout is pretty cool!  I'd hate to see that taken apart and pieced out.  A family member who wants a train to run would get a lot of pleasure out of that for many years.  Keep it together if you can.



After a quick scan through the pictures, I don't see anything of extraordinary value.  There are some very nice pieces that I'd love to have in my collection, but they're worth hundreds, not thousands, of dollars.



There are, as you guessed, a lot of items that are not standard Flyer.  The red striped Santa Fe streamliner set, for example is a custom painted 66x set that someone painted red; it's not one of Gilbert's sets.  And I can't see a number on two of the engines.  The third, the 21927, was sold alone; it did not have the other two engine units with it.  It's worth somewhere between $150 and $200.  So that train was pieced together.  Overall, that train would probably sell on ebay for $300 to $400.  If it runs well, it would be great for someone who wants a train to play with, but no collector would clamor for it.



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From: linkuphost <lew@linkuphosting. com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:15 PM



 



Hello...



Was able to get access to a part of the collection to take some pictures. The link is here:



http://www.photogra phevents. biz/Collections



There is an option to view up to a XXXlarge version of the pictures, allowing you to zoom in for more detail.



The first pictures are of the train table. Basically a table that starts out as a ping pong table, then folds open to turn into a double ping pong table size train table. The first thing I would like is a rough, estimated value of the total contents of the table, excluding the rolling stock. Am guessing it is a mix of AF and non-AF. If there are any items of particular interest on the table, please let me know.



Next are sets of trains on the wall...various rows of trains and cars on two walls.



Then there are some misc boxes, etc. I noticed on an adjacent shelf.



Then some collector cards he acquired, mainly about 30+ years ago.



There is also a storage space containing more AF merch...we just don't know what.



Some of you have written me personally with a lot of tips, help, and offers.



I know it will be difficult from the photos to see what all is there, but I do feel it is a pretty good sized collection, i.e. I assume fairly complete representation of most trains made? Maybe there is a lot more I don't know about? I don't know there are some hand made cars. I think the snow plow and a box car were made from kits. Things he couldn't find made by AF.



If you were going to take a third or fourth of the trains and accessories you see, what would you take?



Thanks,



Lew



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59542 From: gettysburg9 Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Cow on Track Parts Needed:
Does anyone have parts/non-working Cow on Tracks? I am attempting to resurrect one. Everything is there except: The plastic curved gear, and the cow. Electrically everything works. Arm and contact which attaches to the selinoid are present and function as they should.

Thought I would fish around the group and see if anyone has the parts or a broken/non-working Cow on Track they would be willing to part with.
I hate to have something "almost" as it should be. Thanking you in advance.

Paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 59543 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
I looked at the SF set a little closer this time. Looks like a 360/364 with a 21927 as the other A unit. The cars look like they are aluminum type which someone has added the red painted strip through the middle.
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:29 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Splitting American Flyer Collection




Yes, that Northern Pacific set is the original 1956/1957 Gilbert set, not the Flyonel reissue from 1992. It is indeed a great set to have!!!

The Rocket also looks to be the real thing, another nice set, but worth less than half of the Northern Pacific.

But look closer at that Santa Fe set and read my earlier message. It is a repaint, not the real Gilbert set.

The Washington set that Harwood refers to is the one with the blue old
time engine like the Frontiersman, with the flatcar and boxcar that are
behind it on the shelf. Unfortunately, though, it doesn't have the
correct cannon on the flatcar; it's the cannon that is worth
something. And there should be a red passenger car in the set and it's
the most valuable car in the set; I don't see it anywhere on the
shelf. It's shown on the bottom of my Frontiersman web page below. If
you can find it and the cannon, you've got a very desirable set.

Lew: in answer to your question about the Frontiersman, it was made in 1959 and 1960. It went through several versions as shown on my website:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Frontiersman.html

It's a set that I personally like, but the version you have there is not at all valuable. The earliest version is a lot more valuable.



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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Splitting American Flyer Collection
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 3:55 PM



Hi Lew,

From the pictures that you took I can see a few desirable items. There looks to be a 24416 NW Reefer, 21005 Switcher, Washington set, a five digit NH electric, SF pass. set, Rocket set and the NP passenger set. But without getting a closer look and having a list, it's kind of hard to see what else there is that would also be in the hi dollar range.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59544 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
You're right - I missed the aluminum ends on the cars; I was just looking at the numbers.  Thaat would support the theory that the engines are 360 & 364.  The angle of the shot makes it hard to see how they are connected, but it looks to me as if I see the tops of two knuckle couplers.  It may be a 470 & 471.

That orange Southern Pacific streamliner set from 1981 is a nice modern set to have also.
It's valued pretty highly.


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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Splitting American Flyer Collection
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 8:48 AM







 











I looked at the SF set a little closer this time. Looks like a 360/364 with a 21927 as the other A unit. The cars look like they are aluminum type which someone has added the red painted strip through the middle.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59545 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Parts Needed:
Hey Paul,

Did you get the track all running?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gettysburg9
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Cow on Track Parts Needed:

Does anyone have parts/non-working Cow on Tracks? I am attempting to
resurrect one. Everything is there except: The plastic curved gear,
and the cow. Electrically everything works. Arm and contact which
attaches to the selinoid are present and function as they should.

Thought I would fish around the group and see if anyone has the parts or
a broken/non-working Cow on Track they would be willing to part with.
I hate to have something "almost" as it should be. Thanking you in
advance.

Paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 59546 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hi Bruce

Was this set that you talked about a special set not offered for sale in the cat?? rather made up for a special company or event?? thanks stan
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From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection




Lew,

The first Frontiersman sets came out in '59 and again in '60. The sets included the Franklin engine with passenger cars (247)20, (247)20, (247)30 and a Washington engine which included a flat car with cannon, a box car and a passenger car. I can go into greater detail if you like.

Hope this helps.

Bruce

From: Lew
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection

With some help, we have begun to go through the attic. So far we have
found about a dozen boxes full of AF cars, track, switches, etc. We
still aren't done with the attic and haven't taken time to go through
everything.

My youngest brother for some reason knew the family AF story. My
father's sister, my Aunt Frieda worked at a Five and Dime store in the
neighborhood my mother grew up in. When my father was paying a visit
around Christmas time, he stopped by her store and saw the Frontier
trains set. He told her if it didn't sell over the holidays he would
buy it. He did, and that was the beginning of his AF collection. It
might have been 1954. Someone who knows when that set was put out might
be able to confirm that date.

Thanks,

Lew

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59547 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Hi Zdzislaw,

You will get many opinions. Here is mine. I like the MRC Pure Power
model AH601. It has plenty of power, two throttles, accessory power,
overload protection, bell and horn buttons and meters. Since I do not
use command control, it is all I need. I have rigged mine up with
secondary panels to allow me to send DC to the tracks and to use a
LocoMatic panel when I wish.

Good Luck,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zdzislaw
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:11 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Transformers

Hello Group

I have sold off my HO stuff, and have returned to my AF roots (and I
guess the new stuff from Showcase Line and American Models and Flyonel
and whoever else). I have the new Flyonel Big Boy, as well as the
Flyonel 4-8-4 and the 2-8-2, and of course some older AF that has been
stored.

Now, which transformer(s) should I use to get the most out of all this
stuff. Lionel Legacy Control is good for the Big Boy, but will the
other engines run on the LLC system (that is without the BB's built in
sound effects, of course)? And can I run the BB on an original AF
transformer - the big two handled one (I don't have the number jargon
down, probably never will).

One other question, does Showcase Line have its #5 switches out yet?

Cheers to all
Zdzislaw
Group: S-Trains Message: 59548 From: Bruce Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hi Stan,

No, both sets were catalogued in '59 and '60. Here's an example from one of our member's websites:

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/D2224/AF_catalog_page2-3.htm

Hope this helps.

Bruce



From: Stanley Sobieski
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection



Hi Bruce

Was this set that you talked about a special set not offered for sale in the cat?? rather made up for a special company or event?? thanks stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection

Lew,

The first Frontiersman sets came out in '59 and again in '60. The sets included the Franklin engine with passenger cars (247)20, (247)20, (247)30 and a Washington engine which included a flat car with cannon, a box car and a passenger car. I can go into greater detail if you like.

Hope this helps.

Bruce

From: Lew
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection

With some help, we have begun to go through the attic. So far we have
found about a dozen boxes full of AF cars, track, switches, etc. We
still aren't done with the attic and haven't taken time to go through
everything.

My youngest brother for some reason knew the family AF story. My
father's sister, my Aunt Frieda worked at a Five and Dime store in the
neighborhood my mother grew up in. When my father was paying a visit
around Christmas time, he stopped by her store and saw the Frontier
trains set. He told her if it didn't sell over the holidays he would
buy it. He did, and that was the beginning of his AF collection. It
might have been 1954. Someone who knows when that set was put out might
be able to confirm that date.

Thanks,

Lew

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59549 From: lbrenterprisesllc Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: RHEINGOLD BEER Reefer Decals
By popular request we now have #1840 RHEINGOLD BEER Reefer decal sets at our web site. You can view by using the link below:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html

The cost for these sets is $11.99 per set which includes shipping.
For any other info. please contact us OFF LIST.

Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
dave@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59550 From: Gary Chidester Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: American Flyer Remote Switches
I have four sets of remote switches available for anyone that would like them. I don't know what the going rate is for them, but I would like to make a fair deal for them. One set is in a good box (Tan box with a red/white label), one set is in a box with some damage to the inner flaps (Blue and yellow box) and two more sets are without a box. I would be glad to take some pictures or even test them if you are interested. If I don't hear anything from anybody I will place them on Craigs-list or eBay sometime next week.

Feel free to contact me off-list if you are interested in making an offer or getting some pictures.

Thanks,

gary
Group: S-Trains Message: 59551 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 3/5/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Under the heading "Now Why Didn't I Think of That?", anybody give any
thought to dental floss? Have you ever tried to tear that stuff?


Carlton





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59552 From: mike Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: mikado smoke unit
hi all, i think my smoke unit might be clogged or not working properly any suggestions before i buy another smoke unit?
Mike J.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59553 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hi Bruce

I was thinking of the Franklin set that had the cannon flat car and ammo car along with the passanger cars thanks stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection




Hi Stan,

No, both sets were catalogued in '59 and '60. Here's an example from one of our member's websites:

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/D2224/AF_catalog_page2-3.htm

Hope this helps.

Bruce

From: Stanley Sobieski
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection

Hi Bruce

Was this set that you talked about a special set not offered for sale in the cat?? rather made up for a special company or event?? thanks stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection

Lew,

The first Frontiersman sets came out in '59 and again in '60. The sets included the Franklin engine with passenger cars (247)20, (247)20, (247)30 and a Washington engine which included a flat car with cannon, a box car and a passenger car. I can go into greater detail if you like.

Hope this helps.

Bruce

From: Lew
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection

With some help, we have begun to go through the attic. So far we have
found about a dozen boxes full of AF cars, track, switches, etc. We
still aren't done with the attic and haven't taken time to go through
everything.

My youngest brother for some reason knew the family AF story. My
father's sister, my Aunt Frieda worked at a Five and Dime store in the
neighborhood my mother grew up in. When my father was paying a visit
around Christmas time, he stopped by her store and saw the Frontier
trains set. He told her if it didn't sell over the holidays he would
buy it. He did, and that was the beginning of his AF collection. It
might have been 1954. Someone who knows when that set was put out might
be able to confirm that date.

Thanks,

Lew

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59554 From: Lew Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Once the train set was moved out, the whole area in front of the trains
has become blocked by a huge mess, part of which is the cases and crates
of AF stuff still boxed. I have no idea of what is in all the boxes. I
really doubt my Dad put things up based on value. Like putting up the
Frontiersman as a memory of having bought it for me, although I didn't
know it :)

I am basically unable to even get to the trains now to look at
them...the whole area is blocked and will be until we split up the
trains. After we split up the trains I will be packing and leaving to
head back home and won't really have a chance to review what I have or
others got. I guess it won't much matter what I didn't get as no one is
really financially motivated to sell. Won't be until some time after I
get back home before I will be able to figure out what I have and what
condition it is in. What I am a bit worried about is because we don't
know better, train sets might get split up because we don't know better.

Thanks again!

Lew

On 3/5/2010 10:48 AM, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> I looked at the SF set a little closer this time. Looks like a 360/364
> with a 21927 as the other A unit. The cars look like they are aluminum
> type which someone has added the red painted strip through the middle.
> Harwood
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...
> <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:29 pm
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Splitting American Flyer Collection
>
> Yes, that Northern Pacific set is the original 1956/1957 Gilbert set,
> not the Flyonel reissue from 1992. It is indeed a great set to have!!!
>
> The Rocket also looks to be the real thing, another nice set, but
> worth less than half of the Northern Pacific.
>
> But look closer at that Santa Fe set and read my earlier message. It
> is a repaint, not the real Gilbert set.
>
> The Washington set that Harwood refers to is the one with the blue old
> time engine like the Frontiersman, with the flatcar and boxcar that are
> behind it on the shelf. Unfortunately, though, it doesn't have the
> correct cannon on the flatcar; it's the cannon that is worth
> something. And there should be a red passenger car in the set and it's
> the most valuable car in the set; I don't see it anywhere on the
> shelf. It's shown on the bottom of my Frontiersman web page below. If
> you can find it and the cannon, you've got a very desirable set.
>
> Lew: in answer to your question about the Frontiersman, it was made in
> 1959 and 1960. It went through several versions as shown on my website:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Frontiersman.html
> <http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Frontiersman.html>
>
> It's a set that I personally like, but the version you have there is
> not at all valuable. The earliest version is a lot more valuable.
>
> _,_._,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59555 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: transformers
Hi to all,

I agree with Bill, you will probably get a lot of answers to  your question about the transformers. The big AF transformer that you have whether it is a 30B, or an 18B or whatever it is will work fine, the main thing to see is that you do  "NOT" have dc power going to that Big Boy, it will ruin the electronics in it and will not be good for Flyonel engines with the Railsounds. I am using a number of the original AF transformers on the layout that I am building, and using them in conjunction with TMCC, which is the less expensive way to start out with the wireless remote, you can always upgrade to Legacy later if you want more. With the TMCC Base and Powermasters you will be able to control the Big Boy and your conventional engines with the wireless throttle. I would recommend that you check the transformers or have them checked to make sure that the carbon rollers inside are not worn out, and also replace the power cords with polarized plugs so
that you can keep them in phase if you use more than one transformer on your layout. You can check out the Lionel website they have quite a lot of information on TMCC and Legacy and a technicians that can answer most all of your questions and also Carl Tuveson who is on this list is very knowledgeable about these systems. He has helped me out several times.
                                                             Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59556 From: Lew Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
Hello... Seems two of the five aren't interested in the trains and so
it will be up to the other three on divide up the AF stuff. One of the
three got the train board and all the stuff you saw mounted on it as
well as all the rolling stock on it. He said he was just as happy to
have "tougher" cars, etc. even though he is 47yo without children. We
still haven't gone through all the boxed up stuff we found.

Will have to see what we find and how the other two are as far as what
they pick. One issue I have is space to take everything back with me.
I would have to leave cases of AF's behind for a lack of space to take
them with.

The only downside so far is we haven't found any transformers and I
don't even know what locomotives are still AC. I also don't think
there was much left in the way of track, switches, etc. I found one
barrel with about 100 sections of track that basically looked like it
was all straight. I don't know what track can be curved, if in fact any
of it can. I don't think I have seen a pre-curved piece of track yet.
At the moment I don't have a place to put up a train track. Even my
dining room table is full of junk, without bringing all this other stuff
home.

Thanks again to everyone for all the info, tips, and help!

Lew

On 3/5/2010 9:10 AM, Robert Graves wrote:
> I'm forwarding this message, and another to follow, to you in case you
> aren't watching the responses on the group. I should have thought of
> that when I first sent it.
>
> I keep thinking about how I would recommend dividing up the
> collection, being fair to all family members. The first issue really
> is everyone's objectives. My first paragraph in the attached message
> dealt with that, but it wasn't intended to be a complete listing of
> all possible objectives; there are others, such as building an
> admirable collection without actually running the trains.
>
> If some family member wants a train set to run, the choice will be
> influenced by the ages of the people involved. If you have young
> children ages 5 to 10, you want things they can actively play with.
> You want some of the sturdier, less delicate engines and cars that
> won't break easily. You want open top freight cars like hopper cars,
> gondola cars, and flat cars that the kids can put things in/on and
> watch them go around the layout. You want operating cars and
> accessories like the barrel loader, stockyard, coal loader, mail car,
> etc. One of the biggest hits when our club sets up its layout is the
> automobile unloading car. The rocket launcher cars and exploding
> boxcars are a hit as well. And of course, things that make noise like
> the whistling billboards are terrific!
>
> As kids get older, they get more interested in things that look cool.
> They like to turn off the lights in the room and watch the lighted
> passenger cars travel around among lighted buildings and towers. Some
> get interested in electricity and wiring up controls like a reverse
> loop, semaphores, crossing lights, gates, etc.
>
> For adults, aesthetics generally become increasingly important.
> Personally, I like the looks of the blue B&M diesel engine and the
> cars that go with it (pictures 26 & 25). And the Northern Pacific and
> Rocket passenger sets. Fortunately , these are also fairly choice
> sets, with the Northern Pacific being quite valuable. I'm also
> partial to the Frontiersman, but it isn't worth much, as I said in the
> other message that I'll forward in a minute.
>
> Lots of people like steam locomotives with their smoke and choo-choo
> sounds, and their complex linkages. But if you have someone in the
> family that is allergic to smoke or odors, you want to stick with
> diesel engines.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Bob
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/4/10, Robert Graves /<theupstairstrain@...>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Splitting American Flyer Collection
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
> The first question each family member has to ask himself is what
> his objective is: maximum value so you can sell it and get the
> money, or to get a nice train set your family can operate and
> enjoy, or add to an existing collection, or something you can
> donate to a train club. The answer to that question dictates what
> items you choose to take.
>
> It would, of course, take quite a while to look through all the
> pictures and place a reasonable total value on the collection.
> And many of the pictures don't clearly show the numbers on the
> items; without that, we can't tell which version it is: some later
> models look the same as an earlier one but are much more rare and
> valuable because fewer were made. For example, I was excited to
> see the Deep Rock tank car, but it's the more common version; a
> nice car to have, but not the rare one.
>
> Clearly, the order of magnitude is tens of thousands of dollars,
> not hundreds of thousands, and not merely thousands. But I
> wouldn't want to go much beyond that statement without more
> information and time.
>
> An immediate emotional reaction is that the train layout is pretty
> cool! I'd hate to see that taken apart and pieced out. A family
> member who wants a train to run would get a lot of pleasure out of
> that for many years. Keep it together if you can.
>
> After a quick scan through the pictures, I don't see anything of
> extraordinary value. There are some very nice pieces that I'd
> love to have in my collection, but they're worth hundreds, not
> thousands, of dollars.
>
> There are, as you guessed, a lot of items that are not standard
> Flyer. The red striped Santa Fe streamliner set, for example is a
> custom painted 66x set that someone painted red; it's not one of
> Gilbert's sets. And I can't see a number on two of the engines.
> The third, the 21927, was sold alone; it did not have the other
> two engine units with it. It's worth somewhere between $150 and
> $200. So that train was pieced together. Overall, that train
> would probably sell on ebay for $300 to $400. If it runs well, it
> would be great for someone who wants a train to play with, but no
> collector would clamor for it.
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59557 From: zdzislaw wieckowski Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Thanks Bill
 
Didn;t know MRC made such a unit.
 
best
Zdzislaw

--- On Fri, 3/5/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Transformers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 1:42 PM


 



Hi Zdzislaw,

You will get many opinions. Here is mine. I like the MRC Pure Power
model AH601. It has plenty of power, two throttles, accessory power,
overload protection, bell and horn buttons and meters. Since I do not
use command control, it is all I need. I have rigged mine up with
secondary panels to allow me to send DC to the tracks and to use a
LocoMatic panel when I wish.

Good Luck,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On
Behalf Of zdzislaw
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:11 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Transformers

Hello Group

I have sold off my HO stuff, and have returned to my AF roots (and I
guess the new stuff from Showcase Line and American Models and Flyonel
and whoever else). I have the new Flyonel Big Boy, as well as the
Flyonel 4-8-4 and the 2-8-2, and of course some older AF that has been
stored.

Now, which transformer( s) should I use to get the most out of all this
stuff. Lionel Legacy Control is good for the Big Boy, but will the
other engines run on the LLC system (that is without the BB's built in
sound effects, of course)? And can I run the BB on an original AF
transformer - the big two handled one (I don't have the number jargon
down, probably never will).

One other question, does Showcase Line have its #5 switches out yet?

Cheers to all
Zdzislaw











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59558 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Cow on Track Parts Needed:
We have both parts available as reproductions.

Visit our website, select AF PARTS catalog, and then select ACCESSORIES
to locate them.



<<<Does anyone have parts/non-working Cow on Tracks? I am attempting to
resurrect one. Everything is there except: The plastic curved gear, and
the cow.>>>





Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59559 From: Rance and Bente Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: transformers
Hi all:
I remember the caveats from people on this list about not using old
transformers with new engines - spend the money to get a 'modern'
transformer for the electronics of the new engines, and the faster shut
off times when something shorts. The old transformers (unfortunately)
do not have a rapid response time when shorting occurs - although they
were fine for the sturdier AF original equipment, with today's
electronics, one needs a more modern transformer.

I don't have any recommendations since I only have the old AF
transformers (30b, 12b, 8b, etc. etc.). Guess I will see what everyone
recommends and then pick one up on my next trip to the States. Where
are all those recommendations? :-)
regards and thanks to all
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Ray Puls wrote:
>
>
> Hi to all,
>
> I agree with Bill, you will probably get a lot of answers to your
> question about the transformers. The big AF transformer that you have
> whether it is a 30B, or an 18B or whatever it is will work fine, the
> main thing to see is that you do "NOT" have dc power going to that
> Big Boy, it will ruin the electronics in it and will not be good for
> Flyonel engines with the Railsounds. I am using a number of the
> original AF transformers on the layout that I am building, and using
> them in conjunction with TMCC, which is the less expensive way to
> start out with the wireless remote, you can always upgrade to Legacy
> later if you want more. With the TMCC Base and Powermasters you will
> be able to control the Big Boy and your conventional engines with the
> wireless throttle. I would recommend that you check the transformers
> or have them checked to make sure that the carbon rollers inside are
> not worn out, and also replace the power cords with polarized plugs so
> that you can keep them in phase if you use more than one
> transformer on your layout. You can check out the Lionel website they
> have quite a lot of information on TMCC and Legacy and a technicians
> that can answer most all of your questions and also Carl Tuveson who
> is on this list is very knowledgeable about these systems. He has
> helped me out several times.
> Ray
>
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>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59560 From: rj4010d Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Mikado Smoke Unit
The FIRST thing to do is turn the engine upside down to make sure it is NOT overfilled.
BOB G. Eaton Oh
Group: S-Trains Message: 59561 From: Dave Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: RHEINGOLD BEER Reefer
We have just posted a photo of our new #1840 RHEINGOLD BEER reefer on this web site. You can view by using the link below:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/570431182/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

If anyone requires info. on this car PLEASE CONTACT OFF LIST.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59562 From: David Dewey Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: More 293 questions
Been reading my digest S-trains this AM, and realized I have MORE questions for Steve, and for the group to "share the experience" (now we are all Marin County residents!! :) ). As Steve knows, and others who know me know; I am very curious about variations and the manufacturing processes used by ACG. So;
Steve,
Does this have the split chassis with plastic drivers? And, if so, all plastic drivers, or the variation with metal tires (large flanges)--usually only found on late Hudson, I think--but I'm too lazy to go look for my books to read all about it!
OK, so know you know, I'm lazy too. . .
Trying not to be a train nerd pest, but I am curious! And I do believe this is a rare piece, so even more curious about it. It's a sleeper, much as the very late 930 caboose is (oops, I just let that cat out of the bag, didn't I?). I found one in a buy once, but it was the ONLY car the owner had repainted (badly too, I might add).
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59563 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Mikado smoke unit problem
Try the following (if you haven't already): blow down the stack or carefully insert a pipe cleaner to remove excess fluid. Drowning element type units in fluid will keep them from making smoke. (Element types are not the same as old Flyer wick types or fan driven MTH types.) I've had the "overfill" problem often with LGB locos and Putt locos in S which use Suethe smoke units.
If this is not the problem, you could have a serious malfuction. Sometimes element type units will produce less smoke as they go bad, while every once in a while they will poduce a huge volume of smoke and then burn right up.
With the electronics in the "Mike" their could also be a problem with the voltage regulating to the smoke unit, which generally requires replacement of the entire board as everything is run by the circuit board, not individual componemts.
If the smoke unit itself is the problem, at least it IS separate and can be replaced at reasonable cost.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59564 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: More 293 questions
Nope. It looks just like any other 293.(except for the stuff already
mentioned) I sent photos yesterday to the upstairs train room. Anybody else
want them I can send in email.
Steve


In a message dated 03/06/2010 12:33:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
djdewey@... writes:

Steve,
Does this have the split chassis with plastic drivers? And, if so, all
plastic drivers, or the variation with metal tires (large flanges)--usually
only found on late Hudson, I think--but I'm too lazy to go


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59565 From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Parts
This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.

There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part or that.

In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the parts dealers.

So why????

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 59566 From: paflyrman Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Pennslyvania Railroad Museum Auction
Did NE1 attend this auction in Hummelstown PA today? Over 400 lots of trains and train related items. I was not able to attend and am interested in knowing if anything of interest was there beyond what could be seen in the auctioneer's pictures and listing. Should have been a good bit of AF there.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 59567 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
people are cheap? LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: newtoaf@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts



This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.

There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part or that.

In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the parts dealers.

So why????

Steve





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59568 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: AF Transformer Question
I find that I need to install new line cords in a couple of AF transformers
that just came out of long-term storage. I read the suggestion to change to
a polerized line cord (to help keep the transformers in phase), but I am now
wondering if it would be advantagious to change to a 3-wire grounded cord
for the additional safety afforded by grounding the metal case.

Your thoughts??

Thanks,

Jerry Feldman


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59569 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: laser cut
http://www.etsy.com/shop/lasercut
This company has laser cut wood letters and numbers in 1/4 and 1/2 inch sizes.

I got two packages of 1/4 and I just ordered another set for another sign.

My signs will be:

Lechner's Produce
Bills to be infront of the Frosty Bar sign for Bill Zide, a fan of Zippy, thanks to me. LOL.
David's for David's Concessions at S Helper Field since David Dewey is owner.
Linda's Apple Orchard, since Linda gave me the idea for the apple orchard.

I will be ordering miniature strips of wood from http://www.blackbearcc.com/s_wood.htm

I will have two thin strips of wood for letters behind them to be then mounted on sign post.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59570 From: donald abrams Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
For what my 2c is worth,
It would seem that this is a 21099 in every way except the boiler shell.
How would putting a 293 shell on this engine make it more valuable?
Any 'collectible' that can be made from the parts bin isn't a rarity --
IMHO.
It is like a recent discussion about an AF car that had a high rarity
rating because it was painted over a different color plastic than most
of the others produced.
I can see the collect-ability of say a painted car vs. an unpainted one
with the same catalog number on it -- but getting into the color of
plastic used in the mold?
I'll leave that area of collecting for others to pursue!
I know the 'L' collectors get into that big time, but was unaware that
it hit the Flyer ranks.

Don Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 59571 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: AF Transformer Question
No need to ground the case as most (Not All) were plastic. Mike


In a message dated 3/6/2010 2:35:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
gfeldman2904@... writes:




I find that I need to install new line cords in a couple of AF transformers
that just came out of long-term storage. I read the suggestion to change to
a polerized line cord (to help keep the transformers in phase), but I am
now
wondering if it would be advantagious to change to a 3-wire grounded cord
for the additional safety afforded by grounding the metal case.

Your thoughts??

Thanks,

Jerry Feldman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59572 From: Gary Chidester Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: I have uploaded videos
My sons and I have been working on the new layout today. The incline starters showed up in the mail today so we were able to start working on the inner loop. Of course we can't stop running just because we are working on the layout! I decided to try shooting some video and this is what we ended up with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bfRj__KHjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yYnTPFiAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghbyf7MHCg

We've got a lot of work still ahead, but it's the journey, not the destination, right?


How many feeder lines do you guys run on your track?

gary





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59573 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Why didn't I think of that?
While I've been pretty busy with Cindy's medicals and shoveling snow, I do still get to read S Trains sometimes. After reading about using dental floss and why no one thought of that before on this list, here's a possible reason:
Today, we're used to being able to buy whatever we need to build or repair something. Because of that, we don't use our "thinking caps." (There's an oldie you probably haven't heard for a while!)
Way back, before so much was so easily availible, almost everything had to created out of whatever was lying around. If you wanted to fix something or build something in model railroading, you HAD to be imaginative.
Heck, my Dad never threw anything away if he could figure out a use for it. He was a draftsman and architectual model builder well before outfits like Grant Line or Plastruct existed. One time he made tires for a forklift out of Cherrios painted black!
He could litterally "make anything from nothing." With the economy the way it is, he'd be handy to have around today. I just wish I was half as sharp as ol' Dad!
Stumpy Stone...creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59575 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
I had gained the impression that Flyer was just as bad for faddy pricing. There are a number of the Atlantics scarcer than diesel or pacific Flyer locos but they go for a fraction of the price. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: donald abrams
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293



For what my 2c is worth,
It would seem that this is a 21099 in every way except the boiler shell.
How would putting a 293 shell on this engine make it more valuable?
Any 'collectible' that can be made from the parts bin isn't a rarity --
IMHO.
It is like a recent discussion about an AF car that had a high rarity
rating because it was painted over a different color plastic than most
of the others produced.
I can see the collect-ability of say a painted car vs. an unpainted one
with the same catalog number on it -- but getting into the color of
plastic used in the mold?
I'll leave that area of collecting for others to pursue!
I know the 'L' collectors get into that big time, but was unaware that
it hit the Flyer ranks.

Don Abrams







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59576 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Hi Steve,
� It would be easier to answer your question, if I knew what part you need.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, newtoaf@... <newtoaf@...> wrote:

From: newtoaf@... <newtoaf@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:16 PM







 









This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.



There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part or that.



In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the parts dealers.



So why????



Steve

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59577 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: I have uploaded videos
My favorite part of your videos is watching those little fingers just itching to reach out and touch that train! Mighty cute!! Takes you back to when our own fingers were that young, and that's what it's all about, isn't it? :)
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Chidester" <gchidester@...>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2010 4:08:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] I have uploaded videos






My sons and I have been working on the new layout today. The incline starters showed up in the mail today so we were able to start working on the inner loop. Of course we can't stop running just because we are working on the layout! I decided to try shooting some video and this is what we ended up with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bfRj__KHjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yYnTPFiAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghbyf7MHCg

We've got a lot of work still ahead, but it's the journey, not the destination, right?

How many feeder lines do you guys run on your track?

gary

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59578 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
So mine 982 State Maine Car with a orange strip instead of red is not worth anymore. LOL

The rest of the car is not "faded" at all.

I think someone had too much milk that day from the AC Gilbert dairy. And they did have AC Gilbert milk, Don Rosa has a milk bottle cap.

High potent stuff.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: donald abrams
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293



For what my 2c is worth,
It would seem that this is a 21099 in every way except the boiler shell.
How would putting a 293 shell on this engine make it more valuable?
Any 'collectible' that can be made from the parts bin isn't a rarity --
IMHO.
It is like a recent discussion about an AF car that had a high rarity
rating because it was painted over a different color plastic than most
of the others produced.
I can see the collect-ability of say a painted car vs. an unpainted one
with the same catalog number on it -- but getting into the color of
plastic used in the mold?
I'll leave that area of collecting for others to pursue!
I know the 'L' collectors get into that big time, but was unaware that
it hit the Flyer ranks.

Don Abrams





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59579 From: Scaler164 Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Trainstuff (Pre-SHS) S Scale Fox Trucks
I have been made aware that there were TWO versions of the Pressed Steel
"Fox" Trucks produced by Trainstuff way-back-when... so if anyone has
any to spare of either version, I'd like to buy one pair of each type.

I will pay as much as $10 per pair... which is most likely more than
what they sold for when new. If anyone can prove otherwise, I'll adjust
my offering.

Please contact me OFF-line at Scaler164@...
<mailto:Scaler164@...> or JohnnyReb69@...
<mailto:JohnnyReb69@...>

Thanks.

John Degnan


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> ,
"John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote:
>
> Looking for one or two pairs of the old Trainstuff (Pre-SHS) S Scale
Fox Trucks.
>
> Anyone got a pair or two you can spare?
>
>
> John Degnan
> JohnnyReb69@... <mailto:JohnnyReb69@...>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59580 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Talk About Price on AF
Take a look at AF 21626 Caboose on eBay going for $83.00 with about 30 minutes to go.  About 17 bidders who really want that caboose!  Book value I believe is aboit $35.00.  What price CABOOSE.

Bob  




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59581 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Nothing is lost or missing or unavailable IF you where to look. Obviously, you've been around the block a couple times and know where to look. Some of us just aren't that experienced and/or knowledgeable.
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: newtoaf@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2010 12:16:05 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts






This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.

There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part or that.

In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the parts dealers.

So why????

Steve




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59582 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Hi Carlton,
� Do they sell dental floss in black or green?
Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 3/5/10, Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> wrote:

From: Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 8:39 PM







 













Under the heading "Now Why Didn't I Think of That?", anybody give any

thought to dental floss? Have you ever tried to tear that stuff?



Carlton



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59583 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Parts
Mike,
I don't think it has any thing to do with being cheap. Some sources may have a higher quality part than another. In the past I know that Greg Kreft made high quality fingers for e-units. At the same time someone else was making fingers that I wouldn't take if you gave them to me. Similar to knuckle coupler reproductions, there are quality ones and there are poorly made ones out there. Toms Seccia has to gone to lengths to produce quality reproductions, like his smoke unit parts. Fred Jester has done the same.
Harwood







people are cheap? LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: newtoaf@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts

This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.

There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part or that.

In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the parts dealers.

So why????

Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59584 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: 293 LOOK AT THIS AS FAR AS RARE
_***RARE/UNUSUAL AMERICAN FLYER 466 COMET PA UNIT*** - eBay (item
180473807972 end time Mar-06-10 19:00:05 PST)_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-UNUSUAL-AMERICAN-FLYER-466-COMET-PA-UNIT_W0QQitemZ180473807972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59585 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
I agree with Bill. The MRC PP (single or double units) are excellent. I
use one myself, and it's one of the few transformers we stock and sell.





<<<Hi Zdzislaw,

You will get many opinions. Here is mine. I like the MRC Pure Power
model AH601. It has plenty of power, two throttles, accessory power,
overload protection, bell and horn buttons and meters.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59586 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/6/2010
Subject: Parts
Steve,
Well in my case, I know there are sources for black line for stringing AF crane cars. But I am trying to find a source that is an exact copy of the original dark green braided cord that Gilbert used on the 944. I have found a source for the line used on the 644 cranes, this is a tan braided line. It takes a little searching, but it can be found. I am a stickler for detail.

Harwood











This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.

There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part or that.

In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the parts dealers.

So why????

Steve







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59587 From: zdzislaw wieckowski Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
Thanks Doug
 
MRC makes good stuff.  How does it interface with the new Flyonel Big Boy?  Bell and whistle work?
 
regards
Zdzislaw

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:


From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Transformers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 9:34 PM


 



I agree with Bill. The MRC PP (single or double units) are excellent. I
use one myself, and it's one of the few transformers we stock and sell.

<<<Hi Zdzislaw,

You will get many opinions. Here is mine. I like the MRC Pure Power
model AH601. It has plenty of power, two throttles, accessory power,
overload protection, bell and horn buttons and meters.>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts. com
www.sgaugetrains. com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59588 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Transformers
I am using a MRC transformer from Doug for my DCC operation.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Peck
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Transformers



I agree with Bill. The MRC PP (single or double units) are excellent. I
use one myself, and it's one of the few transformers we stock and sell.

<<<Hi Zdzislaw,

You will get many opinions. Here is mine. I like the MRC Pure Power
model AH601. It has plenty of power, two throttles, accessory power,
overload protection, bell and horn buttons and meters.>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59589 From: Gary Chidester Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: I have uploaded videos
That's why I am doing it. My oldest son is 11 and I got back into my flyer when he was 2 and showed an interest in more than just the "Thomas" trains. I bought a lot of trains and track and we started running them. Now my second son is almost three and he loves them too! We ran trains all day today and the house smells GREAT!!

gary


On Mar 6, 2010, at 7:07 PM, jimensign50@... wrote:

> My favorite part of your videos is watching those little fingers just itching to reach out and touch that train! Mighty cute!! Takes you back to when our own fingers were that young, and that's what it's all about, isn't it? :)
> Jim E.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Chidester" <gchidester@...>
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2010 4:08:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> Subject: [S-Trains] I have uploaded videos
>
> My sons and I have been working on the new layout today. The incline starters showed up in the mail today so we were able to start working on the inner loop. Of course we can't stop running just because we are working on the layout! I decided to try shooting some video and this is what we ended up with:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bfRj__KHjE
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yYnTPFiAM
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghbyf7MHCg
>
> We've got a lot of work still ahead, but it's the journey, not the destination, right?
>
> How many feeder lines do you guys run on your track?
>
> gary
>
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>
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>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59590 From: Scott Davidson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Rating Trains....
I like my American Flyer trains like I like my steaks….



Medium Rare….



If it’s too rare I can’t afford it or digest it….



Keep on training….







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Of anormal1@...
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 08:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 293 LOOK AT THIS AS FAR AS RARE





_***RARE/UNUSUAL AMERICAN FLYER 466 COMET PA UNIT*** - eBay (item
180473807972 end time Mar-06-10 19:00:05 PST)_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-UNUSUAL-AMERICAN-FLYER-466-COMET-PA-UNIT_W0QQitemZ
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59591 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Harwood, isn't this the same as braided green fishing line? Mike


In a message dated 3/6/2010 9:47:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
HOwingsiii@... writes:





Steve,
Well in my case, I know there are sources for black line for stringing AF
crane cars. But I am trying to find a source that is an exact copy of the
original dark green braided cord that Gilbert used on the 944. I have found
a source for the line used on the 644 cranes, this is a tan braided line.
It takes a little searching, but it can be found. I am a stickler for detail.

Harwood

This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.

There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part
or that.

In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the
parts dealers.

So why????

Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59592 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Hi Alistair,
� Some of you guys have been beating up on Steve pretty good.  Let me give you a few things to consider on Steve's 293.  In 1957 it appears that Gilbert was going completely to a 5 Digit Numbering system.  The Pennsy 0-6-0 Switcher has a 5 digit number 21004.  This locomotive also used the XA14A513 two prong plug connection. The same as all the steam locomotives in 1958.  I believe that the Gilbert factory most likely did an inventory and found that there were quite a few 3 digit pieces and most likely cut back or did not do any major train production that year.  Steve's 293 was most likely a 1957 production of what a 5 digit 21099 would be.  1958 was the last year of Pacific Boiler with the feedwater heater  on top of the boiler along with the last year of the 0-8-0 Switcher and the K5 Pacific. There were no split frames until 1959.  All 5 digit 1958 frames were solid.
Taking that into consideration, plus the fact why would someone remove the 21099 shell and replace it with a 293 shell.  The 21099 is worth about $400 or $500.  I believe Steve's 293 is worth at least that.  You will have to give me the number of the Atlantic worth that much.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote:

From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 7:38 PM







 









I had gained the impression that Flyer was just as bad for faddy pricing. There are a number of the Atlantics scarcer than diesel or pacific Flyer locos but they go for a fraction of the price. Alistair

----- Original Message -----

From: donald abrams

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:31 AM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293



For what my 2c is worth,

It would seem that this is a 21099 in every way except the boiler shell.

How would putting a 293 shell on this engine make it more valuable?

Any 'collectible' that can be made from the parts bin isn't a rarity --

IMHO.

It is like a recent discussion about an AF car that had a high rarity

rating because it was painted over a different color plastic than most

of the others produced.

I can see the collect-ability of say a painted car vs. an unpainted one

with the same catalog number on it -- but getting into the color of

plastic used in the mold?

I'll leave that area of collecting for others to pursue!

I know the 'L' collectors get into that big time, but was unaware that

it hit the Flyer ranks.



Don Abrams



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59593 From: Bruce Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Don,

I thought about that as well, but I hesitated to bring it up because I didn't want to get blown out of the water by the owner since he seems very protective of the authenticity of this loco and his desire to get his price. Since you brought it up, I feel comfortable to second your opinion. I'm not saying this is the case with this 293, but it sure would be easy to do wouldn't it?

Bruce



From: donald abrams
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 4:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293



For what my 2c is worth,
It would seem that this is a 21099 in every way except the boiler shell.
How would putting a 293 shell on this engine make it more valuable?
Any 'collectible' that can be made from the parts bin isn't a rarity --
IMHO.
It is like a recent discussion about an AF car that had a high rarity
rating because it was painted over a different color plastic than most
of the others produced.
I can see the collect-ability of say a painted car vs. an unpainted one
with the same catalog number on it -- but getting into the color of
plastic used in the mold?
I'll leave that area of collecting for others to pursue!
I know the 'L' collectors get into that big time, but was unaware that
it hit the Flyer ranks.

Don Abrams





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59594 From: Scott Davidson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Why didn't I think of that?
Stump,



Good points.



Time 4 us to start the vegetable garden this spring..

We are becoming hapless bunch here in the ole USA. aren't we..



The folks behind us are even worse..

If you can't get it off the self at Walmart's.. It just can't be done or
doesn't exist..



"Thinking caps". I haven't heard that 1 in years..

Were you a young TV watching "Do-Bee"?



Hope the snow stops soon. in Dallas we got 5 inches a few weeks ago. a
historic snow deposit.



Keep on training..



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mrstumpy50
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Why didn't I think of that?





While I've been pretty busy with Cindy's medicals and shoveling snow, I do
still get to read S Trains sometimes. After reading about using dental floss
and why no one thought of that before on this list, here's a possible
reason:
Today, we're used to being able to buy whatever we need to build or repair
something. Because of that, we don't use our "thinking caps." (There's an
oldie you probably haven't heard for a while!)
Way back, before so much was so easily availible, almost everything had to
created out of whatever was lying around. If you wanted to fix something or
build something in model railroading, you HAD to be imaginative.
Heck, my Dad never threw anything away if he could figure out a use for it.
He was a draftsman and architectual model builder well before outfits like
Grant Line or Plastruct existed. One time he made tires for a forklift out
of Cherrios painted black!
He could litterally "make anything from nothing." With the economy the way
it is, he'd be handy to have around today. I just wish I was half as sharp
as ol' Dad!
Stumpy Stone...creative Imagineer in Appalachia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59595 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Harwood,

I meant no disrespect to the parts dealers, as the jist of the message to me was that he wondered why people try to make their own parts, for their own use. If was about people making parts for general sale, then I mistook the email for what it was.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts




Mike,
I don't think it has any thing to do with being cheap. Some sources may have a higher quality part than another. In the past I know that Greg Kreft made high quality fingers for e-units. At the same time someone else was making fingers that I wouldn't take if you gave them to me. Similar to knuckle coupler reproductions, there are quality ones and there are poorly made ones out there. Toms Seccia has to gone to lengths to produce quality reproductions, like his smoke unit parts. Fred Jester has done the same.
Harwood

people are cheap? LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: newtoaf@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Parts

This might be a stupid question, but I'd realy like to know.

There have been questions about how to make or what to use for this part or that.

In every instance I've been able to find every part listed by all the parts dealers.

So why????

Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59596 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....
This week at SHS…

I guess I have to start with the happy news in the Thompson
household. Our eldest son Ben and wife Sprite gave Robin and I our
first grand child. Baby Maya was born three week ago in Fayetteville,
NC. Ben is stationed at Ft. Bragg and is deployed to the
Philippines. He is now home on two weeks maternity leave. So, if the
we do not seem to be running up to speed I would like to apologies,
but Robin has been with Sprite and I just returned this week.

Before Maya’s early appearance, Robin had just finished our SHS
Winter 2010 Update. We mailed them out after Robin and Sprite left
NJ. Bill has posted these at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V21N1.pdf

The current order form was posted at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V21N1OF.pdf

We need to apologies to our hobby shop owners, unfortunately, our
Hobby Shop Newsletter was not completed and mailed. So if you try to
order items at your favorite hobby shop, you may get some strange
looks. Please understand.

Our next new shipment of freight cars will be the composite and USRA
two bay open top hoppers… These have been completed and are waiting
to be shipped. We hope to see these in April.

For the USRA we are offering B&O (large letter scheme), Reading (new
numbers) and another run of Waddells (I think this will be the 4th run).

For the composite, new numbers for the AT&SF, C&O, CB&Q, PRR and LV

If you do not have one on order, they can be reserved at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers_in_stock.html

http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html

We are now taking deposits on our 2010 Christmas Car. The car is a
D&H blue and yellow Bethlehem Steel two bay open top hopper. We have
not made a final decision on the load. The prototype was used to haul
recycled glass and we are trying to procure this type of load.
Otherwise, it will be a coal load with snow. If you reserve your car
now with a deposit, this will lock in the current price. You can
order as well as sell an image of the decorations of this car on our
home page at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/

Other items that are featured for Advanced Orders in this update are
the next run of Rebuilt boxcars….

http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html

And a new number for our Baby Ruth Reefer….

http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Next container….

We expect a shipment from our builder next week. It includes the out
of stock flex track and uncouplers that sold so well this past
Christmas season.

http://www.showcaseline.com/track/FlexTrack.html

New items….

In February a new item was delivered. Tom Stoltz (of Tom’s
requested this item to aid in building switches using our rail. These
are the same as our #00660 rail joiners, but are unweathered which
makes for easier soldering. The MSRP for this item is $6.95 (for 36)
and can be found on the following webpage:

http://www.showcaseline.com/track/TrackAccessories.html

Lastly…Top 5 items purchased in February…

#5 Canadian Pacific Stock Cars (#01983 & 4)

#2 (tie) NH 2 bay open hopper 3 car set (#01188)

#2 (tie) LV SW9 (#01251 & 2)

#2 (tie) FEC SW9 (#01247 & 8)

#1 3M MINX double sheathed boxcar (#02056 & 7)

Honorable mention – we usually do not mention track sales, but the
truth be told, we sold more just in stock #00292 25” 30˚ curved
track than all the others combined.

I hope everyone has a Happy St. Pat’s Day…

Don



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59597 From: Bill Drake Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
I have been on the sidelines on this but have something to add. I have a 326 with two position reverse, plug connector and plastic tender. I think that Gilbert used up existing shells with paint and lettering already on them. There was no reason for a toy company to worry about consistency. The economics of production would be to utilize the parts on hand and make the shipment.
 
This Hudson with a 5 digit boiler would be more valuable than a 326 so why would I or anyone else change it out. My mother got it for me from a garage sale in the early 1980's so there wouldn't seem to have been another collector in the chain. When I reported it to the Greenberg organization I was asked to carefully check it over and send photos. After a time they let me know that they had discovered several of these. It seems reasonable to me that Steve's loco is legit. As to value, it is a transition piece with a combination of 3 digit and 5 digit characteristics and it is unusual. To some it is interesting, others it is irritating but I think it is kind of like the red cab crane, odd enough that collectors of very rare pieces will be interested, but most folks aren't - certainly not at a premium price. There is little or no extra operator interest - like there might be in a 285 (has a whistle speaker in tender), over a more common piece. Steve can ask
what he wants for it and if someone with the extra collecting area interest wants it and is willing to pay what Steve wants, then the worth for that moment and for those two individuals has been established - maybe to find its way into the "guides" for the next person who uncovers one.

Just one more viewpoint -
 
Bill Drake
in SUNNY St. Louis, first day in 95 days over 60 degrees F. A new record.

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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 9:11 PM


 



Hi Alistair,
  Some of you guys have been beating up on Steve pretty good.  Let me give you a few things to consider on Steve's 293.  In 1957 it appears that Gilbert was going completely to a 5 Digit Numbering system.  The Pennsy 0-6-0 Switcher has a 5 digit number 21004.  This locomotive also used the XA14A513 two prong plug connection. The same as all the steam locomotives in 1958.  I believe that the Gilbert factory most likely did an inventory and found that there were quite a few 3 digit pieces and most likely cut back or did not do any major train production that year.  Steve's 293 was most likely a 1957 production of what a 5 digit 21099 would be.  1958 was the last year of Pacific Boiler with the feedwater heater  on top of the boiler along with the last year of the 0-8-0 Switcher and the K5 Pacific. There were no split frames until 1959.  All 5 digit 1958 frames were solid.
Taking that into consideration, plus the fact why would someone remove the 21099 shell and replace it with a 293 shell.  The 21099 is worth about $400 or $500.  I believe Steve's 293 is worth at least that.  You will have to give me the number of the Atlantic worth that much.
Tom Seccia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59598 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: I have uploaded videos
Thanks Gary,

That is some good stuff going on there. I see blue foam, Woodland
Scenics, Anormal smoke, Flyer, SHS and American Models things all
working together on the way to greatness. Please keep us posted.

I like a feeder every 3 to 4 feet. Some of my track is vintage and I do
not trust the rail-to-rail electrical connections.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gary Chidester
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] I have uploaded videos


My sons and I have been working on the new layout today. The incline
starters showed up in the mail today so we were able to start working on
the inner loop. Of course we can't stop running just because we are
working on the layout! I decided to try shooting some video and this is
what we ended up with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bfRj__KHjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yYnTPFiAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghbyf7MHCg

We've got a lot of work still ahead, but it's the journey, not the
destination, right?


How many feeder lines do you guys run on your track?

gary
Group: S-Trains Message: 59599 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....
Don,

it is about time you broke the news. O:)!

February 11, 2010 I believe is the date for little Maya to make her entrance.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: e-group ; S Train e-group
Cc: e_group
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS blatant commercialism....



This week at SHS…

I guess I have to start with the happy news in the Thompson
household. Our eldest son Ben and wife Sprite gave Robin and I our
first grand child. Baby Maya was born three week ago in Fayetteville,
NC. Ben is stationed at Ft. Bragg and is deployed to the
Philippines. He is now home on two weeks maternity leave. So, if the
we do not seem to be running up to speed I would like to apologies,
but Robin has been with Sprite and I just returned this week.

Before Maya’s early appearance, Robin had just finished our SHS
Winter 2010 Update. We mailed them out after Robin and Sprite left
NJ. Bill has posted these at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V21N1.pdf

The current order form was posted at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V21N1OF.pdf

We need to apologies to our hobby shop owners, unfortunately, our
Hobby Shop Newsletter was not completed and mailed. So if you try to
order items at your favorite hobby shop, you may get some strange
looks. Please understand.

Our next new shipment of freight cars will be the composite and USRA
two bay open top hoppers… These have been completed and are waiting
to be shipped. We hope to see these in April.

For the USRA we are offering B&O (large letter scheme), Reading (new
numbers) and another run of Waddells (I think this will be the 4th run).

For the composite, new numbers for the AT&SF, C&O, CB&Q, PRR and LV

If you do not have one on order, they can be reserved at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers_in_stock.html

http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html

We are now taking deposits on our 2010 Christmas Car. The car is a
D&H blue and yellow Bethlehem Steel two bay open top hopper. We have
not made a final decision on the load. The prototype was used to haul
recycled glass and we are trying to procure this type of load.
Otherwise, it will be a coal load with snow. If you reserve your car
now with a deposit, this will lock in the current price. You can
order as well as sell an image of the decorations of this car on our
home page at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/

Other items that are featured for Advanced Orders in this update are
the next run of Rebuilt boxcars….

http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html

And a new number for our Baby Ruth Reefer….

http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Next container….

We expect a shipment from our builder next week. It includes the out
of stock flex track and uncouplers that sold so well this past
Christmas season.

http://www.showcaseline.com/track/FlexTrack.html

New items….

In February a new item was delivered. Tom Stoltz (of Tom’s
requested this item to aid in building switches using our rail. These
are the same as our #00660 rail joiners, but are unweathered which
makes for easier soldering. The MSRP for this item is $6.95 (for 36)
and can be found on the following webpage:

http://www.showcaseline.com/track/TrackAccessories.html

Lastly…Top 5 items purchased in February…

#5 Canadian Pacific Stock Cars (#01983 & 4)

#2 (tie) NH 2 bay open hopper 3 car set (#01188)

#2 (tie) LV SW9 (#01251 & 2)

#2 (tie) FEC SW9 (#01247 & 8)

#1 3M MINX double sheathed boxcar (#02056 & 7)

Honorable mention – we usually do not mention track sales, but the
truth be told, we sold more just in stock #00292 25” 30˚ curved
track than all the others combined.

I hope everyone has a Happy St. Pat’s Day…

Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59600 From: navmedguy Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Aftermarket Smoke
hello all,

I'd like to add smoke to a 300 atlantic. My search for an aftermarket smoke unit returned only the Turbo Smoke unit manufactured by Train America Studies, but this doesn't seem to be available anymore.

I've installed sound and TMCC in the previously empty tender, so there's room under the boiler where the e-unit used to be.

Does anyone have some tips on adding smoke or a link to an available aftermarket unit that would fit in a 300 boiler?

Thanks again.

dr y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59601 From: Dave Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Civil War Box Car Decals
We are now offering a 4 car set of CIVIL WAR (UNION) BOX CAR DECALS marked for the UNITED STATES MILITARY RAIL ROAD. The numbers are #187, #192, #196 & #198 there are enough in each section to do 2 box cars.
COST: $27.99 ea. 4 car set which includes shipping. They may also be purchased seperately for $7.99 ea. which also includes shipping.
For interested parties please use the link below:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html

For further info. please contact us OFF LIST.
Thank you for your time and continuing support.
Dave

LBR Restoratins U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59602 From: A E Johnson Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Congrats
Congratulation to the Thompson family. Life at your house will change.
Grandkids are grand. Your job now is to spoil them.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59603 From: The Laniers Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
Has anyone checked the date stamping on any of these unusual locos? Haven't seen anyone mention that.

paflyrman


From: Bill Drake
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:10 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293



I have been on the sidelines on this but have something to add. I have a 326 with two position reverse, plug connector and plastic tender. I think that Gilbert used up existing shells with paint and lettering already on them. There was no reason for a toy company to worry about consistency. The economics of production would be to utilize the parts on hand and make the shipment.

This Hudson with a 5 digit boiler would be more valuable than a 326 so why would I or anyone else change it out. My mother got it for me from a garage sale in the early 1980's so there wouldn't seem to have been another collector in the chain. When I reported it to the Greenberg organization I was asked to carefully check it over and send photos. After a time they let me know that they had discovered several of these. It seems reasonable to me that Steve's loco is legit. As to value, it is a transition piece with a combination of 3 digit and 5 digit characteristics and it is unusual. To some it is interesting, others it is irritating but I think it is kind of like the red cab crane, odd enough that collectors of very rare pieces will be interested, but most folks aren't - certainly not at a premium price. There is little or no extra operator interest - like there might be in a 285 (has a whistle speaker in tender), over a more common piece. Steve can ask
what he wants for it and if someone with the extra collecting area interest wants it and is willing to pay what Steve wants, then the worth for that moment and for those two individuals has been established - maybe to find its way into the "guides" for the next person who uncovers one.

Just one more viewpoint -

Bill Drake
in SUNNY St. Louis, first day in 95 days over 60 degrees F. A new record.

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 9:11 PM



Hi Alistair,
Some of you guys have been beating up on Steve pretty good. Let me give you a few things to consider on Steve's 293. In 1957 it appears that Gilbert was going completely to a 5 Digit Numbering system. The Pennsy 0-6-0 Switcher has a 5 digit number 21004. This locomotive also used the XA14A513 two prong plug connection. The same as all the steam locomotives in 1958. I believe that the Gilbert factory most likely did an inventory and found that there were quite a few 3 digit pieces and most likely cut back or did not do any major train production that year. Steve's 293 was most likely a 1957 production of what a 5 digit 21099 would be. 1958 was the last year of Pacific Boiler with the feedwater heater on top of the boiler along with the last year of the 0-8-0 Switcher and the K5 Pacific. There were no split frames until 1959. All 5 digit 1958 frames were solid.
Taking that into consideration, plus the fact why would someone remove the 21099 shell and replace it with a 293 shell. The 21099 is worth about $400 or $500. I believe Steve's 293 is worth at least that. You will have to give me the number of the Atlantic worth that much.
Tom Seccia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59604 From: michael prell Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Why didn't I think of that?
Stumpy,
Yours is the best arguement I've read yet defending "Old School'!
About a year ago i became inetersted in gathering old Erector sets for the purpose of building the things I never could as a kid. I soon became aware that Gilbert provided limited instruction but great illustrations as to what the various projects were to look like when completed. Although not stated, I do believe that old A.C. did this to get young minds to think and experiment. Not a bad idea. Old School didn't spoon feed. It wasn't easy, but it was challinging and it was fun! And we actually learned! How about THAT!
Mike


 
 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Why didn't I think of that?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 11:47 AM


 



While I've been pretty busy with Cindy's medicals and shoveling snow, I do still get to read S Trains sometimes. After reading about using dental floss and why no one thought of that before on this list, here's a possible reason:
Today, we're used to being able to buy whatever we need to build or repair something. Because of that, we don't use our "thinking caps." (There's an oldie you probably haven't heard for a while!)
Way back, before so much was so easily availible, almost everything had to created out of whatever was lying around. If you wanted to fix something or build something in model railroading, you HAD to be imaginative.
Heck, my Dad never threw anything away if he could figure out a use for it. He was a draftsman and architectual model builder well before outfits like Grant Line or Plastruct existed. One time he made tires for a forklift out of Cherrios painted black!
He could litterally "make anything from nothing." With the economy the way it is, he'd be handy to have around today. I just wish I was half as sharp as ol' Dad!
Stumpy Stone...creative Imagineer in Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59605 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Why didn't I think of that?
Mike, your mind must run like mine as I recently took up collecting and building erector sets of all kinds including the original Meccano. Great fun building things again. AC followed the limited instruction diagram method of the earlier manufacturer as that was Frank Hornby's intention too. A couple of pioneering US firms that were direct copies of Meccano, such as Strutco and American Model Builder actually provided more comprehensive instruction but it still required plenty of skill developing thinking. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: michael prell
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why didn't I think of that?



Stumpy,
Yours is the best arguement I've read yet defending "Old School'!
About a year ago i became inetersted in gathering old Erector sets for the purpose of building the things I never could as a kid. I soon became aware that Gilbert provided limited instruction but great illustrations as to what the various projects were to look like when completed. Although not stated, I do believe that old A.C. did this to get young minds to think and experiment. Not a bad idea. Old School didn't spoon feed. It wasn't easy, but it was challinging and it was fun! And we actually learned! How about THAT!
Mike



Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Why didn't I think of that?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 11:47 AM



While I've been pretty busy with Cindy's medicals and shoveling snow, I do still get to read S Trains sometimes. After reading about using dental floss and why no one thought of that before on this list, here's a possible reason:
Today, we're used to being able to buy whatever we need to build or repair something. Because of that, we don't use our "thinking caps." (There's an oldie you probably haven't heard for a while!)
Way back, before so much was so easily availible, almost everything had to created out of whatever was lying around. If you wanted to fix something or build something in model railroading, you HAD to be imaginative.
Heck, my Dad never threw anything away if he could figure out a use for it. He was a draftsman and architectual model builder well before outfits like Grant Line or Plastruct existed. One time he made tires for a forklift out of Cherrios painted black!
He could litterally "make anything from nothing." With the economy the way it is, he'd be handy to have around today. I just wish I was half as sharp as ol' Dad!
Stumpy Stone...creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59606 From: richs009 Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Smoke
Have you considered buying an Atlantic (#302, 303) chassis that already has a smoke and choo-choo unit and either swapping out the whole chassis or just using the smoke/choo-choo unit? I'm not sure whether the #300 chassis will accommodate a smoke/choo-choo unit, so maybe that isn't a good idea, as it would have to have the mounts for the gear and piston assembly for the choo-choo.

In any event, there seem to be a lot of loco chassis advertised on eBay. In my limited experience, all of the original AF smoke and choo-choo units I have do a much better job that the one Seuthe smoke unit I have in the Flyonel Mikado.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "navmedguy" <navmedguy@...> wrote:
>
> hello all,
>
> I'd like to add smoke to a 300 atlantic. My search for an aftermarket smoke unit returned only the Turbo Smoke unit manufactured by Train America Studies, but this doesn't seem to be available anymore.
>
> I've installed sound and TMCC in the previously empty tender, so there's room under the boiler where the e-unit used to be.
>
> Does anyone have some tips on adding smoke or a link to an available aftermarket unit that would fit in a 300 boiler?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> dr y
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59607 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
I thought of that - most bodies are rubber date stamped underneath. If the date coincides closely with the later numbered loco production then it could be legit. An earlier date would cast some doubt. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: The Laniers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293



Has anyone checked the date stamping on any of these unusual locos? Haven't seen anyone mention that.

paflyrman

From: Bill Drake
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:10 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293

I have been on the sidelines on this but have something to add. I have a 326 with two position reverse, plug connector and plastic tender. I think that Gilbert used up existing shells with paint and lettering already on them. There was no reason for a toy company to worry about consistency. The economics of production would be to utilize the parts on hand and make the shipment.

This Hudson with a 5 digit boiler would be more valuable than a 326 so why would I or anyone else change it out. My mother got it for me from a garage sale in the early 1980's so there wouldn't seem to have been another collector in the chain. When I reported it to the Greenberg organization I was asked to carefully check it over and send photos. After a time they let me know that they had discovered several of these. It seems reasonable to me that Steve's loco is legit. As to value, it is a transition piece with a combination of 3 digit and 5 digit characteristics and it is unusual. To some it is interesting, others it is irritating but I think it is kind of like the red cab crane, odd enough that collectors of very rare pieces will be interested, but most folks aren't - certainly not at a premium price. There is little or no extra operator interest - like there might be in a 285 (has a whistle speaker in tender), over a more common piece. Steve can ask
what he wants for it and if someone with the extra collecting area interest wants it and is willing to pay what Steve wants, then the worth for that moment and for those two individuals has been established - maybe to find its way into the "guides" for the next person who uncovers one.

Just one more viewpoint -

Bill Drake
in SUNNY St. Louis, first day in 95 days over 60 degrees F. A new record.

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 9:11 PM

Hi Alistair,
Some of you guys have been beating up on Steve pretty good. Let me give you a few things to consider on Steve's 293. In 1957 it appears that Gilbert was going completely to a 5 Digit Numbering system. The Pennsy 0-6-0 Switcher has a 5 digit number 21004. This locomotive also used the XA14A513 two prong plug connection. The same as all the steam locomotives in 1958. I believe that the Gilbert factory most likely did an inventory and found that there were quite a few 3 digit pieces and most likely cut back or did not do any major train production that year. Steve's 293 was most likely a 1957 production of what a 5 digit 21099 would be. 1958 was the last year of Pacific Boiler with the feedwater heater on top of the boiler along with the last year of the 0-8-0 Switcher and the K5 Pacific. There were no split frames until 1959. All 5 digit 1958 frames were solid.
Taking that into consideration, plus the fact why would someone remove the 21099 shell and replace it with a 293 shell. The 21099 is worth about $400 or $500. I believe Steve's 293 is worth at least that. You will have to give me the number of the Atlantic worth that much.
Tom Seccia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59608 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Parts
Yes Mike, It's out there but you have to hunt for it. Same with the tan
braided fishing line used on the 644 red or brown cranes which I found a
whole spool of. Identical to the original.
Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59609 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Painted 971 Mo & Joe operating flatcar for sale
It's in such beautiful shape I thought it was the unpainted version, but upon closer inspection, I find it is painted on black plastic.  There are a few scratches underneath that show the black plastic underneath.  It is the car shown on my website:

      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_freights.html

Unfortunately, I can no longer update the website to correct the listing becauseYahoo has shut down its geocities service that hosts the site.  (I've got to make the time to finish moving the site to the new server!)

I bought some repro boards for it from Tom at Triple-S so now it has those.  The button and #712 Automatic Track Rail are in Florida; I have asked that they be sent to me ASAP.  (This is part of the big collection I have been handling for a widow and her daughter.)

The 2010 Greenberg book lists it at $620.  With the repro boards and no button or Track Rail, I call it Ex- and figure it should be worth at least $575 in Greenberg dollars.  Make offer.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59610 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/7/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59611 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Chat Room Software Update Will Require you to re-register
Hello All,

Some have been having problems with the chat room so I thought I was worthwhile to try the latest version of the software to see if it fixes problems.

In the process it seems to have lost the users accounts, so you will need to re-register or just enter the room unregistered, your choice.

You will also have to choose your colors and avatar again as well.

I apologize for this and look forward to seeing you in chat!

Chuck Harrington
http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/
Group: S-Trains Message: 59612 From: clayton deich Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
 I just went to a junk shop found some very old fishing line from the 40's or 50's and used that, and it looks like the same stuff that AC used too. I paid .25 per spool of line, and the guy said take it all. Ok, I did...
 Clayton  Oregon

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 6:33 PM
















 









Hi Carlton,

  Do they sell dental floss in black or green?

Tom Seccia



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From: Crpntr12449@ aol.com <Crpntr12449@ aol.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 8:39 PM



 



Under the heading "Now Why Didn't I Think of That?", anybody give any



thought to dental floss? Have you ever tried to tear that stuff?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59613 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Smoke
Unless you really like a challenge, I would suggest buying a 302 or a 303 with a smoke unit.  I not sure what an aftermarket smoke unit would cost, but I sell rebuilt American Flyer smoke units for $30.00.  You would also need hardware to mount the new smoke unit.  American Flyer Atlantic locomotives that smoke have a provision and design to mount the smoke unit.  A 300 is designed for a Reverse Unit in the boiler.  I'm almost positive you can't get a Lionel smoke unit to fit.  Rich made the same suggestion.  Please consider a smoking Atlantic.
Tom Seccia


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From: navmedguy <navmedguy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Aftermarket Smoke
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:45 PM







 









hello all,



I'd like to add smoke to a 300 atlantic. My search for an aftermarket smoke unit returned only the Turbo Smoke unit manufactured by Train America Studies, but this doesn't seem to be available anymore.



I've installed sound and TMCC in the previously empty tender, so there's room under the boiler where the e-unit used to be.



Does anyone have some tips on adding smoke or a link to an available aftermarket unit that would fit in a 300 boiler?



Thanks again.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59614 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Aftermarket smoke
In the case of the old Flyer #300 Atlantic, I would have suggested putting a later smoke unit chassis chassis under the earlier loco as Rich suggested. I've done two of my own. The early reverse in boiler chassis do not have the molded in stantion for the smoke unit drive and cannot be modified to add it.
The problem with swapping chassis in your case is that you have already installed the other equipment inside. There will not be enough space for the old smoke unit and chassis, which takes up most of the space inside the boiler shell.
You could put the electronics in the tender and use the later smoke unit chassis.
I find that the old Flyer smoke units are second only to the MTH fan driven smoke units for smoke production. Suethe's element types are far down the food chain for smoke production and somewhat fragile by comparison.
Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher...in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59615 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Rare 293
A date stamp is not a factor in this case.  The last run of 293 shells was most likely 1956, but it could be 1957.  You might want to take a look at the 1957 American Flyer Catalog on page 13.  The listing shows the locomotive as 21095, but the picture is of a 293.  In the 1958 Catalog  on page 13, the listing reads 21099 with electronic whistle but the picture is of a 293.  Price guides list the 293 with reverse on car as 1957 uncataloged.
The advertising in these two catalogs puts the facts together  Price guides show this locomotive.  I've seen these at trains shows.  The locomotive does exist.  You can dispute the price if you want, but you can't dispute the fact that it is rare.
� Tom Seccia

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From: The Laniers <hblanier@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:20 PM







 









Has anyone checked the date stamping on any of these unusual locos? Haven't seen anyone mention that.



paflyrman



From: Bill Drake

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:10 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293



I have been on the sidelines on this but have something to add. I have a 326 with two position reverse, plug connector and plastic tender. I think that Gilbert used up existing shells with paint and lettering already on them. There was no reason for a toy company to worry about consistency. The economics of production would be to utilize the parts on hand and make the shipment.



This Hudson with a 5 digit boiler would be more valuable than a 326 so why would I or anyone else change it out. My mother got it for me from a garage sale in the early 1980's so there wouldn't seem to have been another collector in the chain. When I reported it to the Greenberg organization I was asked to carefully check it over and send photos. After a time they let me know that they had discovered several of these. It seems reasonable to me that Steve's loco is legit. As to value, it is a transition piece with a combination of 3 digit and 5 digit characteristics and it is unusual. To some it is interesting, others it is irritating but I think it is kind of like the red cab crane, odd enough that collectors of very rare pieces will be interested, but most folks aren't - certainly not at a premium price. There is little or no extra operator interest - like there might be in a 285 (has a whistle speaker in tender), over a more common piece. Steve can ask

what he wants for it and if someone with the extra collecting area interest wants it and is willing to pay what Steve wants, then the worth for that moment and for those two individuals has been established - maybe to find its way into the "guides" for the next person who uncovers one.



Just one more viewpoint -



Bill Drake

in SUNNY St. Louis, first day in 95 days over 60 degrees F. A new record.



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rare 293

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 9:11 PM



Hi Alistair,

Some of you guys have been beating up on Steve pretty good. Let me give you a few things to consider on Steve's 293. In 1957 it appears that Gilbert was going completely to a 5 Digit Numbering system. The Pennsy 0-6-0 Switcher has a 5 digit number 21004. This locomotive also used the XA14A513 two prong plug connection. The same as all the steam locomotives in 1958. I believe that the Gilbert factory most likely did an inventory and found that there were quite a few 3 digit pieces and most likely cut back or did not do any major train production that year. Steve's 293 was most likely a 1957 production of what a 5 digit 21099 would be. 1958 was the last year of Pacific Boiler with the feedwater heater on top of the boiler along with the last year of the 0-8-0 Switcher and the K5 Pacific. There were no split frames until 1959. All 5 digit 1958 frames were solid.

Taking that into consideration, plus the fact why would someone remove the 21099 shell and replace it with a 293 shell. The 21099 is worth about $400 or $500. I believe Steve's 293 is worth at least that. You will have to give me the number of the Atlantic worth that much.

Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59616 From: Ben Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: AF circus wagons
I went to the Lancaster Convention Center for a Greenberg show and after the tight parking enjoyed a fairly good and well-attended show. I was able to purchase the metal repro AF circus wagons I had looked at at the York Greenberg show, and a a reduced price. I was a happy camper to be able to add a variation of the wagon load to my collection.

I am always looking for those rare pre-Gilbert Allied circus wagons in yellow, green, and light blue variations. If anyone has any leads, I would be most grateful. It seems the folks who have these tend to keep them...and they come along so rarely. I have not been able to land a single one for my collection, but the search will always be on.

Thanks! Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 59617 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: MTH AF accessories
In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59618 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
What lb test was that?


In a message dated 3/7/2010 5:43:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
uvl97222@... writes:




I just went to a junk shop found some very old fishing line from the 40's
or 50's and used that, and it looks like the same stuff that AC used too. I
paid .25 per spool of line, and the guy said take it all. Ok, I did...
Clayton Oregon

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(mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) > wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@trainsand_
(mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 6:33 PM



Hi Carlton,

Do they sell dental floss in black or green?

Tom Seccia

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From: Crpntr12449@ aol.com <Crpntr12449@ aol.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 8:39 PM

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Under the heading "Now Why Didn't I Think of That?", anybody give any

thought to dental floss? Have you ever tried to tear that stuff?

Carlton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59619 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: AF Panels.
http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-All-Aboard-28001_W0QQitemZ270542813641QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item3efd9bb9c9

Interesting that someone is making his own All Aboard Panels to sell so those who use All Aboard panels can expand their layouts with something a little different from what AF sold.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59620 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Hi Mike,
Anyone can make those accessories.  The patents ran out after 25 years.  I made reproduction 772A Checkerboard Towers, 774A Floodlight Towers and I was going to make some more items, but I got beat out by China.  Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer"    There are other products out there with American Flyer such as American Flyer luggage.   I still have some pictures on my website www.ssstrains.com
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:54 PM







 









In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59621 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Hi Clay,
� If it's green and 50 Lb or 20 LB test and you want to rid of some of it, please let me know how much you want for it. Harwood Owings is looking for some green.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:

From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:46 PM







 









I just went to a junk shop found some very old fishing line from the 40's or 50's and used that, and it looks like the same stuff that AC used too. I paid .25 per spool of line, and the guy said take it all. Ok, I did...

Clayton Oregon



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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 6:33 PM







Hi Carlton,



Do they sell dental floss in black or green?



Tom Seccia



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From: Crpntr12449@ aol.com <Crpntr12449@ aol.com>



Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 8:39 PM



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Under the heading "Now Why Didn't I Think of That?", anybody give any



thought to dental floss? Have you ever tried to tear that stuff?



Carlton



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59622 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?
I have a O gauge friend who needs to know how to do a reversing loop? I never made one and I do not know.

thanks for the help.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Parrish
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?


Hi, Mike...

I was just sitting here, running a 10-car freight around my the Desktop of my monitor using the TrainPlayer program by Jim Dill and his team. Of course, I used Lionel O-27 track templates and managed to come up with 5 reversing loops, all cleverly built into the layout. Building a reversing loop with 3-rail is no big problem. But then I thought of you with your 2-rail trains and wondered, "How difficult is it to design and wire a reversing loop with two-rail track?"

I have an N-gauge set that I have never designed a layout for. Wishing for the maximum amount of versatility, just how in the heck do you do a reverse loop where you have to change the polarity of the rails before the engine can make its way through the loop? Is there an easy way to do it?

If anyone knew how to do it, I was thinking it had to be you.

Thanks much.

Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59623 From: rick gough Date: 3/7/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
They aren't "exact".

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:14 PM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59624 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Well they sure look so much alike in appearance.

I am not asking about performance.

Could you expand on what you mean they are not exact, as I have the log Loader, saw mill, Gabe from MTH.

Mike
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From: rick gough
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories



They aren't "exact".

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59625 From: pkrae Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF:  Highway Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
ThanX
 
john jones
 
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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:22 PM


 



Hi Mike,
Anyone can make those accessories.  The patents ran out after 25 years.  I made reproduction 772A Checkerboard Towers, 774A Floodlight Towers and I was going to make some more items, but I got beat out by China.  Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer"    There are other products out there with American Flyer such as American Flyer luggage.   I still have some pictures on my website www.ssstrains. com
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:54 PM

 

In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59626 From: Bruce Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
Okay, so share Clayton.

Bruce




From: clayton deich
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions



I just went to a junk shop found some very old fishing line from the 40's or 50's and used that, and it looks like the same stuff that AC used too. I paid .25 per spool of line, and the guy said take it all. Ok, I did...
Clayton Oregon

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 6:33 PM



Hi Carlton,

Do they sell dental floss in black or green?

Tom Seccia

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From: Crpntr12449@ aol.com <Crpntr12449@ aol.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 8:39 PM

Â

Under the heading "Now Why Didn't I Think of That?", anybody give any

thought to dental floss? Have you ever tried to tear that stuff?

Carlton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59627 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?
Hi Mike

It is not hard to wire a reverse loop for two-rail track. You need some
form of a double-pole, double-throw (DPDT) electrical switch. The
section of track that will be the reversing section must be double
insulated. That is, both rails must be insulated from the connection
rails at both ends. That section of track should be large enough to hold
a complete train or at least as much of the train as has metal wheels.
Cars with plastic wheels don't figure into the issue.

The power to the reversing section is routed through the DPDT switch.
Wire it like the one near the bottom of this page:
http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_3.htm labeled DC Polarity.

When the switch is in one position, the rail power is a match at one end
of the reversing section. When the switch is thrown the other way, power
matches at the other end. That will do the job.

However, it is a little inconvenient because, when the train enters the
reversing section, we need to stop it, throw the switch and then throw
the reversing switch on the power pack. Start the train and it will
continue in the same direction and exit the loop smoothly. I find it a
little easier to never use the direction switch on the power pack.
Instead, I use one DPDT as the direction switch for the mainline and the
second for the reversing section. With that arrangement, I can keep the
train rolling by switching the mainline polarity while the train is in
the reversing section.

There is one more refinement to consider. Wire a dwarf signal (or any
other full-voltage light) across the gap in one rail at the end of the
reversing section. When that light is lit, the power is opposite
polarity and the train cannot proceed. Throw either the mainline or the
reversing section switch to make the rails match and the light will go
out. Put another signal at the other end.

Let me know how it works.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:52 PM
To: S trains
Cc: Doug Parrish
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?

I have a O gauge friend who needs to know how to do a reversing loop? I
never made one and I do not know.

thanks for the help.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Parrish
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?


Hi, Mike...

I was just sitting here, running a 10-car freight around my the Desktop
of my monitor using the TrainPlayer program by Jim Dill and his team. Of
course, I used Lionel O-27 track templates and managed to come up with 5
reversing loops, all cleverly built into the layout. Building a
reversing loop with 3-rail is no big problem. But then I thought of you
with your 2-rail trains and wondered, "How difficult is it to design and
wire a reversing loop with two-rail track?"

I have an N-gauge set that I have never designed a layout for. Wishing
for the maximum amount of versatility, just how in the heck do you do a
reverse loop where you have to change the polarity of the rails before
the engine can make its way through the loop? Is there an easy way to do
it?

If anyone knew how to do it, I was thinking it had to be you.

Thanks much.

Doug
Group: S-Trains Message: 59628 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Parts questions
50LB or 20 LB Braided Nylon Fishing Line.
                Tom Seccia

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From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:18 PM







 









What lb test was that?





In a message dated 3/7/2010 5:43:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

uvl97222@yahoo. com writes:



I just went to a junk shop found some very old fishing line from the 40's

or 50's and used that, and it looks like the same stuff that AC used too. I

paid .25 per spool of line, and the guy said take it all. Ok, I did...

Clayton Oregon



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From: Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@ trainsand_

(mailto:trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com) >

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions

To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com)

Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 6:33 PM



Hi Carlton,



Do they sell dental floss in black or green?



Tom Seccia



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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Parts questions



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 8:39 PM



Â



Under the heading "Now Why Didn't I Think of That?", anybody give any



thought to dental floss? Have you ever tried to tear that stuff?



Carlton



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59629 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
I think Lionel made a Highway Flasher for S, it might not be "exact" in appearance as I think it has a larger yellow base. I think you can see it at the Lionel webpage. You might have to search a bit.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: pkrae
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories



Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF: Highway Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
ThanX

john jones

<>


--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:22 PM



Hi Mike,
Anyone can make those accessories. The patents ran out after 25 years. I made reproduction 772A Checkerboard Towers, 774A Floodlight Towers and I was going to make some more items, but I got beat out by China. Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" There are other products out there with American Flyer such as American Flyer luggage. I still have some pictures on my website www.ssstrains. com
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:54 PM



In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59630 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: "American Flyer"
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
. . . . . . . . . . Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" . . . .
. . . . .
> > > > > > > > > >
--------Response-----------
Any volunteer to break the news to Lionel?
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 59631 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: SNS Trains Kill Bossie!!!!!
I was running my SNS track cleaning car yesterday behind an AF 283 and Bossie the cow meandered onto the track. The 283 tried to slow but did not come to a complete stop and it was the demise of Bossie! So I tried operating the talking station with a similar result. The 283 slowed and jerked but did not completely stop. If I remove the track cleaning car both accessories work perfectly.

So is the can motor in the track cleaning car somehow over riding the resistor in these accessories and allowing enough current to pass to the isolated track section to not fully stop the locomotive???? Or is something else going on here? Let's hear from the electrical engineers on this one!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59632 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] MTH AF accessories
Here is one explanation as I was not asking about performance of the MTH things, as I all these Accessories are MTH. they look and operate just fine.

Makes sense about the patents expiring.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jlechner2001
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:48 AM
Subject: [toytrains] MTH AF accessories



<< I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. >>

Lionel owns the AF name, plus any postwar tooling that is still usable, but any Gilbert patents expired decades ago. Anyone is free to make a copy of an AF train or accessory as long as they do not use the name AMERICAN FLYER on it.

With the recent collaboration between MTH and Lionel, it's possible that MTH could begin using the AF name on these accessories.

Joseph Lechner





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59633 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?
Thanks Bill, as I will pass this along to Doug.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?



Hi Mike

It is not hard to wire a reverse loop for two-rail track. You need some
form of a double-pole, double-throw (DPDT) electrical switch. The
section of track that will be the reversing section must be double
insulated. That is, both rails must be insulated from the connection
rails at both ends. That section of track should be large enough to hold
a complete train or at least as much of the train as has metal wheels.
Cars with plastic wheels don't figure into the issue.

The power to the reversing section is routed through the DPDT switch.
Wire it like the one near the bottom of this page:
http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_3.htm labeled DC Polarity.

When the switch is in one position, the rail power is a match at one end
of the reversing section. When the switch is thrown the other way, power
matches at the other end. That will do the job.

However, it is a little inconvenient because, when the train enters the
reversing section, we need to stop it, throw the switch and then throw
the reversing switch on the power pack. Start the train and it will
continue in the same direction and exit the loop smoothly. I find it a
little easier to never use the direction switch on the power pack.
Instead, I use one DPDT as the direction switch for the mainline and the
second for the reversing section. With that arrangement, I can keep the
train rolling by switching the mainline polarity while the train is in
the reversing section.

There is one more refinement to consider. Wire a dwarf signal (or any
other full-voltage light) across the gap in one rail at the end of the
reversing section. When that light is lit, the power is opposite
polarity and the train cannot proceed. Throw either the mainline or the
reversing section switch to make the rails match and the light will go
out. Put another signal at the other end.

Let me know how it works.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:52 PM
To: S trains
Cc: Doug Parrish
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?

I have a O gauge friend who needs to know how to do a reversing loop? I
never made one and I do not know.

thanks for the help.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Parrish
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: 2-Rail Reversing Loop...?

Hi, Mike...

I was just sitting here, running a 10-car freight around my the Desktop
of my monitor using the TrainPlayer program by Jim Dill and his team. Of
course, I used Lionel O-27 track templates and managed to come up with 5
reversing loops, all cleverly built into the layout. Building a
reversing loop with 3-rail is no big problem. But then I thought of you
with your 2-rail trains and wondered, "How difficult is it to design and
wire a reversing loop with two-rail track?"

I have an N-gauge set that I have never designed a layout for. Wishing
for the maximum amount of versatility, just how in the heck do you do a
reverse loop where you have to change the polarity of the rails before
the engine can make its way through the loop? Is there an easy way to do
it?

If anyone knew how to do it, I was thinking it had to be you.

Thanks much.

Doug





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59634 From: Glenn Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: 1938 Newsreel - New York Central Railroad
If you are interested here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1_ywPGzD5E&feature=geosearch


1938 Newsreel - New York Central Railroad
Posted by: "Glenn" gartrain404@... gartrain404
Sun Mar 7, 2010 2:27 pm (PST)


Know you are not all NYC guys but some great shots.....
A bit lengthy, but good to watch
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59635 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Sunday Chat - If You have not re-registered or picked your new Avata
Hello All,

I installed a new version of the software in the chat room Sunday afternoon and it seemed to work well Sunday night without people getting dropped out of chat. That is good...

As mentioned earlier, you must re-register for the chat room. If you enter and have a nasty insect looking Avatar, it means that your login has not been recognized by the system and you need to register again or re-enter your login information.

It is best to register, then login, and then from inside the chat room click on "Edit my Profile" in the right bar. At the top you can change your Avatar. I have replaced the stock FACES avatars with a variety 81 different train related icons / avatars. You can also link to your own jpeg or gif as before if you wish. Don't forget to click change at the bottom of the form when you are done.

If your avatar does not seem to update, I have found that sometimes the old one is being stored by your browser. Exiting the browser and relaunching will often cure this. Sometimes you need to clear the browser's cache, where it remembers recently accessed images.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Chuck Harrington
http://www.myflyertrains.org

Chat Room
http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59636 From: smokestacklightnin Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Hi - I am converting some link couplers to knuckle couplers on some old flyer stock. They are split rivet conversions. I recently bought a bunch of flyer repro knuckle couplers on ebay, and they were all junk. The uncoupler mechanism was too low, and it would easily break/fall off. I do have some steep(ish) grades on the layout. Does anyone have any suggestions on good knuckle coupler parts (or even new trucks if that is needed). I do have a number of cars, so the cheaper the better...but ultimately I'm looking for good quality. I have some SHS locos, and the couplers on those never fail.

Thanks,

-AJ
Group: S-Trains Message: 59637 From: pkrae Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Yes.....it's just that it does nothing to remind you of the charming AF one.  The base is HUGE (reminds one of the old VHS tape players!), no shanty, and the colors all wrong for AF.
 
john jones
 
<>
 


--- On Mon, 3/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:29 AM


 



I think Lionel made a Highway Flasher for S, it might not be "exact" in appearance as I think it has a larger yellow base. I think you can see it at the Lionel webpage. You might have to search a bit.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: pkrae
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories

Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF: Highway Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
ThanX

john jones

<>


--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:22 PM

Hi Mike,
Anyone can make those accessories. The patents ran out after 25 years. I made reproduction 772A Checkerboard Towers, 774A Floodlight Towers and I was going to make some more items, but I got beat out by China. Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" There are other products out there with American Flyer such as American Flyer luggage. I still have some pictures on my website www.ssstrains. com
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogrou p s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogro u ps.com>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:54 PM

In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59638 From: George Cohn Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
smokestacklightnin wrote:

> Hi - I am converting some link couplers to knuckle couplers on some old
> flyer stock. They are split rivet conversions. I recently bought a bunch
> of flyer repro knuckle couplers on ebay, and they were all junk. The
> uncoupler mechanism was too low, and it would easily break/fall off. I
> do have some steep(ish) grades on the layout. Does anyone have any
> suggestions on good knuckle coupler parts (or even new trucks if that is
> needed). I do have a number of cars, so the cheaper the better...but
> ultimately I'm looking for good quality. I have some SHS locos, and the
> couplers on those never fail.

I've ordered some couplers from several different vendors but haven't
received them yet. I've also had the weights fall off and the plastic
just seems "cheap" compared to the originals. I also ordered some repro
cast knuckle trucks to repair some junk cars I got on eBay so we'll see
how those go as well.

I know that Doug Peck, Hobby Surplus, and others stock both styles of
couplers and the trucks so I'm assuming they might be the Flyonel version.

We're probably lucky that we can get anything at all. I remember in the
'70's having to buy junk cars at train meets just for the couplers.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59639 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Hi,

the Lionel Highway flasher is not the one you are thinking about, but the plain one with no shanty. And yes, the base is wrong and the color is wrong.

But someone might be happy with that, as there are plenty of old AF ones for sale.

Me? I am using scale NJI signals.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: pkrae
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories



Yes.....it's just that it does nothing to remind you of the charming AF one. The base is HUGE (reminds one of the old VHS tape players!), no shanty, and the colors all wrong for AF.

john jones

<>


--- On Mon, 3/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:29 AM



I think Lionel made a Highway Flasher for S, it might not be "exact" in appearance as I think it has a larger yellow base. I think you can see it at the Lionel webpage. You might have to search a bit.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: pkrae
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories

Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF: Highway Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
ThanX

john jones

<>

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:22 PM

Hi Mike,
Anyone can make those accessories. The patents ran out after 25 years. I made reproduction 772A Checkerboard Towers, 774A Floodlight Towers and I was going to make some more items, but I got beat out by China. Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" There are other products out there with American Flyer such as American Flyer luggage. I still have some pictures on my website www.ssstrains. com
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogrou p s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogro u ps.com>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:54 PM

In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59640 From: rick gough Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - [S-Trains] Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Doug at Portlines sells very good ones.  Remember it is necessary to take the needle nose and almost straighten out the tongue from truck to coupler in order to raise it up off the track.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: smokestacklightnin <ajjohnson.pdx@...>
Subject: 06 - [S-Trains] Advice on Knuckle Couplers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 1:38 PM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59641 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 1938 Newsreel - New York Central Railroad
Brilliant! Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn
To: A/S-Trains ; A/S-Scale
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:05 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 1938 Newsreel - New York Central Railroad



If you are interested here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1_ywPGzD5E&feature=geosearch

1938 Newsreel - New York Central Railroad
Posted by: "Glenn" gartrain404@... gartrain404
Sun Mar 7, 2010 2:27 pm (PST)

Know you are not all NYC guys but some great shots.....
A bit lengthy, but good to watch
Here's to you Ed L.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59642 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Have you considered replacing the entire AF truck with SHS trucks with SHS
couplers already mounted?

I have never done this with AF cars but am considering doing it. I am not
sure what the best way to do this would be but I am sure there are some
members of this list who could help guide you (and me).

This may be a moot point to most on this list, but this option would also
allow the operator to use scale or highrail wheels. Not so moot would be a
drastic improvement in the rollability of the AF car regardless of whether
scale or highrail wheels were used.

- Earl Henry, Nashville
======================


In a message dated 3/8/2010 3:37:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ajjohnson.pdx@... writes:




Hi - I am converting some link couplers to knuckle couplers on some old
flyer stock. They are split rivet conversions. I recently bought a bunch of
flyer repro knuckle couplers on ebay, and they were all junk. The uncoupler
mechanism was too low, and it would easily break/fall off. I do have some
steep(ish) grades on the layout. Does anyone have any suggestions on good
knuckle coupler parts (or even new trucks if that is needed). I do have a
number of cars, so the cheaper the better...but ultimately I'm looking for
good quality. I have some SHS locos, and the couplers on those never fail.

Thanks,

-AJ





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59643 From: rick gough Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
I can't speak for log loader or saw mill; MTH may have cut a deal with Lionel. The Gabes, I have both, and they are different. MTH is over 1" taller and requires manually turning on the lights while lionel incorporates a micro switch with which Gabe, all by himself, actually does his job and turns the lights on.  Something the origional Gilbert one should have but didn't do. I think the Lionel one is true in proportion to the Gilbert.  I have also heard of differences, at least in mechanisms, between the two coal loaders.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 6:41 AM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59644 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: "American Flyer"
Well, who does own it?
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] "American Flyer"




----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
. . . . . . . . . . Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" . . . .
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Any volunteer to break the news to Lionel?
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59645 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: AF circus wagons
Hi Ben, to you check out ebay for them?
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:06 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] AF circus wagons




I went to the Lancaster Convention Center for a Greenberg show and after the tight parking enjoyed a fairly good and well-attended show. I was able to purchase the metal repro AF circus wagons I had looked at at the York Greenberg show, and a a reduced price. I was a happy camper to be able to add a variation of the wagon load to my collection.

I am always looking for those rare pre-Gilbert Allied circus wagons in yellow, green, and light blue variations. If anyone has any leads, I would be most grateful. It seems the folks who have these tend to keep them...and they come along so rarely. I have not been able to land a single one for my collection, but the search will always be on.

Thanks! Ben







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59646 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
MTH Gabe works like the original A.C. Gilbert version with a three button control. Lionel Gabe works differently with a two button control.  Lionel made a version of the 752A Coal Loader.  MTH made a version of the 785 Coal Loader.  Both companies use can motors.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:

From: rick gough <racin510@...>
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 5:00 PM







 









I can't speak for log loader or saw mill; MTH may have cut a deal with Lionel. The Gabes, I have both, and they are different. MTH is over 1" taller and requires manually turning on the lights while lionel incorporates a micro switch with which Gabe, all by himself, actually does his job and turns the lights on. Something the origional Gilbert one should have but didn't do. I think the Lionel one is true in proportion to the Gilbert. I have also heard of differences, at least in mechanisms, between the two coal loaders.



rick gough

mudshark datsun

510 racing



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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 6:41 AM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59647 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Hi AJ,
� There are better repro couplers out there.
� Tom Seccia

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From: smokestacklightnin <ajjohnson.pdx@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Advice on Knuckle Couplers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 3:50 PM







 









Hi - I am converting some link couplers to knuckle couplers on some old flyer stock. They are split rivet conversions. I recently bought a bunch of flyer repro knuckle couplers on ebay, and they were all junk. The uncoupler mechanism was too low, and it would easily break/fall off. I do have some steep(ish) grades on the layout. Does anyone have any suggestions on good knuckle coupler parts (or even new trucks if that is needed). I do have a number of cars, so the cheaper the better...but ultimately I'm looking for good quality. I have some SHS locos, and the couplers on those never fail.



Thanks,



-AJ

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59648 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: "American Flyer"
Hi Harwood,
� No one.  Anyone can use American Flyer.  People have been doing this for years.  Kughn started that registered name stuff when he bought Lionel.  They had the name registered for some time and they did not register the name again.  No one ever challenged it in court.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "American Flyer"
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 6:17 PM







 











Well, who does own it?

Harwood



-----Original Message-----

From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@comcast. net>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02 pm

Subject: [S-Trains] "American Flyer"



----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

. . . . . . . . . . Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" . . . .

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Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59649 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: "American Flyer"
Hi Tom,
� I believe the name they register their trains is A.C Gilbert etc. Should be on the new boxes.  They changed their name from LTI to Lionel Trains LLC.  They may own the name Lionel Trains but they don't own the name Lionel.  If you do a serach on the internet you should come up with many companies using the name American Flyer.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote:

From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] "American Flyer"
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 1:02 PM







 









----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

. . . . . . . . . . Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" . . . .

. . . . .

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Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59650 From: valiantmike72 Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
The Lionel highway flasher is a repro of AF's 582 flashing signal made from 1946 to 1948. Original 582s are hard to find. I believe you are thinking of the 760 highway flasher. I doubt a repro will be made as originals are easy to find and not in high demand

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> the Lionel Highway flasher is not the one you are thinking about, but the plain one with no shanty. And yes, the base is wrong and the color is wrong.
>
> But someone might be happy with that, as there are plenty of old AF ones for sale.
>
> Me? I am using scale NJI signals.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pkrae
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
>
>
>
> Yes.....it's just that it does nothing to remind you of the charming AF one. The base is HUGE (reminds one of the old VHS tape players!), no shanty, and the colors all wrong for AF.
>
> john jones
>
> <>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:29 AM
>
>
>
> I think Lionel made a Highway Flasher for S, it might not be "exact" in appearance as I think it has a larger yellow base. I think you can see it at the Lionel webpage. You might have to search a bit.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pkrae
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
>
> Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF: Highway Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
> ThanX
>
> john jones
>
> <>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:22 PM
>
> Hi Mike,
> Anyone can make those accessories. The patents ran out after 25 years. I made reproduction 772A Checkerboard Towers, 774A Floodlight Towers and I was going to make some more items, but I got beat out by China. Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" There are other products out there with American Flyer such as American Flyer luggage. I still have some pictures on my website www.ssstrains. com
> Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:
>
> From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
> Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
> To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogrou p s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogro u ps.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:54 PM
>
> In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59651 From: afjerryk5 Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: "American Flyer"
Back in the"OOLLLD"days one of my buddies had an"American Flyer" bike.It was a 3speed"English"style.Also recall seeing"American Flyer" sleds.That crossing signal You're referring to is a repro of a'46 and prewar model.
Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 59652 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
I was told on the TCA list that if a patent is expired, anyone can make the item, except they can not use a name on it , if the name is still owned by someone.

As for the MTH Gabe, yes, that is correct.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: rick gough
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories



I can't speak for log loader or saw mill; MTH may have cut a deal with Lionel. The Gabes, I have both, and they are different. MTH is over 1" taller and requires manually turning on the lights while lionel incorporates a micro switch with which Gabe, all by himself, actually does his job and turns the lights on. Something the origional Gilbert one should have but didn't do. I think the Lionel one is true in proportion to the Gilbert. I have also heard of differences, at least in mechanisms, between the two coal loaders.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: 06 - Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 6:41 AM

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59653 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Hi Mike,
� The accessories are exact with the exception that MTH & Lionel uses can motors.  Gilbert used stators and armatures in their accessories.   The coal loaders run faster because can motors are usually rated 12 volts.  The Lionel Oil Drum Loader needs a resistor to slow it down.  I believe Doug Peck - Port Lines may have a hardware kit to slow down the coal loaders.   The Sawmill and the Oil Drum Loader may have different colors, but the physical appearance is exactly as Gilberts.
� Tom Seccia


--- On Mon, 3/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 6:20 AM







 









Well they sure look so much alike in appearance.



I am not asking about performance.



Could you expand on what you mean they are not exact, as I have the log Loader, saw mill, Gabe from MTH.



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: rick gough

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories



They aren't "exact".



rick gough

mudshark datsun

510 racing



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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories

To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59654 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Thanks as to me, someone with out the technical skills, all of the MTH things I am using are fine. I am using a AF oil drum loader that I customized to look better, paper brick on the house, painted the roof and barrel ramp green and the base aged concrete. The man and the cart I left alone.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories



Hi Mike,
� The accessories are exact with the exception that MTH & Lionel uses can motors. Gilbert used stators and armatures in their accessories. The coal loaders run faster because can motors are usually rated 12 volts. The Lionel Oil Drum Loader needs a resistor to slow it down. I believe Doug Peck - Port Lines may have a hardware kit to slow down the coal loaders. The Sawmill and the Oil Drum Loader may have different colors, but the physical appearance is exactly as Gilberts.
� Tom Seccia


--- On Mon, 3/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 6:20 AM



Well they sure look so much alike in appearance.

I am not asking about performance.

Could you expand on what you mean they are not exact, as I have the log Loader, saw mill, Gabe from MTH.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: rick gough

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories

They aren't "exact".

rick gough

mudshark datsun

510 racing

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Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories

To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59655 From: Dave Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: OLD MOTOR TRUCKS
We now offer 5 differant trailers to go with the tractors that are on our web site. The prices range between $10.00 and $12.00 ea. plus S&H. For interested members please use the link below to view:

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View near bottom of page.
For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF LIST.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59656 From: Bob Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Winter Issue Update
Good afternoon. I received the proof of the Winter, 2010 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine yesterday from the printer and approved it. My rep was able to get Pre-production to do the proof on Friday. This usually takes about a week to do and get it to me, so this was a great time saver!

Last issue came close to selling out and this one will get even closer, thanks to a group of new subscribers. If your subscription ran out with the Fall, 2009 (Vol. 10, #4) or earlier, it is really important to re-subscribe as soon as possible. Remember, you can subscribe online at: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com. Not sure about your subscription status? Just drop me a line at: Bobnalbone04@... (the subscriptions e-mail account on the Website still has issues, so please don't use that one for now).

Current subscribers are, of course, guaranteed their issue!

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher

P.S. The Spring, 2010 issue is shaping up to be a good one, too!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59657 From: mike Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Mikado smoke unit is finally fixed
Hi all,
so here is the story. i got a brand new C&O AF Mikado for christmas. when i put it on my layout and ran it the smoke unit sucked, the smoke would not come out of the smoke stack. so, i took it to a lionel service station to have them fix it back in Jan. They had it for 2 months and said that they could not do anything about it. "its just how that smoke unit works". Yeah right, $%^&$ you Train Depot in Manassas. So, i brought it home after an hour drive from my house. I decided to open it up so i followed Carl's instructions on his web site, Thank you! i then say that the wire from the on off switch was hanging on by a single strand of wire. so i cut it and re saudered it and put it on my track and it works amazingly!!! so my conclusion is that 1. I will never go to train depo in manassas ever again. and 2. i am not wasting my time or money on new Flyinel.
Mike J.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59658 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF circus wagons
Regularly I check eBay for these early wagons. They show up very rarely, and when they do the auction always mysteriously ends early. My hunch is someone with deep pockets e-mails the seller a ridiculous price and the seller goes for it every time. It is illegal on eBay, but who could prove it?

There are some collectors in TCA with large collections of these wagons. I am just never in the right place and the right time...and at the really right time (1960's and 70s) I was not around the toy train bust (born in '75!)

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59659 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Thanks for the clarification as yes, I was thinking of the 760 one.

Actually having a shed by the signal is real life is not the case usually, as I understand that is how they hid the bell mechanism.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: valiantmike72
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH AF accessories



The Lionel highway flasher is a repro of AF's 582 flashing signal made from 1946 to 1948. Original 582s are hard to find. I believe you are thinking of the 760 highway flasher. I doubt a repro will be made as originals are easy to find and not in high demand

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> the Lionel Highway flasher is not the one you are thinking about, but the plain one with no shanty. And yes, the base is wrong and the color is wrong.
>
> But someone might be happy with that, as there are plenty of old AF ones for sale.
>
> Me? I am using scale NJI signals.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pkrae
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
>
>
>
> Yes.....it's just that it does nothing to remind you of the charming AF one. The base is HUGE (reminds one of the old VHS tape players!), no shanty, and the colors all wrong for AF.
>
> john jones
>
> <>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:29 AM
>
>
>
> I think Lionel made a Highway Flasher for S, it might not be "exact" in appearance as I think it has a larger yellow base. I think you can see it at the Lionel webpage. You might have to search a bit.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pkrae
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
>
> Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF: Highway Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
> ThanX
>
> john jones
>
> <>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:22 PM
>
> Hi Mike,
> Anyone can make those accessories. The patents ran out after 25 years. I made reproduction 772A Checkerboard Towers, 774A Floodlight Towers and I was going to make some more items, but I got beat out by China. Lionel does not own the name "American Flyer" There are other products out there with American Flyer such as American Flyer luggage. I still have some pictures on my website www.ssstrains. com
> Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:
>
> From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
> Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
> To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogrou p s.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogro u ps.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:54 PM
>
> In working on the layout today, seeing accessories boxes for MTH that where for AF, I am wondering how MTH was able to make exact reproductions of AF items, when Lionel owns the name AF as I do not think AF appears on the MTH things, but you know they are exact duplicates. How was MTH able to do this.
>
> Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59660 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Tom,

You can get a rheostat at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks to slow down the accessories. It's quick and easy.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>   The accessories are exact with the exception that MTH & Lionel uses can motors.  Gilbert used stators and armatures in their accessories.   The coal loaders run faster because can motors are usually rated 12 volts.  The Lionel Oil Drum Loader needs a resistor to slow it down.  I believe Doug Peck - Port Lines may have a hardware kit to slow down the coal loaders.   The Sawmill and the Oil Drum Loader may have different colors, but the physical appearance is exactly as Gilberts.
>   Tom Seccia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59661 From: aztecfan Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: my flashers
Visit my folder kit bashing. I up loaded a Lexmark Christmas flasher.
I cut off the head of a plastic pin to make a bell. Then I cut a slice of a plastic tube to make what will look like a medal band to hold on the bell. I cut down the Lexmark pole and glued on the bell.

The idea is to use a photo sensor from MMT.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59662 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: MTH (sic.) AF Accessories
Lionel has made a very good copy of the No. 582 Blinker Signal that was
done by Gilbert from 1946 to 48. It is intended as a crossing flasher and has
the correct yellow base and black cross buck (originals had either white
cross bucks with white lettering or black cross bucks with white lettering).
The L-AF No. 582 has a micro-circuit in its base that causes two red LED's
to alternate when activated. Recommended for those who want a modern
flasher with an original Gilbert "feel".

The yellow base on the original 582's have an oversized appearance because
that is where the light bulb is housed. The original No. 582's are very
pricey and do not work well because the illumination from the bulb in the
base has to be transmitted up a Lucite rod in the upright and can be viewed
only in a darkened room. The No. 582 (Gilbert and L-AF repro), by the way, is
smaller (shorter) and closer to S scale than the very common No. 760.

The No. 760 Highway Flasher with gray base was made in great abundance by
Gilbert and nice originals are very easy to find. The No. 23791
Cow-on-Track, the No. 759 Bell Danger Signal, and the No. 600 Highway Crossing Gate
with Bell (Shanty) have never been reproduced. Gilbert 23791's and 759's can
be found with a bit of effort.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 3/8/2010 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF: Highway
Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and
the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
ThanX

john jones



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59663 From: grdobbs Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Highway Flasher
I don't like any of the toy train highway flashers. I an
currently using railroad crossing flashers from a Christmas village,
these are very close to scale and are battery powered red LED's. I use a
relay to activate the flashers, so they will only operate when the
transformer is on, the batteries last for years. I trigger the relay
with a number of # 697 track trip, which can be used on two & three
track crossings, and on both sides of the crossing. The relay has a
capacitor wired across it to act as a timer, every time a train car wheel
hits the #697, it charges the capacitor, which activates the relay and
starts the crossing flasher. the larger the capacitor the longer it will
flash, and only when the transformer is turned on.

Jerry HR77-11644
____________________________________________________________
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59664 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF circus wagons
Just hang on Ben - we baby boomers and older are getting past our Use by dates so in another ten years you will have them all at much less in real terms than their owners paid for them. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben and Lynn Stiles
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF circus wagons



Regularly I check eBay for these early wagons. They show up very rarely, and when they do the auction always mysteriously ends early. My hunch is someone with deep pockets e-mails the seller a ridiculous price and the seller goes for it every time. It is illegal on eBay, but who could prove it?

There are some collectors in TCA with large collections of these wagons. I am just never in the right place and the right time...and at the really right time (1960's and 70s) I was not around the toy train bust (born in '75!)

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59665 From: smuel10363@aol.com Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
i can never get on yhe chat what am i doing wrong


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59666 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/9/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Hi Bull,
� Thanks for the information.  I know there were quite a few ideas to slow the coal loaders.  I not sure if the Kit Doug Peck offers has a rheostat in it.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 4:36 PM

Tom,

You can get a rheostat at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks to slow down the accessories. It's quick and easy.
BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi Mike,

> The accessories are exact with the exception that MTH & Lionel uses can motors. Gilbert used stators and armatures in their accessories.  The coal loaders run faster because can motors are usually rated 12 volts. The Lionel Oil Drum Loader needs a resistor to slow it down. I believe Doug Peck - Port Lines may have a hardware kit to slow down the coal loaders.  The Sawmill and the Oil Drum Loader may have different colors, but the physical appearance is exactly as Gilberts.

> Tom Seccia

>

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59667 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: Highway Flasher
Most are too toy like, but many do like the AF ones, as I have about 8 of them which I never used, as again, I am using NJI signals.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: grdobbs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mlmarmer@... ; Doug@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Highway Flasher




I don't like any of the toy train highway flashers. I an
currently using railroad crossing flashers from a Christmas village,
these are very close to scale and are battery powered red LED's. I use a
relay to activate the flashers, so they will only operate when the
transformer is on, the batteries last for years. I trigger the relay
with a number of # 697 track trip, which can be used on two & three
track crossings, and on both sides of the crossing. The relay has a
capacitor wired across it to act as a timer, every time a train car wheel
hits the #697, it charges the capacitor, which activates the relay and
starts the crossing flasher. the larger the capacitor the longer it will
flash, and only when the transformer is turned on.

Jerry HR77-11644
__________________________________________________________
Love Spell
Click here to light up your life with a love spell!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=72UzS-W_1xfqY2sDMfhVrQAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA=




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59668 From: Gary Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: AF Mail car on DC
My track is DC voltage, so to get the mail car to pick up, it had to run on DC also. Does anyone know if this will hurt the cars solenoid?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59669 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm
AOL will NOT hook up wit Yahoo chat. You have to go around AOL by way of
internet explorer or some other navigator.

Steve

In a message dated 03/09/2010 6:49:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
smuel10363@... writes:




i can never get on yhe chat what am i doing wrong

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59670 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Can anyone tell us about when & where this reefer ran? Thanks. Paul S.


In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:11:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aftrains4u@... writes:




Hi Dave. Remember me? I purchased your latest A&P refrigerator boxcar.
Looks real nice. As you know I like anything that has to do with the NH
railroad. Also, take a look at my new website, www.americanflyertr Also,
take Have a great day.

Bob

________________________________
From: Dave <_lbrenterprisesllc@lbrenterp_
(mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 11:27:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer


We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a
photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company)
refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

_http://groups._ (http://groups./) yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/
photos/album/ 2099290812/ pic/1545814340/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal&
start=1&count= 20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59671 From: Dave Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Old Motor Truck Decal Sets
As promised, we have started to add decal sets for the OLD MOTOR TRUCKS offered on our web site. Presently we have the first 8 sets avaliable and many more to follow.
The next in line will be the SUPER HARD TO FIND "COOPER - JARRETT, INC." and "McLEAN TRUCKING COMPANY". These two are some of the most sought after names in the old time trucking industry.
For interested parties please use the link below to view just above the photos of the tractors near the bottom of the page.

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html

For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF LIST.
Thank you all for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59672 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Paul,
To our knowledge this car never ran anywhere. It was commissioned by one of our clients and we decided, because it looked so nice, that we would do 6 of them this year.
For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF LIST.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
dave@...

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Paul4Schil@... <Paul4Schil@...> wrote:


From: Paul4Schil@... <Paul4Schil@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:40 PM

Can anyone tell us about when & where this reefer ran? Thanks. Paul S.

In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:11:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aftrains4u@yahoo. com writes:

Hi Dave. Remember me? I purchased your latest A&P refrigerator boxcar.
Looks real nice. As you know I like anything that has to do with the NH
railroad. Also, take a look at my new website, www.americanflyertr Also,
take Have a great day.

Bob
___________ _________ _________ __
From: Dave <_lbrenterprisesllc @lbrenterp_
(mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com)
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 11:27:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&P Reefer

We have just added a new photo to our album here at the web site. It is a
photo of our NEW #1859 A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company)
refrigerator car. You can view by using the link below:

_http://groups. _ (http://groups. /) yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/
photos/album/ 2099290812/ pic/1545814340/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal&
start=1&count= 20&dir=asc

Thank you for your time in viewing.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59673 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Dear Paul,
Great question. The first thing that would run through my mind is
if this is a prototype scheme or freelance design with an A&P logo.
If it is freelance, then does it really matter where or when the
prototype ran? I know we have designed freelance paint scheme using
beer logos for several clubs. They look nice, but no one ever asked
us where they ran....
Don


On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Paul4Schil@... wrote:

> Can anyone tell us about when & where this reefer ran? Thanks. Paul S.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59674 From: donald abrams Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: MTH AF accessories
If I remember correctly I thought the repro coal loaders operated slower
than the originals?
I remember when the MTH repro of the 785 came out and watched it at the
local hobby shop.
I think paint dried faster than it could pick up and drop a bucket of
coal.
A short time after I think someone -- maybe one of our AF parts dealers
offered a gear retrofit in order to speed up the MTH coal loader.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Don't want to pass on bad information.
Don Abrams
TCA 84-20695
Group: S-Trains Message: 59675 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: AF mail car on DC
I am told that using the AC soleniod on DC will eventually de-magnetize the solenoid. However, I can't confirm that as I have yet to have that happen.
Since I run straight DC, I have purchsed the new action cars which have DC components in them to replace my old cars. They work even better than the originals, so I sold the old ones.
What few old trackside accessories I have run off AC.
Perhaps one of our resident electrical guys can give a more definitive answer?
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59676 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF mail car on DC
Hold the bone-a-phone there Stumpy.A soleniod is nothing more than a wire
wound coil.The plunger is nothing more than an iron rod. There should be no
bad effect from ac or dc use..The only thing at issue is polarity. Mike


In a message dated 3/10/2010 7:57:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:




I am told that using the AC soleniod on DC will eventually de-magnetize the
solenoid. However, I can't confirm that as I have yet to have that happen.
Since I run straight DC, I have purchsed the new action cars which have DC
components in them to replace my old cars. They work even better than the
originals, so I sold the old ones.
What few old trackside accessories I have run off AC.
Perhaps one of our resident electrical guys can give a more definitive
answer?
Stumpy in Appalachia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59677 From: Ben Perry Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: A&P Reefer
Greetings All;
Don, I can confirm the Narragansett Beer reefer graphics are correct. In the early 1920's the Narragansett Brewing Company, Cranston, RI, purchased 20 reefers from Fruit Growers Express. They were probably all gone by the start of WW II.
A&P did operate reefers in milk train service in the Chicago area. The basic color was green.
Regards.
Congratulations to you and Robin.
Ben




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59678 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Don, Actually it is a larger pulley that speeds up the operation. I believe I got mine from Port Lines Hobbies. Check out their web site and you will find it in their on-line accessories catalog.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, donald abrams <donabrams@...> wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly I thought the repro coal loaders operated slower
> than the originals?
> I remember when the MTH repro of the 785 came out and watched it at the
> local hobby shop.
> I think paint dried faster than it could pick up and drop a bucket of
> coal.
> A short time after I think someone -- maybe one of our AF parts dealers
> offered a gear retrofit in order to speed up the MTH coal loader.
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
> Don't want to pass on bad information.
> Don Abrams
> TCA 84-20695
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59679 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Yes, the MTH coaler ran slower and a new pulley is all that is needed to make it run very well.

Funny how my original question was how MTH was able to put out AF copies, but that is fine.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: donald abrams
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories



If I remember correctly I thought the repro coal loaders operated slower
than the originals?
I remember when the MTH repro of the 785 came out and watched it at the
local hobby shop.
I think paint dried faster than it could pick up and drop a bucket of
coal.
A short time after I think someone -- maybe one of our AF parts dealers
offered a gear retrofit in order to speed up the MTH coal loader.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Don't want to pass on bad information.
Don Abrams
TCA 84-20695





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59680 From: pkrae Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: MTH (sic.) AF Accessories
ThanX for the updated info!
 
john jones
 
<>
 


--- On Mon, 3/8/10, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote:


From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH (sic.) AF Accessories
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:19 PM


 



Lionel has made a very good copy of the No. 582 Blinker Signal that was
done by Gilbert from 1946 to 48. It is intended as a crossing flasher and has
the correct yellow base and black cross buck (originals had either white
cross bucks with white lettering or black cross bucks with white lettering).
The L-AF No. 582 has a micro-circuit in its base that causes two red LED's
to alternate when activated. Recommended for those who want a modern
flasher with an original Gilbert "feel".

The yellow base on the original 582's have an oversized appearance because
that is where the light bulb is housed. The original No. 582's are very
pricey and do not work well because the illumination from the bulb in the
base has to be transmitted up a Lucite rod in the upright and can be viewed
only in a darkened room. The No. 582 (Gilbert and L-AF repro), by the way, is
smaller (shorter) and closer to S scale than the very common No. 760.

The No. 760 Highway Flasher with gray base was made in great abundance by
Gilbert and nice originals are very easy to find. The No. 23791
Cow-on-Track, the No. 759 Bell Danger Signal, and the No. 600 Highway Crossing Gate
with Bell (Shanty) have never been reproduced. Gilbert 23791's and 759's can
be found with a bit of effort.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 3/8/2010 8:37:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes:

Does anybody know if "someone" will make nice repros of the AF: Highway
Flasher....with & without bell; the Highway Crossing Gate with shanty; and
the "Cow-on-track" accessories?
ThanX

john jones

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59681 From: richs009 Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF mail car on DC
The solenoid isn't magnetic until one runs current through it - and that current can be either AC or DC. The coils used in the older Flyer equipment are pretty simple and can be powered by either AC or DC. There is the issue that with a lot of use, DC may induce magnetism in an iron core that persists after the current is switched off. But for something that gets very intermittent use, like a mail pickup car (or the various dump cars, etc.), this isn't likely to be much of a problem.

Tom Barker, in Greenberg's Repair and Operating Manual (second edition, p 39) recommends installing a bridge rectifier in the brakeman caboose (e.g., #977) to eliminate the chatter or buzz created by the AC solenoid keeping the brakeman 'retracted' during train operation. Switching the solenoid to DC maintains a constant magnetic field, instead of the fluctuating field that goes to zero 60 times a second (hence the chatter).

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I am told that using the AC soleniod on DC will eventually de-magnetize the solenoid. However, I can't confirm that as I have yet to have that happen.
> Since I run straight DC, I have purchsed the new action cars which have DC components in them to replace my old cars. They work even better than the originals, so I sold the old ones.
> What few old trackside accessories I have run off AC.
> Perhaps one of our resident electrical guys can give a more definitive answer?
> Stumpy in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59682 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
When was the last time anyone saw anything at Radio Shack for "a couple
of bucks." More like a couple of sawbucks. (a bit of archaic slang) I
tried to get a power adapter plug for my daughter in Australia and they
wanted $10. Same thing at Frys for $2.

Dale

bull_gator_1 wrote:
>
>
> Tom,
>
> You can get a rheostat at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks to slow
> down the accessories. It's quick and easy.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59683 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/28/2010, 8:00 pm - new software
Hello folks,

Let me try and clear the air some on the chat room that we use for the Sunday S-Trains chat.

The Chat room software is not at Yahoo, and does not use Yahoo in any way. It is PHP software hosted at MyFlyerTrains.org, and the new version there is an upgrade intended to make things better for people that were having problems. (The software is a latter version of the last software that Paul and Carl both used in the previous chat rooms. Years ago, the chat room was at Yahoo, but that has been a long time back).

Though you do need to take a few minutes to re-register (creating a new profile), it did seem Sunday night that people were not getting dumped out of chat as sometimes happens. The old software was 2 years old, but now the chat room has the latest current version.

Regarding AOL, if you are using their web browser to access the Internet, you will have problems with this chat room and many other websites. Good browsers are free and quickly installed and will run fine even with AOL. Microsoft ships Internet Explorer with every copy of Windows, there is Firefox (my personal favorite), Safari (from Apple but with a Windows version) and also Opera. These are all free and all are recommended over the stock AOL browser.

I highly recommend taking a few minutes and downloading and Installing Firefox. it will work better, faster, and on most Windows systems you will be more secure (certainly not less!). Again, it is free, and the install is easy. You are not replacing your AOL browser, just adding a second browser to your arsenal to use for the chat room, but I think you will find it superior once you get used to it, which shouldn't be too hard.

Why not visit http://getfirefox.com, download Firefox, and after installing go to http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/ and click on REGISTER to create your new profile / account. Once you have done this, kick the tires by entering the chat room.

From inside the room, you can on the right side click EDIT MY PROFILE and select one of 81 railroad related Avatars (icons), click Change at the bottom are you are done. Type a test line in the chat room and see if your new Avatar is used. If you can't see the new one, trying closing your browser, and reopening it to see if it clears the problem. Browsers often store these images so they are not constantly being reloaded, so you might not see your new Avatar right away. Restarting the browser, or clearing its image cache fixes this, though eventually it will happen anyway, just maybe not today!

I highly recommend taking a few minutes to do the above steps, and look forward to seeing you in the chat room Sunday night!

Thanks for your patience!

Chuck Harrington


On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Boss31@... wrote:

> AOL will NOT hook up wit Yahoo chat. You have to go around AOL by way of
> internet explorer or some other navigator.
>
> Steve
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59684 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: Mikado smoke unit is finally fixed
Looks like Lionel is as careful in selecting their "authorized" repair
stations as they are with quality control. Did you let the Train Depot
in Manassas know what they missed?

Dale

mike wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
> so here is the story. i got a brand new C&O AF Mikado for christmas.
> when i put it on my layout and ran it the smoke unit sucked, the smoke
> would not come out of the smoke stack. so, i took it to a lionel
> service station to have them fix it back in Jan. They had it for 2
> months and said that they could not do anything about it. "its just
> how that smoke unit works". Yeah right, $%^&$ you Train Depot in
> Manassas. So, i brought it home after an hour drive from my house. I
> decided to open it up so i followed Carl's instructions on his web
> site, Thank you! i then say that the wire from the on off switch was
> hanging on by a single strand of wire. so i cut it and re saudered it
> and put it on my track and it works amazingly!!! so my conclusion is
> that 1. I will never go to train depo in manassas ever again. and 2. i
> am not wasting my time or money on new Flyinel.
> Mike J.
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59685 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Decals for sale - Family Lines System - from G and W Models
I have three sets G and W Models decals for Family Line Diesels. They are
set number DH-120. I am offering them for sale at $3 each plus postage to
the first email acceptance of offer. Shipping limited to US.

The description reads as follows: FL DARK GRAY HOOD UNIT - White
lettering & pilot stripes; Red & white herald; Red and yellow stripes. The
description for decorating the units "Yellow handrails at steps, Black pilots,
underframe and trucks."

Specific unit numbers provided are 3584, 3590, 3593, 3600 3605, 3613.
There are sufficient decals to modify the numbers actually applied to the
models.

The sets are unopened. I can see that there are decals for L&N, SCL, CRR,
GA, A&WP. Of course, the herald itself includes "SCL / L&N" and
underneath is "Georgia-Clinchfield" and "West Point Route".

I think these date back to the late 1980s or early 1990s but I do not know
for sure. Someone on this list may be able to give the dates, which would
give an indication of how brittle the decals are. They appear to be in
excellent condition.

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59686 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: S Scale CAD support
All,

Just received this from AnyRail in response to my question about support
for S-Scale if anyone is interested in a CAD program that supports S
Scale track

Carey

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: S Scale
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:33:06 +0100
From: Info DRail Modelspoor Software <info@...>
To: <hcprobst@...>
References: <4B7C1A2C.9090806@...>



Hello Carey,

Just today we’ve released a new version of AnyRail that includes
American Models track.

The S-Trax track system will be added later.

We’re also considering Tom’s Turnouts. I don’t know if you’re familiar
with their products?

Best regards,

David Hoogvorst

AnyRail

*Van:* Carey Probst [mailto:carey@...]
*Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2010 17:33
*Aan:* info@...
*Onderwerp:* S Scale

Do you support or plan to support any scale versions of S Scale track
such as S Helper Service or American Models?

Program looks nice but does not really appear to support the Scale part
of S, just the high rail or toy section.

thanks

Carey

--

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Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@... <mailto:hcprobst@...>

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


--

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59687 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF Mail car on DC
Gary,

For intermittent use, there shouldn't be any problem. However, understand
that operating a solenoid designed for alternating current on direct current
may cause it to overheat and fail, especially if operated continuously or
frequently. This is because the solenoid is designed to operate effectively
at a particular amount of current. When operated on DC, the current through
a solenoid is limited solely by the resistance of the wire. However, when
operated on AC, the current is limited by a combination of the resistance of
the wire AND another factor called "reactance". Reactance is the opposition
of current flow in an AC circuit caused by capacitance or inductance, and a
solenoid is an inductive component. You can Google all these terms if you
want more information, but the bottom line is that for a given applied
voltage on a solenoid, the current flow will always be higher on DC than on
AC.

To protect AC solenoids that are going to be operated on DC, it may be
necessary to lower the operating voltage OR add an external resistor in
series with the solenoid to limit the excess current flow.

Jerry




-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Gary
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Mail car on DC



My track is DC voltage, so to get the mail car to pick up, it had to run
on DC also. Does anyone know if this will hurt the cars solenoid?






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59688 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: MTH
Mike's Train House has a lot of neat stuff, and we all know that not all O gauge products are O scale; many are smaller and can work nicely with S trains.

They have an e-mail list that is easy to get on, and their most recent e-message gave this http://www.mthtrains.com/news/1 as the link to their most recent product releases. Some look interesting.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59689 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: 718 Mail Car DC Operation
A.C Gilbert had some action car control boxes with 4 wire connections for DC operation.  Page 30 in the 1949 Instruction Booklet shows the wiring set up for a 712 to a #14 Electronic Rectifomer.  Anyone should be able to use this wiring diagram to wire a American Flyer action car to a DC powerpack.  Most DC Powerpacks have two connections - one side to track DC and two connections the other side AC for accessories.  If you have a 718 Operating Mail Car you should be able to run it with DC with no problem.
                                                           Tom Seccia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59690 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
The rheostats are $3.99 online at Radio Shack - I bought all eight my neighborhood Radio Shack had for $2.99 each - they must have been in the bin for a long time. Either way still a couple of bucks each - unless you decide a couple means two!

BTW - a co-worker told me he was headed to BestBuy after work today with his free $5 birthday coupon. I told him good luck finding anything but a soda and candy bar in there for $5.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
>
> When was the last time anyone saw anything at Radio Shack for "a couple
> of bucks." More like a couple of sawbucks. (a bit of archaic slang) I
> tried to get a power adapter plug for my daughter in Australia and they
> wanted $10. Same thing at Frys for $2.
>
> Dale
>
> bull_gator_1 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > You can get a rheostat at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks to slow
> > down the accessories. It's quick and easy.
> >
> > BG1
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59691 From: mike jones Date: 3/10/2010
Subject: Re: Mikado smoke unit is finally fixed
Dale,
No, i kind of just want to be done with the whole thing. i will no longer buy anything Lionel until they get their quality control issues situated.
Mike J.

--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:


From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mikado smoke unit is finally fixed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 1:38 PM


 



Looks like Lionel is as careful in selecting their "authorized" repair
stations as they are with quality control. Did you let the Train Depot
in Manassas know what they missed?

Dale

mike wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
> so here is the story. i got a brand new C&O AF Mikado for christmas.
> when i put it on my layout and ran it the smoke unit sucked, the smoke
> would not come out of the smoke stack. so, i took it to a lionel
> service station to have them fix it back in Jan. They had it for 2
> months and said that they could not do anything about it. "its just
> how that smoke unit works". Yeah right, $%^&$ you Train Depot in
> Manassas. So, i brought it home after an hour drive from my house. I
> decided to open it up so i followed Carl's instructions on his web
> site, Thank you! i then say that the wire from the on off switch was
> hanging on by a single strand of wire. so i cut it and re saudered it
> and put it on my track and it works amazingly!!! so my conclusion is
> that 1. I will never go to train depo in manassas ever again. and 2. i
> am not wasting my time or money on new Flyinel.
> Mike J.
>
>
>










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Group: S-Trains Message: 59692 From: fahrwud Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: S-trains chat registration?
Just got an S-trains chat email confirmation, but the originating address seems off.
Anyone else on chat last Sunday get this after the little avatar problem?
"Chat Admin" <your@...>

D.

T
Group: S-Trains Message: 59693 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
I stand corrected and I am surprised. Local Radio Shack stores are lucky
to even have anyone who knows what a rheostat is. By the way, is the 3
watt rating enough for the motors in the MTH AF accessories? Do you
experience any heating of the rheostat?

Dale

bull_gator_1 wrote:
>
> The rheostats are $3.99 online at Radio Shack - I bought all eight my
> neighborhood Radio Shack had for $2.99 each - they must have been in
> the bin for a long time. Either way still a couple of bucks each -
> unless you decide a couple means two!
>
> BTW - a co-worker told me he was headed to BestBuy after work today
> with his free $5 birthday coupon. I told him good luck finding
> anything but a soda and candy bar in there for $5.
>
> BG1
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
> >
> > When was the last time anyone saw anything at Radio Shack for "a couple
> > of bucks." More like a couple of sawbucks. (a bit of archaic slang) I
> > tried to get a power adapter plug for my daughter in Australia and they
> > wanted $10. Same thing at Frys for $2.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > bull_gator_1 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > You can get a rheostat at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks to slow
> > > down the accessories. It's quick and easy.
> > >
> > > BG1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59694 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: MTH
Dear Tom,
Please do not forget the Country, Farm and City house. They are S
scale. Mike should have won the NASG Mfg. award for that one. If
only I was still on the BOT...
Don

On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Tom Hawley wrote:

> Mike's Train House has a lot of neat stuff, and we all know that not
> all O gauge products are O scale; many are smaller and can work
> nicely with S trains.
>
> They have an e-mail list that is easy to get on, and their most
> recent e-message gave this http://www.mthtrains.com/news/1 as the
> link to their most recent product releases. Some look interesting.
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59695 From: aztecfan Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge. The real ones will have a motor
them with a trailing of lights on the cars

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44228
Group: S-Trains Message: 59696 From: aztecfan Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: MTH
Do we not have a web site some where that would disclose what MTH i s s gauge.

Sine it is impossible to see in person all the O gauge stuff that is really 027 which is 3/16 S we need some help. I might look on E-bay for some stuff if I was more aware of the S Guage stuff. I would not want to trust the seller in asking what is S size.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59697 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: MTH "scale"
There seems to be a lot of confusion about which MTH repro accessories are in what scale. Actually if you are looking for an exact scale "3/16 inch to the foot" accessory from either Gilbert or MTH, you are going to be disappointed.
For instance, the Track Gang accessory has huge people on it for S scale. Even the cows and communters for those accessories are out of scale, as is the cow for the Cow on Track.
The bases of most accessories are ridiculously thick, most mounted on at least four foot thick "concrete" slabs if they were in scale.
Many MTH structures are reasonably close to S scale, and if not, there are a couple of things you might do to hide that fact: Don't put figures near the out of scale doors, or change out the doors to S scale ones.
While few "Scalers" use accessories for this reason, the rest of us can just squint our eyes a bit and have fun! And isn't that what these accessories were all about to start with?
Stumpy Stone...Fun comes First...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59698 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
Dale,

I haven't noticed any heat build up because the accessories only run a short time before you have to reload the logs, sawmill, what ever. I haven't tried a rheostat (as a dimmer maybe) on any of the light towers that would be on for a longer time.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
>
> I stand corrected and I am surprised. Local Radio Shack stores are lucky
> to even have anyone who knows what a rheostat is. By the way, is the 3
> watt rating enough for the motors in the MTH AF accessories? Do you
> experience any heating of the rheostat?
>
> Dale
>
> bull_gator_1 wrote:
> >
> > The rheostats are $3.99 online at Radio Shack - I bought all eight my
> > neighborhood Radio Shack had for $2.99 each - they must have been in
> > the bin for a long time. Either way still a couple of bucks each -
> > unless you decide a couple means two!
> >
> > BTW - a co-worker told me he was headed to BestBuy after work today
> > with his free $5 birthday coupon. I told him good luck finding
> > anything but a soda and candy bar in there for $5.
> >
> > BG1
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote:
> > >
> > > When was the last time anyone saw anything at Radio Shack for "a couple
> > > of bucks." More like a couple of sawbucks. (a bit of archaic slang) I
> > > tried to get a power adapter plug for my daughter in Australia and they
> > > wanted $10. Same thing at Frys for $2.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > bull_gator_1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > You can get a rheostat at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks to slow
> > > > down the accessories. It's quick and easy.
> > > >
> > > > BG1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59699 From: Alan Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: FLionel UP NORTHERN # 800.
Finally got some track put down,, Ran my Northern and found an anoying
squeek as it ran down the track.

Anyone have a fix for this problem,

Thanks, Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 59700 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: MTH "scale"
Hi Stumpy,

I lived the "scale" issue real life during my trip to China thanks to being 6'-4". In the photos I have with various people I met, I look like an O-scale guy in an S-scale world - lol!

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> There seems to be a lot of confusion about which MTH repro accessories are in what scale. Actually if you are looking for an exact scale "3/16 inch to the foot" accessory from either Gilbert or MTH, you are going to be disappointed.
> For instance, the Track Gang accessory has huge people on it for S scale. Even the cows and communters for those accessories are out of scale, as is the cow for the Cow on Track.
> The bases of most accessories are ridiculously thick, most mounted on at least four foot thick "concrete" slabs if they were in scale.
> Many MTH structures are reasonably close to S scale, and if not, there are a couple of things you might do to hide that fact: Don't put figures near the out of scale doors, or change out the doors to S scale ones.
> While few "Scalers" use accessories for this reason, the rest of us can just squint our eyes a bit and have fun! And isn't that what these accessories were all about to start with?
> Stumpy Stone...Fun comes First...in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59701 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: S-Trains Chat registration
I have not had any communication from the Chat thing. I changed my avatar when I was on Sunday evening by re-registering then. I also used the weird avatar that I had been using that was on the site to start with, so there was little complication.
Actually, the bizarre "Insectoids" that the site stuck everyone with were kind of humorous, but just not to my taste or I would have left my "creature" alone.
For those of you on S-Trains who have not tried Chat on Sunday evenings at 8pm EST, stop by. (Remember Daylight Savings Time begins this Saturday night...or is that Sunday morning?) You don't have to actually "chat." Often I just sit there and lurk because the writing is interesting or funny, other times I'm right in the middle of the fray!
The subjects are supposed to be about American Flyer or other S Gauge topics, but sometimes they stray into "uncharted territory" so you never know what is going to come up!
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59702 From: richs009 Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: FLionel UP NORTHERN # 800.
Check the Hints and Tips section of Carl Tuveson's site:
http://www.tuveson.com/. He addresses one squeak source - the smoke/choo-choo set up.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <toytrainjunkie@...> wrote:
>
>
> Finally got some track put down,, Ran my Northern and found an anoying
> squeek as it ran down the track.
>
> Anyone have a fix for this problem,
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59703 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge. The real ones will have a m
I really doubt the this TRON / monorail rumor, really! I do know a fair amount about Disneyworld...

The gift shops at Disney do sell a model Monorail that is roughly S.

Chuck

On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:53 AM, aztecfan wrote:

> them with a trailing of lights on the cars
>
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44228
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59704 From: Steven Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
Thanks guys!!!
I like the "Bag O People"
Group: S-Trains Message: 59705 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: MTH
----- Original Message -----
From: aztecfan
Do we not have a web site some where that would disclose what MTH is S
gauge?
> > > > > > > > > > >
Ted Larson had a site where he listed items of other scales & gauges useful
in S, but I don't know if he's kept it up, or whether it's sorted by
manufacturer. You could have a look -
http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/ho-s-o/ho-s-o.html

I look at MTH stuff at train shows, dismiss 90% of it, but MTH buildings are
sometimes useful. They also have two RailKing cars that can be narrowed,
and a RailKing highway trailer that's perfect as it for S, if 45 scale ft
isn't too long for you.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 59706 From: George Cohn Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge. The real ones will have a m
Chuck Harrington wrote:
>
>
> I really doubt the this TRON / monorail rumor, really! I do know a fair
> amount about Disneyworld...
>
> The gift shops at Disney do sell a model Monorail that is roughly S.

I do remember the toy catalogs having a model monorail in the '60's but
I don't know what scale it was or who made it.

Would be cool though to add one of the proper scale to an S layout!

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59707 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale people??
O People are just so Old. LOL

Rainy Day People are cool too.

Could not resist.

Actually I am tonight putting on the Aristata figures I got in December. The first is a line man on a S scale ladder as he is fixing the telegraph line.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale people??



Thanks guys!!!
I like the "Bag O People"





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59708 From: Dennis Back Date: 3/11/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
>>>From: George Cohn....
>>>>I do remember the toy catalogs having a model monorail in the '60's but I don't know what scale it was or who made it.




-----------------------------------

Was it Schuco?

http://schucodisneylandmonorail.com/

Dennis







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59709 From: Al Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: S Fest - Chicago?
Hi,
Where and when is S-Fest (east) this year?
Al Baker
Group: S-Trains Message: 59710 From: George Cohn Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
Dennis Back wrote:
>
>
> >>>From: George Cohn....
> >>>>I do remember the toy catalogs having a model monorail in the '60's
> but I don't know what scale it was or who made it.
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Was it Schuco?
>
> http://schucodisneylandmonorail.com/ <http://schucodisneylandmonorail.com/>

Actually I just found one listed in the 1956 Montgomery Wards Christmas
Book on page 208! It was the "Jet-Rail Express."

The description is an 11-1/2 inch car is bright red plastic, has
overhead trolleys, windows, and dummy headlight.

12 metal rail sections, 12 metal pylons and makes a a layout 3-1/2 by 5
feet. Needs two flashlight batteries sold below for 2 for 27 cents.

Item 48 T 3074 - Shipping weight 4 pounds $8.95

On the same page are the AF Meteor Freight set at $32.95, the AF
Crusader set at $18.95, and the AF Pennsylvania switcher freight set at
a whopping $55.45!

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59711 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: A 300AC Electrical Question
Greetings! Opening up the Flyer 300 AC to begin cleaning/repair work, I discovered a missing reverse unit. In its place was what may be, a rectifier with four leads? It is rectangular in shape (about 1" by 3/4") and has the following markings .... RS 1171,100 Volts, ? amps, ++ AC -. The headlight wires have been cut . I realize this is limited information but hopefully enough to tell me what the purpose of this is? I couldn't locate this "object" on the RS Web Sight. Thanks for any help you can provide! Charlie in W MI. PS> Still open to a telephone pole, box car trade.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59712 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Has Lionel Moved
A buddy of mine returned his Flyonel AF Big Boy to his retailer who is having trouble reaching Lionel either by phone or Email. The retailer obtained limited info that Lionel is moving. Is this true and if so does anybody have the new location and details ??

Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 59713 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Cousin Charlie,

It sounds like it has been converted to work on DC. The rectangular
component is a diode bridge to provide DC to the motor. Direction
control would be accomplished by switching the polarity on the rails. If
you have a DC power pack, give it a try.

Try searching the Radio Shack site for "Bridge". Here is a page (if the
link comes through) to get you started.

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=bridge&origkw=bri
dge&sr=1

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of charlie and edith
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:29 AM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] A 300AC Electrical Question

Greetings!
Opening up the Flyer 300 AC to begin cleaning/repair work, I discovered
a missing reverse unit. In its place was what may be, a rectifier with
four leads? It is rectangular in shape (about 1" by 3/4") and has the
following markings .... RS 1171,100 Volts, ? amps, ++ AC -. The
headlight wires have been cut . I realize this is limited information
but hopefully enough to tell me what the purpose of this is? I couldn't
locate this "object" on the RS Web Sight. Thanks for any help you can
provide!
Charlie in W MI.
PS> Still open to a telephone pole, box car trade.

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at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
Group: S-Trains Message: 59714 From: Lennis Hall Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
Is this one?

http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20071103/MVC-002S.JPG
Len

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:

From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:17 PM







 









Dennis Back wrote:

>

>

> >>>From: George Cohn....

> >>>>I do remember the toy catalogs having a model monorail in the '60's

> but I don't know what scale it was or who made it.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- -----

>

> Was it Schuco?

>

> http://schucodisney landmonorail. com/ <http://schucodisney landmonorail. com/>



Actually I just found one listed in the 1956 Montgomery Wards Christmas

Book on page 208! It was the "Jet-Rail Express."



The description is an 11-1/2 inch car is bright red plastic, has

overhead trolleys, windows, and dummy headlight.



12 metal rail sections, 12 metal pylons and makes a a layout 3-1/2 by 5

feet. Needs two flashlight batteries sold below for 2 for 27 cents.



Item 48 T 3074 - Shipping weight 4 pounds $8.95



On the same page are the AF Meteor Freight set at $32.95, the AF

Crusader set at $18.95, and the AF Pennsylvania switcher freight set at

a whopping $55.45!



George Cohn

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59715 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Fw: layout latest
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: layout latest


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1741897965/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=441&count=20&dir=asc

I have not posted pictures on the layout lately, but here is a update on the whole layout.

Apples for the orchard are made, along with crates and apples for Neil.

American Flag Co is on the layout as the baseball team is buying a new flag. Next the AFC building will be a corrugated box company.

A lineman working on the telegraph lines.

The kathy Ireland Book case is up for holding of trains used on the layout, as if Ireland really design the bookcase, not why I got it.

I have a kit from Lehigh Valley Models coming in, a corrugated box manufacturer that will be next to the AFC building. Becareful if you google Lehigh, as you will get some models alright, but not for trains tables. LOL

Picnic tables for the Frosty Bar is being worked on now.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59716 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
How about posting a picture onto the site?

It does sound like you are guessing correctly.

Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of charlie and edith
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:29 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] A 300AC Electrical Question



Greetings! Opening up the Flyer 300 AC to begin cleaning/repair work, I
discovered a missing reverse unit. In its place was what may be, a rectifier
with four leads? It is rectangular in shape (about 1" by 3/4") and has the
following markings .... RS 1171,100 Volts, ? amps, ++ AC -. The headlight
wires have been cut . I realize this is limited information but hopefully
enough to tell me what the purpose of this is? I couldn't locate this
"object" on the RS Web Sight. Thanks for any help you can provide! Charlie
in W MI. PS> Still open to a telephone pole, box car trade.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59717 From: Red Ned Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Charlie
It has been modified for DC operation. It will reverse in DC when polarity is changed but only run one direction on AC without reversing. The rectifier controls the direction of elctrons though the field allowing reverse on DC.

Doug

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings! Opening up the Flyer 300 AC to begin cleaning/repair work, I discovered a missing reverse unit. In its place was what may be, a rectifier with four leads? It is rectangular in shape (about 1" by 3/4") and has the following markings .... RS 1171,100 Volts, ? amps, ++ AC -. The headlight wires have been cut . I realize this is limited information but hopefully enough to tell me what the purpose of this is? I couldn't locate this "object" on the RS Web Sight. Thanks for any help you can provide! Charlie in W MI. PS> Still open to a telephone pole, box car trade.
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59718 From: sgaugian Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: AF Mail car on DC
Thanks Jerry for this informative reply. I think it odd how people
recommend running operating cabooses, and reverse units on DC to quiet
them down. While quieting them down don't be surpised if they melt down
too in the process.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59719 From: zemouse2001 Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
Opening up the Flyer 300 AC to begin cleaning/repair work, I discovered a missing reverse unit. In its place was what may be, a rectifier with four leads? It is rectangular in shape (about 1" by 3/4") and has the following markings .... RS 1171,100 Volts, ? amps, ++ AC -. The headlight wires have been cut .

Charlie,

I strongly suspect your 'black box' is a 'bridge' rectifier. Like all rectifiers, it converts AC voltage to DC voltage. The AC from the track is applied to the leads marked 'AC' and the rectified output is on the '+' (i.e. positive) and '-' (i.e. negative) leads.

Don't know why the headline would be disconnected.

Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 59720 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A 300AC Electrical Question
Charlie, That is a rectifier, and your 300 has been rewired for DC operation. It is a reversible operation, if you have an e-unit to wire back in. Larry Moore



To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
From: charlieandedith@...
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:29:12 -0500
Subject: [S-Trains] A 300AC Electrical Question





Greetings! Opening up the Flyer 300 AC to begin cleaning/repair work, I discovered a missing reverse unit. In its place was what may be, a rectifier with four leads? It is rectangular in shape (about 1" by 3/4") and has the following markings .... RS 1171,100 Volts, ? amps, ++ AC -. The headlight wires have been cut . I realize this is limited information but hopefully enough to tell me what the purpose of this is? I couldn't locate this "object" on the RS Web Sight. Thanks for any help you can provide! Charlie in W MI. PS> Still open to a telephone pole, box car trade.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59721 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: A look back from my brother in law
My brother in law Eric found this really neat site of early color
images of our country.
Don

http://www.openmyeyeslord.net/ALookBackInHistory.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 59722 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: AF For Sale
American Flyer by Lionel For Sale

I am thinning my collection of items that I don't plan on operating or displaying and are now sitting in boxes. All are new in there boxes, bought from a dealer, unopened by me, except as noted below. The dealer may have opened the box to show potential clients. All pricing includes shipping.

Contact me off list!

Just added: LIONEL Union Pacific Passenger Set
48054 Grey Ghost, 48978 4 pack passenger cars, & 2 pack passenger cars. $800.00

TTOS Salt Lake Route A/F Box Car 2002, 6-48225 in original brown shipping package never opened. These have sold on E bay for over $120.00 several times. $120.00 NOW $110.00

2007 Flyer Fest West Sacramento Northern Insulated, box car, 6-48260 in original brown shipping package, never opened. Only one was listed and sold on E bay, for over $300.00 by a Sacramento dealer. $225.00 NOW $175.00

Caboose
• 6-48705 Pennsylvania, Bought from dealer as new, not used. I opened box and wheels show some light running time. $30.00 NOW $25.00
• 6-48715 Milwaukee Road $60.00 NOW $50.00

Tank
• 6-48405 Orange Shell, Bought new from dealer, plastic wrap. $55.00 NOW $50.00
• 4-9102 Baltimore & Ohio, box has been opened and shows no wheel wear. $45.00 NOW $40.00
• 4-9101 Union Oil, this shows wheel wear. $35.00 NOW $30.00

Flat
• 6-48507 US Army with Tanks, set of two flatcars. $55.00 NOW $45.00

Reefer
• 6-48800 Wabash $40.00 NOW 35.00

Gondola
• 4-9303 Southern with plastic wrap $30.00 NOW $25.00

Boxcar
• 6-48318 Gilbert, Erector Set Inventor with Ferris wheel picture. New unopened by me $50.00 NOW $45.00
• 6-48322 New Haven , new, still in plastic wrap $45.00 NOW $40.00
• 6-48320 Nickel Plate Road, Bought new from dealer $40.00 NOW $35.00
• 6-48328 Great Northern $35.00 NOW $30.00
• 6-48327 1997 Christmas, box shows edge wear. $35.00 NOW $30.00
• 6-48329 AT & SF. $45.00 NOW $40.00
• 6-48364 60th Anniversary, with outside plastic wrap. $55.00 NOW $50.00



Ed Eckert
ejenterp@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59723 From: AlR Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: S Scale/S Gauge Items for Sale
I have the following S Scale/S Gauge Items for Sale:

1) S-Helper #00144 SS Milwaukee Road Boxcar w/wooden slats. Car is numbered
70012 - brown color. $39.95

2) S-Helper #00206 REA Express 35' Trailer load - vertical ribbed. Fits on
flatcar or in your yard. $19.95

3) S-Helper #00184 Union Pacific flatcar w/UP Trailer load #1. $59.95

4) S-Helper #00185 Union Pacific flatcar w/UP Trailer load #2. $59.95

All items are equipped with Hi-Rail trucks - I will replace with Scale wheelset
FREE upon request.

Shipping expense extra - your choice - parcel, first class, or priority.

Email me off this group
Al Rawdon
Group: S-Trains Message: 59724 From: Bill Drake Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
I have two of these - one white, one red in the original boxes. They would be hard to classify as to scale as they are fanciful impressions of what a monorail might be like. They run on two batteries and have no remote controls - fast hand to catch them and derail to get one to stop. The doors are pretty small for a 5 foot S scale person.
 
Bill Drake
it's back to raining in St. Louis

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:


From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Disneys Monorail is made in S gauge.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:17 PM


 



Dennis Back wrote:
>
>
> >>>From: George Cohn....
> >>>>I do remember the toy catalogs having a model monorail in the '60's
> but I don't know what scale it was or who made it.
>
> ------------ --------- --------- -----
>
> Was it Schuco?
>
> http://schucodisney landmonorail. com/ <http://schucodisney landmonorail. com/>

Actually I just found one listed in the 1956 Montgomery Wards Christmas
Book on page 208! It was the "Jet-Rail Express."

The description is an 11-1/2 inch car is bright red plastic, has
overhead trolleys, windows, and dummy headlight.

12 metal rail sections, 12 metal pylons and makes a a layout 3-1/2 by 5
feet. Needs two flashlight batteries sold below for 2 for 27 cents.

Item 48 T 3074 - Shipping weight 4 pounds $8.95

On the same page are the AF Meteor Freight set at $32.95, the AF
Crusader set at $18.95, and the AF Pennsylvania switcher freight set at
a whopping $55.45!

George Cohn











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59725 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Fun In The New Chat Room
Ok folks,

For some fun, go to the chat room and try this.

Enter the room and type /Last 1000 and click send or hit enter key.

You will then be able to scroll back and look at last Sunday's entire chat as well as an 1 1/2 hour conversation between me and Neil in UK about Flyer track and the Big Boy that took place Thursday night.

Yes, the chat room is there 24/7 and we can chat at times other than Sunday night!

BY THE WAY, YOU CAN SEE LAST SUNDAY'S CHAT WITHOUT REGISTERING IF YOU WANT TO SE WHAT YOU ARE MISSING!

Again, http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/

Enjoy...

Chuck

PS: Have you registered yet?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59726 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: AF Mail car on DC
It will depend on how the solenoid was constructed. Some may handle the DC
just fine if an adequate safety margin was built into their design, while
others may not. Well designed products will continue to work over a wide
range of conditions outside their specified conditions of operation.

Jerry


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of sgaugian
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:21 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Mail car on DC



Thanks Jerry for this informative reply. I think it odd how people
recommend running operating cabooses, and reverse units on DC to quiet
them down. While quieting them down don't be surpised if they melt down
too in the process.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59727 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
Chicago-Tinley Park



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: albaker33@...
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:43:12 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?





Hi,
Where and when is S-Fest (east) this year?
Al Baker





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59728 From: Dave Bellian Date: 3/12/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
Hello, What are the dates for this.


Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 12, 2010 8:46 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?





Chicago-Tinley Park


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: albaker33@...
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:43:12 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?

Hi,
Where and when is S-Fest (east) this year?
Al Baker


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59729 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
The MTH 785 Coal Loader does NOT need slowing down....it needs speeding
up!!! It is drastically slow in operation.

We have a replacement pulley that will triple its speed, making it very
satisfactory.



<<<You can get a rheostat at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks to slow
down the accessories. It's quick and easy.
............ I believe Doug Peck - Port Lines may have a hardware kit
to slow down the coal loaders.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59730 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Advice on Knuckle Couplers
Absolutely not Flyonel !

Ours are good quality Gilbert reproductions, and I don't ever recall
anyone complaining about them falling apart.

Could a weight fall off on a rare occasion......sure.....but that could
happen on anyone's, including Gilbert, especially if the coupler tongues
are bent downward a bit.

But it certainly doesn't happen routinely with our couplers!



<<<I know that Doug Peck, Hobby Surplus, and others stock both styles of

couplers and the trucks so I'm assuming they might be the Flyonel
version.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59731 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fun In The New Chat Room
Hi Chuck,

Several years ago we had a big "discussion (heated agrument)" here concerning recording and posting the Sunday night chat sessions. The positions ran the ful gamet from "great idea" to "illegal". You might want to reconsider allowing access to the "log" until you poll the members.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote:
>
> Ok folks,
>
> For some fun, go to the chat room and try this.
>
> Enter the room and type /Last 1000 and click send or hit enter key.
>
> You will then be able to scroll back and look at last Sunday's entire chat as well as an 1 1/2 hour conversation between me and Neil in UK about Flyer track and the Big Boy that took place Thursday night.
>
> Yes, the chat room is there 24/7 and we can chat at times other than Sunday night!
>
> BY THE WAY, YOU CAN SEE LAST SUNDAY'S CHAT WITHOUT REGISTERING IF YOU WANT TO SE WHAT YOU ARE MISSING!
>
> Again, http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/
>
> Enjoy...
>
> Chuck
>
> PS: Have you registered yet?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59732 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] MTH AF accessories
The pulley works great on the MTH coal loader.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59733 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: People Added
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/602884685/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=501&count=20&dir=asc

I am starting to add people to the layout.

I have picnic tables for the Frosty Bar almost done.

Next is a man with a lawn mover, as that is a bit tricky, since the man wants to fall over on the grass mat, yes, I use glue, and the lawn mover is two pieces, handle and mover body. I will use so better glue so it stays up better while the mover gives him support.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59734 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
Oct. 22-24



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: YardMasterModels@...
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:47:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?





Hello, What are the dates for this.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 12, 2010 8:46 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?

Chicago-Tinley Park

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: albaker33@...
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:43:12 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?

Hi,
Where and when is S-Fest (east) this year?
Al Baker

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59735 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: MTH
I was asked which MTH RailKing cars can be narrowed down to make S Gauge cars, so I put some more pictures in our group's Files directory - "Tom's O-27 Cars (Mostly)." If you're not interested in the modern era, don't waste your time, but there they are.

FWIW, the MTH Husky Stack cars are the "all purpose" type, able carry containers or trailers. Our DPH / SSA S Gauge Husky Stacks are the container-only type. Gunderson makes them both ways in the real world.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59736 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Train Show in Toledo
I will be selling AM, SHS, &c at the Train Show tomorrow, Sunday, in Toledo Ohio.

The location called Gladieux Meadows (actually it's not outdoors), 4480 Heatherdowns Blvd, Toledo OH. Hours are 11 AM - 4 PM DST.

Tom Hawley -- DBA Michigan Models,

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59737 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: People Added
Hi Mike,

That is a very nice scene. The people make it come alive.

I have had good luck by performing some orthopedic work on people. I
drill a small-diameter hole up through one leg and glue a piece of
straight pin into it with the pointy end down. Next, I drill another
small hole in the location where I want the person to appear and stick
it in.

When I mount people on surfaces I do not want to drill into, I don't use
the pin thing. Instead, I dip the feet in white glue and set the figure
on the surface with some temporary supports. After the glue dries, the
figure will stand alone. At any time, I can remove the figure and the
dot of glue since it is water-soluble.

Keep those photos coming. Thanks,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:09 AM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] People Added

http://tinyurl.com/yzxk3tc

I am starting to add people to the layout.

I have picnic tables for the Frosty Bar almost done.

Next is a man with a lawn mover, as that is a bit tricky, since the man
wants to fall over on the grass mat, yes, I use glue, and the lawn mover
is two pieces, handle and mover body. I will use so better glue so it
stays up better while the mover gives him support.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 59738 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: People Added
Bill,

Thanks and thanks for that tip, as I am having a bit of trouble with a man with a lawnmower, a three piece set. Man, mover and handle. You pin trick might be in order.

Linda is working on placemats for the bookcase for trains and I just finished 4 picnic tables for the Frosty Bar. I have another scene completed with a working coming out of manhole in the road with cones, Plasticville painted and a police officer directed traffic, sort of.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] People Added



Hi Mike,

That is a very nice scene. The people make it come alive.

I have had good luck by performing some orthopedic work on people. I
drill a small-diameter hole up through one leg and glue a piece of
straight pin into it with the pointy end down. Next, I drill another
small hole in the location where I want the person to appear and stick
it in.

When I mount people on surfaces I do not want to drill into, I don't use
the pin thing. Instead, I dip the feet in white glue and set the figure
on the surface with some temporary supports. After the glue dries, the
figure will stand alone. At any time, I can remove the figure and the
dot of glue since it is water-soluble.

Keep those photos coming. Thanks,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:09 AM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] People Added

http://tinyurl.com/yzxk3tc

I am starting to add people to the layout.

I have picnic tables for the Frosty Bar almost done.

Next is a man with a lawn mover, as that is a bit tricky, since the man
wants to fall over on the grass mat, yes, I use glue, and the lawn mover
is two pieces, handle and mover body. I will use so better glue so it
stays up better while the mover gives him support.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59739 From: daysend40 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: S Helper Cattle Cars
Hello
Does anyone know how I can dissemble an S Helper Cattle Car, the one I have is # CNW 14201, so that I can put a sound unit in it?
Thank You
Joe Wagner
trainmaster1940@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59740 From: Scale S Only Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: People Added
Hi Bill ---

Good points! (pun intended).

Have fun!
Bill Winans


I have had good luck by performing some orthopedic work on people. I
drill a small-diameter hole up through one leg and glue a piece of
straight pin into it with the pointy end down. Next, I drill another
small hole in the location where I want the person to appear and stick
it in.

When I mount people on surfaces I do not want to drill into, I don't use
the pin thing. Instead, I dip the feet in white glue and set the figure
on the surface with some temporary supports. After the glue dries, the
figure will stand alone. At any time, I can remove the figure and the
dot of glue since it is water-soluble.
Bill (P.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 59741 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/14/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59742 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Advice on Knuckle Couplers/Doug Peck
When I was mentioning other people the other day that go to great lengths
to produce quality reproduction parts I forgot to mention Doug Peck. Keep
up the great work Doug.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59743 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Fw: More People
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1582022670/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=501&count=20&dir=asc

Today I finished the picnic tables for the Frosty Bar.

Added a manhole scene with cones I painted from Plasticville. Added a Police Officer to direct traffic.

The man holding a toxic waste container as the ghost writer said it was is so that the glue on his feet will dry as he will be pushing a lawnmower.

I ordered 10 yards of fabric for the table skirt, a nice tan.

Linda worked on placemats for the train book case, as no sign of Kathy Ireland who sold this to me.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59744 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Picnic Tables
The picnic tables at the Frosty Bar have a feel of a lobster pound in Maine now.

President Zippy has been invited to officially open the new seating area at the Frosty Bar and then to go over to the produce stand and get a fresh clay apple from Neil the Muffler man.
I sent this out to Bill Griffith, I wonder if he will bite, as I said I would have to buy another signed print, if President Zippy does make another in color. I think he might do it. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59745 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Fw: Toxic waste plagues Maryland town
Ghost Writer strikes again, as the story goes with the pictures posted today.

Too much Fun.
Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:50 PM
Subject: Toxic waste plagues Maryland town


Dingburg, MD (AP) -

Environmental Protection Agency officials and a Federal Emergency Management Agency hazmat team were summoned to this eastern Maryland town after unknown persons deposited over 5,000 gallons of toxic waste along Railroad Avenue.

The mystery container towered over fifteen feet tall, dwarfing freight cars in the nearby D&KRR yard and completely obliterating several classic automobiles that were supposed to be exhibited in Dingburg's annual Retro Fifties Parade.

Fumes emanated from the 6' diameter glass container of bile-green liquid, turning nauseated customers away from the Branford Diner and prompting USDA officials to close an outdoor farmer's market at nearby Lechner's Produce.

Charges are pending against the owners of Frosty Bar. This soft-serve stand coincidentally just installed four picnic tables next to its parking lot. The tables, which were still tacky and smelled of turpentine, had recently been painted a shade of pine green that is suspiciously similar in color to the hazardous waste.

"I can't imagine who would leave this kind of c**p on our city streets", declaimed Hugo Chavez, D&KRR security chief and self-appointed mayor pro tempore, "but you can bet your a**s that we'll skewer the b**rd when we get our hands on him."

Ever making the best of a negative situation, Sindbad's Tavern has been selling a cocktail called the "Brockovich". The drink consists of a double shot of vodka with a splash of lime syrup and costs four dollars.

G.W.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59746 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
I understand Lionel is closed for a few weeks while they move. I hear they are moving to NJ. I guess they figure if they are closer to a quality S gauge manufacturer, it will rub off on them.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "yorktown26" <yorktown26@...> wrote:
>
> A buddy of mine returned his Flyonel AF Big Boy to his retailer who is having trouble reaching Lionel either by phone or Email. The retailer obtained limited info that Lionel is moving. Is this true and if so does anybody have the new location and details ??
>
> Thanks
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59747 From: aztecfan Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: I am building a data base to promote S trains to 1/64 car clubs.
Check this web site out. Forward any car club links to me.

http://1-64thcustoms.com/indexconsole.htm

Thanks

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 59748 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
Thanks Wayne for your input. I did get thru to Lionel for my buddy and Lionel actually faxed the repair authorization to the retailer on the same day, But the repair was being sent to Lionel's new repair shop in Ohio.
Lionel said that their offices would remain in Michigan and the repair shop was moving to Ohio, but if you have more intel about a move to NJ, that would be great, since I could drive there when I have a repair. Just think, if some aspect of L moved to NJ, maybe they were seeking inspiration from the spirit of JLC himself for better quality control !!!
Now does anybody know when The new L 2010 catalog is comung out?

Happy S scaling,
Dennis

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote:
>
> I understand Lionel is closed for a few weeks while they move. I hear they are moving to NJ. I guess they figure if they are closer to a quality S gauge manufacturer, it will rub off on them.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "yorktown26" <yorktown26@> wrote:
> >
> > A buddy of mine returned his Flyonel AF Big Boy to his retailer who is having trouble reaching Lionel either by phone or Email. The retailer obtained limited info that Lionel is moving. Is this true and if so does anybody have the new location and details ??
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59749 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: More People
Excellent and inspirational.
Thanks,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:54 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: More People

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/158202
2670/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=501&count=20&dir=asc

Today I finished the picnic tables for the Frosty Bar.

Added a manhole scene with cones I painted from Plasticville. Added a
Police Officer to direct traffic.

The man holding a toxic waste container as the ghost writer said it was
is so that the glue on his feet will dry as he will be pushing a
lawnmower.

I ordered 10 yards of fabric for the table skirt, a nice tan.

Linda worked on placemats for the train book case, as no sign of Kathy
Ireland who sold this to me.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 59750 From: rep928 Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: S Fest - Chicago
For full information on the forthcoming S-fest in Chicago, keep checking at:
fallsfest.net

- Roy Plotnick, CASG Webmaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 59751 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: More People
Thanks Bill, as the people now are making this come alive a bit.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fw: More People



Excellent and inspirational.
Thanks,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:54 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: More People

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/158202
2670/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=501&count=20&dir=asc

Today I finished the picnic tables for the Frosty Bar.

Added a manhole scene with cones I painted from Plasticville. Added a
Police Officer to direct traffic.

The man holding a toxic waste container as the ghost writer said it was
is so that the glue on his feet will dry as he will be pushing a
lawnmower.

I ordered 10 yards of fabric for the table skirt, a nice tan.

Linda worked on placemats for the train book case, as no sign of Kathy
Ireland who sold this to me.

Mike Marmer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59752 From: Al Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago
Thanks to all that responded !!! I hope to be there!
Al Baker





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rep928" <plotnick@...> wrote:
>
>
> For full information on the forthcoming S-fest in Chicago, keep checking at:
> fallsfest.net
>
> - Roy Plotnick, CASG Webmaster
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59753 From: aztecfan Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: We have a long way to go, Look at this detail
Group: S-Trains Message: 59754 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Pre 3/16
In order to prepare for 3/16 day in two days, you must celebrate 3/14 day or Pie. Eating any pies baked on 3/14 on 3/16 is a good thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCx8Uymv6c There is a song about Pie by Lucy Kaplansky who happens to be in concert in VA during York week. Lucy is a Psychiatrist also.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59755 From: lou342ac Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
I either heard or read that in 2010 Lionel would be manufacturing 4 sets of trains in New Jersey. The reason is scheduling delays and rising costs in China. Maybe someone more knowledgeable of this information could clarify this.
Lou Baldi

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "yorktown26" <yorktown26@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Wayne for your input. I did get thru to Lionel for my buddy and Lionel actually faxed the repair authorization to the retailer on the same day, But the repair was being sent to Lionel's new repair shop in Ohio.
> Lionel said that their offices would remain in Michigan and the repair shop was moving to Ohio, but if you have more intel about a move to NJ, that would be great, since I could drive there when I have a repair. Just think, if some aspect of L moved to NJ, maybe they were seeking inspiration from the spirit of JLC himself for better quality control !!!
> Now does anybody know when The new L 2010 catalog is comung out?
>
> Happy S scaling,
> Dennis
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@> wrote:
> >
> > I understand Lionel is closed for a few weeks while they move. I hear they are moving to NJ. I guess they figure if they are closer to a quality S gauge manufacturer, it will rub off on them.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "yorktown26" <yorktown26@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A buddy of mine returned his Flyonel AF Big Boy to his retailer who is having trouble reaching Lionel either by phone or Email. The retailer obtained limited info that Lionel is moving. Is this true and if so does anybody have the new location and details ??
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59756 From: jaay_st Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Kudos to LBR
Hi all,
Just like to thanks to Dave at LBR Enterprises.
I bought the Ballantine and Rheingold decal sets and they are great.
Had a few questions on installing them and they helped out immensely.
Thanks
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 59757 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
This coming Friday.

There is a fair amount of AF in it, but not overwhelming...........not
surprising, considering the economy.



<<<Now does anybody know when The new L 2010 catalog is coming out?>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59758 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: Pre 3/16
Speaking of baked Pie, I just baked a batch of Clay Potatoes to replace the cheap apples in a crate from Woodland, which are nothing but cake and cookie sprinkles. I had brown clay from when I made the pitching mound.

Now to make some beef tenderloins, the most expensive beef cut you can buy. LOL

I am starting my next project a fire water tower for the Tufts Industrial area.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; S trains
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Pre 3/16



In order to prepare for 3/16 day in two days, you must celebrate 3/14 day or Pie. Eating any pies baked on 3/14 on 3/16 is a good thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCx8Uymv6c There is a song about Pie by Lucy Kaplansky who happens to be in concert in VA during York week. Lucy is a Psychiatrist also.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59759 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday March 14, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59760 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Kudos to LBR
I'd like to second the feelings about LBR. I have bought only a couple of decal sets from LBR, but both were excellent.
I'll be doing more with them as the need arises.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 59761 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: New Layout Video Posted
Hi All,

I've posted a new video of my layout progress on YouTube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suhrjv7VW54

I have an American Models Budd passenger train and an American Flyer freight train running. You can also see the progress on the layout with the switches and uncouplers all wired, the outside skirt in place, the perimeter facade in place, some control buttons mounted on the perimeter and the control panel nearing completion.

Next step is to start applying scenery.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59762 From: Dave Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: #736 Opertaing Mech.
We have an operating mechanism from a #736 MOPAC cattle car (no trucks, just car frame,cloth & mech. w/cloth intact)that we have cleaned up and it works (viberates) perfectly. $30.00 will take it. This also includes shipping for CONUS. Please contact OFF LIST if interested.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
dave@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59763 From: michael robinson Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: american flyer in australia
well heres some pics of flyer in austraila ,http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/174020156/pic/list




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59764 From: George Cohn Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
http://tinyurl.com/y9tg6e8

"American Flyer S Gauge Very Rare Talking Station,NO.799"

OK, so it looks just like mine and is missing the flag and paper clocks
also just like mine. Greenberg says $182 tops but this guy is asking $650.

Another example of trying to milk it for all it's worth or are these
really that rare?

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59765 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: 300AC/DC
Greetings! My thanks to Cousin Bill and all who sent your thoughts on my "black box" Question. Need your help again wi th the power supply and the wireing. Is the power supply AC or DC ? The wireing is as followes looking from the motor forward....Right pin to the AC lead, Left pin to left brush. Left field to the minus lead, Right field to the the plus lead. I wired in the headlight going from the left brush to the headlight and from the headlight to the left AC lead. Does this sound correct? Again my thanks for the information and education, am learning a lot. Charlie in W. MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59766 From: Edward Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
..In answer to your question George...RE:....NOT A THING..this outfit believes in selling Thousand dollar apples...which we all know ..you dont need to sell lots ...just one...LikePT said...theres one born every min....

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y9tg6e8
>
> "American Flyer S Gauge Very Rare Talking Station,NO.799"
>
> OK, so it looks just like mine and is missing the flag and paper clocks
> also just like mine. Greenberg says $182 tops but this guy is asking $650.
>
> Another example of trying to milk it for all it's worth or are these
> really that rare?
>
> George Cohn
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59767 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Has Lionel Moved
N.J., Isn't that where Lionel started?

--- On Sat, 3/13/10, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote:


From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Has Lionel Moved
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:08 PM


 



I understand Lionel is closed for a few weeks while they move. I hear they are moving to NJ. I guess they figure if they are closer to a quality S gauge manufacturer, it will rub off on them.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "yorktown26" <yorktown26@ ...> wrote:
>
> A buddy of mine returned his Flyonel AF Big Boy to his retailer who is having trouble reaching Lionel either by phone or Email. The retailer obtained limited info that Lionel is moving. Is this true and if so does anybody have the new location and details ??
>
> Thanks
>











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59768 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 300AC/DC
Charlie,

What is the real question here? If you have a wound field the motor is on either, if the field does not have a winding it is DC for sure.. With the four wires coming from the tender the E unit must be in the tender or a added rectifier is in the tender, if you have two wires from the tender the E unit or the added rectifier is in the boiler with no smoke. What are you using as track power or plan to use?


gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: charlie and edith
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 300AC/DC



Greetings! My thanks to Cousin Bill and all who sent your thoughts on my "black box" Question. Need your help again wi th the power supply and the wireing. Is the power supply AC or DC ? The wireing is as followes looking from the motor forward....Right pin to the AC lead, Left pin to left brush. Left field to the minus lead, Right field to the the plus lead. I wired in the headlight going from the left brush to the headlight and from the headlight to the left AC lead. Does this sound correct? Again my thanks for the information and education, am learning a lot. Charlie in W. MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59769 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Hi George,
If anyone buys that station for $650, I'll sell them the Clock Sticker for $25.
That station in that condition should bring maybe $125.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:

From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 12:18 AM







 









http://tinyurl. com/y9tg6e8



"American Flyer S Gauge Very Rare Talking Station,NO.799"



OK, so it looks just like mine and is missing the flag and paper clocks

also just like mine. Greenberg says $182 tops but this guy is asking $650.



Another example of trying to milk it for all it's worth or are these

really that rare?



George Cohn























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59770 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer in australia
Thanks Michael,

There is plenty to see and study in there. I especially liked the
rusting roof in the last photo.

Are there many layouts depicting Australian settings? Or is there not
much difference?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael robinson
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer in australia

well heres some pics of flyer in austraila
,http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/174020156/pic/list
Group: S-Trains Message: 59771 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Video Posted
Excellent, Thanks for sharing.

How did you get those big, dual, Flyer transformers to be so short?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Video Posted

Hi All,

I've posted a new video of my layout progress on YouTube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suhrjv7VW54

I have an American Models Budd passenger train and an American Flyer
freight train running. You can also see the progress on the layout with
the switches and uncouplers all wired, the outside skirt in place, the
perimeter facade in place, some control buttons mounted on the perimeter
and the control panel nearing completion.

Next step is to start applying scenery.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59772 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 2010 Spring Spree, S-Fest West and S-Fest East
Hi Folks,



On another Yahoo group, I was just reminded that there is a very nice
Calendar feature on the group homepage. Maybe the organizers of S-Spree,
S-Fest East and S-Fest West would consider adding notices about those
events to this group's calendar page.



It couldn't hurt.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 2010 Spring Spree



Fellow S Gaugers,

I just received a message from our club webmaster, and after a couple of
Sundays work, the SMSG website has been updated. The updating was to
give the general S community access to the latest info on the 2010
Spring S Spree being sponsored and hosted jointly by the Southeastern
Michigan S Gaugers and the Central Ohio S Gaugers.

Here's the link, although you might have to enter it by hand:
www.smsgtrains.org. On the home page, scroll down to "2010 'S' Spree
INFO". Click on it for access to registration forms, schedules and a
list of hotels. I you need and other info, I'd prefer if you contact me
via email, as my poor wife doesn't wish to act as my secretary!

In few weeks, we'll also have more photos posted on the S-Mod and
Display Layouts. Keep coming back!

Jerry Poniatowski
Registrar






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59773 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 300AC/DC
Hi Charlie,

Yes, connect the headlight leads to the terminals marked as AC. That
will connect them to the rails and it will work.

I was just looking for my wiring diagram for putting a diode bridge in
place of a reversing unit. It appears I relied on links to existing web
pages and those pages are not to be found.

I'll keep looking because the drawing was a very nice one. If I cannot
find it, I will study the locos I have converted and make a new drawing.

I expect that your loco will run best on DC now that it has the diode
bridge. You can control the direction by switching the polarity of the
wires. It will also run on AC, but, you will not be able to reverse the
direction. If it is wired as I expect it to be. The motor always gets
the same polarity and the field changes its polarity when the rails get
switched.

First, I need to find that drawing.

If any of our colleagues knows of a good drawing, this would be a good
time to speak up.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of charlie and edith
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:18 AM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 300AC/DC

Greetings!
My thanks to Cousin Bill and all who sent your thoughts on my "black
box" Question. Need your help again wi th the power supply and the
wireing. Is the power supply AC or DC ? The wireing is as followes
looking from the motor forward....Right pin to the AC lead, Left pin to
left brush. Left field to the minus lead, Right field to the the plus
lead. I wired in the headlight going from the left brush to the
headlight and from the headlight to the left AC lead. Does this sound
correct? Again my thanks for the information and education, am learning
a lot. Charlie in W. MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59774 From: Jim Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Diesel yoke keepers
I've been working on a 361 B unit. I ran into a shorting problem and found a bad insulating bushing on a yoke assembly. Anyway, in looking at the blow-ups in the service manuals to find a part number, it shows a round retaining ring holding the yoke up into the frame. Mine has a cotter pin through a tiny hole in the post. (A hand rail cotter pin fits perfectly). No circular retaining ring at all. This set-up works just fine, but I was wondering if some came with the cotter pin and some with the retaining ring, or if mine was a later owner-modification?
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59775 From: George Cohn Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
>
> Hi George,
> If anyone buys that station for $650, I'll sell them the Clock Sticker
> for $25.
> That station in that condition should bring maybe $125.

That's why I asked.

Mine looks to be in the same or better condition, missing only the flag
and clock sticker. The reproducer on mine is original as is the record
and both in great shape.

The only negative mine has is the windows have developed a bow in them
and I need to take them out and flatten them.

I don't like playing the original stations much because the reproducer
and needle are like a tiny lathe and grind away at the record every time
it's played.

Since I'm an electronics/computer geek, I have some ideas for an
electronic version similar to the newer Lionel one but capable of
playing a half dozen or more different messages.

I used to use similar technology called a RAN or Recorded Announcement
Machine when I worked in telecom for the various recorded messages one
hears on the phone. It's not that hard to do and the hardware is not
terribly expensive and it's completely digital.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 59776 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Hi Folks,



I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
gone. Does anyone have any information?



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59777 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
I believe he said he was taking it down at one time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site



Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59778 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
From: Alan Lambert Lone Flyer Club
Go to  www.trainweb.org  scroll down and you will find it listed.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 4:35 PM


 



I believe he said he was taking it down at one time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59779 From: Coopers Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Hi

Site appears to be working

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/

Best Regards,

Art
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site



I believe he said he was taking it down at one time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59780 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
Hi George,
� I got the clock and the flag and these are a lot cheaper than $25.  If you need those contact me off site seccia@....
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:

From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What makes this 799 talking station so valuable?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 12:43 PM







 









Sheila Seccia wrote:

>

>

> Hi George,

> If anyone buys that station for $650, I'll sell them the Clock Sticker

> for $25.

> That station in that condition should bring maybe $125.



That's why I asked.



Mine looks to be in the same or better condition, missing only the flag

and clock sticker. The reproducer on mine is original as is the record

and both in great shape.



The only negative mine has is the windows have developed a bow in them

and I need to take them out and flatten them.



I don't like playing the original stations much because the reproducer

and needle are like a tiny lathe and grind away at the record every time

it's played.



Since I'm an electronics/ computer geek, I have some ideas for an

electronic version similar to the newer Lionel one but capable of

playing a half dozen or more different messages.



I used to use similar technology called a RAN or Recorded Announcement

Machine when I worked in telecom for the various recorded messages one

hears on the phone. It's not that hard to do and the hardware is not

terribly expensive and it's completely digital.



George Cohn























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59781 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel yoke keepers
Hi Jim,
� The only two retainers for the GP7 and Alco diesels shafts that I know of are PA11492 which is like an internal lockwasher and P-10800 "C" Clip.  The PA11492 was used on the earlier diesels. It is possible that on an early "B" Unit such as a 361 that the factory did have that knid of a setup.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote:

From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel yoke keepers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 1:54 PM







 









I've been working on a 361 B unit. I ran into a shorting problem and found a bad insulating bushing on a yoke assembly. Anyway, in looking at the blow-ups in the service manuals to find a part number, it shows a round retaining ring holding the yoke up into the frame. Mine has a cotter pin through a tiny hole in the post. (A hand rail cotter pin fits perfectly). No circular retaining ring at all. This set-up works just fine, but I was wondering if some came with the cotter pin and some with the retaining ring, or if mine was a later owner-modification?

Jim E.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59782 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Updated Website
Updated my operator equipment website at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  There is a nice K335 Northern looking for a home at an affordable price.  Thanks for looking.

Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59783 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel yoke keepers
The earliest ones had the cotter pin keeping the yoke in place. The snap
rings were 2nd and final generation.
If your insulating bushing(s) are bad they are available from all the parts
dealers.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 03/15/2010 1:13:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jimensign50@... writes:




I've been working on a 361 B unit. I ran into a shorting problem and found
a bad insulating bushing on a yoke assembly. Anyway, in looking at the
blow-ups in the service manuals to find a part number, it shows a round
retaining ring holding the yoke up into the frame. Mine has a cotter pin through
a tiny hole in the post. (A hand rail cotter pin fits perfectly). No
circular retaining ring at all. This set-up works just fine, but I was wondering
if some came with the cotter pin and some with the retaining ring, or if
mine was a later owner-modification?
Jim E.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59784 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Video Posted
Hi Bill,

Those are both 30B, 18V transformers. They sit on a shelve 3 1/2" below the control panel surface.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Excellent, Thanks for sharing.
>
> How did you get those big, dual, Flyer transformers to be so short?
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of bull_gator_1
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:47 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Video Posted
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've posted a new video of my layout progress on YouTube at:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suhrjv7VW54
>
> I have an American Models Budd passenger train and an American Flyer
> freight train running. You can also see the progress on the layout with
> the switches and uncouplers all wired, the outside skirt in place, the
> perimeter facade in place, some control buttons mounted on the perimeter
> and the control panel nearing completion.
>
> Next step is to start applying scenery.
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59785 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Thanks, That worked fine for me.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Coopers
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

Hi

Site appears to be working

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/

Best Regards,

Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 59786 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer in australia
Mike in Australia.

very nicely done.

Can you tell us how you got into AF trains in Australia? You have a fine collecton of things where they purchased in shoppes in your country or outiside.

Also, you have many American Flags on the layout.

I would think you would of changed them over to your countries flags?

So, we have two AF people in Australia. Good to hear.

Mike in Maryland, US.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59787 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: 300AC/DC
Greetings! Thanks for your response! This engine came in a box of 4 engines and 3 tenders for repair. The302 had a tender match so I started there. In place of the E-unit was the rectifier and the headlight wires had been cut off. Not having any experience with this type of set up, the "group" came to my rescue with identification. I wanted to check the wireing pattern before I applied power and if AC would be workable as that is my only power source. I think AC will be the owners choice as the balance of the engines have E-units. AS "cousin" Bill suggested, All thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes! Charlie in W. MI
From: Gale Hall
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 300AC/DC



Charlie,

What is the real question here? If you have a wound field the motor is on either, if the field does not have a winding it is DC for sure.. With the four wires coming from the tender the E unit must be in the tender or a added rectifier is in the tender, if you have two wires from the tender the E unit or the added rectifier is in the boiler with no smoke. What are you using as track power or plan to use?

gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: charlie and edith
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 300AC/DC

Greetings! My thanks to Cousin Bill and all who sent your thoughts on my "black box" Question. Need your help again wi th the power supply and the wireing. Is the power supply AC or DC ? The wireing is as followes looking from the motor forward....Right pin to the AC lead, Left pin to left brush. Left field to the minus lead, Right field to the the plus lead. I wired in the headlight going from the left brush to the headlight and from the headlight to the left AC lead. Does this sound correct? Again my thanks for the information and education, am learning a lot. Charlie in W. MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59788 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
My error as the site is up.

I think it was something about any pictures on his site maybe.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site



I believe he said he was taking it down at one time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59789 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Parts are up, parts are not. The links for sure are down, Mike


In a message dated 3/15/2010 7:15:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




My error as the site is up.

I think it was something about any pictures on his site maybe.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

I believe he said he was taking it down at one time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59790 From: tbennerohio Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Rebushing a 360
The front truck is noticeably slower than the rear and the new bushings have been on the shelf for a couple of years so it's about time to rebush the old 360. It still runs pretty well but why not do the preventive maintenance. Besides, the B unit needs to come apart to wire in a speaker cutoff since installing TMCC. (I toggle between TMCC and standard AF power when I want to hear the airchime, but that's another post)

Before starting any new AF project I always check the archives here. There are tons of posts about rebushing and the cause of accelerated bushing wear being the current passing through the bushings. Makes sense to me. Has anyone seen an alternative current path solution(maybe a wheel wiper) available to try and mitigate the wear problem?

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 59791 From: lember2004 Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: S Fest - Chicago?
October 22-24

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bellian <YardMasterModels@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, What are the dates for this.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...>
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Mar 12, 2010 8:46 pm
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?
>
>
>
>
>
> Chicago-Tinley Park
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>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> From: albaker33@...
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:43:12 +0000
> Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest - Chicago?
>
> Hi,
> Where and when is S-Fest (east) this year?
> Al Baker
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59792 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel yoke keepers
Thanks for the info, Steve.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:08:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Diesel yoke keepers






The earliest ones had the cotter pin keeping the yoke in place. The snap
rings were 2nd and final generation.
If your insulating bushing(s) are bad they are available from all the parts
dealers.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 03/15/2010 1:13:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jimensign50@... writes:

I've been working on a 361 B unit. I ran into a shorting problem and found
a bad insulating bushing on a yoke assembly. Anyway, in looking at the
blow-ups in the service manuals to find a part number, it shows a round
retaining ring holding the yoke up into the frame. Mine has a cotter pin through
a tiny hole in the post. (A hand rail cotter pin fits perfectly). No
circular retaining ring at all. This set-up works just fine, but I was wondering
if some came with the cotter pin and some with the retaining ring, or if
mine was a later owner-modification?
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59793 From: Jerry Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Spring S Spree
Guys,

With all the talk about the Fall S Fest (a great event in a great venue) don't forget the Spring S Spree here in Dearborn, Michigan! We have a full schedule of clinics planned, a large dealer hall with six layouts, layout tours, and a special dinner with the New York Central System Historical Society planned at the Henry Ford Museum. The dinner is a special one with the whole museum open to our group and the NYC guys. You an climb over the Allegheny (almost) all you want! Plus the food is fantastic! And they have other stuff too.....

So if you need a dose of S as the "train season" winds down, go to our website "smsgtrains-dot-org" and let me know if you're coming. We've put a lot of work into this event and hope to see a lot of S folks!

Jerry Poniatowski
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 59794 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTzLVIc-O5E

Sorry, could not resists this, as Mike's email reminded me of the above, Parts are Parts.

And who can forget Frank Purdue
the late great chicken maven "Parts is parts," he used to say.

okay now back to normal train programming.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site



Parts are up, parts are not. The links for sure are down, Mike


In a message dated 3/15/2010 7:15:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

My error as the site is up.

I think it was something about any pictures on his site maybe.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

I believe he said he was taking it down at one time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site

Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59795 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
This one?

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/

Rick



On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Bill Porter wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
> gone. Does anyone have any information?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59796 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Paul Yorke and the S-Trains Site
Wow! My post took a while to show up!

On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Rick Evans wrote:

> This one?
>
> http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Bill Porter wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site () and it appears to be
>> gone. Does anyone have any information?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> Reply from Bill Porter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Enjoy thousands of great photos
>> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59797 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
I need to get to sell some of my S trains, mainly, but not exclusively
American Flyer. I may list some items on this Yahoo group and also on the
S-Available for Sale Yahoo group, but I would prefer to put them on eBay. I
am pressed for time and so I would consider using Ebay dealers who are well
qualified to sell S scale trains.

If you are a dealer who is interested and well qualified, please feel free
to contact me off-line at _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...)
with ebay dealer name and some idea of what % of sales proceeds that I
would receive if you sold the trains for me.

Thanks - Earl Henry


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59798 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Updated Website
See my updated website for operator equipment.  For some reason, my address for the site is incorrectly displayed when it is sent to the group. The only thing displayed when you click on the address is ains4u.com.  You can reach me at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  The best way to get to the site is to Google it.  Thanks for your "S" friendship and sorry for the inconvience. 

Bob 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59799 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: (no subject)
Hi Folks,



I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site (
<http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/> www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ ) and it
appears to be gone. Does anyone have any information?



Bill



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59800 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Hi Bill,

It is working here.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: [S-Trains]



Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site (
<http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/> www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ ) and it
appears to be gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59801 From: alanlambert2006 Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Paul York's website
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club

Dear Bill,
I have Windows Internet Explorer, and using the link on your message I got to his website. I can get by regular ways as well.
Thanks,
Alan

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site (
> <http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/> www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ ) and it
> appears to be gone. Does anyone have any information?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59802 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
Post the info when you get it


--- On Tue, 3/16/10, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote:


From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 4:45 PM


 



I need to get to sell some of my S trains, mainly, but not exclusively
American Flyer. I may list some items on this Yahoo group and also on the
S-Available for Sale Yahoo group, but I would prefer to put them on eBay. I
am pressed for time and so I would consider using Ebay dealers who are well
qualified to sell S scale trains.

If you are a dealer who is interested and well qualified, please feel free
to contact me off-line at _tennsgauge@ aol.com_ (mailto:tennsgauge@aol. com)
with ebay dealer name and some idea of what % of sales proceeds that I
would receive if you sold the trains for me.

Thanks - Earl Henry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59803 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Updated Website
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Iannacone
. . . . . . For some reason, my address for the site is incorrectly
displayed when it is sent to the group. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
This works for me
http://www.americanflyertrains4u.com/
Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 59804 From: Jerry Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: 3/16 day - What I Did
Guys,

I finally put the finishing touches on a little project I've had in the back of (what's left of) my mind for a while. It's a backhead kit for the American Models Northern.

When I got my locomotive a couple of years ago, I looked in the cab and saw a lot of NOTHING but a flywheel. The loco is WAY too nice not to have its interior finished off a bit. So I made a backhead and seat assembly for it. I cast the backhead in resin and have a complete kit for sale to my fellow S fellows. The kit can be viewed in the photo section under "Jerry's Trains - (all sorts of stuffe)". The last photos are of the kit's contents and views of it installed in my Northern. The kit consists of the backhead, two seat and base assemblies (painted) and templates for filling in the hole in the floor. Take a look, and if you're interested in a kit, contact me off list. I can send an instruction sheet "gratis".

Jerry Poniatowski
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 59805 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re:
Not all of the click on links work. Mike


In a message dated 3/16/2010 5:47:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Hi Bill,

It is working here.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: [S-Trains]

Hi Folks,

I just tried to visit Paul Yorke's S-Trains site (
<_http://www.trainwebhttp://www.tra_ (http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/) >
www.trainweb. www.trainweb.<WBR
appears to be gone. Does anyone have any information?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59806 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Updated Website
Great Tom.  Thanks for getting back to me.

Bob



________________________________
From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 5:24:46 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Updated Website

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Iannacone
. . . . . . For some reason, my address for the site is incorrectly
displayed when it is sent to the group. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
This works for me
http://www.american flyertrains4u. com/
Tom Hawley







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59807 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
Hi Earl,
� Please contact me off line seccia@....  I've sold a lot of trains and parts on Ebay including American Flyer, Lionel, HO, N Ga. and G Gauge.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote:

From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for Ebay Dealers to sell my AF trains
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 4:45 PM







 









I need to get to sell some of my S trains, mainly, but not exclusively

American Flyer. I may list some items on this Yahoo group and also on the

S-Available for Sale Yahoo group, but I would prefer to put them on eBay. I

am pressed for time and so I would consider using Ebay dealers who are well

qualified to sell S scale trains.



If you are a dealer who is interested and well qualified, please feel free

to contact me off-line at _tennsgauge@ aol.com_ (mailto:tennsgauge@aol. com)

with ebay dealer name and some idea of what % of sales proceeds that I

would receive if you sold the trains for me.



Thanks - Earl Henry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59808 From: michael robinson Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: flyer in australia
hi all , american flyer was sold in australia in the 1950s but not much here to find now all the flyer and plasticville i have got of ebay from the usa and just waiting for my new engine a flylionel 4-8-4 , my first set i got form canada and have not stoped buying it as i have never seen a real all electric train set before ,and yes i keep it american with ur flags sorry if there not on the table but over the larst year or two i have collected so much of flyer and plasticville i have to keep a lot in boxers as i have no room to put it on the table . the postage is the killer for me but its ok , its great that u can get parts for it two sorry to say that the ho here is a 1 way street when it stops u put it in the bin and i have not seen many  ho layouts here what i have seen is not that good but there must be some good 1s hidden away .Its great that u can get parts for the flyer and even plasticville , and its nice that ppl pass info on great site keep
the good work up .




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59809 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Flyer in Australia
Mike...Glad you're enjoying American Flyer. I don't know about HO layouts there, but I do know that there are some really good On30 people there with some great railways. You might want to look on the Internet for On30 information.
Stumpy Stone...Upper Redneckia...USA
Group: S-Trains Message: 59810 From: michael robinson Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Flyer
well i have found my trains american flyer and i wont change now flyer is great the s gauge will be all my intrest from now on no ho for me unless its flyer ho but i more than happy with the s gauge its unreal i love it so no turning back for me american flyer only thats what i wont ok its great best train  stuf i have ever seen , so i wont to buy more of it ok , when ur on a good thing stik with it sorry for the spelling but u will get over it ok




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59811 From: Bob C Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Layouts Wanted For Southern Calif. Tour - June 2010
I'm looking for operating layouts (completed or reasonably completed) to display on an upcoming layout tour in Southern California.

Although Layout Tour #19 is still a few days away I am already working on Layout Tour #20 for this coming June.

Layout Tour #20 will cover North and Central Orange County on either June 19 or June 26. Both dates are Saturdays.

If you are interested in having your layout on this tour, please contact me OFF LIST (just click on the "Send Message" line at the right top corner of this page) and tell me if either date works for you and what hours you wish to be open.

If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please feel free to contact me. I hope you'll join with other area layout owners and show your layout to your fellow model railroaders.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Moderator
Model Railroads Of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
Group: S-Trains Message: 59812 From: Alistair Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer in australia
Mike we are not demonstrative as far as flying the flag goes in Australia. We are mostly proud of our flag and there are plenty in evidence on special and sporting occasions but few Australians have flags flying at home, unlike the practice in the US. I guess it is cultural differences coming from the different births of our nations. There was no need here to constantly publically assert our independence, in a country with a non revolutionary national birth, through a visible totem like your flag, which has been an ongoing focus for loyalties in the face, initially, of threats from the Mother country and then to establish loyalty with your huge influxes of immigrants from foreign countries. Alistair.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
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> Mike in Australia.
>
> very nicely done.
>
> Can you tell us how you got into AF trains in Australia? You have a fine collecton of things where they purchased in shoppes in your country or outiside.
>
> Also, you have many American Flags on the layout.
>
> I would think you would of changed them over to your countries flags?
>
> So, we have two AF people in Australia. Good to hear.
>
> Mike in Maryland, US.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59813 From: Jerry Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Guys,

To anybody's knowledge, has Lionel ever done an AF boxcar with
(1)lettering on the doors and (2)car ends? I've seen lettering on the
doors of reefers, but not on boxcars before. And there is none on any
ends of the cars I have.

The reason I ask, is that (and here comes a shameless plug) our train
club Spree car this year has both. It's a GN boxcar reminiscent of the
Gilbert 24047 offering. However, it's been updated with clearer
graphics, and as previously stated, more data on the car. I'll post
photos of it on the Yahoo photos page under Jerry's Trains later today
or tomorrow. We're pretty proud of this car! As if you couldn't
guess....

Jerry Poniatowski
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, MI


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59814 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: flyer in australia
Thanks Mike for explaining more about your interest in AF and how it was sold in Australia.

Great to hear, hope to see more and hear more from you from Australia on your trains.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: michael robinson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: flyer in australia



hi all , american flyer was sold in australia in the 1950s but not much here to find now all the flyer and plasticville i have got of ebay from the usa and just waiting for my new engine a flylionel 4-8-4 , my first set i got form canada and have not stoped buying it as i have never seen a real all electric train set before ,and yes i keep it american with ur flags sorry if there not on the table but over the larst year or two i have collected so much of flyer and plasticville i have to keep a lot in boxers as i have no room to put it on the table . the postage is the killer for me but its ok , its great that u can get parts for it two sorry to say that the ho here is a 1 way street when it stops u put it in the bin and i have not seen many ho layouts here what i have seen is not that good but there must be some good 1s hidden away .Its great that u can get parts for the flyer and even plasticville , and its nice that ppl pass info on great site keep
the good work up .

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59815 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Fw: Fire Tower menaced by giant cat
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/744280363/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=501&count=20&dir=asc

The following news report goes with the above picture of a fire water tower that I am making for the industrial area.

It is the work of the ghost writer, not me.

Mikes-


Dingburg, MD (Reuters) -

Employees of the Corrugated Box Company staged a sick-out after a fifteen-foot cat was seen lurking behind the factory's water tower. The gigantic black-and-white cat is believed to be the same one that terrorized the grounds crew at nearby S Helper Service Field. Pinheads center-fielder "Mosquito" Rodriguez has not been heard from since a huge cat bounded over the backstop and ran through the stadium nearly a month ago.

Although the cat was allegedly found hiding in an Ireland bookshelf outside the city limits, CBC workers have been sipping Irish of a different type at Sindbad's.

A six foot shamrock, believed to have been dragged there by the cat, was boiled with corned beef and served for dinner by Mrs. Hugo Chavez.

G W

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59816 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Spree car plug - part two
Jerry has told you about our really cool AF(Lionel) spree car for collectors, so let me add that we have another spree car for operators.

It's a blue Grand Trunk gondola, done by American Models, available scale or high-rail. It's based on GT's gondolas of the 146xxx & 147xxx series . See for instance http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gtw/gtw147778b.jpg Our gondola has appropriate end lettering too, something AM doesn't always do.

See also
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gtw/gtw146000rma.jpg with its "Baled Scrap Only" markings. We can furnish cars so marked at no extra charge, and for an extra $6 we will actually throw in a baled scrap load.

The order forms for both the Lionel boxcar and the AM gondola are in this Yahoo group's Files, under 2010_Spring_Spree. Note you do have to register for the Spree to be eligible to buy either car, but once you're registered, you can get as many of each car as you want.

Tom Hawley -- 2010 Spring Spree Committee



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59817 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer
Mike,

again thanks for letting us know how much you like AF trains over anything else.

Question, and maybe Alistair might know this too. Any train manufacturers in your country or is it mostly imported.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael robinson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Flyer



well i have found my trains american flyer and i wont change now flyer is great the s gauge will be all my intrest from now on no ho for me unless its flyer ho but i more than happy with the s gauge its unreal i love it so no turning back for me american flyer only thats what i wont ok its great best train stuf i have ever seen , so i wont to buy more of it ok , when ur on a good thing stik with it sorry for the spelling but u will get over it ok

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59818 From: linkuphost Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: My American Flyer Collection
Some of you saw my earlier post which by mistake was appended to someone else's post regarding splitting up an AF collection.

I posted some pictures and mentioned there was more of the collection buried and not in the pictures.

The split was out of state, and despite driving down in a SUV, I was unable to bring back only a portion of my share of the estate. I had to leave all of the AF items behind, waiting for my brother to come back with a trailer. He arrived today and we unloaded the AF stuff on the porch.

80+% of what you see in this picture is AF stuff:

http://linkuphosting.com/af_collection.jpg

Obviously the Betty Grable WWII target training poster on the top of the pile isn't AF.

What you see represents about 1/4 of the collection.

The box on top from the American Flyer Frontiersman was supposedly the first he bought with the intention it ultimately go to me. In his handwriting it says "$34.98 List". The set was being sold in his sister's Five and Dime store at Christmas time and he told her if it didn't sell, he would buy it, at cost of course :)

Some day, cracking open the boxes and finding out what I have, will be a major project. In the mean time, I have to make room for them somewhere in the house... I wouldn't dare show you the picture of my dining room after I emptied my SUV :)

Lew
Group: S-Trains Message: 59819 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer
These days there are a few backyard manufacturers of kit stuff,
mostly in Ho which has been King here from the late 50's on. We did
have some good o gauge toy manufacturers in the 40's and 50's - the
big three being Robilt, Ferris amd Maurlyn. Amogst other things the
first and last made models of the Victorian Railways S class
streamliners, whose bodies were somewhat like the Vanderbuilt or
Aeolius locos. Alas all gone! Alistair
On Thu 18/03/10 9:56 AM , "michael and Linda Marmer"
mlmarmer@... sent:
Mike,
again thanks for letting us know how much you like AF trains over
anything else.
Question, and maybe Alistair might know this too. Any train
manufacturers in your country or is it mostly imported.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael robinson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Flyer
well i have found my trains american flyer and i wont change now
flyer is great the s gauge will be all my intrest from now on no ho
for me unless its flyer ho but i more than happy with the s gauge its
unreal i love it so no turning back for me american flyer only thats
what i wont ok its great best train stuf i have ever seen , so i wont
to buy more of it ok , when ur on a good thing stik with it sorry for
the spelling but u will get over it ok
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59820 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
The animal cars, Donald, Goofy, etc. Have printing on the doors. No ends.
Steve


In a message dated 03/17/2010 5:30:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
poniaj@... writes:

To anybody's knowledge, has Lionel ever done an AF boxcar with
(1)lettering on the doors and (2)car ends? I've seen lettering on the
doors of reefers, but not on boxcars before. And there is none on any
ends of the cars I have.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59821 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Jo-Ann
Yes, now Jo-Ann has showed up at the layout with her designer fabric for the train table skirt to be made when everything is done.

The fabric is Home Essentials as yes, this is essentials to ever train layout, as the color is a light tan.

I did not think I could top Kathy Ireland and her bookcase and food network placemats to line the shelves on the placemats.

I can't wait for all of them to show up in person.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59822 From: Jerry Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: 2010 Spree Dearborn, MI - car photos
Guys,

I decided to upload the photos of our Spree car in the Files section in the 2010_Spring_Spree folder. A lot of information concerning the Spree is in that folder as well. Take a look at the graphics on the car ends and doors. As Tom Hawley mentioned, this isn't the only car we have. The GT gondola is also a great looking car (I'll get actual photos of the car posted soon). Both our cars are labeled with prototypical numbers, even though the Flyer car isn't exactly the prototype. It goes very well with all the other GN cars offered over the years.

I've also uploaded some photos of the backhead conversion I did on my American Models Northern locomotive. They're in "Jerry's Trains" Fun project!

Jerry Poniatowski
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 59823 From: navmedguy Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: TMCC "shorting" question
Hello,

My 300 Atlantic equipped with ERR cruise TMCC and sound commander is great, but for the fact that it will often stall and require re-addressing when it passes over any track solder joints. The american models flex track and turnouts are joined with metal rail joiners and soldered on the outside of the rails at every joint. The solder protrudes perhpas 1mm from the outside edge of the track.

The TMCC is the legacy system. My conventional loco runs just fine with no pauses anywhere (a 4-6-2 312.)

It does seem that the TMCC loco will often pass over the smaller solder joints but typically stall on the larger ones. I'm not sure about that. Also, any sparking at the AM turnouts seems to bring things to a halt as well. This generally requires that I nudge the loco forward a cm or two and then all works fine again. Currently the operating track is just a small oval with feeder power leads every 4 feet or so.

Thoughts?


thanks dr y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59824 From: jim_marski Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: AF LTI Coors cars
Rocky Mountain Division of TCA hosted the 2007 TCA national convention. In connection with the convention, RMD had Lionel produce a Coors Brewing Company insulated boxcar #6-48253. We found we have a couple left in storage. If anyone is interested, they are available through our web store at shop.rmtts.com

Jim Marski
Group: S-Trains Message: 59825 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
A couple of things,

To help the stalling on track joints try adding a 1uf non polarized
capacitor accross the track voltage in the tender of the Atlantic.
The Capacitor will help suppress noise that can glitch the processor.

The other thing is the AF tender trucks barley span the insulated frof on the AM turnouts. Any dirt will stall the loco.
Be sure you have trucks with the addional slider shoe. It will help.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC "shorting" question



Hello,

My 300 Atlantic equipped with ERR cruise TMCC and sound commander is
great, but for the fact that it will often stall and require re-addressing
when it passes over any track solder joints. The american models flex track
and turnouts are joined with metal rail joiners and soldered on the outside
of the rails at every joint. The solder protrudes perhpas 1mm from the
outside edge of the track.

The TMCC is the legacy system. My conventional loco runs just fine with no
pauses anywhere (a 4-6-2 312.)

It does seem that the TMCC loco will often pass over the smaller solder
joints but typically stall on the larger ones. I'm not sure about that.
Also, any sparking at the AM turnouts seems to bring things to a halt as
well. This generally requires that I nudge the loco forward a cm or two and
then all works fine again. Currently the operating track is just a small
oval with feeder power leads every 4 feet or so.

Thoughts?

thanks dr y






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59826 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
I would suggest putting the 4 wheel pickup trucks from SHS on your 300. I suspect you are getting noise from intermittent contact.


From: navmedguy
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC "shorting" question



Hello,

My 300 Atlantic equipped with ERR cruise TMCC and sound commander is great, but for the fact that it will often stall and require re-addressing when it passes over any track solder joints. The american models flex track and turnouts are joined with metal rail joiners and soldered on the outside of the rails at every joint. The solder protrudes perhpas 1mm from the outside edge of the track.

The TMCC is the legacy system. My conventional loco runs just fine with no pauses anywhere (a 4-6-2 312.)

It does seem that the TMCC loco will often pass over the smaller solder joints but typically stall on the larger ones. I'm not sure about that. Also, any sparking at the AM turnouts seems to bring things to a halt as well. This generally requires that I nudge the loco forward a cm or two and then all works fine again. Currently the operating track is just a small oval with feeder power leads every 4 feet or so.

Thoughts?

thanks dr y





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59827 From: william yavelak Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Thank you.  I'll definitely look into that.   Is it difficult to replace the old 300 atlantic trucks?

dr y




________________________________
From: Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TMCC "shorting" question

 
I would suggest putting the 4 wheel pickup trucks from SHS on your 300. I suspect you are getting noise from intermittent contact.

From: navmedguy
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC "shorting" question

Hello,

My 300 Atlantic equipped with ERR cruise TMCC and sound commander is great, but for the fact that it will often stall and require re-addressing when it passes over any track solder joints. The american models flex track and turnouts are joined with metal rail joiners and soldered on the outside of the rails at every joint. The solder protrudes perhpas 1mm from the outside edge of the track.

The TMCC is the legacy system. My conventional loco runs just fine with no pauses anywhere (a 4-6-2 312.)

It does seem that the TMCC loco will often pass over the smaller solder joints but typically stall on the larger ones. I'm not sure about that. Also, any sparking at the AM turnouts seems to bring things to a halt as well. This generally requires that I nudge the loco forward a cm or two and then all works fine again. Currently the operating track is just a small oval with feeder power leads every 4 feet or so.

Thoughts?

thanks dr y

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59828 From: navmedguy Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Thanks all.

Carl - I'll definitely try the capacitor. My son definitely loves the new sounds, but has expressed his dissatisfaction with the stalling. Daddy agrees....

I googled and searched on portline hobbies for the slider shoes. No luck. Any idea where I can find them? Also, I've been pondering it without much success --- ever think about modifying the AM frog?

Thanks. dr y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59829 From: carl4flyer Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
You would have to replace the trucks. There is a post for mounting the pickup shoes that is not in the older trucks, but at least they will look like AF truck if you are trying to keep that look.

The AM trucks will have better pickup with all wheels conducting.

The Capacitor can be added at the AC track voltage connections on the Commander board.

Carl

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "navmedguy" <navmedguy@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Carl - I'll definitely try the capacitor. My son definitely loves the new sounds, but has expressed his dissatisfaction with the stalling. Daddy agrees....
>
> I googled and searched on portline hobbies for the slider shoes. No luck. Any idea where I can find them? Also, I've been pondering it without much success --- ever think about modifying the AM frog?
>
> Thanks. dr y
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59830 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: TMCC shorting
I don't know if this is the answer for your problem but I have seen a very similar situation that I had with a 343 AC 0-8-0 switcher. This engine had one of the tires loose on the plastic insulator and it would short out intermittently on some Flyer turnouts. You might want to check the wheels on the engine.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59831 From: sgaugian Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC shorting
Right. Good to check for any of the usual shorting culprits that don't have to do with it being TMCC converted, and then if not right what from the conversion might be the issue and solution. TMCC converted or not a loose driver rim, worn tender truck fiber bushing, dirty wheels or tracks/switches, and other things can cause shorting or interrupted connection with power.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59832 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Lot"S" more "S" for "S"ale on a make-offer basis
I am helping four people sell their collections.  The
following are in hand and ready to ship upon receipt of payment.  Pictures
and more information for most of these are on my website:

               
http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html



For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking
prices. Make an offer they can't refuse!  Please include your
address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the
total.

 

720A Switches in original box with all packaging inserts and
instruction sheet.  Both switches, the
control, and all lights work properly and reliably.  VG+ $75



963 Green-Stripe  Washington
Observation Car. VG $100.

 

963 Chestnut-Stripe Washington
Observation Car. VG $200





293 New Haven Pacific engine has been serviced and runs
great; smokes and choo-choos well; reversing e-unit sticks almost every time;
one drive wheel wobbles as if the axle is bent. Aesthetically a solid VG $50

 

639 painted yellow boxcar VG- $18

 

639 unpainted yellow boxcar. chip out of one lower corner
and one catwalk end; otherwise a strong VG $10

 

642 unpainted red boxcar VG $19

 

642 painted Tuscan reefer. No rust - a real beauty! Ex- $45

 

642 painted Tuscan reefer. Rust on trucks & frame;
otherwise VG $25

 

648 track cleaning car in original box with no brackets or
pads; otherwise VG $18

 

705 black rail remoth uncoupler; dirty and rust on rail
tops; will clean to VG+ $4





706 remote uncoupler in original box $5

706 uncoupler with no box $2





714 log unloading car VG $55

 

740 Handcar in original box; earlier version; lettering worn
off but shadow is visible; doesn’t run reliably – I think it needs brushes VG
$75

 

760 Highway Flasher both bulbs work strong VG $35

 

686 Track Trip VG $12

686 Track Trip VG- $10

 

802 unpainted Illinois Central reefer; one side has some
nicks and some of the lettering rubbed off; the rest of the car is Ex- $18



805 Pennsylvania Railroad gondola excellent $19

 

916 D&H gondola with all 5 canisters Ex- $30

 

922 GAEX boxcar. No rust. the decal on one side is perfect;
the other side has three small spots missing VG- $30





923 Illinois Central refrigerator car
VG- $17

923 Illinois central refrigerator
car VG $19





931 Texas & Pacific Gondola.  Ex- $13

 

936 flat car with wire reel and both brake wheels Ex- $40
(two of them)





936 flat car with wire reel and both brake wheels; missing
one guy wire and middle wheelsets on both trucks; one coupler broken. Otherwise
VG+ $25





937 Katy boxcar. Dirty; paint scrape on one side; one door
won’t slide $10

 

942 Seaboard boxcar one catwalk end broken; otherwise VG $18



944 Industrial Brownhoist crane car.  This is a beauty!  Ex- $70

 

947 Northern Pacific refrigerator car VG $39





971 Mo & Joe lumber unloading flatcar painted on black
plastic.  Ex- repro boards, no button, or pickup rail. $595

 

977 “rubber man” operating caboose with a chipped corner on
the roof VG $35





984 New Haven boxcar VG-$60

984 New Haven boxcar VG $70





24422 great Northern refrigerator car excellent-$25

24422 great Northern refrigerator car with glue on the roof VG $22





9701 The Rock Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box.
$26 (two of them)

 

 

In addition, the following are currently being offered on
ebay under my ebay name RobtGraves:

 

S-Helper Services 00670 5” track with uncoupler and button. C-10
mint; out of the box only for pictures. 
I bought it for a project that got redesigned so I never used it. $15

 

9100 Gulf Tank Car.  C-10 mint; never out of the box.
$55

 

9400 Chessie System Caboose.  C-10 mint; never out of
the box. $28

 

9701 The Rock Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box.
$26

 

9706 New York
Central Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $80

 

9713 New York
Central Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $36

 

48324 American Flyer 50th Anniversary Boxcar. 
C-10 mint; never out of the box. $43 (two of them)

 

48705 Pennsylvania
Caboose.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $38

 

960 Chestnut-Stripe Columbus
Combination Car. Ex- $215





979 operating caboose with one broken corner of the roof VG
$75





984 New Haven
boxcar VG+ $80

 

 

 






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59833 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: For Sale: 720A Switches in original box
720A Switches in original box with all packaging inserts and
instruction sheet.  Both switches, the
control, and all lights work properly and reliably.  VG+.  If Greenberg priced things this way, my guess is they'd put it at $75. 

How often do you see a 720A box in great condition, complete with all the inserts?











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Group: S-Trains Message: 59834 From: aztecfan Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: For you old Dime Store guys who hung around in the summer when there
trains. May be that is the problem. People look at trains being used only 1 month a year.

Just viewed a Lionel TV show. Can you imagine how sad those smart Lionel people feel now to find out their old GG1 is 6 inches smaller then the new scale GG1.

I never looked as AF as not being scale. Show me an AF engine except the Frontiersman that is under sized.

As a kid a 3 rail train with round track that had engines so fat it looked they were over weight was not in a scale category like AF.

Toy cars. I keep finding more car web sites in my search for toy car shows.

http://homepage.mac.com/pmptworks/SlushToyCars/PhotoAlbum64.html

Send me links on toy car shows so that I can promote our trains to them.
I
Group: S-Trains Message: 59835 From: fahrwud Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Any flyer-bashers have their scale rule handy? What does the Flyonel docksider driver diameter scale out at? I haven't had the opportunity to examine one up close yet, as I'm in the mail order-only-bracket.

Much appreciated,
D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59836 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/19/2010
Subject: MICHIGAN Spring Spree & Spree Cars
I've just got my NASG Dispatch, which contains our flyer for the Spring Spree to be held in Dearborn Michigan 30 April - 1May 2010. The back side of the form has the ordering information for a Lionel collectors' car and an American Models operators' car (scale or high-rail).

The information that the price of these cars increases on 1 March has been amended, the price rise will not take effect until 1 April (no foolin'). You do have to register for the Spree to buy the cars, but once registered, you can buy as many cars of both types as you like.

And a word about the Spree itself. Up till now, it has always been an Ohio event, rotating among three Ohio S clubs. We, the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers, have joined the rotation, and this will be our first Spree. We have come to realize that the "Spree" does not have a 100% quality reputation, or to put it another way, "reviews have been mixed." We want to emphasize that we are the group who very succesfully organized and conducted the 2006 NASG National Convention in Pontiac MI. The Ohio groups are taking a break this year, and our motto is "Putting the Spring back in the Spree."

We have some big dealers in American Flyer, new & used, parts, and other AF-compatible brands (AM, SHS, &c) lined up, and we have scheduled some excellent clinics and layout tours. If you have any questions, contact me or Registrar Jerry Poniatowski ( poniaj@... ).

Tom Hawley -- 2010 Spring Spree Committee


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59837 From: navmedguy Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Ok.
I installed the capacitor properly, but no improvement. The track is clean. The voltage is a solid 18 everywhere. The pickup wheels are clean. Everything runs great until the truck hits that unpowered frog. It's pretty clear now - those 300 AC trucks just fit in the unpowered space.

So.
I don't mind much whether I have authentic AF "look." What's the best (and least painful) option for replacing the trucks.

Someone mentioned SHS trucks but I can't find anything on their site that seems to fit the bill.

What truck (or track?) mod would be best.... I wonder if AM realizes their turnouts don't work very well with TMCC on old locos...

Hmmm.. I wonder if I could dremel out a tiny furrow, just a few millimeters down the frog and zap a tiny wire into the furrow... So long as I didn't extend it too far, it might work. I wonder if those conductive ink pens mark on plastic... probably not.

dr y

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "carl4flyer" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> You would have to replace the trucks. There is a post for mounting the pickup shoes that is not in the older trucks, but at least they will look like AF truck if you are trying to keep that look.
>
> The AM trucks will have better pickup with all wheels conducting.
>
> The Capacitor can be added at the AC track voltage connections on the Commander board.
>
> Carl
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "navmedguy" <navmedguy@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > Carl - I'll definitely try the capacitor. My son definitely loves the new sounds, but has expressed his dissatisfaction with the stalling. Daddy agrees....
> >
> > I googled and searched on portline hobbies for the slider shoes. No luck. Any idea where I can find them? Also, I've been pondering it without much success --- ever think about modifying the AM frog?
> >
> > Thanks. dr y
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59838 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
The Dockside wheel is the same size as used on the 0-8-0 at about 50 to 51 inches , that is about right for most yard engines , as speed was not a issue but starting effort was . Ron



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59839 From: richs009 Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Interesting question, since you get three choices. The middle driver doesn't 'touch the ground', so that's not a good one to go with. The back drivers have the rubber traction tread, so they compress a bit. So, working with the front drivers, I measured 0.889 (both wheels). the last digit is probably uncertain by a couple of mils, so call it 0.89 +/- 0.005. That's 57 inches in real life, just short of 5 ft.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "fahrwud" <fahrwud@...> wrote:
>
> Any flyer-bashers have their scale rule handy? What does the Flyonel docksider driver diameter scale out at? I haven't had the opportunity to examine one up close yet, as I'm in the mail order-only-bracket.
>
> Much appreciated,
> D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59840 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Since it is very difficult to get my ruler in there due to space
constriction, the best I can come up with is a little over 60"
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 03/19/2010 9:13:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
fahrwud@... writes:




Any flyer-bashers have their scale rule handy? What does the Flyonel
docksider driver diameter scale out at? I haven't had the opportunity to examine
one up close yet, as I'm in the mail order-only-bracket.

Much appreciated,
D.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59841 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59842 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
Hi All,

I've posted a few photos of the skirt and some accessory control buttons I've installed on my layout. You can look in the Group Photo section under my BG1 album or you can use this link:

http://tinyurl.com/yl9jbgu

The link should take you to the first skirt photo in a slideshow type window that will let you view the other photos also.

It's a rainy, cool day here in Houston, so I'm working on covers for the wiring on the turnouts and uncouplers now. Ill post photos of them once they are finished.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59843 From: Donald Abrams Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
Carl4Flyer,
Regarding the AM trucks -- are they easy to mount on AF tenders?
How is power transmitted from the wheels into the tender since both
neutral and positive are present on each truck, unlike AF?
Are these trucks readily available from AM or our 'S' parts dealers?
Don Abrams

> Re: TMCC "shorting" question
> Posted by: "carl4flyer" carl@... carl4flyer
> Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:31 am (PDT)
>
>
> You would have to replace the trucks. There is a post for mounting the
> pickup shoes that is not in the older trucks, but at least they will
> look like AF truck if you are trying to keep that look.
>
> The AM trucks will have better pickup with all wheels conducting.
>
> The Capacitor can be added at the AC track voltage connections on the
> Commander board.
>
> Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 59844 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: MICHIGAN Spring Spree & Spree Cars
I believe your comments are a cheap shot at the other clubs who have maintained the Spree for a number of years.



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: t.hawley@...
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:55:48 -0400
Subject: [S-Trains] MICHIGAN Spring Spree & Spree Cars





I've just got my NASG Dispatch, which contains our flyer for the Spring Spree to be held in Dearborn Michigan 30 April - 1May 2010. The back side of the form has the ordering information for a Lionel collectors' car and an American Models operators' car (scale or high-rail).

The information that the price of these cars increases on 1 March has been amended, the price rise will not take effect until 1 April (no foolin'). You do have to register for the Spree to buy the cars, but once registered, you can buy as many cars of both types as you like.

And a word about the Spree itself. Up till now, it has always been an Ohio event, rotating among three Ohio S clubs. We, the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers, have joined the rotation, and this will be our first Spree. We have come to realize that the "Spree" does not have a 100% quality reputation, or to put it another way, "reviews have been mixed." We want to emphasize that we are the group who very succesfully organized and conducted the 2006 NASG National Convention in Pontiac MI. The Ohio groups are taking a break this year, and our motto is "Putting the Spring back in the Spree."

We have some big dealers in American Flyer, new & used, parts, and other AF-compatible brands (AM, SHS, &c) lined up, and we have scheduled some excellent clinics and layout tours. If you have any questions, contact me or Registrar Jerry Poniatowski ( poniaj@... ).

Tom Hawley -- 2010 Spring Spree Committee

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59845 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC "shorting" question
I have not converted AF truck to AM but others have.
Maybe they can add to this thread.

I do know that you would have to add wiring through the tender floor for the track pickups.
The AM trucks have axle wipers for each side of the truck wheelsets
The AM trucks I have on my AM Pacific are fastened with a screw instead of a rivet.

It should not be a difficult conversion.

Here is a pic of one style of AM truck.
http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/4whtk.jpg

The AM truck page is.
http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/wheels.html

Carl





-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Donald Abrams
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TMCC "shorting" question




Carl4Flyer,
Regarding the AM trucks -- are they easy to mount on AF tenders?
How is power transmitted from the wheels into the tender since both
neutral and positive are present on each truck, unlike AF?
Are these trucks readily available from AM or our 'S' parts dealers?
Don Abrams

> Re: TMCC "shorting" question
> Posted by: "carl4flyer" carl@... carl4flyer
> Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:31 am (PDT)
>
>
> You would have to replace the trucks. There is a post for mounting the
> pickup shoes that is not in the older trucks, but at least they will
> look like AF truck if you are trying to keep that look.
>
> The AM trucks will have better pickup with all wheels conducting.
>
> The Capacitor can be added at the AC track voltage connections on the
> Commander board.
>
> Carl





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59846 From: fahrwud Date: 3/20/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel docksider driver diameter?
Thanks again everybody. Info greatly appreciated!
Group: S-Trains Message: 59847 From: Chuck Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: MICHIGAN Spring Spree & Spree Cars
What is the admission cost for the general public on Sunday May 1
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
> I've just got my NASG Dispatch, which contains our flyer for the Spring Spree to be held in Dearborn Michigan 30 April - 1May 2010. The back side of the form has the ordering information for a Lionel collectors' car and an American Models operators' car (scale or high-rail).
>
> The information that the price of these cars increases on 1 March has been amended, the price rise will not take effect until 1 April (no foolin'). You do have to register for the Spree to buy the cars, but once registered, you can buy as many cars of both types as you like.
>
> And a word about the Spree itself. Up till now, it has always been an Ohio event, rotating among three Ohio S clubs. We, the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers, have joined the rotation, and this will be our first Spree. We have come to realize that the "Spree" does not have a 100% quality reputation, or to put it another way, "reviews have been mixed." We want to emphasize that we are the group who very succesfully organized and conducted the 2006 NASG National Convention in Pontiac MI. The Ohio groups are taking a break this year, and our motto is "Putting the Spring back in the Spree."
>
> We have some big dealers in American Flyer, new & used, parts, and other AF-compatible brands (AM, SHS, &c) lined up, and we have scheduled some excellent clinics and layout tours. If you have any questions, contact me or Registrar Jerry Poniatowski ( poniaj@... ).
>
> Tom Hawley -- 2010 Spring Spree Committee
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59848 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
Nice job, BG--Where did you find skirt material?

Thanks, Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010 9:41 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Hi All,
>
> I've posted a few photos of the skirt and some accessory control
> buttons I've installed on my layout. You can look in the Group
> Photo section under my BG1 album or you can use this link:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yl9jbgu
>
> The link should take you to the first skirt photo in a slideshow
> type window that will let you view the other photos also.
>
> It's a rainy, cool day here in Houston, so I'm working on covers
> for the wiring on the turnouts and uncouplers now. Ill post
> photos of them once they are finished.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59849 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
Pete,

I found the fabric at the local Jo-Ann Fabrics. I bought all the local store had on hand and ordered the rest on-line. I checked their website and it is no longer listed. Maybe I cleaned out their warehouse - lol.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:
>
> Nice job, BG--Where did you find skirt material?
>
> Thanks, Pete
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bull_gator_1
> Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010 9:41 pm
> Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Skirt and Control Buttons - Photos Posted
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've posted a few photos of the skirt and some accessory control
> > buttons I've installed on my layout. You can look in the Group
> > Photo section under my BG1 album or you can use this link:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yl9jbgu
> >
> > The link should take you to the first skirt photo in a slideshow
> > type window that will let you view the other photos also.
> >
> > It's a rainy, cool day here in Houston, so I'm working on covers
> > for the wiring on the turnouts and uncouplers now. Ill post
> > photos of them once they are finished.
> >
> > BG1
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59850 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: AM tender trucks
I like the idea of the all wheel pickup for the tender trucks but looking at the pictures the wire looks heavy, how flexible is it?                           
                                                            Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59851 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Jerry, My cars arrived couple days ago-great job!

Thanks, Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:30 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Guys,
>
> To anybody's knowledge, has Lionel ever done an AF boxcar with
> (1)lettering on the doors and (2)car ends? I've seen lettering
> on the
> doors of reefers, but not on boxcars before. And there is none
> on any
> ends of the cars I have.
>
> The reason I ask, is that (and here comes a shameless plug) our train
> club Spree car this year has both. It's a GN boxcar reminiscent
> of the
> Gilbert 24047 offering. However, it's been updated with clearer
> graphics, and as previously stated, more data on the car. I'll post
> photos of it on the Yahoo photos page under Jerry's Trains later today
> or tomorrow. We're pretty proud of this car! As if you couldn't
> guess....
>
> Jerry Poniatowski
> Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
> Dearborn, MI
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59852 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Tender trucks
SHS tender trucks are very nice and have all wheel pickup with flexible
wires.
They are the ones we use on all our conversions. AND, they are NOT
expensive.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 03/21/2010 10:34:36 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
rpuls3@... writes:




I like the idea of the all wheel pickup for the tender trucks but looking
at the pictures the wire looks heavy, how flexible is it?

Ray

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59853 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday March 21, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59854 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF Trains in a Western movie
AF movie for my "S" friends, of course the song is for Mike....
Don

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk662RStXf0&feature=related
Group: S-Trains Message: 59855 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF Trains in a Western movie
Never heard of this movie nor the actress, but for 86.06 I take the trains too.

I wonder why they choose to use AF instead of Lionel?

I wonder if AF got any money or paid money for the use of the trains.

When you see a product in a movie today, like say Coke or Pepsi, they fight one another to get their product feature and they paid a boat load for that honor. Same with TV shows.

thanks for sharing Don.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Michael Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Trains in a Western movie



AF movie for my "S" friends, of course the song is for Mike....
Don

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk662RStXf0&feature=related




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59856 From: william yavelak Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Tender trucks
Which ones would you put on a 300 Atlantic?  And, what is involved (needed parts, tips, etc.) in the conversion?

Thanks
Dr Y




________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 12:57:50 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Tender trucks

 
SHS tender trucks are very nice and have all wheel pickup with flexible
wires.
They are the ones we use on all our conversions. AND, they are NOT
expensive.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 03/21/2010 10:34:36 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
rpuls3@yahoo. com writes:

I like the idea of the all wheel pickup for the tender trucks but looking
at the pictures the wire looks heavy, how flexible is it?

Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59857 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Orange Blossom Special
Hi Folks,



I was recently reading a book that included some renderings of the
Seaboard Air Line citrus paint scheme. According to the book, it was
used on Silver Meteors and Orange Blossom Special E-3 and E-4 diesels.
It is handsome and unusual with an elaborate variety of lively colors
and striping. A Yellow, green, orange, silver and black engine ought to
capture anyone's imagination.



Does anyone know if there are decals to match such a paint job?

Have there been power units (even if not E-units) painted in those
colors?



Thanks,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59858 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Turnout Covers - Photos Posted
Hi All,

I've built turnout covers from balsa wood to hide the wiring connections. I've posted photos to the Group Photo section or you can go directly using this link:

http://tinyurl.com/ybmhxow


I'm still experimenting with uncoupler covers.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59859 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Re: Tender trucks
Andrews tender trucks part# 01209 $12.95 pair


In a message dated 03/21/2010 6:17:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
navmedguy@... writes:




Which ones would you put on a 300 Atlantic? And, what is involved (needed
parts, tips, etc.) in the conversion?

Thanks
Dr Y

________________________________
From: "_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) " <_boss31@..._
(mailto:boss31@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 12:57:50 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Tender trucks


SHS tender trucks are very nice and have all wheel pickup with flexible
wires.
They are the ones we use on all our conversions. AND, they are NOT
expensive.
Steve
SnS Trains



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59860 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: Turnout Cover - Photos Posted
Hi All,

I tried the previous link and it didn't work. Try this one if the other is FUBAR!

http://tinyurl.com/ybmhxow


BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59861 From: Alex Date: 3/21/2010
Subject: new vender
Hi all,
I am always seeking S venders and while on google, I found a vender testing the 1/64 market. Their first S product due out in May is a 4 bay Fire Station and can be viewed at http://www.americandiorama.com/New_Product.html . They currently serve the larger scale markets with a line of buildings, dioramas, accessories and figures. They are seeking suggestions for future products in our scale. Contact email address is available on the page. Disclaimer: I am not connected in any way to this manufacturer, just providing S information.
Alex


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59862 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Bob Connor
Bob Connor, contact me off group,

Harwood





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59863 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Questions: Lionel and Marklin?
I've been hearing rumors that Lionel is looking into purchasing the manufacturing facilities of Marklin in Germany. They have sent representatives there to look the place over I understand.
Will this mean that they are taking all their quality control troubles seriously? Do they owe the Chinese so much money that they can't get trains produced there anymore? Could such problems be behind the closer dealings between old enemies Lionel and MTH recently?
If they are considering buying Marklin outright rather than just making manufacturing arrangements, what do they intend to use for money? Lionel is deeply in debt. Is such a move behind the recent jump in product prices? Is the rumored 30% price increase in the next catalog for real?
Are there still enough people who can afford their price increases around in the numbers required to keep them afloat? Particularly in these very trying economic times for us all?
What will all this mean for S gaugers?
LOTS of new questions! Perhaps one of our group with closer ties to Lionel can enlighten us?
Stumpy Stone...ear to the ground in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59864 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Bill,

The original citrus scheme was used by the SAL on the first diesels both freight and passenger. The FT units, however, were the first to lost one of the most beautiful paint schemes that was ever applied to a locomotive of any type. They were repainted to the standard freight pattern solid green with a broad yellow stripe edged with chinese red at the first shopping because of the expense of masking this design. The citrus colors lasted on all E units until about 1955 when the light green and dark green with a small red stripe came on line.

More information can be found in Seaboard Motive Power by Warren L. Calloway and Paul K. Withers. Also Seaboard Air Line, vol 1, Motive Power and Memories by Paul Faulk

About 5 yrs ago Don Thompson was going to an E7 in SAL Citrus and other lines but the entire project became too expensive and it was shelved.

There are no S ga. decals available for the citrus that I know about. If any one does know about a set please let me know.

Sam W.



----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special



Hi Folks,

I was recently reading a book that included some renderings of the
Seaboard Air Line citrus paint scheme. According to the book, it was
used on Silver Meteors and Orange Blossom Special E-3 and E-4 diesels.
It is handsome and unusual with an elaborate variety of lively colors
and striping. A Yellow, green, orange, silver and black engine ought to
capture anyone's imagination.

Does anyone know if there are decals to match such a paint job?

Have there been power units (even if not E-units) painted in those
colors?

Thanks,

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59865 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF trains in western movie
The movie in question is one of the thousands of "B" pictures cranked out by the old Republic Pictures studio. They were a low budget outfit which made mostly "B" level pictures and hundreds of action and sci-fi of serials, usually doing every scene in one take because there was no money to do a second or third, or more, as the major studios commonly did.
Judy Canova was one of their small time comic stars which first appeared during World War Two. She appealed to their "country/western" audiences, Republic being one of the outfits which supplied tiny store front theaters in small towns during the Depression.
Every name in the opening credits was a member of the Republic stock company, Roy Barcroft being their main "bad guy" from the late thirties until the end of the studio, having moved up from being a stunt man.
Republic was better known as the home of Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, and actually began the era of the "singing cowboy" in Hollywood.
This studio was also known for giving new talent a break, including a youngster named Marion Michael Morrison, a.k.a. John Wayne. He did 62 movies for them before moving on. The best known was "Stagecoach" in 1940 with John Ford directing.
Knowing the history of Republic Pictures, my guess would be that the train was borrowed from someone at the studio, possibly one of the Lydecker Brothers, who did the Special Effects for all Republic Pictures and serials.
Stumpy Stone...sci-fi serial fan...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59866 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Turnout Cover - Photos Posted
That is a very clever idea. I may have to make some of those.

Thanks,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Turnout Cover - Photos Posted

Hi All,

I tried the previous link and it didn't work. Try this one if the other
is FUBAR!

http://tinyurl.com/ybmhxow


BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 59867 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Spring Spree room share
Hello all,
Anyone going to the Spring Spree looking to share a room? I have a room reserved at the Hyatt for Fri 4/30-Sun 5/1. Hoping to keep the cost down to buy more trains!
Bud Rindfleisch
Group: S-Trains Message: 59868 From: Jerry Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Turnout Covers - Photos Posted
BG,

Nice job on coming up with a cool solution to an old "problem"!

Now I've got to make a few dozen..... ;>)

JP

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've built turnout covers from balsa wood to hide the wiring connections. I've posted photos to the Group Photo section or you can go directly using this link:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybmhxow
>
>
> I'm still experimenting with uncoupler covers.
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59869 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Bill,
     If we had photos and "S" measurements we might be able to furnish the decal sets.
     Please contact me OFF GROUP.
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...> wrote:


From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:49 AM


 



Bill,

The original citrus scheme was used by the SAL on the first diesels both freight and passenger. The FT units, however, were the first to lost one of the most beautiful paint schemes that was ever applied to a locomotive of any type. They were repainted to the standard freight pattern solid green with a broad yellow stripe edged with chinese red at the first shopping because of the expense of masking this design. The citrus colors lasted on all E units until about 1955 when the light green and dark green with a small red stripe came on line.

More information can be found in Seaboard Motive Power by Warren L. Calloway and Paul K. Withers. Also Seaboard Air Line, vol 1, Motive Power and Memories by Paul Faulk

About 5 yrs ago Don Thompson was going to an E7 in SAL Citrus and other lines but the entire project became too expensive and it was shelved.

There are no S ga. decals available for the citrus that I know about. If any one does know about a set please let me know.

Sam W.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special

Hi Folks,

I was recently reading a book that included some renderings of the
Seaboard Air Line citrus paint scheme. According to the book, it was
used on Silver Meteors and Orange Blossom Special E-3 and E-4 diesels.
It is handsome and unusual with an elaborate variety of lively colors
and striping. A Yellow, green, orange, silver and black engine ought to
capture anyone's imagination.

Does anyone know if there are decals to match such a paint job?

Have there been power units (even if not E-units) painted in those
colors?

Thanks,

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59870 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF trains in western movie
If you love B grade movies, then check out Mystery Science Theatre 3000 on Youtube, as Joel then Mike and the bots get tortured watching B grade movies.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:44 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF trains in western movie



The movie in question is one of the thousands of "B" pictures cranked out by the old Republic Pictures studio. They were a low budget outfit which made mostly "B" level pictures and hundreds of action and sci-fi of serials, usually doing every scene in one take because there was no money to do a second or third, or more, as the major studios commonly did.
Judy Canova was one of their small time comic stars which first appeared during World War Two. She appealed to their "country/western" audiences, Republic being one of the outfits which supplied tiny store front theaters in small towns during the Depression.
Every name in the opening credits was a member of the Republic stock company, Roy Barcroft being their main "bad guy" from the late thirties until the end of the studio, having moved up from being a stunt man.
Republic was better known as the home of Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, and actually began the era of the "singing cowboy" in Hollywood.
This studio was also known for giving new talent a break, including a youngster named Marion Michael Morrison, a.k.a. John Wayne. He did 62 movies for them before moving on. The best known was "Stagecoach" in 1940 with John Ford directing.
Knowing the history of Republic Pictures, my guess would be that the train was borrowed from someone at the studio, possibly one of the Lydecker Brothers, who did the Special Effects for all Republic Pictures and serials.
Stumpy Stone...sci-fi serial fan...in Appalachia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59871 From: Jerry Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Hey Pete,

You're welcome! We decided to ship the cars as soon as we got them from Lionel and American Models to keep folks happy! ;>)

I also just posted a few photos of the GT gondola we had made by AM in the Spree file. It came out even better than the prototype we put on the order form.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:
>
> Jerry, My cars arrived couple days ago-great job!
>
> Thanks, Pete
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry
> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:30 pm
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > To anybody's knowledge, has Lionel ever done an AF boxcar with
> > (1)lettering on the doors and (2)car ends? I've seen lettering
> > on the
> > doors of reefers, but not on boxcars before. And there is none
> > on any
> > ends of the cars I have.
> >
> > The reason I ask, is that (and here comes a shameless plug) our train
> > club Spree car this year has both. It's a GN boxcar reminiscent
> > of the
> > Gilbert 24047 offering. However, it's been updated with clearer
> > graphics, and as previously stated, more data on the car. I'll post
> > photos of it on the Yahoo photos page under Jerry's Trains later today
> > or tomorrow. We're pretty proud of this car! As if you couldn't
> > guess....
> >
> > Jerry Poniatowski
> > Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
> > Dearborn, MI
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59872 From: Russ Dondero Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Big Boy Question
I just bought a Flyonel Big Boy at the GATT train show in Portland, Oregon yesterday - new out of the box.  Never run.  I ran it on my layout before I bought it.  Worked fine!  But now once it gets going the engine runs well with all the bells and whistles, train sounds and talking crew - on a conventional transformer - an American Models with back up small flyer transformers and/or a Flyer transformer.  

But the front end wheel set screech and seem to get locked but then kick in and I can get the engine around the layout with 20 cars with no problem...  I'm sure I could do more.  But I'm worried about the front wheel set  locking/stalling.  They only lock/stall going in forward not in reverse.  It doesn't seem to be an electronic problem but mechanical.  Has anyone out there who has a Big Boy had this problem?  If so what did you do about it? 

Russ in Oregon







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Group: S-Trains Message: 59873 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Thanks Sam,

I am keeping a file of these notes so that I can respond if there is new
information.

Your information is consistent with the data in: "American Passenger
Trains and Locomotives Illustrated" by Mark Wegman. There is a
delightful rendering on page 91. There are also some images of postcards
floating all over the web for those with an interest.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:50 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special

Bill,

The original citrus scheme was used by the SAL on the first diesels both
freight and passenger. The FT units, however, were the first to lost
one of the most beautiful paint schemes that was ever applied to a
locomotive of any type. They were repainted to the standard freight
pattern solid green with a broad yellow stripe edged with chinese red at
the first shopping because of the expense of masking this design. The
citrus colors lasted on all E units until about 1955 when the light
green and dark green with a small red stripe came on line.


More information can be found in Seaboard Motive Power by Warren L.
Calloway and Paul K. Withers. Also Seaboard Air Line, vol 1, Motive
Power and Memories by Paul Faulk

About 5 yrs ago Don Thompson was going to an E7 in SAL Citrus and other
lines but the entire project became too expensive and it was shelved.

There are no S ga. decals available for the citrus that I know about.
If any one does know about a set please let me know.

Sam W.



----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special



Hi Folks,

I was recently reading a book that included some renderings of the
Seaboard Air Line citrus paint scheme. According to the book, it was
used on Silver Meteors and Orange Blossom Special E-3 and E-4 diesels.
It is handsome and unusual with an elaborate variety of lively colors
and striping. A Yellow, green, orange, silver and black engine ought
to
capture anyone's imagination.

Does anyone know if there are decals to match such a paint job?

Have there been power units (even if not E-units) painted in those
colors?

Thanks,

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59874 From: Jerry Hiett Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
Are any of these pictures correct?

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22orange+blossom+special%22&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Jerry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lbrenterprisesllc@...
> Sent: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:05:54 -0700 (PDT)
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special
>
> Bill,
>      If we had photos and "S" measurements we might be able to furnish
> the decal sets.
>      Please contact me OFF GROUP.
> Dave
> LBR Restorations U.S.A.
>
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:49 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> The original citrus scheme was used by the SAL on the first diesels both
> freight and passenger. The FT units, however, were the first to lost one
> of the most beautiful paint schemes that was ever applied to a locomotive
> of any type. They were repainted to the standard freight pattern solid
> green with a broad yellow stripe edged with chinese red at the first
> shopping because of the expense of masking this design. The citrus colors
> lasted on all E units until about 1955 when the light green and dark
> green with a small red stripe came on line.
>
> More information can be found in Seaboard Motive Power by Warren L.
> Calloway and Paul K. Withers. Also Seaboard Air Line, vol 1, Motive Power
> and Memories by Paul Faulk
>
> About 5 yrs ago Don Thompson was going to an E7 in SAL Citrus and other
> lines but the entire project became too expensive and it was shelved.
>
> There are no S ga. decals available for the citrus that I know about. If
> any one does know about a set please let me know.
>
> Sam W.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Porter
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:09 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I was recently reading a book that included some renderings of the
> Seaboard Air Line citrus paint scheme. According to the book, it was
> used on Silver Meteors and Orange Blossom Special E-3 and E-4 diesels.
> It is handsome and unusual with an elaborate variety of lively colors
> and striping. A Yellow, green, orange, silver and black engine ought to
> capture anyone's imagination.
>
> Does anyone know if there are decals to match such a paint job?
>
> Have there been power units (even if not E-units) painted in those
> colors?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 59875 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
It may be the rods or valve gear are binding.

See this picture:
http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/hanger-alignment.jpg

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Russ Dondero
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:27 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Question



I just bought a Flyonel Big Boy at the GATT train show in Portland, Oregon
yesterday - new out of the box. Never run. I ran it on my layout before I
bought it. Worked fine! But now once it gets going the engine runs well
with all the bells and whistles, train sounds and talking crew - on a
conventional transformer - an American Models with back up small flyer
transformers and/or a Flyer transformer.

But the front end wheel set screech and seem to get locked but then kick
in and I can get the engine around the layout with 20 cars with no
problem... I'm sure I could do more. But I'm worried about the front wheel
set locking/stalling. They only lock/stall going in forward not in
reverse. It doesn't seem to be an electronic problem but mechanical. Has
anyone out there who has a Big Boy had this problem? If so what did you do
about it?

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59876 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmrKeyeHKA&feature=PlayList&p=D40B8FF51CE7241D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9

Thought Johnny Cash had a song for the Orange Blossom Special.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special



Thanks Sam,

I am keeping a file of these notes so that I can respond if there is new
information.

Your information is consistent with the data in: "American Passenger
Trains and Locomotives Illustrated" by Mark Wegman. There is a
delightful rendering on page 91. There are also some images of postcards
floating all over the web for those with an interest.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:50 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special

Bill,

The original citrus scheme was used by the SAL on the first diesels both
freight and passenger. The FT units, however, were the first to lost
one of the most beautiful paint schemes that was ever applied to a
locomotive of any type. They were repainted to the standard freight
pattern solid green with a broad yellow stripe edged with chinese red at
the first shopping because of the expense of masking this design. The
citrus colors lasted on all E units until about 1955 when the light
green and dark green with a small red stripe came on line.

More information can be found in Seaboard Motive Power by Warren L.
Calloway and Paul K. Withers. Also Seaboard Air Line, vol 1, Motive
Power and Memories by Paul Faulk

About 5 yrs ago Don Thompson was going to an E7 in SAL Citrus and other
lines but the entire project became too expensive and it was shelved.

There are no S ga. decals available for the citrus that I know about.
If any one does know about a set please let me know.

Sam W.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special

Hi Folks,

I was recently reading a book that included some renderings of the
Seaboard Air Line citrus paint scheme. According to the book, it was
used on Silver Meteors and Orange Blossom Special E-3 and E-4 diesels.
It is handsome and unusual with an elaborate variety of lively colors
and striping. A Yellow, green, orange, silver and black engine ought
to
capture anyone's imagination.

Does anyone know if there are decals to match such a paint job?

Have there been power units (even if not E-units) painted in those
colors?

Thanks,

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59877 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/22/2010
Subject: Re: Orange Blossom Special
They look good to me.

Thanks Jerry,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry Hiett
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:06 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orange Blossom Special

Are any of these pictures correct?

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22orange+blossom+spec
ial%22&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 59878 From: fahrwud Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Questions: Lionel and Marklin?
> Are there still enough people who can afford their price increases around in the numbers required to keep them afloat? Particularly in these very trying economic times for us all?
> What will all this mean for S gaugers?

More guys like me working on dead fixer-uppers? 30% on an already overpriced line? Are they, like, serious?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59879 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)
Hi Jerry. How can I buy one of the GT gondolas ?? I lived in Battle Creek and the Grand Trunk RR was close to my Mother and Fathers house..Thanks, Don Rodgers... St. Petersburg, Fl.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: poniaj@...
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:54:23 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Flyer question (and plug)




























Hey Pete,



You're welcome! We decided to ship the cars as soon as we got them from Lionel and American Models to keep folks happy! ;>)



I also just posted a few photos of the GT gondola we had made by AM in the Spree file. It came out even better than the prototype we put on the order form.



Jerry



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:

>

> Jerry, My cars arrived couple days ago-great job!

>

> Thanks, Pete

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Jerry

> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:30 pm

> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Flyer question (and plug)

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

>

> > Guys,

> >

> > To anybody's knowledge, has Lionel ever done an AF boxcar with

> > (1)lettering on the doors and (2)car ends? I've seen lettering

> > on the

> > doors of reefers, but not on boxcars before. And there is none

> > on any

> > ends of the cars I have.

> >

> > The reason I ask, is that (and here comes a shameless plug) our train

> > club Spree car this year has both. It's a GN boxcar reminiscent

> > of the

> > Gilbert 24047 offering. However, it's been updated with clearer

> > graphics, and as previously stated, more data on the car. I'll post

> > photos of it on the Yahoo photos page under Jerry's Trains later today

> > or tomorrow. We're pretty proud of this car! As if you couldn't

> > guess....

> >

> > Jerry Poniatowski

> > Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree

> > Dearborn, MI

> >

> >

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59880 From: Dave Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Sam Adams & Blue Moon Decal Sets
We now have two NEW sets of BEER REEFER decals avaliable. #1984 SAMUEL ADAMS BEER & BLUE MOON BEER. Please use the link below to view in the Refrigerator Car section of the page:

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Thank you all for your continuing support.
For further info. please contact us OFF GROUP.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59881 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
Russ, How was that show? I was unable to go this time do to other commitments. I was at the December show and found it a bit lacking. After paying $21 parking and admission for two of us I thought it was a bust. Nothing like the GATS shows of years past. We used to bring the Northwest S Scalers layout to the shows but after having been stiffed a payment to participate and paying the expenses it just wasn't worth it.

I do hope you had a good time.
Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Dondero
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Question



I just bought a Flyonel Big Boy at the GATT train show in Portland, Oregon yesterday - new out of the box. Never run. I ran it on my layout before I bought it. Worked fine! But now once it gets going the engine runs well with all the bells and whistles, train sounds and talking crew - on a conventional transformer - an American Models with back up small flyer transformers and/or a Flyer transformer.

But the front end wheel set screech and seem to get locked but then kick in and I can get the engine around the layout with 20 cars with no problem... I'm sure I could do more. But I'm worried about the front wheel set locking/stalling. They only lock/stall going in forward not in reverse. It doesn't seem to be an electronic problem but mechanical. Has anyone out there who has a Big Boy had this problem? If so what did you do about it?

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59882 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
Make sure the side rods and their screws are aligned and tightened. That's what the little cylindrical wrench is for - to tighten the side rod screws. Two of my screws literally fell off on the first few laps around my small lay-out. Must have been very loose.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 6:45:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy Question






It may be the rods or valve gear are binding.

See this picture:
http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/hanger-alignment.jpg

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf
Of Russ Dondero
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:27 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Question

I just bought a Flyonel Big Boy at the GATT train show in Portland, Oregon
yesterday - new out of the box. Never run. I ran it on my layout before I
bought it. Worked fine! But now once it gets going the engine runs well
with all the bells and whistles, train sounds and talking crew - on a
conventional transformer - an American Models with back up small flyer
transformers and/or a Flyer transformer.

But the front end wheel set screech and seem to get locked but then kick
in and I can get the engine around the layout with 20 cars with no
problem... I'm sure I could do more. But I'm worried about the front wheel
set locking/stalling. They only lock/stall going in forward not in
reverse. It doesn't seem to be an electronic problem but mechanical. Has
anyone out there who has a Big Boy had this problem? If so what did you do
about it?

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59883 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Spring Spree Grand Trunk Gondola
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Rodgers Sr.
Hi Jerry. How can I buy one of the GT gondolas ?? I lived in Battle Creek .
. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > >
If you go to this yahoo group's Files section and scroll down to 2010_Spring
_Spree, you'll find the registration form and the forms for the Lionel GN
and American Models GT cars. You do have to pay the registration fee,
whether you're coming or not, but once paid, you can buy as many of each car
as you like.

And why not come up to the Spree? The snow is already melted in Michigan
and the site is just a short walk from the Dearborn Amtrak Station.
Tom Hawley -- Spree Committee
Group: S-Trains Message: 59884 From: aztecfan Date: 3/23/2010
Subject: Moving products across America
Group: S-Trains Message: 59885 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: 302 AC Question
Greetings! Need help with the wireing of a 302. Have put in new fingers and wireing harness. I followed the wireing diagram in the S-files and I get forward but no reverse ... only a wisp of smoke. The drum rotates, the fingers are tight, toothpick test, and the wires meter to the correct locations .... what have I missed? Thanks for your thoughts .... Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59886 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: Lot"S" more "S" for "S"ale on a make-offer basis
Hi

The 714 Log unloader:

Does it have the logs?
Does it have the track trip?
Does it have the log unloader button?

the 293
you say the axel is bent?
Would Portlines have an axel for sale?
How difficult would be to replace?
Please note: message attached

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>, s-trains@...
Subject: [S-Trains] Lot"S" more "S" for "S"ale on a make-offer basis
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:37:52 -0700 (PDT)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59887 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: For you old Dime Store guys who hung around in the summ er when
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the pierce arrow withthe missing window.

there is a glue you can us to replace the window. it is white but when it dries it is clear.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59888 From: mikenguy9 Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: wobley wheel
Some one offered me a 293 NH.

said the wheel whobled like the axel was bent.
Any body have any idea if a replacement axel is available?
Group: S-Trains Message: 59889 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: wobley wheel
Hi Mike,
� I'm not sure which axle you need. Both axles are available. PA10005 Plain Axle and PA10006 Gear Axle replaced by PA15A285.  I have both in stick.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote:

From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] wobley wheel
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 9:44 PM







 











Some one offered me a 293 NH.



said the wheel whobled like the axel was bent.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59890 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: 302 AC Question
Hi Charlie,
I believe the 302AC has a 5 wire set up.  The 5th wire comes off of the smoke unit and the light.  If the light is working its the correct wiring and it may be something else.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote:

From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 302 AC Question
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 12:30 AM







 









Greetings! Need help with the wireing of a 302. Have put in new fingers and wireing harness. I followed the wireing diagram in the S-files and I get forward but no reverse ... only a wisp of smoke. The drum rotates, the fingers are tight, toothpick test, and the wires meter to the correct locations .... what have I missed? Thanks for your thoughts .... Charlie in W MI



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59891 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: wobley wheel
We have plenty of axles........you just need to specify if it is the
rear (geared) axle, or a plain axle.

Easily replaced, but of course you have to pull the 2 drive wheels.



<<<Some one offered me a 293 NH.
said the wheel whobled like the axel was bent.
Any body have any idea if a replacement axel is available?>>>



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Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59892 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: Re: wobley wheel
Yes, axles are available. Unlikely to be e bent axle however. They are of
very very hard steel. More likely the hub is on crooked or the rim is.
Steve
Sns Trains


In a message dated 03/24/2010 4:53:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
mikenguy9@... writes:





Some one offered me a 293 NH.

said the wheel whobled like the axel was bent.
Any body have any idea if a replacement axel is available?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59893 From: Rhett George Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: 302 AC Question - no reverse
- GreetingS -

A suggestion to Charlie in W MI. It sounds like the brushes are stuck
in the brush holder, llikely due to dried oil around the brushes.
Forward running pushes the armature rearward where it can touch the
brushes. Reverse pulls the armature forward, away from the brushes.

Hope this helps.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 59894 From: Rhett George Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: wobley wheel
- GreetingS

To Mikenguy and others. Axles are available. The problem is typically
due to the axle bore have loosened and with further running having
wallowed out to a larger bore. Auto accessory stores have bearing and
stud mount near-instant cements which will repair a wheel if the bore
is slightly enlarged. Worked fine for me on a 332. If the bore has
enlarged more, a circluar shim of very thin brass can be fitted to
the bore with an application of the same sort of cement. Do not glue
the wheel or axle to the frame!

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 59895 From: jcolonbc Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: AF # 22090 Transformer switches on-off-on
I purchased a American Flyer #22090 transformer and need to find out how the "on-off-on" switches operate. I understand that they help control the E-unit from cycling, but do not know how to set them. I really need the instructions, but till I can find some I need help. Thanks in advance for any info. Jim C.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59896 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/24/2010
Subject: 302Wireing Question
Greetings! The 302 and I thank you all for your help!!! Colored pencils on the wireing diagram showed me the error of my ways. I had reversed the labels on two of the four black wires. Again my thanks and best wishes! Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59897 From: Russ Dondero Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
YES, I SAW THEM WHEN I LOOKED INTO THE BOX AGAIN... EVERYTHING SEEMS TIGHT - MAYBE TOO TIGHT ON THE FRONT WHEELS... MY REPAIR GUY IS CHECKING IT OUT...




________________________________
From: "jimensign50@..." <jimensign50@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 1:15:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boy Question


Make sure the side rods and their screws are aligned and tightened. That's what the little cylindrical wrench is for - to tighten the side rod screws. Two of my screws literally fell off on the first few laps around my small lay-out. Must have been very loose.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@tuveson. com
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 6:45:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy Question

It may be the rods or valve gear are binding.

See this picture:
http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ hanger-alignment .jpg

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com ]On Behalf
Of Russ Dondero
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:27 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Question

I just bought a Flyonel Big Boy at the GATT train show in Portland, Oregon
yesterday - new out of the box. Never run. I ran it on my layout before I
bought it. Worked fine! But now once it gets going the engine runs well
with all the bells and whistles, train sounds and talking crew - on a
conventional transformer - an American Models with back up small flyer
transformers and/or a Flyer transformer.

But the front end wheel set screech and seem to get locked but then kick
in and I can get the engine around the layout with 20 cars with no
problem... I'm sure I could do more. But I'm worried about the front wheel
set locking/stalling. They only lock/stall going in forward not in
reverse. It doesn't seem to be an electronic problem but mechanical. Has
anyone out there who has a Big Boy had this problem? If so what did you do
about it?

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59898 From: sgaugian Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: Re: Big Boy Question
I found it helps to take the shell off engine and put the engine up on rollers (my favorites are Bachrus). That way the drivers are load bearing as when running. Then by hand turn the front motor flywheel. There should be good alignment and some degree of freedom/play/slop in connecting rods, push rods, linkage pieces and pivots throughout a revolution of the wheels/drivers. Whereever that's not the case adjust until so. Forward and reverse.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> wrote:
>
> YES, I SAW THEM WHEN I LOOKED INTO THE BOX AGAIN... EVERYTHING SEEMS TIGHT - MAYBE TOO TIGHT ON THE FRONT WHEELS... MY REPAIR GUY IS CHECKING IT OUT...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59899 From: preardon4girls Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: S-Helper 2-8-0 lights
Has anyone tried to light the cab interior of the S-Helper 2-8-0? The diesels have cab lights and it shows off the cab detail nicely. I would like to create the same effect in the steam engine. My engine is AC w/ Locomatic. Any experiences or suggestions will be appreciated.

Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59900 From: Coopers Date: 3/25/2010
Subject: Re: AF # 22090 Transformer switches on-off-on
Good Evening!

The 22090 and similar single control 22035 throttles are intended to keep the reverse (E) unit from cycling, allowing you to reduce speed or even stop a train, with the e-unit still engaged, so long as the applicable rocker direction switch on the top of the transformer is left in an "ON" position. They accomplish this by maintaining a minimal voltage to the track even if the throttle lever is set to "0" mph.

To reverse direction of a moving loco, leave throttle at 20 - 50 mph position and simply (but slowly) rock the direction switch to the center (OFF) position and then to an "ON" position, either up or down (no difference), and then repeat, rocking the switch back to the OFF position and then to an ON position. This on-off-on-off-on routine will cycle a properly set and operating e-unit from one direction to neutral to opposite direction.

Operating the loco using this routine works well so long as your loco e-unit is working reliably and set to the forward-neutral-reverse position. Older e-units may require leaving the throttle at a slightly higher position for reliable cycling.

Caution: Do not start a loco using the rocker switch with the throttle set at 70 -120 mph. A good running steamer with rubber tires (Pullmor) on the rear axle may lift its front end off the track, possibly resulting in a derailment. A steamer with metal rims may suffer from driver wheel spin. I cannot speak for diesel units as all of my experience is with AF steamers.

I have used both of these transformer models for a number of years. They provide great capacity and reliable operation with minimal maintenance.

Check to ensure that both of your circuit breakers are functioning properly before using your transformer.

Best Of Luck to You!

Art
Richardson, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: jcolonbc
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF # 22090 Transformer switches on-off-on



I purchased a American Flyer #22090 transformer and need to find out how the "on-off-on" switches operate. I understand that they help control the E-unit from cycling, but do not know how to set them. I really need the instructions, but till I can find some I need help. Thanks in advance for any info. Jim C.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59901 From: navmedguy Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
In an effort to get my now TMCC equipped 300 Atlantic through my American Models turnouts without stalling, it was suggested to get the SHS replacement trucks which have all wheel electrical pickup. There's no picture of these trucks on the website, but the recommendation here and the description of the #01209 Adrews tender trucks sounded good.

I was a bit surprised to find that they came with no mounting hardware. More surprising was that there was no apparent place to mount a coupler.

The 300's current trucks have a rivet attachement, and the link coupler is of course part of the metal truck structure (will be removed when the old truck is removed.)

It is certain that the all wheel pickups would solve my problem going through the turnouts. However, I'm going to need some help figuring out how to install these trucks, and where/how to put a coupler on.

Ideas? Links? Magical beans?

Thanks.
Dr.Y
Group: S-Trains Message: 59902 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: cleaning a Kloppers Car
A friend of mine who is just on the S scale list, I believe, got a 912 Kloppers. He writes about the condition below and I hope someone here has advice for him on how to clean it.

Thanks, Mike
===============================================================================

The car is in very good condition -- all parts are there and nothing is broken off. The wheels are too dirty to spin but that is just cleaning and lubrication. The platform around the dome is loose but that is a quick fix. A spot of elephant glue would work fine. (It's strong enough to hold elephants together, so it should work fine in S Scale.) The Koppers decals are in perfect condition other than dirt. The lettering looks unmarred, too. Couplers probably need cleaning and oil.

I'll have to figure out the safest way of cleaning it. Because the graphics are in such good condition, it would be a shame to spoil them after all these years. Any suggestions?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59903 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Dear Dr.,
Our #00005 coupler fits on top of the bolster. The screw you use
to fasten the truck to the body bolder also holds the coupler in
place. I am not sure what type of body bolster you are planning on
using, but a 2.0 mm screw with a brass washer works the best as a
kingpin.
Best regards,
Don

On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:08 AM, navmedguy wrote:

> More surprising was that there was no apparent place to mount a
> coupler.
>
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> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59904 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
You will need to order the CPL601 coupler with the tongue.
http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/cpl601.jpg

You may have to ask AM for the correct insulating washers and 2-56 screws. I
did not see the washers listed but most hobby shops should have some.
Or
Try Portlines etc. or Walthers for the hardware.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:08 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks



In an effort to get my now TMCC equipped 300 Atlantic through my American
Models turnouts without stalling, it was suggested to get the SHS
replacement trucks which have all wheel electrical pickup. There's no
picture of these trucks on the website, but the recommendation here and the
description of the #01209 Adrews tender trucks sounded good.

I was a bit surprised to find that they came with no mounting hardware.
More surprising was that there was no apparent place to mount a coupler.

The 300's current trucks have a rivet attachement, and the link coupler is
of course part of the metal truck structure (will be removed when the old
truck is removed.)

It is certain that the all wheel pickups would solve my problem going
through the turnouts. However, I'm going to need some help figuring out how
to install these trucks, and where/how to put a coupler on.

Ideas? Links? Magical beans?

Thanks.
Dr.Y






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Group: S-Trains Message: 59905 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Never Mind.. I can't read!
I did not see that you were using SHS trucks.

Sorry,
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of carl@...
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:30 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks



You will need to order the CPL601 coupler with the tongue.
http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/cpl601.jpg

You may have to ask AM for the correct insulating washers and 2-56 screws.
I
did not see the washers listed but most hobby shops should have some.
Or
Try Portlines etc. or Walthers for the hardware.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:08 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks

In an effort to get my now TMCC equipped 300 Atlantic through my American
Models turnouts without stalling, it was suggested to get the SHS
replacement trucks which have all wheel electrical pickup. There's no
picture of these trucks on the website, but the recommendation here and
the
description of the #01209 Adrews tender trucks sounded good.

I was a bit surprised to find that they came with no mounting hardware.
More surprising was that there was no apparent place to mount a coupler.

The 300's current trucks have a rivet attachement, and the link coupler is
of course part of the metal truck structure (will be removed when the old
truck is removed.)

It is certain that the all wheel pickups would solve my problem going
through the turnouts. However, I'm going to need some help figuring out
how
to install these trucks, and where/how to put a coupler on.

Ideas? Links? Magical beans?

Thanks.
Dr.Y

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59906 From: sgaugian Date: 3/26/2010
Subject: New Lionel catalogs online
2010 volume 1 with AF items and RTR (O and G gauge) catalogs online.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59907 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
If you have ever wanted a Defender Set but didn't want to pay the price for the original, Lionel is remaking it!

Page 167 of the new catalog.

Enjoy...

Chuck Harrington
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!
http://www.myflyertrains.org


On Mar 26, 2010, at 12:13 PM, sgaugian wrote:

> 2010 volume 1 with AF items and RTR (O and G gauge) catalogs online.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59908 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: AF Lionel
http://www.lionel.com/
Not that I buy Lionel items anymore, they have a very large selection of AF items. Lots of passenger cars. A remake of the 1959 Defender Set.

Will that kill the value of that set now?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59909 From: william yavelak Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
Carl,

Have you tried to put TMCC and sound in an AF with smoke in tender?  If so, what boards would you recommend?
I don't think the cruise commander is going to fit unless I take the smoke unit out, and I'll need a lead on a smaller speaker than the one that comes with the sound commander.

Thanks
dr y




________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 5:19:59 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks

 
Never Mind.. I can't read!
I did not see that you were using SHS trucks.

Sorry,
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of carl@tuveson. com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:30 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks

You will need to order the CPL601 coupler with the tongue.
http://www.american models.com/ _photos/cpl601. jpg

You may have to ask AM for the correct insulating washers and 2-56 screws.
I
did not see the washers listed but most hobby shops should have some.
Or
Try Portlines etc. or Walthers for the hardware.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:08 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks

In an effort to get my now TMCC equipped 300 Atlantic through my American
Models turnouts without stalling, it was suggested to get the SHS
replacement trucks which have all wheel electrical pickup. There's no
picture of these trucks on the website, but the recommendation here and
the
description of the #01209 Adrews tender trucks sounded good.

I was a bit surprised to find that they came with no mounting hardware.
More surprising was that there was no apparent place to mount a coupler.

The 300's current trucks have a rivet attachement, and the link coupler is
of course part of the metal truck structure (will be removed when the old
truck is removed.)

It is certain that the all wheel pickups would solve my problem going
through the turnouts. However, I'm going to need some help figuring out
how
to install these trucks, and where/how to put a coupler on.

Ideas? Links? Magical beans?

Thanks.
Dr.Y

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59910 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Fw: Latest
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1308102998/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=501&count=20&dir=asc
three pictures added, as I have a factory being built for a corrugated box company as a office gets attached with loading dock.

I just finished a fire water tower for the industrial area, as one of the pictures of it inspired the mystery ghost writer. I have three fire hose sheds being worked on.

Story below.

Mike Marmer

Dingburg, MD (Fox News) -

A ten-foot calico cat stole a 1959 Cadillac DeVille convertible and took it for a joy ride yesterday. The car, which belonged to Santiago Chavez, was parked outside the Branford Diner on Railroad Avenue. According to Chavez, the ignition keys were not in the car, but the top was down, and the cat bounded in. Police think the cat started the motor by scratching through insulation on wires under the steering column.

The perpetrator took off eastbound on Railroad Avenue, crossed the D&KRR tracks, and apparently became disoriented and veered into the Tufts industrial complex. There, the cat lost control of the car and crashed into a water storage tank belonging to Corrugated Box Company. The tank collapsed and all 20,000 gallons of water rushed out. Residents of East Dingburg reported flooded basements and mud-covered lawns.

Chavez's Cadillac was totalled. The cat ran away unharmed. No charges have been filed.

G. W.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59911 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing AF 300 tender trucks
That would be a very tight fit.. The hudson would probably be the only candidate? Or a Norrthen?
It may be that you could install in the loco and tether the a smoke control relay in the tender?
Sound might fit in the tender if the receiver was in the loco? Can motors in both units would also make it a more practical install as you could use a smaller receiver package due to the lower currents. A DD MotorMite or ERR MinCommander2 if using DC motors.
I won't say it can't be done but it will be a challange.

If you are going to remove the tender smoke unit just find a junker with Smoke in Boiler instead. Cruise might fit then with sound too.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of william yavelak
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks



Carl,

Have you tried to put TMCC and sound in an AF with smoke in tender? If so, what boards would you recommend?
I don't think the cruise commander is going to fit unless I take the smoke unit out, and I'll need a lead on a smaller speaker than the one that comes with the sound commander.

Thanks
dr y

________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 5:19:59 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks


Never Mind.. I can't read!
I did not see that you were using SHS trucks.

Sorry,
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of carl@tuveson. com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:30 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks

You will need to order the CPL601 coupler with the tongue.
http://www.american models.com/ _photos/cpl601. jpg

You may have to ask AM for the correct insulating washers and 2-56 screws.
I
did not see the washers listed but most hobby shops should have some.
Or
Try Portlines etc. or Walthers for the hardware.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf
Of navmedguy
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:08 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Replacing AF 300 tender trucks

In an effort to get my now TMCC equipped 300 Atlantic through my American
Models turnouts without stalling, it was suggested to get the SHS
replacement trucks which have all wheel electrical pickup. There's no
picture of these trucks on the website, but the recommendation here and
the
description of the #01209 Adrews tender trucks sounded good.

I was a bit surprised to find that they came with no mounting hardware.
More surprising was that there was no apparent place to mount a coupler.

The 300's current trucks have a rivet attachement, and the link coupler is
of course part of the metal truck structure (will be removed when the old
truck is removed.)

It is certain that the all wheel pickups would solve my problem going
through the turnouts. However, I'm going to need some help figuring out
how
to install these trucks, and where/how to put a coupler on.

Ideas? Links? Magical beans?

Thanks.
Dr.Y

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59912 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: National Train Day
Click on the link, National Train Day is coming in May.

http://www.nationaltrainday.com/&WT.mc_t=ACLWSFY10&WT.mc_n=Adgent728x90&WT.mc_r=60/


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59913 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Springfield Ohio Train Show
It is a shame that there isn't a S group that doesn't display there as it is
probably the biggest show in Ohio. A lot of people. Thanks Bert Cutler


For almost 15 years the Central Ohio S Gaugers set up their 16 x 20
portable hi rail layout at this Springfield show (3 large buildings). When
the promoter saw he could sell more tables by putting the COSG layout on the
stage, our club went along with his idea -- for ONE show. Because the
stage was only 3 feet wider than the layout, and because we (not getting any
younger) members had to lift our heavy sections UP 3 feet onto the stage, we
felt it was not safe space-wise nor easy on our backs. We requested the
promoter place us back on the main table area. He declined, so we said we
would not display our layout again.
That's why there is not an S layout (be it hi rail) at this show.
(There are both a big HO club and a big N Club layout in the center
building, BTW)

Alan Evans
Secretary, Central Ohio S Gaugers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59914 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Circus Train Cut-outs
The 1950 Circus Train set 5002T had a 46 piece cut-out circus.  It came in four sheets and it was die-cut to easily punch out and set up.  Can anyone provide an estimated going price today for just the 46 piece paper circus cut-outs on the original four sheets?  Thanks. 

Bob   




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59915 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
I was curious and tried to open the link to the new Lionel Catalog. I
could not figure out how to open it. All I could do was zoom in and out
regardless of which button I tried to click. I heard there was more detail and
quality being put into items but could not find out what they were talking
about.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/27/2010 7:50:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
myflyertrains@... writes:




If you have ever wanted a Defender Set but didn't want to pay the price for
the original, Lionel is remaking it!

Page 167 of the new catalog.

Enjoy...

Chuck Harrington
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!
_http://www.myflyerthttp://ww_ (http://www.myflyertrains.org/)

On Mar 26, 2010, at 12:13 PM, sgaugian wrote:

> 2010 volume 1 with AF items and RTR (O and G gauge) catalogs online.
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59916 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Saw a "Greenberg" repro go for $150.00 recently, one of the group just paid
$900 (?) for an original, I have

Neilsen "repros" for $36.95 + shipping.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59917 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF Lionel
In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:50:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

http://www.lionel.com/
Not that I buy Lionel items anymore, they have a very large selection of AF
items. Lots of passenger cars. A remake of the 1959 Defender Set.

Will that kill the value of that set now?

Mike

Normally, "remakes" do adversely affect the value of the original
sets/items. It is interesting that, with the "Brains" at LIONEL, "Original Thinking"
doesn't seem to exist, unless it concerns cheapening things that work to
the point where they no longer do, evidence, the DEFECTIVE trucks on their
freight cars.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59918 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Thanks for the going price information on the Circus train cut-outs Jim.  A friend sold a "Greenberg" repro set for $100.00 recently.  My brother came across a set missing one piece of the 46 pieces.  He is negotiating for the purchase.  Thanks again Jim.

Bob

 


________________________________
From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 4:48:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs

 
Saw a "Greenberg" repro go for $150.00 recently, one of the group just paid
$900 (?) for an original, I have

Neilsen "repros" for $36.95 + shipping.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59919 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/28/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59920 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Bob.... Several years ago I bought a nice one from John Heck for around 1300.00,
complete with envelope and circus tickets. Over the past 6 Months I have seen 3 sell on ebay for right at 800.00 with the envelope... no tickets... One only a couple of days ago..
Search ebay...
 
I got a real nice one a couple months back for about 800.00 including shippimg for my second set....
 
Want to try something rough in the Circus punch outs!!!!!!!! Try finding the Giant Circus Set that was made sometime about 1950 too.... Its the American Flyer one from the same Dies and printing... On the pieces without AF on them NO ONE COULD TELL WHICH IS WHICH!!!! Only the name was changed.... No idea what it was made for... instructions, etc... all AF but no Flyer Writing.
 
I have seen 40- 50 AF Circus sets over the years..... Buy only about 4 of the GS sets.. One was gotten for someone somewhere for his collection, and I only heard about it. Two unpunched in the envelope, Which I have, ( And for some reason there is a small diff... don't remember but it seems one had a Canadian post mark... and one in the env which has a couple parts missing... This one might go up for sale soon.... and one I sold many years ago... Not sure if this might have been the one referred to as heard of...if you have a few AF pieces they will fill in the holes!!!!!!!
 
These GS ones are not easy to find.... How many of you AF collectors have one of these???? I would like more info on these... S guagian had a small blurb once about it but it was from my e bay ad.... that set was missing a small piece  to... it sold around 500 then
 
Bob Conner
 
 

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:


From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:01 PM


 



The 1950 Circus Train set 5002T had a 46 piece cut-out circus.  It came in four sheets and it was die-cut to easily punch out and set up.  Can anyone provide an estimated going price today for just the 46 piece paper circus cut-outs on the original four sheets?  Thanks. 

Bob   

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59921 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Bought one of the GS sets off ebay a few years back for $35. It was complete and unpunched with it's envelope.

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:23 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs




Bob.... Several years ago I bought a nice one from John Heck for around 1300.00,
complete with envelope and circus tickets. Over the past 6 Months I have seen 3 sell on ebay for right at 800.00 with the envelope... no tickets... One only a couple of days ago..
Search ebay...

I got a real nice one a couple months back for about 800.00 including shippimg for my second set....

Want to try something rough in the Circus punch outs!!!!!!!! Try finding the Giant Circus Set that was made sometime about 1950 too.... Its the American Flyer one from the same Dies and printing... On the pieces without AF on them NO ONE COULD TELL WHICH IS WHICH!!!! Only the name was changed.... No idea what it was made for... instructions, etc... all AF but no Flyer Writing.

I have seen 40- 50 AF Circus sets over the years..... Buy only about 4 of the GS sets.. One was gotten for someone somewhere for his collection, and I only heard about it. Two unpunched in the envelope, Which I have, ( And for some reason there is a small diff... don't remember but it seems one had a Canadian post mark... and one in the env which has a couple parts missing... This one might go up for sale soon.... and one I sold many years ago... Not sure if this might have been the one referred to as heard of...if you have a few AF pieces they will fill in the holes!!!!!!!

These GS ones are not easy to find.... How many of you AF collectors have one of these???? I would like more info on these... S guagian had a small blurb once about it but it was from my e bay ad.... that set was missing a small piece to... it sold around 500 then

Bob Conner



--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:01 PM



The 1950 Circus Train set 5002T had a 46 piece cut-out circus. It came in four sheets and it was die-cut to easily punch out and set up. Can anyone provide an estimated going price today for just the 46 piece paper circus cut-outs on the original four sheets? Thanks.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59922 From: fahrwud Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: There-ain't-a-prototype-for-that dept.
An O scale Plymouth switcher running on an S scale chassis?
Wasn't that K-line?
Or these guys in Newfoundland on 42" gauge?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z9a8Uwf_nY&feature=related

D
Group: S-Trains Message: 59923 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
That makes 5 i have heard of or seen.... I got one of these for 50.00.. Any others?
I collect the old "PEP" punch airplanes from WW2... Have the complete set... I later discovered that 7 of the 28 were redone in europe after the war in Cereal too... 2 diff laungages of 7 planes each.... Missing only 1 of the 14 known diff... Bob

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:


From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 9:22 PM


 




Bought one of the GS sets off ebay a few years back for $35. It was complete and unpunched with it's envelope.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:23 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs

Bob.... Several years ago I bought a nice one from John Heck for around 1300.00,
complete with envelope and circus tickets. Over the past 6 Months I have seen 3 sell on ebay for right at 800.00 with the envelope... no tickets... One only a couple of days ago..
Search ebay...

I got a real nice one a couple months back for about 800.00 including shippimg for my second set....

Want to try something rough in the Circus punch outs!!!!!!!! Try finding the Giant Circus Set that was made sometime about 1950 too.... Its the American Flyer one from the same Dies and printing... On the pieces without AF on them NO ONE COULD TELL WHICH IS WHICH!!!! Only the name was changed.... No idea what it was made for... instructions, etc... all AF but no Flyer Writing.

I have seen 40- 50 AF Circus sets over the years..... Buy only about 4 of the GS sets.. One was gotten for someone somewhere for his collection, and I only heard about it. Two unpunched in the envelope, Which I have, ( And for some reason there is a small diff... don't remember but it seems one had a Canadian post mark... and one in the env which has a couple parts missing... This one might go up for sale soon.... and one I sold many years ago... Not sure if this might have been the one referred to as heard of...if you have a few AF pieces they will fill in the holes!!!!!!!

These GS ones are not easy to find.... How many of you AF collectors have one of these???? I would like more info on these... S guagian had a small blurb once about it but it was from my e bay ad.... that set was missing a small piece to... it sold around 500 then

Bob Conner



--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@yahoo. com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:01 PM

The 1950 Circus Train set 5002T had a 46 piece cut-out circus. It came in four sheets and it was die-cut to easily punch out and set up. Can anyone provide an estimated going price today for just the 46 piece paper circus cut-outs on the original four sheets? Thanks.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59924 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
I am not really enamored of how Lionel puts up their catalogs, but I am
sure someone on their web team thinks it is "really cool." As best as I
can determine, the index is just to tell you which page things are on.
You can't click on anything there to go to what you want. The
initial view is of the whole two pages. When you click on the page,
which has a + sign for a cursor, it makes the page bigger, i.e.
readable, though you have to scroll around to view it in sections. You
click again to go back to the two page view. To get the page you want,
you need to enter the page number at the bottom, which will get you
close to the page you want. Only close because the page numbers in the
web reader they use, which I think is a tricked out Adobe reader, are
different from the catalog pages. Also, you probably need to go to
the larger view to even see the page numbers. As I said, "really cool,"
but not really useable.

Dale

tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
>
> I was curious and tried to open the link to the new Lionel Catalog. I
> could not figure out how to open it. All I could do was zoom in and out
> regardless of which button I tried to click. I heard there was more
> detail and
> quality being put into items but could not find out what they were
> talking
> about.
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
> I
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59925 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/27/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
In a message dated 3/27/2010 10:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dfsmith26@... writes:

As I said, "really cool,"
but not really useable.

Kinda like LIONEL, generally. Note that the "new" $ 69.99 and higher
priced freight cars, made with the "modern" 1945 dies and molds STILL have the
DEFECTIVE, BREAKAWAY trucks on them.

They'll sell like "hotcakes" .

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59926 From: AlR Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: American Flyer trains with play wear for Sale
American Flyer trains with play wear for Sale
----------------------------------------------------------
1) #628 C.& N.W.RY. (#42597 printed on body). Gray die-cast metal flatcar with log load held down with metal straps. Link couplers with plastic weights. Trucks and couplers work very good. No rust. Sell for $15.00
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2) #629 Missouri Pacific Stock car - Die-cast frame with unpainted red plastic open-slat body. All lettering has been removed. One end has a diagonal crack in the plastic about one inch long. Link couplers with weights (one weight was missing so I added a small screw to give the added weight). Both sliding doors are missing the latches. Sell for $10.00. Great for kit-bashing.
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3) #988 American Refrigerator Transit Co. Orange painted sides and silver roof and ends. This refrigerator car has knuckle couplers and trucks with sintered-iron frames and sliding doors that work. 3 paper decals each side. One side has some damage due to scratches that damaged the paint and lettering and one part of one decal. Some silver paint chipped off both catwalk ends. Sell for $49 or best offer. Great fix-up car.
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4) #586F Wayside Station - Red roof, green posts, gray base, 2 working lights. Missing 2 men and baggage cart. Paint scratches on roof and a small buckle in one end of the roof. Sell for $49 or best offer.
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5) 24730 F.Y. & P.R.R. Baggage car - Labeled "OVERLAND EXPRESS", part of the FRONTIERSMAN set. VG+ condition except the left window on one end has been broken out near the roof. Sell for $25 or make an offer I cannot refuse.
Photos available for all cars.
Contact me off-line.
Prices do not include parcel-post shipping costs.
Thanks, Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 59927 From: Bruce Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
That's amazing. I paid $9.95 for my Greenberg repro when it was first released.

Bruce



From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:48 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs



Saw a "Greenberg" repro go for $150.00 recently, one of the group just paid
$900 (?) for an original, I have

Neilsen "repros" for $36.95 + shipping.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59928 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Yes, Lionel catalog on website is a nightmare. I haven't figured out how to download individual pictures for use either. It seems like techy gone wild. Jeff Madden



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: dfsmith26@...
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:22:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!





I am not really enamored of how Lionel puts up their catalogs, but I am
sure someone on their web team thinks it is "really cool." As best as I
can determine, the index is just to tell you which page things are on.
You can't click on anything there to go to what you want. The
initial view is of the whole two pages. When you click on the page,
which has a + sign for a cursor, it makes the page bigger, i.e.
readable, though you have to scroll around to view it in sections. You
click again to go back to the two page view. To get the page you want,
you need to enter the page number at the bottom, which will get you
close to the page you want. Only close because the page numbers in the
web reader they use, which I think is a tricked out Adobe reader, are
different from the catalog pages. Also, you probably need to go to
the larger view to even see the page numbers. As I said, "really cool,"
but not really useable.

Dale

tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
>
> I was curious and tried to open the link to the new Lionel Catalog. I
> could not figure out how to open it. All I could do was zoom in and out
> regardless of which button I tried to click. I heard there was more
> detail and
> quality being put into items but could not find out what they were
> talking
> about.
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
> I
>
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59929 From: Bruce Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF Lionel
Since they are obviously remakes (couplers, trucks, etc. easily discernable from the originals), I would think that they wouldn't affect the value of the original issues.

Bruce



From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Lionel




In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:50:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

http://www.lionel.com/
Not that I buy Lionel items anymore, they have a very large selection of AF
items. Lots of passenger cars. A remake of the 1959 Defender Set.

Will that kill the value of that set now?

Mike

Normally, "remakes" do adversely affect the value of the original
sets/items. It is interesting that, with the "Brains" at LIONEL, "Original Thinking"
doesn't seem to exist, unless it concerns cheapening things that work to
the point where they no longer do, evidence, the DEFECTIVE trucks on their
freight cars.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59930 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
At the bottom of Lionel's on-line catalog is an icon that downloads a Adobe
pdf version that is a bit easier to use.
But, the images are broken up and incomplete to copy though. You will have to do a print screen and crop to a file to get product images.


Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Madden
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:49 PM
To: Trains S
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!




Yes, Lionel catalog on website is a nightmare. I haven't figured out how
to download individual pictures for use either. It seems like techy gone
wild. Jeff Madden
Group: S-Trains Message: 59931 From: John Degnan Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Jeff (and all),

Take a tip from an experienced HACKER : Use your PRINT SCREEN key to take a snapshot of the web page on which the picture you want a copy of is located, then paste the entire image into MSPaint. You can then crop, move, rotate and otherwise adjust the photo until you have what you want, then save it as whatever file type you want (BMP, JPG, GIF, TIF or PNG).

This entire process should take no longer than 2 minutes for anyone... usually about 30 seconds for me.

Even if the images are broken up, you can copy and paste them back together with perfection.

Need more help? Contact me OFF-LINE (I only receive Special Notices from the S-Trains group as of today).


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!


Yes, Lionel catalog on website is a nightmare. I haven't figured out how
to download individual pictures for use either. It seems like techy gone
wild. Jeff Madden



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59932 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
For those having trouble click on the link:

http://www.mwkiner.com/sell/2010Lion.htm





From: John Degnan
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:20 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!



Jeff (and all),

Take a tip from an experienced HACKER : Use your PRINT SCREEN key to take a snapshot of the web page on which the picture you want a copy of is located, then paste the entire image into MSPaint. You can then crop, move, rotate and otherwise adjust the photo until you have what you want, then save it as whatever file type you want (BMP, JPG, GIF, TIF or PNG).

This entire process should take no longer than 2 minutes for anyone... usually about 30 seconds for me.

Even if the images are broken up, you can copy and paste them back together with perfection.

Need more help? Contact me OFF-LINE (I only receive Special Notices from the S-Trains group as of today).

John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!

Yes, Lionel catalog on website is a nightmare. I haven't figured out how
to download individual pictures for use either. It seems like techy gone
wild. Jeff Madden

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59933 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Hi Mark.  Thanks for the great Lionel Catalog link.  Have a great day.

Bob




________________________________
From: Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 9:44:40 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!

 
For those having trouble click on the link:

http://www.mwkiner com/sell/ 2010Lion. htm

From: John Degnan
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:20 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!

Jeff (and all),

Take a tip from an experienced HACKER : Use your PRINT SCREEN key to take a snapshot of the web page on which the picture you want a copy of is located, then paste the entire image into MSPaint. You can then crop, move, rotate and otherwise adjust the photo until you have what you want, then save it as whatever file type you want (BMP, JPG, GIF, TIF or PNG).

This entire process should take no longer than 2 minutes for anyone... usually about 30 seconds for me.

Even if the images are broken up, you can copy and paste them back together with perfection.

Need more help? Contact me OFF-LINE (I only receive Special Notices from the S-Trains group as of today).

John Degnan
Scaler164@comcast. net

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@tuveson. com
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!

Yes, Lionel catalog on website is a nightmare. I haven't figured out how
to download individual pictures for use either. It seems like techy gone
wild. Jeff Madden

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59934 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Prototypically dirty freight cars for sale
I have received three large flat rate Priority Mail boxes of hoppers, two of tank cars, and one with stock cars, boxcars, and reefers.  There are 14 cars in most of the boxess so I've got about 80 cars here.  All are about as dirty as you'll find in a real live rail yard; some are so authentic that they have rust on them!  Sorry, no Virginians or 5-digit cars - just the garden variety 6xx, 8xx, and 9xx cars.  A couple need repair, but the rest are operable.  I'll sell them cheap to save me the time of cleaning them up and to save you the time it'll take to weather them!  Contact me off list and let me know how many you'd like of what.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59935 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Prototypically dirty freight cars for sale
All are Gilbert Flyer S-Gauge from 1946 to mid 1950s.  Most of the Flyer roadnames of that era are represented. Sorry, I should have stated that.

 
Are these cars Scale or Hi-Rail? what are the road names on the hoppers?
 
Thanks




From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>; s-trains@...
Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 3:17:57 PM
Subject: [AvailableSgauge] Prototypically dirty freight cars for sale

 







I have received three large flat rate Priority Mail boxes of hoppers, two of tank cars, and one with stock cars, boxcars, and reefers.  There are 14 cars in most of the boxess so I've got about 80 cars here.  All are about as dirty as you'll find in a real live rail yard; some are so authentic that they have rust on them!  Sorry, no Virginians or 5-digit cars - just the garden variety 6xx, 8xx, and 9xx cars.  A couple need repair, but the rest are operable.  I'll sell them cheap to save me the time of cleaning them up and to save you the time it'll take to weather them!  Contact me off list and let me know how many you'd like of what.














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Group: S-Trains Message: 59936 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Date:   Sunday March 28, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59937 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
Hello friends,

Not long after it was first published by Greenburg, my sister bought a repro AF circus cutout set from a hobby shop in Port Townsend, WA. I think she paid about $15.00. She gave it to me for my birthday so my investment in it is zero. As you know, the Greenburg set was not prepunched. You had to cut it out. I never got around to it, so it still sits uncut.

I always wanted to set up a paper AF circus to go with my AF circus trains, but after the Greenburg sets were out of print for a while and getting somewhat hard to find, I hesitated to cut mine out. One day I searched on eBay for "circus" rather than "American Flyer", and I came across a Giant Circus cutout set with instructions and envelope. As mentioned in Robert Conner's earlier post, it looked identical to the AF circus except for Giant Circus printed on the main tent. I got it with a bid of $25.00, and I thought that it might be a cheap replacement for the original AF circus that even then was quite spendy and also allow me to keep my Greenburg repro mint and uncut.

Before I punched out the Giant Circus, though, I decided to write to the S Gaugian to find out what I could about this variation of the paper circus. This was before the S gauge and toy train lists were active on the Internet. When the responses to my inquiry seemed to indicate that the Giant Circus was not all that common, I decided not to punch it out and put it together.

So now I have an uncut Greenburg repro and an interesting Giant Circus not yet punched out for a total investment of $25.00 and no paper circus to set up with my trains. And I have always considered myself an operator, not a collector.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

PS: If anyone has come up with a creative way to preserve and display a punch out circus without having it punch itself out due to handling, I'd like to hear your tips.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59938 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: lionel catalogues on line
Thanks John the link you provided worked perfect.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59939 From: EdSauers Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Need Rex Scale 48" drivers for Dockside
Group,

Anyone have a set (2 axles, 4 wheels) of REX 48" scale drivers that they would be willing to part with?

Thanks

Ed Sauers
Group: S-Trains Message: 59940 From: Wayne Daren Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Big Boy
Just received my own Big Boy. I've been reviewing the manual I am confused a bit as to how to make it compatible with my old 50's AF locos. I know I need to buy the Legacy Controller set to use all of the features, but what other supplies do I need to buy to use with the old locos?  Besides ye olde original AF transformer, I have a newer conventional transformer which I have been using.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59941 From: clayton deich Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Re: Circus Train Cut-outs
 Hi Alan, I never picked one up when you could get them. I also would not pay the price for the real one. Now I have the train, but not that item. I don't know if I will ever pick one up. I have no Ideas here on what you are asking...
 Scott  Oregon

--- On Sun, 3/28/10, Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote:

From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Circus Train Cut-outs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 10:18 PM
















 









Hello friends,



Not long after it was first published by Greenburg, my sister bought a repro AF circus cutout set from a hobby shop in Port Townsend, WA. I think she paid about $15.00. She gave it to me for my birthday so my investment in it is zero. As you know, the Greenburg set was not prepunched. You had to cut it out. I never got around to it, so it still sits uncut.



I always wanted to set up a paper AF circus to go with my AF circus trains, but after the Greenburg sets were out of print for a while and getting somewhat hard to find, I hesitated to cut mine out. One day I searched on eBay for "circus" rather than "American Flyer", and I came across a Giant Circus cutout set with instructions and envelope. As mentioned in Robert Conner's earlier post, it looked identical to the AF circus except for Giant Circus printed on the main tent. I got it with a bid of $25.00, and I thought that it might be a cheap replacement for the original AF circus that even then was quite spendy and also allow me to keep my Greenburg repro mint and uncut.



Before I punched out the Giant Circus, though, I decided to write to the S Gaugian to find out what I could about this variation of the paper circus. This was before the S gauge and toy train lists were active on the Internet. When the responses to my inquiry seemed to indicate that the Giant Circus was not all that common, I decided not to punch it out and put it together.



So now I have an uncut Greenburg repro and an interesting Giant Circus not yet punched out for a total investment of $25.00 and no paper circus to set up with my trains. And I have always considered myself an operator, not a collector.



Cheers!



Alan Bennett

Keizer, OR



PS: If anyone has come up with a creative way to preserve and display a punch out circus without having it punch itself out due to handling, I'd like to hear your tips.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59942 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 3/29/2010
Subject: Info needed regarding brass loco
Hi all,

I'm hoping someone can give me some information on a loco I recently acquired in a group of Flyer items I purchased.

Here is a link to a photo of the unit:

http://clients.twildstudio.com/manderman/images/01NYCmystery.jpg

You should be able to enlarge the photo quite a bit to see the detail by hitting "apple +" or "command +".


This engine is constructed mostly of brass. It has scale wheels and I can find no mfgr. markings on it. I'm going to guess by the large rectifier that this is a 1960's or early 70's era piece.

I'm also interested in finding a good home for this as I am not running Scale pieces at this time. If anyone is interested in this.... make me an offer I can't refuse.

Thanks


Mark Anderman



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59943 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!
Just FYI I will be pulling this link down over the coming weekend. So anyone wishing to view or save the pictures to their disk would be advised to do this prior to Sunday April 4th.

Mark


From: Mark Kiner
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalogs online - The Defender Set!



For those having trouble click on the link:

http://www.mwkiner.com/sell/2010Lion.htm




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59944 From: sgaugian Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Field orientation - does it matter?
Would the orientation of a Gilbert PA field matter to the direction the motor runs, particularly relative to the other motor in the case of a dual-motor unit? Here's the situation - - the field lead mounting points on one motor (holes in black hardboard) are broken open, but there are two good ones (holes intact) at the other end of the field. I might unsolder the leads, swing around the field, and resolder using the good mounting points. Intuitively it seems that wouldn't change anything, and on a single motor engine no biggee even if it did, but since a dual motor engine I wanted to ask. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59945 From: sgaugian Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Re: Info needed regarding brass loco
Whatever it is I think it needs a bigger flywheel. LOL
Group: S-Trains Message: 59946 From: aztecfan Date: 3/30/2010
Subject: Circus set
Just take it to the office store and get it copied, then cut that one up. Rather simple with paper.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59947 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: 1905 film from a trolley
Group: S-Trains Message: 59948 From: Dave Bellian Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Troop cars for Sale.
Hello All. We are going to list five River Raisin Military Troop cars shortly on E-Bay. Anyone interested before the listing please contact me off list for details. We have Troop sleepers #7000, #7673 and # 7533 also we have Kitchen car painted with no number, and one with # K-113. All ion original boxes and I have never run any. All are in perfect condition.
Thanks,

Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59949 From: Scott Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Seaboard Locomotive
Hey guys,
I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom paint job done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking for is that it has a nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who was telling me about it called it a "road monster." Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Scott
S-Modulator
Group: S-Trains Message: 59950 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Scott,

The engine is probably a Baldwin DR12-8-3000, SAL series 4500 to 4513. It was a monster all right, 91' 6" long over the couplers. It had a 4 wheel pilot truck, rigid frame 8 wheel drive set, followed by another 8 wheel drive set and a 4 wheel trailing truck. They were built 1945 to 48 and lasted until 1960. To my knowledge it has never been made in S-scale only HO.

Pictures can be found on pg 110 of "Seaboard Motive Power" by Warren L. Calloway & Paul K. Withers.

Sam


----- Original Message -----
From: Scott
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Seaboard Locomotive



Hey guys,
I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom paint job done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking for is that it has a nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who was telling me about it called it a "road monster." Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Scott
S-Modulator





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59951 From: Rhett George Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Field orientation - does it matter?
- GreetingS -

"Sgaugian" asked an interesting question about broken field wires on
a power truck in an Alco PA model. Here are a couple of thoughts on
that action. Does the field seem to sit symmetrically around the
armature? If not, you may want to reposition it in several ways to
obtain better symmetry, including taking it from the truck frame and
turning it around. If it seems symmetrical about the armature, it
may be best to leave it along.

Sure, go ahead and use the field coil ends as wrapped around the black
insulator at the other end of the coil. Before putting the cab on the
from, set the chassis on blocks, connect an AF transformer to the
truck leads, and power up the loco. Do all the wheels turn in the
same direction? If so, pat yourself on the shoulder. If not, reverse
only the two wires that reconnected the field. Then pat yourself on
the shoulder.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 59952 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: VERIZON Service Level (Wardie-Jay TinPlate Tie related)
My MAIN Verizon phone line ( 717-687-6007 ) went dead around noon today. I
called VERIZON twice this PM ( you have to guess at a number that will
connect you to a breathing person).

The multi-pair cable phone line on this property was buried between the
blades of grass in the lawn BY VERIZON some yrs ago. I AM FORCED to bury their
lines in 2" conduit 24" deep when I install undergrond services. They (
Verizon ) can push blades of grass aside and go.

MOST of the pairs have failed in the ensuing years. I am told by VERIZON
techs that the MAIN lines on both sides of Rt 30 are corroded, crumbling
copper. The problem is frequently a junction box about one and a half miles
from the house, seems water runs thru it when we have rain.

I HAVE BEEN assured that VERIZON will have the phone line operational by 7
PM Monday, the FIFTH of April, 5 and 1/2 days after the failure. They
offered, at one point, to charge me for fixing their lines, however.

IF you wish to call to order TinPlate Ties, PLEASE Call 717-278-6007.

Thanks,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 59953 From: william cole Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
that's what I was thinking... the Baldwin Centipede....
 Bc


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________________________________
From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 3:56:06 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seaboard Locomotive

 
Scott,

The engine is probably a Baldwin DR12-8-3000, SAL series 4500 to 4513. It was a monster all right, 91' 6" long over the couplers. It had a 4 wheel pilot truck, rigid frame 8 wheel drive set, followed by another 8 wheel drive set and a 4 wheel trailing truck. They were built 1945 to 48 and lasted until 1960. To my knowledge it has never been made in S-scale only HO.

Pictures can be found on pg 110 of "Seaboard Motive Power" by Warren L. Calloway & Paul K. Withers.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Seaboard Locomotive

Hey guys,
I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom paint job done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking for is that it has a nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who was telling me about it called it a "road monster." Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Scott
S-Modulator

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59954 From: Scott Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
I have more information. I am now looking for a Showcase Line Seaboard Lines E7a and E7b. Also, and I am also trying to locate a Baltimore and Ohio E7a and E7b for my collection. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Scott
S-Modulator

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <millesco@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
> I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom paint job done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking for is that it has a nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who was telling me about it called it a "road monster." Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Scott
> S-Modulator
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59955 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
The Showcase Line E7s have never gone into production and I have not heard
any indication that they will ever be available, though I too would love
to have an ABA set for IC and an A-A set for L&N or Southern. I am still
hopeful but I am not counting on it.

Occasionally brass E7s come up on eBay. Tom Hodgson made an E7 shell to
fit an American Flyer PA chassis but I have not seen any of these advertised
in a real long time. Those are the only E7s I know of in S.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/31/2010 4:30:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
millesco@... writes:




I have more information. I am now looking for a Showcase Line Seaboard
Lines E7a and E7b. Also, and I am also trying to locate a Baltimore and Ohio
E7a and E7b for my collection. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Scott
S-Modulator

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"Scott" <millesco@..m> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
> I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was
wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom paint job
done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking for is that it has a
nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who was telling me about it
called it a "road monster." Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Scott
> S-Modulator
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59956 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Dear Scott,
To say the least, your search is premature....
Best regards,
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.

On Mar 31, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Scott wrote:

> I have more information. I am now looking for a Showcase Line
> Seaboard Lines E7a and E7b. Also, and I am also trying to locate a
> Baltimore and Ohio E7a and E7b for my collection. Any help will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Scott
> S-Modulator
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <millesco@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys,
> > I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was
> wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom
> paint job done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking
> for is that it has a nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who
> was telling me about it called it a "road monster." Any help will be
> greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> > Scott
> > S-Modulator
> >
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59957 From: Miller, Scott Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Well, that explains a lot. Well, I guess I can buy a big steamer now :P. thanks for all you help.

Scott

________________________________

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Don Thompson
Sent: Wed 3/31/2010 8:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Seaboard Locomotive




Dear Scott,
To say the least, your search is premature....
Best regards,
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.

On Mar 31, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Scott wrote:

> I have more information. I am now looking for a Showcase Line
> Seaboard Lines E7a and E7b. Also, and I am also trying to locate a
> Baltimore and Ohio E7a and E7b for my collection. Any help will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Scott
> S-Modulator
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Scott" <millesco@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys,
> > I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was
> wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom
> paint job done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking
> for is that it has a nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who
> was telling me about it called it a "road monster." Any help will be
> greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> > Scott
> > S-Modulator
> >
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59958 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/31/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
Cool!

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Don Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Seaboard Locomotive

Dear Scott,
To say the least, your search is premature....
Best regards,
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59959 From: Lance McCold Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
Reversing its orientation might also reverse the polarity of the magnetic field it produces. I think whether or not it reverses the polarity will be determined by what you do with the wires. Rather than getting deep in thought about how to do it so it works right the first time, I would just wire it up without the shell and test that the wheels on both motors are going the same direction. If you are unlucky and they are going opposite directions, no worries--just reverse the wires that connect the field and you will find the wheels of both motors going the same direction.

Cheers,

Lance McCold
Knoxville, TN

At 06:37 AM 3/31/2010, you wrote:
>________________________________________________________________________
>1. Field orientation - does it matter?
> Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@... sgaugian
> Date: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:19 pm ((PDT))
>
>Would the orientation of a Gilbert PA field matter to the direction the motor runs, particularly relative to the other motor in the case of a dual-motor unit? Here's the situation - - the field lead mounting points on one motor (holes in black hardboard) are broken open, but there are two good ones (holes intact) at the other end of the field. I might unsolder the leads, swing around the field, and resolder using the good mounting points. Intuitively it seems that wouldn't change anything, and on a single motor engine no biggee even if it did, but since a dual motor engine I wanted to ask. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59960 From: sgaugian Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
So SHS is taking E7 orders! (April Fool [;)] )


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Cool!
>
> Bill

>
> Dear Scott,
> To say the least, your search is ....
> Best regards,
> Don Thompson
> S Helper Service Inc.
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59961 From: sgaugian Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
I take it no one's been there done that with this. I'm going to assume
it does matter and wire accordingly. If not then reverse that.
Centering is OK. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59962 From: The Reardon's Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
So Don,

When you say "premature", would you give us a hint as to whether you are talking "months", or perhaps "years" premature? Inquiring minds want to know.

Pat, in (warm) Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Seaboard Locomotive



Dear Scott,
To say the least, your search is premature....
Best regards,
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.

On Mar 31, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Scott wrote:

> I have more information. I am now looking for a Showcase Line
> Seaboard Lines E7a and E7b. Also, and I am also trying to locate a
> Baltimore and Ohio E7a and E7b for my collection. Any help will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Scott
> S-Modulator
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <millesco@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys,
> > I am currently looking for a Seaboard cab unit for S-scale. I was
> wondering if any were produced, or if I would have to get a custom
> paint job done. All that I've been told about the engine I'm looking
> for is that it has a nose similar to an F-unit, and the person who
> was telling me about it called it a "road monster." Any help will be
> greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> > Scott
> > S-Modulator
> >
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59963 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Seaboard Locomotive
And maybe they will be in the very handsome and difficult citrus colors
- it's a good day for dreamers.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sgaugian
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Seaboard Locomotive



So SHS is taking E7 orders! (April Fool [;)] )


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Cool!
>
> Bill

>
> Dear Scott,
> To say the least, your search is ....
> Best regards,
> Don Thompson
> S Helper Service Inc.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59964 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
No one seems to want to say, Yes it does matter. That is the whole
principle behind the E-Unit. It changes the field poles/ wires (for lack of the
proper term) Mike in Or


In a message dated 4/1/2010 2:46:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dsme_horn@... writes:





I take it no one's been there done that with this. I'm going to assume
it does matter and wire accordingly. If not then reverse that.
Centering is OK. Thanks.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59965 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: A.F. Diesel Repair?
Does anyone have a suggestion on someone who will clean & lubricate an American Flyer diesel (#490)? Would like someone that has an excellent track record, and will not take months to get it back. Suggestions?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59966 From: sgaugian Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
Right. Reverse unit electrically flips poles of the field while holding
them constant across the armature. Interesting that with AC that
matters but it does. Flipping the orientation of the field coil, very
likely achieves a similar result, just physically.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59967 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Wisconsin Central
Okay, who on these list have anything from Wisconsin Central RR!?

I just receive their yellow paint for some other project I am working on.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59968 From: preardon4girls Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switchs
Does anyone have experience with the older Gargraves turnouts? I have picked up two used ones and they have a long sweep, maybe "high speed" turnouts. Anyhow, I'm trying to find out if they are OK or are they junk and I just shouldn't bother.

Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59969 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: A.F. Diesel Repair?
Doug Peck @ Portlines, Steve @ SnS trains & Joe ,@ Joe's Train Repair


In a message dated 4/2/2010 8:11:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ruth.leahy@... writes:




Does anyone have a suggestion on someone who will clean & lubricate an
American Flyer diesel (#490)? Would like someone that has an excellent track
record, and will not take months to get it back. Suggestions?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59970 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: Field orientation - does it matter?
In a similar law, the direction of the windings of the coil wire will
result in the way a solenoid's plunger will move.. Using your right hand &
looking at it, the way your thumb points & the way the wire is wound will be
the direction of travel of the plunger, turn your hand over & your thumb &
winding chang direction.. That is why a remote switch has two coils wound on
(Over) the throw rod (Plunger). Mike
PS: I think this law (it's been quite awhile has a name like "Henry")


In a message dated 4/2/2010 8:12:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dsme_horn@... writes:





Right. Reverse unit electrically flips poles of the field while holding
them constant across the armature. Interesting that with AC that
matters but it does. Flipping the orientation of the field coil, very
likely achieves a similar result, just physically.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59971 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/2/2010
Subject: Re: A.F. Diesel Repair?
Hi Mike-
I've had good luck with Hank's Model trains here in Louisville, but only with steamers. He's taken care of everything from postwar stuff to my new Big Boy. His repair is handled by a Lionel factory-trained guy that lives up in the Gunbarrel area, who seems very knowledgeable. Again, though, my personal experience with him is limited to steamers. Hank Argue is one of the good guys in the business and I'm sure if he doesn't feel he can do you any good, he'll tell you up front. Hank's phone is (303) 666-5468, and his shop is on main street in Old Town at 728 Main.
Jim Ensign
Lousville

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruth A Leahy" <ruth.leahy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2010 7:57:47 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. Diesel Repair?






Does anyone have a suggestion on someone who will clean & lubricate an American Flyer diesel (#490)? Would like someone that has an excellent track record, and will not take months to get it back. Suggestions?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59973 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switchs
Hi Pat,

Do your switches have wood ties or a molded, plastic base? I don't know
which ones are older and which are younger.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of preardon4girls
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 8:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves Switchs


Does anyone have experience with the older Gargraves turnouts? I have
picked up two used ones and they have a long sweep, maybe "high speed"
turnouts. Anyhow, I'm trying to find out if they are OK or are they
junk and I just shouldn't bother.

Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 59974 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switches
I have had problems with Gargraves switches in the past, some equipment just won't run through them without derailing. They seem to work okay with old Flyer, if the wheelsets are in gauge. They aren't really reliable with anything however. I ended up using Gargraves track but old Flyer switches for a time because of this.
On the other hand, I know a guy who built his whole layout using them, and it seems to run okay, although he is a master at tweeking things.
I was working at a hobby shop at the time and tried all the different tracks, eventually getting rid of everything except S Helper Service. I use SHS sectional and flex track and everything seems to work very well on their switches, including scale wheels.
The rail code is as low as you can go and still accept Flyer wheels, is weathered, and the switches will handle everything I have. My loco and rolling stock fleet is made up of new, old, scratchbuilt, rebuilt junkers, with both hi-rail and scale wheels, from an old Flyer 4-8-4 to a Putt/Rex Docksider 0-4-0, this is a pretty diverse lot.
I have been told that there was a minor design modification made and Gaegraves switches are better now, but I have no experience with that, having given up on them eight years ago.
Stumpy Stone...the Appalachia Flyer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 59975 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Mike,
     We have decals for Wisconsin Central at our web site and can produce almost any decal for that road if a client wants.
     For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Fri, 4/2/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Wisconsin Central
To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 8:42 PM


 



Okay, who on these list have anything from Wisconsin Central RR!?

I just receive their yellow paint for some other project I am working on.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59976 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Hi,
Price list please.

Joe Haughney

_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Doug and Cathy
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:51 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale




Hi there, about 10 years ago I inherited my dads S scale items and they've
been sitting in my closet since. I am sticking to H.O scale and I'm really
looking to find a good home for my dads S scale items.

Most have only been out of the boxes to take the photos of.

Pictures of the items can be seen here:

http://www.goldenst <http://www.goldenstarphoto.com/Other/S-Scale-for>
arphoto.com/Other/S-Scale-for sale/11476431_cBJ5e#807345732_sBh7N (copy and
paste in your browser)

The description is as below:

S Scale Rolling Stock

Manufacturer Type of Car Road Name
American Model #501 40' Box Railbox
American Model #117 40' Box Southern Pacific
American Model #1502 50' Box Evergreen
American Model #3301 Covered Hopper A.D.M.
American Model #7711 Bay Window Cab. Southern Pacific
American Model #6020 46' Flatcar Southern Pacific
American Model #3312 Covered Hopper ATSF
American Model #7524A Caboose Southern Pacific
American Model #502 Tank Car GATX
American Model #501 Tank Car CPC Intl
American Model #SC6-5T 5 Unit Spine Car UTTX

Showcase Line #00146 Boxcar Pacific Electric
Showcase Line #00147 Boxcar Wabash
Showcase Line #00091 PS-2 Hopper Southern Pacific
Showcase Line #00499 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex
Showcase Line #00498 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex
Showcase Line #00754 Stock Car ATSF
Showcase Line #00482 Reefer ATSF
Showcase Line #00481 Reefer ATSF
Showcase Line #00218 Caboose Burlington North.

Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14061S Tank Car UTLX
Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14011S Tank Car SHPX

Pacific Rail Shops #B-402 40' Box Car Southern Pacific
Pacific Rail Shops #503 40' Dbl Door Boxcar Western Pacific

Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-305 Tank Car GATX
Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-454S Tank Car Santa Fe

S Scale Locomotives

Showcase Line #00101 SW-9 Burlington North.
Showcase Line #00455 SW-1 Southern Pacific
American Model #DXF713ABPW F7-AB D&RGW
American Model #S1224 S-12 Southern Pacific
American Model #SD6025M SD-60 BNSF
American Model #E808ADCS E-8 U.P E-8 A unit

Please let me know if you have any questions or would like more pictures.

Thanks,
Doug






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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/4/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59978 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Hi Dave and All,

I have no need for any decals, as I am using the yellow color for siding telephone booths.

I was just curious if any one had anything on their layouts with this line, as I see it shut down in the 60s' or 50's like many other lines.

I never heard of it, as I am not a big RR buff like many of you, but was curious.

I see that MTH in O made some engines and cars.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wisconsin Central



Mike,
We have decals for Wisconsin Central at our web site and can produce almost any decal for that road if a client wants.
For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Fri, 4/2/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Wisconsin Central
To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 8:42 PM



Okay, who on these list have anything from Wisconsin Central RR!?

I just receive their yellow paint for some other project I am working on.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59979 From: Doug and Cathy Mowatt Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Hi Joe,
I'm asking 50% of original retail.  Most cars retailed for around $50, so I'm asking $25 and the engines ranged from $140 to $230, so I'm asking $70 to $115.
I have sold several cars today, so I have to update the list this evening after I finish some other projects.
thanks for looking,Doug

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> wrote:

From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 6:00 PM
















 









Hi,

Price list please.



Joe Haughney



_____



From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf

Of Doug and Cathy

Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:51 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale



Hi there, about 10 years ago I inherited my dads S scale items and they've

been sitting in my closet since. I am sticking to H.O scale and I'm really

looking to find a good home for my dads S scale items.



Most have only been out of the boxes to take the photos of.



Pictures of the items can be seen here:



http://www.goldenst <http://www.goldenst arphoto.com/ Other/S-Scale- for>

arphoto.com/ Other/S-Scale- for sale/11476431_ cBJ5e#807345732_ sBh7N (copy and

paste in your browser)



The description is as below:



S Scale Rolling Stock



Manufacturer Type of Car Road Name

American Model #501 40' Box Railbox

American Model #117 40' Box Southern Pacific

American Model #1502 50' Box Evergreen

American Model #3301 Covered Hopper A.D.M.

American Model #7711 Bay Window Cab. Southern Pacific

American Model #6020 46' Flatcar Southern Pacific

American Model #3312 Covered Hopper ATSF

American Model #7524A Caboose Southern Pacific

American Model #502 Tank Car GATX

American Model #501 Tank Car CPC Intl

American Model #SC6-5T 5 Unit Spine Car UTTX



Showcase Line #00146 Boxcar Pacific Electric

Showcase Line #00147 Boxcar Wabash

Showcase Line #00091 PS-2 Hopper Southern Pacific

Showcase Line #00499 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex

Showcase Line #00498 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex

Showcase Line #00754 Stock Car ATSF

Showcase Line #00482 Reefer ATSF

Showcase Line #00481 Reefer ATSF

Showcase Line #00218 Caboose Burlington North.



Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14061S Tank Car UTLX

Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14011S Tank Car SHPX



Pacific Rail Shops #B-402 40' Box Car Southern Pacific

Pacific Rail Shops #503 40' Dbl Door Boxcar Western Pacific



Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-305 Tank Car GATX

Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-454S Tank Car Santa Fe



S Scale Locomotives



Showcase Line #00101 SW-9 Burlington North.

Showcase Line #00455 SW-1 Southern Pacific

American Model #DXF713ABPW F7-AB D&RGW

American Model #S1224 S-12 Southern Pacific

American Model #SD6025M SD-60 BNSF

American Model #E808ADCS E-8 U.P E-8 A unit



Please let me know if you have any questions or would like more pictures.



Thanks,

Doug



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59980 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: AF is not dead on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260575321427&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59981 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Diesel repair
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions on someone to clean & lubricate a non running A.F. diesel. I ended up finding someone locally to do the repair. Hope it turns out well. Thanks for your assistance in the matter.

I do have another question though, have anyone tried the Dallee electronic reverse units? Does this really harm the value of an orginal A.F. diesel (Northern Pacific) if you convert it?

Thanks,

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 59982 From: Bruce Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Tough car to find, Mike. Keep trying. They're out there.

Bruce



From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:52 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260575321427&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59983 From: darryl Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to re-sell guys would go away. Darryl 

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM


 



http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59984 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
I was just curious if any one had anything on their layouts with this line,
as I see it shut down in the 60s' or 50's like many other lines. - - - - I
never heard of it, as I am not a big RR buff like many of you . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
The "Wisconsin Central" has been the name of several railroads throughout
history. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Central

The most recent was well-known to midwest rail-fans and modellers. It was
created in 1987 out of track sold off by the Soo Line Railroad in
Wisconsin. There was a series or complex acquisitions that gave it track in
Michigan's Upper Peninsula and the Algoma Central in Ontario. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Central_Ltd for details. It was
bought by CN in 2001. .

Bill Daymo, once a big S retailer, had American Models do an exclusive run
of Wisconsin Central GP35s. I think I also remember covered hoppers in S,
PRS or SHS, or maybe both.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 59985 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Diesel repair
In a message dated 4/4/2010 12:12:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ruth.leahy@... writes:

I do have another question though, have anyone tried the Dallee electronic
reverse units? Does this really harm the value of an orginal A.F. diesel
(Northern Pacific) if you convert it?

I can't sasy it will or will not harm the resale value, BUT, the loco will
function MUCH better.

Jim Lyle


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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/4/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 59987 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Thanks Tom, as I will read your link.

So, I have a building with the one of two colors of the WI Central on the layout. Now my layout is really fashionable . Just kidding.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wisconsin Central



----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
I was just curious if any one had anything on their layouts with this line,
as I see it shut down in the 60s' or 50's like many other lines. - - - - I
never heard of it, as I am not a big RR buff like many of you . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
The "Wisconsin Central" has been the name of several railroads throughout
history. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Central

The most recent was well-known to midwest rail-fans and modellers. It was
created in 1987 out of track sold off by the Soo Line Railroad in
Wisconsin. There was a series or complex acquisitions that gave it track in
Michigan's Upper Peninsula and the Algoma Central in Ontario. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Central_Ltd for details. It was
bought by CN in 2001. .

Bill Daymo, once a big S retailer, had American Models do an exclusive run
of Wisconsin Central GP35s. I think I also remember covered hoppers in S,
PRS or SHS, or maybe both.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan





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Group: S-Trains Message: 59988 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: 586 Wayside Station
I recently purchased a 586 wayside station w/ original box and noticed that all the Greenbergs books and price guides and the TM illustrated books don't list a 586 wayside station , only a 586F . The side of the box clearly has an old American Flyer label on it with 586 and no F . Anyone have any info. on this ? Tx. Andy
Group: S-Trains Message: 59989 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Milw Rd
Hi to all,  I am looking for pictures for Milw. Rd.   F units with early freight paint schemes from the late 1940s to early 1950s. I need good head on and broadside shots. Can anybody guide me to locate these? I would be happy to even with accurate paint on models of these preferably F7s. Thanks for any help.  
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 59990 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Thanks Bruce, as I gather the guide book on this one is a bit off. LOL

Okay, next time 200. LOL

Maybe I will find one at York, as last York I was not looking for this car. It goes with the 21145 engine set. I need that car and one more lumber car to go with it. All done then.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59991 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?

If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.

I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: darryl
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to re-sell guys would go away. Darryl

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM



http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59992 From: Ben Serzo Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Hi Doug,

I'm interested in some of your cars, I was wondering if you can send me an updated list. I've been on your web site and it still has all the cars listed.

Thanks for your help,
Ben Serzo
Bensguage on yahoo groups
(215)491-1456

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: goldenstarphoto@...
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:49:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale




























Hi Joe,

I'm asking 50% of original retail. Most cars retailed for around $50, so I'm asking $25 and the engines ranged from $140 to $230, so I'm asking $70 to $115.

I have sold several cars today, so I have to update the list this evening after I finish some other projects.

thanks for looking,Doug



--- On Sat, 4/3/10, Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> wrote:



From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 6:00 PM







Hi,



Price list please.



Joe Haughney



_____



From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf



Of Doug and Cathy



Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:51 AM



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale



Hi there, about 10 years ago I inherited my dads S scale items and they've



been sitting in my closet since. I am sticking to H.O scale and I'm really



looking to find a good home for my dads S scale items.



Most have only been out of the boxes to take the photos of.



Pictures of the items can be seen here:



http://www.goldenst <http://www.goldenst arphoto.com/ Other/S-Scale- for>



arphoto.com/ Other/S-Scale- for sale/11476431_ cBJ5e#807345732_ sBh7N (copy and



paste in your browser)



The description is as below:



S Scale Rolling Stock



Manufacturer Type of Car Road Name



American Model #501 40' Box Railbox



American Model #117 40' Box Southern Pacific



American Model #1502 50' Box Evergreen



American Model #3301 Covered Hopper A.D.M.



American Model #7711 Bay Window Cab. Southern Pacific



American Model #6020 46' Flatcar Southern Pacific



American Model #3312 Covered Hopper ATSF



American Model #7524A Caboose Southern Pacific



American Model #502 Tank Car GATX



American Model #501 Tank Car CPC Intl



American Model #SC6-5T 5 Unit Spine Car UTTX



Showcase Line #00146 Boxcar Pacific Electric



Showcase Line #00147 Boxcar Wabash



Showcase Line #00091 PS-2 Hopper Southern Pacific



Showcase Line #00499 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex



Showcase Line #00498 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex



Showcase Line #00754 Stock Car ATSF



Showcase Line #00482 Reefer ATSF



Showcase Line #00481 Reefer ATSF



Showcase Line #00218 Caboose Burlington North.



Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14061S Tank Car UTLX



Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14011S Tank Car SHPX



Pacific Rail Shops #B-402 40' Box Car Southern Pacific



Pacific Rail Shops #503 40' Dbl Door Boxcar Western Pacific



Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-305 Tank Car GATX



Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-454S Tank Car Santa Fe



S Scale Locomotives



Showcase Line #00101 SW-9 Burlington North.



Showcase Line #00455 SW-1 Southern Pacific



American Model #DXF713ABPW F7-AB D&RGW



American Model #S1224 S-12 Southern Pacific



American Model #SD6025M SD-60 BNSF



American Model #E808ADCS E-8 U.P E-8 A unit



Please let me know if you have any questions or would like more pictures.



Thanks,



Doug



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59993 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Well, since I did not win that car for 125.00 I think I will buy that 8 pack of sealed Root Beer Fizzies on ebay. LOL

Root Beer was my favorite flavor, so heck with the SF 24003 Box car. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



Thanks Bruce, as I gather the guide book on this one is a bit off. LOL

Okay, next time 200. LOL

Maybe I will find one at York, as last York I was not looking for this car. It goes with the 21145 engine set. I need that car and one more lumber car to go with it. All done then.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59994 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
At some time most of us become resellers. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 4/4/2010 3:02:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?

If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.

I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: darryl
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to
re-sell guys would go away. Darryl

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._
(mailto:mlmarmer@...) > wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._
(mailto:mlmarmer@...) >
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: "S trains" <_s-trains@yahoogroups-tra_
(mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM

_http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem&
item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is
probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM
book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN
condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is
great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59995 From: Doug and Cathy Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
UPDATED LIST

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug and Cathy" <goldenstarphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there, about 10 years ago I inherited my dads S scale items and they've been sitting in my closet since. I am sticking to H.O scale and I'm really looking to find a good home for my dads S scale items.
>
> Most have only been out of the boxes to take the photos of.
>
> Pictures of the items can be seen here:
>
> http://www.goldenstarphoto.com/Other/S-Scale-for sale/11476431_cBJ5e#807345732_sBh7N (copy and paste in your browser)
>
> The description is as below:
>
> S Scale Rolling Stock
>
>
> Manufacturer Type of Car Road Name
> American Model #501 40' Box Railbox
> American Model #117 40' Box Southern Pacific
> American Model #1502 50' Box Evergreen
> American Model #3301 Covered Hopper A.D.M.
> American Model #7711 Bay Window Cab. Southern Pacific

> American Model #3312 Covered Hopper ATSF
> American Model #7524A Caboose Southern Pacific
> American Model #502 Tank Car GATX
> American Model #501 Tank Car CPC Intl
> Showcase Line #00146 Boxcar Pacific Electric
> Showcase Line #00218 Caboose Burlington North.

> Pacific Rail Shops #B-402 40' Box Car Southern Pacific
> Pacific Rail Shops #503 40' Dbl Door Boxcar Western Pacific
>
> S Scale Locomotives
>

> American Model #DXF713ABPW F7-AB D&RGW
> American Model #S1224 S-12 Southern Pacific

> Please let me know if you have any questions or would like more pictures.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 59996 From: Doug and Cathy Mowatt Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: S Scale for Sale
Hi Ben, 
Here is the updated list I just posted on the Yahoo group.
UPDATED LIST




> S Scale Rolling Stock


> Manufacturer Type of Car Road Name
> American Model #501 40' Box Railbox
> American Model #117 40' Box Southern Pacific
> American Model #1502 50' Box Evergreen
> American Model #3301 Covered Hopper A.D.M.
> American Model #7711 Bay Window Cab. Southern Pacific

> American Model #3312 Covered Hopper ATSF
> American Model #7524A Caboose Southern Pacific
> American Model #502 Tank Car GATX
> American Model #501 Tank Car CPC Intl
> Showcase Line #00146 Boxcar Pacific Electric
> Showcase Line #00218 Caboose Burlington North.

> Pacific Rail Shops #B-402 40' Box Car Southern Pacific
> Pacific Rail Shops #503 40' Dbl Door Boxcar Western Pacific 

> S Scale Locomotives


> American Model #DXF713ABPW F7-AB D&RGW
> American Model #S1224 S-12 Southern Pacific

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, Ben Serzo <bpserzo@...> wrote:

From: Ben Serzo <bpserzo@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 11:09 PM
















 











Hi Doug,



I'm interested in some of your cars, I was wondering if you can send me an updated list. I've been on your web site and it still has all the cars listed.



Thanks for your help,

Ben Serzo

Bensguage on yahoo groups

(215)491-1456



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

From: goldenstarphoto@ yahoo.com

Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:49:49 -0700

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale



Hi Joe,



I'm asking 50% of original retail. Most cars retailed for around $50, so I'm asking $25 and the engines ranged from $140 to $230, so I'm asking $70 to $115.



I have sold several cars today, so I have to update the list this evening after I finish some other projects.



thanks for looking,Doug



--- On Sat, 4/3/10, Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@ verizon.net> wrote:



From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@ verizon.net>



Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 6:00 PM



Hi,



Price list please.



Joe Haughney



_____



From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf



Of Doug and Cathy



Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:51 AM



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com



Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale for Sale



Hi there, about 10 years ago I inherited my dads S scale items and they've



been sitting in my closet since. I am sticking to H.O scale and I'm really



looking to find a good home for my dads S scale items.



Most have only been out of the boxes to take the photos of.



Pictures of the items can be seen here:



http://www.goldenst <http://www.goldenst arphoto.com/ Other/S-Scale- for>



arphoto.com/ Other/S-Scale- for sale/11476431_ cBJ5e#807345732_ sBh7N (copy and



paste in your browser)



The description is as below:



S Scale Rolling Stock



Manufacturer Type of Car Road Name



American Model #501 40' Box Railbox



American Model #117 40' Box Southern Pacific



American Model #1502 50' Box Evergreen



American Model #3301 Covered Hopper A.D.M.



American Model #7711 Bay Window Cab. Southern Pacific



American Model #6020 46' Flatcar Southern Pacific



American Model #3312 Covered Hopper ATSF



American Model #7524A Caboose Southern Pacific



American Model #502 Tank Car GATX



American Model #501 Tank Car CPC Intl



American Model #SC6-5T 5 Unit Spine Car UTTX



Showcase Line #00146 Boxcar Pacific Electric



Showcase Line #00147 Boxcar Wabash



Showcase Line #00091 PS-2 Hopper Southern Pacific



Showcase Line #00499 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex



Showcase Line #00498 Reefer Pacific Fruit Ex



Showcase Line #00754 Stock Car ATSF



Showcase Line #00482 Reefer ATSF



Showcase Line #00481 Reefer ATSF



Showcase Line #00218 Caboose Burlington North.



Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14061S Tank Car UTLX



Des Plaines Hobbies #DPS14011S Tank Car SHPX



Pacific Rail Shops #B-402 40' Box Car Southern Pacific



Pacific Rail Shops #503 40' Dbl Door Boxcar Western Pacific



Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-305 Tank Car GATX



Downs Model Railroad Co #TC-454S Tank Car Santa Fe



S Scale Locomotives



Showcase Line #00101 SW-9 Burlington North.



Showcase Line #00455 SW-1 Southern Pacific



American Model #DXF713ABPW F7-AB D&RGW



American Model #S1224 S-12 Southern Pacific



American Model #SD6025M SD-60 BNSF



American Model #E808ADCS E-8 U.P E-8 A unit



Please let me know if you have any questions or would like more pictures.



Thanks,



Doug



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Group: S-Trains Message: 59997 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Mike,
     We are thinking of doing a reproduction #24003 using our decals. Anyone interested in the car or decal set please contact us OFF GROUP.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 6:39 PM


 



Well, since I did not win that car for 125.00 I think I will buy that 8 pack of sealed Root Beer Fizzies on ebay. LOL

Root Beer was my favorite flavor, so heck with the SF 24003 Box car. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

Thanks Bruce, as I gather the guide book on this one is a bit off. LOL

Okay, next time 200. LOL

Maybe I will find one at York, as last York I was not looking for this car. It goes with the 21145 engine set. I need that car and one more lumber car to go with it. All done then.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 59998 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
The 586 Wayside Station in the Pre War days did not have the cart and the figures. In the Post War Era Gilbert added the figures and the cart and followed the 586 number with an F.  If you have this station boxed without the figures it is a 586.  If you have the figures that you have a 586F.  Greenbergs guide usually list post war "S" Gauge.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, sgaugeandy <sgaugeandy@...> wrote:

From: sgaugeandy <sgaugeandy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 586 Wayside Station
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 5:40 PM







 









I recently purchased a 586 wayside station w/ original box and noticed that all the Greenbergs books and price guides and the TM illustrated books don't list a 586 wayside station , only a 586F . The side of the box clearly has an old American Flyer label on it with 586 and no F . Anyone have any info. on this ? Tx. Andy

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 59999 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Dear Tom,
We did a WC two bay PS2 covered hopper.
Don

On Apr 4, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Tom Hawley wrote:
> . I think I also remember covered hoppers in S,
> PRS or SHS, or maybe both.
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60000 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Hi Mike,
� When you go to York, try some of the larger sellers. Harwood Owings, John Heck, Mike Farner, Frankie Merson, John Vanacore, Gary Clark and there are some others I may be forgetting.  These guys are top sellers and you may find this Santa Fe Box Car and the crane you missed before on EBay.  Many of these sellers do not do business on EBay.  If you can't find it at York, you're going to have a problem getting these.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:42 PM







 









Thanks Bruce, as I gather the guide book on this one is a bit off. LOL



Okay, next time 200. LOL



Maybe I will find one at York, as last York I was not looking for this car. It goes with the 21145 engine set. I need that car and one more lumber car to go with it. All done then.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60001 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Mike,

that is true, but I do not understand why Doug wrote maybe it will keep the resellers away, as to my thinking, those who sell right away, etc.

So?

More power to some one who beat me on a bit, as what they do with their winnings is none of my business or anyone's.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



At some time most of us become resellers. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 4/4/2010 3:02:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?

If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.

I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: darryl
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to
re-sell guys would go away. Darryl

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._
(mailto:mlmarmer@...) > wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._
(mailto:mlmarmer@...) >
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: "S trains" <_s-trains@yahoogroups-tra_
(mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM

_http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem&
item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is
probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM
book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN
condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is
great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60002 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Hi Mike,
� You may want to consider that the person who outbid you may have been trying to complete the same set you are try8ng to complete.   If you can't find the cars you need at York.  I'll get you the phone numbers of the American Flyer sellers.
� Tom Seccia
--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:43 PM







 









You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?



If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.



I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: darryl

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to re-sell guys would go away. Darryl



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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>

Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM



http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123



I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.



I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL



Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.



No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60003 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
PRS produced Wisconsin Central hoppers and also boxcars. I would love
to get my hands on the GP35 but it was unavailable when I tried to get
one. I remember in the eighties seeing the Wisconsin Central cars lined
up in the railyards along Highway 41 west of Lake Winnebago and also in
Green Bay as we traveled up to Door County (Wisconsin's "thumb") to
vacation in the summer. It was a profitable line and that was it's
undoing because it because a takeover target because of it's
profitability. Ironic, isn't it?

Tom Detmer

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> never heard of it, as I am not a big RR buff like many of you . . . .
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> The "Wisconsin Central" has been the name of several railroads throughout
> history. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Central
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> The most recent was well-known to midwest rail-fans and modellers. It was
> created in 1987 out of track sold off by the Soo Line Railroad in
> Wisconsin. There was a series or complex acquisitions that gave it
> track in
> Michigan's Upper Peninsula and the Algoma Central in Ontario. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Central_Ltd
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Central_Ltd> for details. It was
> bought by CN in 2001. .
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60004 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
According to Doyle's book, a 586 was made from 1939-1942.  TM and Greenberg deal only with post-war Flyer.



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From: sgaugeandy <sgaugeandy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 586 Wayside Station
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 2:40 PM







 









I recently purchased a 586 wayside station w/ original box and noticed that all the Greenbergs books and price guides and the TM illustrated books don't list a 586 wayside station , only a 586F . The side of the box clearly has an old American Flyer label on it with 586 and no F . Anyone have any info. on this ? Tx. Andy

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60005 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Great to hear about things made under the Wisconsin Central logo.

I got a blue paint also, I can not remember what line it was for. I will check and start a thread with that. Probably another short line. But not being used on a car.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60006 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Hi Tom,

Thanks, as two people came in with bids at the last second or so over my max bid of 125, as I did not think 125 was really needed by me. Wrong. LOL

Thanks for letting me know about some sellers if I can not find it at York, as it is not that critical in my life to find it. LOL

Mike
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From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



Hi Mike,
� You may want to consider that the person who outbid you may have been trying to complete the same set you are try8ng to complete. If you can't find the cars you need at York. I'll get you the phone numbers of the American Flyer sellers.
� Tom Seccia
--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:43 PM



You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?

If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.

I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: darryl

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to re-sell guys would go away. Darryl

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>

Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM

http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60007 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Hi Tom,

Yes, I know them all.

My collection is from all of the people you mentioned.

I will let you all know what happens.

Funny how times at York you have a list of things you are looking for but end up with other things instead. Which is fine.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



Hi Mike,
� When you go to York, try some of the larger sellers. Harwood Owings, John Heck, Mike Farner, Frankie Merson, John Vanacore, Gary Clark and there are some others I may be forgetting. These guys are top sellers and you may find this Santa Fe Box Car and the crane you missed before on EBay. Many of these sellers do not do business on EBay. If you can't find it at York, you're going to have a problem getting these.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:42 PM



Thanks Bruce, as I gather the guide book on this one is a bit off. LOL

Okay, next time 200. LOL

Maybe I will find one at York, as last York I was not looking for this car. It goes with the 21145 engine set. I need that car and one more lumber car to go with it. All done then.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60008 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
This one has a black porter on the cart with cast metal wheels and another black porter carrying a bag ?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
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> The 586 Wayside Station in the Pre War days did not have the cart and the figures. In the Post War Era Gilbert added the figures and the cart and followed the 586 number with an F.  If you have this station boxed without the figures it is a 586.  If you have the figures that you have a 586F.  Greenbergs guide usually list post war "S" Gauge.
> Tom Seccia
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60009 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Hi Mike,
� I mentioned those people because I know most of them over twenty years.  I've set up next to them at shows.  If you bought from them, I'm sure you have some good deals.  I hate seeing you getting beat on Ebay.  I still buy trains, if I run into that car, I'll drop you an email.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 10:43 PM







 









Hi Tom,



Yes, I know them all.



My collection is from all of the people you mentioned.



I will let you all know what happens.



Funny how times at York you have a list of things you are looking for but end up with other things instead. Which is fine.



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:33 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



Hi Mike,

� When you go to York, try some of the larger sellers. Harwood Owings, John Heck, Mike Farner, Frankie Merson, John Vanacore, Gary Clark and there are some others I may be forgetting. These guys are top sellers and you may find this Santa Fe Box Car and the crane you missed before on EBay. Many of these sellers do not do business on EBay. If you can't find it at York, you're going to have a problem getting these.

Tom Seccia



--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:



From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:42 PM



Thanks Bruce, as I gather the guide book on this one is a bit off. LOL



Okay, next time 200. LOL



Maybe I will find one at York, as last York I was not looking for this car. It goes with the 21145 engine set. I need that car and one more lumber car to go with it. All done then.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60010 From: Mike Vana Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Wisconsin Central
The Wisconsin Central name was used twice for a railroad.

This is probably more than you wanted to know, and done
from memory, but hopefully you will find it interesting...

The first Wisconsin Central became part of the Soo Line.
The name dates probably from the late 1800's, and it
became a subsidiary of the Soo at least during the later
steam days and early diesel days. Soo diesels in the 2000
series were considered WC units. Most of the old Soo in
Wisconsin was the WC. The other component of the Soo
was the Minneapolis, St. Paul and Sault Ste. Marie
(MSP&SSM). Together both parts of the Soo Line served
Illinois north from Chicago into Wisconsin, much of
Wisconsin except the southwest part of it, the upper
peninsula of Michigan, and Minnesota and North Dakota,
with branches into northern South Dakota and eastern Montana.

In 1961, the modern Soo was formed when the Duluth
South Shore & Atlantic was merged in the system, and if I
recall correctly, that's when the WC disappeared, along with
the identities of the other lines, too.

In or around 1985 the Soo acquired the Milwaukee Road.
Having two lines to many of the same places, the Soo first
created a Lake States subsidiary for the lines they didn't
care so much about, then in 1987, the second Wisconsin
Central was born when the Soo spun off those lines - nearly
all of its old lines in Wisconsin, all of the upper Michigan lines,
the old Soo main line from Chicago to Minneapolis, and
some of the former Milwaukee trackage in Wisconsin as well.

The new WC was a colorful and innovative railroad, and
virtually anything WC you find is from the new railroad.
They acquired the Green Bay & Western and Fox River
Valley (a spinoff of CNW lines in eastern Wisconsin) in 1993,
and the Algoma Central Railway that ran from Sault Ste.
Marie, Ontario to Hearst in 1995.

Ther leader of the new WC was a former CNW man named
Ed Burkhardt. In a surprise move, he was ousted from the
railroad in a board meeting in the late 1990's. The WC
went on to abandon a several line segments, then was
acquired in 2001 by the Canadian National. You can still
find some of their equipment , maroon and yellow diesels,
and freight cars painted in maroon with yellow lettering,
or gray with red lettering, but it's starting to get scarce.

I hope this helps.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 60011 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Hi Tom,

Again, thanks for mentioning them, as there are some other dealers at York for AF who names I do not remember. Plus, it might be a hit or miss elsewhere at York.

Thanks for looking out for me on this, as I appreciate it.

For a car that is suppose to be a 2 in the TM book, it is really a tough one to find as Bruce said it was. O:)! Makes it more fun then.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



Hi Mike,
� I mentioned those people because I know most of them over twenty years. I've set up next to them at shows. If you bought from them, I'm sure you have some good deals. I hate seeing you getting beat on Ebay. I still buy trains, if I run into that car, I'll drop you an email.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 10:43 PM



Hi Tom,

Yes, I know them all.

My collection is from all of the people you mentioned.

I will let you all know what happens.

Funny how times at York you have a list of things you are looking for but end up with other things instead. Which is fine.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:33 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

Hi Mike,

� When you go to York, try some of the larger sellers. Harwood Owings, John Heck, Mike Farner, Frankie Merson, John Vanacore, Gary Clark and there are some others I may be forgetting. These guys are top sellers and you may find this Santa Fe Box Car and the crane you missed before on EBay. Many of these sellers do not do business on EBay. If you can't find it at York, you're going to have a problem getting these.

Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:42 PM

Thanks Bruce, as I gather the guide book on this one is a bit off. LOL

Okay, next time 200. LOL

Maybe I will find one at York, as last York I was not looking for this car. It goes with the 21145 engine set. I need that car and one more lumber car to go with it. All done then.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60012 From: Scott Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Adding Pullmor
Hey,
I recently purchased a 322 with severe traction problems. The locomotive cannot pull good rolling cars over a small dip in the track. While it is still to be determined if there is something wrong with the drive train, I was wondering if it is possible to add pullmor tires to a locomotive that doesn't have them?

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 60013 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Lookout Junction III - S Gauge Layout
I received the latest Dispatch in the mail Saturday and read about the
Lookout Junction III S gauge layout.

It says this layout has won "best of show" award at the Pacific Northwest
Region NMRA convention. It also mentions that the layout has won the
People's Choice Award in everty year it has been entered, though I am not sure
whether this relates to the NMRA or the NTS or whatever.

The description says the layout has double crossings, crossovers, two wyes,
an 8 stall roundhouse, many loops of track, and a fiddle yard all within a
footprint of 22' by 26'. This is a layout of the Rocky Mountain
Hi-Railers of Boise, Idaho. Though highrail, it sounds like a layout that would
be designed by scale oriented modelers. I wonder if there are any U-tube
videos of this layout?

- Earl Henry, Nashville.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60014 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
The porter with 2 bags was always a black man.  The cart man was usually a white man, but there are some rare versions with a black cart man.  There are also some rare versions of the cart with plastic wheels.  I never heard of a version of the cart with die cast metal wheels.
� Tom Seccia

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From: sgaugeandy <sgaugeandy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 586 Wayside Station
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 3:49 AM







 









This one has a black porter on the cart with cast metal wheels and another black porter carrying a bag ?



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> The 586 Wayside Station in the Pre War days did not have the cart and the figures. In the Post War Era Gilbert added the figures and the cart and followed the 586 number with an F. If you have this station boxed without the figures it is a 586. If you have the figures that you have a 586F. Greenbergs guide usually list post war "S" Gauge.

> Tom Seccia

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> Subject: [S-Trains] 586 Wayside Station

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60015 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Scott,

I have seen replacement wheels with pull-mor bands at Portlines website. These would involve pulling the rear wheels and getting the new ones aligned properly. There used to be thin bands you could glue to the rims but I have not seen these available in a while.

I have had some luck using Bullfrog Snot to make traction tires. It takes some practice to get a good even coating but after a couple of tries you can make a pretty good tire. I used it on a 282 that can now start a 10 AF car on a 2% grade with curves. Before adding traction tires it would start spinning its wheels 1/3 of the way up even with a good running start.

All of my Hudsons are pretty good pullers, including a 322 and K325 without pullmor. As always, be sure the wheels and track are good and clean. Maybe check that the tires are not slipping on the wheels or wheels are slipping on the axles?

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <millesco@...> wrote:
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> Hey,
> I recently purchased a 322 with severe traction problems. The locomotive cannot pull good rolling cars over a small dip in the track. While it is still to be determined if there is something wrong with the drive train, I was wondering if it is possible to add pullmor tires to a locomotive that doesn't have them?
>
> Scott
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60016 From: Miller, Scott Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Thanks. The engine stalls, doesn't slip, so we think that my locomotive may have a problem unless the wheels just don't have enough torque. Once again, thanks for all the help.

Scott

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com on behalf of tbennerohio
Sent: Mon 4/5/2010 1:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding Pullmor




Scott,

I have seen replacement wheels with pull-mor bands at Portlines website. These would involve pulling the rear wheels and getting the new ones aligned properly. There used to be thin bands you could glue to the rims but I have not seen these available in a while.

I have had some luck using Bullfrog Snot to make traction tires. It takes some practice to get a good even coating but after a couple of tries you can make a pretty good tire. I used it on a 282 that can now start a 10 AF car on a 2% grade with curves. Before adding traction tires it would start spinning its wheels 1/3 of the way up even with a good running start.

All of my Hudsons are pretty good pullers, including a 322 and K325 without pullmor. As always, be sure the wheels and track are good and clean. Maybe check that the tires are not slipping on the wheels or wheels are slipping on the axles?

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Scott" <millesco@...> wrote:
>
> Hey,
> I recently purchased a 322 with severe traction problems. The locomotive cannot pull good rolling cars over a small dip in the track. While it is still to be determined if there is something wrong with the drive train, I was wondering if it is possible to add pullmor tires to a locomotive that doesn't have them?
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> Scott
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60017 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central
Hi Mike.

thanks for the information as it is great to learn about rail lines. I am not a buff on Railroad History, how railroads run, etc., like many of you, so I thought it would be neat to ask about the RR that is for the paint I am using.

The other color I got as they are both Floquil, is just a Light Blue, no railroad involve, as I know they had Chessie Blue, etc.

Again, these are for a concrete telephone booth, as I learned on the S scale list, they where used on sidings before modern communications.

http://www.kcmuseum.org/stories/storyReader$271

This is very similar to what I am painting, as it only has one plane of glass on the top of the door, that is where the blue is. The rest of the door is the yellow, as the body is concrete, the door will have white trim with black for hinges and red for the door handle.

I have learned that there are many variations of these by different RRs.
http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=61139&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0

Some ruins of the same type. Scroll down the picture of the two for one in the woods.

Mike

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From: Mike Vana
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:15 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Wisconsin Central



The Wisconsin Central name was used twice for a railroad.

This is probably more than you wanted to know, and done
from memory, but hopefully you will find it interesting...

The first Wisconsin Central became part of the Soo Line.
The name dates probably from the late 1800's, and it
became a subsidiary of the Soo at least during the later
steam days and early diesel days. Soo diesels in the 2000
series were considered WC units. Most of the old Soo in
Wisconsin was the WC. The other component of the Soo
was the Minneapolis, St. Paul and Sault Ste. Marie
(MSP&SSM). Together both parts of the Soo Line served
Illinois north from Chicago into Wisconsin, much of
Wisconsin except the southwest part of it, the upper
peninsula of Michigan, and Minnesota and North Dakota,
with branches into northern South Dakota and eastern Montana.

In 1961, the modern Soo was formed when the Duluth
South Shore & Atlantic was merged in the system, and if I
recall correctly, that's when the WC disappeared, along with
the identities of the other lines, too.

In or around 1985 the Soo acquired the Milwaukee Road.
Having two lines to many of the same places, the Soo first
created a Lake States subsidiary for the lines they didn't
care so much about, then in 1987, the second Wisconsin
Central was born when the Soo spun off those lines - nearly
all of its old lines in Wisconsin, all of the upper Michigan lines,
the old Soo main line from Chicago to Minneapolis, and
some of the former Milwaukee trackage in Wisconsin as well.

The new WC was a colorful and innovative railroad, and
virtually anything WC you find is from the new railroad.
They acquired the Green Bay & Western and Fox River
Valley (a spinoff of CNW lines in eastern Wisconsin) in 1993,
and the Algoma Central Railway that ran from Sault Ste.
Marie, Ontario to Hearst in 1995.

Ther leader of the new WC was a former CNW man named
Ed Burkhardt. In a surprise move, he was ousted from the
railroad in a board meeting in the late 1990's. The WC
went on to abandon a several line segments, then was
acquired in 2001 by the Canadian National. You can still
find some of their equipment , maroon and yellow diesels,
and freight cars painted in maroon with yellow lettering,
or gray with red lettering, but it's starting to get scarce.

I hope this helps.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60018 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: CP Dual Flag Decals
Does anyone know of a source for CP Dual Flag logo decals? I see that
Microscale has them in HO. I don't see them on Oddballs or LBR.



Bill



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60019 From: rick gough Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Send it out here, I'll make it hummmm!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: Miller, Scott <millesco@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Adding Pullmor
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 3:56 PM


 



Thanks. The engine stalls, doesn't slip, so we think that my locomotive may have a problem unless the wheels just don't have enough torque. Once again, thanks for all the help.

Scott

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com on behalf of tbennerohio
Sent: Mon 4/5/2010 1:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding Pullmor

Scott,

I have seen replacement wheels with pull-mor bands at Portlines website. These would involve pulling the rear wheels and getting the new ones aligned properly. There used to be thin bands you could glue to the rims but I have not seen these available in a while.

I have had some luck using Bullfrog Snot to make traction tires. It takes some practice to get a good even coating but after a couple of tries you can make a pretty good tire. I used it on a 282 that can now start a 10 AF car on a 2% grade with curves. Before adding traction tires it would start spinning its wheels 1/3 of the way up even with a good running start.

All of my Hudsons are pretty good pullers, including a 322 and K325 without pullmor. As always, be sure the wheels and track are good and clean. Maybe check that the tires are not slipping on the wheels or wheels are slipping on the axles?

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> , "Scott" <millesco@.. .> wrote:
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> Hey,
> I recently purchased a 322 with severe traction problems. The locomotive cannot pull good rolling cars over a small dip in the track. While it is still to be determined if there is something wrong with the drive train, I was wondering if it is possible to add pullmor tires to a locomotive that doesn't have them?
>
> Scott
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60020 From: fahrwud Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction III - S Gauge Layout
Pic of roundhouse here:

http://www.trainweb.org/NarrowGaugeNews/news-depot80th.html

Contact info here:

http://pnr.nmra.org/3div/

D.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> I received the latest Dispatch in the mail Saturday and read about the
> Lookout Junction III S gauge layout.
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> It says this layout has won "best of show" award at the Pacific Northwest
> Region NMRA convention. It also mentions that the layout has won the
> People's Choice Award in everty year it has been entered, though I am not sure
> whether this relates to the NMRA or the NTS or whatever.
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> The description says the layout has double crossings, crossovers, two wyes,
> an 8 stall roundhouse, many loops of track, and a fiddle yard all within a
> footprint of 22' by 26'. This is a layout of the Rocky Mountain
> Hi-Railers of Boise, Idaho. Though highrail, it sounds like a layout that would
> be designed by scale oriented modelers. I wonder if there are any U-tube
> videos of this layout?
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> - Earl Henry, Nashville.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60021 From: fahrwud Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switches
I was recently eyeballing a collection of Gargraves switches on Ebay, which appear to have some sort of pivoting switch-point arrangement; almost a stub switch.
Gargraves' website currently shows different S gauge types that emulate "normal" switch design, with a fixed frog and hinged switch-points.I assume the pivoting stub types are the older design.
Having no experience with either, opinions from this expert panel are requested.

Thanks!
D.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
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> I have had problems with Gargraves switches in the past, some equipment just won't run through them without derailing. They seem to work okay with old Flyer, if the wheelsets are in gauge. They aren't really reliable with anything however. I ended up using Gargraves track but old Flyer switches for a time because of this.
> On the other hand, I know a guy who built his whole layout using them, and it seems to run okay, although he is a master at tweeking things.
> I was working at a hobby shop at the time and tried all the different tracks, eventually getting rid of everything except S Helper Service. I use SHS sectional and flex track and everything seems to work very well on their switches, including scale wheels.
> The rail code is as low as you can go and still accept Flyer wheels, is weathered, and the switches will handle everything I have. My loco and rolling stock fleet is made up of new, old, scratchbuilt, rebuilt junkers, with both hi-rail and scale wheels, from an old Flyer 4-8-4 to a Putt/Rex Docksider 0-4-0, this is a pretty diverse lot.
> I have been told that there was a minor design modification made and Gaegraves switches are better now, but I have no experience with that, having given up on them eight years ago.
> Stumpy Stone...the Appalachia Flyer.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60022 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
Bill,
     Send us a photo and size and we will make them up for you.
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] CP Dual Flag Decals
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:44 PM


 



Does anyone know of a source for CP Dual Flag logo decals? I see that
Microscale has them in HO. I don't see them on Oddballs or LBR.

Bill

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60023 From: Larry Moore Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
I do have a cart with metal wheels, painted red, and a white man. Larry Moore



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:50 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 586 Wayside Station





The porter with 2 bags was always a black man. The cart man was usually a white man, but there are some rare versions with a black cart man. There are also some rare versions of the cart with plastic wheels. I never heard of a version of the cart with die cast metal wheels.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 4/5/10, sgaugeandy <sgaugeandy@... <mailto:sgaugeandy%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: sgaugeandy <sgaugeandy@... <mailto:sgaugeandy%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 586 Wayside Station
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 3:49 AM



This one has a black porter on the cart with cast metal wheels and another black porter carrying a bag ?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote:

>

> The 586 Wayside Station in the Pre War days did not have the cart and the figures. In the Post War Era Gilbert added the figures and the cart and followed the 586 number with an F. If you have this station boxed without the figures it is a 586. If you have the figures that you have a 586F. Greenbergs guide usually list post war "S" Gauge.

> Tom Seccia

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> Subject: [S-Trains] 586 Wayside Station

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60024 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Easily done....
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 04/05/2010 8:36:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
millesco@... writes:




Hey,
I recently purchased a 322 with severe traction problems. The locomotive
cannot pull good rolling cars over a small dip in the track. While it is
still to be determined if there is something wrong with the drive train, I was
wondering if it is possible to add pullmor tires to a locomotive that
doesn't have them?

Scott





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60025 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: 586 Wayside Station
Hi Larry,
The 586F usually comes with metal wheels painted red and a white cart man. These wheels are machine turned metal.  I've never seen a cart with die cast metal wheels.  The carts with the plastic wheels are rare.
Tom Seccia
--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:

From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 586 Wayside Station
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 11:56 PM

 


I do have a cart with metal wheels, painted red, and a white man. Larry Moore



From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:50 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 586 Wayside Station



The porter with 2 bags was always a black man. The cart man was usually a white man, but there are some rare versions with a black cart man. There are also some rare versions of the cart with plastic wheels. I never heard of a version of the cart with die cast metal wheels.

Tom Seccia



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From: sgaugeandy <sgaugeandy@yahoo. com <mailto:sgaugeandy% 40yahoo.com> >

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 586 Wayside Station

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com>

Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 3:49 AM



This one has a black porter on the cart with cast metal wheels and another black porter carrying a bag ?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60026 From: grdobbs Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmor
Re: Adding Pullmor

I have had real good luck using the same neoprene reinforced
material as used on the SNT bellows, cutting strips and super gluing
it to clean drive wheels.

Jerry 77-11644
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60027 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Lookout Junction
In S-Trains Digest Number 4857, Earl Henry wrote about "Lookout Junction III":

>>>
Though highrail, it sounds like a layout that would be designed by scale oriented modelers. I wonder if there are any U-tube videos of this layout?
>>>

Earl,

Thanks for the inquiry about the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers' layout, "Lookout Junction," which will be displayed at the 2011 National Train Show/NASG Convention in Sacramento. While there are no YouTube videos of the layout, our friends from the Golden Spike American Flyer Club shot some photos and videos when we participated in last year's Railshow 2009 in Idaho Falls, Idaho. (The shots are listed under the year "2006," but they were actually taken in October 2009.)

Still photos:
http://www.gsaftc.com/Photos/20091010/20091010-1.html
http://www.gsaftc.com/Photos/20091010/20091010-2.html
http://www.gsaftc.com/Photos/20091010/20091010-3.html
http://www.gsaftc.com/Photos/20091010/20091010-4.html

Videos (4):
http://www.gsaftc.com/Photos/20091010/20091010V.html

This particular version of Lookout Junction is the third generation, and was barely completed in time for the Idaho Falls show last year. We promise that it will be greatly enhanced in time for Sacramento.

The People's Choice Awards referenced were all won by previous layouts (Lookout Junctions I and II) at local NMRA train shows; the Best of Show Award was received at the 2000 regional convention of the Pacific Northwest Region, NMRA. Lookout Junction II was presented at the 2004 National Train Show in Seattle.

We hope that all our S friends will join the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers in Sacramento in July next year.

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise, Idaho
number22@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60028 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
Sadly, all the photos I have seen are at an angle and most obscure part
of the logo. I'll keep looking.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP Dual Flag Decals

Bill,
     Send us a photo and size and we will make them up for you.
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 
Group: S-Trains Message: 60029 From: Todd Thornberry Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: HO & N scale Ghost Sign Decals
Not too long ago businesses and products were promoted or celebrated by advertisements painted on the sides of buildings. Those that remain today are very faded (which gives them the name of 'Ghost Signs'), but they do give one a glimpse back to some of the products and businesses of a bygone period.

T2 Decals is proud to announce that we now have 35 different sets of Ghost Sign waterslide decals available in both HO AND N Scale. Made from pictures of real signs as they appear today, these pre-weathered decals will add a realistic effect to your layout.

Each set is professionally printed and reasonably priced at $3.99/each. And shipping is always free! Please ask about custom orders in other scales.

Check them out by following this link to our ebay store:

http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

Thanks for your time and happy modeling!

Todd Thornberry
T2 Decals


PS: We also have a large selection of Graffiti and Circus Sideshow decals!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60030 From: Alan Udy Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Lookout Junction III video
Videos of Lookout Junction III were taken last October and are available for viewing at the following Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club site.

http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20091010/20091010V.html

Alan Udy
Idaho Falls ID




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60031 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
Bill,
     We now have the CP RAIL dual flag decal at our web site. The CP Rail and dual flags are 3"L x .587"H. All of the text is white and the U.S. part of the flag is blue with white stars. I.
     Follow the link below and it is under the ENGINES section.
 
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
 
     I hope this will be of use to you and others.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations. U.S.A.
--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] CP Dual Flag Decals
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:44 PM


 



Does anyone know of a source for CP Dual Flag logo decals? I see that
Microscale has them in HO. I don't see them on Oddballs or LBR.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60032 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: CP Dual Flag Decals
we have them

--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] CP Dual Flag Decals
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 11:28 AM


 



Sadly, all the photos I have seen are at an angle and most obscure part
of the logo. I'll keep looking.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On
Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP Dual Flag Decals

Bill,
     Send us a photo and size and we will make them up for you.
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60033 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
John,

What version of the layout is shown on the video that was put out by SnS
a few years ago? Also what changes were made made between the
different versions, if that isn't too involved? Thanks.

Dale

JOHN EICHMANN wrote:
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> and was barely completed in time for the Idaho Falls show last year.
> We promise that it will be greatly enhanced in time for Sacramento.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60034 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
That was Lookout Junction #1 and the differences are huge.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 04/06/2010 3:30:58 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dfsmith26@... writes:




John,

What version of the layout is shown on the video that was put out by SnS
a few years ago? Also what changes were made made between the
different versions, if that isn't too involved? Thanks.

Dale

JOHN EICHMANN wrote:
>
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> This particular version of Lookout Junction is the third generation,
> and was barely completed in time for the Idaho Falls show last year.
> We promise that it will be greatly enhanced in time for Sacramento.
>
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>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60035 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Mike,,,,  I have it in my 20460 boxed set.... but didn't it come in another set too???? Kinda a cheap set? Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:43 PM


 



You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?

If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.

I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: darryl
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to re-sell guys would go away. Darryl

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM

http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60036 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Gargraves Switches
I am using several of the old vintage switches. They need to be fastened
rigidly to a board. They require significantly more room. They are smooth
running and handle my recently acquired Big Boy effortlessly.



I installed one of the new shorter vrsion and it works well with hirail
wheels .



I added guard rails to the old long type and they look great.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60037 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
I just looked at the Golden Spike videos and you are certainly right.
Do you plan any more video releases? I already have 7 volumes.

Dale

boss31@... wrote:
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> Steve
> SnS Trains
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> In a message dated 04/06/2010 3:30:58 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net> writes:
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> John,
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> What version of the layout is shown on the video that was put out by SnS
> a few years ago? Also what changes were made made between the
> different versions, if that isn't too involved? Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> JOHN EICHMANN wrote:
> >
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> >
> > This particular version of Lookout Junction is the third generation,
> > and was barely completed in time for the Idaho Falls show last year.
> > We promise that it will be greatly enhanced in time for Sacramento.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60038 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Spring Sale of painted, display or operating samples
We are spring cleaning and releasing some of our painted, display
and/or operating samples. All items have been sold out, some for
several years. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact
us either by e-mail or phone.
Good Luck,
Don

http://www.showcaseline.com/SampleSale3.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 60039 From: navmedguy Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: K-4 Streamilined 4-6-2 problems...
With the above loco on american models' track and switches, I've been
having some traction problems, and not just on my 7% grades either.
(kidding)

Whilst going around some 21 or 22 inch curves or curves with about a 1
or 2% grade, the engine will lose traction, sit, and spin until I nudge
her along.

Also, as the front of the streamlined engine rides so low to the tracks,
at one particular point, it will stall because the front bottom edge of
the loco has actually run into the rails. This seems to because the
engine has dipped a bit going through the frog.
No - that section of track is not particularly poorly installed. There
is no glaring height issues or bulges or mounds, though there is a
slight one.

I'm pondering using something like the bullfrog snot from Portlines for
the traction issue. Any experience with this stuff? or other ideas?
30in rad curves and nothing greater than 1% grades is not an option.

For the low handing front issue, i've already tried shimming up the
front truck set. No dice. Though I solved the low-rider problem, the
traction got much worse, and the then less giving front truck decided
that extra shim was just enough to crash into various crossing portions
of the AM turnouts. Sigh.
I really don't want to dremel off the front edge of my new loco.....

Lookin' forward to the ingenious solutions...

dr y
Group: S-Trains Message: 60040 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Former AC Gilbert employee
http://newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/hulls_hobby_and_hardware_to_close/

A O gauge friend told me about this person who worked at the AC Gilbert factory and then he went on to have a store of his own, as he is closing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60041 From: omahakid2003 Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Weights for scale freight cars / 24003 Box car
I have a question directed toward the scale oriented people in the group. Hoiw much should S gauge freight cars weigh? I have a fleet of cars with Kadee couplers and high rail wheels. Most are American Models or S Helper Service, with a few Pacific Rail Shops (PRS)cars. Backing a long string of cars through American Models turnouts turned into a disaster a couple nights ago. Everything kept derailing. Is it my imagination, or are American Models cars too light? Definitely PRS cars are. I am making an attempt to get all the cars equipped with metal wheel sets, as those definitely help. Has anybody tried putting metal wheelsets in PRS trucks? I'm debating whether to buy new trucks to replace what is on the cars or try to just replace the wheelsets.

As for that Santa Fe 24003 boxcar that was asked about, it was also used in the 20405 set, led by the 21155 0-6-0T Dockside locomotive, as well as the 20460 set with the 21145 0-8-0, both made in 1958. It appears that the car was not sold separately. It seems like a lot of AF made in 1958 is not that easy to find, especially if it was made only that year. Has anybody else noticed this?

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60042 From: lynnshouse2000 Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Wiring Question
I am constructing a multi-loop layout that incorporates a junction in
one corner. A schematic of the junction is:
1____________________________________
\ /
\ /
2_____________________________________
\ /
\ /
3_____________________________________

All track and turnouts are AF. Track 3 has one section of S-40 curve
between the turnouts. Track 2 has one section of S-40 curve and two
short CTF straight between the innermost turnouts. Track 1 has three
sections of S-54 curve between the two turnouts. All operations are in
a left to right direction.

I want to have independent control of each loop. I also want to
incorporate stopping blocks to prevent running a train into a turnout
thrown the wrong way. My worst nightmare would be to see the 374-375
locomotives derail and fall to the floor. Where do I need to install
fiber pins and feeder wires to accomplish my goals? I am sure there
would be a relatively easy way to wire this but the back to back
turnouts in the crossovers have me confused. Any suggestions are
greatly appreciated.

Lynn Ray
Group: S-Trains Message: 60043 From: Dave Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: CORPS OF ENGINEERS Decal Set
By special request we have produced a decal set for the U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. This set is for a caboose and either a flat car or a boom car. All of the text is in white and the engineers insigina is in red and white. For all interested parties please follow the link below and look in the CABOOSE SECTION.

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html


For further information please CONTACT US OFF GROUP.
Thank you all for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60044 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction III
In a message dated 04/06/2010 3:30:58 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, dfsmith26@... writes:

John,

What version of the layout is shown on the video that was put out by SnS a few years ago? Also what changes were made between the different versions, if that isn't too involved? Thanks.

Dale

>>>

Dale, as Steve points out, the differences between older versions of Lookout Junction (seen in his SnS video) and the current iteration are "huge."

The major improvements/additions on Lookout Junction III:
*SHS flex track (replacing AF track)
*Tom's Turnouts (replacing AF switches)
*Cork roadbed (none on LJ I and early LJ II)
*Convertible AC and DCC operation
*Double the size of LJ I
*8-track fiddle yard
*2 wyes
*8-stall roundhouse (not on LJ I)
*More operating accessories
*Four independent loops on two levels, connected through 2 crossovers

Of course, the common feature on all of our layouts is the signature custom-made double crossing which gives Lookout Junction its name. There is a close-up photo of it on the previously mentioned Golden Spike website:
http://www.gsaftc.com/Photos/20091010/20091010-4.html
(It is the 18th photo down.)

Thanks for the inquiry, and come see us at the NASG/NMRA/NTS in Sacramento next year!

John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 60045 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction
There will be a "S-Gauge Model Railroading" Volume 8 one of these days.
Just need to amass enough footage for a good 90 minutes. I will be shooting
some of Lookout Junction III in the near future as well as injecting some
video from back East that has been sent to us. We are always receptive to vide
o from our friends out there that wish to contribute. We give full credits
where credits are due. In addition, the pricing has come down due to new
editing techniques and lab costs. All of the first 7 volumes are now $10 each
on DVD. There are still a few VHS tapes available as well. Volume VIII
will also be $10.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 04/06/2010 10:04:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dfsmith26@... writes:




I just looked at the Golden Spike videos and you are certainly right.
Do you plan any more video releases? I already have 7 volumes.

Dale

_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote:
>
>
> That was Lookout Junction #1 and the differences are huge.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
>
> In a message dated 04/06/2010 3:30:58 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> _dfsmith26@..._ (mailto:dfsmith26@...)
<mailto:dfsmith26%mailto:df> writes:
>
> John,
>
> What version of the layout is shown on the video that was put out by SnS
> a few years ago? Also what changes were made made between the
> different versions, if that isn't too involved? Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> JOHN EICHMANN wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > This particular version of Lookout Junction is the third generation,
> > and was barely completed in time for the Idaho Falls show last year.
> > We promise that it will be greatly enhanced in time for Sacramento.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60046 From: charlie and edith Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Flyer Steam Field Question
Greetings! The recent selonoid(sp) discussion started me thinking about the "field direction". Does it make a difference in operation, if the field wire ends face the front of the engine or the rear of the engine? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W. MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60047 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: SP Daylight PA-PA and Combo, Observation Cars for sale
I have these items for sale from Flyonel's 1984 offering of Southern
Pacific Daylight cars and locos:

(1) 4-9500 Southern Pacific Combo Car - $55 plus $7.95
shipping

Comes with original box. Car shows some dirt buildup on wheels but finish
looks great. I cannot find any missing paint or scratches. Couplers work
though they do not function as reliably as I would like, but I think this
is the way they came from the factory. I have observed a recent ebay
transaction for $62.33 plus $7.95 for shipping, with 6 bids.

(2) 4-9503 Southern Pacific Observation Car - $45 plus $7.95
shipping

Comes with original box. Car shows some dirt buildup on wheels but finish
looks great. I cannot find any missing paint or scratches. Couplers work
though they do not function as reliably as I would like, but I think this
is the way they came from the factory. I have observed a recent ebay
transaction for $52.39 plus $7.95 for shipping, with 3 bids. I have observed a
current "buy it now" car for sale on ebay at $59.99 and $10.00 shipping.

Order both cars and shipping will be combined at cost of $10.00


(3) 4-8150 Southern Pacific PA (powered) and PA (dummy) -
$300 plus $10.00 shipping

Comes with original box, packaging, and registration cards. I cannot see
wear on the wheels though I have test run them. Couplers work though they
do not function as reliably as I would like, but I think this is the way
they came from the factory. I cannot see any scratches or missing paint.
They look great. The dummy unit mysteriously shows some rust on the coupler
bar on the nose end, plus the coupler bar spring is detached on one side.
I cannot see that this affects the coupler operation.

Special price for both cars and the PAs - $300 plus $10.00 shipping

Payment information - I prefer payment with cashiers check from a bank.
I do not accept money orders.

Contact information - Earl Henry, Jr at _tennsgauge@..._
(mailto:tennsgauge@...) or 615/298-4502
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------

My thoughts on completing the set, just my opinion: - To complete the
set, one would need to add a coach and a dome car. Prices on these cars are
normally substantially higher than the price I am offering on the combo and
the observation car, and the prices can vary significanly. I have
observed two recent ebay transaction for coaches in mint condition, never opened
from box, and both cars were offered by the same seller. One sold for
$102.50 with shipping of $7.95 with 16 bids. The other coach sold for $152.50
with shipping of $7.95 with 10 bids.

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---------------------------------

George Greenwood, an S gauge friend of mine here in the Nashville area, is
getting ready to put a collection up for sale. I think this consists of
both original Gilbert and Flyonel American Flyer. To contact George for
more information, his email is _gegreen1@..._
(mailto:gegreen1@...) and his telephone number is 615/771-9256



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60048 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
mike.... went into the train room last night... I have a box car... nice one... need to check if theres one in the set box too before i part with this one... its nice... what other car do you need... Bob
Wasn't the set i referred to a cheap docksider set?

--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:43 PM


 



Mike,,,,  I have it in my 20460 boxed set.... but didn't it come in another set too???? Kinda a cheap set? Bob Conner

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:43 PM

 

You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?

If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.

I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: darryl
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to re-sell guys would go away. Darryl

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogrou p s.com>
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM

http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60049 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Bob,

Yes, that is the Yard King set that I am building piece meal.

All I need is the SF box car and one more lumber car.

Hopefully I will find them at York.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60050 From: michael robinson Date: 4/8/2010
Subject:
hi is the flyer lionel pullmore tires the same as the real american flyer tires on the 336 and the rest ,are they standard ,got a cow on track now carnt waite to hook it up ,well if u can help be most pleased thank u mick in aussy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60051 From: Bruce Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
Wow. He's got to be one of the last surviving Gilbert employees. He must have some great stories about the plant.

Bruce



From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:58 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Former AC Gilbert employee



http://newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/hulls_hobby_and_hardware_to_close/

A O gauge friend told me about this person who worked at the AC Gilbert factory and then he went on to have a store of his own, as he is closing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60052 From: clayton deich Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
Thanks for this post Mike it's going on all over...
 Clayton

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Former AC Gilbert employee
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 5:58 PM
















 









http://newhaveninde pendent.org/ index.php/ archives/ entry/hulls_ hobby_and_ hardware_ to_close/



A O gauge friend told me about this person who worked at the AC Gilbert factory and then he went on to have a store of his own, as he is closing.



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60053 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
I wonder who bought the Rare Circus cage on Ebay, wow what a price!


http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Circus-Cage-Rare-Variation-Green-Lion_W0QQitemZ180488926081QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a05fa7381



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60054 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Weights for scale freight cars / 24003 Box car
Hi Mike,

The NMRA S-Scale guidelines call for 2 ounces plus 1/2 additional ounce
for each inch of car length. For an 8 inch long car, you would expect it
to weigh 6 ounces (2 + 8 * 1/2). The full chart is available:
http://www.nmra.org/standards/sandrp/rp-20_1.html

The weights along with free-rolling trucks, properly shaped wheel
flanges and body-mounted couplers allow for good tracking and backing
up. I used the N-Scale guidelines for years on my old layout and they
worked like a charm.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of omahakid2003
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Weights for scale freight cars / 24003 Box car

I have a question directed toward the scale oriented people in the
group. Hoiw much should S gauge freight cars weigh? I have a fleet of
cars with Kadee couplers and high rail wheels. Most are American Models
or S Helper Service, with a few Pacific Rail Shops (PRS)cars. Backing a
long string of cars through American Models turnouts turned into a
disaster a couple nights ago. Everything kept derailing. Is it my
imagination, or are American Models cars too light? Definitely PRS cars
are. I am making an attempt to get all the cars equipped with metal
wheel sets, as those definitely help. Has anybody tried putting metal
wheelsets in PRS trucks? I'm debating whether to buy new trucks to
replace what is on the cars or try to just replace the wheelsets.

As for that Santa Fe 24003 boxcar that was asked about, it was also used
in the 20405 set, led by the 21155 0-6-0T Dockside locomotive, as well
as the 20460 set with the 21145 0-8-0, both made in 1958. It appears
that the car was not sold separately. It seems like a lot of AF made in
1958 is not that easy to find, especially if it was made only that year.
Has anybody else noticed this?

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60055 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
If I decide to sell this one...do you want it? Bob

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:04 AM


 



Bob,

Yes, that is the Yard King set that I am building piece meal.

All I need is the SF box car and one more lumber car.

Hopefully I will find them at York.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60056 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: AF is not dead on Ebay
Bob,

I think you referred to the set with the 12 freight cars and the 21145 engine.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay



mike.... went into the train room last night... I have a box car... nice one... need to check if theres one in the set box too before i part with this one... its nice... what other car do you need... Bob
Wasn't the set i referred to a cheap docksider set?

--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:43 PM



Mike,,,, I have it in my 20460 boxed set.... but didn't it come in another set too???? Kinda a cheap set? Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:43 PM



You think someone is going to resell this car he or she won for 127.50?

If so, they would have to mark it up quite a bit.

I am not sure what you mean re-sellers will go away.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: darryl
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay

If all model train enthusiast boycotted E-Bay for a year or so the buy to re-sell guys would go away. Darryl

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF is not dead on Ebay
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogrou p s.com>
Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:52 PM

http://cgi.ebay com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=26057532142 7&ssPageName= ADME:B:EOIBUAA: US:1123

I have been trying for a year to get a 24003 SF box car for a set. This is probably the second one on Ebay I have seen in a year.

I put a max bid in for 125.00 for a item that list for 50 in the last TM book, as that is for E, figure, ad 30% more, like the book says to do for LN condition. I figured I was pretty safe at 125. Wrong. I think this is great as the seller did very well and someone else wanted it more than me. LOL

Oh well, I will get one in time, as York is just around the corner.

No, trains are not always so cheap on Ebay.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60057 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring Question
Hi Lynn,

Try reposting your note using Courier font for the diagram. I cannot
read it as it is.
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of lynnshouse2000
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:04 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Question

I am constructing a multi-loop layout that incorporates a junction in
one corner. A schematic of the junction is:
1____________________________________
\ /
\ /
2_____________________________________
\ /
\ /
3_____________________________________

All track and turnouts are AF. Track 3 has one section of S-40 curve
between the turnouts. Track 2 has one section of S-40 curve and two
short CTF straight between the innermost turnouts. Track 1 has three
sections of S-54 curve between the two turnouts. All operations are in
a left to right direction.

I want to have independent control of each loop. I also want to
incorporate stopping blocks to prevent running a train into a turnout
thrown the wrong way. My worst nightmare would be to see the 374-375
locomotives derail and fall to the floor. Where do I need to install
fiber pins and feeder wires to accomplish my goals? I am sure there
would be a relatively easy way to wire this but the back to back
turnouts in the crossovers have me confused. Any suggestions are
greatly appreciated.

Lynn Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60058 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Steam Field Question
The field wire ends are in both directions, as the wire is a wound coil so
one end would face backwards & one forward. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 4/8/2010 3:00:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
charlieandedith@... writes:




Greetings! The recent selonoid(sp) discussion started me thinking about the
"field direction". Does it make a difference in operation, if the field
wire ends face the front of the engine or the rear of the engine? Thanks for
your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W. MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60059 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Harwood.

Aren't you the seller, maybe?

Not many AF people in Highland, MD that I know of except for Harwood Ownings.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay





I wonder who bought the Rare Circus cage on Ebay, wow what a price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Circus-Cage-Rare-Variation-Green-Lion_W0QQitemZ180488926081QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a05fa7381

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60060 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Something is really wrong when a Circus cage sells for $410 with a missing roof and has been glued in a couple places.  Sale price was ridiculous.

Bob


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From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:05:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay

 


I wonder who bought the Rare Circus cage on Ebay, wow what a price!

http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-Circus- Cage-Rare- Variation- Green-Lion_ W0QQitemZ1804889 26081QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item2a05fa7 381

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60061 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
And sadly these stories are dying with people as they do not write them down, as that goes with our own relatives on things in life.

We all should write down things we have done in life, good, bad, maybe, funny, etc., so they can be passed on down to future generations in your families.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Former AC Gilbert employee




Wow. He's got to be one of the last surviving Gilbert employees. He must have some great stories about the plant.

Bruce

From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:58 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Former AC Gilbert employee

http://newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/hulls_hobby_and_hardware_to_close/

A O gauge friend told me about this person who worked at the AC Gilbert factory and then he went on to have a store of his own, as he is closing.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60062 From: Gary Chidester Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Promontory Point
This past weekend the family took a pilgrimage to Promontory Point, Utah. Me, my wife, four kids ages 11,6,4,2 and grandma! The weather forecast was for snow, but we had reservations at an RV park and the family was looking forward to it so we braved it.

Great trip and it had been about 35 years since I had been there. It was very educational and I was glad we made the trip. The weather was a little cold and windy, but the snow didn't come until Saturday and we went to the visitors center on Friday. It truly marks an amazing accomplishment. The governor of California was very skeptical claiming, it was fine to celebrate the beginning, but it meant nothing if they failed. I learned a few pieces of trivia that I had forgotten or never learned while I was there. It's in the middle of nowhere, but a good trip for those within range.

I also met an "O" gauger from Walla Walla, WA that was making the pilgrimage as well. He said he had wanted to make the trip since he started running his original train from 1958. We had a good chat. The replica steam engines were not running when we were there, but will begin daily operation on May first.

Gary in Manti, Utah
Group: S-Trains Message: 60063 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: 0-8-0s for sale
I have two 0-8-0s for sale. One is a 342 (1948) all original and in
excellent
condition but with weak numbers. $350.
Also have a restored 343 R.I.T. Newly painted and lettered boiler and
tender
shell. All new hand rails, $315. Will put a can motor and Dallee reverser
in
this one if wanted, for $75 more.
Photos available.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60064 From: lynnshouse2000 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Wiring Question - Reprise
I found that the schematic did not come through. This is another attempt. The schematic is:

operating direction >
___1________________________________
| a\ b/ |
| |--2-------------------------| |
| | c\ d/ | |
| | |-3-------------------| | |
| | | | | |
| | |_____________________| | |
| | | |
| |____________________________| |
| |
|___________________________________|

I have three loops with crossovers at a,b,c, and d. All track and turnouts are AF. The turnouts are placed in a corner. There is one section of S-40 curved between the "c" and "d" turnouts of loop 3. Loop 2 has one section of S-40 curved and two CTF straight sections between the "a" and "b" turnouts. Loop 1 has three sections of S-54 curved between the turnouts. I tried to make this junction as compact as possible to capture the look of a prototype junction. My desire is to be able to route a train over the entire layout. I am using separate phased transformers for each loop. The inner rail of each loop is wired as the base rail at this time. I have determined that stopping blocks are needed. After laying the track for the junction and completing loops 1 and 2 I was test running a train on loop 2. I aligned the "b" turnouts to cross over to loop 1. After the train cleared I failed to realign them and ran the train into the misaligned turnout. Clearing the ensuing train wreck from the floor brought stopping blocks to my attention. I am somewhat confused by where to place the fiber pins and how to set the single/two train switches on the turnouts since the crossovers are back to back pairs. Also, the track between the turnouts on loops 2 and 3 is rather short. As a side note the largest locomotives I will be operating are AF 4-8-4, SHS F3 A-B sets, and AF/LTI PA-PB-PA sets.

Any guidance is greatly appreciated.

Lynn Ray
Group: S-Trains Message: 60065 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former Gilbert employees
As the people who "made" the history pass on, we lose irreplacable insight into our past. However, this is not at all unsual.
My grandmother was born in France in 1896, came to America in 1902, and would often tell me stories of the "old days." I wish I could remember them all. When talking about air pollution back when I was in High School, she just laughed. "We had pollution too," she said, "And yes, we could see it, smell it, and also step in it. You see, there were 400,000 horses in Philadelphia when I was a little girl."
As a history buff, I have talked to hundreds of old timers in railroading, auto racing, and so on. All we can do is to write down what they tell us or try to remember it as many ancient cultures did, verbally.
I once asked a group of old time auto racing stars why they didn't take pictures or write things down. The answer was almost universal: "We were too busy doing it!" Another answer heard almost as often was: "We didn't know anyone would care but us."
Some of the best, most insightful history I have learned over the years was from individuals telling about events from their own viewpoints. Notice that it has been only in the past ten years that even folks like "The History Channel" are looking at the past through the eyes of those who saw it.
It is human nature not to recognize a loss until it is too late.
Stumpy Stone...in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 60066 From: pab11147 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Joe's Train Repair
I've been trying to get in touch with Joe by phone and email for weeks with no results. Anyone know what's going on with him? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60067 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: 1/65 aircraft models
Lindberg re-issued their He-III and Ju-88 airplane models- if you want something exotic at your airpark, these are head-turners. Their 1/65 B-17G is due later this year- John Marganski




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60068 From: Scale S Only Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Promontory Point
Hi --

We were there last year in June. All my life I thought that the spike was out in the flatlands, but no, it's up on a wide ridge of mountains! While I was aware of the duplicated grades between the UP and the CP, I was amazed by how much there was and all the cuts and fills that were done for naught, essentially by hand... Did you drive the grade east of the spike?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60069 From: EdSauers Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT *** B&O I1 Wood Copula Caboose Announcement
Group,

The following was posted on the S-Scale list today, The B&O I1 Steam Era Wood Copula Caboose has never been done in S-Svale before. This kit is available with Hi-Rail wheels.

Howdy!

This is an announcement of a project that was started by a group of dedicated B&O modelers who needed the above caboose.

They requested that THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC manage the project for the group. The prime researcher who gathered the documentation on the I-1 was Ed Sauers. The second is Brooks Stover who wants his BC&G RR to have proper caboose. These gentlemen made it all happen.

Development and production of the laser cut car body is by LAKE JUNCTION MODELS of St. Louis, MO.

You may visit the custom_caboose_ models@yahoogrou ps.com to see the images of the prototype by Ed Sauers. He placed them at the site along with all the research materials for the producer of the car body of these kits.

This message is for two purposes.

1) To take firm reservations.

2) To let you the modeler know what choices you will have.

We have produced a kit that will be the following;

A complete car body of a as built B&O I-1 wood cupola caboose. Priced at $69.95 + USPS shipping and insurance. This is less trucks and couplers. Those choices are listed below for your consideration.

The following items can be added to each kit for the price listed. We wanted to give you, the modeler, the final say in what you purchase.

2) B&O decals Priced at $5.95 per set

3) Grandt Line AB Brakes Priced at $5.95 per set

or

4) VINTAGE CLASSICS
K Brakes Priced at $3.95 per set

5) AMERICAN MODELS

Caboose Trucks
w/Leaf Springs Priced at $5.95 per set

or

Non-sprung trucks Priced at $5.95 per set

For those needing high rail trucks, simply specify high rail in your order. There is no additional charge, we just want to get you the correct trucks.
Please note that after this initial run two additional versions of the I-1 may become available based upon demand. They are,

1) B&O I-1 Transfer Caboose (copula removed)

2) 'Wide Porch' with modern steps version

Each 'kit' will have any of the above options available by paid reservation.

We will not accept funds at this time, only your firm reservations.

Please send by return email an attachment that includes you name, address, and phone number. We will print your attachment and use that to send your bill attached to a return email for payment for your order.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC
thesupplycar@ yahoo.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 60070 From: George Cohn Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Former AC Gilbert employee
michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> And sadly these stories are dying with people as they do not write them
> down, as that goes with our own relatives on things in life.

And not train related but I worked in IT for over 40 years.

Since I retired, I now I teach IT classes at the local community college
and pass along many of the things I learned in my 40 years of working to
my students. My boss says that's why everyone wants to sign up for the
classes I teach! ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60071 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Joe's Train Repair
I am in touch with Joe on a regular basis, about things non train related, as the last email I got from him was on 4-2 which is a week ago.

Hopefully everything is okay with Joe, as I sent him a email Tuesday about the Duke win, as I did not hear back.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: pab11147
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Joe's Train Repair



I've been trying to get in touch with Joe by phone and email for weeks with no results. Anyone know what's going on with him? Thanks.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60072 From: fahrwud Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction - Youtube
I believe this video is of the roundhouse section:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNF78CgSzw&feature=related

Neat stuff!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> I received the latest Dispatch in the mail Saturday and read about the
> Lookout Junction III S gauge layout.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60073 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: 0-8-0s for sale (revised)
Maybe this sounded confusing. The 343 is complete with original motor and
4 step reverse unit.
Runs great and smokes good. I may have made it sound as though it were
without motor and reverser.




I have two 0-8-0s for sale. One is a 342 (1948) all original and in
excellent condition but with weak numbers. $350.

Also have a restored 343 R.I.T. Newly painted and lettered boiler and
tender shell. All new hand rails, $315. Will put a can motor and Dallee
reverser
in this one if wanted, for $75 more.
Photos available.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60074 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Cow on Track in Aussy
Mick,

Check out my cow on track video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDfvJlxV0V0

If you need help setting it up let me know.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael robinson <mickmick1958@...> wrote:
>
> hi is the flyer lionel pullmore tires the same as the real american flyer tires on the 336 and the rest ,are they standard ,got a cow on track now carnt waite to hook it up ,well if u can help be most pleased thank u mick in aussy
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60075 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/9/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Mike,
Your sharp eye again. You are partially right, it was my daughter at college (WVU) selling to make money for her rent next year. I was shocked when I saw the price. I gave her some stuff I had laying around to sell. She hasn't told me who the buyer was yet.
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:34 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay




Harwood.

Aren't you the seller, maybe?

Not many AF people in Highland, MD that I know of except for Harwood Ownings.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay

I wonder who bought the Rare Circus cage on Ebay, wow what a price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Circus-Cage-Rare-Variation-Green-Lion_W0QQitemZ180488926081QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a05fa7381

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60076 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Lookout Junction - Youtube
Thanks for the great video of the turntable in operation and the eight-stall roundhouse. I have been looking for an example near S scale, having grown up on the eastern plains of Colorado in a town with a very similar eight bay roundhouse. At one point in time Hugo, Colorado, was a division point for the Kansas Pacific and, later, the Union Pacific between Sharon Springs, Kansas, and Denver. Hard to believe, but the Hugo yard at that time had more miles of siding than the Denver yards. The roundhouse was closed in the late forties or early fifties, and I don't have any memories of it being operational. The turntable was one of the first things removed and filled in as a safety measure so no one would drive into it. It was converted to a farm implement shop, then a hardware store, and finally sat vacant for several years. Fortunately, some local folks have banded together to try and preserve the old building. As you can well imagine, this has been a huge undertaking for a tiny town with limited means in the best of times - let alone now. They have literally been working years just trying to get enough money together to get a new roof on. I was out home just yesterday and happy to hear that they have received some federal stimulus money and work is progressing on the roof. It looks to me like they at least have all the sheathing replaced. If they can get the entire building weather tight in this first go-round they will have really accomplished something. I wish I could do more to help. Maybe win the lotto??? :) If you're interested in a REAL brick eight bay roundhouse here in Colorado, go to www.hugoroundhouse.com And, if you're wondering what to do with all your zillion$ left over after paying your taxes, I'm sure they would appreciate your donation or membership!!
Jim Ensign
(Grew up in Hugo, now live in Louisville, Colo.)

----- Original Message -----
From: "fahrwud" <fahrwud@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2010 6:19:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lookout Junction - Youtube






I believe this video is of the roundhouse section:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNF78CgSzw&feature=related

Neat stuff!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> I received the latest Dispatch in the mail Saturday and read about the
> Lookout Junction III S gauge layout.
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60077 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
As you all know...I am passionately pursuing these kind of rare, early cages for my circus collection. I was a bidder...and it went for four times what I was willing to spend.

Don't we all have that one item on our list that would make our collection "complete?" Mine is one or two (or more) of these early circus wagons...but if they always go for this ridiculous, unfathomable kind of sum for a plastic toy, my collection will never be complete. Still sickens me that I missed out on four of these cages at York two years ago...for $25 each!! I would be willing to trade one of my ACME carousel trucks for some of these wagons. I am up to five of the carousel trucks when I thought I would never own one...but the early cages continue to elude me.

Really...I am not looking for anything else for my collection right now. I am quite happy with what I have amassed...not even interested in an orange 625 or a Simmons car or a Penn Salt car...unless the price was way below reasonable. I love what I have and the one thing I am looking for seems to be in the eagle eye of many rich collectors.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60078 From: Bruce Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Absolutely ridiculous bidding in its present condition. Just crazy. Of course, I know that there will be those that disagree, due to the supposed rarity of the piece. But still......my goodness.

Bruce



From: HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:05 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay





I wonder who bought the Rare Circus cage on Ebay, wow what a price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Circus-Cage-Rare-Variation-Green-Lion_W0QQitemZ180488926081QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a05fa7381

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60079 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Harwood.

LOL, as I am down to one eye at this time in life, seriously. The one eye is shot. So I am glad you did not say sharp eyes. O:)!

Glad to hear you gave her things to sell for school money.

Mike
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From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay




Mike,
Your sharp eye again. You are partially right, it was my daughter at college (WVU) selling to make money for her rent next year. I was shocked when I saw the price. I gave her some stuff I had laying around to sell. She hasn't told me who the buyer was yet.
Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:34 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay

Harwood.

Aren't you the seller, maybe?

Not many AF people in Highland, MD that I know of except for Harwood Ownings.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare Circus cage on Ebay

I wonder who bought the Rare Circus cage on Ebay, wow what a price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Circus-Cage-Rare-Variation-Green-Lion_W0QQitemZ180488926081QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a05fa7381

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60080 From: EdSauers Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: UPDATE ** NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT *** B&O I1 Wood Copula Caboose An
Group,

I have uploaded pictures of the B&O I1 Caboose to the photo section of this group under the name of "B&O I1 Caboose". The caboose group referenced below requires membership to view the photos there so I added them to the photo section on this sit for easy of viewing.

Also, Yahoo mail has inserted a space in the email address of the suppy car which is where reservations should be sent and this causes the link to fail. If you would like to reserve a B&O I1 caboose kit you will have to enter the email address yourself. The address is "TheSupplyCar@..."

Thanks and sorry for the problems.

Ed Sauers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "EdSauers" <ehsauers1@...> wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> The following was posted on the S-Scale list today, The B&O I1 Steam Era Wood Copula Caboose has never been done in S-Svale before. This kit is available with Hi-Rail wheels.
>
> Howdy!
>
> This is an announcement of a project that was started by a group of dedicated B&O modelers who needed the above caboose.
>
> They requested that THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC manage the project for the group. The prime researcher who gathered the documentation on the I-1 was Ed Sauers. The second is Brooks Stover who wants his BC&G RR to have proper caboose. These gentlemen made it all happen.
>
> Development and production of the laser cut car body is by LAKE JUNCTION MODELS of St. Louis, MO.
>
> You may visit the custom_caboose_ models@yahoogrou ps.com to see the images of the prototype by Ed Sauers. He placed them at the site along with all the research materials for the producer of the car body of these kits.
>
> This message is for two purposes.
>
> 1) To take firm reservations.
>
> 2) To let you the modeler know what choices you will have.
>
> We have produced a kit that will be the following;
>
> A complete car body of a as built B&O I-1 wood cupola caboose. Priced at $69.95 + USPS shipping and insurance. This is less trucks and couplers. Those choices are listed below for your consideration.
>
> The following items can be added to each kit for the price listed. We wanted to give you, the modeler, the final say in what you purchase.
>
> 2) B&O decals Priced at $5.95 per set
>
> 3) Grandt Line AB Brakes Priced at $5.95 per set
>
> or
>
> 4) VINTAGE CLASSICS
> K Brakes Priced at $3.95 per set
>
> 5) AMERICAN MODELS
>
> Caboose Trucks
> w/Leaf Springs Priced at $5.95 per set
>
> or
>
> Non-sprung trucks Priced at $5.95 per set
>
> For those needing high rail trucks, simply specify high rail in your order. There is no additional charge, we just want to get you the correct trucks.
> Please note that after this initial run two additional versions of the I-1 may become available based upon demand. They are,
>
> 1) B&O I-1 Transfer Caboose (copula removed)
>
> 2) 'Wide Porch' with modern steps version
>
> Each 'kit' will have any of the above options available by paid reservation.
>
> We will not accept funds at this time, only your firm reservations.
>
> Please send by return email an attachment that includes you name, address, and phone number. We will print your attachment and use that to send your bill attached to a return email for payment for your order.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob McCarthy
> THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC
> thesupplycar@ yahoo.com
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60081 From: Edward Sauers Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Update {S-Scale List} B&O I1 Caboose **** list of other RRs that us
Group,

Other RRs that purchased the B&O I1 cabooses were as follows:

Alton and later GM&O
 
B&OCT
 
SIRT
 
WAG

Winchestern & Western


The above information was provided by Dwight Jones.

Thanks

Ed Sauers



________________________________
From: Edward Sauers <ehsauers1@...>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Cc: LeeRainey@...
Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 11:43:44 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} B&O I1 Caboose **** New Product Announcement *** Never been done is S-Scale

 
Lee,

To place a reservation for a kit,  Please send your name, address, email address and phone number to:

thesupplycar@ yahoo.com

 No deposits are required, The Supply Car will send you an invoice for your kits when they are available from the builder.

Thanks

Ed

____________ _________ _________ __
From: "LeeRainey@aol. com" <LeeRainey@aol. com>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 11:15:03 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} B&O I1 Caboose **** New Product Announcement *** Never been done is S-Scale

 

Ed --

How do we show our support? Where can we send deposits?

Lee Rainey
"Every modeler has two favorite prototypes: the B&O and the other one."

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Sauers <ehsauers1@yahoo. com>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:52 pm
Subject: {S-Scale List} B&O I1 Caboose **** New Product Announcement *** Never been done is S-Scale

Group,

After spending 4 years trying to get this model produced.... ....it is finally a Reality!!!!! !

If you visit the Caboose site at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/custom_ caboose_models you can view pictures of the prototype kit. This model is about 90% complete...it needs some roof detail and ladder extension which were completed after these photos were taken. Please visit the photos section and look at album "I1 Prototype Photos" there are also photos in the files section that show some of the construction methods employed in this kit.

Your support would be greatly appreciared, we need to provide incentives for kit-makers like LAKE JUNCTION MODELS, LLC if we what kit of models that were only a dream a few years ago.

Thanks

Ed Sauers

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@ yahoo.com>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 12:30:47 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} B&O I-1 Caboose

Good Afternoon,

The attached message will explain everything about how you can obtain one or more of these caboose kits.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC

Howdy!

This is an announcement of a project that was started by a group of dedicated B&O modelers who needed the above caboose.

They requested that THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC manage the project for the group. The prime researcher who gathered the documentation on the I-1 was Ed Sauers. The second is Brooks Stover who wants his BC&G RR to have proper caboose. These gentlemen made it all happen.

Development and production of the laser cut car body is by LAKE JUNCTION MODELS of St. Louis, MO.

You may visit the custom_caboose_ models@yahoogrou ps.com to see the images of the prototype by Ed Sauers. He placed them at the site along with all the research materials for the producer of the car body of these kits.

This message is for two purposes.

1) To take firm reservations.

2) To let you the modeler know what choices you will have.

We have produced a kit that will be the following;

A complete car body of a as built B&O I-1 wood cupola caboose. Priced at $69.95 + USPS shipping and insurance. This is less trucks and couplers. Those choices are listed below for your consideration.

The following items can be added to each kit for the price listed. We wanted to give you, the modeler, the final say in what you purchase.

2) B&O decals Priced at $5.95 per set

3) Grandt Line AB Brakes Priced at $5.95 per set

or

4) VINTAGE CLASSICS
K Brakes Priced at $3.95 per set

5) AMERICAN MODELS

Caboose Trucks
w/Leaf Springs Priced at $5.95 per set

or

Non-sprung trucks Priced at $5.95 per set

For those needing high rail trucks, simply specify high rail in your order. There is no additional charge, we just want to get you the correct trucks.
Please note that after this initial run two additional versions of the I-1 may become available based upon demand. They are,

1) B&O I-1 Transfer Caboose (copula removed)

2) 'Wide Porch' with modern steps version

Each 'kit' will have any of the above options available by paid reservation.

We will not accept funds at this time, only your firm reservations.

Please send by return email an attachment that includes you name, address, and phone number. We will print your attachment and use that to send your bill attached to a return email for payment for your order.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC
thesupplycar@ yahoo.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60082 From: mspeichert@sbcglobal.net Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: D-1655 Banner
Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 60083 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Fred Jester
Has anyone heard how Fred Jester is doing, I had heard that he had been
ill.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60084 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Hi Mark,
D-1655 puts this number in the 1951 numbering system with catalogs.� I would imagine this item would list as NRS for no reported sales.� This appears to be of a very high value.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, mspeichert@... <mspeichert@...> wrote:

From: mspeichert@... <mspeichert@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:19 AM


Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60085 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/11/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60086 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Hi Harwood,
� Fred's in pretty bad shape.  He's getting treatments and he's still running his business.  I spoke to him last week.  I'm not sure if he's going to York.  He's a fighter.
� Tom Seccia


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From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fred Jester
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 12:33 PM







 









Has anyone heard how Fred Jester is doing, I had heard that he had been

ill.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60087 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Thanks Tom.

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:


From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:15 PM


 



Hi Mark,
D-1655 puts this number in the 1951 numbering system with catalogs.  I would imagine this item would list as NRS for no reported sales.  This appears to be of a very high value.
Tom Seccia

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From: mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net <mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:19 AM


Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60088 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
any chance of a photo?
 
Bill Drake

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mark Speichert <mspeichert@...> wrote:


From: Mark Speichert <mspeichert@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:51 PM


 



Thanks Tom.

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:15 PM

 

Hi Mark,
D-1655 puts this number in the 1951 numbering system with catalogs.  I would imagine this item would list as NRS for no reported sales.  This appears to be of a very high value.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net> wrote:

From: mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:19 AM

Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60089 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Bill, I have just enought abality to email you back and look at ebay. If I ask my wife she will do it for me it just asking my wife.   Mark
--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:


From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 10:36 AM


 



any chance of a photo?
 
Bill Drake

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mark Speichert <mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net> wrote:

From: Mark Speichert <mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:51 PM

 

Thanks Tom.

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:15 PM

 

Hi Mark,
D-1655 puts this number in the 1951 numbering system with catalogs.  I would imagine this item would list as NRS for no reported sales.  This appears to be of a very high value.
Tom Seccia

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From: mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:19 AM

Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60090 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
thanks - looking forward to it
 
Bill

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From: Mark Speichert <mspeichert@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 11:14 AM


 



Bill, I have just enought abality to email you back and look at ebay. If I ask my wife she will do it for me it just asking my wife.   Mark
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From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 10:36 AM

 

any chance of a photo?
 
Bill Drake

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From: Mark Speichert <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:51 PM

 

Thanks Tom.

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From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:15 PM

 

Hi Mark,
D-1655 puts this number in the 1951 numbering system with catalogs.  I would imagine this item would list as NRS for no reported sales.  This appears to be of a very high value.
Tom Seccia

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From: mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:19 AM

Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60091 From: grdobbs Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: For Sale
I have 3 NIMCO all wood S scale car kits and 3 Ye Old
Huff-n-puff all wood S scale car kits, with out wheel trucks, , new in
the box ( all 6 kits from the "50s " and all kits were made in
Pennsylvania ).
I will trade for Miller switcher high rail locomotive parts, or will
sell the package of 6 cars for $100.00 and I will pay the shipping in the
US of A
Jerry hr 77-11644
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60092 From: ljcamp1@aol.com Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
This is a banner sold to retailers to draw attention to the American Flyer trains they sold. It is a desirable piece of Gilbert advertising to have if it is original. However, not too many have survived in excellent condition, and there were a limited number reproduced about 10-12 years ago by a long time Gilbert paper collector from Chicago. I have seen an original on a table at York for $2000. The repros were sold for $200 if I remember correctly.

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> Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark
>
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/11/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60094 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/11/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Hello,thank you for the info. I am going to put a picture up soon. I believe this to be orignal because of the condition of the paper staple marks and wear and discoloration.   Mark

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From: ljcamp1@... <ljcamp1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 4:37 PM


 



This is a banner sold to retailers to draw attention to the American Flyer trains they sold. It is a desirable piece of Gilbert advertising to have if it is original. However, not too many have survived in excellent condition, and there were a limited number reproduced about 10-12 years ago by a long time Gilbert paper collector from Chicago. I have seen an original on a table at York for $2000. The repros were sold for $200 if I remember correctly.

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> Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60095 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: New Layout Videos Posted
Hi All,

I posted more videos on YouTube of some accessories on my layout. The latest are:

The Dino Cafe and Service Station:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGn2zu5KI8

MTH Gabe the Lamplighter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU-SITia-nA

Oil Derrick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD43mYQeSj8

I hope you enjoy. You can see my other layout videos by entering davidtyner1 into any YouTube serch window.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60096 From: eric Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: S Train cars for sale. SHS, AM, DP
For Sale S Items

April 11, 2010

Eric Reis

P.O. Box 82126,

Kenmore, Wa 98028

ericsinhere@... <eric@...>



A few more clearance items that I will list here prior to EBAY in a week or
so.



1. Milwaukee 957 gondola, des plaines, This has the cutaway side
panels and was special for the 2006? Tacoma NASG meet, pipe load. $35

2. Northern Pacific red #1784 Caboose, American models Ready to run
$30

3. SHS 01128 Rebuilt Great Northern Box car #1 Red, #34766. $35

4. SHS 00346 Rebuilt Great Northern Box car #1 orange/green, #2058.
$35

5. SHS 00347 Rebuilt Great Northern Box car # green, #27794. $35

6. SHS 01952 Pacific Fruit Express Refer OVAL #2 Orange, #11034.
$40

7. SHS 00193 TOFC trailer train W REAX aluminum trailer , missing t
end ramps. $40

$235 for all 7 shipping included????

Everything looks as new, one of the box cars looks like the wheels may have
been run but that may just be discoloration on them. All are set up as
highrail (flyer compatible) with knuckles. The scale wheels are there on
the SHS cars as they came from SHS. The Tofc trailer has a small nick or
mark on the side.

Make an offer on any or all. Shipping will be $8 for one or $9 for 2, $10
for 3 or more USPS ground.



Paypal preferred, Money order and checks work too.



Thanks for looking, all sales final.



eric


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60097 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: af instruction sheets
can someone help me out with instruction sheets for 785 coal loader and 787 log loader.    thanks
             tomgrabinski




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60098 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets
Tom,

You can see my 787 log loader on YouTube at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmGCxNUyKSU


To wire it up, run one wire (most people use YELLOW wire for this one)from one post on the loader to the constant voltage (either 15V or 18V depending on the transformer) post on the transformer. Run another wire (typically BLACK) from the BASE post on the transformer to one connection on the control button. Run another wire (also BLACK) from the other connection on the control button to the other post on the loader. Turn on the transformer and hold the control button down. That's all there is to it.

Sorry, I don't have a 785 coal loader so I can't help you with that one.

BG1


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60099 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets
http://www.portlines.com/afrepairclinics.htm

Wiring diagrams are here for them.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Grabinski
To: s-trains@...
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:07 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] af instruction sheets



can someone help me out with instruction sheets for 785 coal loader and 787 log loader. thanks
tomgrabinski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60100 From: Coopers Date: 4/12/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets 785 & 787
Good Evening

See attached items - Hope that this helps

Best Regards,

Art
Richardson, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Grabinski
To: s-trains@...
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] af instruction sheets



can someone help me out with instruction sheets for 785 coal loader and 787 log loader. thanks
tomgrabinski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60101 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets
thanks for the information.  very helpful.  have a great day.    tomgrabinski  




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From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:16:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: af instruction sheets

 
Tom,

You can see my 787 log loader on YouTube at this link:

http://www.youtube com/watch? v=GmGCxNUyKSU

To wire it up, run one wire (most people use YELLOW wire for this one)from one post on the loader to the constant voltage (either 15V or 18V depending on the transformer) post on the transformer. Run another wire (typically BLACK) from the BASE post on the transformer to one connection on the control button. Run another wire (also BLACK) from the other connection on the control button to the other post on the loader. Turn on the transformer and hold the control button down. That's all there is to it.

Sorry, I don't have a 785 coal loader so I can't help you with that one.

BG1

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> can someone help me out with instruction sheets for 785 coal loader and 787 log loader.    thanks
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60102 From: portlines Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Polar Express
Plan ahead for your holiday layout this year. We are now offering our exclusive set of POLAR EXPRESS S-scale decals for the 1225 engine, tender, and five passenger cars, so you can create your own holiday train! In addition, we have a special offer on an American Models set of undecorated Northern steam engine and heavyweight cars for use with these decals. See our website home-page for details.
Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.sgaugetrains.com
www.flyerparts.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60103 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: circus loco
I was at the train show sunday in Wheaton, il. Someone was selling a Circus Locomotive. The loc itself was a very dull red. The tender was a very bright red. They wanted $285.00 for it. Do you think I should have nibbled?
Jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60104 From: tgrebo Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: af instruction sheets 785 & 787
art, note says see attached. but nothing is attached. s-0-s. please resend if possible. thankyou tomgrabinski


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> Good Evening
>
> See attached items - Hope that this helps
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Art
> Richardson, TX
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> From: Tom Grabinski
> To: s-trains@...
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 6:07 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] af instruction sheets
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60105 From: preardon4girls Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Portline & S-Helper
I just had a wonderful purchasing experience and I need to tell someone.
A couple of weeks ago, Doug at Portlines, had a new A/F compatible Maine Central F-3 engine(s) that I purchased. When I got back home and set them up on the layout, there was no sound. (I was disappointed and figured this was going to take time and effort to resolve). I called Don at S-Helper (I suspected that I may have been doing something technically wrong). He said to send it to him and he would fix it. I did, and in the meantime Doug contacted me and offered to pay for any out of pocket costs that I would incure. (Did you get that? I did not contact him, he contacted me!). Anyhow, I shipped off the locos and in one week I had them back from S-Helper and they were perfect! (Don also helped me with another loco that was not originally sound equipped, at the same time). In one week. Did you get that!?

This is incredible service and makes me want to do all my business with Doug at Portlines and with S-Helper whenever I can. I have been told that I sometimes, maybe a little bit, have a tendency to get b***hy when things go "off the rails", so...I wanted to make sure that everyone hears me when things go better than perfect!

Thanks for Indulging my Rant,
Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 60106 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: circus loco
Hi Jack.  I believe the Circus loco was too high in price.  It sounds like the engine was original and the tender repainted.  Or, they were from different sets and put together.  I bought a restored Circus engine and tender from a fellow in Indiana for $150.00.  It has a beatiful red paint job. 

Bob 




________________________________
From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...>
To: s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 4:09:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] circus loco

 
I was at the train show sunday in Wheaton, il. Someone was selling a Circus Locomotive. The loc itself was a very dull red. The tender was a very bright red. They wanted $285.00 for it. Do you think I should have nibbled?
Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60107 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Hi Doug,

In light of your email, I'm just following up on my order i.e. the items
on back order. I think the original order was back on about March 20
and consisted of a main order plus some e-unit fingers that I added in a
follow up email. I received the first part of the order just fine.

Any idea yet on when the last items may be available? Just checking.

Tom Detmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60108 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: Portline & S-Helper
Nice story Pat. In fact, it is so nice; I sent it to the TCA_Members
group. Maybe we'll get a convert or two since most of them are 3-rail,
O-gauge folks.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of preardon4girls
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Portline & S-Helper

I just had a wonderful purchasing experience and I need to tell someone.
A couple of weeks ago, Doug at Portlines, had a new A/F compatible Maine
Central F-3 engine(s) that I purchased. When I got back home and set
them up on the layout, there was no sound. (I was disappointed and
figured this was going to take time and effort to resolve). I called
Don at S-Helper (I suspected that I may have been doing something
technically wrong). He said to send it to him and he would fix it. I
did, and in the meantime Doug contacted me and offered to pay for any
out of pocket costs that I would incure. (Did you get that? I did not
contact him, he contacted me!). Anyhow, I shipped off the locos and in
one week I had them back from S-Helper and they were perfect! (Don also
helped me with another loco that was not originally sound equipped, at
the same time). In one week. Did you get that!?

This is incredible service and makes me want to do all my business with
Doug at Portlines and with S-Helper whenever I can. I have been told
that I sometimes, maybe a little bit, have a tendency to get b***hy when
things go "off the rails", so...I wanted to make sure that everyone
hears me when things go better than perfect!

Thanks for Indulging my Rant,
Pat, in Maine



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60109 From: mike rosz Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: Portline & S-Helper
I have an engine that does not run, not sure where to start, but the light comes on, and there is a noise I hear like it is trying to start.  It is a flyer diesel.




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From: preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 6:25:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Portline & S-Helper

 
I just had a wonderful purchasing experience and I need to tell someone.
A couple of weeks ago, Doug at Portlines, had a new A/F compatible Maine Central F-3 engine(s) that I purchased. When I got back home and set them up on the layout, there was no sound. (I was disappointed and figured this was going to take time and effort to resolve). I called Don at S-Helper (I suspected that I may have been doing something technically wrong). He said to send it to him and he would fix it. I did, and in the meantime Doug contacted me and offered to pay for any out of pocket costs that I would incure. (Did you get that? I did not contact him, he contacted me!). Anyhow, I shipped off the locos and in one week I had them back from S-Helper and they were perfect! (Don also helped me with another loco that was not originally sound equipped, at the same time). In one week. Did you get that!?

This is incredible service and makes me want to do all my business with Doug at Portlines and with S-Helper whenever I can. I have been told that I sometimes, maybe a little bit, have a tendency to get b***hy when things go "off the rails", so...I wanted to make sure that everyone hears me when things go better than perfect!

Thanks for Indulging my Rant,
Pat, in Maine







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60110 From: Scott Davidson Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
A good cure for the collection completion feeling of sickness is
reproductions..



I find that they make you feel much better.



:>)



Scott Dee



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ben and Lynn Stiles
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 09:28 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay





As you all know...I am passionately pursuing these kind of rare, early cages
for my circus collection. I was a bidder...and it went for four times what I
was willing to spend.

Don't we all have that one item on our list that would make our collection
"complete?" Mine is one or two (or more) of these early circus wagons...but
if they always go for this ridiculous, unfathomable kind of sum for a
plastic toy, my collection will never be complete. Still sickens me that I
missed out on four of these cages at York two years ago...for $25 each!! I
would be willing to trade one of my ACME carousel trucks for some of these
wagons. I am up to five of the carousel trucks when I thought I would never
own one...but the early cages continue to elude me.

Really...I am not looking for anything else for my collection right now. I
am quite happy with what I have amassed...not even interested in an orange
625 or a Simmons car or a Penn Salt car...unless the price was way below
reasonable. I love what I have and the one thing I am looking for seems to
be in the eagle eye of many rich collectors.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60111 From: hjsheffield Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Possible new S house
I am in talks with a manufacturer about a possible new house based on the one in the Flicker video at http://www.flickr.com/photos/24796741@N05/sets/72157604247242338/show/with/2346008881/
It would be similar to the single story address 239 that this expert modeler did.

How many of you would want a house like this. Price is unknown at this point but would be in line with current similar sized kits. Would a garage also be wanted included or separate?
Other ideas for a small home to fill in layout areas could be considered with enough interest.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 60112 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Ebay item
http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Pennsylvania-24110-flat-car_W0QQitemZ140399299970QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item20b0734d82

The classic, half hole in almost the middle of the car, car.

Don't let this one pass by as they say.

RARE, only one of its kind.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60113 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
From: Alan Lambert
Dear Howard,
I wold be interested in one. Looked like many of the homes here in Fort Worth, Texas that are still standing .
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
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From: hjsheffield <hjsheff@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Possible new S house
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 12:55 PM


 



I am in talks with a manufacturer about a possible new house based on the one in the Flicker video at http://www.flickr com/photos/ 24796741@ N05/sets/ 7215760424724233 8/show/with/ 2346008881/
It would be similar to the single story address 239 that this expert modeler did.

How many of you would want a house like this. Price is unknown at this point but would be in line with current similar sized kits. Would a garage also be wanted included or separate?
Other ideas for a small home to fill in layout areas could be considered with enough interest.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60114 From: George Cohn Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
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> The classic, half hole in almost the middle of the car, car.
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> Don't let this one pass by as they say.
>
> RARE, only one of its kind.

Might be worth $10 for the trucks and couplers *if* they were perfect!

Note the shipping price as well. I had someone send me a Priority Mail
box full of cars for less than that. ;-)

BTW, thanks Robert G, I got them OK.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60115 From: Bruce Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Ebay item
Mike,

I've been checking out the stuff this newbie to Ebay has been offering. It seems that everything item is graded "good", even if someone took a bite out of a piece here and there. A little strange in some cases. A lot strange in this one. He's worried about dust? And, check out the starting bid. $20 for a basket case? A 24110 in EX condition is only worth $18 tops. His handle "treetopflyr3" would explain the condition of the gondola. It looks like it hit a few branches on the way down.

He has a 293 that he only shows one side of, and with the same "a little dust, but nothing a little elbow grease can't fix". Then he says he's not sure if it works, but "it's old". That disclaimer should forgive a multitude of sins.

He states on every one of his auctions (all 9 of them) that he believes that each piece he offers, be it an accessory, a five digit gondola, 3 digit car, or a piece of track, one trestle, one D&H gondola cannister, or a white gas pump, is from "The Meteor 8 Car Steam Type Freight Train Set."

Check this one out. Talk about a rare accessory assortment:

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Train-Set-Assortment_W0QQitemZ140399303372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item20b0735acc

Bruce



From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:15 AM
To: S trains ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Ralph Loveless
Subject: [toytrains] Ebay item



http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Pennsylvania-24110-flat-car_W0QQitemZ140399299970QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item20b0734d82

The classic, half hole in almost the middle of the car, car.

Don't let this one pass by as they say.

RARE, only one of its kind.

Mike

***Good picture, however! LOL. Mod.***




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60116 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
and at $35 total with shipping a great deal.You can't find an EXACT one
like it for $35.00 anywhere Mike


In a message dated 4/14/2010 11:30:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




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bay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebahttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebay.htt_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Pennsylvania-24110-flat-car_W0QQitemZ140399299970QQ
cmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item20b0734d82)

The classic, half hole in almost the middle of the car, car.

Don't let this one pass by as they say.

RARE, only one of its kind.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60117 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
Howard,

Nice photo's, wish I had room for more things.

I wish someone made a S scale Divco truck.

Since you sent this link in, I remember a Chevy Used Car "OK" lot like the one in the picture in this set of pictures. It was Tom's Chevrolet on GA Ave in Wheaton, MD. The dealership building became a post office repair Shoppe, the rest of the land became a Roy Rogers and a Merchant Tire store.

Thanks for posting the link to this neat pictures.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: hjsheffield
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Possible new S house



I am in talks with a manufacturer about a possible new house based on the one in the Flicker video at http://www.flickr.com/photos/24796741@N05/sets/72157604247242338/show/with/2346008881/
It would be similar to the single story address 239 that this expert modeler did.

How many of you would want a house like this. Price is unknown at this point but would be in line with current similar sized kits. Would a garage also be wanted included or separate?
Other ideas for a small home to fill in layout areas could be considered with enough interest.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60118 From: robert hendrickson Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
Mike, I have one in my junk box downstairs with an almost identical divot. Other than that it's mint. If you want it I'll give it to you at a 'special" price.
 
Bob


--- On Wed, 4/14/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay item
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 1:15 PM


 



http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-Pennsylvan ia-24110- flat-car_ W0QQitemZ1403992 99970QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item20b0734 d82

The classic, half hole in almost the middle of the car, car.

Don't let this one pass by as they say.

RARE, only one of its kind.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60119 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay item
Bob,

Thank you so much for your kind offer, but I think you really need to let everyone have a shot at this car on ebay. O:)!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay item



Mike, I have one in my junk box downstairs with an almost identical divot. Other than that it's mint. If you want it I'll give it to you at a 'special" price.

Bob

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay item
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 1:15 PM



http://cgi.ebay com/American- Flyer-Pennsylvan ia-24110- flat-car_ W0QQitemZ1403992 99970QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item20b0734 d82

The classic, half hole in almost the middle of the car, car.

Don't let this one pass by as they say.

RARE, only one of its kind.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60120 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/14/2010
Subject: Wednesday at NTTM
Once again, I am encouraging everyone to join us at NTTM on Wednesday,
April 21st. I am also encouragaing anyone attending to use one of our "Shuttle
Parking Lots". The Shuttle bus runs on a prox 15 minute headway, parking is
going to be much reduced at NTTM due to ongoing construction of the sewer
plant.

You could save time and GAS by going to the STRASBURG RAILROAD (SRR),
CHOO-CHOO BARN (CCB)
RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PENNSYLVANIA (RRMPA) EAST lot, Pick up points at each
location will have signs.. and riding the Shuttle bus into NTTM OR parking in
the designated areas at the RED CABOOSE MOTEL (RCM) and walking the short
distance to NTTM.

Restaurants are expected to be open for lunch & dinner at Choo-Choo Barn,
lunch at Strasburg RR. Red Caboose Restaurant will be open from 0730 thru
dinner.

TRAINS will be running on the STRASBURG, RRMPA will be open, CHOO-CHOO Barn
will be open.

You may ride the shuttle as many times as you wish.

We have a limited number, but, more than required "Handicap" spaces.
Spaces marked off are marked off for a purpose, we don't have extra cones.


THANK YOU, HOPE YOU JOIN US.

Jim Lyle, Parking Crew


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60121 From: aztecfan Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: He said Gilbert was a streight shooter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60122 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: Re: Rare Circus cage on Ebay
Yes they do...and 95% of my circus loads are repros and homebuilts...but no one ever reproduced the "rare early" colors. Oh well...the search is most of the fun, so I hear. York is coming up. I always keep my eyes peeled!! One never knows what he will see.

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60123 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: Want to Buy - NTTM Tank Car
Hi All,

I'm interested in buying a "S" Gauge National Toy Train Museum tank car. If anyone has one they would like to part with please let me know.

Thanks,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 60124 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
This style of house must be a classic one. I have seen houses like it
in the SF bay area, particularly around San Jose. Does anyone know
what the architectural style is called?

Dale


>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60125 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Fire Tower and Hose Sheds
I made a BTS Fire Water Tower and 3 of the 6 hose sheds that came with for the layout.

The last thing that was made for these was the little ladders that go on the sheds.

I told Linda that this part is complete as the ladders are done.

Linda wanted to know if Hugo and Che had employee training on how to use the hoses.

I said no, as they where just use the hoses on each other.

Those employees!

Corrugated Box Company had a small blip with some parts missing. Phil of Lehigh Valley Models is cutting these parts for me.

On another note, Bill Trappen from FL and his wife Rosemary are coming by on Wednesday to see the layout. He sent me a traffic light for the layout and I hope to have that on the layout this weekend. It will be behind the Piggyback truck loader/unloader, as the ramp goes down to a huge truck parking lot. Hugo is very concern about safety in the town of D&K RR.

One week till York!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60126 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Ebay
A good story about Ebay.

A seller, who has over 900 sales on ebay, was selling a EX+ 21139 Northern engine but it had original factory replacement number boards, which was okay, but the numbers where not stamped as well as the original and one had a paint chip, small.

I asked him about the number boards, as I was not sure what OFR where as Mike Strickland helped explain it to me and the seller responded very quickly about.

He told me he also had a LN new one with the box. I told him I was interesting in this, as I needed this engine to finish a set from 1959 as I have all the cars in E+/LN that I got Feb. 2, 1992 as I have the check for the cars right here. LOL I got this set of cars from the late Charlie Pohlman who owned the Original Toy Trains Unlimited in Hanover PA. Charlie was a character but a good guy. He was walking around a train show in MD with this box of cars, one of those multiple cardboard boxes to hold cars in it. Not only did he have the cars, but he had a 979 Caboose in the box. I wrote him a check for 950.00.

Charlie sadly was gunned down at his Shoppe in a robbery in the mid 90's I think as they never found the killer in a senseless killing that netted the killer very little money.

Charlie's store was something else, lots of trains, piles of junk everywhere, and I mean all type of things, shoes, clothing, trains, just in piles, as he let you search for things. I found a control button in one of the piles that was for the AF Oil Drum Loader and I asked how much. He said nothing. He could of at least got 10 for it, but Charlie was that type of person, he needed to make money to live, but he was very generous in many ways. You could talk to him for ever. He looked like the professor in the movie Back to the Future, but less hair, bald at the top, more of a Frank Purdue look.

Anyway, from my contacting this person on ebay about a question on the engine, I was able to land a pretty nice LN 21139 for 1550 with the box as it includes shipping and insurance.

Now I need another 21139 for a 1958 set.

So, ebay is good in many ways, as this person lives on the west coast and it allowed me to see a pretty nice EX+ 21139 but come away with a LN one. The EX+ one would of been okay, as it went for 1280.00. But I am very happy to have this LN one with better number boards.

So, the budget for York is pretty taken. LOL

But it will be fun to walk around and see friends and maybe another 21139. LOL

I think the only 21139 I have seen at York belong to Gary Clark, as I have many things from Gary and Laura.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60127 From: richs009 Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
Lots of houses like that in the Berkeley area too -- I think its referred to as "California Bungalow" - derivative from Arts and Craft style houses.

I am still blown away by the modeling and photography work by the creator of both. Simply amazing and in some cases, scarily realistic.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
>
> This style of house must be a classic one. I have seen houses like it
> in the SF bay area, particularly around San Jose. Does anyone know
> what the architectural style is called?
>
> Dale
>
>
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60128 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] photo caption contest
Upon my suggestion the TTML (TCA list) is having a caption contest for that poor gondola with semi half circle taken out of a side wall.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jlechner2001
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: [toytrains] photo caption contest



< Hey, I like that! Too bad we could not have a picture caption contest. LOL >

Hey, I like THAT! TTMLers are hereby invited to submit humorous captions for this photo of a Gilbert American Flyer #24410 Pennsylvania Railroad gondola. Please use the phrase "photo caption contest" in the subject line of your post. Entries will be held until 9:00 P.M EDT on Saturday, April 17, 2010 after which they will be evaluated by a distinguished panel of judges.

If we get lots of entertaining captions, we may award a prize for the best entry.

The subject gondola in the link below might be awarded as a booby prize if there is a particularly bad entry. LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Pennsylvania-24110-flat-car_W0QQitemZ140399299970QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item20b0734d82

It's tax day, so let's have some fun.

Joseph Lechner





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60129 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Mike,
I agree you about Charlie Pohlman, he was a character and a really close friend. I need to correct you on one thing though, the robber used a knife on him, no need to go into details any further on how. Over the years I spent many hours with him in the shop, going out for pie or ice cream and on trips to buy train collections and many other outings. Ron Boresella, who took over the Toy Trains Unlimited name, was also very close to Charlie. One of the reasons he did so was to honor Charlie. His shop is about a mile from the old location and is beginning to take on that look of the old shop, with plenty of old Lionel and American Flyer, but on a larger scale.

Harwood





-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>
Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 9:48 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay




A good story about Ebay.

A seller, who has over 900 sales on ebay, was selling a EX+ 21139 Northern engine but it had original factory replacement number boards, which was okay, but the numbers where not stamped as well as the original and one had a paint chip, small.

I asked him about the number boards, as I was not sure what OFR where as Mike Strickland helped explain it to me and the seller responded very quickly about.

He told me he also had a LN new one with the box. I told him I was interesting in this, as I needed this engine to finish a set from 1959 as I have all the cars in E+/LN that I got Feb. 2, 1992 as I have the check for the cars right here. LOL I got this set of cars from the late Charlie Pohlman who owned the Original Toy Trains Unlimited in Hanover PA. Charlie was a character but a good guy. He was walking around a train show in MD with this box of cars, one of those multiple cardboard boxes to hold cars in it. Not only did he have the cars, but he had a 979 Caboose in the box. I wrote him a check for 950.00.

Charlie sadly was gunned down at his Shoppe in a robbery in the mid 90's I think as they never found the killer in a senseless killing that netted the killer very little money.

Charlie's store was something else, lots of trains, piles of junk everywhere, and I mean all type of things, shoes, clothing, trains, just in piles, as he let you search for things. I found a control button in one of the piles that was for the AF Oil Drum Loader and I asked how much. He said nothing. He could of at least got 10 for it, but Charlie was that type of person, he needed to make money to live, but he was very generous in many ways. You could talk to him for ever. He looked like the professor in the movie Back to the Future, but less hair, bald at the top, more of a Frank Purdue look.

Anyway, from my contacting this person on ebay about a question on the engine, I was able to land a pretty nice LN 21139 for 1550 with the box as it includes shipping and insurance.

Now I need another 21139 for a 1958 set.

So, ebay is good in many ways, as this person lives on the west coast and it allowed me to see a pretty nice EX+ 21139 but come away with a LN one. The EX+ one would of been okay, as it went for 1280.00. But I am very happy to have this LN one with better number boards.

So, the budget for York is pretty taken. LOL

But it will be fun to walk around and see friends and maybe another 21139. LOL

I think the only 21139 I have seen at York belong to Gary Clark, as I have many things from Gary and Laura.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60130 From: George Cohn Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] photo caption contest
michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Upon my suggestion the TTML (TCA list) is having a caption contest for
> that poor gondola with semi half circle taken out of a side wall.

After paying my taxes yesterday, all I can think of for a caption would
be, "Don't let the tax man take a bite out of your collection." :-(

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60131 From: race944t Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: S-Trains at York
Are there any plans for us to get together at York? I guess we will all be at the "Flyer Nut" meeting at Reliance, right? Did anyone do an "S-Trains" badge this year?

"Banker" Bill Clark
Blue K-21
Group: S-Trains Message: 60132 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Hi All,

I'm hooking up my accessories on the new layout and have not decided on the type of buttons to use. For the American Flyer accessories it's an easy answer - I use the original American Flyer buttons. For the newer Flyonel and MTH accessories, most have really cheap small buttons that don't look very dependable. I have seen a lot of layouts at public events and most of those use round buttons that look to be a couple of inches in diameter. They remind me of those battery operated stick-on lights you see advertised by the late Billy Mays on TV. They work well for the little kids that attend the train shows. I've searched the web and can't find any round pushbuttons except very small ones.

I'm thinking about using small project boxes from Radio Shack and mounting pushbutton switches in the box. These boxes are black and not much larger than an American Flyer button so they should fit in well. I will mount them on the facade around the layout close to each accessory. Anyway that's what I'm currently thinking.

What clever ideas do you guys use? What works for you and what doesn't? All ideas are greatly appreciated!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60133 From: Dave Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: HOOD DAIRY'S Decal Set
We have a NEW REEFER SET to offer. It is for H.P. HOOD & SONS DAIRY. This is the one with the cow face in a circle. Just right for the B&M or Mass. collector. For those of you that are interested please follow the link below to view here in the group album and the second link is at our web site if you care to order a set. The price is $11.99 per set which includes shipping

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/ordinal



http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html


For further information PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60134 From: race944t Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Circus metal cages
If anyone is interested, I'll have two circus flat cars with reproduction metal cages. Before you get too excited I need to say that they are not in the best of shape. The roofs are broken in places and at least one of the tractors looks like it was in a wreck.

Come by my table to view for yourself.

"Banker" Bill Clark
Blue K-21
Group: S-Trains Message: 60135 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Bull, David,

Simple, use original AF or repro AF buttons to go along with your real AF buttons. You will have a consistent look with all your buttons.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?



Hi All,

I'm hooking up my accessories on the new layout and have not decided on the type of buttons to use. For the American Flyer accessories it's an easy answer - I use the original American Flyer buttons. For the newer Flyonel and MTH accessories, most have really cheap small buttons that don't look very dependable. I have seen a lot of layouts at public events and most of those use round buttons that look to be a couple of inches in diameter. They remind me of those battery operated stick-on lights you see advertised by the late Billy Mays on TV. They work well for the little kids that attend the train shows. I've searched the web and can't find any round pushbuttons except very small ones.

I'm thinking about using small project boxes from Radio Shack and mounting pushbutton switches in the box. These boxes are black and not much larger than an American Flyer button so they should fit in well. I will mount them on the facade around the layout close to each accessory. Anyway that's what I'm currently thinking.

What clever ideas do you guys use? What works for you and what doesn't? All ideas are greatly appreciated!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60136 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Hi There BG,

I am currently building some controls using those very Radio Shack
project boxes. In this case, I am using them for DPDT switches to
control Circuitron Tortoises on my Gargraves turnouts. For indicators, I
am using screw-in LEDs in the E10 size. These things fit standard E10
sockets like the ones in Flyer controls.

I am also applying MTH red and green bubble lenses to my Flyer switch
controls to cover the lamps. One reason is that I also have 3-rail MTH
track and switches on my layout. That gives a family appearance to all
three types of controls. I painted the MTH control boxes black to match
the Flyer ones. I am slowly switching all the indicator lamps over to
the screw in LED types. They use less power and will not get hot enough
to melt things if they are left on a long time. Some require a little
grinding of the plastic lens to fit.

For push buttons, I like original Flyer buttons when I can get them.
When not available, I prefer the large Lionel buttons. Those things are
big and round with black bodies (matches Flyer controls) and the orange
buttons. As a matter of taste, I avoid the winky, little miniature
switches.

If I ever get another chance to visit an S-Spree, I'll bring a small
layout with some examples. Until then, I'll post pictures Real Soon Now.

Bill
Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?

Hi All,

I'm hooking up my accessories on the new layout and have not decided on
the type of buttons to use. For the American Flyer accessories it's an
easy answer - I use the original American Flyer buttons. For the newer
Flyonel and MTH accessories, most have really cheap small buttons that
don't look very dependable. I have seen a lot of layouts at public
events and most of those use round buttons that look to be a couple of
inches in diameter. They remind me of those battery operated stick-on
lights you see advertised by the late Billy Mays on TV. They work well
for the little kids that attend the train shows. I've searched the web
and can't find any round pushbuttons except very small ones.

I'm thinking about using small project boxes from Radio Shack and
mounting pushbutton switches in the box. These boxes are black and not
much larger than an American Flyer button so they should fit in well. I
will mount them on the facade around the layout close to each accessory.
Anyway that's what I'm currently thinking.

What clever ideas do you guys use? What works for you and what doesn't?
All ideas are greatly appreciated!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60137 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
Check Joe Haenn, Freddie Jester, Doug Peck, SHS, Barry King, they should
ALL have a repro Flyer style button, printed and unprinted for your purposes.
PVMR uses lighted and UN-lighted door bell buttons, cheap when then fail.
You NEED the UN-lighted when connecting to an electronic circuit, the light
will flow enough electric to trigger the circuit.


Jim "Tinplate Ties at F-12 in the ORANGE Hall" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60138 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay
Harwood,

Thanks for the correction and yes, no need to go into detail.

I am glad he was a friend to you and you have many great memories of Charlie.

No, to look like the old Shoppe Ron needs to have piles of junk in the shop, meaning non train things. Okay, how about one pile of junk in his memory. O:)!

Harwood, do you know who was behind a gray phamlet.sp. with all the train shoppes listed from Gettysburg to Hanover, as I think their where about 5 shoppes listed. The ones I remember where Carvers in Gettysburg, B&E Junction in New Oxford, as sadly Bill sold the place and it was moved to York, not the same anymore, as E stood for Ellie, Charlie's Shoppe the Shoppe between Gettysburg and New Oxford that was own by a lady, who sold mostly Marx, and the rest I do not remember as I have that phamlet somewhere still. Not sure if Gilberts in Gettysburg was in it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay





Mike,
I agree you about Charlie Pohlman, he was a character and a really close friend. I need to correct you on one thing though, the robber used a knife on him, no need to go into details any further on how. Over the years I spent many hours with him in the shop, going out for pie or ice cream and on trips to buy train collections and many other outings. Ron Boresella, who took over the Toy Trains Unlimited name, was also very close to Charlie. One of the reasons he did so was to honor Charlie. His shop is about a mile from the old location and is beginning to take on that look of the old shop, with plenty of old Lionel and American Flyer, but on a larger scale.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>
Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 9:48 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay

A good story about Ebay.

A seller, who has over 900 sales on ebay, was selling a EX+ 21139 Northern engine but it had original factory replacement number boards, which was okay, but the numbers where not stamped as well as the original and one had a paint chip, small.

I asked him about the number boards, as I was not sure what OFR where as Mike Strickland helped explain it to me and the seller responded very quickly about.

He told me he also had a LN new one with the box. I told him I was interesting in this, as I needed this engine to finish a set from 1959 as I have all the cars in E+/LN that I got Feb. 2, 1992 as I have the check for the cars right here. LOL I got this set of cars from the late Charlie Pohlman who owned the Original Toy Trains Unlimited in Hanover PA. Charlie was a character but a good guy. He was walking around a train show in MD with this box of cars, one of those multiple cardboard boxes to hold cars in it. Not only did he have the cars, but he had a 979 Caboose in the box. I wrote him a check for 950.00.

Charlie sadly was gunned down at his Shoppe in a robbery in the mid 90's I think as they never found the killer in a senseless killing that netted the killer very little money.

Charlie's store was something else, lots of trains, piles of junk everywhere, and I mean all type of things, shoes, clothing, trains, just in piles, as he let you search for things. I found a control button in one of the piles that was for the AF Oil Drum Loader and I asked how much. He said nothing. He could of at least got 10 for it, but Charlie was that type of person, he needed to make money to live, but he was very generous in many ways. You could talk to him for ever. He looked like the professor in the movie Back to the Future, but less hair, bald at the top, more of a Frank Purdue look.

Anyway, from my contacting this person on ebay about a question on the engine, I was able to land a pretty nice LN 21139 for 1550 with the box as it includes shipping and insurance.

Now I need another 21139 for a 1958 set.

So, ebay is good in many ways, as this person lives on the west coast and it allowed me to see a pretty nice EX+ 21139 but come away with a LN one. The EX+ one would of been okay, as it went for 1280.00. But I am very happy to have this LN one with better number boards.

So, the budget for York is pretty taken. LOL

But it will be fun to walk around and see friends and maybe another 21139. LOL

I think the only 21139 I have seen at York belong to Gary Clark, as I have many things from Gary and Laura.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60139 From: The Reardon's Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new S house
That is a "Craftsman" style. Probably built in the period between the two World Wars. Also, quite a number of this type was sold as a "kit" by such companies as Sears & Roebuck, etc.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Possible new S house



This style of house must be a classic one. I have seen houses like it
in the SF bay area, particularly around San Jose. Does anyone know
what the architectural style is called?

Dale

>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60140 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Hey all ,
I'm looking for a wiring diagram for the 378 Texas & Pacific Dummy unit . I looked in the K Line American flyer repair manual and on Portline Hobbies website but nothing there . Does anyone know where I can find one or can some one email me one ? Thank's , Andy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60141 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
I have a lot of the early post war buttons with no specific accessory name that I use for this. Doorbell buttons work for generic applications as well
 
Bill Drake

--- On Fri, 4/16/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 11:04 AM


 



Hi All,

I'm hooking up my accessories on the new layout and have not decided on the type of buttons to use. For the American Flyer accessories it's an easy answer - I use the original American Flyer buttons. For the newer Flyonel and MTH accessories, most have really cheap small buttons that don't look very dependable. I have seen a lot of layouts at public events and most of those use round buttons that look to be a couple of inches in diameter. They remind me of those battery operated stick-on lights you see advertised by the late Billy Mays on TV. They work well for the little kids that attend the train shows. I've searched the web and can't find any round pushbuttons except very small ones.

I'm thinking about using small project boxes from Radio Shack and mounting pushbutton switches in the box. These boxes are black and not much larger than an American Flyer button so they should fit in well. I will mount them on the facade around the layout close to each accessory. Anyway that's what I'm currently thinking.

What clever ideas do you guys use? What works for you and what doesn't? All ideas are greatly appreciated!

BG1











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60142 From: George Cohn Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: Favorite Pest
Am I the only one who gets "blessed" with two or three incomprehensible
e-mails from our favorite pest every time I post?

I don't post that often but every time I do, I get at least that many
messages from him, always offering to sell something or chiding me if
the message is not exactly on topic.

I don't usually notice them as they get filtered directly to trash but
once in a while I scan through the trash before deleting it and see them.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60143 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/16/2010
Subject: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Hi All,

Thanks for all the comments so far. I have a pile of American Flyer buttons and have been using them for the accessories that use a "hold in" for ON and a release for OFF. I have a label maker to identify their use.

What do you suggest for single pole - single throw ON-OFF switches for accessories like floodlight towers, oil derricks, smoking dinners, etc. that are either ON or OFF. Or for the barrel loader that has one switch for the lights (ON-OFF) and another switch to run the loader (Hold for ON).

The Lionel and MTH ON-OFF buttons are really cheap looking. Some of them have tiny little screws for the wiring connections - if you do manage to get a wire under the screw you can hardly tighten the screw enough to hold the wire. Bump it good and the wire gets loose or falls off.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60144 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
If you want to maintain a consistent appearance, use the same buttons,
but with a rotary control, such as was used on the Baggage Smasher
control.

We have rotary switches available separately, for use in rebuilding
damaged AF control buttons.



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/>

www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/>

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.





<<<<Thanks for all the comments so far. I have a pile of American Flyer
buttons and have been using them for the accessories that use a "hold
in" for ON and a release for OFF. I have a label maker to identify their
use.
What do you suggest for single pole - single throw ON-OFF switches for
accessories like floodlight towers, oil derricks, smoking dinners, etc.
that are either ON or OFF. Or for the barrel loader that has one switch
for the lights (ON-OFF) and another switch to run the loader (Hold for
ON).>>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.flyerparts.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60145 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Dear BG,
Our 01205 toggle switch might just fit the bill. We had out
builder place a single pole, single throw toggle switch in our AF
repro button base. It is intended for turning sidings on and off, but
would work just fine for when you need more than just momentary
current..
Don

On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:17 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Thanks for all the comments so far. I have a pile of American Flyer
> buttons and have been using them for the accessories that use a
> "hold in" for ON and a release for OFF. I have a label maker to
> identify their use.
>
> What do you suggest for single pole - single throw ON-OFF switches
> for accessories like floodlight towers, oil derricks, smoking
> dinners, etc. that are either ON or OFF. Or for the barrel loader
> that has one switch for the lights (ON-OFF) and another switch to
> run the loader (Hold for ON).
>
> The Lionel and MTH ON-OFF buttons are really cheap looking. Some of
> them have tiny little screws for the wiring connections - if you do
> manage to get a wire under the screw you can hardly tighten the
> screw enough to hold the wire. Bump it good and the wire gets loose
> or falls off.
>
> BG1
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60146 From: grant Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use?
BG
I had the same problem and spent a lot of time & $ trying out different solutions that did not sit well with me
Always loved the classic look of the old buttons so I found a Brother Label maker PT-1750. There are not a lot of label makers that have Black tape with white lettering but this one does and you can match up the font & size of the old flyer buttons and relabel them for the new stuff and toss the crap cheap buttons!
Some old flyer buttons are a dime a dozen at train shows - I buy a dozen and relabel them for the new stuff & the rare buttons I won't pay top dollar for.
Pretty cool when you see a control table full of the old buttons that don't exist.
BTW - I can't tell which are the real ones & which are my creation unless I look long and hard. I've seen a few people look puzzled when they knew something was new Lionel but yet I had a 50s flyer button for it.
You are the 1st train person I told my little secret too so mum's the word :)
Grant

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm hooking up my accessories on the new layout and have not decided on the type of buttons to use. For the American Flyer accessories it's an easy answer - I use the original American Flyer buttons. For the newer Flyonel and MTH accessories, most have really cheap small buttons that don't look very dependable. I have seen a lot of layouts at public events and most of those use round buttons that look to be a couple of inches in diameter. They remind me of those battery operated stick-on lights you see advertised by the late Billy Mays on TV. They work well for the little kids that attend the train shows. I've searched the web and can't find any round pushbuttons except very small ones.
>
> I'm thinking about using small project boxes from Radio Shack and mounting pushbutton switches in the box. These boxes are black and not much larger than an American Flyer button so they should fit in well. I will mount them on the facade around the layout close to each accessory. Anyway that's what I'm currently thinking.
>
> What clever ideas do you guys use? What works for you and what doesn't? All ideas are greatly appreciated!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60147 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
Once more, into the fray. I like the paddle switches from Jameco
(317850). They are DPDT, but, will serve perfectly as SPST. They include
a metal face plate that is printed with ON and ON. I either repaint it
and add my own decals or just turn it over. These are heavy-duty
switches that will handle plenty of current. They are rated 10 amps at
250 volts. Since we use about 1/10th that voltage, they would be safe up
to 30 amps. Buy them in lots of at least 10 and they are only $1.75.

SPST switches seem like they ought to be less costly, but, I have not
found that to be so.

I use a hand reamer to enlarge the mounting holes I drill.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2

Hi All,

Thanks for all the comments so far. I have a pile of American Flyer
buttons and have been using them for the accessories that use a "hold
in" for ON and a release for OFF. I have a label maker to identify
their use.

What do you suggest for single pole - single throw ON-OFF switches for
accessories like floodlight towers, oil derricks, smoking dinners, etc.
that are either ON or OFF. Or for the barrel loader that has one switch
for the lights (ON-OFF) and another switch to run the loader (Hold for
ON).

The Lionel and MTH ON-OFF buttons are really cheap looking. Some of
them have tiny little screws for the wiring connections - if you do
manage to get a wire under the screw you can hardly tighten the screw
enough to hold the wire. Bump it good and the wire gets loose or falls
off.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60148 From: Jerry Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: Favorite Pest/buttons
Hi George,

I am willing to bet thet we all are similarly "blessed" from time to time. Luckily, it's not constant, and we are on a rotating schedule.

I have set my email program not only to deposit his missives in the trash, but to send an automatic reply. Nothing mean or nasty, simply to let him know that I don't appreciate hearing from him.

In response to a current topic on this forum, I have just finished a small "hands-on" layout for our club which will be at the 2010 Spring Spree here in Dearborn, MI. It has 8 accessories to operate, and I've used simple, unlit doorbell buttons installed flush with the fascia boards to activate the accessories. They seem to work fine, but we haven't had a "shakedown" of the layout yet. We will debut it at the Spree.

Jerry



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> Am I the only one who gets "blessed" with two or three incomprehensible
> e-mails from our favorite pest every time I post?
>
> I don't post that often but every time I do, I get at least that many
> messages from him, always offering to sell something or chiding me if
> the message is not exactly on topic.
>
> I don't usually notice them as they get filtered directly to trash but
> once in a while I scan through the trash before deleting it and see them.
>
> George Cohn
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60149 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2
For labeling, I use the computer and address labels printed out and cut down to size.

That is mainly for me to see what uncoupler button works where.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] What Type Layout Buttons Do You Use? - Part 2



Hi All,

Thanks for all the comments so far. I have a pile of American Flyer buttons and have been using them for the accessories that use a "hold in" for ON and a release for OFF. I have a label maker to identify their use.

What do you suggest for single pole - single throw ON-OFF switches for accessories like floodlight towers, oil derricks, smoking dinners, etc. that are either ON or OFF. Or for the barrel loader that has one switch for the lights (ON-OFF) and another switch to run the loader (Hold for ON).

The Lionel and MTH ON-OFF buttons are really cheap looking. Some of them have tiny little screws for the wiring connections - if you do manage to get a wire under the screw you can hardly tighten the screw enough to hold the wire. Bump it good and the wire gets loose or falls off.

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60150 From: Ben Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Prewar #806 3/16" Northern for sale
I have a very good running and operating Prewar Northern with good wheels and straight casting/good lettering for sale for sale for $550. Very nice locomotive!

Can deliver to April York.

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 60151 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Gray phamplet
Mike, that was a concerted effort by Charlie and Bill to do that. I will tell Ron that he needs to junk the place up a bit to be on par with Charlie.

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay




Harwood,

Thanks for the correction and yes, no need to go into detail.

I am glad he was a friend to you and you have many great memories of Charlie.

No, to look like the old Shop Ron needs to have piles of junk in the shop, meaning non train things. Okay, how about one pile of junk in his memory. O:)!

Harwood, do you know who was behind a gray phamplet. with all the train shops listed from Gettysburg to Hanover, as I think their where about 5 shops listed. The ones I remember where Carver's in Gettysburg, B&E Junction in New Oxford, as sadly Bill sold the place and it was moved to York, not the same anymore, as E stood for Ellie, Charlie's shop the shop between Gettysburg and New Oxford that was own by a lady, who sold mostly Marx, and the rest I do not remember as I have that phamplet somewhere still. Not sure if Gilberts in Gettysburg was in it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay

Mike,
I agree you about Charlie Pohlman, he was a character and a really close friend. I need to correct you on one thing though, the robber used a knife on him, no need to go into details any further on how. Over the years I spent many hours with him in the shop, going out for pie or ice cream and on trips to buy train collections and many other outings. Ron Boresella, who took over the Toy Trains Unlimited name, was also very close to Charlie. One of the reasons he did so was to honor Charlie. His shop is about a mile from the old location and is beginning to take on that look of the old shop, with plenty of old Lionel and American Flyer, but on a larger scale.

Harwood






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Group: S-Trains Message: 60152 From: Ben Date: 4/17/2010
Subject: Re: Circus metal cages
Bill-

I would like to take a look. I have two nice metal wagon repros...never saw any of the trucks. I will be in York just after noon on Thursday. I will stop in and see you.

Thanks! Ben



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested, I'll have two circus flat cars with reproduction metal cages. Before you get too excited I need to say that they are not in the best of shape. The roofs are broken in places and at least one of the tractors looks like it was in a wreck.
>
> Come by my table to view for yourself.
>
> "Banker" Bill Clark
> Blue K-21
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60154 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gray phamplet
Harwood,

Thanks for letting me know, it was nicely done.

LOL that would be great just to have a mini pile in his store to keep the memory alive.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Gray phamplet




Mike, that was a concerted effort by Charlie and Bill to do that. I will tell Ron that he needs to junk the place up a bit to be on par with Charlie.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay

Harwood,

Thanks for the correction and yes, no need to go into detail.

I am glad he was a friend to you and you have many great memories of Charlie.

No, to look like the old Shop Ron needs to have piles of junk in the shop, meaning non train things. Okay, how about one pile of junk in his memory. O:)!

Harwood, do you know who was behind a gray phamplet. with all the train shops listed from Gettysburg to Hanover, as I think their where about 5 shops listed. The ones I remember where Carver's in Gettysburg, B&E Junction in New Oxford, as sadly Bill sold the place and it was moved to York, not the same anymore, as E stood for Ellie, Charlie's shop the shop between Gettysburg and New Oxford that was own by a lady, who sold mostly Marx, and the rest I do not remember as I have that phamplet somewhere still. Not sure if Gilberts in Gettysburg was in it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay

Mike,
I agree you about Charlie Pohlman, he was a character and a really close friend. I need to correct you on one thing though, the robber used a knife on him, no need to go into details any further on how. Over the years I spent many hours with him in the shop, going out for pie or ice cream and on trips to buy train collections and many other outings. Ron Boresella, who took over the Toy Trains Unlimited name, was also very close to Charlie. One of the reasons he did so was to honor Charlie. His shop is about a mile from the old location and is beginning to take on that look of the old shop, with plenty of old Lionel and American Flyer, but on a larger scale.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60155 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Ebay again
Today in the mail, s scale ice machines, finally arrived, that I got from someone on ebay.

They where sent first class from Southeastern, PA on April 3 and arrived two weeks later.

I just purchased things from the state of Washington, awhile ago, S scale cars, etc. and they arrived first class in 2 days!

Not the sellers fault, but what is with the post office, having something from the next state to me take 2 weeks and something from the west coast took only 2 days!!!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60156 From: boblines51 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: York show
Hope to see some of you at York,I am leaving Sunday morning at 9:00 to set up at the fire hall.Happy hunting Bob Persing
Group: S-Trains Message: 60157 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
I guess since I've had no response that that's a "no" huh ? Nobody out there has a wiring diagram for it ? Andy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugeandy" <sgaugeandy@...> wrote:
>
> Hey all ,
> I'm looking for a wiring diagram for the 378 Texas & Pacific Dummy unit . I looked in the K Line American flyer repair manual and on Portline Hobbies website but nothing there . Does anyone know where I can find one or can some one email me one ? Thank's , Andy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60158 From: Gene Cimino Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gray phamplet
Putting S and Gilberts in the same sentence is futile. Just for comparison, Tommy hardly has any O scale these days. Its strictly an HO store. Blue Ridge Summit's Mainline Hobby has a small amount of new S and is by far the "general" model railroad shop of choice in the area. They have everything you need to build a train pike.

Ron's Toy Trains Unlimited in Hanover is your best bet for S (mostly Flyer though). He does have some SHS and a bit of American Models stuff as well. Carver's has a good bit of old flyer and Marx. He is in G'burg. I think Ron gives the best deals of anyone in the area. Don Carver has a ton of old P'ville, but the prices are a bit high. He is selling to collectors. I like to bash P'ville, so what he has is a bit too costly to cut up.

Also, for me the good part of living in Hanover is that I get to see real trains come through. We have York Rail and CSX. I can go over to York and see NS as well. Also it isn't that far to Enola to see the old PRR yard and the Rockville Bridge. Lots and lots of NS trains there these days.

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 60159 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay again
Hi Mike,

It is not just the Post Office. I bought some things from Ready To Roll
in Miami. That is two counties away. They shipped the next day via UPS.
I could track the package. It took 10 days to arrive. I make that out to
be about 8 miles per day. Not exactly the tightest ship, I guess.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:55 PM
To: Toy Trains; S Scale; S trains
Cc: Jeff Scozzaro
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay again

Today in the mail, s scale ice machines, finally arrived, that I got
from someone on ebay.

They where sent first class from Southeastern, PA on April 3 and arrived
two weeks later.

I just purchased things from the state of Washington, awhile ago, S
scale cars, etc. and they arrived first class in 2 days!

Not the sellers fault, but what is with the post office, having
something from the next state to me take 2 weeks and something from the
west coast took only 2 days!!!

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60160 From: richs009 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Oops, its Harrington -- sorry Chuck. Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugeandy" <sgaugeandy@...> wrote:
>
> I guess since I've had no response that that's a "no" huh ? Nobody out there has a wiring diagram for it ? Andy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugeandy" <sgaugeandy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all ,
> > I'm looking for a wiring diagram for the 378 Texas & Pacific Dummy unit . I looked in the K Line American flyer repair manual and on Portline Hobbies website but nothing there . Does anyone know where I can find one or can some one email me one ? Thank's , Andy
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60161 From: richs009 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Andy -- Chuck Herrington at myflyertrains.org (no www) has compiled a "nearly complete" set of repair manuals for AF trains. There isn't a wiring diagram explicitly for the 378 (the dummy unit), but take a look at some of the B-units that contain both diesel roar and horn. See, for example, http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album209?page=20. There's also a discussion of some of this in the K-line book, p. 163.

Since I don't have one of these, hope this helps.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugeandy" <sgaugeandy@...> wrote:
>
> I guess since I've had no response that that's a "no" huh ? Nobody out there has a wiring diagram for it ? Andy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugeandy" <sgaugeandy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all ,
> > I'm looking for a wiring diagram for the 378 Texas & Pacific Dummy unit . I looked in the K Line American flyer repair manual and on Portline Hobbies website but nothing there . Does anyone know where I can find one or can some one email me one ? Thank's , Andy
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60162 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
In Greenberg's American Flyer Factory Manual

On pgs. 68 thru 82 lists parts and assy. dis-assy

for 374-375 and 377-378.

But it only has wiring diagrams for the 374/375.

Maybe you can assume they are the same?

I could scan the diagrams for you but Yahoo strips attachments from group
messages,

I would have to send them to your home address. (email)



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of richs009
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:48 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring





Oops, its Harrington -- sorry Chuck. Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"sgaugeandy" <sgaugeandy@...> wrote:
>
> I guess since I've had no response that that's a "no" huh ? Nobody out
there has a wiring diagram for it ? Andy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"sgaugeandy" <sgaugeandy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all ,
> > I'm looking for a wiring diagram for the 378 Texas & Pacific Dummy unit
. I looked in the K Line American flyer repair manual and on Portline
Hobbies website but nothing there . Does anyone know where I can find one or
can some one email me one ? Thank's , Andy
> >
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60163 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/18/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday April 18, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60164 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
You can post attachments to the Files section of S-Trains.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...> wrote:
>
> In Greenberg's American Flyer Factory Manual
>
> On pgs. 68 thru 82 lists parts and assy. dis-assy
>
> for 374-375 and 377-378.
>
> But it only has wiring diagrams for the 374/375.
>
> Maybe you can assume they are the same?
>
> I could scan the diagrams for you but Yahoo strips attachments from group
> messages,
>
> I would have to send them to your home address. (email)
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60165 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gray phamplet
Gene,

I don't think the pamphlet was just for promoting S, as it was more for letting people know where hobby shoppes where, as one store specialize in Marx trains. No longer there.

I have it somewhere and I will scan it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Cimino
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gray phamplet



Putting S and Gilberts in the same sentence is futile. Just for comparison, Tommy hardly has any O scale these days. Its strictly an HO store. Blue Ridge Summit's Mainline Hobby has a small amount of new S and is by far the "general" model railroad shop of choice in the area. They have everything you need to build a train pike.

Ron's Toy Trains Unlimited in Hanover is your best bet for S (mostly Flyer though). He does have some SHS and a bit of American Models stuff as well. Carver's has a good bit of old flyer and Marx. He is in G'burg. I think Ron gives the best deals of anyone in the area. Don Carver has a ton of old P'ville, but the prices are a bit high. He is selling to collectors. I like to bash P'ville, so what he has is a bit too costly to cut up.

Also, for me the good part of living in Hanover is that I get to see real trains come through. We have York Rail and CSX. I can go over to York and see NS as well. Also it isn't that far to Enola to see the old PRR yard and the Rockville Bridge. Lots and lots of NS trains there these days.

Gene Cimino





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60166 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: York show
What time do the fire hall/hotel shows start? 9 AM?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60167 From: Bruce Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.

Bruce



Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?
The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading


The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."

See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?

Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.

This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60168 From: ken_5556 Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
There probably isn't a wiring diagram because there is nothing inside,

except two bulbs wired in parallel. One wire goes to one truck while

the other wire from the same bulb goes to the other truck.

Now the other bulb; same thing. There is nothing else inside except

posibily a horn; one wire goes to one truck while the other goes thru

a capacitor and then to the other truck.

I suppose Gilbert figured that the only reason anyone would have to go

inside is to change a light bulb. And a wiring diagram wouldn't be

needed for that; or would it?????

That's probably why you didn't get any answers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60169 From: rpuls3 Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: layout
With the final "Badgerland" meeting of the season we had a short time of just having some fun and running some trains over, as it was described by one buddy, The Mary Kay layout with pink scenery. You may view if you wish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-W40UyIC_w
Group: S-Trains Message: 60170 From: Bruce Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Unfortunately, without the photos (which were included in the message I sent, but were eliminated by Yahoo) the meaning is kind of lost. Oh well. If anybody is interested, contact me and I will forward the message the way it was intended to be seen. It shows pictures of the Atomic Energy Lab and what came with it. Personally, I was enthralled by the offering by Gilbert and the loose way the country handled uranium back in the day. Kind of like when we old timers went to elementary school and our science teacher had us coat dimes with mercury with our bare fingers to see how shiny we could get them.

Bruce



From: Bruce
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952



Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.

Bruce

Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?
The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading

The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."

See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?

Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.

This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60171 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Bruce,

You could probably cut and paste the message into a Word document, save it and then upload the Word file to the S-Trains File Section.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, without the photos (which were included in the message I sent, but were eliminated by Yahoo) the meaning is kind of lost. Oh well. If anybody is interested, contact me and I will forward the message the way it was intended to be seen. It shows pictures of the Atomic Energy Lab and what came with it. Personally, I was enthralled by the offering by Gilbert and the loose way the country handled uranium back in the day. Kind of like when we old timers went to elementary school and our science teacher had us coat dimes with mercury with our bare fingers to see how shiny we could get them.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Bruce
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:32 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
>
>
>
> Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.
>
> Bruce
>
> Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?
> The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading
>
> The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."
>
> See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?
>
> Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.
>
> This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60172 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: layout
Are the trains controlled with DCC or TMCC ?

What kind of camera was used and how was it mounted?

Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 4/20/2010 9:27:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
rpuls3@... writes:




With the final "Badgerland" meeting of the season we had a short time of
just having some fun and running some trains over, as it was described by one
buddy, The Mary Kay layout with pink scenery. You may view if you wish.
_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yh_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-W40UyIC_w)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60173 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Bruce had sent this to a few of us in private before he sent it the list.

I remember seeing one time on ebay a Atomic Bomb game where on sent bombs on Japan. I said that was made by Gilbert, very tacky, but there is one on ebay right now, and you can not see the AC Gilbert on the game board.

Someone the private list confirmed it was a Gilbert product and I found this on the internet to confirm also.
===================================
Atomic Bomb Puzzle Made by A.C. Gilbert Company, New Haven, Connecticut, 1945- 1949,
and 1950-1960.

The Gilbert Company produced all sorts of puzzle boxes, usually sold in sets of six. One of these was the atomic bomb puzzle box which let players reenact the bombing of Japan. By the 1950s, the Gilbert Company had changed this puzzle box to represent a generic target. Courtesy of John Wickland.



http://www.authentichistory.com/1939-1945/2-homefront/3-anti-jap/Atomic_Bomb_Game_1945.html



Sad that Gilbert made this, but I guess it was the hype of the times and no sensitivity to others who where effected by it.

Mike Marmer

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:53 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952




Unfortunately, without the photos (which were included in the message I sent, but were eliminated by Yahoo) the meaning is kind of lost. Oh well. If anybody is interested, contact me and I will forward the message the way it was intended to be seen. It shows pictures of the Atomic Energy Lab and what came with it. Personally, I was enthralled by the offering by Gilbert and the loose way the country handled uranium back in the day. Kind of like when we old timers went to elementary school and our science teacher had us coat dimes with mercury with our bare fingers to see how shiny we could get them.

Bruce

From: Bruce
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952

Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.

Bruce

Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?
The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading

The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."

See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?

Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.

This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60174 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Ford Model T Models
Hi Folks,



Does anyone have a source for Model T Fords?



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60175 From: bcgsteam Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: B&O I-1 Caboose Kit Now Available
I have just posted in the FILES section a flyer describing the laser-cut kit of the B&O I-1 caboose that is now available...for the first time ever in "S". The flyer includes photos of the pilot model, details of the various options that are available to tailor the kit to your needs, and details on how you can place your reservations now.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60176 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: Re: D-1655 Banner
Hello Bill, if you go to american flyer O Gage you will see a poster just like the one I won the bid on. This is quicker then getting my wife to send the picture to you.  Mark

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:


From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 1:52 PM


 



thanks - looking forward to it
 
Bill

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Mark Speichert <mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net> wrote:

From: Mark Speichert <mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 11:14 AM

 

Bill, I have just enought abality to email you back and look at ebay. If I ask my wife she will do it for me it just asking my wife.   Mark
--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 10:36 AM

 

any chance of a photo?
 
Bill Drake

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mark Speichert <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net> wrote:

From: Mark Speichert <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:51 PM

 

Thanks Tom.

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:15 PM

 

Hi Mark,
D-1655 puts this number in the 1951 numbering system with catalogs.  I would imagine this item would list as NRS for no reported sales.  This appears to be of a very high value.
Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net> wrote:

From: mspeichert@sbcgloba l.net <mspeichert@ sbcgloba l.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] D-1655 Banner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:19 AM

Hello, I just purchased a 2 foot by 6 foot banner yellow and black. All I can find on it is the D-1655. I would like to know what the item might be worth. It is in excellent condition and is orignal, it came from michigan. Thanks Mark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60177 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/20/2010
Subject: YORK
In a message dated 4/20/2010 9:22:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes:

York

Mr Herr and I travelled to the wilds of York Pa, this date. First stop
Holodome (Holiday Inn, Rt 74). Most interior tables were set up, a few empty.
Less parking lot activity each show, but, vendors were there. Beautiful
day in the Susquehanna Valley. Next stop was Reliance Fire Hall, Freddie
Jestor is looking perkier, his daughter Amanda reports he is progressing.
Bobby Persing and I talked Plasticville parts, found the always lovely Barb in
attendance, also. Several empty tables, one walls worth not set up, guess
the Hazekamps will be in Orange Hall by Thursday. Other stalwarts missing
as well.
Last stop in York was at Springettsbury Fire Company, Barry King's half of
King-Jester. Arrived around lunch time, spent some time with President
Elect Ron Stowell & current V P Paul Edgar. Mood in the hall was jovial,
didn't see much money moving around. Stop and see Ed Stencler in "Silver
Hall", he has a "new" joke with him.
We DID get to Maple Donuts before Gordon Wilson (we think).
Holiday Inn/Billy Budd seems to be a non-entity.

PM spent at NTTM with the some of the Parking Crew, Paul Herr, Hank Worrel
& Tom Burns, setting plans to park with very limited spaces available due to
construction. . IF you are reading this before heading to NTTM on
Wednesday, PLEASE park at a "Shuttle Lot" and ride in. Will save time. The bus
is paid for.

See you in Strasburg,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60178 From: Steven Lunde Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: layout
Earl,
 
Ray runs TMCC.
 
Steve

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote:


From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 1:20 PM


 



Are the trains controlled with DCC or TMCC ?

What kind of camera was used and how was it mounted?

Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 4/20/2010 9:27:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
rpuls3@yahoo. com writes:

With the final "Badgerland" meeting of the season we had a short time of
just having some fun and running some trains over, as it was described by one
buddy, The Mary Kay layout with pink scenery. You may view if you wish.
_http://www.youtube. http://wwwhttp: //www.yh_
(http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=a-W40UyIC_ w)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60179 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: layout
All the trains are controlled with TMCC. The Gilbert engines in the video have driver and sound boards from Electric Railroad and much of the knowledge in doing the conversions was gleaned from Carls S Gauge Empire. Thank-you Carl Tuveson. The camera used was a Canon pocket camera, it was taped to a K-Line flat car pushed by a 342ac, nothing fancy.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60180 From: clayton deich Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Did you see the added Government offering 100 K for any one that finds Uranium deposit? That was printed on the paper work with the set at the time too.  I have a few of the lager chemistry sets, and my kids said that they could not understand why you would give a kid this as a gift. The sets had chemical that were very bad if taken.

 Scott D. Oregon

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 12:53 AM
















 











Unfortunately, without the photos (which were included in the message I sent, but were eliminated by Yahoo) the meaning is kind of lost. Oh well. If anybody is interested, contact me and I will forward the message the way it was intended to be seen. It shows pictures of the Atomic Energy Lab and what came with it. Personally, I was enthralled by the offering by Gilbert and the loose way the country handled uranium back in the day. Kind of like when we old timers went to elementary school and our science teacher had us coat dimes with mercury with our bare fingers to see how shiny we could get them.



Bruce



From: Bruce

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:32 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952



Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.



Bruce



Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?

The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading



The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."



See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?



Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.



This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60181 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
Who cares about Uranium, I want to know how the flies in the test tubes in your chemistry sets are holding up!!!! LOL

And yes, I ahd a Gilbert Chemistry set in the early 60's with one fly in test tube. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clayton deich
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952



Did you see the added Government offering 100 K for any one that finds Uranium deposit? That was printed on the paper work with the set at the time too. I have a few of the lager chemistry sets, and my kids said that they could not understand why you would give a kid this as a gift. The sets had chemical that were very bad if taken.

Scott D. Oregon

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 12:53 AM



Unfortunately, without the photos (which were included in the message I sent, but were eliminated by Yahoo) the meaning is kind of lost. Oh well. If anybody is interested, contact me and I will forward the message the way it was intended to be seen. It shows pictures of the Atomic Energy Lab and what came with it. Personally, I was enthralled by the offering by Gilbert and the loose way the country handled uranium back in the day. Kind of like when we old timers went to elementary school and our science teacher had us coat dimes with mercury with our bare fingers to see how shiny we could get them.

Bruce

From: Bruce

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:32 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952

Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.

Bruce

Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?

The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading

The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."

See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?

Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.

This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60182 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Parkin' in the Rain ( to the tune of "I saw you, just a walkin' in t
Ladies and Gentlemen,

NTTM activities start EARLY for the Parking Crew, Mr Herr and I were
setting cones at 0645 this date. On to breakfast meeting to plan strategy for
operating with 30+ fewer spaces, forecasted rain, on-site construction, etc.
The Crew left breakfast, heading in all directions to place directional signs
(to be ignored,) "Shuttle Stop" signs, etc.

STRASBURG RAILROAD, CHOO CHOO BARN, RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PA & RED CABOOSE
MOTEL were once again kind enough to share their parking facilities with us
this day. A tremendous help given to us freely twice a year, by a few of our
Strasburg Friends.

Got to meet my buddy from BACHMANN, Jeffro took a turn at setting up my SHS
display, Museum volunteers scurried around all day taking care of at least
a million details under Chairman Charlie. Got to chat briefly with the
ATLAS crew, need to catch them later in the week for some info. WEAVER was on
hand, missed their presentation. I did my S-helper Service presentation
again, wow, do they take a chance.


VP Paul Edgar spent the day at the registration desk along with Donna
Rogers and Tom Jaworski.


Only one car came close to running me down, some kind of record.

I had the pleasure of spending a few minutes with J Don Reese & Matt Ashba
of LIONEL fame this PM. I am taking my crippled 6-49038 RIO GRANDE WALKING
BRAKEMAN CAR along to YORK tomorrow, for Matt to take where-ever LIONEL
takes such things to figure out the problem. It is obvious to me ( I started to
help my father repair A/F in 1955 or 56) that the "pins" that are supposed
to hold the truck together are too flimsy. Matt says this is an "all of a
sudden issue", I mentioned that I think buyers are taking the stuff out of
boxes to evaluate it now. I also mentioned the tremendously FAST response
time from at least one of their rivals ( maybe Matt will catch my today's
YouTube on Satuday next, I'll send the link when I get it.)

My buddy Dave stopped by & introduced his new lady, (I questioned her
thinking, of course) I actually wish them both the VERY BEST.

Rained on our Museum festivities, at least on the Parking Crew, the local
weather forecaster was only off by about 7 hrs of rain & drizzle. We
towed one member of our expanded volunteer museum crew out of the mud, and that
was SANTA CLAUS (aka Tom Jaworski). The radioes are safely asleep in their
case, awaiting their ride home, the brilliant yellow hat is on its hook.
EVERYTHING else was soaked.

My little crew of "Merry Car Dodgers", Paul Herr, Dave McGuire, Tom Burns,
Hank Worrell, Howard Taylor & Mike Packi (absent due to health issues)
DESERVE your THANKS for doing a relatively thankless job, doing it well for
years and spending their own money for the privilege of doing so. I SALUTE THEM
for helping "control the chaos".

Recurring theme seems to be smaller group of meet attendees this time and
FAR less money being spent. Time will tell.

President Clem found another "home made" gem today, read the current
QUARTERLY about such matters. Clem seems to be able to find this stuff everywhere
he goes ( he goes everywhere).

Finally regaining feeling in my legs, getting ready to show the world
WARDIE-JAY'S Tinplate Ties in the ORANGE HALL the next three days, table F-12.
"Y'all stop by now, Ya hear???"

Jim "all packed on the Keystone Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60183 From: fahrwud Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/atomictoys/GilbertU238Lab.htm

Boy, that's almost as much fun as those x-ray machines they used to have in the shoe stores to check the shoes fit!

http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/shoefittingfluor/shoe.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 60184 From: clayton deich Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
 I do not have that one Mike, but it must be a high $ item if they are still alive. You could try Ebay! :))
 Clayton  Oregon
--- On Wed, 4/21/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 4:29 PM
















 









Who cares about Uranium, I want to know how the flies in the test tubes in your chemistry sets are holding up!!!! LOL



And yes, I ahd a Gilbert Chemistry set in the early 60's with one fly in test tube. LOL



Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: clayton deich

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952



Did you see the added Government offering 100 K for any one that finds Uranium deposit? That was printed on the paper work with the set at the time too. I have a few of the lager chemistry sets, and my kids said that they could not understand why you would give a kid this as a gift. The sets had chemical that were very bad if taken.



Scott D. Oregon



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From: Bruce <goatfarm@comcast. net>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com

Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 12:53 AM



Unfortunately, without the photos (which were included in the message I sent, but were eliminated by Yahoo) the meaning is kind of lost. Oh well. If anybody is interested, contact me and I will forward the message the way it was intended to be seen. It shows pictures of the Atomic Energy Lab and what came with it. Personally, I was enthralled by the offering by Gilbert and the loose way the country handled uranium back in the day. Kind of like when we old timers went to elementary school and our science teacher had us coat dimes with mercury with our bare fingers to see how shiny we could get them.



Bruce



From: Bruce



Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:32 PM



To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com



Subject: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952



Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.



Bruce



Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?



The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading



The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."



See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?



Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.



This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60185 From: ken_5556 Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Jay,

If the bulbs are wired in series, The wire goes from the transformer to first one bulb and then to the other bulb and then to common.
If they are wired in parallel, then each bulb has one wire to the transformer and the other to common.
If you have a 12v transformer, then you need 12 volt bulbs if you wire them in parallel.
You can use 2 - 6 volt bulbs in series. But if one bulb burns out then the other one goes out too. Not a good idea.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ken_5556" <k.prott@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> There probably isn't a wiring diagram because there is nothing inside,
>
> except two bulbs wired in parallel. One wire goes to one truck while
>
> the other wire from the same bulb goes to the other truck.
>
> Now the other bulb; same thing. There is nothing else inside except
>
> posibily a horn; one wire goes to one truck while the other goes thru
>
> a capacitor and then to the other truck.
>
> I suppose Gilbert figured that the only reason anyone would have to go
>
> inside is to change a light bulb. And a wiring diagram wouldn't be
>
> needed for that; or would it?????
>
> That's probably why you didn't get any answers.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60186 From: richs009 Date: 4/21/2010
Subject: air chime whistle
I just acquired a K325 with a built in 'horn', but no controller. None of my other locomotives have an 'air chime whistle'. Does anyone have experience with these? Are they worth 'repairing' in terms of the sound they make, etc.? Controllers are available on eBay for relatively little (whether they work is a separate question). My understanding is that these work by superposing a high frequency AC signal (~1000 Hz) on the track power that the speaker (and its accompanying RC filter) responds to. The horn buzzes now - presumably it shouldn't respond to 60 Hz, so I suppose RC filter will need to be looked at/replaced. Any thoughts/suggestions? I've thought about going the sound card route.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60187 From: Bruce Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 19
I've still got my chemistry set (minus a few pieces), but with the fly in the test tube! I haven't checked the condition of the fly in at least 20 years. I would bet it's mummified by now.

Bruce



From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:29 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952



Who cares about Uranium, I want to know how the flies in the test tubes in your chemistry sets are holding up!!!! LOL

And yes, I ahd a Gilbert Chemistry set in the early 60's with one fly in test tube. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clayton deich
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952

Did you see the added Government offering 100 K for any one that finds Uranium deposit? That was printed on the paper work with the set at the time too. I have a few of the lager chemistry sets, and my kids said that they could not understand why you would give a kid this as a gift. The sets had chemical that were very bad if taken.

Scott D. Oregon

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 12:53 AM

Unfortunately, without the photos (which were included in the message I sent, but were eliminated by Yahoo) the meaning is kind of lost. Oh well. If anybody is interested, contact me and I will forward the message the way it was intended to be seen. It shows pictures of the Atomic Energy Lab and what came with it. Personally, I was enthralled by the offering by Gilbert and the loose way the country handled uranium back in the day. Kind of like when we old timers went to elementary school and our science teacher had us coat dimes with mercury with our bare fingers to see how shiny we could get them.

Bruce

From: Bruce

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:32 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: [toytrains] Oddest Christmas Gift Ever Available from 1951 to 1952

Not a toy train, but interesting nonetheless.

Bruce

Bet you couldn't buy one of these today! Forget the replacement sources! U-238 Atomic Energy Lab: Oddest Christmas Gift Ever?

The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is possibly the oddest Christmas gift Santa has ever brought down the chimney. Available only from 1951 through 1952, the complex set cost a steep $50.00. Continue reading

The set came with four types of uranium ore, a beta-alpha source (Pb-210), a pure beta source (Ru-106), a gamma source (Zn-65?), a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber with its own short-lived alpha source (Po-210), an electroscope, a geiger counter, a manual, a comic book (Dagwood Splits the Atom) and a government manual "Prospecting for Uranium."

See! If Dagwood could split atoms in his kitchen right next to his triple decker sandwiches, how dangerous could it be?

Need to order more Uranium? Not without this coupon you won't.

This Geiger counter will make sure mom's dish towels stay free of those nasty isotopes.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60188 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Re: air chime whistle
About the best you can hope for is a sound somewhere between a croaking
frog and and a bumble bee...
Steve


In a message dated 04/21/2010 11:05:28 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
richs009@... writes:




I just acquired a K325 with a built in 'horn', but no controller. None of
my other locomotives have an 'air chime whistle'. Does anyone have
experience with these? Are they worth 'repairing' in terms of the sound they make,
etc.? Controllers are available on eBay for relatively little (whether they
work is a separate question). My understanding is that these work by
superposing a high frequency AC signal (~1000 Hz) on the track power that the
speaker (and its accompanying RC filter) responds to. The horn buzzes now -
presumably it shouldn't respond to 60 Hz, so I suppose RC filter will need to
be looked at/replaced. Any thoughts/suggestionI just acquired a K325 with
a built in 'horn', but no





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60189 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Re: air chime whistle
You will definitely want to replace the electrolytic capacitor in the tender. They have a limited life and one that old is likely filtering nothing.

The <no number> Electronic Whistle Control will give you a higher pitch if you can find one of those in working order. Most of these will need to be re-capped also.

I posted some mp3 files of a K325 with the Electronic Whistle Control here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle

The vibrator controls will just sound like a buzzer.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

> I just acquired a K325 with a built in 'horn', but no controller. None of
> my other locomotives have an 'air chime whistle'. Does anyone have
> experience with these? Are they worth 'repairing' in terms of the sound they make,
> etc.? Controllers are available on eBay for relatively little (whether they
> work is a separate question). My understanding is that these work by
> superposing a high frequency AC signal (~1000 Hz) on the track power that the
> speaker (and its accompanying RC filter) responds to. The horn buzzes now -
> presumably it shouldn't respond to 60 Hz, so I suppose RC filter will need to
> be looked at/replaced. Any thoughts/suggestionI just acquired a K325 with
> a built in 'horn', but no
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60190 From: David Dewey Date: 4/22/2010
Subject: Model T model
Well, I have a few in my backyard, but I suspect they would be way too big for the layout! Lledo has made a few, and some were in cereal packages (or you sent away for them, I've forgotten). I remeber seeing a metal kit for one once too, rather expensive compared to the die cast models one can sometimes find in Wal-Mart, etc.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60191 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Hello Jay, There is more then just light bulbs in this unit. It has a horn unit in it also I have been trying to find a diagram but there is not one available at least that I can find.The unit I have has the horn if all else fails I can try to take a picture and snd it to you.  Mark
--- On Wed, 4/21/10, ken_5556 <k.prott@...> wrote:


From: ken_5556 <k.prott@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:44 PM


 



Jay,

If the bulbs are wired in series, The wire goes from the transformer to first one bulb and then to the other bulb and then to common.
If they are wired in parallel, then each bulb has one wire to the transformer and the other to common.
If you have a 12v transformer, then you need 12 volt bulbs if you wire them in parallel.
You can use 2 - 6 volt bulbs in series. But if one bulb burns out then the other one goes out too. Not a good idea.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "ken_5556" <k.prott@... > wrote:
>
>
>
> There probably isn't a wiring diagram because there is nothing inside,
>
> except two bulbs wired in parallel. One wire goes to one truck while
>
> the other wire from the same bulb goes to the other truck.
>
> Now the other bulb; same thing. There is nothing else inside except
>
> posibily a horn; one wire goes to one truck while the other goes thru
>
> a capacitor and then to the other truck.
>
> I suppose Gilbert figured that the only reason anyone would have to go
>
> inside is to change a light bulb. And a wiring diagram wouldn't be
>
> needed for that; or would it?????
>
> That's probably why you didn't get any answers.
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60192 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Model T Models--PS
Hi All,
I neglected to mention in my posting that the models I was talking about are/were 1/64, or "reasonably" close. The Cereal ones were little delivery vans, I remember Rice Crispies being one of the cereals. Mine are all in boxes, so I can't look at them to report. The kit I think I saw in Denver, CO at "THE" train shop there. I believe it was also a delivery or a pickup. What's seems to be hard to find are touring cars and coupes. And any pre '60s is hard to find in this area (Northern California).
S
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60193 From: Jacques Ollivier Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Mini-Craft Buildings
Hey, does anyone know where I can find some drawings and dimnesions of the mini-craft Flyer buildings? I will never be able to afford them for my layout and thought it might be fun to build some for personal use. I was also thinking that once I learned the style I might design some originals. An apartment would be cool!

Jacques
Group: S-Trains Message: 60194 From: Bruce Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: air chime whistle
I agree with Steve. The sound emitted was anything but "air chime". But it was cutting edge back in the day and, if you used your imagination, it sounded pretty good.

Bruce



From: boss31@...
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:13 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] air chime whistle



About the best you can hope for is a sound somewhere between a croaking
frog and and a bumble bee...
Steve


In a message dated 04/21/2010 11:05:28 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
richs009@... writes:

I just acquired a K325 with a built in 'horn', but no controller. None of
my other locomotives have an 'air chime whistle'. Does anyone have
experience with these? Are they worth 'repairing' in terms of the sound they make,
etc.? Controllers are available on eBay for relatively little (whether they
work is a separate question). My understanding is that these work by
superposing a high frequency AC signal (~1000 Hz) on the track power that the
speaker (and its accompanying RC filter) responds to. The horn buzzes now -
presumably it shouldn't respond to 60 Hz, so I suppose RC filter will need to
be looked at/replaced. Any thoughts/suggestionI just acquired a K325 with
a built in 'horn', but no

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60195 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Thursday in YORK
Bright, sunny day, figures when my crew could be inside, the rain would
flee. I have one table in ORANGE Hall, didn't leave the Hall, didn't see huge
crowds or lots of boxes, bags, bins, barrels, etc heading to exits.

Hope they play the STAR SPANGLED BANNER again tomorrow, this time ALL OF
IT, audibly. You see the Veterans, pause, look for the FLAG and show
respect.

Hoping Friday is a better day,


Jim " Wardie-Jay Tinplate Ties at F-12" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60196 From: grdobbs Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: The fly in the test tube!
I Also I've still have my Microscope set ( with the Fly, all of
pieces + a few more ), But I also had a Uranium claim up on the
Continual Divide, here in Colorado. Unfortunately, the western slope ,
the area around Uravan Colorado, And Utah, can produce more Uranium,
than a world really needs ( Some samples you can pick right up off the
ground ) . By the way, I still have my Geiger counter that I built
with a little help from a local radio parts house and the Denver public
library. And I have rock samples that will drive a Geiger counter
crazy, But, I wound trade it all for a # U-238 Atomic Energy Lab.
The last one I see sold was at a show in California, and it was a
little out of my price Range.

Jerry HR 77-11644
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60197 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: Model T model
Thanks David,

That is good information. In fact, I have a set of 4 Kellogg's Model T
Delivery trucks decorated for their brands of cereal. I also have a
couple of the Lledo delivery trucks decorated for some other companies.
I didn't know they were based on the Model T. I just liked the look.
Now, I need to find some duplicates because I don't want to put those on
the layout. It is tough to balance collecting with training.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of David Dewey
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:12 PM
To: s-trains list; wpporter@...
Subject: [S-Trains] Model T model

Well, I have a few in my backyard, but I suspect they would be way too
big for the layout! Lledo has made a few, and some were in cereal
packages (or you sent away for them, I've forgotten). I remeber seeing a
metal kit for one once too, rather expensive compared to the die cast
models one can sometimes find in Wal-Mart, etc.
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60198 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Hi Bill,

There are lots of 1/64 Model T delivery trucks available. There are also lots of 1/64 Model T rat rods. Now if you're looking for a 1/64 stock Model T auto, that's another story altogether. You can do a Goggle search and find very few autos. But most have large plastic convertible tops that look way out of scale compared to the rest of the car. I've never seen a 1/64 Model T auto that I would give a second glance.

Maybe someone else in the group has some leads.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a source for Model T Fords?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60199 From: sscalemn Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: 2010 NASG National Convention Vendor Only Registration Opportunity
Based on requests from several potential vendors, who only want to sell,
we have created a special Vendor Only Registration Opportunity. This
registration category will allow vendors to setup and sell in the
Exhibit hall for the three days (July 22- July 24) but not take part in
any of the other convention activities. The cost will be $40 for NASG
members and $50 for non-members (by NASG rules, we still need to collect
the non member fee). This registration includes one 8 foot long 30 inch
table. Other tables may be purchased at the convention center cost (see
the registration form for table and other item cost details). See our
webpage www.nasg2010.com <http://www.nasg2010.com/>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60200 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Card Models
I designed these for 0-27 but they may be suitable for S

http://www.lionellines.com/Cardmodels.html

BTW the M1918 tank (shown in the loading ramp photo) might look good on
an S gauge flat. There's a link to it under the photo.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60201 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: Re: Model T Models--PS
Hi David and Esteemed Colleagues,

My 4 Kellogg's delivery trucks are in a display cabinet and hence easy
to check. The cereals represented are: Apple Jacks, Frosted Mini Wheats,
Raisin Bran and Corn Pops. I do not have a Rice Krispies, so, I'll have
o go on a quest. It never ends.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of djdewey@...
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Model T Models--PS

Hi All,
I neglected to mention in my posting that the models I was talking
about are/were 1/64, or "reasonably" close. The Cereal ones were little
delivery vans, I remember Rice Crispies being one of the cereals. Mine
are all in boxes, so I can't look at them to report. The kit I think I
saw in Denver, CO at "THE" train shop there. I believe it was also a
delivery or a pickup. What's seems to be hard to find are touring cars
and coupes. And any pre '60s is hard to find in this area (Northern
California).
S
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60202 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/23/2010
Subject: S Gaugain 21115 article
If anyone can recall the article written by Bob Tufts right before he died, about the 21115 engine and you have that S Gaugain Magazine with that article in it, could you be so kind in scanning it for me and sending me a copy of the scan via a email.

John Heck told me that Bob had in that story on how the molds for the engine had a part of the engine that came out "warped" if that is the right word, the "running board"by the front of the engine, if that is the right description for that part of the engine, was not straight but turned down a bit, as John said that about 80% of these engines had that problem and that is acceptable as to not hurt the value of the engine. Long sentence here.

Or if any one has any impute about this, please write about it. Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60203 From: richs009 Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Mark - if you look back in the "378" thread, I suggested to Andy that one might be able to get a relevant wiring diagram from the B units containing horn and/or diesel roar. They won't have the headlights, of course, but that part of the diagram is pretty straightforward - both wired in parallel to the power trucks.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Speichert <mspeichert@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jay, There is more then just light bulbs in this unit. It has a horn unit in it also I have been trying to find a diagram but there is not one available at least that I can find.The unit I have has the horn if all else fails I can try to take a picture and snd it to you.  Mark
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, ken_5556 <k.prott@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: ken_5556 <k.prott@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:44 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Jay,
>
> If the bulbs are wired in series, The wire goes from the transformer to first one bulb and then to the other bulb and then to common.
> If they are wired in parallel, then each bulb has one wire to the transformer and the other to common.
> If you have a 12v transformer, then you need 12 volt bulbs if you wire them in parallel.
> You can use 2 - 6 volt bulbs in series. But if one bulb burns out then the other one goes out too. Not a good idea.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "ken_5556" <k.prott@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > There probably isn't a wiring diagram because there is nothing inside,
> >
> > except two bulbs wired in parallel. One wire goes to one truck while
> >
> > the other wire from the same bulb goes to the other truck.
> >
> > Now the other bulb; same thing. There is nothing else inside except
> >
> > posibily a horn; one wire goes to one truck while the other goes thru
> >
> > a capacitor and then to the other truck.
> >
> > I suppose Gilbert figured that the only reason anyone would have to go
> >
> > inside is to change a light bulb. And a wiring diagram wouldn't be
> >
> > needed for that; or would it?????
> >
> > That's probably why you didn't get any answers.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60204 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Mike
 
I remember the article and I think the description was that the mold had a feature the cut off a part of the casting as it came out of the mold. This area of the mold was so worn that the casting got bent instead of having a clean cut.
 
Traveling at the moment and don't have access to the magazines.
 
Bill

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:29 PM


 



If anyone can recall the article written by Bob Tufts right before he died, about the 21115 engine and you have that S Gaugain Magazine with that article in it, could you be so kind in scanning it for me and sending me a copy of the scan via a email.

John Heck told me that Bob had in that story on how the molds for the engine had a part of the engine that came out "warped" if that is the right word, the "running board"by the front of the engine, if that is the right description for that part of the engine, was not straight but turned down a bit, as John said that about 80% of these engines had that problem and that is acceptable as to not hurt the value of the engine. Long sentence here.

Or if any one has any impute about this, please write about it. Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60205 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Am I getting old?
(Now THERE'S a dumb question, after all, nobody "get's young!") Like some of you out there, I can remember when cardstock was a model building material, not a type of kit. In the era I started building models, cardstock, cardboard, balsa wood, and crudely cast "white" metal were the standard materials to build models. You got plans out of a magazine, bought them, or drew your own. Cardstock was generally 3x5" "File Cards" used in every office in the land and availible at the Five and Ten.
Gee, the Five and Ten Cent stores...way back when K-Mart was still known as "Kressgie's 5 & dime" down town. (not sure about the spelling) This was an era when you ordered through the real US Mail, requiring you to write a real letter, put it in a real envelope, then you went to the post office where you bought stamps and a money order, and waited weeks to get something back.
You used cardstock as "sheet metal" in some models, and learned to wet it and bend it over a form to get the right compound curve (if it wasn't too radical) for model airplanes or autos.
It could be cut into strips and glued on the side of buildings around windows and doors to make their frames. It had many uses for construction, and when done, you painted and decaled it and you had a reasonable model.
Today, you can print out a sheet of card paper on your computer with all the details, shadows, signage, etc. already printed. Just reinforce the paper and glue it together and you're done!
Wow! What a treat over the way we used to do it! But it makes me feel old because I can remember "the way we were..."
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60206 From: Jerry Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Hi Bill,

Railmaster has Model A's, but as you know, even though they're only a model year different, they're extremely different as automobiles. Take a look at what they have.

I seem to remember SOMEONE making T's, but can't remember. When (and IF ) I do, I'll pass it along. Revell made hot rod Model T's a few years ago, but I don't think that's what you're looking for. I'll keep my eyes open!

Jerry
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, MI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a source for Model T Fords?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60207 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Rail Rax Still In Business?
Welcome any comments about whether the company Rail Rax - makers of metal
shelving for the display of model trains in all scales - remains in
business.

I've tried to contact them several times recently by e-mail and phone
using the information on their website but I get no answer. They make a
fine product which I've used before - I hope they're still in business.

Paul Schilling


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60208 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: model ts
I don't know if this is what you are looking for but I have found some, if not !/64 very close, model ts made by efsi in Holland. I found a coupe, a sedan, and a truck at an antique shop. All were in good condition for $5.00 for the lot.. It may be worthwhile to check these out in your area.
Ray 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60209 From: Gene Cimino Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Mini-Craft Buildings
Jacques,

You and I share a common thought in this regard. I have often look at some of the Lionel structures in catalogs making dimensional sketches based on doors or windows. The milk platform was one simpler one I fancied to build. I just enjoy making stuff!

Perhaps if we gather some pictures of the mini craft buildings someone who is CAD equipped could take a stab at it. I could attempt some pencil drawings of one or two. Again, I just enjoy that sort of exercise.

Gene Cimino
Hanover, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 60210 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Hi Bill,

Thank you so much for the reply on your travels.

The cut is very clean, just that catwalk along the side of the engine has a slight bent to it.

Again, John Heck said the article said this slight bent item is acceptable.

When you get caught on things when you get home, St. Louis?, if you could scan that for me, that would be great.

Thank you so much.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article



Mike

I remember the article and I think the description was that the mold had a feature the cut off a part of the casting as it came out of the mold. This area of the mold was so worn that the casting got bent instead of having a clean cut.

Traveling at the moment and don't have access to the magazines.

Bill

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:29 PM



If anyone can recall the article written by Bob Tufts right before he died, about the 21115 engine and you have that S Gaugain Magazine with that article in it, could you be so kind in scanning it for me and sending me a copy of the scan via a email.

John Heck told me that Bob had in that story on how the molds for the engine had a part of the engine that came out "warped" if that is the right word, the "running board"by the front of the engine, if that is the right description for that part of the engine, was not straight but turned down a bit, as John said that about 80% of these engines had that problem and that is acceptable as to not hurt the value of the engine. Long sentence here.

Or if any one has any impute about this, please write about it. Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60211 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Hi Mike -
 
It may be a while. We bought a 100 year old house for the move to St. Louis. So far we have replaced the interior and exterior sewer and water lines, the basement floor, most of the electrical wiring, the interior gas piping, most of the radiator piping, the interior and exterior stairs to the basement, relocated the basement bathroom and laundry room and finished the basement Next the master bath and the kitchen are to be updated. At the same time I have gone back to school to obtain a masters in computer engineering. Alas, for now the trains and literature/magazines are in the finished attic all piled up in boxes. It may be a while before I can sort through to the article. May find my 21115 first. I look forward to being able to unbox the trains and get them set up. I have read your ongoing tales of your building of train room and layout and appreciate your efforts while mine are on hold. The fine humor and genuine fun/occasional frustrations with
delivery or technical issues and tongue in cheek play are great medicine for the withdrawal of not being able to work on my own stuff.
 
Thanks,
 
Bill 

--- On Sat, 4/24/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 8:22 AM


 



Hi Bill,

Thank you so much for the reply on your travels.

The cut is very clean, just that catwalk along the side of the engine has a slight bent to it.

Again, John Heck said the article said this slight bent item is acceptable.

When you get caught on things when you get home, St. Louis?, if you could scan that for me, that would be great.

Thank you so much.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article

Mike

I remember the article and I think the description was that the mold had a feature the cut off a part of the casting as it came out of the mold. This area of the mold was so worn that the casting got bent instead of having a clean cut.

Traveling at the moment and don't have access to the magazines.

Bill

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:29 PM

If anyone can recall the article written by Bob Tufts right before he died, about the 21115 engine and you have that S Gaugain Magazine with that article in it, could you be so kind in scanning it for me and sending me a copy of the scan via a email.

John Heck told me that Bob had in that story on how the molds for the engine had a part of the engine that came out "warped" if that is the right word, the "running board"by the front of the engine, if that is the right description for that part of the engine, was not straight but turned down a bit, as John said that about 80% of these engines had that problem and that is acceptable as to not hurt the value of the engine. Long sentence here.

Or if any one has any impute about this, please write about it. Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60212 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: model ts
Good idea Ray. Next weekend there is an Antique Fair in West Palm Beach
- the kind that has lots of junk. I'll take a look.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ray Puls
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:36 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] model ts

I don't know if this is what you are looking for but I have found some,
if not !/64 very close, model ts made by efsi in Holland. I found a
coupe, a sedan, and a truck at an antique shop. All were in good
condition for $5.00 for the lot.. It may be worthwhile to check these
out in your area.
Ray 
Group: S-Trains Message: 60213 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Sorry Rich,  Mark

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote:


From: richs009 <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 11:40 PM


 



Mark - if you look back in the "378" thread, I suggested to Andy that one might be able to get a relevant wiring diagram from the B units containing horn and/or diesel roar. They won't have the headlights, of course, but that part of the diagram is pretty straightforward - both wired in parallel to the power trucks.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Mark Speichert <mspeichert@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jay, There is more then just light bulbs in this unit. It has a horn unit in it also I have been trying to find a diagram but there is not one available at least that I can find.The unit I have has the horn if all else fails I can try to take a picture and snd it to you.  Mark
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, ken_5556 <k.prott@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: ken_5556 <k.prott@... >
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:44 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Jay,
>
> If the bulbs are wired in series, The wire goes from the transformer to first one bulb and then to the other bulb and then to common.
> If they are wired in parallel, then each bulb has one wire to the transformer and the other to common.
> If you have a 12v transformer, then you need 12 volt bulbs if you wire them in parallel.
> You can use 2 - 6 volt bulbs in series. But if one bulb burns out then the other one goes out too. Not a good idea.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "ken_5556" <k.prott@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > There probably isn't a wiring diagram because there is nothing inside,
> >
> > except two bulbs wired in parallel. One wire goes to one truck while
> >
> > the other wire from the same bulb goes to the other truck.
> >
> > Now the other bulb; same thing. There is nothing else inside except
> >
> > posibily a horn; one wire goes to one truck while the other goes thru
> >
> > a capacitor and then to the other truck.
> >
> > I suppose Gilbert figured that the only reason anyone would have to go
> >
> > inside is to change a light bulb. And a wiring diagram wouldn't be
> >
> > needed for that; or would it?????
> >
> > That's probably why you didn't get any answers.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60214 From: Michael Rector Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Am I getting old?
Oh Oh Stumpy, you brought back some fond memories. Also tissue paper on the planes, straight pins to hold the balsa wood together whils the glue dried. Maybe that's what's wrong with my memory these days. That smell of the glue!!
 
Mike in SW Ohio.

--- On Sat, 4/24/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Am I getting old?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:08 AM


 



(Now THERE'S a dumb question, after all, nobody "get's young!") Like some of you out there, I can remember when cardstock was a model building material, not a type of kit. In the era I started building models, cardstock, cardboard, balsa wood, and crudely cast "white" metal were the standard materials to build models. You got plans out of a magazine, bought them, or drew your own. Cardstock was generally 3x5" "File Cards" used in every office in the land and availible at the Five and Ten.
Gee, the Five and Ten Cent stores...way back when K-Mart was still known as "Kressgie's 5 & dime" down town. (not sure about the spelling) This was an era when you ordered through the real US Mail, requiring you to write a real letter, put it in a real envelope, then you went to the post office where you bought stamps and a money order, and waited weeks to get something back.
You used cardstock as "sheet metal" in some models, and learned to wet it and bend it over a form to get the right compound curve (if it wasn't too radical) for model airplanes or autos.
It could be cut into strips and glued on the side of buildings around windows and doors to make their frames. It had many uses for construction, and when done, you painted and decaled it and you had a reasonable model.
Today, you can print out a sheet of card paper on your computer with all the details, shadows, signage, etc. already printed. Just reinforce the paper and glue it together and you're done!
Wow! What a treat over the way we used to do it! But it makes me feel old because I can remember "the way we were..."
Stumpy in Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60215 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Thanks Jerry,

I appreciate the info and I wish I could make to the S-Spree this week
in my old home town. It would be good to see all the stuff and the Henry
Ford Museum is excellent.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ford Model T Models

Hi Bill,

Railmaster has Model A's, but as you know, even though they're only a
model year different, they're extremely different as automobiles. Take a
look at what they have.

I seem to remember SOMEONE making T's, but can't remember. When (and IF
) I do, I'll pass it along. Revell made hot rod Model T's a few years
ago, but I don't think that's what you're looking for. I'll keep my
eyes open!

Jerry
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 60216 From: David Highfield Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: York on Friday
York was again a good experience - going from hall to hall took me 5 hours
with one break - and that was even bypassing all that O gauge stuff! The
aisles were not too crowded. I did encounter more motorized wheel chairs
this year - a sign of aging model train buffs. The dealers were helpful and
friendly and seemed ready to sell rather than take their merchandise back
home. I had this dream of all Flyer dealers being in the same hall. Oh well.
Until then, it pays to keep walking because AF prices and quality vary
greatly.
Dave in Maryland


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60217 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Hi Bill,

That will be fine.

But if anyone does recall this article and might have the magazine, could you scan and sent it to me please.

I did buy one of these engines like that from John Heck, as he assured me that was "acceptable" in the grade, as Bob wrote about it. But if not, the price was real good for a E engine and E+ tender, as I needed it to finish that set. I was not looking to buy one at this time, as the big item was that 24003 SF Box car, as only one person had it, Frank Merson, but it was not in the grade I wanted.

I will keep looking as now I see that the 24003 came in two sets in 1958, as I have not started that set yet, maybe I wont. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article



Hi Mike -

It may be a while. We bought a 100 year old house for the move to St. Louis. So far we have replaced the interior and exterior sewer and water lines, the basement floor, most of the electrical wiring, the interior gas piping, most of the radiator piping, the interior and exterior stairs to the basement, relocated the basement bathroom and laundry room and finished the basement Next the master bath and the kitchen are to be updated. At the same time I have gone back to school to obtain a masters in computer engineering. Alas, for now the trains and literature/magazines are in the finished attic all piled up in boxes. It may be a while before I can sort through to the article. May find my 21115 first. I look forward to being able to unbox the trains and get them set up. I have read your ongoing tales of your building of train room and layout and appreciate your efforts while mine are on hold. The fine humor and genuine fun/occasional frustrations with
delivery or technical issues and tongue in cheek play are great medicine for the withdrawal of not being able to work on my own stuff.

Thanks,

Bill

--- On Sat, 4/24/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 8:22 AM



Hi Bill,

Thank you so much for the reply on your travels.

The cut is very clean, just that catwalk along the side of the engine has a slight bent to it.

Again, John Heck said the article said this slight bent item is acceptable.

When you get caught on things when you get home, St. Louis?, if you could scan that for me, that would be great.

Thank you so much.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article

Mike

I remember the article and I think the description was that the mold had a feature the cut off a part of the casting as it came out of the mold. This area of the mold was so worn that the casting got bent instead of having a clean cut.

Traveling at the moment and don't have access to the magazines.

Bill

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:29 PM

If anyone can recall the article written by Bob Tufts right before he died, about the 21115 engine and you have that S Gaugain Magazine with that article in it, could you be so kind in scanning it for me and sending me a copy of the scan via a email.

John Heck told me that Bob had in that story on how the molds for the engine had a part of the engine that came out "warped" if that is the right word, the "running board"by the front of the engine, if that is the right description for that part of the engine, was not straight but turned down a bit, as John said that about 80% of these engines had that problem and that is acceptable as to not hurt the value of the engine. Long sentence here.

Or if any one has any impute about this, please write about it. Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60218 From: Rance and Bente Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: Am I getting old?
Hi Mike:
No, it was the dope that one put on the tissue paper to tighten the
paper up that did us in. Still , it was fun doing it - with wax paper
between the balsa and the plans.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway - with a stop in SE Ohio (OU) for a few
years)

Michael Rector wrote:
>
>
> Oh Oh Stumpy, you brought back some fond memories. Also tissue paper
> on the planes, straight pins to hold the balsa wood together whils the
> glue dried. Maybe that's what's wrong with my memory these days. That
> smell of the glue!!
>
> Mike in SW Ohio.
>
> --- On Sat, 4/24/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...
> <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net>>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Am I getting old?
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:08 AM
>
>
>
> (Now THERE'S a dumb question, after all, nobody "get's young!") Like
> some of you out there, I can remember when cardstock was a model
> building material, not a type of kit. In the era I started building
> models, cardstock, cardboard, balsa wood, and crudely cast "white"
> metal were the standard materials to build models. You got plans out
> of a magazine, bought them, or drew your own. Cardstock was generally
> 3x5" "File Cards" used in every office in the land and availible at
> the Five and Ten.
> Gee, the Five and Ten Cent stores...way back when K-Mart was still
> known as "Kressgie's 5 & dime" down town. (not sure about the
> spelling) This was an era when you ordered through the real US Mail,
> requiring you to write a real letter, put it in a real envelope, then
> you went to the post office where you bought stamps and a money order,
> and waited weeks to get something back.
> You used cardstock as "sheet metal" in some models, and learned to wet
> it and bend it over a form to get the right compound curve (if it
> wasn't too radical) for model airplanes or autos.
> It could be cut into strips and glued on the side of buildings around
> windows and doors to make their frames. It had many uses for
> construction, and when done, you painted and decaled it and you had a
> reasonable model.
> Today, you can print out a sheet of card paper on your computer with
> all the details, shadows, signage, etc. already printed. Just
> reinforce the paper and glue it together and you're done!
> Wow! What a treat over the way we used to do it! But it makes me feel
> old because I can remember "the way we were..."
> Stumpy in Appalachia.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60219 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/24/2010
Subject: Re: S Gaugain 21115 article
Bill,

Your house comes first, when ever, you find the article is find. Between the house and your school work, you have your hands full.

Thanks for the compliment on my layout and things, with the humor.

The last building should be done this week, as had some problems with missing parts and parts that did not belong with the kit. Phil of LVM took care of the issues, as this was a kit from previous ownership.

At York, I loaded up on scale lumber for fences for the stockyard and barn area, platforms for the baseball lights and some other things. That will be fun to make. LOL

Take care with things, Bill. Thanks for letting me know you have that article somewhere and in time will be fine.

Mike
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From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article



Hi Mike -

It may be a while. We bought a 100 year old house for the move to St. Louis. So far we have replaced the interior and exterior sewer and water lines, the basement floor, most of the electrical wiring, the interior gas piping, most of the radiator piping, the interior and exterior stairs to the basement, relocated the basement bathroom and laundry room and finished the basement Next the master bath and the kitchen are to be updated. At the same time I have gone back to school to obtain a masters in computer engineering. Alas, for now the trains and literature/magazines are in the finished attic all piled up in boxes. It may be a while before I can sort through to the article. May find my 21115 first. I look forward to being able to unbox the trains and get them set up. I have read your ongoing tales of your building of train room and layout and appreciate your efforts while mine are on hold. The fine humor and genuine fun/occasional frustrations with
delivery or technical issues and tongue in cheek play are great medicine for the withdrawal of not being able to work on my own stuff.

Thanks,

Bill

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 8:22 AM



Hi Bill,

Thank you so much for the reply on your travels.

The cut is very clean, just that catwalk along the side of the engine has a slight bent to it.

Again, John Heck said the article said this slight bent item is acceptable.

When you get caught on things when you get home, St. Louis?, if you could scan that for me, that would be great.

Thank you so much.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article

Mike

I remember the article and I think the description was that the mold had a feature the cut off a part of the casting as it came out of the mold. This area of the mold was so worn that the casting got bent instead of having a clean cut.

Traveling at the moment and don't have access to the magazines.

Bill

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugain 21115 article
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:29 PM

If anyone can recall the article written by Bob Tufts right before he died, about the 21115 engine and you have that S Gaugain Magazine with that article in it, could you be so kind in scanning it for me and sending me a copy of the scan via a email.

John Heck told me that Bob had in that story on how the molds for the engine had a part of the engine that came out "warped" if that is the right word, the "running board"by the front of the engine, if that is the right description for that part of the engine, was not straight but turned down a bit, as John said that about 80% of these engines had that problem and that is acceptable as to not hurt the value of the engine. Long sentence here.

Or if any one has any impute about this, please write about it. Thanks.

Mike

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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/25/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60221 From: richs009 Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
Mark - if you look back in the "378" thread, I suggested to Andy that one might be able to get a relevant wiring diagram from the B units containing horn and/or diesel roar. They won't have the headlights, of course, but that part of the diagram is pretty straightforward - both wired in parallel to the power trucks.

- Rich

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> Hello Jay, There is more then just light bulbs in this unit. It has a horn unit in it also I have been trying to find a diagram but there is not one available at least that I can find.The unit I have has the horn if all else fails I can try to take a picture and snd it to you.  Mark
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> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 378 T&P Dummy Unit wiring
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:44 PM
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> Jay,
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> If the bulbs are wired in series, The wire goes from the transformer to first one bulb and then to the other bulb and then to common.
> If they are wired in parallel, then each bulb has one wire to the transformer and the other to common.
> If you have a 12v transformer, then you need 12 volt bulbs if you wire them in parallel.
> You can use 2 - 6 volt bulbs in series. But if one bulb burns out then the other one goes out too. Not a good idea.
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> > the other wire from the same bulb goes to the other truck.
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> > Now the other bulb; same thing. There is nothing else inside except
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> > posibily a horn; one wire goes to one truck while the other goes thru
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> > a capacitor and then to the other truck.
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> > I suppose Gilbert figured that the only reason anyone would have to go
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> > inside is to change a light bulb. And a wiring diagram wouldn't be
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60222 From: nightshift.geo Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: 1/64 Scale Detail Items
I handmake 1/64 diorama/S layout items and offer them
for sale...examples are WW2 (surplus?) tents, WW2 Mathbox
Jeep with "canvas" top, "tarped" vehicles,nostalgia
50's pop machines, nostalgia LP record albums, pipe loads/stacks,
trash cans "spilled","rusty junkers", etc. Most of this
stuff is well under $10.00, shipped US. Thanks for looking!
you can see all this at
http://www.nightshiftart.webs.com
Thanks for looking
Ron H.
NightshiftArt
Group: S-Trains Message: 60223 From: lou342ac Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: York Observations
I would like to hear others' observations on the attendance at the York TCA Meet on Friday. I attended the show on Friday and I can't recall in recent memory the crowd as small as this one. Didn't seem to be as much buying as I have seen it he past just a lot folks walking around. Curious in Essex.
Lou Baldi
Group: S-Trains Message: 60224 From: william cole Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: Re: York on Saturday (update from Friday)
York Saturday was awesome....stopped by the S-Helper booth, and picked up a few more hopper cars (as usual!)...

wore my Montreal Canadiens jersey and had many fine converstions about the NHL, memories and the playoffs now in progress...
brought back fine memories of college and men's league playing days...veyr nice folks

lots of S.....wore pop and me out....

lunched at Genova's on 462 in West York.... awesome of rthe past 22 years !
Bc


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From: David Highfield <davidhighmd@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 2:23:11 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] York on Friday

 
York was again a good experience - going from hall to hall took me 5 hours
with one break - and that was even bypassing all that O gauge stuff! The
aisles were not too crowded. I did encounter more motorized wheel chairs
this year - a sign of aging model train buffs. The dealers were helpful and
friendly and seemed ready to sell rather than take their merchandise back
home. I had this dream of all Flyer dealers being in the same hall. Oh well.
Until then, it pays to keep walking because AF prices and quality vary
greatly.
Dave in Maryland

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60225 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Lou nailed it, small attendance, hands in pockets, "most" dealers well aware of smaller crowds, much lower sales. My one table was gladly "given" to my neighbor for the Fall. Only one of two ways I can imagine doing this show again is IF the DEALER HALLS (Orange, Brown, Purple) PLUS the BLACK display hall are opened to the PUBLIC Saturday (and possibly Sunday). The other at a future date. The public attended TWO Greenbergs, one in York (half of Orange) in January.and Lancaster's NEW, wildly over budget CON CTR in March, over 3,000 PAID each time, AND they spent money.

I in no way am criticizing the job Debbie Geiser and her crew do, they do a GREAT job, they need a change from higher up to keep this viable. My humble opinion.

Jim Lyle




: [S-Trains] York Observations


I would like to hear others' observations on the attendance at the York TCA Meet
n Friday. I attended the show on Friday and I can't recall in recent memory the
rowd as small as this one. Didn't seem to be as much buying as I have seen it
e past just a lot folks walking around. Curious in Essex.
Lou Baldi

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60226 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/25/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/25/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60227 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: ebay item
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The world's famous gondola with hole in side has been relisted, at a lower price and with additional items to tempt one.

Now I see a bidding war here.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60228 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Fw: [coTowpath] Catoctin Aqueduct groundbreaking
This is from the C&O Canal list I am on, as a aqueduct built in the 1830's is being rebuilt. I send this as trains are mention in the email.

The aqueduct is 5 miles below Brunswick MD a major CSX hub.

The railroad was always a pain in the .... to the C&O Canal. LOL

http://www.catoctinaqueduct.org/

Mike Marmer
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From: soundchasser
To: coTowpath@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:00 PM
Subject: [coTowpath] Catoctin Aqueduct groundbreaking



The ceremony Saturday was great! Rain held off until moments after the event, CSX trains rolled past 'on cue' during speeches, and the NPS did a fabulous job kicking off one of the most anticipated projects along the canal. Photos have been uploaded.

Looking forward to next year's dedication, and the Big Slackwater project - hopefully we'll truly be able to ride the entire towpath in a couple of years!





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60229 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: 21115
Grant Bishop kindly sent me a scan of the article that Bob Tufts wrote about the running board on the left side of the 21115 engine having a upward angle.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60231 From: Michael Rector Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Ok, I have been hesitant to send this, but here goes. At Wal-Mart look where they have the models from the movie Cars. There is a Model T in the group. A little dab of white paint to take out the eyes and you have a "T".

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From: Jerry <poniaj@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ford Model T Models
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 8:44 AM


 



Hi Bill,

Railmaster has Model A's, but as you know, even though they're only a model year different, they're extremely different as automobiles. Take a look at what they have.

I seem to remember SOMEONE making T's, but can't remember. When (and IF ) I do, I'll pass it along. Revell made hot rod Model T's a few years ago, but I don't think that's what you're looking for. I'll keep my eyes open!

Jerry
Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, MI

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> Hi Folks,
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> Does anyone have a source for Model T Fords?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60232 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:29:27 -0400

Jim:

Well, DUHH! When you increase the number of sales days, and you only have so many people who are able to attend the meet, what do you expect?
That'll teach those freeloadin' "Bandit Meet" guys! (who show up at the regular meet with the same stuff anyway)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60233 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Kellogg's 1/64 Trucks
Hi All,

I dug out my Kellogg's 1/64 trucks in the original box. My Dad got several sets of these I think in the 80s (I guess he ate a lot of cereal). He gave sets to most of his grandchildren and I ended up with a set in the original shipping box and a set without the box but in the original plastic bags.

The box had four trucks like all the boxes. This set has one Model A Frosted Mini-Wheats (orange), One Model A Raisin Bran (purple), one Model T Apple Jacks (green) and one Model T Corn Pops (yellow). The Model A trucks have the wider hoods and "steel" wheels. The Model T trucks have narrow hoods and "spoke" wheels. I also have one each of these trucks in the original plastic bags. I haven't found any that have been removed from the plastic bags, but if I do I will post some photos.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60234 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Card Models
I have seen these in person, and they are really neat. I think they ARE
suitable for S.

Clay Kinsner
Lone Star Trains & Collectibles

> I designed these for 0-27 but they may be suitable for S
>
> http://www.lionellines.com/Cardmodels.html
>
> BTW the M1918 tank (shown in the loading ramp photo) might look good on
> an S gauge flat. There's a link to it under the photo.
>
>
> Brady Burdge
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60235 From: Ben Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Reproduction circus wagons...early color variations of interest to a
I enjoyed York and picked up the metal circus wagons (thanks, Bill) and got an animal and some wheels for replacements for those missing.

In talking to one of the better known parts suppliers for Flyer, we got into a conversation about the plastic repro wagons and trucks. The major dealers are looking at getting another run made (it is well known that the remaining stock in their hands is the last of the former run of repro circus items, and when they are gone, they are gone!)I mentioned that it would be cool to produce a run in the early colors like yellow, green, red, and light blue for cage sides, wheels, animals, roofs, and frames. Also, the Allied trucks were made in light blue, red, and yellow, as well as the overdone green Gilbert went with.

It was the highlight of my collecting years to see the pre-production Flyer circus train at the Flyer Nut meeting Thursday night. The rare colored wagons made the train more colorful and "circus-like," period. Much better than the dark blue and red Gilbert went with for final production.

So...the dealer showed interest in gaining more information and considering having a run of wagons made in yellow, green, and light blue with variations for animals and wheels, etc. Would there be interest in these reproduction items? (another run was being considered anyway in the typical colors...this would be a change for the better, I believe).

Just wondering...Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 60236 From: The Laniers Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Friday was the best day of the three, with Saturday, as usual, coming in a distant third and a waste of time and money for most sellers. Having the meet open to 3PM rather than 2PM as in the past was ridiculous, as many did not even come back after Friday, and those that did were packing up by noon. Despite their warnings, there seems to be no enforced penalty for sellers who leave early. You can't really blame them, if they are mostly sold out, and have to travel far, for not sitting there til 3PM for a few stragglers who are only looking. Only the cooperating weather kept Saturday from being a complete bust. I know many buyers can't make the show on Thursday and Friday, but Eastern Division needs to do something about Saturday. Perhaps putting only sellers who plan to stay through Saturday in the Blue, Silver, and Orange halls would allow them to shut down the Red and White halls after closing on Friday, or opening Saturday to the public. I think the dealer hall people would love that, as they get more buyers for the trouble they go to setting up the big displays and large quantities of merchandise. Otherwise, I thought the show was well attended.

paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60237 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] York Observations
Don,

Again, it was great to see Robin and you at York, as you are always very kind to Linda and me, and the others who come by also I am sure.

I really feel for you and the vendors.

Have you and the other vendors contacted the Eastern Division about these concerns, as again this is a Eastern Division meet, and contacting the TCA National is the wrong people to write too.

Also, since TCA is "collectors" do you think it is necessary for you to keep attending, as most of us already know of your products, as I am not sure you get any new converts over to S Helper products?

I would think you might change your marketing to model RR shows for current products being offered by makers and hobby shoppes? NMRA shows might be more appropriate for manufactures not selling collectable, as the TCA is a Collectables organization?


Just some thoughts, as seeing S Helper at York is always great, but there comes a time, gee, comes a time, a Neil Young song title, we all have to make changes in life, as someone decided for what reason, to have York 3 days, and that is just not working out for many who are showing trains, whether collectables or new things from manufacturers.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Michael Marmer
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:57 PM
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] York Observations




> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:55:02 -0400
> From: don@...
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>
> York used to be my favorite show. But, the extra day has taken
> it's toll on us as well as most vendors. One more day of expensive
> hotel rooms, restaurant food, driving in York traffic and late dinners
> not to mention the extra cost to have the booth for an additional
> day. I feel sorry for those TCA members who have to work for a living
> and can only come on Saturday, by then we are exhausted and more
> looking for packing up and leaving than anything else. We used to do
> half as well on Saturday as Friday when it was a two day show. Now I
> do not think we turn enough profit on Saturday to pay for our crew's
> lunch. I wish they would go back to the way it was for 3 decades....
> Don


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60238 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
York used to be my favorite show. But, the extra day has taken
it's toll on us as well as most vendors. One more day of expensive
hotel rooms, restaurant food, driving in York traffic and late dinners
not to mention the extra cost to have the booth for an additional
day. I feel sorry for those TCA members who have to work for a living
and can only come on Saturday, by then we are exhausted and more
looking for packing up and leaving than anything else. We used to do
half as well on Saturday as Friday when it was a two day show. Now I
do not think we turn enough profit on Saturday to pay for our crew's
lunch. I wish they would go back to the way it was for 3 decades....
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 60239 From: Ben Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I agree with Jim on this one...the show needs to be opened to the public on Saturday. I know the TCA arguments that this is a "special event" so catered to TCA members only and their guests. True. I attended as a guest in 1987 for the first time. It was special.

This is also a different time. In order for there to be a York show in ten years, the public will need to be allowed to keep sales viable. And none of this argument about "public competition" taking sales of choice pieces from an actual member. If one can't find the good deals on Tuesday-Friday at all of the shows (some already open to the public), then one might not find them on Saturday anyway, even without public competition. A person can't be in every hall and see everything all at once...he might miss out on something (as we all have), anyway.

I was just glad to hear slightly less screaming about visible cell phones this York. Another thing that should and most likely will change in years to come.

Ben


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
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>
> Lou nailed it, small attendance, hands in pockets, "most" dealers well aware of smaller crowds, much lower sales. My one table was gladly "given" to my neighbor for the Fall. Only one of two ways I can imagine doing this show again is IF the DEALER HALLS (Orange, Brown, Purple) PLUS the BLACK display hall are opened to the PUBLIC Saturday (and possibly Sunday). The other at a future date. The public attended TWO Greenbergs, one in York (half of Orange) in January.and Lancaster's NEW, wildly over budget CON CTR in March, over 3,000 PAID each time, AND they spent money.
>
> I in no way am criticizing the job Debbie Geiser and her crew do, they do a GREAT job, they need a change from higher up to keep this viable. My humble opinion.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
>
>
> : [S-Trains] York Observations
>
>
> I would like to hear others' observations on the attendance at the York TCA Meet
> n Friday. I attended the show on Friday and I can't recall in recent memory the
> rowd as small as this one. Didn't seem to be as much buying as I have seen it
> e past just a lot folks walking around. Curious in Essex.
> Lou Baldi
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60240 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Weirdest Thing at York
Linda and I agree the weirdest thing we saw at York was the Lionel Shaped Candy Hearts in a bag for sale.

I do not recall the price on this, but I am sure it is a old collectable and not a modern thing to be eaten.

Of course, if is a collectable and you choose to eat them, well, okay then. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60241 From: knockbill Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: york week
i started york week on monday morning sharing a space at the holidome parking lot,, not much was going on there. after lunch, i moved into the ballroom at the old billy budd, and stayed until wed afternoon,,, monday was slow, even though it was open until 9pm. on tuesday , it got a little more traffic, and it was decided it remain open until 9pm again,,, a few more sales, but a lot more lookers. on wednesday, things picked up a little more, and by 5pm closing, it was a pretty good show.
on thursday morning, we set up in teh silver hall,i spent teh opening hour or so looking for bargains in the white & blue halls, tried to look through the red hall, but it was packed, so i saved it for later, i hope the guys in there did well....when i got back to my table. i had already made some sales, that my friends collected for me,,, the rest of thursday was hit and miss, but it still hadn't rained at day 4 in york!!!!!!!friday started out ok, and ended very well, my single day show record, saturday continued from friday, and ended with sales being made right as i was packing to come home...all in all another great time at york....
a couple observations,, i didn't see much "fixer up stuff" in boxes under the tables or anywhere else, so i didn't find much to bring home. my thoughts are, maybe , with the economy & people aging, folks are selling off their better stuff, and basicly cashing in collections... not many new project for me this time...
all in all, i had a great time, and thought the eastern div team did another remarkable job, i also noticed a lot less of the annoying announcements we all came to love so much... i stopped by the booth to personally thank debbie & the team for another good york adventure, it seems they even controlled teh weather this time!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60242 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
increase the days we have so much money to spend, many are not in need of things being sold since we already have a several 985 box cars, etc.

I was searching for specifics needed, did not find, but came away with a 21115, which took up over what I plan to spend at York, since I just spent 1500 the week before on a needed LN 21139.

I think I got a great buy on the 21115 in E/E+ for 950 from John Heck. But I still brought a few S helper Cars. 32 for a mint Monarch Reefer.

Mike
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:29:27 -0400

Jim:

Well, DUHH! When you increase the number of sales days, and you only have so many people who are able to attend the meet, what do you expect?
That'll teach those freeloadin' "Bandit Meet" guys! (who show up at the regular meet with the same stuff anyway)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60243 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
The booth was empty of customers at 12:30 PM. I started to take
down some of the display models and pack them up. The trains still
ran, but progressively got shorter and shorter. Then the trees and
structures. We did not start to pack product until well after 1 PM.
Everyone around us was packing, so we were not alone. As I went to
the truck to bring in the empty boxes, there were lots of loaded carts
following me out to pack up. Robin confirmed she did not remember
selling another item in the afternoon. It takes about 2 to 3 hours to
pack depending on how many we have helping. I did not realize that
the new closing time was 3 PM, but I can attest that by 3 PM most
table were EMPTY in the orange hall. We left at 3:30 for the 3 1/2
hour trip home.
Our sales were slightly down from the fall, but that usually is a
better meet.
Don

On Apr 25, 2010, at 12:40 PM, The Laniers wrote:

> Friday was the best day of the three, with Saturday, as usual,
> coming in a distant third and a waste of time and money for most
> sellers..
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60244 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: York...from the outside
After over twenty years working at G&M Train & Hobby, and ALWAYS being stuck there while the owners went to York, perhaps I should not comment. I also am not a collector or TCA member, so perhaps you should take what I say with a grain of salt.
It is OBVIOUS even to me that York needs some changes to keep going. The guys I worked for gave up on York not long after they added Thursday because the extra costs involved were unsustainable. While perhaps local dealers and folks who are just buying trains can afford spending a week in motels and restuarants, it is counter productive for many vendors. Whether they love toy trains or not they HAVE to at least break even financially, which has gotten much harder.
The economy is way down, the people are aging, and the prices are keeping a lot of new people out. Toy trains are an almost forgotten part of the past outside the hobby today, just ask that kid who is twittering. So why limit your audience and add days? I'm not a TCA member, so keep me out until the "good stuff" is gone? Why would I go at all? The days of the "exclusive club" type thing are over or at least very numbered.
I have never understood why some shows run on Friday/Saturday instead of the old traditional Saturday/Sunday. There are still people who work Saturdays. If you're a distance away from home and have to take two days off from work anyway, what makes the difference which days? And ADDING a Thursday "work day" to the show schedule is smart how?
Yeah, I know about trying to kill the "bandit shows" by adding a day, but if you kill yourself too, how does that help? This is Kamikasi reasoning!
I get the feeling that the top decision makers are arrogant enough to think that York is so big and so popular that whatever they do HAS to work. I might remind them that the builders of the Titanic and the Hindenberg felt the same way. There are few "absolutes" in small business today.
As I said at the beginning, I'm an "outsider," so perhaps I "don't understand." But I can still listen to folks who were there, have gone for many years, read the comments, and apply common sense.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60245 From: clayton deich Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
Well that's better then the last list price...

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] ebay item
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 3:13 AM
















 









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The world's famous gondola with hole in side has been relisted, at a lower price and with additional items to tempt one.



Now I see a bidding war here.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60246 From: acgilbertguy Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
> >As a buyer, I personally like the old Friday - Saturday schedule. However, it will probably never get back to that. As Ben stated, opening to the public on Saturday might be a good option. (It would have no effect on my schedule since I don't go back on Saturday anyway). By the end of Friday, I have either purchased what I want or I haven't found it. I doubt that anything new appears on tables on Saturday. It could be open for four days and it wouldn't make any difference to me. I have a set amount to spend on trains, air fare, motel and rental car. And that amount is less than it used to be. Also, as a buyer, I would like to see all the tables uncovered and ready for business when the show opens on Thursday and Friday. I didn't travel a long distance at great expense to view covered tables. Also as a side note, some of my best buys over the years have been at the motels and firehouses prior to the big event at the fair grounds.

Rich

> I agree with Jim on this one...the show needs to be opened to the public on Saturday. I know the TCA arguments that this is a "special event" so catered to TCA members only and their guests. True. I attended as a guest in 1987 for the first time. It was special.
>
> This is also a different time. In order for there to be a York show in ten years, the public will need to be allowed to keep sales viable. And none of this argument about "public competition" taking sales of choice pieces from an actual member. If one can't find the good deals on Tuesday-Friday at all of the shows (some already open to the public), then one might not find them on Saturday anyway, even without public competition. A person can't be in every hall and see everything all at once...he might miss out on something (as we all have), anyway.
>
> I was just glad to hear slightly less screaming about visible cell phones this York. Another thing that should and most likely will change in years to come.
>
> Ben
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>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@ wrote:
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> > Lou nailed it, small attendance, hands in pockets, "most" dealers well aware of smaller crowds, much lower sales. My one table was gladly "given" to my neighbor for the Fall. Only one of two ways I can imagine doing this show again is IF the DEALER HALLS (Orange, Brown, Purple) PLUS the BLACK display hall are opened to the PUBLIC Saturday (and possibly Sunday). The other at a future date. The public attended TWO Greenbergs, one in York (half of Orange) in January.and Lancaster's NEW, wildly over budget CON CTR in March, over 3,000 PAID each time, AND they spent money.
> >
> > I in no way am criticizing the job Debbie Geiser and her crew do, they do a GREAT job, they need a change from higher up to keep this viable. My humble opinion.
> >
> > Jim Lyle
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> > : [S-Trains] York Observations
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> > I would like to hear others' observations on the attendance at the York TCA Meet
> > n Friday. I attended the show on Friday and I can't recall in recent memory the
> > rowd as small as this one. Didn't seem to be as much buying as I have seen it
> > e past just a lot folks walking around. Curious in Essex.
> > Lou Baldi
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60247 From: acgilbertguy Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: "Flyer Nut" Get-Together
For me, one of the highlights of York week is the "Flyer Nut" get-together on Thursday evening. It is always great to see neat Gilbert/Flyer stuff and talk with those more knowledgeable in the hobby than me. This year I was able to talk with some of you that are regular posters on this site, (Ben, Gary, Barb and Harwood to name a few). It's nice to be able to put a face with a name when I read a post. As for me, I was the guy that had the Certificate of Registry with the mail-in post card during the show-and-tell portion of the get-together. I now know what years they were made. What a great hobby we have!

Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 60248 From: knockbill Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York...from the outside
the reasoning i hear about closing sat instead of sunday, is to give folks a travel day to get back home,,,

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> After over twenty years working at G&M Train & Hobby, and ALWAYS being stuck there while the owners went to York, perhaps I should not comment. I also am not a collector or TCA member, so perhaps you should take what I say with a grain of salt.
> It is OBVIOUS even to me that York needs some changes to keep going. The guys I worked for gave up on York not long after they added Thursday because the extra costs involved were unsustainable. While perhaps local dealers and folks who are just buying trains can afford spending a week in motels and restuarants, it is counter productive for many vendors. Whether they love toy trains or not they HAVE to at least break even financially, which has gotten much harder.
> The economy is way down, the people are aging, and the prices are keeping a lot of new people out. Toy trains are an almost forgotten part of the past outside the hobby today, just ask that kid who is twittering. So why limit your audience and add days? I'm not a TCA member, so keep me out until the "good stuff" is gone? Why would I go at all? The days of the "exclusive club" type thing are over or at least very numbered.
> I have never understood why some shows run on Friday/Saturday instead of the old traditional Saturday/Sunday. There are still people who work Saturdays. If you're a distance away from home and have to take two days off from work anyway, what makes the difference which days? And ADDING a Thursday "work day" to the show schedule is smart how?
> Yeah, I know about trying to kill the "bandit shows" by adding a day, but if you kill yourself too, how does that help? This is Kamikasi reasoning!
> I get the feeling that the top decision makers are arrogant enough to think that York is so big and so popular that whatever they do HAS to work. I might remind them that the builders of the Titanic and the Hindenberg felt the same way. There are few "absolutes" in small business today.
> As I said at the beginning, I'm an "outsider," so perhaps I "don't understand." But I can still listen to folks who were there, have gone for many years, read the comments, and apply common sense.
> Stumpy in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60249 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
 
Dear Mike,
Those extra metal pieces look like part of the pedestrian walkway, but I could be wrong. I dont have one , but what I have seen in pictures that is my guess.
  Thanks,
Alan Lambert
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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] ebay item
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:13 AM


 



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The world's famous gondola with hole in side has been relisted, at a lower price and with additional items to tempt one.

Now I see a bidding war here.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60250 From: william cole Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
the thing that concerns me the most is that Saturdays and Sundays are the only day I can attend train shows... don't know whaen the trend of the "end of the weeks shows started (in general, not just the York TCA show), but it makes it dificult to attend some meets as the last day of most shows seems to be considered useless by some vendors..... in regard to the York TCA meet, the Thursday afternoon killed Saturday....,
 
local shows (within 2 hours drive) are worth it to attend, even on the last day. went to the NASG in Lowell, MA, and probably wouldn't drive that far (6 hours) to attend on a Saturday again, even though it was a good show in a nice venue.

show organizers wonder why there aren't younger attendees.... UH, WE WORK FOR A LIVING ! ! ! ! !

the time saved on attending shows can be better spent on layout and model building, cutting grass, projects around the house. etc, etc, etc....
Bc


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60251 From: robert hendrickson Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York...from the outside
You said your problem right there Stumpy...you applied common sense, which is not as common as it once was. You make a solid argument for needed change.
 
Bob Hendrickson


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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] York...from the outside
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:38 AM


 



After over twenty years working at G&M Train & Hobby, and ALWAYS being stuck there while the owners went to York, perhaps I should not comment. I also am not a collector or TCA member, so perhaps you should take what I say with a grain of salt.
It is OBVIOUS even to me that York needs some changes to keep going. The guys I worked for gave up on York not long after they added Thursday because the extra costs involved were unsustainable. While perhaps local dealers and folks who are just buying trains can afford spending a week in motels and restuarants, it is counter productive for many vendors. Whether they love toy trains or not they HAVE to at least break even financially, which has gotten much harder.
The economy is way down, the people are aging, and the prices are keeping a lot of new people out. Toy trains are an almost forgotten part of the past outside the hobby today, just ask that kid who is twittering. So why limit your audience and add days? I'm not a TCA member, so keep me out until the "good stuff" is gone? Why would I go at all? The days of the "exclusive club" type thing are over or at least very numbered.
I have never understood why some shows run on Friday/Saturday instead of the old traditional Saturday/Sunday. There are still people who work Saturdays. If you're a distance away from home and have to take two days off from work anyway, what makes the difference which days? And ADDING a Thursday "work day" to the show schedule is smart how?
Yeah, I know about trying to kill the "bandit shows" by adding a day, but if you kill yourself too, how does that help? This is Kamikasi reasoning!
I get the feeling that the top decision makers are arrogant enough to think that York is so big and so popular that whatever they do HAS to work. I might remind them that the builders of the Titanic and the Hindenberg felt the same way. There are few "absolutes" in small business today.
As I said at the beginning, I'm an "outsider," so perhaps I "don't understand." But I can still listen to folks who were there, have gone for many years, read the comments, and apply common sense.
Stumpy in Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60252 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: My York Week
York week for us started out on Wednesday with Bill Trappen and his wife Rosemarie coming by to see my layout. Bill has become a private email friend, as we share the same love for baseball. Bill went to Penn State and I went to U of MD so their is some fun kidding back and forth at times, as the two where football rivals and MD only beat PSU once. they no longer play against each other. Bill played baseball for PSU for one year but gave it up as he knew his education was more important. Bill and Rosemarie have a table at York, but usually come up in October. They made this trip to be with their son for his birthday, as they went to York on Friday I believe.

Bill brought me a empty bottle of AF smoke fluid and a AHL Hershey Syrup truck for the layout. That was very nice of him, as the bottle belong to a deceased train friend. I showed them some of my other collectables, baseball and milk bottles, as then I show them the collection of AF and the layout with modern www.classictrains.com track. I think they like the layout with the baseball field and lights.

I treated them to lunch at Woodside deli a deli that goes back to 1947.

Thursday came as the show opened at noon. I was to met Tom Bianculli for lunch as I owe him a lunch for some decals he made for me, a second time for something else. Linda and I got to the fair grounds earlier and was walking around looking at the campers, when we saw the "shack" on the pick up truck. No camera rats. Next time.

We saw Tom waiting for us as we walked around some more as the cafeteria was not open. Tom was at a car show in Carlisle and had two milk bottles for us! That was very nice of him. The bottles where wrapped in a June 7, 1972 National Speed Sport Newspaper, complete! LOL Amazing. This is like Field of Dreams, when the man went back in time and the license was 1972. I expected to see Richard Nixon come down the pike. Oh, we did see two guys sitting on the back of a pick up truck playing guitars. It was not Neil Young. Maybe one of them was the kid in Deliverance?

We had a great lunch and got caught on things with Tom.

We then went back to the van, to put the bottle away as I had to get two engines to take over to S Helper for repair.

We saw Don and Robin Thompson, two of the nicest people you could meet. We said we would be back as we headed for the Red Hall.

One of the things I was looking for was a common 24003 Santa Fe Box Car to complete the Yard King Special set from 1958 with 12 cars in it as has a circle 8 for track and the engine barely misses the caboose. The car goes for 65 in E in the TM book but I missed out on ebay for a e+ one for 127.00!! I also needed one more lumber flat car for this set and then it is done.

I saw a couple of lumber cars in the red hall, but not up to my standards in E.

Then my whole budget got messed up as I just purchased a LN 21139 engine for a set of cars from 1959 2 weeks ago for 1550.00. John Heck had a 21115 Engine for another set of cars I have from a 1958 set that has the rare 5 digit KATY (1000) and the rare Penn Salt Tank as mine in new (1000). The engine list at 1400 in the last TM book and John let me have it for 950. I have no idea why so low, as the engine was in E and the tender in E+. The only thing that was wrong with it, and that might be acceptable, is the left running board at the end is slightly bend up. He said that Bob Tufts wrote about that right before he died in 2004 on how the mold for the engine was wearing out. And sure enough Grant Bishop sent me a copy of the article as it was part of his Q&A section on how the mold was bad. Bill Drake also offered to send me a copy when he got the time as he was remodeling a house and going to school for a masters. it is great that many on these list come through for you. So I brought and Linda said she did not care if I did so. LOL

Continuing on, no box car, but as we where walking outside to the blue and silver hall, I heard a voice, something about Bike riding and Mike and it was Barry Jamison, another email friend for baseball, a diehard Phillies fan. I only met Barry and his wife once at York and I would of never recognize him. He said he remembers us. LOL Great. We talked for awhile as his wife could not make due to work.

We continued on as Mike Farner, another good AF dealer had the Lumber car with the original lumber in the box. So we are now done to the box car. I only saw on box car of this number at Frank Merson's for 38, but it was very well played with, in VG condition, so I passed on it.

We saw Jim Patterson, a AF dealer who used to work as a engineer for the US Park Service and spent most of his career with the C&O Canal. We told him about the ground breaking for the rebuilding of the Catoctin Aqueduct, built in the 1830's damage by Hurricane Agnes in 1972.

Then we went to the orange hall and talked with Don Thompson for while.

We had to get to the hotel for dinner with the Zide's at the Left Bank. This was tough to do, since the York Revolution where playing baseball. LOL We have seen them play many times, as we are going back to York on May 29 and Sept 4 for baseball and bike riding on the York Rail Trail. The baseball stadium is beautiful, better then most minor league parks. However they do not have a commissioner like Hugo. Speaking of Hugo at the restaurant they have old books on the wall, as one was Young Man from Caracas. Probably Hugo's life story on how he got to the D&K RR town. You can get this book on Amazon for a penny. LOL

The next day Friday, we picked up some S Helper cars, one was the flat car with rolls of Aluminum, which is really neat and different, Mr. and Mrs. Claus for the Christmas trains, a Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo reefer, at a dealer a mint in box Monarch Reefer which used to be a competitor in food distribution for 32! and at Doug Peck's a C&O Box car from one of the first batches of S Helper as it was the older box.

I was looking for Hunter Line from Canada who sold lumber as I thought he was in the orange hall. he was in the purple as he was very helpful, as I needed lumber for fences and platform for my baseball light and some other things.

we had to leave at noon as we had a concert at Wolf Trappe in VA and got a crab cake sandwich at Sherrill's at the Fair Grounds. Sherrill's crabcakes are far better than Phillips of MD a institution.

We got home, but where too exhausted from the past two days and driving to make the concert but we had another concert on Saturday at Wolftrappe. Made it.

Sunday we had a great baseball game at Nationals Park, as the Nats, as they are for real, beat the Dodgers 1-0.

Now I have to rearrange the shelves for the engine. LOL

A nice week over all and I hope all those who went to York had a great time.

Next year they need to have a campfire with marshmallows and train stories. LOL

For those on my private email list, LOL, lucky you, I have pictures of the things purchased coming.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60253 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Yikes, I forgot , as too much stuff to write about, Linda made me buy two S scale Penn State cars, a 1963 Impala and a Beverage truck.

He had some nice HO box cars edition 2008 and 2009, as we have 9 PSU box cars.

Next year.

He is always in the brown hall, as he had some really neat "PSU" labels things, like a firehouse, etc.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60254 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
I forgot to mention that John Heck put my nicely wrapped engine and tender in a heavy Sendik's grocery bag from his area of the country.

It was great, as he doubled bagged it as it had handles.

I kept seeing these bags all day being carried by some.

It dawned on me they all purchased things from John Heck, as he most have connection to this store or just saved or brought them.

I asked one guy if he wanted to trade, I think I might of lost, and one guy asked how much I spent with John, I said it was 950. He said I out did him. LOL

John has nice stuff.

But is now coming down to where I do not need another Rath Reefer or a BAR reefer, as I already have 2 of each. LOL However I think Dave Blum had a 2416 NP Reefer, which I do not have yet, for 2200, I think. LOL No, that is not on the list anytime soon.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60255 From: race944t Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I don't post much so grant me the liberty to express a "Banker's" opinion of York and other ramblings.

I had the second best York of all times. Was this really an APRIL show? Thursday sales were great, Friday sales were good and Saturday sales were, well, shall I say, tollerable. But, all in all a great show. My metal circus cages found a great home, my painted Cookie Box found a home where it will be appreciated despite the crack below one of the mounting slots, and the unannounced theme of the "Flyer-nut" meeting seemed to be painted cars and was another fun meeting

I got to meet the "other" Bill Clark AND his brother Bob. Did I mention that my brother's name is Bob. I also met and reaquainted with others whom I had not seen since prior shows.

The economist in me also has an opinion of the future of York, train collecting and opereating, and the economy in general. Please bear with me on this one. American Flyer train sales are NOT something you get into to make money. First, the supply is getting greater because none of us are any younger and collections are coming on the market every day. Second, demand is getting less for the same reason. Even in Econ 101 you learned this just isn't a market for success. You better be in this for the fun of it and to enjoy people and running trains. Gone are the days of actually needing the arrows on the floor to direct York foot traffic without some changes.

If we are to increase the traffic and grow the show there have to be some changes. If we are to grow the membership in TCA as well as the many other fine train clubs across the land, we must make some changes. None of us can continue to be "closed" shows. I know there are many legal and tax issues around opening shows to the public and at least for York it's a major one. I have no facts on this, so tollerate some speculation, but if the show were open to the public the crowds would increase and so would membership. If the taxing authorities get involved, show them the error in their ways or encourage E Div TCA to move the show to Va. or another state where used items can be sold without sales tax. I am not bashing E Div TCA by any means. I'm always amazed how they organize all the facets of this event with such efficiency.

Joe Haenn once told me to start making up $99 starter sets for kids and it was some of the best advice I've ever received. So far I've sold about 10 of them, so there are at least 10 families with "S" gauge trains. The great thing is when you see them at the next show and they want to add on to the set. I encourage anyone who sells to make up additional sets. I include an engine, 3 cars, a caboose, a circle of track (or more), a transformer (with a breaker for safety), an uncoupler, a lock-on and wire. Let's get kids involved.

If you've made it this far in my ramblings, bless you. I look forward to feedback and continuing the thread

"Banker" Bill Clark
Group: S-Trains Message: 60256 From: Dave Bellian Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I, as well, agree with Don from Showcase, We had more success, in the Purple Hall, at the two day show, by far, and elected to not set-up after two tries at the three day shows. YardMasterModels is a very small operation, and the cost for the additional days lodging and booth cost , far out-weighed any small profit we made. Hope the higher-ups may consider the shorter show.


Dave
YardMasterModels


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60257 From: Nick Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Friends,

In an earlier post, I made a statement that if York became an "open to the public meet", I would drop my membership in the TCA. My reasoning is not because I do not like the TCA, but because York is what I consider to be the perc of being a TCA member. I cannot attend every show I want to but York is close to home, and it has the largest offering for any show I have ever attended. The second reason is that my best friend travels from Pittsburgh for the show and stays at my home. York offers both a LOT of opportunities to add to my equipment, plus the chance to see many old frinds and spend a few days remembering why I love this hobby.

I am a model railroader, not a collector. I am also a member of the NMRA, another group that works for our hobby. I am happy to be a member of both groups. I often hear from fellow scale modelers that they would not join TCA because of the "unfriendly" attitude of members that have seen their layouts and basically snubbed their noses at them because there was no Lionel or tinplate. I have also been chastised by my friends that model prototypes about my American Flyer layout because it takes up some "valuable" real estate where I could add some scale railroading.

For years, because of my job, I would only be able to attend the "wildcat" meets in the hotel parking lots like the Billy Bud, the Valencia, and the Holiday Inn. A few years ago, just before I had to retire, I decided to join the TCA so I would be able to attend THE Show at York. I have not been disappointed, ever.

I have also sponsered 4 other new members, ONLY because of York. TCA is a great organization but as a modeler, I am not as fanatical about origial boxes, finish, color variations, etc. My focus is, "does it run" ? If so, can I afford it? If both of these conditions are met, I usually buy the item.

I appreciate the history and memories but I also apppreciate John Allen, Bruce Chubb, Allen McLellan, and other great names in model railroading. Those few names normally only mean something to those of us that do scale model railroading.

If York become an "open" show, I truely believe that it will lose something. It sounds a bit snobbish, but I like having something that is exclusive to our group. To me, it is worth the price of membership in a time where money is tight. The Eastern Division knows it is considered a "jewel" among the members and changing times might dictate some changes but if it is opened to the public, a lot of members will no longer have the safety net that permits paying by check and trusting the honor code from the Association.

I don't attend conventions for any organization unless it is within driving distance from my home. Economics is a hard taskmaster. Conventions are fun but there is rarely much that attract me to them unless there is something very special going on.

I hope that despite the few "bad" points, York will remain exclusive to TCA members. It is truly something I look forward to and I hope it remains so.

Respectfully,
Nick Kulp
Group: S-Trains Message: 60258 From: Karl Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Hi Mike

Thanks for your observations on York. I'm a TCA member but so far have not made the pilgrimage.

John Heck, and Mike Farner are both regulars at the Great Midwest train show held just outside of Chicago in Wheaton IL.

Your comments, especially about John Heck, make me appreciate how lucky we are here to be able to deal with both these gentlemen on nearly a monthly basis.

The next show here is May 2nd… It will be interesting to see if John brought back any goodies from York.

Thanks again.
Karl
Group: S-Trains Message: 60259 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I had heard about York and several of my club member go but I never
understood the excitement. Why would I join a group the (from looking at
the website) offers nothing to me but a chance to attend a swap meet? I
can go to local swap meets for $3-$5 and see similar stuff or go
directly to SHS or other supplier.

First, the $25 application fee seems ridiculous to me. What is is used
for, background check? Last time I looked that was more than the fee for
a background check for concealed carry and they actually do a background
check.

Needing 2 members to recommend me seemed silly since I don't know anyone
who is a member except maybe a club member or 2 who I have met at
meetings. Then I saw the offer to enter my address to get a list of
members who can recommend me?

Maybe it's just me but needing a recommendation from people I don't know
and who don't know me to join a club like TCA seems pointless. Why even
have a recommendation requirement if I can get perfect strangers to
recommend me?

So I will remain a non TCA member and forgo the opportunity to attend
York or other TCA meets unless they are opened to the public. And
opening to the public after everything has been picked over is really
not an option as far as I am concerned. I don't know if TCA members get
in free or not but if so, charge the public. If not, charge non-members
more but don't limit the times the public can attend.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/26/2010 12:04 PM, Nick wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> If York become an "open" show, I truely believe that it will lose
> something. It sounds a bit snobbish, but I like having something that
> is exclusive to our group. To me, it is worth the price of membership
> in a time where money is tight. The Eastern Division knows it is
> considered a "jewel" among the members and changing times might
> dictate some changes but if it is opened to the public, a lot of
> members will no longer have the safety net that permits paying by
> check and trusting the honor code from the Association.
>
> I hope that despite the few "bad" points, York will remain exclusive
> to TCA members. It is truly something I look forward to and I hope it
> remains so.
>
> Respectfully,
> Nick Kulp
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60260 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Hi Folks,

I have enjoyed the York comments both pro and con. Does anyone have
first hand knowledge of both the York and Cal-Stewart meets? I know they
are on opposite sides of the country and sponsored by different national
clubs. Both of them are far from South Florida.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60261 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Ford Model T Models
Thanks Michael,

Are you referring to the Red one?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Rector
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:07 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ford Model T Models

Ok, I have been hesitant to send this, but here goes. At Wal-Mart look
where they have the models from the movie Cars. There is a Model T in
the group. A little dab of white paint to take out the eyes and you have
a "T".
Group: S-Trains Message: 60262 From: Nick Kulp Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Carey,
 
That is what makes this country great. No one will hold a gun to your head and make you join. Personally, I agree that the sponsers should at least know who they are sponsering. The opportunities from York was the very reason I joined. From your post, it appears that you just don't get it. York is not just another train meet. It is also a "tradition" for many of us and certain traditions need to be preserved. I'm not a "snob" but when you invite non-members into this event, there are no penalties for them if they do not follow the rules. That in itself makes this a better meet. Mess up and you cannot attend.
 
I enjoy the social benefits of meeting old friends at York.It is a lot like Christmas for me except that it happens twice a year.
 
Respectfully,
Nick Kulp
Member US Veterans and proud of it.
 
God Bless our Soldiers, Especially our snipers.

America united with a handful of troops, or without a single
soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition
than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready
for combat." ---James Madison

>>>>>
So I will remain a non TCA member and forgo the opportunity to attend
York or other TCA meets unless they are opened to the public. <snip>
I don't know if TCA members get in free or not but if so, charge the public. If not, charge non-members more but don't limit the times the public can attend.
Carey Probst
Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>>>>>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60263 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: My York Week
Karl,

You are welcome as I have know both sellers since 1992 or so, Mike more so.

John really goes over a item with you in great detail as he did on the 21115 as I never notice the running board which is not that noticeable.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My York Week



Hi Mike

Thanks for your observations on York. I'm a TCA member but so far have not made the pilgrimage.

John Heck, and Mike Farner are both regulars at the Great Midwest train show held just outside of Chicago in Wheaton IL.

Your comments, especially about John Heck, make me appreciate how lucky we are here to be able to deal with both these gentlemen on nearly a monthly basis.

The next show here is May 2nd. It will be interesting to see if John brought back any goodies from York.

Thanks again.
Karl





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60264 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Nick,

You are right about not getting it and unfortunately from my
perspective, I never will because there is no option to visit and see
what there is to get.

I do understand the old friends bit because I am a member of the BMW car
club and attend it's functions when I can and it is definitely a
combination of driving events, meeting new people, seeing old friends,
and attending seminars.

Not really sure I understand the obey the rules bit though since I would
think the same would be true for new or probationary members who don't
know the rules.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/26/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Kulp wrote:
>
> Carey,
>
> That is what makes this country great. No one will hold a gun to your
> head and make you join. Personally, I agree that the sponsers should
> at least know who they are sponsering. The opportunities from York was
> the very reason I joined. From your post, it appears that you just
> don't get it. York is not just another train meet. It is also a
> "tradition" for many of us and certain traditions need to be
> preserved. I'm not a "snob" but when you invite non-members into this
> event, there are no penalties for them if they do not follow the
> rules. That in itself makes this a better meet. Mess up and you cannot
> attend.
>
> I enjoy the social benefits of meeting old friends at York.It is a lot
> like Christmas for me except that it happens twice a year.
>
> Respectfully,
> Nick Kulp
> Member US Veterans and proud of it.
>
> God Bless our Soldiers, Especially our snipers.
>
> America united with a handful of troops, or without a single
> soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition
> than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready
> for combat." ---James Madison
>
> >>>>>
> So I will remain a non TCA member and forgo the opportunity to attend
> York or other TCA meets unless they are opened to the public. <snip>
> I don't know if TCA members get in free or not but if so, charge the
> public. If not, charge non-members more but don't limit the times the
> public can attend.
> Carey Probst
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> >>>>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60265 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Have any of you vendors asked the Eastern Division why they added a third day?

I think you are losing money, you should let them know, as you deserve to make money to cover your cost and then some.

If you all do not write to the Eastern Division, then they can't take a look at this situation.

And if you do write and they do nothing, that is a sad commentary on someone not caring about those who sell at York.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Bellian
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations



I, as well, agree with Don from Showcase, We had more success, in the Purple Hall, at the two day show, by far, and elected to not set-up after two tries at the three day shows. YardMasterModels is a very small operation, and the cost for the additional days lodging and booth cost , far out-weighed any small profit we made. Hope the higher-ups may consider the shorter show.

Dave
YardMasterModels

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60266 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Weirdest Thing at York
Mike, these were for sale by Paul Johnson of "Catoctin Mountain Trains" in Thurmont, MD. Another good friend of mine. He has had these for sale for a couple of York meets.

Harwood





-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; John Picur <jppicur@...>
Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 8:41 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Weirdest Thing at York




Linda and I agree the weirdest thing we saw at York was the Lionel Shaped Candy Hearts in a bag for sale.

I do not recall the price on this, but I am sure it is a old collectable and not a modern thing to be eaten.

Of course, if is a collectable and you choose to eat them, well, okay then. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60267 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Ben, I think we need to consider our tax exempt status. You know what has happen over at the "Billy Bud", we might loose it locally and maybe state wide. If the public wants to buy, let them join the TCA. If we let the public in there is no need for them to join TCA.

Just a thought,
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 3:16 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations




I agree with Jim on this one...the show needs to be opened to the public on Saturday. I know the TCA arguments that this is a "special event" so catered to TCA members only and their guests. True. I attended as a guest in 1987 for the first time. It was special.

This is also a different time. In order for there to be a York show in ten years, the public will need to be allowed to keep sales viable. And none of this argument about "public competition" taking sales of choice pieces from an actual member. If one can't find the good deals on Tuesday-Friday at all of the shows (some already open to the public), then one might not find them on Saturday anyway, even without public competition. A person can't be in every hall and see everything all at once...he might miss out on something (as we all have), anyway.

I was just glad to hear slightly less screaming about visible cell phones this York. Another thing that should and most likely will change in years to come.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
> Lou nailed it, small attendance, hands in pockets, "most" dealers well aware of smaller crowds, much lower sales. My one table was gladly "given" to my neighbor for the Fall. Only one of two ways I can imagine doing this show again is IF the DEALER HALLS (Orange, Brown, Purple) PLUS the BLACK display hall are opened to the PUBLIC Saturday (and possibly Sunday). The other at a future date. The public attended TWO Greenbergs, one in York (half of Orange) in January.and Lancaster's NEW, wildly over budget CON CTR in March, over 3,000 PAID each time, AND they spent money.
>
> I in no way am criticizing the job Debbie Geiser and her crew do, they do a GREAT job, they need a change from higher up to keep this viable. My humble opinion.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
>
>
> : [S-Trains] York Observations
>
>
> I would like to hear others' observations on the attendance at the York TCA Meet
> n Friday. I attended the show on Friday and I can't recall in recent memory the
> rowd as small as this one. Didn't seem to be as much buying as I have seen it
> e past just a lot folks walking around. Curious in Essex.
> Lou Baldi
>
> ------------------------------------
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
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>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60268 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: "Flyer Nut" Get-Together
Rich, it was great to meet you and others. And to see the other regulars, Bob slipped out before the photo. The Hi-lite of the meet for me was finding the yellow painted
24328 tank car. The price was really right!

Harwood





-----Original Message-----
From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 10:31 am
Subject: [S-Trains] "Flyer Nut" Get-Together




For me, one of the highlights of York week is the "Flyer Nut" get-together on Thursday evening. It is always great to see neat Gilbert/Flyer stuff and talk with those more knowledgeable in the hobby than me. This year I was able to talk with some of you that are regular posters on this site, (Ben, Gary, Barb and Harwood to name a few). It's nice to be able to put a face with a name when I read a post. As for me, I was the guy that had the Certificate of Registry with the mail-in post card during the show-and-tell portion of the get-together. I now know what years they were made. What a great hobby we have!

Rich







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60269 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: York Observations
Carey,
Sorry you feel that way about TCA. Benefits abound for members, you just have to check into it. Your yearly fee goes for many things, including four issues of the "The train Collectors Quarterly', which is always packed full of toy train info and color pictures. We are a club of diverse interests in toy trains, and has brought me many new friends over the years. That one reason for joining the TCA is far and above the most important.

Harwood





-----Original Message-----
From: Carey Probst <carey@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations


I had heard about York and several of my club member go but I never
nderstood the excitement. Why would I join a group the (from looking at
he website) offers nothing to me but a chance to attend a swap meet? I
an go to local swap meets for $3-$5 and see similar stuff or go
irectly to SHS or other supplier.
First, the $25 application fee seems ridiculous to me. What is is used
or, background check? Last time I looked that was more than the fee for
background check for concealed carry and they actually do a background
heck.
Needing 2 members to recommend me seemed silly since I don't know anyone
ho is a member except maybe a club member or 2 who I have met at
eetings. Then I saw the offer to enter my address to get a list of
embers who can recommend me?
Maybe it's just me but needing a recommendation from people I don't know
nd who don't know me to join a club like TCA seems pointless. Why even
ave a recommendation requirement if I can get perfect strangers to
ecommend me?
So I will remain a non TCA member and forgo the opportunity to attend
ork or other TCA meets unless they are opened to the public. And
pening to the public after everything has been picked over is really
ot an option as far as I am concerned. I don't know if TCA members get
n free or not but if so, charge the public. If not, charge non-members
ore but don't limit the times the public can attend.
Carey Probst
Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
Perm: hcprobst@...
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

n 4/26/2010 12:04 PM, Nick wrote:

Friends,

If York become an "open" show, I truely believe that it will lose
something. It sounds a bit snobbish, but I like having something that
is exclusive to our group. To me, it is worth the price of membership
in a time where money is tight. The Eastern Division knows it is
considered a "jewel" among the members and changing times might
dictate some changes but if it is opened to the public, a lot of
members will no longer have the safety net that permits paying by
check and trusting the honor code from the Association.

I hope that despite the few "bad" points, York will remain exclusive
to TCA members. It is truly something I look forward to and I hope it
remains so.

Respectfully,
Nick Kulp



------------------------------------
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t http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60270 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] My York Week
Yikes again, I forgot to mention that Joe Haenn of Joes Repair Parts expanded his booth, and he was busy as usual.

Due to time we did not get a chance to talk to Joe, as he was busy both times we walked by.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: michael and Linda Marmer ; Valerie Singleton ; Jeanette Ryba ; jsnell5990@... ; John Picur ; Cookie Flannery ; Steve Hoschler ; steve Conard ; S trains ; Toy Trains
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: [toytrains] My York Week



Yikes, I forgot , as too much stuff to write about, Linda made me buy two S scale Penn State cars, a 1963 Impala and a Beverage truck.

He had some nice HO box cars edition 2008 and 2009, as we have 9 PSU box cars.

Next year.

He is always in the brown hall, as he had some really neat "PSU" labels things, like a firehouse, etc.

Mike Marmer




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60271 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
The closing time is still 2 pm, no change





-----Original Message-----
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 7:36 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations




The booth was empty of customers at 12:30 PM. I started to take
down some of the display models and pack them up. The trains still
ran, but progressively got shorter and shorter. Then the trees and
structures. We did not start to pack product until well after 1 PM.
Everyone around us was packing, so we were not alone. As I went to
the truck to bring in the empty boxes, there were lots of loaded carts
following me out to pack up. Robin confirmed she did not remember
selling another item in the afternoon. It takes about 2 to 3 hours to
pack depending on how many we have helping. I did not realize that
the new closing time was 3 PM, but I can attest that by 3 PM most
table were EMPTY in the orange hall. We left at 3:30 for the 3 1/2
hour trip home.
Our sales were slightly down from the fall, but that usually is a
better meet.
Don

On Apr 25, 2010, at 12:40 PM, The Laniers wrote:

> Friday was the best day of the three, with Saturday, as usual,
> coming in a distant third and a waste of time and money for most
> sellers..
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60272 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I, too, like the old scheme better. Having stated that, however, ED
volunteers organize the meet very well and my experience and that of my friends is
always very rewarding and a lot of fun. I acquired some nifty pieces of
vintage Gilbert Flyer, as I almost always do. The Gilbert get-together is
always illuminating. Catching up with fellow Gilbert enthusiasts is a super
experience.

My table buddies and I had very good sales, overall. The best traffic and
sales were on Friday. Those who made few or no sales might want to
reconsider their pricing or what they selected to sell.

Opening the meet to the public is a non-starter. Under the present
arrangement, the PA and local tax collectors are held at bay for TCA members and
their table commerce. This would likely not remain so under a public access
arrangement.

After every York, we endure the usual bellyaching. Bore, bore, bore. ;-)

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 4/26/2010 7:36:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

I wish they would go back to the way it was for 3 decades....
Don



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60273 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Not really an issue. I don't have bad feelings about the TCA, just don't
see anything on the site that grabs me and says join and get these
benefits. I think a lot of it may just be poor marketing on the site.
Sample copies and details would be a big help on making it up.

NASG does a pretty good job of letting people know what they get, the
special cars, track gauges and such. I just don't see that on the site.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/26/2010 7:11 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> Carey,
> Sorry you feel that way about TCA. Benefits abound for members, you
> just have to check into it. Your yearly fee goes for many things,
> including four issues of the "The train Collectors Quarterly', which
> is always packed full of toy train info and color pictures. We are a
> club of diverse interests in toy trains, and has brought me many new
> friends over the years. That one reason for joining the TCA is far and
> above the most important.
>
> Harwood
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carey Probst <carey@... <mailto:carey%40hcprobst.com>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 2:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
>
> I had heard about York and several of my club member go but I never
> nderstood the excitement. Why would I join a group the (from looking at
> he website) offers nothing to me but a chance to attend a swap meet? I
> an go to local swap meets for $3-$5 and see similar stuff or go
> irectly to SHS or other supplier.
> First, the $25 application fee seems ridiculous to me. What is is used
> or, background check? Last time I looked that was more than the fee for
> background check for concealed carry and they actually do a background
> heck.
> Needing 2 members to recommend me seemed silly since I don't know anyone
> ho is a member except maybe a club member or 2 who I have met at
> eetings. Then I saw the offer to enter my address to get a list of
> embers who can recommend me?
> Maybe it's just me but needing a recommendation from people I don't know
> nd who don't know me to join a club like TCA seems pointless. Why even
> ave a recommendation requirement if I can get perfect strangers to
> ecommend me?
> So I will remain a non TCA member and forgo the opportunity to attend
> ork or other TCA meets unless they are opened to the public. And
> pening to the public after everything has been picked over is really
> ot an option as far as I am concerned. I don't know if TCA members get
> n free or not but if so, charge the public. If not, charge non-members
> ore but don't limit the times the public can attend.
> Carey Probst
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> Perm: hcprobst@... <mailto:hcprobst%40alum.mit.edu>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
> n 4/26/2010 12:04 PM, Nick wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> If York become an "open" show, I truely believe that it will lose
> something. It sounds a bit snobbish, but I like having something that
> is exclusive to our group. To me, it is worth the price of membership
> in a time where money is tight. The Eastern Division knows it is
> considered a "jewel" among the members and changing times might
> dictate some changes but if it is opened to the public, a lot of
> members will no longer have the safety net that permits paying by
> check and trusting the honor code from the Association.
>
> I hope that despite the few "bad" points, York will remain exclusive
> to TCA members. It is truly something I look forward to and I hope it
> remains so.
>
> Respectfully,
> Nick Kulp
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60274 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I agree, the best day for sales was Friday. Still hav'nt sold my 24003 though. Sold a beautiful Silver Streak set and numerous accessories. Thought I would have sold my "open slat" 929, but to no avail.
Harwood





-----Original Message-----
From: rbubeck327@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:10 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations




I, too, like the old scheme better. Having stated that, however, ED
volunteers organize the meet very well and my experience and that of my friends is
always very rewarding and a lot of fun. I acquired some nifty pieces of
vintage Gilbert Flyer, as I almost always do. The Gilbert get-together is
always illuminating. Catching up with fellow Gilbert enthusiasts is a super
experience.

My table buddies and I had very good sales, overall. The best traffic and
sales were on Friday. Those who made few or no sales might want to
reconsider their pricing or what they selected to sell.

Opening the meet to the public is a non-starter. Under the present
arrangement, the PA and local tax collectors are held at bay for TCA members and
their table commerce. This would likely not remain so under a public access
arrangement.

After every York, we endure the usual bellyaching. Bore, bore, bore. ;-)

Bob Bubeck










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Group: S-Trains Message: 60275 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: Weirdest Thing at York
Thanks Harwood, as come to think of it, Paul was near those mints, as I have purchased AF from Paul before.

I have been in his Shoppe in Thurmont many times.

A very good TCA person.

Sorry we passed by your table and you where not there. Probably looking for yellow tank cars or 24003 Box cars.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 6:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Weirdest Thing at York





Mike, these were for sale by Paul Johnson of "Catoctin Mountain Trains" in Thurmont, MD. Another good friend of mine. He has had these for sale for a couple of York meets.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; John Picur <jppicur@...>
Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 8:41 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Weirdest Thing at York

Linda and I agree the weirdest thing we saw at York was the Lionel Shaped Candy Hearts in a bag for sale.

I do not recall the price on this, but I am sure it is a old collectable and not a modern thing to be eaten.

Of course, if is a collectable and you choose to eat them, well, okay then. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60276 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
In a message dated 4/26/2010 7:19:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HOwingsiii@... writes:

Ben, I think we need to consider our tax exempt status. You know what has
happen over at the "Billy Bud", we might loose it locally and maybe state
wide. If the public wants to buy, let them join the TCA. If we let the public
in there is no need for them to join TCA.

Just a thought,
Harwood

The "Dealers" in the "Dealers Halls" HAVE TO HAVE tax licenses, business
licenses, etc to be there. WE HAVE to pay taxes to West Manchester Twp
(painless tax for their citizens). out of state corporate dealers have to pay an
additional "Corporate Tax" to PA. We HAVE TO PAY PA SALES TAX. I have
yet to hear a "dealer" advocate opening the Member Halls to the public. NOT
ONE. NOT EVER.
As far as our "Tax Exempt" status, I'll bet that is just the Eastern Div's
YORK shows. A deal cut long ago when PA government was flush with cash.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60277 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York...from the outside
Hello all,

As a midwestern train enthusiast, I've never had the luxury of attending
York although I've wanted to do so for many years because of all the
interesting things I've heard in years past. However, if I ever have
the chance to go it will be on a weekend and my trip will be limited in
time to two days at most for the reasons Stumpy has stated. And I
certainly understand why Don and other vendors "pull out" on Saturday
but if I was attending I would be discouraged to say the least to find
vendors leaving or already gone.

This year I attended S Fest in Rockford and a group of us went on
Saturday, figuring that it is a prime day to attend. Imagine our
disillusionment when we got there and vendors were already pulling out
by noon in order to make it to DuPage and other nearby shows on Sunday.
Not all vendors left but enough that it was a bad thing for the show.
It was partly poor timing this past year due to the juxtaposition of S
Fest and DuPage but still it was not good. BTW Don and SHS were there
and did stick around, along with some other major vendors, and I
appreciated that.

The reason I bring that up is that it is my equivalent of attending a
major train show and how I felt when vendors left early. And I don't
blame the vendors. The length of York sounds like it is too long and it
definitely should be open on Saturday at a minimum for those folks who
come from some distance away.

I hope the sponsors and organizers of York will learn from the
experience this year and from the feedback they are getting on this
board as well as elsewhere. It is in their best interest to listen in
order to remain a first class show.

Tom Detmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60278 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I would like to chime in here about York. I have been a few times. Most of my life I lived on the West Coast and attended TTOS meets. Very lively, trading, cameraderie, auctions and so forth. However, York got the holy grail buzz but I never had the time or money to go. Then I moved to the DC suburbs and York was a couple of hours drive away. I went but found I could not get in because I had not renewed my TCA membership for ten years. Either fork over ten years worth of dues (no ten years of benefits here) or open a new membership - problem, needed someone to sign and I am at the registration desk and don't know anyone and my train collecting friends are all on the West Coast. But I did know of Bob Tufts - so I called his cell phone and he came up to the front and signed me in. Great. Lots of trains (it is Saturday and the great stuff is gone or too expensive) I look around but before I can make it through all of the halls, everyone starts to pack up. I
work and can't or don't want to devote a couple of vacation days to going on Thursday and Friday. Result not much fun as a collector. Paid for a three day meet but got about 1/2 day. TCA seems arrogant compared to TTOS and has lots of crazy good old boy rules. Not friendly to the public so doesn't get new people interested in the hobby.
 
No one has mentioned the Great Train Expo at the Dulles Expo center a couple of weeks ago. This open to the public show set a new attendance record of over 40,000 attendees for a Saturday/Sunday event. If I were a vendor I know where I would go. Indicates a strong, healthy hobby. TCA York attendance indicates a losing attitude to keeping the circle closed so the good ol' boys can get a bargain or two for themselves.
 
Are there good people in TCA - sure, but the management seems to be self centered navel worshippers trying to selfishly keep the collecting gems for the annointed few while not contributing to opening the hobby to new participants. No wonder attendance is off. I haven't been in about 5 years and don't seem to be missing it. The dues and fees have gone to buying items for my collection instead of reinforcing bad policy.
 
My two cents.
 
Bill Drake

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:00 PM


 



Have any of you vendors asked the Eastern Division why they added a third day?

I think you are losing money, you should let them know, as you deserve to make money to cover your cost and then some.

If you all do not write to the Eastern Division, then they can't take a look at this situation.

And if you do write and they do nothing, that is a sad commentary on someone not caring about those who sell at York.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Bellian
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations

I, as well, agree with Don from Showcase, We had more success, in the Purple Hall, at the two day show, by far, and elected to not set-up after two tries at the three day shows. YardMasterModels is a very small operation, and the cost for the additional days lodging and booth cost , far out-weighed any small profit we made. Hope the higher-ups may consider the shorter show.

Dave
YardMasterModels

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60279 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Carey,

Also you get the TCA Exchange 4 times a year.

I don't think 25 dollars is much to ask as sadly, the TCA is mostly a volunteer run organization that is in dire need of money like many organizations.

I always give more at dues time, I have a brick on the sidewalk.

TCA is more than just meets.

Membership is falling mainly because membership is getting old and no young blood are joining due to lack of interest in the hobby.

tell you what, you want to join, but don't want to pay the 25, I will pay the 25 for you and I happen to have TCA applications with TWO signatures on it already.

I will would be glad to mail you the application and a check for 25 made out to the TCA that you can send along and deduct that from your total.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] York Observations




Carey,
Sorry you feel that way about TCA. Benefits abound for members, you just have to check into it. Your yearly fee goes for many things, including four issues of the "The train Collectors Quarterly', which is always packed full of toy train info and color pictures. We are a club of diverse interests in toy trains, and has brought me many new friends over the years. That one reason for joining the TCA is far and above the most important.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Carey Probst <carey@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations

I had heard about York and several of my club member go but I never
nderstood the excitement. Why would I join a group the (from looking at
he website) offers nothing to me but a chance to attend a swap meet? I
an go to local swap meets for $3-$5 and see similar stuff or go
irectly to SHS or other supplier.
First, the $25 application fee seems ridiculous to me. What is is used
or, background check? Last time I looked that was more than the fee for
background check for concealed carry and they actually do a background
heck.
Needing 2 members to recommend me seemed silly since I don't know anyone
ho is a member except maybe a club member or 2 who I have met at
eetings. Then I saw the offer to enter my address to get a list of
embers who can recommend me?
Maybe it's just me but needing a recommendation from people I don't know
nd who don't know me to join a club like TCA seems pointless. Why even
ave a recommendation requirement if I can get perfect strangers to
ecommend me?
So I will remain a non TCA member and forgo the opportunity to attend
ork or other TCA meets unless they are opened to the public. And
pening to the public after everything has been picked over is really
ot an option as far as I am concerned. I don't know if TCA members get
n free or not but if so, charge the public. If not, charge non-members
ore but don't limit the times the public can attend.
Carey Probst
Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
Perm: hcprobst@...
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

n 4/26/2010 12:04 PM, Nick wrote:

Friends,

If York become an "open" show, I truely believe that it will lose
something. It sounds a bit snobbish, but I like having something that
is exclusive to our group. To me, it is worth the price of membership
in a time where money is tight. The Eastern Division knows it is
considered a "jewel" among the members and changing times might
dictate some changes but if it is opened to the public, a lot of
members will no longer have the safety net that permits paying by
check and trusting the honor code from the Association.

I hope that despite the few "bad" points, York will remain exclusive
to TCA members. It is truly something I look forward to and I hope it
remains so.

Respectfully,
Nick Kulp

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60280 From: Bruce Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: ebay item
The trucks are worth $2.99, but the shipping charges are nutso.

Bruce



From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:13 AM
To: Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard
Subject: [S-Trains] ebay item



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140402215247&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:US:1123
The world's famous gondola with hole in side has been relisted, at a lower price and with additional items to tempt one.

Now I see a bidding war here.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60281 From: pab11147 Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
It may seem obvious from some of the comments already made on this subject, but in order for dealers to remain viable financially over the long term, this show will have to be open to the public. This is a more vital issue, I think, from an S-scale dealer's perspective since the field of interest is so significantly narrower than for other types of trains and also due to the aging factor of the target customer. If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA members on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general.

I am a TCA member and not a dealer, but I have wondered to myself how long the current Meet structure can last in the face of declining sales/ general interest. As some have correctly observed, this is a new high-tech world that offers myriad other arenas of interest for younger people. Whether we like it or not, in my opinion, interest in model trains is shrinking in no small measure.

Paul B.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60282 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Harwood,
Thanks for the tease on the 24003, as I did not see you, as I said, but I did see your table and there was none on it. LOL

I will keep looking.

Oh great, it is in TWO sets for 58 and I have not even started that set yet. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations





I agree, the best day for sales was Friday. Still hav'nt sold my 24003 though. Sold a beautiful Silver Streak set and numerous accessories. Thought I would have sold my "open slat" 929, but to no avail.
Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: rbubeck327@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:10 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations

I, too, like the old scheme better. Having stated that, however, ED
volunteers organize the meet very well and my experience and that of my friends is
always very rewarding and a lot of fun. I acquired some nifty pieces of
vintage Gilbert Flyer, as I almost always do. The Gilbert get-together is
always illuminating. Catching up with fellow Gilbert enthusiasts is a super
experience.

My table buddies and I had very good sales, overall. The best traffic and
sales were on Friday. Those who made few or no sales might want to
reconsider their pricing or what they selected to sell.

Opening the meet to the public is a non-starter. Under the present
arrangement, the PA and local tax collectors are held at bay for TCA members and
their table commerce. This would likely not remain so under a public access
arrangement.

After every York, we endure the usual bellyaching. Bore, bore, bore. ;-)

Bob Bubeck

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60283 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Bill,

I wrote about that show at Chantilly.

Great show, not much in AF however.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations



I would like to chime in here about York. I have been a few times. Most of my life I lived on the West Coast and attended TTOS meets. Very lively, trading, cameraderie, auctions and so forth. However, York got the holy grail buzz but I never had the time or money to go. Then I moved to the DC suburbs and York was a couple of hours drive away. I went but found I could not get in because I had not renewed my TCA membership for ten years. Either fork over ten years worth of dues (no ten years of benefits here) or open a new membership - problem, needed someone to sign and I am at the registration desk and don't know anyone and my train collecting friends are all on the West Coast. But I did know of Bob Tufts - so I called his cell phone and he came up to the front and signed me in. Great. Lots of trains (it is Saturday and the great stuff is gone or too expensive) I look around but before I can make it through all of the halls, everyone starts to pack up. I
work and can't or don't want to devote a couple of vacation days to going on Thursday and Friday. Result not much fun as a collector. Paid for a three day meet but got about 1/2 day. TCA seems arrogant compared to TTOS and has lots of crazy good old boy rules. Not friendly to the public so doesn't get new people interested in the hobby.

No one has mentioned the Great Train Expo at the Dulles Expo center a couple of weeks ago. This open to the public show set a new attendance record of over 40,000 attendees for a Saturday/Sunday event. If I were a vendor I know where I would go. Indicates a strong, healthy hobby. TCA York attendance indicates a losing attitude to keeping the circle closed so the good ol' boys can get a bargain or two for themselves.

Are there good people in TCA - sure, but the management seems to be self centered navel worshippers trying to selfishly keep the collecting gems for the annointed few while not contributing to opening the hobby to new participants. No wonder attendance is off. I haven't been in about 5 years and don't seem to be missing it. The dues and fees have gone to buying items for my collection instead of reinforcing bad policy.

My two cents.

Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 60284 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Thanks for your offer. It's not the money but now you and Harwood have
given me more information than I gleaned from the TCA site which was
very helpful.

And explains why the site doesn't grab me to join like the NASG does or
the BMWCCA site did.

I recently returned to model railroading after quite a few years absence
due to a lack of time and lack of facilities to do what I really like
about the hobby which is the model construction part.

I started with American Flyer but really am not a collector, but I still
buy interesting Flyer equipment for when I set up my layout now that I
have the time and soon will have the room for a layout.

The modeling part is what interests me so now that I see that TCA really
does mean COLLECTOR, I understand. I had visited the TCA museum years
ago and found it really interesting and hope to make it back again but
it just doesn't make a good fit for me.

thanks again

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60285 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Mike
 
Point being the show attendance isn't down in general and that the York arrangement/format may be the restriction. If TCA wants to keep the format knowingly, then the consequence may be continuing reduced interest in TCA, not in the hobby.
 
Bill

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:48 PM


 



Bill,

I wrote about that show at Chantilly.

Great show, not much in AF however.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations

I would like to chime in here about York. I have been a few times. Most of my life I lived on the West Coast and attended TTOS meets. Very lively, trading, cameraderie, auctions and so forth. However, York got the holy grail buzz but I never had the time or money to go. Then I moved to the DC suburbs and York was a couple of hours drive away. I went but found I could not get in because I had not renewed my TCA membership for ten years. Either fork over ten years worth of dues (no ten years of benefits here) or open a new membership - problem, needed someone to sign and I am at the registration desk and don't know anyone and my train collecting friends are all on the West Coast. But I did know of Bob Tufts - so I called his cell phone and he came up to the front and signed me in. Great. Lots of trains (it is Saturday and the great stuff is gone or too expensive) I look around but before I can make it through all of the halls, everyone starts to pack up. I
work and can't or don't want to devote a couple of vacation days to going on Thursday and Friday. Result not much fun as a collector. Paid for a three day meet but got about 1/2 day. TCA seems arrogant compared to TTOS and has lots of crazy good old boy rules. Not friendly to the public so doesn't get new people interested in the hobby.

No one has mentioned the Great Train Expo at the Dulles Expo center a couple of weeks ago. This open to the public show set a new attendance record of over 40,000 attendees for a Saturday/Sunday event. If I were a vendor I know where I would go. Indicates a strong, healthy hobby. TCA York attendance indicates a losing attitude to keeping the circle closed so the good ol' boys can get a bargain or two for themselves.

Are there good people in TCA - sure, but the management seems to be self centered navel worshippers trying to selfishly keep the collecting gems for the annointed few while not contributing to opening the hobby to new participants. No wonder attendance is off. I haven't been in about 5 years and don't seem to be missing it. The dues and fees have gone to buying items for my collection instead of reinforcing bad policy.

My two cents.

Bill Drake











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60286 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
You are quite welcome, as to be honest, I get more out of the TCA then the
NASG.

I did drop out of the NASG in the 90's but rejoined.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carey Probst" <carey@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations


> Thanks for your offer. It's not the money but now you and Harwood have
> given me more information than I gleaned from the TCA site which was
> very helpful.
>
> And explains why the site doesn't grab me to join like the NASG does or
> the BMWCCA site did.
>
> I recently returned to model railroading after quite a few years absence
> due to a lack of time and lack of facilities to do what I really like
> about the hobby which is the model construction part.
>
> I started with American Flyer but really am not a collector, but I still
> buy interesting Flyer equipment for when I set up my layout now that I
> have the time and soon will have the room for a layout.
>
> The modeling part is what interests me so now that I see that TCA really
> does mean COLLECTOR, I understand. I had visited the TCA museum years
> ago and found it really interesting and hope to make it back again but
> it just doesn't make a good fit for me.
>
> thanks again
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> Perm: hcprobst@...
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60287 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
In a message dated 4/27/2010 7:16:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pab1147@... writes:

If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA members
on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat
higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general

The show is now open exclusively to members all three days. Few members
attend on Saturday, NEVER has there been a wish to open the Member Halls to
the public, ONLY the Dealer Halls, Orange, Purple & Brown, PLUS the display
hall, Black. Anyone wishing to see those halls would pay an amount most
likely close to what members pay for all three days. If you go to any "public"
show, the admission is not free, Greenberg is now $7. per adult, was in
January when they had HALF of the "Orange" hall, with prox 300 tables.

AS for strollers, that means YOUNG families, potential NEW interest,
CHILDREN, something this hobby sorely needs to survive at all. I THANK
parents/Grandparents for bringing their kids along. We deal with strollers, walkers,
scooters, motor-chairs all the time, in every day life. I would point
out to those most opposed, it doesn't take much to find yourself in a motor
chair. Been there, it was that or stay home, hungry.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60288 From: grdobbs Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: TCA me observations
TCA An ordination for people that love all kinds trains, but,
TCA is as interested in it's members as it is in the trains. Cost is less
that a meal at an up scale restaurant, a ski ticket, or other
entertainment. It is easy to join, but just as easy to be asked to
leave, for misconduct.

Several publication, articles about all kinds of trains and train
people, written by members as well as noted authors.

TCA conventions in different parts of the country, sponsored by members,
A week of trains and , sight seeing with people who open there houses to
visiting members.

From my own experiences, I have met so many wonderful people from all
over this country ( and over seas ). People that take time to show me
there hospitality. I have never had a bad experience dealing with any
TCA member.

If your only interested is buying cheep trains and selling high priced
trains, you are welcome to attend as the general public and sell through
E-bay.

If you feel that this club is not for you, you could be right, please,
please don't join.

Jerry HR 77-11644

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60289 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: TCA
There is one benefit that you get from the TCA that I have not seen from any other train organization and that is buyer protection.

No matter where you buy a train, whether at a show, TCA or non TCA, on line like Ebay, in person someone, if you have a dispute and the seller or buyer does not take care of it, you can get the TCA involved with it. Might not get settled, but you have some backing.

I wrote about this before as I had a big dispute with a TCA member for selling me a E 21130 as he said the engine was not broken and nothing missing. He said all steps present.

I assume that all steps where present and not broken then.

I won this for 626.00. I got the engine and all the steps where glued on the tender!

Well, I got my money back, as he blamed me for not asking if the steps where glued! However the guy charge me his ebay fee! 18. I was not going to argue was I was happy to get 608 back, as it cost me 25 in postage back and forth as he overcharged me 10 on the way down to me. He gave me the 10 back. So it cost me overall 43.

Had he not refunded the money then I would file a complaint against him. He lives in Reading PA.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60290 From: Ed Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: National Train Show 2011..............(time deadline May 1st)
Gentlemen.....

The National Train Show (NTS) is considered by many to be the largest model railroad oriented trade show in America with over 400 vendor booths and numerous operating layouts of all scales -- not to mention 12,000 attendees. Registrants of the NASG/NMRA convention in Sacramento will be able to attend the NTS for three days at no
additional cost. NTS admission fees are included in the convention
registration charge. The following paragraphs, excerpted from the
convention web site at:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

will explain the time deadline which is of interest to all
manufacturers/publishers/clubs/dealers/sellers, etc. that are planning to have a selling booth or display layout at the NTS. If you place your name on the NTS mailing list before May 1st, you will receive the information package at the earliest possible date. Procrastinating will not work to anyone's advantage since the reserved spaces sell out very quickly -- usually a full year ahead of time.

We have made special arrangements for S-oriented booths and layouts to be located together. To be included in this S grouping, you must conspicuously write "S GROUPING" on the NTS forms when ordering your booth or modular layout display space. Large red lettering with a felt tipped pen is advised. The early bird gets the worm in this case. Late requests might not be honored if space is no longer available. It is STRONGLY advised that booths and layout display areas be ordered PRIOR to the 2010 NMRA convention in Milwaukee, WI. It is not unusual for space to be nearly sold out one full
year in advance.

Detailed information regarding selling and display booth space at the 2011 NTS will be mailed out on May 30, 2010. Contact Debbie Draper at
1-602-569-9072 or NATLTRAINSHOW@... to order an NTS registration
information package prior to May 1, 2010.

NASG usually has a booth as well as several other S/Sn3 manufacturers.
Let's put on a good show for the our non-S brothers.

See you in "S"acto.....

Ed Loizeaux
S Scale Coordinator
Group: S-Trains Message: 60291 From: kellstar120 Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Casey Jones
Hi Everyone,

I have been a member of this group for a long time but this is the first I have posted here. I have a question, I know this is not the favorite of the group but I was wondering, all american flyer trains were modeled after a real train and I can find pictures of them easy enough, but what was the casey jones modeled after? Are there any pictures of the prototype?
I am a modeler on a shoe string, I have serveral american flyer trains including some from when I was a kid. Thought the years I would pick up one or two items here and there but it wasn't till about 8 years ago that I was able to build my dream layout when my son moved out, got his room. My dream layout is actually three layers, S up front, HO half way up the mountain and N on top which is a layout I started on 40 years ago because that is what I had room for. This trian layout is not a prototype of anyplace or any road, it is just the toy train layout I always wanted as a kid. So if the trains or houses etc are not to scale, no big deal, but in the same case I do love to detail to make it look real. I picked up a few casey jones to run to save on my good stuff and even though they are the cheapest trains american flyer ever built, they are still miles above the cheap junk coming out of china today. I have a lonel dockside but I don't feel that is going to last the 50 years my cheap casey jones have. Cheap that they are, they are every reliable in my operation and carry the bulk of the load from mainline to switching. I find when I add clay in the boiler I can get one of those things to pull 10 or more cars. My wife appreciates them because they are quiet, she can actually hear the TV over the train noise in the room next door. Because no one wants them I find I can buy them at the right places for dirt cheap. My feat has grown to six of them. I don't feel bad modifing them because they will never become wought anything anyway. First two things I do is shorten the draw bar and make my own simple side rods. Both improve the looks 100%. I will have to post some pictures of my layout some day. It kind of what to good if you can't deside which scale you like the best, though I thing S is.

Pete Kellermann
Group: S-Trains Message: 60292 From: Ben Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I won't get into any shooting matches here, but York is not the only reason to join TCA. If that is the way a majority of the membership feels, (and I have talked to many, many members who say it is) I think it is kinda sad. There is much more to our organization than just York. Truth be told, I joined to attend York meets...but have since found so many other great perks to membership that York is just a really good part of it. I wouldn't be lost without it, though.


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> Ben, I think we need to consider our tax exempt status. You know what has happen over at the "Billy Bud", we might loose it locally and maybe state wide. If the public wants to buy, let them join the TCA. If we let the public in there is no need for them to join TCA.
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> From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 3:16 pm
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
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> I agree with Jim on this one...the show needs to be opened to the public on Saturday. I know the TCA arguments that this is a "special event" so catered to TCA members only and their guests. True. I attended as a guest in 1987 for the first time. It was special.
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> I was just glad to hear slightly less screaming about visible cell phones this York. Another thing that should and most likely will change in years to come.
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> Ben
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60293 From: Bob Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends April 30
Good afternoon. A reminder that time is running out on our special subscription promotion. The promotion ends April 30. This promotion was mailed out a couple of weeks ago to all lapsed subscribers of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine since the change in ownership and is not available online, so act now to get a great deal!

Remember, there is a choice in S scale magazines. And don't forget to check out our Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com to preview the current issue and to download a list of available back issues.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
"The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"
Group: S-Trains Message: 60294 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Jim and all,

You need to voice your opinions on things about York to the Eastern Division.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations




In a message dated 4/27/2010 7:16:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pab1147@... writes:

If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA members
on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat
higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general

The show is now open exclusively to members all three days. Few members
attend on Saturday, NEVER has there been a wish to open the Member Halls to
the public, ONLY the Dealer Halls, Orange, Purple & Brown, PLUS the display
hall, Black. Anyone wishing to see those halls would pay an amount most
likely close to what members pay for all three days. If you go to any "public"
show, the admission is not free, Greenberg is now $7. per adult, was in
January when they had HALF of the "Orange" hall, with prox 300 tables.

AS for strollers, that means YOUNG families, potential NEW interest,
CHILDREN, something this hobby sorely needs to survive at all. I THANK
parents/Grandparents for bringing their kids along. We deal with strollers, walkers,
scooters, motor-chairs all the time, in every day life. I would point
out to those most opposed, it doesn't take much to find yourself in a motor
chair. Been there, it was that or stay home, hungry.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60295 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Hi Bill,

I only wrote as you said no one wrote about the show in Chantilly as I did write about the show in the end of January.

I wasn't going in the TCA policies as this is a tough call.

Not only is membership down, but vendors will be done in time, as the White Hall had less vendors in it.

Again, thanks Bill for telling me you would look for that 21115 article when you had the time. You really got your hands full. Best of luck with all of it.

Mike
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From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations



Mike

Point being the show attendance isn't down in general and that the York arrangement/format may be the restriction. If TCA wants to keep the format knowingly, then the consequence may be continuing reduced interest in TCA, not in the hobby.

Bill

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:48 PM



Bill,

I wrote about that show at Chantilly.

Great show, not much in AF however.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations

I would like to chime in here about York. I have been a few times. Most of my life I lived on the West Coast and attended TTOS meets. Very lively, trading, cameraderie, auctions and so forth. However, York got the holy grail buzz but I never had the time or money to go. Then I moved to the DC suburbs and York was a couple of hours drive away. I went but found I could not get in because I had not renewed my TCA membership for ten years. Either fork over ten years worth of dues (no ten years of benefits here) or open a new membership - problem, needed someone to sign and I am at the registration desk and don't know anyone and my train collecting friends are all on the West Coast. But I did know of Bob Tufts - so I called his cell phone and he came up to the front and signed me in. Great. Lots of trains (it is Saturday and the great stuff is gone or too expensive) I look around but before I can make it through all of the halls, everyone starts to pack up. I
work and can't or don't want to devote a couple of vacation days to going on Thursday and Friday. Result not much fun as a collector. Paid for a three day meet but got about 1/2 day. TCA seems arrogant compared to TTOS and has lots of crazy good old boy rules. Not friendly to the public so doesn't get new people interested in the hobby.

No one has mentioned the Great Train Expo at the Dulles Expo center a couple of weeks ago. This open to the public show set a new attendance record of over 40,000 attendees for a Saturday/Sunday event. If I were a vendor I know where I would go. Indicates a strong, healthy hobby. TCA York attendance indicates a losing attitude to keeping the circle closed so the good ol' boys can get a bargain or two for themselves.

Are there good people in TCA - sure, but the management seems to be self centered navel worshippers trying to selfishly keep the collecting gems for the annointed few while not contributing to opening the hobby to new participants. No wonder attendance is off. I haven't been in about 5 years and don't seem to be missing it. The dues and fees have gone to buying items for my collection instead of reinforcing bad policy.

My two cents.

Bill Drake

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60296 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: value of a S scale kitbashed layout?
I got this email below today, as someone is trying to put the value on a S scale kitbashed layout with cars and engines.

If anyone has any clue on to put a value on something like this, please post them and I can forward to the person who sent me this.

there is a article about the layout as I will see if I post it in files.

Thanks so much.

Mike
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Hi Clem,

I have a dual-hat challenge ... as Board President of the County's
Arts Council, and as a toy train guy. Bob Koenke
(http://www.robertkoenke.com/) is appraising works of Francis Lee
Jaques that includes a train layout asked me for advice.

Jaques was a wildlife artist who is notable for painting the backdrops
of exhibits at the N.Y. Museum of Natural History and other musuems.
He worked as a fireman (on Mikados and other engines) before earning a
living as an artist, which explains his interest in trains.

From what I am able to deduce from photos, summaries of model
railroad magazine articles on the layout, and train blog comments, the
layout is S-Gauge (lots of hand-laid track) with superb scenery that
blends into backdrops. A 3-dimensioned work of art. The engines and
rolling stock are American Flyer kitbashed to whatever Jaques wanted
to portray on his layout. One blog comment on the trains was it was
O-scale on 3-1/2 ft narrow gauge (S track). I concur with the O-scale
assessment based on photographs of layout structures and a tender
shell ... the tender is about the same width of a 2-1/4 x 3-1/4
snapshot (contact print?) in a display case.

So my question is how to proceed and advise Bob on placing a value on
the trains and layout? Any thoughts on how to value kit-bashed trains?

Do you know of S-Gauge collectors who may have old magazines with
articles on the layout?

I have attached a summary of what I have found about Jaques and his
layout on the web. Bob has additional photographs of the layout and
display items.

Thanks,
John
Cell 410 490 6040



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60297 From: Ben Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Casey Jones
Good to hear from you, Pete. Thanks for posting! You are like many of us building our collections on a budget. I run a lot of new S Helper and Lionel AF since it "runs" better than olf Flyer. However, I always have at least one original Flyer on the tracks. I too have a four gauge layout...S, HO, N, Z. It is a lot of fun. I modify things to suit my needs and touch up scratches in rolling stock with an appropriate Sharpie marker. I have lots of fun with the cheap stuff...but it is also fun to splurge every once in a while. My favorite AF train is the circus train...mostly reproductions...but it is a lot of fun and very colorful

Enjoy your trains your way. Nothing could be better! Would love to see your improved Casey Jones locos.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "kellstar120" <kellstar60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have been a member of this group for a long time but this is the first I have posted here. I have a question, I know this is not the favorite of the group but I was wondering, all american flyer trains were modeled after a real train and I can find pictures of them easy enough, but what was the casey jones modeled after? Are there any pictures of the prototype?
> I am a modeler on a shoe string, I have serveral american flyer trains including some from when I was a kid. Thought the years I would pick up one or two items here and there but it wasn't till about 8 years ago that I was able to build my dream layout when my son moved out, got his room. My dream layout is actually three layers, S up front, HO half way up the mountain and N on top which is a layout I started on 40 years ago because that is what I had room for. This trian layout is not a prototype of anyplace or any road, it is just the toy train layout I always wanted as a kid. So if the trains or houses etc are not to scale, no big deal, but in the same case I do love to detail to make it look real. I picked up a few casey jones to run to save on my good stuff and even though they are the cheapest trains american flyer ever built, they are still miles above the cheap junk coming out of china today. I have a lonel dockside but I don't feel that is going to last the 50 years my cheap casey jones have. Cheap that they are, they are every reliable in my operation and carry the bulk of the load from mainline to switching. I find when I add clay in the boiler I can get one of those things to pull 10 or more cars. My wife appreciates them because they are quiet, she can actually hear the TV over the train noise in the room next door. Because no one wants them I find I can buy them at the right places for dirt cheap. My feat has grown to six of them. I don't feel bad modifing them because they will never become wought anything anyway. First two things I do is shorten the draw bar and make my own simple side rods. Both improve the looks 100%. I will have to post some pictures of my layout some day. It kind of what to good if you can't deside which scale you like the best, though I thing S is.
>
> Pete Kellermann
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60298 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Article Kit Bash Layout
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EBjXS6a0w4uVtvlmZD9zae7LGbtJ7RgBkqjPzTErz3X8FkrIU7pTGa2KdrstGQ8j4wCt6y35fpHRDD3lXBhs4sw-0rOwSQKlXQ/Francis%20Lee%20Jaques%20model%20railroad.doc

The article about the Kit Bash layout, as the trains are later in the article.

Again, how would one put a value on this layout?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60299 From: richs009 Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Article Kit Bash Layout
Mike - your link below doesn't open. Did you post files or pictures elsewhere?

I'm curious about this - especially the info in your previous post. Jaques was, apparently a world renown diorama creator and bird painter - with much of his work in the American Natural History Museum in NYC (once again, the power of Google...). He also created - after he retired and returned to Minnesota - a "working railroad diorama" in the Minnesota Mining Museum http://www.mnmuseumofmining.org Is this what your original post refers to - or is there another such diorama (or even another "Francis Lee Jaques")??

There is an article in S-Gaugian from the 1980's - maybe you know about that? I don't have it. One of the pieces I read said that his kit-bashing for the diorama was based on Flyer running hardware - loco chassis, etc. and that it is a narrow gauge model (On3?).

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
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> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EBjXS6a0w4uVtvlmZD9zae7LGbtJ7RgBkqjPzTErz3X8FkrIU7pTGa2KdrstGQ8j4wCt6y35fpHRDD3lXBhs4sw-0rOwSQKlXQ/Francis%20Lee%20Jaques%20model%20railroad.doc
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> The article about the Kit Bash layout, as the trains are later in the article.
>
> Again, how would one put a value on this layout?
>
> Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60300 From: O. Lee Barnett Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends April 30
I have been receiving your emails to the S-trains group since Nov last year
but as a tax accountant haven't had time to check it out until now. I don't
know whether I qualify for your subscrition promo or even what it is but I
have interest if you could let me know what my status would be. Thank you

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <bobnalbone04@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends
April 30


> Good afternoon. A reminder that time is running out on our special
> subscription promotion. The promotion ends April 30. This promotion was
> mailed out a couple of weeks ago to all lapsed subscribers of the 1:64
> Modeling Guide magazine since the change in ownership and is not available
> online, so act now to get a great deal!
>
> Remember, there is a choice in S scale magazines. And don't forget to
> check out our Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com to preview the current
> issue and to download a list of available back issues.
>
> Bob Nalbone
> Editor & Publisher
> 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
> "The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"
>
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> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60301 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Article Kit Bash Layout
That link is to the S scale list.

If it does not work here and any one wants to read it as I got good answers from the scale list, I can put it on files on the S list.

mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S trains
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Article Kit Bash Layout



http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EBjXS6a0w4uVtvlmZD9zae7LGbtJ7RgBkqjPzTErz3X8FkrIU7pTGa2KdrstGQ8j4wCt6y35fpHRDD3lXBhs4sw-0rOwSQKlXQ/Francis%20Lee%20Jaques%20model%20railroad.doc

The article about the Kit Bash layout, as the trains are later in the article.

Again, how would one put a value on this layout?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60302 From: David Engle Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends April 30
You have my check, sir? DJE-KCMO


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Subscription Promotion Ends April 30



Good afternoon. A reminder that time is running out on our special subscription promotion. The promotion ends April 30. This promotion was mailed out a couple of weeks ago to all lapsed subscribers of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine since the change in ownership and is not available online, so act now to get a great deal!

Remember, there is a choice in S scale magazines. And don't forget to check out our Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com to preview the current issue and to download a list of available back issues.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
"The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60303 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: York dealer
I had on a Maine Black Bears Hockey t shirt, as I do not own train t shirts. LOL

We go to Maine all the time, as many of know and we adopted the Black Bears as a favorite college Hockey team to follow.

One vendor saw the shirt and thought we where from Maine.

I said no and I explain as he lived in Gorham, Maine a NW suburb of Portland.

He is a retired admission director from a college.

We had a nice talk about Maine and baseball as he loved the Brooklyn Dodgers as I told him I just finished a book about Walter O'Malley. All you still mad at O'Malley for moving the Dodgers, you are made at the wrong person. blame Robert Moses, who was the city planner and turned down O'Malley three times in him paying for the land and stadium. He just needed Moses to get him the land as a market area was getting ready to be condemned.

Anyway, he was not a AF seller and he had a beautiful 20730 1958 set, Sunshine Special with the T&P version of the engine, as that is rarer than the AF version. It was completely boxed with all the papers. He told me it was from a guy who just got divorced and he had to sell it. It was in very nice condition. He had 1200 on it and he said many told him to lower it.

I said this set is listed in the TM book at 2400 and that was a great price at 1200. I said if you are not in the hurry for the money, someone will buy it at 1200. He thanked me very much for my help with this.

I have some things to send him, which are not train items, so I think I have a new friend in Maine as I told him about the Sunrise Rail Trail in upper Maine which he did not know about.

he said if I needed to cash a check in Maine, come see him. that was very kind of him, but in today's world of credit cards I think I will be fine.

very nice person, Dennis Farrell is his name.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60304 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: From Toy Trains List
Hi Gang,

First let me say that the organizers of the York Meet need to be recognized
for their thankless efforts in putting this meet together. To Debbie, Sam,
and the cast of thousands or maybe hundreds, Thank You for your dedication
and do not let some of the comments on this forum and other forums
discourage you. You Guys and Girls did an outstanding job again this Spring and I am
looking forward to the fall meet.

The subject of opening the York Meet to the general public is discussed
every year on this forum and on other forums. I am a commercial
dealer,http:www.WirelessMicroColorCam.com so some of you might think my views are biased.
Well maybe they are and similar to the selfish views that some have posted
here this year that want to keep the meet closed to the public. Unlike most
of the attendees, I make my living selling products to the hobbyist so I
look at ways to increase my sales at all meets and that is called "Marketing".
I have made this statement before. Look at the published membership
numbers each time that you receive your copy of the "The National Headquarters
News". The membership has been on a decline since I became a member in 2004.
Some one posted here that the average age of the attendees at York was in
the late 40's. This may be true because the older members are dieing,
judging by the membership numbers posted, or are just too old and not capable of
making the trip. Of course you will find those who say that they have all of
the train stuff that they need and that is why they are not going to York.
We also have those that disagree with the TCA or the Eastern Divisions
rules and that is why they do not come to York. In any case, the membership
numbers in the TCA are in decline and so is the attendance and sales at most
train meets, York included.

Ask yourself, what can we do to increase the TCA membership and attendance
at the meet at York? These two questions are very much related. I think
that to increase membership in the TCA we need to have the dues that we pay
offer more than being allowed to attend a closed meet as some have posted
here. In a lot of ways the TCA does provide valuable items to the membership.
Just look through the pages of The National Headquarters News, a National
Convention, Kids Club, National Train Museum, Grading Standards, and a host of
other items. So then, what can we do to increase membership? It is
simple, open the York Meet to the general public so we can expose them to the
hobby and the TCA. But how can we do this without loosing membership? You have
all heard that "if the meet was open to the general public then I would not
pay to be a TCA member". Well it may be true that we might loose some
existing members but I think we will gain more new members than we loose. I
think we will loose more commercial dealers if we do not open the meet to the
general public to help increase sales. Commercial dealers go where the sales
are and the sales will increase if attendance increases at the meets we
attend. This is Basic Business 101, more people, more sales.

Let me propose the following solution to the two problems.

Thursday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
Friday - Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all Halls, 9:00 to 12:00
Saturday € ¦’¶ Member halls closed at 12:00 and members ship out
Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only,
12:00 to 6:00
Sunday - Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only, 10:00 € ¦’
¶ 4:00

On Saturday and Sunday, admission could be charged for the General Public
in each dealer hall at the doors. A price structure for admission could be
similar to Greenberg type shows. Members that have registered for the closed
portion of the meet would be allowed in at no extra charge. This added
income to the Division will be welcomed and the possibility of gaining
membership would help the TCA remain a viable organization. I think that this would
be a Win, Win situation. The members in the Member Halls would not be open
to the general public and therefore not have to charge sales tax. I would
be willing to pay a little extra for my table space in exchange for the
additional opportunity to make more sales on Saturday and Sunday and help the
Eastern Division recover the expense of the extra day. The members that need
to go home on Saturday are free to do so. The attendance on Saturday is
already low because a lot of members have left for home by then. This opens up
parking for the general public. One of the down sides is that The Eastern
Division may have to spend more money in local advertising but the increase
in admission charges will more than make up for it.

Just think of the opportunity that we all would have in signing up new
members. The clubs that set up layouts will be the most affected. We need to
offer some additional benefits to them for their efforts. Maybe free
registration for the members that work the layout.

I know that this post is long winded. I have sat back and read all of the
other posts and just thought it was my duty to offer this solution. Think
about it. Opening the meet to the public in this way would benefit all. We
already have possibly the best Model Train Show in this country, why not
make it even better.

I again want to thank Debbie, Sam, and the cast of thousands for providing
the York Experience. See you all in the Fall.

Jerry Truax 04-57500



My ONLY change would be to open Dealer halls to public at 9 AM on Sat.
Think Jerry has the plan.

Jim


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60305 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: Article Kit Bash Layout
Hi Rich,

that was for the S scale list, as I hit the S list by mistake, as I still need to load that to the S List which I will do now.

Sorry about that.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: richs009
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:10 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Article Kit Bash Layout



Mike - your link below doesn't open. Did you post files or pictures elsewhere?

I'm curious about this - especially the info in your previous post. Jaques was, apparently a world renown diorama creator and bird painter - with much of his work in the American Natural History Museum in NYC (once again, the power of Google...). He also created - after he retired and returned to Minnesota - a "working railroad diorama" in the Minnesota Mining Museum http://www.mnmuseumofmining.org Is this what your original post refers to - or is there another such diorama (or even another "Francis Lee Jaques")??

There is an article in S-Gaugian from the 1980's - maybe you know about that? I don't have it. One of the pieces I read said that his kit-bashing for the diorama was based on Flyer running hardware - loco chassis, etc. and that it is a narrow gauge model (On3?).

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EBjXS6a0w4uVtvlmZD9zae7LGbtJ7RgBkqjPzTErz3X8FkrIU7pTGa2KdrstGQ8j4wCt6y35fpHRDD3lXBhs4sw-0rOwSQKlXQ/Francis%20Lee%20Jaques%20model%20railroad.doc
>
> The article about the Kit Bash layout, as the trains are later in the article.
>
> Again, how would one put a value on this layout?
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60306 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: File
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cGzXS4oq5N3FufGSYAbk1DdqXv312-dPvHoDZ3LeaZIBSS5ZhJQKt25UuG332BNB0WK1UZDvtmCoAGMnwKT-TWKRaUrJyOpt/Francis%20Lee%20Jaques%20model%20railroad.doc

Here is the link on the S list.

If it does not open it is under files and Frances Jacques.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60307 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Link to article
I think the posted link I sent might not work.

If so, go to files and look for Francis Jacques.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60308 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/27/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
In a message dated 4/27/2010 6:36:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

You need to voice your opinions on things about York to the Eastern
Division.

Mike

For years and years, my friend.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60309 From: AlR Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: American Models trains for Sale
American Models trains for Sale:
========================================
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AM # 509 American Maze Tank Car $ 19.95
AM #0019 RailBox Boxcar $ 39.95
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(AC powered Hi-Rail- has had some playwear)
All cars have hi-rail wheelsets. American Models
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Photos Available - Shipping extra
E-mail me off list if interested.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60310 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Paul,

Interest in model trains has been shrinking since the 60's. In order to bolster TCA membership, we should require that people become members in order to be able to be eligible to buy "the good stuff" at the serious shows, like York and Cal-Stewart. Those that are train-oriented will do just that. Those that are "looky-lou's" will never be serious about spending the required dollars for true collector pieces. Yes, they may be tempted by the common items, but unless they are true collectors, rail fans, or modelers, they will never lay out the big bucks to keep our beloved hobby afloat. The price of a 931 gondola or a 930 caboose will not keep us "trucking" along. Once something previously unobtainable becomes widely available to everyone, it is no longer special and thus, no longer desirable. That is human nature.

TCA is special. We should honor and keep it that way.

My opinion.

Bruce



From: pab11147
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



It may seem obvious from some of the comments already made on this subject, but in order for dealers to remain viable financially over the long term, this show will have to be open to the public. This is a more vital issue, I think, from an S-scale dealer's perspective since the field of interest is so significantly narrower than for other types of trains and also due to the aging factor of the target customer. If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA members on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general.

I am a TCA member and not a dealer, but I have wondered to myself how long the current Meet structure can last in the face of declining sales/ general interest. As some have correctly observed, this is a new high-tech world that offers myriad other arenas of interest for younger people. Whether we like it or not, in my opinion, interest in model trains is shrinking in no small measure.

Paul B.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60311 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Jerry,

You are right on track, my friend! If profit is the motivating factor for those prospective members that endeavor to join the association, please do not join.

Bruce



From: grdobbs
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:11 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TCA me observations



TCA An ordination for people that love all kinds trains, but,
TCA is as interested in it's members as it is in the trains. Cost is less
that a meal at an up scale restaurant, a ski ticket, or other
entertainment. It is easy to join, but just as easy to be asked to
leave, for misconduct.

Several publication, articles about all kinds of trains and train
people, written by members as well as noted authors.

TCA conventions in different parts of the country, sponsored by members,
A week of trains and , sight seeing with people who open there houses to
visiting members.

From my own experiences, I have met so many wonderful people from all
over this country ( and over seas ). People that take time to show me
there hospitality. I have never had a bad experience dealing with any
TCA member.

If your only interested is buying cheep trains and selling high priced
trains, you are welcome to attend as the general public and sell through
E-bay.

If you feel that this club is not for you, you could be right, please,
please don't join.

Jerry HR 77-11644

__________________________________________________________
Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!
http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60312 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Mike -
 
I remember your review of the Chantilly show. I wasn't out to contradict you but the others describing doom and gloom for the hobby. Perhaps it is the "collecting" part of the hobby - therefor TCA that has a problem. My son and his friends aren't interested in collecting per se, but enjoy operating. The Chantilly show attendance versus York may simply reflect this.
 
Bill

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 11:50 AM


 



Hi Bill,

I only wrote as you said no one wrote about the show in Chantilly as I did write about the show in the end of January.

I wasn't going in the TCA policies as this is a tough call.

Not only is membership down, but vendors will be done in time, as the White Hall had less vendors in it.

Again, thanks Bill for telling me you would look for that 21115 article when you had the time. You really got your hands full. Best of luck with all of it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations

Mike

Point being the show attendance isn't down in general and that the York arrangement/ format may be the restriction. If TCA wants to keep the format knowingly, then the consequence may be continuing reduced interest in TCA, not in the hobby.

Bill

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:48 PM

Bill,

I wrote about that show at Chantilly.

Great show, not much in AF however.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations

I would like to chime in here about York. I have been a few times. Most of my life I lived on the West Coast and attended TTOS meets. Very lively, trading, cameraderie, auctions and so forth. However, York got the holy grail buzz but I never had the time or money to go. Then I moved to the DC suburbs and York was a couple of hours drive away. I went but found I could not get in because I had not renewed my TCA membership for ten years. Either fork over ten years worth of dues (no ten years of benefits here) or open a new membership - problem, needed someone to sign and I am at the registration desk and don't know anyone and my train collecting friends are all on the West Coast. But I did know of Bob Tufts - so I called his cell phone and he came up to the front and signed me in. Great. Lots of trains (it is Saturday and the great stuff is gone or too expensive) I look around but before I can make it through all of the halls, everyone starts to pack up. I
work and can't or don't want to devote a couple of vacation days to going on Thursday and Friday. Result not much fun as a collector. Paid for a three day meet but got about 1/2 day. TCA seems arrogant compared to TTOS and has lots of crazy good old boy rules. Not friendly to the public so doesn't get new people interested in the hobby.

No one has mentioned the Great Train Expo at the Dulles Expo center a couple of weeks ago. This open to the public show set a new attendance record of over 40,000 attendees for a Saturday/Sunday event. If I were a vendor I know where I would go. Indicates a strong, healthy hobby. TCA York attendance indicates a losing attitude to keeping the circle closed so the good ol' boys can get a bargain or two for themselves.

Are there good people in TCA - sure, but the management seems to be self centered navel worshippers trying to selfishly keep the collecting gems for the annointed few while not contributing to opening the hobby to new participants. No wonder attendance is off. I haven't been in about 5 years and don't seem to be missing it. The dues and fees have gone to buying items for my collection instead of reinforcing bad policy.

My two cents.

Bill Drake

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60313 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Jim,

The TCA has always been, and hopefully always be, furthering the hobby though camaraderie. It was never formed to be the catalyst of profits.

Bruce



From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:47 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations




In a message dated 4/27/2010 7:16:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pab1147@... writes:

If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA members
on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat
higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general

The show is now open exclusively to members all three days. Few members
attend on Saturday, NEVER has there been a wish to open the Member Halls to
the public, ONLY the Dealer Halls, Orange, Purple & Brown, PLUS the display
hall, Black. Anyone wishing to see those halls would pay an amount most
likely close to what members pay for all three days. If you go to any "public"
show, the admission is not free, Greenberg is now $7. per adult, was in
January when they had HALF of the "Orange" hall, with prox 300 tables.

AS for strollers, that means YOUNG families, potential NEW interest,
CHILDREN, something this hobby sorely needs to survive at all. I THANK
parents/Grandparents for bringing their kids along. We deal with strollers, walkers,
scooters, motor-chairs all the time, in every day life. I would point
out to those most opposed, it doesn't take much to find yourself in a motor
chair. Been there, it was that or stay home, hungry.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60314 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: York
Gentlemen,

I have read the multiple messages about the relevance of York and yea or nay
on the number of days etc. I was just wondering if anything of interest was
presented (e.g. new products, etc.) by the vendors for S. Did Lionel or
anyone else show something?

Regards,
Joe Haughney


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60315 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Hi Bill,

LOL That is okay, hobby has to be on the up since I started my layout spending all this money on it. LOL

I collect and now operate, but the Chantilly show was for operators in my opinion and that is good, as it helps keep the hobby alive.

You would be amazed at all the kids into the layout.

I think Don told me that a little kid loved the SHS layout at a show vs the HO trains he has.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations



Mike -

I remember your review of the Chantilly show. I wasn't out to contradict you but the others describing doom and gloom for the hobby. Perhaps it is the "collecting" part of the hobby - therefor TCA that has a problem. My son and his friends aren't interested in collecting per se, but enjoy operating. The Chantilly show attendance versus York may simply reflect this.

Bill

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 11:50 AM



Hi Bill,

I only wrote as you said no one wrote about the show in Chantilly as I did write about the show in the end of January.

I wasn't going in the TCA policies as this is a tough call.

Not only is membership down, but vendors will be done in time, as the White Hall had less vendors in it.

Again, thanks Bill for telling me you would look for that 21115 article when you had the time. You really got your hands full. Best of luck with all of it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations

Mike

Point being the show attendance isn't down in general and that the York arrangement/ format may be the restriction. If TCA wants to keep the format knowingly, then the consequence may be continuing reduced interest in TCA, not in the hobby.

Bill

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:48 PM

Bill,

I wrote about that show at Chantilly.

Great show, not much in AF however.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Observations

I would like to chime in here about York. I have been a few times. Most of my life I lived on the West Coast and attended TTOS meets. Very lively, trading, cameraderie, auctions and so forth. However, York got the holy grail buzz but I never had the time or money to go. Then I moved to the DC suburbs and York was a couple of hours drive away. I went but found I could not get in because I had not renewed my TCA membership for ten years. Either fork over ten years worth of dues (no ten years of benefits here) or open a new membership - problem, needed someone to sign and I am at the registration desk and don't know anyone and my train collecting friends are all on the West Coast. But I did know of Bob Tufts - so I called his cell phone and he came up to the front and signed me in. Great. Lots of trains (it is Saturday and the great stuff is gone or too expensive) I look around but before I can make it through all of the halls, everyone starts to pack up. I
work and can't or don't want to devote a couple of vacation days to going on Thursday and Friday. Result not much fun as a collector. Paid for a three day meet but got about 1/2 day. TCA seems arrogant compared to TTOS and has lots of crazy good old boy rules. Not friendly to the public so doesn't get new people interested in the hobby.

No one has mentioned the Great Train Expo at the Dulles Expo center a couple of weeks ago. This open to the public show set a new attendance record of over 40,000 attendees for a Saturday/Sunday event. If I were a vendor I know where I would go. Indicates a strong, healthy hobby. TCA York attendance indicates a losing attitude to keeping the circle closed so the good ol' boys can get a bargain or two for themselves.

Are there good people in TCA - sure, but the management seems to be self centered navel worshippers trying to selfishly keep the collecting gems for the annointed few while not contributing to opening the hobby to new participants. No wonder attendance is off. I haven't been in about 5 years and don't seem to be missing it. The dues and fees have gone to buying items for my collection instead of reinforcing bad policy.

My two cents.

Bill Drake

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60316 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
In a message dated 4/28/2010 6:45:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
goatfarm@... writes:

It was never formed to be the catalyst of profits.

The ONLY entities operating without profits in this country, are the
various governments. Look where that has gotten us.

Obviuosly nothing will change before the change is too late.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60317 From: Steven Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Set back....Now back on track size question
Hi all!
I had everything all set and layout plan in hand. Poof! had some medical issues and a fire...now have to start planning again...with much less space. How many more hurdles can a guy have!

Ok so my question is Tomalco track, 2 foot wide area... can I fit 4 tracks? and still have room for "other stuff"?

Picture a wide figure eight. All at least 2 foot with corners bigger of coarse, and one part of the figure eight being over 4 feet. I say figure eight because I need to have access to reach stuff. 13 foot wide figure eight 2 feet of bench...

So to run two lines in "loops" you end up with 4 tracks...

Thanks for any help
Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 60318 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
I did hear one guy complain about him doing a Greenberg show somewhere to another person and how he made no money. It was his first and last show.

So, you get complaints at non TCA events.

Sure, one needs to make money to cover expenses, etc, but maybe at times vendors just do not have anything no one wants at this time.

Doing one show and making a judgment like that I think is wrong.
He was in it for making the big bucks that did not pan out for him.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations



Jerry,

You are right on track, my friend! If profit is the motivating factor for those prospective members that endeavor to join the association, please do not join.

Bruce

From: grdobbs
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:11 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TCA me observations

TCA An ordination for people that love all kinds trains, but,
TCA is as interested in it's members as it is in the trains. Cost is less
that a meal at an up scale restaurant, a ski ticket, or other
entertainment. It is easy to join, but just as easy to be asked to
leave, for misconduct.

Several publication, articles about all kinds of trains and train
people, written by members as well as noted authors.

TCA conventions in different parts of the country, sponsored by members,
A week of trains and , sight seeing with people who open there houses to
visiting members.

From my own experiences, I have met so many wonderful people from all
over this country ( and over seas ). People that take time to show me
there hospitality. I have never had a bad experience dealing with any
TCA member.

If your only interested is buying cheep trains and selling high priced
trains, you are welcome to attend as the general public and sell through
E-bay.

If you feel that this club is not for you, you could be right, please,
please don't join.

Jerry HR 77-11644

__________________________________________________________
Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!
http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60319 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Are you really saying that dealers should not attend the show because
they make money?

Sounds to me like that attitude that will make sure only hobbyist
sellers come and dealers stay home.

Then who will attend your shows.

I've already decided I don't meet your standards so will not be joining.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/28/2010 2:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> You are right on track, my friend! If profit is the motivating factor
> for those prospective members that endeavor to join the association,
> please do not join.
>
> Bruce
>
> _,_._,___
Group: S-Trains Message: 60320 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: From Toy Trains List
This may work for some but by allowing only members on Thursday and
Friday it ensures that the good stuff is picked over before the public
is allowed in.

As a non-member, why would I attend a show knowing that the selections
were limited?

My feeling is you would only get York locals. I certainly wouldn't
drive the 150 miles knowing that.

Carey


On 4/27/2010 4:36 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
> Let me propose the following solution to the two problems.
>
> Thursday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
> Friday - Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all Halls, 9:00 to 12:00
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Member halls closed at 12:00 and members ship out
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only,
> 12:00 to 6:00
> Sunday - Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only, 10:00 € ¦’
> ¶ 4:00
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60321 From: Nick Kulp Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Carey,
 
I'm at the age where I still remember the American Flyer displays in the hardware store at Christmas. (No offense intended to those that call it something else).
 
These observations are a generalization, not necessarily just about York.
 
I also remember when train meets were started for folks to get rid of their excess or used trains for some extra cash in their pocket, not as a means to pay off their house and send the grandkids to college. They were more like garage sales than organized events. They were held in fire halls, church basements, and other public meeting halls.
 
>>>>>
Are you really saying that dealers should not attend the show because they make money?
>>>>>
 
Dealers started to come to these "local" events because they saw a new way to get rid of slower moving stock at reduced prices. They were happy to pay the small attendance fee for the opportunity.
 
As the show's popularity grew, more and more dealers started attending train shows. Some folks became show "gypsies" that only attended shows and did not have a store or business front.
 
Eventually, certain shows gained a reputation as being GREAT shows and things took off from there. More dealers, traveling greater distances, with bigger displays and HIGHER prices to cover those expenses.
 
As in everything else, those shows took on a new image. They were no longer the comfortable, friendly shows where you could meet old friends, chat with the table-holders about different unique items you owned, take your time and enjoy the show. You were shoved around because you stood at a table looking at an item, blocking the idiot trying to run by each table while looking for an item to buy and resell at 1000% profit. The shows became more commercial and less fun. Sellers were now selling "rare" and "collectible" items instead of toy trains.
 
>>>>>
Sounds to me like that attitude that will make sure only hobbyist sellers come and dealers stay home.
>>>>>
 
Occasionally, "change" does not necessarily improve things. More often than not, it destroys the thing that started it. It also takes someone with enough experience rather than "education" to know the difference. I have a lot of friends that are "educated idiots". First because they admit to being my friends, second, because they cannot tie their shoes without a schematic.
 
>>>>>
Then who will attend your shows.
>>>>>
 
Hopefully, the very same type of people that started them in the first place. They are the ones with enough vision to see that the hobby is not all about profit and the bottom line but it is about preservation and even admiration for the craftsmanship and hard work that was done to create toy trains that still run after 50-70 years. Today's Chinese imports rarely make it past the 4 year mark.
 
>>>>>>
I've already decided I don't meet your standards so will not be joining.
Carey Probst
>>>>>
 
No disrespect, but that will be your loss, as well as your choice. Perhaps TCA standards do serve a purpose after all.
 
Enjoy the hobby as will I,
Nick Kulp




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60322 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: From Toy Trains List
There is lots of AF.

15,000 come from all over the country, as I drive 90 miles on way. Another 60 should not be a deterrent.

I stay over as it is great to see many of the people on this list and the TCA list and have lunch and dinner. So, again, it is allot more you are missing out on. But that is your decision.

Try it for one year and then decide if you want to continue.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Carey Probst
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] From Toy Trains List



This may work for some but by allowing only members on Thursday and
Friday it ensures that the good stuff is picked over before the public
is allowed in.

As a non-member, why would I attend a show knowing that the selections
were limited?

My feeling is you would only get York locals. I certainly wouldn't
drive the 150 miles knowing that.

Carey

On 4/27/2010 4:36 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
> Let me propose the following solution to the two problems.
>
> Thursday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
> Friday - Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all Halls, 9:00 to 12:00
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Member halls closed at 12:00 and members ship out
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only,
> 12:00 to 6:00
> Sunday - Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only, 10:00 € ¦’
> ¶ 4:00
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60323 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Dealers should make money and sad that you judge this on one member's view?

Since you are on the MIT counsel, GO RED SOX.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Carey Probst
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations



Are you really saying that dealers should not attend the show because
they make money?

Sounds to me like that attitude that will make sure only hobbyist
sellers come and dealers stay home.

Then who will attend your shows.

I've already decided I don't meet your standards so will not be joining.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 4/28/2010 2:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> You are right on track, my friend! If profit is the motivating factor
> for those prospective members that endeavor to join the association,
> please do not join.
>
> Bruce
>
> _,_._,___




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60324 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York
Arttista has 15 new S scale figures including dogs, a dog house,
seated figures and firemen... They are not up on their website yet.
http://www.arttista.com/

Don


On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Joseph Haughney wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
> I have read the multiple messages about the relevance of York and
> yea or nay
> on the number of days etc. I was just wondering if anything of
> interest was
> presented (e.g. new products, etc.) by the vendors for S. Did Lionel
> or
> anyone else show something?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Haughney
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60325 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: York
Most of the manufacturers including Lionel, S Helper, MTH have booths.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Haughney
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] York



Gentlemen,

I have read the multiple messages about the relevance of York and yea or nay
on the number of days etc. I was just wondering if anything of interest was
presented (e.g. new products, etc.) by the vendors for S. Did Lionel or
anyone else show something?

Regards,
Joe Haughney

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60326 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Spring Spree Layout Tours
This weekend is the Spring S Spree in Dearborn Michigan. We think we have a great event lined up for you. Not just a dealer hall in a great location Friday (10A - 9P) and Saturday (9A - 3P), but interesting clinics, and layout tours Thursday Evening thru Sunday Afternoon.

If you're already registered and gave us a working e-mail address, you probably got my information on the layout tours already, and I hope you've responded. If not, but you're planning on coming, let me know by return e-mail, just to me, not this whole group - t dot hawley at comcast dot net, and I'll send you the information.

Layout hosts want to get some advanced notice, and they may cancell if not enough people indicate interest in advance.

Those hosting layout visits are

Jerry Poniatowski
Dave Campbell
Tom Hess
Gaylord Gill
Jim DeWitt
The Redford Model RR Club (HO)
Bob Stelmach
Brooks Stover
Jan Burdzinski
Dave Held
________________
Tom Hawley, Spree Committee

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60327 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Carey,

I think you took Bruce's message a bit wrong, as yes, the dealer should make money to cover their expenses.

But overall, the TCA is more about other things beside making profit.

We have education, preservation of toy trains, making friends, going to shows, getting publications, as you the Quarterly magazine and the TCA Newsletter that has items for sale by TCA members. I got a wonderful LN CN Reefer with the box by reading this newsletter for 300, what a deal.

I am sorry that you do not see the other things in this organization it has to offer. Do you belong to other organizations train or non train?

I do and the fees are never a problem to me, as think most of can afford a one time 25 application fee. I get back more overall than the money it cost for annual fees, as again, I give more to all the groups I am in.

Is it always about the money?

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations



Dealers should make money and sad that you judge this on one member's view?

Since you are on the MIT counsel, GO RED SOX.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Carey Probst
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations

Are you really saying that dealers should not attend the show because
they make money?

Sounds to me like that attitude that will make sure only hobbyist
sellers come and dealers stay home.

Then who will attend your shows.

I've already decided I don't meet your standards so will not be joining.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 4/28/2010 2:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> You are right on track, my friend! If profit is the motivating factor
> for those prospective members that endeavor to join the association,
> please do not join.
>
> Bruce
>
> _,_._,___

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60328 From: Bruce Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: From Toy Trains List
My only response here is that it is a closed meet to begin with. Naturally, paying members should be given the opportunity to "pick over the good stuff" before the public would be allowed to attend. Otherwise, where is the benefit to a paying member? Personally, I would prefer the current attendance stance.

The point is to recruit members to the club by displaying the perks of being a member. If membership perks didn't exist, what would be the benefit to a paying member? This is only common sense.

The cost of membership is not a bank-breaker and it offers many benefits.

Bruce



From: Carey Probst
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:59 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] From Toy Trains List



This may work for some but by allowing only members on Thursday and
Friday it ensures that the good stuff is picked over before the public
is allowed in.

As a non-member, why would I attend a show knowing that the selections
were limited?

My feeling is you would only get York locals. I certainly wouldn't
drive the 150 miles knowing that.

Carey

On 4/27/2010 4:36 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
> Let me propose the following solution to the two problems.
>
> Thursday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
> Friday - Open to members only, all halls, 9:00 to 7:00
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to members only, all Halls, 9:00 to 12:00
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Member halls closed at 12:00 and members ship out
> Saturday € ¦’¶ Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only,
> 12:00 to 6:00
> Sunday - Open to General Public, Dealer halls and Layouts only, 10:00 € ¦’
> ¶ 4:00
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60329 From: Bill Drake Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
In addition if you don't want profits - make the rule that all sales may only be for the amount the seller paid for the item and must prove it. Then check what the attendance will be... Actually I may be a buyer and attendee then. I'd like a State set for what the owner paid in 1977.
 
Bill Drake

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Carey Probst <carey@...> wrote:


From: Carey Probst <carey@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:17 AM


 



Are you really saying that dealers should not attend the show because
they make money?

Sounds to me like that attitude that will make sure only hobbyist
sellers come and dealers stay home.

Then who will attend your shows.

I've already decided I don't meet your standards so will not be joining.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@alum. mit.edu

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 4/28/2010 2:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> You are right on track, my friend! If profit is the motivating factor
> for those prospective members that endeavor to join the association,
> please do not join.
>
> Bruce
>
> _,_._,___










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Group: S-Trains Message: 60330 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/28/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Until I got laid of it was never about the money and it won't be once I
get recalled this summer. Right now things are very tight since the
Great State of NY decided I didn't qualify for unemployment because
(major crime coming) I used my savings before applying and then didn't
have enough credits to qualify. Sure glad I paid all those taxes to
them. But I digress.

It is not about the money. As I said in an earlier mail, it is really
about the interest. I am a member of many different organizations from
the Susquehanna S Gaugers to the BMW Car Club of America, to the NRA and
Concealed Carry Association and I keep my NRA instructor certifications
in Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun and Muzzleloading Rifle up to date. I plan to
rejoin the NASG as soon as I get back to work as well. I would be doing
Instructor Training for BMW High Performance Driving Schools in May if
not for the no job part. That one is about the money. Track time works
out to about $300/day for a 3 day weekend, not including hotel and meals
at Watkins Glen. Any year but this one I would be there.

I never said the TCA didn't have anything to offer, but that it had
nothing to offer me because my interests are in the modeling, not the
collecting and preservation.

I am a scale modeler who happens to like AF because that is how I got my
start and most of my engines have already been converted to DC. The
next step will be can motors and DCC. I will run a combination of
hi-rail and scale track including Sn3 because i do not wish to change
the wheelsets on the engines or cars that I have. I wouldn't buy a
collectible AF car because even in my mind it would be a crime to
convert like I do with the old, non-special AF I have. Damaged is fine
usually because it makes the basis for an interesting car.

I never thought that my comment on not joining because the TCA didn't
match my interests would cause such a controversy.

It still makes marketing sense to me to have York open to the public
though. I can't imagine what someone from the public would do to
violate protocol other than bringing a small hammer and breaking trains.

C

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/28/2010 4:27 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Carey,
>
> I think you took Bruce's message a bit wrong, as yes, the dealer
> should make money to cover their expenses.
>
> But overall, the TCA is more about other things beside making profit.
>
> We have education, preservation of toy trains, making friends, going
> to shows, getting publications, as you the Quarterly magazine and the
> TCA Newsletter that has items for sale by TCA members. I got a
> wonderful LN CN Reefer with the box by reading this newsletter for
> 300, what a deal.
>
> I am sorry that you do not see the other things in this organization
> it has to offer. Do you belong to other organizations train or non train?
>
> I do and the fees are never a problem to me, as think most of can
> afford a one time 25 application fee. I get back more overall than the
> money it cost for annual fees, as again, I give more to all the groups
> I am in.
>
> Is it always about the money?
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60331 From: John Metzger Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
THE MODEL TRAIN HOBBY MOTTO "IT'S JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT!" LETS STOP FIGHTING AND SHAKE HANDS. ALL ORGAIZATIONS HAVE SOME COST AND TIME COMMITMENTS. NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE AWAY THEIR TRAINS. IT'S FUN TO MAKE NEW FRIENDS, BARTER FOR THAT ITEM, BE LOOKING FOR THAT ITEM TO FILL YOUR COLLECTION OR TO UP GRADE IT.  IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO JOIN TCA, IT'S YOUR LOSS. WHEN AT A TRAIN SHOW AND YOU CAN PROVE YOUR TCA MEMBERSHIP, VENDERS THEN TAKE BANK CHECKS. THEY HAVE SOME TRUST IN YOU IN THE HOBBY. LET'S TRY TO GET ALONG.  JOHN F. METZGER, RN  TCA  91-33068



________________________________
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 3:27:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations

 
Carey,

I think you took Bruce's message a bit wrong, as yes, the dealer should make money to cover their expenses.

But overall, the TCA is more about other things beside making profit.

We have education, preservation of toy trains, making friends, going to shows, getting publications, as you the Quarterly magazine and the TCA Newsletter that has items for sale by TCA members. I got a wonderful LN CN Reefer with the box by reading this newsletter for 300, what a deal.

I am sorry that you do not see the other things in this organization it has to offer. Do you belong to other organizations train or non train?

I do and the fees are never a problem to me, as think most of can afford a one time 25 application fee. I get back more overall than the money it cost for annual fees, as again, I give more to all the groups I am in.

Is it always about the money?

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations

Dealers should make money and sad that you judge this on one member's view?

Since you are on the MIT counsel, GO RED SOX.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Carey Probst
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations

Are you really saying that dealers should not attend the show because
they make money?

Sounds to me like that attitude that will make sure only hobbyist
sellers come and dealers stay home.

Then who will attend your shows.

I've already decided I don't meet your standards so will not be joining.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@alum. mit.edu

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 4/28/2010 2:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> You are right on track, my friend! If profit is the motivating factor
> for those prospective members that endeavor to join the association,
> please do not join.
>
> Bruce
>
> _,_._,___

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60332 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA me observations
Carey,

I wish you the best with your employment situation as hopefully in time things will be better for you financially with new employment.

I have been on social security since I was 45 due to back problems, so I know what loss of income is like the last 10 years.

As for other organizations, the ones I belong are organizations like TCA that preserve things, like Rails to Trails, Acadia National Park, C&O Canal even a canal system in Lehigh PA that I never been too before. Not only do I give extra to the TCA but I give extra to the these groups in the preservation of what they are all about.

Hang in there, things will get better for you.

As far as York is concern, I think this is a never ending situation that can only be changed one way or the other by the Eastern Division and people writing to them.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: Carey Probst
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA me observations



Until I got laid of it was never about the money and it won't be once I
get recalled this summer. Right now things are very tight since the
Great State of NY decided I didn't qualify for unemployment because
(major crime coming) I used my savings before applying and then didn't
have enough credits to qualify. Sure glad I paid all those taxes to
them. But I digress.

It is not about the money. As I said in an earlier mail, it is really
about the interest. I am a member of many different organizations from
the Susquehanna S Gaugers to the BMW Car Club of America, to the NRA and
Concealed Carry Association and I keep my NRA instructor certifications
in Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun and Muzzleloading Rifle up to date. I plan to
rejoin the NASG as soon as I get back to work as well. I would be doing
Instructor Training for BMW High Performance Driving Schools in May if
not for the no job part. That one is about the money. Track time works
out to about $300/day for a 3 day weekend, not including hotel and meals
at Watkins Glen. Any year but this one I would be there.

I never said the TCA didn't have anything to offer, but that it had
nothing to offer me because my interests are in the modeling, not the
collecting and preservation.

I am a scale modeler who happens to like AF because that is how I got my
start and most of my engines have already been converted to DC. The
next step will be can motors and DCC. I will run a combination of
hi-rail and scale track including Sn3 because i do not wish to change
the wheelsets on the engines or cars that I have. I wouldn't buy a
collectible AF car because even in my mind it would be a crime to
convert like I do with the old, non-special AF I have. Damaged is fine
usually because it makes the basis for an interesting car.

I never thought that my comment on not joining because the TCA didn't
match my interests would cause such a controversy.

It still makes marketing sense to me to have York open to the public
though. I can't imagine what someone from the public would do to
violate protocol other than bringing a small hammer and breaking trains.

C

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 4/28/2010 4:27 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Carey,
>
> I think you took Bruce's message a bit wrong, as yes, the dealer
> should make money to cover their expenses.
>
> But overall, the TCA is more about other things beside making profit.
>
> We have education, preservation of toy trains, making friends, going
> to shows, getting publications, as you the Quarterly magazine and the
> TCA Newsletter that has items for sale by TCA members. I got a
> wonderful LN CN Reefer with the box by reading this newsletter for
> 300, what a deal.
>
> I am sorry that you do not see the other things in this organization
> it has to offer. Do you belong to other organizations train or non train?
>
> I do and the fees are never a problem to me, as think most of can
> afford a one time 25 application fee. I get back more overall than the
> money it cost for annual fees, as again, I give more to all the groups
> I am in.
>
> Is it always about the money?
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60333 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
guest. Is that no longer the case? I live on the West Coast and
attending York is something I will probably do only once or twice in a
lifetime. I plan to attend for the first time this October, and the
money to join isn't an issue. The Train Collectors Quarterly is
probably worth that anyway. I purchased a few copies at a Cal Stewart
meet on the public days. (Am I allowed to read them as a non-member :-)
) The only thing that concerns me about the makes TCA is the two
references thing. That seems to me to create an obstacle to membership
and gives the organization an aura of country club exclusivity. I don't
have many friends interested in trains to begin with and as to those
that are interested in trains they don't seem to be members. I feel a
bit uncomfortable asking people I really don't know other than through
an email list to sponsor me, but if someone wants to sponsor me without
knowing me other than through posts on this list, please let me know and
I will join.

Also a note to Mike Marmer. Was the TCA member who wasn't honest with
you kicked out of the TCA? or at least sent a letter of concern by the
organization?

Dale Smith

WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/27/2010 7:16:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> pab1147@... <mailto:pab1147%40msn.com> writes:
>
> If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA
> members
> on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat
> higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general
>
> The show is now open exclusively to members all three days. Few members
> attend on Saturday, NEVER has there been a wish to open the Member
> Halls to
> the public, ONLY the Dealer Halls, Orange, Purple & Brown, PLUS the
> display
> hall, Black. Anyone wishing to see those halls would pay an amount most
> likely close to what members pay for all three days. If you go to any
> "public"
> show, the admission is not free, Greenberg is now $7. per adult, was in
> January when they had HALF of the "Orange" hall, with prox 300 tables.
>
> AS for strollers, that means YOUNG families, potential NEW interest,
> CHILDREN, something this hobby sorely needs to survive at all. I THANK
> parents/Grandparents for bringing their kids along. We deal with
> strollers, walkers,
> scooters, motor-chairs all the time, in every day life. I would point
> out to those most opposed, it doesn't take much to find yourself in a
> motor
> chair. Been there, it was that or stay home, hungry.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60334 From: kellstar120 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Pete's Train Layout
Hi Everyone,

I just uploaded pictures of my multi layer train layout. It has S, HO and a N layer. Some of the Plasticville buildings and AF Trains were mine from when I was a kid, The N scale layout on top I build 30 years ago and was my train layout up till my son moved out and I got my train room. Than I was able to build my dream layout.

Pete Kellermann
Group: S-Trains Message: 60335 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Dear Dale,
We had several guest for this York for their once only guest
visit. The rule had not changed as of last week...
Don
PS If you want to go, let us know and we will get you in. If anyone
needs a sponsor to join the TCA, we sign applications. We used to
keep a file of blank TCA invitations and sign them when requested...


On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Dale Smith wrote:

> Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
> guest.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60336 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
You can attend York once as a guest with someone.

Again, I have TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one.

Just let me know.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



Dear Dale,
We had several guest for this York for their once only guest
visit. The rule had not changed as of last week...
Don
PS If you want to go, let us know and we will get you in. If anyone
needs a sponsor to join the TCA, we sign applications. We used to
keep a file of blank TCA invitations and sign them when requested...

On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Dale Smith wrote:

> Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
> guest.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60337 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Dale,

Again, I have applications with signatures on them.

Just give me a address and I will send you one.

I did file a complaint on the person who sold me that engine.

Sadly, nothing was done, not even a warning, since he gave me my money back. I do not hold this against the TCA since it was one person decision who headed the complaints at that time. He is no longer involved with this process.

I would not let this incident stop anyone in joining the TCA.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
guest. Is that no longer the case? I live on the West Coast and
attending York is something I will probably do only once or twice in a
lifetime. I plan to attend for the first time this October, and the
money to join isn't an issue. The Train Collectors Quarterly is
probably worth that anyway. I purchased a few copies at a Cal Stewart
meet on the public days. (Am I allowed to read them as a non-member :-)
) The only thing that concerns me about the makes TCA is the two
references thing. That seems to me to create an obstacle to membership
and gives the organization an aura of country club exclusivity. I don't
have many friends interested in trains to begin with and as to those
that are interested in trains they don't seem to be members. I feel a
bit uncomfortable asking people I really don't know other than through
an email list to sponsor me, but if someone wants to sponsor me without
knowing me other than through posts on this list, please let me know and
I will join.

Also a note to Mike Marmer. Was the TCA member who wasn't honest with
you kicked out of the TCA? or at least sent a letter of concern by the
organization?

Dale Smith

WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/27/2010 7:16:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> pab1147@... <mailto:pab1147%40msn.com> writes:
>
> If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA
> members
> on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat
> higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general
>
> The show is now open exclusively to members all three days. Few members
> attend on Saturday, NEVER has there been a wish to open the Member
> Halls to
> the public, ONLY the Dealer Halls, Orange, Purple & Brown, PLUS the
> display
> hall, Black. Anyone wishing to see those halls would pay an amount most
> likely close to what members pay for all three days. If you go to any
> "public"
> show, the admission is not free, Greenberg is now $7. per adult, was in
> January when they had HALF of the "Orange" hall, with prox 300 tables.
>
> AS for strollers, that means YOUNG families, potential NEW interest,
> CHILDREN, something this hobby sorely needs to survive at all. I THANK
> parents/Grandparents for bringing their kids along. We deal with
> strollers, walkers,
> scooters, motor-chairs all the time, in every day life. I would point
> out to those most opposed, it doesn't take much to find yourself in a
> motor
> chair. Been there, it was that or stay home, hungry.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
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>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60338 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Thanks Mike and Don for your offers. fI think the presigned application
from Mike makes the most sense logistically, but doesn't this presigning
with distribution at will sort of defeat the recommendation process?
Even so, I am willing to use it for expediency. I will send you my
address offline so our friend who sends us messages offline after we
post won't get it.

By the way, I only needed _one_ recommendaton when I applied for
admission to practice before the Supreme Court of the United States.
(I know, I know, some will say it is harder for a lawyer to get one
recommendaton than for most people to get two)

Dale Smith

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
> You can attend York once as a guest with someone.
>
> Again, I have TCA applications signed with two signatures that are
> ready to send out to anyone who would like one.
>
> Just let me know.
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
>
> Dear Dale,
> We had several guest for this York for their once only guest
> visit. The rule had not changed as of last week...
> Don
> PS If you want to go, let us know and we will get you in. If anyone
> needs a sponsor to join the TCA, we sign applications. We used to
> keep a file of blank TCA invitations and sign them when requested...
>
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Dale Smith wrote:
>
> > Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
> > guest.
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60339 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: Pete's Train Layout
Hi Pete,

That shows a lot of work and a lot of layout. I like the use of the
radio-controlled helicopter and the Constellation at the airport.

Thanks for sharing,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of kellstar120
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Pete's Train Layout

Hi Everyone,

I just uploaded pictures of my multi layer train layout. It has S,
HO and a N layer. Some of the Plasticville buildings and AF Trains were
mine from when I was a kid, The N scale layout on top I build 30 years
ago and was my train layout up till my son moved out and I got my train
room. Than I was able to build my dream layout.

Pete Kellermann
Group: S-Trains Message: 60340 From: The Laniers Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA Applications
Passing around signed blank TCA applications to people you hardly or don't even know creates the very problem you complain about Mike, i.e. a dishonest seller flying under the cover of a TCA membership that is used by many to ensure they are dealing with an honorable person. But somewhere along the line, some member signed an application he shouldn't have, and it has been Katy bar the door ever since. (When I first joined in the 70's you didn't have to watch your table at a TCA meet like a hawk) If you don't know an applicant well, then get to know him well, or don't sign his application. You are not the right person to recommend his membership. This fits right in with the membership drives that bring in model railroad enthusiasts who are not really collectors. Not everyone who likes toy or model trains should be a member of an organization entitled Train Collectors Association. If the leadership corps of the organization cannot transition the TCA to an organization more representative of the model and toy train enthusiasts body then perhaps TCA should cease to exist. I know there are those of you out there who think this is nuts, but that's OK. I'm entitled to my opinion.

paflyrman




From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



You can attend York once as a guest with someone.

Again, I have TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one.

Just let me know.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations

Dear Dale,
We had several guest for this York for their once only guest
visit. The rule had not changed as of last week...
Don
PS If you want to go, let us know and we will get you in. If anyone
needs a sponsor to join the TCA, we sign applications. We used to
keep a file of blank TCA invitations and sign them when requested...

On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Dale Smith wrote:

> Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
> guest.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60341 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: TCA Applications
Good point, as not many have taken up my offer, the few that have are okay so far.

I may have to rethink this one out.

However, if someone is on the list and writes often about things, that person has a higher chance of being someone we might like to have in the TCA.

My mis-hap with this one person, was signed up a by a "friend: most likely, so it goes both ways at times.

I am not the only one who has said he would sign a application as I believe the people involved with the running of the TCA have said that someone should write to them if they do not know two people in the TCA and I believe at York, they will sign you up sight unseen before.

So, I think I not doing anything wrong in a way, as this the chance we take in life, membership is falling and if the person does something wrong to someone he will be dealt with, provided a complaint is sent in.

Hopefully, most people are good overall.

mike
----- Original Message -----
From: The Laniers
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA Applications



Passing around signed blank TCA applications to people you hardly or don't even know creates the very problem you complain about Mike, i.e. a dishonest seller flying under the cover of a TCA membership that is used by many to ensure they are dealing with an honorable person. But somewhere along the line, some member signed an application he shouldn't have, and it has been Katy bar the door ever since. (When I first joined in the 70's you didn't have to watch your table at a TCA meet like a hawk) If you don't know an applicant well, then get to know him well, or don't sign his application. You are not the right person to recommend his membership. This fits right in with the membership drives that bring in model railroad enthusiasts who are not really collectors. Not everyone who likes toy or model trains should be a member of an organization entitled Train Collectors Association. If the leadership corps of the organization cannot transition the TCA to an organization more representative of the model and toy train enthusiasts body then perhaps TCA should cease to exist. I know there are those of you out there who think this is nuts, but that's OK. I'm entitled to my opinion.

paflyrman

From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations

You can attend York once as a guest with someone.

Again, I have TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one.

Just let me know.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations

Dear Dale,
We had several guest for this York for their once only guest
visit. The rule had not changed as of last week...
Don
PS If you want to go, let us know and we will get you in. If anyone
needs a sponsor to join the TCA, we sign applications. We used to
keep a file of blank TCA invitations and sign them when requested...

On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Dale Smith wrote:

> Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
> guest.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60342 From: aztecfan Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: New blood
I keep push for everyone to think of a way to get the millions 1/64 car, truck and fire engine collectors out to our events. Many build there own dioramas.

They just might buy building kits and care related train items.

So we know they exist. If you do not believe me do a search on e-bay.

We can just sit around and die off like the Shriners, Moose, the VFW and the American Legion.

If we don't make them part of us, then one day future S gaugers will need to show up at their events.

Righ now they are not very organized on a National basis, but they will get their act together. The market is just too large. So where do we go to buy S items. Wal Mart and Target. Not Hobby Shops!

We are fighting the economy the dieing off of our membership.

I believe our future is join events with O scalers and diacast collectors.

We are not afraid to lose members to either groups.

On3 is getting bigger and fit in better with us the O Scale. They buy our stuff to convert to 0n3.

We need to work a lot more on Promotion then any thing else. Why? Because we will lose our manufactures if we do not have more volume for them to survive.

We are fading away. If that is what you want then do nothing to
promote S among people who are already into 1/64 scale equipment.

Have you not been to a recent train show? I doubt you missed seeing all those cars, trucks and construction equipment on the tables of big venders.


What do you think?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60343 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Dale,

Send me your address.

Again, I do not think so, in a way, as you seem to me, to be a honest person, as you seem sincere in joining.

TCA is higher than the Supreme Court. LOL

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



Thanks Mike and Don for your offers. fI think the presigned application
from Mike makes the most sense logistically, but doesn't this presigning
with distribution at will sort of defeat the recommendation process?
Even so, I am willing to use it for expediency. I will send you my
address offline so our friend who sends us messages offline after we
post won't get it.

By the way, I only needed _one_ recommendaton when I applied for
admission to practice before the Supreme Court of the United States.
(I know, I know, some will say it is harder for a lawyer to get one
recommendaton than for most people to get two)

Dale Smith

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
> You can attend York once as a guest with someone.
>
> Again, I have TCA applications signed with two signatures that are
> ready to send out to anyone who would like one.
>
> Just let me know.
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
>
> Dear Dale,
> We had several guest for this York for their once only guest
> visit. The rule had not changed as of last week...
> Don
> PS If you want to go, let us know and we will get you in. If anyone
> needs a sponsor to join the TCA, we sign applications. We used to
> keep a file of blank TCA invitations and sign them when requested...
>
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Dale Smith wrote:
>
> > Now you have me confused. I thought you could attend York once as a
> > guest.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60344 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
In a message dated 4/29/2010 3:14:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dfsmith26@... writes:


By the way, I only needed _one_ recommendaton when I applied for
admission to practice before the Supreme Court of the United States.
(I know, I know, some will say it is harder for a lawyer to get one
recommendaton than for most people to get two)

My father started selling American Flyer trains in 1955, almost immediately
he and I were doing simple repairs on his customers new stuff because
"Warrranty Service" didn't happen til February. He could get the parts at the
Service Station, not the service. I NEVER heard of TCA until the museum
opened in the cornfield in Paradise.
The first time I asked to join TCA (1977 or 78) I was told by an employee
of TCA that IF I was not a Dr or Lawyer, they would not give me an
application and waste their time. AS you might imagine my impression of the
organization was not really a high one, for a REALLY long time. I live 8 minutes
from the museum and have volunteered there since I joined in 1995, so I guess
THEY lost out on a LOT of free labor. I actually joined TTOS in
Collyfornya BEFORE TCA, was easier and less expensive.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60345 From: kellstar120 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: Pete's Train Layout
I do fly the helicopter around the train layout thought very few times do I get it back to the airport before it come dowm Hmmmm. Luckly it doesn't do any damage when it lands in town. I think the point on town hall might have been wacked off by the helicopter blad

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> That shows a lot of work and a lot of layout. I like the use of the
> radio-controlled helicopter and the Constellation at the airport.
>
> Thanks for sharing,
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of kellstar120
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:26 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Pete's Train Layout
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just uploaded pictures of my multi layer train layout. It has S,
> HO and a N layer. Some of the Plasticville buildings and AF Trains were
> mine from when I was a kid, The N scale layout on top I build 30 years
> ago and was my train layout up till my son moved out and I got my train
> room. Than I was able to build my dream layout.
>
> Pete Kellermann
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60346 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Spring S Spree
I wish all you folks at the Spree the best this weekend! The Southeast guys have been working hard on it, and I wish Cindy and I could be there. Have a great time!
Cindy is slowly recovering from the Cancer treatments, so we hope to see everyone again next year.
Stumpy Stone...stuck in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60347 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/29/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood
The toy and model car hobby is huge and disorganized! There are dozens of "scales" from smaller than N scale up to 1/6th scale for die cast car collectors. Model car kits are availible in plastic or semi-assembled and prepainted metal, slot cars are growing in popularity and as nice looking as die cast, and R/C has evolved smaller scale and less expensive cars which can be collected or raced indoors.
Until comparativly recent years 1/64 was considered only as toys, with collectors into Matchbox and Hot Wheels with their hot rods, custom cars, racers, and bizarre designs. Interest in 1/64 scale these days is leaning more toward realistic looking tractor trailers, heavy equipment, and recently "normal" automobiles. Some manufacturers even make small dioramas as part of their original packaging.
However, you must understand that the toy and model car hobby is vastly different in structure and focus than model railroading, with virtually no interest in layouts as we know them. Dioramas tend to be very small, even the biggest dioramas usually represnt a car dealership, repair shop, drive-in theater or drive-in restaurant.
While many model railroaders use cars on their train layouts, in all the years I have been in both hobbies, I don't think I have ever had a positive response from car guys as to combining trains and cars. The exception might be racing Aurora and Tyco HO slot cars across HO railroad crossings many years ago.
The idea of trying to get car guys interested in trains, or having joint meets might be worth a try. But I doubt there will be much interest from the car folks.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60348 From: charlie and edith Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Bill Porter
Greetings to all! Bill, at dinner in Saugatuck last evening, with some of the folks returning from Florida, I was told about a train layout in the shape of Florida. If I remember correctly, it was located at Shell Point in the Ft. Meyers area? These folks were very impressed .... have you seen or heard anything about this? Best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60349 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood
What a timely and interesting thread.
Just by coincidence I had a phone call today from a fellow in Washington
that was only 32 years old. He has been collecting 1/64 scale vehicles since
he was 17 and wanted information on starting a S-Gauge layout.
He wanted something to go along with all the vehicles. He has a son and
daughter and wanted to get them interested. He had been referred to me by Don
Thompson of S-Helper as I was the closest S-dealer to him. We went over
everything to do with trains from track to power supplies to operating
systems. I think we have a new recruit to the group and he is not an old fart like
most of us..
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise










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Group: S-Trains Message: 60350 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: shell Point
http://www.shellpoint.net/resortservices/trainroom/train-room-history.htm

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-208724674.html
I found this by using Google, Charlie, as I hope this helps you.

Google is always a great tool or any search engine for things on the web.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: charlie and edith
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Porter



Greetings to all! Bill, at dinner in Saugatuck last evening, with some of the folks returning from Florida, I was told about a train layout in the shape of Florida. If I remember correctly, it was located at Shell Point in the Ft. Meyers area? These folks were very impressed .... have you seen or heard anything about this? Best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60351 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood
Steve,

You are not a old fart! LOL

Beside, if you do leave one day for another place, LOL, who would fix all my DCC stuff?

And I still have a new DCC car for you soon.

Just kidding, but I do have a DCC car to get to you soon.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:30 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Blood



What a timely and interesting thread.
Just by coincidence I had a phone call today from a fellow in Washington
that was only 32 years old. He has been collecting 1/64 scale vehicles since
he was 17 and wanted information on starting a S-Gauge layout.
He wanted something to go along with all the vehicles. He has a son and
daughter and wanted to get them interested. He had been referred to me by Don
Thompson of S-Helper as I was the closest S-dealer to him. We went over
everything to do with trains from track to power supplies to operating
systems. I think we have a new recruit to the group and he is not an old fart like
most of us..
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60352 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: Florida-Shaped Layout
Hello Cousin Charlie,

I did visit a layout over that way quite a few years back. As I recall,
it was a project of a committee of the residents, very large and
impressive. There was public access and a donation box. I took the wife
and kids (they were much younger then) as a side trip when we were
touring the State. As I recall, the layout was HO scale. It was a beauty
with well-done scenery and towns.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of charlie and edith
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:48 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Porter

Greetings to all!
Bill, at dinner in Saugatuck last evening, with some of the folks
returning from Florida, I was told about a train layout in the shape of
Florida. If I remember correctly, it was located at Shell Point in the
Ft. Meyers area? These folks were very impressed .... have you seen or
heard anything about this?
Best wishes, Charlie in W MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 60353 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
JIM.... If memery serves me right back in the 70's up to aboiut 1981 they wanted a credit check too!!! Bob  Conner

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 7:42 PM


 




In a message dated 4/29/2010 3:14:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dfsmith26@att. net writes:

By the way, I only needed _one_ recommendaton when I applied for
admission to practice before the Supreme Court of the United States.
(I know, I know, some will say it is harder for a lawyer to get one
recommendaton than for most people to get two)

My father started selling American Flyer trains in 1955, almost immediately
he and I were doing simple repairs on his customers new stuff because
"Warrranty Service" didn't happen til February. He could get the parts at the
Service Station, not the service. I NEVER heard of TCA until the museum
opened in the cornfield in Paradise.
The first time I asked to join TCA (1977 or 78) I was told by an employee
of TCA that IF I was not a Dr or Lawyer, they would not give me an
application and waste their time. AS you might imagine my impression of the
organization was not really a high one, for a REALLY long time. I live 8 minutes
from the museum and have volunteered there since I joined in 1995, so I guess
THEY lost out on a LOT of free labor. I actually joined TTOS in
Collyfornya BEFORE TCA, was easier and less expensive.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60354 From: pab11147 Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
> WJJIM@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/27/2010 7:16:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > pab1147@... <mailto:pab1147%40msn.com> writes:
> >
> > If exclusivity is so important to some, it could be offered to TCA
> > members
> > on the first day of the show only. Non-members could also pay a somewhat
> > higher admission fee benefiting TCA membership in general
> >
> > The show is now open exclusively to members all three days. Few members
> > attend on Saturday, NEVER has there been a wish to open the Member
> > Halls to
> > the public, ONLY the Dealer Halls, Orange, Purple & Brown, PLUS the
> > display
> > hall, Black. Anyone wishing to see those halls would pay an amount most
> > likely close to what members pay for all three days. If you go to any
> > "public"
> > show, the admission is not free, Greenberg is now $7. per adult, was in
> > January when they had HALF of the "Orange" hall, with prox 300 tables.
> >
> > AS for strollers, that means YOUNG families, potential NEW interest,
> > CHILDREN, something this hobby sorely needs to survive at all. I THANK
> > parents/Grandparents for bringing their kids along. We deal with
> > strollers, walkers,
> > scooters, motor-chairs all the time, in every day life. I would point
> > out to those most opposed, it doesn't take much to find yourself in a
> > motor
> > chair. Been there, it was that or stay home, hungry.
> >
> > Jim Lyle
> >
> > The comment on attracting young people is valid and important to the hobby. I brought my five year old grandson to the meet and was denied entry because he was in a stroller.He is a special needs child and cannot hold up to walking the halls and fairgrounds.I think this is an unfortunate obstacle to young children learning about/enjoying model trains especially if they have a handicap in life.

Paul Breault
Group: S-Trains Message: 60355 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: New Photos
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/202816335/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=521&count=20&dir=asc

First of three photos of the billboard I made from the kit for the Lehigh Valley Models Corrugated Cardboard Box Company.

Ghost Writer strikes again, who is a very dignified person in life.
*************************************************
Dingburg, MD (Reuters) -

A Sicilian family-owned business that processes crushed tomatoes may be merely a front for the Corrupt Box Company, said Rodolfo Gambini on condition of anonymity.

Whoops!


UNDERWORLD FIGURE SLAIN

Dingburg, MD (AP) -

Rodolfo Gambini, former kingpin of the Sun of Italy canned-tomato family, was found hacked to death outside the Corrugated Box Company warehouse on Railroad Avenue. He had been stabbed repeatedly with a 29-foot carving knife.

Dingburg's former mayor, security chief, and labor boss was unavailable for comment and has reportedly entered a witness-protection program in Lancaster County PA. His name is being withheld but his enemies say it resembles that of a certain Venezuelan dictator.

G. W.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60356 From: sgaugian Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
"TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one." I don't support this as a general practice whether for TCA or any other signature-required process or policy. I like TCA and want it to grow, but phoney applications where the applicant has no clue who their "sponsors" are and vice versa isn't how. Change the policy or procedure maybe, but falsified docs are never a good answer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60357 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: How I Became a TCA Member
Hi All,

I attended a TCA meet in Atlanta and asked who could explain membership to me. Within 5 minutes I had an application form with two signatures and that was it. These guys didn't know me from Adam but were glad to get a new TCA member.

So don't trash Mike or anyone else for offering signed application forms to group members. Anyone who posts here several times is much better known to this group than I was known to the guys that sponsored me!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60358 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Gondola with Hole in Side
Bruce.

I agree, as Shipping was 11 or 12 dollars, but he did have other things included that where probably junk but they where big metal bridges parts I think so that could of brought up the postage a bit.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:24 PM
Subject: [toytrains] Gondola with Hole in Side



< That car did sell tonight with the added items for 2.99. I am sorry that a bidding war did not start on such a rare item, as it might be rare, but not of high monetary value. LOL Mike Marmer >

I'd give him a 2 dollar bill for the car, but he'd have to ship it to me for free. ;>)

He'd probably do better if he removed the trucks from the car and offered just the trucks (if they are in good shape).

Bruce




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60359 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Fw: Membership
This is from Clem Clement the President of the TCA.

Also I know many do not like Clem or other leaders in the TCA, but you know, you work their butts off for no pay, but for love of the hobby.

Many of these people are in their 60's and 70's as that is allot of work for them to be doing at this age.

I actually gotten to know many of the leaders of the TCA and one is Katie Elgar, former President of the Desert Division, who ran for VP of the TCA and lost, but she will be back again, I know Clem pretty well and Gordon Wilson past TCA president very well. Even John L who runs the Museum.

These people are pretty approachable and are just like you and me.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: clem clement
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Membership


yep. They got to you so they have some interest. Soon as they began to talk you can get an idea if they really care or are really interested or speak only of $$signs.
Clem


From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:25 PM
To: clem clement
Subject: Re: Membership


Thank you as usually these people are on either the S or TCA list, so I sort of got to know them that way.

I see no harm in this.

I think if someone is going to take the time to write or email someone about joining and then do the paperwork, they probably are a good person.

If they are really that bad, they can go on ebay and scam people while changing ID's and other things to continue on Ebay.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clem clement
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Membership


good on ya. You are a good of a judge of character as anyone. Clem


From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:08 PM
To: clem clement
Subject: Re: Membership


Thanks Clem, as I got blasted on the S List telling them I have signed applications by two TCA members if any one wants to join.

Someone as a TCA member did not like that since I did not know the person.

So far with the 10 that I have signed up this way, no one has caused any trouble.

A risk I take, but if that person is dishonest in time he or she will be dealt with by the membership committee.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clem clement
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Cc: Debbie Geiser
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Membership


As far as I know that continues to be correct.
I'm forwarding my answer to Deb as well.
Clem


From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:22 PM
To: clem clement
Subject: Membership


Clem,

I think I read some where that if anyone comes to the York Meet and wants to join, the registration desk will take care of the application for that person should they not know anyone in the TCA?

Do you know if this is the case.

If not , could you forward this to someone in the Eastern Division.

Thank you,

Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60360 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Fw: Membership
I just emailed the President of the TCA, as I said, you have a issue or question email the TCA, as the President is the highest you can go.

Someone did not like my sending out applications to people I do not know, as I stated that two members signed my application without knowing me at all.

Anyone who goes to York by himself or herself can be signed in a new Probationary member right on the spot without anyone knowing them. This has been the policy as long as I can remember as Clem confirms.

So, this is no worse that what I do.

I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.

How many members have any of you signed up?

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clem clement
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Cc: Debbie Geiser
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Membership


As far as I know that continues to be correct.
I'm forwarding my answer to Deb as well.
Clem


From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:22 PM
To: clem clement
Subject: Membership


Clem,

I think I read some where that if anyone comes to the York Meet and wants to join, the registration desk will take care of the application for that person should they not know anyone in the TCA?

Do you know if this is the case.

If not , could you forward this to someone in the Eastern Division.

Thank you,

Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60361 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
JIM.... If memery serves me right back in the 70's up to aboiut 1981 they
wanted a credit check too!!! Bob Conner



I have been told that the application at one time was FOUR pages and a
Credit Application was part of it. I was given NO reason other than the
employee ASSUMED I could not afford membership. . I would think that ANYone that
happened to today, would SUE tomorrow.

The beat goes on---

Jim


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60362 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
Again, in stead of spreading possible rumors as if the TCA needed this, I contacted the President of the TCA about Jim's email of credit check.

His answer below.

Again, it is very easy to email anyone at the TCA, as I have done this in the past with many including John L. the general mgr. of the museum.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clem clement
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations


not true!!
Clem


From: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:24 PM
To: clem clement
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations


Clem,

Do you know if this is true or not, as I am trying to stop this rumor is not so.

Thanks,

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



JIM.... If memery serves me right back in the 70's up to aboiut 1981 they wanted a credit check too!!! Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:

From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60363 From: aztecfan Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: follow up on new blood
If we do joint events, we don't have to have car guys buy even one thing if by working together we get a price brake on facilities. If we get another group helping to bring in foot traffic that might help. If they bring in stuff we buy then that is good as well.

When we do a joint event with HO or O they may not buy any thing either. So from our Clubs that do joint events. What is the benefit for us in doing them?

Show me were it hurts us to work with other Clubs?

Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 60364 From: aztecfan Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: New Blood up date, Looks like they are promoting our venders!!!!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/64VintageVehicles/links

It would not hurt or cost any thing to promote them.

Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 60365 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Hi,

Please be absolutely sure of things like this before you sent them in.

I think the TCA is getting a bum rap now by this.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



JIM.... If memery serves me right back in the 70's up to aboiut 1981 they wanted a credit check too!!! Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:

From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 7:42 PM



In a message dated 4/29/2010 3:14:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dfsmith26@att. net writes:

By the way, I only needed _one_ recommendaton when I applied for
admission to practice before the Supreme Court of the United States.
(I know, I know, some will say it is harder for a lawyer to get one
recommendaton than for most people to get two)

My father started selling American Flyer trains in 1955, almost immediately
he and I were doing simple repairs on his customers new stuff because
"Warrranty Service" didn't happen til February. He could get the parts at the
Service Station, not the service. I NEVER heard of TCA until the museum
opened in the cornfield in Paradise.
The first time I asked to join TCA (1977 or 78) I was told by an employee
of TCA that IF I was not a Dr or Lawyer, they would not give me an
application and waste their time. AS you might imagine my impression of the
organization was not really a high one, for a REALLY long time. I live 8 minutes
from the museum and have volunteered there since I joined in 1995, so I guess
THEY lost out on a LOT of free labor. I actually joined TTOS in
Collyfornya BEFORE TCA, was easier and less expensive.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60366 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I think I have sent out about 5 appls in 10 years.

I will tell you that I had two people sign my TCA applications as they never knew me before I met one in a hobby shop.

He was Ralph Loveless, as I never saw him in my life before that day and then he sent it to Bob Tufts who never met me either.

So, if this was the cause of not signing a application because one never knew me, I would of never of been a member since 1992 as I knew no one in the TCA so I would of never gotten in.

Life is about taking risk and I have no problem in doing what I do. If the person is a bad apple, he will be throw out.

I think I have done more to promote the TCA then most of people on this list.

If you feel this is wrong, don't do it and let me be with it.

The ones who have asked me on these list are usually people I see allot on the list writing in.

I do see a flood of phony applications request coming into to me, as I think that is taking this a bit far.

I do not understand how you think falsified Application are going to come in.

What is going to be falsified, there reason for joining, to screw us all? Maybe, but I do not see. Address, name, when you need to send in a check? Interest in trains? Operating layout?

I think this is getting blow up a bit.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: sgaugian
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



"TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one." I don't support this as a general practice whether for TCA or any other signature-required process or policy. I like TCA and want it to grow, but phoney applications where the applicant has no clue who their "sponsors" are and vice versa isn't how. Change the policy or procedure maybe, but falsified docs are never a good answer.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60367 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I meant to write I do "not" see phony applications request coming into to me.

Again, I am doing a zillion things at once.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



I think I have sent out about 5 appls in 10 years.

I will tell you that I had two people sign my TCA applications as they never knew me before I met one in a hobby shop.

He was Ralph Loveless, as I never saw him in my life before that day and then he sent it to Bob Tufts who never met me either.

So, if this was the cause of not signing a application because one never knew me, I would of never of been a member since 1992 as I knew no one in the TCA so I would of never gotten in.

Life is about taking risk and I have no problem in doing what I do. If the person is a bad apple, he will be throw out.

I think I have done more to promote the TCA then most of people on this list.

If you feel this is wrong, don't do it and let me be with it.

The ones who have asked me on these list are usually people I see allot on the list writing in.

I do see a flood of phony applications request coming into to me, as I think that is taking this a bit far.

I do not understand how you think falsified Application are going to come in.

What is going to be falsified, there reason for joining, to screw us all? Maybe, but I do not see. Address, name, when you need to send in a check? Interest in trains? Operating layout?

I think this is getting blow up a bit.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: sgaugian
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations

"TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one." I don't support this as a general practice whether for TCA or any other signature-required process or policy. I like TCA and want it to grow, but phoney applications where the applicant has no clue who their "sponsors" are and vice versa isn't how. Change the policy or procedure maybe, but falsified docs are never a good answer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60368 From: charlie and edith Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Shell Point
Greetings! Good to know that folks have kept the railroad going over the years. Something to put on the "to see list" if we head South. Cousin Bill, the welcome mat is out if you venture North to escape the Florida Summer. Mike, thanks for the link .... very interesting reading. Wish we had a group like this in our "corner " of Michigan. Best Wishes to all. Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60369 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
In a message dated 4/30/2010 7:43:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Again, in stead of spreading possible rumors as if the TCA needed this, I
contacted the President of the TCA about Jim's email of credit check.

His answer below.

Again, it is very easy to email anyone at the TCA, as I have done this in
the past with many including John L. the general mgr. of the museum.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clem clement
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations


not true!!
Clem

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY MEMBERS WHO BELONGED DURING THAT ERA. I WAS
NEVER OFFERED ONE, SO, I HAVE NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE. HAD YOU UNDERSTOOD THE
MESSAGE, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON TO PURSUE IT FURTHER.
BTW, JOHN LUPPINO IS THE OPERATIONS MANAGER OF THE ORGANIZATION.
JIM LYLE


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60370 From: sgaugeandy Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Hey , I was reading your conversation and I've done the same thing . I was up at the Train show in Allentown PA. and Joyce had a TCA booth set up to promote the TCA and sign up members . I met Joyce on one of the TCA cruises they promote and found she's a very nice person . She was by herself and had to have signatures on the forms to sign up people . I signed forms for people I met for the first time . It's hard to judge what a persons like in a matter of seconds . The guy (or girl) could be a serial killer for all I know ! But if this is the way they want there forms filled out , so be it . I personally like the TCA and feel comfortable with just about anybody I meet at York . I have a table in the Blue hall and meet and talk to many a person .
P.S. This is not the only TCA Appl. form I've signed , many in past years for various people I didn't really know .

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I think I have sent out about 5 appls in 10 years.
>
> I will tell you that I had two people sign my TCA applications as they never knew me before I met one in a hobby shop.
>
> He was Ralph Loveless, as I never saw him in my life before that day and then he sent it to Bob Tufts who never met me either.
>
> So, if this was the cause of not signing a application because one never knew me, I would of never of been a member since 1992 as I knew no one in the TCA so I would of never gotten in.
>
> Life is about taking risk and I have no problem in doing what I do. If the person is a bad apple, he will be throw out.
>
> I think I have done more to promote the TCA then most of people on this list.
>
> If you feel this is wrong, don't do it and let me be with it.
>
> The ones who have asked me on these list are usually people I see allot on the list writing in.
>
> I do see a flood of phony applications request coming into to me, as I think that is taking this a bit far.
>
> I do not understand how you think falsified Application are going to come in.
>
> What is going to be falsified, there reason for joining, to screw us all? Maybe, but I do not see. Address, name, when you need to send in a check? Interest in trains? Operating layout?
>
> I think this is getting blow up a bit.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sgaugian
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:08 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
>
>
>
> "TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one." I don't support this as a general practice whether for TCA or any other signature-required process or policy. I like TCA and want it to grow, but phoney applications where the applicant has no clue who their "sponsors" are and vice versa isn't how. Change the policy or procedure maybe, but falsified docs are never a good answer.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60371 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
While I think there may be better ways of maintaining the integrity of
an organization like TCA without the recommendation process, I also know
that organizational rules have a certain inertia about them and changing
them is pretty difficult. I think Mike's offer is a way to make
membership possible for those who, like me, are not "well connected" in
the hobby. I also think that he and others on this list know at least
a little about me from my occasional posts. Also, when I wrote Mike
privately to give him my address, I told him a little about my interests
in the hobby, including the Gilbert HO website I run, and invited him to
share that with the other signer. Since that is the rule, I wanted the
persons signing to do so comfortably.

Dale

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
> I just emailed the President of the TCA, as I said, you have a issue
> or question email the TCA, as the President is the highest you can go.
>
> Someone did not like my sending out applications to people I do not
> know, as I stated that two members signed my application without
> knowing me at all.
>
> Anyone who goes to York by himself or herself can be signed in a new
> Probationary member right on the spot without anyone knowing them.
> This has been the policy as long as I can remember as Clem confirms.
>
> So, this is no worse that what I do.
>
> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.
>
> How many members have any of you signed up?
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clem clement
> To: michael and Linda Marmer
> Cc: Debbie Geiser
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Membership
>
> As far as I know that continues to be correct.
> I'm forwarding my answer to Deb as well.
> Clem
>
> From: michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:22 PM
> To: clem clement
> Subject: Membership
>
> Clem,
>
> I think I read some where that if anyone comes to the York Meet and
> wants to join, the registration desk will take care of the application
> for that person should they not know anyone in the TCA?
>
> Do you know if this is the case.
>
> If not , could you forward this to someone in the Eastern Division.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mike
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60372 From: David Dewey Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Dale,
So what were you practicing, Bagpipes or Kazoo???
Heh heh heh!!
Hey, someone had to ask!!
A wise guy,
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60373 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
Jim,

I believe it was Bob Connor who posted the message about the credit checks not you.

Clem became a member of the TCA in 1964, so I think he is of that era and would know something about it.

As for John, okay Operations Manager, as you knew I was close enough for you to know that I meant he is basically in charge of the running the place.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations




In a message dated 4/30/2010 7:43:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Again, in stead of spreading possible rumors as if the TCA needed this, I
contacted the President of the TCA about Jim's email of credit check.

His answer below.

Again, it is very easy to email anyone at the TCA, as I have done this in
the past with many including John L. the general mgr. of the museum.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: clem clement
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations

not true!!
Clem

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY MEMBERS WHO BELONGED DURING THAT ERA. I WAS
NEVER OFFERED ONE, SO, I HAVE NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE. HAD YOU UNDERSTOOD THE
MESSAGE, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON TO PURSUE IT FURTHER.
BTW, JOHN LUPPINO IS THE OPERATIONS MANAGER OF THE ORGANIZATION.
JIM LYLE

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60374 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
I already wrote to Dale telling him that the credit application from 1970 will be included. Just kidding.

Dale sent me a very nice email and I wrote back to him with my interest, explaining who Bob Tufts was, etc.

I will have his application in the mail on Monday.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership



While I think there may be better ways of maintaining the integrity of
an organization like TCA without the recommendation process, I also know
that organizational rules have a certain inertia about them and changing
them is pretty difficult. I think Mike's offer is a way to make
membership possible for those who, like me, are not "well connected" in
the hobby. I also think that he and others on this list know at least
a little about me from my occasional posts. Also, when I wrote Mike
privately to give him my address, I told him a little about my interests
in the hobby, including the Gilbert HO website I run, and invited him to
share that with the other signer. Since that is the rule, I wanted the
persons signing to do so comfortably.

Dale

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
> I just emailed the President of the TCA, as I said, you have a issue
> or question email the TCA, as the President is the highest you can go.
>
> Someone did not like my sending out applications to people I do not
> know, as I stated that two members signed my application without
> knowing me at all.
>
> Anyone who goes to York by himself or herself can be signed in a new
> Probationary member right on the spot without anyone knowing them.
> This has been the policy as long as I can remember as Clem confirms.
>
> So, this is no worse that what I do.
>
> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.
>
> How many members have any of you signed up?
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clem clement
> To: michael and Linda Marmer
> Cc: Debbie Geiser
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Membership
>
> As far as I know that continues to be correct.
> I'm forwarding my answer to Deb as well.
> Clem
>
> From: michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:22 PM
> To: clem clement
> Subject: Membership
>
> Clem,
>
> I think I read some where that if anyone comes to the York Meet and
> wants to join, the registration desk will take care of the application
> for that person should they not know anyone in the TCA?
>
> Do you know if this is the case.
>
> If not , could you forward this to someone in the Eastern Division.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mike
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60375 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
I am glad to see that Joyce was at the train show as she just lost her husband a few months ago as I just met Bill for the first time as he worked at the Strasburg RR train Shoppe. A very nice man and a sad lost to her and all of us.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: sgaugeandy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



Hey , I was reading your conversation and I've done the same thing . I was up at the Train show in Allentown PA. and Joyce had a TCA booth set up to promote the TCA and sign up members . I met Joyce on one of the TCA cruises they promote and found she's a very nice person . She was by herself and had to have signatures on the forms to sign up people . I signed forms for people I met for the first time . It's hard to judge what a persons like in a matter of seconds . The guy (or girl) could be a serial killer for all I know ! But if this is the way they want there forms filled out , so be it . I personally like the TCA and feel comfortable with just about anybody I meet at York . I have a table in the Blue hall and meet and talk to many a person .
P.S. This is not the only TCA Appl. form I've signed , many in past years for various people I didn't really know .

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I think I have sent out about 5 appls in 10 years.
>
> I will tell you that I had two people sign my TCA applications as they never knew me before I met one in a hobby shop.
>
> He was Ralph Loveless, as I never saw him in my life before that day and then he sent it to Bob Tufts who never met me either.
>
> So, if this was the cause of not signing a application because one never knew me, I would of never of been a member since 1992 as I knew no one in the TCA so I would of never gotten in.
>
> Life is about taking risk and I have no problem in doing what I do. If the person is a bad apple, he will be throw out.
>
> I think I have done more to promote the TCA then most of people on this list.
>
> If you feel this is wrong, don't do it and let me be with it.
>
> The ones who have asked me on these list are usually people I see allot on the list writing in.
>
> I do see a flood of phony applications request coming into to me, as I think that is taking this a bit far.
>
> I do not understand how you think falsified Application are going to come in.
>
> What is going to be falsified, there reason for joining, to screw us all? Maybe, but I do not see. Address, name, when you need to send in a check? Interest in trains? Operating layout?
>
> I think this is getting blow up a bit.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sgaugian
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:08 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
>
>
>
> "TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one." I don't support this as a general practice whether for TCA or any other signature-required process or policy. I like TCA and want it to grow, but phoney applications where the applicant has no clue who their "sponsors" are and vice versa isn't how. Change the policy or procedure maybe, but falsified docs are never a good answer.
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60376 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Hi Dale,
� The TCA began in 1954 in someone's barn in Yardley, PA.  From that time to the sixties, it was mostly Tinplate collectors, Lionel, American Flyer, Dorfan, Ives.  I joined the TCA in 1976. I believe I used the same application that is being used today.  I have provided my signature for over 100 applications for potential members.  All new applicants are listed in the TCA exchange.  The purpose of that is for the TCA membership to review the list for a potential problem with a new applicant and to post an objection to obtaining membership.  There never was a credit check for anyone applying for membership.  I think someone got confused with applying for a TCA Visa/Mastercard. This was offered some years back and yes that would require a credit check.  Any TCA member would sign an application, if he or she had a recommendation from another member.  For example, I know a person who wants to join the TCA.  I
speak to another TCA member and ask him to sign the application. I can tell him where the applicant lives and give him or her the applicants phone number if he has questions.   TCA members would just not throw their name on any application.   Considering that Mike Marmers effort to get new TCA members and he offered the applications to you and others in the S-Group and there are many TCA members in the S-Group, I believe no one should have a problem with that.  We need more "S" Gaugers in the TCA.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 4/30/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 9:28 PM







 









While I think there may be better ways of maintaining the integrity of

an organization like TCA without the recommendation process, I also know

that organizational rules have a certain inertia about them and changing

them is pretty difficult. I think Mike's offer is a way to make

membership possible for those who, like me, are not "well connected" in

the hobby. I also think that he and others on this list know at least

a little about me from my occasional posts. Also, when I wrote Mike

privately to give him my address, I told him a little about my interests

in the hobby, including the Gilbert HO website I run, and invited him to

share that with the other signer. Since that is the rule, I wanted the

persons signing to do so comfortably.



Dale



michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>

>

> I just emailed the President of the TCA, as I said, you have a issue

> or question email the TCA, as the President is the highest you can go.

>

> Someone did not like my sending out applications to people I do not

> know, as I stated that two members signed my application without

> knowing me at all.

>

> Anyone who goes to York by himself or herself can be signed in a new

> Probationary member right on the spot without anyone knowing them.

> This has been the policy as long as I can remember as Clem confirms.

>

> So, this is no worse that what I do.

>

> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.

>

> How many members have any of you signed up?

>

> Mike

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: clem clement

> To: michael and Linda Marmer

> Cc: Debbie Geiser

> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Membership

>

> As far as I know that continues to be correct.

> I'm forwarding my answer to Deb as well.

> Clem

>

> From: michael and Linda Marmer

> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:22 PM

> To: clem clement

> Subject: Membership

>

> Clem,

>

> I think I read some where that if anyone comes to the York Meet and

> wants to join, the registration desk will take care of the application

> for that person should they not know anyone in the TCA?

>

> Do you know if this is the case.

>

> If not , could you forward this to someone in the Eastern Division.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Mike

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60377 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Dale,

David Dewey, owner of David's Funnel Cake Stand on my layout, long story on all of that, is the master Piano player in the group.

See, how much we learn about one another on this list, so we know most of us are not bad apples.

Actually I have a real bad apple story about someone on the TCA list who was not a TCA member. You will not believe this, as I will write about it later. After you read this, you really got to know who you are dealing with in trains, whether you are a TCA member or not.

I am holding my breath right now on a deal, where bought a LN 21139 engine for 1550 with shipping and insurance, from a guy on ebay with good reports, but I brought this 21139 without it being on ebay, as he sent lots of nice pictures. I am sure he is legit. LOL Famous last words.

I will write about the situation with the guy from the TCA list, not a member and then another complaint file against a TCA member that did not involve a sale!!!!! Later.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: David Dewey
To: s-trains list
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations



Dale,
So what were you practicing, Bagpipes or Kazoo???
Heh heh heh!!
Hey, someone had to ask!!
A wise guy,
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60378 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Hi Tom,

Thanks for the support and I hope you continue to do the same.

I have a application for Dale as I have his address. I think he will be a fine new S member, as yes, we are few in the TCA, but that is fine.

I believe the TCA still sends out information on credit cards. Sadly most of us have enough Credit Cards, but I do understand why they do this, as they get back a very small amount on each charge for the organization and they do need the money. See the list of things they badly need in the Newsletter. I gave the last time they have a "fund raiser" as I think I was second on the list. I have not given this fund raiser, but I do give then extra in June with membership renewal.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership



Hi Dale,
� The TCA began in 1954 in someone's barn in Yardley, PA. From that time to the sixties, it was mostly Tinplate collectors, Lionel, American Flyer, Dorfan, Ives. I joined the TCA in 1976. I believe I used the same application that is being used today. I have provided my signature for over 100 applications for potential members. All new applicants are listed in the TCA exchange. The purpose of that is for the TCA membership to review the list for a potential problem with a new applicant and to post an objection to obtaining membership. There never was a credit check for anyone applying for membership. I think someone got confused with applying for a TCA Visa/Mastercard. This was offered some years back and yes that would require a credit check. Any TCA member would sign an application, if he or she had a recommendation from another member. For example, I know a person who wants to join the TCA. I
speak to another TCA member and ask him to sign the application. I can tell him where the applicant lives and give him or her the applicants phone number if he has questions. TCA members would just not throw their name on any application. Considering that Mike Marmers effort to get new TCA members and he offered the applications to you and others in the S-Group and there are many TCA members in the S-Group, I believe no one should have a problem with that. We need more "S" Gaugers in the TCA.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 4/30/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 9:28 PM



While I think there may be better ways of maintaining the integrity of

an organization like TCA without the recommendation process, I also know

that organizational rules have a certain inertia about them and changing

them is pretty difficult. I think Mike's offer is a way to make

membership possible for those who, like me, are not "well connected" in

the hobby. I also think that he and others on this list know at least

a little about me from my occasional posts. Also, when I wrote Mike

privately to give him my address, I told him a little about my interests

in the hobby, including the Gilbert HO website I run, and invited him to

share that with the other signer. Since that is the rule, I wanted the

persons signing to do so comfortably.

Dale

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>

>

> I just emailed the President of the TCA, as I said, you have a issue

> or question email the TCA, as the President is the highest you can go.

>

> Someone did not like my sending out applications to people I do not

> know, as I stated that two members signed my application without

> knowing me at all.

>

> Anyone who goes to York by himself or herself can be signed in a new

> Probationary member right on the spot without anyone knowing them.

> This has been the policy as long as I can remember as Clem confirms.

>

> So, this is no worse that what I do.

>

> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.

>

> How many members have any of you signed up?

>

> Mike

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: clem clement

> To: michael and Linda Marmer

> Cc: Debbie Geiser

> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Membership

>

> As far as I know that continues to be correct.

> I'm forwarding my answer to Deb as well.

> Clem

>

> From: michael and Linda Marmer

> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:22 PM

> To: clem clement

> Subject: Membership

>

> Clem,

>

> I think I read some where that if anyone comes to the York Meet and

> wants to join, the registration desk will take care of the application

> for that person should they not know anyone in the TCA?

>

> Do you know if this is the case.

>

> If not , could you forward this to someone in the Eastern Division.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Mike

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60379 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 5/1/2010
Subject: Re: Decal Replacement
Hello Group,

I have a 360 Santa Fe Diesel which has a decent paint finish.. but, the decals need to be replaced.. I am going to order decals and try to replace them.. My
question is how do I get the old decals off the shell without damage to the paint.
And what type of decal setting chemical should I use and should the decals be
oversprayed with a clear fix ?

Thank you for your suggestions..
Mike






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Group: S-Trains Message: 60381 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Decal Replacement
I usually have good luck by simply setting a moist tissue on top of the
old decal, letting it sit there for a few minutes, and then picking away
at the loosened decal with my fingernail.....nothing harder.

Repeat as necessary.

In stubborn cases, use Testor's ELO Decal Remover. We carry that; it's
abot $10 for a can of it.



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60382 From: timstrains2000 Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Hello
Hello;
I have uploaded a couple of short videos of my rather large American Flyer toy train layout to uTube. Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PATimboy

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60383 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: New Blood.....WHAT DO YOU THINK?
I didn't mean to talk down your idea in my previous post Jim, you and I have spoken about this a month or so ago on e-mail. I'm skeptical, but still feel there isn't a thing wrong with giving it a try.
What we in S gauge need is someone with the energy and time to follow through on this plan. Someone to contact these groups and perhaps create a liason between train show organizers in S and the 1/64 car groups. I think that could be YOU.
The S Fests, Spring S Sprees, and other S gauge oriented shows would be a good place to start, perhaps even the yearly NASG Convention. There are some vendors at those shows who already deal in S vehicles, among other things, who might welcome more buyers.
Operating layouts with plenty of S vehicles would help demostrate to the car people the layout concept and using cars and trains together. (Coming up in a future article in S Gaugian I explain how to modify Matchbox/Hot Wheels for layout use.))
What about the rest of the S Trains Group? What do you folks think of the idea? Speak up,everyone! York is over, time to move ahead!
Stumpy in eastern Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60384 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
DALE...Sorry about the credit thing.... It was about 1981 a guy came here to look at my trains... I didn't want too sell... he told me about the TCA then and asked me to join... He told me as he showed me the form that they would do a credit check... Maybe that was Southern Division Policy???? No idea but since I had just go thru a Divorce I declined... Joined in 1983... It just stuck with me all these years... glad they don't....Bob

--- On Fri, 4/30/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:


From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:12 PM


 



Hi Dale,
  The TCA began in 1954 in someone's barn in Yardley, PA.  From that time to the sixties, it was mostly Tinplate collectors, Lionel, American Flyer, Dorfan, Ives.  I joined the TCA in 1976. I believe I used the same application that is being used today.  I have provided my signature for over 100 applications for potential members.  All new applicants are listed in the TCA exchange.  The purpose of that is for the TCA membership to review the list for a potential problem with a new applicant and to post an objection to obtaining membership.  There never was a credit check for anyone applying for membership.  I think someone got confused with applying for a TCA Visa/Mastercard. This was offered some years back and yes that would require a credit check.  Any TCA member would sign an application, if he or she had a recommendation from another member.  For example, I know a person who wants to join the TCA.  I
speak to another TCA member and ask him to sign the application. I can tell him where the applicant lives and give him or her the applicants phone number if he has questions.   TCA members would just not throw their name on any application.   Considering that Mike Marmers effort to get new TCA members and he offered the applications to you and others in the S-Group and there are many TCA members in the S-Group, I believe no one should have a problem with that.  We need more "S" Gaugers in the TCA.
  Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 4/30/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 9:28 PM

 

While I think there may be better ways of maintaining the integrity of

an organization like TCA without the recommendation process, I also know

that organizational rules have a certain inertia about them and changing

them is pretty difficult. I think Mike's offer is a way to make

membership possible for those who, like me, are not "well connected" in

the hobby. I also think that he and others on this list know at least

a little about me from my occasional posts. Also, when I wrote Mike

privately to give him my address, I told him a little about my interests

in the hobby, including the Gilbert HO website I run, and invited him to

share that with the other signer. Since that is the rule, I wanted the

persons signing to do so comfortably.

Dale

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>

>

> I just emailed the President of the TCA, as I said, you have a issue

> or question email the TCA, as the President is the highest you can go.

>

> Someone did not like my sending out applications to people I do not

> know, as I stated that two members signed my application without

> knowing me at all.

>

> Anyone who goes to York by himself or herself can be signed in a new

> Probationary member right on the spot without anyone knowing them.

> This has been the policy as long as I can remember as Clem confirms.

>

> So, this is no worse that what I do.

>

> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.

>

> How many members have any of you signed up?

>

> Mike

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: clem clement

> To: michael and Linda Marmer

> Cc: Debbie Geiser

> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Membership

>

> As far as I know that continues to be correct.

> I'm forwarding my answer to Deb as well.

> Clem

>

> From: michael and Linda Marmer

> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:22 PM

> To: clem clement

> Subject: Membership

>

> Clem,

>

> I think I read some where that if anyone comes to the York Meet and

> wants to join, the registration desk will take care of the application

> for that person should they not know anyone in the TCA?

>

> Do you know if this is the case.

>

> If not , could you forward this to someone in the Eastern Division.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Mike

>

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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60385 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
None, as I would never sign on as a reference for someone I do not know.

It all goes back to my original points.

1. If they will approve an application automatically at York, what is
the point of 2 references.

2. If they aren't doing anything to check out the applicant they what
is the application fee for?

Neither make a difference to me since as a modeler and operator the
Collector part holds no interest.

C

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/30/2010 5:13 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
>
> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.
>
> How many members have any of you signed up?
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> Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60386 From: George Cohn Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: For Something Different
For those train enthusiasts that need an ultra-cheap recordable sound
device: http://tinyurl.com/62rgxv

It's a surplus "SAW III" figure on a small plastic box. Inside is a
microphone, speakers, and a circuit board with a voice recorder chip.
It will hold about 30 seconds of your favorite train sound and the
figure is removable.

Note in the reviews that one person bought 45 of them! At $2 each or ten
at $18.50 they might be useful for a number of things. Several of the
reviews were for model railroad use.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60387 From: sgaugeandy Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Yea, I just read that in the TCA periodical . He was on the cruise also ,... very sad . She's such a nice person and works very hard to promote the TCA . I hope she stays on ,... she has many friends in the TCA and other toy train organizations . Andy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I am glad to see that Joyce was at the train show as she just lost her husband a few months ago as I just met Bill for the first time as he worked at the Strasburg RR train Shoppe. A very nice man and a sad lost to her and all of us.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sgaugeandy
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:28 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
>
>
>
> Hey , I was reading your conversation and I've done the same thing . I was up at the Train show in Allentown PA. and Joyce had a TCA booth set up to promote the TCA and sign up members . I met Joyce on one of the TCA cruises they promote and found she's a very nice person . She was by herself and had to have signatures on the forms to sign up people . I signed forms for people I met for the first time . It's hard to judge what a persons like in a matter of seconds . The guy (or girl) could be a serial killer for all I know ! But if this is the way they want there forms filled out , so be it . I personally like the TCA and feel comfortable with just about anybody I meet at York . I have a table in the Blue hall and meet and talk to many a person .
> P.S. This is not the only TCA Appl. form I've signed , many in past years for various people I didn't really know .
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > I think I have sent out about 5 appls in 10 years.
> >
> > I will tell you that I had two people sign my TCA applications as they never knew me before I met one in a hobby shop.
> >
> > He was Ralph Loveless, as I never saw him in my life before that day and then he sent it to Bob Tufts who never met me either.
> >
> > So, if this was the cause of not signing a application because one never knew me, I would of never of been a member since 1992 as I knew no one in the TCA so I would of never gotten in.
> >
> > Life is about taking risk and I have no problem in doing what I do. If the person is a bad apple, he will be throw out.
> >
> > I think I have done more to promote the TCA then most of people on this list.
> >
> > If you feel this is wrong, don't do it and let me be with it.
> >
> > The ones who have asked me on these list are usually people I see allot on the list writing in.
> >
> > I do see a flood of phony applications request coming into to me, as I think that is taking this a bit far.
> >
> > I do not understand how you think falsified Application are going to come in.
> >
> > What is going to be falsified, there reason for joining, to screw us all? Maybe, but I do not see. Address, name, when you need to send in a check? Interest in trains? Operating layout?
> >
> > I think this is getting blow up a bit.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: sgaugian
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:08 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Observations
> >
> >
> >
> > "TCA applications signed with two signatures that are ready to send out to anyone who would like one." I don't support this as a general practice whether for TCA or any other signature-required process or policy. I like TCA and want it to grow, but phoney applications where the applicant has no clue who their "sponsors" are and vice versa isn't how. Change the policy or procedure maybe, but falsified docs are never a good answer.
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60388 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: A non TCA horror story
I have two horror stories to tell you about as very few know about these. One involves a non TCA member and one does, but not with a train issue.

I will write about the non TCA member.

I am on the TCA TTML list, which is Toy Train Moderated List. This is not to be confused with the TCA Member list, which will be story number two, on another email.

Anyone can be on the TTML list, you do not have to be a TCA member.

There was one person named Spike Lyke, who is supposedly dead now. A few of us has looked on the Social Security death index and he does not appear, as someone things his first name is Harry. Neither name is on that list.

Anyway, Spike was on the list, writing in allot, as he had a Train Shoppe supposedly in his house, in Thomasville, PA on US 30 about 8 miles west of York, as the house looked like something from a Steven King movie on the outside. A good TCA friend was invited to stay at his house as he said it was a B&B for free while on a trip visiting train things along US 30. It was a horror story as Jerry and his friend stayed on the third floor on a mattress on the floor with dirt, cat litter, trash everywhere. They left the next day and never came back.

Well, Spike from being on the list, got the "friendship" of a few people on the list and made some train deals that turned sour for the sender's.

One sent him about 400 dollars in AF product for a trade. He never got the things he wanted in trade. Spike claims the things he sent where lost in the mail and he never spent the person any money or his trains back.

Another train friend "purchased" a rare Lionel set box for 1260.00 cash and never got it. Spike claim it was damaged in the mail and would he like the other one he had? It was never sent out.

Another TCA member sent him some prewar Lionel things for a sale to Spike. Spike never sent him the money.

I learned about all of these as the first person, told me about what happen and I told the guy who happen to lost his money on the box deal, who told me about the guy who was taken by the pre war deal.

So, you see, you do not have to be in the TCA to be a crook. It happens all the time.

And if he was a member not much can be done, only you lose your membership and you lose your money or trains.

Supposedly he died, but I think he is hiding out before I think law enforcement is looking for him.

Who knows how many this person scammed.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60389 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Carey,

So don't sign the application for someone, as for me, I did not know a soul on the TCA at the time someone signed my application as it seems to be the case for many in the TCA.

So, if you have no interest in joining, then why do you go on about membership in a organization you have interest or desire to join?

Life is about taking risk at time.

I am very thankful that two took a risk on signing my application, as I enjoy the TCA for all it has to offer.

By the way, the leaders of the organization, as I know a few, work very hard, long hours, for no pay. I think they should be commended for a job well done overall.

Going off bike riding on the C&O Canal.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Carey Probst
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership



None, as I would never sign on as a reference for someone I do not know.

It all goes back to my original points.

1. If they will approve an application automatically at York, what is
the point of 2 references.

2. If they aren't doing anything to check out the applicant they what
is the application fee for?

Neither make a difference to me since as a modeler and operator the
Collector part holds no interest.

C

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 4/30/2010 5:13 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
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>
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> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.
>
> How many members have any of you signed up?
>
> Mike
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60390 From: Dave Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: "S" Louisville, KY
We would like some input from the group as to a tentative get together for "S" scalers in Louisville, KY. Starting out we expect to be a very small venue, but hope to grow, over the years, to not larger than a medimum sized event. We plan on inviting the scale vehicle people as well. Any thoughts from the group will be greately appreciated OFF GROUP ONLY OF COURSE.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60391 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Meant to write "why do you go on about membership in a organization you have NO interest or desire to join.

And since you are not a member you can't sign someone's application in the TCA anyway.

Why don't you email the TCA if you are still wondering about the application fee, as many of us how join are not making a issue out of this. This seems to be a driving issue of concern to someone who has no desire to join the organization.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership


Carey,

So don't sign the application for someone, as for me, I did not know a soul on the TCA at the time someone signed my application as it seems to be the case for many in the TCA.

So, if you have no interest in joining, then why do you go on about membership in a organization you have interest or desire to join?

Life is about taking risk at time.

I am very thankful that two took a risk on signing my application, as I enjoy the TCA for all it has to offer.

By the way, the leaders of the organization, as I know a few, work very hard, long hours, for no pay. I think they should be commended for a job well done overall.

Going off bike riding on the C&O Canal.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Carey Probst
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership



None, as I would never sign on as a reference for someone I do not know.

It all goes back to my original points.

1. If they will approve an application automatically at York, what is
the point of 2 references.

2. If they aren't doing anything to check out the applicant they what
is the application fee for?

Neither make a difference to me since as a modeler and operator the
Collector part holds no interest.

C

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 4/30/2010 5:13 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
>
> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.
>
> How many members have any of you signed up?
>
> Mike
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60392 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
Thanks Timboy,

The lighting and scenery add a lot to the fun of the trains. That
Erector Set bridge is a hoot.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of timstrains2000
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:16 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Hello

Hello;
I have uploaded a couple of short videos of my rather large American
Flyer toy train layout to uTube. Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PATimboy

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60393 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Membership
Hi Carey,
               I've been reading your comments and those which you are receiving concerning the TCA and York.  The TCA is not a loosely run organization.  You could not go to York and be approved for membership.  York is an Eastern division meet of the TCA.  I'm not sure where you live, but if you did decide to become a TCA member, it would be better if your sponsors came from the area where you live. Once the application is sent to the TCA headquarters your application will be posted in the Nation Headquarters News in a TCA Division which is geographically where your live. New applicant listings are posted 3 times in this publication.   If there are no objections or issues with the new applicants, they become members.  This process is done to keep a person out of the association who may want to enter for reasons other than trains.  While the organization was formed strictly as a collectors organization, it has since grown where
many other model train people have joined.  Many do repaints and restorations and many buy operator grade trains to run on their layouts.  Since you are a operator, this may be advantageous to you as you can convert these type of AF pieces to "S" scale.  As for opening the York show to the public,
this would be impossible to do.  The Eastern Division people who run the show send out registrations about 3 months before.  When the registrations are returned, this tells them how many people are going to attend the meet.  During the week of the Eastern Division meet, prior to Thursday, there are at least 4 other shows in York for the public to attend.   Adding another day, such as Sunday will extend the cost of the meet with no idea on what the attendance would be.  I doubt if you will get any dealers to stay past Saturday and as Don Thompson said, dealers are beat up by Saturday.  I've done these shows over 25 years and I can relate to that.  If it sounds like I'm trying to change your mind about the TCA, I am.  If you can tell me what you would want and if you can find it at a TCA show, I may be able to help.  I would also suggest joining the NASG if you are not currently a member.  I do respect your honest postings about the TCA, but I
believe you should know all the facts.
                                     Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 5/1/10, Carey Probst <carey@...> wrote:

From: Carey Probst <carey@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Membership
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 9:13 AM







 









None, as I would never sign on as a reference for someone I do not know.



It all goes back to my original points.



1. If they will approve an application automatically at York, what is

the point of 2 references.



2. If they aren't doing anything to check out the applicant they what

is the application fee for?



Neither make a difference to me since as a modeler and operator the

Collector part holds no interest.



C



Carey Probst



Member, M.I.T. Educational Council



Perm: hcprobst@alum. mit.edu



A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,



the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



On 4/30/2010 5:13 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

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>

>

> I have signed 5 to 10 members this since 2006.

>

> How many members have any of you signed up?

>

> Mike

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60394 From: David Dewey Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: York Observations
Hi all,

Umm, one Leetle correction in Mike's posting; Yes, i am the Funnel Cake guy, BUT!! I am a Piano Technician--ie: I tune & fix 'em--I leave the playing to others. When it comes to piano playing, I'm the "one finger" wonder--I don't even know chopsticks!!! :) Although, I will admit, I am trying to learn once again. . . .It ain't like a bicycle, apparently (hmm, another tie-in with Mike!).

My train time is becoming limited--I hope temporarily--with the house repairs and now I'm in charge of a project to retrieve, repair and install a Theatre Pipe Organ in our local historical theatre (that I used to manage). This is eating up far more of my "free time" than I had anticipated--but it's too late now! Sorta like the train layout projects some of us start. . . . I, and I believe many others here, are envious of the progress and amount of completion that Mike has on his layout. Also Carl's layout--wow, guys you are raising the bar for the rest of us!! (hey you two, cut that out; just because ACG was a pole vaulter, ya don't have to turn all of us into ones! )

heh heh heh!

S'

David D.

PS Spring Game special this Sunday--two funnel cakes for the price of three!! Y'all come down and have some, hear?

New flavor--Rhubarb!

Oh, and a new roll on the player piano to listen to while you're waiting for your order: "Fryin' Dough Rag."


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60395 From: zemouse2001 Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
I love your layout - almost exactly the kind of layout I would like with lots and lots of running room. Your scenery (hope I spelled that right) looks great. Great video also. As a 'newbie' to AF trains, I am always very impressed by the 'choo-choo' sound on them. Wow over all. Great job.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri, USA
Group: S-Trains Message: 60396 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
Thanks Bob. I have been stalled the last few months for a couple of
health issues. Luckily, the hat weather is nearly here and I am healing
in time to spend some effort to finish up my track and start on the new
layout scenery.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zemouse2001
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:22 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hello

I love your layout - almost exactly the kind of layout I would like with
lots and lots of running room. Your scenery (hope I spelled that right)
looks great. Great video also. As a 'newbie' to AF trains, I am always
very impressed by the 'choo-choo' sound on them. Wow over all. Great
job.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri, USA
Group: S-Trains Message: 60397 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/2/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/2/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday May 2, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60398 From: grant Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Flyer Traffic Master #23320
I picked up some old S gaugians from the 70s & 80s and in one issue they have an ad for the Traffic Master with no description.
I have never heard of this beast and can't find a book that even mentions it.
Anyone know of it or have a photo?
Just curious what it looks like.
Thanks
Grant
Group: S-Trains Message: 60399 From: grant Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: CA Railroad museum in Sacramento CA
I've been asked numerous times if I ever went to this museum so I finally got there this past weekend.
Unlike most railroad museums, they devote the entire 2nd floor to the stuff I really like - toy trains!
I was surprised to see quite a lot of flyer- not the normal "BTW - here is a S scale boxcar". Even Gilbert erector sets and Pre war flyer. I put some photos here if you want to check them out
Grant

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/0/list?mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
Group: S-Trains Message: 60400 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Re: CA Railroad museum in Sacramento CA
Grant,

Great pictures and I am glad you had a great time there. I hope Cheryl made the trip with you, as I see the Giants where home. Those must of been tickets not in your packet. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: grant
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] CA Railroad museum in Sacramento CA



I've been asked numerous times if I ever went to this museum so I finally got there this past weekend.
Unlike most railroad museums, they devote the entire 2nd floor to the stuff I really like - toy trains!
I was surprised to see quite a lot of flyer- not the normal "BTW - here is a S scale boxcar". Even Gilbert erector sets and Pre war flyer. I put some photos here if you want to check them out
Grant

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/0/list?mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=asc





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60401 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Non Train things for a layout
A couple of things that I have gotten for the layout that has no trains involved.

From Micro Mark I got attachments that you use on your vacuum to vacuum your layout, like buildings, train cars and engines, autos, roadway, etc. Make sure small things are glued down or taken up.

Carl T. on the S list has a wonderful thing he used to reach over his layout for things, but it cost over 200 and I am not sure I can get it down my narrow aisles.

What I use is a two step ladder and I put a bath mat under it so the ladder when reaching over does not slide out from you, as it did one time and not only did it nearly cause damage to me, but it nearly cause allot of damage to the layout. LOL

Just thought I would pass this along.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60402 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Bad News. LOL
A friend of mine informed me of the old billboard on the York Rail Trail for a furniture store in Railroad, PA, that was erected in the 1940's as the store went out of business in 1971 is now covered up with a NEW sign. Boo hoo. However, the sign lives on, on my layout.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vjconnor/3693539527/ Picture of the billboard as Bill Zide graciously sent me back prints of my photos that I used on the billboard I made for the layout. Here is a picture of the billboard from someone on Flickr.

Mike

Lastly, your old rusted sign in Railroad (what was it, for furniture?) has been covered over by a new sign for a tiny little park that they put under the sign. I'm betting they spent about as much to cover the sign as to put in the playground. But at least a few families were using it (the playground, not the sign).


Steve


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60403 From: Matthew Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Building Lights
We have a 56 sq. ft. layout with 20 buildings. We'd like to put lights inside the buildings but: A) We don't want to go through the hassle of running a bunch of wiring and, B) We want the option of rearranging the buildings at any time.

Does anyone have a solution for this problem? Does anyone make any small, battery powered, remote control operated LED lights, or something like that?

Thank you very much.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60404 From: Timboy Date: 5/3/2010
Subject: Re: Hello
Thanks guys. It's been fun to build. I'm not sure where I'm headed with it next.
-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60405 From: aztecfan Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: enjoy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60406 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: Artista
Interesting new figures from Artista, if I am writing that correct.

They have one standing and one kneeling taking pictures of trains.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60407 From: Timboy Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: Re: enjoy
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "aztecfan" <aztecfan@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-PyFAfA7JI&NR=1
>

That is awesome! Thank you so much for sharing. For more "Train Guy" humor, visit my blog at: http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/.
-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60408 From: richs009 Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: Amazing layout
I know this isn't S - scale, but here's a G - scale layout that is amazing. this link will also lead to other videos of the same layout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HoCTo1SLHI&feature=related

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 60409 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/4/2010
Subject: New Layout Videos Posted
Hi All,

I've just posted two new videos to YouTube.

The first is an MTH operating passenger station. It can be viewed at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Pj-ZiLslg

The second is my hobo village complete with music. It can be viewed at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0S7hEv8rQ

Enjoy!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60410 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos Posted
I love that MTH station and that's no bull, Bull. The people they used
on it are the same as the unpainted people they sell in a big bag and
they are all 3/16ths size. Very cool.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Videos Posted

Hi All,

I've just posted two new videos to YouTube.

The first is an MTH operating passenger station. It can be viewed at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Pj-ZiLslg

The second is my hobo village complete with music. It can be viewed at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0S7hEv8rQ

Enjoy!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60411 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: The LATEST S Helper Video
_http://tcamembers.org/netvision/shelper.htm_
(http://tcamembers.org/netvision/shelper.htm)

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60412 From: rm_hirailer Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: "S" in Comic Strip
I know the NASG Dispatch has a column entitled "S in Non-S Publications," but I think this is the first time I've seen our scale specifically mentioned in a comic strip. Check out today's (May 5, 2010) strip of "Pearls Before Swine."

http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/

Hey, we'll take publicity anywhere we can get it--right, Jeff Madden?

YourS,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 60413 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: The LATEST S Helper Video
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
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>
>
> _http://tcamembers.org/netvision/shelper.htm_
> (http://tcamembers.org/netvision/shelper.htm)
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> Jim Lyle
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Folks: Just either remove the leading and trailing underscores or copy/paste the link that is inside the parenthesis to make the above link work. -Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60414 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: Amazing layout
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> I know this isn't S - scale, but here's a G - scale layout that is amazing. this link will also lead to other videos of the same layout.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HoCTo1SLHI&feature=related
>
> - Rich
>
-Unbelievable! Makes a Wannabe Train Guy out of me all over again! -Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60415 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: Re: The LATEST S Helper Video
Who's THAT derelict doin' the talkin'?

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From: WJJIM@...
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, S-scale@yahoogroups.com, showcaseline@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The LATEST S Helper Video
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60416 From: splsaab Date: 5/5/2010
Subject: S-scale getting a shout-out from an unusual source
For all of those that haven't seen todays (May 5th) "Pearls Before Swine" comic strip:

http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/
Group: S-Trains Message: 60417 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Spring Videos from TCA/NTTM
Ladies and Gentlmen,

THIS link works for me--
(http://tcamembers.org/netvision/) , select (obviously) the S Helper presentation.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60418 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Traffic Master #23320
Grant,

S Gaugian magazine ran a series of articles by Dave Garrigues and Peter
Jugle going over the items introduced year by year by AF. I am not sure
when this ran originally, but the articles from 1946-1965 are reprinted
in "AC Gilbert's Heritage." For the year 1960, the 23320 is noted as
"never made." The text says: "The only new accessory planned was the
23320 Traffic Master. However, it was never produced and only appeared
in the advance Dealer catalog no. D2192." There is a photo on page 64
of the reprinted book, but it is very small. It appears to be more of a
make believe game than an actual accessory. It has three dials on a
flat panel and a raised easel with a map of the U.S. with lines
representing, I would assume, railroad routes. What the dials do I
can't imagine. It was priced at $14.98.

Dale

grant wrote:
>
>
> I picked up some old S gaugians from the 70s & 80s and in one issue
> they have an ad for the Traffic Master with no description.
> I have never heard of this beast and can't find a book that even
> mentions it.
> Anyone know of it or have a photo?
> Just curious what it looks like.
> Thanks
> Grant
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60419 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Pic uploaded to Photos section
Hello;
I just uploaded a pic of a "Chew Mail Pouch" barn I made to the Photo section, in a folder named "Big, bad Timboy's Trains". Here is a link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2010879504/pic/list
I made it out of 1/8" Luan in a more or less MiniCraft style. The roof is painted sandpaper, the sign is a decal and the doors/windows are painted in - unlike MiniCraft where they are cut out. Anyway, it seems to be a pretty good fit for "Jonsey's Farm".
-Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60420 From: David Dewey Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: S in comic strip
I thought there might be a follow up today, but instead he mentions the local beer company! (Chico, CA, about 30 miles from my house.)
I still emailed him about Superman wearing an S.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60421 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Re: S in comic strip
David,

Usually the comic does not follow up on things like that.

Only when the Crocs are trying to eat the Zebras, you might get a weeks worth of a theme. LOL

Would you believe the writer is a lawyer by trade and would draw animals like this in law class?

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: David Dewey
To: s-trains list
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S in comic strip



I thought there might be a follow up today, but instead he mentions the local beer company! (Chico, CA, about 30 miles from my house.)
I still emailed him about Superman wearing an S.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60422 From: grant Date: 5/6/2010
Subject: Re: "S" in Comic Strip
and the weird part of it HO was left off!
My wife will refer to my trains as choo choos now too.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rm_hirailer" <number22@...> wrote:
>
> I know the NASG Dispatch has a column entitled "S in Non-S Publications," but I think this is the first time I've seen our scale specifically mentioned in a comic strip. Check out today's (May 5, 2010) strip of "Pearls Before Swine."
>
> http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/
>
> Hey, we'll take publicity anywhere we can get it--right, Jeff Madden?
>
> YourS,
> John Eichmann
> Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
> Boise
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60423 From: fahrwud Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: "S" in Comic Strip
I believe it's "choo-choo-trains", all one word. Just ask my wife.........
Group: S-Trains Message: 60424 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: S in comic strip
Maybe if I could draw I would have had more fun in law school.
Actually AF S would give Pig just what he wants, trains that go choo-choo.

Dale

michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
>
> Would you believe the writer is a lawyer by trade and would draw
> animals like this in law class?
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60425 From: fahrwud Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building Lights
I butchered a Brimlight recently, and I believe they have great potential for model railroads. The batteries are those coin-shaped type, a bit bigger than a quarter.I'm sure the manual micro-switch could be replaced by some remote control type.
http://www.brimlightusa.com/



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew" <mkperks@...> wrote:
>
> We have a 56 sq. ft. layout with 20 buildings. We'd like to put lights inside the buildings but: A) We don't want to go through the hassle of running a bunch of wiring and, B) We want the option of rearranging the buildings at any time.
>
> Does anyone have a solution for this problem? Does anyone make any small, battery powered, remote control operated LED lights, or something like that?
>
> Thank you very much.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60426 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Modeling ideas
There is a private school near where I work that is composed of a central building surrounded by 4 boxcars painted bright yellow and blue and one caboose which is used for the office. I spoke with staff and was told this was originally a restaurant called Victoria Station.

I thought this would make a great modeling idea for anyone with junker cars they would like to use. So I put several photos in an album called Modeling Ideas. I made the album open to the group to add, change and remove photos as required. You can use this for your modeling ideas. I will try to create a layout drawing of the building later and add to the album. As I understand the building, the center structure is used as a reception and library area and the 4 boxcars are classrooms. The caboose is the office. There is now an adjacent building also used as classrooms that was not there when the building was a restaurant.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 60427 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: National Canal Museum
I mentioned awhile ago about a RR talk at the National Canal Museum in Easton, PA.

Someone said on either the TTML or S list he was going to the talk this month.

Could that person email me please, I have something I want to send to you.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60428 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Thanks Wayne,

Victoria Station used to have the best hamburgers in South Florida. The
salad bar was good, too. The ones down here all had LGB trains running
on tracks near the ceiling. They would probably still be in business if
they had used American Flyer! Lets see, to model that, I would need
trains that are 1/64th of 1/24 (give or take a small amount) or 1/1536.
Hmmmm, that part of the interior will be tough to do.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rapidrail1
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:59 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Modeling ideas

There is a private school near where I work that is composed of a
central building surrounded by 4 boxcars painted bright yellow and blue
and one caboose which is used for the office. I spoke with staff and
was told this was originally a restaurant called Victoria Station.

I thought this would make a great modeling idea for anyone with junker
cars they would like to use. So I put several photos in an album called
Modeling Ideas. I made the album open to the group to add, change and
remove photos as required. You can use this for your modeling ideas. I
will try to create a layout drawing of the building later and add to the
album. As I understand the building, the center structure is used as a
reception and library area and the 4 boxcars are classrooms. The
caboose is the office. There is now an adjacent building also used as
classrooms that was not there when the building was a restaurant.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 60429 From: Bob Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Promotion Announcement
Good afternoon. Now that the special subscription renewal campaign is over, it's time to offer the same deal to first-time subscribers.

Now through May 31, subscribe to 1 year (4 issues) of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine and I'll throw in an extra issue free! This offer is available to both online and by mail subscriptions. I will automatically add the 5th issue to your subscription in the database--you won't see any mention of an extra issue on the online subscription form or the downloadable PDF.

Remember, this offer is good through May 31, 2010 and is for new subscribers only! This offer is not available to half-year subscriptions.

If want your subscription to start with the current issue (Winter, 2010), you better act fast, because there are only 36 copies left and once they're gone, they're gone!

Subscribe online at: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

Our mailing address is: RLN Publishing, PO Box 6104, West Orange NJ, 07052-6104

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
THE Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader
Group: S-Trains Message: 60430 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
In a message dated 5/7/2010 1:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
waynebeachy113@... writes:

I thought this would make a great modeling idea for anyone with junker cars
they would like to use.

You wouldn't HAVE to use junker cars, you COULD use current Flyonel cars,
you wouldn't be sacrificing any detail (there is no detail) and the trucks
probably fell apart in the box before you bought it.

Thinking out loud in PA

Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60431 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Hey S Helper Super Star!!!!!

Any movie contracts yet?

Big payoff from Don yet?

just kidding, well done, Jim with the video.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Modeling ideas




In a message dated 5/7/2010 1:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
waynebeachy113@... writes:

I thought this would make a great modeling idea for anyone with junker cars
they would like to use.

You wouldn't HAVE to use junker cars, you COULD use current Flyonel cars,
you wouldn't be sacrificing any detail (there is no detail) and the trucks
probably fell apart in the box before you bought it.

Thinking out loud in PA

Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60432 From: George Cohn Date: 5/7/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
On 5/7/2010 5:58 AM, rapidrail1 wrote:
>
> There is a private school near where I work that is composed of a
> central building surrounded by 4 boxcars painted bright yellow and blue
> and one caboose which is used for the office. I spoke with staff and was
> told this was originally a restaurant called Victoria Station.

That may have been a chain restaurant as I recall something similar
where I live. Another time there was a night club that was composed of
several boxcars and they had phones at each table with a sign indicating
the extension number of the phone.

The idea was if you saw an attractive girl (or guy), you could call them
and offer to buy them a drink I suppose.

Not an altogether alien idea as one of the passenger cars would make a
dandy diner. Wait, didn't AC Gilbert already do that? ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60433 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
Definitely a chain restaurant. We had one in Gaithersburg, MD, which we
went to a few times. I think they actually had a caboose as well as the
boxcar where one ate. Thought it had English or Australian 'roots', but
checked wikipedia and found out the chain was an outgrowth of a Cornell
University graduate project. Interiors were based on decor from
Victoria Station in London?
Well, that was the 70's for you. It went bankrupt in the 80's.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

George Cohn wrote:
>
>
> On 5/7/2010 5:58 AM, rapidrail1 wrote:
> >
> > There is a private school near where I work that is composed of a
> > central building surrounded by 4 boxcars painted bright yellow and blue
> > and one caboose which is used for the office. I spoke with staff and was
> > told this was originally a restaurant called Victoria Station.
>
> That may have been a chain restaurant as I recall something similar
> where I live. Another time there was a night club that was composed of
> several boxcars and they had phones at each table with a sign indicating
> the extension number of the phone.
>
> The idea was if you saw an attractive girl (or guy), you could call them
> and offer to buy them a drink I suppose.
>
> Not an altogether alien idea as one of the passenger cars would make a
> dandy diner. Wait, didn't AC Gilbert already do that? ;-)
>
> George Cohn
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60435 From: william cole Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Re: Modeling ideas
there was one on Henderson Road in King Of Prussia, PA... went belly up in the early 1980's. became a Rib-It. burned, now a McDonalds resides on the sight... no trace of the box cars or the caboose.....that was in the late 1980's that if burned.....
 Bc


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________________________________
From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 5:39:04 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Modeling ideas

 
Definitely a chain restaurant. We had one in Gaithersburg, MD, which we
went to a few times. I think they actually had a caboose as well as the
boxcar where one ate. Thought it had English or Australian 'roots', but
checked wikipedia and found out the chain was an outgrowth of a Cornell
University graduate project. Interiors were based on decor from
Victoria Station in London?
Well, that was the 70's for you. It went bankrupt in the 80's.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

George Cohn wrote:
>
>
> On 5/7/2010 5:58 AM, rapidrail1 wrote:
> >
> > There is a private school near where I work that is composed of a
> > central building surrounded by 4 boxcars painted bright yellow and blue
> > and one caboose which is used for the office. I spoke with staff and was
> > told this was originally a restaurant called Victoria Station.
>
> That may have been a chain restaurant as I recall something similar
> where I live. Another time there was a night club that was composed of
> several boxcars and they had phones at each table with a sign indicating
> the extension number of the phone.
>
> The idea was if you saw an attractive girl (or guy), you could call them
> and offer to buy them a drink I suppose.
>
> Not an altogether alien idea as one of the passenger cars would make a
> dandy diner. Wait, didn't AC Gilbert already do that? ;-)
>
> George Cohn
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60436 From: David Dewey Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Victoria Station
Yes, definately a chain, I remember eating at one in San Francisco, underneath the Embarcadero Freeway (For those not famiilar with SF and it's unique politics, this structure--a two deck elevated freeway--was finally torn down (most of it anyways) because it infringed on the view of the bay for all those west of it. It really WAS UGLY! Typical 60's concrete boxes. I think the one in SF had a passenger car or two. There is a similar complex between SF and Sacramento at Cordellia Junction. The cars there have antique shops, etc. At least last time I was there; it may all be closed now!
S'
David D.
PS the cars are on trucks on short pieces of track.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60437 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/8/2010
Subject: Modeling idea
I have posted a drawing of the layout of building and train cars that is at the private school I wrote about the other day. The small brown rectangle in the front corner is the porch at the entrance. The blue and yellow are the boxcars and the red is the caboose, of course. The gray is the main building.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 60438 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Victoria Station
David,

As far as I can see, it is _all_ gone on the Embarcadero, its removal
hastened by earthquake fears after the Loma Prieta earthquake in 89. It
was either reinforce it or tear it down. The Embarcadero is now home
to the Muni F line served by dozens of PCC cars and classic streetcars.
Freeway replaced by rail. I like that.

Dale

David Dewey wrote:
>
>
> this structure--a two deck elevated freeway--was finally torn down
> (most of it anyways) because it infringed on the view of the bay for
> all those west of it. It really WAS UGLY!
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60439 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Victoria Station
The Chain closed down in 1986, as it was started by a Cornell University Hotel School graduate project.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: David Dewey
To: s-trains list
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Victoria Station



Yes, definately a chain, I remember eating at one in San Francisco, underneath the Embarcadero Freeway (For those not famiilar with SF and it's unique politics, this structure--a two deck elevated freeway--was finally torn down (most of it anyways) because it infringed on the view of the bay for all those west of it. It really WAS UGLY! Typical 60's concrete boxes. I think the one in SF had a passenger car or two. There is a similar complex between SF and Sacramento at Cordellia Junction. The cars there have antique shops, etc. At least last time I was there; it may all be closed now!
S'
David D.
PS the cars are on trucks on short pieces of track.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60440 From: UNLV666@aol.com Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/9/2010, 8:00 pm
I am looking to purchase an S-Helper "B" Unit for an F-7 B&M Model with
road number 4265 or 4268. Does anyone have one for sale?

Joe



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S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60441 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
Hi All,

I'm interested in buying a "S" Gauge National Toy Train Museum work train tank car. I am also interested in buying a 661 aluminum coach car. If anyone has either or both that they would consider selling, please let me know.

Thanks,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 60442 From: Al Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: American Flyer F-9 Questions
Hi,
I am looking for a prospect for my next custom loco job. I am considering the chassis of an AmericanFlyer F-9, but I have never owned one and so need some info.

What is the overall approximate length of the loco, not including couplers?

What is the center to center distance between axels on one truck?

What is the distance center to center, of the two inside axels between the two trucks?

Do I remember right that these typically do not run well? If so, is it because of the motors, or problems in the trucks?

Can they be refitted with can motors?

Measurements do not need to be down to thousandths of an inch - a sixteenth or eight of an inch is good - whatever you can do.

Thanks in advance for any help that can be provided.

Al Baker
Portland, OR
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60444 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
TCA has some available.



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: bull_gator_1@...
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:25:34 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car





Hi All,

I'm interested in buying a "S" Gauge National Toy Train Museum work train tank car. I am also interested in buying a 661 aluminum coach car. If anyone has either or both that they would consider selling, please let me know.

Thanks,

David





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60445 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: AF items
P.S. Know anyone looking for a 24016, 24519, 21831 AFL version, 466 Stamped Version, Brown stripe pass. set, or a 5555W set?
*************************************************************
If any one is looking for the above AF items let me know, as a friend is selling these items.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60446 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
Sorry.... the tank cars sold out long ago..... about 2004 or 5 was when i found my last one in pitt.... bob
might entertain an offer for one or both....

--- On Sun, 5/9/10, Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...> wrote:


From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 6:17 PM


 




TCA has some available.


To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
From: bull_gator_1@ yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:25:34 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car

Hi All,

I'm interested in buying a "S" Gauge National Toy Train Museum work train tank car. I am also interested in buying a 661 aluminum coach car. If anyone has either or both that they would consider selling, please let me know.

Thanks,

David


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60447 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: AF items for sale
I'm wanting to sell a Washington Set in E+/LN condition, a 24319 Penn Salt
in E+ condition and a Restored 295.(very pretty) and a 342 in Ex
condition.

Anyone interested in any of these please contact me off list.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60448 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer F-9 Questions
As far as the "chassis" is concerned, there is none. The two trucks
snap into slots in the side of the body, so your distance between inside
axles can be whatever you want it to be. I am not sure about the
wheelbase of the trucks, as I was never much interested in these
models. A diagram showing the trucks can be found on myflyertrains.org
at http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album209?page=27

Dale

Al wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
> I am looking for a prospect for my next custom loco job. I am
> considering the chassis of an AmericanFlyer F-9, but I have never
> owned one and so need some info.
>
> What is the overall approximate length of the loco, not including
> couplers?
>
> What is the center to center distance between axels on one truck?
>
> What is the distance center to center, of the two inside axels between
> the two trucks?
>
> Do I remember right that these typically do not run well? If so, is it
> because of the motors, or problems in the trucks?
>
> Can they be refitted with can motors?
>
> Measurements do not need to be down to thousandths of an inch - a
> sixteenth or eight of an inch is good - whatever you can do.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help that can be provided.
>
> Al Baker
> Portland, OR
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60449 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer F-9 Questions
Actually this is a better link directly to the page.
http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album209/21205_G
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60450 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to Buy: NTTM Tank Car & 661 Coach Car
Yes, I thought the TCA still had some, but they are different cars.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60451 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/10/2010
Subject: Re: AF items
Hi Mike,
Check out ebay item #270574848994 10 hours to go. Don't know if you got this piece yet.
Tom Seccia

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF items
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 10:31 PM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60452 From: grdobbs Date: 5/10/2010
Subject: F-9's
I have several F-9's they are out of scale, they run fairly good, but
noisy, The motor is the same motor Gilbert used in the 21065, 21066, and
21068, known as the Casey Jones loco. Fun to collect as they are not
expensive, they run on the 15" radius Pike master track. But,
I belive that this would not be a good project for converting.
Jerry 77-11644
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60453 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/10/2010
Subject: Updated American Flyer Operator Equipment
Fellow AF Operators: 

I've added new operator equipment to my web site at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  There is a really nice 21005 switcher with cars in set 20425, including the 25045 rocket launcher, 24549 Erie floodlight flatcar and 24626 yellow/silver caboose.  I've also added a new 48038 L/AF Great Northern Electric, 48064 Milwaukee 4-8-4 Northern with Railsounds, and a 48014 North Pacific GP-9 from 1995 that includes a 48771 NP Bay Window caboose (2 for 1 deal).  In addition, there is a good looking K335
4-8-4 Northern that is priced to move.

My trains are in good working order, especially the brand new ones listed on the site.  They are mainly for you, and priced right for avid operators and hobbyist.  Contact me offline through my e-mail address on the web site for additional information.  Thanks and have a great rest of the week.

P.S. We live in the Nashville area suburb ofBrentwood.  Last weeks flood devastated the area that will cost nearly $2 billion in private and public rebuilding.  We were fortunate here with no damage, but many friends and associates have lost family and homes from the effects of mother nature.  Our prayers go out to them. 

Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60454 From: hjsheffield Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Truck Scales
Hello Group

I am offering a new track side kit of a truck scale in S gauge. This laser cut kit is sized for the typical 40' truck and trailer. It can also be made into a grain elevator size by using only half of the platform. The retail cost of the kit is $49.95 plus shipping.

See the album named Truck Scales in the photos section and/or email me and I can send pics as well as answering questions.

As the exclusive distributor for the new entry of the manufacturer I can offer other dealers a discount on these kits.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 60455 From: pab11147 Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Updated electronics
I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?

Thanks, Paul B.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60456 From: George Cohn Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
On 5/11/2010 5:03 AM, pab11147 wrote:

> I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially
> collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can
> motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus
> their value and appeal?

Depends. If you are just interested in operators with little
maintenance, then the conversions would probably suit you.

That said, I prefer to keep them as original as possible because their
simplicity is their charm in my opinion although I do use new
reproduction parts if an original new or used part is no longer available.

As for collectability, I think it would diminish the value to one who
collects as nearly original or mint versions because they no longer have
original parts.

I restore old sports cars sometimes and "matching numbers, IE: original
parts" carries a very high value in that community. I would think to a
collector of original AF, it would be much the same.

Just my .02 worth. ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60457 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pab11147" <pab1147@...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?
>
> Thanks, Paul B.
>

Paul: Recently I wrote my thoughts on this in my blog. Here is a direct link to it: http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/2010/02/is-it-worth-converting-vintage-american.html.
-Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60458 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Paul,
     Anything other than original would certainly diminish the value and desirability of such units. That being said, it is up to the individual hobbyist to make the judgment and therefore live with the consequences.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


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From: pab11147 <pab1147@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Updated electronics
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:03 AM


 



I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?

Thanks, Paul B.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60459 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
In My opinion if the item has some value I would not do anything to it.

I had a Hudson I got for 150 back in 1992 and I had Steve convert it to DCC.

I would think today taking a 300 dollar engine or less that are common like a 326 or K325 would be okay to do , since a new DCC engine could cost you 600 or so.

Something that is 4 or higher no, I would not touch doing that conversion.

Wouldn't it be funny to see a DCC 21165 Casey Jones engine as you can get all you want for less than 20, maybe 10. LOL

Good luck with this, as what exactly are you thinking to convert as that might help you get some better answer, as far as value and condition.

I used Krylon semi gloss black to touch up this engine as Doug Peck had no idea it was touch up and it had silver paint all over it, one reason for the low price as it was a 21130 with no steps.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: pab11147
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Updated electronics



I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?

Thanks, Paul B.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60460 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Hi Paul,

Go ahead and do it.

These trains are mass-produced toys. I can only think of three cases
where updating is a bad idea.
[1] The item is in pristine condition suitable for display in a public
museum.
[2] The item represents a truly rare (very old or one with few surviving
examples) piece.
[3] You as the owner want to keep it as it was.

The question comes up often. Some folks worry about the dollar value and
liquidity of these trains. Some folks are philosophically opposed to any
changes to anything they like. In my case, I note that I often lubricate
the moving parts with fluids and powders that did not come in the
original boxes 60 years ago. That is clearly a change. Everything else
is just a matter of degree. If an electrical pickup wiper fails and is
replaced with something new, that is a change. If the motor brushes wear
away and are replaced with new ones, that is a change. If the traction
tires shred and are replaced, that is a change. How about a wheel that
cracks or is worn and then replaced with something made by hand? That
sounds like a change to me.

When a reverse unit craps out, we can replace it with one cannibalized
from another loco, install an electronic substitute, convert the motor
to run on DC with a bridge rectifier, replace the motor or go all the
way to a command and control setup. All of those choices are better than
scrapping the loco.

If there is interest in this topic, we might want to consider a poll
just for grins. Selecting the poll choices should be done better than
the choices in most political polls. I would be willing to set it up if
I knew the right choices to offer.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of pab11147
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:04 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Updated electronics

I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially
collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can
motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus
their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a
lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything
on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the
same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment
because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and
performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue.
Opinion's please ?

Thanks, Paul B.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60461 From: Al Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Hi Paul,
I suspect to the die-hard collector, you will have greatly reduced the collector value (for now). But I say so what! They are your toys, do with them what makes you happy. As many of us (me included) old guys are going to be moving on to other worlds in the not many years to come, there will be an over abundance of original collectable trains on the market for the decreasing number of collectors. The prices are going to go down anyhow, whether they are original or not. So don't worry about it. Do what makes your hobby fun for you, that's what I say.

Al Baker




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pab11147" <pab1147@...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?
>
> Thanks, Paul B.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60462 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Since I am a modeler and operator first, not a collector, I have changed
the electronics in all of my old AF engines to DC, replacing the old
direction relay with full diode bridges.

My next step will be to replace all of the old AF motor with the
appropriate can motors as time and funds allow.

I will not alter the flanges or wheels but will run the AF conversions
on at least code 131 track which seems to work with AF flanges.

In the event I ever decide to sell any of my AF items I have kept all of
the motors and reverse units so that I can put them back to original. I
am being very careful not to do anything to alter the actual engines.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 5/11/2010 8:03 AM, pab11147 wrote:
>
> I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially
> collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can
> motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and
> thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can
> require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering
> converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is
> up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the
> desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's
> what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would
> appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?
>
> Thanks, Paul B.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60463 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Updated electronics
I am a firm believer in going straight DC power and can motors for smooth operation. However, having said that, I can tell you from experience that it is NOT the way to go as a collector.
Collectability of any vintage thing, be it toy trains or vintage cars (a subject I also know something about) is damaged with every change from the original.
In vintage automobiles, the Restored Car is in demand by those who want to collect and display their items, and possibly drive them on occassion.
Those who wish to drive an old car often, and want it to be up to date in reliability and drivability are considered Street Rodders, or Custom Car people. There has long been animosity between Hot Rodders and Restorers. Worse than between those who collect old toy trains and those who want to modify and run them all the time. (Although, I was once "called out" into the parking lot at an S Spree for making a 2-8-0 out of a #343 0-8-0 which I rebuilt from junk.)
I would suggest that really valuable old American Flyer trains should remain in original or restored condition. This protects their heritage and your investment.
If you want to operate often and with the reliability of modern can motors, and electronic reverese units or no reverse unit on DC power, do so with items of lesser value. Or as I do, rebuild them from junk box finds where there is no question of value or rarity.
I know that many avid collectors disagree with my way of playing with old trains. However, to me a shelf full of machinery that never runs is like going to the zoo to see stuffed animals.
Stumpy Stone...formerly known as the Mad Butcher in eastern Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60464 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
I remember many years ago when Jerry Matsick got into S, someone gave him a LN Northern and Jerry had it converted to somekind of electronics, not sure if it was DCC or just a upgrade reverse unit.

Jerry told the man what he did all excited and I think the man nearly had a heart attack. LOL

Hey, it was Jerry's engine to do what with he please to do and this is what Jerry wanted to do.

Good for him.

I said on this list about th current question, if you want to take a 1500 dollar 21139 and convert, go ahead, you own it, do what you what, be happy with it, as you can always get another one.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60465 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Upgrading toy trains
Folks:

From the replies posted so far that I have read, I respectfully submit that everyone is missing a valid point. Swap-outs or refits or whatever can largely be done without destroying the value of the piece if one does it carefully and keeps the original parts for when one wants to restore it back to vintage. That said, if you damage the piece when doing the upgrade, then it may lose value - depending on the condition of the piece in the first place. IOW's, if it's a junker, then who cares; but if it's pristine then you risk devaluation.

-Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60466 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
> Paul: Recently I wrote my thoughts on this in my blog. Here is a direct link to it: http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/2010/02/is-it-worth-converting-vintage-american.html.
> -Big, Bad Timboy
>
The link I gave doesn't work with a period at the end of it. To work properly, it should be thus:

http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/2010/02/is-it-worth-converting-vintage-american.html

I hate when the happens. Sorry for the confusion. I simply have too many thoughts on that subject to hog up List space, which is why I pointed to it in my blog instead.

Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60467 From: Dave Winslow Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
pab11147 wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there
> (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with
> current electronics (can motors and E switches, for
> example) compromises their integrity and thus their
> value and appeal?

I'm not a collector, don't yet have my RR running, but I am
not short of opinions :-)

Seems to me, if you can upgrade (there are great reasons for
doing so), without permanently altering the engine, then why
not? I see it the same as a vehicles, one hates to cut up
the sheet metal, but bolt on stuff -- sure!

> As you know , original equipment can require a lot of
> maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting
> everything on each engine the next time any one of them
> is up for repair.

As I understand it, the can motor goes in place of the
original, requiring no irreversible change. Is this correct
anyone? Same with the reversing switch.

> At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability
> of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's
> what you can see (the shell) and performance that count
> but I would appreciate feedback on this issue.
> Opinion's please ?

Again about cars, who wants an old point type ignition, or a
vacuum wiper? Only in a show car do most people keep these
things, upgrading is just common sense on a driver.

I'll be interested in other (and more competent) responses.

> Thanks, Paul B.

Thank you, Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60468 From: robert hendrickson Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
It depends on why you purchased the trains in the first place. If you bought them as an "investment" then by all means keep them original. If you enjoy operating your trains then anything that enhances their operation as well as your enjoyment should be priority. Personally I like to rehab beat up pieces with new paint and RR markings as well as can motors and electronic e units. That's one of the great things about this hobby is that you have the opportunity to do as you please with your railroad.
 
Bob


--- On Tue, 5/11/10, pab11147 <pab1147@...> wrote:


From: pab11147 <pab1147@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Updated electronics
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:03 AM


 



I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?

Thanks, Paul B.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60469 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: More on conversions
I'd like to say here to those that just don't know. Converting Flyer locos
to can motors and electronics in no way harms or alters the original parts
of the locos or tenders. Everything just drops in, in place of the original
motor and reverser. It can always be put back in as it was originally if
you save the old parts. Why not make them run more reliably and smoother? As
previously stated, don't mess with the high end pieces, but wow, you are
really missing out on great running by not converting.
Steve...SnS


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60470 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/11/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Paul,
If the equipment is in top visual condition as rated by TCA and others,
leave it as original. If it shows wear and tear, swap it out and get more
trouble free and up to date pleasure in it's use.. Only the best looking pieces
are highly collectible in most cases.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60471 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: 326 plug in tender?
I am going back and forth with a friend not on this list and I am wondering if anyone knows anything about the below, as I could see how this might of happen in 1958 at the AF plant, due to prototypes for the plastic tender, a error of stamping the new engines, etc.

Mike
*********************************************
Mike,
I think the 21129 is the second rarest Hudson behind the 326 Hudson with a plug-into-the-tender (like a 21129 with a plastic tender); it has a June 1958 date stamp!
I've seen 4 of them in 35 years.
Robert
P.S. The 293 plug (like a 21099) was made in April 1958 & the 343 plug (like a 21145) was made in May 1958. Neither are close to the rarity of the 326; the 293 is rarer than the 343. The 336 & 313 were never made like that

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60472 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Hi Paul,
� I'm not sure which pieces you are considering to convert.   Any conversion of an original American Flyer piece will certainly diminish the value.  That includes the original wiring, solder and other factory assembly pieces.  There are certain locomotives, while these are in excellent or better condition are not that rare.  For example a 312AC, 302, 290, 293, 283 are some that you may want to convert.  A 21115 K5, 21139 Northern, 21004 Pennsy Switcher, a 346 0-8-0 Switcher you might want to stop and think about it.  Theses pieces range from $500 to $1500.  If you have some questions on the value of your trains, you might want to ask some of us in the group to give you some figures.  I believe Stumpy and others in the group have offered you some helpful comments.  If you are asking me as a survey question "Does converting an original item to operate better make if lose value" my answer would be "YES".
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, pab11147 <pab1147@...> wrote:

From: pab11147 <pab1147@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Updated electronics
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:03 AM







 









I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?



Thanks, Paul B.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60473 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: More on conversions
Actually according to the TCA value is based on appearance, as something could be completely not working, but it does not effect the value.

Check it out on the TCA website.

Of course as you run you newly converted item, you need to take care of it not to get ding up.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] More on conversions



I'd like to say here to those that just don't know. Converting Flyer locos
to can motors and electronics in no way harms or alters the original parts
of the locos or tenders. Everything just drops in, in place of the original
motor and reverser. It can always be put back in as it was originally if
you save the old parts. Why not make them run more reliably and smoother? As
previously stated, don't mess with the high end pieces, but wow, you are
really missing out on great running by not converting.
Steve...SnS

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60474 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Paul,

Anytime you do something to a collectable, you effect the value downward.

Again, if it is a common item, go for it.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Updated electronics



Hi Paul,
� I'm not sure which pieces you are considering to convert. Any conversion of an original American Flyer piece will certainly diminish the value. That includes the original wiring, solder and other factory assembly pieces. There are certain locomotives, while these are in excellent or better condition are not that rare. For example a 312AC, 302, 290, 293, 283 are some that you may want to convert. A 21115 K5, 21139 Northern, 21004 Pennsy Switcher, a 346 0-8-0 Switcher you might want to stop and think about it. Theses pieces range from $500 to $1500. If you have some questions on the value of your trains, you might want to ask some of us in the group to give you some figures. I believe Stumpy and others in the group have offered you some helpful comments. If you are asking me as a survey question "Does converting an original item to operate better make if lose value" my answer would be "YES".
� Tom Seccia

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From: pab11147 <pab1147@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Updated electronics
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:03 AM



I'd like to do a little survey. Do people out there (especially collectors) feel that updating engines with current electronics (can motors and E switches, for example)compromises their integrity and thus their value and appeal? As you know , original equipment can require a lot of maintenance and repairs and I'm considering converting everything on each engine the next time any one of them is up for repair. At the same time, I don't want to dimish the desirability of the equipment because it's not "original". To me it's what you can see (the shell) and performance that count but I would appreciate feedback on this issue. Opinion's please ?

Thanks, Paul B.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60475 From: David Highfield Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated Electronics
I have updated to modern transformers with lower maintenance and better
safety.
It was not an easy decision but I decided that since I am running some
modern engines, the latest electronics were OK also.
Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60476 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Mike -
 
I don't know about the others but I have a 326 with a plastic tender with a two wire plug. Haven't looked for the date stamp. History of the piece is that it belonged to one of my mother's fellow teachers. He sold it to my mother when she was looking for a birthday gift for me and mentioned American Flyer in the teachers' lounge. I received it sometime in the '80's. It is the only one I have seen. A long time ago I wrote to Bruce Greenberg about it and he asked the S gauge book author who confirmed the existence of others. The below information is the first other documentation I have seen and the date stamp information is appreciated. When I am unpacking the trains, I will check the date stamp and let you know.

Bill Drake
Thundering along in St. Louis

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From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 326 plug in tender?
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 5:21 AM


 



I am going back and forth with a friend not on this list and I am wondering if anyone knows anything about the below, as I could see how this might of happen in 1958 at the AF plant, due to prototypes for the plastic tender, a error of stamping the new engines, etc.

Mike
************ ********* ********* ********* ******
Mike,
I think the 21129 is the second rarest Hudson behind the 326 Hudson with a plug-into-the- tender (like a 21129 with a plastic tender); it has a June 1958 date stamp!
I've seen 4 of them in 35 years.
Robert
P.S. The 293 plug (like a 21099) was made in April 1958 & the 343 plug (like a 21145) was made in May 1958. Neither are close to the rarity of the 326; the 293 is rarer than the 343. The 336 & 313 were never made like that

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60477 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: updating electronics
I have to say that I again think that this is a great group to be part of, and most everybody here realizes that these trains that AC Gilbert provided to us are just that toys, they are our toys to do with as we want. I don't have many rare A F trains or many that are pristine but what I do have are mine, what you have is yours acquired with your own cash or labor. If you want to keep them as original do so, or convert to run as you would DCC or DC or as I have done with some of my own TMCC. The most important thing to do is enjoy them, that is why AC made them for us, to have fun with them as we would prefer.
 IMRR Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60478 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Bill,

That is great that you have one with the plastic tender, as that I think might confirm the email I got.

I would think the 326 being with a plastic tender, no matter the date, would be a rarity.

And I would think it would be 1958 since that is when the plastic tenders came out.

Keep that email, print it out for documentation.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 326 plug in tender?



Mike -

I don't know about the others but I have a 326 with a plastic tender with a two wire plug. Haven't looked for the date stamp. History of the piece is that it belonged to one of my mother's fellow teachers. He sold it to my mother when she was looking for a birthday gift for me and mentioned American Flyer in the teachers' lounge. I received it sometime in the '80's. It is the only one I have seen. A long time ago I wrote to Bruce Greenberg about it and he asked the S gauge book author who confirmed the existence of others. The below information is the first other documentation I have seen and the date stamp information is appreciated. When I am unpacking the trains, I will check the date stamp and let you know.

Bill Drake
Thundering along in St. Louis

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 326 plug in tender?
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 5:21 AM



I am going back and forth with a friend not on this list and I am wondering if anyone knows anything about the below, as I could see how this might of happen in 1958 at the AF plant, due to prototypes for the plastic tender, a error of stamping the new engines, etc.

Mike
************ ********* ********* ********* ******
Mike,
I think the 21129 is the second rarest Hudson behind the 326 Hudson with a plug-into-the- tender (like a 21129 with a plastic tender); it has a June 1958 date stamp!
I've seen 4 of them in 35 years.
Robert
P.S. The 293 plug (like a 21099) was made in April 1958 & the 343 plug (like a 21145) was made in May 1958. Neither are close to the rarity of the 326; the 293 is rarer than the 343. The 336 & 313 were never made like that

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60479 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> Anytime you do something to a collectable, you effect the value downward.
>

Hi Michael,

Say, do you happen to have any pics of the AF you have converted? Would you be so kind as to please upload them into the "photos" section? I love seeing pics of other people's handiwork. I think we all do. I don't really convert anything, but here are some pics of my trains:

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#

Here is a link to some videos I have uploaded to uTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/PATimboy

Take care,

-Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60480 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 5/12/2010
Subject: updated electronics
I don't mind the updated electronics; just don't charge collector prices.

Jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60481 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Michael,

Thanks for sending me a link to your layout pics in the "photo" section! That looks pretty. You obviously took much thought and care to setting those scenic elements out. I'm thinking that maybe your original inspiration was a mid-west home town, because the layout is perfectly flat? I think you should take some short videos and post them on uTube so we can see it in action.

Also, thanks for uploading some pics of your AF conversions to the "photo" section. Nice! You must know your way around a soldering iron and air brush quite well! Keep up the good work!

Regards,
Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60482 From: Donald Abrams Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
How about getting a chassis from junk box or ebay?
Update the electronics as you see fit and then put your 'original' shell
onto them -- setting your original chassis aside?
Don Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 60483 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
GUYS.... My 30 has a DIE CAST TENDER and pluggs into the loco..... The flyer group examined it and felt it was something very early in the production..... Maybe you got my tender!!!!!!!! Its LN and I have all the Loco nd Tender boxes.... Hey they were making toys..... I also have a 21140 and 21145  thats slightly mixed up too... all with the boxes from the same place in NYC that the man had for many years... Since AF was in business.... there was some other junk in the same pile.... A gold PA, the guy said it was played with as a 50th anniv possibility..... but i don't think so....a vg 375, what looks like an original plaster of the bordens load, etc...... Bob

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 326 plug in tender?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:23 AM


 



Bill,

That is great that you have one with the plastic tender, as that I think might confirm the email I got.

I would think the 326 being with a plastic tender, no matter the date, would be a rarity.

And I would think it would be 1958 since that is when the plastic tenders came out.

Keep that email, print it out for documentation.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Drake
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 326 plug in tender?

Mike -

I don't know about the others but I have a 326 with a plastic tender with a two wire plug. Haven't looked for the date stamp. History of the piece is that it belonged to one of my mother's fellow teachers. He sold it to my mother when she was looking for a birthday gift for me and mentioned American Flyer in the teachers' lounge. I received it sometime in the '80's. It is the only one I have seen. A long time ago I wrote to Bruce Greenberg about it and he asked the S gauge book author who confirmed the existence of others. The below information is the first other documentation I have seen and the date stamp information is appreciated. When I am unpacking the trains, I will check the date stamp and let you know.

Bill Drake
Thundering along in St. Louis

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net>
Subject: [S-Trains] 326 plug in tender?
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 5:21 AM

I am going back and forth with a friend not on this list and I am wondering if anyone knows anything about the below, as I could see how this might of happen in 1958 at the AF plant, due to prototypes for the plastic tender, a error of stamping the new engines, etc.

Mike
************ ********* ********* ********* ******
Mike,
I think the 21129 is the second rarest Hudson behind the 326 Hudson with a plug-into-the- tender (like a 21129 with a plastic tender); it has a June 1958 date stamp!
I've seen 4 of them in 35 years.
Robert
P.S. The 293 plug (like a 21099) was made in April 1958 & the 343 plug (like a 21145) was made in May 1958. Neither are close to the rarity of the 326; the 293 is rarer than the 343. The 336 & 313 were never made like that

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60484 From: Paul Breault Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: updated electronics
Thank you all so much for your thoughtful input on this subject. As I expected, the answers varied with the people who responded based on their own priorities. I guess that is why we're called "individuals".

All of the answers made sense to me depending on the priorities of the respondent. Where I land on the issue after considering everyone's responses is, if I'm happier with the improved performance on an engine that's been giving me grief, I'll update it. As many of you have pointed out , these trains are ours to enjoy while we are here so that's exactly what I'm going to do. While I have some semi-rare/expensive engines , I'm an operator. If I were a buyer and a seller, I would probably never willfully violate a collectable and do myself economic damage. (Would I put a 2010 corvette engine in a 1967 Mercedes roadster, for example ? I think not! )

So, at any rate, I thank you all for your useful input.

Paul B.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60485 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: DCC items
I will be uploading pictures of converted DCC AF items now.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60486 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: Updated electronics
Tim,

Sure, I can do that.

I have a AF Hudson, a AF Lionel Diesel, two action box cars, one is a Original Gilbert one, no real value, VG+, common, a repro, Erie by AF of L, a AF of L Lumber car, and a Log car, AF of L.

I have a AF of L that I will be sending to Steve soon.

Not much to see, except on the Hudson all the wire from the Tender to the engine and on the Lumber Car, I can take pictures of the under side where the electronics are.

Mike
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From: Big, Bad Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Updated electronics





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> Anytime you do something to a collectable, you effect the value downward.
>

Hi Michael,

Say, do you happen to have any pics of the AF you have converted? Would you be so kind as to please upload them into the "photos" section? I love seeing pics of other people's handiwork. I think we all do. I don't really convert anything, but here are some pics of my trains:

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#

Here is a link to some videos I have uploaded to uTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/PATimboy

Take care,

-Big, Bad Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60487 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: DCC Photos
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/124401128/pic/1410173537/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Okay, I uploaded some photos of some AF and Lionel AF I had Steve of SnS, do I get any commissions for leads, Steve?, lol, do the work.

Sorry that the pictures got out of order when uploaded.

First was the repro Lumber car, no third rail and they work anywhere on the layout. You see the underside with the DCC things.

Next is the Log Dump car.

I have two action box cars, only one picture of the 973. Note on action box cars. The light will stay on all the time, so you have to get a cooler bulb, in my opinion to protect against the box car plastic melting. I think I went to a 24 v bulb and no problems.

The engine as you can paint the wires if you want, between the tender and engine.

I got this engine in 1993 for 150.00 as it was a mess. Someone put silver paint trim all over this engine including the tender which is plastic, the ladders, windows, trucks, things on the top from back to front, had this trim on it. No steps on the tender as I got repros. I touched it up with Kylon Semi Flat black paint and I had Doug Peck do some work on it before the conversion and he never notice the touch up paint!

DCC is great, takes time to get used to it, but I have no issues with it. Every one has there own likes and dislikes and that is completely understandable.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60488 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: DCC Photos
Hi Michael,

From looking at your pics vs. mine, it's quite apparent that we have two distinct styles of building a toy train layout. To me, your's is more of a "party dress" kinda layout - cute and pretty and everything just so. Mine is more of a "farmer's overalls" style - kinda rough-cut with lots of dirt and a bit thread-bare. To each their own. As Bruce Manson once pointed out, "It's an individual's hobby, so you can do what you want.". Anyway, looking forward to some videos on uTube from you. As I do more work on mine, I'll post some as well.

Regards,
Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60489 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: 326 plug in tender?
Tim,

You are quite welcome, but other than making a track plan with some ideas in place, I had lots of empty spaces on the layout trying to think what to do with them.

I actually got ideas from many on this list, including Linda. Linda gave me the idea for the apple orchard, Gene C. gave me the idea for the gas depot where the Mobil tanks are, I got the idea of the American Flag Company from Don Thompson. There are many things on the layout that where given to me. The painted Plasticville barn was from Cheryl Bishop, Grant's wife, a blinking stop light at the piggy back unloader, was given to me by Bill Trappen, a O gauger from the TCA list, Cat Stevens and Che not seen in any pictures,maybe a few, are from Grant and Steve Eastman, TCA list, Mike and Linda's Lobster truck was done by the Late Don Brimmer of Maine, a O TCA member. Other things came to me as I went along. The street lights are HO Life Like no longer made, Ebay.

Good idea about video, but I do not own a video camera at this time. Someday.

All the conversion where done by world famous, SnS Trains, as I have one more car going out to Steve, a auto unloader. I am deadly with this stuff. LOL

Thanks Tim.

Mike
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From: Big, Bad Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 326 plug in tender?





Michael,

Thanks for sending me a link to your layout pics in the "photo" section! That looks pretty. You obviously took much thought and care to setting those scenic elements out. I'm thinking that maybe your original inspiration was a mid-west home town, because the layout is perfectly flat? I think you should take some short videos and post them on uTube so we can see it in action.

Also, thanks for uploading some pics of your AF conversions to the "photo" section. Nice! You must know your way around a soldering iron and air brush quite well! Keep up the good work!

Regards,
Big, Bad Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60490 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2010
Subject: Re: DCC Photos
Tim,
Yes, I know, as I don't know how to make it look more rough without messing it up. LOL

I like your Bird.... Mountain.

Mike
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From: Big, Bad Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DCC Photos





Hi Michael,

From looking at your pics vs. mine, it's quite apparent that we have two distinct styles of building a toy train layout. To me, your's is more of a "party dress" kinda layout - cute and pretty and everything just so. Mine is more of a "farmer's overalls" style - kinda rough-cut with lots of dirt and a bit thread-bare. To each their own. As Bruce Manson once pointed out, "It's an individual's hobby, so you can do what you want.". Anyway, looking forward to some videos on uTube from you. As I do more work on mine, I'll post some as well.

Regards,
Big, Bad Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60491 From: Big, Bad Timboy Date: 5/14/2010
Subject: Re: DCC Photos
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Yes, I know, as I don't know how to make it look more rough without messing it up. LOL
>
> I like your Bird.... Mountain.
>

Mike,
Thanks. I do too and from the look of it, it's accurately named! Actually, I like Norman Bates Mountain, as see here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#5469249706609276338

I'm tempted to tear the whole layout down to the floor and start over again, even though it's taken me 5 years to build. It's a 12X32 layout in a 20X40 dedicated train room. I'm thinking of making a 3 foot wide shelf around the perimeter of the room with a 6 foot dog bone at either end. That would enable me to walk into the room without ducking under anything, then walk into the layout itself. I could have towns and industries all along the length of the layout. It would also be a lot easier for me to maintain in the long run as I get older without having to either crawl over it or remove any access hatches.

Does anyone have any thoughts on a perimeter shelf layout done in vintage Flyer?

If you haven't already seen either videos of the existing layout or pics of it, here are the links:

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos

http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#



Thanks,
Big, Bad Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60492 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: New Photos
We continue to make new custom painted Christmas cars. We have now added a North Pole branch line to our North Pole Express. So far it has one engine, a Baldwin and a caboose. You can find these photos in the album Wayne's Christmas trains. I have also added a photo of a Lionel Christmas chase gondola that Nick converted to S gauge for me using Lionel S gauge electrical pickup trucks. If enough are interested, I will make a movie of this operating and put it on Youtube.

In a new album titled Waynes funny cars, we have also added a new category of custom cars: Funny cars. So far we have a Turtle Express Agency car that celebrates my wife's nickname. Look at the closeup of the logo and the slogan: "we get it there - eventually". There is a Sunnyside up egg reefer, check the slogan there also, an auto rack car for Toyotas, (that will be dated soon, it uses a Marx 3/16 O gauge auto car), a dehyrated water tank car, a flactulene tank car (I got the idea for that from someone else on this list), a Beltway Statemen fertilizer car (full of BS) and an empty car of honest politicians. I have one other really funny car which I cannot show here. That idea I stole from the Marx tin group.

Let me know if you have any other funny ideas.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 60493 From: Timboy Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Possible new layout
Guys: Those of you who have seen pics or videos of my train layout may be surprised to learn that I am actually thinking about tearing down the 12X32 layout that took me the past 5 years to build. Since it is housed in a 20X40 dedicated train room, I am thinking about building a 3-foot perimeter shelf layout with a 6-foot dog bone at either end. That would enable me to walk into the room without ducking under anything and walk into the layout itself. I've always been very agile, but I am concerned that as I grow older, it will become difficult for me to crawl over my present layout or access the pop-up hatches I built to do more building or maintenance on the interior of the layout. I've also come to realize that I have to keep any meaningful accessories at the edges of this present layout to use them. That is very limiting. It seems to me that with the length of running track I could have on a perimeter layout in that sized room, I could have towns and industries located all around where I can conveniently access them with "the big hand in the sky" as needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on a shelf layout for a pure vintage AF layout run in analog mode? In case you haven't seen pics or videos of my layout, here are the links:

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zla01oWezE

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60494 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Hey There Timboy,

There are few things more exciting than the prospect of tearing down an
existing layout to make a new one. I like your layout as pictured in the
photos and video. However, I can assure you your next one will be at
least as good because the common factor is you. This time you'll have
more experience and more skill.

I also applaud your concepts of no duckunders, minimal pop ups and
plenty of edges. I expect you will have more fun playing with the new
plan and showing it off to grandkids and other interested parties.

Of course, there is only one vote on this matter and you have it. Have
fun and please share your progress with us.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 12:16 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Possible new layout

Guys: Those of you who have seen pics or videos of my train layout may
be surprised to learn that I am actually thinking about tearing down the
12X32 layout that took me the past 5 years to build. Since it is housed
in a 20X40 dedicated train room, I am thinking about building a 3-foot
perimeter shelf layout with a 6-foot dog bone at either end. That would
enable me to walk into the room without ducking under anything and walk
into the layout itself. I've always been very agile, but I am concerned
that as I grow older, it will become difficult for me to crawl over my
present layout or access the pop-up hatches I built to do more building
or maintenance on the interior of the layout. I've also come to realize
that I have to keep any meaningful accessories at the edges of this
present layout to use them. That is very limiting. It seems to me that
with the length of running track I could have on a perimeter layout in
that sized room, I could have towns and industries located all around
where I can conveniently access them with "the big hand in the sky" as
needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on a shelf layout for a pure
vintage AF layout run in analog mode? In case you haven't seen pics or
videos of my layout, here are the links:

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTr
ainLayout#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zla01oWezE

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60495 From: George Cohn Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
On 5/15/2010 9:15 AM, Timboy wrote:
>
>
> Guys: Those of you who have seen pics or videos of my train layout may
> be surprised to learn that I am actually thinking about tearing down the
> 12X32 layout that took me the past 5 years to build.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zla01oWezE

I still love to see all that vintage '50's stuff run like the day it was
made. Sure, it may not be 100% accurate but is sure does look nice running!

Great job! Wish I had that kind of room.

George Cohn
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60497 From: The Reardon's Date: 5/15/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Hey,
I hear what you say about getting old and not wanting to deal with "duck unders". I took another approach and have a lift out, two track American Flyer bridge where I enter the room. I've indexed it with a small stud on each end where it sits on the layout table, And, I have a standard automotive trailer plug (4 terminal, flat type) to disconnect the power supply. This powers each track separately, lights the light on the bridge, and provides a common neutral. I too am operating in AC analog with block controls. (Original Flyer transformers).

This system allows me to lift the bridge and set it aside whenever I leave the room, and just set it back in place when inside. Just some thoughts to consider (instead of a total rebuild).

But, if you are looking forward to the rebuild fun....Never Mind....

Pat, in Maine
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From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Possible new layout



On 5/15/2010 9:15 AM, Timboy wrote:
>
>
> Guys: Those of you who have seen pics or videos of my train layout may
> be surprised to learn that I am actually thinking about tearing down the
> 12X32 layout that took me the past 5 years to build.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zla01oWezE

I still love to see all that vintage '50's stuff run like the day it was
made. Sure, it may not be 100% accurate but is sure does look nice running!

Great job! Wish I had that kind of room.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60498 From: Timboy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Hi Guys: Thanks for all the suggestions and positive reinforcements! I did a track plan and it looks very promising. I have the room to make elevation changes to the upper and back down to the lower levels on a 2% grade. Something I noticed right away on the track plan is that when I make a complete circuit on each level of elevation before changing elevation, there will be many places where it looks like I double-tracked the mainline, with a train seemingly going one way on one track while another is seemingly going the other direction on another adjacent section of track. Cool! Also, while it looks like a lot of track on paper, half of it is separated by at about 8 inches of elevation. I think it will be okay to widen the 3-foot shelf to 3'6" to give more scenic wiggle room, noting that the back will be all scenery, so once I do all the stretching to get it built back there, when it's done - it's done. This will be my 7th build and the first when I will use "L" girder construction to give a true 3D scenic appearance, with scenic elements above, level AND below the track. Also cool! I may as well plan to build it in 6-foot long "modules" in case I decide to move someday. I won't necessarily adhere to NASG standards because the layout will be unique anyway. I'll use vintage track rails, stripped of their metal ties and hand-spiked back down to wooden ties about the size of Pikemaster ties, rebending rails as needed. I'll build my own turnouts using a closed-frog concept with manual throws of my own design. Why not just use a modern track/turnout system? I want everything to be built using vintage toy train Flyer materials in a way that I COULD have done back in the 50's if I had been smart enough and skilled enough. No modern electronics. All motive power and rolling stock to be unmodified vintage. I estimate 12 blocks; each powered by an 8B transformer. The base post wire will be unbroken and connect all base posts on all transformers with all base post rails. The block control will be done by individual transformers, where the variable post rails have insulated gaps between blocks/transformers. It's an old concept that has been done many times before, but maybe this will be the last time it is done on this size of a layout. Each transformer will be located at it's own block, where there will be an industry or town. All throttles remain set to precise running speed. When I want to stop a train at a destination, I will walk over to that destination and wait for the train to enter that block. Then I will throttle it down, do whatever action is necessary at that point (loading barrels, dropping off packages, picking up cattle or people, etc.) and throttle it back up and pass it off to the next block and so on down the line. Thus, there will not be a central command/control area. All controls will be decentralized to their actual point of use. A freight car forwarding system should make for cool one-man operating sessions. Shuffling the deck will make each op session different. Won't you agree that this Flyer layout will be unique? My timeline is to start the tear-down in August and have bare running track completed by late spring of the following year. Scenery will be done on a vista-by-vista basis. I'll take & posts pics along the way to chronicle the event. WHEW! Keep those suggestions coming! Regards, Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60499 From: A E Johnson Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: New Layout
I have read this will thread with a lot of interest. I have planned to take
half of my garage and enclose it. This will give me an interior space of 10'
X 20'. This is not unlike with timboy has and what he has proposed. My space
is a bit smaller, but otherwise things should be about the same.



Your thought on using two shelves is provocative. That is a thought I did
not have until now and I think it hold real value in my own planning.



Be sure to keep us posted with progress reports.



Bigfoot



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60500 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Greenberg Book
Hi Folks,



I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there
another volume? If so does it cover accessories?



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60501 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
There is a vol. 2 that covers accessories and a vol. 3 that covers sets.

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> Hi Folks,
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> I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there
> another volume? If so does it cover accessories?
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> Bill
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> Reply from Bill Porter
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60502 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Yes, there is two more out of print volumes.

I believe volume 2 was on accessories and other things and volume 3 was on sets.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book



Hi Folks,

I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there
another volume? If so does it cover accessories?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60503 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Volume 2 covers accessories, sets, Lionel Flyer from 1979 - 1991, and Gilbert and Lionel catalogs and manuals.  It also features five articles on Flyer history, the 5-digit numbering system, link coupler era cars, the 800-series cars, and variations.

I don't have volume 3, but I think it offers more extensive coverage of sets than volume 2.


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:

From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 9:31 AM







 









Hi Folks,



I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there

another volume? If so does it cover accessories?



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60504 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Thanks Mike and thanks to acgilbertguy, whoever that is. I appreciate
the info.
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

Yes, there is two more out of print volumes.

I believe volume 2 was on accessories and other things and volume 3 was
on sets.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60505 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Thanks Robert. That is very helpful information.

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Graves
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

Volume 2 covers accessories, sets, Lionel Flyer from 1979 - 1991, and
Gilbert and Lionel catalogs and manuals.  It also features five articles
on Flyer history, the 5-digit numbering system, link coupler era cars,
the 800-series cars, and variations.

I don't have volume 3, but I think it offers more extensive coverage of
sets than volume 2.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60506 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: For Sale: American Flyer boxcars
I am helping several people sell their
collections.  For reference purposes, I show 2010
Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.




Pre-war (S-Scale on O-Gauge trucks) 478
boxcar complete with no rust. Stickers show their age but are in
excellent condition. Only a little dirty. Solid VG $20 according to
Doyle’s book



633 unpainted red boxcar with brass
weight link couplers. Has brake wheel and both door nibs. Small chip
out of one corner of one catwalk; so small I almost missed it. Ex-
$28



639 yellow unpainted boxcar. Dirty body
& wheels.  Perfect lettering on one side, the L partly
scratched off on the other side.  One black-weight link coupler;
the other is missing.  Both catwalk ends have one corner chipped
off.  $8



913 Great Northern boxcar with sticker.
Both catwalk ends and both door nibs are intact. One sticker is
near perfect; the other is complete but messy from adhesive and a
couple of letters are incomplete. No brake wheel. Both knuckle
couplers work. Ex- $39



984 New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk
ends and both door nibs are intact. No brake wheel. VG- $60
984
New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk ends and both door nibs are intact.
No brake wheel. VG $70



9701 The Rock Boxcar.  C-10 mint;
never out of the box. Cellophane window torn. $24 (two of them)



9706 New York Central Boxcar. 
C-10 mint; never out of the box. $80





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60507 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Bill -
 
There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is incomplete. I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over and cancelled the contract. Much of the research is still in my computers. Ask your questions and the group will try to help.

Bill Drake
soggy in St. Louis
 
--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:31 AM


 



Hi Folks,

I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there
another volume? If so does it cover accessories?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60508 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Bill,

You are welcome, as why, ACgilbertguy is a super hero I think. LOL Sorry could not resist that.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book



Thanks Mike and thanks to acgilbertguy, whoever that is. I appreciate
the info.
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

Yes, there is two more out of print volumes.

I believe volume 2 was on accessories and other things and volume 3 was
on sets.

Mike Marmer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60509 From: Timboy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Layout
Thanks to all who have responded both off-list and on-list! Full steam ahead and I will post pics of my progress!

Thanks again,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60510 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
There must be different versions of volume 2.  Mine has 44 pages devoted to accessories.  It's the 1991 edition.


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:

From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:04 PM







 









Bill -

 

There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is incomplete. I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over and cancelled the contract. Much of the research is still in my computers. Ask your questions and the group will try to help.



Bill Drake

soggy in St. Louis

 

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:



From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>

Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:31 AM



 



Hi Folks,



I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there

another volume? If so does it cover accessories?



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60511 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Hi Bill,
I have the Doyle book and it is OK. I also have the older K-Line
collection of instruction sheets. What I was seeking is a comprehensive
collection of information and color photos of the various accessories. I
don't have a specific question. I'm just interested in the history.

Are you familiar with Walt Hiteshew's compendium of information on Marx
tinplate? He has a website
(http://www.toyandtrainguides.com/marxtin.htm) and sells CDs with all of
the information in them. The information is good and the presentation is
excellent. I ask that because, it is possible that you might consider
publishing your information that way.

Thanks,
Bill
Hot and Humid in South Florida

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Drake
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

Bill -
 
There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers
accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is incomplete.
I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over and cancelled
the contract. Much of the research is still in my computers. Ask your
questions and the group will try to help.

Bill Drake
soggy in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains Message: 60512 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/16/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday May 16, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60513 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: For Sale: American Flyer Hoppers
I am helping several people sell their collections.  For reference purposes, I show 2010

Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse!  Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers. Faded lettering
and no steps. Early version with no journal boxes. Normal warping.
$5



632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but no steps. One missing link coupler. Normal warping.
$5



632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but only one step. One missing journal box. Normal
warping. $6



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in reflected
light. One step is broken off. $3



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers and all four
steps. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in
reflected light. $4



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is strong. Half of one step is missing. Will clean to
Ex-. $8



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. Lettering
is fairly strong. No steps are missing. Small chip out of the top
of the rim on one side. Will clean to VG+. $7



A
really dirty 640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; has
been converted to knuckle couplers.  A few small spots of paint
loss.  $6



dirty
640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; both trucks are
rusty and one has missing wheels and coupler. $2



640
hopper with black lettering and black weight link couplers. One step
has its tip broken off. $10



640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. Has
original box that has come unglued and flaps are missing from one
end. Car is in Excellent condition $15



640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10



640
hopper with white lettering and brass weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10



dirty
640 hopper with white lettering. One truck missing. Coupler is
missing on the other truck. Two missing steps and some letters
incomplete $2



640
Wabash hopper with all four steps. A little rust on both trucks,
barely noticeable on one. Lettering is perfect on one side; scrape
through one leg of the H on the other. Body will clean to Ex-. $30



640
Wabash hopper with one broken step. A little discoloration on one
truck, but I don't think it's rust. Lettering is near perfect on
both sides – small scratches in only a few letters – but it is a
bit faded, not a bright as the other car. Body will clean to VG+.
$25



801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, both on one side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect; a couple of little black dots in both
the B and the O are identical on both sides, which tells me they are
flaws in the stamps used to letter the car. Has four weights glued
inside so it's a good candidate for a coal or gravel load (see
below). Will clean to Ex-. $10



801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect. Will clean to Ex-. $10



801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side, and a broken
crossbar. Lettering is unusually bright and thick; may be
relettered. Has some rust colored paint on one side of both trucks.
VG? $8



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex- if not Ex. $33



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. On one
coupler, the spring that opens it is broken; when closed, it holds
just fine – perfectly good for running on a layout. Ex. $32



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. Both couplers are broken. $25



Three
add-in coal loads (black) and two gravel loads (gray) for the above
two-bay hoppers. $3 each

924
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with one broken step; otherwise
strong VG $20



dirty
924 Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with a small ding and one
broken step; otherwise VG $17



24209
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper complete; strong VG $75



24230
Peabody hopper with Pikemaster couplers.  It has three missing
steps but otherwise will clean to VG/Ex.  $25








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60514 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Have you looked at TheGilbertGallery.org?  It has large color pictures of virtually all accessories, and multiple views of some.

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:

From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:24 PM







 









Hi Bill,

I have the Doyle book and it is OK. I also have the older K-Line

collection of instruction sheets. What I was seeking is a comprehensive

collection of information and color photos of the various accessories. I

don't have a specific question. I'm just interested in the history.



Are you familiar with Walt Hiteshew's compendium of information on Marx

tinplate? He has a website

(http://www.toyandtrainguides.com/marxtin.htm) and sells CDs with all of

the information in them. The information is good and the presentation is

excellent. I ask that because, it is possible that you might consider

publishing your information that way.



Thanks,

Bill

Hot and Humid in South Florida



Reply from Bill Porter



-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Bill Drake

Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:04 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book



Bill -

 

There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers

accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is incomplete.

I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over and cancelled

the contract. Much of the research is still in my computers. Ask your

questions and the group will try to help.



Bill Drake

soggy in St. Louis

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60515 From: Brady Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
<< It seems to me that with the length of running track I could have on a perimeter layout in that sized room, I could have towns and industries located all around where I can conveniently access them with "the big hand in the sky" as needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on a shelf layout for a pure vintage AF layout run in analog mode? >>

Timboy

A few random thoughts from a recovering O gauger..

Around-the-wall
Once inside the room you wouldn't be able to see the entire layout, that may allow more unique scenic vistas and make the runs seem longer. Soft of like standing on the inside of a modular, plus the accessories would be within easy reach.

Here's a video example (please ignore that third rail..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3xM8jGHywo

Dog Bone
Consider a lift-out at the door vs. the dog bone. Perhaps something that swings like a dutch door?

Throttles
You may want a conventional walk-around to augment your transformers. All-trol and Dallee used to produce corded AC throttles, you may be able to find them at meets or on eBay. Lionel's CAB-1 with a Powermaster is a pretty good wireless solution. MTH's DCS system supports conventional AC operation with a wireless throttle, but may be a little more involved than it's worth.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60516 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
There are not different versions of vol.II of the three volume set. Now the 3rd edition of the Greenberg guide foe "S" has everything in it, hint, hint.

Harwood





-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book




There must be different versions of volume 2. Mine has 44 pages devoted to accessories. It's the 1991 edition.

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:

From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:04 PM



Bill -



There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is incomplete. I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over and cancelled the contract. Much of the research is still in my computers. Ask your questions and the group will try to help.

Bill Drake

soggy in St. Louis



--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:

From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>

Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:31 AM



Hi Folks,

I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there

another volume? If so does it cover accessories?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60517 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Flyer part needed
I have a very pretty 653 (red) combo shell that has a shot chassis. If
anyone out there has a chassis for one of these I would be most happy to
purchase it.
Steve
SnS Trains.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60518 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Bill -
 
My concept for the book was a combination collectors guide like the Greenberg series but enhanced with detailed wiring instructions for both S and O gauge use along with wiring diagrams and mechanical information for the accessories themselves. I haven't seen the Marx material but it sounds very interesting. I'll check it out.
 
From memory - the chapters were:
 
Lighting and towers
Signals
Freight loaders/unloaders
Passenger accessories
Scenery and Buildings
Bridges, Tunnels and track
Transformers
 
Dealer layout plans, wiring diagrams and inventories.
 
Also to be included - a list of M numbers, Forms, and D numbers (extended to X numbers in the late days before closing).
 
I have moved several times since the research and beginning writing and the materials are scattered among several old computers, disks, file cabinets and more.
 
Tried to include analysis of why Gilbert made engineering changes over time - some technical, some cost related and some seemed for no reason.
 
Also included the prewar Gilbert design accessories and HO accessories like the talking station with analysis of its evolution (the earliest one I have an example of has Erector parts in the player).

The research was a lot of fun and the list of documents is incomplete. It seems that the M numbers applied to trains, Erector, appliances, chemistry sets, microscopes, all of the stuff Gilbert made including the appliance line for Betty Crocker. The numbering got to the 8000's by the last one I found.
 
Bill

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:24 PM


 



Hi Bill,
I have the Doyle book and it is OK. I also have the older K-Line
collection of instruction sheets. What I was seeking is a comprehensive
collection of information and color photos of the various accessories. I
don't have a specific question. I'm just interested in the history.

Are you familiar with Walt Hiteshew's compendium of information on Marx
tinplate? He has a website
(http://www.toyandtrainguides.com/marxtin.htm) and sells CDs with all of
the information in them. The information is good and the presentation is
excellent. I ask that because, it is possible that you might consider
publishing your information that way.

Thanks,
Bill
Hot and Humid in South Florida

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Drake
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

Bill -
 
There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers
accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is incomplete.
I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over and cancelled
the contract. Much of the research is still in my computers. Ask your
questions and the group will try to help.

Bill Drake
soggy in St. Louis











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60519 From: Ray Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Got a 4-4-2 that needs help. It runs. That's all I can say for it.

- some of the connecting rods are not connected. Missing a pin, but its a really flat pin to connect those rods.

- The reversing unit does not appear to work. Train will not reverse direction.

Any recommendations on a repair shop/parts or guidance on what to do next?

Thanks!

Ray

Maineville, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 60520 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
My copy also has pages 92-135 devoted to Accessories. It is also the
1991 edition, first edition, second printing. Bill, What was volume 4
going to cover?

Dale

Robert Graves wrote:
>
>
> There must be different versions of volume 2. Mine has 44 pages
> devoted to accessories. It's the 1991 edition.
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Drake <ee_train@...
> <mailto:ee_train%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> From: Bill Drake <ee_train@... <mailto:ee_train%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:04 PM
>
>
>
> Bill -
>
>
>
> There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers
> accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is
> incomplete. I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over
> and cancelled the contract. Much of the research is still in my
> computers. Ask your questions and the group will try to help.
>
> Bill Drake
>
> soggy in St. Louis
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...
> <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us>> wrote:
>
> From: Bill Porter <wpporter@... <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us>>
>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:31 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there
>
> another volume? If so does it cover accessories?
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60521 From: Timboy Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Hi Brady!

That is a totally awesome video! If you could just get rid of that third rail...

A control system other than a vintage analog system using vintage AC transformers is totally out of the question on my new layout. Been there; done that and I was a leader in the DCC field at the time - long before now-famous others were converting locos and action cars to DCC. On this new layout, everything must be vintage. I will, however, modify vintage track components using skill and other vintage components, but not by using modern technology. I know. I have to use modern plywood, nails, glue, wires, etc. That is super-structure. All above-the-table things have to be what we had back available in the day. I appreciate your thoughts and it's not like I am stuck in the 50's, because in all other ways in my life I am not. I LOVE running vintage Flyer and I want to push the envelope on running it in a more prototypical way, using vintage parts in ways that may or may not have been done before! My premise is that it may not ever be done again and maybe I will be the last one - on the size I am talking about.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60522 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Sorry -
 
You are correct but the volume four was to be accessories only with a great deal of more detail.
 
Bill

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:


From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:21 PM


 



There must be different versions of volume 2.  Mine has 44 pages devoted to accessories.  It's the 1991 edition.

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:

From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:04 PM

 

Bill -

 

There is a volume 2 and a volume 3 - but neither of them covers accessories. The Doyle book has some information but much is incomplete. I was doing book 4 for Greenberg when Kalmbach took over and cancelled the contract. Much of the research is still in my computers. Ask your questions and the group will try to help.

Bill Drake

soggy in St. Louis

 

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:

From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>

Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:31 AM

 

Hi Folks,

I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there

another volume? If so does it cover accessories?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60523 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Ray,

Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby does a great job of repair. They also sell all the parts you would need to do it yourself. check out their website at: http://www.portlines.com/

If you are comfortable holding a screwdriver these engines are really pretty simple to work on. It might cost more in shipping to send the whole engine back and forth than the cost of any replacement parts. Many of the folks on this list (including me) can give you a step by step guidance in repairing the engine. The first thing anyone would need to know is.... what is the number of the engine?

I think you would find a lot of satisfaction in working on the old beast yourself.

Let me know if I can be of further help.

Mark Anderman



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <garbee1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:15:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [S-Trains] I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco






Got a 4-4-2 that needs help. It runs. That's all I can say for it.

- some of the connecting rods are not connected. Missing a pin, but its a really flat pin to connect those rods.

- The reversing unit does not appear to work. Train will not reverse direction.

Any recommendations on a repair shop/parts or guidance on what to do next?

Thanks!

Ray

Maineville, Ohio




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60524 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
�Arlington, Texas
 
Dear Ray,
I would recomend Doug Peck at Portlines hobbies. He has a wealth of info on his website that has helped many. He may even have parts that you need. Check www.portlines.com
for more info.
� Thanks,
Alan Lambert

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Ray <garbee1@...> wrote:


From: Ray <garbee1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 7:15 PM


 



Got a 4-4-2 that needs help. It runs. That's all I can say for it.

- some of the connecting rods are not connected. Missing a pin, but its a really flat pin to connect those rods.

- The reversing unit does not appear to work. Train will not reverse direction.

Any recommendations on a repair shop/parts or guidance on what to do next?

Thanks!

Ray

Maineville, Ohio








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60526 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
TIM..... If you do rebuild and I am thinking about doing it too.... The Dog bone layout will give you the longest track run in a room vs around the wall.... Think about it... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Possible new layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 9:02 PM


 



Hi Brady!

That is a totally awesome video! If you could just get rid of that third rail...

A control system other than a vintage analog system using vintage AC transformers is totally out of the question on my new layout. Been there; done that and I was a leader in the DCC field at the time - long before now-famous others were converting locos and action cars to DCC. On this new layout, everything must be vintage. I will, however, modify vintage track components using skill and other vintage components, but not by using modern technology. I know. I have to use modern plywood, nails, glue, wires, etc. That is super-structure. All above-the-table things have to be what we had back available in the day. I appreciate your thoughts and it's not like I am stuck in the 50's, because in all other ways in my life I am not. I LOVE running vintage Flyer and I want to push the envelope on running it in a more prototypical way, using vintage parts in ways that may or may not have been done before! My premise is that it may not ever be done again and maybe
I will be the last one - on the size I am talking about.

Regards,
Timboy









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Group: S-Trains Message: 60527 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Hi all:
This planned 4th volume sounds really interesting!! I certainly would
have liked to be able to buy a copy. Too bad it is so fragmented at
the present time. Are there any plans to put it all together and issue
a Volume IV???? It certainly is a lot of research and work lost if
there aren't.
regards
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway which is celebrating the 17th of May
today - Norway's 4th of July)

Bill Drake wrote:
>
>
> Bill -
>
> My concept for the book was a combination collectors guide like the
> Greenberg series but enhanced with detailed wiring instructions for
> both S and O gauge use along with wiring diagrams and mechanical
> information for the accessories themselves. I haven't seen the Marx
> material but it sounds very interesting. I'll check it out.
>
> >From memory - the chapters were:
>
> Lighting and towers
> Signals
> Freight loaders/unloaders
> Passenger accessories
> Scenery and Buildings
> Bridges, Tunnels and track
> Transformers
>
> Dealer layout plans, wiring diagrams and inventories.
>
> Also to be included - a list of M numbers, Forms, and D numbers
> (extended to X numbers in the late days before closing).
>
> I have moved several times since the research and beginning writing
> and the materials are scattered among several old computers, disks,
> file cabinets and more.
>
> Tried to include analysis of why Gilbert made engineering changes over
> time - some technical, some cost related and some seemed for no reason.
>
> Also included the prewar Gilbert design accessories and HO accessories
> like the talking station with analysis of its evolution (the earliest
> one I have an example of has Erector parts in the player).
>
> The research was a lot of fun and the list of documents is incomplete.
> It seems that the M numbers applied to trains, Erector, appliances,
> chemistry sets, microscopes, all of the stuff Gilbert made including
> the appliance line for Betty Crocker. The numbering got to the 8000's
> by the last one I found.
>
> Bill
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60528 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
Hi Rich,

I was only kidding as that only came up when Bill asked about your name.

Glad you where at York and I am sorry I did not get to met you. Maybe some day at the Daily Planet.

So, maybe you could be Livingston of Livingston's Gone To Texas? Just kidding again.

It is nice to met others who are on this list and thanks for the compliment on the layout. Last building is done and on the layout. Now I need to finish the landscaping.

I am sorry you never got to met, I think, the person who was the original "Flyer Nut" as that was his license plate as Bob Tufts dies in 2004 at York, sadly. I was lucky to have him sign my TCA application and to have known him. I learn allot from him.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: acgilbertguy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?





Mike,

"acgilbertguy" a super hero? I appreciate the comment. No, I'm just a mild mannered AF train guy in West Texas that never worked for the Daily Planet. But I did report on my American Flyer Certificate of Registry with mail-in Post Card at the "Flyer Nut" Meeting at York in April. I met some of you that post here, Barb, Ben, Harwood and others. I asked Barb if you were there and she said you were not. Sorry that I didn't get to meet you. I have enjoyed your posts about your layout.

Rich Dunlap

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> You are welcome, as why, ACgilbertguy is a super hero I think. LOL Sorry could not resist that.
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Porter
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 3:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
>
>
>
> Thanks Mike and thanks to acgilbertguy, whoever that is. I appreciate
> the info.
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:39 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
>
> Yes, there is two more out of print volumes.
>
> I believe volume 2 was on accessories and other things and volume 3 was
> on sets.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60529 From: Ray Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Mark,

Pulled the loco out of its box and did some checking. Its labeled "300" on the side of the engine with "READING" on the side of the tender. I'm interpreting this to mean its a model of a 4-4-2 Atlantic. On closer inspection, its missing the trailing truck.

Thanks!

Ray

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Manderman@... wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
> Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby does a great job of repair. They also sell all the parts you would need to do it yourself. check out their website at: http://www.portlines.com/
>
> If you are comfortable holding a screwdriver these engines are really pretty simple to work on. It might cost more in shipping to send the whole engine back and forth than the cost of any replacement parts. Many of the folks on this list (including me) can give you a step by step guidance in repairing the engine. The first thing anyone would need to know is.... what is the number of the engine?
>
> I think you would find a lot of satisfaction in working on the old beast yourself.
>
> Let me know if I can be of further help.
>
> Mark Anderman
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray" <garbee1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:15:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [S-Trains] I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Got a 4-4-2 that needs help. It runs. That's all I can say for it.
>
> - some of the connecting rods are not connected. Missing a pin, but its a really flat pin to connect those rods.
>
> - The reversing unit does not appear to work. Train will not reverse direction.
>
> Any recommendations on a repair shop/parts or guidance on what to do next?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ray
>
> Maineville, Ohio
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60530 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
We also repair Flyer--have for the last 20 years. You can contact us
through www.lonestartrains.com.

Clay

> From: Alan Lambert
>   Lone Star Flyer Club
>  Arlington, Texas
>  
> Dear Ray,
> I would recomend Doug Peck at Portlines hobbies. He has a wealth of info
> on his website that has helped many. He may even have parts that you need.
> Check www.portlines.com
> for more info.
>   Thanks,
> Alan Lambert
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Ray <garbee1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ray <garbee1@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 7:15 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Got a 4-4-2 that needs help. It runs. That's all I can say for it.
>
> - some of the connecting rods are not connected. Missing a pin, but its a
> really flat pin to connect those rods.
>
> - The reversing unit does not appear to work. Train will not reverse
> direction.
>
> Any recommendations on a repair shop/parts or guidance on what to do next?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ray
>
> Maineville, Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60531 From: mike jones Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
I would go with Mick Martin. Here is his website www.americanflyerlines.com
Mike J.

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Ray <garbee1@...> wrote:


From: Ray <garbee1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 8:15 PM


 



Got a 4-4-2 that needs help. It runs. That's all I can say for it.

- some of the connecting rods are not connected. Missing a pin, but its a really flat pin to connect those rods.

- The reversing unit does not appear to work. Train will not reverse direction.

Any recommendations on a repair shop/parts or guidance on what to do next?

Thanks!

Ray

Maineville, Ohio











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60532 From: Timboy Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> TIM..... If you do rebuild and I am thinking about doing it too.... The Dog bone layout will give you the longest track run in a room vs around the wall.... Think about it... Bob Conner
>
Hi Bob!

I couldn't agree more. It's edges that I want and lots of them. My track plan will allow for walking into the room unobstructed and walking into and around the layout, with the max amount of edges for hand's on operations without crawling over a table or using a pop-up.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60533 From: Timboy Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
A couple of scans of my new track plan are located here:

http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/

You will need to rotate the top pic (sorry 'bout that) to line up with the dogbone in the other pic. Since drawing up this plan, I've decided to add another 6" on to the 3-foot shelves and another 1 foot in diameter to the dogbones. Since tall scenery will be in the back on the shelves and in the middle of the two dogbones, that shouldn't be a problem.
-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60534 From: Roy Meissner Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Duluth Convention
I will be attending the NASG convention at Duluth. I am looking for someone to share a room with. Contact me off line at rmeissner@....
RoyJ Meissner


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60535 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
Mike,

I too was fortunate to have met Bob Tufts. I started going to York in 1997 when the "Flyer Nut" meeting was known as the "Gilbert Get Together". Bob sure did contribute greatly to the American Flyer Train hobby. I have made York every year since 1997, sometimes both shows in a given year. Lately just the April York. I have followed the S-Trains group for years, just haven't been a participant until this past year.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rich,
>
> I was only kidding as that only came up when Bill asked about your name.
>
> Glad you where at York and I am sorry I did not get to met you. Maybe some day at the Daily Planet.
>
> So, maybe you could be Livingston of Livingston's Gone To Texas? Just kidding again.
>
> It is nice to met others who are on this list and thanks for the compliment on the layout. Last building is done and on the layout. Now I need to finish the landscaping.
>
> I am sorry you never got to met, I think, the person who was the original "Flyer Nut" as that was his license plate as Bob Tufts dies in 2004 at York, sadly. I was lucky to have him sign my TCA application and to have known him. I learn allot from him.
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: acgilbertguy
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:59 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> "acgilbertguy" a super hero? I appreciate the comment. No, I'm just a mild mannered AF train guy in West Texas that never worked for the Daily Planet. But I did report on my American Flyer Certificate of Registry with mail-in Post Card at the "Flyer Nut" Meeting at York in April. I met some of you that post here, Barb, Ben, Harwood and others. I asked Barb if you were there and she said you were not. Sorry that I didn't get to meet you. I have enjoyed your posts about your layout.
>
> Rich Dunlap
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > You are welcome, as why, ACgilbertguy is a super hero I think. LOL Sorry could not resist that.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Porter
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 3:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Mike and thanks to acgilbertguy, whoever that is. I appreciate
> > the info.
> > Bill
> >
> > Reply from Bill Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:39 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
> >
> > Yes, there is two more out of print volumes.
> >
> > I believe volume 2 was on accessories and other things and volume 3 was
> > on sets.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60536 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/17/2010
Subject: Re: "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
Rich,

That is great that you knew Bob.

I learned allot from him including on how to build my shelves!

Hope met you oneday at York.
If you get in town early, hope you might come by, as I am only 90 minutes from York.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: acgilbertguy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?





Mike,

I too was fortunate to have met Bob Tufts. I started going to York in 1997 when the "Flyer Nut" meeting was known as the "Gilbert Get Together". Bob sure did contribute greatly to the American Flyer Train hobby. I have made York every year since 1997, sometimes both shows in a given year. Lately just the April York. I have followed the S-Trains group for years, just haven't been a participant until this past year.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rich,
>
> I was only kidding as that only came up when Bill asked about your name.
>
> Glad you where at York and I am sorry I did not get to met you. Maybe some day at the Daily Planet.
>
> So, maybe you could be Livingston of Livingston's Gone To Texas? Just kidding again.
>
> It is nice to met others who are on this list and thanks for the compliment on the layout. Last building is done and on the layout. Now I need to finish the landscaping.
>
> I am sorry you never got to met, I think, the person who was the original "Flyer Nut" as that was his license plate as Bob Tufts dies in 2004 at York, sadly. I was lucky to have him sign my TCA application and to have known him. I learn allot from him.
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: acgilbertguy
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:59 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] "acgilbertguy", Super Hero?
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> "acgilbertguy" a super hero? I appreciate the comment. No, I'm just a mild mannered AF train guy in West Texas that never worked for the Daily Planet. But I did report on my American Flyer Certificate of Registry with mail-in Post Card at the "Flyer Nut" Meeting at York in April. I met some of you that post here, Barb, Ben, Harwood and others. I asked Barb if you were there and she said you were not. Sorry that I didn't get to meet you. I have enjoyed your posts about your layout.
>
> Rich Dunlap
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > You are welcome, as why, ACgilbertguy is a super hero I think. LOL Sorry could not resist that.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Porter
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 3:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Mike and thanks to acgilbertguy, whoever that is. I appreciate
> > the info.
> > Bill
> >
> > Reply from Bill Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:39 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book
> >
> > Yes, there is two more out of print volumes.
> >
> > I believe volume 2 was on accessories and other things and volume 3 was
> > on sets.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60537 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Timboy

<< A control system other than a vintage analog system using vintage AC
transformers is totally out of the question on my new layout. Been
there; done that and I was a leader in the DCC field at the time...>>

I hear ya. I used to give TMCC demos and clinics, but no more. Command
control is a great solution to a problem - a problem I no longer have.

<< I LOVE running vintage Flyer and I want to push the envelope on
running it in a more prototypical way>>

I like your block/control system, simple and no electronic
fiddle-faddle.

<< That is a totally awesome video! If you could just get rid of that
third rail...>>

The P&W track plan sounds somewhat similar to the one you're working on;
it's a single track mainline with passing sidings that climbs west
(descends east) three times around the room. The tracks are at the same
level at the Horseshoe curve giving the appearance of a four track main(
three mainline tracks and one for the helper to return downgrade).

http://www.pennwestrr.com/

I had the opportunity to visit a couple of times and run a few trains - amazing.
Imagine a Flyer K5 passenger set on that Horseshoe curve..


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60538 From: mikenguy9 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: curved track radius
What is the curve of the new track?

I think K-Line made it but now Lionel does?

and the old was 36" circle. I know it fit on 4 X 8 board.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60539 From: bob_ep5 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Retrofitting Flyonel DC Can Motor into AF PA Power Truck
To All:

Has anyone retrofitted a flyonel DC can motor into a AF PA diesel power truck? If so, did you use the same gears from the AF armature? I see there DC double ended shaft motors come up on ebay. I'm thinking of giving it a shot. What do you think Stumpy?

Regards

Bob Moyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60540 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Ebay 356 Silver Bullet
This ebay item has been sold, but someone made the comment to the seller that the 356 Silver bullet never came in Satin Silver. It does come in Satin Silver but is very uncommon and hard to find,

Harwood

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Silver-Bullet-engine-354-/250630258453?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a5aba3f15



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60541 From: mikenguy9 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: busses
any body see a motor coach from around the 1950's?

preferably with Chicago Motor Coach Company.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60542 From: Timboy Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
I took a moment to upload a couple more pics of my use of black polly fill to Picasa. They show it better. Here are the links:

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#5472593440997122498

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#5472593535090985602

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60543 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Retrofitting Flyonel DC Can Motor into AF PA Power Truck
Can't answer whether that works. However, s n s sells can motors all ready
for installation into AF diesels. Their website is-

http://sns-trains.com/albums/main.php





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60544 From: Timboy Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Brady,
Your railroad is off the chart! I bookmarked your site because it's just too much for my little pee-pee brain to process in one sitting. From looking at your track plan, I think I should get larger graph paper and do it over with a lot more detail. I love your foliage mats. Have you ever considered using black poly-fill? I think it can be used quite nicely. Just stretch it over the area and hit it with the mastic and foams. Here are a couple of pics of my crude attempt to use it that way: http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#5469249706609276338
http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#5441840540420283714

I'll be back.
-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60545 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
SUPER scenery!!
Here is a little tip when it comes to making deciduous trees. Use tree roots. They have a trunk and also scale branches. Simply clean with soap and water. Let dry. Then dip in white clue and roll in ground foam of your color choice. Makes a SUPER TREE with little cost.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Tue, 5/18/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Possible new layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 8:59 AM


 



I took a moment to upload a couple more pics of my use of black polly fill to Picasa. They show it better. Here are the links:

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#5472593440997122498

http://picasaweb.google.com/104450285622085682178/TimSAmericanFlyerToyTrainLayout#5472593535090985602

Regards,
Timboy











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60546 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: curved track radius
If memory serves me right, the original AF curve track is 42" curve (42" circle) and the K-Line/Lional wide radius is 54" curve (54" circle).

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote:
>
>
> What is the curve of the new track?
>
> I think K-Line made it but now Lionel does?
>
> and the old was 36" circle. I know it fit on 4 X 8 board.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60547 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay 356 Silver Bullet
I noted that there is a big discrepancy in value between TM and
Greenberg on this item. Greenberg values the satin silver version at
less than the chrome, but TM lists it at 3 times the value of the chrome
version. Another example of the deficiencies of the Greenberg price
guide? As to this model, it sure went for a lot more than I would pay
for it at $290 and it doesn't look like the satin silver versions I have
seen, though most of those have been 354's. Was the satin finish on the
356 different than that on the 354. Most 354's tend to look like just
ordinary silver paint. This one certainly looked like chrome to me from
the photos. Also, where is the nose decal? If it were a true 356 satin,
it was probably a good buy according to TM, but is it? I would guess
that it is a repaint. The bottom of the chassis even looks like it got a
touch of chrome paint too.

Dale

HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
>
> This ebay item has been sold, but someone made the comment to the
> seller that the 356 Silver bullet never came in Satin Silver. It does
> come in Satin Silver but is very uncommon and hard to find,
>
> Harwood
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Silver-Bullet-engine-354-/250630258453?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a5aba3f15
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Silver-Bullet-engine-354-/250630258453?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a5aba3f15>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60548 From: downtowndeco Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: O Scale manufacturing opportunity.
I am cleaning out my shop and have a couple of O Scale kits I will be selling. You get the molds, masters and rights to reproduce the structures. Contact me off list if you are interested. Thanks much.

Randy Pepprock
Downtown Deco
406-273-0942
downtowndeco@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60549 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Timboy

<<Your railroad is off the chart! >>

It's not mine, it belongs to Bob Bartizek, a regular on the O Gauge
Forum and a really nice guy. I first came across Bob's Pennsylvania &
Western in the late 1990's while stationed in Germany. When we
returned to the states in 2000 I was able to visit, and have been back a
couple of times since.

I took some grainy video three or four few years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTTVf481Bj4

It's tough to refer to the P&W as a "layout" - "railroad" is a better
word. The helper operation is my favorite, 12'-14' coal drags with
decapods at each end..


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60550 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Track Radius - Deja Vu
Hi All,

Here we go again with the age old track radius question. Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it!

From my archived message number 25254 dated April 7, 2003:

Let us refer to "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by
Marshall McClintock. The book states in several places that a circle
of S-gauge track has a diameter of 40 inches, radius of 20 inches.
Figure 19 on page 35 shows a radius of 20 inches - but to where?
Track centerline, outside track centerline, tie outside centerline??
This figure also shows a 3 1/2" roadbed with an outside radius of 20
inches. Assuming you mount the track in the middle of this roadbed,
the centerline track radius would be 18 1/4 inches and the outside
track centerline would be 18 3/4 inches. But measuring a completed
circle of track it appears the outside of tie radius (not outer track
radius) is right on 20 inches. So even McClintock appears to be
inconsistent.

So back to the reference books!

BG1

For even more comments on the track radius question, refer to the
archives in early 2003 to see other group members' comments on the
subject of AF track radius. It does make some very interesting
reading. You can also do a message search for "track radius" to
find all comments regarding this subject.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60551 From: Ray Date: 5/18/2010
Subject: Re: I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
Thanks to all who replied! You've been a great help in defining the options I have available.

Ray

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike jones <civicman_97@...> wrote:
>
> I would go with Mick Martin. Here is his website www.americanflyerlines.com
> Mike J.
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Ray <garbee1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ray <garbee1@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] I need a repair shop for a Flyer loco
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 8:15 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Got a 4-4-2 that needs help. It runs. That's all I can say for it.
>
> - some of the connecting rods are not connected. Missing a pin, but its a really flat pin to connect those rods.
>
> - The reversing unit does not appear to work. Train will not reverse direction.
>
> Any recommendations on a repair shop/parts or guidance on what to do next?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ray
>
> Maineville, Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60552 From: Trains 4 U Date: 5/19/2010
Subject: Re: Retrofitting Flyonel DC Can Motor into AF PA Power Truck
Stumpy get ahold of Steve at SnS in Boise, ID ...no reason to re-invent the wheel ...hey have it alll worked out and ready to go if you contact them or look at their web site
Link: http://sns-trains.com/

Peter Loeb...now in Boise , ID

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60553 From: sscalemn Date: 5/19/2010
Subject: Status of 2010 NASG National Convention Box Car
We have recently been made aware that our convention car (Pullman Standard X-29 style 40 foot box car in CGW paint with reverse Creco doors) will not be available for distribution at the Convention in July.

The production facility in China being used by our supplier for this car (and other S and non-Scale suppliers) has fallen on difficult times and has been missing commitment dates since the first of the year and/or delivering samples with serious quality issues.

The tooling for this car and all of the plans have been sent to an alternative supplier. The most realistic date we have for delivery of the cars will be towards the end of this year. The president of this alternative company will be attending the NMRA in Milwaukee, the week before the NASG National in Duluth and we expect to have a better delivery date to report at the convention.

We sincerely apologize for any issues this delay may cause. We will certainly honor any requests for refund associated with existing convention car orders and assure everyone that all convention car funds will be held in escrow until the cars are delivered. We hope that you will remain patient and wait for delivery of this unique limited run car, not likely to be otherwise available in S Scale for the foreseeable future.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60554 From: Timboy Date: 5/19/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
> I took some grainy video three or four few years ago
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTTVf481Bj4
> Brady Burdge


That video is nice. It shows me some elements of key interest. Thanks for posting the link. It's a keeper.

I have drawn out a more detailed track plan for my new layout. I increased the scale to 1 inch = 1 foot. That enables me to more clearly see details of towns, industries and important scenic vistas. I have it color-coded with an explanation. Here is a link to it:

http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60555 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: 640 Hopper
All

I’ve got a couple of questions, perhaps someone can educate me..

I’ve got 3 # 640 hoppers:

1 is dark gray and has white lettering; the trucks are screwed to the
underside of the body

2 are lighter gray with black lettering; the trucks are attached with
rivets and there’s a weight attached to the underside of each truck

Questions:

Do the differences reflect different production years?

Was the 640 hopper only available in sets?

Thanks!

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60556 From: afjerryk5 Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: '31 Cadillac
Picked up a Johnny Lightning '31 Cadillac roadster at Wally World,for $2.Like most JL cars its a little small for S scale,but should look OK as a background piece.Thought I'd give a heads up as cars for this era are few and far between.
Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 60557 From: charlie and edith Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Transformer Question
Greetings! Have come across a Flyer #8 transformer with 4 binding posts. The fourth post is identified by whistle and 24V. Can not find anything about this transformer in my reference material. What do we have here? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60558 From: rwferr1 Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Track Radius - Deja Vu
Hi Bull and everyone,

When I started on the multi-gauge layout at this link:

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album180

I made masonite templates for the O and O-27 circles (31" and 27" diameters respectively), both measured to the outside of the tie ends. I found it easier to lay out the track alignment by just stringing sections together, so I abandoned the templates. I also got 40" diameter measured across the outside of the tie ends for Flyer track. I started using the dimensions I found online, but decided to use the actual measurements of real track as the ones I could trust even with the wiggle factor due to the imperfect connections at the joints.

Ron Ferrel
Pocatello, Idaho

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here we go again with the age old track radius question. Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it!
>
> From my archived message number 25254 dated April 7, 2003:
>
> Let us refer to "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by
> Marshall McClintock. The book states in several places that a circle
> of S-gauge track has a diameter of 40 inches, radius of 20 inches.
> Figure 19 on page 35 shows a radius of 20 inches - but to where?
> Track centerline, outside track centerline, tie outside centerline??
> This figure also shows a 3 1/2" roadbed with an outside radius of 20
> inches. Assuming you mount the track in the middle of this roadbed,
> the centerline track radius would be 18 1/4 inches and the outside
> track centerline would be 18 3/4 inches. But measuring a completed
> circle of track it appears the outside of tie radius (not outer track
> radius) is right on 20 inches. So even McClintock appears to be
> inconsistent.
>
> So back to the reference books!
>
> BG1
>
> For even more comments on the track radius question, refer to the
> archives in early 2003 to see other group members' comments on the
> subject of AF track radius. It does make some very interesting
> reading. You can also do a message search for "track radius" to
> find all comments regarding this subject.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60559 From: Timboy Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Guys:

Thanks to all for favorable and encouraging comments, both on List and off List. I have decided to "practice" my concept on my present layout to see how it goes. To that end, yesterday I relocated one transformer to a distant corner where I actually need it to stop a train for a log loading operation that I couldn't do from a central command post because I couldn't even see the Log Loader! Seems to work ok. I hid the transformer in a cubby hole and have it set to precise running speed, unless I walk over there and use it as I said above, after the train enters that large block. I'm off to the ballpark today, so this week-end, I'll move another accessory and another transformer to another remote location and see how that goes. If I can de-centralize my present command center with anticipated results, that will pave the way for the new layout. As you may have guessed, I am a huge advocate of experimentation. Pics to follow. -Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60560 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Need Information on Talking Station
This is basic, but can you all provide wiring instructions on setting up a track trip (697?) to get my trains to stop at my Talking Station.  Is the 697 trip the proper one to use on the layout?  Also, what if the train does not stop when the button is activated to the track trip.  What would be the problem.  I know this is elementary, but I'm not electrically astute.  Thanks in advance for any help on this.

Bob  




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60561 From: SMMW Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: New diesels coming from Smoky Mtn.
Based on the successful assembly of the H10-44 a couple days ago and what
I've learned from the 70-tonner and H10, I've decided to launch a line of
much-desired diesels. I've eluded to this in previous months but now that I
have a working gearbox design and NWSL is back in steady production, it's
time to pull the trigger.



The next diesel, #3 in the line, will be a GP38, both high and low nose,
with and without dynamic brakes. Target retail price will be $325 . I am
now accepting 50% deposits for those who want to be first in line. I hope
to have it out late 2010.



Without getting into too much detail, the kits will consist of a
pre-assembled mechanism, cast in black urethane, my own gearbox, NWSL gears,
worms, bearings and U-joint hardware, a flat can motor and SHS wheelsets,
both in scale and AF-compatible flanges. These will be DC only but since
the frame is insulated from the motor, splicing in a decoder between the
trucks and motor would be easy. There are several sources who
custom-install DCC/sound so I'm staying out of that arena (but will supply
my favorite source for those interested). Blomberg sideframes, cast in
grey, will be included but not installed on the gearbox in order to make
painting easier.



The body will be a 1-pc urethane casting made to the lowest common
denominator so parts can be added instead of chopped off and replaced, such
as a d/b blister. The body will fit over the mechanism and mount to the
frame casting with self-tapping screws. Clear urethane window inserts will
be sized to drop in. Separate parts will include injection molded handrail
stanchions, d/b blister, photo-etched fan blades and screens (ala Details
Associates in HO) and a fully illustrated, color instruction booklet on CD.
What will not be included are road-specific details, like horns, bells, drop
steps, speed recorders, etc. These parts are available from BTS and Des
Plaines Hobbies so contact them to see what's in stock and ask them to
restock anything that's missing but will be in demand once this engine hits
the street.



Following the GP38 will be the SD40 or the SD45, my favorite 6-axle engine.
I'm not sure which will be #4; it depends on info that I've gathered and
perceived market potential but either one would be my entry into the 6-wheel
truck world.



Other engines being considered are Alco's RS-series, specifically the RS1
and RS11, the Century series (C420 being the most popular), EMD switchers
(SW1500 with AAR and Flexicoil trucks and the MP15), EMD 4-axle road engines
(GP40) and GE's U-boats (U23B being the most asked for so far but others
will be considered). Just because you don't see your favorite engine on
this list doesn't mean it won't be considered or produced; I just don't have
time to list all possible candidates. You might even find a Phase I and II
GP-7 and a low and high nose GP30 someday . ya never know.



The demand for quality, affordable diesels far outweighs the need for more
freight cars, although I won't ignore that aspect either. I can only
produce so much within a certain amount of time and must focus on the
greatest return on my investment. Given the success of both diesels so far,
it appears that more diesel offerings are forthcoming.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60562 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Retrofitting, HUH?
How did I get involved in diesel questions? I think somebody got confused! I have "Steamized" my operations, having gotten rid of the two road diesels I had.
Diesel fuel costs too much, I burn coal. After all, I can get it locally! A diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it! ;-)
Stumpster from coal country.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60563 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Bob,

Unless you want your train to stop at the talking station EVERY time if
approaches the station, you would want to activate it with a push-button,
not a track trip. In either case you will need to isolate the section of
track (using fiber pins) where you wish the engine to stop. The fiber pins
go in the side of the track connected to the "base" terminal of the
transformer. You then use a #707 track clip on this isolated section of
track and connect it to the WHITE wire coming from the station. When the
talking station is activated, a switch inside the station temporarily
interrupts the "base" connection to the isolated section of track causing
the train to stop while the record is playing.

Other connection from the station: GREEN to the push-button (the other
contact of which is connected to the "base" terminal of the transformer);
BLACK & RED to the "base" post of the transformer, YELLOW to the "15-volt"
terminal of the transformer.

If you do want to use the #697 track trip, you would place it a few track
lengths before the isolated section of track and use its normally-open
contacts instead of the push-button switch.

If you are running DC on your layout you will need to make a different set
of connections. Let me know off-line and I can send them to you. I can
also scan in a drawing of the hookup if that would help.

Jerry Feldman



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Bob Iannacone
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Need Information on Talking Station



This is basic, but can you all provide wiring instructions on setting up a
track trip (697?) to get my trains to stop at my Talking Station. Is the
697 trip the proper one to use on the layout? Also, what if the train does
not stop when the button is activated to the track trip. What would be the
problem. I know this is elementary, but I'm not electrically astute.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60564 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Prewar transformer for the O gauge trains with whistles. bill drake

On Thu May 20th, 2010 10:48 AM CDT charlie and edith wrote:

>Greetings! Have come across a Flyer #8 transformer with 4 binding posts. The fourth post is identified by whistle and 24V. Can not find anything about this transformer in my reference material. What do we have here? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60565 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Window Strip tips?
Has anyone had any luck flattening curled window strips from a 660s car? The ones from my current 662 project are in nice shape (other than the curling) so I would like to save them if possible.

Thanks in advance!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 60566 From: George Cohn Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
On 5/19/2010 7:26 PM, Bob Iannacone wrote:

> This is basic, but can you all provide wiring instructions on setting up
> a track trip (697?) to get my trains to stop at my Talking Station.

The talking station #755 basically had an isolated section of track in
front of it. (Insulating pins on the hot rail at either end of the
section.) There is a cam in the station that provides power to the hot
rail insulated section through the White wire. This allows the train to
run through the isolated section until you press the button.

When you press the button, the motor starts turning, the record plays,
and the cam moves to remove power from the white wire so the train will
stop. Once the record completes, the cam is again in a position to
provide power to the white wire so the train leaves the station.

Normally a track trip wasn't used but you could try it in place of the
push button. Connect it to terminals #1 and #3 and adjust it so just
the weight of the locomotive causes it to activate. Hopefully the loco
will coast off of it as the station starts playing. If it's adjusted so
the cars also activate it, the station may play over and over and the
train will never leave the station!

Here are the connections using a transformer:

White to insulated section of track.
Yellow to 15 volts on transformer.
Red and Black to Base post on transformer.
Green to push button, other side (Black) goes to Base post. (Or #1 and
#3 if you are trying the 697 track trip.)

Interestingly enough, I have been playing with a digital design to do
the same thing using a "chipcorder" chip to store and play the sound and
control the isolated section of track using the "end-of-message" output.

I know, Lionel, makes a station that already does that and some of the
usuals sell a little "chipcorder" based board that plays sound but their
device doesn't control the train.

Besides, I'm an old electronics/computer guy and like playing with
little gadgets like that. ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60567 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 5/20/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
You should point out you cannot use the original Flyer talking
station on DC as iot uses an AC only motor. Alistair
On Fri 21/05/10 6:01 AM , "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@...
sent:
Bob,
Unless you want your train to stop at the talking station EVERY time
if
approaches the station, you would want to activate it with a
push-button,
not a track trip. In either case you will need to isolate the
section of
track (using fiber pins) where you wish the engine to stop. The
fiber pins
go in the side of the track connected to the "base" terminal of the
transformer. You then use a #707 track clip on this isolated section
of
track and connect it to the WHITE wire coming from the station. When
the
talking station is activated, a switch inside the station
temporarily
interrupts the "base" connection to the isolated section of track
causing
the train to stop while the record is playing.
Other connection from the station: GREEN to the push-button (the
other
contact of which is connected to the "base" terminal of the
transformer);
BLACK & RED to the "base" post of the transformer, YELLOW to the
"15-volt"
terminal of the transformer.
If you do want to use the #697 track trip, you would place it a few
track
lengths before the isolated section of track and use its
normally-open
contacts instead of the push-button switch.
If you are running DC on your layout you will need to make a
different set
of connections. Let me know off-line and I can send them to you. I
can
also scan in a drawing of the hookup if that would help.
Jerry Feldman
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[2]]On Behalf
Of Bob Iannacone
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3]
Subject: [S-Trains] Need Information on Talking Station
This is basic, but can you all provide wiring instructions on
setting up a
track trip (697?) to get my trains to stop at my Talking Station. Is
the
697 trip the proper one to use on the layout? Also, what if the
train does
not stop when the button is activated to the track trip. What would
be the
problem. I know this is elementary, but I'm not electrically astute.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60568 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Hi George,

The wiring drawing in both my 1949 and 1952 AF Instructions clearly show the
insulating fiber pins being placed on the "BASE" side of the track, not the
"HOT" side. The written instructions go on to state "Now clip the No. 707
TRACK TERMINAL on the track so that the BASE POST CLIP is connected to the
insulated rail" It also makes sense that it is the "BASE" side that is
switched rather than the "HOT" side because if you were to switch the "HOT"
side of the track you would no longer have any control over the speed of the
train (as there is no connection from the variable output of the transformer
to the station.)

Perhaps Gilbert changed the wiring of the station in later units, but the
station I have matches the wiring as described in my instructions.

Jerry Feldman

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of George Cohn
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need Information on Talking Station



On 5/19/2010 7:26 PM, Bob Iannacone wrote:

> This is basic, but can you all provide wiring instructions on setting up
> a track trip (697?) to get my trains to stop at my Talking Station.

The talking station #755 basically had an isolated section of track in
front of it. (Insulating pins on the hot rail at either end of the
section.) There is a cam in the station that provides power to the hot
rail insulated section through the White wire. This allows the train to
run through the isolated section until you press the button.

When you press the button, the motor starts turning, the record plays,
and the cam moves to remove power from the white wire so the train will
stop. Once the record completes, the cam is again in a position to
provide power to the white wire so the train leaves the station.

Normally a track trip wasn't used but you could try it in place of the
push button. Connect it to terminals #1 and #3 and adjust it so just
the weight of the locomotive causes it to activate. Hopefully the loco
will coast off of it as the station starts playing. If it's adjusted so
the cars also activate it, the station may play over and over and the
train will never leave the station!

Here are the connections using a transformer:

White to insulated section of track.
Yellow to 15 volts on transformer.
Red and Black to Base post on transformer.
Green to push button, other side (Black) goes to Base post. (Or #1 and
#3 if you are trying the 697 track trip.)

Interestingly enough, I have been playing with a digital design to do
the same thing using a "chipcorder" chip to store and play the sound and
control the isolated section of track using the "end-of-message" output.

I know, Lionel, makes a station that already does that and some of the
usuals sell a little "chipcorder" based board that plays sound but their
device doesn't control the train.

Besides, I'm an old electronics/computer guy and like playing with
little gadgets like that. ;-)

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60569 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
 
Dear Tim,
If you go to my clubs website at  www.lonestarflyer.org  and look in the tips section you will find what you are looking for. I hope this helps you. These guys know American Flyer highrail. If you get  s gaugian you saw Bill Clarks home layout, and read his The Roundhouse article in the March/April 2010 isue.
� Thanks,
� Alan Lambert

--- On Thu, 5/20/10, tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> wrote:


From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Window Strip tips?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 8:43 PM


 



Has anyone had any luck flattening curled window strips from a 660s car? The ones from my current 662 project are in nice shape (other than the curling) so I would like to save them if possible.

Thanks in advance!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60570 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Ebay items
I just noticed there are two Lionel/Flyer Hooker 3 dome tank cars on ebay. They look different. One has a black stripe and one does not. How come? The ebay numbers are: 110534249154 and: 380228935674

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 60571 From: George Cohn Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
On 5/20/2010 9:15 PM, Gerald Feldman wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> The wiring drawing in both my 1949 and 1952 AF Instructions clearly show the
> insulating fiber pins being placed on the "BASE" side of the track, not the
> "HOT" side.

Sorry, the instruction sheet I was looking at was actually to hook one
up to Lionel three rail track (Gasp, Shock, Horrors!) and I
misinterpreted what they were saying.

You are of course right in that you want the Base rail isolated.

I love figuring out the innovative ways that AC Gilbert made many of the
old accessories work. It showed a lot of creativity and good old
fashioned Yankee ingenuity.

Nowadays, you just throw a microprocessor at it, write some code and its
no longer something the average tinkerer can repair. I wonder how many
modern toys will still be working 60 years from now?

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60572 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Video (was Window Strip tips?)
<<If you go to my clubs website at www.lonestarflyer.org ...>>

Alan

The reminded me of the video I shot of the clubs layout at the 2006 TCA
National

http://www.virginianrailway.com/files/flyer/video/lone_star_flyer.wmv

Will the club be at the TTOS Convetion in August?


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60573 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Talking Station Wiring
Hi All,

Here we go with this one again - lol. You might remember the trials and tribulations I had trying to get my talking station wired correctly. I finally got it resolved and have posted a video of it in action on YouTube (search for davidtyner1 and you will find it and many other videos of my layout).

Here is a repeat of my message number 58886:

Hi All,

I finally have the talking station working. I press the button and the
mechanism starts. The locomotive pulls into the station and stops. The record plays and the locomotive pulls away and goes back up to speed. All automatic - just push one button to make it all happen.

So what was the problem? There were actually two problems. One is easy to explain - the other not so easy.

First I was measuring the voltage across the track and it was not dropping. After a long discussion at work today the little light bulb went off. The resistor drops the current - not the voltage! So all of the voltage chasing was for naught and only added confusion to the troubleshooting effort.

The second was the "correct" wiring for my station is different from all of the suggestions I received. Here is the wiring that works:

WHITE - to BASE post.

RED - to isolated track section (BASE side of track).

YELLOW - to constant voltage post.

BLACK from station - to BASE post.

GREEN - to button.

BLACK from button - to BASE post.

VARIABLE post is through the non-isolated track.

I can't guaranty this will work for every talking station, but it works for mine and all of the wiring appears to be original.

I'll post a video in the next couple of days so everyone can see and hear it in action!

BG1 - (Chemical engineer - definately not an electrical engineer!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60574 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Hi George,

I suspect very few of today's toys will still be working. If nothing else,
the electronics will be incompatible with whatever systems are in use 100
years from now. Sadder still, it that today's kids don't have or use
imagination as much. When I was young, my mother sewed quite a bit and used
to give my brother and me the empty wooden spools. We would take crayons
and draw different faces on them, and those were our solders, or cowboys or
construction workers, or whatever we needed for whatever game we were
playing. I think I was about eight when my younger brother wanted a rocket
ship so we could go to the moon. I found an old orange crate in the garage
along with some screws, bell wire , batteries, crayons and on old
flashlight. Fifteen minutes later we had our rocket ship, complete with all
the instruments a couple of kids would need on such a voyage. Today's kids
wouldn't settle for anything less than the latest high-resolution
interactive software, an expensive controller or joystick, and a wide-screen
video display. I'm not saying all the extra equipment is not fun, but it
sure kills one's ability to make up stuff by one's self.

Jerry



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of George Cohn
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:41 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need Information on Talking Station



On 5/20/2010 9:15 PM, Gerald Feldman wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> The wiring drawing in both my 1949 and 1952 AF Instructions clearly show
the
> insulating fiber pins being placed on the "BASE" side of the track, not
the
> "HOT" side.

Sorry, the instruction sheet I was looking at was actually to hook one
up to Lionel three rail track (Gasp, Shock, Horrors!) and I
misinterpreted what they were saying.

You are of course right in that you want the Base rail isolated.

I love figuring out the innovative ways that AC Gilbert made many of the
old accessories work. It showed a lot of creativity and good old
fashioned Yankee ingenuity.

Nowadays, you just throw a microprocessor at it, write some code and its
no longer something the average tinkerer can repair. I wonder how many
modern toys will still be working 60 years from now?

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60575 From: fahrwud Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Retrofitting, HUH?
Well, ya know, here's sump'n.......
http://www.zealot.com/files/magazine/apr08/apr08_files/page0007.htm

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> How did I get involved in diesel questions? I think somebody got confused! I have "Steamized" my operations, having gotten rid of the two road diesels I had.
> Diesel fuel costs too much, I burn coal. After all, I can get it locally! A diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it! ;-)
> Stumpster from coal country.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60576 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video (was Window Strip tips?)
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
 
Dear Brady,
Thanks for the vidio. The only shows we are doing now are the Fort Worth,Texas show in Dec. , and  the show  in Plano,Texas in Jan. I wish we had more shows close to home. The shows we do here have only our layout and  Trinity exspresswhich is DC scale and we are AC Highrail. Again thanks for the vidio.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert

--- On Fri, 5/21/10, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:


From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Video (was Window Strip tips?)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 4:31 PM


 



<<If you go to my clubs website at www.lonestarflyer.org ...>>

Alan

The reminded me of the video I shot of the clubs layout at the 2006 TCA
National

http://www.virginianrailway.com/files/flyer/video/lone_star_flyer.wmv

Will the club be at the TTOS Convetion in August?

Brady Burdge








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60577 From: Timboy Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> Hi George,
>
> I suspect very few of today's toys will still be working. If nothing else,
> the electronics will be incompatible with whatever systems are in use 100
> years from now.

Hi,

Only a fool would try to predict the future. Live in the moment - like a dog. Why does a dog lick... Because he can. Love my Flyer trains - even if they are the 8-tracks of tomorrow (guess what - they already are). Why do I love my Flyer trains? Because I can. In the future, I predict that... -Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60578 From: George Cohn Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
On 5/21/2010 11:35 AM, Gerald Feldman wrote:
> Sadder still, it that today's kids don't have or use
> imagination as much. When I was young, my mother sewed quite a bit and used
> to give my brother and me the empty wooden spools.

Yep, and we used to ride bicycles and play with wagons and build
coasters out of 2 X 4's and whatever wheels we could scrounge up.

The American Flyer trains were the ultimate toy as everything was
already built and all we had to do was plug track sections together and
figure out those obscure wiring directions.

The Erector sets actually required us to think as they only suggested
what toys we could build out of those hundreds of little metal pieces
and screws.

I'm afraid that when the "baby boomer" generation finally makes it's
last exit stage right, the following generations won't have a clue about
what we did for fun.

George Cohn
'70 OTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 60579 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Talking Station Wiring
Hi,

Yes, I was thinking the same thing - here we go again.

For those who may want to follow Gilbert's original instructions for the
talking station, I have downloaded three scans from the pages from the 1949
instruction book to the "Photos" section. They are in the "2010 JerryF"
folder.

Mr.. bull_gator_1's instructions may work equally well, as it appears that
only the connections for the RED and the WHITE wires are swapped. This
would not present any problem if the cam-operated switch is simply
interrupting the connection between these two wires. (It would be
interesting to see where these wires actually connect on the switch.)

Jerry


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:35 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Talking Station Wiring



Hi All,

Here we go with this one again - lol. You might remember the trials and
tribulations I had trying to get my talking station wired correctly. I
finally got it resolved and have posted a video of it in action on YouTube
(search for davidtyner1 and you will find it and many other videos of my
layout).

Here is a repeat of my message number 58886:

Hi All,

I finally have the talking station working. I press the button and the
mechanism starts. The locomotive pulls into the station and stops. The
record plays and the locomotive pulls away and goes back up to speed. All
automatic - just push one button to make it all happen.

So what was the problem? There were actually two problems. One is easy to
explain - the other not so easy.

First I was measuring the voltage across the track and it was not
dropping. After a long discussion at work today the little light bulb went
off. The resistor drops the current - not the voltage! So all of the voltage
chasing was for naught and only added confusion to the troubleshooting
effort.

The second was the "correct" wiring for my station is different from all
of the suggestions I received. Here is the wiring that works:

WHITE - to BASE post.

RED - to isolated track section (BASE side of track).

YELLOW - to constant voltage post.

BLACK from station - to BASE post.

GREEN - to button.

BLACK from button - to BASE post.

VARIABLE post is through the non-isolated track.

I can't guaranty this will work for every talking station, but it works
for mine and all of the wiring appears to be original.

I'll post a video in the next couple of days so everyone can see and hear
it in action!

BG1 - (Chemical engineer - definately not an electrical engineer!)






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Group: S-Trains Message: 60580 From: Alan Lambert Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
 
Dear George,
I know the feeling too. I still have my  Flyer train from 1953, and my Erector set minusa few nuts and screws that are replaceable. I just got a barrel loader and a mystic talking station with blue roof. The young-uns now have play stations with all sorts of vidio games. I also have American Models and S-Helper  trains to play with. In my third childhood at 59 and still going.
� Thanks,
� Ala Lambert

--- On Fri, 5/21/10, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:


From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need Information on Talking Station
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:41 PM


 



On 5/21/2010 11:35 AM, Gerald Feldman wrote:
> Sadder still, it that today's kids don't have or use
> imagination as much. When I was young, my mother sewed quite a bit and used
> to give my brother and me the empty wooden spools.

Yep, and we used to ride bicycles and play with wagons and build
coasters out of 2 X 4's and whatever wheels we could scrounge up.

The American Flyer trains were the ultimate toy as everything was
already built and all we had to do was plug track sections together and
figure out those obscure wiring directions.

The Erector sets actually required us to think as they only suggested
what toys we could build out of those hundreds of little metal pieces
and screws.

I'm afraid that when the "baby boomer" generation finally makes it's
last exit stage right, the following generations won't have a clue about
what we did for fun.

George Cohn
'70 OTS







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60581 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
George,

I may be stoned to death for saying this on the S-trains page, but my
Erector Sets were really more fun than the AF trains f(or the reason you
stated). Of course, even more fun was to build stuff with the Erector for
use with the train. BTW, I still have the Erector sets and the AF trains,
though I don't seem to play with them as much as I did 55 years ago.

Jerry


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of George Cohn
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need Information on Talking Station



On 5/21/2010 11:35 AM, Gerald Feldman wrote:
> Sadder still, it that today's kids don't have or use
> imagination as much. When I was young, my mother sewed quite a bit and
used
> to give my brother and me the empty wooden spools.

Yep, and we used to ride bicycles and play with wagons and build
coasters out of 2 X 4's and whatever wheels we could scrounge up.

The American Flyer trains were the ultimate toy as everything was
already built and all we had to do was plug track sections together and
figure out those obscure wiring directions.

The Erector sets actually required us to think as they only suggested
what toys we could build out of those hundreds of little metal pieces
and screws.

I'm afraid that when the "baby boomer" generation finally makes it's
last exit stage right, the following generations won't have a clue about
what we did for fun.

George Cohn
'70 OTS





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60582 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Retrofitting, HUH?
AAaarrrrggghhhhhhh! That's a horrible looking machine! I'd definately have to question it's parentage!
I've heard a lot about "you got chocolate in my peanut butter" but a Stiesel is the dark side of such combinations.....;-)
Stumpy Stone...steamed in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60583 From: charlie and edith Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Greetings! Tim, I cut strips, from overhead transparency material, to fit into the track. I think it took two strips to fill the depth of the track. This forced the "people" up against the side of the car and flattened out the curls. It took a bit of experimenting to get the correct thickness but has held up well. The strips can be cut long enough to go to the ends of the car as my people strip was a bit short in length. Hope this helps! Best wishes, Charlie in W MI ----- Original Message -----
From: tbennerohio
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Window Strip tips?



Has anyone had any luck flattening curled window strips from a 660s car? The ones from my current 662 project are in nice shape (other than the curling) so I would like to save them if possible.

Thanks in advance!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60584 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Thanks for the ideas!

I had given some thought to 'pressing' the strips with an iron of some sort, with some hesitation. It was heartening to see the results of someone else doing it successfully.

I'll try Charlie's idea first as it involves no heat. I always save the clear plastic strips from the collar packaging on new dress shirts so there is plenty of backing material on hand. It is great window material.

Maybe this 662 will see the rails yet this weekend!

Thanks again.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings! Tim, I cut strips, from overhead transparency material, to fit into the track. I think it took two strips to fill the depth of the track. This forced the "people" up against the side of the car and flattened out the curls. It took a bit of experimenting to get the correct thickness but has held up well. The strips can be cut long enough to go to the ends of the car as my people strip was a bit short in length. Hope this helps! Best wishes, Charlie in W MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 60585 From: A E Johnson Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Hoppers for sale
A couple of weeks ago someone on this panel had several hoppers for sale. If
they are still for sale, please contact me off line at
bigfoot@....



A. E. Johnson



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60586 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/23/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60587 From: Timboy Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Here is a link to a pic that shows my solution to a difficult problem. I didn't want to build a shelf underneath for this transformer as that would make it awkward to use. I didn't want to build a shelf on the side of the layout as that would be in-the-way. I didn't simply want to plunk it down where it is as that would be too obtrusive. Least worse idea was to recess it. It controls a large block on this mainline and is located where I can use it to control the loco for the Hazardous waste Barrel Loader. It had to be thus because I can not see this site from the conventional central command center on the other side of the layout.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_o71pFUaGqu8/S_lDsjEZlAI/AAAAAAAAAW4/eb1uLxK6z7Y/s512/P1000655.JPG
Group: S-Trains Message: 60588 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
Results;
Using the clear plastic strips to hold the wondow strips in place worked out pretty well. The original strips are nice and tight against the window openings. But the original strips are too yellowed to match the other cars in the set so I'll get a new set with my next parts order.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 60589 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
That is a cool idea, Timboy. At least you and I like it.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 11:16 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Possible new layout

Here is a link to a pic that shows my solution to a difficult problem. I
didn't want to build a shelf underneath for this transformer as that
would make it awkward to use. I didn't want to build a shelf on the side
of the layout as that would be in-the-way. I didn't simply want to plunk
it down where it is as that would be too obtrusive. Least worse idea was
to recess it. It controls a large block on this mainline and is located
where I can use it to control the loco for the Hazardous waste Barrel
Loader. It had to be thus because I can not see this site from the
conventional central command center on the other side of the layout.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_o71pFUaGqu8/S_lDsjEZlAI/AAAAAAAAAW4/eb1uLxK6z7Y/s5
12/P1000655.JPG
Group: S-Trains Message: 60590 From: Timboy Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> That is a cool idea, Timboy. At least you and I like it.
>
> Bill

Thanks, Bill. You've no doubt seen the "Mr. Miniature Train Modeler" short on YouTube by now. If not, I have a link to it in my blog. Just open up May's posts there. I also re-did a couple pop songs to dis on various gauges, including S. You might find them mildly amusing. Here is that link:

http://bigbadtimboy.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60591 From: grant bishop Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Need Information on Talking Station
Just picked up a Union Station talker and I assumed it's wired the same as
my other talker

Anyone know of any differences in wiring or the mechanicism?



Grant Bishop

1085 Page St

San Francisco, CA 94117

H (415) 626-9315

C (415) 513-3743

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60592 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Window Strip tips?
I have used a wet towel with an iron and it worked great. It does not take much steam from the wet towel to flatten the strips.



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: tim.benner@...
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 14:43:10 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Window Strip tips?





Thanks for the ideas!

I had given some thought to 'pressing' the strips with an iron of some sort, with some hesitation. It was heartening to see the results of someone else doing it successfully.

I'll try Charlie's idea first as it involves no heat. I always save the clear plastic strips from the collar packaging on new dress shirts so there is plenty of backing material on hand. It is great window material.

Maybe this 662 will see the rails yet this weekend!

Thanks again.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings! Tim, I cut strips, from overhead transparency material, to fit into the track. I think it took two strips to fill the depth of the track. This forced the "people" up against the side of the car and flattened out the curls. It took a bit of experimenting to get the correct thickness but has held up well. The strips can be cut long enough to go to the ends of the car as my people strip was a bit short in length. Hope this helps! Best wishes, Charlie in W MI





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60593 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/23/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60594 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
Bill Porter wrote:
>
>
> That is a cool idea, Timboy. At least you and I like it.
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
Although it might be a cool idea, how much heat has to be dissipated
when the transformer is in use? Will this help overheat it?
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60595 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: This week at SHS…
This week at SHS…

I guess the important news is in 2 weeks we will be hosting our annual
Open House. It will be held at our facility on Friday, June 4th and
Saturday, June 5th! The hours on Friday will be from 10 am until 5
pm and on Saturday from 11 am until 5 pm. As usual, we will be
offering some great specials! Robin will be running the famous scratch
& dent sale, Don will be on hand to answer questions, Bill will be
giving advice on engine maintenance, and Mike will be manning the
barbecue grill. Please make plans to attend one or both days to meet
the SHS crew, find some bargains, and enjoy delicious food. It is a
free and fun day out! We even erect tents in case of rain. On Friday,
Jay Soberman will give a prototype lecture on NYC's Penn Station.
Jay's clinics are always interesting and amusing. Directions can be
found on our home page.

The last few weeks, Bill Clark posted a sample sale. These are
painted, operating or display samples that are now surplus. Many of
these are one of a kind items. They can be found at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/SampleSale3.html

On Wednesday, our new shipment of freight cars arrived. This included
composite and USRA two bay open top hoppers… For the USRA we are
offering B&O (large letter scheme), Reading (new numbers) and another
run of Waddells (I think this will be the 4th run).

For the composite, new numbers for the AT&SF, C&O, CB&Q, PRR and LV



Advance orders have been shipped, if you haven’t already ordered your
cars (some are already in short supply), you can do so at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers_in_stock.html



http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html



So far the best sellers are the Waddell (no surprise here) and the new
B&O scheme. For the composite, we are selling a surprising number of
AT&SF.



Next container….

We expect a shipment from our builder to leave in the next few weeks.
It includes

next run of Rebuilt boxcars….



http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html



And a new number for our Baby Ruth Reefer….



http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html



It is not too late to reserve the Nickel Plate Road or the #02220 GN
#4 rebuilt boxcars. Both numbers of the SAL Orange Blossom Special
and GN #3 are now sold out. You can contact our dealers once they are
in delivered. We still have a few Baby Ruth #2 reefers available.
These would have been sold out, but we were able to increase the order
after our last Update was mailed.

The 2010 Christmas Car is going quickly with over 90% reserved. This
is the fastest these have been reserved. We are still taking
reservations of $15 for these cars. The car is a D&H blue and yellow
Bethlehem Steel two bay open top hopper. We have not made a final
decision on the load. The prototype was used to haul recycled glass
and we are trying to procure this type of load.. If you reserve your
car now with a deposit, this will lock in the current price. You can
order as well as see an image of the decorations of this car on our
home page at:



http://www.showcaseline.com/



Back in Stock items….

We are hoping that the #00259 20” radius 30˚ curved track, #00255
feeder wires and #00468 lighted bumper are completed next week with
the reefer and rebuilt boxcars. We will let you know once the
container is ready to ship.



I hope to see everyone that can make it to our Annual Open House.
Although not required, Robin would like an RSVP…



Don



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60596 From: Timboy Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Possible new layout
> Although it might be a cool idea, how much heat has to be dissipated
> when the transformer is in use? Will this help overheat it?
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>

Good question, Rance! This transformer is one in four, since there are four blocks on that particular mainline. The loco will only be in this block momentarily on most occasions. When it gets passed off to the next block, powered by another 8B transformer, there will be no load on this one. The only time there will be a longer load on it is when the train is stopped at the Oil Drum loader. But then it will be parked in neutral a minute or so. There is also air space around the transformer underneath. Time will tell, but I think this will be okay. If I feel it getting warm, I can always put a small cooling fan on it under the table.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60597 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Hi All,

I now have the entire NTTM work train with all pieces new-in-box. I was going to open all the boxes tonight and set up the train and post a video. So I very carefully opened the first box, removed the car in it's plastic case, opened the case and one truck fell apart. I stopped at that point and decided to cut my losses for the time being.

The truck was easy enough to reassembly due to the loose fit of the side frame, but how do you re-assemble the truck so it will stay together?

Thanks in advance for all suggestions!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60598 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
BULL.... Glad you found the tanker..... How about SUPER GLUE? ..... I had a Blueprint machine in my office and for some reason the Motor shaft came loose..... I tried that stupid idea and the machine went on for many years!!!!!!! Bob

--- On Sun, 5/23/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 9:06 PM


 



Hi All,

I now have the entire NTTM work train with all pieces new-in-box. I was going to open all the boxes tonight and set up the train and post a video. So I very carefully opened the first box, removed the car in it's plastic case, opened the case and one truck fell apart. I stopped at that point and decided to cut my losses for the time being.

The truck was easy enough to reassembly due to the loose fit of the side frame, but how do you re-assemble the truck so it will stay together?

Thanks in advance for all suggestions!

BG1








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60599 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Bull,

Great that you found the car.

As for the truck, I had a truck fall apart on a Lionel car from a few years ago and epoxy worked just fine, this is one a few Lionel cars I run since it is a Action car converted to DCC.

No problems with the truck no one see's the glue inside the truck no problems, not a big deal a easy fix.

Use a toothpick in applying any glue to it, let it set up for a bit, put the truck with the wheels in it back together.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh



BULL.... Glad you found the tanker..... How about SUPER GLUE? ..... I had a Blueprint machine in my office and for some reason the Motor shaft came loose..... I tried that stupid idea and the machine went on for many years!!!!!!! Bob

--- On Sun, 5/23/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 9:06 PM



Hi All,

I now have the entire NTTM work train with all pieces new-in-box. I was going to open all the boxes tonight and set up the train and post a video. So I very carefully opened the first box, removed the car in it's plastic case, opened the case and one truck fell apart. I stopped at that point and decided to cut my losses for the time being.

The truck was easy enough to reassembly due to the loose fit of the side frame, but how do you re-assemble the truck so it will stay together?

Thanks in advance for all suggestions!

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60600 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Guys.... really didn't think when I wrote that note last night.... This AM..... I build model planes and many times I use CA glue, the gap filling kind, on both wood and metal.... I have an S helper  Hopper car, Sorry GUYS!!!!! that the coupler weight fell off of !!!!.... didn't think... just grabbed the CA and I don't think I could ever break it off again!!!!! And nothing shows..... If I find a car with loose wheel sets I will certianly try it without question..... Epoxy is to messy.... A tiny drop and done..... You might try some Zip Kicker too with the CA..... Put the CA on.... Kick it and dry!!!!! Done.... Bob

--- On Sun, 5/23/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:15 PM


 



Bull,

Great that you found the car.

As for the truck, I had a truck fall apart on a Lionel car from a few years ago and epoxy worked just fine, this is one a few Lionel cars I run since it is a Action car converted to DCC.

No problems with the truck no one see's the glue inside the truck no problems, not a big deal a easy fix.

Use a toothpick in applying any glue to it, let it set up for a bit, put the truck with the wheels in it back together.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Conner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh

BULL.... Glad you found the tanker..... How about SUPER GLUE? ..... I had a Blueprint machine in my office and for some reason the Motor shaft came loose..... I tried that stupid idea and the machine went on for many years!!!!!!! Bob

--- On Sun, 5/23/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 9:06 PM

Hi All,

I now have the entire NTTM work train with all pieces new-in-box. I was going to open all the boxes tonight and set up the train and post a video. So I very carefully opened the first box, removed the car in it's plastic case, opened the case and one truck fell apart. I stopped at that point and decided to cut my losses for the time being.

The truck was easy enough to reassembly due to the loose fit of the side frame, but how do you re-assemble the truck so it will stay together?

Thanks in advance for all suggestions!

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60601 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
I experienced the dreaded "Flyonel-truck-falls-apart" syndrome. A bit of
epoxy fixed it. Parts fit together so well that no clamping was necessary.
My girder flat is back as the first car in an 11 car drag with no problems.
Took all of 5 minutes to fix.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60602 From: Rance and Bente Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
I guess the bottom line is not that it takes so much time to fix it, but
that something new out of the box falls apart! That is what is the most
frustrating. Great customer service and concern.
regards all, get that CD or epoxy out.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Charles E. Smith wrote:
>
>
> I experienced the dreaded "Flyonel-truck-falls-apart" syndrome. A bit of
> epoxy fixed it. Parts fit together so well that no clamping was necessary.
> My girder flat is back as the first car in an 11 car drag with no
> problems.
> Took all of 5 minutes to fix.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60603 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
All Lionel needs to do is change the description from ":Ready to Run" to
"Easy Assemble Kit." That is probably easier to do than fix the quality
control issues.

Dale Smith

Charles E. Smith wrote:
>
>
> I experienced the dreaded "Flyonel-truck-falls-apart" syndrome. A bit of
> epoxy fixed it. Parts fit together so well that no clamping was necessary.
> My girder flat is back as the first car in an 11 car drag with no
> problems.
> Took all of 5 minutes to fix.
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60604 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Yes, that is true, but the answer is fix it with glue and don't buy AF Lionel items anymore until you get assurance from Lionel or someone you trust that the problem is solved for future production.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Rance and Bente
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh



I guess the bottom line is not that it takes so much time to fix it, but
that something new out of the box falls apart! That is what is the most
frustrating. Great customer service and concern.
regards all, get that CD or epoxy out.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Charles E. Smith wrote:
>
>
> I experienced the dreaded "Flyonel-truck-falls-apart" syndrome. A bit of
> epoxy fixed it. Parts fit together so well that no clamping was necessary.
> My girder flat is back as the first car in an 11 car drag with no
> problems.
> Took all of 5 minutes to fix.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60605 From: Gerry Evans Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Free Layout...
Free beer? NO!

Free layout? YES! Must be picked up in Flagstaff, AZ by June 6 or it's off to the junk yard. No room in the inn. Moving.

Standard S shelf layout. U-shaped. Sceniked, beautifully-painted masonite backdrops. Basically a switching layout. Base of U approx. 12', right leg approx. 10 1/2', left leg 7'. Base has extension to push it to 13 1/2'. Right leg has extension to push it to 11 1/2'. Expandable to infinity. Code 100 track. Trees. Fake tunnel into wall on right leg. Four switches installed. Tortoise motors on all switches. Micro DPDT switch control levers. Will require U-haul or pick-up truck for transport.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff, but not for long.
First guy in the driveway has it.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60606 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Hi All,

Thanks for all the suggestions to repair the defective trucks. I'm traveling this week and next, but next chance I get I'll take all of the NTTM cars out of the boxes and see if I have anymore defective trucks. Then I'll fire off an email to TCA to complain - for what that's worth - lol. Then I'll go through my drawer full of various glues and epoxies and give one a try!

Regards,

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60607 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Hi Bill

There are several Greenberg books one set was done in 1984, the second set which also has 2 volums was done in 1991 and also a book covering many of the sets by Joe deger which is also volume 3 hope this helps
stan sobieski
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book



Hi Folks,

I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there
another volume? If so does it cover accessories?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60608 From: Bob Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide 5-for-4 Special Ending Soon
Good evening. A quick reminder that the special 5-for-4 promotion for new subscribers to the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine ends this coming Memorial Day, May 31, at 11:59 PM.

***Please be advised that there are only 28 copies of the Winter, 2010 issue (Vol. 11, #1) left!***

If you haven't taken advantage of this great offer, you still have some time.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 60609 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Thanks Stanley,

That is good to know and it does help me. My volume 1 is also by Deger
and states that it is the Firth Edition.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stanley Sobieski
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book


Hi Bill

There are several Greenberg books one set was done in 1984, the second
set which also has 2 volums was done in 1991 and also a book covering
many of the sets by Joe deger which is also volume 3 hope this helps
stan sobieski
Group: S-Trains Message: 60610 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Urrrrgl - "fifth" edition Volume 1, 1997

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Porter
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:13 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book


Thanks Stanley,

That is good to know and it does help me. My volume 1 is also by Deger
and states that it is the FIFTH Edition.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 60611 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/27/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Book
Bill,

Or maybe you are having a "fifth".

Just kidding, hey we all do this at times.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book



Urrrrgl - "fifth" edition Volume 1, 1997

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Porter
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:13 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

Thanks Stanley,

That is good to know and it does help me. My volume 1 is also by Deger
and states that it is the FIFTH Edition.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60612 From: biew19 Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: Passenger car inserts
I have been trying to get passenger car window inserts with people on them can any one tell me were to get them or a download so I can print on clear plastic used for over head viewers
Thanks
Joe
Group: S-Trains Message: 60613 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: York!!!
TOMORROW IS YORK DAY!!!!!!!! Wa hoo.

Oh wait, no trains, going to York to see the York Revolution baseball team Saturday and then bike riding on the York Rail Trail. O:)!

A weekend in York without trains, is like withdrawing from something, I bet. but there is lots to do in York. Oh, my hotel rate, $66. LOL

Have a good weekend.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60614 From: Dave Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: Rolling Stock Sales
For all of our clients and those of you that know our decals, we are starting to sell our AF rolling stock (original & custom repaints) at our web site and lessening our offerings at our EBAY store and auctions which, we think, gives the collector and operator a chance to get AF units first hand from our business at a better price.
Please use the link below and go to near the bottom of the page to view and if you like what you see please book mark the site.

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html

Thank you for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 60615 From: Gerry Evans Date: 5/28/2010
Subject: Freebie Shelf Layout...
Someone out there needs a nice U-shaped shelf layout with code 100 S track and BK switches powered by Tortoise switch machines. I just know it. The shelf itself ranges from about six-inches wide to 18" wide depending on the function assigned to any individual portion. The switching portion near one end and the fake through-the-wall tunnel is wide as is the portion of the layout used for a passing siding. What makes this very basic, but sceniked, layout such a gem is the hand-painted mountain and flowered glade background that's on masonite and attaches to the rear side of the wooden track/scenery supports.

The layout was originally made by someone in Michigan who is unknown to me. It was then wall-mounted in a university office. From there it came to me about twelve years ago. I expanded two sides to fill the available space. These fillers are independent and removable in order to bring the layout down to its original size. Or any of the two legs or base could be easily expanded to fill a larger area.

Just drop me an e-mail or call 928-214-9054 over the weekend, and the layout will be yours. You must, however, pick it up here in Flagstaff, AZ, and you'll need a trailer or pick-up to accommodate the largest section which has 90-degree opposing ends and the passing siding. The whole thing breaks down into about twelve pieces and is easily mounted on drywall.

Gerry Evans

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60616 From: Gerry Evans Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Free Layout...
The freebie layout appears to be headed to Phoenix. So, wipe the tears from your eyes, the shelf layout will live to move some traffic for many more days. Thanks to all who inquired about it. The new owner will be Ned Harris, now of Sacramento, CA and soon a resident of the Valley of the Sun.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff, but not for long..................

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60617 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Re: Passenger car inserts
Joe, you can order the window passemger car inserts with people from Doug Peck at Portlineshobby.com.  Have a great Memorial Day weekend.  Also, checkout my website at www.americanflyertrains47.com.

Bob




________________________________
From: biew19 <biew19@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 6:42:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger car inserts

 
I have been trying to get passenger car window inserts with people on them can any one tell me were to get them or a download so I can print on clear plastic used for over head viewers
Thanks
Joe







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60618 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Defective Lionel Truck - Repaired
Hi All,

I opened all the remaining NTTM boxes and the only defective truck was on the tank car. A little dab of Gorilla two-part epoxy took care of the problem.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60619 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: NTTM Work Train Videos
Hi All,

I've posted a couple of videos of the repaired NTTM work train on YouTube. You can view them here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9SfIRrIdNg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWtIigWZBmw

I hope you enjoy.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60620 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Work and Freight Trains Videos
Hi All,

I've posted a couple of videos of the NTTM work train and a generic freight train on YouTube. You can view them here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftjTv2op0kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su0isIEdLbo

I hope you enjoy them.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60621 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/30/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60622 From: pkrae Date: 5/29/2010
Subject: Re: NTTM Work Train Videos
Great Video!!
I especially appreciate a hi-railer that knows how to make trains run nice and slow, at a realistic pace, so that one can appreciate each piece of rolling stock!!
ThanX!
 
john jones
 
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From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] NTTM Work Train Videos
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 7:54 PM


 



Hi All,

I've posted a couple of videos of the repaired NTTM work train on YouTube. You can view them here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9SfIRrIdNg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWtIigWZBmw

I hope you enjoy.

BG1








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60623 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Outage - Latest Information to be posted in chatro
One more thing,

As I work to restore the website you can come to the chat room to see the latest bulletins regarding the outage.

You can also post your questions in the chat room.

Later... Chuck Harrington

http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/
Group: S-Trains Message: 60624 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Website Currently partially offline
Hello folks,

Sorry to say much of MyFlyerTrains.org is currently down.

The normal front page (which has been a Wordpress blog for the last couple years) was not working as of this morning. The photo gallery can also not be entered.

FIRST LET ME SAY THAT FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE PHOTO ALBUMS THERE, THEY ARE STILL THERE BUT JUST CAN'T BE ACCESSED.

ALSO, I HAVE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF THE PHOTOS DONE A WEEK OR SO AGO ON MY OWN HARD DRIVES.

I do have an old (blast from the past) front page currently there that will allow you to access the Gilbert Catalogs and other content.

I have contacted my web hosting company and hope to hear from them soon, though this is a holiday weekend.

I will be working through out this weekend, to try and restore as much of the website as possible.

THE CHAT ROOM, USED FOR THE WEEKLY S-TRAINS CHAT IS STILL OPERATIONAL!

Chuck Harrington

CHAT ROOM LINK

http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/
Group: S-Trains Message: 60625 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org Website Currently partially offline
Hey Chuck,

When you find out the cause of the outage, please drop me a note
(wpporter@...). I just added Wordpress to another site and would
like to know of your experiences.

Thanks,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Chuck Harrington
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:56 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MyFlyerTrains.org Website Currently partially
offline

Hello folks,

Sorry to say much of MyFlyerTrains.org is currently down.

The normal front page (which has been a Wordpress blog for the last
couple years) was not working as of this morning. The photo gallery can
also not be entered.

FIRST LET ME SAY THAT FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE PHOTO ALBUMS THERE, THEY
ARE STILL THERE BUT JUST CAN'T BE ACCESSED.

ALSO, I HAVE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF THE PHOTOS DONE A WEEK OR SO AGO ON MY
OWN HARD DRIVES.

I do have an old (blast from the past) front page currently there that
will allow you to access the Gilbert Catalogs and other content.

I have contacted my web hosting company and hope to hear from them soon,
though this is a holiday weekend.

I will be working through out this weekend, to try and restore as much
of the website as possible.

THE CHAT ROOM, USED FOR THE WEEKLY S-TRAINS CHAT IS STILL OPERATIONAL!

Chuck Harrington

CHAT ROOM LINK

http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/
Group: S-Trains Message: 60626 From: reujan2000 Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: AF Info. Update
Here is an update to our previous statement of commitment to sell American Flyer rolling stock at our "S" scale decal web site.
We now have a total of five (5) units of rolling stock, four (4) of which have a SPECIAL MONEY SAVING OFFER good through 05-31-2010.
Tentatively we will also start selling American Flyer restored pre-1966 steam engine units. Our first offerings will be from the well known LOW COUNTRY FLYER shop in Whiteville North Carolina and in addition in the coming weeks we will be listing our own restorations as well.
As you can see, we are growing and hope to take you all along with us in an effort to supply you the "S" scaler with the best American flyer originals and restorations on the market today.
Dave

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 60627 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Greenberg Books
OK, this is to clarify what Greenberg books on American Flyer "S" gauge were published.

1. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 1st Edition - Copyright 1980 - 175 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)

2. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 2nd Edition - Copyright 1984 - 191 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)

3. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 3rd Edition - Copyright 1988 - 215 pages, (Hard back)

4. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 4th Edition - Copyright 1991 , ( All hard back )
"Three Volume set";
Volume I - Motive Power and Rolling Stock - 224 pages
Volume II - Articles, Accessories, Sets, Lionel Production And Catalogues - 216 pages
Volume III - Sets - 192 - pages

5. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 5th Edition- Copyright 1997 - 240 pages, (Soft cover)
Volume I: "Motive Power and Rolling Stock"


Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book




Hi Bill

There are several Greenberg books one set was done in 1984, the second set which also has 2 volums was done in 1991 and also a book covering many of the sets by Joe deger which is also volume 3 hope this helps
stan sobieski
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Book

Hi Folks,

I have a Greenberg guide to American Flyer S-Gauge Volume 1. Is there
another volume? If so does it cover accessories?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60628 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] York!!!
Well, Tom, I just got back from York, PA, as I sit here in my sweaty bike clothes. LOL

Had a another great ride on the York Rail Trail, as for those of you who do go to York and do not walk a mile or two of the the rail trail, as the RR track is along it, no longer in use, you are missing out on something. April and October are fine times for walks. You have sections where the trail is in complete woods, as it cuts out rock for the path, a very short tunnel, Hanover Junction station where President Lincoln rode through on his way to Gettysburg, the New Freedom RR museum, and so on.

Then the baseball game, Saturday. York is in a independent league with all ex- major leaguers trying to make a comeback. The game was horrible. LOL 10 to 8 over Lancaster, as no wonder why these guys are no longer in the MLB system, as this is a last hope to come back. Game was over 3.5 hours. LOL

Oh, for those who complain about Hotels, the lady at my hotel said we can't have cheap prices all the time, as my rate for my hotel last night and in September for another baseball game and riding was 66.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Izzo
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: [toytrains] York!!!



<< TOMORROW IS YORK DAY!!!!!!!! Wa hoo. Oh wait, no trains, going to York to see the York Revolution baseball team Saturday and then bike riding on the York Rail Trail. A weekend in York without trains, is like withdrawing from something, I bet. but there is lots to do in York. >>

hahahahahaha LOL

And to think, I went to YORK High School about 100 years ago.
(That's York, in IL, not PA)

Tom Izzo




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60629 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/30/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Date:   Sunday May 30, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60630 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh
Actually, TCA would be as much a victim as you in this debacle. I had a nice conversation with Mike Reagan of LIONEL (formerly head of Train America Studios) whom "L" hired to straighten out the Customer Service morass. I AM REMISS in not having already forwarded to Mike my correspondences with various players at "L" over the truck issue. I took my "Walking Brakeman" car (in pieces) along to York, found Mike talking to Ed Boyle of OGR fame and showed him the problem. I will get the emails off this week.


Jim Lyle


-----Original Message-----
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Defective Lionel Trucks - Arghhhh


Hi All,
Thanks for all the suggestions to repair the defective trucks. I'm traveling
his week and next, but next chance I get I'll take all of the NTTM cars out of
he boxes and see if I have anymore defective trucks. Then I'll fire off an
mail to TCA to complain - for what that's worth - lol. Then I'll go through my
rawer full of various glues and epoxies and give one a try!
Regards,
BG1


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60631 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Photo Gallery back online!
After some effort, I was able to use my backups of the photo gallery executables to get the gallery back online.

Still running the blast from the past front page.

Tomorrow is another day.

Later... Chuck Harrington
Group: S-Trains Message: 60632 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/30/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Books
Excellent work and a very nicely done summary.

Thanks Harwood,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Books



OK, this is to clarify what Greenberg books on American Flyer "S" gauge
were published.

1. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 1st Edition -
Copyright 1980 - 175 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)

2. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 2nd Edition -
Copyright 1984 - 191 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)

3. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 3rd Edition -
Copyright 1988 - 215 pages, (Hard back)

4. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 4th Edition -
Copyright 1991 , ( All hard back )
"Three Volume set";
Volume I - Motive Power and Rolling Stock - 224 pages
Volume II - Articles, Accessories, Sets, Lionel Production And
Catalogues - 216 pages
Volume III - Sets - 192 - pages

5. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 5th Edition-
Copyright 1997 - 240 pages, (Soft cover)
Volume I: "Motive Power and Rolling Stock"


Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 60633 From: wcbeverly Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 6/6 and 6/8
The Slim Gauge Guild Model Railroad Club would like to invite you to their semi-annual open house on Sunday June 6th (10 AM to 6 PM) and Tuesday June 8th (6 PM to 10 PM).

Layouts are S/Sn3 and HO/HOn3 and fill a 2000 square foot room in the basement.

Address: China Factory Mall (basement)
300 S. Raymond Ave
Pasadena, CA 91105

The South East corner of Raymond and Del Mar.
Just across Del Mar (South) from the MTA Gold Line Station.
web site @ www.slimgaugeguild.com

Parking on the north of the building. Construction in progress on exterior of building, so follow signs to entrance.
Info call Jeff Smith @ (818) 590-1729

Hope all interested in Narrow gauge or just running trains can visit.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60634 From: race944t Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Books additional info
Let me see if I can add a bit more information to the books listed below and add a couple more Greenberg books covering "S" gauge. Please note that all of my books with the exception of item #1 below do not include the word "Price" in the title.

"Banker" Bill Clark

>OK, this is to clarify what Greenberg books on American Flyer "S" gauge were published.
>
> 1. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 1st Edition -
> Copyright 1980 - 175 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)
Book cover: dark blue lettered as title above.
Dust jacket picture of 1946 catalogue cover (two boys looking at front of steam engine NYC #5405)
ISBN 0-442-21209-7
>
> 2. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 2nd Edition -
> Copyright 1984 - 191 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)
Book cover: dark blue no lettering
Dust jacket picture of Washington Frontiersman engine
ISBN 89778-004-3
>
> 3. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 3rd Edition -
> Copyright 1988 - 215 pages, (Hard back)
Book cover: White with Silver Flash 477 Alco PA
No dust jacket that I'm aware of
ISBN 89778-078-7
>
> 4. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 4th Edition -
> Copyright 1991 , ( All hard back )
> "Three Volume set";
> Volume I - Motive Power and Rolling Stock - 224 pages
Book cover: Blueish green forest scene with 21573 NH Electric over a 21551 NP Alco PA(front cover wraps around to back cover)
No dust jacket that I'm aware of
ISBN 0-89778-176-7

> Volume II - Articles, Accessories, Sets, Lionel Production And
> Catalogues - 216 pages
Book cover: painted landscape scene with 21918 Seaboard Baldwin (front cover wraps around to back cover with 21918-1 Seaboard Baldwin)
No dust jacket I'm aware of
ISBN 0-89778-214-3

> Volume III - Sets - 192 - pages
Book cover: tan background with Steam loco in foreground with extensive AF Flyer layout in background
No dust jacket I'm aware of
ISBN 0-89778-326-3
>
> 5. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 5th Edition-
> Copyright 1997 - 240 pages, (Soft cover)
> Volume I: "Motive Power and Rolling Stock"
Book cover: Black with picture of 470 SF Alco PA
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 0-89778-420-0

I would like to add the following Greenberg books that I'm aware of:

6. Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge - 1945-1965 Repair and Operating Manual - Copyright 1983 - Second Edition, Fourth Printing, 1995 - 80 pages (Soft Cover)
Author: Thomas Barker
Book cover: White with picture of the front of #360 SF Alco PA
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 89778-017-5

7. Greenberg's Amerrican Flyer Numerical Parts List - Copyright 1985 - 20 pages (soft cover)
Author: Ernst W. Wullenweber, Jr.
Book cover: White with black Reading Atlantic
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 89778-025-6

8. Greenberg's American Flyer Track Plans and Operating Instructions - Copywright 1992 - First edition, second printing - 47 pages (soft cover)
Author: Jeff Faust
Book cover: Green with #326 on trestle over #475 Rocket and handcar
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 0-89778-092-2
(Note: This book just sold for an amazing $281.66 (e-bay item #250630258534). I have an extra for sale if someone wants it. The first $200 to show up gets it :-)

9. American Flyer Service Manual, Volumes I, II, and III - 1974 Reproduction Greenberg Publishing Co. 9323 Afternoon Lane Columbia, MD 21045. Loose leaf 3 hole punch - These appear to be copies of original Gilbert service manual pages, price sheets from various dates, dealer instruction pages, administrative letters & procedures, sample ACG forms, and misc other charts as well as the documented and published exploded diagrams shown in the K-Line repair book.
Cover: Yellow card stock
No ISBN number
Number of pages is in excess of 1000 sheets some printed on one side, some printed on both sides.

10. Other Greenberg "S" gauge related books I'm aware of but don't have are:

A. American Flyer S Gauge Parts and Exploded Diagrams 1979 - 1991 40 pages softbound
B. Greenberg's American Flyer Factory Manual 1946 - 1966 710 pages hardbound
C. Greenberg's American Flyer Catalogues 1946 - 1955 432 pages hardbound
D. Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S auge Sets 192 pages hardbound with picture of set box 20445 on cover
E. Greenberg's Guide to Fundimensions Trains 1970 - 1985 Supposed to have been available in the fall of 1985 but I'm unsure if it was ever published.
F. Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide - produced for years as I'm sure everyone is aware.

I'm sure there are many more that I'm not aware of with other editions and printings out there. Please feel free to add onto this listing if you are aware of other items.

>
>
> Harwood
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60635 From: George Cohn Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: American Flyer Digital Sound Card
I mentioned a week or so ago when someone asked about talking stations
that I was working on a digital card to replace the original mechanical
mechanism and allow it to control the train just like the original.

Here's my first pass at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVMBJlD2ui4

The quality of the sound varies with the quality of the original
recording. The NOMA one is pretty good but some of the older AF Talking
Station messages are pretty poor.

You could always record your own message using lots of echo to get the
"marble and concrete train station" sound. :-)

I'll throw my board on a layout shortly to demonstrate that it does
indeed control the train properly and upload another video.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60636 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: MyFlyerTrains Back Online
I have completed the rest of the file restores from my backups and everything seems to be working again.

Let me know if you see any issues.

Now I can enjoy the rest of the holiday!

Chuck Harrington

http://www.myflyertrains.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 60637 From: Scale S Only Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 6/6 and 6/8
Hi Guys!

Thanks for the invite! Wish that I could make the trip, but I just got
back from 10500 miles of travel and am pretty much tapped out.

For those on this list that are able to go and have not been before, it is
worth the trip. One of the members has done the most outstanding job of
backdrop painting I have ever seen (he claims to be self taught). The Sn3
side is mostly fictional, but the HO side is closely based upon the DRGW/RGS
standard and narrow gauge.

Hope the open house goes well.

Have fun!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ


The Slim Gauge Guild Model Railroad Club would like to invite you to their
semi-annual open house on Sunday June 6th (10 AM to 6 PM) and Tuesday June
8th (6 PM to 10 PM).
Group: S-Trains Message: 60638 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Circus Tickets
I was wondering - where the Flyer Circus tickets originally packaged
with the Circus sets, or where they part of a premium?

http://www.virginianrailway.com/files/Flyer/AF_Circus_Tickets.pdf

Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60639 From: grant bishop Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Greenberg Books
Bill

Here are the 2 Books I have



Greenberg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List - Copyright 1985, (soft back
), 20 pages
Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Operating & Repair Manual 1945 -1965 -
Copyright 1979, (soft back ), 72 Pages
Grant

Grant Bishop

1085 Page St

San Francisco, CA 94117

H (415) 626-9315

C (415) 513-3743

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60640 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Question about Circus Tickets
I was wondering - were the Flyer Circus tickets originally packaged
with the Circus sets, or were they part of a premium?

http://www.virginianrailway.com/files/Flyer/AF_Circus_Tickets.pdf

Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60641 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Greenberg Books additional info
Bill,
Thanks for the correction on the words " Price Guide'. I was copying and pasting and forgot to remove those words from the other entries. The other entries will be of help to everyone.

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: race944t <race944t@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 12:02 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Greenberg Books additional info




Let me see if I can add a bit more information to the books listed below and add a couple more Greenberg books covering "S" gauge. Please note that all of my books with the exception of item #1 below do not include the word "Price" in the title.

"Banker" Bill Clark

>OK, this is to clarify what Greenberg books on American Flyer "S" gauge were published.
>
> 1. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 1st Edition -
> Copyright 1980 - 175 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)
Book cover: dark blue lettered as title above.
Dust jacket picture of 1946 catalogue cover (two boys looking at front of steam engine NYC #5405)
ISBN 0-442-21209-7
>
> 2. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 2nd Edition -
> Copyright 1984 - 191 pages, (Hard back with dust cover)
Book cover: dark blue no lettering
Dust jacket picture of Washington Frontiersman engine
ISBN 89778-004-3
>
> 3. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 3rd Edition -
> Copyright 1988 - 215 pages, (Hard back)
Book cover: White with Silver Flash 477 Alco PA
No dust jacket that I'm aware of
ISBN 89778-078-7
>
> 4. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 4th Edition -
> Copyright 1991 , ( All hard back )
> "Three Volume set";
> Volume I - Motive Power and Rolling Stock - 224 pages
Book cover: Blueish green forest scene with 21573 NH Electric over a 21551 NP Alco PA(front cover wraps around to back cover)
No dust jacket that I'm aware of
ISBN 0-89778-176-7

> Volume II - Articles, Accessories, Sets, Lionel Production And
> Catalogues - 216 pages
Book cover: painted landscape scene with 21918 Seaboard Baldwin (front cover wraps around to back cover with 21918-1 Seaboard Baldwin)
No dust jacket I'm aware of
ISBN 0-89778-214-3

> Volume III - Sets - 192 - pages
Book cover: tan background with Steam loco in foreground with extensive AF Flyer layout in background
No dust jacket I'm aware of
ISBN 0-89778-326-3
>
> 5. Greenberg Price Guide To American Flyer S Gauge - 5th Edition-
> Copyright 1997 - 240 pages, (Soft cover)
> Volume I: "Motive Power and Rolling Stock"
Book cover: Black with picture of 470 SF Alco PA
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 0-89778-420-0

I would like to add the following Greenberg books that I'm aware of:

6. Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge - 1945-1965 Repair and Operating Manual - Copyright 1983 - Second Edition, Fourth Printing, 1995 - 80 pages (Soft Cover)
Author: Thomas Barker
Book cover: White with picture of the front of #360 SF Alco PA
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 89778-017-5

7. Greenberg's Amerrican Flyer Numerical Parts List - Copyright 1985 - 20 pages (soft cover)
Author: Ernst W. Wullenweber, Jr.
Book cover: White with black Reading Atlantic
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 89778-025-6

8. Greenberg's American Flyer Track Plans and Operating Instructions - Copywright 1992 - First edition, second printing - 47 pages (soft cover)
Author: Jeff Faust
Book cover: Green with #326 on trestle over #475 Rocket and handcar
Dust jacket N/A (softbound book)
ISBN 0-89778-092-2
(Note: This book just sold for an amazing $281.66 (e-bay item #250630258534). I have an extra for sale if someone wants it. The first $200 to show up gets it :-)

9. American Flyer Service Manual, Volumes I, II, and III - 1974 Reproduction Greenberg Publishing Co. 9323 Afternoon Lane Columbia, MD 21045. Loose leaf 3 hole punch - These appear to be copies of original Gilbert service manual pages, price sheets from various dates, dealer instruction pages, administrative letters & procedures, sample ACG forms, and misc other charts as well as the documented and published exploded diagrams shown in the K-Line repair book.
Cover: Yellow card stock
No ISBN number
Number of pages is in excess of 1000 sheets some printed on one side, some printed on both sides.

10. Other Greenberg "S" gauge related books I'm aware of but don't have are:

A. American Flyer S Gauge Parts and Exploded Diagrams 1979 - 1991 40 pages softbound
B. Greenberg's American Flyer Factory Manual 1946 - 1966 710 pages hardbound
C. Greenberg's American Flyer Catalogues 1946 - 1955 432 pages hardbound
D. Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S auge Sets 192 pages hardbound with picture of set box 20445 on cover
E. Greenberg's Guide to Fundimensions Trains 1970 - 1985 Supposed to have been available in the fall of 1985 but I'm unsure if it was ever published.
F. Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide - produced for years as I'm sure everyone is aware.

I'm sure there are many more that I'm not aware of with other editions and printings out there. Please feel free to add onto this listing if you are aware of other items.

>
>
> Harwood
>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60642 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/31/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
Brady,
As far as I know, they came in the boxed circus sets with the tent, etc.

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:37 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Question about Circus Tickets





I was wondering - were the Flyer Circus tickets originally packaged
with the Circus sets, or were they part of a premium?

http://www.virginianrailway.com/files/Flyer/AF_Circus_Tickets.pdf

Thanks

Brady Burdge







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60643 From: Bob Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide 5-for-4 Special Thank You
Good morning. The 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine 5-for-4 promotion is over. It was a very successful campaign. Thank you to all new and returning subscribers!

If you mailed in your subscription check prior to the deadline but I haven't received it yet, don't worry; you'll get credit for 5 issues.

If you've let your subscription lapse and haven't yet renewed or if you've been meaning to subscribe and haven't gotten around to it yet, don't delay. The Winter, 2010 issue is almost sold out.

The Spring issue is still being put together (delayed due to signal trouble--I figure that works for the prototype, so why not?) and it's going to be a good one. The preview will be available on the magazine Website (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com) in the next week to 10 days.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 60644 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2010 Open House
2010 SHS Annual Open House will be held at our facility on Friday,
June 4th and Saturday, June 5th. The hours on Friday will be from 10
am until 5 pm and on Saturday from 11 am until 5 pm. As usual, we will
be offering some great specials, Robin will be running the famous
scratch & dent sale, Don will be on hand to answer questions, Bill
will be giving advice on engine maintenance, and Mike will be manning
the barbecue grill. Please make plans to attend one or both days to
meet the SHS crew, find some bargains, and enjoy delicious food. It is
a free and fun day out! We even erect tents in case of rain. On
Friday, Jay Soberman will give a prototype lecture on NYC's Penn
Station. Jay's clinics are always interesting and amusing.

Our shop is located in the Aberdeen Business Park, 77 Cliffwood Ave,
Cliffwood, NJ 07721. For those who have never attended, take the
Garden State Parkway (from the North or South) to Exit 120 (Laurence
Harbor/Cheesequake Park). Turn right off the exit ramp on to Matawan
Road. Travel 1/4 mile and turn left at the traffic light on to
Cliffwood Avenue (there will be a Quik Chek gas station on the
corner). Travel about 1 mile on Cliffwood Avenue. Look for a small
white church on the right and our Showcase Line truck in their parking
lot. Turn right just after the church into the Aberdeen Business Park
driveway. On Friday, visitors must park in the church lot and walk
back to our facilty. Because we are business/flex condos, each
business owns their parking spaces. Be courteous and do not park in a
space that belongs to another business. If you have a disabilty, let
us know and we will arrange a parking spot for you. On Saturday, when
all other businesses are closed, you can park anywhere in the complex.

See you this week.

Thanks.
Robin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60645 From: Herbert Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
Brady,
The 1950 catalog lists the set as coming with tickets.
herbw

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> Brady,
> As far as I know, they came in the boxed circus sets with the tent, etc.
>
> Harwood
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:37 pm
> Subject: [S-Trains] Question about Circus Tickets
>
>
>
>
>
> I was wondering - were the Flyer Circus tickets originally packaged
> with the Circus sets, or were they part of a premium?
>
> http://www.virginianrailway.com/files/Flyer/AF_Circus_Tickets.pdf
>
> Thanks
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60646 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
3/16" Three-rail question - warning for any ultra-sensitive individuals to
avert their eyes. :-)

I've been bitten by the Marx 3/16" scale bug, with their great lithographed
freight cars from the 40s & 50s. Am trying to get some more info on what is
available - any leads would be appreciated.

Will still use all Flyer motive power (ACG prewar) as the Marx locos are,
IMHO, pretty damn ugly. That will mean swapping trucks on at least one
tender of each type. Speaking of which, has anyone (Shiffy? Stumpy?) ever
successfully grafted a Marx coupler onto a Northern or Hudson diecast truck?

Many thanks in advance.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60647 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Fw: Items for sale
Here are some books I am thinning out, all prices are plus postage

1 Chicago Great Western Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment by Gene Green new in wrap $40

1 D&H Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment by Odell, Martin, Cross and Wright dust cover excellent shape $40

1 Bridge Line Blues D&H 1976-1986 by Hal Reiser 90% black and white good shape $20

1 D&H in Color Vol 2 by the Plant's no dust cover good $35



Thanks

gale hall
frisco91@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60648 From: willisbd Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Modeling project
There's a great idea for a modeling project for a layout in this month's (June) page of the Classic Trains calendar - Salt Wells. Fresh water is pumped to underground salt caverns and brine is pumped back up and evaporated. The train hauls the recovered salt. The wells look like old fashion wooden derrick oil wells.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60649 From: Scott Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Rail Scope?
Did American Flyer ever produce a locomotive with an onboard camera similair to the Lionel Railscope models?

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 60650 From: william cole Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope?
http://www.tuveson.com/Camera-in-the-nose.htm
 
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/model-railroad-faq/tinplate/part1/
 
FROM THE ABOVE WEB-SITE:
 
RAILSCOPE
What the heck is Railscope? Railscope is an invention of LTI which involves a miniature B&W camera mounted in a locomotive sending a signal to a remote TV. The signal is sent through the rails. The Railscope system includes the locomotive, receiver enclosed in a simulated lumber pile, coax cable, coax adapter, two inductors and a capacitor. A Lionel 4-1/2" TV was offered separately. On larger layouts use of chokes and resistors on all track connections is necessary to filter out noise that will distort the picture received. The earlier engine cameras were powered by a 9 V which lasted only about 30 minutes of run time. Later units contain adapters for 6 AA batteries which will last longer. The receiver also uses a 9 V which lasts much longer. First introduced in 1988 with O gauge GP-9 and HO FA-2 with "Lionel Lines" markings, all units ran on one 9-Volt battery in the locomotive and one in the receiver. They suffered from the exhausted locomotive battery
problem. In 1989 the line was the same except for the addition of a large scale (G) 0-4-4 and S gauge PA-2, also in Lionel Lines markings. In 1990 Two additional O GP-9's were added, one in Union Pacific and one in New York Central, and both cameras were to run track power with a 9-V in the receiver. Neither unit was produced, though. The S gauge was replaced with a PA-2 in Nickel Plate Road markings, but it is reported that neither S unit reached production. The previous HO, G and O were still offered, but with adapters to substitute 6 AA batteries. There have been no units cataloged since then.


Bc

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--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Scott <millesco@...> wrote:


From: Scott <millesco@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Scope?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:18 PM


 



Did American Flyer ever produce a locomotive with an onboard camera similair to the Lionel Railscope models?

Scott








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60651 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Hi Dick,

It turns out that I am a member of the Marx group on Yahoo. There are
frequent discussions on there about American Flyer - mostly the 3/16ths
scale, O-Gauge stuff. Actually, that group is pretty accepting of most
anything train related.

If you take a look at the Marx 333 (and the later remake by K-Line
numbered 3003) you will see a 3/16th loco that would fit right in with
Flyer stuff. It is detailed and is an excellent runner.

From time to time, someone on that list wants to put Marx trucks on a
Flyer car and wonders how it will look. They turn out to look pretty
good and that can free up some Flyer trucks for use elsewhere.

The Marxists have three groups that are related. First is MarxTrain. It
is the main place for discussions. One of the very clever things there
is that a member regularly produces a file that serves as an index to
the photos. It is much easier to scan through his HTML table than to
look for a photo using the Yahoo tools. Next there is
MarxTrain-neatstuff. It is a sort of overflow collection of photos that
did not (at one time) fit on the main group site. Finally, they have
Marx_traders where list members can post want adds and offers for sale.

For anyone interested in scenic items, possible kit bashes to S-Gauge
and other 3/16ths size topics, I recommend joining that group.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Hosmer
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Group; e_group
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
thereis one?

3/16" Three-rail question - warning for any ultra-sensitive individuals
to
avert their eyes. :-)

I've been bitten by the Marx 3/16" scale bug, with their great
lithographed
freight cars from the 40s & 50s. Am trying to get some more info on what
is
available - any leads would be appreciated.

Will still use all Flyer motive power (ACG prewar) as the Marx locos
are,
IMHO, pretty damn ugly. That will mean swapping trucks on at least one
tender of each type. Speaking of which, has anyone (Shiffy? Stumpy?)
ever
successfully grafted a Marx coupler onto a Northern or Hudson diecast
truck?

Many thanks in advance.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60652 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope?
Nope


In a message dated 06/01/2010 1:32:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
millesco@... writes:




Did American Flyer ever produce a locomotive with an onboard camera
similair to the Lionel Railscope models?

Scott





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60653 From: albert paolozzi Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
Several years ago i received a call in response to my AF trains wanted ad.  I ended up buying some miscellaneous S gauge stuff including a Wood Circus flat with cages.  At the bottom of the box were 4 circus tickets, yellow with red lettering.  I still have them and was surprised that they were in the box.  Neat but true story.   Al Paolozzi

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Herbert <hwass@...> wrote:

From: Herbert <hwass@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question about Circus Tickets
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:45 AM







 









Brady,

The 1950 catalog lists the set as coming with tickets.

herbw



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:

>

>

> Brady,

> As far as I know, they came in the boxed circus sets with the tent, etc.

>

> Harwood

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:37 pm

> Subject: [S-Trains] Question about Circus Tickets

>

>

>

>

>

> I was wondering - were the Flyer Circus tickets originally packaged

> with the Circus sets, or were they part of a premium?

>

> http://www.virginianrailway.com/files/Flyer/AF_Circus_Tickets.pdf

>

> Thanks

>

> Brady Burdge

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60654 From: Bill Drake Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope?
Scott -
 
Advertised/Catalogged but not produced.
 
Bill Drake

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Scott <millesco@...> wrote:


From: Scott <millesco@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Scope?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 1:18 PM


 



Did American Flyer ever produce a locomotive with an onboard camera similair to the Lionel Railscope models?

Scott











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60655 From: race944t Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Greenberg Books
Grant:

You must have the first edition of the repair manual where I've got the second. What is on the cover of your book and what is the ISBN number?

"Banker" Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "grant bishop" <gwbishop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> Here are the 2 Books I have
>
>
>
> Greenberg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List - Copyright 1985, (soft back
> ), 20 pages
> Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Operating & Repair Manual 1945 -1965 -
> Copyright 1979, (soft back ), 72 Pages
> Grant
>
> Grant Bishop
>
> 1085 Page St
>
> San Francisco, CA 94117
>
> H (415) 626-9315
>
> C (415) 513-3743
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60656 From: grant Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: All Talk
I recently picked up a Union Station fixer-upper and was comparing it to my 755 talking station and noticed the 755 has a spring attached to the speaker/needle whereas the union does not and the assembly is quite a bit different. Is one better than the other?
I have not found much about them but are there any other differences on the innards? I am using the 755 to troubleshoot the other so any ideas or tips would be great!
Thanks
Grant
Group: S-Trains Message: 60657 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question about Circus Tickets
<< Brady,
>
> The 1950 catalog lists the set as coming with tickets.
> herbw >>
>

Thanks to all for the information. As Herb stated, the tickets were
listed in the 1950 Circus set

http://www.rfgco.com/americanflyertrainscatalogs/1950/Page19.jpg


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60658 From: Robert Conner Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Marx trucks on a Flyer Car!!!!! Yep.... Picked up a very nice BAKERS CHOC Tanker with Marx trucks for 8.00 in the local hobby shop a few years back..... Now has flyer trucks back in place..... Bob

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:50 PM


 



Hi Dick,

It turns out that I am a member of the Marx group on Yahoo. There are
frequent discussions on there about American Flyer - mostly the 3/16ths
scale, O-Gauge stuff. Actually, that group is pretty accepting of most
anything train related.

If you take a look at the Marx 333 (and the later remake by K-Line
numbered 3003) you will see a 3/16th loco that would fit right in with
Flyer stuff. It is detailed and is an excellent runner.

From time to time, someone on that list wants to put Marx trucks on a
Flyer car and wonders how it will look. They turn out to look pretty
good and that can free up some Flyer trucks for use elsewhere.

The Marxists have three groups that are related. First is MarxTrain. It
is the main place for discussions. One of the very clever things there
is that a member regularly produces a file that serves as an index to
the photos. It is much easier to scan through his HTML table than to
look for a photo using the Yahoo tools. Next there is
MarxTrain-neatstuff. It is a sort of overflow collection of photos that
did not (at one time) fit on the main group site. Finally, they have
Marx_traders where list members can post want adds and offers for sale.

For anyone interested in scenic items, possible kit bashes to S-Gauge
and other 3/16ths size topics, I recommend joining that group.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Hosmer
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Group; e_group
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
thereis one?

3/16" Three-rail question - warning for any ultra-sensitive individuals
to
avert their eyes. :-)

I've been bitten by the Marx 3/16" scale bug, with their great
lithographed
freight cars from the 40s & 50s. Am trying to get some more info on what
is
available - any leads would be appreciated.

Will still use all Flyer motive power (ACG prewar) as the Marx locos
are,
IMHO, pretty damn ugly. That will mean swapping trucks on at least one
tender of each type. Speaking of which, has anyone (Shiffy? Stumpy?)
ever
successfully grafted a Marx coupler onto a Northern or Hudson diecast
truck?

Many thanks in advance.

Dick Hosmer








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60659 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Hi Bill,

Thanks for the response. I'll check it out.

I've "Googled" Marx 3/16, but haven't found a really good reference site
yet. Apparently there are no REASONABLY-priced guides available, either. I'm
not against buying books, in fact, I have written one (in another hobby) but
my Marx interest is VERY VERY narrow - JUST 3/16 tin freights - no plastic,
not even plastic couplers. My passenger trains are AF 500-series diecast.

I've been buying the Marx cars for a couple of months now, and have
identified about 24 basic items (I'm sure there are more - the flats
particularly seem kinda vague). And, I'm buying the ones with some wear on
them - "weathered" in M.R.-speak. Not interested in any pristine box-queens.

I'm installing a high-rail layout in our mom & pop antique store - something
for me to do while waiting for the the next honey-do! :-)

Thanks again.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60660 From: The Laniers Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if thereis one?
Try googling on "Marxtin" Nice site there.

paflyrman


From: Richard Hosmer
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:17 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if thereis one?



Hi Bill,

Thanks for the response. I'll check it out.

I've "Googled" Marx 3/16, but haven't found a really good reference site
yet. Apparently there are no REASONABLY-priced guides available, either. I'm
not against buying books, in fact, I have written one (in another hobby) but
my Marx interest is VERY VERY narrow - JUST 3/16 tin freights - no plastic,
not even plastic couplers. My passenger trains are AF 500-series diecast.

I've been buying the Marx cars for a couple of months now, and have
identified about 24 basic items (I'm sure there are more - the flats
particularly seem kinda vague). And, I'm buying the ones with some wear on
them - "weathered" in M.R.-speak. Not interested in any pristine box-queens.

I'm installing a high-rail layout in our mom & pop antique store - something
for me to do while waiting for the the next honey-do! :-)

Thanks again.

Dick Hosmer




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60661 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if thereis one?
Thanks - I did find that site, but it is still VERY much "under
construction", especially the 3/16" section. I already have a MUCH broader
selection of cars, though I'm sure several of mine are dead common. I
actually plan to contact him to see if I can help flesh things out.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60662 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Yes, Walt Hiteshew is an expert, very friendly and helpful. His CD on
the 6-inch tin cars is a delight. He may make another reference on the
plastic Marx cars (those are 3/16ths scale - the 8-wheel cars are
convertible to S-Gauge, the 4-wheel cars are probably not). He also
offers a video that was originally produced for the TTOS that shows lots
of overall background on Marx stuff.

Another place to look is on You Tube. Steve "Papa" Eastman has put quite
a few videos up there. His main focus is on Marx, but, he also has
Flyer, Ives, Hoge, Hafner, Kusan and a variety of other stuff running
along with informed commentary. There are plenty of good ideas that fit
with a 3/16ths layout.

If anyone does convert some of those Marx, 8-wheel cars to run on Flyer
trucks, keep in mind that the Marx trucks have value.

On my layout, I have both S-Gauge and O-Gauge trackage. That allows me
to have Flyer and Marx trains for scale-like appearance and also to run
my pre-war tinplate stuff when the mood strikes.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of The Laniers
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:38 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
thereis one?

Try googling on "Marxtin" Nice site there.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 60663 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Steve Eastman is a good friend, as he sent me Che the Marx Figure to go with Hugo the other Marx figure I have.

Again, the reason for Hugo and Che is because someone not on this list did not like me having the Citgo Sign at S Helper Field, so it is my joke that Politics has no place on my layout, as to me, that Citgo Sign is part of Fenway Park and I am a big Baseball fan. Been to Fenway twice, great ball park, hope to go again.

Miller Engineering told me they get the same flack from people about the Citgo sign.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?



Yes, Walt Hiteshew is an expert, very friendly and helpful. His CD on
the 6-inch tin cars is a delight. He may make another reference on the
plastic Marx cars (those are 3/16ths scale - the 8-wheel cars are
convertible to S-Gauge, the 4-wheel cars are probably not). He also
offers a video that was originally produced for the TTOS that shows lots
of overall background on Marx stuff.

Another place to look is on You Tube. Steve "Papa" Eastman has put quite
a few videos up there. His main focus is on Marx, but, he also has
Flyer, Ives, Hoge, Hafner, Kusan and a variety of other stuff running
along with informed commentary. There are plenty of good ideas that fit
with a 3/16ths layout.

If anyone does convert some of those Marx, 8-wheel cars to run on Flyer
trucks, keep in mind that the Marx trucks have value.

On my layout, I have both S-Gauge and O-Gauge trackage. That allows me
to have Flyer and Marx trains for scale-like appearance and also to run
my pre-war tinplate stuff when the mood strikes.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of The Laniers
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:38 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
thereis one?

Try googling on "Marxtin" Nice site there.

paflyrman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60664 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is
My Friend Steve is the co owner of a yahoo group for Marx.

Not sure is this link was talked about.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: STEPHEN EASTMAN
To: Mike Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?


Mike
Here is a link to the group. I am a co-owner/moderator there.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarxTrain/


Steve


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From: mlmarmer@...
To: gigeastman@...
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:19:07 -0400


Steve,

Do you know a yahoo Marx train group?

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hosmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?



Hi Bill,

Thanks for the response. I'll check it out.

I've "Googled" Marx 3/16, but haven't found a really good reference site
yet. Apparently there are no REASONABLY-priced guides available, either. I'm
not against buying books, in fact, I have written one (in another hobby) but
my Marx interest is VERY VERY narrow - JUST 3/16 tin freights - no plastic,
not even plastic couplers. My passenger trains are AF 500-series diecast.

I've been buying the Marx cars for a couple of months now, and have
identified about 24 basic items (I'm sure there are more - the flats
particularly seem kinda vague). And, I'm buying the ones with some wear on
them - "weathered" in M.R.-speak. Not interested in any pristine box-queens.

I'm installing a high-rail layout in our mom & pop antique store - something
for me to do while waiting for the the next honey-do! :-)

Thanks again.

Dick Hosmer




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60665 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/2/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
That's the one!

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:57 PM
To: S trains
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
there is one?

My Friend Steve is the co owner of a yahoo group for Marx.

Not sure is this link was talked about.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: STEPHEN EASTMAN
To: Mike Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
there is one?


Mike
Here is a link to the group. I am a co-owner/moderator there.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarxTrain/


Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 60666 From: MikeS Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
Well, if the truth be known the 3/16" scale Marx really looks great as S gauge. I guarantee that if you start with 3/16" your Marx interest will spread............. Here is a link about it:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Marx-quot-3-16-Scale-quot-Guide-Metal-Freight-Cars_W0QQugidZ10000000001455546

The Marx Yahoo Group is one of the friendliest and nicest groups. Alot like this group.

Mike Spanier

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for the response. I'll check it out.
>
> I've "Googled" Marx 3/16, but haven't found a really good reference site
> yet. Apparently there are no REASONABLY-priced guides available, either. I'm
> not against buying books, in fact, I have written one (in another hobby) but
> my Marx interest is VERY VERY narrow - JUST 3/16 tin freights - no plastic,
> not even plastic couplers. My passenger trains are AF 500-series diecast.
>
> I've been buying the Marx cars for a couple of months now, and have
> identified about 24 basic items (I'm sure there are more - the flats
> particularly seem kinda vague). And, I'm buying the ones with some wear on
> them - "weathered" in M.R.-speak. Not interested in any pristine box-queens.
>
> I'm installing a high-rail layout in our mom & pop antique store - something
> for me to do while waiting for the the next honey-do! :-)
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Dick Hosmer
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60667 From: rapidrail1 Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if there is one?
I am a member of three: The Marx Trains group listed here previously, New Marx Ameritrains which discusses Marx produced in 90s up until a couple years ago, and Marx for sale. They are all Yahoo groups.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> That's the one!
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:57 PM
> To: S trains
> Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
> there is one?
>
> My Friend Steve is the co owner of a yahoo group for Marx.
>
> Not sure is this link was talked about.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEPHEN EASTMAN
> To: Mike Marmer
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 2:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Does anyone here belong to a Marx group, if
> there is one?
>
>
> Mike
> Here is a link to the group. I am a co-owner/moderator there.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarxTrain/
>
>
> Steve
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60668 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Hi Folks,

I have an operating S-Gauge Flyer mail car and the outside third rail
track attachment. It's a hoot. I also have an older, O-Gauge tinplate
version of that same car in need of some help. Last summer I sought help
on the subject on an all-gauge group. I learned that the contact was
some sort of spring that is no longer available. People making repairs
usually obtain a longer spring of some other sort and cut it down. These
parts are not available from Portlines nor from MEW. Sadly, I have no
knowledge of how the springs should be attached and no knowledge of what
the "special activation track" looks like. The Greenberg book on Flyer
O-Gauge has nothing to say except that there is such a thing.



Does anyone have a photo of the bottom of a working, O-Gauge Mail Car
number 492?

Does anyone have a photo of the special activation track?

Is it similar to the one for S-Gauge?



My car has no parts on the bottom; just some broken stubs. The mechanism
works fine when I use alligator clips and there is a loose light socket
rolling around in there as well. If I just knew what these things were
supposed to look like, I am sure I could piece something together. My
preference is to have something that looks like it did once.



Thanks,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60669 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: marx stuff
The plastic Marx cars convert very nicely to S--especially the Santa Fe Cattle Car. Just put flyer trucks on it, and file the bottom of the ends a bit to clear the coupler and you have a very acceptable "new" car for your layout. Same thing for the Big L 027 double-door boxcar (I've suggested to them that they could use that tooling to make a "new" Flyonel car--little to no tooling costs!).
I usually pick junkers out of the under-the-table boxes for these conversions--broken coupler, or trucks--and pass the parts onto some Marx folks (me throw something away?? You haven't seen my place, have you? Look up "Hoarder" in the Dictionary, I'm sure you'll find me there--if you can see through all the boxes. . . .)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60670 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.




632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers. Faded lettering
and no steps. Early version with no journal boxes. Normal warping.
$5



632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but no steps. One missing link coupler. Normal warping.
$5



632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but only one step. One missing journal box. Normal
warping. $6



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in reflected
light. One step is broken off. $3



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers and all four
steps. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in
reflected light. $4



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is strong. Half of one step is missing. Will clean to
Ex-. $8



632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. Lettering
is fairly strong. No steps are missing. Small chip out of the top
of the rim on one side. Will clean to VG+. $7



A
really dirty 640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; has
been converted to knuckle couplers.  A few small spots of paint
loss.  $6



dirty
640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; both trucks are
rusty and one has missing wheels and coupler. $2



640
hopper with black lettering and black weight link couplers. One step
has its tip broken off. $10



640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. Has
original box that has come unglued and flaps are missing from one
end. Car is in Excellent condition $15



640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10



640
hopper with white lettering and brass weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10



dirty
640 hopper with white lettering. One truck missing. Coupler is
missing on the other truck. Two missing steps and some letters
incomplete $2



640
Wabash hopper with all four steps. A little rust on both trucks,
barely noticeable on one. Lettering is perfect on one side; scrape
through one leg of the H on the other. Body will clean to Ex-. $30



640
Wabash hopper with one broken step. A little discoloration on one
truck, but I don't think it's rust. Lettering is near perfect on
both sides – small scratches in only a few letters – but it is a
bit faded, not a bright as the other car. Body will clean to VG+.
$25



716
Operating Dump Car. Works properly. 1946 version with center pickup
and Patent number on link coupler. One coupler is broken. Weak C-6.
$20



801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, both on one side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect; a couple of little black dots in both
the B and the O are identical on both sides, which tells me they are
flaws in the stamps used to letter the car. Has four weights glued
inside so it's a good candidate for a coal or gravel load (see
below). Will clean to Ex-. $10



801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect. Will clean to Ex-. $10



801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side, and a broken
crossbar. Lettering is unusually bright and thick; may be
relettered. Has some rust colored paint on one side of both trucks.
VG? $8



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex- if not Ex. $33



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. On one
coupler, the spring that opens it is broken; when closed, it holds
just fine – perfectly good for running on a layout. Ex. $32



940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. Both couplers are broken. $25



Three
add-in coal loads (black) and two gravel loads (gray) for the above
two-bay hoppers. $3 each

924
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with one broken step; otherwise
strong VG $20



dirty
924 Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with a small ding and one
broken step; otherwise VG $17



24209
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper complete; strong VG $75



24230
Peabody hopper with Pikemaster couplers.  It has three missing
steps but otherwise will clean to VG/Ex.  $25












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Group: S-Trains Message: 60671 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert box, stock, and reefer cars for sale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.







pre-war (S-Scale on O-Gauge trucks) 478
boxcar complete with no rust. Stickers show their age but are in
excellent condition. Only a little dirty. Solid VG $20 according to
Doyle’s book



633 unpainted red boxcar with brass
weight link couplers. Has brake wheel and both door nibs. Small chip
out of one corner of one catwalk; so small I almost missed it. Ex-
$28



639 yellow unpainted boxcar. Dirty body
& wheels.  Perfect lettering on one side, the L partly
scratched off on the other side.  One black-weight link coupler;
the other is missing.  Both catwalk ends have one corner chipped
off.  $8



913 Great Northern boxcar with sticker.
Both catwalk ends and both door nibs are intact. One sticker is
near perfect; the other is complete but messy from adhesive and a
couple of letters are incomplete. No brake wheel. Both knuckle
couplers work. Ex- $39



984 New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk
ends and both door nibs are intact. No brake wheel. VG- $60
984
New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk ends and both door nibs are intact.
No brake wheel. VG $70



25081 New York operating boxcar Both
catwalk ends and Pikemaster couplers intact. C-6 $40



9706 New York Central Boxcar. 
C-10 mint; never out of the box. $80




929 stock car. Both couplers work. 
A couple of tiny dings on the body and rust on door latches. No brake
wheel. Ex- $45.






642 painted Tuscan reefer. No rust - a
real beauty! Ex- $45



642 painted Tuscan reefer. Rust on
trucks & frame; otherwise VG $30



802 Illinois Central refrigerator car
Ex- $25



923 Illinois Central refrigerator car
VG- $17
923 Illinois central refrigerator car VG $19



24422 great Northern refrigerator car
Ex- $25
24422 great Northern refrigerator car
with glue on the roof VG $22












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Group: S-Trains Message: 60672 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert misc rolling stock and accessories for sale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.







963 Green-Stripe Washington
Observation Car. VG $100.






648 track cleaning car in original box
with no brackets or pads; otherwise VG $18



936 flat car with wire reel and both
brake wheels; missing one guy wire and middle wheelsets on both
trucks; one coupler broken. Otherwise VG+ $25



971 Mo & Joe lumber unloading
flatcar. This is the rare version painted on black plastic. It
comes with the original button and wood block; repro boards; no
pickup rail. . Legitimate TCA C-7 (Excellent) except for the repro
boards and no pickup rail. $595






977 “rubber man” operating caboose
with a chipped corner on the roof VG $35
740 Handcar in original box; earlier
version; lettering worn off but shadow is visible; doesn’t run
reliably – I think it needs brushes C-6 $75


705 black rail remote uncoupler; dirty
and rust on rail tops; will clean to VG+ $4
705 silver rail remote
uncoupler; slight rust on rail tops; will clean to VG+ $5
705 black rail remote uncoupler. C-7
$6



706 remote uncoupler in original box
$5
706 uncoupler with no box $2



704 Manual Uncoupler C-6 $1 (three of
them)



726 straight rubber roadbed. Four
complete and two with notch cut out for track trip $3 each.



726 straight rubber roadbed cut short
to 7 ties, plus a 1-tie piece. Fits around an uncoupler. $2



769A Aircraft Beacon Tower. Bulb is
burned out so I tested it with a bulb from my layout and it does
work. You may want to replace the beacon head: the aluminum sheath
is no longer a smoothe tube and both lenses are slightly warped. The
smokestack must have gotten lost because the former owner replaced it
with something that looks good. He also cut open the platform at the
top of the ladder to make it look like the tower for Gabe the
Lamplighter. Needs cleaning. $25














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Group: S-Trains Message: 60673 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert Tank Cars for Sale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.









625G Gulf tank car on diecast frame
converted to knuckle couplers; one works well but the other is frozen
in the closed position.  Lettering is perfect. Some white paint
on top of dome.  One Gulf sticker has a little flake missing
above the U and the other has a big chunk out of the F and right
side.  Both are only slightly aged. No broken handrail nibs. 
Rusty handrails, trucks, axles, and coupler weights. One missing
wheelset. $4



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame. One
Gulf sticker complete but aged; other has a scrape on right side.
Scrapes in the tank paint. One broken step; everything in great
shape. This one is only a little dirty. Both knuckle couplers work
fine.  No broken handrail nibs. $12

925 Gulf tank car on
plastic frame. Gulf stickers are complete but aged. Three broken
steps and missing brake wheel; everything else in great shape. This
one is only a little dirty. Both knuckle couplers work fine.  No
broken handrail nibs. $8

926 3-dome Gullf tank car on diecast
frame with all steps, two complete Gulf stickers, lettering perfect
except 3/4 of the top of the T in GATX is scratched off on one side. 
One coupler is broken.  It should clean up very nicely. 
$35



24310 Gulf tank car very dirty.
Lettering is perfect.  One Gulf sticker perfect the other
slightly marred at the bottom. Plastic frame has three broken steps
and one complete step. Brake wheel and one triangle board are
present; the other is missing. There are no handrail nibs broken! The
hand rails are bent but not rusted. $3



24328 unpainted Shell tank car with
brake wheel and both diamond signs. One broken step, one broken
coupler, and one broken handrail nib. Otherwise Excellent. $7






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Group: S-Trains Message: 60674 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars
I have posted a few examples of the Marx 3/16 Tin Litho freight cars with Flyer trucks. (Photos are in acgilbertguy photo folder). As you can see in the pictures, they are quite close to the Flyer cars in size. The caboose is a bit bigger, but the tanker, box car and gondola very very close to the same as the Flyer cars.

Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 60675 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Bill,

The 492 (made in red, green, and Tuscan) had an inverted scalene triangle of
Bakelite, fastened to one lower edge with, I believe, three rivets. A small,
tightly wound, and fairly flexible spring, about 3/4" long, extended out
almost horizontally.

The special track had an insulated (outside) 4th "rail" (actually just an
angle), about 6" long mounted on extended ties - two of the three, IIRC -
there may have been an extra tie. The spring would slide along this angle,
providing the "hot" power leg, when the provided push button was depressed.
Of course there was a pole with cross-arm on which to hang the mailbag.

The 474 (side-dump hopper) and 472 (auto carrier) used the same special
track, but without the pole. Offhand, I cannot think of any other action
cars.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60676 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: marx stuff
In a message dated 6/3/2010 12:51:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
djdewey@... writes:

Big L 027 double-door boxcar (I've suggested to them that they could use
that tooling to make a "new" Flyonel car--little to no tooling costs!).

They have NO toooling costs now, using that reliable 1946 tooling. They
just raise the price a buck or two every year, seems like plenty of people pay
it.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60677 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: New York Central full length coaches for sale
I am going through my collection of full length American Models smooth
sided passenger cars. Some of these car bodies will get converted to
stainless steel cars with kits being offered by Bob McCarthy. I came across a few
cars that might be of special interest to some of you in their current
condition. I will be listing some of these cars later, but right now I am
listing three New York Central coaches:
. . . . .
First, a New York Central coach kit with floor and window inserts in the
box.
Without trucks, the kit is $40 plus shipping. I can offer this with
trucks
and either highrail or scale wheels for an additional $10.
. . . . .
Second, a New York Central coach with windows already inserted (nicely
done).
This is $45 without trucks, plus shipping. I can offer this with trucks
and either highrail or scale wheels for an additional $10.
. . . . .
Third, a unique custom-decorated New York Central Coach. This car is
pullman green with black roof. The lettering and stripes and the number 2620*
(centered) are yellow. I am not personally familiar with this scheme. One
of our famous (or infamous) NYC s scalers says this paint scheme may be of
some cars used in commuter service. There are two stripes, one above the
windows and one below. Except for being yellow the stripes look just like
the striping on the two-tone gray cars. The windows are complete but not
glued in. One more nice thing about this car is the way the windows have
been painted with silver to represent the seals. The modeler who decorated
this car did a really nice job. This car is $48 plus shipping without
trucks. I can offer this with trucks and either highrail or scale wheels for an
additional $10.

* My Wayner book says car 2620 was a 56 seat chair car built by
Pullman-Standard, part of an order of 45 cars (2600-2644) built August-October 1941).

I will offer free shipping to anyone who purchases all three cars.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60678 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars
Nice work there, Rich. It seems like a simple way to expand the Flyer
fleet.

What did you do with the Marx trucks you removed?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of acgilbertguy
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars

I have posted a few examples of the Marx 3/16 Tin Litho freight cars
with Flyer trucks. (Photos are in acgilbertguy photo folder). As you
can see in the pictures, they are quite close to the Flyer cars in size.
The caboose is a bit bigger, but the tanker, box car and gondola very
very close to the same as the Flyer cars.

Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 60679 From: Michael Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Displaying antique AF train sets
I have a 1950 vintage American Flyer Santa Fe Super Chief set, A-B and
3 aluminum passenger cars which I want to display. Can anyone in the
group give me some tips on where I can purchase the following:
1. S gauge track with a realistic road bed, like Tru Scale in HO.
1. Acrylic or Glass cases in S gauge size, the O scale cases are out of
proportion to display the train properly.
Thanks to all in advance.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60680 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Thanks Dick. I ought to be able to fabricate something that would work
and I'll keep my eye out for one of the real things.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Hosmer
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:05 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version

Bill,

The 492 (made in red, green, and Tuscan) had an inverted scalene
triangle of
Bakelite, fastened to one lower edge with, I believe, three rivets. A
small,
tightly wound, and fairly flexible spring, about 3/4" long, extended out
almost horizontally.

The special track had an insulated (outside) 4th "rail" (actually just
an
angle), about 6" long mounted on extended ties - two of the three, IIRC
-
there may have been an extra tie. The spring would slide along this
angle,
providing the "hot" power leg, when the provided push button was
depressed.
Of course there was a pole with cross-arm on which to hang the mailbag.

The 474 (side-dump hopper) and 472 (auto carrier) used the same special
track, but without the pole. Offhand, I cannot think of any other action
cars.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 60681 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
<<<People making repairs
usually obtain a longer spring of some other sort and cut it down. These
parts are not available from Portlines nor from MEW>>>



I've actually been successful at using an EP5 pantograph spring for this
repair.

They are available.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60682 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
<< 1. S gauge track with a realistic road bed, like Tru Scale in HO.>>

How about S-Trax?

http://www.showcaseline.com/track/TrackOverview.html


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60683 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
S-Helper Service and American Models both make realistic S-Gauge track.
Don't know about display cases
Steve...SnS Trains...Boise


In a message dated 06/04/2010 11:49:35 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
walling_m_i@... writes:




I have a 1950 vintage American Flyer Santa Fe Super Chief set, A-B and
3 aluminum passenger cars which I want to display. Can anyone in the
group give me some tips on where I can purchase the following:
1. S gauge track with a realistic road bed, like Tru Scale in HO.
1. Acrylic or Glass cases in S gauge size, the O scale cases are out of
proportion to display the train properly.
Thanks to all in advance.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60684 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Excellent!

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Peck
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:24 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version

<<<People making repairs
usually obtain a longer spring of some other sort and cut it down. These
parts are not available from Portlines nor from MEW>>>



I've actually been successful at using an EP5 pantograph spring for this
repair.

They are available.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 60685 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars
Bill,

Thanks for the compliment. At the time I made the conversion I was repairing a Marx set for a guy in the area. The cars he had were in good shape except for the trucks that were all rusty. Thus, the trucks from my Marx cars found a good home.

Rich

In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Nice work there, Rich. It seems like a simple way to expand the Flyer
> fleet.
>
> What did you do with the Marx trucks you removed?
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of acgilbertguy
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Marx 3/16 Tin Litho Freight Cars
>
> I have posted a few examples of the Marx 3/16 Tin Litho freight cars
> with Flyer trucks. (Photos are in acgilbertguy photo folder). As you
> can see in the pictures, they are quite close to the Flyer cars in size.
> The caboose is a bit bigger, but the tanker, box car and gondola very
> very close to the same as the Flyer cars.
>
> Rich
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60686 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
SHS S-Trax is a good candidate. You could use some sectional pieces or
the flex track without flexing it.

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:21 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Displaying antique AF train sets

I have a 1950 vintage American Flyer Santa Fe Super Chief set, A-B and
3 aluminum passenger cars which I want to display. Can anyone in the
group give me some tips on where I can purchase the following:
1. S gauge track with a realistic road bed, like Tru Scale in HO.
1. Acrylic or Glass cases in S gauge size, the O scale cases are out of
proportion to display the train properly.
Thanks to all in advance.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60687 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Rail Scope - Alternatives
Hi All,

I have two alternatives I have used to make videos from a moving AF train.

One is using a hand held Canon FS200 digital video camcorder. It fits on an AF flat car and is pretty stable as long as you keep the train speed down. If you go too fast the camcorder will slide off the flat car - this works good if you're trying to record a train wreck! With this option you get both video and audio.

The other is using a wireless video camera I got on eBay. It is small and is powered by a 9 volt battery, so you could fit it into a junker locomotive with a little bit of tweaking. It transmits a signal to a receiver that you attach to either a TV or a VCR. Unfortunately I have the video only version without audio, but the video is really nice quality. I think it cost me around $30 delivered 4 or 5 years ago. I seem to remember seeing an audio and video version at a train show a couple of years ago for around $100. You could probably get this one for less $ on eBay.

I prefer the camcorder because you can immediately download the video to a computer and, if it's a good one, upload it to YouTube!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60688 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Displaying antique AF train sets
You can do a Google search for "model train display case" and find a lot of different type display cases including wooden ones with sliding glass doors. You may have to check several sites before you find one with S-gauge cases, but I've seen several so I know they can be found using Google.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60689 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
I do have a card for someone who makes display cases, as he will grove the wood out for the wheels.

Using Gargraves track for display is great, as you don't need the ballast on it. It looks wonderful.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Displaying antique AF train sets



SHS S-Trax is a good candidate. You could use some sectional pieces or
the flex track without flexing it.

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:21 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Displaying antique AF train sets

I have a 1950 vintage American Flyer Santa Fe Super Chief set, A-B and
3 aluminum passenger cars which I want to display. Can anyone in the
group give me some tips on where I can purchase the following:
1. S gauge track with a realistic road bed, like Tru Scale in HO.
1. Acrylic or Glass cases in S gauge size, the O scale cases are out of
proportion to display the train properly.
Thanks to all in advance.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60690 From: George Cohn Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
On 6/4/2010 7:49 PM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> I do have a card for someone who makes display cases, as he will grove
> the wood out for the wheels.

Once upon a time I made a display shelf for an AF set by just ripping
some wood with angled sides and cutting two grooves in it with my table
saw for the "tracks."

I painted it flat black and it sat on top of a bookshelf for years and
looked nice.

Now I just use original AF track with rubber roadbed. It looks great
and is relatively inexpensive.

Haven't tried display cases but I did build a display wall shelf that
holds 10 sets and is about 6 feet long by 4 feet high. Some day I need
to add glass doors to keep the dust from settling on the sets.
http://tinyurl.com/yvxtzz

Actually, building a plastic display case wouldn't require that many
more skills once you cut the plastic and wood to size.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60691 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Displaying antique AF train sets
As others have mentioned, you are describing S-Helper Service
S-Trax....realistic S-gauge track on simulated roadbed.

Six 10" pieces to a box (also available in 15: pieces), or we also sell
it by the separate piece.



As for display cases, you will find a LINK on our website to
"Superdisplays". (Last link on the page).

We do not carry these, but I am familiar with them, and was located
right across from them at York this spring.

They are VERY nice quality, and reasonably priced...... Many options, or
custom.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60692 From: richs009 Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Rail Scope - Alternatives
Most digital cameras have a 'movie' mode, which is what I used. I have a Pentax Optio M40, which is an 8 Megapixel camera. Even though the camera is small, when turned to 'portrait' mode, it wouldn't fit through my AF bridge, so I built a wooden holder mounted on an old caboose chassis that held the camera off the front of the chassis (about a 1 cm clearance above the rails). To counterbalance the weight, I mounted a tender weight on the other end.

The camera has some image stabilization, which helps. It also records sound, though a lot of it is track noise (clickety clack). The one other trick is to try to figure out what focus distance to use, as I was shooting with only available light plus a halogen worklight shining on the white ceiling of my dining room (temporary location of my winter 2010 train set up). Rather than use the autofocus mode (I figured that the camera wouldn't know what to do with the constantly changing image), I set it manually to about 1 m, which seems to have worked pretty well.

I downloaded the files to my Mac and used Apple's Movie app for the editing. For an amateur, that app worked great and its fairly easy to use in its simplest form.

If any one is interested, I can try to post a picture of the camera car.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have two alternatives I have used to make videos from a moving AF train.
>
> One is using a hand held Canon FS200 digital video camcorder. It fits on an AF flat car and is pretty stable as long as you keep the train speed down. If you go too fast the camcorder will slide off the flat car - this works good if you're trying to record a train wreck! With this option you get both video and audio.
>
> The other is using a wireless video camera I got on eBay. It is small and is powered by a 9 volt battery, so you could fit it into a junker locomotive with a little bit of tweaking. It transmits a signal to a receiver that you attach to either a TV or a VCR. Unfortunately I have the video only version without audio, but the video is really nice quality. I think it cost me around $30 delivered 4 or 5 years ago. I seem to remember seeing an audio and video version at a train show a couple of years ago for around $100. You could probably get this one for less $ on eBay.
>
> I prefer the camcorder because you can immediately download the video to a computer and, if it's a good one, upload it to YouTube!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60693 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
I have one of these with S scale spacing and it is very well made. Good
product

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 6/5/2010 7:27 AM, Doug Peck wrote:
>
>
> As for display cases, you will find a LINK on our website to
> "Superdisplays". (Last link on the page).
>
> We do not carry these, but I am familiar with them, and was located
> right across from them at York this spring.
>
> They are VERY nice quality, and reasonably priced...... Many options, or
> custom.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60694 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/6/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60695 From: Roger Delthony Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
At the bottom of the triangular piece of Bakelite which is riveted to the side of the car, a 1/4"x1/4" metal piece with a 1/16"x~3/16" tab extending off the center of it's end is riveted to the inside of the Bakelite. The tab points down and was bent 90' up to the outside and projects through a semi-circular notch in the bottom of the triangle. The pickup spring was slipped over the tab and soldered in position. The wire to the solenoid in the car is soldered to the 1/4"x1/4" piece on the inside of the Bakelite.

Generally the spring breaks off right at the end of the solder on the tab. If you look closely at the solder on the tab you should see a remnant of the spring there.

The auto unloading car has springs on both sides and the mail car on one side only. I don't have a hopper car, so I don't know about that - could be both sides as on the auto unloading car.

Several years ago I was interested in restoring these cars, and I measured the spring diameter, wire diameter,and bought some springs. The minimum order gave me enough to do many many cars.

If anyone would like to restore these cars, tell me how many of which cars you're doing, give me your mailing address, and I'll mail you the springs.


Roger Delthony
rpd5@...
EarthLink Revolves Around You.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60696 From: boblines51 Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Glue
I just bought an old wooden car kit and would like to know what the best glue to use on the kit. I am going to put on track and pull it with other cars,so it has to stay together. Bob Persing
Group: S-Trains Message: 60697 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: RE; Glue
For wood to wood bonding, plain old "white glue" such as Elmers works fine. It is cheap, plentiful, and works great on woods and other pourous materials in old kits. If used too liberally, it can warp cardstock and thin balsa, so go easy on those surfaces.
The drawback with white glue is a long drying time. On the other hand, you'll find that wood kits are best done if you take your time.
ACC or "Crazy Glues" are about worthless for long term bonding of wood unless you use the slow drying, gel types. Even then I don't care for them for kit or scratchbuilding in wood.
Epoxies will work on just about anything, and can be used to attach disimilar materials like metal detail castings to wood car frames. Years ago, we would have used Ambroid Cement, long out of production and superceded by Walther's Goo. Goo is appropriately named, but a handy product just the same, and less expensive and easier to deal with than epoxies.
Wood kits for wood prototype cars have a realism and a character all their own that plastic or resin cannot duplicate without a LOT of extra attention. have fun!
Stumpy Stone...old style modeller in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60698 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Bob,

White glue like Elmer's works great on a wood kit, use it sparingly and clean up any mess as you go...put a puddle of it on a piece of paper or cardboard and use a small piece of basswood to transfer it to the model parts. What kit is it?

gale hall----- Original Message -----
From: boblines51
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Glue



I just bought an old wooden car kit and would like to know what the best glue to use on the kit. I am going to put on track and pull it with other cars,so it has to stay together. Bob Persing





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60699 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version
Thanks Roger,
That is some excellent information. It will be committed to the
reference file.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Roger Delthony
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Mail Car - The O-Gauge Version

At the bottom of the triangular piece of Bakelite which is riveted to
the side of the car, a 1/4"x1/4" metal piece with a 1/16"x~3/16" tab
extending off the center of it's end is riveted to the inside of the
Bakelite. The tab points down and was bent 90' up to the outside and
projects through a semi-circular notch in the bottom of the triangle.
The pickup spring was slipped over the tab and soldered in position. The
wire to the solenoid in the car is soldered to the 1/4"x1/4" piece on
the inside of the Bakelite.

Generally the spring breaks off right at the end of the solder on the
tab. If you look closely at the solder on the tab you should see a
remnant of the spring there.

The auto unloading car has springs on both sides and the mail car on one
side only. I don't have a hopper car, so I don't know about that - could
be both sides as on the auto unloading car.

Several years ago I was interested in restoring these cars, and I
measured the spring diameter, wire diameter,and bought some springs. The
minimum order gave me enough to do many many cars.

If anyone would like to restore these cars, tell me how many of which
cars you're doing, give me your mailing address, and I'll mail you the
springs.


Roger Delthony
rpd5@...
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60700 From: rapidrail1 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Roping off
I am working on a portable layout(s) to take to shows. I'm going to put shelving under the table (rather than skirting) to display the cars that are not running on the layout. Therefore, for the first time, I'm going to rope off my layout. I have been bouncing around several ideas for creating a roping off system. It needs to be cheap, simple, light (for hauling in the trailer)and cheap. Did I say that already? Can someone write a description on how they made some. Better yet, some drawings would ge great. Thanks.

Wayne Beachy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60701 From: Nick and Becky Colleran Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Railscope FOR SALE
I have the electronics for the Railscope system, if anyone is
interested. It's new,
and complete except for the little television. Yours for $25
delivered cost in USA .
Nick Colleran <colleran@...>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60702 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/6/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60703 From: Jerry Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Box found after Spring Spree: attention dealers!
Gents,

While examining the contents of the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers
display layout trailer, I found a box containing some items. If you
could describe the box, or its contents, we'll try to make arrangements
to have it returned to you. In the haste of dismantling the layout,
somehow, the box found its way into the trailer. This happened towards
the end of the event. Boxes were stacked near the large cargo door at
the rear of the venue.

If any of you who know of any Spree dealer or attendant not on this list
who is missing a box of items, please relay this message.

Jerry Poniatowski
(former) Registrar 2010 Spring S Spree
Dearborn, MI


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60704 From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Railscope FOR SALE
Nick

how does this work Ive heard of it but I do no ever recall seeeing it in action. Is it B&W or color?
How bir ?

Sam W


----- Original Message -----
From: Nick and Becky Colleran
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Railscope FOR SALE



I have the electronics for the Railscope system, if anyone is
interested. It's new,
and complete except for the little television. Yours for $25
delivered cost in USA .
Nick Colleran <colleran@...>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60705 From: Robert A Persing Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Gale
I don't know who made the kit,but it orginaly came fromTrain Stuff in N.J in 1979. It looks a box of scrap wood but will be a gondola. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Gale Hall
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Glue



Bob,

White glue like Elmer's works great on a wood kit, use it sparingly and clean up any mess as you go...put a puddle of it on a piece of paper or cardboard and use a small piece of basswood to transfer it to the model parts. What kit is it?

gale hall----- Original Message -----
From: boblines51
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Glue

I just bought an old wooden car kit and would like to know what the best glue to use on the kit. I am going to put on track and pull it with other cars,so it has to stay together. Bob Persing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60706 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Roping off
In 1977, I faced the same challenge, although in preparation for a car show. I made six "stantions" and used some of that yellow nylon rope to surround the car.
These stantions were just 3 pound coffee cans filled with Sak-Crete concrete with a 2x2 piece of wood in the center 3 feet tall. If you cut a 2x2" square through the plastic lid, it will hold the wood in place while the concrete sets up. I put an "eye" screw into the top of the 2x2 to run the rope through and painted everything black. total cost was about fifteen dollars.
Each stantion weighed about five pounds or a little more, but it was enough to mark out a "zone" around my car. I used them for many years afterward at car shows and at train shows at shopping malls where the croeds tend to be less knowledgeable and more unruly.
Stumpy Stone...in the semi flooded hills of eastern Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60707 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Engineer's Eye View of the Layout
Hi All,

I posted a video of my camcorder riding around my under construction layout. I also messed around with the movie software and added some titles. I posted it on YouTube and you can view it at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al7bZKdxsnE

While you're there check out some of my other layout videos - 43 and counting!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60708 From: Theodore Weiler Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Roping off
Another option The Trinity Express S Scalers in Dalls used was a pipe flange attached to the module's rails.  Then plastic pipe like used for sprinklers (Threaded on one end with a T glued on the other.   The same rope was used.  At setup screw the Teed pipe into the flange, then thread the rope.  Easy, lightweight quick to set up and take down.

Ted Weiler
Weatherford, TX




________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 7:14:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Roping off

In 1977, I faced the same challenge, although in preparation for a car show.  I made six "stantions" and used some of that yellow nylon rope to surround the car.
These stantions were just 3 pound coffee cans filled with Sak-Crete concrete with a 2x2 piece of wood in the center 3 feet tall.  If you cut a 2x2" square through the plastic lid, it will hold the wood in place while the concrete sets up.  I put an "eye" screw into the top of the 2x2 to run the rope through and painted everything black.  total cost was about fifteen dollars.
Each stantion weighed about five pounds or a little more, but it was enough to mark out a "zone" around my car.  I used them for many years afterward at car shows and at train shows at shopping malls where the croeds tend to be less knowledgeable and more unruly.
Stumpy Stone...in the semi flooded hills of eastern Ahia.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60709 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Roping off
Surprized that in the US - the home of litigation, that they allow
these barriers. they are banned by show organizers down here in Oz
because of insurance issues. Kid leans too far on rope and falls
heavily. stand falls over on spectator etc. To pass they have to be
light courtesy barriers or completely immovable (ie bolted to the
floor). Alistair
On Mon 7/06/10 9:44 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent:
In 1977, I faced the same challenge, although in preparation for a
car show. I made six "stantions" and used some of that yellow nylon
rope to surround the car.
These stantions were just 3 pound coffee cans filled with Sak-Crete
concrete with a 2x2 piece of wood in the center 3 feet tall. If you
cut a 2x2" square through the plastic lid, it will hold the wood in
place while the concrete sets up. I put an "eye" screw into the top
of the 2x2 to run the rope through and painted everything black.
total cost was about fifteen dollars.
Each stantion weighed about five pounds or a little more, but it was
enough to mark out a "zone" around my car. I used them for many years
afterward at car shows and at train shows at shopping malls where the
croeds tend to be less knowledgeable and more unruly.
Stumpy Stone...in the semi flooded hills of eastern Ahia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60710 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Bob,

Is it really a Trainstuff kit, is there resin pieces. Trainstuff made two gondolas, a Rock and a SOO Line, both resin kits.. About the only all wood gondola kits at that time were our PRR G-22 and a Milw Road composite gondola...well ok there was one other a Missouri Pacific panel side gondola. If you are dealing with a resin kit, we need to talk more about glue...don't use white glue on a resin kit...except sticking wood parts together.

gale
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert A Persing
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Glue



Gale
I don't know who made the kit,but it orginaly came fromTrain Stuff in N.J in 1979. It looks a box of scrap wood but will be a gondola. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Gale Hall
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Glue

Bob,

White glue like Elmer's works great on a wood kit, use it sparingly and clean up any mess as you go...put a puddle of it on a piece of paper or cardboard and use a small piece of basswood to transfer it to the model parts. What kit is it?

gale hall----- Original Message -----
From: boblines51
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Glue

I just bought an old wooden car kit and would like to know what the best glue to use on the kit. I am going to put on track and pull it with other cars,so it has to stay together. Bob Persing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60711 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Re: Train Stuff kit
Robin and I owned Train Stuff when the 52'6" Thrall gondola's were
produced. We made two roadnames, Rock Island and Soo Line. The sides
were styrene resin as well as the ends. I think that Dick Lind made
the side patterns for us and we got the end patterns from Gale Hall (I
think). The floor and cross members were bass wood from Northeastern
and the brake gear from Liberty Models. I think we made 100 of each
roadname with Herald King making the decals. The trucks were from Ace
and they were intended for KD #5 couplers or AF repro couplers made by
Harry Gordon. That is all I can think of now. They did include a
sheet of instructions. These were produced in the late 70's or very
early 80's
Don

On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Robert A Persing wrote:

> Gale
> I don't know who made the kit,but it orginaly came fromTrain Stuff
> in N.J in 1979. It looks a box of scrap wood but will be a gondola.
> Bob
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60712 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 6/6/2010
Subject: Dispatch email
Don't use the old hotmail account for the Dispatch -- been compromised. new
one for me or the NASG Dispatch is: nasgdispatch@...

Anything from old one is spam. I think we have the Yahoo groups fixed up
for the gmail account though

Sorry, Jeff Madden


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60713 From: David Engle Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: Re: Glue
Yep, I have 4 of them, still in boxes. The prototype was intended to be ROCK blue; there was no equivalent RI Tuscan prototype. Bankrupt Blue is beyond my frame of reference. DJE

----- Original Message -----
From: Gale Hall
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Glue



Bob,

Is it really a Trainstuff kit, is there resin pieces. Trainstuff made two gondolas, a Rock and a SOO Line, both resin kits.. About the only all wood gondola kits at that time were our PRR G-22 and a Milw Road composite gondola...well ok there was one other a Missouri Pacific panel side gondola. If you are dealing with a resin kit, we need to talk more about glue...don't use white glue on a resin kit...except sticking wood parts together.

gale
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert A Persing
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Glue

Gale
I don't know who made the kit,but it orginaly came fromTrain Stuff in N.J in 1979. It looks a box of scrap wood but will be a gondola. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Gale Hall
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Glue

Bob,

White glue like Elmer's works great on a wood kit, use it sparingly and clean up any mess as you go...put a puddle of it on a piece of paper or cardboard and use a small piece of basswood to transfer it to the model parts. What kit is it?

gale hall----- Original Message -----
From: boblines51
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Glue

I just bought an old wooden car kit and would like to know what the best glue to use on the kit. I am going to put on track and pull it with other cars,so it has to stay together. Bob Persing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60714 From: Robert A Persing Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: Re: Train Stuff kit
You are right it is the Rock gondola with flyer couplers . Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Stuff kit



Robin and I owned Train Stuff when the 52'6" Thrall gondola's were
produced. We made two roadnames, Rock Island and Soo Line. The sides
were styrene resin as well as the ends. I think that Dick Lind made
the side patterns for us and we got the end patterns from Gale Hall (I
think). The floor and cross members were bass wood from Northeastern
and the brake gear from Liberty Models. I think we made 100 of each
roadname with Herald King making the decals. The trucks were from Ace
and they were intended for KD #5 couplers or AF repro couplers made by
Harry Gordon. That is all I can think of now. They did include a
sheet of instructions. These were produced in the late 70's or very
early 80's
Don

On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Robert A Persing wrote:

> Gale
> I don't know who made the kit,but it orginaly came fromTrain Stuff
> in N.J in 1979. It looks a box of scrap wood but will be a gondola.
> Bob
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60715 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: Re: Engineer's Eye View of the Layout
I like it.

Thanks,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Engineer's Eye View of the Layout


Hi All,

I posted a video of my camcorder riding around my under construction
layout. I also messed around with the movie software and added some
titles. I posted it on YouTube and you can view it at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al7bZKdxsnE

While you're there check out some of my other layout videos - 43 and
counting!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60716 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/7/2010
Subject: 12 Locos
Coming back on the DC Metro, from a Nationals Game yesterday, the tracks in MD to Shady Grove are along a CSX route.

There was a string of CSX's locos going north with no cars behind it. The string was 12 locos long. Must be going back somewhere to a freight yard.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60717 From: mike Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: 771 stockyard problem
hi all, I have a 771 stockyard. ebeything is their and nothing broken. The only problem is the cows wont travel up the ramp into the cattle car. i have no idea what to do. thanks, mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 60718 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Hi Mike,

Is the pad on the ramp? If so, is the pad on the ramp vibrating? I assume you have the gate open to allow the cattle to enter the ramp!

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <civicman_97@...> wrote:
>
> hi all, I have a 771 stockyard. ebeything is their and nothing broken. The only problem is the cows wont travel up the ramp into the cattle car. i have no idea what to do. thanks, mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60719 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Fw: New Train Song
Linda keeps me informed of all train songs she hears on the CBC 2 that she listens to at work. CBC is Canadian Broadcast Corporation I believe.

I have no idea about the song, might be on youtube.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Marmer, Linda
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: New Train Song


From CBC:

WHICH WAY DOES THE M & O RUN
Time Aired: 3:50 PM

SOUTHERN JUMBO
album:
TRUE NORTH
label:
PERFORMER: COLIN LINDEN
COMPOSER: COLIN LINDEN

credits:


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60720 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Stephen Strasburg
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/280103671/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=521&count=20&dir=asc

Stephen Strasburg might be a little late today for his first pitching appearance for the Washington Nationals, as he got caught in a traffic jam today leaving D&K RR town after throwing some pitches at S Helper Field, where the Nationals minor league low minus A team plays, The Pinheads. Usually the minors are low A, A, AA and AAA but this is a special low minus A team.

A special Nationals car with all the drink em ups and eat em ups are on board for Mr. Strasburg.

However the police officer is saying that he has to wait his turn to go on to the turnpike exit to Washington DC.

Reporting live at D&K RR,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60721 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Foam Roadway
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1366230105/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=521&count=20&dir=asc

Almost done with the foam roadway for the last building, then landscaping.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60722 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
And don't forget to lower the ramp down to the car floor.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 12:45:36 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 771 stockyard problem






Hi Mike,

Is the pad on the ramp? If so, is the pad on the ramp vibrating? I assume you have the gate open to allow the cattle to enter the ramp!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "mike" <civicman_97@...> wrote:
>
> hi all, I have a 771 stockyard. ebeything is their and nothing broken. The only problem is the cows wont travel up the ramp into the cattle car. i have no idea what to do. thanks, mike
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60723 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Hi Mike,
One more thing. Make sure the head of the cow is going the direction to face the ramp.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, mike <civicman_97@...> wrote:

From: mike <civicman_97@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 771 stockyard problem
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:41 PM







 









hi all, I have a 771 stockyard. ebeything is their and nothing broken. The only problem is the cows wont travel up the ramp into the cattle car. i have no idea what to do. thanks, mike

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60724 From: Bill Drake Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: New Train Song
Here's an old one -
 
http://artimisia.multiply.com/video/item/159
 
go down to the image and click on the arrow.
 
Bill Drake

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: New Train Song
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "John Picur" <jppicur@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 3:58 PM


 



Linda keeps me informed of all train songs she hears on the CBC 2 that she listens to at work. CBC is Canadian Broadcast Corporation I believe.

I have no idea about the song, might be on youtube.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Marmer, Linda
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: New Train Song

From CBC:

WHICH WAY DOES THE M & O RUN
Time Aired: 3:50 PM

SOUTHERN JUMBO
album:
TRUE NORTH
label:
PERFORMER: COLIN LINDEN
COMPOSER: COLIN LINDEN

credits:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60725 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Hi Mike,
� Make sure the cows are in the correct corral.  If the stockyard is facing you, the black cows go on the left side and the brown cow go on the right side.  Check the ramp material. If it is missing the cows won't go up.  If you have the ramp material, make sure the ramp is in the correct position.  The cows should circle and line up behind each other to go up the ramp.  You should proceed one side at a time.  If the vibration of the mat seems too low, you may want to make it higher.  Even using the correct process the cows may still be difficult to get up the ramp.  Patience my friend.
� Tom Seccia
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, mike <civicman_97@...> wrote:

From: mike <civicman_97@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 771 stockyard problem
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:41 PM







 









hi all, I have a 771 stockyard. ebeything is their and nothing broken. The only problem is the cows wont travel up the ramp into the cattle car. i have no idea what to do. thanks, mike

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60726 From: Jerry Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: Foam Roadway
Nice job, Mike! You're giving me more ideas for that "some day" layout I've been planning for years. Keep it up!

However, due to the 3" of rain we got the other day, and more on the way, I've been forced to put everything from the floor onto my tables to try to keep things from being ruined from the backed up floor drains. Already some things didn't fare too well. Just cardboard and wood for the new tables. The cardboard is expendible, and the wood will dry out. Eventually.

Jerry Poniatowski
Rainy and Wet in Wayne, MI


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> Almost done with the foam roadway for the last building, then landscaping.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60727 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
Hi All,

The smoke unit on my Lionel roadside diner has crapped out. It is a 1988 model 12722. I disassembled it down to the smoke unit housing. There is no part number anywhere. I haven't tried to pull the smoke unit from the housing yet because it will require disassembly of the smoke housing and I don't see an easy way to do that. The Lionel parts site does not have a listing for the smoke unit or even the diner so I guess it's too old for them to list replacement parts. A Google search yeilded no help either.

All that having been said, does anyone have any "L" friends that might lead me to a NOS parts supplier????? Or does anyone know what type smoke unit this may be???? All ideas gladly accepted!

Thanks,

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60728 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: Foam Roadway
Thank you Jerry, as I have been doing some other things the last month.

I forgot to add pictures of the log dump depot.

I will do that.

I am sorry to hear about the rains. I wish you the best with this.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Foam Roadway



Nice job, Mike! You're giving me more ideas for that "some day" layout I've been planning for years. Keep it up!

However, due to the 3" of rain we got the other day, and more on the way, I've been forced to put everything from the floor onto my tables to try to keep things from being ruined from the backed up floor drains. Already some things didn't fare too well. Just cardboard and wood for the new tables. The cardboard is expendible, and the wood will dry out. Eventually.

Jerry Poniatowski
Rainy and Wet in Wayne, MI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> Almost done with the foam roadway for the last building, then landscaping.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60729 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Log Dump Area
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/46850018/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=521&count=20&dir=asc

Log Dump bin I made as I need to add another piece of wood to the side of it. It is repro wood from a 928 car.

The log dump car is DCC.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60730 From: mike jones Date: 6/8/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
The ramp is attached and vibrates. all the cows have the pads. when i have been running it the ramp is down and gate is open. Does the cattle car make a difference? Meaning the one that i have seems to be weak when it vibrates. could this make a difference?
Mike J.
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 771 stockyard problem
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 2:45 PM


 



Hi Mike,

Is the pad on the ramp? If so, is the pad on the ramp vibrating? I assume you have the gate open to allow the cattle to enter the ramp!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <civicman_97@...> wrote:
>
> hi all, I have a 771 stockyard. ebeything is their and nothing broken. The only problem is the cows wont travel up the ramp into the cattle car. i have no idea what to do. thanks, mike
>











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60731 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
The part number is 6102722050 for the element. Lionel does not have them but
some dealers might?
It is a common Seuthe type smoke unit. probably 12-18 volts? It should not
be hard to find a substitue.

The parts breakdown is at
http://www.lionel.com/media/supplements/Supplement13/13Complete.pdf

Check with Walthers?

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:24 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Diner Smoke Unit



Hi All,

The smoke unit on my Lionel roadside diner has crapped out. It is a 1988
model 12722. I disassembled it down to the smoke unit housing. There is no
part number anywhere. I haven't tried to pull the smoke unit from the
housing yet because it will require disassembly of the smoke housing and I
don't see an easy way to do that. The Lionel parts site does not have a
listing for the smoke unit or even the diner so I guess it's too old for
them to list replacement parts. A Google search yeilded no help either.

All that having been said, does anyone have any "L" friends that might
lead me to a NOS parts supplier????? Or does anyone know what type smoke
unit this may be???? All ideas gladly accepted!

Thanks,

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 60732 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
Carl,

Thanks for the information. I located a replacement Lionel smoke unit (using the part number you provided) on a part vendor's website. I'll pull the smoke unit out tonight and see if it has a manufacturer's name and part number. I'll also check for a substitute smoke unit once I know the size of the unit.

Thanks again!

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> The part number is 6102722050 for the element. Lionel does not have them but
> some dealers might?
> It is a common Seuthe type smoke unit. probably 12-18 volts? It should not
> be hard to find a substitue.
>
> The parts breakdown is at
> http://www.lionel.com/media/supplements/Supplement13/13Complete.pdf
>
> Check with Walthers?
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of bull_gator_1
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:24 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> The smoke unit on my Lionel roadside diner has crapped out. It is a 1988
> model 12722. I disassembled it down to the smoke unit housing. There is no
> part number anywhere. I haven't tried to pull the smoke unit from the
> housing yet because it will require disassembly of the smoke housing and I
> don't see an easy way to do that. The Lionel parts site does not have a
> listing for the smoke unit or even the diner so I guess it's too old for
> them to list replacement parts. A Google search yeilded no help either.
>
> All that having been said, does anyone have any "L" friends that might
> lead me to a NOS parts supplier????? Or does anyone know what type smoke
> unit this may be???? All ideas gladly accepted!
>
> Thanks,
>
> BG1
>
>
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>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60733 From: Scott Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: PA Service Help
Hey,
I was wondering if people can give me some tips or steps to service a double-motored PA. I do not know the number since it has a custom paint scheme. I have an exploded parts diagram, I just don't know how to go about doing it. Send me an email at scottmmiller1@... with any tips. Thanks for your time.

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 60734 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: 771 stockyard problem
Mike,

The cows should climb the ramp without the cattle car in place, so the car has nothing to do with them climbing the ramp. You may need to increase the amount of vibration in the stockyard. How fast do the cows move around in the pens?

I'll try to make and post a video of my cattle loader tonight so you can get an idea of how much vibration it needs.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike jones <civicman_97@...> wrote:
>
> The ramp is attached and vibrates. all the cows have the pads. when i have been running it the ramp is down and gate is open. Does the cattle car make a difference? Meaning the one that i have seems to be weak when it vibrates. could this make a difference?
> Mike J.
> --- On Tue, 6/8/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 771 stockyard problem
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 2:45 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Is the pad on the ramp? If so, is the pad on the ramp vibrating? I assume you have the gate open to allow the cattle to enter the ramp!
>
> BG1
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <civicman_97@> wrote:
> >
> > hi all, I have a 771 stockyard. ebeything is their and nothing broken. The only problem is the cows wont travel up the ramp into the cattle car. i have no idea what to do. thanks, mike
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60735 From: Michael Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Displaying antique AF train sets
THANKS VERY, VERY MUCH, to everyone who replied to my query. I appreciate that you all took the time to consider the problem, and type in an answer. I'm checking out all the suggestions and hope to have my Santa Fe set proudly displayed soon. Fwiw, I'm the original owner, got it as a Xmas present in 1949, and am looking forward to stupefying my grandchildren with, as the Boss wrote, "boring stories of. . . "
Group: S-Trains Message: 60736 From: Scott Davidson Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Stephen Strasburg....
Mike,



Is David Clyde the pitching coach or the pin heads?....





Scott Dee



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 04:24 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Stephen Strasburg





http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/280103671/
view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/280103671
/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=521&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=521&count=20&dir=asc

Stephen Strasburg might be a little late today for his first pitching
appearance for the Washington Nationals, as he got caught in a traffic jam
today leaving D&K RR town after throwing some pitches at S Helper Field,
where the Nationals minor league low minus A team plays, The Pinheads.
Usually the minors are low A, A, AA and AAA but this is a special low minus
A team.

A special Nationals car with all the drink em ups and eat em ups are on
board for Mr. Strasburg.

However the police officer is saying that he has to wait his turn to go on
to the turnpike exit to Washington DC.

Reporting live at D&K RR,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60737 From: ekaplan707 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
Toy Train Heaven in Pennsylvania carries the complete line of Seuthe smoke elements. See if you can find the one you need on their web site.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> The part number is 6102722050 for the element. Lionel does not have them but
> some dealers might?
> It is a common Seuthe type smoke unit. probably 12-18 volts? It should not
> be hard to find a substitue.
>
> The parts breakdown is at
> http://www.lionel.com/media/supplements/Supplement13/13Complete.pdf
>
> Check with Walthers?
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of bull_gator_1
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:24 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Diner Smoke Unit
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> The smoke unit on my Lionel roadside diner has crapped out. It is a 1988
> model 12722. I disassembled it down to the smoke unit housing. There is no
> part number anywhere. I haven't tried to pull the smoke unit from the
> housing yet because it will require disassembly of the smoke housing and I
> don't see an easy way to do that. The Lionel parts site does not have a
> listing for the smoke unit or even the diner so I guess it's too old for
> them to list replacement parts. A Google search yeilded no help either.
>
> All that having been said, does anyone have any "L" friends that might
> lead me to a NOS parts supplier????? Or does anyone know what type smoke
> unit this may be???? All ideas gladly accepted!
>
> Thanks,
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60738 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Hi All,

I posted a video of the 771 stockyard on YouTube. You can view it at the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tVL_cXyHQ

I didn't put the stock car in place so you can see the cattle climb the loading ramp without needing the stock car.

Enjoy!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60739 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: Corrugated Box Company is in place for good
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1461302839/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=521&count=20&dir=asc



The box company is in place and landscaping on one side is down. Parking spaces made, roadway trimmed.

Already cases of boxes are in production as Hugo and Che have to make up for loss means of production in the global economy of high profit boxes.

A stray cat is on the loading dock.

Speaking of cats, I cut 16 cat walk ways for the baseball lights, to be behind the light arms for some poor soul to change the bulbs as they burn out. Safety is always number one with the Pinheads baseball team.

The W signs are finally completed, as I got all the W's blacken, as they will be trimmed down and put near each RR crossing.

Back stop was moved but not glued down yet.

Pictures are not in order.

Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60740 From: Tom Hawley Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Fw: James E. Strates Carnival Train (NS 048)
If you like circus trains you might like a carnival train too. Click it out. Tom Hawley
----- Original Message -----
From: William Todd

http://members.trainorders.com/bucky1986/



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60741 From: Ben Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Carousel truck
Hello-

I got an ACME carousel truck but it is missing its roof and the center support pole is broken. On the bright side, it has the very early light blue and translucent red and yellow animals.

I am thinking of trying to make the "tent" roof out of styrene and a heat gun, but thought I would ask if anyone has spare parts around?

Thanks. Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 60742 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
I was looking at David's video of the cows and then I went downstairs. Linda wanted to know what was wrong with the computer as she heard this noise coming from the computer room.

David, the cows move great. How many watts is this unit getting and the feet look new. So do the cows. Are they new and if so, where did you get the new feet and/or cows from.

Your cows move to good they need to revolve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Your cows need to watch this video.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard Video Posted



Hi All,

I posted a video of the 771 stockyard on YouTube. You can view it at the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tVL_cXyHQ

I didn't put the stock car in place so you can see the cattle climb the loading ramp without needing the stock car.

Enjoy!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60743 From: David Engle Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: James E. Strates Carnival Train (NS 048)
Can anyone identify that baggage car that is 4th car back, but is not separately photographed here? DJE
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: James E. Strates Carnival Train (NS 048)



If you like circus trains you might like a carnival train too. Click it out. Tom Hawley
----- Original Message -----
From: William Todd

http://members.trainorders.com/bucky1986/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60744 From: mike Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: SIT bellows to cylinder parts
hey all. i need the conversion kit from bellows to cylinder. I would order it from port line but they are closed this week and i need it next week. does anyone know where else i can order the conversion kit? if any of you all supply parts and have the conversion kit i would buy it from you. Thanks all.
Mike J.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60745 From: A E Johnson Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
Robert,



I have been trying to think of a way to contact you without talking our business online.

Contact me at bigfoot@.... Give me a one price takes all. Include in your price shipping and insurance



A. E. Johnson









From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:21 PM
To: Sgauge Available; s-trains@...
Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale








I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse! Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers. Faded lettering
and no steps. Early version with no journal boxes. Normal warping.
$5

632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but no steps. One missing link coupler. Normal warping.
$5

632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but only one step. One missing journal box. Normal
warping. $6

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in reflected
light. One step is broken off. $3

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers and all four
steps. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in
reflected light. $4

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is strong. Half of one step is missing. Will clean to
Ex-. $8

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. Lettering
is fairly strong. No steps are missing. Small chip out of the top
of the rim on one side. Will clean to VG+. $7

A
really dirty 640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; has
been converted to knuckle couplers. A few small spots of paint
loss. $6

dirty
640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; both trucks are
rusty and one has missing wheels and coupler. $2

640
hopper with black lettering and black weight link couplers. One step
has its tip broken off. $10

640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. Has
original box that has come unglued and flaps are missing from one
end. Car is in Excellent condition $15

640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10

640
hopper with white lettering and brass weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10

dirty
640 hopper with white lettering. One truck missing. Coupler is
missing on the other truck. Two missing steps and some letters
incomplete $2

640
Wabash hopper with all four steps. A little rust on both trucks,
barely noticeable on one. Lettering is perfect on one side; scrape
through one leg of the H on the other. Body will clean to Ex-. $30

640
Wabash hopper with one broken step. A little discoloration on one
truck, but I don't think it's rust. Lettering is near perfect on
both sides – small scratches in only a few letters – but it is a
bit faded, not a bright as the other car. Body will clean to VG+.
$25

716
Operating Dump Car. Works properly. 1946 version with center pickup
and Patent number on link coupler. One coupler is broken. Weak C-6.
$20

801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, both on one side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect; a couple of little black dots in both
the B and the O are identical on both sides, which tells me they are
flaws in the stamps used to letter the car. Has four weights glued
inside so it's a good candidate for a coal or gravel load (see
below). Will clean to Ex-. $10

801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect. Will clean to Ex-. $10

801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side, and a broken
crossbar. Lettering is unusually bright and thick; may be
relettered. Has some rust colored paint on one side of both trucks.
VG? $8

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex- if not Ex. $33

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. On one
coupler, the spring that opens it is broken; when closed, it holds
just fine – perfectly good for running on a layout. Ex. $32

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. Both couplers are broken. $25

Three
add-in coal loads (black) and two gravel loads (gray) for the above
two-bay hoppers. $3 each

924
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with one broken step; otherwise
strong VG $20

dirty
924 Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with a small ding and one
broken step; otherwise VG $17

24209
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper complete; strong VG $75

24230
Peabody hopper with Pikemaster couplers. It has three missing
steps but otherwise will clean to VG/Ex. $25

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60746 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: SIT bellows to cylinder parts
Fred's train parts has the cylinders and pistons but not the clips.
Steve
SnS Trains...Boise


In a message dated 06/10/2010 9:10:21 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
civicman_97@... writes:




hey all. i need the conversion kit from bellows to cylinder. I would order
it from port line but they are closed this week and i need it next week.
does anyone know where else i can order the conversion kit? if any of you all
supply parts and have the conversion kit i would buy it from you. Thanks
all.
Mike J.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60747 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: Re: This week at SHS
This week at SHS�

We want to thank everyone who came to our annual Open House. The
weather was hot and humid, but not rainy like last year. We would
also like to thank Jay Soberman who gave a prototype lecture on NYC's
Penn Station. Also Will and Kelly Holt who drove from �The Land of
Lincoln� to lend a hand. Thank you all.

We expect a shipment of 1/64th scale (item #32305) Great Northern
Railway Motor Freight White/Freightliner COE Tractor w/ replica 40�
Refrigerated Trailer next week. To learn more about them including a
picture of the model please check our home page at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/

Next container�.

We expect a shipment from our builder to leave next week with our new
reefers and rebuilt boxcars. We still have some Nickel Plate Road
boxcars, but the SAL, GN boxcars as well as the Baby Ruth reefers are
now sold out. Please check with our hobby shops. The Nickel Plate
Road boxcars can be ordered at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html

Our new shipment of hoppers arrived a few weeks ago. This included
composite and USRA two bay open top hoppers� For the USRA we are
offering B&O (large letter scheme), Reading (new numbers) and another
run of Waddells (I think this will be the 4th run).

For the composite, new numbers for the AT&SF, C&O, CB&Q, PRR and LV

Advance orders have been shipped, if you haven�t already ordered your
cars (some are already in short supply), you can do so at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers_in_stock.html

http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html

So far the best sellers are the Waddell (no surprise here) and the new
B&O scheme. For the composite, we are selling a surprising number of
AT&SF.

The 2010 Christmas Car is going quickly with over 95% reserved. This
is the fastest these have been reserved. We are still taking
reservations of $15 for these cars. The car is a D&H blue and yellow
Bethlehem Steel two bay open top hopper. We have not made a final
decision on the load. The prototype was used to haul recycled glass
and we are trying to procure this type of load.. If you reserve your
car now with a deposit, this will lock in the current price. You can
order as well as see an image of the decorations of this car on our
home page at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/

I hope to see everyone in Duluth next month for the NASG convention.
We hope to have samples of our new fishbelly hoppers to display at the
Big Show.

Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60748 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Christmas 2010
Hi Gang,
"Big 'L' " has the new Christmas 2010 catalog out. We get scraps, as always. On page 17 a boxcar, on page 18 another boxcar, then we get all of page 23. Page 23 has the Hopper and a flat with Piggyback Trailers, as well as other items they put the AF logo on.
H,mmm!! I wonder how the Nutcracker set cars would look on "S" trucks?
 
jfred




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60749 From: downtowndeco Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Ever wanted to get into manufacturing?
Hi Guys,

I have a few more sets of HO Scale molds and masters (including a couple of
oldies that have been sold out for years) that I would be interested in selling
to the right party. Here's a great chance to get a start in kit manufacturering.
Will also walk you through the casting process the best I can. Contact me off
list for description of molds/master that I have for sale. Thanks!

Randy Pepprock
Downtown Deco
downtowndeco@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60750 From: willhhj Date: 6/12/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Things are moving along well for the Fall S fest. Registrations to date exceed the number recveied at this time when the Fest was last in the Chicago area in 2006.

The layout room is filling up fast. There are already eight layouts that will be within the 5,500 square foot space. For scale there will be Charles Malinowski's 4 by 6, the National Association of S Gaugers switching layout and the 10 by 10 Sn3 portable layout from Don Campion and Roger Sesterhenn. A 3-1/2 by 6 Scale/HiRail Layout and a combined Scale/HiRail modular layout from the Chicagoland and Badgerland clubs will be there. For the pure Flyer guys, ther will be a pikemaster layout and Charlie and Clay Buckage's restore Flyer department store layout. The will probably as many as 5-6 more layouts addes before the room is full.

There will be more than 225 tables and 18 manufacturer 10 by 10 booths in the 17,000 square foot display room. Space is filling up fast there as well.

The meet cars are the 1937 10' 6" high ARA box cars from S Scale America. They will be lettered for Elgin, Joliet and Eastern in two different paint schemes. One is an all-dark-green car with orange letteing; the other is an orange over dark green car with the letter in the opposite color on each half of the car side. The "j" is the most recent "Fallen Flag" in the Chicago area, having been merged into the Canadian National in January of 2009.

In addition to the layout and trading rooms, there will be a model contest with cash prizes, several clinics, a hospitality/video room, train races and an extensive family program. The family program will include "Friday Night at the Movies," special clinics, a "Shopping Trip without the Trip," and a wine tasting.

You will want to be part of this annual S model railroading event. For complete information, go to the web site: www.fallsfest.net.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60751 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/12/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/13/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60752 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/12/2010
Subject: S-Trax Question (Corrected Link)
Does anyone know if the S-Helper S-Trax #00670 uncoupler track will work
with link couplers?

http://www.showcaseline.com/track/00670.jpg

Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60753 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/13/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/13/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60754 From: pdpfpd Date: 6/13/2010
Subject: AF Repairs
Being mechanically uninclined does anyone know of repair shops in southeast Wisconsin? I have the Comet, the Chicago Northwestern switcher and the 303 that sit on the tracks and hum. Someone said something about the reverser switch operation can someone explaain that to me.
Thanks
Mike Quint
Group: S-Trains Message: 60755 From: Steven Lunde Date: 6/14/2010
Subject: Re: AF Repairs
Mike,
 
I do repairs, located in Waukesha, WI
 
Steve Lunde

--- On Sun, 6/13/10, pdpfpd <pdpfpd@...> wrote:


From: pdpfpd <pdpfpd@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Repairs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 4:07 PM


 



Being mechanically uninclined does anyone know of repair shops in southeast Wisconsin? I have the Comet, the Chicago Northwestern switcher and the 303 that sit on the tracks and hum. Someone said something about the reverser switch operation can someone explaain that to me.
Thanks
Mike Quint








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60756 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 6/14/2010
Subject: Santa Fe Dockside
Yesterday I ran my Santa Fe Dockside Switcher (6-48040) for some friends. After running it for quite some time, I noticed that it was no longer puffing smoke. Therefore, I added fluid, but for the first time it failed to smoke. Did I burn out the unit, or did I add too much fluid? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60757 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas 2010
WHAT BOX CARS?
Please note: message attached

From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas 2010
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60758 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Santa Fe Docksider
It could be either one! However, don't panic, I have run mine on straight DC and at pretty high voltage without burn out.
The problem with Suethe style smoke units with the center element is that they don't hold much fluid and if run dry, they WILL burn up rather quickly.
However, just as likely is that you overfilled it. This is not the same as old Flyer where you "fill 'er up" and run for half an hour or more. These units have a fairly narrow margin for error "too full, too low" so you must be vigilant.
Try putting a pipe cleaner or rolled up bit of paper towel into the stack and soak up the smoke fluid. Then re-fill with just a few drops (check your instruction sheet for how many.) Usually five will be enough to see if it still works.
Sometimes a partly cooked unit will still smoke, but with less volume, so try to compare output with how it did before.
You have to run these engines pretty high throttle to get them to smoke well, and even then the amount is often disappointing. There seemed to have been wide variance in the manufacture of these Docksiders, some people get plenty of smoke, other getting little.
If there is no smoke at all, the unit is fried.
Stumpy Stone...the Appalachian Flyer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60759 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
I have a question about the corvettes that came with the #24578 New Haven flat car
are they the same size as the corvettes that can be found in the Gilbert Figure 8
Auto-Rama set ?
..
I also have a question about the Air-Chime whistle generator control units.. I have
one that works and one that doesn't.. I need a replacement tube.. There is a local
shop that sells tubes and parts for old radios. Does anyone know what Sylvania,
RCA, Etc..tube number will replace the Gilbert tube ?
..
Any help would be appreciated..

Mike












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Group: S-Trains Message: 60760 From: ekaplan707 Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Docksider
The B&O Docksider I have does not use a Suethe smoke unit. Its a wire wound resistor sitting in some fiberglass type material which absorbs the smoke fluid. Most likely your engine is the same but you would need to check. If you look down the stack you should not see anything like a small diameter tube in the center of the stack. If you did it would be a Suethe but if its like I described you would not see any tube. You can remove the plate that holds the resistor to check it out. Check out Carl's web site (http://www.tuveson.com/) in the "AF/Lionel Docksider with TMCC and Sound" page. There is a picture of the smoke unit.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> It could be either one! However, don't panic, I have run mine on straight DC and at pretty high voltage without burn out.
> The problem with Suethe style smoke units with the center element is that they don't hold much fluid and if run dry, they WILL burn up rather quickly.
> However, just as likely is that you overfilled it. This is not the same as old Flyer where you "fill 'er up" and run for half an hour or more. These units have a fairly narrow margin for error "too full, too low" so you must be vigilant.
> Try putting a pipe cleaner or rolled up bit of paper towel into the stack and soak up the smoke fluid. Then re-fill with just a few drops (check your instruction sheet for how many.) Usually five will be enough to see if it still works.
> Sometimes a partly cooked unit will still smoke, but with less volume, so try to compare output with how it did before.
> You have to run these engines pretty high throttle to get them to smoke well, and even then the amount is often disappointing. There seemed to have been wide variance in the manufacture of these Docksiders, some people get plenty of smoke, other getting little.
> If there is no smoke at all, the unit is fried.
> Stumpy Stone...the Appalachian Flyer.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60761 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
Mike, they are the same car, just with slot car running gear.

Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: mikejoan45@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 9:46 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question for group





I have a question about the corvettes that came with the #24578 New Haven flat car
are they the same size as the corvettes that can be found in the Gilbert Figure 8
Auto-Rama set ?
..
I also have a question about the Air-Chime whistle generator control units.. I have
one that works and one that doesn't.. I need a replacement tube.. There is a local
shop that sells tubes and parts for old radios. Does anyone know what Sylvania,
RCA, Etc..tube number will replace the Gilbert tube ?
..
Any help would be appreciated..

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60762 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
I have the replacement tubes the # is 117p7gt If you want one from me
it will be $17 shipping included. Mike
Please contact me off list


In a message dated 6/15/2010 8:56:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikejoan45@... writes:





I have a question about the corvettes that came with the #24578 New Haven
flat car
are they the same size as the corvettes that can be found in the Gilbert
Figure 8
Auto-Rama set ?
..
I also have a question about the Air-Chime whistle generator control
units.. I have
one that works and one that doesn't.. I need a replacement tube.. There is
a local
shop that sells tubes and parts for old radios. Does anyone know what
Sylvania,
RCA, Etc..tube number will replace the Gilbert tube ?
..
Any help would be appreciated..

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60763 From: tbennerohio Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
If you have a vibrator tube Port Lines had them the last time I checked. But if you have the un-numbered whistle controller (that plugs into a 110 wall outlet) Both of the tubes below work. I got them from Antique Electronic Supply's website:

117N7GT - RECTIFIER, POWER AMPLIFIER 7.50
117P7GT - RECTIFIER, POWER AMPLIFIER 7.66
Total: 15.16

Have fun with it!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

> I also have a question about the Air-Chime whistle generator control units.. I have
> one that works and one that doesn't.. I need a replacement tube.. There is a local
> shop that sells tubes and parts for old radios. Does anyone know what Sylvania,
> RCA, Etc..tube number will replace the Gilbert tube ?
> ..
> Any help would be appreciated..
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60764 From: Bob C Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Layouts Needed For Central Coast RR Festival (Calif.)
Operating layouts are needed for a tour in the greater San Luis Obispo, CA, area.

I'm organizing the official layout tour for the Central Coast Railroad Festival for October 7-11, 2010. This tour will be jointly sponsored by the Festival and my Yahoo Group, Model Railroads of Southern California.

The tour will be self-guided and free. I will provide the publicity, schedules and maps through the Festival's website and my Yahoo group.

If you are interested in having your layout on this tour, please contact me OFF LIST at:

thecitrusbelt@...

If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please feel free to contact me. The date or dates that work for you and what hours you wish to be open need not be set until mid-August.

I hope you'll join with other area layout owners and show your layout to your fellow model railroaders and the public.

The Central Coast Railroad Festival's website is:

http://ccrrf.com/

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Model Railroads of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
Hemet, CA
===========================
My Background: I am a Life Member of the NMRA, a former President of the Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA, a former Superintendent and Director of the Cajon Division/PSR/NMRA, and a member of the Orange County Module Railroaders. I am the very active moderator of three railroad groups on Yahoo with a total membership in excess of 2,000 persons. I also have organized the layout tours for the PSR and the 2008 National Conventions of the NMRA and the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60765 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/15/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
In a message dated 6/10/2010 6:39:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:


David, the cows move great. How many watts is this unit getting and the
feet look new. So do the cows. Are they new and if so, where did you
get the new feet and/or cows from.

Mike,

I stock the cows, new "feet", new "hide".

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60766 From: grdobbs@juno.com Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: (no subject)
The corvettes that came with the #24578 New Haven flat car. Same size
YES But the bottoms are different. lots of discussion about flat car
loads several loads. I have a box of vibrators for the whistles and
horns different sticker but the same vibrator that came with the old car
radios to make the transformers work, But, run what you like and have
fun, the price of average running stock is coming down. If you have an
original that came together with the box how do you verify it, other than
your word, to many reproductions, just enjoy running your trains. several
of us old timers are dying off, and we have collected basements full of
this stuff from the 50's, soon it can be yours buy for fun and
enjoyment not as an investment.
Just my thoughts
Jerry HR 77-11644
Railroading from the 30's with American Flyer.
____________________________________________________________
Government Debt Bailout
Get out of debt fast! Keep your house, erase debt! Do You Qualify?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60767 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Hi Mike,

I got the cows, the stock yard and the cattle car all from an eBay auction. The cows are obviously not original, but I don't where the guy got them.

I am using 18.5 volts on the stockyard. I've been thinking about putting a rheostat on it to get better control but haven't gotten around to that yet.

ttyl,

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I was looking at David's video of the cows and then I went downstairs. Linda wanted to know what was wrong with the computer as she heard this noise coming from the computer room.
>
> David, the cows move great. How many watts is this unit getting and the feet look new. So do the cows. Are they new and if so, where did you get the new feet and/or cows from.
>
> Your cows move to good they need to revolve.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Your cows need to watch this video.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bull_gator_1
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:22 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard Video Posted
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I posted a video of the 771 stockyard on YouTube. You can view it at the following link:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tVL_cXyHQ
>
> I didn't put the stock car in place so you can see the cattle climb the loading ramp without needing the stock car.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60768 From: chasesmithus Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter
I have Gabe stuck in the extreme up position. Both buttons seem to operate OK except that the red button can't finish the stroke (too much tension). I can see the string wrapped several turns around the spoolDoes anyone have experience getting Gabe unstuck?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60769 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Jim,

I have so many "new" cow feet from Doug Peck, as I have not had time to work on this yet, due to all the work on the layout.

Thank for letting me know.

Tonight I made a wooden sidewalk and I made two platforms for the baseball lights, as I will put one up on one light to see how it looks with the ladders I have as I have to make railings for the two platforms, as there is a double set of banks of lights on each pole.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard Video Posted




In a message dated 6/10/2010 6:39:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

David, the cows move great. How many watts is this unit getting and the
feet look new. So do the cows. Are they new and if so, where did you
get the new feet and/or cows from.

Mike,

I stock the cows, new "feet", new "hide".

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60770 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/16/2010
Subject: Re: Question for group
Mike,

The shell is the same, but the frames are different. The flat car loads
had a solid frame.....no large cutout in it for the motor.



We have reconditioned and guaranteed Air Chime Whistle generator tubes,
or we can open, clean, and repair yours.

Proper adjustment not only means that it produces sound, but also does
not slow down the engine when activated.





<<<I have a question about the corvettes that came with the #24578 New
Haven flat car
are they the same size as the corvettes that can be found in the Gilbert
Figure 8
Auto-Rama set ?

I also have a question about the Air-Chime whistle generator control
units.. I have
one that works and one that doesn't.. I need a replacement tube.. >>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60771 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
David,

Thanks, but how are you power it?

I have a 40 W transformer for mine, and that is alone for it only.

Again, I have not fooled with mine lately due to other things going on with the layout.

By the way, I got the last section of the layout cover with dirt.

And 4 scale W signs are drying on the layout, braced, so they wont fall over.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:32 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted



Hi Mike,

I got the cows, the stock yard and the cattle car all from an eBay auction. The cows are obviously not original, but I don't where the guy got them.

I am using 18.5 volts on the stockyard. I've been thinking about putting a rheostat on it to get better control but haven't gotten around to that yet.

ttyl,

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I was looking at David's video of the cows and then I went downstairs. Linda wanted to know what was wrong with the computer as she heard this noise coming from the computer room.
>
> David, the cows move great. How many watts is this unit getting and the feet look new. So do the cows. Are they new and if so, where did you get the new feet and/or cows from.
>
> Your cows move to good they need to revolve.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Your cows need to watch this video.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bull_gator_1
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:22 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard Video Posted
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I posted a video of the 771 stockyard on YouTube. You can view it at the following link:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tVL_cXyHQ
>
> I didn't put the stock car in place so you can see the cattle climb the loading ramp without needing the stock car.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60772 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: DIRT!!
The final patch of dirt went down on the table tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I need to put down the grass.

I have four scale W signs on the table too.

To celebrate, here is the Annoying Passenger Skit from a show that had a few Monty Pythons and Marty Feldman done in the late 60s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CIACqpidRM

This passenger is welcome on my layout.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60773 From: charlie and edith Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Flyer Smoke Unit Question
Greetings! When "winding the wick" for the Flyer smoke unit to the range of 35 to 50 ohms, which number do I "wind" to, to produce the greater amount of smoke? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes! Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60774 From: Dave Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: A&W Decal Sets
We now offer decal sets for #1922 A&W Root Beer reefer car and #1933 A&W Root Beer Tank car.
For further info please contact us off group.
Dave

LBR Restorations U.S.A.
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
502-292-1872 (please leave message)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60775 From: sgaugian Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Smoke Unit Question
The lower the number the hotter the coil. The life of the coil, however, can be less too. Think of it this way - - were you to use a straight piece of the wire without any coils how hot that would get, and short lived it would be. When winding, be sure no one winding touches another or you'll have effectively created a very short coil that gets very hot, but won't last long. I have found that coils at the mid point of the range deliver voluminous smoke and last a long time (assuming never used without fluid).
Group: S-Trains Message: 60776 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter
Hello.  I have a similar problem with my newer Gabe Lamplighter.  It is the #49805 made by Lionel in 2001.  Gabe gets stuck at the top and the light will not go on.  The biggest problem is getting Gabe to the
top of the tower.  Pushing the button does not always work on getting Gage to climb.  It's like hit or miss with every button push.  Is there anyone out there that can help on repairing these problems?  Thanks.

Bob 



________________________________
From: chasesmithus <csmith290@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 8:28:23 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter

 
I have Gabe stuck in the extreme up position. Both buttons seem to operate OK except that the red button can't finish the stroke (too much tension). I can see the string wrapped several turns around the spoolDoes anyone have experience getting Gabe unstuck?







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60777 From: pkrae Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter
I think if you find yourself in the extreme "up" position for more than 4 hours, you're supposed to get to a doctor right away.
 
john jones
 
<>
 


--- On Wed, 6/16/10, chasesmithus <csmith290@...> wrote:


From: chasesmithus <csmith290@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel FlyerGabe the lamplighter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 9:28 PM


 



I have Gabe stuck in the extreme up position. Both buttons seem to operate OK except that the red button can't finish the stroke (too much tension). I can see the string wrapped several turns around the spoolDoes anyone have experience getting Gabe unstuck?








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60778 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Mike,

I am using two 30B 300 watt transformers to power my layout. I have three track loops, each can be powered from one of the throttle controls, so the fourth throttle control is not used. I can also power the inner and middle loops from a single throttle by flipping a switch to connect the loops to one another. One of the 30Bs powers the turnouts and uncouplers using the 18.5V constant power terminal. The other 30B powers all of the accessories using the 18.5V constant power terminal. All that being said, the stockyard (plus all other accessories) is powered by a 30B 300W transformer.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Thanks, but how are you power it?
>
> I have a 40 W transformer for mine, and that is alone for it only.
>
> Again, I have not fooled with mine lately due to other things going on with the layout.
>
> By the way, I got the last section of the layout cover with dirt.
>
> And 4 scale W signs are drying on the layout, braced, so they wont fall over.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bull_gator_1
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:32 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I got the cows, the stock yard and the cattle car all from an eBay auction. The cows are obviously not original, but I don't where the guy got them.
>
> I am using 18.5 volts on the stockyard. I've been thinking about putting a rheostat on it to get better control but haven't gotten around to that yet.
>
> ttyl,
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > I was looking at David's video of the cows and then I went downstairs. Linda wanted to know what was wrong with the computer as she heard this noise coming from the computer room.
> >
> > David, the cows move great. How many watts is this unit getting and the feet look new. So do the cows. Are they new and if so, where did you get the new feet and/or cows from.
> >
> > Your cows move to good they need to revolve.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Your cows need to watch this video.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bull_gator_1
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:22 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard Video Posted
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I posted a video of the 771 stockyard on YouTube. You can view it at the following link:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tVL_cXyHQ
> >
> > I didn't put the stock car in place so you can see the cattle climb the loading ramp without needing the stock car.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > BG1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60779 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
Dave,

Thanks for letting me know, as I do have a 3O B Transformer too. Might switch out the 12B for accessories and turnouts for it.

Otherwise, the track is DCC.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted



Mike,

I am using two 30B 300 watt transformers to power my layout. I have three track loops, each can be powered from one of the throttle controls, so the fourth throttle control is not used. I can also power the inner and middle loops from a single throttle by flipping a switch to connect the loops to one another. One of the 30Bs powers the turnouts and uncouplers using the 18.5V constant power terminal. The other 30B powers all of the accessories using the 18.5V constant power terminal. All that being said, the stockyard (plus all other accessories) is powered by a 30B 300W transformer.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Thanks, but how are you power it?
>
> I have a 40 W transformer for mine, and that is alone for it only.
>
> Again, I have not fooled with mine lately due to other things going on with the layout.
>
> By the way, I got the last section of the layout cover with dirt.
>
> And 4 scale W signs are drying on the layout, braced, so they wont fall over.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bull_gator_1
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:32 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 771 Stockyard Video Posted
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I got the cows, the stock yard and the cattle car all from an eBay auction. The cows are obviously not original, but I don't where the guy got them.
>
> I am using 18.5 volts on the stockyard. I've been thinking about putting a rheostat on it to get better control but haven't gotten around to that yet.
>
> ttyl,
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > I was looking at David's video of the cows and then I went downstairs. Linda wanted to know what was wrong with the computer as she heard this noise coming from the computer room.
> >
> > David, the cows move great. How many watts is this unit getting and the feet look new. So do the cows. Are they new and if so, where did you get the new feet and/or cows from.
> >
> > Your cows move to good they need to revolve.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Your cows need to watch this video.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bull_gator_1
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:22 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard Video Posted
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I posted a video of the 771 stockyard on YouTube. You can view it at the following link:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tVL_cXyHQ
> >
> > I didn't put the stock car in place so you can see the cattle climb the loading ramp without needing the stock car.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > BG1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60780 From: afjerryk5 Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Bad day for S gauge?
Just heard a rumor on another forum that Kader is stopping production of S-Helper,AM,and Des Plaines products.Anyone know anything about this?Sure hope it's not true.
Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 60781 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Smoke Unit Question
40 ohms is a great number....

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 06/17/2010 9:05:25 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
charlieandedith@... writes:




Greetings! When "winding the wick" for the Flyer smoke unit to the range of
35 to 50 ohms, which number do I "wind" to, to produce the greater amount
of smoke? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes! Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60782 From: A E Johnson Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
I am interested in those I have marked in red. I have added you price up and have come to $122. I live at Vilonia, AR. I don’t know if these are worth the issurance. I hope to repaint them and get some decals. Somewhere I have some knuckle couples. I plan to operate them, not collect and look at them. Also I have grandkids.



A. E. Johnson

59 Blair Drive

Vilonia, AR 72173

501-796-2411



P. S. if they aren’t sold in your sale.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A E Johnson
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:07 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale





Robert,

I have been trying to think of a way to contact you without talking our business online.

Contact me at bigfoot@... <mailto:bigfoot%40cyberback.com> . Give me a one price takes all. Include in your price shipping and insurance

A. E. Johnson

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Robert Graves
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:21 PM
To: Sgauge Available; s-trains@... <mailto:s-trains%40YahooGroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale

I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse! Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.

632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers. Faded lettering
and no steps. Early version with no journal boxes. Normal warping.
$5

632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but no steps. One missing link coupler. Normal warping.
$5

632
LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong
lettering, but only one step. One missing journal box. Normal
warping. $6

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in reflected
light. One step is broken off. $3

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers and all four
steps. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in
reflected light. $4

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All
lettering is strong. Half of one step is missing. Will clean to
Ex-. $8

632
LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. Lettering
is fairly strong. No steps are missing. Small chip out of the top
of the rim on one side. Will clean to VG+. $7

A
really dirty 640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; has
been converted to knuckle couplers. A few small spots of paint
loss. $6

dirty
640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; both trucks are
rusty and one has missing wheels and coupler. $2

640
hopper with black lettering and black weight link couplers. One step
has its tip broken off. $10

640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. Has
original box that has come unglued and flaps are missing from one
end. Car is in Excellent condition $15

640
hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10

640
hopper with white lettering and brass weight link couplers. One
missing step and some letters incomplete $10

dirty
640 hopper with white lettering. One truck missing. Coupler is
missing on the other truck. Two missing steps and some letters
incomplete $2

640
Wabash hopper with all four steps. A little rust on both trucks,
barely noticeable on one. Lettering is perfect on one side; scrape
through one leg of the H on the other. Body will clean to Ex-. $30

640
Wabash hopper with one broken step. A little discoloration on one
truck, but I don't think it's rust. Lettering is near perfect on
both sides – small scratches in only a few letters – but it is a
bit faded, not a bright as the other car. Body will clean to VG+.
$25

716
Operating Dump Car. Works properly. 1946 version with center pickup
and Patent number on link coupler. One coupler is broken. Weak C-6.
$20

801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, both on one side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect; a couple of little black dots in both
the B and the O are identical on both sides, which tells me they are
flaws in the stamps used to letter the car. Has four weights glued
inside so it's a good candidate for a coal or gravel load (see
below). Will clean to Ex-. $10

801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side. Lettering is
a little faded, but perfect. Will clean to Ex-. $10

801
B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side, and a broken
crossbar. Lettering is unusually bright and thick; may be
relettered. Has some rust colored paint on one side of both trucks.
VG? $8

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. $34

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex- if not Ex. $33

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. On one
coupler, the spring that opens it is broken; when closed, it holds
just fine – perfectly good for running on a layout. Ex. $32

940
Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will
clean to Ex. Both couplers are broken. $25

Three
add-in coal loads (black) and two gravel loads (gray) for the above
two-bay hoppers. $3 each

924
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with one broken step; otherwise
strong VG $20

dirty
924 Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with a small ding and one
broken step; otherwise VG $17

24209
Jersey Central CRP covered hopper complete; strong VG $75

24230
Peabody hopper with Pikemaster couplers. It has three missing
steps but otherwise will clean to VG/Ex. $25

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60783 From: willhhj Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: SANDA KAN - S Gauge Products
It is true that Sanda Kan has sent notices to all but a few of their clients that after completing current purchase orders, those clients will need to find a new builder. All of those existing projects are promised to be completed by the end of 2010.

That notice does include American Models, S Helper Service, S Scale America from Des Plaines Hobbies and American "S" Gauge from Classic Trains. But it also included a large number of American model railroad compaies in all scales.

In the long run, the only significant problem will be the delays in new projects and releases as the American companies locate new suppliers and have their tooling, etc. relocated. There are seveal builders in China that will be ready to accept this new business into their factories.

Will Holt
Group: S-Trains Message: 60784 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Bad day for S gauge?
Accurate.



<<Just heard a rumor on another forum that Kader is stopping production
of S-Helper,AM,and Des Plaines products.Anyone know anything about
this?>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60785 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad day for S gauge?
Doug Peck of Portlines Hobbies sent the information in his monthly June S newsletter yesterday.  S-Helper, AM and Des Plaines were notified on June 14, that Kader would discontinue manufacturing product accept for current orders.  Peck said that Kader will continue production for Lionel and Atlas.

Bob




________________________________
From: afjerryk5 <afjerryk5@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 9:50:02 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Bad day for S gauge?

 
Just heard a rumor on another forum that Kader is stopping production of S-Helper,AM,and Des Plaines products.Anyone know anything about this?Sure hope it's not true.
Jerry







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60786 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad news for S gauge?
DON'T PANIC YET! Kador Toys is the parent company of Bachmann Industries and makes all of their products. They have been known to put a hold on production of other items to slip Bachmann products into the manufacturing schedule.
Lionel is said to owe several outfits in China a lot of money, (one reason they are trying to move back here)so my guess would be that Lionel would be the first to have production halted.
When Don puts out a warning, THEN you can panic. :-)
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60787 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2010 production
OK, Robin has been overloaded with calls today. First, we own our
tooling. Next, from the letter that we received, items that are in
the pipeline (purchase order issued before 14 June 10) are still being
produced. This would include the 2010 Christmas Car and the rest of
the fishbelly hoppers. Right now we are exploring other sources for
our trains.
Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 60788 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad day for S gauge?
This was posted late last night by Ed Loizeaux on the S scale group.
My response is below.
Don

All true, plus don't forget our friends at Classic Trains (there may
be others). I have heard that the letter went out to 60 different N,
HO, O and S vendors on June 14th so our scale is not alone. As for
what is next, we are exploring other possibilities.
Don

On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Edward Loizeaux wrote:

Gents...The following just arrived in my inbox. Ed L.

1) BAD NEWS FOR "S" --- On June 14th, S-Helper Service, American Models,
and Des Plaines Hobbies were all notified by Kader Industries in China
(their manufacturer) that Kader will not continue to produce their
product
line. Only items for which contracts and purchase orders have already
been
signed will be honored. Apparently, Kader will only continue to deal
with
the large manufacturers such as Lionel and Atlas.

Although only a very minor effect upon us, as compared to how this may
affect SHS, AM, and DPH, this means that our planned re-release of the
Revere Sugar hopper and the Narragansett Ale reefer are cancelled.

Kader Industries purchased Sanda Kan less than two years ago.
On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:50 PM, afjerryk5 wrote:

> Just heard a rumor on another forum that Kader is stopping
> production of S-Helper,AM,and Des Plaines products.Anyone know
> anything about this?Sure hope it's not true.
> Jerry
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60789 From: David Dewey Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Bad news for S
Yes, the rumor is true, the Chinese factory that has been making all our
trains (for all the manufacturer's) has decided to only work with "the big
boys." Note that this is after a large corporation bought the factory from
the original owners--promising "no changes."
All is not lost, however, as there are others who can fill in; but it will
take some time to develop the working relationship and quality control that
was established. Expect to see some delays in new products as well as a
change in pricing (more likely up, but it could go the other way. . . .).
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60790 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
The red marking didn't come through in the email message so I don't know which ones you want.  Can you send me the list of what you do want and delete the rest?  I'll figure up a price and send you an invoice.  Probably around $125.

Thanks.


--- On Fri, 6/18/10, A E Johnson <bigfoot@...> wrote:

From: A E Johnson <bigfoot@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 12:25 AM







 









I am interested in those I have marked in red. I have added you price up and have come to $122. I live at Vilonia, AR. I don’t know if these are worth the issurance. I hope to repaint them and get some decals. Somewhere I have some knuckle couples. I plan to operate them, not collect and look at them. Also I have grandkids.



A. E. Johnson



59 Blair Drive



Vilonia, AR 72173



501-796-2411



P. S. if they aren’t sold in your sale.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A E Johnson

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:07 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale



Robert,



I have been trying to think of a way to contact you without talking our business online.



Contact me at bigfoot@... <mailto:bigfoot%40cyberback.com> . Give me a one price takes all. Include in your price shipping and insurance



A. E. Johnson



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Robert Graves

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:21 PM

To: Sgauge Available; s-trains@... <mailto:s-trains%40YahooGroups.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Hopper Cars for sale



I am helping several people sell their

collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book

values (adjusted for condition), but these

should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't

refuse! Please include your address so I can

calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



632

LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers. Faded lettering

and no steps. Early version with no journal boxes. Normal warping.

$5



632

LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong

lettering, but no steps. One missing link coupler. Normal warping.

$5



632

LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong

lettering, but only one step. One missing journal box. Normal

warping. $6



632

LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All

lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in reflected

light. One step is broken off. $3



632

LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers and all four

steps. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in

reflected light. $4



632

LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All

lettering is strong. Half of one step is missing. Will clean to

Ex-. $8



632

LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. Lettering

is fairly strong. No steps are missing. Small chip out of the top

of the rim on one side. Will clean to VG+. $7



A

really dirty 640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; has

been converted to knuckle couplers. A few small spots of paint

loss. $6



dirty

640 hopper with black lettering and all four steps; both trucks are

rusty and one has missing wheels and coupler. $2



640

hopper with black lettering and black weight link couplers. One step

has its tip broken off. $10



640

hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. Has

original box that has come unglued and flaps are missing from one

end. Car is in Excellent condition $15



640

hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. One

missing step and some letters incomplete $10



640

hopper with white lettering and brass weight link couplers. One

missing step and some letters incomplete $10



dirty

640 hopper with white lettering. One truck missing. Coupler is

missing on the other truck. Two missing steps and some letters

incomplete $2



640

Wabash hopper with all four steps. A little rust on both trucks,

barely noticeable on one. Lettering is perfect on one side; scrape

through one leg of the H on the other. Body will clean to Ex-. $30



640

Wabash hopper with one broken step. A little discoloration on one

truck, but I don't think it's rust. Lettering is near perfect on

both sides – small scratches in only a few letters – but it is a

bit faded, not a bright as the other car. Body will clean to VG+.

$25



716

Operating Dump Car. Works properly. 1946 version with center pickup

and Patent number on link coupler. One coupler is broken. Weak C-6.

$20



801

B&O hopper with two broken steps, both on one side. Lettering is

a little faded, but perfect; a couple of little black dots in both

the B and the O are identical on both sides, which tells me they are

flaws in the stamps used to letter the car. Has four weights glued

inside so it's a good candidate for a coal or gravel load (see

below). Will clean to Ex-. $10



801

B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side. Lettering is

a little faded, but perfect. Will clean to Ex-. $10



801

B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side, and a broken

crossbar. Lettering is unusually bright and thick; may be

relettered. Has some rust colored paint on one side of both trucks.

VG? $8



940

Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will

clean to Ex. $34



940

Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will

clean to Ex. $34



940

Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will

clean to Ex- if not Ex. $33



940

Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. On one

coupler, the spring that opens it is broken; when closed, it holds

just fine – perfectly good for running on a layout. Ex. $32



940

Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will

clean to Ex. Both couplers are broken. $25



Three

add-in coal loads (black) and two gravel loads (gray) for the above

two-bay hoppers. $3 each



924

Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with one broken step; otherwise

strong VG $20



dirty

924 Jersey Central CRP covered hopper with a small ding and one

broken step; otherwise VG $17



24209

Jersey Central CRP covered hopper complete; strong VG $75



24230

Peabody hopper with Pikemaster couplers. It has three missing

steps but otherwise will clean to VG/Ex. $25



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60791 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Bad news for S gauge
OKAY....NOW WE CAN PANIC! We have the word straight from Don Thompson of S-Helper Service.
And if you listen carefully, that weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth you hear in the distance are the dozens of small makers in the other scales as well. It's more than just us who are in trouble.
Stumpy on the river in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60792 From: Bob Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Good morning. I wanted to give a quick update on the Spring issue (yes, I know!) of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine before I head out of town for the weekend to attend a family wedding.

The good news is that the proofreader finally sent back the articles he was given some time ago, and I've been able to make good progress laying out the issue. The not-so-good news is that I've still got a lot of work ahead of me. Obviously, with summer officially starting on Monday, the Spring issue will be as late as some Amtrak trains. I do apologize to all our subscribers and advertisers for that, and appreciate your patience and understanding.

Here's a sneak peak at what to expect: Vic Roseman's "Ulster County Press - A Vintage Print Shop" is a wonderful article about how he scratchbuilt the interior of a turn of the 20th Century printing establishment. Phil Scandura describes how he scratchbuilt two small wooden trestles, complete with plans. Dick Karnes's "Engineering Column" is all about detailing turnouts and is a must read. Plus, Gary Carmichael is back with another fine "Eastern Junction" column.

If you haven't gotten around to send in your subscription renewal, please do so as soon as possible. By the way, the Winter, 2010 issue is officially on the endangered list - only 18 copies remaining.

What would you like to see in the pages of the 1:64 Modeling Guide? Let me know.

Have a great weekend.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Bobnalbone04@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60793 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/20/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday June 20, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 54 minutes.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60794 From: vito4cal Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: S West 5 - Reminder
S West 5 - REMINDER

Largest S Scale meet west of the Mississippi and held in conjunction with 2010 O Scale National Convention.

200 S & O Tables, Clinics, Videos, S scale meet cars, Contests, S & Sn3 modular layouts on site, and S scale layout visits.

30 O & S scale home and club layouts open

June 30 – July 3, 2010
Hyatt Regency Santa Clara
5101 Great America Parkway
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Reservations: 800-233-1234

Admission: $45

The meet car is an S-Helper SP rebuilt boxcar in four road numbers. See flyer at uploaded in files section of group. Cost is $43, plus S&H unless car is picked up at convention.

For further information go to: http://www.2010oscalenational.com/

or contact John Gibson at "vito4cal [at] yahoo.com" or (916) 580-5444.

S West Five Committee

Lee Johnson
Bill McClung
Howard Sheffield
John Gibson
Group: S-Trains Message: 60795 From: ekaplan707 Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Reverse loops
From time to time folks have questions about how to setup a reverse loop. In my case I have a yard with 2 yard leads going to two main lines. They create a reverse loop and a short. I purchased a DCC Specialties PSX-AR electronic reversing unit. It has to be specifically ordered for AC 2 rail. What a pleasure. I can run out of my yard via either of my yard leads and not worry about polarity. I just had to isolate the entire yard and leads from the main lines. Power is supplied by the unit to this isolated section. If the unit sees a short it instantly changes the polarity of the isolated section. No manual switches, no hesitation. Highly recommend this if you have a reverse loop. The instructions are less then clear so if anyone decides to get one please contact me if you have any questions.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60796 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Lost another one
There was a 24003 box car on Ebay, only the second one I have seen since April 2009.

Lost out as my max bid was 86. Last time my max bid was 125.

This is suppose to be a 50 dollar car!!!!

So great for the seller.

I guess next time around I will have to go above my max bid of 125.00 as it seems the market is pointing that way.

One reason why I did not go higher, as I just spent 150 on two milk bottles for my bottle collection, as I got a great bottle from Bar Harbor ME and a bottle from a dairy in Montgomery County where I grew up and live, for Sycamore Farms. both bottles are from the 1940s and near mint.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60797 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/20/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday June 20, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60798 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: 24003 Box
I got several nice emails in private from people trying to help me find this car.

The next time it is on ebay, my max bid will be a zillion dollars. LOL

And then I will need another one someday for the SECOND set it came in for 1958. I have seen more 24016 on ebay, as that was in two sets too, as that is suppose to be very rare, but then the common 24003 hardly shows up. Maybe it needs to be re-classified. O:)!

Mike

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60799 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale
We do our yearly Inventory July 1, and we thought it would be more fun
to ship the products to our customers rather than count them! So we
are running a series of one-day sales between now and the end of June.
Watch this website for the next few days for each new sale. Webmaster
Bill Clark will be updating each day with new sale items.

> http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html
>
> Bill


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60800 From: vito4cal Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: Re: S West 5 - Reminder
Folks:

A few corrections:

1. The registration fee is only $40.00.

2. The price for the convention car is $53.00.

S West 5 Committee

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "vito4cal" <vito4cal@...> wrote:
>
> S West 5 - REMINDER
>
> Largest S Scale meet west of the Mississippi and held in conjunction with 2010 O Scale National Convention.
>
> 200 S & O Tables, Clinics, Videos, S scale meet cars, Contests, S & Sn3 modular layouts on site, and S scale layout visits.
>
> 30 O & S scale home and club layouts open
>
> June 30 – July 3, 2010
> Hyatt Regency Santa Clara
> 5101 Great America Parkway
> Santa Clara, CA 95054
> Reservations: 800-233-1234
>
> Admission: $45
>
> The meet car is an S-Helper SP rebuilt boxcar in four road numbers. See flyer at uploaded in files section of group. Cost is $43, plus S&H unless car is picked up at convention.
>
> For further information go to: http://www.2010oscalenational.com/
>
> or contact John Gibson at "vito4cal [at] yahoo.com" or (916) 580-5444.
>
> S West Five Committee
>
> Lee Johnson
> Bill McClung
> Howard Sheffield
> John Gibson
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60801 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: 24003 vs. Rockville MD milk bottle.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380242061706&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130401164695&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT

I am glad that the Rockville MD milk bottle I won is worth more that the SF 24003 box car! LOL I grew up near Rockville and I do not have many local bottles. Took me for ever to find a Thompson Dairy Bottle and now I have two different ones, as that was a real big dairy in the DC area. So, I am use to waiting for things, like a 24003 box car. Frank Merson had one in April in VG condition for 38. Should of brought and put it on ebay. LOL

It was collecting milk bottles that got me back into trains in 1991 or so.

Next time.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60802 From: Scott Date: 6/21/2010
Subject: Putt Putt Trains
Hey,
My club has three of the Putt Putt trolleys, but we cannot find any place that sells them. Are they still in business or are these out of productions. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 60803 From: willhhj Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Things are moving long rApidly for the 35th Annual S Fest to be held in the Chicago area this October.

Several of the manufacturer's booths have been bookED and will have trains operating in those booths. Over half of the available tables are already sold.

The Fall S Fest cars, Elgin, Joliet and Eastern box cars from S Scale America are both over 50% sold out. The orange over green cars is over 2/3's sold.

Registration over all are running well ahead of the last time the Fest was in Chicago in 2006.

A SPECIAL REMINDER -- This Saturday, June 26 is the last day to mail in your registration at the early-bird fee of $15.00. For registrations postmarked between June 28 and September 25, the registration fee will be $17.50.

Watch for regular updates on the Fest here and at the wed site -- fallsfest.net
Group: S-Trains Message: 60804 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW8s
Today's sale features all in-stock roadnames of our SW8 Locomotive! AC/
DC, DCC no sound, and DCC sound are included. Check out the Pre-
Inventory Sale Page here!

Don


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60805 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Putt Putt Trains
The last time that I talked to Terry Putt, he was working seven days a week, sometimes twelve hours a day on a long term contract. He is a machinist by trade, with his own small shop and works for a large firm as well.
At that time he had future plans for Putt Trains, but his "real job" must come first, especially for a private contractor in these tough economic times.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60806 From: Dave Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: #988 A.R.T. Decal Set
We now have the decal set for the AMERICAN FLYER #988 A.R.T. refrigerator car. The set may be viewed at the following album here at the groups pages. Please use the following link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/800246040/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 60807 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: More Layout Accessory Videos
Hi All,

Here are some videos of a few more accessories on the layout:

MTH 30-9043 Operating Coal Loader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iilJJIhRnpE

Lionel Mr. Spiff and Puddles (6-24137) and Lionel Playtime Playground (6-24138):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okftv8LO8BI

American flyer 594 Animated Track Gang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5grPMeAX-WU

Enjoy!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60808 From: rapidrail1 Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: S gauge VGN kit bashed and scratch built equipment
After a request to do so, I found the photos I took a year or so ago, of the kit bashed, and scratch built Virginian equipment. Those of you in other scales do not have to do as much of this as we S gaugers do. The only commercial Virginian equipment available is some 2 bay hoppers from American Models, and S Helper Service and a Trainmaster from American Models. Many of my cars are converted from 0N30, others are comercial undecorated cars or kits. There is also very little in the way of Virginian decals in S, so I have had to either to make my own or adapt them from HO or O scale, or hand letter them with dry transfer lettering.

The photos are in an album called S gauge VGN equipment. As I find time, I will try to add more photos later. Also, I made this album open to the whole group, so anyone can add their own S gauge Virginian equipment.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 60809 From: John Metzger Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Re: Putt Putt Trains
LOOK AT www.portlines.com/putt.htm   FOR PUTT TROLLEYS.  PORTLINES HOBBY(DOUG PECK)    HOPE THIS HELPS YOU, JOHN METZGER




________________________________
From: Scott <millesco@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 11:36:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Putt Putt Trains

 
Hey,
My club has three of the Putt Putt trolleys, but we cannot find any place that sells them. Are they still in business or are these out of productions. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Scott




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60810 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW8s
The link did not work on the first e-mail, try this one...
Don

http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html


On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Don Thompson wrote:

> Today's sale features all in-stock roadnames of our SW8 Locomotive!
> AC/
> DC, DCC no sound, and DCC sound are included. Check out the Pre-
> Inventory Sale Page here!
>
> Don
>
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>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60811 From: bandmancwc Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Looking for Chessie engine
Hi, If anyone has an S-helper Chessie SW1 they would like to sell, I am looking for one for my autistic son....Thanks.....Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 60812 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/22/2010
Subject: Roadway
I have 10 sheets of roadway made by Leisure Time Hobbies that I do not need.

I believe I paid 10 dollars for each sheet.

They are 3 feet long, 3.5 inches wide,.

6 sheets are straights with dotted or broken yellow line in the middle.

The other four are RR Crossing, Stop for a intersection and a crosswalk, all 3 on one 3 feet long sheet.

They are not bendable, as it is like very thin heavy duty paper, like Asphalt.

I will let them go for $5 each plus shipping.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60813 From: aztecfan Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Down load a templet for a 3D city
Group: S-Trains Message: 60814 From: charlie and edith Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Flyer Smoke Unit
Greetings! Thanks to all for your thoughts on winding for the Flyer smoke units. Your ideas were very helpful! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60815 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - USRA single sheathed boxcars and panel
> Today's sale features all in-stock roadnames of our USRA single
> sheathed boxcars and panel side hoppers. Check out the sale page at:
>
http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html

> Don



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60816 From: Rance and Bente Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S scale plausibility
Hi all:
I was in CA last week (back in cool Norway now :-) ) and did visited
Tehachapi, CA to have brunch at the Apple Shed . We then toured
'downtown' Tehachapi and found two train stores - one that carried S
gauge (in addition to all the other gauges) - some old AC, plus newer
issues (all high rail stuff, I think). I thought the name was
businessetc, and I tried to find it on google - only turned up a
printing concern. Oh well, will visit in another year or so and find
out what the name was.
rance velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60817 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW1 EMD switchers
>> Today's sale features all in-stock roadnames of our SW1 EMD 600 hp
>> switchers. Check out the sale page at:
>>
> http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html
>
>> Don
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60818 From: Bill Drake Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S scale plausibility
Gold Coast Station
125 W Tehachapi Blvd
Tehachapi, California
 
www.trainsetc.biz
 
maybe?
 
Bill Drake
 
99/99 in St Louis (temp/humidity)

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From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S scale plausibility
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:36 AM


 



Hi all:
I was in CA last week (back in cool Norway now :-) ) and did visited
Tehachapi, CA to have brunch at the Apple Shed . We then toured
'downtown' Tehachapi and found two train stores - one that carried S
gauge (in addition to all the other gauges) - some old AC, plus newer
issues (all high rail stuff, I think). I thought the name was
businessetc, and I tried to find it on google - only turned up a
printing concern. Oh well, will visit in another year or so and find
out what the name was.
rance velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)










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Group: S-Trains Message: 60819 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Fw: S Helper Field is done
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1853722145/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=541&count=20&dir=asc

I am using what I wrote on the TCA list, as the first picture is not fuzzy, it comes later.
Mike

Latest pictures of the layout.

The first picture is a bit fuzzy, as it shows a S scale W sign, as painted the indented W was something.

Most of the photos are taken with a tripod.

The bleachers are glued down, coaches boxes are made, a A&P sign is on the wall, as a new advertiser, Arby's has some items on a pole. One of my first jobs out of college in 1978 was being a GM for a Arby's in MD. The 1965 HO Plasticville Swimming pool is in place with a cat on the diving board. This has ancient dust imbedded on it from my childhood home. Some real ballparks have swimming pools, so the Pinheads Baseball club is on this with a 1950s motel Kidney Shape pool. All the latest at this ballpark. I will have to add people to the stands. Players benches are made too. backstop is up.

Other shots are the finished industrial area in Tuftsville.

I will be adding more people, cars and trees, as next are the fences to be made, for the stockyard and farm.

Remember that Gondola, AF, with the hole in the side? Well, it mysteriously showed up at my house yesterday as it has graffiti all over it now. My good friend, as we have emailed in the past, actually brought it for 2.99, as you remember the first time on ebay it was listed at 10! Don wrote the graffiti on it, as it makes reference to all the things I said about the car, like the folk song about a hole in the bucket, the black knight from the Holy Grail Monty Python movie and so on. So since I started this thread on it, Don decided that it should have a good home. And it will. It is great, as Linda and I love this car. I have allot of rare AF but this car outshines them all. It is priceless. I think Don had allot of fun "fixing" this car, as he sent me all the emails about this car on the TTML, so I have a book on it. I have to write a email on what Don wrote me later.

So other pictures is of the shelves for my milk bottles, as I had to clear the top shelve of some train things and move over to some other shelves. I have about 200 more milk bottles upstairs in the living room. I have two milk bottles coming today that I got on Ebay last week.

So this is the latest on the D&K RR.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60820 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: S Helper Field is done
Mike,
     A super ball diamond. Sure looks GREAT!!
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


--- On Thu, 6/24/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: S Helper Field is done
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 8:42 AM


 



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1853722145/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=541&count=20&dir=asc

I am using what I wrote on the TCA list, as the first picture is not fuzzy, it comes later.
Mike

Latest pictures of the layout.

The first picture is a bit fuzzy, as it shows a S scale W sign, as painted the indented W was something.

Most of the photos are taken with a tripod.

The bleachers are glued down, coaches boxes are made, a A&P sign is on the wall, as a new advertiser, Arby's has some items on a pole. One of my first jobs out of college in 1978 was being a GM for a Arby's in MD. The 1965 HO Plasticville Swimming pool is in place with a cat on the diving board. This has ancient dust imbedded on it from my childhood home. Some real ballparks have swimming pools, so the Pinheads Baseball club is on this with a 1950s motel Kidney Shape pool. All the latest at this ballpark. I will have to add people to the stands. Players benches are made too. backstop is up.

Other shots are the finished industrial area in Tuftsville.

I will be adding more people, cars and trees, as next are the fences to be made, for the stockyard and farm.

Remember that Gondola, AF, with the hole in the side? Well, it mysteriously showed up at my house yesterday as it has graffiti all over it now. My good friend, as we have emailed in the past, actually brought it for 2.99, as you remember the first time on ebay it was listed at 10! Don wrote the graffiti on it, as it makes reference to all the things I said about the car, like the folk song about a hole in the bucket, the black knight from the Holy Grail Monty Python movie and so on. So since I started this thread on it, Don decided that it should have a good home. And it will. It is great, as Linda and I love this car. I have allot of rare AF but this car outshines them all. It is priceless. I think Don had allot of fun "fixing" this car, as he sent me all the emails about this car on the TTML, so I have a book on it. I have to write a email on what Don wrote me later.

So other pictures is of the shelves for my milk bottles, as I had to clear the top shelve of some train things and move over to some other shelves. I have about 200 more milk bottles upstairs in the living room. I have two milk bottles coming today that I got on Ebay last week.

So this is the latest on the D&K RR.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60821 From: Rhett George Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Best foot (1:1 scale) forward
- GreetingS -

It happens in the best of families. We sometimes find one another dis-
agreeable. When it comes to promoting our hobby and our scale preference
perhaps with someone we do not otherwise care to be around, I think we
should put aside our differences and work together to put the collective
best foot forward. There are too many folks who have no opportunity to
experience the charm of S-gauge trains. There are those who have the
opportunity but don't know it. Coming from the educational side of the
house of life, I suggest that these folks need educating in the art and
science of railroads, model railroads, and S-gauge trains.

There are some fine ideas on introducing folks to a variety of endeavors.
American Society for Engineering Education recognizes the the need to
introduce middle and high school students to a broad sample of activities
which have not been noticed. It has begun the eGFI program, "Engineering,
Go For It" and has put parts of this program in academic contact with
the students. We engineers see the need for this promotion. We S gaugers
may not have the opportunity to go into the schools, but we can meet
students at train shows and at community festivals. School and church
festivals along with some historical gatherings are places to put out
the word.

Whether the trains are scale or caricature doesn't matter much to folks
who have not studied them. Capture the attention of these folks with
an entrancing display, involve them with interactive devices. Include
a loop or an out-and-back track system that the folks can run. To hear
a visitor say, "Hey, you're running it!" or "Look, I'm running the train!"
makes the effort you expended well worthwhile. By involvement you have
promoted the hobby. And maybe you have put aside disagreements with
other model railroaders.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 60822 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/24/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: S Helper Field is done
Thanks Dave, as some of your decals are on the baseball wall.

Must be the weirdest use for decals and smoke fluid funnels (lights) ever. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: S Helper Field is done



Mike,
A super ball diamond. Sure looks GREAT!!
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.


--- On Thu, 6/24/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: S Helper Field is done
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 8:42 AM



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1853722145/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=541&count=20&dir=asc

I am using what I wrote on the TCA list, as the first picture is not fuzzy, it comes later.
Mike

Latest pictures of the layout.

The first picture is a bit fuzzy, as it shows a S scale W sign, as painted the indented W was something.

Most of the photos are taken with a tripod.

The bleachers are glued down, coaches boxes are made, a A&P sign is on the wall, as a new advertiser, Arby's has some items on a pole. One of my first jobs out of college in 1978 was being a GM for a Arby's in MD. The 1965 HO Plasticville Swimming pool is in place with a cat on the diving board. This has ancient dust imbedded on it from my childhood home. Some real ballparks have swimming pools, so the Pinheads Baseball club is on this with a 1950s motel Kidney Shape pool. All the latest at this ballpark. I will have to add people to the stands. Players benches are made too. backstop is up.

Other shots are the finished industrial area in Tuftsville.

I will be adding more people, cars and trees, as next are the fences to be made, for the stockyard and farm.

Remember that Gondola, AF, with the hole in the side? Well, it mysteriously showed up at my house yesterday as it has graffiti all over it now. My good friend, as we have emailed in the past, actually brought it for 2.99, as you remember the first time on ebay it was listed at 10! Don wrote the graffiti on it, as it makes reference to all the things I said about the car, like the folk song about a hole in the bucket, the black knight from the Holy Grail Monty Python movie and so on. So since I started this thread on it, Don decided that it should have a good home. And it will. It is great, as Linda and I love this car. I have allot of rare AF but this car outshines them all. It is priceless. I think Don had allot of fun "fixing" this car, as he sent me all the emails about this car on the TTML, so I have a book on it. I have to write a email on what Don wrote me later.

So other pictures is of the shelves for my milk bottles, as I had to clear the top shelve of some train things and move over to some other shelves. I have about 200 more milk bottles upstairs in the living room. I have two milk bottles coming today that I got on Ebay last week.

So this is the latest on the D&K RR.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60823 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/25/2010
Subject: Whistle Generators
The steam and diesel whistle generators, have a mechanism that vibrate inside the tube.

How does that get the speaker to make the sound?

I was asked that question by someone who is a O guager as Lionel whistles do not work like that.

Also he showed me on the AF box cars, how the rivets on the left side of the car, have a space in the middle of the wall of smooth plastic for about a 1/4 inch while the right side the rivets on the box car wall go all the way down the car from top to bottom. Does any one know why this is?

Another little tidbit was him showing me how fiction on different makes of train wheel effect the speed. IE AF box cars are slower then a S Helper car when push down the track by hand. Modern technology.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60824 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/25/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - double sheathed 40' boxcars and 2 bay o
>>> Today's sale features all in-stock roadnames of our double
>>> sheathed 40' boxcars and 2 bay offset hoppers. Check out the sale
>>> page at:
>>>
>> http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html
>>
>>> Don
>>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60825 From: Bob Moyer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: CTT magazines
To All:

I'm cleaning out a bunch of Classic Toy Train magazines. It's over a foot
high stack. Mostly all this century but not every issue. Before they get in
the hands of my better half and get tossed, anybody want them? If you live
around Doylestown PA. reply to this email and stop by to pick them up.
Shipping would be heavy and probably not worth it. I also have a stack of
early 80's Garden Railway magazines that can go to a good home. many of
those have articles by the eminent poster in our group
named------------Stumpy Stone!

Regards

Bob Moyer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60826 From: robert hendrickson Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
I can answer the rivets question Mike. That was to allow for applying the road name more easily. It also works well for decal placement when redocorating cars.
 
Bob


--- On Thu, 6/24/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:49 PM


 



The steam and diesel whistle generators, have a mechanism that vibrate inside the tube.

How does that get the speaker to make the sound?

I was asked that question by someone who is a O guager as Lionel whistles do not work like that.

Also he showed me on the AF box cars, how the rivets on the left side of the car, have a space in the middle of the wall of smooth plastic for about a 1/4 inch while the right side the rivets on the box car wall go all the way down the car from top to bottom. Does any one know why this is?

Another little tidbit was him showing me how fiction on different makes of train wheel effect the speed. IE AF box cars are slower then a S Helper car when push down the track by hand. Modern technology.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60827 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
The AF vibrator and vacuum tube whistle/horn generators all used a similar
principal of superimposing an audio frequency on the track. The speakers in
the tenders etc. were tuned to reject the 60 cycle track voltage and pass
the higher audio frequencies. The capacitor and resistor and
impedance of the speaker made the tuned circuit.

The Vacuum tube generator had the best sound and actually generated two
tones that beat like a real set of horns.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:49 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators



The steam and diesel whistle generators, have a mechanism that vibrate
inside the tube.

How does that get the speaker to make the sound?

I was asked that question by someone who is a O guager as Lionel whistles
do not work like that.

Also he showed me on the AF box cars, how the rivets on the left side of
the car, have a space in the middle of the wall of smooth plastic for about
a 1/4 inch while the right side the rivets on the box car wall go all the
way down the car from top to bottom. Does any one know why this is?

Another little tidbit was him showing me how fiction on different makes of
train wheel effect the speed. IE AF box cars are slower then a S Helper car
when push down the track by hand. Modern technology.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60828 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Thank you Carl.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators



The AF vibrator and vacuum tube whistle/horn generators all used a similar
principal of superimposing an audio frequency on the track. The speakers in
the tenders etc. were tuned to reject the 60 cycle track voltage and pass
the higher audio frequencies. The capacitor and resistor and
impedance of the speaker made the tuned circuit.

The Vacuum tube generator had the best sound and actually generated two
tones that beat like a real set of horns.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:49 PM
To: S trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators

The steam and diesel whistle generators, have a mechanism that vibrate
inside the tube.

How does that get the speaker to make the sound?

I was asked that question by someone who is a O guager as Lionel whistles
do not work like that.

Also he showed me on the AF box cars, how the rivets on the left side of
the car, have a space in the middle of the wall of smooth plastic for about
a 1/4 inch while the right side the rivets on the box car wall go all the
way down the car from top to bottom. Does any one know why this is?

Another little tidbit was him showing me how fiction on different makes of
train wheel effect the speed. IE AF box cars are slower then a S Helper car
when push down the track by hand. Modern technology.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60829 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe
I have an American Flyer tender with a sideframe that came off in
shipping. It is one of the later tenders from either an Atlantic or Pacific. It
is the type that has knuckle couplers.

How should I try to re-attach the sideframe? Is there a super-glue that
would work?

- Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60830 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Thanks Bob, as that is what my friend said.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators



I can answer the rivets question Mike. That was to allow for applying the road name more easily. It also works well for decal placement when redocorating cars.

Bob

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:49 PM



The steam and diesel whistle generators, have a mechanism that vibrate inside the tube.

How does that get the speaker to make the sound?

I was asked that question by someone who is a O guager as Lionel whistles do not work like that.

Also he showed me on the AF box cars, how the rivets on the left side of the car, have a space in the middle of the wall of smooth plastic for about a 1/4 inch while the right side the rivets on the box car wall go all the way down the car from top to bottom. Does any one know why this is?

Another little tidbit was him showing me how fiction on different makes of train wheel effect the speed. IE AF box cars are slower then a S Helper car when push down the track by hand. Modern technology.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60831 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Mike,

I agree with Carl that the vacuum tube generator sounds the best! Carl
gave me some help on rebuilding mine a few years ago and it's great. I
like that fact that I can use the adjusting screws that it has to change
the tone.

Daryl



On 6/26/2010 10:15 AM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Thank you Carl.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: carl@... <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:58 AM
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators
>
> The AF vibrator and vacuum tube whistle/horn generators all used a similar
> principal of superimposing an audio frequency on the track. The
> speakers in
> the tenders etc. were tuned to reject the 60 cycle track voltage and pass
> the higher audio frequencies. The capacitor and resistor and
> impedance of the speaker made the tuned circuit.
>
> The Vacuum tube generator had the best sound and actually generated two
> tones that beat like a real set of horns.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>]On Behalf
> Of michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:49 PM
> To: S trains
> Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators
>
> The steam and diesel whistle generators, have a mechanism that vibrate
> inside the tube.
>
> How does that get the speaker to make the sound?
>
> I was asked that question by someone who is a O guager as Lionel whistles
> do not work like that.
>
> Also he showed me on the AF box cars, how the rivets on the left side of
> the car, have a space in the middle of the wall of smooth plastic for
> about
> a 1/4 inch while the right side the rivets on the box car wall go all the
> way down the car from top to bottom. Does any one know why this is?
>
> Another little tidbit was him showing me how fiction on different makes of
> train wheel effect the speed. IE AF box cars are slower then a S
> Helper car
> when push down the track by hand. Modern technology.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60832 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe
Epoxy would be better, to you make a fillet with more surface area than just using ACC..


gale----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe



I have an American Flyer tender with a sideframe that came off in
shipping. It is one of the later tenders from either an Atlantic or Pacific. It
is the type that has knuckle couplers.

How should I try to re-attach the sideframe? Is there a super-glue that
would work?

- Earl Henry, Nashville

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60833 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: Whistle Generators
Thanks Daryl as I am using DCC so I can't use them, but I shown them to a O gauge friend in town for the TCA convention and hooked them up for him to hear.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Daryl Olszeski
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators



Mike,

I agree with Carl that the vacuum tube generator sounds the best! Carl
gave me some help on rebuilding mine a few years ago and it's great. I
like that fact that I can use the adjusting screws that it has to change
the tone.

Daryl

On 6/26/2010 10:15 AM, michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Thank you Carl.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: carl@... <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:58 AM
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators
>
> The AF vibrator and vacuum tube whistle/horn generators all used a similar
> principal of superimposing an audio frequency on the track. The
> speakers in
> the tenders etc. were tuned to reject the 60 cycle track voltage and pass
> the higher audio frequencies. The capacitor and resistor and
> impedance of the speaker made the tuned circuit.
>
> The Vacuum tube generator had the best sound and actually generated two
> tones that beat like a real set of horns.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>]On Behalf
> Of michael and Linda Marmer
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:49 PM
> To: S trains
> Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Generators
>
> The steam and diesel whistle generators, have a mechanism that vibrate
> inside the tube.
>
> How does that get the speaker to make the sound?
>
> I was asked that question by someone who is a O guager as Lionel whistles
> do not work like that.
>
> Also he showed me on the AF box cars, how the rivets on the left side of
> the car, have a space in the middle of the wall of smooth plastic for
> about
> a 1/4 inch while the right side the rivets on the box car wall go all the
> way down the car from top to bottom. Does any one know why this is?
>
> Another little tidbit was him showing me how fiction on different makes of
> train wheel effect the speed. IE AF box cars are slower then a S
> Helper car
> when push down the track by hand. Modern technology.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60834 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: A. C. Gilbert item
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dari-Rich-Malted-Milk-Machine-A-C-Gilbert-Co-Conn-/140381174660?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20af5ebb84

Hugo will be buying this for the concession stand at S Helper Field, so he can sell overpriced Malted Milks.

Just kidding.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60835 From: zemouse2001 Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: CTT magazines
Ah, yes, the ol' 'how my goodness! where did all those magazines come from' conundrum. I found it difficult to get rid of mine - it turned out that my local library was more than happy to take them - they put them out for people to pickup for free. Works!

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 60836 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Whistle Generators
Mike, I can answer your question about the rivets. The door slides to the
left on all AF boxcars, therefore, room has been made for the latch to
slide without catching on the left side.
Love your photos of the baseball field. When do the Patriots come to town
to play the Pinheads? I'm a Bill O'Reilly fan, in case you couldn't tell.


Carlton





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60837 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/27/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday June 27, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 52 minutes.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60838 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW9s
I am sorry I have gotten this one out a little late. I was in
Washington with Mike today at a meeting. The pre-inventory sale
continues with SW9s.

http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html

Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 60839 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Plasticville Signal Bridge
Here's a couple of shots of a new-issue signal bridge - it's got a nice
level of detail for a kit that was first released in 1954

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/signals/signalbridge1.jpg

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/signals/signalbridge2.jpg

I can see why people kit-bash them.

I'm hoping to be able to use a lot of Plasticville on my new pike, I
think it'll be a better fit with S than it is with O gauge..


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60840 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Information Request - if permitted
A lot of mail comes through these lists from small S manufacturers or
suppliers without the web addresses.

I think it would be appropriate to include the site url in your
signatures if not prohibited by the moderator. It would certainly help
me in locating things I may buy since as a relatively newbie (actually
returning oldie but out of touch for a while) I am not familiar with all
the references to the different sites by name.

If adding the web url is not permitted, please pardon the error.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60841 From: Pete Nelson Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Wanted Alco S-2
Hello,

I'm looking for an Overland Alco S-2. Please reply off line. Thanks.

Pete Nelson
Group: S-Trains Message: 60842 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - 3 bay PS2 covered hoppers and rebuilt b
> Today, June 27, we are featuring 3 bay PS2 hoppers 20% off ! That's
> only $39.96! Also featuring in-stock 40' rebuilt boxcars at 20%
> discount, only $42.36! This Sale runs through Monday June 28!
>
> http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html
>
> Best regards,
> Don



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60843 From: David Dewey Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: CTT mags & whistle generators
Why not take the mags around to Dr. Offices, they almost never have current
mags there, and maybe you'll find someone reads it and gets into or back
into the hobby?
Mike is using DCC, but perhaps there is a modern way to put an audio signal
in his power supply to blow the AF horn?? Surely we have some electronic
gurus here who can come up with something??
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60844 From: robert hendrickson Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe
I usually use J-B weld metal filled epoxy. It makes a very strong repair
 
Bob


--- On Sat, 6/26/10, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote:


From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] How should I re-attach an AF tender sideframe
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 9:51 AM


 



I have an American Flyer tender with a sideframe that came off in
shipping. It is one of the later tenders from either an Atlantic or Pacific. It
is the type that has knuckle couplers.

How should I try to re-attach the sideframe? Is there a super-glue that
would work?

- Earl Henry, Nashville

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60845 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW9s
Don, were you in Columbia, MD or Washington, DC?








-----Original Message-----
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: e-group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; e_group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:59 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW9s




I am sorry I have gotten this one out a little late. I was in
Washington with Mike today at a meeting. The pre-inventory sale
continues with SW9s.

http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html

Best regards,
Don






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Group: S-Trains Message: 60846 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/27/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday June 27, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60847 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - Extended vision cabooses
I hope everyone had a pleasant weekend. It was nice and toasty
here in the Northeast....
Our pre-inventory sale continues with Extended vision cabooses.

http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html

Best regards, Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 60848 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - SW9s
Union Station for an early lunch...
Don

On Jun 27, 2010, at 10:48 AM, HOwingsiii@... wrote:

> Don, were you in Columbia, MD or Washington, DC?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60849 From: SMMW Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: 44-ton GE is next release
Now that the H10-44 is in production and shipments have started trickling
out, I'm now researching the next project: the GE 44-tonner in Phase Ia (no
front grill) and Phase IVb (with front grill). The kit will consist of a
1-pc urethane body on a RTR mechanism wired for DC. Since the motor is
isolated from the frame, splicing into the DC wires to convert to DCC is
simple. Many parts from the 70-tonner kit offered last year are common to
the 44-tonner so the anticipated production time will be shorter than
normal.



Due to the shortened R&D-to-production cycle, there will not be enough time
to receive a deposit, then send in the balance only a couple weeks later.
If you're interested in purchasing 1 or more, now's the time to act.
Payment in full is required to place/reserve your order. Each kit is priced
at $325; shipping per order is $10 regardless of order quantity (Lower 48);
International shipments, AK and HI require more. Please mail a check or MO
to my address below; if using PayPal, use my email address and add 3.5% to
the TOTAL order (including shipping) to cover PP's fee to me.



Please note: the recent announcement from Sanda-Kan concerning cancellation
of future orders various companies have with them DO NOT affect my product
line. Except for the can motor, which comes from various European sources,
everything else used in my kits is produced by me or supplied by US
manufacturers. You can order in confidence that product shipment will not
be delayed because of international production issues that other
manufacturers may soon be facing. Made in the U.S.A. is about to take on a
whole new meaning!



Let me know off-list if you have questions concerning the product or
shipping, want to place an order or have suggestions for other kits.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

35 Springwood Drive

Asheville, NC 28805

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60850 From: The Reardon's Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CTT magazines
Bob,

I'm relatively new to S-Scale (about 5 years). And, I would love to have the old issues. I would be happy to pay for shipping.

Let me know if this works for you. preardon@....
Thanks,
Pat, in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Moyer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] CTT magazines



To All:

I'm cleaning out a bunch of Classic Toy Train magazines. It's over a foot
high stack. Mostly all this century but not every issue. Before they get in
the hands of my better half and get tossed, anybody want them? If you live
around Doylestown PA. reply to this email and stop by to pick them up.
Shipping would be heavy and probably not worth it. I also have a stack of
early 80's Garden Railway magazines that can go to a good home. many of
those have articles by the eminent poster in our group
named------------Stumpy Stone!

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60851 From: sgaugian Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Old mags
I save mine and put them out for free in one corner of our club layout at train shows - - CTT, S-Gaugian, Dispatch, Classic Trains, Lionel, SHS, AM, MicroMark catalogs, etc. They go fast. Might want to try that.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60852 From: mikenguy9 Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Majorette Yattming (hot wheel)
You probably all heard of Hotwheels. but in S scale?


They have some on ebay and the seller says 1:64.

are they S? is Majorette Yattming the S division of Hot wheels?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60853 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Decals for Flyer Heavyweights, 952, 953, 954?
Does anyone make regular or rub-on decals for the Flyer Heavyweight 952, 953 and 954 passenger cars? Thought I would make some myself, but found it impossible since printers don't have white ink!

Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 60854 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: Majorette Yattming (hot wheel)
Yes they are. The main non-scale items are the wheels. They can be
repainted and the tires can be cut down with a motor tool. Some are
garish, but some are more reasonable.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of mikenguy9
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Majorette Yattming (hot wheel)


You probably all heard of Hotwheels. but in S scale?


They have some on ebay and the seller says 1:64.

are they S? is Majorette Yattming the S division of Hot wheels?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60855 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Re: First iPhone 4 Movie
From my nephew. He has an iPhone and knows how much his Uncle likes
trains....if only they were "S"..
Don

On Jun 29, 2010, at 6:24 AM, Hal Mayes wrote:

> Shot and edited entirely on the iPhone 4. I saw this and thought you
> might find it interesting.
>
> http://www.9to5mac.com/node/18729


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60856 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - NW2s
We are getting close to the end of the pre-inventory sale. Today
we add the NW2s...
Best regards,
Don

http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 60857 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Re: First iPhone 4 Movie
Awesome Don!  Thanks for the iPhone video.  Also, brings back memories.

Bob




________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: Group <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: e_group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 6:15:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First iPhone 4 Movie

 
From my nephew. He has an iPhone and knows how much his Uncle likes
trains....if only they were "S"..
Don

On Jun 29, 2010, at 6:24 AM, Hal Mayes wrote:

> Shot and edited entirely on the iPhone 4. I saw this and thought you
> might find it interesting.
>
> http://www.9to5mac.com/node/18729

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60858 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Decals for Flyer Heavyweights, 952, 953, 954?
We carry them.



Click on "DRY TRANSFERS", in our website AF PARTS inventory.



<<Does anyone make regular or rub-on decals for the Flyer Heavyweight
952, 953 and 954 passenger cars?>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60859 From: robert hendrickson Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: E bay harassment
I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
 
Bob Hendrickson




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60860 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/29/2010
Subject: Classic and New American Flyer for Purchase
Good afternoon S-Trains members.  I've just updated and added some great pieces of American Flyer you  may be interested in for your layouts and operations.  All of my equipment is rated very good to excellent and priced right for the operator.  I'm a TCA and NASG member as well.  Please check my web site at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.   Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.

Bob   




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60861 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bob,

You were not wrong to send the messages, for the most part the corrections seem to be appreciated. And I admit there is a fine line sometimes when someone lists something as Granddads as a boy and he died in the 30's and the train is plastic and any correction is an afront to Grand dad....Sometimes maybe it should be: Buyer Beware, but you know hard feelings are going to surface after the sale or the arrival of the item. Once you get out of the group of normal sellers into the antique shop listings and one time sellers or so, all trains are old and all trains are worth a lot of money, the additional information isn't apprecitated so much. Then you gotta love the listings like: I know nothing about trains, but this set was made on 19th of May 1957 and the S-2 screw is missing out of the tender frame, the engine shell was actually from the 56 production run, and on and on.....Most of the time it is a tough call to try to make on a correction, but you tried...if anything comes of the harassment issue let the list know....we can back your correction..

gale hall

----- Original Message -----
From: robert hendrickson
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment



I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?

Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60862 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
If it was once each time it is not harassment. If you do it over and
over it is.

I recommend filing a complaint with ebay for false advertising and
explain that the 'harassment' was merely informing him that his
advertisement was false, intentionally or not.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 6/29/2010 12:57 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
> listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The
> train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he
> has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was
> postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not
> produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a
> possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has
> now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my
> question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am
> I harassing him?
>
> Bob Hendrickson
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60863 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Actually just checked out the listing and he never says the train is
from 1940, only the instruction book. In fact the 2nd line of the
current add says Post War so he may have modified it after your mail.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 6/29/2010 12:57 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
> listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The
> train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he
> has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was
> postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not
> produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a
> possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has
> now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my
> question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am
> I harassing him?
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
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>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60864 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bob,
     You are correct in advising him. He probably knows this and is trying to pass the set off as something it isn't (RARE) to get more money from it. Sounds like a very dishonest person.
     Keep up the good work.
Dave
 
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

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From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 12:57 PM


 



I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
 
Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60865 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - Reefers
Today is the last day of our pre-inventory sale. Today we add the
Reefers...
Best regards,
Don

http://www.showcaseline.com/PreInventorySale.html


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60866 From: Herbert Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
His description lists the instruction book as copyright 1940. Not having a copy in front of me, I don't know if this is correct, but could be, In that case it would be a deceptive half truth, rather than a representation of the date of manufacture.
I would contact ebay and let them kw you were pointing out a deceptive selling practice.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
>  
> Bob Hendrickson
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60867 From: clayton deich Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: First iPhone 4 Movie
I posted this Iphone video to my facebook. Well done...
 Clayton

--- On Tue, 6/29/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: First iPhone 4 Movie
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 5:57 AM
















 









Awesome Don!  Thanks for the iPhone video.  Also, brings back memories.



Bob



________________________________

From: Don Thompson <don@...>

To: Group <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Cc: e_group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 6:15:38 AM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First iPhone 4 Movie



 

From my nephew. He has an iPhone and knows how much his Uncle likes

trains....if only they were "S"..

Don



On Jun 29, 2010, at 6:24 AM, Hal Mayes wrote:



> Shot and edited entirely on the iPhone 4. I saw this and thought you

> might find it interesting.

>

> http://www.9to5mac.com/node/18729



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60868 From: clayton deich Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bob, he only has three by his name. Now tell me what would he know about rare.
 Clayton

--- On Tue, 6/29/10, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:

From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 9:57 AM
















 









I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?

 

Bob Hendrickson



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60869 From: Robert Conner Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bob.... No you were not Wrong!!!! I see nothing that should be wrong with helping someone with information about thier listing. I have done this many times and some times gotten a Thank You!!! But AS WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE SOME NUTS OUT THERE!!!! You only told him the truth... But he knows it all... 1940???? Tell Ebay that his ad is misleading and could cause someone to actually lose money buying something that is not what it is advertized..... Bob Conner

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From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 12:57 PM


 



I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
 
Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60870 From: clayton deich Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
 I would say after reading this it would be clear even if he is in error. I would not buy it, and it's not rare. I have all of the items, and some in sets. It's to high, but you can ask what you want for your stuff on ebay. 
 Clayton


I try to describe items as accurately as possible. Although, all sales are considered final, if there is an error in my description or a problem with the item I will issue a full refund of purchase price less all ebay fees if contacted within 3 days of receipt of item, however, please note that I do not refund shipping charges. I do not intentionally misrepresent any item I am selling. Many of my items come from different estates, I do not know if the item has been exposed to smoking or pets prior to receiving the item. All items are as is. You are encouraged to ask questions prior to purchase.

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From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 9:57 AM
















 









I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?

 

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60871 From: Dale Smith Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
I guess it all depends how it is said, but a polite notification should
not be considered harassment. I have done this several times and in most
cases the seller has been appreciative. I noted that he has apparently
changed his listing to "Post War," a tacit admission that you were
indeed correct.

Even with that change, he still has some innacuracies. He seems to me to
imply that this is a set by calling it a "freight train." Also, I have
never seen a gray 640 hopper described as a "Silver 640 coal loader." He
does have one nice piece in the circus flat with load, but he doesn't
seem to be aware of it. I am not that up on the colors of original
loads, so maybe someone else can comment on that.

All in all, he appears to be selling something he knows nothing of and
wants to be sure he doesn't let it go too cheap. He isn't a real
experienced seller with only a 3 feedback rating. I think this may be
his first sale.

I will be interested to see what Ebay does to his complaint against you.
I hope it is nothing. It is really in Ebay's long term interest to
encourage accurate listings, but in the short run, if someone falls for
a false listing, Ebay won't turn down their cut.

Dale Smith

robert hendrickson wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
> listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The
> train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he
> has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was
> postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not
> produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a
> possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has
> now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my
> question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am
> I harassing him?
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60872 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
You are not harassing him - I sometimes do this but 5 times out of 10
it is a waste of time. You could in fact have put in a complaint to
eBay by clicking on "report this item"and since it is easily proven
to be a misleading listing they should pull it. Alistair
On Wed 30/06/10 2:27 AM , robert hendrickson
canambob91710k@... sent:
I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The
train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he
has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was
postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not
produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a
possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has
now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my
question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am
I harassing him?
Bob Hendrickson
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60873 From: MikeS Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Pre-War American Flyer
I have a pre war American Flyer 4-rail Hiawatha set, whistling tender. I am looking for a scan of the instruction sheet.

Anyone help? Any suggestions where to find?

Thanks, Mike Spanier (hspanier@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60874 From: Dave Winslow Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
robert hendrickson wrote:
>
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
> listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The
> train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has
> listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was
> postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced
> until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible
> complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a
> complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the
> group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
>
> Bob Hendrickson

As one who rarely misses either People's Court, or Judge
Judy, I say such does not constitute legal harassment.

I note that 220628669850 does not claim the set is 1940, but
is of post war vintage. So, he would seem to have corrected
his error.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60875 From: Bruce Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bob,

No, I do it all the time. Mostly, the seller thanks me for the information. This guy sounds like a disgruntled "know-it-all". Have you checked his feedback?

Bruce





From: robert hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:57 AM
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment



I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?

Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60876 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Tell the guy once and you are a helpful eBay citizen. More than that and
you are approaching busybody status.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of robert hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:57 PM
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment

I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The
train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has
listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was
postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced
until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible
complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a
complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the
group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?

If this guy and his listings are bothering you, contact eBay. After
that, let it slide.
 
Bob Hendrickson
Group: S-Trains Message: 60877 From: UNLV666@aol.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
There should be no complaint about learning the truth.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60878 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bob,

I would forget about it, as you did nothing wrong.

I have filed a few complaints on ebay and they went no where.

This complaint on the sellers part is silly, it will be dropped by ebay if he did file something.

And if he did and it goes through, just explain to ebay like you did to the group, you will be fine.

Again, I do not think you will hear from Ebay on this. It is a silly complaint and they have more important things to do.

You will be fine.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60879 From: race944t Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Sometimes doing the right thing for the wrong person just doesn't work. I think everyone on this group should send him one polite e-mail telling him his train is post war and made in the 1950's.

Banker Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
>  
> Bob Hendrickson
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60880 From: kyreckers Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
This is a followup from my earlier post about dismantling working engines to sell as part. I wanted to wait for a response from the seller before identifying them. The post concerned an ebay posting by dhstow of Wilton, CA (STOW IT COLLECTIONS). My email to them was as follows:

Dear dhstow,

Yesterday morning, I was the high bidder on a 322 chassis and motor you had for auction. I was determined to bid whatever I must to win it. However, when I looked at your other store offerings, I was dismayed: you had apparently taken an intact Hudson and broken it up into pieces to sell---a chop-shop operation. I stopped bidding when I realized this.
I'm not going to attempt to convince you not to do this: I believe arguments about history, love of the hobby, etc. would be made to deaf ears. I'm only going to say I find this practice offensive and will not bid on any of your future offerings.

Sincerely,
Leonard Cecil

Their response:

Dear lcecil52,

Hi, I understand. We have a multiscale layout that encircles a 40,000 square foot warehouse that is a personel museum of all kinds of items, from Model Ts, to vinatge tractors and lots of vintage toys. All our collection is in excellent or better condition. We use to take broken locos apart and fix them up to sell them, but we found that the demand is greater for the parts. Many hobby enthusiasts need good parts to fix their toys. Should we ignore this demand? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect yours. But maybe you should learn a little about the people you insult, before doing so.
Have a nice day!
Tammy


- dhstow

It's up to each of you to do as he or she sees fit. Personally, I cannot patronize a business that breaks up working antique engines to make a profit from selling it's parts.

Sincerely,
Len
Group: S-Trains Message: 60881 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Ebay harassment
I have several times suggested corrections to people selling Flyer items on Ebay and always got a reply, most of the time thankful and polite. You have experienced the other side of the coin. I have gotten comments about some of the postings I have made on this site, most polite and kind, but there is out there the one who does like to harass. I found it not worth my trouble get upset with this kind of person, he has a problem, let him live with it.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60882 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bob, I too agree with the Mike in MD, as E-Bay has far more important
issues to ignore. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 6/30/2010 8:30:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Bob,

I would forget about it, as you did nothing wrong.

I have filed a few complaints on ebay and they went no where.

This complaint on the sellers part is silly, it will be dropped by ebay if
he did file something.

And if he did and it goes through, just explain to ebay like you did to
the group, you will be fine.

Again, I do not think you will hear from Ebay on this. It is a silly
complaint and they have more important things to do.

You will be fine.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60883 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
I think we need to leave the seller alone, as I looked at the bid and he has on the bid Post War trains.

He only mentions "1940" as a instruction booklet he has in this is copyrighted 1940 as he states that and that is fine.

As for him calling this rare, so be it, as many things on Ebay are listed as rare.

I don't think he is going to file anything against Bob.

Mike
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: E bay harassment



Sometimes doing the right thing for the wrong person just doesn't work. I think everyone on this group should send him one polite e-mail telling him his train is post war and made in the 1950's.

Banker Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
>
> Bob Hendrickson
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60884 From: Dave Winslow Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
I don't understand how a person can so myopic as to
disparage this practice.

Every donor engine contributes greatly to the availability
of parts, enabling multiple engines to come back on the
road. The net effect is more working trains. As a car
enthusiast, I know this very well when it comes to original
parts for classic cars or hot rods. Without the salvaging of
some, many more would never be restored.

If one can make a profit by turning en engine into a donor,
i.e. if the sum of the parts are worth more and readily
salable, it means those parts are of greater value to
people. There is certainly no shame in helping them all in
their restoration efforts, or making an income for oneself
in the process. I call it American ingenuity and enterprise
-- a very good thing.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60885 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
He might do to Bob, what he did to me, that was to block me after I raised
the same issue with him. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 6/30/2010 10:32:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




I think we need to leave the seller alone, as I looked at the bid and he
has on the bid Post War trains.

He only mentions "1940" as a instruction booklet he has in this is
copyrighted 1940 as he states that and that is fine.

As for him calling this rare, so be it, as many things on Ebay are listed
as rare.

I don't think he is going to file anything against Bob.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: race944t
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: E bay harassment

Sometimes doing the right thing for the wrong person just doesn't work. I
think everyone on this group should send him one polite e-mail telling him
his train is post war and made in the 1950's.

Banker Bill Clark

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The train is
composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I
politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not
possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal
was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect
listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming
harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this
guy or am I harassing him?
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60886 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Here is a link to my new toy.
It is a Camera Railcar with remote control panning ability.

http://www.tuveson.com/kc-camera-car/kc_camera_car.htm

Kinda Fun,
Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 60887 From: Rance and Bente Date: 6/30/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Hi Carl:
Great video - like the motion on the BigBoy's drivers.

Anyone have a big boy for sale?
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

carl@... wrote:
>
>
> Here is a link to my new toy.
> It is a Camera Railcar with remote control panning ability.
>
> http://www.tuveson.com/kc-camera-car/kc_camera_car.htm
>
> Kinda Fun,
> Carl
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60888 From: michael prell Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Here we go again. I made the same complaint about a year ago and got told the same basic thing. It's the American way. It's the owners right. It,s....It's....It's......Blaa, Bla...Bla...
I own a few really great old "vintage" flyer engines. A couple of them come from when I was a little kid, given to me by my Dad. When I go I've made plans to have my grand-kids have them. I would hate like hell to have them broken up for parts. Somehow that, to me, wouldn't seem neither right nor justified.  Some would say that I'm being sentimental. Damn right I am. In this any thing for a buck world that we live in, about the only thing we seem to value is the almighty buck. No more pride in preserving the originality of a treasure. Sad.
MLPrell

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:


From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 1:32 PM


 



I don't understand how a person can so myopic as to
disparage this practice.

Every donor engine contributes greatly to the availability
of parts, enabling multiple engines to come back on the
road. The net effect is more working trains. As a car
enthusiast, I know this very well when it comes to original
parts for classic cars or hot rods. Without the salvaging of
some, many more would never be restored.

If one can make a profit by turning en engine into a donor,
i.e. if the sum of the parts are worth more and readily
salable, it means those parts are of greater value to
people. There is certainly no shame in helping them all in
their restoration efforts, or making an income for oneself
in the process. I call it American ingenuity and enterprise
-- a very good thing.

Dave W.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60889 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: National Train Show.....2011 in "S"acramento
Yes, Duluth is just around the corner, but I need to remind folks that a
deadline of sorts is approaching if you want to rent booth space at the
National Train Show in Sacramento and be included in the S GROUPING of
suppliers/layouts.
Since space at the NTS is frequently sold out at the prior years NMRA
convention, it will behoove folks to make their reservations PRIOR to this
year's NMRA convention in Milwaukee. I'd suggest making your reservations
before July 10th in order to have a good chance at obtaining the booth space
you'd like. Same comment for folks with display layouts. Click here for
details of who to contact, etc.:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#nts

The early bird gets the worm. Late birds get leftovers...if there are any.

See you in Duluth...Ed Loizeaux
Group: S-Trains Message: 60890 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
OK...... I have enough parts to build at least 4 Hudsons, and a dozen Atlantics, along with ?????? Shells, boilers, etc... Just saw a Burlington F-9 shell on the shelf...And????? So I am not dissassembling them and I am not going to put them back into working locos...
..... So when you start seeing parts pop up from me.... ...  They were that way when I got them, or were doner parts and the parts used for other Locos.... ... I will never strip a good engine... I HATE TOO EVEN BREAK UP BOXED SETS!!!!! Bob

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:


From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 1:32 PM


 



I don't understand how a person can so myopic as to
disparage this practice.

Every donor engine contributes greatly to the availability
of parts, enabling multiple engines to come back on the
road. The net effect is more working trains. As a car
enthusiast, I know this very well when it comes to original
parts for classic cars or hot rods. Without the salvaging of
some, many more would never be restored.

If one can make a profit by turning en engine into a donor,
i.e. if the sum of the parts are worth more and readily
salable, it means those parts are of greater value to
people. There is certainly no shame in helping them all in
their restoration efforts, or making an income for oneself
in the process. I call it American ingenuity and enterprise
-- a very good thing.

Dave W.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60891 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Rance.... Contact me at rcon7@... as I have an extra.... Factory sealed... Bob

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote:


From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 2:36 PM


 



Hi Carl:
Great video - like the motion on the BigBoy's drivers.

Anyone have a big boy for sale?
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

carl@... wrote:
>
>
> Here is a link to my new toy.
> It is a Camera Railcar with remote control panning ability.
>
> http://www.tuveson.com/kc-camera-car/kc_camera_car.htm
>
> Kinda Fun,
> Carl
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60892 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
LOL sounds like the Antiques on Main guy to me, Mike.

Mike in cool MD.
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: E bay harassment



He might do to Bob, what he did to me, that was to block me after I raised
the same issue with him. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 6/30/2010 10:32:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

I think we need to leave the seller alone, as I looked at the bid and he
has on the bid Post War trains.

He only mentions "1940" as a instruction booklet he has in this is
copyrighted 1940 as he states that and that is fine.

As for him calling this rare, so be it, as many things on Ebay are listed
as rare.

I don't think he is going to file anything against Bob.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: race944t
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: E bay harassment

Sometimes doing the right thing for the wrong person just doesn't work. I
think everyone on this group should send him one polite e-mail telling him
his train is post war and made in the 1950's.

Banker Bill Clark

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has
listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The train is
composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I
politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not
possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal
was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect
listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming
harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this
guy or am I harassing him?
>
> Bob Hendrickson
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60893 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Carl,

Very nice, neat, interesting and so on. O:)!!

But what is with the Lionel sign in your train room.

Ohh, you are walking the line on the dark side with that sign. LOL

Chad Vader.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: STrains
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car



Here is a link to my new toy.
It is a Camera Railcar with remote control panning ability.

http://www.tuveson.com/kc-camera-car/kc_camera_car.htm

Kinda Fun,
Carl





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60894 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Here is some food for thought. If he is really breaking up only
"broken" locos for their parts, and if all the parts are accounted for
in his listings, is there one or more of those parts lots that contains
a defective part that is responsible for making the loco "broken."

What I don't understand is why these guys who cut up locomotives list
all the parts from one locomotive on the same day. If they would just
list a few parts and then wait a while and list a few more, they could
shine this past those who don't like this practice. Personally I hate
to see really nice looking and operational items broken up for parts.

Dale

kyreckers wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Their response:
>
> Dear lcecil52,
>
> ... We use to take broken locos apart and fix them up to sell them,
> but we found that the demand is greater for the parts.
>
> - dhstow
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60895 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Robert Conner wrote:
>
>
> OK...... I have enough parts to build at least
> 4 Hudsons, and a dozen Atlantics, along with
> ?????? Shells, boilers, etc... Just saw a
> Burlington F-9 shell on the shelf...And?????
> So I am not dissassembling them and I am not
> going to put them back into working locos...
> ..... So when you start seeing parts pop up
> from me.... ... They were that way when I got
> them, or were doner parts and the parts used for
> other Locos.... ... I will never strip a good
> engine... I HATE TOO EVEN BREAK UP BOXED
> SETS!!!!! Bob

Good for you. And where did all those parts you have come
from if not from the disassembly of working engines
somewhere, sometime? And why the distinction between working
and non-working engines, the difference is usually just one
salvaged part.

Seems to me it is a simple matter of what one chooses to
focus upon, the disassembly of some trains, or the
reserection of more trains.



>
> --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...
> <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>> wrote:
>
> From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@... <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 1:32 PM
>
>
>
> I don't understand how a person can so myopic as to
> disparage this practice.
>
> Every donor engine contributes greatly to the availability
> of parts, enabling multiple engines to come back on the
> road. The net effect is more working trains. As a car
> enthusiast, I know this very well when it comes to original
> parts for classic cars or hot rods. Without the salvaging of
> some, many more would never be restored.
>
> If one can make a profit by turning en engine into a donor,
> i.e. if the sum of the parts are worth more and readily
> salable, it means those parts are of greater value to
> people. There is certainly no shame in helping them all in
> their restoration efforts, or making an income for oneself
> in the process. I call it American ingenuity and enterprise
> -- a very good thing.
>
> Dave W.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60896 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Common sense and old machinery
As most of you know, I rebuild or kitbash old Flyer stuff out of junk box finds. I have bought lots of parts over the years. Collectors have called me "The Mad Butcher" because my finished stuff carries prototype or freelance roadnames instead of American Flyer Lines.
I am also into old cars in 1/1 scale and a rule of thumb that applied to vintage cars for as far back as I can recall is what I go by in working with old American Flyer:
Complete and running cars are only to be kept original or restored. Incomplete or junk yard cars are ripe to make hot rods or vintage race cars out of.
This is a simple, common sense rule that tends to satisfy both restorer and hot rodder alike, and the ragged car is cheaper for we hot rodders anyway. Except for toy trains, this thinking is widespread with most old machinery. After all, nobody buys a complete P-51 fighter that survived WWII and breaks it up for parts.
I know a guy that runs what I consider an American Flyer "chop shop." He buys complete, running engines and turns them into parts, no matter what. I saw him buy a pretty nice 0-8-0 for $300. The next time I saw it he had broken it down to the screws and washers to sell. So far he has carried these parts to train shows for three years and has yet to break even!
This shows that running a "chop shop" doesn't always pay off, but a decent engine was sacraficed and will never rise again. And when this guy dies, his family, who has no interest or knowledge of old trains, will throw all those parts in the trash.
Stumpy Stone...common sense doesn't seem to mean much these days.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60897 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
michael prell wrote:
>
>
> Here we go again. I made the same complaint about
> a year ago and got told the same basic thing. It's
> the American way. It's the owners right.

And what about this; the policy enables other engines to
return to service?

> It,s....It's....It's......Blaa, Bla...Bla...

Your deaf ear is showing.

> I own a few really great old "vintage" flyer engines.
> A couple of them come from when I was a little kid,
> given to me by my Dad.

One of my engines was the one my Dad gave me over 50 years
ago, a royal blue, others being one's I've picked up on
Ebay. My whole layout is to be an ode to Dad. I suppose this
is true for many, maybe most of us.

> When I go I've made plans to have my grand-kids have
> them. I would hate like hell to have them broken up
> for parts.

Your particular emotional attachment to inanimate things,
not unlike everyone else's, is your own. You seem to project
such feelings upon the world, and expect others to have your
own specific sensitivity. You even seem to put a holier than
though attitude to your projection. And, you continue to
ignore the emotional joys of those who are able to get Dad's
engine working again based upon a donor part bought on Ebay.

> Somehow that, to me, wouldn't seem neither right nor
> justified.

Sure, we all put such feelings into inanimate items. The
point I and maybe a couple others are trying to make is,
they guy receiving a donor part, has such feelings also, and
in most cases, there are more engines made whole again, then
engines torn down for that purpose. It seems to me your view
is a very myopic one.

> Some would say that I'm being sentimental. Damn right
> I am.

Nothing whatever wrong with that. What is wrong in my eyes,
is that you feel more for the dismantled engine, than the
people who are able to bring their broken one's back to life
via the parts.

> In this any thing for a buck world that we live in,
> about the only thing we seem to value is the almighty
> buck.

Like so many others, you discard what the buck represents.
It is human effort, as we all work or did work very hard for
what we have, most of it having come via the market and the
use of the buck. When you demonize money, you inadvertently
demonize the human effort that goes into acquiring it, or
the companies like American Flyer that were formed to
acquire it.

> No more pride in preserving the originality of a
> treasure. Sad.
> MLPrell

The work we all do to acquire our money is just as respect
worthy as anything we buy with that money. It is after all,
just a means of making trade more flexible, and trade is
cooperation between people, is noble, and so is the buck
that lends itself to that purpose.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60898 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Dale Smith wrote:
>
>
> Here is some food for thought. If he is really
> breaking up only "broken" locos for their parts,
> and if all the parts are accounted for in his
> listings, is there one or more of those parts
> lots that contains a defective part that is
> responsible for making the loco "broken."

Could be, and what of it?

Maybe some less than perfect but running locos are made into
donors. Maybe some parts are tossed aside as un-useful.
Maybe a defective part is sold. That still leaves us with
SOME buyers being able to put SOME locos back on the road
via the reuse of parts no longer manufactured. One buyer
ending up with a defective part does not nullify the value
of the process.

> What I don't understand is why these guys who cut up
> locomotives list all the parts from one locomotive on
> the same day.

Seems easy enough for me to understand. They dismantle the
engine in one day, take pictures perhaps, in one day, why
would they delay listing them?

BTW, there is not much "cutting", but careful disassembly so
as to safeguard the sum of the parts.

> If they would just list a few parts and then wait a
> while and list a few more, they could shine this past
> those who don't like this practice.

Why would someone eking out a few backs by disassembling
model trains, waste his time worrying about such subjective
concerns of some, while he benefits the many who buy his stuff?

> Personally I hate to see really nice looking and
> operational items broken up for parts.

Of course, we all prefer to see trains restored. So, why
would you look at one process and neglect to see the other?

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60899 From: MikeS Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Each time I see parts of your layout I always come away dazzled with the track work. Fantastic.

Mike Spanier

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a link to my new toy.
> It is a Camera Railcar with remote control panning ability.
>
> http://www.tuveson.com/kc-camera-car/kc_camera_car.htm
>
> Kinda Fun,
> Carl
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60900 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Narrow Tie Roadbed for sale
I have listed on Ebay some original A.C. Gilbert narrow tie roadbed & track. If interested check it out: 140422311769

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 60901 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Carl's track work is amazing.

Carl, whose track is this, as maybe you made some of this track?

Very nice.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: MikeS
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:49 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car



Each time I see parts of your layout I always come away dazzled with the track work. Fantastic.

Mike Spanier

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a link to my new toy.
> It is a Camera Railcar with remote control panning ability.
>
> http://www.tuveson.com/kc-camera-car/kc_camera_car.htm
>
> Kinda Fun,
> Carl
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60902 From: michael prell Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
"What I don't understand is why these guys who cut up locomotives list
all the parts from one locomotive on the same day."


Why? Because they're idiots!
MLP 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:


From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 3:14 PM


 



Here is some food for thought. If he is really breaking up only
"broken" locos for their parts, and if all the parts are accounted for
in his listings, is there one or more of those parts lots that contains
a defective part that is responsible for making the loco "broken."

What I don't understand is why these guys who cut up locomotives list
all the parts from one locomotive on the same day. If they would just
list a few parts and then wait a while and list a few more, they could
shine this past those who don't like this practice. Personally I hate
to see really nice looking and operational items broken up for parts.

Dale

kyreckers wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Their response:
>
> Dear lcecil52,
>
> ... We use to take broken locos apart and fix them up to sell them,
> but we found that the demand is greater for the parts.
>
> - dhstow
>
>
>










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Group: S-Trains Message: 60903 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Over the many years I have picked up a piece here... a part there... a box of stuuff, etc... I know there is enough spread around to PUT TOGETHER A 46 AND A 47 HUDSON... and others.... Picked up a few pieces here and there So I am not chopping up items... I picked up a 326 not too long ago for 40.00   almost all parts there.... loose... no plans on putting it back together... I even have ORIGINAL smoke wicks that are loose... never useed...Bob

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:


From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 7:33 AM


 





Robert Conner wrote:
>
>
> OK...... I have enough parts to build at least
> 4 Hudsons, and a dozen Atlantics, along with
> ?????? Shells, boilers, etc... Just saw a
> Burlington F-9 shell on the shelf...And?????
> So I am not dissassembling them and I am not
> going to put them back into working locos...
> ..... So when you start seeing parts pop up
> from me.... ... They were that way when I got
> them, or were doner parts and the parts used for
> other Locos.... ... I will never strip a good
> engine... I HATE TOO EVEN BREAK UP BOXED
> SETS!!!!! Bob

Good for you. And where did all those parts you have come
from if not from the disassembly of working engines
somewhere, sometime? And why the distinction between working
and non-working engines, the difference is usually just one
salvaged part.

Seems to me it is a simple matter of what one chooses to
focus upon, the disassembly of some trains, or the
reserection of more trains.

>
> --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...
> <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>> wrote:
>
> From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@... <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 1:32 PM
>
>
>
> I don't understand how a person can so myopic as to
> disparage this practice.
>
> Every donor engine contributes greatly to the availability
> of parts, enabling multiple engines to come back on the
> road. The net effect is more working trains. As a car
> enthusiast, I know this very well when it comes to original
> parts for classic cars or hot rods. Without the salvaging of
> some, many more would never be restored.
>
> If one can make a profit by turning en engine into a donor,
> i.e. if the sum of the parts are worth more and readily
> salable, it means those parts are of greater value to
> people. There is certainly no shame in helping them all in
> their restoration efforts, or making an income for oneself
> in the process. I call it American ingenuity and enterprise
> -- a very good thing.
>
> Dave W.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 60904 From: Theodore Weiler Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
I also have parts.  They came with a collection I purchased a long time ago.  Since the owner passed away, I have to assume there were problems.

Ted Weiler
Weatherford, TX




________________________________




Good for you. And where did all those parts you have come
from if not from the disassembly of working engines
somewhere, sometime? And why the distinction between working
and non-working engines, the difference is usually just one
salvaged part.

Seems to me it is a simple matter of what one chooses to
focus upon, the disassembly of some trains, or the
reserection of more trains.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60905 From: michael prell Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
No, Stumpy. I certainly does not seem to!
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Common sense and old machinery
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:23 AM


 



As most of you know, I rebuild or kitbash old Flyer stuff out of junk box finds. I have bought lots of parts over the years. Collectors have called me "The Mad Butcher" because my finished stuff carries prototype or freelance roadnames instead of American Flyer Lines.
I am also into old cars in 1/1 scale and a rule of thumb that applied to vintage cars for as far back as I can recall is what I go by in working with old American Flyer:
Complete and running cars are only to be kept original or restored. Incomplete or junk yard cars are ripe to make hot rods or vintage race cars out of.
This is a simple, common sense rule that tends to satisfy both restorer and hot rodder alike, and the ragged car is cheaper for we hot rodders anyway. Except for toy trains, this thinking is widespread with most old machinery. After all, nobody buys a complete P-51 fighter that survived WWII and breaks it up for parts.
I know a guy that runs what I consider an American Flyer "chop shop." He buys complete, running engines and turns them into parts, no matter what. I saw him buy a pretty nice 0-8-0 for $300. The next time I saw it he had broken it down to the screws and washers to sell. So far he has carried these parts to train shows for three years and has yet to break even!
This shows that running a "chop shop" doesn't always pay off, but a decent engine was sacraficed and will never rise again. And when this guy dies, his family, who has no interest or knowledge of old trains, will throw all those parts in the trash.
Stumpy Stone...common sense doesn't seem to mean much these days.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60906 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: new subject
At a way to go Carl,
Great video is an understatement, and your innovation is fantastic. I sure do enjoy this site and all the great ideas that come with it. Keep up the great work.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60907 From: clayton deich Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
Bill do you want us to all get kicked off ebay so you can clean up on the bidding?? Just a joke...
 Clayton..

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, race944t <race944t@...> wrote:

From: race944t <race944t@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: E bay harassment
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:23 AM
















 









Sometimes doing the right thing for the wrong person just doesn't work. I think everyone on this group should send him one polite e-mail telling him his train is post war and made in the 1950's.



Banker Bill Clark



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?

>  

> Bob Hendrickson

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60908 From: clayton deich Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
 Carl can I post this to my facebook for some of my friends to see? Nice job putting the camera together, and the movie too.
 Clayton

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:

From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:47 AM
















 









Here is a link to my new toy.

It is a Camera Railcar with remote control panning ability.



http://www.tuveson.com/kc-camera-car/kc_camera_car.htm



Kinda Fun,

Carl






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60909 From: aztecfan Date: 7/1/2010
Subject: Your living in my house and playing with my toys
Great job. Hope to see it in person some day.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 60910 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4943
Rance,

Nicholas Smith Trains in Broomall, Pennsylvania still has a few for sale.

_http://www.nstrains.com/_ (http://www.nstrains.com/)

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 7/1/2010 6:30:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Anyone have a big boy for sale?
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60911 From: sgaugian Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Carl,

Great job on the panning camera and movie. Your Big Boy engine shell loooks more level than most. What did you do to negate the otherwise stock rearward slope or pitch?
Group: S-Trains Message: 60912 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
I bought a 307 once to part out and repair a 336. Am I bad?

One thing worth remembering, who are we saving these toys for?

For the most part, generations after us, want HO, N or something other than trains.

Common Gilbert pieces will become so plentiful that prices and demand will drop.

One can assume that parts salvaged are used to restore other trains. So one engine gives its life to bring many others into running condition.

I personally try not to disassemble Gilbert stuff. I have bought a couple dozen common cabooses, some even with broken steps, and can not bring myself to take them apart for trucks.

I know it is the way that many parts dealers get their inventory, but just as I don't care to slaughter my own beef, I for the most part don't care to take apart Gilbert stuff. But I do eat beef, and I do buy parts to repair trains. If the demand or need wasn't there, nobody would do it.

I have a 312 that I bought off eBay for parts. It is still whole. It is a beautiful engine that basically just needs a little love, a couple hand rails and replacement wiring between the tender and boiler. I am going to have another 312. Yipee!

Chuck Harrington

A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!
http://myflyertrains.org



>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60913 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Whatever one thinks of " dismantling" locomotives, (I won't say "cut"
up or even "broken" up, in the interests of total accuracy) I don't see
how the sale of defective merchandise can be condoned. Sure there may
be instances where this happens and the seller was unaware of the
defect. If I were the seller, I would refund the buyer if the part
actually proved to be defective, but there are probably some who would
hold him to the deal even in the case of a defective item and claim that
as a seller he made no promises that it would not be defective.

I try to do business only with those whose merchandising techniques
don't rely too heavily on the doctrine of "caveat emptor."

Dale


> Dale Smith wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Here is some food for thought. If he is really
>> breaking up only "broken" locos for their parts,
>> and if all the parts are accounted for in his
>> listings, is there one or more of those parts
>> lots that contains a defective part that is
>> responsible for making the loco "broken."
>>
>
> Could be, and what of it? ...
>
> Maybe a defective part is sold.
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60914 From: Edward Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: E bay harassment....
I too had sent this guy an email the other day doing what others have done and do to try and educate some people who are as thick as a brick (Judge Judys comment)..this is the e mail and his responce sent to me LOLOL

Dear surfkat303,

Rare..???....This set is one step up from a starter set...it was produced 52-53...since it has link couplers...Knuckle couplers came out in 54...It was also produced in vast numbers ...making it a very common item..but no where near a value of 400 bucks....the one good car you have with it is the circus car..which has the load...usually broken or missing it is not rare but has the load making it desireable ..has a value between 1-200 ....You might decide to lower your asking price a bit..ie:200...and let bidders show you True Value..it will go up from there..Good Luck

- fyrrfytr
And his very educated responce..>>

Dear fyrrfytr,

This is from an estate sale and we don't claim to be "toy train" geeks. We are simply selling something we aquired and as for term rare, that was determined through an appraisal from the country's largest model train supplier in the country. I trust them far more than some "toy train" hobby snobs who thinks he's the big man throwing around accusasions of ignorance. Your probably correct about the vast numbers produced... 70 years ago! Bottom line... It will eventually sell and not to you...Not a big deal... Get over yourself... Don't bid... That's all you had to do... I don't recall... Did I send you something that requested your opinion...Nope!
Best Regards...fyrrfytr


- surfkat303

Mom always told me... "The only thing you can expect
from a Pig is a Grunt"
..Momizums are so good...
Group: S-Trains Message: 60915 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Hi Bob,
� Let me know if you want to sell any or all of the parts.
Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:37 AM







 









Over the many years I have picked up a piece here... a part there... a box of stuuff, etc... I know there is enough spread around to PUT TOGETHER A 46 AND A 47 HUDSON... and others.... Picked up a few pieces here and there So I am not chopping up items... I picked up a 326 not too long ago for 40.00 almost all parts there.... loose... no plans on putting it back together... I even have ORIGINAL smoke wicks that are loose... never useed...Bob



--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:



From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 7:33 AM







Robert Conner wrote:

>

>

> OK...... I have enough parts to build at least

> 4 Hudsons, and a dozen Atlantics, along with

> ?????? Shells, boilers, etc... Just saw a

> Burlington F-9 shell on the shelf...And?????

> So I am not dissassembling them and I am not

> going to put them back into working locos...

> ..... So when you start seeing parts pop up

> from me.... ... They were that way when I got

> them, or were doner parts and the parts used for

> other Locos.... ... I will never strip a good

> engine... I HATE TOO EVEN BREAK UP BOXED

> SETS!!!!! Bob



Good for you. And where did all those parts you have come

from if not from the disassembly of working engines

somewhere, sometime? And why the distinction between working

and non-working engines, the difference is usually just one

salvaged part.



Seems to me it is a simple matter of what one chooses to

focus upon, the disassembly of some trains, or the

reserection of more trains.



>

> --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...

> <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>> wrote:

>

> From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@... <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>>

> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 1:32 PM

>

>

>

> I don't understand how a person can so myopic as to

> disparage this practice.

>

> Every donor engine contributes greatly to the availability

> of parts, enabling multiple engines to come back on the

> road. The net effect is more working trains. As a car

> enthusiast, I know this very well when it comes to original

> parts for classic cars or hot rods. Without the salvaging of

> some, many more would never be restored.

>

> If one can make a profit by turning en engine into a donor,

> i.e. if the sum of the parts are worth more and readily

> salable, it means those parts are of greater value to

> people. There is certainly no shame in helping them all in

> their restoration efforts, or making an income for oneself

> in the process. I call it American ingenuity and enterprise

> -- a very good thing.

>

> Dave W.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60916 From: Bob Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update & Announcement
Good morning. A preview of the next issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is now available on the magazine's Website (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com). The issue itself is still going through final editing and although a last-minute wrinkle has come up, it's very close to going off to the printer.

There are still a number of subscription renewals outstanding. If you haven't sent in your renewal, please do so as soon as possible.

Now for the announcement.

It's no secret that in addition to more subscribers, the magazine needs more paid display advertising. It's also no secret (unless you are brand new to the planet) that the economy is pretty lousy. Our ongoing marketing campaign has thus far focused on getting lapsed subscribers back and attracting new subscribers. Now it's time to make an appeal to all you manufacturers and sellers out there.

Effective immediately, display ad rates will be reduced 20% across the board! A new rate card will be published next week and available on the Website. These new low rates are available to both new and existing advertisers whose accounts are up to date.

Have a happy and safe Independence Day weekend!

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 60917 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Company House Cardstock Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 60918 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Moving on to a new subject.. My new Camera Car
Carl

That's a great video, the ability to pan provides some terrific shots

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60919 From: Barry Jamison Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4943
Rance,

I believe Bob means
www.nicholassmithtrains.com/store/category/3/458/AMERICAN-FLYER/



Barry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60920 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: search for BigBoy
Hi all:
Thanks to all who replied. I have purchased one, but note that there
still are several out there for sale. So, if you were as impressed as I
was from Carl Tuveson's video with his new 'toy', just go out an buy!
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 60921 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Company House Cardstock Kit
Brady,

Nice plan for a very useful structure! THNX!



For reference, can you please give a dimension for your drawing - what is
the desired length of the front wall?



Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@...

S/Sn42, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler

Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan

Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast



NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford my
own!









From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brady Burdge
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:02 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Company House Cardstock Kit





A house similar to those found in coal mining towns

Photos
http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/companyhouse/companyhouse
1.jpg
http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/companyhouse/companyhouse
2.jpg

Kit
http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/companyhouse/companyhouse
.zip

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60922 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
Dale Smith wrote:
> Whatever one thinks of " dismantling" locomotives,
> (I won't say "cut" up or even "broken" up, in the
> interests of total accuracy) I don't see how the
> sale of defective merchandise can be condoned.

No one suggested doing so. If a loco is dismantled for sale
because of an unknown bug, it can and should be disclosed of
course. This has no impact on the sale of most parts, that
is mechanical parts, bodies, etc.

> Sure there may be instances where this happens and the
> seller was unaware of the defect. If I were the seller,
> I would refund the buyer if the part actually proved to
> be defective, but there are probably some who would
> hold him to the deal even in the case of a defective
> item and claim that as a seller he made no promises
> that it would not be defective.

It should be understood, that all sales are "as is", unless
otherwise stated. In any case, I've made over 200 purchases
with Ebay, and half a dozen via Craig's List, where you talk
to the seller eye to eye. I've never been badly treated, in
fact in cases of problems, been treated better than I would
expect from the typical retailer. On two occasions I
received a damaged part, the first due to the parts
internals, the second due to shipping, and in both cases
money was refunded and I was told just keep the damaged goods.

> I try to do business only with those whose merchandising
> techniques don't rely too heavily on the doctrine of
> "caveat emptor."
>
> Dale

You seem to have some kind of grudge here. The principle
behind "caveat emptor" is not that sellers can screw the
buyers, but that many or most sellers have no way of knowing
the internal condition of a product. It is not an excuse for
fraud in anyone's mind, and not in court either.

Many sellers know little more than how to grab lots of
stuff, clean out barns, buy lots on Ebay or yard sales, then
resell or dismantle and sell parts. I rarely see anything
being sold on Ebay with a policy of no returns, probably
because sellers know how easy it is for bad items to be
traded inadvertently. I feel very safe in using it, am
thankful, could never have obtained many of the items found
via any other source or via any easier or more reliable
transaction.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60923 From: michael prell Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
David,
The next time I feel the need coming on to go visit my tharapist, I'll write to you instead. Psychiatry and analysis should be left up to the professionals. In case you missed it, and apparently some where along the way, you apparently did, what I said was as valid as any thing you wrote. As was your case, my words were merely my opinion. Northin more and not, as you would attempt to prove, nothing less. The mere fact that you took the time to critique my post certainly shows an emotional need from you to prove your point. Good for you. Ain't America great.
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:


From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dismantling Antique Engines to sell as parts...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 7:57 AM


 





michael prell wrote:
>
>
> Here we go again. I made the same complaint about
> a year ago and got told the same basic thing. It's
> the American way. It's the owners right.

And what about this; the policy enables other engines to
return to service?

> It,s....It's....It's......Blaa, Bla...Bla...

Your deaf ear is showing.

> I own a few really great old "vintage" flyer engines.
> A couple of them come from when I was a little kid,
> given to me by my Dad.

One of my engines was the one my Dad gave me over 50 years
ago, a royal blue, others being one's I've picked up on
Ebay. My whole layout is to be an ode to Dad. I suppose this
is true for many, maybe most of us.

> When I go I've made plans to have my grand-kids have
> them. I would hate like hell to have them broken up
> for parts.

Your particular emotional attachment to inanimate things,
not unlike everyone else's, is your own. You seem to project
such feelings upon the world, and expect others to have your
own specific sensitivity. You even seem to put a holier than
though attitude to your projection. And, you continue to
ignore the emotional joys of those who are able to get Dad's
engine working again based upon a donor part bought on Ebay.

> Somehow that, to me, wouldn't seem neither right nor
> justified.

Sure, we all put such feelings into inanimate items. The
point I and maybe a couple others are trying to make is,
they guy receiving a donor part, has such feelings also, and
in most cases, there are more engines made whole again, then
engines torn down for that purpose. It seems to me your view
is a very myopic one.

> Some would say that I'm being sentimental. Damn right
> I am.

Nothing whatever wrong with that. What is wrong in my eyes,
is that you feel more for the dismantled engine, than the
people who are able to bring their broken one's back to life
via the parts.

> In this any thing for a buck world that we live in,
> about the only thing we seem to value is the almighty
> buck.

Like so many others, you discard what the buck represents.
It is human effort, as we all work or did work very hard for
what we have, most of it having come via the market and the
use of the buck. When you demonize money, you inadvertently
demonize the human effort that goes into acquiring it, or
the companies like American Flyer that were formed to
acquire it.

> No more pride in preserving the originality of a
> treasure. Sad.
> MLPrell

The work we all do to acquire our money is just as respect
worthy as anything we buy with that money. It is after all,
just a means of making trade more flexible, and trade is
cooperation between people, is noble, and so is the buck
that lends itself to that purpose.

Dave W.










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Group: S-Trains Message: 60924 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - Reefers
where do I find the refers?

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From: Don Thompson <don@...>
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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS Pre-inventory Sale - Reefers
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 07:35:11 -0400

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60925 From: robert hendrickson Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment....
Just goes to show you that you can't fix stupid. I also love his comment that he has no way to test it, yet has the instruction manual, track, and transformer. Guess he knows more than all the knowledgable folks on this site.
 
Bob 

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From: Edward <am-flyr@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] E bay harassment....
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 1:40 AM


 




I too had sent this guy an email the other day doing what others have done and do to try and educate some people who are as thick as a brick (Judge Judys comment)..this is the e mail and his responce sent to me LOLOL

Dear surfkat303,

Rare..???....This set is one step up from a starter set...it was produced 52-53...since it has link couplers...Knuckle couplers came out in 54...It was also produced in vast numbers ...making it a very common item..but no where near a value of 400 bucks....the one good car you have with it is the circus car..which has the load...usually broken or missing it is not rare but has the load making it desireable ..has a value between 1-200 ....You might decide to lower your asking price a bit..ie:200...and let bidders show you True Value..it will go up from there..Good Luck

- fyrrfytr
And his very educated responce..>>

Dear fyrrfytr,

This is from an estate sale and we don't claim to be "toy train" geeks. We are simply selling something we aquired and as for term rare, that was determined through an appraisal from the country's largest model train supplier in the country. I trust them far more than some "toy train" hobby snobs who thinks he's the big man throwing around accusasions of ignorance. Your probably correct about the vast numbers produced... 70 years ago! Bottom line... It will eventually sell and not to you...Not a big deal... Get over yourself... Don't bid... That's all you had to do... I don't recall... Did I send you something that requested your opinion...Nope!
Best Regards...fyrrfytr

- surfkat303

Mom always told me... "The only thing you can expect
from a Pig is a Grunt"
..Momizums are so good...











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60926 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment....
and he chuckles -

I believe it was W. C. Fields who said: "Never give a sucker an even
break or smarten up a chump!"

I wonder what this chump paid for the 'rare' train set. More than
likely wa-a-ay too much and now wants to cash in at some 'suggested
retail' price suggested by some hobby shop who, undoubtedly, told
this 'sucker' what he wanted to hear.

No need for us 'geeks' to try and smarten him up, after all what d'
we know, but then again (and I defer again to the late great W. C.)
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on
people." Better this south-bound end of a north-bound horse learns for himself!

Raleigh in Balmeigh Maineigh...


At 01:40 AM 7/2/2010, Edward wrote:
>
>I too had sent this guy an email the other day doing what others
>have done and do to try and educate some people who are as thick as
>a brick (Judge Judys comment)..this is the e mail and his responce
>sent to me LOLOL
>
>Dear surfkat303,
>
>Rare..???....This set is one step up from a starter set...it was
>produced 52-53...since it has link couplers...Knuckle couplers came
>out in 54...It was also produced in vast numbers ...making it a very
>common item..but no where near a value of 400 bucks....the one good
>car you have with it is the circus car..which has the load...usually
>broken or missing it is not rare but has the load making it
>desireable ..has a value between 1-200 ....You might decide to lower
>your asking price a bit..ie:200...and let bidders show you True
>Value..it will go up from there..Good Luck
>
>- fyrrfytr
>And his very educated responce..>>
>
>Dear fyrrfytr,
>
>This is from an estate sale and we don't claim to be "toy train"
>geeks. We are simply selling something we aquired and as for term
>rare, that was determined through an appraisal from the country's
>largest model train supplier in the country. I trust them far more
>than some "toy train" hobby snobs who thinks he's the big man
>throwing around accusasions of ignorance. Your probably correct
>about the vast numbers produced... 70 years ago! Bottom line... It
>will eventually sell and not to you...Not a big deal... Get over
>yourself... Don't bid... That's all you had to do... I don't
>recall... Did I send you something that requested your opinion...Nope!
>Best Regards...fyrrfytr
>
>- surfkat303
>
>Mom always told me... "The only thing you can expect
>from a Pig is a Grunt"
>..Momizums are so good..
Group: S-Trains Message: 60927 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: Company House Cardstock Kit
Donald

<< For reference, can you please give a dimension for your drawing -
what is the desired length of the front wall? >>

It's four inches

Take care,

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 60928 From: Don Thompson Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Reefers
http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodreefers.html

On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:56 PM, n9guy@... wrote:

> where do I find the refers?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60929 From: David Dewey Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
HI all,

Stumpy wrote: "Complete and running cars are only to be kept original or restored. Incomplete or junk yard cars are ripe to make hot rods or vintage race cars out of."

Rats, that used to be the rule, but now the "rodders" want pristine cars so they don't have to do a lot of work (other than their butchering). I have personally seen a beautiful Franklin from the 20s (for those of you who don't know, that was an air cooled powerful six cylinder-engined car) with a big V-8--the guy's excuse; "I wanted a reliable car" (the Franklin engines are reliable--and no anti-freeze!). I've even seen a hot-rodded Rolls Royce! And this year, at our city's car show a much modified '26 T tudor, with photo album--the car started out as either a very well preserved original, or a nice older restoration. I was so sick, I didn't even ask if the guy still had any of the old parts left--I wish my T tudor was anywhere as nice as what he tore apart.

I'm also known for creating things--my Daylight RB engines, for example. But every one of them came out of parts boxes--a shell only, with damage here, a spare chassis there, a tender with rust and no top (that's why it has an oil tank top--which is more SP prototypical). No intact locos were sacrificed in my projects--in fact, one RB sold to me by mail as a "parts donor" only had a bent pilot--which I straightened and now have a pretty nice RB in my stable.

So, I may be tilting at windmills, but I think intact locos should stay intact--by now they are 50+ years old, and deserve a little respect for surviving this long!

OTOH, I cannot control what someone else does with their stuff, except to not buy it.

S'

David D.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60930 From: Edward Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: E bay harassment....Enquiring minds want to know..??
Just ..WHO..?? Is the countrys largest model train supplier ..??...that would give this guy that kind of an appraisal...??? we all need to know so that we can be sure to get that kind of an over inflated price for all the things we want to sell....LOL
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60932 From: s-nut Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: NASG building kit
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

Well, I just got the kit today and now I have a lot of work ahead of me.
As stated in the Dispatch there is a lot of prep work that has to be done, but I have the time. I will let everyone know the progress as I go . It looks like a fun kit to make.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 60933 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
Hi All,

I'm trying to replace a link coupler. I removed the old coupler and have assembled the new coupler and pin. I have everything aligned including the truck and the pinning tool. The head of the pin is on a very solid base on my work table. I then bang the tool with the hammer and cannot crimp the head of the pin. I started with a claw hammer and banged litely as per the instructions, but that didn't work. So I took my smallest ball peen hammer and banged some more. I'm up to my next to largest ball peen hammer and still no crimping. How much force is required to crimp the pin????? Or am I missing some trick of the trade?

Thanks for any advice!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60934 From: jhwysopal Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: repairing a heavyweight
I have a 900 series heavyweight red Pullman. Unfortunately, one roof corner has a chunk out of it. What type of putty or other filler would be best to use to repair it. Also, any suggestions for paint color matches? Thanks, Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 60935 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
A riviting press with the proper crimping tool is the easiest safest way
to go. Be careful not to bend the truck or coupler arm as you beat on it
with a hammer.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 07/04/2010 6:35:38 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:




Hi All,

I'm trying to replace a link coupler. I removed the old coupler and have
assembled the new coupler and pin. I have everything aligned including the
truck and the pinning tool. The head of the pin is on a very solid base on
my work table. I then bang the tool with the hammer and cannot crimp the
head of the pin. I started with a claw hammer and banged litely as per the
instructions, but that didn't work. So I took my smallest ball peen hammer and
banged some more. I'm up to my next to largest ball peen hammer and still
no crimping. How much force is required to crimp the pin????? Or am I
missing some trick of the trade?

Thanks for any advice!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60936 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
Take a slotted tool (screwdriver) and "stake" it in place. The repro pins vary wildly, widely in hardness.

Jim Lyle






-----Original Message-----
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:39 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Replacing Link Coupler - Help!


Hi All,
I'm trying to replace a link coupler. I removed the old coupler and have
ssembled the new coupler and pin. I have everything aligned including the
ruck and the pinning tool. The head of the pin is on a very solid base on my
ork table. I then bang the tool with the hammer and cannot crimp the head of
he pin. I started with a claw hammer and banged litely as per the
nstructions, but that didn't work. So I took my smallest ball peen hammer and
anged some more. I'm up to my next to largest ball peen hammer and still no
rimping. How much force is required to crimp the pin????? Or am I missing
ome trick of the trade?
Thanks for any advice!
BG1


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60937 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
David Dewey wrote:
>
>
> HI all,
>
> Stumpy wrote: "Complete and running cars are only to
> be kept original or restored. Incomplete or junk yard
> cars are ripe to make hot rods or vintage race cars
> out of."

I think he said that was his rule of thumb. It is a good
rule, as any collectible in good shape is worth more intact
than the sum of the pieces, given the labor it takes to
break down and sell each. That is why you do find very few
with time and inclination to part out old vehicles.

> Rats, that used to be the rule, but now the "rodders"
> want pristine cars so they don't have to do a lot of
> work (other than their butchering).

Building a rod is a lot of work, even when one starts with
the most perfect body. Nothing bought fits or works exactly
right, and some fabrication is always needed. Every sort of
skill is needed, often requiring the car be flat bedded to
another facility; it can take years. Saving time by starting
with a body needing minimal work is a real plus.

> I have personally seen a beautiful Franklin from the 20s
> (for those of you who don't know, that was an air cooled
> powerful six cylinder-engined car) with a big V-8--the
> guy's excuse; "I wanted a reliable car"

Hardly an excuse. I've heard of such conversions with all
kind of vehicles, and for exactly that reasons. Jaguar was a
common candidate for the swap.

> (the Franklin engines are reliable--and no anti-freeze!).

By the standard of the day maybe, but I never had a
carberater I could love, or an old ignition system. What
happens when a minor problem, broken fuel pump diaphragm for
instance breaks? Its down until a replacement is created,
not a job for the closest garage when out on the road
somewhere.

> I've even seen a hot-rodded Rolls Royce! And this year,
> at our city's car show a much modified '26 T tudor,
> with photo album--the car started out as either a very
> well preserved original, or a nice older restoration.
> I was so sick, I didn't even ask if the guy still had
> any of the old parts left--I wish my T tudor was
> anywhere as nice as what he tore apart.

I do know the feeling, and I would not be able to do it. But
rods are worth more than originals, and the market reflects
the people.

> I'm also known for creating things--my Daylight RB
> engines, for example. But every one of them came out of
> parts boxes--a shell only, with damage here, a spare
> chassis there, a tender with rust and no top (that's
> why it has an oil tank top--which is more SP
> prototypical). No intact locos were sacrificed in my
> projects--in fact, one RB sold to me by mail as a
> "parts donor" only had a bent pilot--which I
> straightened and now have a pretty nice RB in my
> stable.

I assume RB is a Royal Blue, I have one, but what does
Daylight denote? Also, what is the pilot?

> So, I may be tilting at windmills, but I think intact
> locos should stay intact--by now they are 50+ years
> old, and deserve a little respect for surviving this
> long!

Absolutely they deserve respect, and I could not watch a
nice clean old engine, car, or house torn down for any
reason. But I recognize that feeling as being my own
subjective, not shared by others, and the parts go to good
use. If I got to see the care others put into their projects
with those parts, I might have another whole set of
subjective feelings.

> OTOH, I cannot control what someone else does with their
> stuff, except to not buy it.

I respect the free market, and free people, more important
to me than any material thing. So I'll buy what I need, and
thank the supplier.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60938 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: that kind of an appraisal...???
In a message dated 7/3/2010 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
am-flyr@... writes:

..??...that would give this guy that kind of an appraisal...??? we all
need to know so that we can be sure to get that kind of an over inflated price
for all the things we want to sell....LOL

Once looked over a decent LIONEL set complete with a ZW. After I gave the
lady my offfer (she had NO price in mind when we started) she told me, per
piece how much her "repairman" told each piece was worth (2 to 3 times MORE
per piece). . I asked why she still had the set if he offered THAT much.
She then said "he didn 't buy trains, just fixed them". That was five yrs
ago, BET she still has them. Actually, HOPE she still has them.

Jim "THAT wasted a beautiful Sunday morning" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60939 From: grdobbs@juno.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: (no subject)
I find most E bay people good, some just want to sell, junk, jump bids,
look for suckers and are a real pain, , They don't want the truth,
They can't handle the truth, Don't get between them and their money. My
advice, just don't get involved with any E bay dealer, un less you are
buying from them, If the deal looks bad, it probity is. stay away.
Jerry HR77-11644


________________________________________________________________________
3. E bay harassment
Posted by: "robert hendrickson" canambob91710k@...
canambob91710k
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:42 pm ((PDT))

I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed
a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train Rare. The train is
composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed
this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and
could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the
50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a
very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against
me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong
to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?

Bob Hendrickson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60940 From: robert hendrickson Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
I have found that some of the commercially available staking tools have a hole that is too large to effectively stake the pin. I have made my own by drilling a hole in a cheap punch ( from Harbor Freight) with a hole just a little larger than the coupler pin. I drill the punch out in a drill press and cut grooves in it with a Dremel tool.  I made a staking jig by drilling a hole in a piece of scrap wood and cutting a steel rod long enough to support the coupler firmly while staking the link pin.
 
Bob


--- On Sat, 7/3/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Replacing Link Coupler - Help!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:39 PM


 



Hi All,

I'm trying to replace a link coupler. I removed the old coupler and have assembled the new coupler and pin. I have everything aligned including the truck and the pinning tool. The head of the pin is on a very solid base on my work table. I then bang the tool with the hammer and cannot crimp the head of the pin. I started with a claw hammer and banged litely as per the instructions, but that didn't work. So I took my smallest ball peen hammer and banged some more. I'm up to my next to largest ball peen hammer and still no crimping. How much force is required to crimp the pin????? Or am I missing some trick of the trade?

Thanks for any advice!

BG1











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60941 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: NASG building kit
Hi Alan ---

There is a lot of window area in the building that is easy to see through,
so I would plan out your interior arrangement before building yourself into
a corner, especially if you intend to have upper floors.

Happy 4th!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

Well, I just got the kit today and now I have a lot of work ahead of me.
As stated in the Dispatch there is a lot of prep work that has to be done,
but I have the time. Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 60942 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/4/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60943 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: NASG building kit
Dear Bill,
 
Thanks for the tip. I may have to put in an upper floor . Now I need my shary to work on the window frames. After this one is done I don't know what I will build.
� Thanks,
� Alan Lambert

--- On Sun, 7/4/10, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote:


From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NASG building kit
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 2:21 PM


 



Hi Alan ---

There is a lot of window area in the building that is easy to see through,
so I would plan out your interior arrangement before building yourself into
a corner, especially if you intend to have upper floors.

Happy 4th!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

Well, I just got the kit today and now I have a lot of work ahead of me.
As stated in the Dispatch there is a lot of prep work that has to be done,
but I have the time. Alan Lambert








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Group: S-Trains Message: 60944 From: George Cohn Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
On 7/3/2010 11:21 AM, Dave Winslow wrote:

> Hardly an excuse. I've heard of such conversions with all
> kind of vehicles, and for exactly that reasons. Jaguar was a
> common candidate for the swap.

Yep, I have a 1970 Jaguar e-type roadster and have heard that one more
than once. "Replace that unreliable piece of crap with a decent V-8" or
words to that effect. Well, the original DOHC 6 cylinder engine runs
just fine, makes no unusual noises or smoke and if I were to do as some
have suggested, would lower the collector value of the car by $30K or more.

Same with my original '73 Datsun 240Z and '74 Datsun 260Z. Almost
totally original with the original engines and drive trains.

> By the standard of the day maybe, but I never had a
> carberater I could love, or an old ignition system. What
> happens when a minor problem, broken fuel pump diaphragm for
> instance breaks? Its down until a replacement is created,
> not a job for the closest garage when out on the road
> somewhere.

Maybe for older exotics but most cars made in the last 40 years still
have parts available and can be as reliable if not more so than modern
cars with their multitude of computers and drive-by wire that goes wonky
on you and leaves you speeding down the road in an uncontrollable vehicle.

> Absolutely they deserve respect, and I could not watch a
> nice clean old engine, car, or house torn down for any
> reason.

A kindred spirit. Why is it anything older than 50 years is considered
an eyesore and we have to build something new that may last half as long?

> I respect the free market, and free people, more important
> to me than any material thing. So I'll buy what I need, and
> thank the supplier.

As do I, and that's why it annoys me as well to see someone break up a
not so common piece of American Flyer and sell it as pieces. It reminds
me too much of the "chop shops" that steal cars and sell them in pieces.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 60945 From: michael prell Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: that kind of an appraisal...???
Just a personal opinion but with all of the input from both the pro and con and some jerk who still pops up from time to time (you know who you are) I can't help but believe that somewhere in the great beyond ol' Josh and A.C. are having one heck of a good cry over what's become of their babies.
MLPrell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] that kind of an appraisal...???
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 12:16 PM


 




In a message dated 7/3/2010 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
am-flyr@... writes:

..??...that would give this guy that kind of an appraisal...??? we all
need to know so that we can be sure to get that kind of an over inflated price
for all the things we want to sell....LOL

Once looked over a decent LIONEL set complete with a ZW. After I gave the
lady my offfer (she had NO price in mind when we started) she told me, per
piece how much her "repairman" told each piece was worth (2 to 3 times MORE
per piece). . I asked why she still had the set if he offered THAT much.
She then said "he didn 't buy trains, just fixed them". That was five yrs
ago, BET she still has them. Actually, HOPE she still has them.

Jim "THAT wasted a beautiful Sunday morning" Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60946 From: s-nut Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Re: NASG building kit
Dear Bill,
That should have read "sharpy" instead of shary.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Bill,
>  
> Thanks for the tip. I may have to put in an upper floor . Now I need my shary to work on the window frames. After this one is done I don't know what I will build.
>   Thanks,
>   Alan Lambert
>
> --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NASG building kit
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 2:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Alan ---
>
> There is a lot of window area in the building that is easy to see through,
> so I would plan out your interior arrangement before building yourself into
> a corner, especially if you intend to have upper floors.
>
> Happy 4th!
> Bill Winans
> Prescott Valley, AZ
>
> Well, I just got the kit today and now I have a lot of work ahead of me.
> As stated in the Dispatch there is a lot of prep work that has to be done,
> but I have the time. Alan Lambert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60947 From: Glenn Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: HONEY BROOK LIBRARY TRAIN SHOW
The first train show of the
Summer at the Honey Brook
Library enjoyed great success.
The layout is part of the
Pequea Valley Model Railroaders'
displays and uses S Helper track.
The layout was built by Jim Lyle
and Paul Herr.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/HONEYBROOKTRAINSHOW.html

If you missed this Friday then
come back next week.

Friday July 9
3:00 to 5:00 Trains at Honey Brook Library

Saturday July 10
10:00am to 1:00pm
Glenn


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60948 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Link Coupler Installation Problem Resolved
Hi All,

I made a small "base" to place the head of the coupler pin on and then rigged up a support to hold the car body and truck. Once I had it all nice and steady, one light tap with a claw hammer swaged the pin on the truck. As they say on English telee, "job sorted"!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 60949 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: PVMR Layout in Honey Brook
Honey Brook, PA is located at the crossroads of U S Rt 322 & PA (former US) Rt 10, in western Chester County, PA. The Library is located on PA Rt 10, SOUTH of Rt 322.
Travelling SOUTH on Rt 10 from 322,you will cross the abandoned ROW of the Downingtown and Lancaster RR, known affectionally as the "DARK & LONELY". Passenger service, the little there was, ceased in the late 30's-early 40's, it WAS a frequently used freight RR into the PC era. It once hosted the PRR Signature train, the BROADWAY LIMITED", when PC fouled the MAIN in the early seventies, near MP 56 (Leaman Junction) in my back yard, in Paradise, PA.
The D & L is severed from east of New Holland, PA to Downingtown, served from Lancaster's soon to be moved Dillerville Yard. Lancaster General Hospital, Lancaster's 100 Million dollar annual profit NON profit hospital and Franklin and Marshall College are moving NS's freight yard to a site further west to allow them to develope property donated to them by Armstrong World Industires.

Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60950 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Re: Common sense and old machinery
George Cohn wrote:
> On 7/3/2010 11:21 AM, Dave Winslow wrote:
>
>> Hardly an excuse. I've heard of such conversions with all
>> kind of vehicles, and for exactly that reasons. Jaguar was a
>> common candidate for the swap.
>
> Yep, I have a 1970 Jaguar e-type roadster and have heard that one more
> than once. "Replace that unreliable piece of crap with a decent V-8" or
> words to that effect. Well, the original DOHC 6 cylinder engine runs
> just fine, makes no unusual noises or smoke and if I were to do as some
> have suggested, would lower the collector value of the car by $30K or more.

You would not replace a good running one! It is only an
suggested alternative when the jag engine needs extensive
work/parts etc.

> Same with my original '73 Datsun 240Z and '74 Datsun 260Z. Almost
> totally original with the original engines and drive trains.

I envy you both, no one is entitled to more than one fine
old auto. Datsuns make solid engines, and the six has plenty
of power for those vehicles. I see no reason for trying to
stuff a v8 in one.

>> By the standard of the day maybe, but I never had a
>> carberater I could love, or an old ignition system. What
>> happens when a minor problem, broken fuel pump diaphragm for
>> instance breaks? Its down until a replacement is created,
>> not a job for the closest garage when out on the road
>> somewhere.
>
> Maybe for older exotics but most cars made in the last 40 years still
> have parts available...

The example you used was not made in the last 40, or last 80
years.

> and can be as reliable if not more so than modern cars with
> their multitude of computers and drive-by wire that goes wonky
> on you and leaves you speeding down the road in an
> uncontrollable vehicle.

When I was growing up, we all looked to get out of our
vehicles by 70k, as they got tires, and certainly by 100k.
Today it is not strange to find cars with 250k plus, burning
not a drop of oil, with no valve noise, unheard of back in
the day. Have you forgotten all those rattles, the needed
"tune ups" and "alignments", the vacuum wipers they didn't
work going uphill, the gutless performance, the poor gas
millage, the points that would oxidize over a season of
non-use? I have an old tractor and have had to pull the carb
off several times, first the needle and seat leaks, floods,
then it sticks closed against the gravity feed gas and will
not run! And how about those cold winter starts, the pump 5
times and then "give it a try" deal?

Now I have 3 vehicles, one that has been 190k, other two
over 100k. They just run, make no funny noises, use no oil,
and with their fuel injection, start without a care on the
coldest New Hampshire mornings.

>> Absolutely they deserve respect, and I could not watch a
>> nice clean old engine, car, or house torn down for any
>> reason.
>
> A kindred spirit. Why is it anything older than 50
> years is considered an eyesore and we have to build
> something new that may last half as long?

Among the most offensive to me are the young people looking
at houses we dreamed of owning when we started out. They
turn their nose up at cramped bathrooms, modest little 3
bedroom ranches, and they proclaim, it is sooo seventies!
What's wrong with 70s?

>> I respect the free market, and free people, more important
>> to me than any material thing. So I'll buy what I need, and
>> thank the supplier.
>
> As do I, and that's why it annoys me as well to see someone
> break up a not so common piece of American Flyer and sell
> it as pieces.

It annoys you because you respect the free market?

> It reminds me too much of the "chop shops" that steal
> cars and sell them in pieces.
>
> George Cohn

I've heard about chop shops of course, but have never
actually known of any. And I don't think any such thief is
going to the trouble of dismantling model trains and selling
pieces on Ebay.

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 60951 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/5/2010
Subject: Common sense, old machinery, and a Jag story too
When quit racing Stock Cars and started doing Street Rods in 1973, my Dad and his restorer buddies were not too happy about it, but knew I was "educated" about old cars. The "rule" was an old one even then, you always kept complete and running old cars intact, and made Hot Rods out of junkers.
The president of the car club I was in at the time was looking for something new to build. He found a complete 1933 Alvis touring car in a garage and the lady let him have it for $100.! Rather than hot rod it, he traded it for a scruffy Ford A coupe. The Alvis is quite rare and the A was common, so he "lost" a ton of money on the trade!
Speaking of engine swaps in Jaguars, about the same time as the Alvis find, another guy I know was big into putting V-8s into British cars. His wife took her driver's license test in a '54 MG with a 283 Chevy V-8 in it.
His "crowning achievment" was a '59 Jaouar XK-140 coupe he bought with two rods through the oil pan. The car was real nice, but after a winter in his shop it was a different animal. He'd dropped a 401 inch Buick "nail valve" V-8 in it, welded the front body clip together and made a tilt nose out of it, and painted the car "Grabber Blue." I imediately tagged this crossbreed with the name "Boogwarr" (Buick-Jaguar.) The State Police clocked him at 146 mph on I-70 one afternoon and thought their radar was on the blink! They finally caught up with him at home, since they already KNEW where he lived.
The Boogwarr guy is still alive and I see him fairly often. And at age 66, he still has no common sense!
Stumpy on the Ohio River
Group: S-Trains Message: 60952 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
I am a member of the NAMB, National Association of Milk Bottles Collectors and I have been sending out some emails to a few in CT about the AC Gilbert milk cap that Don Rosa found in a box of AF Trains some time ago.

I got this tonight as this person says that bottles do exist and that A C Gilbert did have a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number 305.

I will contact the other two people he mentions as I have a few others that I sent out emails too already.

So this does confirmed that Gilbert made milk for the employees as started in a article by Thomas Baker some time ago. This is how they got the flies for the Chemistry sets he write too. LOL

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Secchiaroli
To: michael and Linda Marmer ; ptmanfredi@...
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap


Hi Mike,


Sorry, I cannot help much.. I'm very new to milk bottle collecting...
Pete and Trish might get you in touch with the right person/people. I'll also ask a local milk guy here if he has any information...


I did check in the Connecticut Diary, Milk Bottle & Cap Directory that Pete and Trish are the managers of... in the directory it says that there are known bottles, and that A.C. Gilbert (Alfred C. Gilbert) in New Haven, CT had a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number of 305 (it does not say that their are known caps though).


I bought the Milk Route index this year, but have misplaced it already, maybe Pete and Trish can take a quick look to see if anything has been written on this dairy in the past 30 years.


All the best on your search, I'll let you know if I find anything that can help.


Mike



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: ptmanfredi@...; msecc@...
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:52:16 PM
Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap


Hi Pete and Michael.

I got your email addresses from Mary Ann Griffith from the NAMB directory.

I was hoping you might be able to help me with this question about this Milk Cap a friend found.

I sent a email to Don, but have not heard back from him.

I am a very big collector of American Flyer Trains, as well as milk bottles.

If you do not know anything about the milk the A C Gilbert company used, that is fine, but I just thought I would ask.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: milkcaps@...
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap


Don,

I saw your ad in the NAMB membership directory and I see you specialize in milk caps, as you live in CT.

A friend of mine owns this milk cap, as A. C. Gilbert owned the A.C. Gilbert company in New Haven CT which made American Flyer Trains and others things.

Not only do I collect milk bottles, but I collect AF trains.

I belong to a train organization, toy train, of about 35,000 and no one has seen a cap or bottle before from the AC Gilbert company.

It is believe that Gilbert had a dairy on the factory grounds which was for the employees.

Have you ever seen something like or know anything about the Gilbert dairy.

I appreciate what ever you might know, if anything at all.

Thank you so much for your time.

We go through CT every October on our way to a annual 17 day vacation in Maine.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60953 From: Jim Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: E bay harassment
I had to look. It did not sell. His ratings is 3 and that was from buying not selling. Looks like this is his first time selling. Before I sell something I look to see what others are trying to sell it for. I will find something at a yard sale get it home then to find out there is 100 of the same on ebay not selling but some times I luck out and I get some extra cash to buy trains. Like I always say I am not a expert so ask any question or send any info if you have it.I guess he did not have a spare socket to plug it in,or some floor space for the track,or could not read the instruction book. Well at least he or she did not start it off for .99 and then have a reserve that will not be met.If you have a high reserve don't start it off for .99 to me that is wasting all the bidders time. I try to look at there rating to see what they have sold and what they have bought in the past. Sometimes I find out there are people stranger than me.
Have fun bidding.
Jim O.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to put this issue out to the group. A "gentleman" has listed a ebay item 220628669850 a 1940American Flyer Train  Rare. The train is composed of a 282 and several 600 series car. Both times he has listed this I politely emailed him telling him that his train was postwar and could not possibly be from 1940 as the 282 was not produced until the 50s. My goal was to inform him and prevent a possible complaint for a very incorrect listing. This individual has now filed a complaint against me with ebay claiming harassment. my question to the group is was I wrong to try to educate this guy or am I harassing him?
>  
> Bob Hendrickson
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60954 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Hi Mike

You might want to check the State of Connecticut library in Hartford Connecticut or the New Haven Library to see they have any more information as to where it was located. Hopes this may help you Thanks Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard
Cc: Mary Ann Griffin
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap



I am a member of the NAMB, National Association of Milk Bottles Collectors and I have been sending out some emails to a few in CT about the AC Gilbert milk cap that Don Rosa found in a box of AF Trains some time ago.

I got this tonight as this person says that bottles do exist and that A C Gilbert did have a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number 305.

I will contact the other two people he mentions as I have a few others that I sent out emails too already.

So this does confirmed that Gilbert made milk for the employees as started in a article by Thomas Baker some time ago. This is how they got the flies for the Chemistry sets he write too. LOL

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Secchiaroli
To: michael and Linda Marmer ; ptmanfredi@...
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap

Hi Mike,

Sorry, I cannot help much.. I'm very new to milk bottle collecting...
Pete and Trish might get you in touch with the right person/people. I'll also ask a local milk guy here if he has any information...

I did check in the Connecticut Diary, Milk Bottle & Cap Directory that Pete and Trish are the managers of... in the directory it says that there are known bottles, and that A.C. Gilbert (Alfred C. Gilbert) in New Haven, CT had a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number of 305 (it does not say that their are known caps though).

I bought the Milk Route index this year, but have misplaced it already, maybe Pete and Trish can take a quick look to see if anything has been written on this dairy in the past 30 years.

All the best on your search, I'll let you know if I find anything that can help.

Mike

----------------------------------------------------------
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: ptmanfredi@...; msecc@...
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:52:16 PM
Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap

Hi Pete and Michael.

I got your email addresses from Mary Ann Griffith from the NAMB directory.

I was hoping you might be able to help me with this question about this Milk Cap a friend found.

I sent a email to Don, but have not heard back from him.

I am a very big collector of American Flyer Trains, as well as milk bottles.

If you do not know anything about the milk the A C Gilbert company used, that is fine, but I just thought I would ask.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: milkcaps@...
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap

Don,

I saw your ad in the NAMB membership directory and I see you specialize in milk caps, as you live in CT.

A friend of mine owns this milk cap, as A. C. Gilbert owned the A.C. Gilbert company in New Haven CT which made American Flyer Trains and others things.

Not only do I collect milk bottles, but I collect AF trains.

I belong to a train organization, toy train, of about 35,000 and no one has seen a cap or bottle before from the AC Gilbert company.

It is believe that Gilbert had a dairy on the factory grounds which was for the employees.

Have you ever seen something like or know anything about the Gilbert dairy.

I appreciate what ever you might know, if anything at all.

Thank you so much for your time.

We go through CT every October on our way to a annual 17 day vacation in Maine.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60955 From: mike jones Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: repairing a heavyweight
When i had to repair my pullman car roof i used Bondo. It worked really good, it just took alot of tome applying sanding and re-applying and re sanding. The paint that i used was grey primer and maroon sprey paint. good luck!
Mike J.

--- On Sun, 7/4/10, jhwysopal <jhw749@...> wrote:


From: jhwysopal <jhw749@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] repairing a heavyweight
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 6:59 AM


 



I have a 900 series heavyweight red Pullman. Unfortunately, one roof corner has a chunk out of it. What type of putty or other filler would be best to use to repair it. Also, any suggestions for paint color matches? Thanks, Jim











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Group: S-Trains Message: 60956 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
Thanks Stan,

I will check them out.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Stanley Sobieski
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap



Hi Mike

You might want to check the State of Connecticut library in Hartford Connecticut or the New Haven Library to see they have any more information as to where it was located. Hopes this may help you Thanks Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard
Cc: Mary Ann Griffin
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap

I am a member of the NAMB, National Association of Milk Bottles Collectors and I have been sending out some emails to a few in CT about the AC Gilbert milk cap that Don Rosa found in a box of AF Trains some time ago.

I got this tonight as this person says that bottles do exist and that A C Gilbert did have a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number 305.

I will contact the other two people he mentions as I have a few others that I sent out emails too already.

So this does confirmed that Gilbert made milk for the employees as started in a article by Thomas Baker some time ago. This is how they got the flies for the Chemistry sets he write too. LOL

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Secchiaroli
To: michael and Linda Marmer ; ptmanfredi@...
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap

Hi Mike,

Sorry, I cannot help much.. I'm very new to milk bottle collecting...
Pete and Trish might get you in touch with the right person/people. I'll also ask a local milk guy here if he has any information...

I did check in the Connecticut Diary, Milk Bottle & Cap Directory that Pete and Trish are the managers of... in the directory it says that there are known bottles, and that A.C. Gilbert (Alfred C. Gilbert) in New Haven, CT had a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number of 305 (it does not say that their are known caps though).

I bought the Milk Route index this year, but have misplaced it already, maybe Pete and Trish can take a quick look to see if anything has been written on this dairy in the past 30 years.

All the best on your search, I'll let you know if I find anything that can help.

Mike

----------------------------------------------------------
From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: ptmanfredi@...; msecc@...
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:52:16 PM
Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap

Hi Pete and Michael.

I got your email addresses from Mary Ann Griffith from the NAMB directory.

I was hoping you might be able to help me with this question about this Milk Cap a friend found.

I sent a email to Don, but have not heard back from him.

I am a very big collector of American Flyer Trains, as well as milk bottles.

If you do not know anything about the milk the A C Gilbert company used, that is fine, but I just thought I would ask.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: milkcaps@...
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap

Don,

I saw your ad in the NAMB membership directory and I see you specialize in milk caps, as you live in CT.

A friend of mine owns this milk cap, as A. C. Gilbert owned the A.C. Gilbert company in New Haven CT which made American Flyer Trains and others things.

Not only do I collect milk bottles, but I collect AF trains.

I belong to a train organization, toy train, of about 35,000 and no one has seen a cap or bottle before from the AC Gilbert company.

It is believe that Gilbert had a dairy on the factory grounds which was for the employees.

Have you ever seen something like or know anything about the Gilbert dairy.

I appreciate what ever you might know, if anything at all.

Thank you so much for your time.

We go through CT every October on our way to a annual 17 day vacation in Maine.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60957 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
We have just finished re-building and painting a beat up 293 loco. We
installed a SnS can motor and Dallee electronic reverse unit in it. It can be
found on our web site under the "clearances and specials" page.
We think it a great buy. Check it out. _www.sns-trains.com_
(http://www.sns-trains.com)

Steve


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60958 From: zemouse2001 Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
A bit OT in my reply here and just an FYI. I went off to your web site (www.sns-trains.com) and, boy, Norton threw a hissy fit! Basically rated the web site as unsafe due to 4 identified computer threats (all what they call 'drive by threats'). Details are on the following site:
<http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.sns-trains.com%2F>

The threats seem to be basically 'you have got a virus! Download our stuff to save yourself'. I didn't see it but I have had experience in cleaning up computers with this nasty little bug and I don't want to chance it. So I shut 'er down and left. My suggestion - you should check with your web hosting company and tell them to make your site clean.

Too bad - the 293 really intrigued me! Oh, well.

Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 60959 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
went on again after I wrote the first reply that it was fine and it still is for me.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: zemouse2001
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale



A bit OT in my reply here and just an FYI. I went off to your web site (www.sns-trains.com) and, boy, Norton threw a hissy fit! Basically rated the web site as unsafe due to 4 identified computer threats (all what they call 'drive by threats'). Details are on the following site:
<http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.sns-trains.com%2F>

The threats seem to be basically 'you have got a virus! Download our stuff to save yourself'. I didn't see it but I have had experience in cleaning up computers with this nasty little bug and I don't want to chance it. So I shut 'er down and left. My suggestion - you should check with your web hosting company and tell them to make your site clean.

Too bad - the 293 really intrigued me! Oh, well.

Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60960 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Fw: [kl] An interesting piece of historical information
So this is how Lionel trains came about? LOL

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Leeson" <dnleeson@...>
To: "Klarinet" <klarinet@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: [kl] An interesting piece of historical information


> The Barrymore family of actors had, at one time, three important
> brother/sister thespians. They were John, Lionel, and Ethel Barrymore.
> John's granddaughter was the child star who played a role in the movie
> "E.T," and today has a good career in pictures for herself. Pretty girl.
>
> It is Lionel about whom I want to speak. He was the curmudgeon of a
> banker in the movie, "It's a wonderful life." But he was also a composer
> of music and when his brother John died, he wrote a composition entitled
> "In Memoriam" that was published and played by the Philadelphia Orchestra,
> Eugene Ormandy conducting.
>
> Next week, I'm going to be in Los Angeles where his musical estate is held
> at U.C.L.A. and I intend to examine the score and parts for "In Memorium"
> which are kept in box 10 of something like 16 boxes of music, much of it
> in manuscript. Lionel had very broad musical interests, and there is also
> a composition with the weird title of "Gay Song for the Andrew Sisters."
> Go figure.
>
> Now comes the clarinet part.
>
> But box 3 contains a very interesting piece for bass clarinet and piano.
> Here is the link that describes the Barrymore collection.
> http://www.oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=tf300004zc;query=lionel%20barrymore;style=oac4;doc.view=entire_text
>
> It's broken into two parts so you may have to cut and paste both parts
> into your browser. Take a look in box 3 and you should find the Barrymore
> work for bass clarinet.
>
> I have no idea if this is good or poor music. But I sure would love to
> play the bass clarinet piece!!
>
> For those of you who enjoy this sort of thing, write to the UCLA special
> collections and ask for a copy of the original manuscript.
>
> Another day. Another dollar.
>
> Dan Leeson
> _______________________________________________
> Klarinet mailing list
> Klarinet@...
> To do darn near anything to your subscription, go to:
> http://klarinet-list.serve-music.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 60961 From: Herbert Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
AC Gilbert mentioned in his book that the company cafeteria got milk and produce from Paradise Farm (Gilbert's property). I've also heard that from Gilbert employees. Also heard the story about tjhe flies, although I'm not sure about the source.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Stan,
>
> I will check them out.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stanley Sobieski
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
>
>
> Hi Mike
>
> You might want to check the State of Connecticut library in Hartford Connecticut or the New Haven Library to see they have any more information as to where it was located. Hopes this may help you Thanks Stan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael and Linda Marmer
> To: Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard
> Cc: Mary Ann Griffin
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:48 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> I am a member of the NAMB, National Association of Milk Bottles Collectors and I have been sending out some emails to a few in CT about the AC Gilbert milk cap that Don Rosa found in a box of AF Trains some time ago.
>
> I got this tonight as this person says that bottles do exist and that A C Gilbert did have a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number 305.
>
> I will contact the other two people he mentions as I have a few others that I sent out emails too already.
>
> So this does confirmed that Gilbert made milk for the employees as started in a article by Thomas Baker some time ago. This is how they got the flies for the Chemistry sets he write too. LOL
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Secchiaroli
> To: michael and Linda Marmer ; ptmanfredi@...
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Sorry, I cannot help much.. I'm very new to milk bottle collecting...
> Pete and Trish might get you in touch with the right person/people. I'll also ask a local milk guy here if he has any information...
>
> I did check in the Connecticut Diary, Milk Bottle & Cap Directory that Pete and Trish are the managers of... in the directory it says that there are known bottles, and that A.C. Gilbert (Alfred C. Gilbert) in New Haven, CT had a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number of 305 (it does not say that their are known caps though).
>
> I bought the Milk Route index this year, but have misplaced it already, maybe Pete and Trish can take a quick look to see if anything has been written on this dairy in the past 30 years.
>
> All the best on your search, I'll let you know if I find anything that can help.
>
> Mike
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
> To: ptmanfredi@...; msecc@...
> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:52:16 PM
> Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> Hi Pete and Michael.
>
> I got your email addresses from Mary Ann Griffith from the NAMB directory.
>
> I was hoping you might be able to help me with this question about this Milk Cap a friend found.
>
> I sent a email to Don, but have not heard back from him.
>
> I am a very big collector of American Flyer Trains, as well as milk bottles.
>
> If you do not know anything about the milk the A C Gilbert company used, that is fine, but I just thought I would ask.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael and Linda Marmer
> To: milkcaps@...
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 PM
> Subject: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> Don,
>
> I saw your ad in the NAMB membership directory and I see you specialize in milk caps, as you live in CT.
>
> A friend of mine owns this milk cap, as A. C. Gilbert owned the A.C. Gilbert company in New Haven CT which made American Flyer Trains and others things.
>
> Not only do I collect milk bottles, but I collect AF trains.
>
> I belong to a train organization, toy train, of about 35,000 and no one has seen a cap or bottle before from the AC Gilbert company.
>
> It is believe that Gilbert had a dairy on the factory grounds which was for the employees.
>
> Have you ever seen something like or know anything about the Gilbert dairy.
>
> I appreciate what ever you might know, if anything at all.
>
> Thank you so much for your time.
>
> We go through CT every October on our way to a annual 17 day vacation in Maine.
>
> Mike Marmer
> Germantown, MD
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60962 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Hi All,

I went to the site and got no warnings at all. I am using XP
Home version, AVG antivirus, and Google's Chrome browser.
The Engine looks great BTW, and I'll be ordering some can
motors conversions.

zemouse2001 wrote:
>
>
> A bit OT in my reply here and just an FYI. I went off to your web site
> (www.sns-trains.com) and, boy, Norton threw a hissy fit! Basically rated
> the web site as unsafe due to 4 identified computer threats (all what
> they call 'drive by threats'). Details are on the following site:
> <http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.sns-trains.com%2F>
>
> The threats seem to be basically 'you have got a virus! Download our
> stuff to save yourself'. I didn't see it but I have had experience in
> cleaning up computers with this nasty little bug and I don't want to
> chance it. So I shut 'er down and left. My suggestion - you should check
> with your web hosting company and tell them to make your site clean.
>
> Too bad - the 293 really intrigued me! Oh, well.
>
> Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri

>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60963 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
I just went on Steve's site and I had no problems with it.

Could be just a fluke.

Try again?

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: zemouse2001
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale



A bit OT in my reply here and just an FYI. I went off to your web site (www.sns-trains.com) and, boy, Norton threw a hissy fit! Basically rated the web site as unsafe due to 4 identified computer threats (all what they call 'drive by threats'). Details are on the following site:
<http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.sns-trains.com%2F>

The threats seem to be basically 'you have got a virus! Download our stuff to save yourself'. I didn't see it but I have had experience in cleaning up computers with this nasty little bug and I don't want to chance it. So I shut 'er down and left. My suggestion - you should check with your web hosting company and tell them to make your site clean.

Too bad - the 293 really intrigued me! Oh, well.

Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60964 From: Ben Perry Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Test
Test




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60965 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
ALMOST enough to make me start acquiring AF...
Bill Winans (scale S only!)
Prescott Valley, AZ


We have just finished re-building and painting a beat up 293 loco. We
installed a SnS can motor and Dallee electronic reverse unit in it. It can
be
found on our web site under the "clearances and specials" page.
We think it a great buy. Check it out. _www.sns-trains.com_
(http://www.sns-trains.com)

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 60966 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Newly rebuilt 293 for sale
Hi --

I have current Norton products "protecting" my computer and did not get any
comments. The loco looks REALLY nice, and I bet it is a great runner...

Bill Winans

----- Original Message -----

FYI. I went off to your web site (www.sns-trains.com) and, boy, Norton
threw a hissy fit! Basically rated the web site as unsafe due to 4
identified computer threats (all what they call 'drive by threats'). Details
are on the following site:
http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.sns-trains.com%2F
I shut 'er down and left. My suggestion - you should check with your web
hosting company and tell them to make your site clean.

Too bad - the 293 really intrigued me! Oh, well.

Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 60967 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: A C Gilbert Timeline
http://people.rit.edu/tbbeqa/AFTimeline.html

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60968 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Dangerous Sites ??
----- Original Message -----
From: zemouse2001
. . . . . I went off to your web site (www.sns-trains.com) and, boy, Norton
threw a hissy fit!. . . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I don't suppose this throws any light on anything, but the S n S site worked
fine for me, about an hour ago. But a few days ago I went to the Fall S
Fest site and got a big DANGEROUS SITE message. Went back the next day,
no danger message, and I got the info I wanted. (See you at the S Fest.)

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 60969 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
http://people.rit.edu/tbbeqa/AF%20History.html

The dairy is mention in the above and the flies.

Again, Don Rosa has the milk cap and this person sent me the Permit number Gilbert had.

Hopefully the other people in the milk bottle association in CT might know more.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Herbert
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap



AC Gilbert mentioned in his book that the company cafeteria got milk and produce from Paradise Farm (Gilbert's property). I've also heard that from Gilbert employees. Also heard the story about tjhe flies, although I'm not sure about the source.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Stan,
>
> I will check them out.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stanley Sobieski
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
>
>
> Hi Mike
>
> You might want to check the State of Connecticut library in Hartford Connecticut or the New Haven Library to see they have any more information as to where it was located. Hopes this may help you Thanks Stan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael and Linda Marmer
> To: Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard
> Cc: Mary Ann Griffin
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:48 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> I am a member of the NAMB, National Association of Milk Bottles Collectors and I have been sending out some emails to a few in CT about the AC Gilbert milk cap that Don Rosa found in a box of AF Trains some time ago.
>
> I got this tonight as this person says that bottles do exist and that A C Gilbert did have a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number 305.
>
> I will contact the other two people he mentions as I have a few others that I sent out emails too already.
>
> So this does confirmed that Gilbert made milk for the employees as started in a article by Thomas Baker some time ago. This is how they got the flies for the Chemistry sets he write too. LOL
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Secchiaroli
> To: michael and Linda Marmer ; ptmanfredi@...
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Sorry, I cannot help much.. I'm very new to milk bottle collecting...
> Pete and Trish might get you in touch with the right person/people. I'll also ask a local milk guy here if he has any information...
>
> I did check in the Connecticut Diary, Milk Bottle & Cap Directory that Pete and Trish are the managers of... in the directory it says that there are known bottles, and that A.C. Gilbert (Alfred C. Gilbert) in New Haven, CT had a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number of 305 (it does not say that their are known caps though).
>
> I bought the Milk Route index this year, but have misplaced it already, maybe Pete and Trish can take a quick look to see if anything has been written on this dairy in the past 30 years.
>
> All the best on your search, I'll let you know if I find anything that can help.
>
> Mike
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
> To: ptmanfredi@...; msecc@...
> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:52:16 PM
> Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> Hi Pete and Michael.
>
> I got your email addresses from Mary Ann Griffith from the NAMB directory.
>
> I was hoping you might be able to help me with this question about this Milk Cap a friend found.
>
> I sent a email to Don, but have not heard back from him.
>
> I am a very big collector of American Flyer Trains, as well as milk bottles.
>
> If you do not know anything about the milk the A C Gilbert company used, that is fine, but I just thought I would ask.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael and Linda Marmer
> To: milkcaps@...
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 PM
> Subject: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
>
> Don,
>
> I saw your ad in the NAMB membership directory and I see you specialize in milk caps, as you live in CT.
>
> A friend of mine owns this milk cap, as A. C. Gilbert owned the A.C. Gilbert company in New Haven CT which made American Flyer Trains and others things.
>
> Not only do I collect milk bottles, but I collect AF trains.
>
> I belong to a train organization, toy train, of about 35,000 and no one has seen a cap or bottle before from the AC Gilbert company.
>
> It is believe that Gilbert had a dairy on the factory grounds which was for the employees.
>
> Have you ever seen something like or know anything about the Gilbert dairy.
>
> I appreciate what ever you might know, if anything at all.
>
> Thank you so much for your time.
>
> We go through CT every October on our way to a annual 17 day vacation in Maine.
>
> Mike Marmer
> Germantown, MD
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60970 From: benperryjr Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote:
>
> AC Gilbert mentioned in his book that the company cafeteria got milk and produce from Paradise Farm (Gilbert's property). I've also heard that from Gilbert employees. Also heard the story about tjhe flies, although I'm not sure about the source.
> Herb Wasserman
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Stan,
> >
> > I will check them out.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stanley Sobieski
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
574

> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Mike
> >
> > You might want to check the State of Connecticut library in Hartford Connecticut or the New Haven Library to see they have any more information as to where it was located. Hopes this may help you Thanks Stan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: michael and Linda Marmer
> > To: Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard
> > Cc: Mary Ann Griffin
> > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:48 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
> >
> > I am a member of the NAMB, National Association of Milk Bottles Collectors and I have been sending out some emails to a few in CT about the AC Gilbert milk cap that Don Rosa found in a box of AF Trains some time ago.
> >
> > I got this tonight as this person says that bottles do exist and that A C Gilbert did have a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number 305.
> >
> > I will contact the other two people he mentions as I have a few others that I sent out emails too already.
> >
> > So this does confirmed that Gilbert made milk for the employees as started in a article by Thomas Baker some time ago. This is how they got the flies for the Chemistry
ee
sets he write too. LOL
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Secchiaroli
> > To: michael and Linda Marmer ; ptmanfredi@
> > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:3
634
1 PM
> > Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Sorry, I cannot help much.. I'm very new to milk bottle collecting...
> > Pete and Trish might get you in touch with the right person/people. I'll also ask a local milk guy here if he has any information...
> >
> > I did check in the Connecticut Diary, Milk Bottle & Cap Directory that Pete and Trish are the managers of... in the directory it says that there are known bottles, and that A.C. Gilbert (Alfred C. Gilbert) in New Haven, CT had a Pasteurizing Plant Permit number of 305 (it does not say that their are known caps though).
> >
> > I bought the Milk Route index this year, but have misplaced it already, maybe Pete and Trish can take a quick look to see if anything has been written on this dairy in the past 30 years.
> >
> > All the best on your search, I'll let you know if I find anything that can help.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > From: michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@>
> > To: ptmanfredi@; msecc@
> > Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:52:16 PM
> > Subject: Fw: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
> >
> > Hi Pete and Michael.
> >
> > I got your email addresses from Mary Ann Griffith from the NAMB directory.
> >
> > I was hoping you might be able to help me with this question about this Milk Cap a friend found.
> >
> > I sent a email to
674
Don, but have not heard back from him.
> >
> > I am a very big collector of American Flyer Trains, as well as milk bottles.
> >
> > If you do not know anything about the milk the A C Gilbert company used, that is fine, but I just thought I would ask.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: michael and Linda Marmer
> > To: milkcaps@
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 PM
> > Subject: A.C. Gilbert Milk Cap
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > I saw your ad in the NAMB membership directory and I see you specialize in milk caps, as you live in CT.
> >
> > A friend of mine owns this milk cap, as A. C. Gilbert owned the A.C. Gilbert company in New Haven CT which made American Flyer Trains and others things.
> >
> > Not only do I collect milk bottles, but I collect AF trains.
> >
> > I belong to a train organization, toy train, of about 35,000 and no one has seen a cap or bottle before from the AC Gilbert company.
> >
> > It is believe that Gilbert had a dairy on the factory grounds which was for the employees.
> >
> > Have you ever seen something like or know anything about the Gilbert dairy.
> >
> > I appreciate what ever you might know, if anything at all.
> >
> > Thank you so much for your time.
> >
> > We go through CT every October on our way to a annual 17 day vacation in Maine.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> > Germantown, MD
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this
964
message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Hello Mike;
"Gilbert also employed a year-round staff to look after Paradise, his North Haven estate, with 2,500 pheasants, 100 white-tail deer, a trout-stocked stream, a kennel and a working dairy farm."

The above is quote from a NY Times article about A.C. Gilbert. What is left of Paradise Farm in now an unfinished real-estate development. I believe the 32 acre site may have been in both North Haven and adjoining Hamden.

http://www.paradisecountryclub.com/index.html

As info I have been looking for a Paradise Dairy bottle for several years with no luck. I believe a while back someone came out with a Paradise dairy tank car

Ben Perry
Group: S-Trains Message: 60971 From: benperryjr Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Paradise Dairy
Hello Mike;
"Gilbert also employed a year-round staff to look after Paradise, his North Haven estate, with 2,500 pheasants, 100 white-tail deer, a trout-stocked stream, a kennel and a working dairy farm."

The above is quote from a NY Times article about A.C. Gilbert. What is left of Paradise Farm in now an unfinished real-estate development. I believe the 32 acre site may have been in both North Haven and adjoining Hamden.

http://www.paradisecountryclub.com/index.html

As info I have been looking for a Paradise Dairy bottle for several years with no luck. I believe a while back someone came out with a Paradise dairy tank car
Ben Perry
Group: S-Trains Message: 60972 From: Sgt. Guinness Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
Hello,

I have a question regarding a railway station for an arid country in Africa,
like S. Africa, Egypt, Sudan, etc. Does anyone have any reference material on
what a train station water tower would look like for this area in the
1880-1900's? I'm doing an Egyptian 1882 scenario with a train station and want
to make a water tower.

Thank you in advance for any possible assistance any one may be able to provide.

Cheers,

Jeff

P.S. I have been sent some very good info from other groups with possible matches so far but figured I'd ask here as well.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60973 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: Paradise Dairy
Thanks Ben for this information on the dairy.

I wish you the best with this search for a bottle.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: benperryjr
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paradise Dairy



Hello Mike;
"Gilbert also employed a year-round staff to look after Paradise, his North Haven estate, with 2,500 pheasants, 100 white-tail deer, a trout-stocked stream, a kennel and a working dairy farm."

The above is quote from a NY Times article about A.C. Gilbert. What is left of Paradise Farm in now an unfinished real-estate development. I believe the 32 acre site may have been in both North Haven and adjoining Hamden.

http://www.paradisecountryclub.com/index.html

As info I have been looking for a Paradise Dairy bottle for several years with no luck. I believe a while back someone came out with a Paradise dairy tank car
Ben Perry





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60974 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Layouts to visit: Cape Cod
To all interested in visiting train layouts including one referred to in
the last Classic Toy Trains Magazine as they pictured an O gauge layout!!
Check out the S selling comment from Roger Carp's description.

WELCOME ABOARD! The Nauset Model Railroad Club begins its summer open
houses Wednesday night July 7th. The Open House nights are every Wednesday
night in July and August from 7 pm to 9 pm.

The Club is located in the rear of 180 Route 6A in Orleans, Ma on good old
Cape Cod.

There are 5 operating layouts for everyone to enjoy!! The "S" hirail layout
in 34 x 14 and has been pictured in Classic Toy Trains.

Check out our Web site for more information: nausetmodelrrclub.com.

Enjoy vacation and trains at the same time!!!

Roy E. Jones III, President, Nauset Model Railroad Club: "S" gauge hirail


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60975 From: grdobbs@juno.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: repairing a heavyweight
I have repaired several, from a chip to a compleat top and side.
I make a mold, using a rubber latex, ( Mountains in Minutes ) ,at the
hobby shop, using a good car for a pattern, several coaters, let dry
several days, tape solidly to the broken car, fill mold with J-B Weld
epoxy, let dry several days, remove mold for next use, paint with
Humbrol Color #19 ( in the little cans ). or custom paint, If done
properly no clean up is required. REMEMBER a TCA sticker ( restored
tinplate ) is required on the bottom

Jerry 77-11644
____________________________________________________________
Project Management Cert
Villanova PMP® & CAPM® Classes. Average Salary For PMPs is $100K
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c349c277fe761ae31dst04duc
Group: S-Trains Message: 60976 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: Paradise Dairy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyPTIOJuWws

Could not resist this, Mr. Peabody Coal Train in Paradise.

The singer and writer of the song, John Prine was a mail man before finding his call in music.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paradise Dairy



Thanks Ben for this information on the dairy.

I wish you the best with this search for a bottle.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: benperryjr
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paradise Dairy

Hello Mike;
"Gilbert also employed a year-round staff to look after Paradise, his North Haven estate, with 2,500 pheasants, 100 white-tail deer, a trout-stocked stream, a kennel and a working dairy farm."

The above is quote from a NY Times article about A.C. Gilbert. What is left of Paradise Farm in now an unfinished real-estate development. I believe the 32 acre site may have been in both North Haven and adjoining Hamden.

http://www.paradisecountryclub.com/index.html

As info I have been looking for a Paradise Dairy bottle for several years with no luck. I believe a while back someone came out with a Paradise dairy tank car
Ben Perry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60977 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Repairing a heavyweight
I have rebuilt a few junker cars of this type and used Squadron Plastic Putty with success.
Bondo or similar automobile body putty products work too. Using auto body "spot putty" is easiest as it does not require a two step mixing proceass as Bondo does. Like most auto products, it comes only in tubes or containers large enough for a lifetime of model railroading projects.
Actually, I think the Squadron brand is just auto spot putty, repackaged in small tubes for hobby use.
Stumpy on the Ohio River
Group: S-Trains Message: 60978 From: Ben Date: 7/8/2010
Subject: 342 Tender
Anyone needing a 1946 342 0-8-0 (SIT) tender there is one on eBay right now starting bid of $450...buy it now for $1750. Wow.

http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-AMERICAN-FLYER-1946-342-NICKEL-PLATE-ROAD-TENDER-/330449595102?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf054aade
Group: S-Trains Message: 60979 From: SMMW Date: 7/8/2010
Subject: H10-44 shipments being made
Over the past 2 weeks, I've shipped dealer orders and several mail orders of
the H10-44; a small batch is going out today. Some delays have been due to
finding last-minute dimensional information that required CAD changes, then
waiting 2 weeks to get patterns into production and, also, time-sensitive
production casting work that I'm involved with. Model RRing takes a back
seat when industrial customers have valid "crunch time" delivery
requirements.



The biggest delay has come from having to design my own gearbox .. I wiped
out SHS' AAR truck supply and am now making my own gearbox using NWSL
worm/brass bearings, SHS gears/wheelsets/wiper and my own axles, screws and
gearbox halves. The first set of patterns worked well but NWSL changed the
worm on me, requiring a larger opening in the gearbox halves, so back to CAD
and new patterns. I am now producing new gearboxes but also am awaiting
delivery of NWSL parts, supposedly shipped this way on Tuesday.



Thanks to all of your patience during this VERY frustrating project. The
resulting product is up to "my standards" and I'm sure y'all will enjoy
seeing a USPS Shoebox show up in your mailbox or on your door step over the
next few weeks.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 60980 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: 342 tender
That guy "selling" the tender has been sucking up too much smoke himself! He's off in the Twilight Zone with that price!
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 60981 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: New rails-A wonderful thing
check this link. New rails to ride. Thank you Nevada!

_http://www.vtrailway.com/project.php_
(http://www.vtrailway.com/project.php)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 60982 From: afjeff_56 Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
I think anybody thats going to pay this kind of money is Nuts! Maybe I should sell mine? $2,000 with the Loco...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone needing a 1946 342 0-8-0 (SIT) tender there is one on eBay right now starting bid of $450...buy it now for $1750. Wow.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-AMERICAN-FLYER-1946-342-NICKEL-PLATE-ROAD-TENDER-/330449595102?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf054aade
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60983 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
and he notes -

I have one I'll sell for 1,000 dollars - any
takers? Seriously, eBay has recently been
offering free listings at any starting price so
undoubtedly he is asking for the Moon at no cost
hoping someone will bite at least at the lower
price. Is it worth $450? - Certainly not $1750! Is it 1946?...

Raleigh in steamy mainy...

At 09:54 AM 7/8/2010, Ben wrote:
>
>
>Anyone needing a 1946 342 0-8-0 (SIT) tender
>there is one on eBay right now starting bid of
>$450...buy it now for $1750. Wow.
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-AMERICAN-FLYER-1946-342-NICKEL-PLATE-ROAD-TENDER-/330449595102?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf054aade>http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-AMERICAN-FLYER-1946-342-NICKEL-PLATE-ROAD-TENDER-/330449595102?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf054aade
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60984 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: New rails-A wonderful thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJkB-dBj-HY
(They sing of Darcy Farrow where the Truckee runs ) words from the above song on youtube.

Maybe they will have a reenactment of Darcy Farrow there.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:57 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New rails-A wonderful thing




check this link. New rails to ride. Thank you Nevada!

_http://www.vtrailway.com/project.php_
(http://www.vtrailway.com/project.php)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60985 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: 342 Tender
In a message dated 07/09/2010 6:25:05 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
raleigh15@... writes:

Is it worth $450? - Certainly not $1750! Is it 1946?...

Yes, it is a 1946
Steve...SnS Trains...Boise




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Group: S-Trains Message: 60986 From: Bob Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: One Step Closer & New Ad Rates
Good afternoon. The new issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is finally at the printer. What a relief! It is a great issue and I'm sure all our readers will enjoy it. What?!? You're not a subscriber or you haven't renewed yet, or you let you subscription lapse? Better act fast, the Winter issue nearly sold out and I didn't order any extra copies of the new issue from the printer. First come, first served!

As I mentioned in an earlier post, display advertising rates have been slashed 20% across the board, effective July 1. A new rate card is now available on the Website (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com). Perhaps these new rates will finally convince those that have made prior inquiries to finally come on board.

Here are a couple of examples of the savings available:

Under the old rates, a full-page color ad on the back cover was $430 per insertion (issue) for 4 issues. Under the new rates, the same ad now costs $344 per insertion for 4 issues. For six insertions, the savings is even greater: $316/issue vs. $395/issue under the old rate.

Let's say you want to place a 1/2-page black & white ad inside the magazine (not Cover 2 or 3). Under the old rates, it would have cost you $110/issue for 4 issues. Under the new rates, the cost is $88/issue for 4 issues.

You could reduce the costs further by sharing a full-page ad space (like the NASG does in Railroad Model Craftsman magazine).

These rates are not available to advertisers whose accounts are in arrears, or who have been dropped (unfortunately, I've had to drop a couple of advertisers who refused to pay anything toward their ads--I simply can't afford to give the business away).

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 60987 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
??WHAT???? I guess the ol' greed drug is stronger that ever- here's hoping that the stupidity drug isn't as widespread... but, for every seat, there is an ass- John Marganski
























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60988 From: michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
If is a 1946 it is listed in the 2004 TM book as 5+ on the rare side and the complete item with tender and engine at 10,000.

I think most of the puns at this guy is not called for, as let the market decide how much it is worth to someone.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 342 Tender



In a message dated 07/09/2010 6:25:05 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
raleigh15@... writes:

Is it worth $450? - Certainly not $1750! Is it 1946?...

Yes, it is a 1946
Steve...SnS Trains...Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60989 From: Bruce Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Book value (as subjective as that can be with an item this rare) has the complete 1946 342 0-8-0 at $1,500, apparently regardless of condition, but more likely due to its rarity. It would help if there was an engine with the tender. No way the tender by itself is worth $1,750.

Bruce



From: Rollain Mercier
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 Tender



and he notes -

I have one I'll sell for 1,000 dollars - any
takers? Seriously, eBay has recently been
offering free listings at any starting price so
undoubtedly he is asking for the Moon at no cost
hoping someone will bite at least at the lower
price. Is it worth $450? - Certainly not $1750! Is it 1946?...

Raleigh in steamy mainy...

At 09:54 AM 7/8/2010, Ben wrote:
>
>
>Anyone needing a 1946 342 0-8-0 (SIT) tender
>there is one on eBay right now starting bid of
>$450...buy it now for $1750. Wow.
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-AMERICAN-FLYER-1946-342-NICKEL-PLATE-ROAD-TENDER-/330449595102?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf054aade>http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-AMERICAN-FLYER-1946-342-NICKEL-PLATE-ROAD-TENDER-/330449595102?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf054aade
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60990 From: fahrwud Date: 7/9/2010
Subject: Re: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
This is from the Hedjaz railway of Lawrence of Arabia vs. the Ottoman Empire fame.
http://nabataea.net/qatrana.html

http://nabataea.net/Tabuk%20Station%201909.jpg
(note the windmill pump)
D.
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sgt. Guinness" <jbaumal@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a question regarding a railway station for an arid country in Africa,
> like S. Africa, Egypt, Sudan, etc. Does anyone have any reference material on
> what a train station water tower would look like for this area in the
> 1880-1900's? I'm doing an Egyptian 1882 scenario with a train station and want
> to make a water tower.
>
> Thank you in advance for any possible assistance any one may be able to provide.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
> P.S. I have been sent some very good info from other groups with possible matches so far but figured I'd ask here as well.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 60991 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/11/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60992 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: Talk about MOW.....Wow!
_Click here: YouTube - Werktrein in Overpelt.wmv_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFE8nmKpmXY)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 60993 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: 342 tender
Well, you can kiss collecting good bye unless you're Jay Leno at those prices! And we wonder why new folks aren't getting into S?
At this rate, I'll be able to sell all my customized stuff built from junk box finds for $1,000. each before long!
I think I'm about ready to sell and bail out of S gauge! I can put all my money into a good stock deal with the International Buggy Whip Corporation! Obviously if there are people stupid enough to pay those prices in this economy, you can sell anything!
Stumpy...counting my money already...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 60994 From: vendlingerk Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER ENGINES FOR SALE!
i have several af engines fully restored for sale, have been repairing trains for 25 years now! i have 1 293 pacific $130.00, 2 of 290 pacifics $125.00 each. 1 of a 312 k-4 $140.00. 1 of a 353 circus engine $200.00. 2 of 302 plastic atlantics $50.00 each. 1 of a 302ac diecast atlantic $75.00. 1 of a 350 royal blue $150.00. 1 of a 356 silver bullet this engine has a diecast engine shell with sheet metal tender $150.00. 1 of a 303 plastic atlantic $50.00. 1 of a 282 pacific with sheet metal tender $80.00. remember these engines are no junk they have been fully gone through. if interested email ken at jvendlinger@... thanks a have a great day!
Group: S-Trains Message: 60995 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Hi Ben,
� Just want you to know the winning bid for this tender was $637.50.  That was a steal. This tender is extremely rare.  There were no production runs of 342 SIT's in 1946 or 332 Northern SIT. All sets with these two locomotives were canceled. I've been to a lot of train shows and I know a lot of collectors and thats the first one I've ever seen.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 7/8/10, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:

From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 342 Tender
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 9:54 AM







 









Anyone needing a 1946 342 0-8-0 (SIT) tender there is one on eBay right now starting bid of $450...buy it now for $1750. Wow.



http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-AMERICAN-FLYER-1946-342-NICKEL-PLATE-ROAD-TENDER-/330449595102?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf054aade

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 60996 From: Gale Hall Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: GP stuff
Afternoon list.

I have the following GP-7 items for sale...these are for operators..

3 AF GP-7's with Flyonel SP 8000 shells, no window or light bar in them, so no number boards or headlight lenses, two are shell metal frames, E units, one diecast frame with DC rectifier, the two with sheet metal frames have the cab weights, really good pullers, black sideframes with AF couplers..the 8000 shells do not have the front side handrails $80 each and $12 postage, will pay postage it three go together.

1 AF diecast chassis, someone deemed it necessary to widen the pilot faces for more room for coupler movement, so the pilot front and pilot steps are about 40% of what they should be, side and end railings good. $15 and $5.00 postage

1AF sheet metal chassis, some one had cut the side railings off, have two more railings that will replace them..no end railings or pilots. $10 and $ 5 for postage

1 GP dummy truck from 370 diecast housing no gears, yoke and side frames, brass wheels $25 and $5 postage

If combining things will get to actual postage charges

gale hall
frisco91@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 60997 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/11/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/11/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday July 11, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 60998 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Hi Tom-

That is great that someone got a good deal. I wasn't necessarily bashing
the seller for their requested buy-it-now price. I know there are rare
pieces and low production items. I just think that Mr. Gilbert (and Mr.
Cohen) for that matter must be laughing their heads off in the next
life...all they were making was toys. Look what's happened!

Just interesting...

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 60999 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Interesting, in that I had a recently deceased friend here that had both
the 342 SIT and the 332 SIT. One remains here in Boise and the other went
East upon his death.

Steve...SnS Trains


In a message dated 07/11/2010 6:22:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:

Hi Ben,
Just want you to know the winning bid for this tender was $637.50. That
was a steal. This tender is extremely rare. There were no production runs
of 342 SIT's in 1946 or 332 Northern SIT. All sets with these two
locomotives were canceled. I've been to a lot of train shows and I know a lot of
collectors and thats the first one I've ever seen.
Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61000 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: New "Specials" from SnS Trains
SnS has listed some new items on the SPECIALS page of their web site. Check
them out.
_www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com)
Steve


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61001 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Rich Roy please contact me off list
Thank you.

theupstairstrain@...





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61002 From: Lennis Hall Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Rebuild
Hi Steve:

I have a PA I would like to have a can motor installed and new bushings.  I will be sending it to you in the next few days.  I will send just the chassis.  I'm refurbishing the cab.

Lennis Hall
(801) 645-8991






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61003 From: race944t Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
Just as a warning to anyone who may happen to run across this tender shell on an engine, make sure you look at the valve linkage rivets. If it's a true 1946 (where this shell belongs) the rivet heads will be round. If this shell gets stuck on a 1947 SIT in order to make it look like a rare 1946, then the rivet heads will he hex head. Buyer beware.

The same holds true for the 332, but in that case there were 1946 runs of a DC SIT that people try to turn into the rare AC version, but that's another whole thread.

"Banker" Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
>   Just want you to know the winning bid for this tender was $637.50.  That was a steal. This tender is extremely rare.  There were no production runs of 342 SIT's in 1946 or 332 Northern SIT. All sets with these two locomotives were canceled. I've been to a lot of train shows and I know a lot of collectors and thats the first one I've ever seen.
>   Tom Seccia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61004 From: Richard Karnes Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
All --

The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from Wednesday
July 14 through Monday July 26, 2010. We will reopen on Tuesday July 27.

Dick Karnes, Librarian




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61005 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Need Boiler Front for 21139 Northern
Good afternoon members.  I need a boiler front for an AF 21139 Northern.  If you
have one, please let me know the condition and cost off  line.  You can reach me
through my website if you Google  www.americanflyertrains4u.com.   Also, check
out some good buys on a UP 372 for $175;  nice 466 Comet for $150; 21085 engine
with complete set for $325, and much more.  It's all great equipment for your AF
layout and collection.  If you need something and you don't see it on my
website, contact me.  I may have it in my inventory.  Have a great rest of the
day.

Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61006 From: Sgt. Guinness Date: 7/12/2010
Subject: Re: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
Hi D.

Wow, what fantastic photos. I just spent about 2 hours looking at them ALL! I've got some great ideas now. Thank you very much.

Cheers,

JB


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "fahrwud" <fahrwud@...> wrote:
>
> This is from the Hedjaz railway of Lawrence of Arabia vs. the Ottoman Empire fame.
> http://nabataea.net/qatrana.html
>
> http://nabataea.net/Tabuk%20Station%201909.jpg
> (note the windmill pump)
> D.
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sgt. Guinness" <jbaumal@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a question regarding a railway station for an arid country in Africa,
> > like S. Africa, Egypt, Sudan, etc. Does anyone have any reference material on
> > what a train station water tower would look like for this area in the
> > 1880-1900's? I'm doing an Egyptian 1882 scenario with a train station and want
> > to make a water tower.
> >
> > Thank you in advance for any possible assistance any one may be able to provide.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > P.S. I have been sent some very good info from other groups with possible matches so far but figured I'd ask here as well.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61007 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
Hi Bill,
The brass buttons on the loco would be another thing to look for to make it a 1946 0-8-0 Smoke in Tender.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, race944t <race944t@...> wrote:

From: race944t <race944t@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:54 AM







 









Just as a warning to anyone who may happen to run across this tender shell on an engine, make sure you look at the valve linkage rivets. If it's a true 1946 (where this shell belongs) the rivet heads will be round. If this shell gets stuck on a 1947 SIT in order to make it look like a rare 1946, then the rivet heads will he hex head. Buyer beware.



The same holds true for the 332, but in that case there were 1946 runs of a DC SIT that people try to turn into the rare AC version, but that's another whole thread.



"Banker" Bill Clark



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Ben,

> Just want you to know the winning bid for this tender was $637.50. That was a steal. This tender is extremely rare. There were no production runs of 342 SIT's in 1946 or 332 Northern SIT. All sets with these two locomotives were canceled. I've been to a lot of train shows and I know a lot of collectors and thats the first one I've ever seen.

> Tom Seccia

>

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61008 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Hi Ben,
Thanks for posting the info.  It's amazing how many people don't know the rarity of a 1946 0-8-0 Smoke in Tender and a 1946 Northern Smoke in Tender.  While there were limited productions made of these locos & tenders, neither were made in full production.  Both were patented in 1945. XA9469 for the 0-8-0 and XA10055 for the Northern. Both were available in 1947.  The 0-8-0 in DC & AC. The Northern in DC only. Both with Smoke in Tender.  1947 Northerns are very rare. Anyone out there have either of these complete with locomotive and tender with the 1946 versions.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote:

From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 Tender
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 7:31 AM







 









Hi Tom-



That is great that someone got a good deal. I wasn't necessarily bashing

the seller for their requested buy-it-now price. I know there are rare

pieces and low production items. I just think that Mr. Gilbert (and Mr.

Cohen) for that matter must be laughing their heads off in the next

life...all they were making was toys. Look what's happened!



Just interesting...



Ben

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61009 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Hi Steve,
� Was the 342 SIT 1946 or 1947.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 7/11/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 Tender
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 4:58 PM







 









Interesting, in that I had a recently deceased friend here that had both

the 342 SIT and the 332 SIT. One remains here in Boise and the other went

East upon his death.



Steve...SnS Trains





In a message dated 07/11/2010 6:22:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

trainsandhobbies@... writes:



Hi Ben,

Just want you to know the winning bid for this tender was $637.50. That

was a steal. This tender is extremely rare. There were no production runs

of 342 SIT's in 1946 or 332 Northern SIT. All sets with these two

locomotives were canceled. I've been to a lot of train shows and I know a lot of

collectors and thats the first one I've ever seen.

Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61010 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
Bill,
     Also the 1946 has a see through chasis like the 1946 #312.
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.
 


--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:


From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 11:07 PM


 



Hi Bill,
The brass buttons on the loco would be another thing to look for to make it a 1946 0-8-0 Smoke in Tender.
Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, race944t <race944t@...> wrote:

From: race944t <race944t@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 Tender "Warning"
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Just as a warning to anyone who may happen to run across this tender shell on an engine, make sure you look at the valve linkage rivets. If it's a true 1946 (where this shell belongs) the rivet heads will be round. If this shell gets stuck on a 1947 SIT in order to make it look like a rare 1946, then the rivet heads will he hex head. Buyer beware.

The same holds true for the 332, but in that case there were 1946 runs of a DC SIT that people try to turn into the rare AC version, but that's another whole thread.

"Banker" Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Ben,

> Just want you to know the winning bid for this tender was $637.50. That was a steal. This tender is extremely rare. There were no production runs of 342 SIT's in 1946 or 332 Northern SIT. All sets with these two locomotives were canceled. I've been to a lot of train shows and I know a lot of collectors and thats the first one I've ever seen.

> Tom Seccia

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61011 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Diesel-armature question
Greetings! Working on a Flyer 466 Diesel .... have it running in forward but in reverse it hesitates. The repair manual suggests centering the armature in the field as a possible solution. Does "centering" mean a front to back movenent of the field, a side to side movement of the field secured by the set screws, both of these or .... ? Is there an easy way to doing this? Everything else seems to check out, though the wireing and yoke arrangement follow the 472 pattern. Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61012 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: #35 Brakeman
All

Does anyone know if there's reproduction of the #35 Brakeman available?

Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61013 From: David Dewey Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Hi all,
While I was on the road, I recieved an email requestiong some hints on straightening RB pilot. Well, somehow I lost it! So, if you're the one who posted me, please repost--but without the pictures (that's probably why it got lost; I'm on dial up and large files usually crash)--I did get to see the pics, so I know what condtion yours is in.
Thanks all--sorry to post to everyone, but it's the only way I figure I can find him!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61014 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
There is a 332 SIT right here in little old Boise, Idaho...Tender has
"Union Pacific" in 1946 style.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 07/13/2010 4:56:05 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:




Hi Ben,
Thanks for posting the info. It's amazing how many people don't know the
rarity of a 1946 0-8-0 Smoke in Tender and a 1946 Northern Smoke in Tender.
While there were limited productions made of these locos & tenders,
neither were made in full production. Both were patented in 1945. XA9469 for
the 0-8-0 and XA10055 for the Northern. Both were available in 1947. The
0-8-0 in DC & AC. The Northern in DC only. Both with Smoke in Tender. 1947
Northerns are very rare. Anyone out there have either of these complete with
locomotive and tender with the 1946 versions.
Tom Seccia







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61015 From: albert paolozzi Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: #35 Brakeman
I have one, however I can't recall where i bought it.  Doug Peck at Portlines might have them or know where they are available.  His phone is 978-465-8798.   Al

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:

From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] #35 Brakeman
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 4:18 PM







 









All



Does anyone know if there's reproduction of the #35 Brakeman available?



Thanks



Brady Burdge























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61016 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Flyer Diesel Hesitation Question
Greetings! Working on the Flyer 466 .... looking for a cause for the hesitation in reverse and found that it runs in reverse without the cast sideframes on the motorized truck. A piece of electrical tape on the inside of the truck where the axles would touch the frame seems to have solved the problem. Any thoughts on a more permanent fix? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61017 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Old Glory Flagpole
Hello Group,

I have purchased an American Flyer "Old Glory" #2050 Flagpole.

It is missing the Eagle on top . Does anyone have one for sale?

Thank You,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61018 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: 342 Tender
Hi Steve,
� Any history on the original owner.  You may have the only complete 1946 332 Smoke in Tender.  I believe this should be AC with the reverse in the boiler.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 342 Tender
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 2:25 PM







 









There is a 332 SIT right here in little old Boise, Idaho...Tender has

"Union Pacific" in 1946 style.



Steve

SnS Trains





In a message dated 07/13/2010 4:56:05 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

trainsandhobbies@... writes:



Hi Ben,

Thanks for posting the info. It's amazing how many people don't know the

rarity of a 1946 0-8-0 Smoke in Tender and a 1946 Northern Smoke in Tender.

While there were limited productions made of these locos & tenders,

neither were made in full production. Both were patented in 1945. XA9469 for

the 0-8-0 and XA10055 for the Northern. Both were available in 1947. The

0-8-0 in DC & AC. The Northern in DC only. Both with Smoke in Tender. 1947

Northerns are very rare. Anyone out there have either of these complete with

locomotive and tender with the 1946 versions.

Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61019 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
DAVID... No problem.... I too have a Die Cast Bend problem.... A Nice 326 with the cab roof slightly bent on the corner.... Would like to know how to fix it.... Bob Conner

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote:


From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:50 AM


 



Hi all,
While I was on the road, I recieved an email requestiong some hints on straightening RB pilot. Well, somehow I lost it! So, if you're the one who posted me, please repost--but without the pictures (that's probably why it got lost; I'm on dial up and large files usually crash)--I did get to see the pics, so I know what condtion yours is in.
Thanks all--sorry to post to everyone, but it's the only way I figure I can find him!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61020 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: #35 Brakeman
We have them.



In our website AF Parts Catalog, click on "PEOPLE"........it's #2711.





<<<Does anyone know if there's reproduction of the #35 Brakeman
available?

>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61021 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Chickens
http://www.actionfarmtoys.com/default.htm

I have not posted any pictures lately, as I got fences made for the dairy cows and fences made for the pigs on my farm. Fences are 3/4 inch high painted white.

I got a order in today from Action Farm Toys, as they had the following in S, Black Angus Steer, for the cattle pen I made for the stockyard, a 1939 John Deere tractor, 2 farmers with 2 dogs and many chickens.

The chickens are on big bases, so I took the dremal and cut off the bases. I still have more to cut, but I will go to Michael's tomorrow and get some matching green paint of the grass area on the farm and glue.

Linda is making a tan table skirt for the table and it is almost done.

Next up is to figure out what type of trees to get and sizes. I figure 3 to 5 inch trees.

I am working on a list of people to get from Doug Peck soon.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61022 From: Dave Winslow Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Hopefully someone will have specific suggestions. I only
remember having read same on this list a while back. The
idea involved heat, which softened the cast metal enough to
bend without cracking. Good Luck

Robert Conner wrote:
>
>
> DAVID... No problem.... I too have a Die Cast Bend problem.... A Nice
> 326 with the cab roof slightly bent on the corner.... Would like to know
> how to fix it.... Bob Conner
>
> --- On Wed, 7/14/10, David Dewey <djdewey@...
> <mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com>> wrote:
>
> From: David Dewey <djdewey@... <mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com>>
> Subject: [S-Trains] lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:50 AM
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> While I was on the road, I recieved an email requestiong some hints on
> straightening RB pilot. Well, somehow I lost it! So, if you're the one
> who posted me, please repost--but without the pictures (that's probably
> why it got lost; I'm on dial up and large files usually crash)--I did
> get to see the pics, so I know what condtion yours is in.
> Thanks all--sorry to post to everyone, but it's the only way I figure I
> can find him!
> S'
> David D.
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61023 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Diesel Hesitation Question
Sounds like your wheels may be out of gauge and shorting against the side
frame in one direction. The tape patch may wear through soon and the problem
will start all over again. There is more than one fix for this, but proper
gauging is the best one. As regards wear problems, the insulators on the
non-pickup side can be worn thin causing the axle to be able to slide too
far to the other side. Replacing insulators or placing a fiber washer on the
axle can/may solve the problem.
Steve
SnS Trains....Boise


In a message dated 07/15/2010 7:13:18 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
charlieandedith@... writes:




Greetings! Working on the Flyer 466 .... looking for a cause for the
hesitation in reverse and found that it runs in reverse without the cast
sideframes on the motorized truck. A piece of electrical tape on the inside of the
truck where the axles would touch the frame seems to have solved the
problem. Any thoughts on a more permanent fix? Thanks for your thoughts and best
wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61024 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email
How hard would it be to post a link in your email when you reference
something in the files and or photos section in the group. I
sometimes spend maybe 5 minutes or longer hunting your reference.
Half the time, maybe more, I give up. With 1000 members, how much
total time by the group is wasted ? With the link posted in the
email, you can click on it, and bang in a couple of seconds you are
there. You spend 5 minutes ( probably much less) to do this and the
group saves a 1000 minutes. If you don't know how to go this simple
procedure, Mike can explain it to you in more detail but all you have
to do is (1)go to the file, (2) right click on the URL at the top of
the screen and select copy, (3) go to the body of our email and right
click and past. DONE, and a 1000 members will thank you. It's not
just this group but most all the 20 groups I belong to - do you
understand the frustration?

Ted
Group: S-Trains Message: 61025 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Last Train Home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmJdCpEPIWs

This is one of my favorite Pat Matheny pieces, as I got this LP back in the late 70s, now I have the CD.

Some really nice train video on this.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61026 From: EDWARD Date: 7/16/2010
Subject: Sunkist packing Shed rerun
This in from the S-Scale group.

Ed Eckert


From: crf250x04 <century@...>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 9:37:09 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} More about Showcase Miniatures S scale Sunkist packing shed


Hi S-scale group
I want to thank you for your interest in Showcase Miniatures S scale Sunkist packing shed. This is my first post here. I joined today, Ed Hannon suggested that I join and let you know that I was intending to make more of the S scale Sunkist packing sheds. I had been recently getting calls from a few S scalers asking when I would be offering Sunkist Shed again in S scale. I originally made them in 2006 for the NASG. Later in 2007 I made a second run. Anyway I am planning on making the third run of these models and I have been hoping I could reach a few of you and let you know. If you are interested or just want to know more about the models I have posted an update on the Showcase Miniatures website www.showcaseminiatures.com If you decide to visit the website you will also notice that I have an additional S scale item listed. A picture is worth a thousand words so I will have it posted there on the website tomorrow. In brief it is tooth that can be added to the saw tooth roof extending the model an additional 4 and ¼ inches per section (tooth). I also want to thank those of you on the list here the purchased one from the last two runs I made of the model. You S scalers have been really good to me and I appreciate it.
Sincerely Joe Warren
Showcase Miniatures and Century Foundry
Group: S-Trains Message: 61027 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/16/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Heat a pan of water to a full boil.......place the shell in the water
with the bent portion fully submerged.

Leave it there for at least 20 minutes.

Remove, and apply gentle pressure to the bend.

Repeat as necessary.

Use care.....it's hot.......and too much pressure at a time can still
snap it, so repetition is better.



No guarantees...really depends how bad the bend is, and whether an
actual crack exists.

I've successfully used this method, with about 90% success.

The key is not to rush it......Patience!



If successful, it may require re-painting afterword as the hot water
immersion may discolor the paint.



<<<I recieved an email requestiong some hints on straightening RB pilot.
Well, somehow I lost it! So, if you're the one who posted me, please
repost>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61028 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email; Sorry, sent to wrong
Sorry, sent this to the wrong group, but still ....
Ted


>>Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@...?Subject=
Re%3AAdd%20the%20File%2FPhoto%20location%20URL%20in%20your%20email>trwalton@...
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1


Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:14 pm (PDT)

How hard would it be to post a link in your email when you reference
something in the files and or photos section in the group. I
sometimes spend maybe 5 minutes or longer hunting your reference.
Half the time, maybe more, I give up. With 1000 members, how much
total time by the group is wasted ? With the link posted in the
email, you can click on it, and bang in a couple of seconds you are
there. You spend 5 minutes ( probably much less) to do this and the
group saves a 1000 minutes. If you don't know how to go this simple
procedure, Mike can explain it to you in more detail but all you have
to do is (1)go to the file, (2) right click on the URL at the top of
the screen and select copy, (3) go to the body of our email and right
click and past. DONE, and a 1000 members will thank you. It's not
just this group but most all the 20 groups I belong to - do you
understand the frustration? Ted<<
Group: S-Trains Message: 61029 From: rep928 Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Reverse unit coil
I have a in-boiler reverse unit with a busted coil. Is this something for the trash, or is there a way to remove the coil from the frame, rewind and put back in?
Thanks! - Roy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61030 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Doug,

Thanks for the advice. I am the one who sent the post to David offline
and I did resend it to him without photos. I was thinking a low heat
oven, but the water sounds like a good idea. Keeps it to 212 degrees. I
will be interested to see what he can add. As to painting, my loco is
already in need of that. It is the worst wreck of a 353 circus
locomotive and it does have a crack, but it missed the B&O logo. I
figured I would use spot body putty to fill in any cracks.

Dale Smith

Doug Peck wrote:
>
> Heat a pan of water to a full boil.......place the shell in the water
> with the bent portion fully submerged.
>
> Leave it there for at least 20 minutes.
>
> Remove, and apply gentle pressure to the bend.
>
> Repeat as necessary.
>
> Use care.....it's hot.......and too much pressure at a time can still
> snap it, so repetition is better.
>
> No guarantees...really depends how bad the bend is, and whether an
> actual crack exists.
>
> I've successfully used this method, with about 90% success.
>
> The key is not to rush it......Patience!
>
> If successful, it may require re-painting afterword as the hot water
> immersion may discolor the paint.
>
> <<<I recieved an email requestiong some hints on straightening RB pilot.
> Well, somehow I lost it! So, if you're the one who posted me, please
> repost>>>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>
> www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
> www.sgaugetrains.com
> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61031 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Shell repairs
Doug and y'all....That is a good repair tip Doug! In my many junker rebuilds, I have run across bent or cracked shells, both cast "pot metal" and plastic. As you say, there are no guarantees that a particular method will work in all cases. However, using care and common sense, there is not much which can't be repaired.
In the case of castings, NEVER start wacking away with even a small hammer! This isn't auto body work. A strong jerk of pressure with pliers or channel locks is equally bad! Many times a bent area will already be cracked, but is very fine and you will not see it until you attempt a repair.
With plastic, a source of heat that does not accutually touch the plastic is preferable to fix bends and warps. A nearby soldering iron or using a hair dryer work. Work slowly and add heat carefully. The problem is that Gilbert era plastic is VERY fragile and hard to work without causing further damage.
Sometimes there is no fix for bends or the part you're trying to save breaks off anyway. Here you must straighten the broken pieces as much as you can, then reattach them as close to perfect as possible, using epoxy or similar adheasive. Crazy Glue will not work once you have changed the angle of the attaching area.
Once set completely, you have to rework the area with a good putty and then sand smooth. You will need to repeat this, adding primer paint to see how close you are to right, then sanding and working the area again. Do this until the area is invisible and then do your finish painting.
There's a local guy who is a master at this, especially working with brass locomotives, but he's been doing such work a lot longer than I have! I've saved some shells that no one else would attempt, but even so, I don't win them all! Sometimes all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put Humpty Dumpty's train back together again!
Stumpy Stone...Mad Butcher in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61032 From: David Dewey Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot PS
Doug's Method is as good or better than mine, and more concise!! Thanks Doug!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61033 From: Scale S Only Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email
Hi Ted and all --

I find the easiest way to see new photos is to just click on the "new
photos" at the bottom of every Yahoo group email page. Don't even have to
read the announcement that there is a new posting by Yahoo...

Of course, if you are looking for something in a different group, that could
be a problem...

Have fun!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

How hard would it be to post a link in your email when you reference
something in the files and or photos section in the group. I
sometimes spend maybe 5 minutes or longer hunting your reference.

Ted
Group: S-Trains Message: 61034 From: David Dewey Date: 7/17/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
Hi all!
Apparently my post asking about straightening a Royal Blue pilot was not clear. The person who posted me wanted my advice as I mentioned straightening one of my own. Since I haven't heard back from the "lost soul" and it seems others are interested in this process, I will try to cover what one can do that MIGHT allow a die cast part to be straightened.

Note that I said MIGHT, as there are many variables in the die cast metallurgy, and some pieces can be moved, and others can't. In any case do not expect to move the part much. Die cast metal has a fairly low melting point, so warming it up helps a lot. This can be done with a heat lamp, or even a hair dryer. Once the part is warm, it should move more easily. If you can put the part under tension while heating, sometimes it will move into place when it gets warm enough.

The photos sent to me showed a Circus Locomotive that the pilot had been hit in the front, and has already cracked. This will have to be carefully eased back into place, and the crack supported from the backside (I use J B Weld for this, but you may have another product you like better. The front side will have to be smoothed over with a filler material and then primed.

I hope this helps--good luck!

S'

David D.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61036 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse unit coil
I have about 20 RIB reverse units on hand. For $20 plus $2-3 shipping, why
pay 35 dollars to have one rewound, (probably not possible anyway).
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 07/17/2010 10:30:59 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
plotnick@... writes:




I have a in-boiler reverse unit with a busted coil. Is this something for
the trash, or is there a way to remove the coil from the frame, rewind and
put back in?
Thanks! - Roy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61037 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: AF items for sale
I'm wanting to sell a Washington Set in E+/LN condition, a 24319 Penn Salt
in Ex condition, and a Restored 295.(very pretty) and a 342 in Ex
condition.

Anyone interested in any of these please contact me off list.
Steve






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61038 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: 2-10-10-2
I just got back from the Lionel Legacy training in Ohio. While there, I was
fortunate to see the first of the new O gauge Santa Fe 2-10-10-2 3000 Steam
Locomotives with turtleback tender with cowcatcher, which was being put throught
its paces by Lionel Service Center staff. What a beautiful specimen. The
crowning glories are the prototypical swinging bell in time to the bell sound
plus a whistle steam effect (steam escaping the whistle while the whistle is
blown) and a blow-down effect behind the rear drivers.  What a sight to behold.
Hopefully, one day we will see these features in S gauge.

Joe
 
Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
###############.Authorized Lionel Service Station.###############
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 61039 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Custom Decals
I was a sales person in the food distribution business for 20 years.

One of my first companies I worked for in the 1980's was sold to another Mom and Pop distributor as this was my favorite food distributor to work for the whole time.

I wanted to make a custom truck and RR car with their logo on it.

I contacted LBR Enterprises who sells S scale decals and some O I think and he said he could. So I sent him a scan of what I wanted to have done and he made them for me and the price was very reasonable.

The decals came today and they are great.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61040 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: DCC Action Cars
I got my last action car converted over to DCC by Steve at SnS trains today.

The car converted was a Lionel remake of the 915 Gas Tanker unloading car.

IT IS GREAT! Works anywhere on the layout.

Linda said not to have a oil spill on the layout with it.

Now I have 2 box cars, the Joe and Moe Lumber car, a log dump car and now this one.

I know many do not like DCC, as they prefer the older way of doing things, but in time, with using this system, is it great, as you can run as many engines on the layout. I find it amazing that people grasp new technology with computers, cars, cell phones, TV's, etc., but with trains, people are stumped with DCC.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61041 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: lost posting on repairng Royal Blue pilot
David,

You might check your email delivery as I did send you a second post,
without attachments.

I do like the idea of putting it under tension while heating it as that
would allow you to control the heat to just the right point and back off
before it gets too hot. Figuring out how to do that without providing
a heatsink may be a challenge though. I also hadn't thought of using
JBWeld on the back side to strengthen it after straightening. If it
works, I will let all know.

Dale Smith, AKA "Lost Soul"


David Dewey wrote:
>
>
> Hi all!
> The person who posted me wanted my advice as I mentioned straightening
> one of my own. Since I haven't heard back from the "lost soul" and it
> seems others are interested in this process, I will try to cover what
> one can do that MIGHT allow a die cast part to be straightened.
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61042 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Disaster at the D&K RR
Friday we had a minor earthquake in Germantown, MD as the center of it
was about 2 miles away, a 3.5 quake, the biggest quake in the DC area
ever. We heard a loud bang at about 5 am.

Luckily there was no damage reported by anyone, as some said things in
their homes shook, as I have about 300 antique milk bottles all over the
house and that could of been a disaster. Nothing fell.

Anyway, today, I made about 30 S scale RR ties to put about the layout,
as one of the things you see along RR track are discarded old replaced
ties. I have never seen this on any layout before.

Anyway, I was showing Linda the ties on the layout when she notice a cow
was lying down, fallen over.

So, we had damage on the D&K RR as one cow fell over and I quickly
righted this cow back up.

So I have to call all the TV news, the Washington Post to report what
happen, as I think the police need to do a earthquake report here, as
damage was done at the Bishop Farm. The farm is named after Grant
Bishop wife, Cheryl as she was the one who painted the barn and they had
no need for a farm on their layout since it a city layout.

The cow is now eating grass again in a upright position stuck in time.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD
Group: S-Trains Message: 61043 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse unit coil
Hi Roy,
                          I can sell you a frame with a new coil.  It is almost impossible to get that coil out without damaging the reverse unit.  Please contact me at seccia@... and I'll give you prices for parts and shipping.
                                               Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote:

From: rep928 <plotnick@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse unit coil
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 11:02 PM







 









I have a in-boiler reverse unit with a busted coil. Is this something for the trash, or is there a way to remove the coil from the frame, rewind and put back in?

Thanks! - Roy

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61044 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: RR logo game
Group: S-Trains Message: 61045 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/18/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday July 18, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61046 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Hi all:
Two days ago I took an AM 4-8-4 ATSF out of its shipping package (I
bought it when they first were announced at least three years ago -
can't quite remember how long ago since time goes fairly fast when one
is over 70) and placed it on the track with no prework or anything,
strictly to show my granddaughter a larger engine from the 4-6-2 AM
pacific that I had been running for the last 6-7 years (which runs
flawlessly, but is a little sensitive to dirty track and electrical
pickup over non electrified frogs in turnouts). The 4-8-4 ran like a
champ. Fantastic slow speed using an old AF 12B dual transformer. I
don't know how in-depth the directions were - I do believe they are a
little sparse on pictures. Anybody know where the smoke switch is on
these (I must admit I haven't had time to look for it the last two days
- not exactly lazy, but bordering on it). Additionally, the bell tends
to cut a little short at the end as if the sound was stopped a little
early. Anyone else note this? Can it be adjusted? (Thanks for any
advice, Carl.)

In any event, it looks as though the ATSF will run as the 4-6-2 has done
for several years. Very glad I got it.
regards to all
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 61047 From: Herbert Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Mike, my Avast anti virus program detected malware on that site and blocked it.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://cwrr.com/Matching/index.shtml
>
> Mike Marmer
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61048 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Are you sure it was the earthquake and not a bunch of s-scale kids cow
tipping?

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 7/17/2010 11:18 PM, mlmarmer wrote:
>
> Friday we had a minor earthquake in Germantown, MD as the center of it
> was about 2 miles away, a 3.5 quake, the biggest quake in the DC area
> ever. We heard a loud bang at about 5 am.
>
> Luckily there was no damage reported by anyone, as some said things in
> their homes shook, as I have about 300 antique milk bottles all over the
> house and that could of been a disaster. Nothing fell.
>
> Anyway, today, I made about 30 S scale RR ties to put about the layout,
> as one of the things you see along RR track are discarded old replaced
> ties. I have never seen this on any layout before.
>
> Anyway, I was showing Linda the ties on the layout when she notice a cow
> was lying down, fallen over.
>
> So, we had damage on the D&K RR as one cow fell over and I quickly
> righted this cow back up.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61049 From: Larry Moore Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Mike, I too have purchased custom decals from Dave, for a couple of
projects. I will 2nd the fact that the decals are very good and reasonably
priced, and quick turn- around time. A valuable resource in restoring or
kit-bashing old rolling stock. Larry Moore



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mlmarmer
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:10 PM
To: S trains; Toy Trains; S Scale; steve Conard
Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals





I was a sales person in the food distribution business for 20 years.

One of my first companies I worked for in the 1980's was sold to another Mom
and Pop distributor as this was my favorite food distributor to work for the
whole time.

I wanted to make a custom truck and RR car with their logo on it.

I contacted LBR Enterprises who sells S scale decals and some O I think and
he said he could. So I sent him a scan of what I wanted to have done and he
made them for me and the price was very reasonable.

The decals came today and they are great.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61050 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Mike,
� Thank you ;o)
� It is very easy to do custom work for GREAT people like you.
� Take care.
Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc
 


--- On Sat, 7/17/10, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals
To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 2:10 PM


 



I was a sales person in the food distribution business for 20 years.

One of my first companies I worked for in the 1980's was sold to another Mom and Pop distributor as this was my favorite food distributor to work for the whole time.

I wanted to make a custom truck and RR car with their logo on it.

I contacted LBR Enterprises who sells S scale decals and some O I think and he said he could. So I sent him a scan of what I wanted to have done and he made them for me and the price was very reasonable.

The decals came today and they are great.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61051 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: apology
Sorry about the title for the last email (custom decals). It was
supposed to be Satisfaction.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 61052 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Herb,

I am very sorry about this, as I just clicked on the link below and it
went to the webpage for me just fine.

I heard from someone else that they had a problem too, but then I heard
from someone he thought this page was great.

So, I am not sure why some get to the page and some do not.

I got this from a TCA member who is a O gauger and I never had a problem
with the site.

Not sure why.

Mike

On 7/18/2010 6:22 PM, Herbert wrote:
>
> Mike, my Avast anti virus program detected malware on that site and
> blocked it.
> Herb Wasserman
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
> >
> > http://cwrr.com/Matching/index.shtml
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61053 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Add the File/Photo location URL in your email
Yes, Bill your approach can be helpful, but in some groups there may
be as many as 40 to 75 photos listed in the new photo category. And
if the photo referenced was listed a week or longer ago, it wont
appear in the recent listing. But much worst is that if you click on
the new file listing at the bottom of the email, the URL just takes
you to the file listing that contains all the files, not just the
newly posted.
There is a fellow posting a large number of instruction sheets in
another groups' file section, no indication what the file contains,
just IS- 285 or IS 305, etc. How will anybody be able to access the
instruction he's looking for out of several hundred without looking
at each file. The poster is using a lot of his personal time to do
this but people will not make use of it because the right document is
too difficult to find. Not all his fault - Yahoo should provide a
search engine to help locate a specific file, or photo.
There hasn't been much comment on this subject so I guess most
members don't really care, or just don't look at the photos or files,
or they don't see it asa problem for them. At my age my time is too
valuble to waste like this.
Just think how easy is to go to a movie posted to YOUTUBE when the
URL is posted in the email. How many would watch the movie if the
poster just said "I just posted a movie of my new train layout under
my username "find_it _yourself". Not me.
Ted
>>Hi Ted and all --
I find the easiest way to see new photos is to just click on the "new
photos" at the bottom of every Yahoo group email page. Don't even have to
read the announcement that there is a new posting by Yahoo...
Bill Winans, Prescott Valley, AZ<<
>>>How hard would it be to post a link in your email when you reference
something in the files and or photos section in the group. I
sometimes spend maybe 5 minutes or longer hunting your reference. Ted<<<
Group: S-Trains Message: 61054 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Actually I think it was the regulated Militia in the Free State of
Maryland causing all the trouble.

Just kidding Carey, as Hugo confiscated all the free arms here.

Mike

On 7/18/2010 6:38 PM, Carey Probst wrote:
>
> Are you sure it was the earthquake and not a bunch of s-scale kids cow
> tipping?
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> Perm: hcprobst@... <mailto:hcprobst%40alum.mit.edu>
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
> On 7/17/2010 11:18 PM, mlmarmer wrote:
> >
> > Friday we had a minor earthquake in Germantown, MD as the center of it
> > was about 2 miles away, a 3.5 quake, the biggest quake in the DC area
> > ever. We heard a loud bang at about 5 am.
> >
> > Luckily there was no damage reported by anyone, as some said things in
> > their homes shook, as I have about 300 antique milk bottles all over the
> > house and that could of been a disaster. Nothing fell.
> >
> > Anyway, today, I made about 30 S scale RR ties to put about the layout,
> > as one of the things you see along RR track are discarded old replaced
> > ties. I have never seen this on any layout before.
> >
> > Anyway, I was showing Linda the ties on the layout when she notice a cow
> > was lying down, fallen over.
> >
> > So, we had damage on the D&K RR as one cow fell over and I quickly
> > righted this cow back up.
> >
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61055 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Good possibility but I do not have any S scale kids on the layout,
only adults. Could be the adults. LOL

Or the drunk who came out of the Stadium Tavern that night.

Go Red Sox.

Mike

On 7/18/2010 6:38 PM, Carey Probst wrote:
>
> Are you sure it was the earthquake and not a bunch of s-scale kids cow
> tipping?
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> Perm: hcprobst@... <mailto:hcprobst%40alum.mit.edu>
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
> On 7/17/2010 11:18 PM, mlmarmer wrote:
> >
> > Friday we had a minor earthquake in Germantown, MD as the center of it
> > was about 2 miles away, a 3.5 quake, the biggest quake in the DC area
> > ever. We heard a loud bang at about 5 am.
> >
> > Luckily there was no damage reported by anyone, as some said things in
> > their homes shook, as I have about 300 antique milk bottles all over the
> > house and that could of been a disaster. Nothing fell.
> >
> > Anyway, today, I made about 30 S scale RR ties to put about the layout,
> > as one of the things you see along RR track are discarded old replaced
> > ties. I have never seen this on any layout before.
> >
> > Anyway, I was showing Linda the ties on the layout when she notice a cow
> > was lying down, fallen over.
> >
> > So, we had damage on the D&K RR as one cow fell over and I quickly
> > righted this cow back up.
> >
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61056 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/18/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Larry,

Good point, as I forgot to mention that I think I emailed Dave a week
ago, today and I have my decals yesterday.

Dave is a very good person to deal with as I have some of his decals on
my baseball wall, probably the weirdest thing ever done with one of his
decals. O:)! Decals are good for outdoor advertising.

Come to think of it, many building in real life, that back up to a
railroad track have some kind of ad on the back of the building for the
business.

Another possibility for a decal.

Mike

On 7/18/2010 7:11 PM, Larry Moore wrote:
>
> Mike, I too have purchased custom decals from Dave, for a couple of
> projects. I will 2nd the fact that the decals are very good and reasonably
> priced, and quick turn- around time. A valuable resource in restoring or
> kit-bashing old rolling stock. Larry Moore
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf
> Of mlmarmer
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: S trains; Toy Trains; S Scale; steve Conard
> Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals
>
> I was a sales person in the food distribution business for 20 years.
>
> One of my first companies I worked for in the 1980's was sold to
> another Mom
> and Pop distributor as this was my favorite food distributor to work
> for the
> whole time.
>
> I wanted to make a custom truck and RR car with their logo on it.
>
> I contacted LBR Enterprises who sells S scale decals and some O I
> think and
> he said he could. So I sent him a scan of what I wanted to have done
> and he
> made them for me and the price was very reasonable.
>
> The decals came today and they are great.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61057 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Diesel Hesitation
Greetings! Steve, thank you for the repair suggestions! The "hubs" on the inside fo the wheels were worn and the wheels were not centered on the axles. Correcting this, with your suggestions, put us back in running condition. Now to center the field over the armature ..... suggestions are appreciated. Again, my thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61058 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: WD-40
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/16/AR2010071605805.html

Many of us have used WD-40 on layouts probably as I have since learn we should not, since it attract dust.

This is a article about the product with a little history as the company was once known as Rocket Chemical Co.

I thought it might be a interesting read for many, as I used to use it on my bikes too, as that was a no no also, bad for the chain.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61059 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Earthquake Damage
I sent a note to John Kelly at the Washington Post about the situation
with my cow on the layout and the big earthquake of Germantown, 2010.
It seems he is interested in this, as he is a local columnist in the
Metro page. I have emailed him before about things. And this is front
page material. LOL

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Fwd: Earthquake Damage
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:35:44 -0400
From: John Kelly <kellyj@...>
To: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...>



Thanks for the note, Mike. Do you have a photo of the layout--and the cow?

John Kelly
The Washington Post
My column: www.washingtonpost.com/johnkelly
My blog: voices.washingtonpost.com/commons
202-334-5129
202-334-5150 (fax)
1150 15th St. NW
Washington, DC 20071
U.S.A.
Earth

"It's often said that life is strange, oh yes, but compared to what?"

-- Steve Forbert



From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: kellyj@...
Date: 07/19/2010 04:33 PM
Subject: Fwd: Earthquake Damage
------------------------------------------------------------------------



I had a J in front of Kelly for your email address, as I know you will
not want to miss this pressing news report from me. LOL

Mike

-------- Original Message --------
*Subject: *
Earthquake Damage
*Date: *
Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:30:59 -0400
*From: *
mlmarmer _<mlmarmer@...>_ <mailto:mlmarmer@...>
*To: *
_jkellyj@..._ <mailto:jkellyj@...>




John,

I live in Germantown, MD about 2 miles from the epicenter of the quake
that happen Friday morning.

All reports have come in to all the media that no one was hurt nor was
there any damage, which is great.

But I have to report this to someone that a cow on my train layout I am
building that will be in a National Toy Train magazine fell over, as I
know this for a fact. I took pictures of my newly completed farm with
assorted cows at it and all cows where standing.

On Saturday, I finished making RR ties to have abandon along the layout
as with real RRs, you see discarded old ties lying about the tracks as
they are replaced with new ones.

I showed my wife on Saturday and she said ''Look, a cow fell over! Must
be due to the earthquake we had" as I showed her the completed farm on
Thursday night and all was well then, as all cows where standing upright.

So, please have the presses stop and have this as front page news as
soon as possible.

Actually to be serious, I was really lucky that we really did not have
any damage, as I have 300 antique glass milk bottles all over the house.

The above about the cow is a complete true story but in fun.

By the way, you had a story about the Hotel Harrington in DC. For years
they had a billboard as you went south on I-95 in Delaware for the
hotel, hoping that people going to DC would stay at the hotel.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61060 From: Bruce Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
Mike,

I thought only we on the left coast went through that kind of stuff. Glad nothing broke in your collection. That would have really hurt.

I actually went through the 7.0 '89 quake that crippled San Francisco, on the Loma Prieta fault. I was stationed in Monterey, CA at the time and was picking up my kids at their Elementary School when it happened. We were about 20 miles from the epicenter. I had to actually spread my legs to remain standing. When I got home, book shelves were toppled, my VCR was flipped onto the floor from the top of a console TV, and pictures were thrown from the walls. Thank God that my trains at the time were in large boxes and not on a layout, as I had no room to set anything up.

I gained a new respect for Mother Nature.

Bruce




From: mlmarmer
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM
To: S trains ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery ; PMa6261185@... ; jsnell5990@... ; Jeanette Ryba
Subject: [S-Trains] Disaster at the D&K RR



Friday we had a minor earthquake in Germantown, MD as the center of it
was about 2 miles away, a 3.5 quake, the biggest quake in the DC area
ever. We heard a loud bang at about 5 am.

Luckily there was no damage reported by anyone, as some said things in
their homes shook, as I have about 300 antique milk bottles all over the
house and that could of been a disaster. Nothing fell.

Anyway, today, I made about 30 S scale RR ties to put about the layout,
as one of the things you see along RR track are discarded old replaced
ties. I have never seen this on any layout before.

Anyway, I was showing Linda the ties on the layout when she notice a cow
was lying down, fallen over.

So, we had damage on the D&K RR as one cow fell over and I quickly
righted this cow back up.

So I have to call all the TV news, the Washington Post to report what
happen, as I think the police need to do a earthquake report here, as
damage was done at the Bishop Farm. The farm is named after Grant
Bishop wife, Cheryl as she was the one who painted the barn and they had
no need for a farm on their layout since it a city layout.

The cow is now eating grass again in a upright position stuck in time.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61061 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://cwrr.com/Matching/index.shtml
>
> Mike Marmer

hey mike, thanks for the link. got it in 14 moves first time, anyone do better???? dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61062 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: Disaster at the D&K RR
It's a little-known fact that my son caused the Loma Prieta quake. He flushed the toilet and all h••• broke loose!



On Jul 18, 2010, at 9:20 PM, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:


Mike,

I thought only we on the left coast went through that kind of stuff. Glad nothing broke in your collection. That would have really hurt.

I actually went through the 7.0 '89 quake that crippled San Francisco, on the Loma Prieta fault. I was stationed in Monterey, CA at the time and was picking up my kids at their Elementary School when it happened. We were about 20 miles from the epicenter. I had to actually spread my legs to remain standing. When I got home, book shelves were toppled, my VCR was flipped onto the floor from the top of a console TV, and pictures were thrown from the walls. Thank God that my trains at the time were in large boxes and not on a layout, as I had no room to set anything up.

I gained a new respect for Mother Nature.

Bruce

From: mlmarmer
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM
To: S trains ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery ; PMa6261185@... ; jsnell5990@... ; Jeanette Ryba
Subject: [S-Trains] Disaster at the D&K RR

Friday we had a minor earthquake in Germantown, MD as the center of it
was about 2 miles away, a 3.5 quake, the biggest quake in the DC area
ever. We heard a loud bang at about 5 am.

Luckily there was no damage reported by anyone, as some said things in
their homes shook, as I have about 300 antique milk bottles all over the
house and that could of been a disaster. Nothing fell.

Anyway, today, I made about 30 S scale RR ties to put about the layout,
as one of the things you see along RR track are discarded old replaced
ties. I have never seen this on any layout before.

Anyway, I was showing Linda the ties on the layout when she notice a cow
was lying down, fallen over.

So, we had damage on the D&K RR as one cow fell over and I quickly
righted this cow back up.

So I have to call all the TV news, the Washington Post to report what
happen, as I think the police need to do a earthquake report here, as
damage was done at the Bishop Farm. The farm is named after Grant
Bishop wife, Cheryl as she was the one who painted the barn and they had
no need for a farm on their layout since it a city layout.

The cow is now eating grass again in a upright position stuck in time.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61063 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Dave,

You are welcome and thanks again.

Mike

On 7/18/2010 4:43 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote:
>
> Mike,
> � Thank you ;o)
> � It is very easy to do custom work for GREAT people like you.
> � Take care.
> Dave
> LBR Enterprises, llc
>
>
> --- On Sat, 7/17/10, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals
> To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>>, "Toy Trains"
> <toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com>>, "S
> Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-scale%40yahoogroups.com>>,
> "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...
> <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net>>
> Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 2:10 PM
>
>
>
> I was a sales person in the food distribution business for 20 years.
>
> One of my first companies I worked for in the 1980's was sold to
> another Mom and Pop distributor as this was my favorite food
> distributor to work for the whole time.
>
> I wanted to make a custom truck and RR car with their logo on it.
>
> I contacted LBR Enterprises who sells S scale decals and some O I
> think and he said he could. So I sent him a scan of what I wanted to
> have done and he made them for me and the price was very reasonable.
>
> The decals came today and they are great.
>
> Mike Marmer
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61064 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Cow is Moooved Over
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/20/AR2010072005487_2.html?sub=AR

This is the second time my layout has made news in the newspaper, as a local columnist for the Washington Post ran with my story about one of my S scale cows falling over during the Great Earthquake of 2010, Germantown, MD, as there was no reports of any damage, thankfully, anywhere in the papers. But something did happen, a cow fell over and has to be noted.

The first time something from the layout got into the papers and on the web, as when my painted Frosty Bar from the 1950s made it to the comic Zippy last year.
http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ZTP&Product_Code=4-Nov-09&Category_Code

And the layout isn't even done yet. LOL

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61065 From: The Reardon's Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
I did it in 16 the first time. I'ts really kind of maddening because I haven't managed under 26 since. I think "old-timers disease" is really settting in.

Pat, in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: reynoldsjmus
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RR logo game





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://cwrr.com/Matching/index.shtml
>
> Mike Marmer

hey mike, thanks for the link. got it in 14 moves first time, anyone do better???? dale





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61066 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
I got them in 18 moves.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:12 PM, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

Herb,

I am very sorry about this, as I just clicked on the link below and it
went to the webpage for me just fine.

I heard from someone else that they had a problem too, but then I heard
from someone he thought this page was great.

So, I am not sure why some get to the page and some do not.

I got this from a TCA member who is a O gauger and I never had a problem
with the site.

Not sure why.

Mike

On 7/18/2010 6:22 PM, Herbert wrote:
>
> Mike, my Avast anti virus program detected malware on that site and
> blocked it.
> Herb Wasserman
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
> >
> > http://cwrr.com/Matching/index.shtml
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61067 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: RR logo game
Good to hear that someone was able to get to the game on this site.

Mike

On 7/21/2010 3:57 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote:
>
> I got them in 18 moves.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:12 PM, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> I am very sorry about this, as I just clicked on the link below and it
> went to the webpage for me just fine.
>
> I heard from someone else that they had a problem too, but then I heard
> from someone he thought this page was great.
>
> So, I am not sure why some get to the page and some do not.
>
> I got this from a TCA member who is a O gauger and I never had a problem
> with the site.
>
> Not sure why.
>
> Mike
>
> On 7/18/2010 6:22 PM, Herbert wrote:
> >
> > Mike, my Avast anti virus program detected malware on that site and
> > blocked it.
> > Herb Wasserman
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://cwrr.com/Matching/index.shtml
> > >
> > > Mike Marmer
> > >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61068 From: Alex Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over
Hey Mike,
That was just a baby earthquake, word on the street is that Hugo was out cow tipping after a late night at the ballpark.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: mlmarmer
To: Ziembicki, Paul ; Pinhead Productions ; John Picur ; Linda Marmer ; Mary Ann Griffin ; Suz Fraser ; Cookie Flannery ; Michael Flaherty ; Sheila Duffy ; Larry & Tena Dilello ; carmel17@... ; John Cangemi ; Bill9678@... ; Ralph Loveless ; Steve Hoschler ; steve Conard ; jsnell5990@... ; PMa6261185@... ; Valerie Singleton ; Jeanette Ryba ; S trains ; S Scale ; Toy Trains
Cc: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Cow is Moooved Over



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/20/AR2010072005487_2.html?sub=AR

This is the second time my layout has made news in the newspaper, as a local columnist for the Washington Post ran with my story about one of my S scale cows falling over during the Great Earthquake of 2010, Germantown, MD, as there was no reports of any damage, thankfully, anywhere in the papers. But something did happen, a cow fell over and has to be noted.

The first time something from the layout got into the papers and on the web, as when my painted Frosty Bar from the 1950s made it to the comic Zippy last year.
http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ZTP&Product_Code=4-Nov-09&Category_Code

And the layout isn't even done yet. LOL

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61069 From: Don 'Mac' Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Looking for...Hermosa Beach Depot
Does anyone know if the ATSF 'Hermosa Beach' depot, from MicroTech Scale Models has ever been produced? A year or two ago I came across a photo of it on line, but I have never actually seen one. The phone number for MicroTech in Calif is not active.

So this brings us to the reason for the inquiry. Does anyone know who carried this as a sale item? Or, are there any out there that might be up for sale?

Thanks for any info,
Don McGinnis
Group: S-Trains Message: 61070 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over
Yes, Alex, many have said that.

Wait, I have to go, President Obama is on the phone, Linda said he wants
to know if the cow is okay and does the cow need anything.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 61071 From: Bruce Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
This one obviously got out of control. While this particular dealer paper is probably a little on the rare side, there is no way it was worth what it went for (at least in my opinion). Just thought you all would like to see an "auction gone wild":

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123

Bruce


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61072 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Bruce,

It was a bidding war between two people as I think it is great, that
this happens, as the seller is happy and the winner is happy as he or
she really wanted this item. hard to tell, if they where a Gilbert
collector or a fan of Bat man items. To the buyer, it was worth every
penny.

I think it was some crazoid Phillies fan that brought as they needed to
hide themselves at the next Phillies game they go to. Just kidding, as
I know Bruce is a diehard Phillies fan. They boo anyone even their own
grandmothers, I learned on a Nats broadcast. LOL

Throwing snow at Santa too in Philly. LOL

Mike

On 7/21/2010 11:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>
> This one obviously got out of control. While this particular dealer
> paper is probably a little on the rare side, there is no way it was
> worth what it went for (at least in my opinion). Just thought you all
> would like to see an "auction gone wild":
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>
>
> Bruce
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61073 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Well, it proves that somebody still has money out there, the bidders were probably a couple of Goldman-Sucks employees. It also proves that "a fool and his money is soon parted" is as true as ever.
$177 bucks for "paper?" That's hilarious! We used to see this among car collectors some years back, but they wised up.
Drug dealers and drug users are usually happy after a sale too, but that doesn't make them smart.
Stumpy Stone...just a dumb old boy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 61074 From: Robert Conner Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
BIDDING WAR..... I had an item up way back ib the 90's... It was a $1.00 Star note.... Serial note 000000001*... Started at about 10.00... coin dealears offered me up to 185.00... Well it went wild near the end jumping from about 1000.00 to finally close at $7200.00... Many wanted it,,, so they bid on it..... All were HAPPY!!!!!!! ME TOO!!!!!!!
Paper... I sold one 1965 PRESS KIT.... went for 1300.....
I am thinking of putting up a Salesman Sample Book wiyh his name embossed on the cover from 1965 period.... DUH.... There can only be ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really goos and hard to get stuff will still bring big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...
Want me to put up a 375 in VG condition?????? ORIGINAL AND REAL.... Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 9:42 AM


 



Bruce,

It was a bidding war between two people as I think it is great, that
this happens, as the seller is happy and the winner is happy as he or
she really wanted this item. hard to tell, if they where a Gilbert
collector or a fan of Bat man items. To the buyer, it was worth every
penny.

I think it was some crazoid Phillies fan that brought as they needed to
hide themselves at the next Phillies game they go to. Just kidding, as
I know Bruce is a diehard Phillies fan. They boo anyone even their own
grandmothers, I learned on a Nats broadcast. LOL

Throwing snow at Santa too in Philly. LOL

Mike

On 7/21/2010 11:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>
> This one obviously got out of control. While this particular dealer
> paper is probably a little on the rare side, there is no way it was
> worth what it went for (at least in my opinion). Just thought you all
> would like to see an "auction gone wild":
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>
>
> Bruce
>
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>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61075 From: Bruce Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Booooooo......... ;>)

Those bidding wars do get out of control sometimes. I couldn't tell if there was a "D" number on that sheet or not. I don't think so. I will say that I have never seen one before and there is no reference to it in any of the paper references.

Bruce



From: mlmarmer
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:42 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Uut of control Gilbert paper auction



Bruce,

It was a bidding war between two people as I think it is great, that
this happens, as the seller is happy and the winner is happy as he or
she really wanted this item. hard to tell, if they where a Gilbert
collector or a fan of Bat man items. To the buyer, it was worth every
penny.

I think it was some crazoid Phillies fan that brought as they needed to
hide themselves at the next Phillies game they go to. Just kidding, as
I know Bruce is a diehard Phillies fan. They boo anyone even their own
grandmothers, I learned on a Nats broadcast. LOL

Throwing snow at Santa too in Philly. LOL

Mike

On 7/21/2010 11:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>
> This one obviously got out of control. While this particular dealer
> paper is probably a little on the rare side, there is no way it was
> worth what it went for (at least in my opinion). Just thought you all
> would like to see an "auction gone wild":
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>
>
> Bruce
>
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>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61076 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Why is it that some knock those who buy things as a price they think
is silly, to them.

This happened with the 1946 tender that was purchased by someone.

How does this effect your life, that someone spent that much money for
something they really wanted.

Why the tie in to Goldman Sachs, not Goldman-Sucks.

If you where a bidders, then maybe sour grapes.

If you where not a bidders, what do you care, as I mean this in general
to anyone, not anyone particular person.

Me, I think this is great, as i only hope I am this fortunate when it
is time for me to sell things I have as collectibles and that is not
just AF trains.

I can't wait to sell my baseball cards I got from the 50s and 60s for a
penny apiece in 20 years as sports collectibles will be always in great
demand.

I just do not understand the bashing of people who purchase things as
someone else thinks it is silly, the way it written on this list at times.

The correct value for something is what a person is willing to pay for
it, as no book or guide is always correct.

These items bring pleasure to themselves, as I do not understand the
connection here to drug dealers, and in time, they will sell that item,
and who knows at the time, if it goes for more or less.

I think it is time to stop making fun of people who buy things you feel
is silly to you. It is not to them and so be it.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 61077 From: robert hendrickson Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
I always thought the saying was: A fool and his money are welcome everywhere.

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Out of control Gilbert auction
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 1:29 PM


 



Well, it proves that somebody still has money out there, the bidders were probably a couple of Goldman-Sucks employees. It also proves that "a fool and his money is soon parted" is as true as ever.
$177 bucks for "paper?" That's hilarious! We used to see this among car collectors some years back, but they wised up.
Drug dealers and drug users are usually happy after a sale too, but that doesn't make them smart.
Stumpy Stone...just a dumb old boy in Appalachia











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61078 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Stop it Mike!!! You are scaring me. You are making to much sense. Mike in
Ore


In a message dated 7/22/2010 1:58:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Why is it that some knock those who buy things as a price they think
is silly, to them.

This happened with the 1946 tender that was purchased by someone.

How does this effect your life, that someone spent that much money for
something they really wanted.

Why the tie in to Goldman Sachs, not Goldman-Sucks.

If you where a bidders, then maybe sour grapes.

If you where not a bidders, what do you care, as I mean this in general
to anyone, not anyone particular person.

Me, I think this is great, as i only hope I am this fortunate when it
is time for me to sell things I have as collectibles and that is not
just AF trains.

I can't wait to sell my baseball cards I got from the 50s and 60s for a
penny apiece in 20 years as sports collectibles will be always in great
demand.

I just do not understand the bashing of people who purchase things as
someone else thinks it is silly, the way it written on this list at times.

The correct value for something is what a person is willing to pay for
it, as no book or guide is always correct.

These items bring pleasure to themselves, as I do not understand the
connection here to drug dealers, and in time, they will sell that item,
and who knows at the time, if it goes for more or less.

I think it is time to stop making fun of people who buy things you feel
is silly to you. It is not to them and so be it.

Mike Marmer




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61079 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Mike is Right
I agree with Mike Marmer 110%.

Jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61080 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
I love it when a Philly fan boo's. LOL

Hey, it was a fake item then. LOL JUST KIDDING.

Who knows.

I did a google search on bat man sunglasses A C Gilbert and nothing pops up.

I think the girl in the ad purchased the ad.

Mike

On 7/22/2010 3:40 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>
> Booooooo......... ;>)
>
> Those bidding wars do get out of control sometimes. I couldn't tell if
> there was a "D" number on that sheet or not. I don't think so. I will
> say that I have never seen one before and there is no reference to it
> in any of the paper references.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: mlmarmer
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:42 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
>
> Bruce,
>
> It was a bidding war between two people as I think it is great, that
> this happens, as the seller is happy and the winner is happy as he or
> she really wanted this item. hard to tell, if they where a Gilbert
> collector or a fan of Bat man items. To the buyer, it was worth every
> penny.
>
> I think it was some crazoid Phillies fan that brought as they needed to
> hide themselves at the next Phillies game they go to. Just kidding, as
> I know Bruce is a diehard Phillies fan. They boo anyone even their own
> grandmothers, I learned on a Nats broadcast. LOL
>
> Throwing snow at Santa too in Philly. LOL
>
> Mike
>
> On 7/21/2010 11:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >
> > This one obviously got out of control. While this particular dealer
> > paper is probably a little on the rare side, there is no way it was
> > worth what it went for (at least in my opinion). Just thought you all
> > would like to see an "auction gone wild":
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>
>
> >
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>>
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61081 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: S scale truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 61082 From: mlmarmer Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Bob,

I think many do not know what a Star note is, as that is a bill, paper
money where a bill was replacement due to a error in printing, so that
serial number I think is reused with a star next to it. They have
value and your note was unique due to serial number. Probably today,
it would got even higher now, as usually coins, paper money do that.

Nothing wrong with the things Bob sold for the money he got, as he said
he was happy and many wanted it.

Mike

On 7/22/2010 11:18 AM, Robert Conner wrote:
>
> BIDDING WAR..... I had an item up way back ib the 90's... It was a
> $1.00 Star note.... Serial note 000000001*... Started at about
> 10.00... coin dealears offered me up to 185.00... Well it went wild
> near the end jumping from about 1000.00 to finally close at
> $7200.00... Many wanted it,,, so they bid on it..... All were
> HAPPY!!!!!!! ME TOO!!!!!!!
> Paper... I sold one 1965 PRESS KIT.... went for 1300.....
> I am thinking of putting up a Salesman Sample Book wiyh his name
> embossed on the cover from 1965 period.... DUH.... There can only be
> ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Really goos and hard to get stuff will still bring big
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...
> Want me to put up a 375 in VG condition?????? ORIGINAL AND REAL....
> Bob Conner
>
> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 9:42 AM
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> It was a bidding war between two people as I think it is great, that
> this happens, as the seller is happy and the winner is happy as he or
> she really wanted this item. hard to tell, if they where a Gilbert
> collector or a fan of Bat man items. To the buyer, it was worth every
> penny.
>
> I think it was some crazoid Phillies fan that brought as they needed to
> hide themselves at the next Phillies game they go to. Just kidding, as
> I know Bruce is a diehard Phillies fan. They boo anyone even their own
> grandmothers, I learned on a Nats broadcast. LOL
>
> Throwing snow at Santa too in Philly. LOL
>
> Mike
>
> On 7/21/2010 11:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >
> > This one obviously got out of control. While this particular dealer
> > paper is probably a little on the rare side, there is no way it was
> > worth what it went for (at least in my opinion). Just thought you all
> > would like to see an "auction gone wild":
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>
>
> >
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>>
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61083 From: Gerry Evans Date: 7/24/2010
Subject: Fw: [buildingsandstructures] Convention
FOLKS:
I received the mail below on the Yahoo B&S list. I think, especially the STL guys, will find the links somewhat interesting. Pay special attention to the graphic head on the "conventionmanufacturers" link. Three pictures with two of them showing vendors who have traditionally marketed to S-heads, Heimburger and Banta. I found that arrangement somewhat ironic. Bill, though, as of some months ago announced that, except for special projects, which I'm taking to mean further expansion of the Malinowski adaptations from O to S, he was going to abandon S all together. If you check his site, he has been true to his word; only the S headers remain with no products illustrated. Bill marches to his own drummer. I did notice what I would consider to be three "holes" in the vendor list: Bar Mills, FOS Ltd. and Anderson Models. These traditionally show up at the NG shows and are conspicuous by their absence. Otherwise, the vendor list is a nice aggregation of all kinds of providers and manufacturers. I think this show is well worth the price of admission. NASG, for years now, has always planned to have a presence at the NG show but always starts the process a day late and dollar short as all of them seem to sell out a year in advance. Believe me; I've been there and done that.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff for the time being


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Rands
Subject: [buildingsandstructures] Convention


Now wait! There are 28 layouts on tour over a 5 day period. Many of the layouts incorporate standard gauge with the narrow gauge. Some, such as Gary Hoover's and Eric Brooman's layouts have been featured in the Model Railroader and Craftsman for years. Plus the tours are all free!
http://30ngconvention.org/homelayouttours.htm

As far as the convention itself, we have over 110 manufacturers and vendors attending in the 35,000 square foot St. Charles Convention Center just west of St. Louis. These include manufacturers that produce structures, scenery, track, tools, detail parts, DCC components and other products that can be used on any layout.
http://30ngconvention.org/conventionmanufacturers.htm

Also, in the morning and evening at the adjoining hotel, Embassy Hotel, there will be approximately 50 clinics on topics such as tree making, carving stonework, photography, weathering, 5 different clinics on scenery, and other non-gauge related subjects.
http://30ngconvention.org/clinicschedulecombined07172010.pdf

Of course if your interest is narrow gauge there is even more for you.

The Convention runs from Wednesday evening Sept. 1 thru Sat. Sept. 4. The cost for all this is only $85 for all 4 days and $35 for a one day admission if you register before Aug. 1. See our website - 30ngconvention. org.

Hope to see you in St. Louis.

Richard Rands
Manufacturers Liaison




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61084 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/24/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
Mike and others...I have heard the whining for so many years by collectors of all kinds (more from toy train collectors than real car collectors) about the prices they have to pay for things.
If you guys WANT to pay ridiculous prices, I don't want to hear one more collector gripe about prices they have to pay, be it on eBay or at York. You are your own worst enemy.
Nor do I want to hear you whine when prices are down and you can't sell your stuff for more than you paid for it.
If you have reduced the hobby to a money making device, I find that sad. And it is also detrimental to the survival of the hobby of toy trains as simply a hobby for the rest of us.
The reference to Goldman-Sachs should be obvious if you have been paying attention to what is going on in the world, unless you are so wealthy that the current economic situation doesn't effect you.
I would go on, but there is close to "political content" right now, and I don't care to waste more of my blood pressure mediaction on collecting. I'm going to go play with my trains.
Stumpy Stone...hobbyist with no pretence of making my hobby a "cash cow" in Appalachia.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61086 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/24/2010
Subject: Re: Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
Hi
I sent a copy of this to Dan Olson he has one the number ist-366-1 printed on both sides thanks stan
----- Original Message -----
From: mlmarmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Uut of control Gilbert paper auction



I love it when a Philly fan boo's. LOL

Hey, it was a fake item then. LOL JUST KIDDING.

Who knows.

I did a google search on bat man sunglasses A C Gilbert and nothing pops up.

I think the girl in the ad purchased the ad.

Mike

On 7/22/2010 3:40 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>
> Booooooo......... ;>)
>
> Those bidding wars do get out of control sometimes. I couldn't tell if
> there was a "D" number on that sheet or not. I don't think so. I will
> say that I have never seen one before and there is no reference to it
> in any of the paper references.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: mlmarmer
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:42 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Uut of control Gilbert paper auction
>
> Bruce,
>
> It was a bidding war between two people as I think it is great, that
> this happens, as the seller is happy and the winner is happy as he or
> she really wanted this item. hard to tell, if they where a Gilbert
> collector or a fan of Bat man items. To the buyer, it was worth every
> penny.
>
> I think it was some crazoid Phillies fan that brought as they needed to
> hide themselves at the next Phillies game they go to. Just kidding, as
> I know Bruce is a diehard Phillies fan. They boo anyone even their own
> grandmothers, I learned on a Nats broadcast. LOL
>
> Throwing snow at Santa too in Philly. LOL
>
> Mike
>
> On 7/21/2010 11:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >
> > This one obviously got out of control. While this particular dealer
> > paper is probably a little on the rare side, there is no way it was
> > worth what it went for (at least in my opinion). Just thought you all
> > would like to see an "auction gone wild":
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>
>
> >
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230499164965&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123>>
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/25/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61088 From: michael prell Date: 7/26/2010
Subject: Re: Out of control Gilbert auction
This would make a great Sunday Night Chat Debate! Go for it, folks!
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:re: Out of control Gilbert auction
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:01 AM


 



Mike and others...I have heard the whining for so many years by collectors of all kinds (more from toy train collectors than real car collectors) about the prices they have to pay for things.
If you guys WANT to pay ridiculous prices, I don't want to hear one more collector gripe about prices they have to pay, be it on eBay or at York. You are your own worst enemy.
Nor do I want to hear you whine when prices are down and you can't sell your stuff for more than you paid for it.
If you have reduced the hobby to a money making device, I find that sad. And it is also detrimental to the survival of the hobby of toy trains as simply a hobby for the rest of us.
The reference to Goldman-Sachs should be obvious if you have been paying attention to what is going on in the world, unless you are so wealthy that the current economic situation doesn't effect you.
I would go on, but there is close to "political content" right now, and I don't care to waste more of my blood pressure mediaction on collecting. I'm going to go play with my trains.
Stumpy Stone...hobbyist with no pretence of making my hobby a "cash cow" in Appalachia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61089 From: fahrwud Date: 7/29/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over/variation on earthquake cows.
Neat stuff!

Here's a prototype for that bang on the layout that causes all the animals to fall over........

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/374368-lightning-bolt-kills-52-cows
Group: S-Trains Message: 61090 From: Michael & LInda Marer Date: 7/30/2010
Subject: Re: Cow is Moooved Over/variation on earthquake cows.
Thank you as my cow is now back on his or her feet or hoof.

I am sorry to read about those cows killed in that storm.

Mike


On 7/29/2010 3:02 AM, fahrwud wrote:
>
> Neat stuff!
>
> Here's a prototype for that bang on the layout that causes all the
> animals to fall over........
>
> http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/374368-lightning-bolt-kills-52-cows
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61091 From: Rance and Bente Date: 7/30/2010
Subject: Re: {S Lists} Is there one...??
Hi all:
I would also like to ask for the same thing, but with approximately code
.125 rail and with the motor or hand throw already attached. I think AM
has some brass type that are RTR, but that is about code .149 which is a
little high for what I want. Please steer me towards a RTR (either
electrically operated or with installed throw rods). I need somewhere
between 3-5 pairs of RTR #6, code .125 (or slightly larger - up to about
code .133). Do they exist? (Do they also take scale and high rail
wheels?) I know Tom Stoltz will make them in almost any size rail, but
I would also like to have them so that they 'electrify' the frogs and
points when thrown. Oh, one other thing, I am still in the 'dark ages'
using ac rather than dc or dcc. Well, one can't have everything!
Thanks in advance
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Edward Loizeaux wrote:
>
>
> Gents...A friend just sent me an email regarding turnouts which got me to
> thinking? Is there a ready-to-run (RTR) #6 turnout in S scale using code
> .100 rail which meets ALL of the NASG specifications? If so, could someone
> please steer me toward it. Looking for a complete RTR product -- not a kit
> -- which does not require spiking or staining or cutting wood or anything
> more than gluing/nailing it down and attaching a handthrow or motor of
> choice. Is there such a product in S-land? Thanks for your help...Ed L.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61092 From: richs009 Date: 7/30/2010
Subject: 951 heavyweight?
There are some current postings on eBay for "restored" Gilbert heavyweight passenger cars, including two listings for 951 'heavyweight' baggage cars (not the combo cars). The red version is at 380253697818 -- green at -25. The red version in particular looks like a nice "restoration" job, but I don't believe that Gilbert ever produced a heavyweight baggage car. The 951 cars they produced were, in fact, baggage cars but were the "New Haven" style - i.e., the same body shape as the 650, 655, 955 passenger cars.

Not sure what the origin of the baggage cars shown in the eBay listings is, but they clearly aren't restorations of original 951 cars (at least not without a lot of kit-bashing). Am I wrong?

- Rich

ps Doyle's book shows pictures of the 951 as New Haven style cars (p. 149) and Bob Graves Upstairs Trains website shows pictures of 951 baggage cars that are also New Haven style.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61093 From: Don Thompson Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Dear Rich,
I do not recognize the baggage car on e-bay. But, the 951 was
modeled after the PRR B60 prototype.
Don

On Jul 31, 2010, at 12:22 AM, richs009 wrote:

> baggage cars but were the "New Haven" style



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61094 From: Jerry Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Hmmmm. My guess is that it's a resin body version that may have been made by American Hirail run by a gentleman named Hodgeson. His offerings are very nice and fall into the "what if" category. It could also be a kitbashed item using two combines....

It is kinda cool, though. For operators like me, it would fit right in. The price is OK too (for what it is).

What do you guys think?

Jerry Poniatowski

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
....but I don't believe that Gilbert ever produced a heavyweight baggage car......Not sure what the origin of the baggage cars shown in the eBay listings is, but they clearly aren't restorations of original 951 cars (at least not without a lot of kit-bashing). Am I wrong?
>
> - Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 61095 From: acgilbertguy Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Rich,

I purchased two of these shells at York a few years ago. One had been painted in heavyweight red and the other green. No lettering or running gear, just the shells. There are no markings on the inside and they don't appear to have been kit bashed. They certainly weren't made from two combo shells as the doors are not in the same place. I was told that someone had made molds for these cars and produced a limited number, but didn't know who that "someone" was. The two on ebay are the only ones I have seen other than the two I have. Mine still have no lettering or numbers on them since I haven't found a way to make white letter decals. I plan on giving mine the number 950, a number Gilbert didn't use and name them MT. RUSHMORE. However GREAT LAKES is a good name also. Hopefully someone else in this group can tell us who made these shells. I too, would like to know.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> There are some current postings on eBay for "restored" Gilbert heavyweight passenger cars, including two listings for 951 'heavyweight' baggage cars (not the combo cars). The red version is at 380253697818 -- green at -25. The red version in particular looks like a nice "restoration" job, but I don't believe that Gilbert ever produced a heavyweight baggage car. The 951 cars they produced were, in fact, baggage cars but were the "New Haven" style - i.e., the same body shape as the 650, 655, 955 passenger cars.
>
> Not sure what the origin of the baggage cars shown in the eBay listings is, but they clearly aren't restorations of original 951 cars (at least not without a lot of kit-bashing). Am I wrong?
>
> - Rich
>
> ps Doyle's book shows pictures of the 951 as New Haven style cars (p. 149) and Bob Graves Upstairs Trains website shows pictures of 951 baggage cars that are also New Haven style.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61096 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Isn't the unloading Express car a baggage car? Alistair
On Sat 31/07/10 1:52 PM , "richs009" richs009@... sent:
There are some current postings on eBay for "restored" Gilbert
heavyweight passenger cars, including two listings for 951
'heavyweight' baggage cars (not the combo cars). The red version is
at 380253697818 -- green at -25. The red version in particular looks
like a nice "restoration" job, but I don't believe that Gilbert ever
produced a heavyweight baggage car. The 951 cars they produced were,
in fact, baggage cars but were the "New Haven" style - i.e., the same
body shape as the 650, 655, 955 passenger cars.
Not sure what the origin of the baggage cars shown in the eBay
listings is, but they clearly aren't restorations of original 951
cars (at least not without a lot of kit-bashing). Am I wrong?
- Rich
ps Doyle's book shows pictures of the 951 as New Haven style cars
(p. 149) and Bob Graves Upstairs Trains website shows pictures of 951
baggage cars that are also New Haven style.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61097 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: 951 heavyweight?
Can't say this for certain, but some years ago, we produced and sold
custom resin heavyweight car shells such as this. We had repro shells
for the combine, coach, and observation cars.....bot the LC series and
the KC series. We also had custom shells for a full baggage and an RPO
car. The latter two sold very well, and unfortunately we have none left.
We do still have some combine and observation shells on hand. (I believe
they are listed on our website, in the "USED AF" inventory.) We had
planned to continue offering these shells, as well as frames, but the
outfit that cast these for us closed, and we lost the molds.



<<<Not sure what the origin of the baggage cars shown in the eBay
listings is, but they clearly aren't restorations of original 951 cars
(at least not without a lot of kit-bashing). Am I wrong?>>



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Port Lines Hobby Supply
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61098 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/31/2010
Subject: Re: 951 heavyweight?
Rich,
     Don't forget, we can make the white decals for you.
Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc

--- On Sat, 7/31/10, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote:


From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 951 heavyweight?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 11:33 AM


 





Rich,

I purchased two of these shells at York a few years ago. One had been painted in heavyweight red and the other green. No lettering or running gear, just the shells. There are no markings on the inside and they don't appear to have been kit bashed. They certainly weren't made from two combo shells as the doors are not in the same place. I was told that someone had made molds for these cars and produced a limited number, but didn't know who that "someone" was. The two on ebay are the only ones I have seen other than the two I have. Mine still have no lettering or numbers on them since I haven't found a way to make white letter decals. I plan on giving mine the number 950, a number Gilbert didn't use and name them MT. RUSHMORE. However GREAT LAKES is a good name also. Hopefully someone else in this group can tell us who made these shells. I too, would like to know.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> There are some current postings on eBay for "restored" Gilbert heavyweight passenger cars, including two listings for 951 'heavyweight' baggage cars (not the combo cars). The red version is at 380253697818 -- green at -25. The red version in particular looks like a nice "restoration" job, but I don't believe that Gilbert ever produced a heavyweight baggage car. The 951 cars they produced were, in fact, baggage cars but were the "New Haven" style - i.e., the same body shape as the 650, 655, 955 passenger cars.
>
> Not sure what the origin of the baggage cars shown in the eBay listings is, but they clearly aren't restorations of original 951 cars (at least not without a lot of kit-bashing). Am I wrong?
>
> - Rich
>
> ps Doyle's book shows pictures of the 951 as New Haven style cars (p. 149) and Bob Graves Upstairs Trains website shows pictures of 951 baggage cars that are also New Haven style.
>











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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/1/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61100 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/1/2010
Subject: Re: This week at SHS...
This week at SHS�



Mike and I have returned from this years NASG National Convention held
in Minneapolis/Duluth. What a GREAT time. There were some really
great layout and prototype tours. Meeting old friends and making new
is part of our fun. I am sorry for all of those who missed this
wonderful annual event.

Letter from Kader Industries�.

On June 14th, we received a letter from the parent company of Sanda
Kan, our builder in Hong Kong. The CEO, Ivan Ting, explained that
Sanda Kan was reorganizing and that they would not be accepting new
purchase orders, but all existing purchase orders would be filled. As
you could imagine, this was an unexpected shock to all of us. A few
phone calls later, we discovered that 59 other clients had also
received this letter and only 20 accounts were to be kept. We are now
exploring other possibilities and trying to determine exactly when our
new fishbelly hoppers will be completed.

Next container in port�.

The shipment from our builder arrived in port on Friday with our new
reefers and rebuilt boxcars. A new unannounced roadname of rebuilt
boxcar is included, the Southern Pacific. These were first offered
for the 2010 S West. We will have #2 thru #4 with this shipment. We
still have Nickel Plate Road boxcars. The SAL, GN boxcars as well as
the Baby Ruth reefers were announced as sold out, but one of our
dealers has gone out of business so we have a very few left. The
boxcars can be ordered at:



http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html



The Baby Ruth reefers can be ordered at:



http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html



Also in this shipment we will be getting #00670 5� uncoupler, #00258
10� and #00257 15� straight track, Andrews and PRR 2D-F8 trucks.



We now have in stock a shipment of 1/64th scale (item #32305) Great
Northern Railway Motor Freight White/Freightliner COE Tractor w/
replica 40� Refrigerated Trailer. These sold well at the convention
and are quite colorful. To learn more about them check our home page
at:



http://www.showcaseline.com/



Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61101 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/1/2010
Subject: NASG 2011 Convention in "S"acramento
Gents...

Looking ahead to next year's convention, I'd like to encourage you all to
inspect the offerings on our web site:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

We are offering TWO brand new AF-compatible convention cars which might
interest you -- not to mention a custom load as well. No repaints for 2011.
Photos and ordering information can be seen on this web site page:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#convcar

Notice there are both kits and ready-to-run cars being offered. The
manufacturer, located in Illinois, has stated delivery will be in time for
your enjoyment this coming Christmas. Hopefully he will be on schedule with
this promise.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to email me at:

Loizeaux@...

See you in "S"acto...Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61102 From: phil_dunlop2002 Date: 8/1/2010
Subject: American Models GP-9 transformed........
Hi All;

For those that may be interested in either creating an inexpensive GP short hood in S, or converting AM to dcc, or both, I thought I would provide some photos and a video.

The project resulted from my desire to capture the sound of a 16-567. Turned out to be a 16-645C, I was about 5 years too late for the 567, sigh. Anyway, it took a year to gain permission to make the recording, and then I had to have something realistic to put it in. American Models has a very nice GP-9 full hood, and it was reasonably easy to convert to short hood, trying to match the paint to the prototype was hard, and I ended up too gray on the middle part, and decals are a PAIN! But in the end, I thought you may like to look at it, both in video and in pics. I just posted the conversion pics in the photo albums here (first pic is prototype), and here is a link to a video clip of the prototype, #2199, Grapevine Vintage Railroad, along with my resulting model, both in sound and in appearance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85u5-u0oPCQ

I absolutely positively guarantee you cannot do this with Soundtraxx DCC, this sound project comes from the prototype, and LokSound provides the ability for it to be heard.

cheers
p

ps - 16-645C is a field conversion of 16-567B/C, it was accomplished on #2199 (my prototype) in spring 2005 when 2199 was refurbished.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61104 From: s-nut Date: 8/2/2010
Subject: Re: American Models GP-9 transformed........
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

Dear Phil,

Great Job. Now I would like for you to come by my club and show what can be done. Just kidding. We are in the midst of making a new section for our club layout. We should have it done by the Fort Worth Train show.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "phil_dunlop2002" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All;
>
> For those that may be interested in either creating an inexpensive GP short hood in S, or converting AM to dcc, or both, I thought I would provide some photos and a video.
>
> The project resulted from my desire to capture the sound of a 16-567. Turned out to be a 16-645C, I was about 5 years too late for the 567, sigh. Anyway, it took a year to gain permission to make the recording, and then I had to have something realistic to put it in. American Models has a very nice GP-9 full hood, and it was reasonably easy to convert to short hood, trying to match the paint to the prototype was hard, and I ended up too gray on the middle part, and decals are a PAIN! But in the end, I thought you may like to look at it, both in video and in pics. I just posted the conversion pics in the photo albums here (first pic is prototype), and here is a link to a video clip of the prototype, #2199, Grapevine Vintage Railroad, along with my resulting model, both in sound and in appearance.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85u5-u0oPCQ
>
> I absolutely positively guarantee you cannot do this with Soundtraxx DCC, this sound project comes from the prototype, and LokSound provides the ability for it to be heard.
>
> cheers
> p
>
> ps - 16-645C is a field conversion of 16-567B/C, it was accomplished on #2199 (my prototype) in spring 2005 when 2199 was refurbished.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61105 From: Mellon, Jay Date: 8/2/2010
Subject: Report of 2010 NASG Convention in Duluth, MN
All,

Here is my report of my experiences at the recent NASG convention in
Duluth. The usual caveats apply (not all inclusive).

Vendors/Exhibitors
Alan Evans - The NASG "modular" factory kit is still available. Banta
Models has discontinued production of this kit. If you want one, better
act fast (15 or so left).
Car Supply - Bob McCarthy had examples of the new streamline passenger
car kits and was taking orders. He also had "2-foot" kits of freight
cars, I received my own personal "clinic" from Bob on kit building
techniques for the streamline passenger cars.
Hoquat Hobbies - Jeff Wilson had a large selection of SHS/SSA cars and
1/64th scale vehicles.
Jeff Madden - Had his usual selection of 1/64th scale vehicles.
MLW Services - Andy Mallette had his Canadian prototype passenger car
kits, as well as his "famous" Pacific steam engine model on display.
NASG Clearinghouse - Roy Meissner had the new hats and shirts, as well
as frig magnets and coupler/track gauges. He also had his own truck
(vehicle) kits.
2011 NMRA/NASG - "Uncle" Ed Loizeaux was promoting next year's
convention, as well as taking orders for the convention cars (SP
gondolas).
Pine Canyon Models - They are back into production. The "Main Street"
structure kits and new versions of the Back Alley kits were available.
PPSSW - Steve Doyle and Ken Zieska had some excess inventory they were
selling.
River Raisin Models - Dan Navarre had all those gorgeous SP steam engine
models on display (2-10-2, Mike, Mountains). He was starting to sound
like an Espee modeler. He was also taking reservations for the new
0-6-0 (multiple road names) steam project. Let's hope this one does
better then the N&W J project.
Scenery Unlimited - Don had his usual display of books, kits, and other
S stuff.
SHS - Good to see Don, Mike and John again (Robin couldn't make it).
They had a reduced presence at this convention (no layout). I wish them
good fortune in locating a new builder.
Southwind Models - Jettie Padgett continued to sell off his S brass
inventory.

There were also two vendors who had a good selection of AF inventory,
but there seemed to be a low level of AF activity at this convention.
In general, there was a reduced presence of S vendors at this S
convention. Michigan Models, PortLines Hobbies, American Models, BTS,
and DesPlaines Hobbies were all absent. And the vendors there were less
than happy about the lack of visitors present during rail tours. I am
sure BOT (and convention planners) has addressed this issue before, but
closing the vendor room during the day to allow vendors to join us on
tours, with the vendor room open before/after tours, would seem an
equitable solution to this problem.

Layout Tours
I was able to view most of the available layouts in Minneapolis/St. Paul
on the Monday thru Wednesday before journeying to Duluth. There was a
nice selection of scale/hirail layouts available for visiting. Ken
Zieska continues to make progress on his layout. And where were those
live 12" to the foot trains in your "backyard" that you have been
promising us for months? :-) Jim Malone is an O scaler who has done
some nice adaptations of different O-scale structures for his S-scale
layout. Need any taxidermy done? He's the guy. But, if you are in the
area, don't miss Steve Doyle's layout. It is "fantoostic"! Nice work,
Steve. And I would be remiss if I didn't thank both Ken Zieska and
Steve Doyle (as well as ALL those who helped) for the great evening
get-togethers they hosted for us layout tourists. That evening at the
Doyles' abode was perfect...S trains and brewskies. You had me pining
for my sailing days, too.

Welcome Reception
This was quite the Doux (translation: event) at the Lake Superior RR
Museum. Lots of full size railroad displays to enjoy. Good food with
good fellowship. We even got to ride on their historic trolley to
listen to Dave Peterson give us a tour of their operational 4-6-2
Pacific steam engine (ex Soo Line). As an added bonus, Dave had
recently acquired one of the late Henry Sprague's S live steam engine
models (4-6-2) and had it on display. I have read about these
remarkable models, but have never seen one. I also enjoyed the
passenger car china display (they wouldn't miss the MoPac setting, would
they?).

Clinics
I caught some of the clinics. Bob McCarthy did an overview of the
streamline passenger car line that he and Bob Hogan have developed. Roy
Meissner gave us the "lowdown" on some of his favorite truck (vehicle)
models. Jamie Bothwell presided over a composite presentation by
several modelers on their passenger car efforts. It is amazing what can
be accomplished with some information and basic materials. Rusty
Westermeier gave us a history lesson on S-scale rolling stock (freight/
passenger) kits. I eat this stuff up. Jeff English gave a very
thorough presentation on freight rolling stock of the "Transition
Period" (NYC box cars, Part Deux). Bob Werre emphasized the importance
of utilizing "raw" files in your digital model photography. Finally,
Tony Koester (Editor, Model Railroad Planning) gave us a delightful and
very useful presentation on layout planning.

Rail Tours
I missed the mine tour. The Duluth industrial tour was fun and very
informative. And to think the 'William A. Irvin" is a SMALL ore boat by
today's standards. The taconite and coal transfer facilities were both
impressive. I have read about rotary coal dumpers, but had never seen a
full size one in operation. Very interestink! (Apologies to Arte
Johnson). The train ride to Two Harbors was a relaxing, fun trip.
Lunch in a local diner was enjoyable, as well.

Other 'S'tuff
This year's General Business Meeting included an extended discussion
regarding the tremendous financial loss suffered at the 2009 NASG
convention in St. Louis. This debacle has resulted in some revisions
being instituted for convention planning by the NASG. The banquet was
another Delightful Doux. Andy Mallette and Dave Heine serenaded us
again at this year's banquet "Happy Hour". Food and company were great.
Ed Loizeaux made an entertaining "pitch" for the 2011 joint NMRA/ NASG
convention in Sacramento, CA. I think Ed has a future as a "snake oil"
salesman. :-) Tony Koester is definitely an excellent public speaker
and a great spokesman for the hobby of model railroading. He gave us
some of his thoughts on S scale's place in the overall hobby and how we
can enhance it. I am sure the NASG awards and model contest awards will
be covered elsewhere.

I got "skunked" in the silent auction this year. And, as usual, Jamie
kept us "in stitches" during the live auction (post-banquet). For those
who missed out last year, Jamie came up with additional "S scale
zombies" for the bidding. Price of the convention...about 60 bucks.
The look on Andy Mallette's face as Jeff English aggressively bid on and
won an AF caboose...Priceless! This is the reason I attend NASG
conventions.

Well, another convention is in the books. The Pines and Prairies
S-Scale Workshop folks deserve our thanks and congratulations on putting
together this convention in Duluth. I had a great time! Isn't that
what it is all about?

Jay Mellon
New Orleans, LA



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61106 From: phil_dunlop2002 Date: 8/2/2010
Subject: Re: American Models GP-9 transformed........
Alan;

For sure, I'd love to drop by your club any time, always happy to share info, and most especially champion dcc and sound. I'm just up the street in Hurst. drop me an email....

cheers
p


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s-nut" <adlbert1950@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Lone Star Flyer Club
> Arlington, Texas
>
> Dear Phil,
>
> Great Job. Now I would like for you to come by my club and show what can be done. Just kidding. We are in the midst of making a new section for our club layout. We should have it done by the Fort Worth Train show.
> Thanks,
> Alan Lambert
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "phil_dunlop2002" <pndunlop@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All;
> >
> > For those that may be interested in either creating an inexpensive GP short hood in S, or converting AM to dcc, or both, I thought I would provide some photos and a video.
> >
> > The project resulted from my desire to capture the sound of a 16-567. Turned out to be a 16-645C, I was about 5 years too late for the 567, sigh. Anyway, it took a year to gain permission to make the recording, and then I had to have something realistic to put it in. American Models has a very nice GP-9 full hood, and it was reasonably easy to convert to short hood, trying to match the paint to the prototype was hard, and I ended up too gray on the middle part, and decals are a PAIN! But in the end, I thought you may like to look at it, both in video and in pics. I just posted the conversion pics in the photo albums here (first pic is prototype), and here is a link to a video clip of the prototype, #2199, Grapevine Vintage Railroad, along with my resulting model, both in sound and in appearance.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85u5-u0oPCQ
> >
> > I absolutely positively guarantee you cannot do this with Soundtraxx DCC, this sound project comes from the prototype, and LokSound provides the ability for it to be heard.
> >
> > cheers
> > p
> >
> > ps - 16-645C is a field conversion of 16-567B/C, it was accomplished on #2199 (my prototype) in spring 2005 when 2199 was refurbished.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61107 From: Bob C Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival (CA) - S Scale Layouts Needed For To
If you have an operating S scale layout in the area around San Luis Obispo (from Paso Robles to Santa Maria) this is the final call to add your layout to Layout Tour #21.

Tour #21 is part of the Central Coast Railroad Festival in San Luis Obispo on October 7-11.

If you have a layout and may be interested in participating in the layout tour or have any questions before committing to the tour, please contact me in the next week or so. If you know of a layout owner who may be interested, also please contact me or pass this message on to them.

Contact me OFF LIST at:

thecitrusbelt@...

Festival Website: www.ccrrf.com

Layout Tour #22 will be in the area from Upland to San Bernardino on November 20, 2010.

Layout Tour #23 will cover most of Los Angeles, Orange and Ventura Counties on February 17-20, 2011, as part of the Twenty-Sixth Annual Sn3 Symposium being held in Monrovia, CA.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Model Railroads Of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
Group: S-Trains Message: 61108 From: willhhj Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
Here is the latest news about the Fall S Fest 2010, scheduled for October 22-23, 2010 in the south Chicago suburb of Tinley Park, Illinois and being hosted by the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers. The preparations for the 35th Anniversary of the event are moving along rapidly.

Registrations are still running better than 10% ahead of 2006, the last time the Fest was in the Chicago area. That would translate to more than 600 registrations with more that 1,000 in attendance. Both of the Fall S Fest Cars are over ¨ø¡¯s sold.

Tables for the event are more than 70% sold with more than half of the manufacturer¡¯s booths sold as well. Besides the more than 40 individual traders already booking tables, dealers signed on for the event include American Flyer Trains.com, Gary Clark, John Heck, Hoquat Hobbies, Michigan Models, Port Lines Hobby Supplies, Royal Train Equipment, Scenery Unlimited, and John and Robin Vanacore. Manufacturers in attendance will include American Models, Dave Balts, Des Plaines Hobbies, Goldin Hands, Great Decals, Hoquat Hobbies, Iron Rail Models (featuring the return of the modern tank car lines once produced by Down Model Railroad Company), Lehigh Valley Models, Port Lines Hobby Supplies, Rail Cam, River Raisin Models, Scenery Unlimited and S Helper Service with others expect to register within the near future.

Will Holt
Group: S-Trains Message: 61109 From: sgaugian Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: Legacy v1.3 updates
In case you use Legacy and are registered with Lionel, v1.3 update
modules have shipped and are arriving at homes - - free from Lionel.
Mine were delivered yesterday. There is definitely better command base
to CAB2 signal strength and dependability. I was happy to put away the
Hawking antenna I had been using as it is no longer necessary. There
are also some operational enhancements (e.g. smoother than ever throttle
control, better quillable whistle control, finer Train Brake increments,
a separately addressed engine labor control, enhanced lash-up icons,
etc.) as well as others (e.g. Legacy sound and operating car contols) we
in S cannot yet fully take advantage of, but maybe some day. I'm glad
they released this update. Lionel is listening. It just takes awhile
sometimes for improvements/changes to arrive.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61110 From: Scott Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: American Flyer Exhibit in Florida
I would like to invite all those who would like to attend to the "Model Railroads as Art: A Three Dimensional Thematic Exhibit" in St Petersburg, Florida. There will be two HO exhibits and one S exhibit. Come see the "Liberty Wagon", which is a patriotic display, sculpted in various media, surrounded by trains and accompanied by "Thomas the Tank" and friends. "The Battle of Gettysburg" depicts the three day, two mile long battle in a 4x8 display with two HO chasing each other on one loop. Finally, "The Fun and Disasters" American Flyer Display expresses the trials, tribulations, and triumphs of modern man featuring a combination of vintage and new American Flyer. Got an S Gauge train to run? All are welcome to bring a train to run on our 12x32 foot layout, transformers provided. All the displays have been built by Barry Laderer, Rick Moock, and Vern Schwieterman and will be on hand to answer questions. The Event information is as follows.

Dates and Times
August 12 and 13 - 9:00 AM till 6:00 PM
August 14 - 10:00 AM till 5:00 PM
August 15 - 1:00 PM till 4:00 PM

Location
Seminole Community Library at St. Petersburg College, Seminole Campus
9200 113th Street Seminole, Florida 33772

Contact Information
Library Phone - 727-394-6905
Library Website - www.spcollege.edu
My Email - millesco@...

Thanks. Any questions, feel free to email me. Look forward to meeting all who attend.

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 61111 From: SMMW Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: Upcoming 44-ton GE with AF compatible wheelsets?
I am looking into producing the upcoming Phase Ia and IVb GE 44-tonner kits
with AF-compatible wheelsets. The geartowers are from Athearn GP38/F7
mechanisms, the same ones I successfully adapted to fit the 70-tonner
brought out last year, so adapting custom-machined steel wheelsets to fit
the plastic "tube" axle will be no problem. I just need enough interest to
justify ordering a custom machining run.



If you want to order either or both versions with hi-rail wheelsets at $345
retail (+$10 shipping per order in the Lower 48), please contact me
off-list. Reservations must be followed up with payment in full within 15
days to guarantee delivery. Kadee 802 couplers will be used. Power will be
DC only but can be converted to AC or DCC (not by me).



Design has already begun; I'm hoping to have both versions in production by
late November.



(Orders for scale wheel versions are also still being accepted; $325 retail
+$10 shipping per order as above).



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61112 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/4/2010
Subject: Cheap art for the train room
Perhaps I'm the last one to discover this..

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/740109554


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61113 From: zemouse2001 Date: 8/4/2010
Subject: Re: FALL S FEST 2010
Well, this is happy news for this newbie S-Gauge guy! Saw the update and noticed it is the same weekend that my wife has a teddy bear show in Chicago. Ah, ha! She likes trains too so we are planning on going to the S-Fest on Friday and then taking care of the teddy bear show on Saturday. And squeezing in a visit to some relatives some where along the line. Oh, boy - a chance to see a LOT of S-gauge!

Bob Groh
Kansas City, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 61114 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/5/2010
Subject: Bill Drake
Bill Drake.

I lost your email address due to a new computer.

Could you email me as I have some news for you on your milk bottle.

Thanks for letting me post this to get a hold of Bill.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61115 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 8/6/2010
Subject: Late Dispatches
Ahhh, found out what has been delaying some June NASG Dispatches. I had my
advance copies way before the convention in July. I still haven't received
my mailed copy.

Found out that label printing at the printers went haywire on some cutting
off city and state part. Kind of unusual. Sounds like a setup problem. No
fault to our data base guy or pre-press guy - just a machine malfunction.

Just to let you know.
Jeff Madden, Dispatch Editor


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61116 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/6/2010
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers at last weekend's San Diego train show
https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/july-2010-poway-station-train-show




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61117 From: Bill Drake Date: 8/6/2010
Subject: Re: Bill Drake
Hi Mike -
 
email is ee_train@...
 
looking forward to the news.
 
thanks for the effort
 
Bill
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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Drake
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 2:35 PM


 



Bill Drake.

I lost your email address due to a new computer.

Could you email me as I have some news for you on your milk bottle.

Thanks for letting me post this to get a hold of Bill.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61118 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Well ..... I've been missing you all .....
...and didn't even know it! I just realized tonight that I haven't been receiving
emails from the group, so I sent one ... it bounced back saying emails from Yahoo have been
bouncing from me.
So, Let's see if it works now.

Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 61119 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers at last weekend's San Diego train show
Great photos and video

Brady Burdge


>
> Robert Graves wrote:
>>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/july-2010-poway-station-train-show
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61120 From: Rance and Bente Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: emails
Have any emails been sent by s-trains in the last few days? I haven't
gotten any, but am getting S-scale stuff. which switch has been shut
off on my computer???
tx
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 61121 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Gnu News.....
Gents...

In case you are contemplating the "S"acramento, California NASG annual
convention next year, I'd like to add a few more tidbits of information as
follows:

1. The Train Collectors Association (TCA) is having their annual convention
in Sacramento just one week ahead of the NASG/NMRA convention. This is a
very unusual set of circumstances that will enable you to attend the TCA
convention, the NASG convention, the NMRA convention and the National Train
Show all in one trip to Sacramento. The stars have aligned for more train
stuff in one place at the same time then you ever could have imagined.

2. The California State Railroad Museum has an extensive collection of
genuine A.C.Gilbert American Flyer trains on display.

3. The NASG/NMRA "early bird" registration rate of $99 will expire on
September 1, 2010. It will be replaced with a higher rate at that time.
Last year's NMRA convention in Hartford, Connecticut cost $175 to register.
The new Sacramento registration rate is being formulated at this time. If
you are thinking of going to Sacramento, it would be good to send in your
check now to insure the special early bird rate. If you change your mind
later, a full refund is possible. BE SURE to check the NASG box on the
registration form. Otherwise, our trustworthy computer will not know you
are an S gauger and you will not have early reservation opportunities for
S-oriented events. It is not necessary to be an NASG member to check this
box.

Please click here for more detailed information. Download the registration
form and mail it in before September 1st for the best registration rate
possible.

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

"S"incerely....

Ed Loizeaux, Chairman
NASG 2011 Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 61122 From: s-nut Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: Late Dispatches
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

Dear Jeff,
Just wanted to know if I will get my copy or do I need to fill out a subscription to continue to get itPlease let me know.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> wrote:
>
> Ahhh, found out what has been delaying some June NASG Dispatches. I had my
> advance copies way before the convention in July. I still haven't received
> my mailed copy.
>
> Found out that label printing at the printers went haywire on some cutting
> off city and state part. Kind of unusual. Sounds like a setup problem. No
> fault to our data base guy or pre-press guy - just a machine malfunction.
>
> Just to let you know.
> Jeff Madden, Dispatch Editor
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61123 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: Well ..... I've been missing you all .....
Got your e-mail Rick.  I also wondered if S-Trains stopped sending.  I did not
receive for several days.  Have a good weekend.

Bob




________________________________
From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 12:46:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Well ..... I've been missing you all .....

 
...and didn't even know it! I just realized tonight that I haven't been
receiving
emails from the group, so I sent one ... it bounced back saying emails from
Yahoo have been
bouncing from me.
So, Let's see if it works now.

Rick






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61124 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: emails from S-trains
I just got your post Rance..... it's working.
I had to go to Yahoo and re-sent.
I wasn't getting emails from ANY of my Yahoo groups.
Maybe for a couple of months now ...... I just didn't figure it out until last night!

Rick


On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Rance and Bente wrote:

> Have any emails been sent by s-trains in the last few days? I haven't
> gotten any, but am getting S-scale stuff. which switch has been shut
> off on my computer???
> tx
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61125 From: George Cohn Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: emails from S-trains
On 8/7/2010 9:38 AM, Rick Evans wrote:
>
>
> I just got your post Rance..... it's working.
> I had to go to Yahoo and re-sent.
> I wasn't getting emails from ANY of my Yahoo groups.
> Maybe for a couple of months now ...... I just didn't figure it out
> until last night!

What sometimes happens is that an ISP gets on a RBL or blacklist as one
of their users is sending out spam. Then Yahoo blocks the entire ISP
until someone complains.

Yahoo seems to be the worst with this policy but I've seen it from AOL
and others as well.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61126 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: New Website - American Flyer Displays
Several months ago, I started a website devoted to Gilbert HO. Well,
I'm back at it again. This time I decided to tackle another area of
Gilbert history that has always interested me, which is the history of
the great American Flyer display layouts. The new website is
www.americanflyerdisplays.org . Like my other site, it is pretty much
focused on the single subject indicated by its url. Like my first
site, it is also not an ad supported site, so you won't see any banner
ads, only the information of the website.

I am greatly indebted to several people who helped me put this site
together. Chuck Harrington, who gave me permission to use images
clipped from display catalogs on myflyertrains.org and Bob Giardina, who
similarly granted me permission to use catalog illustrations from
rfgco.com. I also want to thank Clay and Charlie Buckage, who provided
me with information on the Sibley department store layout they have
restored, as well as a photo of the FAO Schwarz 1949 store layout.
Clay and Charlie also provided me with the most fantastic photos of 2nd
floor Hall of Science Layout I have ever seen. Your visit to the
website will be well worth it if you only look at these photos, which
are under the heading of "The Buckage Collection." Finally, I want to
thank my friend, Daryl Olszeski, who reviewed the website as it
progressed and gave me feedback and suggestions.

I have tried not to duplicate anything that is available elsewhere on
the web and have simply provided direct links to other related
information on other S websites.

While the website as it exists today is the product of several months of
research, it is, and probably always will be, a work in progress. I am
hoping that what is there now will inspire the rest of you to contribute
what you can to the website to increase everyone's knowledge. Whether
it be photos, or simply your memories of the store and other display
layouts you remember, your contribution would be greatly appreciated.
I have set up a special email address for information related to the
website, which is americanflyerdisplays@... Please contact me if
you wish to contribute.

With that said, I hope you will visit the website and have a good time.

Dale Smith

www.americanflyerdisplays.org
www.gilbertho.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 61127 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 7252
In a message dated 8/7/2010 4:02:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes:

August 6 in railroad history - Northumberland PA

PRR's Northumberland Roundhouse is also where the PRR stored their
"Historical Collection". One of the very few railroads to do so, the PRR placed
into storage many of the locomotives they built, designed, ran, as the life of
the locomotives came to an end. Individual locomotives ( Class
representative ) were frequently rebuilt to "as new" condition, before entering storage
in Northumberland. MOST of the PRR Historical Collection (not all,
unfortunately) is now in the care of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in
Strasburg, PA, one of the FOREMOST transportation museums in the world. RRMPA is
one of the many rail attractions just a short distance from TCA's NTTM.

Jim "minutes away on the Keystone Main" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61128 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Gilbert 910 and other tank cars for sale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.







625 silver Shell tank car with two good
1946 no-weight couplers with patent numbers. Has all four steps and
all handrail nibs. Most lettering is excellent but there is a
scratch through the big S on one side. Quite dirty. $10



625 silver Shell tank car with two good
black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps.
Lettering is excellent. Clean. VG $17



625 silver Shell tank car with two good
black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps.
Lettering is excellent. Clean. Small paint splotch on tank and
another on frame. Otherwise strong VG $15



625 silver Shell tank car with two good
gold weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps. Clean.
Lettering is excellent. Ex- $22



625 silver Shell tank car with two good
gold weight couplers and all four steps. Lettering is excellent.
Quite dirty and has a couple of scratches. One handrail nib set is
missing. $8



625G Gulf tank car on diecast frame
converted to knuckle couplers; one works well but the other is frozen
in the closed position.  Lettering is perfect. Some white paint
on top of dome.  One Gulf sticker has a little flake missing
above the U and the other has a big chunk out of the F and right
side.  Both are only slightly aged. No broken handrail nibs. 
Rusty handrails, trucks, axles, and coupler weights. One missing
wheelset. $4



910 Gilbert Chemicals tank car on
diecast frame. All four steps in place. Both knuckle couplers work
fine. No broken handrail nibs. Scattered small nicks in body and
frame paint. Like so many of these cars, there is paint wear around
the rim of the ends where the different color green of the undercoat
shows through. VG- $175



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame with
all four steps, brake wheel, and markers. Both Gulf stickers
complete but darkened with age. A couple of small scratches in the
tank paint. Everything is in great shape. This one is very clean.
Both knuckle couplers work fine. No broken handrail nibs. Ex- $30



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame.
Both Gulf stickers complete but aged. Has brake wheel and both
diamond markers. Spot of red paint on top. Scattered scratches and
discoloration in the tank paint. No broken steps. One knuckle
coupler has a broken spring.  No broken handrail nibs. VG-
$20

925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame. Gulf stickers are
complete but aged. Three broken steps and missing brake wheel;
everything else in great shape. This one is only a little dirty. Both
knuckle couplers work fine.  No broken handrail nibs. $8



925 Gulf tank car on diecast frame. Has
all four steps and all handrail nibs. Both couplers work. One Gulf
sticker has a small ding; the other is half gone and has shifted out
of place. Some spots of paint loss on frame. Quite dirty. $7

926
3-dome Gullf tank car on diecast frame with all steps, two complete
Gulf stickers, lettering perfect except 3/4 of the top of the T in
GATX is scratched off on one side.  One coupler is broken. 
Ex-.  $38



24310 Gulf tank car very dirty.
Lettering is perfect.  One Gulf sticker perfect the other
slightly marred at the bottom. Plastic frame has three broken steps
and one complete step. Brake wheel and one triangle board are
present; the other is missing. There are no handrail nibs broken! The
hand rails are bent but not rusted. $3



24328 unpainted Shell tank car with
brake wheel and both diamond signs. One broken step, one broken
coupler, and one broken handrail nib. Otherwise Excellent. $7






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61129 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: Gilbert Flyer passenger cars for sale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.





Two 655 Silver Bullet coaches. These
are the frosted chrome version. One has three places where the
chrome has flaked off, but the other doesn't. Both have lots of
scratches and chrome rubbed off the high spots. Both Silver Bullet
stickers on both cars are complete and in remarkable condition
considering how badly scratched the chrome is. Neither has the paper
liner. These cars were made without illumination. On the weak side
of Good. $20 each



963 Green-Stripe Washington
Observation Car. VG $100.



Two
#24720 Frontiersman FY&PRR Coaches. VG $30 each






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61130 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61131 From: Brady Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: New Website - American Flyer Displays
Dale

Fantastic site, thank you for making it available.

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61132 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert Flyer passenger cars for sale
Hi Bob,
               I'll buy those two 655 coaches as long as theres not cracks or break in the shell.
Please email me the total with S&H and let me know what kind of payment you need.
seccia@....
                                  Thank You,
                                        Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 8/7/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Flyer passenger cars for sale
To: s-trains@..., "Sgauge Available" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 4:33 PM







 















I am helping several people sell their

collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book

values (adjusted for condition), but these

should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't

refuse! Please include your address so I can

calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.







Two 655 Silver Bullet coaches. These

are the frosted chrome version. One has three places where the

chrome has flaked off, but the other doesn't. Both have lots of

scratches and chrome rubbed off the high spots. Both Silver Bullet

stickers on both cars are complete and in remarkable condition

considering how badly scratched the chrome is. Neither has the paper

liner. These cars were made without illumination. On the weak side

of Good. $20 each



963 Green-Stripe Washington

Observation Car. VG $100.



Two

#24720 Frontiersman FY&PRR Coaches. VG $30 each



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61133 From: Rance and Bente Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: New Website - American Flyer Displays
Hi Dale:
Thanks for your effort and should be enjoyed by many. Interesting going
back in history! Good to see the 1948 years (when I got my first set).
rance velapoldi (tranby, Norway)

Dale Smith wrote:
>
>
> Several months ago, I started a website devoted to Gilbert HO. Well,
> I'm back at it again. This time I decided to tackle another area of
> Gilbert history that has always interested me, which is the history of
> the great American Flyer display layouts. The new website is
> www.americanflyerdisplays.org . Like my other site, it is pretty much
> focused on the single subject indicated by its url. Like my first
> site, it is also not an ad supported site, so you won't see any banner
> ads, only the information of the website.
>
> I am greatly indebted to several people who helped me put this site
> together. Chuck Harrington, who gave me permission to use images
> clipped from display catalogs on myflyertrains.org and Bob Giardina, who
> similarly granted me permission to use catalog illustrations from
> rfgco.com. I also want to thank Clay and Charlie Buckage, who provided
> me with information on the Sibley department store layout they have
> restored, as well as a photo of the FAO Schwarz 1949 store layout.
> Clay and Charlie also provided me with the most fantastic photos of 2nd
> floor Hall of Science Layout I have ever seen. Your visit to the
> website will be well worth it if you only look at these photos, which
> are under the heading of "The Buckage Collection." Finally, I want to
> thank my friend, Daryl Olszeski, who reviewed the website as it
> progressed and gave me feedback and suggestions.
>
> I have tried not to duplicate anything that is available elsewhere on
> the web and have simply provided direct links to other related
> information on other S websites.
>
> While the website as it exists today is the product of several months of
> research, it is, and probably always will be, a work in progress. I am
> hoping that what is there now will inspire the rest of you to contribute
> what you can to the website to increase everyone's knowledge. Whether
> it be photos, or simply your memories of the store and other display
> layouts you remember, your contribution would be greatly appreciated.
> I have set up a special email address for information related to the
> website, which is americanflyerdisplays@...
> <mailto:americanflyerdisplays%40att.net> Please contact me if
> you wish to contribute.
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61134 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: "S"acto....Walt's Questions Answered.....
Hello Walt....(and others with similar thoughts)...

Thanks for the questions. Answers are listed down below. But
first.......have you looked at the convention's web site? Click here for
answers to most of the questions you posed:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

Now getting to your questions one by one:

1. Question -- I noted on the "S"acto form a line where you have to supply
your NMRA
membership number and no line for a NASG number. Does this mean that
everyone who attends "S"acto must be a member of the NMRA (and pay the
relatively high annual membership costs the larger organization requires)?


1. Answer -- First of all, you do not "have to" provide your NMRA membership
number. Many of us do not have such a number and it is not required. The
space is there in case you are an NMRA member and wish to provide it. The
convention's web site states: "Registrants must be a member of any Extra
2011 West-affiliated participating group to register for this convention."
Since NASG is an official affiliated participating group, being a member of
NASG entitles you to register without any additional fees or costs. In
addition, it should be noted (just among us guys here), there are not any
membership requirements of any kind at all. I need to arrange for that
affiliated group statement on the web site to be removed. Thus, anyone can
register without being a member of anything. This is a "first" for the NMRA
and also is a "first" for the NASG. I am sorry if the web site statement is
misleading, but the policy on this matter has changed since the convention
organizing efforts got started and the web site has not yet been updated.

1. Answer (continued) -- The reason for the NASG space on the registration
form is explained on the convention's web site which states: "Be sure to
check the NASG box on the registration form in order to be entitled to early
reservation privileges for S events. If you fail to check the NASG box, our
trustworthy computer will not realize you are an S enthusiast. It is not
necessary to be an NASG member in order to check this box." There is no
room for an NASG membership number because it doesn't really matter if you
are an NASG member or not. The use of this box is solely for the purpose of
giving S guys an advance registration opportunity for the S-oriented events.


2. Question -- Also the usual inclusive Family registration of NASG National
Conventions
has been replaced by a spouse registration at relatively high cost and each
additional family member must be paid for separately.

2. Answer -- Please check the web site which states: "Also note that
non-registered spouses and children will be allowed to attend extra-cost
tours and banquets along with their full-fare registered rail enthusiast
upon payment of the additional tour or banquet fee. Advance purchase of
tickets for family members is highly recommended to avoid disappointment.
This policy for non-registered guests is subject to change without notice
depending on space availability and other factors." If a spouse is
registered separately, she will be entitled to attend a special spouse (aka
non-rail) luncheon which will be very nice indeed. There are also some
non-rail tours especially designed for wives of train guys. A tour to the
Jelly Belly factory will be of considerable interest to young children. If
the primary registrant (you) signs up for these tours and events, the rest
of your family can accompany you with only the tour fee being required. If
you do not sign up for the tour, then the spouse should be registered with a
spouse registration. If you want to send the kids off by themselves on a
tour, then at least one of the kids will need to be registered. In other
words, each event/tour will need at least one registrant who can then bring
along his immediate family members for the price of the tour only. Yes, I
realize it gets a bit confusing, but I'm doing my best here. This ain't
Kansas, Toto, it is Emerald City!

3. Question -- In addition to distance, this registration form seems to
preclude much of a decent S Scale
attendance at next year's convention?

3. Answer -- I am not sure exactly what the question is here. I will assume
you are talking about things being more expensive in "S"acramento than in
Duluth. If that is the case, let's look at a few figures and make some
comparisons. If you sign up with the special "early bird discount", the
registration fee of $99 entitles you to NINE FULL DAYS of convention
activities (July 1-9) as described on the convention's web site. Thus, for
only $11 per day you have access to over 200 clinics, dozens and dozens and
dozens of drive-yourself home layout visits, three days of the National
Train Show which will have over 125 manufacturer booths, 200+ sales booths
and numerous modular layouts in operation. All of the above is included in
your basic registration. The cost of $11 per day is very reasonable
compared to recent NASG conventions. In addition to the usual
convention-related activities, the California State Capitol complex is only
a few blocks away and offers some interesting low-cost tours. Maybe you
will see our Governor -- also known as THE TERMINATOR. The gold dome on the
Capitol building is a landmark in the area and the interior of the capitol
building was designed by WED Enterprises (Walter E. Disney Enterprises)
which explains why many of the locals refer to the inhabitants as the Mickey
Mouse Club. Sacramento also offers many museums, amusement parks, a gigantic
fireworks display (July 4th), and other stuff for very low fees. Yes, the
convention banquet and tours are extra cost events as always.

3. Answer (continued) -- With regard to the distance to "S"acramento, I can
only suggest that you and your wife both apply for a Citibank credit card
and earn enough frequent flyer miles for a free roundtrip ticket for each of
you on American Airlines. That is exactly what I did to attend Duluth
without any cost of travel at all. Actually, I shared a rental car with
Bill Winans and that cost me more than the flight to Minneapolis. Chase
bank and Southwest Airlines have a similar deal. So does American Express.
There is no need to pay one dime for any airplane ticket these days. Yes,
you do have to pay the taxes and a TSA security fee, but those are pretty
darn minimal.

3. Answer (continued) -- "S"acramento is not in the geographical center of
our nation. If I could move it, I would. But it is stuck in the ground
right where the famous Sacramento Locomotive Works is located. Southern
Pacific preferred to design and build many of their own steam locos and
these are the shops where it all happened. The backshop tour is
historically fascinating.

3. Answer (continued) -- California is a more expensive state than any of
the rural states. Sacramento is a "union town" in addition to being the
state capitol. Hotels will be a bit more expensive. So will the tours.
And the meals. We have everything from cheap fast food joints to exquisite
high-end French restaurants. Take your pick. I cannot change the economics
of the environment here, but I can say you will see some amazing railroad
stuff. No ore docks, but probably a tour to Tehatchapi Loop. My intent is
for the NASG banquet to be the most memorable banquet in all of NASG
history. This will be my going-away party since this is the last NASG
annual convention I will ever be coordinating. Plan on a few surprises!
The venue is right inside the roundhouse of the California State Railroad
Museum in between the locos and other displays. We have the primo spot in
the entire region reserved for just us on Saturday evening. Maximum seating
is 125 unless I pay extra to have locos moved out of the way. Save your
money and reserve your banquet seats early when the online shopping cart
goes live. It will not be cheap, but you won't forget it.

Walt, I hope this answers your questions. Ask more if you have them.
Looking forward to seeing you in "S"acto.

Ed Loizeaux


I noted on the "S"acto form a line where you have to supply your NMRA
membership number and no line for a NASG number. Does this mean that
everyone who attends "S"acto must be a member of the NMRA (and pay the
relatively high annual membership costs the larger organization requires)?
Even if one only wants to spend all of their time on S only activities?
Also the usual inclusive Family registration of NASG National Conventions
has been replaced by a spouse registration at relatively high cost and each
additional family member must be paid for separately. In addition to
distance, this registration form seems to preclude much of a decent S Scale
attendance at next year's convention?
Walt Jopke
Group: S-Trains Message: 61135 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: New Website - American Flyer Displays
DALE.... THANKS FOR A GREAT SITE.... ALONG WITH CHUCK'S...  THE HO MUCH INFO IS COMING OUT.... THANKS AGAIN..... SOMEDAY POST THE 1946 LAYOUT PICS THAT **** IS BUILDING.....BOB CONNER

--- On Sat, 8/7/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:


From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] New Website - American Flyer Displays
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 3:51 PM


 



Several months ago, I started a website devoted to Gilbert HO. Well,
I'm back at it again. This time I decided to tackle another area of
Gilbert history that has always interested me, which is the history of
the great American Flyer display layouts. The new website is
www.americanflyerdisplays.org . Like my other site, it is pretty much
focused on the single subject indicated by its url. Like my first
site, it is also not an ad supported site, so you won't see any banner
ads, only the information of the website.

I am greatly indebted to several people who helped me put this site
together. Chuck Harrington, who gave me permission to use images
clipped from display catalogs on myflyertrains.org and Bob Giardina, who
similarly granted me permission to use catalog illustrations from
rfgco.com. I also want to thank Clay and Charlie Buckage, who provided
me with information on the Sibley department store layout they have
restored, as well as a photo of the FAO Schwarz 1949 store layout.
Clay and Charlie also provided me with the most fantastic photos of 2nd
floor Hall of Science Layout I have ever seen. Your visit to the
website will be well worth it if you only look at these photos, which
are under the heading of "The Buckage Collection." Finally, I want to
thank my friend, Daryl Olszeski, who reviewed the website as it
progressed and gave me feedback and suggestions.

I have tried not to duplicate anything that is available elsewhere on
the web and have simply provided direct links to other related
information on other S websites.

While the website as it exists today is the product of several months of
research, it is, and probably always will be, a work in progress. I am
hoping that what is there now will inspire the rest of you to contribute
what you can to the website to increase everyone's knowledge. Whether
it be photos, or simply your memories of the store and other display
layouts you remember, your contribution would be greatly appreciated.
I have set up a special email address for information related to the
website, which is americanflyerdisplays@... Please contact me if
you wish to contribute.

With that said, I hope you will visit the website and have a good time.

Dale Smith

www.americanflyerdisplays.org
www.gilbertho.org








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61136 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 910 and other tank cars for sale
Hi Bob,
                     I like to buy the following;  625 -1946 $10, 625 Shell $8, 625G $4, 925 Gulf $8, 925 Gulf $7 and 24310 Gulf $3.  Please email me the total seccia@....
                                                           Tom Seccia

--- On Sat, 8/7/10, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert 910 and other tank cars for sale
To: s-trains@..., "Sgauge Available" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 5:43 PM







 















I am helping several people sell their

collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book

values (adjusted for condition), but these

should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't

refuse! Please include your address so I can

calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.







625 silver Shell tank car with two good

1946 no-weight couplers with patent numbers. Has all four steps and

all handrail nibs. Most lettering is excellent but there is a

scratch through the big S on one side. Quite dirty. $10



625 silver Shell tank car with two good

black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps.

Lettering is excellent. Clean. VG $17



625 silver Shell tank car with two good

black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps.

Lettering is excellent. Clean. Small paint splotch on tank and

another on frame. Otherwise strong VG $15



625 silver Shell tank car with two good

gold weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps. Clean.

Lettering is excellent. Ex- $22



625 silver Shell tank car with two good

gold weight couplers and all four steps. Lettering is excellent.

Quite dirty and has a couple of scratches. One handrail nib set is

missing. $8



625G Gulf tank car on diecast frame

converted to knuckle couplers; one works well but the other is frozen

in the closed position. Lettering is perfect. Some white paint

on top of dome. One Gulf sticker has a little flake missing

above the U and the other has a big chunk out of the F and right

side. Both are only slightly aged. No broken handrail nibs.

Rusty handrails, trucks, axles, and coupler weights. One missing

wheelset. $4



910 Gilbert Chemicals tank car on

diecast frame. All four steps in place. Both knuckle couplers work

fine. No broken handrail nibs. Scattered small nicks in body and

frame paint. Like so many of these cars, there is paint wear around

the rim of the ends where the different color green of the undercoat

shows through. VG- $175



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame with

all four steps, brake wheel, and markers. Both Gulf stickers

complete but darkened with age. A couple of small scratches in the

tank paint. Everything is in great shape. This one is very clean.

Both knuckle couplers work fine. No broken handrail nibs. Ex- $30



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame.

Both Gulf stickers complete but aged. Has brake wheel and both

diamond markers. Spot of red paint on top. Scattered scratches and

discoloration in the tank paint. No broken steps. One knuckle

coupler has a broken spring. No broken handrail nibs. VG-

$20



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame. Gulf stickers are

complete but aged. Three broken steps and missing brake wheel;

everything else in great shape. This one is only a little dirty. Both

knuckle couplers work fine. No broken handrail nibs. $8



925 Gulf tank car on diecast frame. Has

all four steps and all handrail nibs. Both couplers work. One Gulf

sticker has a small ding; the other is half gone and has shifted out

of place. Some spots of paint loss on frame. Quite dirty. $7



926

3-dome Gullf tank car on diecast frame with all steps, two complete

Gulf stickers, lettering perfect except 3/4 of the top of the T in

GATX is scratched off on one side. One coupler is broken.

Ex-. $38



24310 Gulf tank car very dirty.

Lettering is perfect. One Gulf sticker perfect the other

slightly marred at the bottom. Plastic frame has three broken steps

and one complete step. Brake wheel and one triangle board are

present; the other is missing. There are no handrail nibs broken! The

hand rails are bent but not rusted. $3



24328 unpainted Shell tank car with

brake wheel and both diamond signs. One broken step, one broken

coupler, and one broken handrail nib. Otherwise Excellent. $7



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61137 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: New Website - Wrong email
Oops. I inadvertently gave out a wrong email for comments or
suggestions regarding my new website www.americanflyerdisplays.org
<http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>

The correct email is flyerdisplays@... (leave out the word
american at the beginning - my ISP won't take a name that long)
<flyerdisplays@...>

There are links to the correct email address at various places in the
website.

Dale Smith


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61138 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: American Flyer Displays
I believe I asked about this several years ago, but I would love to find a picture of the American Flyer Christmas Lay-outs that were in Gold's Department Store in Lincoln, Nebraska. This would have been in the latter 1940s through the 1950s. Any chance someone would have one they would be willing to share?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61139 From: richs009 Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer Displays
Me too! Gold's is where my first flyer stuff came from when I was - ahem - younger. I do recall going there a couple of times at Christmas-time to see the trains. Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures... be great to see though.

- Rich


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
>
> I believe I asked about this several years ago, but I would love to find a picture of the American Flyer Christmas Lay-outs that were in Gold's Department Store in Lincoln, Nebraska. This would have been in the latter 1940s through the 1950s. Any chance someone would have one they would be willing to share?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61140 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2010, 8:00 pm
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Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61141 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Real Trains and pies
On the C&O Canal list I am on, we are talking about places to eat while on the trail, as many places in Hancock, MD come up, especially Weaver's who is noted for great pies.

I never see any Pie talk here. LOL

Anyway, many of you know that I bike on the canal once a week and we see lots of trains going along the canal between Brunswick and a little pass the Monocacy River.

There was lots of train activity today, as I saw on one CSX engine what I think must be a new slogan, "Moving for Tomorrow" something like that I am sure if I did a Google search I would get it correctly. But probably someone knows the slogan.

Also the Acela heads south to Washington while we ride on Sunday as it went by at about 11:45 am. For anyone in the Frederick area or close by, who would like to see the Acela, a good place to watch for it and other trains would be the parking lot at Landers Lock House on the C&O Canal, as the CSX line is parallel to the canal. Then take a short hike north about a 1/4 mile to see the rebuilding of a aqueduct from 1832.

Landers lock house is on Landers Road which you get to from MD route 28 in Frederick, MD.

Mike Marmer, who needs to bake a blueberry pie soon with his Maine Wild Blueberries in the can that I stock up on every October while in Maine.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61142 From: Walter Jopke Date: 8/8/2010
Subject: Re: "S"acto....Walt's Questions Answered.....
Thanks, Ed, for the clarification! Just goes to show that a little bit of
information without searching for the full story can be misleading.

Walt

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Loizeaux [mailto:loizeaux@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:10 AM
To: List, S scale; S-Trains
Cc: 'walt jopke'
Subject: "S"acto....Walt's Questions Answered.....

Hello Walt....(and others with similar thoughts)...

Thanks for the questions. Answers are listed down below. But
first.......have you looked at the convention's web site? Click here for
answers to most of the questions you posed:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

Now getting to your questions one by one:

1. Question -- I noted on the "S"acto form a line where you have to supply
your NMRA
membership number and no line for a NASG number. Does this mean that
everyone who attends "S"acto must be a member of the NMRA (and pay the
relatively high annual membership costs the larger organization requires)?


1. Answer -- First of all, you do not "have to" provide your NMRA membership
number. Many of us do not have such a number and it is not required. The
space is there in case you are an NMRA member and wish to provide it. The
convention's web site states: "Registrants must be a member of any Extra
2011 West-affiliated participating group to register for this convention."
Since NASG is an official affiliated participating group, being a member of
NASG entitles you to register without any additional fees or costs. In
addition, it should be noted (just among us guys here), there are not any
membership requirements of any kind at all. I need to arrange for that
affiliated group statement on the web site to be removed. Thus, anyone can
register without being a member of anything. This is a "first" for the NMRA
and also is a "first" for the NASG. I am sorry if the web site statement is
misleading, but the policy on this matter has changed since the convention
organizing efforts got started and the web site has not yet been updated.

1. Answer (continued) -- The reason for the NASG space on the registration
form is explained on the convention's web site which states: "Be sure to
check the NASG box on the registration form in order to be entitled to early
reservation privileges for S events. If you fail to check the NASG box, our
trustworthy computer will not realize you are an S enthusiast. It is not
necessary to be an NASG member in order to check this box." There is no
room for an NASG membership number because it doesn't really matter if you
are an NASG member or not. The use of this box is solely for the purpose of
giving S guys an advance registration opportunity for the S-oriented events.


2. Question -- Also the usual inclusive Family registration of NASG National
Conventions
has been replaced by a spouse registration at relatively high cost and each
additional family member must be paid for separately.

2. Answer -- Please check the web site which states: "Also note that
non-registered spouses and children will be allowed to attend extra-cost
tours and banquets along with their full-fare registered rail enthusiast
upon payment of the additional tour or banquet fee. Advance purchase of
tickets for family members is highly recommended to avoid disappointment.
This policy for non-registered guests is subject to change without notice
depending on space availability and other factors." If a spouse is
registered separately, she will be entitled to attend a special spouse (aka
non-rail) luncheon which will be very nice indeed. There are also some
non-rail tours especially designed for wives of train guys. A tour to the
Jelly Belly factory will be of considerable interest to young children. If
the primary registrant (you) signs up for these tours and events, the rest
of your family can accompany you with only the tour fee being required. If
you do not sign up for the tour, then the spouse should be registered with a
spouse registration. If you want to send the kids off by themselves on a
tour, then at least one of the kids will need to be registered. In other
words, each event/tour will need at least one registrant who can then bring
along his immediate family members for the price of the tour only. Yes, I
realize it gets a bit confusing, but I'm doing my best here. This ain't
Kansas, Toto, it is Emerald City!

3. Question -- In addition to distance, this registration form seems to
preclude much of a decent S Scale
attendance at next year's convention?

3. Answer -- I am not sure exactly what the question is here. I will assume
you are talking about things being more expensive in "S"acramento than in
Duluth. If that is the case, let's look at a few figures and make some
comparisons. If you sign up with the special "early bird discount", the
registration fee of $99 entitles you to NINE FULL DAYS of convention
activities (July 1-9) as described on the convention's web site. Thus, for
only $11 per day you have access to over 200 clinics, dozens and dozens and
dozens of drive-yourself home layout visits, three days of the National
Train Show which will have over 125 manufacturer booths, 200+ sales booths
and numerous modular layouts in operation. All of the above is included in
your basic registration. The cost of $11 per day is very reasonable
compared to recent NASG conventions. In addition to the usual
convention-related activities, the California State Capitol complex is only
a few blocks away and offers some interesting low-cost tours. Maybe you
will see our Governor -- also known as THE TERMINATOR. The gold dome on the
Capitol building is a landmark in the area and the interior of the capitol
building was designed by WED Enterprises (Walter E. Disney Enterprises)
which explains why many of the locals refer to the inhabitants as the Mickey
Mouse Club. Sacramento also offers many museums, amusement parks, a gigantic
fireworks display (July 4th), and other stuff for very low fees. Yes, the
convention banquet and tours are extra cost events as always.

3. Answer (continued) -- With regard to the distance to "S"acramento, I can
only suggest that you and your wife both apply for a Citibank credit card
and earn enough frequent flyer miles for a free roundtrip ticket for each of
you on American Airlines. That is exactly what I did to attend Duluth
without any cost of travel at all. Actually, I shared a rental car with
Bill Winans and that cost me more than the flight to Minneapolis. Chase
bank and Southwest Airlines have a similar deal. So does American Express.
There is no need to pay one dime for any airplane ticket these days. Yes,
you do have to pay the taxes and a TSA security fee, but those are pretty
darn minimal.

3. Answer (continued) -- "S"acramento is not in the geographical center of
our nation. If I could move it, I would. But it is stuck in the ground
right where the famous Sacramento Locomotive Works is located. Southern
Pacific preferred to design and build many of their own steam locos and
these are the shops where it all happened. The backshop tour is
historically fascinating.

3. Answer (continued) -- California is a more expensive state than any of
the rural states. Sacramento is a "union town" in addition to being the
state capitol. Hotels will be a bit more expensive. So will the tours.
And the meals. We have everything from cheap fast food joints to exquisite
high-end French restaurants. Take your pick. I cannot change the economics
of the environment here, but I can say you will see some amazing railroad
stuff. No ore docks, but probably a tour to Tehatchapi Loop. My intent is
for the NASG banquet to be the most memorable banquet in all of NASG
history. This will be my going-away party since this is the last NASG
annual convention I will ever be coordinating. Plan on a few surprises!
The venue is right inside the roundhouse of the California State Railroad
Museum in between the locos and other displays. We have the primo spot in
the entire region reserved for just us on Saturday evening. Maximum seating
is 125 unless I pay extra to have locos moved out of the way. Save your
money and reserve your banquet seats early when the online shopping cart
goes live. It will not be cheap, but you won't forget it.

Walt, I hope this answers your questions. Ask more if you have them.
Looking forward to seeing you in "S"acto.

Ed Loizeaux


I noted on the "S"acto form a line where you have to supply your NMRA
membership number and no line for a NASG number. Does this mean that
everyone who attends "S"acto must be a member of the NMRA (and pay the
relatively high annual membership costs the larger organization requires)?
Even if one only wants to spend all of their time on S only activities?
Also the usual inclusive Family registration of NASG National Conventions
has been replaced by a spouse registration at relatively high cost and each
additional family member must be paid for separately. In addition to
distance, this registration form seems to preclude much of a decent S Scale
attendance at next year's convention?
Walt Jopke
Group: S-Trains Message: 61143 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [toytrains] Real Trains and pies
The Acela was to be the American Flyer take over name of a high speed train and was electric. When the American Flyer train name was changed to Acela it became a train service for Amtrak. Any train in Amtrak can be an Acela now, depending on its type of services. Check the emblem on the Amtrak switchers , that was to be the Acela logo.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
Sender: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:06:27
To: Toy Trains<toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Trains<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale<S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: [toytrains] Real Trains and pies

My error, as my lack of real train knowledge is showing here.

Someone pointed out to me it was not a Acela as this line is not electrified.

I had no idea that the Acela was a electric engine.

Anyway, it is a neat looking Amtrak train then.

Mike Marmer


From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:04 PM
To: Toy Trains ; S Trains ; S Scale
Subject: [toytrains] Real Trains and pies



On the C&O Canal list I am on, we are talking about places to eat while on the trail, as many places in Hancock, MD come up, especially Weaver's who is noted for great pies.

I never see any Pie talk here. LOL

Anyway, many of you know that I bike on the canal once a week and we see lots of trains going along the canal between Brunswick and a little pass the Monocacy River.

There was lots of train activity today, as I saw on one CSX engine what I think must be a new slogan, "Moving for Tomorrow" something like that I am sure if I did a Google search I would get it correctly. But probably someone knows the slogan.

Also the Acela heads south to Washington while we ride on Sunday as it went by at about 11:45 am. For anyone in the Frederick area or close by, who would like to see the Acela, a good place to watch for it and other trains would be the parking lot at Landers Lock House on the C&O Canal, as the CSX line is parallel to the canal. Then take a short hike north about a 1/4 mile to see the rebuilding of a aqueduct from 1832.

Landers lock house is on Landers Road which you get to from MD route 28 in Frederick, MD.

Mike Marmer, who needs to bake a blueberry pie soon with his Maine Wild Blueberries in the can that I stock up on every October while in Maine.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61144 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Real Trains and pies
My error, as my lack of real train knowledge is showing here.

Someone pointed out to me it was not a Acela as this line is not electrified.

I had no idea that the Acela was a electric engine.

Anyway, it is a neat looking Amtrak train then.

Mike Marmer


From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:04 PM
To: Toy Trains ; S Trains ; S Scale
Subject: [toytrains] Real Trains and pies



On the C&O Canal list I am on, we are talking about places to eat while on the trail, as many places in Hancock, MD come up, especially Weaver's who is noted for great pies.

I never see any Pie talk here. LOL

Anyway, many of you know that I bike on the canal once a week and we see lots of trains going along the canal between Brunswick and a little pass the Monocacy River.

There was lots of train activity today, as I saw on one CSX engine what I think must be a new slogan, "Moving for Tomorrow" something like that I am sure if I did a Google search I would get it correctly. But probably someone knows the slogan.

Also the Acela heads south to Washington while we ride on Sunday as it went by at about 11:45 am. For anyone in the Frederick area or close by, who would like to see the Acela, a good place to watch for it and other trains would be the parking lot at Landers Lock House on the C&O Canal, as the CSX line is parallel to the canal. Then take a short hike north about a 1/4 mile to see the rebuilding of a aqueduct from 1832.

Landers lock house is on Landers Road which you get to from MD route 28 in Frederick, MD.

Mike Marmer, who needs to bake a blueberry pie soon with his Maine Wild Blueberries in the can that I stock up on every October while in Maine.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61145 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Refrigerator Cars
Earlier I wrote that my knowledge on real trains is lacking a bit, as it happens to be I am reading my first RR book, as normally I am reading about US History or baseball.

http://www.amazon.com/Railroads-Triumphant-Rejection-Rebirth-American/dp/0195038533/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281401251&sr=1-1

The above is the book I am reading as I am learning allot about the past, pre- Acela. LOL

One thing I learned is how the refrigerator car came about. G. Swift of the Swift meat company wanted to ship meat already "boxed" meaning already slaughter and dressed at his plant and then ship the boxes off to distribution centers. The RRs did not want to do as they made more money shipping live animals to slaughter houses. So Swift made 10 refrigerator cars on his own.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61146 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Preserving History
In setting up the new website that I just announced, I learned a great
deal. First and foremost, I learned that there is very little hard
documentation available about Gilbert layouts and merchandising. There
is no book that gives a concise history of the Gilbert layouts and
advertising. Most of it resides in our memories. When we are gone, it
will probably be gone unless we write it down. That is one of the
things I hoped the website would do and it was for that reason I created
the "Layout Memories" section of the website.

I recorded my own memories of the layouts I remembered to get things
started. Mike Leahy has joined me by adding his recollections of the
Gold's department store in Lincoln, Nebraska. What would really be
great is if the rest of you would see what you can remember of the
layouts of your childhood. You probably don't have photos, unless
perhaps Mom or Dad took your picture in the toy department at Christmas
time, but your recollections could provide a starting point. I am not
afraid of doing some more research. Maybe the companies or their
successors have archives with photos. I am trying to get access to
copies of the Gilbert News, which may have articles on various layouts.
(If any of you can help me with that, please let me know) Even if it
leads no further, just having the recollections recorded will go a long
way in preserving the history of these layouts.

Please help me by adding your recollections. Just send me an email at
flyerdisplays@.... In the hopes that it might jog your memories,
I have included a link to the Department Store History website, which
has historic photos of department stores from all over the country. It
is in the Layout Memories section. Your help will be appreciated.


Dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61147 From: clayton deich Date: 8/9/2010
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers at last weekend's San Diego train show
Great videos, and thank you S-Gaurgers! I posted this to my Facebook page so my son, and his friends could see. One of my sons lives in San Diego now. We all played with AF as a family growing up.

Clayton D.
Oregon

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> To: "Brady Burdge" <brady@...>
> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 10:06 PM
> Great photos and video
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61148 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: Refrigerator cars
If you REALLY want to learn about reefers, check out the reference book about them that came out about a year ago, I can't remember the actual title. It is excellent, but an expensive purchase. I borrowed one from an HO friend.
Stumpy...the power and Internet are back on at last!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61149 From: robert hendrickson Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator Cars
Mike,
 
Recently I visited the Whippany RR Museum and they had this nice old ice reefer on display.
 
Bob


--- On Mon, 8/9/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Refrigerator Cars
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 8:52 PM


 



Earlier I wrote that my knowledge on real trains is lacking a bit, as it happens to be I am reading my first RR book, as normally I am reading about US History or baseball.

http://www.amazon.com/Railroads-Triumphant-Rejection-Rebirth-American/dp/0195038533/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281401251&sr=1-1

The above is the book I am reading as I am learning allot about the past, pre- Acela. LOL

One thing I learned is how the refrigerator car came about. G. Swift of the Swift meat company wanted to ship meat already "boxed" meaning already slaughter and dressed at his plant and then ship the boxes off to distribution centers. The RRs did not want to do as they made more money shipping live animals to slaughter houses. So Swift made 10 refrigerator cars on his own.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61150 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: Amazon
In trying to get my layout finished, I am now adding trees to the layout.

One type of tree I wanted to order from Scenic Express, I needed 8 boxed and they had only 4. They just got a order in and they will not be placing another one with this supplier for 2 months, as they come from Viet Nam. I would of never guessed that trains things are being made in Viet Nam now.

So, I did a Google search and saw that Amazon had these trees, as they had 4 boxes in stock, as they only had 4 left. So I got 4 boxes from Scenic and 4 from Amazon and they qualified, the 4 from Amazon for free shipping. I know Amazon sells Testor paint, etc.

I was really surprised that Amazon had these trees.

Not only is Amazon good for books and music, as I get these things allot from Amazon, but I most of my shopping for things from Amazon, medical supplements, tools, and so on.

So check out Amazon for trains that you know the brand name of.

They might have it.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61151 From: Gerry Evans Date: 8/10/2010
Subject: FM H10-44
My SMMW FM H10-44 arrived today. Wow! Jim outdid himself on the casting with some amazing detail work. Also, unlike the 70 Tonner, the drive train, pickups and electrical connections are already in place and ready to set on the rails. Gonna be a piece of pie to build if I can ever get out of Flagstaff and back to St. Louis where all my tools, workbenches and construction materials now rest in storage. For the moment, I guess I'll have to content myself with just doing some dressing with emory boards.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61152 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale your first choice?
In a message dated 8/11/2010 11:06:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
HULTAY@... writes:

A lot has improved in 'S' scale since then. However, situation is still
not ideal. For example, I wish 'S'Scale Loco & Supply was fully stocked
(i.e.could use a AM Pacific detail kit)


Dennis H. Bloomfield NJ
Dennis raises a good point, it is STILL very difficult to access ALL that
is available in "S". Having typed that, I will NOW admit that "Wardie Jay
TinPlate Ties" is not, as yet, on a stand alone website. That also means
NOTHING else available from Wardie Jay is known to the general populace as well.
My loss in more ways than one. BTW, the Wardie Jay "S" ties match the
size of the metal ties on American Flyer original "S" TINPLATE track, are black
in color and REAL wood. Easy to install, I do have pics, not on the
non-existant site as yet. Just email I'll send them, oh, what the heck, HERE they
are----

_http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TINPLATE_TIES.html_
(http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TINPLATE_TIES.html)

Jim "makin' ties on the Keystone Main" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61153 From: The Reardon's Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator cars
Hey Stumpy,

I think I know the book you are referring to. I've been in hopes that one will show up on sale. The retail price ($60) is too hard on my pocketbook just now, but maybe I'll be more desperate for reading material when I'm snowed in this winter. Anyhow, the name of the book I'm thinking of is, "Billboard Refrigerator Cars" authored by Richard Kaminski and Edward Hendrickson.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Refrigerator cars



If you REALLY want to learn about reefers, check out the reference book about them that came out about a year ago, I can't remember the actual title. It is excellent, but an expensive purchase. I borrowed one from an HO friend.
Stumpy...the power and Internet are back on at last!





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61154 From: omahakid2003 Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
Are the Lionel/American Flyer B&O PA1's and Erie PB1 hard to come by? I bought those new back in the early 1980's, and am considering repainting them. (The B&O never had PA's, although they did own FA's, and the Erie never had PB's.) I don't want to repaint them if they are something desirable. I could probably find some American Models PA's and PB to repaint if they are.

While I collect and operate all kinds of S gauge trains, the Lionel remakes of old Gilbert stuff soured me early on. On the first day that I got the B&O PA's, the powered unit quit running before it made it around the layout once! Subsequently, it never ran for years until I bought more modern S gauge motors for it, like are used in the MP or UP PA's. The SP powered PA was repowered the same way; it also had problems almost from the start.

Then there is the remake of the Baldwin switcher. I thought that ANYTHING would run better than a Gilbert Baldwin switcher. Lionel proved me wrong. On the positive side, the Lionel 2-8-2 and 4-6-2, which are not remakes of Gilbert engines, are very nice looking and running.

I own five powered Lionel/AF PA's which now all run on straight DC, after removing the troublesome reverse units, but they still run like slot cars (just real fast or real jerky at slow speed). The SP was in the worst shape, and I bought an American Models mechanism to place under it. It looks like I will have to do a lot of filing and grinding to make it fit, so am wondering if I should even bother converting the others. I guess that I'll find out soon.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE
Group: S-Trains Message: 61155 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Fall S Fest
Hi, Everybody....
S-'n-S Trains has decided to attend Fall S Fest in Chicago this year. We
invite all of you to come see us there. We will have lots of goodies that we
manufacture on hand at special show prices. We will also have lots and lots
of used Flyer parts that we have refurbished available at bargain prices.
Come see us, we would love to see some faces of the people we have dealt
with over the years.

Steve,
S-'n-S Trains



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61156 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
Mike, those Flyonel PA's can be re-motored to run much slower and
smoother..
We do the mods here at SnS Trains
Steve


In a message dated 08/11/2010 1:42:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
amflyer@... writes:




Are the Lionel/American Flyer B&O PA1's and Erie PB1 hard to come by? I
bought those new back in the early 1980's, and am considering repainting them.
(The B&O never had PA's, although they did own FA's, and the Erie never
had PB's.) I don't want to repaint them if they are something desirable. I
could probably find some American Models PA's and PB to repaint if they are.

While I collect and operate all kinds of S gauge trains, the Lionel
remakes of old Gilbert stuff soured me early on. On the first day that I got the
B&O PA's, the powered unit quit running before it made it around the layout
once! Subsequently, it never ran for years until I bought more modern S
gauge motors for it, like are used in the MP or UP PA's. The SP powered PA was
repowered the same way; it also had problems almost from the start.

Then there is the remake of the Baldwin switcher. I thought that ANYTHING
would run better than a Gilbert Baldwin switcher. Lionel proved me wrong.
On the positive side, the Lionel 2-8-2 and 4-6-2, which are not remakes of
Gilbert engines, are very nice looking and running.

I own five powered Lionel/AF PA's which now all run on straight DC, after
removing the troublesome reverse units, but they still run like slot cars
(just real fast or real jerky at slow speed). The SP was in the worst shape,
and I bought an American Models mechanism to place under it. It looks like
I will have to do a lot of filing and grinding to make it fit, so am
wondering if I should even bother converting the others. I guess that I'll find
out soon.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61157 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 8/11/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
Just by an undec aba from AM's
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "omahakid2003" <amflyer@...>
Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:33:22
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's

Are the Lionel/American Flyer B&O PA1's and Erie PB1 hard to come by? I bought those new back in the early 1980's, and am considering repainting them. (The B&O never had PA's, although they did own FA's, and the Erie never had PB's.) I don't want to repaint them if they are something desirable. I could probably find some American Models PA's and PB to repaint if they are.

While I collect and operate all kinds of S gauge trains, the Lionel remakes of old Gilbert stuff soured me early on. On the first day that I got the B&O PA's, the powered unit quit running before it made it around the layout once! Subsequently, it never ran for years until I bought more modern S gauge motors for it, like are used in the MP or UP PA's. The SP powered PA was repowered the same way; it also had problems almost from the start.

Then there is the remake of the Baldwin switcher. I thought that ANYTHING would run better than a Gilbert Baldwin switcher. Lionel proved me wrong. On the positive side, the Lionel 2-8-2 and 4-6-2, which are not remakes of Gilbert engines, are very nice looking and running.

I own five powered Lionel/AF PA's which now all run on straight DC, after removing the troublesome reverse units, but they still run like slot cars (just real fast or real jerky at slow speed). The SP was in the worst shape, and I bought an American Models mechanism to place under it. It looks like I will have to do a lot of filing and grinding to make it fit, so am wondering if I should even bother converting the others. I guess that I'll find out soon.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61158 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Refrigerator Cars
I think that might be it. The $60. price was beyond me too, but I was lucky enough to borrow one. Interesting reading.
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 61159 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Only 20 days left....
Gents....

Now that I have your attention, the time has arrived to let you know of the
pending registration rate increase for the "S"acto 2011 NASG/NMRA
convention. As reported earlier, that good old $99 early bird special rate
was not going to last forever. Here is the news: Effective September 1,
2010, the registration fee will become $139. Still much better than last
year's NMRA convention, but not the steal deal of the $99 currently in
effect.

If you are contemplating attending, I would suggest sending in your $99
registration within a week or so. If your circumstances change and you
cannot attend, just ask for a full refund. Nothing to lose and everything
to gain. You could spend the savings of $40 on some S scale stuff or on a
tour or something else. Time now to make up your mind and cease the
procrastination.

No changes to the AF-compatible ready-to-run (or kits) official convention
cars. Still the same as previously announced.

Click here for details:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

See you in "S"acto....Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61160 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Updated list of Gilbert Tank Cars for sale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.






625 black Shell tank car with silver
lettering and two good 1946 no-weight couplers with patent numbers.
Has all four steps. One handrail nib and one journal box are
missing. The lettering is good but but with some scratches. Much
less warping than most. Quite dirty. $15



625 silver Shell tank car with two good
black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps.
Lettering is excellent. Clean. VG $17



625 silver Shell tank car with two good
black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps.
Lettering is excellent. Clean. Small paint splotch on tank and
another on frame. Otherwise strong VG $15



625 silver Shell tank car with two good
gold weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps. Clean.
Lettering is excellent. Ex- $22



910 Gilbert Chemicals tank car on
diecast frame. All four steps in place. Both knuckle couplers work
fine. No broken handrail nibs. Scattered small nicks in body and
frame paint. Like so many of these cars, there is paint wear around
the rim of the ends where the different color green of the undercoat
shows through. VG- $175



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame with
all four steps, brake wheel, and markers. Both Gulf stickers
complete but darkened with age. A couple of small scratches in the
tank paint. Everything is in great shape. This one is very clean.
Both knuckle couplers work fine. No broken handrail nibs. Ex- $30



925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame.
Both Gulf stickers complete but aged. Has brake wheel and both
diamond markers. Spot of red paint on top. Scattered scratches and
discoloration in the tank paint. No broken steps. One knuckle
coupler has a broken spring.  No broken handrail nibs. VG-
$20

925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame. Both Gulf stickers
complete but aged; one has a little ding. Has brake wheel and both
diamond markers. Scattered scratches in the tank paint. Two broken
steps. Both knuckle couplers work fine.  No broken handrail
nibs. VG- $15

925 Gulf
tank car on diecast frame. Has all four steps and all handrail nibs.
Both couplers work. Gulf stickers are complete. Some scratches and
paint scuffs. Top cap is missing. $20

926
3-dome Gulf tank car on diecast frame with all steps, two complete
Gulf stickers, lettering perfect except 3/4 of the top of the
T in GATX is scratched off on one side.  One coupler is broken. 
Ex-.  $38



24329 unpainted Hooker tank car with
brake wheel and both diamond signs. No broken steps, couplers, or
handrail nibs. Ex-. $30









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Group: S-Trains Message: 61161 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Cabooses, Hand Car, Accessories
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.







Cabooses



638 unpainted caboose. Very dirty.
Converted to knuckle couplers; one broken. Broken catwalk ends and
two corners. Good $5



638 painted caboose. Perfect catwalk.
Two steps missing. Very dirty. Broken rear coupler. Good +$6



930 Tuscan AF caboose. The spring that
opens the rear coupler is broken. Some rust on frame. Otherwise
Ex-. $24



930 Tuscan AFL caboose. The rear
coupler doesn’t like to close; you need to close it manually. No
rust on frame. Ex-. $85



977 operating caboose with a chipped
corner on the roof. Missing brakeman. Otherwise, VG $28



979 operating caboose. Missing
chimney. Otherwise a solid Excellent. $159



24626 yellow & silver caboose. Has
all four steps and unbroken catwalk. Couplers and trucks are fine.
A number of paint scrapes. Good+ $14



24636 red unpainted, not illuminated,
single-coupler, late large-letter version. Has all four steps and
unbroken catwalk. Top and one side are strong C-6. The other side
would be too, except that there is a 1-1/2 inch crack along the
bottom edge which I Super-Glued to prevent it from breaking off. One
sideframe of the coupler truck was broken off; I Super-Glued it and
it's holding. $6






Hand Car



740 Handcar in original box; earlier
version; lettering worn off but shadow is visible; doesn’t run
reliably – I think it needs brushes C-6 $75



Accessories



705 black rail remote uncoupler; dirty
and rust on rail tops; will clean to VG+ $4
705 silver rail remote
uncoupler; slight rust on rail tops; will clean to VG+ $5
705 black rail remote uncoupler. C-7
$6



706 remote uncoupler in original box
$5
706 uncoupler with no box $2



704 Manual Uncoupler C-6 $1 (three of
them)



726 straight rubber roadbed. Four
complete and two with notch cut out for track trip $3 each.



726 straight rubber roadbed cut short
to 7 ties, plus a 1-tie piece. Fits around an uncoupler. $2



769A Aircraft Beacon Tower. Bulb is
burned out so I tested it with a bulb from my layout and it does
work. You may want to replace the beacon head: the aluminum sheath
is no longer a smoothe tube and both lenses are slightly warped. The
smokestack must have gotten lost because the former owner replaced it
with something that looks good. He also cut open the platform at the
top of the ladder to make it look like the tower for Gabe the
Lamplighter. Needs cleaning. $25






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61162 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Boxcars, Refrigerator cars, Stock cars
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.









Boxcars



Pre-war (S-Scale on O-Gauge trucks) 478
boxcar complete with no rust. Stickers show their age but are in
excellent condition. Only a little dirty. Solid VG $20 according to
Doyle’s book



633 unpainted red boxcar with brass
weight link couplers. Has brake wheel and both door nibs. Small chip
out of one corner of one catwalk; so small I almost missed it. Ex-
$28



633 unpainted red boxcar with brass
weight link couplers. Ex $33



639 yellow unpainted boxcar. Dirty body
& wheels.  Perfect lettering on one side, the L partly
scratched off on the other side.  One black-weight link coupler;
the other is missing.  Both catwalk ends have one corner chipped
off.  $8



913 Great Northern boxcar with sticker.
Both catwalk ends and both door nibs are intact. One sticker is
near perfect; the other is complete but messy from adhesive and a
couple of letters are incomplete. No brake wheel. Both knuckle
couplers work. Ex- $39



970 Seaboard walking brakeman boxcar.
Lettering is excellent. Both stickers are clean and complete. The
finish on the paint is near new and there are only a couple of tiny
spots where paint is missing. Catwalk is perfect. Brake wheel is
present. The brakeman and mechanism are there and work well. The
only flaw is a small chip out of the brakeman's slot. Ex- $90



970 Seaboard walking brakeman boxcar.
Lettering is excellent. One sticker is complete; the other has most
of the O and A missing. The finish on the paint is near new and there
are only a couple of high spots where paint is missing. One catwalk
corner is chipped and one coupler is broken. A half-inch chip broke
off the bottom of one corner but I Super Glued it back on. The
brakeman is missing, but the mechanism is there and it works well.
$50



984 New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk
ends and both door nibs are intact. No brake wheel. VG- $60

984
New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk ends and both door nibs are intact.
No brake wheel. VG $70

984 New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk
ends, both door nibs, and brake wheel are intact. This is a beauty!
Ex- $85



25081 New York operating boxcar Both
catwalk ends and Pikemaster couplers intact. C-6 $40



9706 New York Central Boxcar. 
C-10 mint; never out of the box. $80






Refrigerator cars



623 IC reefer. Lettering and catwalk
are perfect. Some spots of paint loss. Some rust on trucks and
frame. Converted to knuckle couplers, but one coupler is frozen in
the open position. $11



642 painted Tuscan reefer. No rust - a
real beauty! Ex- $45



642 painted Tuscan reefer. Rust on
trucks & frame; otherwise VG $30



802 Illinois Central refrigerator car
Ex- $25



923 Illinois Central refrigerator car.
Catwalk perfect. Couplers work. Playwear. VG- $17

923 Illinois central refrigerator
car VG $19



988 Art refrigerator car. Has original,
complete stickers, unbroken catwalk, and brake wheel. Sides are
strong VG but top has some fingerprints and dings. VG $85



988 Art refrigerator car. Both couplers
work. Only a few dots of rust on the door rails; none on trucks or
frame. Has no stickers, one broken catwalk corner, and no brake
wheel. Playwear paint loss and a few dings. Fair/Good $15



24422 great Northern refrigerator car
Ex- $25
24422 great Northern refrigerator car
Ex- $25
24422 great Northern refrigerator car
VG+ $22

24422 great Northern refrigerator car
with glue on the roof, rust on frame, and two missing wheelsets $12



Stock cars
929 stock car. Both couplers work. 
A couple of tiny dings on the body and rust on door latches. No brake
wheel. Ex- $45.



976 operating stock car. One coupler
is broken. A couple of tiny dings on the body and slight rust on
door rails. No brake wheel. Ex- $50.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61163 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator Cars Books
We have used many sources over the years to find information on
Reefer cars and their paint schemes. One of my first purchases was
"The Great Yellow Fleet" by John H. White jr. is a great first
source. Ron Sebastian recommended the CB&Q HS magazine "The
Burlington Bulletin issue 12". A very good history of the BREX with
many prototype drawings for their cars as well as FGEX and WFEX (all
jointly owned and serviced). My next source was a soft cover but
hefty book put out by the Santa Fe HS about Santa Fe Refrigerator
Dispatch. Then we purchased Tony Thompson's, history of the Pacific
Fruit Express. These books all had one thing in common, a very
limited audience thus a very expensive cover price. For us they were
all worth every penny. Lastly I would recommend a small but tall
booklet put out by Atlas "O". It covers the first 100 roadnames of
their PS 40' wooden reefer. There are lots of sepia prototype images
that they used for many of their roadnames. They also include color
side shots of each model reefer they produced. I know that they went
to great pains to try and match the colors and artwork for each
prototype scheme.
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 61164 From: Ben Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: ACME carousel truck on eBay
Hi folks-
For your AF circus train, here is an excellent load. Looks to be straight and just needs a cleaning. All three animals are there. I have no vested interest in this truck...just thought some of you might be interested in one. These don't come up every day:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-PLASTIC-ACME-CAROUSEL-TRUCK-1950s-TOY-/260647560354?pt=Diecast_Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 61165 From: michael Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
Hi, Does anyone know where I could obtain a replacement bell for this loco?

Thanks, Mike A.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61166 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: Refrigerator Cars
In a message dated 8/10/2010 11:31:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
canambob91710k@... writes:

Recently I visited the Whippany RR Museum and they had this nice old ice
reefer on display.

Bob

RRMPA ( Strasburg, PA) has a restored beauty on display.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61167 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's
I had Steve remove the old Lionel motors, as these where bad from the beginning.

He put in new ones and the engine from this time period runs great, even has a horn in it now.

Mike


From: boss31@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:00 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel/American Flyer Erie and B&O PA's



Mike, those Flyonel PA's can be re-motored to run much slower and
smoother..
We do the mods here at SnS Trains
Steve


In a message dated 08/11/2010 1:42:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
amflyer@... writes:

Are the Lionel/American Flyer B&O PA1's and Erie PB1 hard to come by? I
bought those new back in the early 1980's, and am considering repainting them.
(The B&O never had PA's, although they did own FA's, and the Erie never
had PB's.) I don't want to repaint them if they are something desirable. I
could probably find some American Models PA's and PB to repaint if they are.

While I collect and operate all kinds of S gauge trains, the Lionel
remakes of old Gilbert stuff soured me early on. On the first day that I got the
B&O PA's, the powered unit quit running before it made it around the layout
once! Subsequently, it never ran for years until I bought more modern S
gauge motors for it, like are used in the MP or UP PA's. The SP powered PA was
repowered the same way; it also had problems almost from the start.

Then there is the remake of the Baldwin switcher. I thought that ANYTHING
would run better than a Gilbert Baldwin switcher. Lionel proved me wrong.
On the positive side, the Lionel 2-8-2 and 4-6-2, which are not remakes of
Gilbert engines, are very nice looking and running.

I own five powered Lionel/AF PA's which now all run on straight DC, after
removing the troublesome reverse units, but they still run like slot cars
(just real fast or real jerky at slow speed). The SP was in the worst shape,
and I bought an American Models mechanism to place under it. It looks like
I will have to do a lot of filing and grinding to make it fit, so am
wondering if I should even bother converting the others. I guess that I'll find
out soon.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61168 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 8/12/2010
Subject: Re: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
From Lionel parts at Lionel.com

Part numbers:

6408036402 Bell
6408036403 Crank



Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of michael
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability



Hi, Does anyone know where I could obtain a replacement bell for this
loco?

Thanks, Mike A.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61169 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
In continuing research on the displays website, I ran across the
following.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872081,00.html I
thought you might be interested.

Dale Smith
Group: S-Trains Message: 61170 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
Thanks! I didn't know parts were so readily available from Lionel. Nice
resource to have.



________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 6:46:57 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability


From Lionel parts at Lionel.com

Part numbers:

6408036402 Bell
6408036403 Crank

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of michael
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability

Hi, Does anyone know where I could obtain a replacement bell for this
loco?

Thanks, Mike A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61171 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability
The top of the boiler mount yoke for the PRR, B&O etc.style bell is not available but the front mount yoke 6408036404 looks like it might be adaptable if your yoke needs replacing too.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike Andrzejewski
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:53 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability



Thanks! I didn't know parts were so readily available from Lionel. Nice
resource to have.

________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 6:46:57 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability

From Lionel parts at Lionel.com

Part numbers:

6408036402 Bell
6408036403 Crank

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of michael
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF LTI PRR 2-8-2 Parts Availability

Hi, Does anyone know where I could obtain a replacement bell for this
loco?

Thanks, Mike A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61172 From: Scale S Only Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
That was very interesting for a non student of ACG. He was quite the guy!

Thanks!
Bill Winans
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine



In continuing research on the displays website, I ran across the
following.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872081,00.html I
thought you might be interested.

Dale Smith




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61173 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: For Sale: lots of Gilbert Gondolas
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.







two unpainted green 631 T&P
gondolas with one step missing. Otherwise Ex. $15



two unpainted green 631 T&P
gondolas. Ex $17



631 T&P gondola with 1946 coupler
with patent number and all four steps. Has lots of the classic
Gilbert white stuff but will clean to VG+. $10



631 T&P gondola with gold-weight
couplers and two missing steps. Otherwise Ex-. $12



two 804 N&W gondolas. Ex $19



two 805 PRR gondolas. Ex $16



805 PRR gondola. Ex- $15



805 PRR gondola. Ex- $14



911 C&O Gondola with all six pipes
but broken holders. Otherwise Ex. $25



911 C&O Gondola with five pipes and
no holders. Otherwise Ex. $22



two 911 C&O Gondolas with no pipes
or holders. Otherwise Ex. $18



911 C&O Gondola with no pipes or
holders. One broken coupler. Otherwise Ex. $15



five 920 Southern gondolas. Ex $29



920 Southern gondola. VG $20



920 Southern gondola. Ex- $27



920 Southern gondola. Ex but white
paint splotches on one side.




931 green T&P gondola with one step
missing. Dirty. Good. $5



931 green T&P gondola with two
steps missing. VG-. $10



two 941 Frisco gondolas. Ex $22



941 Frisco gondola. Sideframe and two
wheelsets missing. Otherwise VG. $10



24110 PRR gondola. Ex- $16



24110 PRR gondola. Has all four steps
and good couplers. Good+//VG- $10



24124 Boston & Maine gondola. Ex
$21



24124 Boston & Maine gondola. Ex
$21









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Group: S-Trains Message: 61174 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Since Gilbert lived at Paradise, I could not resist this link for Paradise by John Prine, as John was mail carrier before having a successful music career as Mr. Peabody Coal Train has haul it away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyPTIOJuWws

Mike


From: Scale S Only
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine



That was very interesting for a non student of ACG. He was quite the guy!

Thanks!
Bill Winans
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine

In continuing research on the displays website, I ran across the
following.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872081,00.html I
thought you might be interested.

Dale Smith

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61175 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!

Mike


From: Scale S Only
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine



That was very interesting for a non student of ACG. He was quite the guy!

Thanks!
Bill Winans
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine

In continuing research on the displays website, I ran across the
following.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872081,00.html I
thought you might be interested.

Dale Smith

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61176 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Hi Mike,
                      You might want to compare Michael Jackson as the Frankie Lyman of his time rather than A.C. Gilbert.  Both Michael Jackson and A.C. Gilbert had great talents, but in different areas.
                                 Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 8/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 3:30 PM







 









Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!



Mike



From: Scale S Only

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:44 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine



That was very interesting for a non student of ACG. He was quite the guy!



Thanks!

Bill Winans

----- Original Message -----

From: Dale Smith

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:27 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine



In continuing research on the displays website, I ran across the

following.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872081,00.html I

thought you might be interested.



Dale Smith



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61177 From: George Cohn Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
On 8/13/2010 12:30 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

> Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of
> sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!

Actually not. He was a very intelligent person who spent his life
inventing things for kids of all ages.

If you read his Biography,
"The Man who Lives in Paradise: The Autobiography of A. C. Gilbert
by A. C. Gilbert, et al." you will learn that besides having a
medical degree from Yale, he was a first class magician and prolific
inventor with many patents in his name.

He invented enameled magnet wire which made it possible to create small
electric motors for trains, toys, and kitchen appliances. GE told him
it was impossible but he did it anyway.

During WWII, his factory used those small motors to power many of the
operating parts of the then current technology airplanes.

You will notice the decline of the AC Gilbert company began shortly
after his death in 1961. His son just never had the heart and soul like
his father.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61178 From: Ben Perry Date: 8/13/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
"Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!"

Michael;

I have lived through the A.C. Gilbert and Jackson eras.
Believe me, Jackson was no A.C. Gilbert.

Your statement is an insult to the memory of A.C. Gilbert.

Ben Perry




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61179 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
LOL I might have been pushing this a bit.

Mike


From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:37 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine



Hi Mike,
You might want to compare Michael Jackson as the Frankie Lyman of his time rather than A.C. Gilbert. Both Michael Jackson and A.C. Gilbert had great talents, but in different areas.
Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 8/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 3:30 PM



Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!

Mike

From: Scale S Only

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:44 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine

That was very interesting for a non student of ACG. He was quite the guy!

Thanks!

Bill Winans

----- Original Message -----

From: Dale Smith

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:27 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine

In continuing research on the displays website, I ran across the

following.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872081,00.html I

thought you might be interested.

Dale Smith

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61180 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
> "Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!"
>
> Michael;
>
> I have lived through the A.C. Gilbert and Jackson eras.
> Believe me, Jackson was no A.C. Gilbert.
>
> Your statement is an insult to the memory of A.C. Gilbert.
>
> Ben Perry
>
>

Although Michael Jackson was very talented, I am no way a "huge" fan,
but I think I understand Michael's above statement.
Being a "insult" ... was the furthest from MY mind.

Rick Evans

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61181 From: Mike Vana Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's
With a friend's help, especially with a belt sander,
we got the American Models mechanism to fit under
a Lionel/AF Southern Pacific PA shell. The
difference is amazing. It is so much smoother
running now - really, really nice! I'm considering
which PA to convert next. I own an original
American Models PA, and that gave me the inspiration
for this conversion. As for the advice about just buying
undecorated American Models PA's, it's a good
idea and I might buy some in the future, but I can't
paint as well as the SP factory paint






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61182 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
A.C. Gilbert was to some extent a product of his times, but some things
are really timeless, like decency and fair play. He would be considered
progressive in his approach to business and his employees, even today.
Paradise wasn't just for him, but his employees also had access to this
park. Just try to imagine any one of today's CEO's inviting their
employees to use parts of their estates. Gilbert Co. was never unionized
and he was a large part of the reason. There is a lot of truth to the
saying that no company ever got a union that didn't deserve one.

Dale

George Cohn wrote:
>
> On 8/13/2010 12:30 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> > Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of
> > sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!
>
> Actually not. He was a very intelligent person who spent his life
> inventing things for kids of all ages.
>
> If you read his Biography,
> "The Man who Lives in Paradise: The Autobiography of A. C. Gilbert
> by A. C. Gilbert, et al." you will learn that besides having a
> medical degree from Yale, he was a first class magician and prolific
> inventor with many patents in his name.
>
> He invented enameled magnet wire which made it possible to create small
> electric motors for trains, toys, and kitchen appliances. GE told him
> it was impossible but he did it anyway.
>
> During WWII, his factory used those small motors to power many of the
> operating parts of the then current technology airplanes.
>
> You will notice the decline of the AC Gilbert company began shortly
> after his death in 1961. His son just never had the heart and soul like
> his father.
>
> George Cohn
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61183 From: Al Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: YORK - Questions
Hi,
I have never been to York, but since I plan to be in the area (I live in Oregon!), I would like to go. So I have some questions.

1. I will be driving my motorhome, where is a good place to park it that doesn't cost a fortune (doesn't have to be fancy)? At least electrical hookup would be highly desireable. The Fairgrounds have been suggested - is that really a good place?

2. Where & when are the best places for S-Gauge?

3. Is there pre-registration? Is it a good idea to pre-register?

4. Do they have seminars?

Thanks in advance for info and suggestions.

Al Baker
Portland, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61184 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2010, 8:00 pm
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61186 From: crf250x04 Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Showcase Miniatures S scale Sunkist Citrus shed
To my S scale friends

Today I completed filling my orders for the Sunkist Citrus shed (low relief) backdrop model kits. For those who ordered one from me Thank You your model kit is on its way to you right now. I also wanted to thank this yahoo group for allowing me to post the information. Also for those of you whom had not made up your mind yet or didn't know I have two extra model kits on hand and still available. They are available at the website www.showcaseminiatures.com If you prefer I can send an order form to you. My email address is joe@...

Sincerely Joe Warren
Showcase Miniatures
Group: S-Trains Message: 61187 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's
Thanks for your report. I would expect greatly improved performance from
the AM mechanism. Plus you can similarly power the troublesome dummy
units.

The Flyonel Daylight PA and passenger cars are nicely painted. But the
American Models PA in the SP Daylight scheme is painted better. The colors
on the American Models units are closer to the prototype, especially the
red. This may be a moot point if your goal is to match the Flyonel Daylight
passenger cars. But if I were starting over, I would go for the AM PAs or
E8s with the AM SP Daylight Budd cars. And with the AM Budds you get a
nicely designed dining car. .

- Earl Henry, Nashville
=========================


In a message dated 8/14/2010 12:51:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
amflyer@... writes:




With a friend's help, especially with a belt sander,
we got the American Models mechanism to fit under
a Lionel/AF Southern Pacific PA shell. The
difference is amazing. It is so much smoother
running now - really, really nice! I'm considering
which PA to convert next. I own an original
American Models PA, and that gave me the inspiration
for this conversion. As for the advice about just buying
undecorated American Models PA's, it's a good
idea and I might buy some in the future, but I can't
paint as well as the SP factory paint

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61188 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert track
Mostly curved track; I got only 19 straight and it'll take a good bit of
work to clean them up. Rust on the ties and many rails; really dirty. 
There
is some paint on the ties and rails of a few. $3.50 for the lot?





The curves fall into three groups:





1. Pretty good.  Little or no rust on the ties or rails, but they'll need a good cleaning.  36 of them for $20.





2. Ok.  Little or no rust on the ties but the rails have some and.or are
really dirty.  There is some paint on the ties and rails of a few.
It'll take a good bit of work to clean them up.  111 of them for 20
cents apiece.





3. Not so good.  Rust on the ties and many rails; really dirty.  There
is some paint on the ties and rails of a few. It'll take a lot of
work to clean them up.  130 of them for 10 cents apiece.





You don't have to buy them all, of course; just what you need.






Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61189 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Dear Al,
Are you a TCA member? That makes things much easier for most of
your questions.
Don

On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Al wrote:

> Hi,
> I have never been to York, but since I plan to be in the area (I
> live in Oregon!), I would like to go. So I have some questions.
>
> 1. I will be driving my motorhome, where is a good place to park it
> that doesn't cost a fortune (doesn't have to be fancy)? At least
> electrical hookup would be highly desireable. The Fairgrounds have
> been suggested - is that really a good place?
>
> 2. Where & when are the best places for S-Gauge?
>
> 3. Is there pre-registration? Is it a good idea to pre-register?
>
> 4. Do they have seminars?
>
> Thanks in advance for info and suggestions.
>
> Al Baker
> Portland, OR
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61190 From: clayton deich Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
Thanks Dale, I posted this on my facebook page. 

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 8:27 PM
















 









In continuing research on the displays website, I ran across the

following.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872081,00.html I

thought you might be interested.



Dale Smith




























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61191 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine
I was only kidding, as I know he did allot of good things.

IT was just the way it was written that sort of sounded like........

Mike


From: George Cohn
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 7:48 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert Obituary from Time Magazine



On 8/13/2010 12:30 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

> Actually after reading this, and learning about his Paradise, he sort of
> sounds like the Michael Jackson of his time!!!!

Actually not. He was a very intelligent person who spent his life
inventing things for kids of all ages.

If you read his Biography,
"The Man who Lives in Paradise: The Autobiography of A. C. Gilbert
by A. C. Gilbert, et al." you will learn that besides having a
medical degree from Yale, he was a first class magician and prolific
inventor with many patents in his name.

He invented enameled magnet wire which made it possible to create small
electric motors for trains, toys, and kitchen appliances. GE told him
it was impossible but he did it anyway.

During WWII, his factory used those small motors to power many of the
operating parts of the then current technology airplanes.

You will notice the decline of the AC Gilbert company began shortly
after his death in 1961. His son just never had the heart and soul like
his father.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61192 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: For Sale Gilbert black-rail curved track from 1946-47
28 pieces; only three have any significant rust.  About half could probably be used as-is, but I'd give them all a good cleaning.  Greenberg says $2 for excellent and 50 cents for Good, so I figure these should be "worth" between $30 and $40.  Make offer.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61193 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Consololidated and Pacific Locomotives for sale , must sell
1. Cat # 01053 2-8-2 Baltomore and Ohio Consolidated Steam
Locomotive, S-HI SCALE
· No more than 10 hours of operation.
· Ecellent excellent condition in original packaging
· A F compatible
· Award-winning detal
· AF compatible, Locomatic Sound including bell, whistle, bell,
chug and other operating sounds.
$425 plus postage and insurance(REQUIRED)
1. American Models USRA 4-6-2 Undecorated “Pacific” die cast steam
locomotive
* Excellent condition very little usage (less than 10 hours) and
with original packing and box
* Comes undecorated (base black color) but with unapplied “S” Union
PacificAND Baltimore and Ohio decals or add your own!
* AC Flyer compatible model with chug, smoke, whistle and bell
* Pictures to any interested parties.
* $ 225 excluding shipping, insurance.

Will send picures to interest parties only!
PLEASE RESPOND OFF LINE
Thanks,
Jack Riely
Lake St Lois, MO


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61194 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
There are a good number of RV parks within a 15 mile radius of York,

I know the fairgrounds have some electric hookups but I don't know

if they are 50 amps or not.... Do you tow a car with you for transportation?



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Al
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:07 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] YORK - Questions





Hi,
I have never been to York, but since I plan to be in the area (I live in
Oregon!), I would like to go. So I have some questions.

1. I will be driving my motorhome, where is a good place to park it that
doesn't cost a fortune (doesn't have to be fancy)? At least electrical
hookup would be highly desireable. The Fairgrounds have been suggested - is
that really a good place?

2. Where & when are the best places for S-Gauge?

3. Is there pre-registration? Is it a good idea to pre-register?

4. Do they have seminars?

Thanks in advance for info and suggestions.

Al Baker
Portland, OR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61195 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Wow, I would hate to see someone on this list who is not a member just showing up at York, as it is only open to members.

However, I believe you can join at York, so the trip would not be a long trip for nothing.

Again, if you need a form with 2 signatures, as I will tell all, I have sold some things to Al, I believe, and Al has been on this list for a long time, so in way, I kind of know Al and I think he is worthy of being a member as I remember the last time I said this, I was taken to the woodshed by some for doing this.

I will tell you that on the TCA list, they are talking about percentages of age of members and I will tell you in 20 years it will not be a pretty picture for the TCA as most of the member is 56 and above.

Mike


From: Don Thompson
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] YORK - Questions



Dear Al,
Are you a TCA member? That makes things much easier for most of
your questions.
Don

On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Al wrote:

> Hi,
> I have never been to York, but since I plan to be in the area (I
> live in Oregon!), I would like to go. So I have some questions.
>
> 1. I will be driving my motorhome, where is a good place to park it
> that doesn't cost a fortune (doesn't have to be fancy)? At least
> electrical hookup would be highly desireable. The Fairgrounds have
> been suggested - is that really a good place?
>
> 2. Where & when are the best places for S-Gauge?
>
> 3. Is there pre-registration? Is it a good idea to pre-register?
>
> 4. Do they have seminars?
>
> Thanks in advance for info and suggestions.
>
> Al Baker
> Portland, OR
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61196 From: Al Date: 8/15/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Hi All,
Thanks to those that have responded, including those that responded directly/privately.

In answer to some, yes, I am a current TCA member. And I appreciate getting the website - it helped a lot.

A couple more questions:

1. When / where is the "Flyernut" meeting?

2. I am considering to bring several of my custom AF locomotives for show (NOT for sale). To do that I assume I would have to rent a table. Is it ok/adviseable to put them on display with info, and just leave them there for periods of time while I checkout the rest of the show?? Or am I flirting with problems? Would there be a better way to display my locos?

Thanks in advance.
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...> wrote:
>
> There are a good number of RV parks within a 15 mile radius of York,
>
> I know the fairgrounds have some electric hookups but I don't know
>
> if they are 50 amps or not.... Do you tow a car with you for transportation?
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Al
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:07 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] YORK - Questions
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
> I have never been to York, but since I plan to be in the area (I live in
> Oregon!), I would like to go. So I have some questions.
>
> 1. I will be driving my motorhome, where is a good place to park it that
> doesn't cost a fortune (doesn't have to be fancy)? At least electrical
> hookup would be highly desireable. The Fairgrounds have been suggested - is
> that really a good place?
>
> 2. Where & when are the best places for S-Gauge?
>
> 3. Is there pre-registration? Is it a good idea to pre-register?
>
> 4. Do they have seminars?
>
> Thanks in advance for info and suggestions.
>
> Al Baker
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61197 From: EDWARD Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: American Models
This was posted on the S Scale list and I am passing this on

Ed Eckert,
moderator



Gents...This evening I received the email below and am passing it along to
the List. Ed L.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:52 PM
To: Loizeaux@...
Subject: American Models

Hello Ed,
I'm contacting you off list...

All Aboard Junction in Gilroy, CA is closing and there is a small collection
of American Models AF High rail units available. These were from an estate.
The collection consists of a B&O F7 AB with sound, Capitol Limited Budd car
set, Sante Fe 4-8-4 Northern, and a B&O E8 with sound.

I am not affiliated with the store, just a customer. I model HO so these
items are of no interest to me.

I am a PCR member and post on various Yahoo lists.

If you have any interest in this collection, please contact the store owner
Pat DeLeon at (408) 206-9933
Group: S-Trains Message: 61198 From: John Metzger Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
anything left unattended is temptation for the devil to steal it.  if you value
those engines, do not leave them on the table in a crowded hall.  they will
sprot legs a be lost to someone. John




________________________________
From: Al <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 11:48:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions

 
Hi All,
Thanks to those that have responded, including those that responded
directly/privately.

In answer to some, yes, I am a current TCA member. And I appreciate getting the
website - it helped a lot.

A couple more questions:

1. When / where is the "Flyernut" meeting?

2. I am considering to bring several of my custom AF locomotives for show (NOT
for sale). To do that I assume I would have to rent a table. Is it ok/adviseable
to put them on display with info, and just leave them there for periods of time
while I checkout the rest of the show?? Or am I flirting with problems? Would
there be a better way to display my locos?

Thanks in advance.
Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...> wrote:
>
> There are a good number of RV parks within a 15 mile radius of York,
>
> I know the fairgrounds have some electric hookups but I don't know
>
> if they are 50 amps or not.... Do you tow a car with you for transportation?
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Al
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:07 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] YORK - Questions
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
> I have never been to York, but since I plan to be in the area (I live in
> Oregon!), I would like to go. So I have some questions.
>
> 1. I will be driving my motorhome, where is a good place to park it that
> doesn't cost a fortune (doesn't have to be fancy)? At least electrical
> hookup would be highly desireable. The Fairgrounds have been suggested - is
> that really a good place?
>
> 2. Where & when are the best places for S-Gauge?
>
> 3. Is there pre-registration? Is it a good idea to pre-register?
>
> 4. Do they have seminars?
>
> Thanks in advance for info and suggestions.
>
> Al Baker
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61199 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
I agree, but it shouldn't be this way, if all those TCA members in the
hall lived up to the spirit of the TCA standards.

Dale

John Metzger wrote:
>
>
> anything left unattended is temptation for the devil to steal it. if
> you value
> those engines, do not leave them on the table in a crowded hall. they
> will
> sprot legs a be lost to someone. John
>
> ________________________________
> From: Al <albaker33@... <mailto:albaker33%40comcast.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 11:48:41 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions
>
>
> Hi All,
> Thanks to those that have responded, including those that responded
> directly/privately.
>
> In answer to some, yes, I am a current TCA member. And I appreciate
> getting the
> website - it helped a lot.
>
> A couple more questions:
>
> 1. When / where is the "Flyernut" meeting?
>
> 2. I am considering to bring several of my custom AF locomotives for
> show (NOT
> for sale). To do that I assume I would have to rent a table. Is it
> ok/adviseable
> to put them on display with info, and just leave them there for
> periods of time
> while I checkout the rest of the show?? Or am I flirting with
> problems? Would
> there be a better way to display my locos?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...> wrote:
> >
> > There are a good number of RV parks within a 15 mile radius of York,
> >
> > I know the fairgrounds have some electric hookups but I don't know
> >
> > if they are 50 amps or not.... Do you tow a car with you for
> transportation?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf
> > Of Al
> > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:07 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] YORK - Questions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have never been to York, but since I plan to be in the area (I live in
> > Oregon!), I would like to go. So I have some questions.
> >
> > 1. I will be driving my motorhome, where is a good place to park it that
> > doesn't cost a fortune (doesn't have to be fancy)? At least electrical
> > hookup would be highly desireable. The Fairgrounds have been
> suggested - is
> > that really a good place?
> >
> > 2. Where & when are the best places for S-Gauge?
> >
> > 3. Is there pre-registration? Is it a good idea to pre-register?
> >
> > 4. Do they have seminars?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for info and suggestions.
> >
> > Al Baker
> > Portland, OR
> >
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61200 From: race944t Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: YORK - Questions
I have stayed in the fairgrounds in my MH for years both spring and fall. It may depend upon how long you are staying. If you are there from start to finish, then the fairgrounds is reasonable at $40.00 paid to E Div TCA. If you are just going to visit for the day, then just do the Wal-Mart parking lot thing and drive to the grounds. The weather will probably be cool and/or raining. It always seems to rain during York week.

Don't expect lots of room to spread out because most of the motorhomes/trailers are parked fairly close. Depending upon where you park you can get full hookup (water, elect & sewer). There is a dump station on site. Other sites just have water. Bring a "Y" adapter for your water hose and especially a 40 PSI water pressure regulator. The water pressure in spots at the fairgrounds exceeds 100 pipe bursting PSI. Most electrical hookups are 30 amp RV plug type so if you have a 15/20 amp or a 50 amp you will need an adapter.

If you are coming early for the bandit shows, you won't be able to park at the fairgrounds until about noon on Wednesday.

I highly recommend Blue K-21 to shop for American Flyer. I bet you guessed it, but that's my table. I'll also bet there will be others who might disagree with my opinion here :>))

You can register online this year. There is a small fee for credit cards online registration.

Welcome to the east coast and enjoy the "EVENT". There is nothing like it.

"Banker" Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61201 From: Mike Vana Date: 8/16/2010
Subject: Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's
I didn't know that American Models made SP PA's,
though I have a Rio Grande, and a friend has a UP.

The reason for the repowered Lionel/American Flyer
PA1 is that I was trying to make something good from
what I already have. I never got any satisfaction from
seeing the train sit, or run as badly as it did.

I have 4 more powered PA's. Since they are not original
anymore, I might as well eventually rework them, too.
And making powered units from the dummies sounds like
a good idea. I have considered that, at least for the dummy
SP PA1 and PB1. Three powered units would sure
pull a long train.

You can find some inaccuracies with the Gilbert PA1
and PB1, but for being introduced in 1950, they are
still very close to scale.

Somebody asked for pictures of the conversion,
and I'll try to take some and post them soon.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61202 From: SMMW Date: 8/17/2010
Subject: Future SMMW offerings
Following is a list of "will be produced" S scale kits now in various stages
of design, in the order they will likely appear:



1. 44-ton GE Phase Ia and IVb with code 110 and AF-compatible wheelsets
(design underway)

2. PRR X29D 40 ft single door box (design underway, target release date
in Nov/Dec)

3. SAL B7 "turtleback roof" 40 ft single door box (design to start next
week)

4. Southern 50 ft gon, built 1953 and lasting into the 90s in MW service
(design to start in 3-4 weeks)



These projects are underway but the order is not set yet:



1. SAL 36 ft ventilated box (unknown design start date)

2. GP38 hi and lo nose option (w/ and w/o dynamic brake insert will be in
kit)

3. N&W H10 70-ton 3 bay hopper



Please contact me off list to place a no-money-required reservation for all
EXCEPT the 44-tonner which does require payment in full to guarantee your
order (this is expected to be in production by December). 44t's are
available in Phase Ia (no front grill) and Phase IVb (with front grill) for
$325 scale and $345 hi-rail. Add $10 shipping in the Lower 48 per order;
$25 for Canada.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61203 From: Glenn Date: 8/17/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsHi Al,

The Flyer Nut meeting is Thursday October 14
at 8:30pm in the Reliance Fire Hall,
1341 West Market Street, York, PA.
Just up the street from the main Fairgrounds.
A great place to meet Gilbert friends and
see unusual American Flyer info.

If you scroll down this page you will
see the National Toy Train Museum
Open Houses and at the bottom are
some Flyer Nut (labeled Gilbert Get Together)
pictures from a couple of years ago.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html

Glenn
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html

From: Al <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 11:48:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions


Hi All,
Thanks to those that have responded, including those that responded
directly/privately.

In answer to some, yes, I am a current TCA member. And I appreciate getting the
website - it helped a lot.

A couple more questions:

1. When / where is the "Flyernut" meeting?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61204 From: Al Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Thanks Glenn and the several others that have responded to the Group and directly to me. Your info has been VERY helpful, and I really appreciate it. I am getting very excited about attending.

My last question is, if I want to bring 8-10 of my custom locomotives to show (not sell), would the Flyer Nut meeting be a good place to do that? Other suggestions? (I don't want to have to spend all day long everyday "guarding" my trains from being stolen.

Thanks again, in advance,
Al


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote:
>
> S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsHi Al,
>
> The Flyer Nut meeting is Thursday October 14
> at 8:30pm in the Reliance Fire Hall,
> 1341 West Market Street, York, PA.
> Just up the street from the main Fairgrounds.
> A great place to meet Gilbert friends and
> see unusual American Flyer info.
>
> If you scroll down this page you will
> see the National Toy Train Museum
> Open Houses and at the bottom are
> some Flyer Nut (labeled Gilbert Get Together)
> pictures from a couple of years ago.
> http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html
>
> Glenn
> http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html
>
> From: Al <albaker33@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 11:48:41 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions
>
>
> Hi All,
> Thanks to those that have responded, including those that responded
> directly/privately.
>
> In answer to some, yes, I am a current TCA member. And I appreciate getting the
> website - it helped a lot.
>
> A couple more questions:
>
> 1. When / where is the "Flyernut" meeting?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61205 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: layout Update
Trees have been sprouting in the town of D&K RR as I have 17 trees up around town and I need to order another 8.

I am using the best trees already made, a one time expense from JTT trees, as they are 4 inch high deciduous trees, and I have some 6 inch high trees, between some plasticville stores.

Also, I got 20 crates from BTS, as Linda thinks that stands for something else, naughty mind, and they are for the produce loading platform.

I still need to order people, but I am going to hold of that till after our trip from Maine in October, as July was a expensive month with a new computer and a new crown, crown number 3. Amazing how inexpensive computers are now, as I got a very powerful unit was I do allot of music work with the computer, 8 GB of memory.

I have two more trees to get up tonight and then I will take photos.

Table Skirt is done too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61206 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Flyer
How do the Lionel PA's stack up against Gilbert's 360/361?


Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61207 From: zemouse2001 Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: A question on can motor conversions - brass vs steel worm gear
I was chatting with the local S-Gauge group and mentioned I was seriously considering putting a can motor in my AF 310 because althugh the motor was running fine, the reverser was driving me a bit bonkers (despite many attempts at improvements). Several folks made the following observations:

#1: don't give up on the reverser quite yet - many just need to have the little fingers replaced. My reply: my problem has to do with sticky armature that no amount of careful cleaning has corrected.

#2: the second comment was that can replacements with steel worm gears lasted much longer than brass ones.

So any comments from those in the group here on either of these? Particularly on the steel vs. brass?

Bob Groh
Group: S-Trains Message: 61208 From: Al Baker Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Thanks Glenn and the several others that have responded to the Group and directly to me. Your info has been VERY helpful, and I really appreciate it.

I am getting very excited about attending.

My last question is, if I want to bring 8-10 of my custom locomotives to show (not sell), would the Flyer Nut meeting be a good place to do that? Other suggestions? (I don't want to have to spend all day long everyday "guarding" my trains from being stolen.

Thanks again, in advance,
Al


----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn
To: A/S-Trains
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 6:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions



S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsHi Al,

The Flyer Nut meeting is Thursday October 14
at 8:30pm in the Reliance Fire Hall,
1341 West Market Street, York, PA.
Just up the street from the main Fairgrounds.
A great place to meet Gilbert friends and
see unusual American Flyer info.

If you scroll down this page you will
see the National Toy Train Museum
Open Houses and at the bottom are
some Flyer Nut (labeled Gilbert Get Together)
pictures from a couple of years ago.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html

Glenn
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html

From: Al <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 11:48:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions

Hi All,
Thanks to those that have responded, including those that responded
directly/privately.

In answer to some, yes, I am a current TCA member. And I appreciate getting the
website - it helped a lot.

A couple more questions:

1. When / where is the "Flyernut" meeting?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61209 From: barb Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Brian Nolan
Group,

I am so sad to report that my friend Modeler Brian Nolan died last
night at 3:00AM from a massive heeart attack.

Although he was mostly into HO and O narrow guage, he was a
member of the Suncoast Model railroad club who has a wonderful
Sn3 layout that has won many prizes.

His specialty was scratchbuilding structures and also has won
many prizes for his dioramas at train shows.

You can view his work and a tribute at:

http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_brian_nolan.html

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 61210 From: frank emiro Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
I have the SF's from Lionel and they run great. I hear the one's from  the Erie and prior had issues.


Frank R. EMIRO    

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:


From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 6:53 PM


 




How do the Lionel PA's stack up against Gilbert's 360/361?

Thanks

Brady Burdge










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Group: S-Trains Message: 61211 From: wd512@att.net Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: homosote
I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute? I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61212 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: A question on can motor conversions - brass vs steel worm gear
Steel will last longer but brass ones mostly wear because of poor
lubrication and slop in the axle and smoke piston gears due to years and years of
wear. There are no longer any brass wormed motors on the market.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 08/18/2010 9:18:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
bob.groh@... writes:

#2: the second comment was that can replacements with steel worm gears
lasted much longer than brass ones.

So any comments from those in the group here on either of these?
Particularly on the steel vs. brass?

Bob Groh



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61213 From: Mark Kiner Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
You will probably hear from most of the group that when in good shape the original Gilbert units are smoother in operation than the Flyonel units.

My opinion is that it depends on your control transformer.

Most people complain about "jackrabbit starts" on the Flyonel units with original gilbert transformers. This is due to the higher minim voltage on the original transformers.

If you control the Flyonel units with with a lower initial voltage and shallower slope on the voltage rise they are definitely usable and controllable.

that being said they are not as smooth as AM or SHS.

Some people use the single lead worm from AM to replace the double lead in the Flyonel and this helps. (see Carl Tuveson's web site)

I operate mine with the cab1 TMCC and they are not a problem. I converted one to the brass single lead worm as mentioned above, but wasn't sure it was worth the effort for the remainder of my Flyonel diesels.

If you operate at heavy loads I have heard comments about burning the motor up. I haven't personally had this problem, but don't pull heavy loads for long periods.




From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 5:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's)




How do the Lionel PA's stack up against Gilbert's 360/361?

Thanks

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61214 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: Brian Nolan
Brian was well known to us in On30. His work was outstanding, and while the structures were his first love, he was a great all around modeler. He was also very helpful of others.
Stumpy Stone...rubber gauger on the Ohio River
Group: S-Trains Message: 61215 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK - Questions
Al ... I think the Flyer Nut Meet would be the best, but we would like all to see them... So a table in the Hall is good too.... I have let my table before, and the fellows around me kept an eye on things.... BUT!!!!! I had a price sticker on a 500.00 car get switched to a 50.00 and ny wife sold it.... She didn't know.... Bob

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote:


From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:52 PM


 



Thanks Glenn and the several others that have responded to the Group and directly to me. Your info has been VERY helpful, and I really appreciate it.

I am getting very excited about attending.

My last question is, if I want to bring 8-10 of my custom locomotives to show (not sell), would the Flyer Nut meeting be a good place to do that? Other suggestions? (I don't want to have to spend all day long everyday "guarding" my trains from being stolen.

Thanks again, in advance,
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn
To: A/S-Trains
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 6:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions

S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsHi Al,

The Flyer Nut meeting is Thursday October 14
at 8:30pm in the Reliance Fire Hall,
1341 West Market Street, York, PA.
Just up the street from the main Fairgrounds.
A great place to meet Gilbert friends and
see unusual American Flyer info.

If you scroll down this page you will
see the National Toy Train Museum
Open Houses and at the bottom are
some Flyer Nut (labeled Gilbert Get Together)
pictures from a couple of years ago.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html

Glenn
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html

From: Al <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 11:48:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK - Questions

Hi All,
Thanks to those that have responded, including those that responded
directly/privately.

In answer to some, yes, I am a current TCA member. And I appreciate getting the
website - it helped a lot.

A couple more questions:

1. When / where is the "Flyernut" meeting?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61216 From: Lee Johnson Date: 8/18/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Why not use pre cut homasote road bed from California Roadbed Co., whose web
site is http://www.homabed.com/site/890800/page/45029.


on 8/18/10 4:36 PM, wd512@... at wd512@... wrote:


I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a
few years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems
to carry it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a
substitute? I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on
horses.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61217 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: homosote
Our Lowe's and Home Depot BIG hardware stores always carry Homasote. It
is around $16-20 per sheet, but I am sorry if it is harder to come by
where you are. It is great stuff to work with...just be sure to cut it
outside! The dust lingers seemingly for centuries!

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 61218 From: Edward Musil Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
I purchased several sheets of Homosote from Home Depot earlier this year.  You
have to special order it to get it in.  I believe it costs around $25 a sheet.  
I also found out that the material that is used in construction for expansion
joints with concrete work is also Homosote and it is precut to a 4 inch width by
8' length.   Home Depot stocks this expansion material all of the time.  This
expansion material might be perfect for a roadbed with a little trimming.




________________________________
From: "wd512@..." <wd512@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 5:36:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] homosote

 
I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few
years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry
it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute? I'm
not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61219 From: Richard Falzini Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Hello,
I did a quick check on line at Home improvement, and Lowe's and they
don't carry Homosote.
Also, D.I.Y. did not have any on line either, what about using dry wall?

I think horses are fine for a temporary lay out ie. Christmas time, but if you
are really getting back into it, you may want a more sound piece of structure

Rich




________________________________
From: "wd512@..." <wd512@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 7:36:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] homosote


I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few
years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry
it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute?
I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61220 From: michael Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Hi,

Long known for its sound deadening qualities, Homosote has been used by model railroaders for years. Easy to cut and work with, it's fairly rigid and durable and holds track spikes well.

I would caution against using drywall - working with it creates a lot of nasty (and I think fairly abrasive) dust, it's fragile in small narrow pieces and it probably would amplify sound and not hold nails or spikes very well. Also, cutting it with a saw creates a ragged edge along the paper coating that's difficult to deal with.

Mike A.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I did a quick check on line at Home improvement, and Lowe's and they
> don't carry Homosote.
> Also, D.I.Y. did not have any on line either, what about using dry wall?
>
> I think horses are fine for a temporary lay out ie. Christmas time, but if you
> are really getting back into it, you may want a more sound piece of structure
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "wd512@..." <wd512@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 7:36:19 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] homosote
>
>
> I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few
> years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry
> it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute?
> I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61221 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: layout Update
Hi Mike.  We are currently in Wells , Me. on vacation.  What a perfect weather
week.   I hope you have good weather in October as well.  My brother is sending
me back to TN with some modern AF stock to put on my website - www.american
flyertrains4u.com.  I'll start promoting them on the website around Labor Day. 
Also, did you ever get your 24003 SF Boxcar?   Your layout is awesome.  Keep us
all up-to-date.  Have a great trip. 

Bob 




________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>;
Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; Steve Hoschler
<webmaster@...>; cookie flannery <cookster1030@...>;
Jeff Snell <jsnell5990@...>
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:38:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] layout Update

 
Trees have been sprouting in the town of D&K RR as I have 17 trees up around
town and I need to order another 8.

I am using the best trees already made, a one time expense from JTT trees, as
they are 4 inch high deciduous trees, and I have some 6 inch high trees, between
some plasticville stores.

Also, I got 20 crates from BTS, as Linda thinks that stands for something else,
naughty mind, and they are for the produce loading platform.

I still need to order people, but I am going to hold of that till after our trip
from Maine in October, as July was a expensive month with a new computer and a
new crown, crown number 3. Amazing how inexpensive computers are now, as I got a
very powerful unit was I do allot of music work with the computer, 8 GB of
memory.

I have two more trees to get up tonight and then I will take photos.

Table Skirt is done too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61222 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
I think what we are missing is the fact that he wants the entire top covered..... That way you can play with your track layout... That is what I did... I covered everything with 2 x 4' panels... Actually they are about 1/2" smaller and were a type of smoot ceiling tiles.... Look in this area also.... It works fine with my Rubber roadbed.... Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 8/19/10, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote:


From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:homosote
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 8:09 AM


 



Our Lowe's and Home Depot BIG hardware stores always carry Homasote. It
is around $16-20 per sheet, but I am sorry if it is harder to come by
where you are. It is great stuff to work with...just be sure to cut it
outside! The dust lingers seemingly for centuries!

Ben








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61223 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: 38 of my Gilbert Flyer cars are discounted on ebay
I have listed 38 Gilbert American Flyer cars on ebay, each discounted 20% to 50% off Greenberg book value (adjusted for condition), including a #636 pressed-wood flatcar:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280549906263&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61224 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: layout Update
________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>;
Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; Steve Hoschler
<webmaster@...>; cookie flannery <cookster1030@...>;
Jeff Snell <jsnell5990@...>
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:38:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] layout Update

 
Trees have been sprouting in the town of D&K RR as I have 17 trees up around
town and I need to order another 8.

I am using the best trees already made, a one time expense from JTT trees, as
they are 4 inch high deciduous trees, and I have some 6 inch high trees, between
some plasticville stores.

Also, I got 20 crates from BTS, as Linda thinks that stands for something else,
naughty mind, and they are for the produce loading platform.

I still need to order people, but I am going to hold of that till after our trip
from Maine in October, as July was a expensive month with a new computer and a
new crown, crown number 3. Amazing how inexpensive computers are now, as I got a
very powerful unit was I do allot of music work with the computer, 8 GB of
memory.

I have two more trees to get up tonight and then I will take photos.

Table Skirt is done too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61225 From: Michael Rector Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
I did a search for Homosote and came up with the company website. They list Menard's and many smaller lumber dealers.  Hope this helps.

--- On Thu, 8/19/10, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote:


From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] homosote
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 9:41 AM


 



Hello,
I did a quick check on line at Home improvement, and Lowe's and they
don't carry Homosote.
Also, D.I.Y. did not have any on line either, what about using dry wall?

I think horses are fine for a temporary lay out ie. Christmas time, but if you
are really getting back into it, you may want a more sound piece of structure

Rich

________________________________
From: "wd512@..." <wd512@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 7:36:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] homosote

I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few
years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry
it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute?
I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61226 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Did you check to see if they could special order you some or check with Ace or some other local hardware stores in your area?

Also someone said a dehumidifier would cost them 400 a year to run. Check you numbers again, as that sounds very high in electrical use only because, I run a townhome with AC on all the time, from May to October and I have one of the largest freezers you can buy here since 1990.

I paid 62 a month for total electric use.

Mike


From: Michael Rector
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] homosote



I did a search for Homosote and came up with the company website. They list Menard's and many smaller lumber dealers. Hope this helps.

--- On Thu, 8/19/10, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote:

From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] homosote
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 9:41 AM



Hello,
I did a quick check on line at Home improvement, and Lowe's and they
don't carry Homosote.
Also, D.I.Y. did not have any on line either, what about using dry wall?

I think horses are fine for a temporary lay out ie. Christmas time, but if you
are really getting back into it, you may want a more sound piece of structure

Rich

________________________________
From: "wd512@..." <wd512@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 7:36:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] homosote

I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few
years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry
it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute?
I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61227 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
The Lowes and Home Depots near Richmond, VA not only do not carry it, but the people who work there don't even know what it is. I worked for a local building supply after retirement. We did not stock it, but at least we knew what it was and could order it and get it in a day or two. Price show before is about right. I would try local lumber/building supply companies.

Wayne



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wd512@..." <wd512@...> wrote:
>
> I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute? I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61228 From: Scott Davidson Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's - Erie PA 1982
The Lionel/American Flyer Erie PA had a free factory issued hardware upgrade kit to improve its performance regarding the overheat problem and it also made the unit run smoother.



I received the free kit (no longer made) and sent it to Doug Peck @ portliness to do the modifications and the unit ran much better and cooler.



Here’s the URL information regarding the Erie PA from his site:



http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic18.htm



Scott Dee



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of frank emiro
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:24 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's)





I have the SF's from Lionel and they run great. I hear the one's from the Erie and prior had issues.

Frank R. EMIRO

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Brady Burdge <brady@... <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> > wrote:

From: Brady Burdge <brady@... <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> >
Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Flyer PA's)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 6:53 PM



How do the Lionel PA's stack up against Gilbert's 360/361?

Thanks

Brady Burdge

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61229 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Fw: Top Ten Songs for New Canadians
Linda listens to the CBC 2 at work, as I need to have it on when on the computer myself.

CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Company at www.cbc.ca

Click on radio then you can select any time zone, as folk, etc, is in the mornings and afternoons as classical is mid day, as I am into classical too.

So, if you are in the East, you can click on the west coast and get folk depending on the time of day.

Also, they have a link as you will see for all day singer song writer, classical, etc.

They had a survey of what 10 songs a new Canadian should have on hand.

Song number 4 was Gordon Lightfoot's Canadian RR Trilogy which was written way before his mega hits.

Neil Young, who had a part ownership in Lionel trains, came in at number 2 with any song from the LP Harvest.

The song about Winnipeg has a mention of Loonies, that is the Canadian dollar coin with the Loon on it, my favorite bird.

The song Log's Driver Waltz that goes into animation, is produced by the Canadian Film Board, hence the logo on the screen. Other neat CFB cartoons on youtube, are, The Sweater, (about hockey), The Cat that Came Back, Black Fly, and others. Just outstanding.

On the CBC they bow down to Neil every morning with a song. LOL

King Neil sounds good to me.

Mike Marmer


From: Marmer, Linda
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:11 PM
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Cc: Cormier, Micheline
Subject: Top Ten Songs for New Canadians


Here is the list voted in by CBC2 listeners:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio2/programs/2010/08/top-10-tunes-for-new-canadians-revealed.html#more

Joni beat out Neil at the last minute for #1.

Linda


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61230 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Lionel Mentioned in Book
I mentioned that I am reading a book, Railroads Triumphant, by Albro Martin, as this a book on the development of the RR lines in the 1800s, the owners, the politics, the different RR acts, rates, and so on, as this is a book I might of read for business in college about transportation.

I have gotten up to the point of where trucking is starting to come into use in the 1920s and how RRs fought back with locked, metal container for high class freight which could fit onto a flat car and then off load it at its destination onto a flatbed truck and deliver it to the consignee's loading dock.

Well, this is where I threw the book away, as this is on page 360, as I have about 60 pages left. It mentions that this caught on really well in society, that the 1931, the worst year of the depression, catalogue of Lionel electric trains proudly featured a model replica of the flatcar with its green containers.!!!

One time in the book earlier it did mention something about model trains catching on with boys (and girls) as that is how they wrote it which was good, but it did not take sides with anyone maker, especially the one who does not know how to make track right. LOL LOL

Just kidding, I will finish the book.

My next book is about Gram Parsons, of the folk/rock group The Byrd's who had a strange end to his life.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61231 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: layout Update
Hi Bob,

I know Wells, Maine very well. LOL In fact, I have been told by many Mainers I know more about your state then they do. LOL

Wells has many antique shoppes, as I mentioned this before it was in Wells, ME that got me back into AF as in 1991 we got lost coming back from the Bush Home at Walker's Point and ended up a road (Log Cabin Rd) and we passed a house that had a train shoppe in the basement, Scale Rails owned by Merle Parsons. 1991 was bad recession year and I think he just took in a load of AF from someone who probably needed money, I think. I knew nothing about AF only had two sets in storage from Childhood, the 20740 1958 set with the Hudson and a cheap 1964 Pike Master set. Without knowing what I was buying I got the five digit M%St. L diesel, the passenger cars with it, a 342 switcher, a 982 state of Maine box car, did not take the five digit one, 12b transformer, track, 3 chrome passenger cars, the 600 series, and more. Mr. Parson just had triple by pass surgery as he came down in a bathrobe due to surgery, but he was smoking his thin imported cigarettes still, as he was very thin with a pencil thin moustache, very nice made as he had a huge HO layout in a room. For many years, we would stop by he had no more AF remember us and one year, the train sign was gone replaced by a Hair Solon sign, so we knew he probably passed on. The house is across the street from the Seaside Trolley Museum, as it is one of the largest trolley museums in the states I believe.

Go up to Arundel Seafood not to far away on US 1, great place, as you order at the counter.

Also, Wells is full of antique shocks, as Doug Peck has a stall. I got many milk bottles from these shoppers.

We had up to Acadia in Maine, as we have been doing this since 1987 every October. I found some more AF last year on this trip as you never know when you fine something.

No, still looking for the box car, as last month there was a real nice one with a broken coupler, a easy fix as I think it went for 37 dollars someone told me, I had computer problems at the time.

TN is a nice state too as we have been camping in the Smoky Mountains several times before finding Maine. Do you live near or seen a Pal's Drive Through Hamburger place. Mainly in the eastern part of TN. The sculpture on the building of burgers, fries and drink is amazing.

Thanks for the compliment on the layout. I got many trees up as I have 12 more coming. I will post pictures, as the next batch of trees should be here next week, when all up, using a tripod.

Have a safe drive home, I know the way to Maine without the map anymore. LOL

Stop in Ogunquit and doe the marginal way walk. And make sure to have many Lobster rolls.

Mike


From: Bob Iannacone
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] layout Update



Hi Mike. We are currently in Wells , Me. on vacation. What a perfect weather
week. I hope you have good weather in October as well. My brother is sending
me back to TN with some modern AF stock to put on my website - www.american
flyertrains4u.com. I'll start promoting them on the website around Labor Day.
Also, did you ever get your 24003 SF Boxcar? Your layout is awesome. Keep us
all up-to-date. Have a great trip.

Bob

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>;
Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; Steve Hoschler
<webmaster@...>; cookie flannery <cookster1030@...>;
Jeff Snell <jsnell5990@...>
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:38:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] layout Update


Trees have been sprouting in the town of D&K RR as I have 17 trees up around
town and I need to order another 8.

I am using the best trees already made, a one time expense from JTT trees, as
they are 4 inch high deciduous trees, and I have some 6 inch high trees, between
some plasticville stores.

Also, I got 20 crates from BTS, as Linda thinks that stands for something else,
naughty mind, and they are for the produce loading platform.

I still need to order people, but I am going to hold of that till after our trip
from Maine in October, as July was a expensive month with a new computer and a
new crown, crown number 3. Amazing how inexpensive computers are now, as I got a
very powerful unit was I do allot of music work with the computer, 8 GB of
memory.

I have two more trees to get up tonight and then I will take photos.

Table Skirt is done too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61232 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: TNT car info needed
Does anyone out there have a part number for the activation plunger on this
car? I need to find one or make one and need a pic or illustration of it.
Anyone that could supply a close up photo of the plunger would be forever
in my debt as well. Have a very nice car with no plunger. Tried to make one
from a copper rod, but it seems to be too heavy to activate. It will
withdraw but won't pull the cocking lever in.
Steve


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61233 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: TNT car info needed
Hi Steve

I looked on portline site and found nothing you might want to e mail Tom Seccia and ask him he is a great resource person his e mail is seccia@... good luck stan
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:25 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] TNT car info needed



Does anyone out there have a part number for the activation plunger on this
car? I need to find one or make one and need a pic or illustration of it.
Anyone that could supply a close up photo of the plunger would be forever
in my debt as well. Have a very nice car with no plunger. Tried to make one
from a copper rod, but it seems to be too heavy to activate. It will
withdraw but won't pull the cocking lever in.
Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61234 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
Mark

Thanks for the information. I have an O gauge RDC that works best with a transformer with output that starts at 1 volt; CAB-1 and the TPC is a good solution here.

Do you have any experience with the Gilbert 360/361?




Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 61235 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
<< I have the SF's from Lionel and they run great. I hear the one's from the Erie and prior had issues.

Frank R. EMIRO >>


Frank

Thanks for the info. I've seen the Santa Fe's - very nice

Do you have any experience with the Gilbert 360/361?


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61236 From: sgaugian Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
AF 360 is early Gilbert production - - dual open frame pre-pulmor - - no rubberized wheels and slightly smaller field, chassis field bay, and armature windings than latter pulmor PAs (e.g. 470). Smooth running, but lacks pulling power. Aluminum 66X cars are arguably a mismatch with it and the 364. Early Lionel PA's were pulmor open-frame motor(s) - - prone to heat issues. Later production Lionel PA's have horizontal pulmor can motor(s) without flywheels adapted to open frame chassis. A 4-8114 (twin motor NP PA) for example will out pull both a 360 and 470 - vastly stonger. As mentioned earlier, the smoothest way to run Lionel PAs is with with TMCC (even more so with Legacy). A question in terms of most recent Lionel PAs - - are they now equipped with the power trucks of the latest SDs and Lionel AF NH EP5 - - three live axles (not 2), a side-frame inline gear set, and vertical can motor with flywheel? If so they will no doubt run even more smoothly and powerfully than their predecessors. I've only seen what the SDs are like and they run great. If so, with which PA did Lionel start using the latest truck? If not, I hope they soon do.
PS The latest EP5 has two most recent power trucks - - it must be able to pull the wallpaper off your house. Anyone out there have one? What's it like? Railsounds too I've heard. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61237 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/19/2010
Subject: Re: Homasote
I have used Homasote here in the very hot and humid South of Florida in
garage layouts. These areas are sometimes in AC and sometimes not. There
are big swings in environmental variables. The key thing we found was
that all sides needed to be painted with latex paint. Use the "oops"
paint available at most big box hardware stores.

If I cut it with a hand jigsaw that uses a knife blade instead of a
toothed blade, there is a lot less of that awful dust. Homasote is made
from old newspapers rather than from pulpwood. The dust may even have
tiny editorials or movie reviews hidden in it if you can rearrange it
properly.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 61238 From: michael prell Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
There's only one place in the Syracuse New York area that carries the stuff that I'm aware of. Cost is about $40.00 a sheet. Must be a regional thing. There was a time that everyone carried it who sold lumber or construction supplies. Have you considered contacting the manufacturer?
A very tired Syracuse BullDog


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 8/19/10, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote:


From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: homosote
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:53 PM


 



The Lowes and Home Depots near Richmond, VA not only do not carry it, but the people who work there don't even know what it is. I worked for a local building supply after retirement. We did not stock it, but at least we knew what it was and could order it and get it in a day or two. Price show before is about right. I would try local lumber/building supply companies.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wd512@..." <wd512@...> wrote:
>
> I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute? I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.
>











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61239 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: TNT car info needed
Hi Steve,
A PA or XA number is not available for the coil or plunger for the 25057 or 25062.  I believe the plunger or activator must be made of steel to pull through the coil.  Brass or copper will not work.  A great photo of this coil is in Bob Hannon's book on page 4-14.  This page has all the measures your will need to make the plunger.
� Tom Seccia

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From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TNT car info needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:40 PM







 









Hi Steve



I looked on portline site and found nothing you might want to e mail Tom Seccia and ask him he is a great resource person his e mail is seccia@... good luck stan

----- Original Message -----

From: boss31@...

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:25 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] TNT car info needed



Does anyone out there have a part number for the activation plunger on this

car? I need to find one or make one and need a pic or illustration of it.

Anyone that could supply a close up photo of the plunger would be forever

in my debt as well. Have a very nice car with no plunger. Tried to make one

from a copper rod, but it seems to be too heavy to activate. It will

withdraw but won't pull the cocking lever in.

Steve



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61240 From: michael prell Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
As a follow up, Try http://www.homasote.com/. Good luck.
Mike

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 8/19/10, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote:


From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: homosote
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:53 PM


 



The Lowes and Home Depots near Richmond, VA not only do not carry it, but the people who work there don't even know what it is. I worked for a local building supply after retirement. We did not stock it, but at least we knew what it was and could order it and get it in a day or two. Price show before is about right. I would try local lumber/building supply companies.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wd512@..." <wd512@...> wrote:
>
> I am planning to set up my old American Flyer set that has been down for a few years. I was going to put homosote on top of plywood, but no one seems to carry it in stock. Any suggestions where to get it in the midwest or a substitute? I'm not particularly handy, so I was just going to put it up on horses.
>











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61241 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Want to trade S Helper wheel sets
Hi gang,

I have over 20 sets (that's 80 axles) of "SCALE" S Helper wheels on axles that I would like to trade with someone for an equal number of "Hi Rail" wheels sets.

I would like to exchange at least 10 sets at a time to make the shipping reasonable but will consider smaller amounts also.

Contact me off list at manderman@... to arrange a swap....

Thanks

Mark Anderman


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61242 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
<< AF 360 is early Gilbert production - - dual open frame pre-pulmor - - no rubberized wheels and slightly smaller field, chassis field bay, and armature windings than latter pulmor PAs (e.g. 470). Smooth running, but lacks pulling power. Aluminum 66X cars are arguably a mismatch with it and the 364. >>

Sgaugian

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. The 360 isn't on my current wish list, but after I get the layout built...who knows...


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61243 From: wd512@att.net Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: homosote
None of the big boxes or others nearby carry homosote in stock, you have to special order. Personally, I would rather see the product AFTER it has travelled 8000 miles.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61244 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
http://www.homasote.com/WhereToBuy/

Not sure who is looking for homasote, but did you use google to search for the company website, as they have a link on where to find it?

The internet, especially Google is a very good tool to use in looking for any information on anything.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61245 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Only SHS 2-8-0 B&O left
1. AM Pacific sold

1. Cat # 01053 2-8-0 Baltomore and Ohio Consolidated Steam
Locomotive, S-HI SCALE
· No more than 10 hours of operation.
· Ecellent excellent condition in original packaging
· A F compatible
· Award-winning detal
· AF compatible, Locomatic Sound including bell, whistle, bell,
chug and other operating sounds.
NOW ONLY $400 plus postage and insurance(REQUIRED)


PLEASE RESPOND OFFLINE


Jack Riely
Member NASG

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61246 From: George Cohn Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
On 8/20/2010 8:22 AM, wd512@... wrote:
>
> None of the big boxes or others nearby carry homosote in stock,

Try a *real* lumberyard and not a big box store. We still have a couple
in town and I find that they can get wood products that just get a
"what's that?" from the usual big box stores.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61247 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
If you don't have your heart set on Homasote, you might want to look into Hushboard, a Georgia-Pacific product. It is a non-structural, low-density building panel used behind drywall or flooring to dampen sound from one room to another. I believe the panels I saw were 4X8, and I think that was at Homers. Not sure if they still carry it or not. For train lay-outs, i would think it would serve the same purpose as Homasote. I've also just heard it referred to as "sound board".
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:08:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:homosote






http://www.homasote.com/WhereToBuy/

Not sure who is looking for homasote, but did you use google to search for the company website, as they have a link on where to find it?

The internet, especially Google is a very good tool to use in looking for any information on anything.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61248 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/20/2010
Subject: Additions to the Displays Websites and a query
I just wanted to let you know that two new sections have been added to
the displays website, www.americanflyerdisplays.org . Both are related
to the Boys' Railroad Club videos. One of the two sections is devoted
to the 2nd Floor Hall of Science layout as featured in the Boys'
Railroad Club video and the other is devoted to the studio layout used
in that production. I have been grabbing frames from the Boys' Railroad
Club video, courtesy of John Huster, to illustrate these sections. It
is amazing what you can see in a still clip, that just whizzes by on the
screen when you view the video. Which brings me to my question.

In one frame of the video, one of the boys is at the control panel that
is adjacent to the elevated portion of the studio layout, an area that
was typically used for a loop of HO track or display of buildings. In
that frame, there is clearly a circle of track, which looks very much
like HO. To see that frame go to
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/brc/brchtm/at_controls.htm

I would be very interested in your thoughts about that frame and what
you see in it. I think it is a loop of HO track, which argues that the
layout was not created specifically for the production of the TV
program, as HO is not featured in it. If it had been specifically
created for the program, why put in a loop of HO track? That leads to
the question of whether or not this layout was used elsewhere, either
before or after the production of the program. I don't think it is the
Sibley department store layout, as Clay Buckage has found several
differences between the BRC layout and his restored layout.

Any thoughts?

Dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 61249 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Hi Group

I've been on the road so I don't know if it has been posted yet, but there is a company in California that specializes in homaspte roadbed for trains. He does all sizes and different angles of the roadbed as well as pads for turnouts. They also made the roadbed for SHS flex track. The website is www.homabed.com/. I have had good luck with the product and it sure beats sawing that awful dusty messy board.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 61250 From: michael prell Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: Re: homosote
Just a little correction here. It's HOMASOTE.  Easy mistake.


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Fri, 8/20/10, wd512@... <wd512@...> wrote:


From: wd512@... <wd512@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:homosote
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 11:22 AM


 





None of the big boxes or others nearby carry homosote in stock, you have to special order. Personally, I would rather see the product AFTER it has travelled 8000 miles.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61251 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/22/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday August 22, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 14 minutes.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61252 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/21/2010
Subject: Flyer T-Shirts
Group: S-Trains Message: 61253 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 8/22/2010
Subject: "S"acramento Convention.......A family affair in 2011
Folks...

The joint NASG/NMRA convention is slowly taking shape. Listed below are
some of the outside events/tours being planned and/or contemplated for the
entire family. There is more to life than just trains! Just ask your wife.
Click here for the official web site of the convention:

http://www.x2011west.com/index.html

Jelly Belly factory tour

Walking tour of Donner Summit including tunnels and the Chinese wall

Cooking class conducted by a famous chef, tour of kitchen (The Grange
restaurant), and a gormet lunch

Cardboard box factory tour

Charles Schultz (of Peanuts fame) Museum

Luther Burbank (botany) Museum

Ladies Bingo Night

Sacramento dinner train and murder mystery drama

Customized tour of gold rush country

Winery tour and a meal on the Napa Wine Train

Sierra Pacific lumber mill tour

Fireworks at the California State Fairgrounds

Fireworks at the local minor league baseball game

Steam ride at Jamestown, California tour

Plus many more railroad-oriented events and tours not listed here

Time now to begin planning for next year's big RR convention.

"S"ee you in Sacramento...Ed Loizeaux
Group: S-Trains Message: 61254 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/22/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/22/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday August 22, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61255 From: charlie and edith Date: 8/23/2010
Subject: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Greetings! Am reworking the Gilbert 360 with new wireing, brushes, brush springs,bearing straps and rebushed trucks. My goal being, to maintain as much orginality as possible and still be able to pull the three 66X passenger cars while minimizing motor heat. In this regard, has anyone tried Tom Barker"s suggestion of rewinding the field with 26 guage wire to increase power and lessen the build-up of heat ....and what was the outcome? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61256 From: Brady Date: 8/23/2010
Subject: Flyer Hump Yard
Does anyone have any experience with the 784, or a hump yard with Flyer equipment?

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1955Catalog/AF_1955_catalog_page26.htm

The 784 may not be common, but the components are and it's an interesting idea


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61257 From: sgaugian Date: 8/23/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert vs. Lionel Flyer PA's (was Repowering Lionel/American Fl
You're welcome Brady. One other note - - Gilbert diesels are prone to
axle hole wear. Lionel improved to some extent on that design by
inserting brass bushings. Can motors run cooler than open frame mootors
so the combination helps Lionel diesel chassis to last longer (assuming
proper lubrication). The bushings are replacable although not as robust
as those used when a Gilbert chassis is rebushed by SnS, for example
(who do a very nice job BTW).


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
>
> << AF 360 is early Gilbert production - - dual open frame pre-pulmor -
- no rubberized wheels and slightly smaller field, chassis field bay,
and armature windings than latter pulmor PAs (e.g. 470). Smooth running,
but lacks pulling power. Aluminum 66X cars are arguably a mismatch with
it and the 364. >>
>
> Sgaugian
>
> Thanks, that's what I was looking for. The 360 isn't on my current
wish list, but after I get the layout built...who knows...
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61258 From: rj4010d Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Charlie, I have rewound 4 or 5 of the small motors & it MOST CERTAINLY HELPS!! I have a PA that I run on our club layout that has 1 motor rewound & the other is oringinal.Give it the old cheek test, the rewound is cool & the oringanal will put a red spot on your cheek!
Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings! Am reworking the Gilbert 360 with new wireing, brushes, brush springs,bearing straps and rebushed trucks. My goal being, to maintain as much orginality as possible and still be able to pull the three 66X passenger cars while minimizing motor heat. In this regard, has anyone tried Tom Barker"s suggestion of rewinding the field with 26 guage wire to increase power and lessen the build-up of heat ....and what was the outcome? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61259 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
I built one from bits awhile back, it worked out fine using the gradient Gilbert recommended. Construction on a 12x14 S and O train table starts soon, and I will be doing the hump again- John Marganski
























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61260 From: sscalemn Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: E-unit StickIng
This probably has already been discussed at length but it is a conversation I missed. I have dis-assembled e-units, cleaned moving pieces, re-assembled and lubricated the pivot joint on the prawl assembly. This always help but usually does not eliminate the AF sticking E-unit issue. Any fool-proof methods out there?

Walt J
Group: S-Trains Message: 61261 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Frosty Bar
http://www.tacobarwashingtonian.com/

Rumors have it that the Frosty Bar on my layout might will soon become Taco Bar.

Stay tuned to see if Hugo and Che pull this one off.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61262 From: MikeS Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
Brady - How interesting. Had not noticed that befor.

Mike Spanier

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the 784, or a hump yard with Flyer equipment?
>
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1955Catalog/AF_1955_catalog_page26.htm
>
> The 784 may not be common, but the components are and it's an interesting idea
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61263 From: Carey Probst Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: E-unit StickIng
The only foolproof method I found and used before moving was
conversion to DC and replacing the e-unit with a diode bridge.

Never fails, never sticks and cheap, but not for the collector purest.

Next layout will be DCC though.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 8/23/2010 10:15 PM, sscalemn wrote:
>
> This probably has already been discussed at length but it is a
> conversation I missed. I have dis-assembled e-units, cleaned moving
> pieces, re-assembled and lubricated the pivot joint on the prawl
> assembly. This always help but usually does not eliminate the AF
> sticking E-unit issue. Any fool-proof methods out there?
>
> Walt J
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61264 From: sgaugian Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Bob, is the only difference that you rewound the field in one with 26
gauge wire and not the other? Thanks.
" 1 motor rewound & the other is original..the rewound is cool & the
original will put a red spot on your cheek!"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61265 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: Re: E-unit StickIng
Walt,
     If you have noticed, the older E units (in cab style) usually don't stick when cleaned properly but the newer ones do. A very simple observation is that the older style ones have a heavier pan.
     We have added a slight more weight to the under side of the pan and they work properly and do not seam to stick under normal operation when cleaned and lubed properly.
     Hope this helps.
Dave
LBR Restorations U.S.A.

--- On Mon, 8/23/10, sscalemn <sscale@...> wrote:


From: sscalemn <sscale@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] E-unit StickIng
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 10:15 PM


 



This probably has already been discussed at length but it is a conversation I missed. I have dis-assembled e-units, cleaned moving pieces, re-assembled and lubricated the pivot joint on the prawl assembly. This always help but usually does not eliminate the AF sticking E-unit issue. Any fool-proof methods out there?

Walt J











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61266 From: Rhett George Date: 8/24/2010
Subject: E-unit StickIng
- GreetingS -

Walt J has asked a great question. Having done all the right mechanical
things to the reversing relay, why does one or another continue to stick?

My experience has been that there is the chance for residual magnetism
in the solenoid core and the armature. Enough flux lines remain once
physical contact between solenoid iron and the armature is achieved to
hold the armature against the pull of gravity. I have had some luck by
sticking a piece of masking tape to one piece or the other. Do not have
adhesive showing on both sides of the tape. Now a small air gap results
when the relay pulls in and a reduction in flux lines occurs. Gravity
now has a better chance to cause the armature to drop.

Hope this helps. CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 61267 From: rj4010d Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 360 Rehab
Yes, The # 26 wire. Bob

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote:
>
>
> Bob, is the only difference that you rewound the field in one with 26
> gauge wire and not the other? Thanks.
> " 1 motor rewound & the other is original..the rewound is cool & the
> original will put a red spot on your cheek!"
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61268 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
<< I built one from bits awhile back, it worked out fine using the
gradient Gilbert recommended. >>

John

What was the height and grade?

Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61269 From: michael prell Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar
"Rumors have it that the Frosty Bar on my layout might will soon become Taco Bar"
 There goes the neighborhood!   {;>}
Prell from "S"-yracuse
Break out the Katana's, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 8/23/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Frosty Bar
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Hoschler" <webmaster@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:01 PM


 



http://www.tacobarwashingtonian.com/

Rumors have it that the Frosty Bar on my layout might will soon become Taco Bar.

Stay tuned to see if Hugo and Che pull this one off.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61270 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: E-unit StickIng
One of our website AF Repair Clinics deals with this, and offers several
different suggestions. It is very rare that we can't get an e-unit to
operate satisfactorily by one of these methods.



<<<This probably has already been discussed at length but it is a
conversation I missed. I have dis-assembled e-units, cleaned moving
pieces, re-assembled and lubricated the pivot joint on the prawl
assembly. This always help but usually does not eliminate the AF
sticking E-unit issue. Any fool-proof methods out there?>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
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Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61271 From: charlie and edith Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: 360 Gilbert Rehab
Bob, did you notice a increase in "pulling power" on the rewound motor? Did you rewind both the armature and the field or just the field? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in WMI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61272 From: rj4010d Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: 360 Gilbert Rehab
Charlie, Much more pulling power at all speeds.I have just rewound the fields with # 26 wire.Must keep wire taunt when you are wrapping to get it to lay around the field properly.It is well worth the time doing it.
Good luck!
Bob G.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Bob, did you notice a increase in "pulling power" on the rewound motor? Did you rewind both the armature and the field or just the field? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in WMI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61273 From: richs009 Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
Brady -- More than a few years ago, I got one of these as a kid... As you say, its made up of common components. The hump is the first four (I think) trestles of the AF trestle set (well, 8, four up and four down). The set itself was as pictured in the link you provide below and the uncoupler was placed just at the beginning of the 'downslope' of the hump. My vague recollection is that it worked as intended, though it was always good to use cars that rolled well. And you had to be a bit deft at using the uncoupler so you didn't cause any extra drag on the car. I don't recall ever trying it with more than one switch.

- Rich


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the 784, or a hump yard with Flyer equipment?
>
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1955Catalog/AF_1955_catalog_page26.htm
>
> The 784 may not be common, but the components are and it's an interesting idea
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61274 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Great Big Sea and trains
http://www.greatbigsea.com/karaokecontest/

Great Big Sea is folk group from Newfoundland, Canada, as they are having a Karaoke Contest for contestants to win prizes, of course, using three songs from their latest CD, Safe Upon The Shore.

One of the video's, as there are 10 video's to vote on, has a train in it as it would be the song, Good People, and th video with them singing, is Daniel and Maurette Foster using puppets, as one line in the song, repeated through out the song "right around the corner, at the end of the line" as there is a scene of a train coming around the corner, with a puppet in a gondola, Union Pacific, as the diesel is a Santa Fe. You would think they would of used a CN or CP item. LOL

The video is nicely done as so are the others, wonderful voices, as there is some acting in many of them.

Hit The Ground and Run is about a shotgun wedding and the first two video's are nicely down, as so is the one done by two sisters in wedding dresses with signs.

Nothing But A Song, was written when the two lead singers in this group had a fight, verbal, as they have been together as a group since 1993 as in one video, the kids singing have shirts with 1993 on them, and the last video has a bit of acting in that respect, as they are brothers.

The actual songs in full are to your upper right. We have seen Great Big Sea 4 times now, 2 times this year, as we discovered them in 2008. We where so taken by them, we had to get all 10 CDs and the 2 DVDs.

I think I have allot of knowledge about AF trains, but folk music is a big passion of mine, and this group is probably Linda's and mine big favorite right now.

We just saw them at Wolftrappe, a outdoor venue with seating for about 5000, as you have never seen so many people going nuts over a band, like this.

But anyway, thought I would share the link with the video of the train scene.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61275 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/25/2010
Subject: Great Big Sea with another mention of a train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxip-QDvv_0&feature=search

Tell the girl
It's a wide and wondrous world
Room enough to leave a life your hating
The highway runs both ways
And there's seat's left on the train
If you take it to the station, I'll be waiting

One more mention of Great Big Sea, as I have been checking youtube this week for video from the Wolftrappe concert as this song was posted today, as it is from the new CD.

It has a verse in it that mentions a train, as it starts at the 1:30 mark on the video.

By the way, we where that close to the stage, five rows back, to the singers, left, Alan, as if you looked at any of the videos, the two girls with the sign "Alan Flip" you will see this in the song of his hair.

This song was co-written by Alan and Russell Crowe, the actor from Robin Hood, as Alan was a troubadour in the movie. he had a beard.

Anyway, this is folk music, LOL, not your typical folk music from the 50s and 60s.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61276 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 8/26/2010
Subject: Train song video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWnQPrrWpk&feature=fvst

Sorry for another song, but I am reading a book about a Gram Parsons, who I do not know much about, as he was a member of the Byrd's, folk-rock group, of the 1960s, who wrote Eight Miles High, a classic song, and believe it or not, it was Tim Flannery, 3rd base coach for the San Francisco Giants, who happened to be a very good musicians with 10 CDs of his own, was telling me a bit about Gram and what books to get on his life as I email him from time to time. Gram died in 1973 as I was 18.

So as I am reading this book, I wanted to hear some of his songs, and one is called Wheels, as he wanted to tour the states on a train the notes below the video says. But there are some great pictures of trains, in the steam era as well as some older shots of diesel engines.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61277 From: Richard Karnes Date: 8/27/2010
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
All --

The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from Sunday August
29 through Saturday September 4, 2010.

Dick Karnes, Librarian
Russell M. Mobley Memorial L:ibrary
NASG Inc.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61278 From: Thorinn Marty Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: Off topic -- fix toaster oven
Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:
I have a toaster oven where the bottom wire has come off the socket for
the lower element. How does one reattach this? Normal solder has a melting
point that is far too low. The element glows red hot when it works. To fix it
I can not use my torch: its huge blast will melt everything else.

Off line replies are probably better to not raise the wrath of the moderators

Thank you,
Thorin
Milwaukee, WI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61279 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/29/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61280 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer Hump Yard
<< My vague recollection is that it worked as intended, though it was
always good to use cars that rolled well. And you had to be a bit deft
at using the uncoupler so you didn't cause any extra drag on the car. I
don't recall ever trying it with more than one switch.- Rich >>

Rich

Thanks for the info. Years ago I visited an HO layout in Dayton Ohio
that had a hump yard, the model "retarters" to slow the cars were static
but their function was performed by the operator using compressed air
jets located between the tracks. I guess the Flyer uncoupler can double
as a retarder!

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61281 From: Brady Date: 8/28/2010
Subject: #35 Brakeman
I ordered a couple of the reproductions from Port Lines

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/821101864


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61282 From: Thorinn Marty Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Off topic -- fix toaster oven FIXED!
I wish to thank all that responded to my question: how do you connect broken
wires inside a toaster?

I took an 18 - 22 gauge but-end, crimp connector and removed its insulation.
Then I crimped it into place. It makes a very nice piece of cinnamon toast,
properly browned on both sides.

Several people wanted to know why I bothered? Because I believe all 'stuff'
should be allowed at least once chance.

In about 2002 I purchased a toaster oven. It then sat, in storage, for six
months while work was done to the house. I plugged it in and the toaster timer
did not work. I contacted the company. "We don't repair anymore. Cut off the
cord and send it back to us." A couple of weeks later another toaster oven
showed up. This one's bottom elements did not work. Another cord back to them
for a third toaster oven.

This one worked and continues to give yeoman service.

So what about the other two? They lived in the basement, taking up space.
Finally, this weekend, I opened them. The elder has a completely different
timer. Open the door and it keeps toasting. I tinkered for about 10 minutes,
recovered a half-dozen screws and scrapped it.

The middle one is identical to the current one. I like it. It is safer. Open
the door and it cuts the power. This releases an electromagnet halting toasting
and moving the knob back to the 'push her to start toasting' position. I
discovered the wire was not attached to the lower heating element. How to
connect this? I can't use my standard solder. I expect this goes well above
800 degrees F. Crimp connectors are the answer. I now have two, working
toaster ovens. As a plus, this one now has a grounded, three-wire cord.

As soon as it cools off, I will put it back into its box and then ask the wife
what do do with it. (She is vacationing in NC with my daughter. Don't have
sympathy for me. I got to go to NMRA National in Milwaukee and NASG National in
Duluth.)

I now return us to our normally scheduled subjects.
Thorin




________________________________
From: Edward Musil <barnabusxx@...>
To: lagthor@...
Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 3:55:45 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off topic -- fix toaster oven


Hi Thorin,
I have fixed this type of heating element by crimping the wire to the heating
element with a metal lug. Obviously the metal lug must not have any insulation
on it as it will melt and burn. Crimp the wire first into the lug and then
crimp the lug into the heating element. If all goes well it only takes about 2
minutes to fix it. I found the metal lugs at the local hardware store. The
type of lug I used was the type that connects two wires together and was large
enough to slip over the heating element. I used regular crimping type pliers to
make a good solid connection.
Good Luck!
Ed Musil




________________________________
From: Thorinn Marty <lagthor@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 7:48:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic -- fix toaster oven


Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:
I have a toaster oven where the bottom wire has come off the socket for
the lower element. How does one reattach this? Normal solder has a melting
point that is far too low. The element glows red hot when it works. To fix it
I can not use my torch: its huge blast will melt everything else.

Off line replies are probably better to not raise the wrath of the moderators

Thank you,
Thorin
Milwaukee, WI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61283 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/29/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday August 29, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61284 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: York dates
Folks, I need to know what the dates are for York for this Fall and next Spring to start putting together my winter schedule of events for train and car shows, and another possible Spring trip.
Thanks...Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61285 From: acgilbertguy Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Re: York dates
Stumpy, York date this fall is 14-16 October, 2010. Spring date is 14-16 April, 2011. Dates indicated are for the TCA Eastern Division meets at the York fairgrounds. Shows at the motels and firehouses are earlier in the week. Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Folks, I need to know what the dates are for York for this Fall and next Spring to start putting together my winter schedule of events for train and car shows, and another possible Spring trip.
> Thanks...Stumpy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61286 From: Bob C Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Display Your Railroad On Tour #22 - November 20 (Southern California
Why not show your railroad to other model railroaders?

Model Railroads Of Southern California will sponsor another free, self-guided layout tour on Saturday, November 20. This will be our twenty-second tour.

If you live in the following cities and have an operating layout you are invited to display your layout on this tour:

Alta Loma
Arcadia
Charter Oak
Claremont
Etiwanda
Fontana
Guasti
Irwindale
La Puente
La Verne
Mira Loma
Montclair
Ontario
Pomona
Rancho Cucamonga
Rialto
San Dimas
Upland

The usual format will apply, that is, the tour will be self-guided and free, and I'll provide the publicity, schedules and maps.

If you are interested in having your layout on this tour, please contact me OFF LIST at thecitrusbelt@....

If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please feel free to contact me. I hope you'll join with other area layout owners and show your layout to your fellow model railroaders.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Model Railroads Of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/

P.S.: Don't forget to attend Layout Tour #21 in the San Luis Obispo area (Oct. 7-11) and Layout Tour #23 in Southern California (February 18, 19 & 20, 2011).
Group: S-Trains Message: 61287 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/29/2010
Subject: Brakeman in Action
I was checking the Flyer Displays website for updates and noticed Mr.
Brakeman was on the rear of several freights at the Gilbert Hall of
Science layout

http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos_images/buckage/rightendGHOS.jpg
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos_images/buckage/leftendGHOS.jpg

American Flyer Displays website
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61288 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/30/2010
Subject: Re: Brakeman in Action
Brady,

Thanks for catching that one with your sharp eye. I did notice them,
but didn't realize that they were an actual Gilbert produced accessory.
It is amazing what you can see on a blowup of the Buckage photos.
Looking at the right end photo again, I also noticed that the Northern
stopped at the elevated station is poised for a "cornfield meet" with
the Hudson passenger train approaching the Erector girder bridge from
the other side, with no siding between them to save them.

I have been away for a while with out of town guests, but I will be
getting busy on the site soon. Watch the "What's new" tab as I plan
to outline my plans for future additions. Suggestions are always
welcome, so we can make this an S community website.

Dale

On 8/29/2010 4:31 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> I was checking the Flyer Displays website for updates and noticed Mr.
> Brakeman was on the rear of several freights at the Gilbert Hall of
> Science layout
>
> http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos_images/buckage/rightendGHOS.jpg
> http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos_images/buckage/leftendGHOS.jpg
>
> American Flyer Displays website
> http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61289 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/30/2010
Subject: Re: York dates
In a message dated 8/29/2010 8:03:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
milepost407@... writes:

Stumpy, York date this fall is 14-16 October, 2010. Spring date is 14-16
April, 2011. Dates indicated are for the TCA Eastern Division meets at the
York fairgrounds. Shows at the motels and firehouses are earlier in the
week. Rich

PLEASE do not forget the activities at NTTM in Strasburg, PA on Wednesday
the 13th, Fall & Spring.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61290 From: acgilbertguy Date: 8/30/2010
Subject: Re: York dates
Good point Jim. I also should have mentioned the "Flyer Nut" Meeting on Thursday, 8:30pm at the Reliance Fire Hall, 1341 W. Market St., York, PA.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
> >
> PLEASE do not forget the activities at NTTM in Strasburg, PA on Wednesday
> the 13th, Fall & Spring.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61291 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
Even real trains have problems, as we are headed up to Maine on 9-30 for our annual 17 days in Maine.

I have been on this before, as it closed down once and it looks like it has new owners now.

Mike Marmer

Belfast & Moosehead Lake Railway's Excursion Rates and Schedules



BPS is proud to announce the following Train Schedule for 2010.

The Saturday 8/28 trains have been cancelled. We're waiting for parts to complete our locomotive maintenance which should be completed this weekend.
Season runs from May 29 to October 9


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61292 From: charlie and edith Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: 360 Dieael Parts
Greetings Steve! Going to try a field rewind for both motors so....need a yoke with the C ring top (motor mount assembly), a non-working field to practice on, a working armature in the range of 2.3 or2.4 and a solid drive wheel (non insulated). A cost and shipping and I wil get a check sent out. Thanks and best wishes! Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61293 From: paflyrman Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
I have posted in my "paflyrman" photo album a photo of a recently acquired 566 whistling billboard. The red war bonnet on the front of the SF alco diesel seems to have been removed or faded away, although non of the other colors seem faded, particularly the yellow outline. Does anyone know anything about this being done, or has it been seen before on other billboards?

Herb
Group: S-Trains Message: 61294 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Plastic Ville Tollbooth
While watching the 10 o'clock news last night there was a story about the Mexico/US border and they where showing a new looking border station, that really looked like a Plasticville tollbooth and on the roof in big letters, it had MEXICO on it in the colors of the Mexican flag.

Little Linda started to laugh as she said to me tthat looks like your Plasticville toll booth on your layout but it has Mexico on it. Then she really laughs and said I should put Mexico my tollbooth.

Now you have to realize this is not the norm for someone who got straight A's, just about in high school, college and then got a masters degree and is usually very proper about things in the world.

For shame on her. LOL I have corrupted her very well over the years.

Hugo likes that idea. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61295 From: willhhj Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010 -- BANQUET SPEAKER ANNOUNCEMENT
The speaker for the closing banquet of the Fall S Fest 2010 will be Mike Schafer.

Mike is a life-long railfan and model railroader. Born and raised in Rockford, Illinois, Mike attended Northern Illinois University. After graduation in 1971, he has spent his career in railroad publishing. From his initial employment at Kalmbach Publishing he has moved through several positions to where he is today, employed by White River Productions. In addition to his primary responsibility as editor of the Passenger Train Journal, The Milwaukee Railroader and The Diamond, he collaborates on other publications. His expertise in passenger railroading and Chicago area rails puts him in demand as both an author and photographer. He travels extensively photographing railroad subjects nationwide.

The primary subject of his presentation on the banquet program will be the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railroad, Chicago's most recent "Fallen Flag." The "J" became part of the Class I Canadian National at the start of 2009. The December 2009 issue of Railroads Illustrated featured his photography on the cover and in support of his article, "E J & E Recall." Over half of that issue of the magazine covered "Chicago's Outer Belt" (the Fall S Fest 2010 meet cars are special run E J & E 40' 1937 A R A box cars in two distinctive paint schemes).

As for Mike's model railroading, his start came with an American Flyer S gauge train set for Christmas in 1953. He continued with his American Flyer until 1963 when he switched to HO scale. In 1985, his interest in American Flyer was revived and added S back into his practice of model trains. His HO Illinois and St. Louis is a double deck layout covering over 1,600 square feet. He regularly participates in Flyer Fest (not to be confused with Fall S Fest) events with S friends. Flyer Fest involves building large, temporary layouts in participant's homes or offices over a weekend. These layouts have had main lines as long as 1,000 feet and can operate up to a dozen trains at one time, with more waiting on numerous sidings ready to take the main.

Besides the comments on the "J," Mike will include some Flyer Fest recollections at the banquet presentation.

For additional information on the Fall S Fest 2010, contact the registrar, Joel Lebovitz at 847-212-3541 (evenings/weekends) or Will Holt at 630-881-9035 or 224-484-8736; the web site for the Fest is www.fallsfest.net.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61296 From: A Lhama Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: New join - About me.
My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
I'm from Brazil - South America,
Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad modeler. life is good! isn't it?
I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a model.
My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase that gauge!
My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the option most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.

Thank You all,
Antonio Carlos
Group: S-Trains Message: 61297 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: 360 Dieael Parts
In a message dated 9/1/2010 9:18:48 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
charlieandedith@... writes:

Greetings Steve! Going to try a field rewind for both motors so....need a
yoke with the C ring top (motor mount assembly), a non-working field to
practice on, a working armature in the range of 2.3 or2.4 and a solid drive
wheel (non insulated). Don't understand "solid drive wheel". A cost and
shipping and I will get a check sent out. Thanks and best wishes! Charlie in W
MI
Yoke....$6....Armature $20....Field $5....Solid drive wheel $???
Shipping $5




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61298 From: Jerry Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
Herb,

The color red is very prone to fading. Much more than any other color. Is it due to UV rays? Don't know. But you can see it on posters, photos, illustrations and most notably on red cars in sunny areas of the country. Here in Michigan, not so much... ;>)

The 566 I have is faded like that also, but if originality isn't important to you, repro's of the sign are available.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <hblanier@...> wrote:
>
> I have posted in my "paflyrman" photo album a photo of a recently acquired 566 whistling billboard. The red war bonnet on the front of the SF alco diesel seems to have been removed or faded away, although non of the other colors seem faded, particularly the yellow outline. Does anyone know anything about this being done, or has it been seen before on other billboards?
>
> Herb
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61299 From: Larry Moore Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Antonio, When playing with trains, Life is good. You are wise to consider
"S" Gauge for your layout. There is an abundant wealth of knowledge in this
group, and all are willing to share, in order to promote interest in "S"
Gauge modeling. Welcome to the group, and do not hesitate to start asking
questions. Larry Moore in Western North Carolina, USA.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of A Lhama
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:28 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New join - About me.





My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
I'm from Brazil - South America,
Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad modeler.
life is good! isn't it?
I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a model.
My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase that
gauge!
My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the option
most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.

Thank You all,
Antonio Carlos





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61300 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Apples
Most of you know that I made the apples that are on the layout in crates and on the ground below the apple trees.

While cleaning up the floor, as spiders get in, and nest along the baseboards, I clean up the nest,, as I found a few apples in the nest.

Seems to the spiders, they look real to them to eat.

So, if I can fool a spider, I can fool anyone with my home made apples.

never did get the bee hives up yet. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61301 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Antonio,

Welcome to the group


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61302 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Hi, and welcome to S trains.
 
There are more than one ways to go with S. I myself  have and play with O gauge and American Flyer S gauge trains. If you like standard gauge and Scale trains American models and S-helper are 2 compainrs you should look into they have a lot to offer. If you like tinplate trains the gilbert produced American flyer trains are the way to go. Not sure who makes narrow gauge in S but it has a following as well as any other gauge and scale combanation. I also have On30 which is O scale that runs on HO track something to think about if you want larger scale and limited on space. By the way 20' x 16' is more than alot of us have my table is 10' x 16.5' long. In your given space I would sugest you do an around the wall shelf type layout.
 


--- On Wed, 9/1/10, A Lhama <acgs1306@...> wrote:


From: A Lhama <acgs1306@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] New join - About me.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:27 AM


 



My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
I'm from Brazil - South America,
Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad modeler. life is good! isn't it?
I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a model.
My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase that gauge!
My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the option most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.

Thank You all,
Antonio Carlos








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61303 From: robert hendrickson Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Plastic Ville Tollbooth
Mike,
 
If you change the toll booth sign to Mexico you'll have to change the Frosty Bar to a taco stand and S Helper field to a bull fight arena...OLE!  Wait, there is a Mexico NY.
 
Bob


--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Plastic Ville Tollbooth
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "John Picur" <jppicur@...>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <webmaster@...>, "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>, "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Christena Dilello" <tldilelo@...>, "John (PCA) Niehaus" <pca@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:50 PM


 



While watching the 10 o'clock news last night there was a story about the Mexico/US border and they where showing a new looking border station, that really looked like a Plasticville tollbooth and on the roof in big letters, it had MEXICO on it in the colors of the Mexican flag.

Little Linda started to laugh as she said to me tthat looks like your Plasticville toll booth on your layout but it has Mexico on it. Then she really laughs and said I should put Mexico my tollbooth.

Now you have to realize this is not the norm for someone who got straight A's, just about in high school, college and then got a masters degree and is usually very proper about things in the world.

For shame on her. LOL I have corrupted her very well over the years.

Hugo likes that idea. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61304 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Welcome Antonio. S is the perfect size. Have fun
Steve.....Boise, Idaho


In a message dated 9/1/2010 2:40:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
acgs1306@... writes:




My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
I'm from Brazil - South America,
Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad modeler.
life is good! isn't it?
I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a model.
My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase
that gauge!
My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the
option most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.

Thank You all,
Antonio Carlos





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61305 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
I have a 982 State of Maine Box car as one side of the car, the red is not a orange, but in between a orange and a red, the other side is fine, the side with the faded red, the rest of the side is fine.

Mike


From: Jerry
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard



Herb,

The color red is very prone to fading. Much more than any other color. Is it due to UV rays? Don't know. But you can see it on posters, photos, illustrations and most notably on red cars in sunny areas of the country. Here in Michigan, not so much... ;>)

The 566 I have is faded like that also, but if originality isn't important to you, repro's of the sign are available.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <hblanier@...> wrote:
>
> I have posted in my "paflyrman" photo album a photo of a recently acquired 566 whistling billboard. The red war bonnet on the front of the SF alco diesel seems to have been removed or faded away, although non of the other colors seem faded, particularly the yellow outline. Does anyone know anything about this being done, or has it been seen before on other billboards?
>
> Herb
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61306 From: robert hendrickson Date: 9/1/2010
Subject: Re: Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
Do they al least serve Moosehead beer on the excursions?
 
Bob


--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
To: "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Robert" <carmel17@...>
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 9:06 PM


 



Even real trains have problems, as we are headed up to Maine on 9-30 for our annual 17 days in Maine.

I have been on this before, as it closed down once and it looks like it has new owners now.

Mike Marmer

Belfast & Moosehead Lake Railway's Excursion Rates and Schedules

BPS is proud to announce the following Train Schedule for 2010.

The Saturday 8/28 trains have been cancelled. We're waiting for parts to complete our locomotive maintenance which should be completed this weekend.
Season runs from May 29 to October 9


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61307 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Welcome Antonio,

S is a nearly perfect size. It is big enough to have ample details and
massive enough to have excellent electrical conductivity. Visit the SHS
site (http://www.showcaseline.com/ ) and look at their S-Trax product
line for track ideas. Their Planning guide is very helpful if you are
comfortable with sectional track layouts. It looks and operates well
with either scale wheels or High-Rail (American Flyer compatible)
equipment.

I like the fact that many Hot Wheels vehicles are just the right size
for S-scale layouts. The similar sized offerings from Matchbox and Corgi
provide us with a very wide range of scenic details from a variety of
eras and styles.

You won't be disappointed with S.

Bill

PS Do you really put coffee in your coffee in Brazil?

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of A Lhama
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:28 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New join - About me.

My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
I'm from Brazil - South America,
Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad
modeler. life is good! isn't it?
I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a
model.
My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase
that gauge!
My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the
option most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.

Thank You all,
Antonio Carlos
Group: S-Trains Message: 61308 From: Antonio Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Hi,

Yes, I'm thinking about around the wall layout, the stairs is quit in
the middle. (more or less)
However I don't decide between S or On30, many questions. I need time to
learn.
I want models type that is easy to buy too.
Atonio

Em 9-1-2010 21:47, weidner@... escreveu:
>
> Hi, and welcome to S trains.
>
> There are more than one ways to go with S. I myself have and play
> with O gauge and American Flyer S gauge trains. If you like standard
> gauge and Scale trains American models and S-helper are 2 compainrs
> you should look into they have a lot to offer. If you like tinplate
> trains the gilbert produced American flyer trains are the way to go.
> Not sure who makes narrow gauge in S but it has a following as well as
> any other gauge and scale combanation. I also have On30 which is O
> scale that runs on HO track something to think about if you want
> larger scale and limited on space. By the way 20' x 16' is more than
> alot of us have my table is 10' x 16.5' long. In your given space I
> would sugest you do an around the wall shelf type layout.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, A Lhama <acgs1306@...
> <mailto:acgs1306%40yahoo.com.br>> wrote:
>
> From: A Lhama <acgs1306@... <mailto:acgs1306%40yahoo.com.br>>
> Subject: [S-Trains] New join - About me.
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:27 AM
>
>
>
> My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
> I'm from Brazil - South America,
> Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
> I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
> I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad
> modeler. life is good! isn't it?
> I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a
> model.
> My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase
> that gauge!
> My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the
> option most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
> So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.
>
> Thank You all,
> Antonio Carlos
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61309 From: Antonio Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Hi Mr. Larry,

Thank you.
Do you want questions? Here I go.

Is "S" locomotive motor DC or AC ? Volts? (You would have thought, my God!)

Antonio

Em 9-1-2010 23:07, Larry Moore escreveu:
>
> Antonio, When playing with trains, Life is good. You are wise to consider
> "S" Gauge for your layout. There is an abundant wealth of knowledge in
> this
> group, and all are willing to share, in order to promote interest in "S"
> Gauge modeling. Welcome to the group, and do not hesitate to start asking
> questions. Larry Moore in Western North Carolina, USA.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61310 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: CJSS 29th Fall Get Together
We have posted the invite to our 29th Fall Get Together. It is
held in the Christ Church Hall, South Amboy, NJ....

http://www.showcaseline.com/Shows/FGT2010.pdf
Group: S-Trains Message: 61311 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
You get that after the ride in Belfast, ME.

And a Lobster roll.

Mike


From: robert hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine



Do they al least serve Moosehead beer on the excursions?

Bob

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Belfast & Moosehead RR, Maine
To: "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Robert" <carmel17@...>
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 9:06 PM



Even real trains have problems, as we are headed up to Maine on 9-30 for our annual 17 days in Maine.

I have been on this before, as it closed down once and it looks like it has new owners now.

Mike Marmer

Belfast & Moosehead Lake Railway's Excursion Rates and Schedules

BPS is proud to announce the following Train Schedule for 2010.

The Saturday 8/28 trains have been cancelled. We're waiting for parts to complete our locomotive maintenance which should be completed this weekend.
Season runs from May 29 to October 9

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61312 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: Plastic Ville Tollbooth
Bob,

Um, Mexico is on the other side of the tollbooth. LOL

Oh wait, I could have it on the other side where D&K RR is. Need to find some bulls.

S Helper Bull Fight Arena. Maybe I can find Ferdinand the Bull.

Mexico, Maine, I have a milk bottle from there.

mike


From: robert hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:33 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Plastic Ville Tollbooth



Mike,

If you change the toll booth sign to Mexico you'll have to change the Frosty Bar to a taco stand and S Helper field to a bull fight arena...OLE! Wait, there is a Mexico NY.

Bob

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Plastic Ville Tollbooth
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "John Picur" <jppicur@...>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <webmaster@...>, "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>, "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Christena Dilello" <tldilelo@...>, "John (PCA) Niehaus" <pca@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:50 PM



While watching the 10 o'clock news last night there was a story about the Mexico/US border and they where showing a new looking border station, that really looked like a Plasticville tollbooth and on the roof in big letters, it had MEXICO on it in the colors of the Mexican flag.

Little Linda started to laugh as she said to me tthat looks like your Plasticville toll booth on your layout but it has Mexico on it. Then she really laughs and said I should put Mexico my tollbooth.

Now you have to realize this is not the norm for someone who got straight A's, just about in high school, college and then got a masters degree and is usually very proper about things in the world.

For shame on her. LOL I have corrupted her very well over the years.

Hugo likes that idea. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61313 From: Carey Probst Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Hi Antonio,

Sorry but the answer is "it depends"

American Flyer and Lionel is AC, about 16 volts.

American Models and I think S Helper/Showcaseline can be ordered in
either AC or DC or prepared for DCC

In my case I have converted all of my American Flyer from AC to DC and
replaced the direction controllers with full wave bridge rectifiers for
better directional control.

Eventually I hope to replace all the motors with can motors and DCC of
some brand.

I will probably run code 131 rail from S Helper when I build my layout
because it is big enough to mix scale and AF but small enough to look
reasonable.

In case you need some good sites for S Scale or AF compatible here are a
few links to get you started

http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/links.html

This site links to many of not most of the S sites for information.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 9/2/2010 5:58 AM, Antonio wrote:
>
> Hi Mr. Larry,
>
> Thank you.
> Do you want questions? Here I go.
>
> Is "S" locomotive motor DC or AC ? Volts? (You would have thought, my
> God!)
>
> Antonio
>
> Em 9-1-2010 23:07, Larry Moore escreveu:
> >
> > Antonio, When playing with trains, Life is good. You are wise to
> consider
> > "S" Gauge for your layout. There is an abundant wealth of knowledge in
> > this
> > group, and all are willing to share, in order to promote interest in "S"
> > Gauge modeling. Welcome to the group, and do not hesitate to start
> asking
> > questions. Larry Moore in Western North Carolina, USA.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61314 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
This week at SHS�

The shipment with the new reefers and rebuilt boxcar was picked up
last month. We still have a few Nickel Plate Road (all numbers) and
Southern Pacific boxcars. The Nickel Plate Road are available now
for shipping and more Southern Pacific boxcars will arrive on the next
container later this month. We were happy to make the Southern
Pacific rebuilts for the 2010 S West convention this past summer. I
am sorry that we were not able to deliver these cars in time for the
event. I think that was a first. Considering the problems we have
been having with our builder�s parent company, I am happy the club was
understanding. The SAL, GN boxcars as well as the Baby Ruth reefers
were announced as sold out. We still have a few Southern Pacific #2,
#3 and #4 available to be ordered. Both the NKP and SP can be ordered
at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html

Letter from Kader Industries (updated)�.

On June 14th, we received a letter from the parent company of Sanda
Kan, our builder in Hong Kong. The CEO, Ivan Ting, explained that
Sanda Kan was reorganizing and that they would not be accepting new
purchase orders, but all existing purchase orders would be filled. As
you can imagine, this was an unexpected shock to us. A few phone
calls later, we discovered that 59 other clients had also received
this letter and only 20 accounts were to be kept. More bad news
followed. Two weeks ago we learned that our new fishbelly hoppers
would not be completed until the end of December, this includes our
Christmas Car. We are now asking those who have Christmas Cars on
order to contact us and let us know if they want to continue waiting,
use their deposit for another item or have us refund their deposit.
We are still receiving shipments from Hong Kong of completed items.
Mike and I are now exploring other possibilities in finding a new
builder and will keep everyone posted on our progress. We may need to
adjust our business model in the near future as it is very possible we
will not see any new items other than the fishbelly hoppers until late
in 2011

Latest Update�

Robin put the finishing touches on the latest SHS Update and revised
order form. We have posted the SHS Update and order form as a .pdf on
our website and they can be downloaded or read online at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/

We now have in stock the 1/64th scale (item #32305) Great Northern
Railway Motor Freight White/Freightliner COE Tractor w/ replica 40�
Refrigerated Trailer. These sold well at the convention and are quite
colorful. To learn more about them check our home page at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/

DCC Upgrades�

Bill Moitz has been busy this summer with DCC upgrades of our past
products. He can install QSI revolution U sound decoders in our
classic SW9 switchers. We add a 1.1� high base sell baffled speaker.
This fits perfectly and it is as loud as our F units with a clarity at
the low end of many �O� gauge models. We custom program each engine
with the EMD switcher prime mover. We are using the same QSI
revolution U decoders for our F units. The increased current rating
of 1.5 amps really helps with longer trains and grades. This is
especially true with our F7s with the extra draw of Mars and class
lights. Although installing DCC sound in our SW1s is possible, we are
unable to do this because of the time needed to fit the baffle for the
speaker. But, we are more than happy to help with information on how
we did our own SW1s.

Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61315 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me. AC or DC power
You can get them in AC power or DC power, also there is the choice of Scale wheels or hirail wheels. American models website has an informational explanation of scale vs. hirail vs. tinplate S gauge trains on the first page of thier website.
 
www.americanmodels.com

The power question has a bit more of an explanation to it then above as the "original" American flyer trains built by gilbert had 3 different motor types most were universal motors and would run either ac or dc, then they had some that had dc motors only and they also had some that were ac only. If this was not confussing enough the modern S trains come in AC/flyer compatible or DC/scale from American models, From S-helper I think they have 3 choices ac/flyer, DC scale and DCC versions, and there is the lionel produced american flyer which has ac power or TMCC option.
 
 
 
 
 
 

--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Antonio <acgs1306@...> wrote:


From: Antonio <acgs1306@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New join - About me.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 5:58 AM


 



Hi Mr. Larry,

Thank you.
Do you want questions? Here I go.

Is "S" locomotive motor DC or AC ? Volts? (You would have thought, my God!)

Antonio

Em 9-1-2010 23:07, Larry Moore escreveu:
>
> Antonio, When playing with trains, Life is good. You are wise to consider
> "S" Gauge for your layout. There is an abundant wealth of knowledge in
> this
> group, and all are willing to share, in order to promote interest in "S"
> Gauge modeling. Welcome to the group, and do not hesitate to start asking
> questions. Larry Moore in Western North Carolina, USA.
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61316 From: sgaugian Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Consider going with both S and On30 (as Sn42) on your layout. There's
plenty of new and old S-gauge around through online auctions and
dealer/manufacturers web sites if you can't get to train shows. In
terms of On30 as Sn42, the more diminutive sized Bachmann Spectrum On30
engines such as the 4-4-0 and 2-6-6-2 look good as narrow gauge S
(although cab heights are a bit too tall), however, other engines like
their 2-8-0 and 4-6-0 are too proportionally large to work in that way.
Run your S with conventional and/or TMCC/Legacy, and your Sn42 (on HO
tracks) with DC and/or DCC.


"I don't decide between S or On30, many questions. I need time to
learn."

>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61317 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
After reading the several posts on this, I checked the 566 on the PVMR
layout last night. It is noticeably faded from when it was first placed on the
layout. The layout is in an open room, NO direct sunlight, just old
printing techniques, I guess. Probably have to put a modern "WARDIE-JAY
TinPlateTies" Bilboard on to replace the faded diesel image.
BTW, you will seldom see RED used in or on Circus posters, vehicles, signs,
etc, because of the fading, where the circus folk KNOW fading would be an
issue.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61318 From: Antonio Date: 9/2/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Hi Mr. Bill,

Yes, really pure coffee. I drink coffee all day and every day, family
tradition.
Well, what can I say?
on HO I had problems with lighting, larger than the scale, with details
in styrene, I can not see up close.
In Brazil we are accustomed to meters, centimeters and millimeters. Some
details in HO are below 0.1 mm, simply impractical.
Yes, I like cars, vehicles in model, many of it. And human figures too.
Animals, etc.
N scale humans have no face. HO human has no eyes.
Thank your welcome, you are welcome here, if you like cold city without
beach. (haha)
Antonio

Em 9-1-2010 23:59, Bill Porter escreveu:
>
> Welcome Antonio,
>
> S is a nearly perfect size. It is big enough to have ample details and
> massive enough to have excellent electrical conductivity. Visit the SHS
> site (http://www.showcaseline.com/ ) and look at their S-Trax product
> line for track ideas. Their Planning guide is very helpful if you are
> comfortable with sectional track layouts. It looks and operates well
> with either scale wheels or High-Rail (American Flyer compatible)
> equipment.
>
> I like the fact that many Hot Wheels vehicles are just the right size
> for S-scale layouts. The similar sized offerings from Matchbox and Corgi
> provide us with a very wide range of scenic details from a variety of
> eras and styles.
>
> You won't be disappointed with S.
>
> Bill
>
> PS Do you really put coffee in your coffee in Brazil?
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of A Lhama
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] New join - About me.
>
> My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
> I'm from Brazil - South America,
> Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
> I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
> I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad
> modeler. life is good! isn't it?
> I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a
> model.
> My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase
> that gauge!
> My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the
> option most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
> So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.
>
> Thank You all,
> Antonio Carlos
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61319 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
One of the best sites for all around information is
www.trainweb.org/crocon/sscale.html .

Have fun!
Bill Winans
>
> In case you need some good sites for S Scale or AF compatible here are a
> few links to get you started
>
> http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/links.html
>
> This site links to many of not most of the S sites for information.
> Carey Probst
Group: S-Trains Message: 61320 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: Question About 566 Whistling Billboard
hey herb, jerry is correct that sun is the mechanism that fades the pigment in paint, in red it is the metal cadmium that volatilizes. the good news is that cadmium was found to be toxic back in the 80's or so, now replaced with other nontoxic and nonfading pigments. my very nice new haven coaches were on a shelf in my train room for a few months, totally shot on the side facing out, look great on the back side. oh well, live and learn... the repros signs should be handled carefully unless they are fairly recent. dale

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> The color red is very prone to fading. Much more than any other color. Is it due to UV rays? Don't know. But you can see it on posters, photos, illustrations and most notably on red cars in sunny areas of the country. Here in Michigan, not so much... ;>)
>
> The 566 I have is faded like that also, but if originality isn't important to you, repro's of the sign are available.
>
> Jerry
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <hblanier@> wrote:
> >
> > I have posted in my "paflyrman" photo album a photo of a recently acquired 566 whistling billboard. The red war bonnet on the front of the SF alco diesel seems to have been removed or faded away, although non of the other colors seem faded, particularly the yellow outline. Does anyone know anything about this being done, or has it been seen before on other billboards?
> >
> > Herb
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61321 From: Michael Rector Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: New join - About me.
Welcome to the fun of "S" gauge. There are lots of otems made in 1/64 scale. 
Enjoy,
Mike in SW Ohio

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, A Lhama <acgs1306@...> wrote:


From: A Lhama <acgs1306@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] New join - About me.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:27 AM


 



My name is Antonio Carlos G de Siqueira,
I'm from Brazil - South America,
Living in Curitiba - Parana state,
I'm 56 years old, 4 children, pensioner,
I was computer technician, network manager, but now I'm railroad modeler. life is good! isn't it?
I bought a new house, it has an attic, empty, 20'x16', perfect for a model.
My experience here is with the HO scale, but my eyes tell me; Increase that gauge!
My dream is the O scale, but I would not have so much space, then the option most consistent is the scale Sn3 or S (1:64).
So I joined the group to learn about "S" details, and all the rest.

Thank You all,
Antonio Carlos











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61322 From: Lee Johnson Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} RE: SHS Blatant commericalism
on 9/2/10 7:38 AM, Don Thompson at don@... wrote:

> This week at SHS…
>
> The shipment with the new <snip>......<snip> and
> Southern Pacific boxcars. The Nickel Plate Road are available now
> for shipping and more Southern Pacific boxcars will arrive on the next
> container later this month. We were happy to make the Southern
> Pacific rebuilts for the 2010 S West convention this past summer. I
> am sorry that we were not able to deliver these cars in time for the
> event. I think that was a first. Considering the problems we have
> been having with our builder’s parent company, I am happy the club was
> understanding.

> We still have a few Southern Pacific #2, #3 and #4 available to be ordered.


S Helper did everything possible to get the Southern Pacific rebuilt boxcars
to us before the S West 5 convention, but as we all now know, it was beyond
their control. The cars are now here, and with the convention being over we
still have cars available. We have quite a few of the #1 cars, and a few
each of the #2, #3, and #4 cars. An insert for these cars was in the last
NASG Dispatch, and an advertisement will be in the next S Gaugian and 1/64
Modeling Guide. To order the SP convention car from the Bay Area S Scalers,
contact me at <leemax@...>.

Lee Johnson
Bay Area S Scalers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61323 From: paflyrman Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: Fading 566 Whistling Billboard
Thanks to all who responded to my question. While I am quite familiar with fading reds, I've never seen the edges of a faded area so well defined, and was curious as to whether this had been done intentionally (to imitate the 360-361), or occurred by accident. I find it strange that just the red faded and the other colors around it remain bright and full when, I assume, the entire sign was exposed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61324 From: charlie and edith Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Gilbert 72X Switch Question
Greetings! Thanks to all who offered thoughts on the 360 Rehab! When removing the Frog from the switch, the "Manual" suggests driving the pilot stud out .... are the pilot stud and spring washer reuseable? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in WMI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61325 From: sgaugian Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
Don, is this decoder and speaker what you'd use to convert a Locomatic
NW2 to DCC? Or do you use the Tsunami still? Any video? Would like to
see/hear the difference. Thanks.

"Bill Moitz has been busy this summer with DCC upgrades of our past
products. He can install QSI revolution U sound decoders in our
classic SW9 switchers. We add a 1.1" high base sell baffled speaker.
This fits perfectly and it is as loud as our F units with a clarity at
the low end of many "O" gauge models. "
Group: S-Trains Message: 61326 From: dphobbies Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: American Flyer U33C Update
Some news and some great news. First the news. the latest lie is that the SP and EL U3s are now due in December - this year. these ave been long awaited. Remember, they are coming with drop in scale wheels. The great news is they have announces four, yes four new road names in the new catalogue for next year. They are Conrail, Great Northern, Northern Pacific and Burlington Northern. I can't remember Lionel ever, ever releasing four road names of a diesel at once. MSRP is $439.95

Lastly, the UP guys are going to go broke. They are doing an all new Challenger, yes, a 4-6-6-4 that will be prototypically correct, not a rehash. There will be 3 UP numbers - 2 in black and one in Greyhound and a D&RGW version. MSRP will be $999.95.

Usual disclaimer applies. We stock and sell a lot of this stuff.

Have a great weekend. I am.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
Group: S-Trains Message: 61327 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: AC Gilbert American Flyer Steam Locos converted to DCC ?
Are there any U-tube videos of AC Gilbert steam locomotives converted to
DCC with sound?

- Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61328 From: sgaugian Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update
For more info - - http://www.lionel.com/ <http://www.lionel.com/> open
the Volume 2 catalog, click on the go to last page button on the bottom
and click back a few pages for all the new AF stuff.

The great news is they have announces four, yes four new road names in
the new catalogue for next year. They are Conrail, Great Northern,
Northern Pacific and Burlington Northern. I can't remember Lionel ever,
ever releasing four road names of a diesel at once. MSRP is $439.95
They are doing an all new Challenger, yes, a 4-6-6-4 that will be
prototypically correct, not a rehash. There will be 3 UP numbers - 2 in
black and one in Greyhound and a D&RGW version. MSRP will be $999.95.
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61329 From: Jerry Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: Gilbert 72X Switch Question
Hi Charlie,

Yes. The spring and stud are reusable. But remember, the switch body is either old styrene plastic which may have become brittle, or Bakelite plastic which is VERY brittle. In any case, be sure to proceed with caution. I usually use an appropriately sized socket on the frog to allow the stud to pass into it. Then I chuck a blunted nail into my drill press and press it out. When reassembling the switch, make sure the splines on the stud follow the splines already cut in the switch body.

Good luck, buddy!

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings! Thanks to all who offered thoughts on the 360 Rehab! When removing the Frog from the switch, the "Manual" suggests driving the pilot stud out .... are the pilot stud and spring washer reuseable? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in WMI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61330 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
Not really, all of our NW2 and SW8s have factory installed speakers
with our last run of SW9s. These engines are the only switchers to
have LocoMatic installed. When we install DCC, we unplug the LM board
and plug in our switcher DCC interface board which has a Tsunami DCC
sound pcb plugged into that. We still use the Tsunamis in these
switchers as they draw less than 1/3rd of an amp. In the Classic
SW9s, we install the QSI revolution Us as they are easier to install.

Don

On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:37 AM, sgaugian wrote:

>
> Don, is this decoder and speaker what you'd use to convert a Locomatic
> NW2 to DCC? Or do you use the Tsunami still? Any video? Would like to
> see/hear the difference. Thanks.
>
> "Bill Moitz has been busy this summer with DCC upgrades of our past
> products. He can install QSI revolution U sound decoders in our
> classic SW9 switchers. We add a 1.1" high base sell baffled speaker.
> This fits perfectly and it is as loud as our F units with a clarity at
> the low end of many "O" gauge models. "
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61331 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update - Questions about the scale versio
Have the first two U33s been delivered?

All I remember reading is that delivery kept being delayed?

If they have been delivered, I wonder how well the scale wheel versions
worked? And I wonder if there are any Utube videos that show them operating
with the smoke exhaust?

- Earl Henry, Nashville




In a message dated 9/3/2010 1:03:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dphobbies@... writes:




Some news and some great news. First the news. the latest lie is that the
SP and EL U3s are now due in December - this year. these ave been long
awaited. Remember, they are coming with drop in scale wheels. The great news is
they have announces four, yes four new road names in the new catalogue for
next year. They are Conrail, Great Northern, Northern Pacific and
Burlington Northern. I can't remember Lionel ever, ever releasing four road names of
a diesel at once. MSRP is $439.95

Lastly, the UP guys are going to go broke. They are doing an all new
Challenger, yes, a 4-6-6-4 that will be prototypically correct, not a rehash.
There will be 3 UP numbers - 2 in black and one in Greyhound and a D&RGW
version. MSRP will be $999.95.

Usual disclaimer applies. We stock and sell a lot of this stuff.

Have a great weekend. I am.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61332 From: Brian Date: 9/3/2010
Subject: My American Flyer Layout
Recently I have been working on my layout. It is 16' x 7'. Here's a recent photo of it:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/2lilb/AF/IMG_2347.jpg

I have been documenting the progress of it on my blog. There you can find everything that I have done so far from the beginning.

http://briansamericanflyer.blogspot.com/


Brian
Group: S-Trains Message: 61333 From: Larry Moore Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Brian, Your layout is looking good, keep us posted on the progress. Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] My American Flyer Layout





Recently I have been working on my layout. It is 16' x 7'. Here's a recent
photo of it:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/2lilb/AF/IMG_2347.jpg

I have been documenting the progress of it on my blog. There you can find
everything that I have done so far from the beginning.

http://briansamericanflyer.blogspot.com/

Brian





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61334 From: ekaplan707 Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update
The comment about the new Challenger from Lionel being protypically correct is not comletely true. This looks like another K-Line modification. The K-Line 2004 2nd addition catalog shows a 1/58 scale Challenger. So this is another rehash although certainly another welcome addition to the S gauge fleet.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Some news and some great news. First the news. the latest lie is that the SP and EL U3s are now due in December - this year. these ave been long awaited. Remember, they are coming with drop in scale wheels. The great news is they have announces four, yes four new road names in the new catalogue for next year. They are Conrail, Great Northern, Northern Pacific and Burlington Northern. I can't remember Lionel ever, ever releasing four road names of a diesel at once. MSRP is $439.95
>
> Lastly, the UP guys are going to go broke. They are doing an all new Challenger, yes, a 4-6-6-4 that will be prototypically correct, not a rehash. There will be 3 UP numbers - 2 in black and one in Greyhound and a D&RGW version. MSRP will be $999.95.
>
> Usual disclaimer applies. We stock and sell a lot of this stuff.
>
> Have a great weekend. I am.
>
> Ron Sebastian
> Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61335 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Looking good, Brian, keep up the good work!
Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010 12:50 am
Subject: [S-Trains] My American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Recently I have been working on my layout. It is 16' x 7'.
> Here's a recent photo of it:
>
> http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/2lilb/AF/IMG_2347.jpg
>
>
> I have been documenting the progress of it on my blog. There you
> can find everything that I have done so far from the beginning.
>
> http://briansamericanflyer.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Brian
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61336 From: JohnM Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: billboard wiring
Hi all.

I have an AF whistling billboard for which the wires have come unattached. Would anyone have a wiring diagram they would share? The diagrams I've seen are just for attaching the billboard to the transformer.

Thanks.
HAPPY LABOR DAY
Jack Maclennan
Group: S-Trains Message: 61337 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C update
No, the first two U33C's (E-L and SP) have not been delivered yet. Current
delivery date is December 2010. These engines have been under lengthy
development because of the efforts to include all Legacy features (can motor
with Odyssey II cruise, smoke, Railsounds 5, and electrocouplers) in the
confined space of an S gauge diesel model. The offering off four additional
road names (with matching cabooses) indicates that they are coming. Worth the
wait, IMHO.

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 9/4/2010 7:42:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Have the first two U33s been delivered?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61338 From: michael prell Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Brian,
To quote one of my favorite characters from Blazing Saddles, "Mungo IMPRESSED! And it takes a lot to impress Mungo!"  Great start!
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Brian <briansnook3@...> wrote:


From: Brian <briansnook3@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] My American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 6:04 PM


 



Recently I have been working on my layout. It is 16' x 7'. Here's a recent photo of it:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/2lilb/AF/IMG_2347.jpg

I have been documenting the progress of it on my blog. There you can find everything that I have done so far from the beginning.

http://briansamericanflyer.blogspot.com/

Brian











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61339 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Thanks for sharing, Brian. I like the contour boards for the mountain
and tunnel and the storage sidings. What do you plan to use as the skin?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] My American Flyer Layout

Recently I have been working on my layout. It is 16' x 7'. Here's a
recent photo of it:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/2lilb/AF/IMG_2347.jpg

I have been documenting the progress of it on my blog. There you can
find everything that I have done so far from the beginning.

http://briansamericanflyer.blogspot.com/


Brian
Group: S-Trains Message: 61340 From: ron plyler Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Any chance of getting a copy of your track plan?  Ron Plyler

--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Brian <briansnook3@...> wrote:


From: Brian <briansnook3@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] My American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 6:04 PM


 



Recently I have been working on my layout. It is 16' x 7'. Here's a recent photo of it:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/2lilb/AF/IMG_2347.jpg

I have been documenting the progress of it on my blog. There you can find everything that I have done so far from the beginning.

http://briansamericanflyer.blogspot.com/

Brian











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61341 From: Bob Anson Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: For Sale
does anybody want to make an offer on this???

American Flyer plus : master manual concerning American Flyer trains & related
A. C. Gilbert products / editor, Bert L. Platz ; art director, Dick Mayfield

make me an offer...

Bob Anson %~)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61342 From: sgaugian Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commericalism
Thanks Don. Great, as usual ,information and explanation.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61343 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/4/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/5/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday September 5, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 20 hours, 33 minutes.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61344 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Gerry Evans
Hi all --

Gerry Evans, western VP of the NASG has lost the ability to get and receive emails because of problems with his ISP. If you need to talk to him you will have to make a phone call.

Have fun!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61345 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer U33C Update - new the Challenger
This is a misunderstanding. The Challengers are to be done with all new
tooling. They will have every Legacy TMCC feature, too, hence the MSRP. The
engine concept illustrations for the new AF Challengers are from the Lionel
2010 Vol. 1 catalog and are of the excellent 0 gauge 1/4"/ft scale (Joshua
Lionel Cowen Series) Challengers updated for Legacy and Vision features.
Besides, this is what I have been informed by Chesterfield, MI. ;-)

Happy Labor Day!

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 9/5/2010 6:39:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

The comment about the new Challenger from Lionel being protypically
correct is not comletely true. This looks like another K-Line modification.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61346 From: Dave Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: NEW Motor Truck Lines Decals
Just a little up-date on our ON-LINE DECAL SALES SITE. For those of you that model trucks for your layout, we have added ELEVEN (11) NEW decal sets including P.I.E. (Pacific Intermountain Express). We will probably be adding an additional FIFTEEN (15) NEW sets between now and the end of the year.
Please follow the link below to view:


http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page06.html


Thank you all for your continuing support.

Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 61347 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Fw: Electrical Wire
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:57:41 PM
Subject: Electrical Wire

I have a Chief 21927 And I can not find a wire Diagram for a newer single motor.

Would it be wired like my Franklin Two position switch.


Field to Ground
Field to Upper terminal on the two terminal side

Brush to Single terminal side
Brush to Lower terminal on the two terminal side.

I also have a complete motor that has a rubber on one of the insulated wheels.
The rubber looks like a cup that is glue to the wheel for traction. One is
removed and it looks like it was glue on. Where can I get some replacements.

I have several older engines that I am trying to fix after a number of years
away from the hobby. Any help would be accepted Thanks

Have a great day
Don Keil
dlkeil@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61348 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/5/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday September 5, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61349 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Hi Don.  I believe that Doug Peck of Portlines.Com has a wiring diagram on his
website and also the Pul-mor rubber replacements for the Chief. 


Bob




________________________________
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: : <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 3:43:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

 


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:57:41 PM
Subject: Electrical Wire

I have a Chief 21927 And I can not find a wire Diagram for a newer single motor.


Would it be wired like my Franklin Two position switch.

Field to Ground
Field to Upper terminal on the two terminal side

Brush to Single terminal side
Brush to Lower terminal on the two terminal side.

I also have a complete motor that has a rubber on one of the insulated wheels.
The rubber looks like a cup that is glue to the wheel for traction. One is
removed and it looks like it was glue on. Where can I get some replacements.

I have several older engines that I am trying to fix after a number of years
away from the hobby. Any help would be accepted Thanks

Have a great day
Don Keil
dlkeil@...







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61350 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/5/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Thanks bob
I could only find 21925 and up but it was a two engine and mine is a one engine.
Would the wire diagram for the franklin work?
DON



________________________________
From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:43:56 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire


Hi Don. I believe that Doug Peck of Portlines.Com has a wiring diagram on his
website and also the Pul-mor rubber replacements for the Chief.

Bob

________________________________
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: : <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 3:43:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:57:41 PM
Subject: Electrical Wire

I have a Chief 21927 And I can not find a wire Diagram for a newer single motor.


Would it be wired like my Franklin Two position switch.

Field to Ground
Field to Upper terminal on the two terminal side

Brush to Single terminal side
Brush to Lower terminal on the two terminal side.

I also have a complete motor that has a rubber on one of the insulated wheels.
The rubber looks like a cup that is glue to the wheel for traction. One is
removed and it looks like it was glue on. Where can I get some replacements.

I have several older engines that I am trying to fix after a number of years
away from the hobby. Any help would be accepted Thanks

Have a great day
Don Keil
dlkeil@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61351 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/6/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Don, I'm not sure you can use the Franklin electrical diagram.  Let's get the
S-Trains group for the answer.  Carl and others can help on wiring the SF 21927
Alco.  Group, can anyone provide wiring information to Don on this Alco? 
Thanks.

Bob




________________________________
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:48:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

 
Thanks bob
I could only find 21925 and up but it was a two engine and mine is a one engine.

Would the wire diagram for the franklin work?
DON

________________________________
From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:43:56 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

Hi Don. I believe that Doug Peck of Portlines.Com has a wiring diagram on his
website and also the Pul-mor rubber replacements for the Chief.

Bob

________________________________
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: : <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 3:43:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:57:41 PM
Subject: Electrical Wire

I have a Chief 21927 And I can not find a wire Diagram for a newer single motor.


Would it be wired like my Franklin Two position switch.

Field to Ground
Field to Upper terminal on the two terminal side

Brush to Single terminal side
Brush to Lower terminal on the two terminal side.

I also have a complete motor that has a rubber on one of the insulated wheels.
The rubber looks like a cup that is glue to the wheel for traction. One is
removed and it looks like it was glue on. Where can I get some replacements.

I have several older engines that I am trying to fix after a number of years
away from the hobby. Any help would be accepted Thanks

Have a great day
Don Keil
dlkeil@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61352 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/6/2010
Subject: Re: Electrical Wire
I'd have to open a 21927 to verify this, but I think it is wired like
the 21573 NH EP-5......that diagram is on our site.



[ BTW......anyone who would care to make up wiring diagrams for engines
(steam or diesel) missing from our Repair Clinics #10, #14, or #15....we
would welcome your "creations, and add them to the website with
appropriate credit ! ]







<<<I have a Chief 21927 And I can not find a wire Diagram for a newer
single motor. Would it be wired like my Franklin Two position
switch.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61353 From: sgaugian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: the new Challenger
Correction: the Challenger description says "Powerful motor with
momentum flywheel". The Big Boy description said "Dual powerful motors
with momentum flywheels'. Question still stands - - will the Challenger
have one or two motors? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61354 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Brakeman Sighted
Group: S-Trains Message: 61355 From: sgaugian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: the new Challenger
Will the Challenger have two motors or one? The description indicates
"maintenance free motor" as in possibly only one. The Big Boy
description on the other hand called out two motors. Hopefully the
Challenger will have two as well, but with the smaller boiler and the
need to fit a smoke unit, an Odyssey equipped motor, and some
electronics in there, has Lionel decided to make one of the driver sets
unpowered? Thanks. BTW, an all new design (as opposed to just a
chopped Big Boy) would help justify its relatively expensive price and
be appreciated. Whereas I have a Big Boy and think it was worth the
wait, it does seem a bit extra large. Then again, if the Challenger is
more true to 1:64 how will it look with the Big Boy? A good problem I
suppose though for any S enthusiast to have.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61356 From: Gary Chidester Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: New Table?
So two weeks ago I woke up to find three inches of water in my basement. Luckily I have very good insurance and most of my trains and accessories were either in Plastic storage containers or off the floor. I did loose a couple of original boxes, both American Flyer and SHS, a few locomotives got wet and some misc. items.

All the carpet was torn out by the restoration company that was sent by the insurance company so I get new carpet. I am now coming to the question part. I had a very sturdy, probably over-built, train table made from 2x4's and waferboard. I then had the blue foam for a base and the layout on top of that. Since the carpet was torn out they want to now come back and put in new. I have rigged a way to raise the blue foam and suspend it from the ceiling off the 2x4 and waferboard table. Take the tables down and out so they can lay new carpet. I am thinking this is a chance to downgrade the heavy tables that i had supporting the layout.

I am thinking of something light enough to suspend from the ceiling with folding legs to rest on when down from the ceiling and we are running trains. Has anyone done this? Suggestions? The layout is 14'x6' so I would love to hear from those that have suggestions and ideas for me. I am thinking a frame around the entire layout of 2x4, but then crossbracing of 1x1 or maybe even smaller? Keeping the 2" of blue foam as the base on the framework and some folding adjustable legs. One or two sets of legs on each end and two on the long sides of the layout.

I want it strong enough to hold together, but light enough to raise to the ceiling with 2-3 people.

I hope I have explained this well enough to make it clearer than mud! Thoughts and suggestions are welcome and appreciated!

Gary
Group: S-Trains Message: 61357 From: Brian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: My American Flyer Layout
Here's my track plan:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/2lilb/AF/Layout.jpg

For the skin of the mountain I plan to use wire mesh covered in plaster soaked paper towels.

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> --- On Fri, 9/3/10, Brian <briansnook3@...> wrote:
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> From: Brian <briansnook3@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] My American Flyer Layout
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 6:04 PM
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> I have been documenting the progress of it on my blog. There you can find everything that I have done so far from the beginning.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61358 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Hi Bob,
� Since the 21927 Santa Fe Alco is a single motor, Don should be able to use any wiring diagram for a single diesel motor using the XA14C429 Reverse Unit.  The clearest diagrams to use would be the 21234 GP-7 and the 21573 NH Electric as Doug suggested. Both of those wiring diagrams are from A.C. Gilbert and both are on Doug's website and in my Parts & Service Book.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 9/6/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 12:08 AM







 









Don, I'm not sure you can use the Franklin electrical diagram. Let's get the

S-Trains group for the answer. Carl and others can help on wiring the SF 21927

Alco. Group, can anyone provide wiring information to Don on this Alco?

Thanks.



Bob



________________________________

From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:48:58 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire





Thanks bob

I could only find 21925 and up but it was a two engine and mine is a one engine.



Would the wire diagram for the franklin work?

DON



________________________________

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:43:56 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire



Hi Don. I believe that Doug Peck of Portlines.Com has a wiring diagram on his

website and also the Pul-mor rubber replacements for the Chief.



Bob



________________________________

From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>

To: : <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 3:43:18 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire



----- Forwarded Message ----

From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:57:41 PM

Subject: Electrical Wire



I have a Chief 21927 And I can not find a wire Diagram for a newer single motor.



Would it be wired like my Franklin Two position switch.



Field to Ground

Field to Upper terminal on the two terminal side



Brush to Single terminal side

Brush to Lower terminal on the two terminal side.



I also have a complete motor that has a rubber on one of the insulated wheels.

The rubber looks like a cup that is glue to the wheel for traction. One is

removed and it looks like it was glue on. Where can I get some replacements.



I have several older engines that I am trying to fix after a number of years

away from the hobby. Any help would be accepted Thanks



Have a great day

Don Keil

dlkeil@...



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61359 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: S GAUGE LAYOUT MAKES THE BIG TIME
Gents...

The Idaho Statesman, a world famous publication, had an article in today's
online version of the newspaper regarding an S hi-rail layout that will be
on display at the "S"acramento joint NASG/NMRA convention. Interestingly,
it listed as one of the "most popular" stories of the day. Click here and
see for yourself:


<http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/05/1329156/local-model-railroad-displ
ay-goes.html#storylink=omni_popular>
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/05/1329156/local-model-railroad-displa
y-goes.html#storylink=omni_popular

Needless to say, if you want more information about the NASG/NMRA "S"acto
convention, click here:

http://www.x2011west.com/nasg.html

Have you ordered your brand new AF-compatible or S scale convention car yet?
No repaints this year. New tooling, two different cars, one custom load.
Delivery by Christmas 2010 -- we hope!

"S"incerely...Ed L.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61360 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Reverse Loop
Hi All,

Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch & relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller & set for 2-train operation.
Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pete Henningsen
Milford, Ct.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61361 From: jvmandell Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 10TH 2010
The New Haven and Derby Model Railroad Club, Inc. (an affiliate of The Orange Historical Society) will be holding it's 18th annual model train show on Sunday October 10, 2010 from 9:30AM–3:30PM at High Plains Community Center 525 Orange Center Road (route 152) in Orange, CT. Mapquest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=525+Orange+Center+Road&city=Orange&state=ct&zipcode= The building is minutes from Interstate 95's exit 41 and exit 56 of the Wilbur Cross Parkway (CT 15). It is handicap accessible and has plenty of free parking.

All Scales and eras will be represented with between 90-100 vendor tables featuring locomotives, rolling stock, books, accessories, clothing, scenery, buildings and railroad memorabilia. The Valley "HO" Railroad Club, Valley "N"-Trak Railroad Club and the Connecticut "G" Scale Railroad Club will have their modular operating layouts set up for viewing and their members will gladly answer any questions you may have. In addition we will have smaller kid friendly "T" track layout, and clinics. There will be door prizes at least every hour and a dining car to satisfy your hunger. All in all there will be something for every member of the family.

Donations are: adults $5.00, teens (12-18 with adult) $1.00 and under 12 free. For more information contact Chairman Don Robillard by phone at (203)932-0185 or by e-mail at donbetnessrobi@.... Visit our website: www.newhaven-derbymodelrailroadclub.org to find out more about us.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61362 From: Miller, Scott Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
I would also be interested in the wiring diagram if anyone has it.
Thanks.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of amerflyerwanted@...
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop





Hi All,

Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an automated
return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B transformer?
Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website using 2 Atlas 200
relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not 100% sure of my wiring
because diagram shows only one switch & relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches
were ganged to one controller & set for 2-train operation.
Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pete Henningsen
Milford, Ct.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61363 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Electrical Wire
Thanks for the wiring info for Don's SF 21927 project.  Have a great day.

Bob



________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 10:13:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

 
Hi Bob,
  Since the 21927 Santa Fe Alco is a single motor, Don should be able to use any
wiring diagram for a single diesel motor using the XA14C429 Reverse Unit.  The
clearest diagrams to use would be the 21234 GP-7 and the 21573 NH Electric as
Doug suggested. Both of those wiring diagrams are from A.C. Gilbert and both are
on Doug's website and in my Parts & Service Book.
  Tom Seccia

--- On Mon, 9/6/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 12:08 AM

 

Don, I'm not sure you can use the Franklin electrical diagram. Let's get the

S-Trains group for the answer. Carl and others can help on wiring the SF 21927

Alco. Group, can anyone provide wiring information to Don on this Alco?

Thanks.

Bob

________________________________

From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:48:58 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

Thanks bob

I could only find 21925 and up but it was a two engine and mine is a one engine.


Would the wire diagram for the franklin work?

DON

________________________________

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:43:56 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

Hi Don. I believe that Doug Peck of Portlines.Com has a wiring diagram on his

website and also the Pul-mor rubber replacements for the Chief.

Bob

________________________________

From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>

To: : <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 3:43:18 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Electrical Wire

----- Forwarded Message ----

From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:57:41 PM

Subject: Electrical Wire

I have a Chief 21927 And I can not find a wire Diagram for a newer single motor.


Would it be wired like my Franklin Two position switch.

Field to Ground

Field to Upper terminal on the two terminal side

Brush to Single terminal side

Brush to Lower terminal on the two terminal side.

I also have a complete motor that has a rubber on one of the insulated wheels.

The rubber looks like a cup that is glue to the wheel for traction. One is

removed and it looks like it was glue on. Where can I get some replacements.

I have several older engines that I am trying to fix after a number of years

away from the hobby. Any help would be accepted Thanks

Have a great day

Don Keil

dlkeil@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61364 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Looking for OLD track plan book
In the 70's I built my first layout that went beyond a sheet of plywood. I built it to plans in an old Model Railroader book of layout plans, probably from the 50s or early 60s. I believe the plan was called the Ute Shortline. The plan had the track wrap back on itself several times as it wound uphill then descended without wrapping over itself making the plan essentially one-way.

I am trying to find and buy the book that had this track plan. But it is most difficult without the name of the book. Does anyone remember this layout and the book name? I'm soon to be an empty-nester and the layout planning wheels are turning...

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 61365 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
In a message dated 9/7/2010 10:17:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
amerflyerwanted@... writes:

Hi All,

Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an automated return
loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B transformer? Tried using
info from Carl Tuveson's great website using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was
unable to get it to work. Not 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only
one switch & relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller &
set for 2-train operation.
Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pete Henningsen
Milford, Ct.

WHERE do I find this?? One of your relays surely does this.

Jim


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61366 From: richs009 Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book
Tim -- the layout book I have - "101 Track Plans for Model Railroaders" doesn't have a layout called 'Ute shortline' - but its published by Kalmbach (publisher of Model Railroader). The author is Lynn Westcott. You might try checking the Kalmbach website or try googling Westcott... He was a prolific author of track plans, etc.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> In the 70's I built my first layout that went beyond a sheet of plywood. I built it to plans in an old Model Railroader book of layout plans, probably from the 50s or early 60s. I believe the plan was called the Ute Shortline. The plan had the track wrap back on itself several times as it wound uphill then descended without wrapping over itself making the plan essentially one-way.
>
> I am trying to find and buy the book that had this track plan. But it is most difficult without the name of the book. Does anyone remember this layout and the book name? I'm soon to be an empty-nester and the layout planning wheels are turning...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61367 From: sgaugian Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: the new Challenger
I received an email back from Lionel - - the plan is for the Challenger
to have one motor.

> Will the Challenger have two motors or one? .
Group: S-Trains Message: 61368 From: Timboy Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Large All-American Flyer Layout Build
Hi Guys,

I'm building a large All-American Flyer vintage-style train layout. It measures 20X40. I would like to share this build with this group. Here is a link to my blog where you can see what is presently going on and also thumb back to May, when I tore down my old layout to begin this build:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Any questions or comments, please don't hesitate.

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61369 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Thanks for the information Tom Seccia and Bob Iaqnnacone




________________________________
From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 12:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop



In a message dated 9/7/2010 10:17:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
amerflyerwanted@... writes:

Hi All,

Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an automated return
loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B transformer? Tried using
info from Carl Tuveson's great website using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was
unable to get it to work. Not 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only
one switch & relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller &
set for 2-train operation.
Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pete Henningsen
Milford, Ct.

WHERE do I find this?? One of your relays surely does this.

Jim

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61370 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Updated Website for American Flyer Operators
Good afternoon Group Associates.  I have updated my American Flyer website to
include brand new Flyer by Lionel produced since 1979.  The combination of
diesels and freight cars guaranteed new and never run.  They are all in original
boxes only taken out to photograph the engines.  Some of the railroad names
include Burlington, Milwaukee Road, Illinois Central Gulf, Northern Pacific,
Southern Pacific, Chessie System and Southern.  The diesels come with 2 to 5
cars and are priced accordlingly.  There is also a Misc. page that features
individual freight cars.  In addition, I have a link to Doug Peck's Portline
Hobby Supply.  Doug has one of the most diversified parts inventory for S
Gauge.  Great to deal with as well.  Please take a moment to browse my website
with all the new L/AF at the following address: 


www.americanflyertrains4u.com

Have a great rest of the day.

Bob





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61371 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Pete,I have a wiring digram on how to rewire flyer switches to use them in a reverse loop.I will email them if you want. Bob Persing
----- Original Message -----
From: amerflyerwanted@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop



Hi All,

Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch & relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller & set for 2-train operation.
Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pete Henningsen
Milford, Ct.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61372 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Hi Scott,
                   The easiest way to wire a Reverse Loop is to have the 695 Reverse Loop Relay.   If you have a copy of the K-Line Service Manual the wiring instructions are located on pages 329, 330 and 331.  If you do not have the 695 , you can use DPDT Toggle Switches.  If you want to make a return Reverse Loop you would need a Right Hand and a Left Hand Switch.  You can use these wiring diagrams with any size American Flyer transformers.   695 relays are tough to find. Usually run about $75 to $100 each.
                                        Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 9/7/10, Miller, Scott <millesco@...> wrote:

From: Miller, Scott <millesco@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:30 AM







 









I would also be interested in the wiring diagram if anyone has it.

Thanks.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of amerflyerwanted@...

Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:31 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop



Hi All,



Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an automated

return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B transformer?

Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website using 2 Atlas 200

relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not 100% sure of my wiring

because diagram shows only one switch & relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches

were ganged to one controller & set for 2-train operation.

Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Pete Henningsen

Milford, Ct.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61373 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book
Tim:

That would be "Small Railroads You Can Build". My copy has a publishing date of 1975. ISBN 0-89024-513-4

Roger

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> In the 70's I built my first layout that went beyond a sheet of plywood. I built it to plans in an old Model Railroader book of layout plans, probably from the 50s or early 60s. I believe the plan was called the Ute Shortline. The plan had the track wrap back on itself several times as it wound uphill then descended without wrapping over itself making the plan essentially one-way.
>
> I am trying to find and buy the book that had this track plan. But it is most difficult without the name of the book. Does anyone remember this layout and the book name? I'm soon to be an empty-nester and the layout planning wheels are turning...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61374 From: Robert Conner Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book
TIM.... Remember the ARCH BRIDGE at the top!!!!!! I remember this plan well as it was a fav years ago.... That downgrade was steep!!!!! Will try to look around here tommorrow to see about it.... UTE is what it was called!!! Bob

--- On Tue, 9/7/10, tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> wrote:


From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for OLD track plan book
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:20 PM


 



In the 70's I built my first layout that went beyond a sheet of plywood. I built it to plans in an old Model Railroader book of layout plans, probably from the 50s or early 60s. I believe the plan was called the Ute Shortline. The plan had the track wrap back on itself several times as it wound uphill then descended without wrapping over itself making the plan essentially one-way.

I am trying to find and buy the book that had this track plan. But it is most difficult without the name of the book. Does anyone remember this layout and the book name? I'm soon to be an empty-nester and the layout planning wheels are turning...

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61375 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 9/7/2010
Subject: "S"ome events and activities planned for the Sacramento NASG/NMRA jo
Folks....

Things are beginning to take shape for the next NASG/NMRA annual convention
in Sacramento, California. Click here for information:

http://www.x2011west.com/nasg.html

"S"ome interesting events are listed below:

Things for the railroad enthusiast:

A. Clinic conducted in the California State RR Museum (CSRM) on how to
conduct research and use of archives.

B. At least one prototype RR ride EVERY SINGLE DAY.

C. Niles Canyon RR during the Advance Section.

D. Clinic conducted in the CSRM by real signal maintainers all about how
signals work followed by a real train ride to examine real signals in
operation complete with detailed explanations. Very educational.

E. Tour to Nevada County Narrow Gauge -- walk the track of a now-defunct
piece of history.

F. Sacramento River Train ride and BBQ dinner.

G. Tour of California forest fighting airplanes maintenance facility at
nearby McClellan AFB.

H. Jamestown, California steam train ride and roundhouse tour.

I. Western Pacific RR Museum tour and opportunity to drive the F-unit. Be
an engineer for 15 minutes!

J. Rio Vista traction museum and rides.

K. Sacramento Southern RR rids.

L. Virginia & Truckee RR ride.

M. Nevada State RR Museum in Carson City, NV.

N. Walking Tour of Donner Summit over the Sierra Nevada mountains.

Things the ladies (aka "non-rails" in NMRA jargon) will enjoy at the
"S"acramento 2011 convention:

1. A professional cooking class at an expensive restaurant.

2. A kitchen tour and trip to a Farmer's Market.

3. A special glorius luncheon (no extra fee for this).

4. Tour of Guide Dogs for the Blind facility and lecture.

5. Genealogy Clinic.

6. Some craft clinics.

7. Quilts for Project Linus (blankets for children in need).

8. Charles Shultz (of Peanuts fame) Museum and hockey arena.

9. Tour of City of Sacramento (California's state capitol).

10. Tour of Luther Burbank House and Lunch.

11. Jelly Belly factory tour.

12. Railroad Square antique shopping center & NWP RR museum.

13. Baseball game (Sacramento minor league).

14. Napa Wine Train (ride and dinner).

15. San Francisco Bay dinner cruise and boat ride.

16. Gold mine tour.

17. Tour of California's Capitol Complex and buildings.

18. Fireworks show at the State Fairgrounds (4th of July).

19. Raging Waters park in Sacramento. Take the kids and beat the heat!

Please note the above listing does not even begin to list the clinics and
industrial tours. More events and activities coming in the near future....

NOW is the time to order your official convention car -- both AF-compatible
and scale versions are available.

Click here for details:

http://www.x2011west.com/nasg.html#convcar

See you in Sacto.....Ed Loizeaux, Head S Guy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61376 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Alan Lambert
Alan,

Could you send me a email.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61377 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Driver Eight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DYVhBgRmQ&feature=related

I had this CD on the Stereo today as this song Driver Eight is by R.E.M.

Most of you never heard of this group, but the video is well done.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61378 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Thanks, Bob, that would be great! Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert A Persing
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:28 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Pete,I have a wiring digram on how to rewire flyer switches to
> use them in a reverse loop.I will email them if you want. Bob Persing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: amerflyerwanted@...
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:30 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
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> Hi All,
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> Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an
> automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B
> transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website
> using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not
> 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch &
> relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller &
> set for 2-train operation.
> Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.
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> Thanks,
> Pete Henningsen
> Milford, Ct.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61379 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Hi Tom, I failed to mention in my original post that I was able to successfully complete the loop using a.single DPDT switch & 2 right hand AF switches. My primary goal is to automate the process.

Thank you, Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:29 am
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Hi Scott,
> The easiest way to wire a Reverse Loop is to
> have the 695 Reverse Loop Relay. If you have a copy of the K-
> Line Service Manual the wiring instructions are located on pages
> 329, 330 and 331. If you do not have the 695 , you can use DPDT
> Toggle Switches. If you want to make a return Reverse Loop you
> would need a Right Hand and a Left Hand Switch. You can use
> these wiring diagrams with any size American Flyer
> transformers. 695 relays are tough to find. Usually run about
> $75 to $100 each.
> Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Tue, 9/7/10, Miller, Scott wrote:
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> From: Miller, Scott
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:30 AM
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> Switches
> were ganged to one controller & set for 2-train operation.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61380 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book - Found one!
Thanks for the responses. It is indeed in the "Small Railroads You Can Build" book. I have one on its way from Alibris with a publish date of 1954.

The arch bridge at the top of that layout is a major point of interest. I hope to use parts of the plan with a double track main this time. The other problem to solve is the downgrade. There must be a way to lengthen it and reduce the grade.

The next question I will pose is about layout planning software. I would really like to hear experiences recommendations for a package that produces nice results without the serious CAD learning curve.

Thanks again.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 61381 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: S Scale Turntable
Group: S-Trains Message: 61382 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Small Railroads You Can Build - Which One???
Hi All,

If you go to Amazon you'll find 10 different books with this title. Which author, edition, etc is the right one? Or are several of them just the same book, different editions?

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 61383 From: richs009 Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Pete or Bob -- I too would be interested in seeing such a wiring diagram - and I suspect there are other readers of this group who would like to see it also. Could one of you post it as a file (or picture) in the files/photos section??

Pete, in a followup post, you mention that you wanted the reverse loop to work 'automatically' - by which I presume you mean that the track switch or switches leading into/through the reverse loop would position itself/themselves automatically (?) If so, I'm not clear on how that is done without some sort of track trip somewhere in the reverse loop - or does the Flyer No. 695 Reverse loop relay do that in addition to switching the loop polarity??

thanks,

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:
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> Thanks, Bob, that would be great! Pete
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert A Persing
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:28 am
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Pete,I have a wiring digram on how to rewire flyer switches to
> > use them in a reverse loop.I will email them if you want. Bob Persing
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: amerflyerwanted@...
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:30 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
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> > Hi All,
> >
> > Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an
> > automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B
> > transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website
> > using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not
> > 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch &
> > relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller &
> > set for 2-train operation.
> > Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.
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> > Milford, Ct.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61384 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: TYPO CORRECTION
TYPO CORRECTION

Was:
G. Tour of California forest fighting airplanes maintenance facility at
nearby McClellan AFB.

Should be:
G. Tour of California's forest-fire-fighting airplane maintenance facility
at nearby McClellan AFB. Helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft and related
equipment used to quell forest fires will be seen.

Note: These airplanes fight the fires, not the forest. Just wanted to
clarify that.

See you in Sacto...Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61385 From: Timboy Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Request for pics of my Flyer layout under construction
Hi,

Several guys have asked me off-list if I would post some pics in the photo section for easy viewing, if people are afraid of or don't understand blogs. No problem. Here is a link to it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1222314980/pic/list

I will keep that album and my blog updated as work progresses.

My All-American, All-Flyer layout under construction blog at:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Thanks,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61386 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Alan Lambert
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star flyer club
arlington, Texas
 
Dear Mike,
Hope this gets to you. I just had to get a new CPU,  because my old one locked up and it was cheaper to get a new one. You are the first one that I sent an e-mail  to.
By the way, keep up the good work on your layout . I love the pictures of it and the insperation it gives me
Thanks,
Alan Lambert

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Alan Lambert
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 4:25 PM


 



Alan,

Could you send me a email.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61387 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: S GAUGE LAYOUT MAKES THE BIG TIME
Ed,

Thanks for the blurb about our upcoming show. However, your hyperlink didn't totally come across in the Digest, so here's another try:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/05/1329156/local-model-railroad-display-goes.html

I'll seize on this opportunity to invite our readers to the Treasure Valley Train Expo in Caldwell, Idaho (30 miles downriver from Boise) this weekend, Sept. 10-12. And, of course, we hope all of you can attend the 2011 NASG/NMRA Convention in Sacramento and see Lookout Junction at the adjacent National Train Show. If you've never visited the California State Railroad Museum in Old Sacramento, you're in for a treat. It's truly amazing!

YourS,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise (Go Broncos!)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61388 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: AFL Northern 800 Linkage
Hi All,

My AFL 6-48047 Northern has thrown the "pin" that holds the linkage on the valve link assembly. After searching the layout with a flashlight and a magnet, I finally found the pin hiding under a wire on an uncoupler - aha! The pin is almost too small for me to see, but it appears to have a groove in it. Is this a groove for the linkage to fit in? I'm assuming one pushes the pin through the linkage and it "snaps" into place, but I haven't tried that yet.

How does one install this pin?

Thanks in advance!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 61389 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Small Railroads You Can Build - Which One???
Hi BG1,

The one I was looking for was by Linn Wescott; Kalmbach Publishing. It was published in 1954 so it is pre-ISBN. There are several other editions, some quite pricy. I think the content is changed in each. The newest is by Bob Hayden.

The '54 version is the one my dad had. I recall building one of the simpler HO layouts from the book with him using fiber tie flextrack around 1960.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

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> Hi All,
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61390 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
In the photo section of our group look for bobbylines stuff they are there. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: richs009
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Reverse Loop



Pete or Bob -- I too would be interested in seeing such a wiring diagram - and I suspect there are other readers of this group who would like to see it also. Could one of you post it as a file (or picture) in the files/photos section??

Pete, in a followup post, you mention that you wanted the reverse loop to work 'automatically' - by which I presume you mean that the track switch or switches leading into/through the reverse loop would position itself/themselves automatically (?) If so, I'm not clear on how that is done without some sort of track trip somewhere in the reverse loop - or does the Flyer No. 695 Reverse loop relay do that in addition to switching the loop polarity??

thanks,

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:
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> Thanks, Bob, that would be great! Pete
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert A Persing
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:28 am
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Pete,I have a wiring digram on how to rewire flyer switches to
> > use them in a reverse loop.I will email them if you want. Bob Persing
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: amerflyerwanted@...
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:30 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
> >
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> > Hi All,
> >
> > Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an
> > automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B
> > transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website
> > using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not
> > 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch &
> > relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller &
> > set for 2-train operation.
> > Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Pete Henningsen
> > Milford, Ct.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61391 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Hi Pete,
                 You can do that with the 695 Relays or the converted switch tracks as Bob Pershing suggested.  If you use the switches, these must be the early type.  There was an article in the "S" Gaugian some years ago on how to do this.  The wiring diagram that Bob is sending you should be similar to that.
                                            Tom Seccia

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From: amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...>
Subject: Re: RE: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 6:45 AM







 









Hi Tom, I failed to mention in my original post that I was able to successfully complete the loop using a.single DPDT switch & 2 right hand AF switches. My primary goal is to automate the process.



Thank you, Pete



----- Original Message -----

From: Sheila Seccia

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:29 am

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com



> Hi Scott,

> The easiest way to wire a Reverse Loop is to

> have the 695 Reverse Loop Relay. If you have a copy of the K-

> Line Service Manual the wiring instructions are located on pages

> 329, 330 and 331. If you do not have the 695 , you can use DPDT

> Toggle Switches. If you want to make a return Reverse Loop you

> would need a Right Hand and a Left Hand Switch. You can use

> these wiring diagrams with any size American Flyer

> transformers. 695 relays are tough to find. Usually run about

> $75 to $100 each.

> Tom Seccia

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> --- On Tue, 9/7/10, Miller, Scott wrote:

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> From: Miller, Scott

> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:30 AM

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61392 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Hi Rich,
                      The 695 Reverse Loop relay operates automatically.  The manual operation is the 698 Reverse Loop Kit.  This kit has a control button with a DPDT switch inside and it is a slide toggle. The kit also includes 890 Track Terminals. Someone years ago designed a old style switch track to throw the reverse loop automatically.  I believe Bob Persing has that wiring diagram and that will help Pete solve his problem.  My repairman done 4 of these for customers about 5 years ago.
                                            Tom Seccia

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From: richs009 <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Reverse Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:01 PM







 









Pete or Bob -- I too would be interested in seeing such a wiring diagram - and I suspect there are other readers of this group who would like to see it also. Could one of you post it as a file (or picture) in the files/photos section??



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thanks,



Rich



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:

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> Thanks, Bob, that would be great! Pete

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Robert A Persing

> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:28 am

> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

>

> > Pete,I have a wiring digram on how to rewire flyer switches to

> > use them in a reverse loop.I will email them if you want. Bob Persing

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: amerflyerwanted@...

> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:30 PM

> > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop

> >

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> > Hi All,

> >

> > Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an

> > automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B

> > transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website

> > using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not

> > 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch &

> > relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller &

> > set for 2-train operation.

> > Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.

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> > Thanks,

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61393 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/8/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Hi Rich,
               Another note on the 695 Reverse Loop Relay.  It is green and looks like the base of the 761 Semaphore.  Many times you will see these at train shows and the seller may not know what it is.  You may get a good deal. These were cataloged in 1955 and 1956.
                                                  Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote:

From: richs009 <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Reverse Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:01 PM







 









Pete or Bob -- I too would be interested in seeing such a wiring diagram - and I suspect there are other readers of this group who would like to see it also. Could one of you post it as a file (or picture) in the files/photos section??



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thanks,



Rich



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:

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> Thanks, Bob, that would be great! Pete

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Robert A Persing

> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:28 am

> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

>

> > Pete,I have a wiring digram on how to rewire flyer switches to

> > use them in a reverse loop.I will email them if you want. Bob Persing

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: amerflyerwanted@...

> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:30 PM

> > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop

> >

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> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an

> > automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a 30B

> > transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great website

> > using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work. Not

> > 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch &

> > relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one controller &

> > set for 2-train operation.

> > Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61394 From: vito4cal Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: Want to trade S Helper wheel sets
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Manderman@... wrote:
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> Hi gang,
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> I have over 20 sets (that's 80 axles) of "SCALE" S Helper wheels on axles that I would like to trade with someone for an equal number of "Hi Rail" wheels sets.
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> I would like to exchange at least 10 sets at a time to make the shipping reasonable but will consider smaller amounts also.
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> Contact me off list at manderman@... to arrange a swap....
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> Thanks
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> Mark Anderman
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Mark:

Are you still looking for a trade? I have at least 50 sets of Hi Rail wheel sets I would be happy to exchange.

John Gibson
Rocklin, CA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61395 From: Monte Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Reverse loops
A diagram for using the Atlas #200 snap relays can be found at: www.tuveson.com/AtlasReverseLoopRelay/ac_reverse_loop_relay.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61396 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book - Found one!
I looked for the plan in my copy of that book, and there is nothing
like it there. Apparently the book changed over the years. My copy
has a slightly different ISBN (last four digits are different) and it
says first printing was in 1978. Mine is the 1994 printing.

As to layout planning software, I recommend RRtrack software. It is
easy to use and has an S-gauge library of track that includes just about
everything available, original Flyer, including 54" diameter K-line
curves, Gargraves, AM, S-helper, and American Classic S. AF S gauge
accessories library is also available. Mine was included with the S
gauge track library.

Dale

On 9/8/2010 7:01 AM, tbennerohio wrote:
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> Thanks for the responses. It is indeed in the "Small Railroads You Can
> Build" book. I have one on its way from Alibris with a publish date of
> 1954.
>
> The arch bridge at the top of that layout is a major point of
> interest. I hope to use parts of the plan with a double track main
> this time. The other problem to solve is the downgrade. There must be
> a way to lengthen it and reduce the grade.
>
> The next question I will pose is about layout planning software. I
> would really like to hear experiences recommendations for a package
> that produces nice results without the serious CAD learning curve.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61397 From: grant bishop Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for OLD track plan book - Found one!
There are a few X track groups on yahoo and it's free to download. The
latest version has most S scale tracks with the correct lengths & track
radius

I got it all set up but never used it, I liked playing with the actual
tracks and doing it that way instead of on paper..too much like work and not
fun I guess (at least for me!)



Grant Bishop

^--^ ( WOOF! )
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61398 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Another way to handle reverse loops
_http://www.dallee.com/catalog_download.htm_
(http://www.dallee.com/catalog_download.htm)


go to bottom of page, click on Automatic Reverse Loops

UNDER THAT

_POWERING 'S' SWITCHES with TRAK-DTRL_
(http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Appl;ication%20Notes/App%20Note%20-%20Am%20S%20Gauge%20Switch.pdf)

DALLEE in stock


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61399 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: 155 RR cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N9q-15f5b8&NR=1

This was sent to me, so I will pass it along.

155 rr cars being pulled by a Big Boy Engine.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61400 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Glen Rock, PA RR Mural
http://marshalladams.com/newmurals.html

http://www.conradkadel.com/backyardtourist/yorkrailtrail/yorkrailtrail5.html

Last weekend, Linda and I where in York, PA for the 3rd time this year, as the first time was in April for York, then Memorial Day weekend for baseball and bike riding, and again, Labor Day weekend for more baseball and bike riding.

Over the summer, one of the buildings in Glen Rock, had a mural painted on its backside facing the rail trail, as the RR tracks are still down along the trail from York to the MD line, where the trail continues to north of Baltimore.

The first link, shows you a overall view of the mural, as it is the third picture down, two shots and then someone else on a blog got some close ups. I did not bring my camera since I have so many pictures of the trail.

As for the fair grounds, there was a semi annual antique show going on as they only where in one hall, according to the brochure I read.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61401 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/9/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern 800 Linkage - HELP!!!
Hi All,

I'm replying to my own post - lol. After closer examination, the pin does not have a groove. It appears to just slide into the linkage. I can get it in place, but just a little bit of movement and it falls back out again. I'm tempted to put a little glue on it, but am afraid it would prevent the linkage from moving.

Any help getting this pin properly re-set is greatly appreciated!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> My AFL 6-48047 Northern has thrown the "pin" that holds the linkage on the valve link assembly. After searching the layout with a flashlight and a magnet, I finally found the pin hiding under a wire on an uncoupler - aha! The pin is almost too small for me to see, but it appears to have a groove in it. Is this a groove for the linkage to fit in? I'm assuming one pushes the pin through the linkage and it "snaps" into place, but I haven't tried that yet.
>
> How does one install this pin?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61402 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern 800 Linkage - HELP!!!
Bg1,

I belive the pins are swedged a bit on the back side to keep them in place
like the ACG rods were.
Note that some of the pins are insulated. see link:
http://www.tuveson.com/800northern/rodinsulators.htm

Rod assys are available and only $4 each.

6408047240 - ECC CRANK&ROD ASSY(LH)NORTHERN
6408047140 - ECC CRANK&ROD ASSY(RH)NORTHERN

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:20 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AFL Northern 800 Linkage - HELP!!!



Hi All,

I'm replying to my own post - lol. After closer examination, the pin does
not have a groove. It appears to just slide into the linkage. I can get it
in place, but just a little bit of movement and it falls back out again. I'm
tempted to put a little glue on it, but am afraid it would prevent the
linkage from moving.

Any help getting this pin properly re-set is greatly appreciated!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> My AFL 6-48047 Northern has thrown the "pin" that holds the linkage on
the valve link assembly. After searching the layout with a flashlight and a
magnet, I finally found the pin hiding under a wire on an uncoupler - aha!
The pin is almost too small for me to see, but it appears to have a groove
in it. Is this a groove for the linkage to fit in? I'm assuming one pushes
the pin through the linkage and it "snaps" into place, but I haven't tried
that yet.
>
> How does one install this pin?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> BG1
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61403 From: Timboy Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Rich Gough
Rich Gough,

My answers to your off-list emails to me always bounce, so I'll answer you here. Do I live in the Seattle area? No.

I'm getting close to completing the Beacon Hill vista on my large All-American, All-Flyer layout. I have a revolving airplane beacon coming. When I get it, I'll cut it in half to use the upper half on top of that tall mountain. I'm in the process of hand-laying some track on the lower levels. It's good to see a section's worth of l-girder subroadbed get closed off. It is giving the appearance of track winding through wide-open scenery, which is what I want.

To follow this build, visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61404 From: barb Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: S Scale Turntable
Brady,

I have a Bowser turntable on my layout and it works great. I found it on Ebay - or shall I say some of the folks on this list spotted it and, knowing I was looking for one, let me know. I bid on it and won.

I love it and it works well.

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 61405 From: rick gough Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Rich Gough
it something to do with'chat' that messes up emails. got yours. thought you might be on beacon hill in seattle. looking for local people with layouts to play with but most are out of the city.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Rich Gough
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 10:07 AM



Waitlist reason: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com |





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61406 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: 155 RR Cars
Mike,
 
Yes, this is the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers from our
2-weekend show last May in Mauldin, SC. This 155 car consist also was pulled by
an SHS A-B-B-A and my American Models Northern. You can see me in the video at
the far right end as I also was videographing this train.
 
Joe
 
Joe's Train Repair
Now an Authorized Lionel Service Station
 
#######################################################
 
Posted by: "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@...   mlmarmer2000
Thu Sep 9, 2010 8:02 pm (PDT)


http://www.youtube com/watch? v=8N9q-15f5b8& NR=1

This was sent to me, so I will pass it along.

155 rr cars being pulled by a Big Boy Engine.

Mike Marmer

 Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 61407 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: For Sale: 3 Americam Models boxcars
I am helping a widow sell her late husband's collection.  For reference purposes, I show 2010
Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.
Pictures available on request.



All were originally sold as kits, but
have been assembled and are ready to run.  Their wheels, however, are
bright and shiny, indicating they have never been run.  They have hi-rail wheels, spring-cushioned trucks, and non-operating Gilbert-compatible knuckle couplers.  All cars have spots
where the glue is visible; it's obvious they were not assembled at
the factory.






#114 PRR numbered 47898.  
#115 ATSF numbered 146397

#115 ATSF
numbered 146285.   This car has
two wheels that look like they might have been run, but the other
wheel on the same axle shows no sign of us.  One step is missing.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61408 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/10/2010
Subject: Question: #1250 Transformer by American Flyer Mfg. Co.
I got this in the estate collection I'm selling.  It appears to be a Pre-Gilbert Flyer Transformer.  Can anybody tell me what it's worth, and are any of you interested in buying it?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61409 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: KBS RR
http://www.kbsrailroad.com/index.html

On our drive to Hancock. MD to go bike riding on the Western MD Rail Trail, I saw a modern cab tractor trailer hauling a trailer that old looking, green with white writing on the side, which I thought said, Kansas, Beaverville and Southern Railroad with white stripes under the writing.

I never heard of this RR as I figured it had to be a short line.

I did not find anything for the line when I googled the name, but another name came up with Kansas being Kankakee and the truck company SCT is located in GA.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61410 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: Train Meet Sunday
The WORLD FAMOUS " HAMBURG DUTCH TRAIN MEET" is this Sunday, September
12th at the Hamburg Field House, In Hamburg PA.

The Field House is just 4 blocks from US Rts 78 & 22, on Pine St off of
FOURTH St. FOURTH St is the Exit St from 22-78.

NorthBound on PA Rt 61, you would bear to the RIGHT onto Fourth St, pass
the Fire Station and turn RIGHT up the hill to the parking lot.

Admission at the door is $ 4.00 per ADULT, Children FREE, Doors open at 9
AM til 1 PM.

My only involvement is as a table holder, with WARDIE-JAY TinPlate Ties,
Plasticville Parts & other goodies.

Jim "hope to see you in Hamburg" Lyle


BTW, NEXT Sunday ( 19th ) is ORIGINAL Gilbertsville Train Meet ,Rt 73, in
Gilbertsville, PA. 8:30 AM til 1:30 PM,
Contact Mark Lehmann--215-657-2477 for tables
ADULT $ 3.00, Children under 12 FREE

RCTHS Show, Sunday Oct 3rd at Leesport Farmers Mkt, 9 AM til 2 Pm,
Contact Dale Miller--610-372-3759 for tables
Adult Admission $ 4.00, Chilren under 12 Free

MORE TO COME



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61411 From: David Engle Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: Re: KBS RR
Look in central Illinois for Kankakee, Beaverville, & Southern.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael & Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S Trains ; Steve Conard
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] KBS RR



http://www.kbsrailroad.com/index.html

On our drive to Hancock. MD to go bike riding on the Western MD Rail Trail, I saw a modern cab tractor trailer hauling a trailer that old looking, green with white writing on the side, which I thought said, Kansas, Beaverville and Southern Railroad with white stripes under the writing.

I never heard of this RR as I figured it had to be a short line.

I did not find anything for the line when I googled the name, but another name came up with Kansas being Kankakee and the truck company SCT is located in GA.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61412 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/11/2010
Subject: Re: KBS RR
They transport bird seed in many of the 284 covered hoppers they own. A very important product in the scope of the GNP, Gross National Product. I am sure many birds are very happy about this.

Just kidding, as they do list bird seed as one product they move, by freight rail. Thank goodness for freight rail.

Mike Marmer


From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:29 PM
To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S Trains ; Steve Conard
Subject: [S-Trains] KBS RR



http://www.kbsrailroad.com/index.html

On our drive to Hancock. MD to go bike riding on the Western MD Rail Trail, I saw a modern cab tractor trailer hauling a trailer that old looking, green with white writing on the side, which I thought said, Kansas, Beaverville and Southern Railroad with white stripes under the writing.

I never heard of this RR as I figured it had to be a short line.

I did not find anything for the line when I googled the name, but another name came up with Kansas being Kankakee and the truck company SCT is located in GA.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61413 From: David Engle Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: Re: KBS RR
Fine, just so they don't get anything fowled up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael & Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S Trains ; Steve Conard
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] KBS RR



They transport bird seed in many of the 284 covered hoppers they own. A very important product in the scope of the GNP, Gross National Product. I am sure many birds are very happy about this.

Just kidding, as they do list bird seed as one product they move, by freight rail. Thank goodness for freight rail.

Mike Marmer

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:29 PM
To: Toy Trains ; S Scale ; S Trains ; Steve Conard
Subject: [S-Trains] KBS RR

http://www.kbsrailroad.com/index.html

On our drive to Hancock. MD to go bike riding on the Western MD Rail Trail, I saw a modern cab tractor trailer hauling a trailer that old looking, green with white writing on the side, which I thought said, Kansas, Beaverville and Southern Railroad with white stripes under the writing.

I never heard of this RR as I figured it had to be a short line.

I did not find anything for the line when I googled the name, but another name came up with Kansas being Kankakee and the truck company SCT is located in GA.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61414 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: AFL Northern 800 Linkage and Battery
Hi All,

I built a small jig using a very small socket and a pair of channel locks to "press" the linkage pin back in place. So far it has not fallen out again.

Now let's talk about putting a battery in the tender. Why did they place the tender shell screws under the %^@#$ trucks? Again back to the mini screw driver set and 15 minutes later the six screws were finally removed. Pop the battery in, put the shell back in place and fight almost an hour to get the six screws back in. What a major pain in the backside that was. But I do like the additional sound effects.

Next week while I'm back in China I might try to slip a mechanic back in my luggage just to work on these $%&%$ Flyonel trains!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 61415 From: Timboy Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Guys:

As promised, I have taken quite a few shots of my completed Beacon Hill project. I uploaded one to my album on this forum. Here is a link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1222314980/pic/list

The rest can be seen at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

I think you'll want to take the time to go to my blog to see these. I found a better camera setting and set up some shots that I think really show it off, IMHO.

Now it is time to move on to the next vista project. I have two built and about 10 more to go.

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61416 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/12/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/12/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday September 12, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61417 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop
Rich, Sorry to take so long to answer; Don't know for sure about 695 as I've never even seen one, but it's instruction sheet says 2 relays are needed if 2 switches are used. The only way I've been able to accomplish this so far is w/ a DPDT toggle switch & trying to coordinate this while running other trains & accessories takes all the fun out! I'm looking into another device that's supposed to sense the short and act instantly without any operator input. I'll post that info when I get it.

Pete Henningsen
Milford, Ct.

----- Original Message -----
From: richs009
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 7:22 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Reverse Loop
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Pete or Bob -- I too would be interested in seeing such a wiring
> diagram - and I suspect there are other readers of this group
> who would like to see it also. Could one of you post it as a
> file (or picture) in the files/photos section??
>
> Pete, in a followup post, you mention that you wanted the
> reverse loop to work 'automatically' - by which I presume you
> mean that the track switch or switches leading into/through the
> reverse loop would position itself/themselves automatically (?)
> If so, I'm not clear on how that is done without some sort of
> track trip somewhere in the reverse loop - or does the Flyer No.
> 695 Reverse loop relay do that in addition to switching the loop
> polarity??
> thanks,
>
> Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Bob, that would be great! Pete
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert A Persing
> > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:28 am
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Pete,I have a wiring digram on how to rewire flyer switches
> to
> > > use them in a reverse loop.I will email them if you want.
> Bob Persing
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: amerflyerwanted@...
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:30 PM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have directions & a wiring diagram to build an
> > > automated return loop with 2 AF switches, using AF track & a
> 30B
> > > transformer? Tried using info from Carl Tuveson's great
> website
> > > using 2 Atlas 200 relays, but was unable to get it to work.
> Not
> > > 100% sure of my wiring because diagram shows only one switch
> &
> > > relay instaed of 2 ea. Switches were ganged to one
> controller &
> > > set for 2-train operation.
> > > Any guidence would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Pete Henningsen
> > > Milford, Ct.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61418 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
Hi All,

Now that I'm through working on it (at least for the time being), I've posted a video of the Union Pacific Northern 4-8-4 locomotive on YouTube. You can view it at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP1KQ20kb5A

Check out my other videos while you're there.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 61419 From: piccu56 Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Bruce D Manson Passes Away
Bruce passed away Friday. An icon of the S Gauge American Flyer world.

http://thegroffs.com/blog/?p=107
Group: S-Trains Message: 61420 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
That is some excellent and inspiring work. Thanks for sharing, Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Completion of Beacon Hill!

Guys:

As promised, I have taken quite a few shots of my completed Beacon Hill
project. I uploaded one to my album on this forum. Here is a link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1222314980/pic/list

The rest can be seen at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

I think you'll want to take the time to go to my blog to see these. I
found a better camera setting and set up some shots that I think really
show it off, IMHO.

Now it is time to move on to the next vista project. I have two built
and about 10 more to go.

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61421 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/13/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
Hey BG1-

Don't look now, but Paul Bunyan dropped a door knob on your layout! :) Thanks for the enjoyable video.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:14:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Northern Video on YouTube






Hi All,

Now that I'm through working on it (at least for the time being), I've posted a video of the Union Pacific Northern 4-8-4 locomotive on YouTube. You can view it at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP1KQ20kb5A

Check out my other videos while you're there.

BG1




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61422 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
Hi Jim,

That's the world's largest trailer hitch ball. The extra weight makes the loco pull all 18V from the 30B transformer. This produces maximum smoke output - stilll not as much smoke as any old AF steam loco produces.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote:
>
>
> Hey BG1-
>
> Don't look now, but Paul Bunyan dropped a door knob on your layout! :) Thanks for the enjoyable video.
> Jim E.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:14:14 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Northern Video on YouTube
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Now that I'm through working on it (at least for the time being), I've posted a video of the Union Pacific Northern 4-8-4 locomotive on YouTube. You can view it at:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP1KQ20kb5A
>
> Check out my other videos while you're there.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61423 From: gigeastman Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: New Guy With A Question
I recognize some of the names here. I am primarily a O gauge guy that majors in Marx with a minor in most any other type tin. I also have a handful of S with no place to run them "yet". Also have 30 All Aboard panels for a future project or to sell. I just added a Northern to the loco fleet. It's been repainted but am guessing a 336. My question; I am familiar with the early O gauge chuggers the size of a mortar launcher that go in the tender and also never work due to exploded castings. What did the newer chuggers look like. I looked at the parts list of some of the later Northerns and Hudsons that should have a chugger, but saw nothing. Is it integrated into the smoke unit.

thanks

Steve "Papa" Eastman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61424 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: New Hallmark 1/64 fire engine.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61425 From: Edward Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: AFL Northern Video on YouTube
You better look again ...Its a Trailer hitch ball....which is 1-7/8 or maybe 2" is that close to 3/16...Nawwwwww


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote:
>
>
> Hey BG1-
>
> Don't look now, but Paul Bunyan dropped a door knob on your layout! :) Thanks for the enjoyable video.
> Jim E.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:14:14 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Northern Video on YouTube
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Now that I'm through working on it (at least for the time being), I've posted a video of the Union Pacific Northern 4-8-4 locomotive on YouTube. You can view it at:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP1KQ20kb5A
>
> Check out my other videos while you're there.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61426 From: Timboy Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Thanks Bill! Whenever I have more done, I'll upload pics, update my blog and post about it here.

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> That is some excellent and inspiring work. Thanks for sharing, Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Timboy
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:44 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Completion of Beacon Hill!
>
> Guys:
>
> As promised, I have taken quite a few shots of my completed Beacon Hill
> project. I uploaded one to my album on this forum. Here is a link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1222314980/pic/list
>
> The rest can be seen at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
>
> I think you'll want to take the time to go to my blog to see these. I
> found a better camera setting and set up some shots that I think really
> show it off, IMHO.
>
> Now it is time to move on to the next vista project. I have two built
> and about 10 more to go.
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61427 From: grant bishop Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
I only know of the Beacon Hill in Long Beach CA, is this that one before the
apartments got built on it?

I am sure there are a few 'Beacon Hills' in the US.

Grant



Grant Bishop

^--^ ( WOOF! )
(o o)------- ^
/ o \ --------))
U ||)))))))||
/_\ /_\





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61428 From: Bill Drake Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Answer is: It depends -
 
1946 and 1947 have a smoke unit built into the tender that also provides the chugging sound effect. 1948 and on have an integrated smoke and chug unit in the boiler.
 
Bill Drake

--- On Mon, 9/13/10, gigeastman <gigeastman@...> wrote:


From: gigeastman <gigeastman@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] New Guy With A Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 11:45 PM


 



I recognize some of the names here. I am primarily a O gauge guy that majors in Marx with a minor in most any other type tin. I also have a handful of S with no place to run them "yet". Also have 30 All Aboard panels for a future project or to sell. I just added a Northern to the loco fleet. It's been repainted but am guessing a 336. My question; I am familiar with the early O gauge chuggers the size of a mortar launcher that go in the tender and also never work due to exploded castings. What did the newer chuggers look like. I looked at the parts list of some of the later Northerns and Hudsons that should have a chugger, but saw nothing. Is it integrated into the smoke unit.

thanks

Steve "Papa" Eastman











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61429 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/14/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Welcome to S-Trains, Steve. I can't wait until some of these folks see
your YouTube videos.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gigeastman
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:46 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New Guy With A Question

I recognize some of the names here. I am primarily a O gauge guy that
majors in Marx with a minor in most any other type tin. I also have a
handful of S with no place to run them "yet". Also have 30 All Aboard
panels for a future project or to sell. I just added a Northern to the
loco fleet. It's been repainted but am guessing a 336. My question; I
am familiar with the early O gauge chuggers the size of a mortar
launcher that go in the tender and also never work due to exploded
castings. What did the newer chuggers look like. I looked at the parts
list of some of the later Northerns and Hudsons that should have a
chugger, but saw nothing. Is it integrated into the smoke unit.

thanks

Steve "Papa" Eastman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61430 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Absolutely, Steve.

The chugger in the "newer" Gilbert Flyer units are purely mechanical and
elegantly simple. The smoke unit might burn out, or the piston and cylinder
might get clogged by a spider's nest, lint or some such, but the worm gear
drive in the engine will wear out before the chugger itself does. In my
experience, if the locomotive runs and the chugger/smoke unit is in place,
it will chug.

In over twenty-five years of running Gilbert Flyer steam engines nearly
non-stop at shows and for the month of December at the Oregon State Capitol
for the holidays, I have never had an engine so equipped fail to chug. And
I have never had a Flyer locomotive chugging fail to impress the public with
its sound even when surrounded by the latest in electronic sound technology.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: <gigeastman@...>
To: "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...>
Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question


> Thanks Alan, That diagram is exactly what I needed to see. The smoker and
> chugger being made into one somewhat small unit was quite an advance over
> just a few years earlier. Were the newer chug units more durable than the
> older tender mounted ones?
>
> Steve "Papa" Eastman
>
> ---- Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote:
>
> =============
> Hello Steve and friends,
>
> I, too, enjoy all of your tinplate video posts. I am a Flyer guy who
> loves tinplate and Marx 6 inch tinplate particularly.
>
> Here is a link to a Flyer catalog page on the wonderful MyFlyerTrains.org
> site that shows the chugger piston and baffle that is integrated with the
> smoke unit in the boiler after the tender system was replaced:
>
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1952Catalog/AF_1952_catalog_page4.htm
>
> A 336 should have such a system.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alan Bennett
> Keizer, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61431 From: gigeastman@roadrunner.com Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Thanks Alan, That diagram is exactly what I needed to see. The smoker and chugger being made into one somewhat small unit was quite an advance over just a few years earlier. Were the newer chug units more durable than the older tender mounted ones?

Steve "Papa" Eastman

---- Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote:

=============
Hello Steve and friends,

I, too, enjoy all of your tinplate video posts. I am a Flyer guy who loves tinplate and Marx 6 inch tinplate particularly.

Here is a link to a Flyer catalog page on the wonderful MyFlyerTrains.org site that shows the chugger piston and baffle that is integrated with the smoke unit in the boiler after the tender system was replaced:

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1952Catalog/AF_1952_catalog_page4.htm

A 336 should have such a system.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 61432 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: New Guy With A Question
Hello Steve and friends,

I, too, enjoy all of your tinplate video posts. I am a Flyer guy who loves tinplate and Marx 6 inch tinplate particularly.

Here is a link to a Flyer catalog page on the wonderful MyFlyerTrains.org site that shows the chugger piston and baffle that is integrated with the smoke unit in the boiler after the tender system was replaced:

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1952Catalog/AF_1952_catalog_page4.htm

A 336 should have such a system.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61433 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61434 From: gigeastman Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Thanks Bill
I'll share this one being as there is at least some 3/16 scale O gauge running and this is from the day you & John were over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8NhGyc1vz8

Same engine here, just pulling a much longer string.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLS3zIrjFE

Steve Eastman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to S-Trains, Steve. I can't wait until some of these folks see
> your YouTube videos.
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of gigeastman
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:46 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] New Guy With A Question
>
> I recognize some of the names here. I am primarily a O gauge guy that
> majors in Marx with a minor in most any other type tin. I also have a
> handful of S with no place to run them "yet". Also have 30 All Aboard
> panels for a future project or to sell. I just added a Northern to the
> loco fleet. It's been repainted but am guessing a 336. My question; I
> am familiar with the early O gauge chuggers the size of a mortar
> launcher that go in the tender and also never work due to exploded
> castings. What did the newer chuggers look like. I looked at the parts
> list of some of the later Northerns and Hudsons that should have a
> chugger, but saw nothing. Is it integrated into the smoke unit.
>
> thanks
>
> Steve "Papa" Eastman
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61435 From: gigeastman Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Thanks Bill
The tender houses a speaker and a controller. I have not taken the engine apart but the smoke unit is easily visible so your response makes sense to me. It is in the very deep roundtuit file for now, but it will someday grace the rails again.

thanks

Steve Eastman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:
>
> Answer is: It depends -
>  
> 1946 and 1947 have a smoke unit built into the tender that also provides the chugging sound effect. 1948 and on have an integrated smoke and chug unit in the boiler.
>  
> Bill Drake
>
> --- On Mon, 9/13/10, gigeastman <gigeastman@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: gigeastman <gigeastman@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] New Guy With A Question
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 11:45 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I recognize some of the names here. I am primarily a O gauge guy that majors in Marx with a minor in most any other type tin. I also have a handful of S with no place to run them "yet". Also have 30 All Aboard panels for a future project or to sell. I just added a Northern to the loco fleet. It's been repainted but am guessing a 336. My question; I am familiar with the early O gauge chuggers the size of a mortar launcher that go in the tender and also never work due to exploded castings. What did the newer chuggers look like. I looked at the parts list of some of the later Northerns and Hudsons that should have a chugger, but saw nothing. Is it integrated into the smoke unit.
>
> thanks
>
> Steve "Papa" Eastman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61436 From: Timboy Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: Completion of Beacon Hill!
Hi Grant,

I didn't model it after any existing Beacon Hill that I know of. LOL I tend to name landmarks on my layout by way of what they are or what they do or what they resemble to me. I once had a "Bird**** Mountain" on a layout because it looked like the top of it was covered with, well - guano. LOL I think the next large mountain I build will get named, "Stand-Up Mountain" - because I'll need to be able to stand up inside of it to get at some hidden track. Anyway, as I go along with this build and you or anyone can think of a more interesting name for something I've built on that layout, then please post your idea to me! That would be fun!

It may be a little while before I can post pics of my progress. The cooler weather outside has me thinking of a deck and some landscaping that I've been threatening to do while I was down in my train cave all summer.

See what I've done to date at my blog:
http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "grant bishop" <gwbishop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I only know of the Beacon Hill in Long Beach CA, is this that one before the
> apartments got built on it?
>
> I am sure there are a few 'Beacon Hills' in the US.
>
> Grant
>
>
>
> Grant Bishop
>
> ^--^ ( WOOF! )
> (o o)------- ^
> / o \ --------))
> U ||)))))))||
> /_\ /_\
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61437 From: Ray Puls Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: reverse loops
I have done reverse loops using two Flyer switches with the Atlas relay. I also
needed to use an additional relay which reverses the polarity in the loop when
the switches are thrown and is instantaneous as to not drop the reversing unit,
the headlight does not even flicker. If the info you have does not accomplish
what you want to do I can send you a diagram for what I did.
Ray 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61438 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Brady-
This may be the most fun of all stages. At least it was to me. You're not bound by anything permanent yet. Have fun and try all kinds of arrangements. After things get positioned and wired in, it's harder to let the creativity and imagination take flight, especially as the work load increases every time you want to make a change.
Anyway, have fun - that's what it's all about!
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brady Burdge" <brady@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:36:40 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Building a Small American Flyer Layout






The beginning...

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/132100774

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61439 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Confused....
Can anyone help me figure out this new Yahoo world? I had to set up a new account with a dot com-rocketmail-that does not get my individual emails to me. There were only three options that I saw when i had to establish a new account, and one of them was not my email server.
Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61440 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Steve,

The answer to your question is definitely yes for a couple of reasons.
The older S gauge tender mounted units, for the most part, used a
flexible bellows to push the air through the baffle and into the smoke
unit. This could wear and come apart at the glue seams. Also the new
boiler mounted units eliminated the second and very small motor, which
was another maintenance issue. From what I understand, after the
initial race with Lionel to introduce smoke in 1946, they almost
immediately embarked on the development of the new boiler mounted version.

An excellent article on the development of Flyer Smoke, which was always
integrated with Choo-Choo in some way, can be found in the Train
Collectors Quarterly, Summer 1981, at page 20. (Vol 27, No.4) "Where
There's Smoke, There's Flyer" It is an interesting story of the
development of smoke by Flyer.

Dale


On 9/14/2010 9:40 PM, gigeastman@... wrote:
>
> Thanks Alan, That diagram is exactly what I needed to see. The smoker
> and chugger being made into one somewhat small unit was quite an
> advance over just a few years earlier. Were the newer chug units more
> durable than the older tender mounted ones?
>
>
> __._,_._
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61441 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Fwd: NYTimes.com: China Shifts From Emphasis on Low-Cost Factories
FYI
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61442 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/15/2010
Subject: Small Layout ideas
I like the KISS principle: Keep It Simple Stupid! You don't have a lot of space, so don't be in a hurry to "junk it up" with a lot stuff. This was a problem with layouts in the fifties when the "Spaghetti Bowl" type layout was popular.
Open area gives the impression of more space than there actually is!
If using an oval track plan, don't run it around the edges, put the oval on the tables at an angle to break up the standard look. Add straights on curves here and there to break up the basic oval look.
Use structures with a small footprint so as not to use up ground.
There are all kind of ways to deceive the eye, even in small spaces.
Then there is a different way to go, which has become popular in recent years; Micro Layouts. These are tiny layouts that are portable and loaded with detail that make use of every inch of space. Check out Carl Arendt's excellent Micro Layout site at: www.carendt.com
Even if you go with a conventional type layout, there's much to learn from the Micro Layout site. It takes model railroading to an art form.
Best of luck with your project! If I get back from announcing the races in time, we'll CHAT further Sunday evening.
Stumpy Stone...multiple layout builder in nearly every scale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61443 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: reverse loops
Hi Ray, Please send diagram_so far I've managed to cook 2 Atlas relays!
Thanks, Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Puls
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:49 am
Subject: [S-Trains] reverse loops
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> I have done reverse loops using two Flyer switches with the
> Atlas relay. I also
> needed to use an additional relay which reverses the polarity in
> the loop when
> the switches are thrown and is instantaneous as to not drop the
> reversing unit,
> the headlight does not even flicker. If the info you have does
> not accomplish
> what you want to do I can send you a diagram for what I did.
> Ray
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61444 From: Bruce Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Just when you think you've seen everything........
Wow. Just when you think you've seen everything!

I thought this one might interest a few of you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-RARE-1946-342-SIT-TENDER-FLOOR-/330473024860?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf1ba2d5c

While you are there, check out the last two entries on his feedback.

Bruce DeGailler, Sr.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61445 From: gigeastman Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Thanks Dale, I'll take a look at it. Lots to learn.

Steve

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> The answer to your question is definitely yes for a couple of reasons.
> The older S gauge tender mounted units, for the most part, used a
> flexible bellows to push the air through the baffle and into the smoke
> unit. This could wear and come apart at the glue seams. Also the new
> boiler mounted units eliminated the second and very small motor, which
> was another maintenance issue. From what I understand, after the
> initial race with Lionel to introduce smoke in 1946, they almost
> immediately embarked on the development of the new boiler mounted version.
>
> An excellent article on the development of Flyer Smoke, which was always
> integrated with Choo-Choo in some way, can be found in the Train
> Collectors Quarterly, Summer 1981, at page 20. (Vol 27, No.4) "Where
> There's Smoke, There's Flyer" It is an interesting story of the
> development of smoke by Flyer.
>
> Dale
>
>
> On 9/14/2010 9:40 PM, gigeastman@... wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Alan, That diagram is exactly what I needed to see. The smoker
> > and chugger being made into one somewhat small unit was quite an
> > advance over just a few years earlier. Were the newer chug units more
> > durable than the older tender mounted ones?
> >
> >
> > __._,_._
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61446 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Not quite. The 301 had a chugger but no smoke and of course the
prewar O gauge chuggers had no smoke.Alistair
On Thu 16/09/10 3:59 AM , Dale Smith dfsmith26@... sent:
Steve,
The answer to your question is definitely yes for a couple of
reasons.
The older S gauge tender mounted units, for the most part, used a
flexible bellows to push the air through the baffle and into the
smoke
unit. This could wear and come apart at the glue seams. Also the new

boiler mounted units eliminated the second and very small motor,
which
was another maintenance issue. From what I understand, after the
initial race with Lionel to introduce smoke in 1946, they almost
immediately embarked on the development of the new boiler mounted
version.
An excellent article on the development of Flyer Smoke, which was
always
integrated with Choo-Choo in some way, can be found in the Train
Collectors Quarterly, Summer 1981, at page 20. (Vol 27, No.4) "Where

There's Smoke, There's Flyer" It is an interesting story of the
development of smoke by Flyer.
Dale
On 9/14/2010 9:40 PM, gigeastman@... [1] wrote:
>
> Thanks Alan, That diagram is exactly what I needed to see. The
smoker
> and chugger being made into one somewhat small unit was quite an
> advance over just a few years earlier. Were the newer chug units
more
> durable than the older tender mounted ones?
>
>
> __._,_._
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61447 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Bachmann S gauge trolley
Several years ago I converted an Athearn HO diesel chassis to S gauge to power a GE 44 tonner. It ran well but did not look right under the shell. So I removed it and found a PHM chassis to power the shell. The Athearn chassis was forgotten in my parts bin until I was spring(fall) cleaning last week. I got to thinking I should use it for something. I had an unused Bachmann 0n30 trolley shell in storage and got the idea to power it with the Athearn power unit. It took a week of cutting and rebuilding but it is finished and it works. I put a photo in the photo section under Wayne's funny cars and a video on youtube. The address for the video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gbwDJEepTc Don't ask me how I did any of it. I don't remember.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 61448 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Steve,

It goes both ways. I looked at your Marx clockwork motor review and
was fascinated, especially by the "mother's curse." It was very well done.

Dale

On 9/15/2010 11:06 PM, gigeastman wrote:
>
> Thanks Dale, I'll take a look at it. Lots to learn.
>
> Steve
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > The answer to your question is definitely yes for a couple of reasons.
> > The older S gauge tender mounted units, for the most part, used a
> > flexible bellows to push the air through the baffle and into the smoke
> > unit. This could wear and come apart at the glue seams. Also the new
> > boiler mounted units eliminated the second and very small motor, which
> > was another maintenance issue. From what I understand, after the
> > initial race with Lionel to introduce smoke in 1946, they almost
> > immediately embarked on the development of the new boiler mounted
> version.
> >
> > An excellent article on the development of Flyer Smoke, which was
> always
> > integrated with Choo-Choo in some way, can be found in the Train
> > Collectors Quarterly, Summer 1981, at page 20. (Vol 27, No.4) "Where
> > There's Smoke, There's Flyer" It is an interesting story of the
> > development of smoke by Flyer.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> > On 9/14/2010 9:40 PM, gigeastman@... wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Alan, That diagram is exactly what I needed to see. The smoker
> > > and chugger being made into one somewhat small unit was quite an
> > > advance over just a few years earlier. Were the newer chug units more
> > > durable than the older tender mounted ones?
> > >
> > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61449 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: Just when you think you've seen everything........
I guess it is 1946 based on the thin shank coupler, but aren't there a
few things missing, like a smoke unit? Well, he did say floor, so I
guess he is throwing in the motor just to show what a great guy he is.
Would have been nice if he gave measurements so that one could confirm
it was indeed from a 342. I doubt anyone will fall for this one.

Dale

On 9/15/2010 8:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
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>
>
> Wow. Just when you think you've seen everything!
>
> I thought this one might interest a few of you:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-RARE-1946-342-SIT-TENDER-FLOOR-/330473024860?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf1ba2d5c
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-RARE-1946-342-SIT-TENDER-FLOOR-/330473024860?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf1ba2d5c>
>
> While you are there, check out the last two entries on his feedback.
>
> Bruce DeGailler, Sr.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61450 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/16/2010
Subject: Re: Just when you think you've seen everything........
Nice, and I have all the missing parts including a NOS smoke box for only
another $525....What a bargain.
Steve

In a message dated 9/16/2010 4:50:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
goatfarm@... writes:






Wow. Just when you think you've seen everything!

I thought this one might interest a few of you:

_http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-RARE-1946-342-SIT-TENDER-FLOOR-/330473024860?pt=M
odel_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf1ba2d5c_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-RARE-1946-342-SIT-TENDER-FLOOR-/330473024860?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf1ba2d5c)

While you are there, check out the last two entries on his feedback.

Bruce DeGailler, Sr.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61451 From: gigeastman Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: New Guy With A Question
Thanks Dale
I find in the US, clockworks do not get much respect, but when I run them at shows, people just love them.

Steve

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> It goes both ways. I looked at your Marx clockwork motor review and
> was fascinated, especially by the "mother's curse." It was very well done.
>
> Dale
>
> On 9/15/2010 11:06 PM, gigeastman wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Dale, I'll take a look at it. Lots to learn.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is definitely yes for a couple of reasons.
> > > The older S gauge tender mounted units, for the most part, used a
> > > flexible bellows to push the air through the baffle and into the smoke
> > > unit. This could wear and come apart at the glue seams. Also the new
> > > boiler mounted units eliminated the second and very small motor, which
> > > was another maintenance issue. From what I understand, after the
> > > initial race with Lionel to introduce smoke in 1946, they almost
> > > immediately embarked on the development of the new boiler mounted
> > version.
> > >
> > > An excellent article on the development of Flyer Smoke, which was
> > always
> > > integrated with Choo-Choo in some way, can be found in the Train
> > > Collectors Quarterly, Summer 1981, at page 20. (Vol 27, No.4) "Where
> > > There's Smoke, There's Flyer" It is an interesting story of the
> > > development of smoke by Flyer.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/14/2010 9:40 PM, gigeastman@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Alan, That diagram is exactly what I needed to see. The smoker
> > > > and chugger being made into one somewhat small unit was quite an
> > > > advance over just a few years earlier. Were the newer chug units more
> > > > durable than the older tender mounted ones?
> > > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61452 From: ron_tallyho Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: 282
I recently picked up a 282 that is Ex+ but different than others I have had. It's dated March 1953 but is different than others in that it is unpainted with the plastic tender. It also has a five wire set up and pulmor tires. Does this sound like it might be a late 282? Ron Plyler
Group: S-Trains Message: 61453 From: glenn allen Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Design program
Picked this out of another chat group.

Program that allows you to produce artwork for laser cutting, might well be
useful

Quote :

I've just posted a new, free online version of Kit-O-Mat at this URL:

http://www.kingmill .com/kom/

This new version allows anyone to quickly design a scale structure and save the
file to DXF for cutting by a laser cutting service or sign shop.


We no longer offer the cutting service but Kit-O-Mat is now FREE.

Hope this might be of use to people. Looks ok, but will take a little getting
used to.
Doesn't contain any 'nasties'





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61454 From: Rick Evans Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
I also have a '53 282, with a plastic tender (NO coal pusher).
Can't remember if it has the five wires or not.
Greenberg's books don't describe this version well.

RIck


On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:06 AM, ron_tallyho wrote:

> I recently picked up a 282 that is Ex+ but different than others I have had. It's dated March 1953 but is different than others in that it is unpainted with the plastic tender. It also has a five wire set up and pulmor tires. Does this sound like it might be a late 282? Ron Plyler
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61455 From: richs009 Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
FWIW - the Patterson and Greenberg book "Greenberg's guide to AF S Gauge" describes six variants and Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" describes four. Neither is very clear on the dates that might separate each variation. First productions (1952) had the sheet metal tender (two variations, according to Greenberg). Later versions in 1952 had the the plastic "Atlantic-style" tender - apparently still with the sheet metal trucks. Apparently some early versions of these had 'American Flyer' (as opposed to American Flyer Lines) printed on them - along with C&NW. In 1953, the red plastic smoke chimney was introduced - according to Greenberg, along with the sintered trucks and KCs. Greenberg also says "traction tires in 1953". According to both Doyle and Greenberg, still later versions of the tender had stokers and rear running lamps.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I also have a '53 282, with a plastic tender (NO coal pusher).
> Can't remember if it has the five wires or not.
> Greenberg's books don't describe this version well.
>
> RIck
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:06 AM, ron_tallyho wrote:
>
> > I recently picked up a 282 that is Ex+ but different than others I have had. It's dated March 1953 but is different than others in that it is unpainted with the plastic tender. It also has a five wire set up and pulmor tires. Does this sound like it might be a late 282? Ron Plyler
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61456 From: Rick Evans Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
"In 1953, the red plastic smoke chimney was introduced - according to Greenberg, along with the sintered trucks and KCs"
Although my '53 had link couplers ( converted to KC by my dad) and sheet metal trucks on the tender.

Rick


On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:11 PM, richs009 wrote:

> FWIW - the Patterson and Greenberg book "Greenberg's guide to AF S Gauge" describes six variants and Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" describes four. Neither is very clear on the dates that might separate each variation. First productions (1952) had the sheet metal tender (two variations, according to Greenberg). Later versions in 1952 had the the plastic "Atlantic-style" tender - apparently still with the sheet metal trucks. Apparently some early versions of these had 'American Flyer' (as opposed to American Flyer Lines) printed on them - along with C&NW. In 1953, the red plastic smoke chimney was introduced - according to Greenberg, along with the sintered trucks and KCs. Greenberg also says "traction tires in 1953". According to both Doyle and Greenberg, still later versions of the tender had stokers and rear running lamps.
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
> >
> > I also have a '53 282, with a plastic tender (NO coal pusher).
> > Can't remember if it has the five wires or not.
> > Greenberg's books don't describe this version well.
> >
> > RIck
> >
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:06 AM, ron_tallyho wrote:
> >
> > > I recently picked up a 282 that is Ex+ but different than others I have had. It's dated March 1953 but is different than others in that it is unpainted with the plastic tender. It also has a five wire set up and pulmor tires. Does this sound like it might be a late 282? Ron Plyler
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61457 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: PRR K-5
Group: S-Trains Message: 61458 From: Ray Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: NYTimes.com: China Shifts From Emphasis on Low-Cost Factori
Don,

Does this bode ill for the S gauger? I mean, I know most stuff in 'made in China', but are we already seeing the effects of this? Should I start buying at the current price to stave off a round of inflationary price increases?

Ray

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> FYI
> Don
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: don@...
> > Date: September 15, 2010 5:18:52 PM EDT
> > To: don@...
> > Subject: NYTimes.com: China Shifts From Emphasis on Low-Cost Factories
> > Reply-To: don@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This page was sent to you by: don@...
> >
> > BUSINESS | September 16, 2010
> > China Shifts From Emphasis on Low-Cost Factories
> > By DAVID BARBOZA
> > As costs rise, factories are revamping, helping build a middle class
> > and encouraging sustainable growth.
> >
> >
> >
> > Advertisement
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company | Privacy Policy
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61459 From: Larry Moore Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Re: 282
My first set was a 282, I still have it. Specs as follows: 1953 date stamp,
plastic tender (American Flyer), C&NW, 5 wire, coal pusher, rear running
lights, sheet metal trucks, originally had link coupler, that as a kid I
foolishly changed to a knuckle coupler when Flyer came out with the upgrade
kit. I converted the engine and four cars to knuckles, and have left it that
way for sentimental reasons, as it was my original set. Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of richs009
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:11 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 282





FWIW - the Patterson and Greenberg book "Greenberg's guide to AF S Gauge"
describes six variants and Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" describes
four. Neither is very clear on the dates that might separate each variation.
First productions (1952) had the sheet metal tender (two variations,
according to Greenberg). Later versions in 1952 had the the plastic
"Atlantic-style" tender - apparently still with the sheet metal trucks.
Apparently some early versions of these had 'American Flyer' (as opposed to
American Flyer Lines) printed on them - along with C&NW. In 1953, the red
plastic smoke chimney was introduced - according to Greenberg, along with
the sintered trucks and KCs. Greenberg also says "traction tires in 1953".
According to both Doyle and Greenberg, still later versions of the tender
had stokers and rear running lamps.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Rick
Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I also have a '53 282, with a plastic tender (NO coal pusher).
> Can't remember if it has the five wires or not.
> Greenberg's books don't describe this version well.
>
> RIck
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:06 AM, ron_tallyho wrote:
>
> > I recently picked up a 282 that is Ex+ but different than others I have
had. It's dated March 1953 but is different than others in that it is
unpainted with the plastic tender. It also has a five wire set up and pulmor
tires. Does this sound like it might be a late 282? Ron Plyler
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61460 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/17/2010
Subject: Old Vintage movie of B&Ms train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_kqtkn2EY

I was looking at something on Youtube which had nothing to do with trains, but this was on the right for other videos.

Someone's home movie of a B&M train with allot of vintage rail cars no longer seen.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61461 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/18/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Hi Ron,
                    A 1953 282 should have a plastic tender with a coal pusher.  1953 was the first year Gilbert issued plastic tenders for Atlantics and Pacifics such as the 282 and the 293.
                                     Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 9/17/10, ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> wrote:

From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 282
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 10:06 AM







 









I recently picked up a 282 that is Ex+ but different than others I have had. It's dated March 1953 but is different than others in that it is unpainted with the plastic tender. It also has a five wire set up and pulmor tires. Does this sound like it might be a late 282? Ron Plyler

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61462 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/18/2010
Subject: Re: reverse loops
Hi Pete,
                         There is a 695 Reverse Loop Relay on E Bay.  Item #130432713671. Current bid is $9.99.  That will do one loop for sure.
                                                Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote:

From: amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] reverse loops
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 11:05 PM







 









Hi Ray, Please send diagram_so far I've managed to cook 2 Atlas relays!

Thanks, Pete



----- Original Message -----

From: Ray Puls

Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:49 am

Subject: [S-Trains] reverse loops

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com



> I have done reverse loops using two Flyer switches with the

> Atlas relay. I also

> needed to use an additional relay which reverses the polarity in

> the loop when

> the switches are thrown and is instantaneous as to not drop the

> reversing unit,

> the headlight does not even flicker. If the info you have does

> not accomplish

> what you want to do I can send you a diagram for what I did.

> Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61463 From: Rick Evans Date: 9/18/2010
Subject: Re: 282
Well,
Like I've said, MY '53 has a plastic tender but NOT the coal pusher kind.
I've seen other 282's at train shows just like mine (and photos).... sheet metal trucks - link couplers - plastic tender - larger #282.

Just sayin'.

Rick


> Hi Ron,
> A 1953 282 should have a plastic tender with a coal pusher. 1953 was the first year Gilbert issued plastic tenders for Atlantics and Pacifics such as the 282 and the 293.
> Tom Seccia
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61464 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: Re: reverse loops
Thanks Tom!

----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Seccia
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] reverse loops
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Hi Pete,
> There is a 695 Reverse Loop Relay on E
> Bay. Item #130432713671. Current bid is $9.99. That will do
> one loop for sure.
> Tom Seccia
>
> --- On Wed, 9/15/10, amerflyerwanted@...
> wrote:
>
> From: amerflyerwanted@...
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] reverse loops
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 11:05 PM
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> Thanks, Pete
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ray Puls
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:49 am
>
> Subject: [S-Trains] reverse loops
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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>
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> the
>
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>
> > the headlight does not even flicker. If the info you have does
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61465 From: Timboy Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
Hey Guys: I have made some progress on my Flyer build. What I'm most happy with on this segment of build is the hand-built turnout I made with vintage Flyer rails. Not easy. But doable! Too much to go into on this thread, so may I please re-direct your attention to:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

I have also uploaded a couple pics to my photo area, if you don't want to go to my blog. Here is the link to the photo area:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1222314980/pic/list

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61466 From: gigeastman Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: Gargraves 201-401 track
Does anyone have experience with the Gargraves 201-401 4 rail track that allows S gauge and 3 rail O gauge to use the same track?


Steve "Papa" Eastman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61467 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/19/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/19/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday September 19, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61468 From: willhhj Date: 9/21/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
The Fest this year is shaping up to be everything that is expected of the Fall S Fest.

Manufacutrers, dealers and traders will fill the display hall. Ten layout representing all aspects fo S will be on site. Clinics, model contest, video/hospitality room, train races, layout tours and an extensive family program round out the activities that will make for a full weekend.

Dealine for advance registration savings are this Saturday, September 27, 2010. Save on registration by being sure that your registration is post marked on Satuday, latest.

Complete forms and more details are on the web site, www.fallsfest.net. Or call Registrar Joel Lebovitz (evenings-weekends only) 847-212-3541, or C A S G presidnet, Will Holt at 630-881-9025 with questions.

Will Holt
Group: S-Trains Message: 61469 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/21/2010
Subject: American Flyer Operator Equipment - Special on Shipping
Take a look at my American Flyer website before you head to York.  I have
classic AF old time trains as well as brand new, never run, AF/Lionel for sale
at good prices.  In fact, my special to buyers is free shipping on any American
Flyer purchase of  $200.00 or more.  This is also a great time to take advantage
of this special before we get into the Holiday season as well.  Those of you
traveling to York have a great time.  If you don't find what you're looking for,
contact me at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  Have a great rest of the week.

Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61470 From: Ben Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: 21836/21830??
Hello S Gaugers-

My friend has been retrieving his train collection from his parents' place in Rhode Island. He came across some red/white AF boxes with numbers he cannot identify. We have identified the 24312 as a 1957 three dome Gulf tanker and the 24205-912 as a 1957 CB & Q hopper.

We are wondering if the 21836/21830 were a locomotive pairing for a set in 1957? Can't find the numbers in my Doyle book so looking to you as experts to help ID these boxes and what came in them.

Thanks! Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 61471 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: ZLE?
There is a listing on ebay for 2 AM SD60s with the road name ZLE. http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-MODELS-S-1253-1256-ZLE-SD-60-DIESEL-LOCOS-/190447957720?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2c579536d8 What is ZLE? Is it someones private roadname?

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 61472 From: Timboy Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
[B]GUYS:[/B]

I opened up a new post on my blog to chronicle building a large mountain.

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61473 From: acgilbertguy Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: American Flyer Operator Equipment - Special on Shipping
Bob, What is the address or your website? Thanks.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:
>
> Take a look at my American Flyer website before you head to York.  I have
> classic AF old time trains as well as brand new, never run, AF/Lionel for sale
> at good prices.  In fact, my special to buyers is free shipping on any American
> Flyer purchase of  $200.00 or more.  This is also a great time to take advantage
> of this special before we get into the Holiday season as well.  Those of you
> traveling to York have a great time.  If you don't find what you're looking for,
> contact me at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  Have a great rest of the week.
>
> Bob
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61474 From: sgaugian Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
Make the tunnel at the back a snow shed and the roof drifts of snow?
Group: S-Trains Message: 61475 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: 21836/21830??
Hi Ben,
               Can't find these numbers in any of my records.  I checked the Hobby Shop print out which shows all the "S" Gauge numbers.  I looked at the 1957 catalog.  This shows the T&P GP7 Dual units numbers 21908.  These were in set #20355.  The closest number to those that you listed is #21831.  This is a single T&P GP7 listed in 1958.  There are no numbers in the 1958 catalog to match the ones you list.  If you have a 377/378 T&P Dual unit that would be correct for the 1957 set.   Hope this helps.
                                                  Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:

From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 21836/21830??
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 3:42 PM







 









Hello S Gaugers-



My friend has been retrieving his train collection from his parents' place in Rhode Island. He came across some red/white AF boxes with numbers he cannot identify. We have identified the 24312 as a 1957 three dome Gulf tanker and the 24205-912 as a 1957 CB & Q hopper.



We are wondering if the 21836/21830 were a locomotive pairing for a set in 1957? Can't find the numbers in my Doyle book so looking to you as experts to help ID these boxes and what came in them.



Thanks! Ben

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61476 From: Alan Evans Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: ZLE?
These two diesels are from the estate of the late Josh Seltzer of Cleveland,
OH. Zanesville & Lake Erie, a private roadname. DC Scale.



- Alan Evans



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of rapidrail1
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:03 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] ZLE?





There is a listing on ebay for 2 AM SD60s with the road name ZLE.
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-MODELS-S-1253-1256-ZLE-SD-60-DIESEL-LOCOS-/1904
47957720?pt=Model_RR_Trains
<http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-MODELS-S-1253-1256-ZLE-SD-60-DIESEL-LOCOS-/190
447957720?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2c579536d8> &hash=item2c579536d8 What
is ZLE? Is it someones private roadname?

Wayne





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61477 From: Gerry Evans Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: New Kit On The Block...
Just got my first peek this AM at my, note, purchased Howard's Trains' nameless 1:64 bungalow laser-cut kit. While the jury will remain out until I can actually do hands-on construction, let me write that, at first sight, I'm impressed. Why you ask? Howard's and his laser contractor, Sidetrack, have taken the time to actually etch part names into the sprues where any confusion might arise due to similar appearances of like parts. The finished model will fit in quite well with other, previously-produced residence housing from Mountain Engineering, Branchline, BTS, Am. Modelbuilders and, if you can find them, Banta. This kit, however, in no way architecturally resembles any of the past offerings by any vendor save whoever brought out the Sears 1:1 mail-order kit a couple of decades-ago but not to be confused with the Sears kit now offered by Raggs to Riches. Howard's has no web site but can be reached at hjsheff@...<mailto:hjsheff@...> or 707-961-0186. Price is $95 + $5 s&h.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61478 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP...
2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP

We have a few more display/sample items available. These are complete
except for possible wheel wear. Sample items are production items
displayed at shows. Display items are either taken out of the box at
shows, used in photos for ads or those run on our operating layout.
Engines are still under original warranty. The gift boxes maybe
labeled as sample items.

You do not need to order these items on the computer, but can call us
here (10 AM to 4 PM) to place an order. Our phone number is
732-441-0555.

Note: The 2-8-0s are all listed with DC, DCC, and LocoMatic options.
Please note that the smoke unit requires either DCC or LocoMatic to
work. DC no sound locos are also no smoke!

DC no sound/smoke - Now $314.97

Locomatic AC/DC sound/smoke - $419.97

Tsunami DCC sound/smoke - $419.97

S/H $14

Roadnames

B&O (red roof) #1

AT&SF #2

CNW #1

Erie #1 & #2

WM #2



As a bonus to our customers that order one or more items from this
sale, we will extend a 15% discount to any in stock SHS item purchased
at the same time (except parts or sectional track). The sale item
discount will not apprear on the Americart order form. But, we will
know that your order includes sample sale items and extra items
adjusted it to include the 15% discount.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61479 From: Timboy Date: 9/23/2010
Subject: Re: Hand-made Turnout - Not What You Would Expect
Sgaugian: Pretty creative idea! I like that. I could then call my mountain, "Donner Pass". Thanks for the idea!

OBTW, I update my blog very frequently (sometimes daily) with the progress I am making.

Large All-Flyer vintage-style hi-rail layout in the making; http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote:
>
> Make the tunnel at the back a snow shed and the roof drifts of snow?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61480 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP...
Seems I missed something in our announcement. The sample engines
are all AF comp. and NOT code 110. We are down to less than 10 code
110 2-8-0s in stock and at this time we are unable to offer a discount
or sell these through our dealer network. But, if anyone does decide
to purchase a code 110 2-8-0 while we still have the sample sale, we
will extend the 15% discount on our freight cars or switchers.
Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 61481 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: SHS 2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP...
Just as an FYI, we still have several AC-Highrail LM 2-8-0 engines in
stock.

They're on our website inventory list, but as I recall, we have MeC,
NYC, Southern, and Undec left.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



________________________________

From: showcaseline@yahoogroups.com [mailto:showcaseline@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Don Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:30 AM
To: e-group; S Train e-group
Cc: e_group
Subject: [showcaseline] Re: SHS 2-8-0 Sample Sale - 30% off MSRP...





Seems I missed something in our announcement. The sample engines
are all AF comp. and NOT code 110. We are down to less than 10 code
110 2-8-0s in stock and at this time we are unable to offer a discount
or sell these through our dealer network. But, if anyone does decide
to purchase a code 110 2-8-0 while we still have the sample sale, we
will extend the 15% discount on our freight cars or switchers.
Best regards,
Don





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61482 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: 21830/21836
According to my Maury Romer notes, 21830 and 21836 are five digit separate
sale numbers for the 377 T+P (1 motor) and 378 T+P (Roar and horn, no
motor), respectively. It is logical that you would come across the two as a
pairing together. One would not normally find these two pieces listed as such
in "the books". Obviously, Gilbert was selling out the excess 377's and
378's from 1956.

This should help.

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 9/24/2010 8:20:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

We are wondering if the 21836/21830 were a locomotive pairing for a set in
1957? Can't find the numbers in my Doyle book so looking to you as experts
to help ID these boxes and what came in them.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61483 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Re: 21836/21830??
Hi,
I'm at work (on a break) and I won't be home to research this, but set item boxes were given a number one off from the same cataloged item to indicate it being packaged as part of a set. I think this was '57-'58 only, and many of the enclosed items were three-digit, because they were still in stock. Remember, ACG was selling TOYS, so the number on the item wasn't as important as keeping inventory with the 5 digit computer number. Perhaps that's what you have.
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61484 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 9/24/2010
Subject: Billboard Squeek?
I just recently purchased an A.F. #566 billboard sign & whistle. It worked right away, but I thought I should put some oil on the small felt pad on the motor. Anyway it worked fine for a couple days, and then a squeeking noise took over the whistle sound. Any idea what the problem is?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61485 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/25/2010
Subject: September Episode - B&O Railroad Museum Television Network
Group: S-Trains Message: 61486 From: dlkeil Date: 9/26/2010
Subject: Pikemaster
I assume that there are S and Ho Pikemaster made by Gilbert? Do they us the same control. Sure looks like my old HO Tyco and Atlas units from the ebay pictures
I am looking to set up a switch pair between my two track but they are too close together to use the standard Older American Flyer switches.
Thanks
DON
Group: S-Trains Message: 61487 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: 6-8 million dollar train set
http://www.downeast.com/magazine/2010/october/return-the-iron-horses

I just got my October issue of DownEast Magazine, a magazine about things in the state of Maine, as we are set to leave for Maine on Tuesday for 20 days.

The above is a article about passenger travel in the state of Maine.

It mentions that they are in need of another train set, as the cost of 6 to 8 million dollars. A expensive train set. No, I know what they mean, as this is the second time I have read something about passenger service and the train being referred to as a train set.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61488 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: Pikemaster
Hi Don,
              Gilbert went to the Pikemaster Line for both "S" and "HO in 1961.  Pikemaster "S" Gauge Track had a more "S" scale look with more ties.  HO Pikemaster track was called three in one track with rails, ties and roadbed.  The HO track with roadbed was made in Japan.  This track will mate with Atlas and Tyco track as the roadbed is flat.  The HO Pikemaster switches do not have roadbed.  If you have the HO Pikmaster track, there were a #34701 3" Straight and a #34702 6" Straight to connect the crossover.  Atlas has half curves and different size straights to do the same.  The track should be compatible with Atlas and Tyco.  Gilbert sold Atlas track with their HO Line from 1955 to 1960.
                                              Tom Seccia
                                                 

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, dlkeil <dlkeil@...> wrote:

From: dlkeil <dlkeil@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Pikemaster
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 9:28 AM







 









I assume that there are S and Ho Pikemaster made by Gilbert? Do they us the same control. Sure looks like my old HO Tyco and Atlas units from the ebay pictures

I am looking to set up a switch pair between my two track but they are too close together to use the standard Older American Flyer switches.

Thanks

DON

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61489 From: michael prell Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: History Channel and TV
I posted the following yesterday with TCA. 
 
"I'm a very big fan of the History Channel. The one criticism I have about some of this networks' programming is the centering on conflict rather than content. When I tune in to a specific subject matter, i.e. archeology, I could care less about who's getting along (or not getting along with whom. I watch to learn about how people lived and what new information has been discovered. The new Mummies series is such an example. Doctor Expert is upset about this student or that production crew member. So What. To me it's nothing more than filler to stretch things out to an hour when in reality, the discovery can be covered in fifteen minutes. I really hope that this proposed program about our hobby will not turn out to be another pissing and moaning contest. The hobby is an old one. Center on its history. Isn't what it's really all about".

How do you folks feel about it.
Mike



 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61490 From: Donald Abrams Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: AF 21099 Engine
The 21099 engine has a 2 position reverse unit.
With the plunger down it will go forward, then reverse -- sequentially.
With the switch up it will lock in forward or reverse.
The 2 position reverse unit never had a 'neutral'.
Perhaps it was just sticking sometimes and moving the plunger up and
down a few times freed it up?
Don Abrams
84-20695
Group: S-Trains Message: 61491 From: robert hendrickson Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: 6-8 million dollar train set
Just hope you don't see a giant #8B transformer sitting next to the tracks.

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 6-8 million dollar train set
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:55 PM


 



http://www.downeast.com/magazine/2010/october/return-the-iron-horses

I just got my October issue of DownEast Magazine, a magazine about things in the state of Maine, as we are set to leave for Maine on Tuesday for 20 days.

The above is a article about passenger travel in the state of Maine.

It mentions that they are in need of another train set, as the cost of 6 to 8 million dollars. A expensive train set. No, I know what they mean, as this is the second time I have read something about passenger service and the train being referred to as a train set.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61492 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: History Channel and TV
Mike,

You need to explain to most on this list what this was all about.

A producer from the History Channel is looking for a couple whose wife does not care for the husband's hobby of trains. They want to do a show about this.

Mike Marmer


From: michael prell
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:36 AM
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] History Channel and TV



I posted the following yesterday with TCA.

"I'm a very big fan of the History Channel. The one criticism I have about some of this networks' programming is the centering on conflict rather than content. When I tune in to a specific subject matter, i.e. archeology, I could care less about who's getting along (or not getting along with whom. I watch to learn about how people lived and what new information has been discovered. The new Mummies series is such an example. Doctor Expert is upset about this student or that production crew member. So What. To me it's nothing more than filler to stretch things out to an hour when in reality, the discovery can be covered in fifteen minutes. I really hope that this proposed program about our hobby will not turn out to be another pissing and moaning contest. The hobby is an old one. Center on its history. Isn't what it's really all about".

How do you folks feel about it.
Mike


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61493 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: 6-8 million dollar train set
It would have to be a 12B transformer.

Mike


From: robert hendrickson
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 6-8 million dollar train set



Just hope you don't see a giant #8B transformer sitting next to the tracks.

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 6-8 million dollar train set
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:55 PM



http://www.downeast.com/magazine/2010/october/return-the-iron-horses

I just got my October issue of DownEast Magazine, a magazine about things in the state of Maine, as we are set to leave for Maine on Tuesday for 20 days.

The above is a article about passenger travel in the state of Maine.

It mentions that they are in need of another train set, as the cost of 6 to 8 million dollars. A expensive train set. No, I know what they mean, as this is the second time I have read something about passenger service and the train being referred to as a train set.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61494 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: OPEN HOUSE AT FALL YORK
OPEN HOUSE

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 13, 2010
STARTING AT 2:00 PM


TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED
38 YORK ST. (NEW LOCATION)
HANOVER, PA 17331
1-717-637-4717 (25 minutes from York, PA Fairgrounds)

FOOD, DRINK & PLENTY OF INTERESTING CONSERVATION !

WE HAVE MOVED INTO A NEW, LARGER STORE WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SAME BLOCK AS OUR PREVIOUS LOCATION. IT IS WELL STOCKED WITH POST, PRE-WAR LIONEL, NEW LIONEL, K-LINE AND MTH TRAINS PLUS ACCESSORIES. ALSO AMERICAN FLYER, S-HELPER AND AMERICAN MODEL "S" TRAINS AND ACCESSORIES.

DIRECTIONS: From York Fairgrounds take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Rt.30 West. Follow Rt.30 West to Rt.116, turn left. Follow Rt.116 approx. 20 miles, it will turn into York St. in the town of Hanover. The store will be on your right with a Railroad flag hanging in front.


THERE ARE NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61495 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/27/2010
Subject: Re: Pikemaster
Thanks tom



________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 11:36:52 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pikemaster


Hi Don,
Gilbert went to the Pikemaster Line for both "S" and "HO in 1961.
Pikemaster "S" Gauge Track had a more "S" scale look with more ties. HO
Pikemaster track was called three in one track with rails, ties and roadbed.
The HO track with roadbed was made in Japan. This track will mate with Atlas
and Tyco track as the roadbed is flat. The HO Pikemaster switches do not have
roadbed. If you have the HO Pikmaster track, there were a #34701 3" Straight
and a #34702 6" Straight to connect the crossover. Atlas has half curves and
different size straights to do the same. The track should be compatible with
Atlas and Tyco. Gilbert sold Atlas track with their HO Line from 1955 to 1960.
Tom Seccia


--- On Sun, 9/26/10, dlkeil <dlkeil@...> wrote:

From: dlkeil <dlkeil@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Pikemaster
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 9:28 AM



I assume that there are S and Ho Pikemaster made by Gilbert? Do they us the same
control. Sure looks like my old HO Tyco and Atlas units from the ebay pictures

I am looking to set up a switch pair between my two track but they are too close
together to use the standard Older American Flyer switches.

Thanks

DON

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61496 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/28/2010
Subject: Re: 6-8 million dollar train set
I don't know if anyone else is having this problem, but every once in a
while I don't get a message. I know I am not bouncing because I get
other messages. On this one, I never got Mike's original message, so
thanks, Mike and Robert for not snipping the previous message. At
least I could figure out what it was about. Just to balance things
out, I thought it was about time someone thanked your rather than
complained.

Dale Smith

Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
> It would have to be a 12B transformer.
>
> Mike
>
> From: robert hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:55 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 6-8 million dollar train set
>
> Just hope you don't see a giant #8B transformer sitting next to the
> tracks.
>
> --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> Subject: [S-Trains] 6-8 million dollar train set
> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>, "Toy Trains"
> <toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com>>, "S
> Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>>,
> "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...
> <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net>>
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:55 PM
>
> http://www.downeast.com/magazine/2010/october/return-the-iron-horses
>
> I just got my October issue of DownEast Magazine, a magazine about
> things in the state of Maine, as we are set to leave for Maine on
> Tuesday for 20 days.
>
> The above is a article about passenger travel in the state of Maine.
>
> It mentions that they are in need of another train set, as the cost of
> 6 to 8 million dollars. A expensive train set. No, I know what they
> mean, as this is the second time I have read something about passenger
> service and the train being referred to as a train set.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61497 From: Richard Karnes Date: 9/28/2010
Subject: Mobley Library Announcement
All –

I have submitted my resignation as Librarian for the NASG’s Russell M. Mobley
Memorial Library. Although effective immediately, I have offered to continue to
serve at the pleasure of NASG President Sam McCoy until Dec. 31, 2010, to give
him time to find a replacement.

I have not yet heard from Sam, so I do not know how much longer I will have the
Librarian position. Because of this, while I will continue to do all I can to
honor current and near-term Library requests, I cannot assure anyone how much
longer I will have librarian access to the Library’s resources.

It has been a pleasure serving those of you who have made use of the Library’s
resources over the ten years that the Library has been in operation. For those
of you who have donated items to the Library, I thank you. For those of you
considering future donations, please hold off until a new librarian is
identified.

Dick Karnes




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61498 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61499 From: ss396l78375 Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Hello, I am being blocked by my server and being advised not to enter the s-n-s trains site. I have never encountered this before on any other site and have entered s-n-s previously but have been blocked for about a week now. I get a red screen that says "Reported Attack Page" each time I try to enter, I am wondering if anyone here has tried the site lately and is getting through. Thanks, Obie
Group: S-Trains Message: 61500 From: whtrainman Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Google search reports "malicious" software. I visited the site by coping & pasting the address into the browser window & got in. So far, no problems w/computer.
Walt Johnson
Group: S-Trains Message: 61501 From: Lennis Hall Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Hello, I have been getting the same thing  My virus checker software reports that the site is infected with a virus and warns against going to it.  I'm not sure why.  I have ignored it and gone ahead and visited the site without any ill affects.  However, they need to check their site to determine if it has been hacked and does have a virus that it is distributing whenever people visit it.

Len

--- On Tue, 9/28/10, ss396l78375 <bellokdaka@...> wrote:

From: ss396l78375 <bellokdaka@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 1:23 PM







 









Hello, I am being blocked by my server and being advised not to enter the s-n-s trains site. I have never encountered this before on any other site and have entered s-n-s previously but have been blocked for about a week now. I get a red screen that says "Reported Attack Page" each time I try to enter, I am wondering if anyone here has tried the site lately and is getting through. Thanks, Obie

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61502 From: Carey Probst Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
You can get through by accepting the risk or changing your security
settings or clicking on the Ignore warning box that shows in Firefox.

Google lists the site as having quote

Malicious software includes 2 scripting exploit(s).

Malicious software is hosted on 3 domain(s), including virgilrene.info/
<http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=virgilrene.info/>,
potterlani.info/
<http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=potterlani.info/>,
destructoid.com/
<http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=destructoid.com/>.

Also says no malware on the site.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

Perm: hcprobst@...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 9/28/2010 3:23 PM, ss396l78375 wrote:
>
> Hello, I am being blocked by my server and being advised not to enter
> the s-n-s trains site. I have never encountered this before on any
> other site and have entered s-n-s previously but have been blocked for
> about a week now. I get a red screen that says "Reported Attack Page"
> each time I try to enter, I am wondering if anyone here has tried the
> site lately and is getting through. Thanks, Obie
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61503 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

What I do on my home page. I click on the web search window and have no problem with google. I just did that and had NO problem with firefox. I have webroot antivirus and did not get any warning about sns trains website. I would check yor computer .
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Carey Probst <carey@...> wrote:

> From: Carey Probst <carey@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 8:27 AM
>   You can get through by
> accepting the risk or changing your security
> settings or clicking on the Ignore warning box that shows
> in Firefox.
>
> Google lists the site as having quote
>
> Malicious software includes 2 scripting exploit(s).
>
> Malicious software is hosted on 3 domain(s), including
> virgilrene.info/
> <http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=virgilrene.info/>,
>
> potterlani.info/
> <http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=potterlani.info/>,
>
> destructoid.com/
> <http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=destructoid.com/>.
>
> Also says no malware on the site.
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> Perm: hcprobst@...
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
> a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
> infringed.
>
>
> On 9/28/2010 3:23 PM, ss396l78375 wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I am being blocked by my server and being
> advised not to enter
> > the s-n-s trains site. I have never encountered this
> before on any
> > other site and have entered s-n-s previously but have
> been blocked for
> > about a week now. I get a red screen that says
> "Reported Attack Page"
> > each time I try to enter, I am wondering if anyone
> here has tried the
> > site lately and is getting through. Thanks, Obie
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>     S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61504 From: zemouse2001 Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
I had the same problem several month's ago and, as a courtesy, reported it but generally was told '...it has to be your computer...' Well, I don't think so! I just don't go there anymore.

By the way, I don't think it is the browser but rather my security software (Norton Internet Security 2010) that is kicking up a fuss. My feeling --- why take a chance. For myself - if it was my website, I would be hopping all over my site provider to get things cleaned up so that software like Norton is happy. But it's not so I just won't go there.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ss396l78375" <bellokdaka@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I am being blocked by my server and being advised not to enter the s-n-s trains site. I have never encountered this before on any other site and have entered s-n-s previously but have been blocked for about a week now. I get a red screen that says "Reported Attack Page" each time I try to enter, I am wondering if anyone here has tried the site lately and is getting through. Thanks, Obie
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61505 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
Web host has assured us that there is no problem with SnS-trains web site.
May be a browser problem out there.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 9/29/2010 1:14:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
adlbert1950@... writes:




From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

What I do on my home page. I click on the web search window and have no
problem with google. I just did that and had NO problem with firefox. I have
webroot antivirus and did not get any warning about sns trains website. I
would check yor computer .
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Carey Probst <_carey@..._
(mailto:carey@...) > wrote:

> From: Carey Probst <_carey@..._ (mailto:carey@...) >
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 8:27 AM
> You can get through by
> accepting the risk or changing your security
> settings or clicking on the Ignore warning box that shows
> in Firefox.
>
> Google lists the site as having quote
>
> Malicious software includes 2 scripting exploit(s).
>
> Malicious software is hosted on 3 domain(s), including
> virgilrene.info/
>
<_http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=virgilrene.info/_
(http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=virgilrene.info/) >,
>
> potterlani.info/
>
<_http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=potterlani.info/_
(http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=potterlani.info/) >,
>
> destructoid.com/
>
<_http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=destructoid.com/_
(http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=destructoid.com/) >.
>
> Also says no malware on the site.
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> Perm: _hcprobst@..._ (mailto:hcprobst@...)
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
> a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
> infringed.
>
>
> On 9/28/2010 3:23 PM, ss396l78375 wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I am being blocked by my server and being
> advised not to enter
> > the s-n-s trains site. I have never encountered this
> before on any
> > other site and have entered s-n-s previously but have
> been blocked for
> > about a week now. I get a red screen that says
> "Reported Attack Page"
> > each time I try to enter, I am wondering if anyone
> here has tried the
> > site lately and is getting through. Thanks, Obie
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) !
> Groups Links
>
>
> _S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com)
>
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61506 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
I just tried two browsers (IE8 and Firefox) with the same result:
warnings of malware. The google search for sns trains also produces a
warning in the blurb.

I wonder if there is a site with a similar name, which scores high on
the Google search and is not your site? What is the URL we should use to
get to the good place?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site

Web host has assured us that there is no problem with SnS-trains web
site.
May be a browser problem out there.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 9/29/2010 1:14:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
adlbert1950@... writes:




From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

What I do on my home page. I click on the web search window and have no

problem with google. I just did that and had NO problem with firefox. I
have
webroot antivirus and did not get any warning about sns trains website.
I
would check yor computer .
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Carey Probst <_carey@..._
(mailto:carey@...) > wrote:
Group: S-Trains Message: 61507 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
from: Alan Lambert
        Lone Star Flyer Club
        Arlington, Texas
 
Dear Bill,
 
All I do is on my home page. There is a  websearch window that you I can type www. whatever and I get the website.  I don't have to google for anything. Your home page may e differennt ,but I know it is there fo quick use. I have Webroot anti viruson my computor and get thier websitr with no problems.
                                                      Thanks,
                                                                  Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 3:06 PM


 



I just tried two browsers (IE8 and Firefox) with the same result:
warnings of malware. The google search for sns trains also produces a
warning in the blurb.

I wonder if there is a site with a similar name, which scores high on
the Google search and is not your site? What is the URL we should use to
get to the good place?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site

Web host has assured us that there is no problem with SnS-trains web
site.
May be a browser problem out there.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 9/29/2010 1:14:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
adlbert1950@... writes:

From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

What I do on my home page. I click on the web search window and have no

problem with google. I just did that and had NO problem with firefox. I
have
webroot antivirus and did not get any warning about sns trains website.
I
would check yor computer .
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Carey Probst <_carey@..._
(mailto:carey@...) > wrote:








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 61508 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
The proper web site address for SnS Trains is _www.sns-trains.com_
(http://www.sns-trains.com)

Steve
http://www.sns-trains.com


In a message dated 9/29/2010 2:34:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
adlbert1950@... writes:




from: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

Dear Bill,

All I do is on my home page. There is a websearch window that you I can
type www. whatever and I get the website. I don't have to google for
anything. Your home page may e differennt ,but I know it is there fo quick use. I
have Webroot anti viruson my computor and get thier websitr with no
problems.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Bill Porter <_wpporter@..._
(mailto:wpporter@...) > wrote:

From: Bill Porter <_wpporter@..._ (mailto:wpporter@...) >
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 3:06 PM



I just tried two browsers (IE8 and Firefox) with the same result:
warnings of malware. The google search for sns trains also produces a
warning in the blurb.

I wonder if there is a site with a similar name, which scores high on
the Google search and is not your site? What is the URL we should use to
get to the good place?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On
Behalf Of _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:32 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site

Web host has assured us that there is no problem with SnS-trains web
site.
May be a browser problem out there.

Steve
SnS Trains

In a message dated 9/29/2010 1:14:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
_adlbert1950@..._ (mailto:adlbert1950@...) writes:

From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

What I do on my home page. I click on the web search window and have no

problem with google. I just did that and had NO problem with firefox. I
have
webroot antivirus and did not get any warning about sns trains website.
I
would check yor computer .
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Carey Probst <__carey@..._
(mailto:_carey@...) _
(mailto:_carey@..._ (mailto:carey@...) ) > wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 61509 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
From: Alan Lambert
         Lone Star Flyer Club
         Arlington, Texas
 
 Dear Steve,
 
 I know what your wed site is. It is in my favorite's file so I am a click away from you at all times. I did it that way to let everyone else know that that is the best and Only way I do. I do not use google. I have internet exploror and it is alot better.
                                            Thanks,
                                                        Alan Lambert

--- On Wed, 9/29/10, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:


From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 3:37 PM


 



The proper web site address for SnS Trains is _www.sns-trains.com_
(http://www.sns-trains.com)

Steve
http://www.sns-trains.com

In a message dated 9/29/2010 2:34:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
adlbert1950@... writes:

from: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

Dear Bill,

All I do is on my home page. There is a websearch window that you I can
type www. whatever and I get the website. I don't have to google for
anything. Your home page may e differennt ,but I know it is there fo quick use. I
have Webroot anti viruson my computor and get thier websitr with no
problems.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Bill Porter <_wpporter@..._
(mailto:wpporter@...) > wrote:

From: Bill Porter <_wpporter@..._ (mailto:wpporter@...) >
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 3:06 PM

I just tried two browsers (IE8 and Firefox) with the same result:
warnings of malware. The google search for sns trains also produces a
warning in the blurb.

I wonder if there is a site with a similar name, which scores high on
the Google search and is not your site? What is the URL we should use to
get to the good place?

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On
Behalf Of _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:32 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trouble entering S-N-S trains site

Web host has assured us that there is no problem with SnS-trains web
site.
May be a browser problem out there.

Steve
SnS Trains

In a message dated 9/29/2010 1:14:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
_adlbert1950@..._ (mailto:adlbert1950@...) writes:

From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

What I do on my home page. I click on the web search window and have no

problem with google. I just did that and had NO problem with firefox. I
have
webroot antivirus and did not get any warning about sns trains website.
I
would check yor computer .
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Carey Probst <__carey@..._
(mailto:_carey@...) _
(mailto:_carey@..._ (mailto:carey@...) ) > wrote:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61510 From: George Cohn Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
On 9/29/2010 1:37 PM, boss31@... wrote:
>
>
> The proper web site address for SnS Trains is _www.sns-trains.com_
> (http://www.sns-trains.com)

Just clicked on the link above and this is what the pop-up gives me:

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 117 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 48
page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed
without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on
2010-09-26, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site
was on 2010-09-26.

Malicious software includes 2 scripting exploit(s).

Malicious software is hosted on 3 domain(s), including
virgilrene.info/, potterlani.info/, destructoid.com/.

This site was hosted on 1 network(s) including AS29671 (SERVAGE).

Apparently some links on your site may point to sites with malware?

I teach Windows classes so we take this stuff seriously.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61511 From: George Cohn Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
On 9/29/2010 1:37 PM, boss31@... wrote:
>
>
> The proper web site address for SnS Trains is _www.sns-trains.com_
> (http://www.sns-trains.com)

BTW, it's Google that is tagging your web site as malicious. You might
want to check out their page at
<http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=163633>
to see if they can review it and remove the warning.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61512 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trouble entering S-N-S trains site
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
The proper web site address for SnS Trains is _www.sns-trains.com_
(http://www.sns-trains.com)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
And when I click it, it comes right up -- along with a little message "This
site is Unsafe." If we all get something like this, it can't be the fault
of all of us.
tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 61513 From: Ron Inscho Date: 9/30/2010
Subject: #8B transformer
Any ideas on how to fix the circut breaker on these ? It still works but the
button sticks & won't reset , the plunger button is made of bakelite &
probably worn ,Thanks Ron
Group: S-Trains Message: 61514 From: Rhett George Date: 9/30/2010
Subject: Mobley Library - Thanks, Dick
- GreetingS -

Dick Karnes, thanks for the diligence you have given the job of Librarian
to the Mobley Library. Praise woould not be the reason you took that task,
but you are due it for your service to all S-gaugers. Sir, thank you very
much.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 61515 From: Grumpy Date: 9/30/2010
Subject: Internet special
Internet special

from Oct 1 - Dec 31 all decals are 20% off all scales except G scale stock up and save

--
Tom Stolte
owner of Oddballs Decals

No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

http://oddballsdecals.org

My prototype photos http://oddballsdecals.rrpicturearchives.net/

my photos of the Missouri Pacific http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-)

only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall

MP, CNW, MKT, KCS, DRGW, BN, RI, MILW, ATSF, SLSF and SP Forever
Group: S-Trains Message: 61516 From: Dave Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: RED RYDER Box Car Decals
We will be offering a 3 car set of decals for DAISY AIR RIFLES RED RYDER ADVERTISING. The car numbers are #1936, #1946 & #1956 and will be offered with WHITE TEXT or BLACK TEXT. They feature advertising posters from the periods between 1936 & 1956 and will be at our ON-LINE-DECALE-SALES web site page below by 10-02-2010:


http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html


For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP at dave@...
Thank you for your continuing support.
Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc
"The Best And Least Expensive Water Slide Decals On The Market Today"
"ALWAYS FREE SHIPPING"
Group: S-Trains Message: 61517 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Train Show in Berea OH
I will be at the "Carnival 10" Train show at the Cuyahogal County Fair Grounds in Berea, Ohio, selling AM, SHS, DPH, &c track, cars. locos &c.

Hours are 10AM to 5 PM Saturday and 11AM to 4PM opn Sunday.

It's nearly all AF-compatible, and there will probably be several Af dealers there too. It's a big show.

The Fair Grounds is on the south side of Bagley Rd, about ¾ Mi west of I-71.

Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61518 From: Gale Hall Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: Pikemaster
Don,

I gotta take a guess here and hope you are talking about S track...Even in the S Pikemaster track the branch on the switch was still a curved track section so Pikemaster switches are not going to let you get much closer than regular AF switches. To get switches into tracks that are closer, you are going to have to use a number switch that comes off at an angle...then depending on what track you are using they will be scratch built or custom built.

gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: dlkeil
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 8:28 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Pikemaster



I assume that there are S and Ho Pikemaster made by Gilbert? Do they us the same control. Sure looks like my old HO Tyco and Atlas units from the ebay pictures
I am looking to set up a switch pair between my two track but they are too close together to use the standard Older American Flyer switches.
Thanks
DON





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61519 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: York Primer Please
Hi Folks,

I have never been to the York meet. I used to live down the pike a piece
near Downingtown, but, have never been to the town or the train show. I
see all kinds of information about this hall and that, this outside meet
and that bandit whatever. I am making some plans for a hoped for trip up
there in the Spring of '11. Does anyone care to share a bit of the
basics? How about a York for Dummies version? If several folks have
idears, I would certainly like to hear about them.

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61520 From: Timboy Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Hi Bill,

I found these links that might help you:

http://www.tcamembers.org/cgi-bin/Search/search.cgi?terms=york&submit.x=35&submit.y=3

http://www.tcamembers.org/newsandevents/york.htm

http://tcaetrain.org/articles/tca/york0410/index.htm

Sometimes links don't work because they were the result of searches. In that event, go to the Train Collector's Association web site:

http://www.tcamembers.org/

Type "York" in the search box and you will get the first link at the top of this note. From there, you can go to the other links I've listed. One is called "Clem's York Primer". That may have what you have requested.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61521 From: afjeff_56 Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Toy Train Swap Meet
It's time for the annual River City Toy Train Meet.

October 2nd, 10:00 AM to 3:00 PM.

Scottish Rite Center

6151 H Street

Sacramento, Ca. 95819

All Gauge's, Parts & Layouts...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61522 From: Timboy Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Bill,

There are always vendors at the Reliance Fire Hall, starting on Monday @ 9:00 AM the week of. It's usually pretty saturated with Flyer, but it's slow getting started, though. The Holiday Inn on route 74 (I think) has an outside flea market on Wednesday (I think), as well as an indoor one. They are both fun. There is an outside flea market at the Western (I think) on route 30 as well on Wednesday (I think). Anyway, Fred Jester usually posts a notice on this board when it gets closer to show time. Perhaps Joe and Doug will as well. During the actual show, there usually is a large O gauge modular display set up in one of the halls. It's a dandy.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61523 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Thanks Timboy,

Clem's stuff is great.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 4:50 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Primer Please


Hi Bill,

I found these links that might help you:

http://www.tcamembers.org/cgi-bin/Search/search.cgi?terms=york&submit.x=
35&submit.y=3

http://www.tcamembers.org/newsandevents/york.htm

http://tcaetrain.org/articles/tca/york0410/index.htm

Sometimes links don't work because they were the result of searches. In
that event, go to the Train Collector's Association web site:

http://www.tcamembers.org/

Type "York" in the search box and you will get the first link at the top
of this note. From there, you can go to the other links I've listed.
One is called "Clem's York Primer". That may have what you have
requested.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61524 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 10/1/2010
Subject: Lucky Train on Face Book
Ok, I KNOW that we are not a bunch of technophobes. Anyone who is on Facebook should check out the new game, Lucky Train. Virtual toy trains, build a layout, and you will get a kick out of what you can run. Oh, yeah, add me to your route, OK?- John Marganski




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61525 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/26/2010, 8:00 pm
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Date:   Sunday September 26, 2010
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61526 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Re: York Primer Please
Thanks Timboy,

That is the sort of info that is not on the official site and I am glad
to get it.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:37 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Primer Please

Bill,

There are always vendors at the Reliance Fire Hall, starting on Monday @
9:00 AM the week of. It's usually pretty saturated with Flyer, but it's
slow getting started, though. The Holiday Inn on route 74 (I think) has
an outside flea market on Wednesday (I think), as well as an indoor one.
They are both fun. There is an outside flea market at the Western (I
think) on route 30 as well on Wednesday (I think). Anyway, Fred Jester
usually posts a notice on this board when it gets closer to show time.
Perhaps Joe and Doug will as well. During the actual show, there
usually is a large O gauge modular display set up in one of the halls.
It's a dandy.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61527 From: Timboy Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Guys:

Work overall is progressing nicely.
For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61528 From: lou342ac Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Recent Luionel Experience
I recently had a American Flyer Atlantic Coast Line Pacific engine that the rail sounds went crazy in. I contacted Lionel via e-mail and was given an RMA# to return the engine to them for repairs. From first contact to the return of the repaired engine was 8 calendar days. This included a phone call from them. I found this to be excellent customer support. I thought I pass this on.
Lou Baldi
Group: S-Trains Message: 61529 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Last RCTHS Meet of the Year.
The READING CO TECHNICAL & HISTORICAL SOCIETY will hold their 31st Annual
Fall Train Meet at the Leesport Farmers Market in Leesport PA on Sunday Oct
3rd. This is the last RCTHS Meet this year, the Next being In April of
2011.

Doors open at 9 AM , Adult Admission is $ 4.00 per , children 12 & under
(w/adult) are admitted FREE.
Dale Miller is the Show Manager.

I normally set up in the "market" end, will have the WARDIE-JAY TinPlat
eTies as well as other goodies for sale. Normally in the neighbor hood of 100
tables of new & used toy/scale trains and train related items for sale.
The RCTHS owned READING RR museum is a few short miles further north in
Hamburg, just off of PA RT 61, ask at the door for directions.

Hope to see you there,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61530 From: Rich Falzini Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Question regarding The 1960 " The Arrow Set "
Question for you regarding a set? I'm fairly knowledgeable on flyer and their sets, I just purchased a mint # 20605 in the box.

This 1960 " The Arrow " I got for a good price, however upon inspection when I got home and looked in my book it says it comes with the L&N Boxcar I believe this has a 24403 IC were 2 different cars used in this set, or did some one swap out the car prior to selling it off?

Thanks for any answers regarding this question
Group: S-Trains Message: 61531 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/2/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 61532 From: barb Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5031
Tim,



What a great job you are doing on your mountain. Are you going to give us the

formula for your oatmeal? Would love to know it although my big mountain is complete.



Keep up the great work.... Barb





-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Oct 3, 2010 7:09 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 5031


Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@... timstrains2000
Sat Oct 2, 2010 8:15 am (PDT)

Hi Guys:

Work overall is progressing nicely.
For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61533 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Question regarding the 1960 "The Arrow" set
As you state, the 24066 L&N boxcar is the expected piece in this set and
it constitutes roughly half of the set's value. Your set should also have a
cardboard insert that can be popped-up as an advertising display which has
a very nicely rendered illustration of the set on it (For example, see
Greenberg's Guide to AF, Vol. III Sets, page 142). The illustration does
include the L&N, and because the set contents at point of sale needed to match
the illustration, it is rather unlikely that the substitution was made at the
factory. Every complete 20605 set I have ever observed has had the L&N
present and I can find no reference that reports an alternate piece of rolling
stock.

Odds are that a 24403 IC was substituted, but at what point along the
possession chain is not clear. If the 24403 is a painted version, then you have
a very desirable find, but the common unpainted version is a small
fraction of the value of the L&N.

Sorry that I cannot be more encouraging, but I hope this is of some help.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 10/3/2010 7:09:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Question for you regarding a set? I'm fairly knowledgeable on flyer and
their sets, I just purchased a mint # 20605 in the box.

This 1960 " The Arrow " I got for a good price, however upon inspection
when I got home and looked in my book it says it comes with the L&N Boxcar I
believe this has a 24403 IC were 2 different cars used in this set, or did
some one swap out the car prior to selling it off?

Thanks for any answers regarding this question





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61534 From: michael prell Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim,
I really enjoy what you've done and what you've been able to document. So often when people see the finished product they have no idea about the tremendous amount of planning, design and actual construction that goes into the finished product.Thank you for illustrating this for us and for future generations. Very nice. Very nice in deed!
Mike Prell


 



--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Building a Large American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 10:22 AM


 



Hi Guys:

Work overall is progressing nicely.
For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61535 From: Timboy Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Mike,

Thank you so much! I take an enormous risk in posting the step-by-step pics that I do. Some people see the "ugly stage" and get turned off. They subsequently miss the finished product and think I am all-thumbs. Maybe I am after all. But I always hope that you and people like you would postpone judgement until the finish. Apparently, you and a couple of others have and I thank you for that! Again, thank you and stay tuned. There will be more. If you want more details of what I'm doing and how I'm doing it, please don't hesitate to ask. I love to share! Hey guys! Let's all build something and share it!

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I really enjoy what you've done and what you've been able to document. So often when people see the finished product they have no idea about the tremendous amount of planning, design and actual construction that goes into the finished product.Thank you for illustrating this for us and for future generations. Very nice. Very nice in deed!
> Mike Prell
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Building a Large American Flyer Layout
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 10:22 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Work overall is progressing nicely.
> For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61536 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/3/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/3/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday October 3, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61537 From: michael prell Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim,
I like your spirit! Keep on truckin'!
Mike


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 10/3/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:50 PM


 



Mike,

Thank you so much! I take an enormous risk in posting the step-by-step pics that I do. Some people see the "ugly stage" and get turned off. They subsequently miss the finished product and think I am all-thumbs. Maybe I am after all. But I always hope that you and people like you would postpone judgement until the finish. Apparently, you and a couple of others have and I thank you for that! Again, thank you and stay tuned. There will be more. If you want more details of what I'm doing and how I'm doing it, please don't hesitate to ask. I love to share! Hey guys! Let's all build something and share it!

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I really enjoy what you've done and what you've been able to document. So often when people see the finished product they have no idea about the tremendous amount of planning, design and actual construction that goes into the finished product.Thank you for illustrating this for us and for future generations. Very nice. Very nice in deed!
> Mike Prell
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Building a Large American Flyer Layout
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 10:22 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Work overall is progressing nicely.
> For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61538 From: Timboy Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5031
Thanks Barb,

It's paper, glue, joint compound and plaster, all amounts depending on what the recipe needs to be for the purpose at hand. LOL Keep up the fantastic work! You are an inspiration!

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> What a great job you are doing on your mountain. Are you going to give us the
>
> formula for your oatmeal? Would love to know it although my big mountain is complete.
>
>
>
> Keep up the great work.... Barb
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Oct 3, 2010 7:09 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 5031
>
>
> Building a Large American Flyer Layout
> Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@... timstrains2000
> Sat Oct 2, 2010 8:15 am (PDT)
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Work overall is progressing nicely.
> For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61539 From: Richard Karnes Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Mobley Library transition
All --

Effective immediately, the NASG's Mobley Library is suspending loan activity.
This affects those who wish to borrow books and certain magazines, specifically
"1:64 Modeling Guide" and "S Gaugian." Requests for copies (hardcopy or
electronic) of specific articles from other periodicals and instruction sheets
will still be honored.

The reason is this: I have no idea when the transition to another librarian
will be made; therefore, the return address for loaned materials is
indeterminate. Once the identity of the new librarian is revealed to me, loans
will resume.

Thank you for your patience.

Dick Karnes, Librarian pro tem
Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library
NASG Inc.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61540 From: wyoaf Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Ray Palumbo S Gauge Article in November CTT
Bruce Carter writes an interesting article about Ray Palumbo, a fellow that built Gilbert department store layouts in the 1950's. A full page color photo of Ray and his own American Flyer layout leads into the article ( page 68 ). One of the first things that catch your eye is the wooden dowel rod split-rail fence that runs along the edge of his table to prevent fall offs in the event of a derailment. It looks great and blends well. You can see right through it, but it is functional as a barrier. My question is: How did he build it? Drilling uniform holes in dowel rods would seem to require a special tool or jig. The dowel jigs that I've seen are for drilling holes for dowel rods, not into dowel rods. Alternatively, if his fence posts are merely notched rather than drilled, it still would take am impressive level of skill to get the fence rail lengths uniformly precise. My hat is off to this 83 year old craftsman. I'd like to copy his fence, but I'm not sure I have the skills. If anyone in this group has suggestions, I'd like to hear them Thanks. john davis Noblesville IN
Group: S-Trains Message: 61541 From: Timboy Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5031
Hi Barb,

I occurred to me that I didn't give enough detail on my "oatmeal" when I rushed my last post.

By "paper", I mean basically any organic cellulose in the right texture. I've used sawdust from wood and "sawdust" from homosote. Currently, I am using a paper blow-in insulation that is bought by the bale at a big box store. I mix that with a generous amount of water in a large old pot. With it, I add 3-4 glugs of white glue from a gallon container and a very large handful of ready-mixed joint compound. I mix by hand with disposable gloves until it's creamy and nice to apply. It sticks well to vertical surfaces. When I want it to dry harder, I mix about a shy quart of Plaster of Paris in. With all the water in the mix, it can take a week or more to dry fully, so I usually put a fan on it. I generally paint it while still wet using a wet-on-wet painting technique. I think it makes a nice texture for over top of hard-shell. I also use it to fix rock castings to the hard-shell. I think of it as a "poor man's Sculptamold".

Regards,
Timboy




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Barb,
>
> It's paper, glue, joint compound and plaster, all amounts depending on what the recipe needs to be for the purpose at hand. LOL Keep up the fantastic work! You are an inspiration!
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@> wrote:
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> >
> >
> > What a great job you are doing on your mountain. Are you going to give us the
> >
> > formula for your oatmeal? Would love to know it although my big mountain is complete.
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep up the great work.... Barb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Oct 3, 2010 7:09 AM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 5031
> >
> >
> > Building a Large American Flyer Layout
> > Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@ timstrains2000
> > Sat Oct 2, 2010 8:15 am (PDT)
> >
> > Hi Guys:
> >
> > Work overall is progressing nicely.
> > For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Timboy
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61542 From: sgaugian Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Great to see the progress you're making. What do you cover the cardboard lattice with? Thanks.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Work overall is progressing nicely.
> For pics and details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61543 From: David Dewey Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim,
Wow, lookin' great! Very interesting to see how "others" do things. Since my permanent layout is still at least a year away, I'm still stealing--err, gathering--ideas.
One thought you might consider; Flourcent (sp?) lights put out a high amount of UV, which will fade your colors (and your train's colors) much faster than incandecent (sp??) lights. You could put a can light or two to spotlight your mountain.
Have you thought of putting up a cover over the joists above your layout? I'm thinking of something like a sheet that's light blue to match your wall. I know it's way too late to do sheetrock! Was thinking (I know, dangerous), put some twinkle lights in between the joists, tack up the sheet, and poke tiny holes in it randomly, and voila--at night you have "stars" twinkling in the sky. Could have been done in the 50s with the larger christmas bulbs of the time. . .. You'd have to paint the sheet to keep the "sky" from glowing with the lights though. . . .
Lookin' great--thank you for sharing the process!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61544 From: willhhj Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: FALL S FEST 2010
This 35th Anniversary edition of the Fall S Fest is looking like it will be the best ever S gauge gathering; something for everyone in S model railroading, and for their families as well.

The Tinley Park (Illinois) Convention Center will be the venue for the Fest once again. It is located at Exit 148 in Illinois on Interstate 80; easy to get to from anywhere in the country. The display room will be 17,000 square feet, the layout area more than 5,000 square feet. The Holiday Inn Tinley Park is directly joined with the convention center; ask for the special Fall S Fest rate.

More than 200 tables of S will be on display. Ten layouts with scale standard gauge, scale narrow gauge, hi-rail and American Flyer will be operating for both days. The usual hospitality, film/video room will be showing railroad related presentations both days. Clinics will include scenery, basic AC wiring, sracth building with styrene, Legacy/TMCC command control and more.

Special events for the Fest will include a family program to make the weekend enjoyable for the whole clan.

An early bird reception is on for Thursday evening. The annual banquet and auction will be Saturday evening. Sunday will feature layout tours with more than 10 layouts in the Chicago area.

You should not miss this. Full details are on the web site, www.fallsfest.net. Or call registrar Joel Lebovitz (evenings and weekends) 847-212-3541, or Will Holt at 630-881-9025.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61545 From: Timboy Date: 10/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
David,

Thanks so much for the kind compliments! I'm having the time of my Flyer life building this. I imagine I'm still about a year away from seeing them run all around the whole thing!

I concur with the florescent lighting. I want to pull them down and put up incandescent track lighting that I can use to spot, highlight and cast shadows. It's a shame to put all the effort into what I am doing to have poor lighting. I contemplated finishing the ceiling before I started, but I didn't <sigh>. Your idea of using colored sheets is a good one. They could be stapled up. Something else I could do would be to totally cover the layout and floor with a trap, then spray the ceiling flat black.

Anyhoo, keep dialed in. I update my blog almost daily - especially going into "train season". As I have something material to draw attention to, or otherwise answer any questions or comments, I will make a posting here.

Sgaugian: Thanks! I cover the cardboard webbing with paper towels dipped in soupy Plaster of Paris. Instead of second-coating them with plaster, I use my "oatmeal". When I get to around the perimeter, where I feel there could be some pressure put on it by my leaning on it, I add Plaster of Paris to my "oatmeal" for added strength.

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Wow, lookin' great! Very interesting to see how "others" do things. Since my permanent layout is still at least a year away, I'm still stealing--err, gathering--ideas.
> One thought you might consider; Flourcent (sp?) lights put out a high amount of UV, which will fade your colors (and your train's colors) much faster than incandecent (sp??) lights. You could put a can light or two to spotlight your mountain.
> Have you thought of putting up a cover over the joists above your layout? I'm thinking of something like a sheet that's light blue to match your wall. I know it's way too late to do sheetrock! Was thinking (I know, dangerous), put some twinkle lights in between the joists, tack up the sheet, and poke tiny holes in it randomly, and voila--at night you have "stars" twinkling in the sky. Could have been done in the 50s with the larger christmas bulbs of the time. . .. You'd have to paint the sheet to keep the "sky" from glowing with the lights though. . . .
> Lookin' great--thank you for sharing the process!
> S'
> David D.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61546 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Re: Ray Palumbo S Gauge Article in November CTT
John,

On my layout in Atlanta, I used clear Lexan sheet as a train barrier because it was in the basement above a concrete floor. I bought the Lexan sheets at Lowes and cut strips from the sheets. I installed it between the edge of the layout and the facia board. I had it extend 6 inches above grade. You can see a photo at:

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album117/train_barrier_1

I am not using a barrier on my new layout in Houston. This one is on the carpeted second floor. I have very carefully laid and levelled my track and don't run my trains at high speed, so I don't think I need a train barrier on this layout.

If you are interested in my under construction layout, you can go to any search window on YouTube and type in davidtyner1. That will take you to a list of my layout videos.

Good luck,

BG1



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wyoaf" <wyoaf@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce Carter writes an interesting article about Ray Palumbo, a fellow that built Gilbert department store layouts in the 1950's. A full page color photo of Ray and his own American Flyer layout leads into the article ( page 68 ). One of the first things that catch your eye is the wooden dowel rod split-rail fence that runs along the edge of his table to prevent fall offs in the event of a derailment. It looks great and blends well. You can see right through it, but it is functional as a barrier. My question is: How did he build it? Drilling uniform holes in dowel rods would seem to require a special tool or jig. The dowel jigs that I've seen are for drilling holes for dowel rods, not into dowel rods. Alternatively, if his fence posts are merely notched rather than drilled, it still would take am impressive level of skill to get the fence rail lengths uniformly precise. My hat is off to this 83 year old craftsman. I'd like to copy his fence, but I'm not sure I have the skills. If anyone in this group has suggestions, I'd like to hear them Thanks. john davis Noblesville IN
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61547 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Transformer Video
Hi Folks,



You know I love our S trains and the faithful 2-rail track. I also have
a dark side that allows 3-rail stuff to creep in as long as it is
American Flyer, small tinplate or of the 3/16ths scale that matches.
With that in mind, I recommend the following video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2bebOuG_Zc



Dave Hess is a train guy in Oregon. He arranges and hosts train
get-togethers on most Friday nights. He also videos them and puts the
videos up on You Tube. Hs videos are a good place to see American Flyer
trains and others that are a fit for size. The Friday night meets have
themes. The videos are well-done and worth your time if you do a little
You Tube browsing.



This video shows a bunch of transformers. I figure we need to add some
Rectiformer and 30B action to make it even better.



Take a look. You'll be glad you did.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61548 From: barb Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Digest number 5033
Tim and David,

Lighting is really a huge consideration and I have read many articles in CTT and MR
about colored lights, cans, tracks, etc.

I was so happy with the lighting in my train room in Florida that I duplicated it
in my new train room in NC.

I have 5 rows of can lights with 4 cans per row. Each row is on its on rheostat.
Between each of those rows is a 16 ft. track for track lights. Each of those rows
also has its own rheostat. This design gives me lots of flexibility.

As you suggested, David, I have a can over the highest point of my mountain
and it has a bit brighter bulb than the rest of my cans. I really like the effect.

Barb



Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Posted by: "David Dewey" djdewey@... traindavid
Mon Oct 4, 2010 10:57 am (PDT)


Tim,
Wow, lookin' great! Very interesting to see how "others" do things. Since my permanent layout is still at least a year away, I'm still stealing--err, gathering--ideas.
One thought you might consider; Flourcent (sp?) lights put out a high amount of UV, which will fade your colors (and your train's colors) much faster than incandecent (sp??) lights. You could put a can light or two to spotlight your mountain.
Have you thought of putting up a cover over the joists above your layout? I'm thinking of something like a sheet that's light blue to match your wall. I know it's way too late to do sheetrock! Was thinking (I know, dangerous), put some twinkle lights in between the joists, tack up the sheet, and poke tiny holes in it randomly, and voila--at night you have "stars" twinkling in the sky. Could have been done in the 50s with the larger christmas bulbs of the time. . .. You'd have to paint the sheet to keep the "sky" from glowing with the lights though. . . .
Lookin' great--thank you for sharing the process!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61549 From: Timboy Date: 10/5/2010
Subject: Re: Digest number 5033
Barb,

I like that arrangement! I was thinking of multiple dimmers on incandescent can tracks as well.

Thanks for the input!

I organized a little track crew today. They put up a retaining wall, some fencing and built a nice sign on the side of Sandstone Mountain.

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> Tim and David,
>
> Lighting is really a huge consideration and I have read many articles in CTT and MR
> about colored lights, cans, tracks, etc.
>
> I was so happy with the lighting in my train room in Florida that I duplicated it
> in my new train room in NC.
>
> I have 5 rows of can lights with 4 cans per row. Each row is on its on rheostat.
> Between each of those rows is a 16 ft. track for track lights. Each of those rows
> also has its own rheostat. This design gives me lots of flexibility.
>
> As you suggested, David, I have a can over the highest point of my mountain
> and it has a bit brighter bulb than the rest of my cans. I really like the effect.
>
> Barb
>
>
>
> Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
> Posted by: "David Dewey" djdewey@... traindavid
> Mon Oct 4, 2010 10:57 am (PDT)
>
>
> Tim,
> Wow, lookin' great! Very interesting to see how "others" do things. Since my permanent layout is still at least a year away, I'm still stealing--err, gathering--ideas.
> One thought you might consider; Flourcent (sp?) lights put out a high amount of UV, which will fade your colors (and your train's colors) much faster than incandecent (sp??) lights. You could put a can light or two to spotlight your mountain.
> Have you thought of putting up a cover over the joists above your layout? I'm thinking of something like a sheet that's light blue to match your wall. I know it's way too late to do sheetrock! Was thinking (I know, dangerous), put some twinkle lights in between the joists, tack up the sheet, and poke tiny holes in it randomly, and voila--at night you have "stars" twinkling in the sky. Could have been done in the 50s with the larger christmas bulbs of the time. . .. You'd have to paint the sheet to keep the "sky" from glowing with the lights though. . . .
> Lookin' great--thank you for sharing the process!
> S'
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61550 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Moody Street Trains - Columbus Ohio
While visiting family in Columbus we stopped by a new shop called Moody
Street Trains

http://www.moodystreettrains.com/

They have a small but nice selection of Gilbert Flyer and some Flionel.
I picked up three very clean link-coupler freight cars, including a T&P
gondola with truck weights and all the steps intact.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61551 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Idaho Train Show
"Railshow 2010," sponsored by the Eagle Rock Railroad Historical Society, will be held Saturday and Sunday, October 9-10, in the Idaho Falls Recreation Center, 520 Memorial Drive, Idaho Falls, Idaho. Details at:
www.ida.net/org/errhsi/

A featured attraction will be Lookout Junction, the portable S layout of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers from Boise. This layout will be displayed at the National Train Show next July in Sacramento.

We know that our friends from the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club in Utah will come up to see us at the show in Idaho Falls, and we extend the invitation to S fans everywhere. The Golden Spike Club posted some photos of Lookout Junction on their website:
www.gsaftc.com

(Click on "2010 Events," then click "Sep 10-12, Treasure Valley Train Expo Photos.")

Be sure to introduce yourselves to us when you stop by!

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61552 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: 24066 fom Arrow set for sale
I have one of these in Like New condition for sale. If you aren't prepared
to pay top price, don't bother to respond.
PS, my entire collection is for sale. If you are looking for something in
particular give me a call. I may have it.
Steve Blackburn
Boise


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61553 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Re: Idaho Train Show
John,
We were camping/fishing in Cascade from Friday morning to Monday afternoon.
Ergo, not at breakfast. On Sunday evening I started throwing up and
feverish. Didn't sleep even one minute Sunday night with stomach cramps and
fever. It is the flu. The drive home pulling the trailer was tenuous on Monday,
and I slept for about 20 straight hours when I got home. I won't be able
to go to IF for the show. If the club needs/wants anything of mine to take,
please feel free to come and get it.
Steve


In a message dated 10/6/2010 7:17:36 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
number22@... writes:




"Railshow 2010," sponsored by the Eagle Rock Railroad Historical Society,
will be held Saturday and Sunday, October 9-10, in the Idaho Falls
Recreation Center, 520 Memorial Drive, Idaho Falls, Idaho. Details at:
www.ida.net/org/errhsi/

A featured attraction will be Lookout Junction, the portable S layout of
the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers from Boise. This layout will be displayed at
the National Train Show next July in Sacramento.

We know that our friends from the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club
in Utah will come up to see us at the show in Idaho Falls, and we extend the
invitation to S fans everywhere. The Golden Spike Club posted some photos
of Lookout Junction on their website:
www.gsaftc.com

(Click on "2010 Events," then click "Sep 10-12, Treasure Valley Train Expo
Photos.")

Be sure to introduce yourselves to us when you stop by!

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61554 From: Timboy Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hey Guys:

I'm basically 1/4th done with the construction of my new layout. I started in May. I'm afraid there are too many pics to post here, so please use the link below to jump to my blog.

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61555 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim, is that Gilbert track? Mike


In a message dated 10/6/2010 4:12:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Timboy@... writes:




Hey Guys:

I'm basically 1/4th done with the construction of my new layout. I started
in May. I'm afraid there are too many pics to post here, so please use the
link below to jump to my blog.

_http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/_
(http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/)

Regards,
Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61556 From: Timboy Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Mike,

It's complicated. LOL The track used to be vintage Gilbert track. I bought rusted junk track. I stripped the metal ties off the rails. Then I re-bent, by hand, the rails to suit and spiked them down (with G gauge spikes) to stained wooden ties that are the same size as the original metal ties. That gets rid of the insulators, preserves the Flyer "look" (IMHO) and gives a clean look - once the rail sides are painted with Testor's Floquil Steam Engine black. The rails are over-sized. The ties are over-sized. The spikes are over-sized. The ballast is over-sized. Do I see a pattern here? LOL I don't do scale. But what I do do (doo-doo?) is to build by eye what looks like it looked like as a kid when I walked 5 miles, uphill both ways and through a blizzard, mind you, on the spur that went to my local school. When I look at the track I have, it looks like(in my warped mind) the rotted old track 'n ties I walked "back in the day". Scale doesn't do that for me. Guess what? The smell of Flyer smoke (your's)takes me back too. So now I get to re-live my childhood using two senses; sight and smell. Don't go to taste. LOL Oh, there are other memories, too. The girls who walked those tracks...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Tim, is that Gilbert track? Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 61557 From: Todd Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: AFCC Collector Magazines For Sale and Wanted
Help! I'm looking to complete my set of American Flyer Collectors Club magazines. Can you help?

Needed:
Volume 9 #2
Volume 20 #2
Volume 20 #3

I have a bunch of duplicates for sale or trade. Price is $1 each, plus actual (not inflated!) postage. I'm attending York next week, and could provide free delivery if that helps.

Have for Sale:
Volume 1 #1,4
Volume 2 All
Volume 3 #2,3,4
Volume 4 #3,4
Volume 5 #3,4
Volume 6 All
Volume 7 #1,2,3
Volume 8 All
Volume 9 #3
Volume 13 #1
Volume 14 #1,2
Volume 15 #1
Volume 18 #3
Volume 19 #3
Volume 20 #4
Volume 21 #3,4

E-mail me at papertrw@.... Many thanks!

Todd Wagner
Rochester Hills, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 61558 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: 2011 Sn3 Convention
Before we know it the 2011 Sn3 1/64th scale Convention will be here.

It will be held in Monrovia CA. on February 17th through the 19th 2011.

http://www.sn3-2011.com/

All of you snow birds will enjoy the mild Southern California weather in February.

Monrovia was chosen because it has several excellent hotels and restaurants and is located along the historic route 66.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Monrovia&state=CA

The hotel information is located on the website:

http://www.frolin.net/Sn3-2011/info/hotel.html

The closest airports are Burbank (BUR), Ontario (ONT) and Los Angeles (LAX) in order of distance from Monrovia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61559 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/6/2010
Subject: "S"ugar Beet Cars.....
Gents...

The current issue of RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN (October 2010) has an
interesting and thorough article titled "Modeling the Sugar Beet Industry"
on pages 56-65. Here is the perfect place to learn about using those really
neat sugar beet cars which are offered as the official convention car for
the 2011 NASG convention in Sacramento, CA. Click here for details:

http://www.x2011west.com/nasg.html#convcar

Needless to say, we'd sure like to see your order for these cars coming into
our mailbox. This is a really "sweet" car. Heh, heh....

Thanks....Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61560 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 10/7/2010
Subject: FS Bachmann DCC system
I have decided to go full time battery-powered & radio controlled!
Therefore, I have a Bachmann EZ Command DCC system that I no longer
need. It has never been out of the box.

I'd like $50 for the system & $7 s/h for US locations (for international
locations, actual shipping cost would be appropriate).

THNX for your time.

Don Munsey, Jr
UpperRightCorner of Louisiana USA
Group: S-Trains Message: 61561 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 10/7/2010
Subject: Re: AFCC Collector Magazines For Sale and Wanted
Todd, contact me off list, rahrens54@... and give me a price for all
your dupes.

If you could bring them along to York that would be great!



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:07 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AFCC Collector Magazines For Sale and Wanted





Help! I'm looking to complete my set of American Flyer Collectors Club
magazines. Can you help?

Needed:
Volume 9 #2
Volume 20 #2
Volume 20 #3

I have a bunch of duplicates for sale or trade. Price is $1 each, plus
actual (not inflated!) postage. I'm attending York next week, and could
provide free delivery if that helps.

Have for Sale:
Volume 1 #1,4
Volume 2 All
Volume 3 #2,3,4
Volume 4 #3,4
Volume 5 #3,4
Volume 6 All
Volume 7 #1,2,3
Volume 8 All
Volume 9 #3
Volume 13 #1
Volume 14 #1,2
Volume 15 #1
Volume 18 #3
Volume 19 #3
Volume 20 #4
Volume 21 #3,4

E-mail me at papertrw@... <mailto:papertrw%40aol.com> . Many thanks!

Todd Wagner
Rochester Hills, MI



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61562 From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: FS Bachmann DCC system
The system is sold.
THNX for all of the replies.
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61563 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
I have a question about the no. 771 Operating stock yard. It vibrates,
but, the cows do not move. The felt material on the cows is worn down.
What can I use in place of the felt, I am not interested in original
looks, as the grandkids use this cattle yard to play with. thank you for
your help.. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 61564 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - F7 inventory for sale.
We have some F7s that we are putting to the e-groups for sale.
These have been out of stock for sometime now. Most of these are
Locomatic (anything AC/DC sound is Locomatic) and we would rather sell
as such. We are open to starting a waiting list if items do not sell
to have our original Soundtraxx DCC sound (can support an F7 ABBA
using MU cables). Other options could be discussed. Items not sold
by Tuesday afternoon, will be brought to York. Items can be delivered
to York, but payment must be made when the order is placed. No
layaways. No holding for checks.
First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
website by purchasing a catalog and in the comments box, indicating
which units are being purchased. Items are being sold as "New in Box"
and the warranty will apply. Not available through our dealer network.

Don

00931 $ 499.95 AT & SF Freight #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00812 $ 299.95 AT & SF (Freight) #1 AC/DC SND F7A
00887 $ 199.95 AT & SF (Freight) #1 DC N/S F7B
00826 $ 199.95 AT & SF (PASS) # 2 AC/DC SND F7B
00900 $ 699.95 AT & SF (PASS) AC/DC Sound F7ABA
00930 $ 499.95 AT & SF Freight #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00901 $ 699.95 AT & SF Freight AC/DC Sound F7ABA
00815 $ 299.95 B & M # 2 AC/DC SND F7A
00814 $ 299.95 B & M #1 AC/DC SND F7A
00932 $ 499.95 B & M #1 AC/DC SND F7AB
00899 $ 199.95 B & M #1 DC n/S F7B
00933 $ 499.95 B & M #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00990 $ 199.95 B & M #2 DC N/S F7B
00902 $ 699.95 B & M A/C D/C Sound F7A BA
00937 $ 499.95 Great Northern #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00821 $ 299.95 Missouri Pacific #2 AC/DC SND F7A
00905 $ 699.95 Missouri Pacific A/C d/C SND F7ABA
00940 $ 499.95 Penn # 1 AC/DC SND F7AB
00941 $ 499.95 Penn # 2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00997 $ 299.95 Penn #1 AC/DC SND F7B
00822 $ 299.95 Penn #1 AC/DC SND F7A
00927 $ 499.95 Undecorated AC/DC SND F7AB
00942 $ 499.95 Undecorated AC/DC SND F7AB
Group: S-Trains Message: 61565 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
Mike,

This has been discussed many times here. You can use paint pads from Home Depot, etc. I tried that with some success. Remember that the pads need to be angled slightly to allow the cattle to go around the cattleyard. The pads are angled in opposite directions for the black cattle versus the brown cattle if you want to keep them separated in the two pens. For other ideas and suggestions, search the message archives for "cattle". Good luck getting your cattle mooooving!

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mikejoan45@... wrote:
>
> I have a question about the no. 771 Operating stock yard. It vibrates,
> but, the cows do not move. The felt material on the cows is worn down.
> What can I use in place of the felt, I am not interested in original
> looks, as the grandkids use this cattle yard to play with. thank you for
> your help.. Mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61566 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
Hi Mike,


Both Doug Peck ( http://www.portlines.com/ )


and Tom Seccia ( http://www.ssstrains.com/ )


sell replacement material that is virtually identical to the original.


Both of these persons are here on this group...


Mark Anderman



----- Original Message -----
From: mikejoan45@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2010 10:46:34 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] : # 771 Operating stock yard






I have a question about the no. 771 Operating stock yard. It vibrates,
but, the cows do not move. The felt material on the cows is worn down.
What can I use in place of the felt, I am not interested in original
looks, as the grandkids use this cattle yard to play with. thank you for
your help.. Mike




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61567 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: : # 771 Operating stock yard
Hi Mike,
                 I have the replacement material.  This is mohair as the original.  Please contact me off site at seccia@....
                                             Tom Seccia
                                              Triple "S" Supplies

--- On Fri, 10/8/10, mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> wrote:

From: mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] : # 771 Operating stock yard
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 10:46 AM







 









I have a question about the no. 771 Operating stock yard. It vibrates,

but, the cows do not move. The felt material on the cows is worn down.

What can I use in place of the felt, I am not interested in original

looks, as the grandkids use this cattle yard to play with. thank you for

your help.. Mike

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61568 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: AM diesel conversion to DC operations
Steve,

I have an AM RS-3 and an AM Trainmaster that have never been run. Both
were purchased as AC-HiRail. I want to convert them to DC-HiRail. Do I
need to do anything other than removing the reverse unit boards and
rewiring the motor to the truck pickups?

Would you be interested in swapping both AC reversing boards for one of
your regular speed can motors?

THNX,
Don Munsey, Jr
UpperRightCorner of Louisiana USA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61569 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Fw:Stolen Horn
----- Original Message -----
From: serails@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:34 PM
To: Carolinarails@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[serails] Stolen Horn

Sometime after 1030 PM, some one made off with a set of Leslie Supertyphon
RS5T horns from the South Carolina Railroad Museum. These horns had just
been tested and approved by the FRA for locomotive 2028. They have been
modified with 2 bells reversed, a plug placed in the bottom and ground
smooth, and the air inlet changed to the side of the horn. Also, the #3 bell
cap has a crack at one of the bolts holding the cap on.

If you should see the horn for sale, or know one somebody that just recently
acquired a 5 chime, please inform me atEMD567@... , or
info@... .
��
Please cross post to other lists.
��
John Parker, in Aiken SC, Where the train runs down the parkway.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61570 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: WHAT a deal
Just made my semi-annual courtesy call at the RED CABOOSE MOTEL &
RESTAURANT, next door to NTTM in beautiful suburban Strasburg, PA. General
Manager Colleen Rooney MUST have seen my truck, because she was ready with a DEAL
for ALL TCA members in Strasburg on Sunday Oct 10 thru Wednesday Oct 13
(YORK WEDNESDAY at NTTM) . LUNCH at the RED CABOOSE RESTAURANT, 8 AM til 3
PM those dates is 50% OFF upon presentation of your TCA card or your YORK
badge ( don't forget to tip your wait staff) I've found deals in the area,
never found one like this. RCM's phone is 1-800-687-5005, she mentioned
there might be rooms available (REAL cabeese) cut your deal with the
clerk. My only connection to the RCM is that they are fantastic neighbors to
NTTM, allowing TCA to use their parking facilities twice a year.

Jim "ready to park thousands on Wednesday" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61571 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: AM diesel conversion to DC operations
In a message dated 10/8/2010 11:46:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dmunseyjr@... writes:




Steve,

I have an AM RS-3 and an AM Trainmaster that have never been run. Both
were purchased as AC-HiRail. I want to convert them to DC-HiRail. Do I
need to do anything other than removing the reverse unit boards and
rewiring the motor to the truck pickups? Nope!

Would you be interested in swapping both AC reversing boards for one of
your regular speed can motors? Not really, but will if you pay shipping
both ways. Should be $3 from my end to you via first class mail.

THNX,
Don Munsey, Jr
UpperRightCorner of Louisiana USA

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61572 From: The Reardon's Date: 10/8/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - F7 inventory for sale.
Hi Don,

It's not specifically in the list, but I am looking for a B&M F7B in AC, No Sound. It looks like you have one in DC, I assume that will not lash up with my A-A AC,Locomatic set. (If it will, I'll take it!). Please let me know,

Pat, in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: e-group ; S Train e-group ; e_group
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - F7 inventory for sale.



We have some F7s that we are putting to the e-groups for sale.
These have been out of stock for sometime now. Most of these are
Locomatic (anything AC/DC sound is Locomatic) and we would rather sell
as such. We are open to starting a waiting list if items do not sell
to have our original Soundtraxx DCC sound (can support an F7 ABBA
using MU cables). Other options could be discussed. Items not sold
by Tuesday afternoon, will be brought to York. Items can be delivered
to York, but payment must be made when the order is placed. No
layaways. No holding for checks.
First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
website by purchasing a catalog and in the comments box, indicating
which units are being purchased. Items are being sold as "New in Box"
and the warranty will apply. Not available through our dealer network.

Don

00931 $ 499.95 AT & SF Freight #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00812 $ 299.95 AT & SF (Freight) #1 AC/DC SND F7A
00887 $ 199.95 AT & SF (Freight) #1 DC N/S F7B
00826 $ 199.95 AT & SF (PASS) # 2 AC/DC SND F7B
00900 $ 699.95 AT & SF (PASS) AC/DC Sound F7ABA
00930 $ 499.95 AT & SF Freight #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00901 $ 699.95 AT & SF Freight AC/DC Sound F7ABA
00815 $ 299.95 B & M # 2 AC/DC SND F7A
00814 $ 299.95 B & M #1 AC/DC SND F7A
00932 $ 499.95 B & M #1 AC/DC SND F7AB
00899 $ 199.95 B & M #1 DC n/S F7B
00933 $ 499.95 B & M #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00990 $ 199.95 B & M #2 DC N/S F7B
00902 $ 699.95 B & M A/C D/C Sound F7A BA
00937 $ 499.95 Great Northern #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00821 $ 299.95 Missouri Pacific #2 AC/DC SND F7A
00905 $ 699.95 Missouri Pacific A/C d/C SND F7ABA
00940 $ 499.95 Penn # 1 AC/DC SND F7AB
00941 $ 499.95 Penn # 2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00997 $ 299.95 Penn #1 AC/DC SND F7B
00822 $ 299.95 Penn #1 AC/DC SND F7A
00927 $ 499.95 Undecorated AC/DC SND F7AB
00942 $ 499.95 Undecorated AC/DC SND F7AB




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61573 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: Re: AM diesel conversion to DC operations
Steve,
THNX for your help.
I need a snail-mail address. I tried to go to your web site but it was
blocked by my server.
Don Munsey, Jr
UpperRightCorner of Louisiana USA

On 10/8/2010 5:46 PM, boss31@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/8/2010 11:46:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> dmunseyjr@... <mailto:dmunseyjr%40comcast.net> writes:
>
> Steve,
>
> I have an AM RS-3 and an AM Trainmaster that have never been run. Both
> were purchased as AC-HiRail. I want to convert them to DC-HiRail. Do I
> need to do anything other than removing the reverse unit boards and
> rewiring the motor to the truck pickups? Nope!
>
> Would you be interested in swapping both AC reversing boards for one of
> your regular speed can motors? Not really, but will if you pay shipping
> both ways. Should be $3 from my end to you via first class mail.
>
> THNX,
> Don Munsey, Jr
> UpperRightCorner of Louisiana USA
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61574 From: Timboy Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hey Guys:

Someone on another forum had a question for me as to how I hand-lay my track. Since a pic is worth 1K words, I took about 40 of them and did a little "how-to" pictorial on my blog. Here is a link:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

If anyone needs any clarification on the above, please don't ask. Er, I mean please don't hesitate to ask. LOL

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61575 From: Dave Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: CANADA Shipping Up-date
Hello to all of our friends in Canada. We are glad to finally announce that we NOW SHIP OUR DECALS TO CANADA.


http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/index.html



Thank you for your continuing support.
Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 61576 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: Lot"S" of "S" for "S"ale
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



American
Models #114 PRR Boxcar
numbered 47898, originally sold as a kit, but has been
assembled and is ready to run. The wheels, however, are bright and
shiny, indicating they have never been run.It has hi-rail wheels,
spring-cushioned trucks, and non-operating Gilbert-compatible knuckle
couplers, similar to but smaller than Gilbert's "fixed knuckle"
couplers.  It comes in the original plastic-cover box. There
are spots where the glue is visible; it's obvious they were not
assembled at the factory. 2010 Greenberg lists it at $34.




All the rest is Gilbert Flyer.




Steam Locomotives
21088 Franklin Loco runs great and
smokes great.  The reversing unit is sticky.  The coupler
works and everything is in great shape except that the bell is
missing.  The smokestack is loose; I suspect it might be a
repro. VG $80



K325 loco with no trailing truck and no
tender.  I haven't checked it out.


Boxcars


639 yellow unpainted boxcar. Dirty body
& wheels.  Perfect lettering on one side, the L partly
scratched off on the other side.  One black-weight link coupler;
the other is missing.  Both catwalk ends have one corner chipped
off.  $8



984 New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk
ends and both door nibs are intact. No brake wheel. VG- $60
984
New Haven boxcar. Both catwalk ends and both door nibs are intact.
No brake wheel. VG $70

Flatcars


648 track cleaning car in original box
with no brackets or pads; otherwise VG $18



714 log unloading car with three large
logs, button, and track rail. No box. VG $50



24533 Track Cleaning Car. One brake
wheel missing. Otherwise Excellent. $39








Gondolas



two unpainted green 631 T&P
gondolas with one step missing. Otherwise Ex. $15



two unpainted green 631 T&P
gondolas. Ex $17



631 T&P gondola with 1946 coupler
with patent number and all four steps. Has lots of the classic
Gilbert white stuff but will clean to VG+. $10



631 T&P gondola with gold-weight
couplers and two missing steps. Otherwise Ex-. $12



two 804 N&W gondolas. Ex $19



two 805 PRR gondolas. Ex $16



805 PRR gondola. Ex- $15



805 PRR gondola. Ex- $14



911 C&O Gondola with all six pipes
but broken holders. Otherwise Ex. $25



911 C&O Gondola with five pipes and
no holders. Otherwise Ex. $22



two 911 C&O Gondolas with no pipes
or holders. Otherwise Ex. $18



911 C&O Gondola with no pipes or
holders. One broken coupler. Otherwise Ex. $15



five 920 Southern gondolas. Ex $29



920 Southern gondola. VG $20



920 Southern gondola. Ex- $27



920 Southern gondola. Ex but white
paint splotches on one side.




931 green T&P gondola with one step
missing. Dirty. Good. $5



931 green T&P gondola with two
steps missing. VG-. $10



two 941 Frisco gondolas. Ex $22



941 Frisco gondola. Sideframe and two
wheelsets missing. Otherwise VG. $10



24110 PRR gondola. Ex- $16



24110 PRR gondola. Has all four steps
and good couplers. Good+//VG- $10



24124 Boston & Maine gondola. Ex
$21



24124 Boston & Maine gondola. Ex
$21






Hopper cars



632 LNE unpainted black hopper with
1946 link couplers. Faded lettering and no steps. Early version with
no journal boxes. Normal warping. $5



632 LNE unpainted black hopper with
1946 link couplers and strong lettering, but no steps. One missing
link coupler. Normal warping. $5



632 LNE unpainted black hopper with
1946 link couplers and strong lettering, but only one step. One
missing journal box. Normal warping. $6



632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold
weight link couplers. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow
remains visible in reflected light. One step is broken off. $3



632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold
weight link couplers and all four steps. All lettering is faded out;
only a shadow remains visible in reflected light. $4



632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold
weight link couplers. All lettering is strong. Half of one step is
missing. Will clean to Ex-. $8



632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold
weight link couplers. Lettering is fairly strong. No steps are
missing. Small chip out of the top of the rim on one side. Will
clean to VG+. $7



A really dirty 640 hopper with black
lettering and all four steps; has been converted to knuckle
couplers.  A few small spots of paint loss.  $6



dirty 640 hopper with black lettering
and all four steps; both trucks are rusty and one has missing wheels
and coupler. $2



640 hopper with black lettering and
black weight link couplers. One step has its tip broken off. $10



640 hopper with white lettering and
black weight link couplers. Has original box that has come unglued
and flaps are missing from one end. Car is in Excellent condition
$15



640 hopper with white lettering and
black weight link couplers. One missing step and some letters
incomplete $10



640 hopper with white lettering and
brass weight link couplers. One missing step and some letters
incomplete $10



dirty 640 hopper with white lettering.
One truck missing. Coupler is missing on the other truck. Two missing
steps and some letters incomplete $2



640 Wabash hopper with all four steps.
A little rust on both trucks, barely noticeable on one. Lettering is
perfect on one side; scrape through one leg of the H on the other.
Body will clean to Ex-. $30



640 Wabash hopper with one broken step.
A little discoloration on one truck, but I don't think it's rust.
Lettering is near perfect on both sides – small scratches in only a
few letters – but it is a bit faded, not a bright as the other car.
Body will clean to VG+. $25



716 Operating Dump Car. Works
properly. 1946 version with center pickup and Patent number on link
coupler. One coupler is broken. Weak C-6. $20



801 B&O hopper with two broken
steps, both on one side. Lettering is a little faded, but perfect; a
couple of little black dots in both the B and the O are identical on
both sides, which tells me they are flaws in the stamps used to
letter the car. Has four weights glued inside so it's a good
candidate for a coal or gravel load (see below). Will clean to Ex-.
$10



801 B&O hopper with two broken
steps, one on each side. Lettering is a little faded, but perfect.
Will clean to Ex-. $10



801 B&O hopper with two broken
steps, one on each side, and a broken crossbar. Lettering is
unusually bright and thick; may be relettered. Has some rust colored
paint on one side of both trucks. VG? $8



940 Wabash hopper with all four steps.
Lettering is perfect. Body will clean to Ex. $34



940 Wabash hopper with all four steps.
Lettering is perfect. Body will clean to Ex. $34



940 Wabash hopper with all four steps.
Lettering is perfect. Body will clean to Ex- if not Ex. $33



940 Wabash hopper with all four steps.
Lettering is perfect. On one coupler, the spring that opens it is
broken; when closed, it holds just fine – perfectly good for
running on a layout. Ex. $32



940 Wabash hopper with all four steps.
Lettering is perfect. Body will clean to Ex. Both couplers are
broken. $25



Three add-in coal loads (black) and two
gravel loads (gray) for the above two-bay hoppers. $3 each

924 Jersey Central CRP covered
hopper with one broken step; otherwise strong VG $20



dirty 924 Jersey Central CRP covered
hopper with a small ding and one broken step; otherwise VG $17



Accessories


769A Aircraft Beacon Tower. Bulb is
burned out so I tested it with a bulb from my layout and it does
work. You may want to replace the beacon head: the aluminum sheath
is no longer a smoothe tube and both lenses are slightly warped. The
smokestack must have gotten lost because the former owner replaced it
with something that looks good. He also cut open the platform at the
top of the ladder to make it look like the tower for Gabe the
Lamplighter. Needs cleaning. $25


Lots of curved and straight track in varying condition from rust-free to very rusty.



Parts
Caboose Industries 5202S ground throws.
5-pack $15 (two of them).



Guts of a 350 Royal Blue locomotive:
motor, reversing e-unit, wheels, chassis, and light socket. Gear
cover plate is missing. Everything is dirty and e-unit enclosure has
rust. Untested but tag reads “Needs repair.” $15



Guts of a 350 Royal Blue locomotive:
motor, reversing e-unit, wheels, chassis, and plug board. Wheels
need cleaning, but they're not bad. No rust. Untested. $25
















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Group: S-Trains Message: 61577 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/9/2010
Subject: S scale layout available
Gents...An S scale standard gauged layout is looking for a new good home.
Overall size fills most of a 2-car garage. Benchwork and trackwork finished
with Tortoise switch motors. No scenery. No rolling stock included.
Presently located in the San Francisco Bay area. Open grid benchwork will
need cutting and splicing back together. Was not built in modular fashion.
There is an upper loop, lower loop, connecting tracks on grade and a small
yard. New owner must take it away promptly. Photos and dimensions
available to SERIOUS inquiries made OFF LIST directly to me. Wood and track
alone are easily worth a few hundred dollars. The layout's price is right!
A most unusual set of circumstances has led to this rare situation. Thanks
for your interest...Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61578 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Train running through a tornado...
I expect some of the skeptics will come out and say that this was just a figment of W's imagination you know like those who said the film of 9-11 was contrived. But, it is very difficult to argue with film like this!!


_____

****************************


Be sure to stay with this to the end of the video! It is impressive.

train running through a tornado...
This video came from a guy that works for the RR as a train dispatcher. Every once in a while he sends a cool video involving trains. This is one of them.
Trains nowadays mount cameras in their cabs, facing forward and backward,the same way police cars do. This video is a rearward camera. This is video of a train that ran through a tornado..
First there is the normal rearward view from the last of three engines, with the trees looking normal. Then you begin to see rain, and then, halfway through the video the trees begin to sway violently . . . and then the "fun" begins...
Click on this:
http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/7769081/124862335/name/Tornado1.wmv/tornado1.wmv



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61579 From: Timboy Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: American Flyer Screen Saver
Guys:

I don't know of an American Flyer screen saver out there per se, but I know how to make one. Go to this site and download your favorite pics from the Gilbert American Flyer catalogs:

http://myflyertrains.org/

Store them on your hard drive and load them into a screen saver that you probably already have. Otherwise, you can easily get a free one by searching online. That is precisely what I did and I love it! Here is a site where you can make your own from some generic ones:

http://www.freesaver.com/

My newest blog is about how I hand-lay my own track. If you haven't seen it and want to, go here:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

As always, when visiting ANY web site, make sure you use protection AND it is up to date!

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61580 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - F3 inventory for sale.
On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Don Thompson wrote:

> We have some F3s that we are putting to the e-groups for sale.
> These have been out of stock for sometime now. Most of these are
> Locomatic (anything AC/DC sound is Locomatic) and we would rather
> sell as such. We are open to starting a waiting list if items do
> not sell to have our original Soundtraxx DCC sound (can support an
> F7 AB using MU cables). Other options could be discussed. Items not
> sold by Tuesday afternoon, will be brought to York. Items can be
> delivered to York, but payment must be made when the order is
> placed. No layaways. No holding for checks.
> First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
> website by purchasing a catalog and in the comments box, indicating
> which units are being purchased. Items are being sold as "New in
> Box" and the warranty will apply. Not available through our dealer
> network.
>
> Don

00362 $ 499.95 B&O # 1 F3 A & B Set
00363 $ 499.95 B&O F3 A & B Set*
00367 $ 499.95 C & NW #2 F3 A & B Set
00368 $ 499.95 DL & W #1 F3 A & B Set
00368 $ 499.95 DL&W F3 A & B Set*
00369 $ 499.95 DL & W #2 F3 A & B Set
00370 $ 499.95 MEC #1 F3 A & B Set
00371 $ 499.95 MEC #2 F3 A & B Set
00372 $ 499.95 NYC #1 F3 Pass A & B Set
00375 $ 499.95 SOU #2 F3 A& B Set
00378 $ 499.95 UP #1 F3 A & B Set*
00382X $ 399.95 UNDEC F3 Ph2 A & B DCNS
00385 $ 499.95 NYC #1 Freight A & B Set

PS remaining F7s....

00931 $ 499.95 AT & SF Freight #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00901 $ 699.95 AT & SF Freight AC/DC Sound F7ABA
00815 $ 299.95 B & M # 2 AC/DC SND F7A
00814 $ 299.95 B & M #1 AC/DC SND F7A
00932 $ 499.95 B & M #1 AC/DC SND F7AB
00889 $ 199.95 B & M #1 DC n/S F7B
00933 $ 499.95 B & M #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00902 $ 699.95 B & M A/C D/C Sound F7A BA
00821 $ 299.95 Missouri Pacific #2 AC/DC SND F7A
00905 $ 699.95 Missouri Pacific A/C d/C SND F7ABA
00940 $ 499.95 Penn # 1 AC/DC SND F7AB
00941 $ 499.95 Penn # 2 AC/DC SND F7AB
00997 $ 299.95 Penn #1 AC/DC SND F7B
00823 $ 299.95 Undecorated AC/DC SND F7A


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61581 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Train running through a tornado
I get a lot of questionable photots and videos through e-mail, some sent from Stumpy's Corner readers wanting me to check them out. Recently there is a "former CIA video" going around that is supposed to show that the driver of the car turned and shot President Kennedy back in '63. After careful study of an obviously degraded copy of what was actually the famous Zabruder film, I determined it was fake for a number of reasons.
When I first was e-mailed a copy of the train/tornado video some time ago, I too was skeptical. Therefore I veiwed the video a couple of times. Looks legit to me, especailly considering that tornados blow trains off tracks, trucks off roads, pick up large mining machinery and carry it, destroy whole towns, and so on.
Seek shelter in a tornado, and the cab of your diesel loco isn't it!
Stumpy Stone...it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61582 From: Rance and Bente Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: Train running through a tornado...
Edited message by moderator

No, Too much to the link. I removed the last part and it ran just fine.

http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/7769081/124862335/name/Tornado1.wmv/

Ed Eckert
moderator


Hi all:
I clicked on the link below but only got that it wasn't available. Is
that a Yahoo problem? Is something missing from the link?
thanks
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> I expect some of the skeptics will come out and say that this was just
> a figment of W's imagination you know like those who said the film of
> 9-11 was contrived. But, it is very difficult to argue with film like
> this!!
>
> _____
>
> ****************************
>
> Be sure to stay with this to the end of the video! It is impressive.
>
> train running through a tornado...
> This video came from a guy that works for the RR as a train
> dispatcher. Every once in a while he sends a cool video involving
> trains. This is one of them.
> Trains nowadays mount cameras in their cabs, facing forward and
> backward,the same way police cars do. This video is a rearward camera.
> This is video of a train that ran through a tornado..
> First there is the normal rearward view from the last of three
> engines, with the trees looking normal. Then you begin to see rain,
> and then, halfway through the video the trees begin to sway violently
> . . . and then the "fun" begins...
> Click on this:
> http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/7769081/124862335/name/Tornado1.wmv/tornado1.wmv
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61583 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/10/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday October 10, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61584 From: ara2060 Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Painting tutorial from The Aspen Modeling Company
I just posted on our website a pdf painting tutorial on our Cowboy on Horse figure.

www.theaspenmodelingcompany.com

Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 61585 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: S-Chat Tonight 8 pm
The weekly S-Trains Chat will take place tonight at 8 PM until lights out, as usual.

http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/

For some reason the automatic reminders and links to this event are not being sent?

Look forward to seeing everyone there!

Chuck Harrington
http://www.myflyertrains.org
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61586 From: s-nut Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: local Fort Worth Texas train show
Hey all,

Well just those that are close. The Fort Worth train show will be Oct 30 and 31 at the will Rodgers exibit hall. 2 local clubs will be set up and running. Lone Star Flyer club, and Trinity Express will be glad to see you. There will be several "S" venders there as well. Then you will find out about the Plano Texas show.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas
Group: S-Trains Message: 61587 From: s-nut Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: upcoming train show
from: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer club
Arlington, Texas

We will be set up and running at the Fort Worth, Texas train show at the Will Rodgers exibit hall on Oct 30 and 31. Trinity Express will have their's up and running as well. This is one of 2 shows. The next one will be in Plano, Texas in January. These are the only north Texas train showsand there will be some "S" venders there as well. Hope to see some of you North Texas there. The Lone Star Flyer club will havea new section on our layout.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 61588 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: "S"acto Convention Hi-Rail Layout
Gents....

The 2011 NASG national convention and National Train Show will feature the
LOOKOUT JUNCTION hi-rail layout constructed by the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
of Boise, Idaho. Here are a couple of video clips of TV news shows with
footage of this very ineresting layout.


<http://www.kidk.com/news/local/104677614.html?tab=video>
http://www.kidk.com/news/local/104677614.html?tab=video



<http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=510689
6&h1=Lookout%20Junction&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=120067&LaunchPageAdTag=Homepage&ac
tivePane=info&rnd=92566123>
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=5106896
&h1=Lookout%20Junction&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=120067&LaunchPageAdTag=Homepage&act
ivePane=info&rnd=92566123

For more details about the convention in "S"acramento, CA click here:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

and here:

http://www.x2011west.org/index.html

See you in "S"acto....Ed Loizeaux







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61589 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: L-AF U33C and Challenger at York
All,

At the Lionel presentation this afternoon at the Toy Train Museum in Strasburg, Matt Ashba showed an advanced pre-production sample of the U33C (in E-L colors) and a fairly far developed sample of the UP Challenger in black. These will be viewable more closely at the Lionel display in Orange Hall at the York fairgrounds.

Bob Bubeck




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local Fort Worth Texas train show
Posted by: "s-nut" adlbert1950@... alanlambert2006
Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:58 am (PDT)


Hey all,

Well just those that are close. The Fort Worth train show will be Oct 30 and 31 at the will Rodgers exibit hall. 2 local clubs will be set up and running. Lone Star Flyer club, and Trinity Express will be glad to see you. There will be several "S" venders there as well. Then you will find out about the Plano Texas show.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas




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upcoming train show
Posted by: "s-nut" adlbert1950@... alanlambert2006
Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:58 am (PDT)


from: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer club
Arlington, Texas

We will be set up and running at the Fort Worth, Texas train show at the Will Rodgers exibit hall on Oct 30 and 31. Trinity Express will have their's up and running as well. This is one of 2 shows. The next one will be in Plano, Texas in January. These are the only north Texas train showsand there will be some "S" venders there as well. Hope to see some of you North Texas there. The Lone Star Flyer club will havea new section on our layout.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert



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"S"acto Convention Hi-Rail Layout
Posted by: "Edward Loizeaux" Loizeaux@... ed_loizeaux
Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:28 pm (PDT)


Gents....

The 2011 NASG national convention and National Train Show will feature the
LOOKOUT JUNCTION hi-rail layout constructed by the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
of Boise, Idaho. Here are a couple of video clips of TV news shows with
footage of this very ineresting layout.


<http://www.kidk.com/news/local/104677614.html?tab=video>
http://www.kidk.com/news/local/104677614.html?tab=video



<http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=510689
6&h1=Lookout%20Junction&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=120067&LaunchPageAdTag=Homepage&ac
tivePane=info&rnd=92566123>
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=5106896
&h1=Lookout%20Junction&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=120067&LaunchPageAdTag=Homepage&act
ivePane=info&rnd=92566123

For more details about the convention in "S"acramento, CA click here:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

and here:

http://www.x2011west.org/index.html

See you in "S"acto....Ed Loizeaux






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61590 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Jim Walsh
It seems that messages like this one are becoming all too frequent.
Recently while doing research for the displays website, I was trying to
see if I could contact Jim Walsh about the Gilbert News, and instead
found his death notice. While I didn't know him, I knew what he did in
editing the first Greenberg price guides and also in preserving a
collection of the Gilbert News, the company newsletter, as well as his
collection of very rare Gilbert items. The link for the obituary is at

http://www.newcomeralbany.com/obituary.asp?src=value&obitid=42915

Dale Smith
Group: S-Trains Message: 61591 From: Bruce Date: 10/14/2010
Subject: Re: Jim Walsh
Wow. Thank you. I wouldn't have known that he died. He recently was active on eBay, selling some nice items. Then, about 3 or so months ago, he just disappeared. I didn't know him personally either, but I was very aware of his stature in the hobby. We seem to be dropping off like flies, although Jim died young.

Rest in peace, Jim.

Bruce DeGailler, Sr.



From: Dale Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:04 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Jim Walsh



It seems that messages like this one are becoming all too frequent.
Recently while doing research for the displays website, I was trying to
see if I could contact Jim Walsh about the Gilbert News, and instead
found his death notice. While I didn't know him, I knew what he did in
editing the first Greenberg price guides and also in preserving a
collection of the Gilbert News, the company newsletter, as well as his
collection of very rare Gilbert items. The link for the obituary is at

http://www.newcomeralbany.com/obituary.asp?src=value&obitid=42915

Dale Smith




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61592 From: Carey Probst Date: 10/14/2010
Subject: Re: Jim Walsh
I had the good fortune of meeting Jim when I lived in upstate NY and
was fortunate enough to visit him a couple times at his home. His
collection was truly amazing and he was a very nice person. I have a
number of his castoffs in my AF collection which he sold as he acquired
better examples.

Thanks to Jim both of my sons have a number of nice AF trains to start
their layouts as they have space now that they are adults and on their own.

Carey



Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


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> From: Dale Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:04 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Jim Walsh
>
> It seems that messages like this one are becoming all too frequent.
> Recently while doing research for the displays website, I was trying to
> see if I could contact Jim Walsh about the Gilbert News, and instead
> found his death notice. While I didn't know him, I knew what he did in
> editing the first Greenberg price guides and also in preserving a
> collection of the Gilbert News, the company newsletter, as well as his
> collection of very rare Gilbert items. The link for the obituary is at
>
> http://www.newcomeralbany.com/obituary.asp?src=value&obitid=42915
> <http://www.newcomeralbany.com/obituary.asp?src=value&obitid=42915>
>
> Dale Smith
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61593 From: michael prell Date: 10/14/2010
Subject: Re: Jim Walsh
To anyone who reads about Jim Walsh, I strongly suggest viewing the tribute video put together by his family. Each day we read eachother's posts and gleen knowledge about the passionate "hobby' we share. I never knew Mr Walsh nor did I know of his association with Flyer. Having seen this presentation leaves me with the feeling that I would have enjoyed his friendship.
Mike Prell-"S"-yracuse, NY


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:


From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Jim Walsh
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 2:04 PM


 



It seems that messages like this one are becoming all too frequent.
Recently while doing research for the displays website, I was trying to
see if I could contact Jim Walsh about the Gilbert News, and instead
found his death notice. While I didn't know him, I knew what he did in
editing the first Greenberg price guides and also in preserving a
collection of the Gilbert News, the company newsletter, as well as his
collection of very rare Gilbert items. The link for the obituary is at

http://www.newcomeralbany.com/obituary.asp?src=value&obitid=42915

Dale Smith










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Group: S-Trains Message: 61594 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: USS Potomac.....(FDR's presidential yacht)
Folks...

Details are starting to emerge from the committee. Here is some new
information regarding the Advance Section. The USS Potomac is a remarkable
experience. Click here for more information about the convention:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

See you in "S"acto....
Ed Loizeaux

Advance Section
The Advance Section is a pre-convention event Friday noon July 1 thru Sunday
July 3 afternoon and located in the San Francisco Bay region. It is an
opportunity to enjoy home layout tours, prototype operating sessions,
prototype rail and industrial tours, non-rail functions and an evening on
San Francisco Bay aboard the USS Potomac (FDR's presidential yacht). The
Advance Section activities will be centered at the Hilton Newark/Fremont
hotel. Layout tours and many other activities will have both self-guided
private car and bus touring formats. Sunday afternoon there will be an
optional train ride to Sacramento to connect with the main convention in
Sacramento.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61595 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/17/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Date:   Sunday October 17, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61596 From: Ben Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
York was inspiring as usual- I saw 625 orange Shell tankers, original Gabes, G Fox Boxcars, original dealer displays, a 584 Bell Danger Signal, and other rare artifacts. The Flyer Nut meeting was as usual incredible with many unusual items discussed and shared - among them perhaps the only example of a 587 S gauge signal, an original coat hook from the AC Gilbert factory, and some amazing Gilbert games.

As awesome as it was, I was disappointed in the amount of cell phones ("Hey Buddy- aren't you looking for a ________? I am standing right in front of one in Orange Hall. How much do you want to spend??") Members/guests wielding cameras in the halls snapping photos- with nobody stopping them. I don't care about these particular rules...I can take them or leave them, but please let me know so I can make calls and take pictures, too. I would like to...

Also- I really did not appreciate being chased out of the halls 20 minutes early each day nor the halls being opened early on Thursday. Friday evening I felt I was being herded out much too early- they actually began shutting off lights at 6:35. This is unacceptable. I paid my dollars for the admission pass- I want the time advertised to shop. Consistency seems to have been thrown out the window.

I appreciate all of the time the volunteers put into making this show the monumental event that it is. I consider it a privilege to be a part of it and know that nothing would happen without the hard work of hundreds, even thousands of people behind the scenes. We'll see how things go in April.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61597 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: YORK
The great York Reunion is over, reality setting back in. Weather was
typical for this time of year, IF you didn't like, you only had to wait a few
hours for change. Rain Monday evening into early Tuesday, BEAUTIFUL day on
Wednesday, Rain started at 0858 on Thursday as we anxiously awaited the
doors to open to GET IN out of the rain to set up (Dealer Halls, anyway).
Winds, gusty at times blew the rain out Friday, Saturday was breezy (unless
you were crossing a long river bridge) , temps were seasonal.

Debbie Geiser and Company did another phenomenal job.

I would HOPE the York Fairgrounds could find larger AMERICAN FLAGS for at
least the Toyota Bldg. Most people ignore them anyway during the Openings,
but, they are so small as to be difficult to see IF you do care.

Jim "back on the Keystone Main" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61598 From: Glenn Date: 10/17/2010
Subject: YORK WEEK
This week was the huge York Eastern TCA Train Meet.
Since no pictures are allowed at the York meet
I took these pictures at the National Toy Train
Museum Open House on Wednesday October 13.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NTTM.html

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61599 From: EdSauers Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets and Couplers
Group,

I have 9 sets(36) of SHS 33" AF compatible Wheels and couplers (18) for Sale, asking $45 shipped.

If interested contact Ed at edsauers@...

Thanks

Ed Sauers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61600 From: Timboy Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Yet another York post
This fall's York event was terrific, as they all are and I spent too much, as I always do. I also always make it a point to look at the wonderful 3-rail O gauge set-up in the Black (I think) Hall. I always find points of inspiration from that modular layout that is set up differently every time. Thanks to the guys who host it!

I've slowed down a little on my build, due to other things that need some attention around the house. However, cold weather is coming soon and when the snow flies...

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61601 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
I was not at York, as I was in Maine for our annual trip to Acadia National Park.

I am sorry to hear about the use of cell phones and taking of pictures, as it seems that rules do not apply to many in life.

I did pick up in Maine, a 1956 set in e or better with a 336 engine for 650, as the set list in the 2004 TM book for 1200.

Did come across a man with a live steam layout on his farm and he gave Linda and me a tour of his work shop of cars and engine, a SF diesel and several steam engines, as this was in Cherryfield, ME.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61602 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Dear Ben,
I understand your frustrations over the strange opening and closing
of the Orange and Purple Halls. I am not sure what happened, the
rumor on Thursday is the early opening was due to the rain. Most of
the outside entrances are not covered like the main entrance. I think
the guards just felt sorry for the wet TCA people and let them
inside. I know that not all entrances were open at the same time. It
was strange to see non-table holders walking around on Thursday before
noon while we were still setting up. I have no idea why they closed
early on both days, but it was a welcome relief for all of us who just
WORKED for 10 hours on Thursday and 10 hours on Friday.
Maybe it is because I have been coming to York for over 35 years,
but I really liked the old way much better. Two days and on Friday
most table holders left around 5 PM. We were able to find tables in
good restaurants without waiting for hours or finish eating after 9
PM. As a vendor I was never a fan of the extended days. It meant
either two extra days of hotel costs and meals or waking up in the wee
hours to drive to York and get a good spot for our truck. The feeling
among most vendors is that you do not sell an extra dollar of
merchandise being open for 3 days. Like most table holders I have
talked to since the extra day was added, you sales are still the
highest on Friday, with Thursday being about half as much and Saturday
about a tenth of that. With the old format, Saturday was about half
as much as Friday. We leave on Saturday exhausted, but that might be
as much due to my age as well as the extra day...
Don

On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Ben wrote:

> ....I really did not appreciate being chased out of the halls 20
> minutes early each day nor the halls being opened early on Thursday.
> Friday evening I felt I was being herded out much too early- they
> actually began shutting off lights at 6:35. This is unacceptable.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61603 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Website
A small website I put together..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61604 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: Website
Nice job, Brady.

A neat and clean site with the kinds of things I like to see. I will enjoy seeing what you put up on the site in the future, especially as you add your the layout.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Website



A small website I put together..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61605 From: barry_ja Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: YORK WEEK
Glenn.
Thanks for the pictures!! I could not make it this year but at least I can view your work.

Barry Jamison

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote:
>
>
> This week was the huge York Eastern TCA Train Meet.
> Since no pictures are allowed at the York meet
> I took these pictures at the National Toy Train
> Museum Open House on Wednesday October 13.
> http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NTTM.html
>
> Glenn
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61606 From: JohnS Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Hi Group!
Hi all,

I joined awhile back, & U all welcomed me, thank U!

Sorry it took me so long, to post my layout on Utube, as i promised. I only have three speeds, (STOP-SLOW, & REVERSE) LOL!

Go to Utube, & type in johnlovestimi U will see "American Flyer trains", click on the clip, & U will see my twin girls running the trains. U can also go to Google center search, & type in johnlovestimi to see my layout, enjoy!

HAPPY HALOWWEN to ALL!! Kind regards, John

PS Will post more vids soon!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61607 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
I totally agree that the vendors do not sell more product as they take in more expensive for doing the York meet.

I can feel for Don, as I used to work restaurant trade shows for two days when in the wholesale business.

It really takes a toll on you, as trade shows where just 2 days, but York is 3 for the vendors.

Mike Marmer


From: Don Thompson
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:46 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York notes...gripes...no need to respond



Dear Ben,
I understand your frustrations over the strange opening and closing
of the Orange and Purple Halls. I am not sure what happened, the
rumor on Thursday is the early opening was due to the rain. Most of
the outside entrances are not covered like the main entrance. I think
the guards just felt sorry for the wet TCA people and let them
inside. I know that not all entrances were open at the same time. It
was strange to see non-table holders walking around on Thursday before
noon while we were still setting up. I have no idea why they closed
early on both days, but it was a welcome relief for all of us who just
WORKED for 10 hours on Thursday and 10 hours on Friday.
Maybe it is because I have been coming to York for over 35 years,
but I really liked the old way much better. Two days and on Friday
most table holders left around 5 PM. We were able to find tables in
good restaurants without waiting for hours or finish eating after 9
PM. As a vendor I was never a fan of the extended days. It meant
either two extra days of hotel costs and meals or waking up in the wee
hours to drive to York and get a good spot for our truck. The feeling
among most vendors is that you do not sell an extra dollar of
merchandise being open for 3 days. Like most table holders I have
talked to since the extra day was added, you sales are still the
highest on Friday, with Thursday being about half as much and Saturday
about a tenth of that. With the old format, Saturday was about half
as much as Friday. We leave on Saturday exhausted, but that might be
as much due to my age as well as the extra day...
Don

On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Ben wrote:

> ....I really did not appreciate being chased out of the halls 20
> minutes early each day nor the halls being opened early on Thursday.
> Friday evening I felt I was being herded out much too early- they
> actually began shutting off lights at 6:35. This is unacceptable.
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61608 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: 336 engine
I picked up a 336 AF engine that is still wrapped up in packing.

I will unpack it tomorrow.

How do I know if I have a large or small motor 336?

Measurement?

Thanks, as this might be a dumb question to some, but I have no clue in telling most likely.

Thanks!!!!

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61609 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Group!
Thanks John, With all of those transformers, you must have an Edison
substation license. The engineers are excellent.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JohnS
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Hi Group!


Hi all,

I joined awhile back, & U all welcomed me, thank U!

Sorry it took me so long, to post my layout on Utube, as i promised. I
only have three speeds, (STOP-SLOW, & REVERSE) LOL!

Go to Utube, & type in johnlovestimi U will see "American Flyer
trains", click on the clip, & U will see my twin girls running the
trains. U can also go to Google center search, & type in johnlovestimi
to see my layout, enjoy!

HAPPY HALOWWEN to ALL!! Kind regards, John

PS Will post more vids soon!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61610 From: Mark Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: 751 log loader
Hi
I just bought an American Flyet log loader on e-bat that needs repairs.Does anyone have a parts breakdown for this item and can anyone tell me if there are differnt models of the 751? Mine has a 2 button controler and a black plastic base witch is broken.Any help would be great
Group: S-Trains Message: 61611 From: acgilbertguy Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Don, Your comments about the three-days versus two-days at the fairgrounds are right on the mark. Most of the table holders/dealers I have talked to don't like the Thur-Sat schedule for the reasons you cited. Most buyers I have talked to on the subject don't like it either because it messed up the schedule for the other shows earlier in the week. There is also frustration by the buyers when tables are not uncovered and ready for selling, sellers leave early, etc. TCA/Eastern Division in the past did not allow this to happen. It seems like the rules just aren't enforced anymore. Some of us travel great distances at considerable expense to be a part of the great York experience. Sometimes I wonder if its worth it. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Ben,
> I understand your frustrations over the strange opening and closing
> of the Orange and Purple Halls. I am not sure what happened, the
> rumor on Thursday is the early opening was due to the rain. Most of
> the outside entrances are not covered like the main entrance. I think
> the guards just felt sorry for the wet TCA people and let them
> inside. I know that not all entrances were open at the same time. It
> was strange to see non-table holders walking around on Thursday before
> noon while we were still setting up. I have no idea why they closed
> early on both days, but it was a welcome relief for all of us who just
> WORKED for 10 hours on Thursday and 10 hours on Friday.
> Maybe it is because I have been coming to York for over 35 years,
> but I really liked the old way much better. Two days and on Friday
> most table holders left around 5 PM. We were able to find tables in
> good restaurants without waiting for hours or finish eating after 9
> PM. As a vendor I was never a fan of the extended days. It meant
> either two extra days of hotel costs and meals or waking up in the wee
> hours to drive to York and get a good spot for our truck. The feeling
> among most vendors is that you do not sell an extra dollar of
> merchandise being open for 3 days. Like most table holders I have
> talked to since the extra day was added, you sales are still the
> highest on Friday, with Thursday being about half as much and Saturday
> about a tenth of that. With the old format, Saturday was about half
> as much as Friday. We leave on Saturday exhausted, but that might be
> as much due to my age as well as the extra day...
> Don
>
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Ben wrote:
>
> > ....I really did not appreciate being chased out of the halls 20
> > minutes early each day nor the halls being opened early on Thursday.
> > Friday evening I felt I was being herded out much too early- they
> > actually began shutting off lights at 6:35. This is unacceptable.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61612 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: York thoughts
I've been "behind the table" at smaller train shows and large cars shows, I've been a promoter of car shows and auto racing, and helped put together train shows, and of course I've been the guy just coming in the door to look and buy.
Like many other things in life, these events are like a three legged stool. Take the one leg away, and the stool collapses. In this case, take away the promoters, or the vendors, or the folks coming through the door, and the show folds.
The show promoter has to get something, the vendors have to get something, the folks coming in have to get something. It's normal that one or more "legs" will be unhappy about something you do as promoter, but they still come in the door, if you're lucky.
The bottom line of the York complaints seem to be the adding of a day to the schedule, which was done mainly to try to kill the so called "bandit shows" so the folks coming in the door had more money to spend at the York vendors. It appears that didn't work out in the long run. And, of course, the economy isn't helping anyone!
Easy fix, go back to the old schedule. I wish some of the problems I had faced doing car shows and auto races had been so simple to fix!
Stumpy Stone...I still have nightmares of my days as a promoter.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61613 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
The extra Thursday was added to try to thwart the "bandit meets" that sprung up earlier in the week. Such "cute" tactics didn't thwart too many people, and, amazingly, most of the stuff at the "bandit meets" showed up the next day or two at the "real" meet! Same atrocious prices!

I noticed TONS of AF at York this year, but mostly link coupler stuff--T&P gondola at $15, anyone?

Please note: message attached

From: "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:02:26 -0000


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61614 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336 engine
MIKE.... I don't remember the exact number.... but the big motor has 21+ laminations... .... the small motor has around 15.... Bob
 
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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 336 engine
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 11:17 PM


 



I picked up a 336 AF engine that is still wrapped up in packing.

I will unpack it tomorrow.

How do I know if I have a large or small motor 336?

Measurement?

Thanks, as this might be a dumb question to some, but I have no clue in telling most likely.

Thanks!!!!

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61616 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York notes...gripes...no need to respond
When I lived in the area years ago, I never could understand why the halls
weren't open on Sunday - a day off for most buyers - dah? It's the only
show in the country I know of that is that big that is not open on Sunday.
Friday noon to Sunday 4 p.m. I think would help get buyers in the door.
Yeah, I know, vendors would gripe that some would have to take a Monday off
to get home, but come on, now they have to take a Thursday or even a
Wednesday before off. Jeff Madden

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:02 PM, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote:

>
>
> Don, Your comments about the three-days versus two-days at the fairgrounds
> are right on the mark. Most of the table holders/dealers I have talked to
> don't like the Thur-Sat schedule for the reasons you cited. Most buyers I
> have talked to on the subject don't like it either because it messed up the
> schedule for the other shows earlier in the week. There is also frustration
> by the buyers when tables are not uncovered and ready for selling, sellers
> leave early, etc. TCA/Eastern Division in the past did not allow this to
> happen. It seems like the rules just aren't enforced anymore. Some of us
> travel great distances at considerable expense to be a part of the great
> York experience. Sometimes I wonder if its worth it. Rich --- In
> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, Don Thompson <don@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Ben,
> > I understand your frustrations over the strange opening and closing
> > of the Orange and Purple Halls. I am not sure what happened, the
> > rumor on Thursday is the early opening was due to the rain. Most of
> > the outside entrances are not covered like the main entrance. I think
> > the guards just felt sorry for the wet TCA people and let them
> > inside. I know that not all entrances were open at the same time. It
> > was strange to see non-table holders walking around on Thursday before
> > noon while we were still setting up. I have no idea why they closed
> > early on both days, but it was a welcome relief for all of us who just
> > WORKED for 10 hours on Thursday and 10 hours on Friday.
> > Maybe it is because I have been coming to York for over 35 years,
> > but I really liked the old way much better. Two days and on Friday
> > most table holders left around 5 PM. We were able to find tables in
> > good restaurants without waiting for hours or finish eating after 9
> > PM. As a vendor I was never a fan of the extended days. It meant
> > either two extra days of hotel costs and meals or waking up in the wee
> > hours to drive to York and get a good spot for our truck. The feeling
> > among most vendors is that you do not sell an extra dollar of
> > merchandise being open for 3 days. Like most table holders I have
> > talked to since the extra day was added, you sales are still the
> > highest on Friday, with Thursday being about half as much and Saturday
> > about a tenth of that. With the old format, Saturday was about half
> > as much as Friday. We leave on Saturday exhausted, but that might be
> > as much due to my age as well as the extra day...
> > Don
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Ben wrote:
> >
> > > ....I really did not appreciate being chased out of the halls 20
> > > minutes early each day nor the halls being opened early on Thursday.
> > > Friday evening I felt I was being herded out much too early- they
> > > actually began shutting off lights at 6:35. This is unacceptable.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61617 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: 336 engine
Thanks Bob, as some have sent me measurements too.

I will let you all know what it is later.

Mike


From: Robert Conner
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:33 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 engine



MIKE.... I don't remember the exact number.... but the big motor has 21+ laminations... .... the small motor has around 15.... Bob

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 336 engine
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 11:17 PM



I picked up a 336 AF engine that is still wrapped up in packing.

I will unpack it tomorrow.

How do I know if I have a large or small motor 336?

Measurement?

Thanks, as this might be a dumb question to some, but I have no clue in telling most likely.

Thanks!!!!

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61618 From: Nick Kulp Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Greetings Stumpy,
 
First and foremost, the York crew did a FANTASTIC job again. I found some treasures and enjoyed another York experience. Thanks folks for all of the hard work.
 
>>>>>
The bottom line of the York complaints seem to be the adding of a day to the schedule, which was done mainly to try to kill the so called "bandit shows" so the folks coming in the door had more money to spend at the York vendors.  It appears that didn't work out in the long run.  And, of course, the economy isn't helping anyone!
Easy fix, go back to the old schedule.
>>>>>
 
As always you have spoken with wisdom and common sense. I am a "casual" as far as train collecting goes. As many know, I like to actually run my trains. I started going to York as a non-member years before I joined because a couple of very good friends were members and they were always finding great bargains there. Since I was working, I could only take one day off to attend. Since I was not a member, the only shows I could attend were the bandit shows in the parking lots the day before the actual show.
 
Those bandit shows gave me a taste of what might be inside the halls that I could not enter. Those same bandit shows are the real reason I finally joined TCA. I wanted to get into those halls to find more bargains. As far as the complaints about extra day costs or larger hotel expenses, the vendors that set up for the "bandit" shows obviously made enough money to keep them attending the extra day. The bandit shows were obviously attended enough for the buyers that came to make them continue as well. As a person that would attend both the bandit shows and the "members-only" show, I think that a return to the old schedule would be a good move. It would permit the bandit shows to start up again and for non-members to get bitten by the TCA bug like they did for me.
 
The bandit shows did not force all table-holders to pay the expenses for an extra show day and those that only wanted to set up for the real show, did not have to set up for the bandit shows. The sellers that whined about the bandit shows killing sales are the same whiners that are complaining about the extra day. Personally, I would love the opportunity to take non-member friends to the bandit shows so they can see that TCA is not just tinplate toys. It is a group of hobbyists enjoying the great world of model trains. When the bandit shows were stopped, the TCA lost a huge potential for future members. The "visit once as a guest" rule does not provide enough time to truly enjoy the York experience.
 
Just my personal observations. The bandit shows made me want to join and through them, I have sponsered several new members.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp

We Live in the "Land of the Free", only because of the Brave.

God Bless our Soldiers, Especially our snipers.

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight,
he'll just kill you.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61619 From: william cole Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: show thoughts.....
as long as shows in general have at least one weekend day, the trend toward the during the week shows is leaving out the guys who work for a living !!!!!
 
...and what dealers would want people who are making money coming to a show? <grins>

how many guys can't come because they work for a living?

Bc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61620 From: ron_tallyho Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Circus set
I've looked at a couple of circus sets lately and have a couple of questions. Did the coach come both painted yellow and yellow plastic. Also is there a preferred color on the cages and are there more preferred animals as I think they made six. Also did any of the engines have smoke. Thank you Ron Plyler
Group: S-Trains Message: 61621 From: John Seaman Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Group!
Hi Bill, & group,
 
Thank U, i will be posting more soon, John

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Hi Group!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:43 PM


 



Thanks John, With all of those transformers, you must have an Edison
substation license. The engineers are excellent.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JohnS
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Hi Group!

Hi all,

I joined awhile back, & U all welcomed me, thank U!

Sorry it took me so long, to post my layout on Utube, as i promised. I
only have three speeds, (STOP-SLOW, & REVERSE) LOL!

Go to Utube, & type in johnlovestimi U will see "American Flyer
trains", click on the clip, & U will see my twin girls running the
trains. U can also go to Google center search, & type in johnlovestimi
to see my layout, enjoy!

HAPPY HALOWWEN to ALL!! Kind regards, John

PS Will post more vids soon!!











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61622 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Circus set
Hello,
Yes I do know of the yellow plastic and yellow painted coaches, and I
have never seen a " Smoking " Circus engine.

Although, a few of my friends have made them by re - painting trashed royal
blues and drilling out the stack, and putting in the guts of an old Silver
Bullet.

I know the animals and cages came in many variations, but I don't recall them
all at the moment!

Sorry

Rich





________________________________
From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:53:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Circus set


I've looked at a couple of circus sets lately and have a couple of questions.
Did the coach come both painted yellow and yellow plastic. Also is there a
preferred color on the cages and are there more preferred animals as I think
they made six. Also did any of the engines have smoke. Thank you Ron Plyler







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61623 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: York Reunion notes
The big issue is that there are reportedly almost NO sales on Saturday
anywhere on the Fairgrounds excepting maybe someone lo-balling to get rid of
mdse to buy gas to get home. Every complaint you have heard about
non-existent Saturday sales is true in my estimation. One of the BIGGEST players
stated on Saturday that one his of the two trucks (usually 20 to 22 footers)
should NOT have left his store. The York Meet, while one of the Premiere
Get- Togethers in any hobby is a hoot to attend, the "PUBLIC" is more likely
to spend money now. The "dealers" and manufacturers have been begging for
the DEALER HALLS to be open to the public on Saturday. There is a
constant stream of reasons why it can't be done, none of which hold much water.
I once had a division officer (NOT Eastern, BTW) stand up in a BOD mtg
and SCREAM at me when I suggested opening to the public. He has one table
in a member hall, NO tax license, etc and would not be affected in ANY WAY
if the DEALER HALLS opened on Saturday. The thinking now is it WILL
change years after it had to change.
I know many dealers who no longer do the Fairgrounds show, instead do one
of the "Bandits" and have done that for years, much more profitable, less
stressful.
The people running the show do a great job, are limited by the politics of
their division. Non dealers are against it, dealers are for it. Simple
numbers game.

BTW, many of the other Division shows ARE open to the public, most are
advertized as such, also.
KEYSTONE DIV Meet ( _www.Keystonetca.org_ (http://www.Keystonetca.org) )
on Nov 20 open to the public, 9 AM.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 10/19/2010 12:33:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nasgdispatch@... writes:

When I lived in the area years ago, I never could understand why the halls
weren't open on Sunday - a day off for most buyers - dah? It's the
only
show in the country I know of that is that big that is not open on Sunday.
Friday noon to Sunday 4 p.m. I think would help get buyers in the door.
Yeah, I know, vendors would gripe that some would have to take a Monday off
to get home, but come on, now they have to take a Thursday or even a
Wednesday before off. Jeff Madden




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61624 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Dear Nick,
That statement is so not true. I don't care about bandit meets.
Let the free market rule. I have always hoped that was not the reason
for the extra day. If it is true, it is very sad to make over 1000
table holders spend extra thousands of dollars for what I feel is not
a very good reason...
Don

On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Nick Kulp wrote:

> ....... The sellers that whined about the bandit shows killing sales
> are the same whiners that are complaining about the extra day.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61625 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
I am told that originally the "members" wanted the extra day at the
Fairgrounds. The Eastern Div operators at the time refused for yrs, so the
"Bandits" came about.
A "new" regime took over the Fairgrounds show and catered to the those
wanting the extra day. I know from experience that if you REALLY want to piss
someone off, give them EXACTLY what they asked for. I''ve seen it more
than once.
Once Eastern added the extra day, then some of the "bandit" promoters added
an extra day to their schedules, THEN raised their rates also, $ 80
became $100 for a SINGLE parking space at the Holidome for three days. LOTS of
spaces at the Holidome now, can easily park on the motel property. NO
more parking at the shopping center to shuttle in. There is always a quid pro
quo.

For every action, there is a raging government OVER-reaction.

Jim Lyle

In a message dated 10/19/2010 10:22:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:

The bottom line of the York complaints seem to be the adding of a day to
the schedule, which was done mainly to try to kill the so called "bandit
shows" so the folks coming in the door had more money to spend at the York
vendors. It appears that didn't work out in the long run


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61626 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Re: Circus set
In a message dated 10/19/2010 3:42:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ron_tallyho@... writes:

I've looked at a couple of circus sets lately and have a couple of
questions. Did the coach come both painted yellow and yellow plastic.
Reportedly, yes




Also is there a preferred color on the cages and are there more preferred
animals as I think they made six.
Apparently you got the four animals you got, the cage color determined what
went into the set box.

I, at one time, had the "extra" car available with the 5th & 6th
animals/cages. Hope to have back in stock soon.


Also did any of the engines have smoke.
NOT the originals, there are some smokers floating around, that shell was
made without provision for smoke.

Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61627 From: hellonc99 Date: 10/19/2010
Subject: Blatant Ad - Flyer for Sale
Hello Flyer Fans,

I have the following available for sale. The prices are as marked plus priority
USPS shipping.

The Flyonel are all new in original box.

Please contact me off-list with any questions/orders. Thanks for looking.

Tom Druga
North Carolina


Number Description
20763 "Casey Jones" set - $70
21166 loco, 24058 Post boxcar, 24124 B&M gondola,
24636 caboose, transformer, track

24225 Santa Fe covered hopper - $18

24316 Mobilgas tank car (one coupler broken) - $15

24549 Erie Floodlight car, sealed in original box - $32

9300 Burlington gondola - $18

9405 Santa Fe bay window caboose - $32

9504 Erie combo car - $65

48329 AT&SF boxcar - $32

48332 MKT boxcar - $32

48406 Celanese Chemicals Tank car - $32

48500 Southern Pacific gondola/canisters - $23

48501 Southern Pacific flatcar/trailers - $28

48516 Southern Pacific searchlight car - $40

48611 Cargill 3-bay covered hopper - $34

48807 Nickel Plate Road reefer - $30

48933 Missouri Pacific dining car - $65

48941 Union Pacific vista dome dining car - $65
Group: S-Trains Message: 61628 From: Timboy Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: York Rants & Comments
Guys:

Here are some of the good, bad and ugly - as I see it - at York (tongue firmly in cheek):

1)I believe that at least part of the original idea in extending the number of days that the dealer halls are open was to spread the crowds out a little. It doesn't work. There is still a huge crowd on Friday during "prime time" and it remains difficult to get around the overweight people with walkers, canes and scooters in narrow isles. Don't you just hate it when you find yourself in the middle of the "wrong" isle and you can't get out! The backpacks and the arms akimbo don't help as well.

2)It kills me to see sheets covering tables with the vendors absent. Sometimes I just want to uncover those tables for them and see what happens. Then I take a deep breath and think, "What would Barb do?". I sigh and try to get around #1) above.

3)It's always the same woman's voice over the loudspeaker admonishing us for daring to carry cellphones. OMG!

4)I always chuckle at seeing the old woman sitting around the perimeters of the insides of the halls on whatever chairs are there. They always look bored out of their skulls. LOL

Seriously, though. I LOVE the York experience - on my level - as a lone wolf. I see some of you guys there. I always keep my name tag tucked in because I don't want to interrupt my very private zone with superficial interactions. Boy, THAT sounds arrogant, doesn't it. It's just the way I enjoy York and to each our own. In all due humbleness, I am probably the friendliest, most courteous person there. I never pick up a piece without being invited to do so first. I never disrespect a vendor. I always point out the good things about a piece before I make an offer. The better vendors then show me the bad points of a piece. Then we deal. I always thank the vendor afterwards for being there and wish them a GREAT show. I always tip the restroom attendant $1 every time and thank them for being there. I always thank the food vendors for their wonderful food (it really is)and thank them for being there. I am always saddened to hear that same woman's voice over the loudspeaker admonishing someone for stealing something. Isn't it wonderful that there is now a red light at the entrance? I always wave an opposing car ahead of me when I'm right there.

There you have it!

OBTW, I haven't made much progress on my build. The cool weather has had me outside, working in the lawn and garden. However, you can see what I've done so far and follow along as the snow flies at:
http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61629 From: Edward Sauers Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: SOLD *** Re: [S-Trains] FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets
SOLD




________________________________
From: EdSauers <ehsauers1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 10:52:03 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets and Couplers

 
Group,

I have 9 sets(36) of SHS 33" AF compatible Wheels and couplers (18) for Sale,
asking $45 shipped.

If interested contact Ed at edsauers@...

Thanks

Ed Sauers







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61630 From: gigeastman Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: show thoughts.....
Here in SoCal a few years ago, a trend in garage sales started with them being held on Friday & Saturday. I'm a working stiff so by the time I show up on Saturday morning, I am left with a small selection of used clothes and ash trays. All the good stuff went Friday. I don't waste my time with them anymore. York has done the same to some of it's potential customers. It's still the biggest around though.

Steve "Papa" Eastman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, william cole <billcwithonec@...> wrote:
>
> as long as shows in general have at least one weekend day, the trend toward the during the week shows is leaving out the guys who work for a living !!!!!
>  
> ...and what dealers would want people who are making money coming to a show? <grins>
>
> how many guys can't come because they work for a living?
>
> Bc
>
> LOandS@yahoogroups.com
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61631 From: michael prell Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Mark,
Check with Doug Peck. doug@...
Good luck!
Mike Prell

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Mark <m.edwards1963@...> wrote:


From: Mark <m.edwards1963@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 751 log loader
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:11 PM


 



Hi
I just bought an American Flyet log loader on e-bat that needs repairs.Does anyone have a parts breakdown for this item and can anyone tell me if there are differnt models of the 751? Mine has a 2 button controler and a black plastic base witch is broken.Any help would be great











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61632 From: Nick Kulp Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
Don,
 
My apologies if I offended anyone. That was not my intent. My statement was merely an observation of a small group I know and their opinion. The extra day only added more time to enjoy the show for me. Saturday never seemed to be worth the travel as a lot of members seemed anxious to pack up and go home. If the show was open all day, it might draw more buyers. I say this only as a buyer, not a seller. I too have sat hours at a table without seeing a customer hoping the clock hands would move faster. Driving to York for a half-day Saturday isn't that attractive to me.
 
I have the luxury of living within driving distance of York. If I was not local, I would probably have never become a TCA member. The TCA is a great organization and I enjoy the social aspect as well but I like operation more than collecting and the young people I introduce to the hobby appreciate working equipment instead of cosmetic beauty. We are always on the lookout for working equipment at the meets.
 
Either way, Two days, three or 1 1/2, I will come to York until I can no longer be there. It is an experience second to none.
 
Regards,
Nick Kulp
 
>>>>>
That statement is so not true.  I don't care about bandit meets.   
Let the free market rule.  I have always hoped that was not the reason 
for the extra day.  If it is true, it is very sad to make over 1000 
table holders spend extra thousands of dollars for what I feel is not 
a very good reason...
>>>>>

We Live in the "Land of the Free", only because of the Brave.

God Bless our Soldiers, Especially our snipers.

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight,
he'll just kill you.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61633 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York thoughts
I never went to York for the bandit meets as to me, the York show is good enough, as trains do not rule my life, as there are other things to do in life too.

But for those who like the bandit meets, I understand.

Mike


From: Don Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York thoughts



Dear Nick,
That statement is so not true. I don't care about bandit meets.
Let the free market rule. I have always hoped that was not the reason
for the extra day. If it is true, it is very sad to make over 1000
table holders spend extra thousands of dollars for what I feel is not
a very good reason...
Don

On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Nick Kulp wrote:

> ....... The sellers that whined about the bandit shows killing sales
> are the same whiners that are complaining about the extra day.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61634 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: York what about the Challenger?
Hi all,
OK, enough about what days, etc. I heard that a pre-production Challenger would be there--did anyone see it & what does it look like?
Inquiring minds want to know--especially with a street price around $850!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61635 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York Rants & Comments
Did NOT see that in the ORANGE Hall at any time. Could have had go-kart
races in most of the aisles.

Jim " well, ya coulda" Lyle


In a message dated 10/20/2010 11:07:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Timboy@... writes:

it remains difficult to get around the overweight people with walkers,
canes and scooters in narrow isles.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61636 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: York what about the Challenger?
I did NOT see it or the U-Boat. Did see some freight cars on display
without trucks, guess they fell off in shipping.

Checked two days out of three, difficult to find anyone to tslk to, altho
there was a young man cleaning each day.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 10/20/2010 11:59:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
djdewey@... writes:

I heard that a pre-production Challenger would be there


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61637 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: SHS flatcars with loads...
We recently found some sold out standard flat cars with can sell
with our loads. If you are interested, you can see these items at:

http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html

Best regards,
Don
PS These are very limited...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61638 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Major additions to the American Flyer Displays website
I recently managed to obtain some old issues of The Gilbert News, the
employee newsletter published by the company which contained several
photos of both the construction of the 2nd floor layout at the Gilbert
Hall of Science and also a short article about the layout. In
addition to learning a lot about the layout itself, this also gave me a
better insight into the reasons for the 1953 revisions and more
information on the details of exactly what was changed. Now I need
information about the 1956-57 changes.

I made some changes to the website in order to share this new found
information with you, so you might want to revisit the site.
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org Check the "What's New" page for
details of where to go for the new stuff.

I am a firm believer in the saying that the more you learn, the more you
realize what you don't know. This new information has enabled me to
pose questions that I previously wouldn't have even known how to ask.
For this reason, I set up a page to pose these questions to all of the
visitors to the website called the "Solve The Mystery" page. See if
you can help with any of this. It is all accessible from the home
page: http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org

Also, there is an article in the November 2010 issue of Classic Toy
Trains about Ray Palumbo, one of the builders of the 2nd floor layout,
which contains some illustrations and other interesting information. It
is well worth reading.

Dale Smith
Group: S-Trains Message: 61639 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Washington County Railroad
http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf

http://www.wcrr.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M

I think many of you know by now, that Linda and I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.

One of our goals was to do some bike riding in Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.

We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a old blueberry warehouse with two permanent refrigerator train cars still attached.

We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both made up names. We rode in the copula of the caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.

However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this "garden" RR and did stop on the way back to Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace, the son of the man who made the miniature RR.

The first website is a newsletter about the passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.

the second website is about the RR.

The third is a video of the RR, as the building on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.

The track is all hand made, as George told us once a delivery truck ran over it!!!

George wants me to email him about American Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF, as he had real trains as a kid.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61640 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad
and he notes -

The B&ML RR was indeed a real railroad. Here is a
couple of links to it's history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_and_Moosehead_Lake_Railroad

http://cprr.org/Museum/BMLRR/index.html

Raleigh in Chilly Maine...
>
>
><http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf>http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf
>
>http://www.wcrr.org/
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M
>
>I think many of you know by now, that Linda and
>I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.
>
>One of our goals was to do some bike riding in
>Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.
>
>We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last
>year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a
>old blueberry warehouse with two permanent
>refrigerator train cars still attached.
>
>We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just
>wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic
>RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both
>made up names. We rode in the copula of the
>caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.
>
>However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this
>"garden" RR and did stop on the way back to
>Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace,
>the son of the man who made the miniature RR.
>
>The first website is a newsletter about the
>passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at
>U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.
>
>the second website is about the RR.
>
>The third is a video of the RR, as the building
>on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.
>
>The track is all hand made, as George told us
>once a delivery truck ran over it!!!
>
>George wants me to email him about American
>Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF,
>as he had real trains as a kid.
>
>Mike Marmer
>
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>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61641 From: Gale Hall Date: 10/20/2010
Subject: U33
And also the U33C was supposed to be a York too...Did anyone get a good look at it?

gale hall

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61642 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad
Thanks Rollain.

Mike


From: Rollain Mercier
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:49 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S Trains ; S Scale ; Toy Trains ; Steve Conard
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad



and he notes -

The B&ML RR was indeed a real railroad. Here is a
couple of links to it's history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_and_Moosehead_Lake_Railroad

http://cprr.org/Museum/BMLRR/index.html

Raleigh in Chilly Maine...
>
>
><http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf>http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf
>
>http://www.wcrr.org/
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M
>
>I think many of you know by now, that Linda and
>I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.
>
>One of our goals was to do some bike riding in
>Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.
>
>We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last
>year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a
>old blueberry warehouse with two permanent
>refrigerator train cars still attached.
>
>We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just
>wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic
>RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both
>made up names. We rode in the copula of the
>caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.
>
>However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this
>"garden" RR and did stop on the way back to
>Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace,
>the son of the man who made the miniature RR.
>
>The first website is a newsletter about the
>passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at
>U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.
>
>the second website is about the RR.
>
>The third is a video of the RR, as the building
>on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.
>
>The track is all hand made, as George told us
>once a delivery truck ran over it!!!
>
>George wants me to email him about American
>Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF,
>as he had real trains as a kid.
>
>Mike Marmer
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61643 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33
Dear Gale,
I thought it was odd that the big "L" made anyone who wanted to see
samples of their new offerings first check a list of times for the
viewing, go to another hall (Gold), then get tickets to be let in.
For us "S" vendors this was frustrating considering that you would
have to listen to the "O" offerings too. But, I forget who told me
that once the lecture was over one could get in as others were leaving
and at least look at the samples. I did this after the last viewing
on Saturday, but, I did not get very close. Both seemed to be
proportioned correctly (unlike the Big Boy). I will admit that I have
a pair of EL U33C on order and was curious. I did get to ask a few
questions regarding changing to code 110 wheels and installing KD
couplers. I do not think the person giving the talk was the project
manager as he was unsure about some answers. One thing that was of
concern was the gearbox when the U-boat was upside down. I saw a lot
of exposed gears. Again, this was a sample and not the final product.
Don



On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Gale Hall wrote:

> And also the U33C was supposed to be a York too...Did anyone get a
> good look at it?
>
> gale hall
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61644 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33C and Challenger
A few words on Lionel's new AF engines....

It was easy enough to just walk into Gold Hall, say 'hello', and a view the U33C and the 4-6-6-4 towards the end of the afternoons and skip the presentations. I had two opportunities to handle both, which were developmental pre-production pieces.

Lionel has managed to contain every Legacy feature in a small S scale package (Odyssey, interactive RS5, electrocouplers, diesel "smoke", directional lighting, etc.). The sample was decorated in the E-L scheme. Generally, the diesel is a handsome piece and seemingly a good overall model of a U-boat. The sample, however, is fitted with swinging pilots which might give some S gaugers pause. I suspect that the working version was configured this way so as to more easily accommodate the electrocouplers and Gilbert curves. The power truck (that Don mentioned) is a physically smaller version of what Lionel has been building for years in O. The shell details were very much 'there' but they could have been a bit sharper so they they visually "pop". Upon examination it appears that the engine does not necessarily have to be built with swinging pilots, so if this gives one pause I suggest that one write a concise, civil message to Lionel to that effect. On the positive side, the feature-laden U33C should be the most operationally fun diesel to run in all of S.

The L-AF Legacy Challenger is a scale sized piece with all new tooling. Although I did not have a ruler with me, the piece appears to be close to the correct length, height, etc. and it should clear accessory activation rails, and so forth. The locomotive is modeled with an enclosed weatherized cab rather than with an open one. Most of what was included on/in the Vision Line O gauge scale Challenger (also viewable in Gold Hall) was to be found in/on the smaller S gauge model. The final model locomotive is to have two motors (rather than the one stated in the catalog) with each driver assembly free to rotate so that the piece can negotiate Gilbert curves and turnouts (i.e., the configuration of the L-AF Big Boy and O gauge Lionmaster articulateds). My personal 'take away' is that the Challenger is a bit further along towards final development than the U33C. In short, the Challenger will have all of the fun of the Legacy Big Boy (which is bloody fun to run) contained within a much better model.

Say what you will, Lionel has certainly awakened to provide some interesting things in AF.

Bob Bubeck






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S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains
Messages In This Digest (16 Messages)

1a.
York Rants & Comments From: Timboy
1b.
Re: York Rants & Comments From: WJJIM@...

2a.
SOLD *** Re: [S-Trains] FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets From: Edward Sauers

3a.
Re: show thoughts..... From: gigeastman

4a.
Re: 751 log loader From: michael prell

5a.
Re: York thoughts From: Nick Kulp
5b.
Re: York thoughts From: Michael & Linda Marmer

6a.
York what about the Challenger? From: djdewey@...
6b.
Re: York what about the Challenger? From: WJJIM@...
6c.
Re: SHS flatcars with loads... From: Don Thompson

7.
Major additions to the American Flyer Displays website From: Dale Smith

8a.
Washington County Railroad From: Michael & Linda Marmer
8b.
Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad From: Rollain Mercier
8c.
Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad From: Michael & Linda Marmer

9a.
U33 From: Gale Hall
9b.
Re: U33 From: Don Thompson

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1a.

York Rants & Comments
Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@... timstrains2000
Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:29 am (PDT)


Guys:

Here are some of the good, bad and ugly - as I see it - at York (tongue firmly in cheek):

1)I believe that at least part of the original idea in extending the number of days that the dealer halls are open was to spread the crowds out a little. It doesn't work. There is still a huge crowd on Friday during "prime time" and it remains difficult to get around the overweight people with walkers, canes and scooters in narrow isles. Don't you just hate it when you find yourself in the middle of the "wrong" isle and you can't get out! The backpacks and the arms akimbo don't help as well.

2)It kills me to see sheets covering tables with the vendors absent. Sometimes I just want to uncover those tables for them and see what happens. Then I take a deep breath and think, "What would Barb do?". I sigh and try to get around #1) above.

3)It's always the same woman's voice over the loudspeaker admonishing us for daring to carry cellphones. OMG!

4)I always chuckle at seeing the old woman sitting around the perimeters of the insides of the halls on whatever chairs are there. They always look bored out of their skulls. LOL

Seriously, though. I LOVE the York experience - on my level - as a lone wolf. I see some of you guys there. I always keep my name tag tucked in because I don't want to interrupt my very private zone with superficial interactions. Boy, THAT sounds arrogant, doesn't it. It's just the way I enjoy York and to each our own. In all due humbleness, I am probably the friendliest, most courteous person there. I never pick up a piece without being invited to do so first. I never disrespect a vendor. I always point out the good things about a piece before I make an offer. The better vendors then show me the bad points of a piece. Then we deal. I always thank the vendor afterwards for being there and wish them a GREAT show. I always tip the restroom attendant $1 every time and thank them for being there. I always thank the food vendors for their wonderful food (it really is)and thank them for being there. I am always saddened to hear that same woman's voice over the loudspeaker admonishing someone for stealing something. Isn't it wonderful that there is now a red light at the entrance? I always wave an opposing car ahead of me when I'm right there.

There you have it!

OBTW, I haven't made much progress on my build. The cool weather has had me outside, working in the lawn and garden. However, you can see what I've done so far and follow along as the snow flies at:
http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy



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Re: York Rants & Comments
Posted by: "WJJIM@..." WJJIM@... wjjim2001
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:35 pm (PDT)


Did NOT see that in the ORANGE Hall at any time. Could have had go-kart
races in most of the aisles.

Jim " well, ya coulda" Lyle


In a message dated 10/20/2010 11:07:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Timboy@... writes:

it remains difficult to get around the overweight people with walkers,
canes and scooters in narrow isles.

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SOLD *** Re: [S-Trains] FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets
Posted by: "Edward Sauers" ehsauers1@... ehsauers1
Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:29 am (PDT)


SOLD

________________________________
From: EdSauers <ehsauers1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 10:52:03 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE -- SHS AF compatible Wheelsets and Couplers


Group,

I have 9 sets(36) of SHS 33" AF compatible Wheels and couplers (18) for Sale,
asking $45 shipped.

If interested contact Ed at edsauers@...

Thanks

Ed Sauers

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Re: show thoughts.....
Posted by: "gigeastman" gigeastman@... gigeastman
Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:29 am (PDT)


Here in SoCal a few years ago, a trend in garage sales started with them being held on Friday & Saturday. I'm a working stiff so by the time I show up on Saturday morning, I am left with a small selection of used clothes and ash trays. All the good stuff went Friday. I don't waste my time with them anymore. York has done the same to some of it's potential customers. It's still the biggest around though.

Steve "Papa" Eastman

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Re: 751 log loader
Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124
Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:29 am (PDT)




Mark,
Check with Doug Peck. doug@...
Good luck!
Mike Prell


Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

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From: Mark <m.edwards1963@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 751 log loader
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:11 PM



Hi
I just bought an American Flyet log loader on e-bat that needs repairs.Does anyone have a parts breakdown for this item and can anyone tell me if there are differnt models of the 751? Mine has a 2 button controler and a black plastic base witch is broken.Any help would be great

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Re: York thoughts
Posted by: "Nick Kulp" cornwall9@... cornwall9
Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:29 am (PDT)




Don,

My apologies if I offended anyone. That was not my intent. My statement was merely an observation of a small group I know and their opinion. The extra day only added more time to enjoy the show for me. Saturday never seemed to be worth the travel as a lot of members seemed anxious to pack up and go home. If the show was open all day, it might draw more buyers. I say this only as a buyer, not a seller. I too have sat hours at a table without seeing a customer hoping the clock hands would move faster. Driving to York for a half-day Saturday isn't that attractive to me.

I have the luxury of living within driving distance of York. If I was not local, I would probably have never become a TCA member. The TCA is a great organization and I enjoy the social aspect as well but I like operation more than collecting and the young people I introduce to the hobby appreciate working equipment instead of cosmetic beauty. We are always on the lookout for working equipment at the meets.

Either way, Two days, three or 1 1/2, I will come to York until I can no longer be there. It is an experience second to none.

Regards,
Nick Kulp

>>>>>
That statement is so not true. I don't care about bandit meets.
Let the free market rule. I have always hoped that was not the reason
for the extra day. If it is true, it is very sad to make over 1000
table holders spend extra thousands of dollars for what I feel is not
a very good reason...
>>>>>

We Live in the "Land of the Free", only because of the Brave.

God Bless our Soldiers, Especially our snipers.

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight,
he'll just kill you.

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Re: York thoughts
Posted by: "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:29 am (PDT)


I never went to York for the bandit meets as to me, the York show is good enough, as trains do not rule my life, as there are other things to do in life too.

But for those who like the bandit meets, I understand.

Mike

From: Don Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York thoughts

Dear Nick,
That statement is so not true. I don't care about bandit meets.
Let the free market rule. I have always hoped that was not the reason
for the extra day. If it is true, it is very sad to make over 1000
table holders spend extra thousands of dollars for what I feel is not
a very good reason...
Don

On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Nick Kulp wrote:

> ....... The sellers that whined about the bandit shows killing sales
> are the same whiners that are complaining about the extra day.

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York what about the Challenger?
Posted by: "djdewey@..." djdewey@... traindavid
Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:59 am (PDT)


Hi all,
OK, enough about what days, etc. I heard that a pre-production Challenger would be there--did anyone see it & what does it look like?
Inquiring minds want to know--especially with a street price around $850!
S'
David D.



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Re: York what about the Challenger?
Posted by: "WJJIM@..." WJJIM@... wjjim2001
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:36 pm (PDT)


I did NOT see it or the U-Boat. Did see some freight cars on display
without trucks, guess they fell off in shipping.

Checked two days out of three, difficult to find anyone to tslk to, altho
there was a young man cleaning each day.

Jim Lyle


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djdewey@... writes:

I heard that a pre-production Challenger would be there

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Re: SHS flatcars with loads...
Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:36 pm (PDT)


We recently found some sold out standard flat cars with can sell
with our loads. If you are interested, you can see these items at:

http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html

Best regards,
Don
PS These are very limited...



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Major additions to the American Flyer Displays website
Posted by: "Dale Smith" dfsmith26@... dfsmith26
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:36 pm (PDT)


I recently managed to obtain some old issues of The Gilbert News, the
employee newsletter published by the company which contained several
photos of both the construction of the 2nd floor layout at the Gilbert
Hall of Science and also a short article about the layout. In
addition to learning a lot about the layout itself, this also gave me a
better insight into the reasons for the 1953 revisions and more
information on the details of exactly what was changed. Now I need
information about the 1956-57 changes.

I made some changes to the website in order to share this new found
information with you, so you might want to revisit the site.
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org Check the "What's New" page for
details of where to go for the new stuff.

I am a firm believer in the saying that the more you learn, the more you
realize what you don't know. This new information has enabled me to
pose questions that I previously wouldn't have even known how to ask.
For this reason, I set up a page to pose these questions to all of the
visitors to the website called the "Solve The Mystery" page. See if
you can help with any of this. It is all accessible from the home
page: http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org

Also, there is an article in the November 2010 issue of Classic Toy
Trains about Ray Palumbo, one of the builders of the 2nd floor layout,
which contains some illustrations and other interesting information. It
is well worth reading.

Dale Smith



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Washington County Railroad
Posted by: "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:37 pm (PDT)


http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf

http://www.wcrr.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M

I think many of you know by now, that Linda and I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.

One of our goals was to do some bike riding in Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.

We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a old blueberry warehouse with two permanent refrigerator train cars still attached.

We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both made up names. We rode in the copula of the caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.

However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this "garden" RR and did stop on the way back to Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace, the son of the man who made the miniature RR.

The first website is a newsletter about the passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.

the second website is about the RR.

The third is a video of the RR, as the building on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.

The track is all hand made, as George told us once a delivery truck ran over it!!!

George wants me to email him about American Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF, as he had real trains as a kid.

Mike Marmer

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Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad
Posted by: "Rollain Mercier" raleigh15@... fishburn.geo
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:37 pm (PDT)


and he notes -

The B&ML RR was indeed a real railroad. Here is a
couple of links to it's history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_and_Moosehead_Lake_Railroad

http://cprr.org/Museum/BMLRR/index.html

Raleigh in Chilly Maine...
>
>
><http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf>http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf
>
>http://www.wcrr.org/
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M
>
>I think many of you know by now, that Linda and
>I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.
>
>One of our goals was to do some bike riding in
>Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.
>
>We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last
>year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a
>old blueberry warehouse with two permanent
>refrigerator train cars still attached.
>
>We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just
>wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic
>RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both
>made up names. We rode in the copula of the
>caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.
>
>However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this
>"garden" RR and did stop on the way back to
>Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace,
>the son of the man who made the miniature RR.
>
>The first website is a newsletter about the
>passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at
>U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.
>
>the second website is about the RR.
>
>The third is a video of the RR, as the building
>on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.
>
>The track is all hand made, as George told us
>once a delivery truck ran over it!!!
>
>George wants me to email him about American
>Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF,
>as he had real trains as a kid.
>
>Mike Marmer
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad
Posted by: "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:32 am (PDT)


Thanks Rollain.

Mike

From: Rollain Mercier
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:49 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S Trains ; S Scale ; Toy Trains ; Steve Conard
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Washington County Railroad

and he notes -

The B&ML RR was indeed a real railroad. Here is a
couple of links to it's history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_and_Moosehead_Lake_Railroad

http://cprr.org/Museum/BMLRR/index.html

Raleigh in Chilly Maine...
>
>
><http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf>http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf
>
>http://www.wcrr.org/
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M
>
>I think many of you know by now, that Linda and
>I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.
>
>One of our goals was to do some bike riding in
>Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.
>
>We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last
>year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a
>old blueberry warehouse with two permanent
>refrigerator train cars still attached.
>
>We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just
>wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic
>RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both
>made up names. We rode in the copula of the
>caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.
>
>However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this
>"garden" RR and did stop on the way back to
>Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace,
>the son of the man who made the miniature RR.
>
>The first website is a newsletter about the
>passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at
>U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.
>
>the second website is about the RR.
>
>The third is a video of the RR, as the building
>on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.
>
>The track is all hand made, as George told us
>once a delivery truck ran over it!!!
>
>George wants me to email him about American
>Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF,
>as he had real trains as a kid.
>
>Mike Marmer
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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U33
Posted by: "Gale Hall" frisco91@... frisco_333
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:38 pm (PDT)


And also the U33C was supposed to be a York too...Did anyone get a good look at it?

gale hall

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Re: U33
Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901
Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:33 am (PDT)


Dear Gale,
I thought it was odd that the big "L" made anyone who wanted to see
samples of their new offerings first check a list of times for the
viewing, go to another hall (Gold), then get tickets to be let in.
For us "S" vendors this was frustrating considering that you would
have to listen to the "O" offerings too. But, I forget who told me
that once the lecture was over one could get in as others were leaving
and at least look at the samples. I did this after the last viewing
on Saturday, but, I did not get very close. Both seemed to be
proportioned correctly (unlike the Big Boy). I will admit that I have
a pair of EL U33C on order and was curious. I did get to ask a few
questions regarding changing to code 110 wheels and installing KD
couplers. I do not think the person giving the talk was the project
manager as he was unsure about some answers. One thing that was of
concern was the gearbox when the U-boat was upside down. I saw a lot
of exposed gears. Again, this was a sample and not the final product.
Don

On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Gale Hall wrote:

> And also the U33C was supposed to be a York too...Did anyone get a
> good look at it?
>
> gale hall
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61645 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33C and Challenger
Thanks Bob for the very disappointing report.

Why disappointing? The Challenger is in my top 2 favorite locos and I
was quite happy not owning one in S-Scale. Now, your report and the work
of the folks at Lionel are forcing me to reconsider my blissful
ignorance and to start saving up some cash. I suppose I should be happy.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rbubeck327@...
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: U33C and Challenger



A few words on Lionel's new AF engines....

It was easy enough to just walk into Gold Hall, say 'hello', and a view
the U33C and the 4-6-6-4 towards the end of the afternoons and skip the
presentations. I had two opportunities to handle both, which were
developmental pre-production pieces.

Lionel has managed to contain every Legacy feature in a small S scale
package (Odyssey, interactive RS5, electrocouplers, diesel "smoke",
directional lighting, etc.). The sample was decorated in the E-L scheme.
Generally, the diesel is a handsome piece and seemingly a good overall
model of a U-boat. The sample, however, is fitted with swinging pilots
which might give some S gaugers pause. I suspect that the working
version was configured this way so as to more easily accommodate the
electrocouplers and Gilbert curves. The power truck (that Don mentioned)
is a physically smaller version of what Lionel has been building for
years in O. The shell details were very much 'there' but they could have
been a bit sharper so they they visually "pop". Upon examination it
appears that the engine does not necessarily have to be built with
swinging pilots, so if this gives one pause I suggest that one write a
concise, civil message to Lionel to that effect. On the positive side,
the feature-laden U33C should be the most operationally fun diesel to
run in all of S.

The L-AF Legacy Challenger is a scale sized piece with all new tooling.
Although I did not have a ruler with me, the piece appears to be close
to the correct length, height, etc. and it should clear accessory
activation rails, and so forth. The locomotive is modeled with an
enclosed weatherized cab rather than with an open one. Most of what was
included on/in the Vision Line O gauge scale Challenger (also viewable
in Gold Hall) was to be found in/on the smaller S gauge model. The final
model locomotive is to have two motors (rather than the one stated in
the catalog) with each driver assembly free to rotate so that the piece
can negotiate Gilbert curves and turnouts (i.e., the configuration of
the L-AF Big Boy and O gauge Lionmaster articulateds). My personal 'take
away' is that the Challenger is a bit further along towards final
development than the U33C. In short, the Challenger will have all of the
fun of the Legacy Big Boy (which is bloody fun to run) contained within
a much better model.

Say what you will, Lionel has certainly awakened to provide some
interesting things in AF.

Bob Bubeck
Group: S-Trains Message: 61646 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Hi Doug Peckmay have the parts, I think Doug also has a web site with all the part numbers and some sketches. I f he dosn't have it you might want to also try Ron Leventon Hobby Supply phone # 360-748-3643 or e mail him at leventon@myhome. net good luck Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 751 log loader



Hi
I just bought an American Flyet log loader on e-bat that needs repairs.Does anyone have a parts breakdown for this item and can anyone tell me if there are differnt models of the 751? Mine has a 2 button controler and a black plastic base witch is broken.Any help would be great





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61647 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: More Train Show thoughts.....
The York discussion has brought up something that I have never quite understood. Being around many different kinds of events, almost all of which are built around weekends because it maximized attendance, I have never understood the thinking of doing Friday/Saturday events.
There ARE those events too big to be held to just two days (some Car Shows quickly come to my mind) and they rightfully expand INTO Friday, then Thursday, and a few events have even grown into Wednesday.
One of the reasons I have heard over the years for Friday/Saturday was that if you go to an event Saturday/Sunday, you have to take Friday and Monday off from work for travel or set up. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you go to a show requiring those extra two days, don't you spend them both anyway? You're traveling and setting up Thursday and doing one show day Friday after all, with Saturday and Sunday still being the weekend.
And while unemployment is at a high unseen since the Great Depression, there are STILL people who work a six day week in this country. Why are York and some other Train Shows NOT using the basic Saturday/Sunday format while most other hobby or sport events STAY on the weekend?
As far as excluding the general public, this sort of elitism will eventually be buried by economic factors because the vendors need the money, and there is no "show" without them. If you see any empty aisles or tables at an event as big as York, the handwriting is already on the wall for TCA AND other shows.
Stumpy Stone...just my "down home" thoughts from Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61648 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: U33C and Challenger
THANKS BOB FOR THE UPDATE..... I have already ordered the Challenger.... Wonder how many years before I get it!!!!!! Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:


From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: U33C and Challenger
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:31 PM


 



Thanks Bob for the very disappointing report.

Why disappointing? The Challenger is in my top 2 favorite locos and I
was quite happy not owning one in S-Scale. Now, your report and the work
of the folks at Lionel are forcing me to reconsider my blissful
ignorance and to start saving up some cash. I suppose I should be happy.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rbubeck327@...
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: U33C and Challenger

A few words on Lionel's new AF engines....

It was easy enough to just walk into Gold Hall, say 'hello', and a view
the U33C and the 4-6-6-4 towards the end of the afternoons and skip the
presentations. I had two opportunities to handle both, which were
developmental pre-production pieces.

Lionel has managed to contain every Legacy feature in a small S scale
package (Odyssey, interactive RS5, electrocouplers, diesel "smoke",
directional lighting, etc.). The sample was decorated in the E-L scheme.
Generally, the diesel is a handsome piece and seemingly a good overall
model of a U-boat. The sample, however, is fitted with swinging pilots
which might give some S gaugers pause. I suspect that the working
version was configured this way so as to more easily accommodate the
electrocouplers and Gilbert curves. The power truck (that Don mentioned)
is a physically smaller version of what Lionel has been building for
years in O. The shell details were very much 'there' but they could have
been a bit sharper so they they visually "pop". Upon examination it
appears that the engine does not necessarily have to be built with
swinging pilots, so if this gives one pause I suggest that one write a
concise, civil message to Lionel to that effect. On the positive side,
the feature-laden U33C should be the most operationally fun diesel to
run in all of S.

The L-AF Legacy Challenger is a scale sized piece with all new tooling.
Although I did not have a ruler with me, the piece appears to be close
to the correct length, height, etc. and it should clear accessory
activation rails, and so forth. The locomotive is modeled with an
enclosed weatherized cab rather than with an open one. Most of what was
included on/in the Vision Line O gauge scale Challenger (also viewable
in Gold Hall) was to be found in/on the smaller S gauge model. The final
model locomotive is to have two motors (rather than the one stated in
the catalog) with each driver assembly free to rotate so that the piece
can negotiate Gilbert curves and turnouts (i.e., the configuration of
the L-AF Big Boy and O gauge Lionmaster articulateds). My personal 'take
away' is that the Challenger is a bit further along towards final
development than the U33C. In short, the Challenger will have all of the
fun of the Legacy Big Boy (which is bloody fun to run) contained within
a much better model.

Say what you will, Lionel has certainly awakened to provide some
interesting things in AF.

Bob Bubeck








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61649 From: The Reardon's Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Washington County Railroad
Hi Mike,

Just some information regarding your trip:

The Belfast and Moosehead lake Railroad was a real short line railroad. The name is not fictitious. Belfast was once a very busy seaport and a hub for poultry processing. In fact, when I was a boy, we would attend the "Broiler Festival" on a weekend during the summer at Belfast. So, the railroad had plenty of revenue freight because of grain and processed chickens.

The Moosehead Lake part of the name was a kinda optimistic vision on the original builders mind. But, alas, Maine Central wouldn't allow the B&ML to cross their mainline at Burnham, so the railroad ended there, and not on to Moosehed Lake. Moosehead Lake was, back then, a significant tourist mecca, complete with large inns for the wealthy. There was even a steamboat to deliver guests from the train at Greenville Junction to the various destinations on the lake. With Belfast as a seaport and steamer access from the Boston and New York ports, the Belfast to Moosehead Lake railroad maybe wasn't such a far fetched pipe dream.
If the B&ML railroad had extended to Moosehead Lake (presumably Greenville Junction), they would have interchanged with Maine Central, Bangor & Aroostock, and Canadian National. With the seaport, that would have created some serious railroading. In any event, only Maine Central became it's link to the world and I suspect your trip had the train turned on the wye that was part of "Burnham Junction".

Pat, in Maine

PS- I'm heading for Washington County tommorrow to work up firewood for the season at camp.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael & Linda Marmer
To: S Trains ; S Scale ; Toy Trains ; Steve Conard
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Washington County Railroad



http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf

http://www.wcrr.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M

I think many of you know by now, that Linda and I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.

One of our goals was to do some bike riding in Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.

We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a old blueberry warehouse with two permanent refrigerator train cars still attached.

We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both made up names. We rode in the copula of the caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.

However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this "garden" RR and did stop on the way back to Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace, the son of the man who made the miniature RR.

The first website is a newsletter about the passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.

the second website is about the RR.

The third is a video of the RR, as the building on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.

The track is all hand made, as George told us once a delivery truck ran over it!!!

George wants me to email him about American Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF, as he had real trains as a kid.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61650 From: robert hendrickson Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Washington County Railroad
Very cool Mike, thanks for sharing.
 
Bob


--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Washington County Railroad
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:13 PM


 



http://calslivesteam.org/whistle_pdf/cals2009/cals200901e.pdf

http://www.wcrr.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S9bxT_u6M

I think many of you know by now, that Linda and I just back home from our annual trip to Acadia National Park.

One of our goals was to do some bike riding in Machais, Maine, but however, we did not since it was a bit rainy.

We did ride that part of the Sunrise trail, last year, as it is 82 miles long. We came across a old blueberry warehouse with two permanent refrigerator train cars still attached.

We did ride the trail in Ellsworth, just wonderful, as we did ride on the Downeast Scenic RR and the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR, both made up names. We rode in the copula of the caboose with working pot belly store on the Belfast ride.

However, on the way up on US 1, we saw this "garden" RR and did stop on the way back to Acadia to get pictures, as we met George Brace, the son of the man who made the miniature RR.

The first website is a newsletter about the passing of his Dad, who was a math professor at U of MD and made the live steam RR that runs in Baltimore.

the second website is about the RR.

The third is a video of the RR, as the building on the RR houses his pet sheep. The bench says Beltsville for Beltsville MD.

The track is all hand made, as George told us once a delivery truck ran over it!!!

George wants me to email him about American Flyer, as he is not familiar with Lionel and AF, as he had real trains as a kid.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61651 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Video
A neat video of a very nice layout..

http://www.youtube.com/user/Aschlegel69



Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61652 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
The entire premise is "tradition". I believe I related a conversation
with "old timers" some shows ago when I had the AUDACITY to suggest opening to
the public on Saturday (DEALER halls ONLY). The "alpha female" in the
group started to scream, rant and rave about the "tradition" of York. I
looked for a "tradition" pump on my way out to fuel my Chevy to get home, ran
home on fumes. Their tradition does nothing for most of us with bills to
pay, many of whom will not be participating in a while. I cut my losses by
120 dollars this show---FOUR FEWER tables, about the same intake. Be one
less in the spring.
Simple economics. Without the tables, NO reason to spend 3 days there
either.
On a brighter note: West Manchester Twp charges dealers a "Table Tax" and a
"percentage of gross" tax. These are "Painless Taxes" because the resident
taxpayers don't have to pay them. I found out it cost them $12 to process
each tax bill paid, bet they are losing money on many of the bills they
process ( can only hope).
Jim Lyle


In a message dated 10/21/2010 2:49:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:

Why are York and some other Train Shows NOT using the basic
Saturday/Sunday format while most other hobby or sport events STAY on the weekend?
As far as excluding the general public, this sort of elitism will
eventually be buried by economic factors because the vendors need the money, and
there is no "show" without them. If you see any empty aisles or tables at an
event as big as York, the handwriting is already on the wall for TCA AND
other shows


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61653 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Stumpy..... I was told many moons ago that the Sunday was out due to Religious reasons... Personally I liked the old way... Friday and Saturday.... They only did it to try to kill the Bandits..... SO Now I just leave a day earlier!!!!!!! BUT GOT TO BE THERE FOR THE BANDITS!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More Train Show thoughts.....
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 1:50 PM


 



The York discussion has brought up something that I have never quite understood. Being around many different kinds of events, almost all of which are built around weekends because it maximized attendance, I have never understood the thinking of doing Friday/Saturday events.
There ARE those events too big to be held to just two days (some Car Shows quickly come to my mind) and they rightfully expand INTO Friday, then Thursday, and a few events have even grown into Wednesday.
One of the reasons I have heard over the years for Friday/Saturday was that if you go to an event Saturday/Sunday, you have to take Friday and Monday off from work for travel or set up. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you go to a show requiring those extra two days, don't you spend them both anyway? You're traveling and setting up Thursday and doing one show day Friday after all, with Saturday and Sunday still being the weekend.
And while unemployment is at a high unseen since the Great Depression, there are STILL people who work a six day week in this country. Why are York and some other Train Shows NOT using the basic Saturday/Sunday format while most other hobby or sport events STAY on the weekend?
As far as excluding the general public, this sort of elitism will eventually be buried by economic factors because the vendors need the money, and there is no "show" without them. If you see any empty aisles or tables at an event as big as York, the handwriting is already on the wall for TCA AND other shows.
Stumpy Stone...just my "down home" thoughts from Appalachia.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61654 From: acgilbertguy Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
From what I have read on this board about the York train show, it seems like neither dealers or buyers like the three-day schedule at the fairgrounds. If we are a good sampling of all those that attend this event, why hasn't the TCA Eastern Division realized this and changed it back to the Friday-Saturday schedule? Rich

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> Stumpy..... I was told many moons ago that the Sunday was out due to Religious reasons... Personally I liked the old way... Friday and Saturday.... They only did it to try to kill the Bandits..... SO Now I just leave a day earlier!!!!!!! BUT GOT TO BE THERE FOR THE BANDITS!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61655 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Very interesting layout, especially the way he made the parallel curves
by mixing 54 inch radius with standard 40 inch radius Flyer track to
create 4 different radii of curves. I checked it out on RRTrack and it
makes curves of 20 inch, approximately 22 inch, approximately 24 inch,
and 27 inch radius. Neat idea.

Dale

On 10/21/2010 4:36 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
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> A neat video of a very nice layout..
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> http://www.youtube.com/user/Aschlegel69
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> Brady Burdge
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61656 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Hi Stan,
I have parts for the 751 Logo Loader.  There is no exploded view of this accessory and all of the original part numbers.  The numbers began in 1946. Logs, Roof and the XA9219 Crane Hook are the easiest to get.
� Tom Seccia
� Triple "S" Supplies

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote:

From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 log loader
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 2:33 PM







 









Hi Doug Peckmay have the parts, I think Doug also has a web site with all the part numbers and some sketches. I f he dosn't have it you might want to also try Ron Leventon Hobby Supply phone # 360-748-3643 or e mail him at leventon@myhome. net good luck Stan

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:11 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] 751 log loader



Hi

I just bought an American Flyet log loader on e-bat that needs repairs.Does anyone have a parts breakdown for this item and can anyone tell me if there are differnt models of the 751? Mine has a 2 button controler and a black plastic base witch is broken.Any help would be great



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61657 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Dear Bob,
I asked a minister who took me to my first York in the early 70s
why not Sunday like ALL other two day meets and he told me the same
thing.
Don

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Robert Conner wrote:

> Stumpy..... I was told many moons ago that the Sunday was out due to
> Religious reasons...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61658 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
I think for those who do not like the 3 day York, as for me, I only go on Friday and Saturday, myself, you have to email the division and let them know.

Saying that they know wont get it changed, if at all.

Mike

From: acgilbertguy
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More Train Show thoughts.....




From what I have read on this board about the York train show, it seems like neither dealers or buyers like the three-day schedule at the fairgrounds. If we are a good sampling of all those that attend this event, why hasn't the TCA Eastern Division realized this and changed it back to the Friday-Saturday schedule? Rich

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> Stumpy..... I was told many moons ago that the Sunday was out due to Religious reasons... Personally I liked the old way... Friday and Saturday.... They only did it to try to kill the Bandits..... SO Now I just leave a day earlier!!!!!!! BUT GOT TO BE THERE FOR THE BANDITS!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61659 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Nice layout. It has the "look" of the Gilbert Hall of Science 2nd floor
layout!! Looks like it might be located in Michigan (where I live) due
to the map on the wall. Hey Aaron, can I bring my trains over to run on
your layout??? ;-)





On 10/21/2010 9:25 PM, Dale Smith wrote:
>
> Very interesting layout, especially the way he made the parallel curves
> by mixing 54 inch radius with standard 40 inch radius Flyer track to
> create 4 different radii of curves. I checked it out on RRTrack and it
> makes curves of 20 inch, approximately 22 inch, approximately 24 inch,
> and 27 inch radius. Neat idea.
>
> Dale
>
> On 10/21/2010 4:36 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> >
> > A neat video of a very nice layout..
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61660 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/21/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
I only had time to buy at the bandits--work my table alone, neighbors were
willing to watch for short periods of time, as I also watched theirs. , NOT
fair to ask them to sell MY stuff. Never left the Orange Hall, altho the
"members" can come to the Dealer Halls Thursdays & Fridays til 7 PM.
The Beat goes On

Jim "movin' on to Allentown" Lyle


In a message dated 10/21/2010 8:12:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rcon7@... writes:

BUT GOT TO BE THERE FOR THE BANDITS!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61661 From: acgilbertguy Date: 10/22/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Brady, In the video there appears to be two plastic Atlantics running together. Any idea on how a coupler was attached to the front of the second Atlantic? Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> A neat video of a very nice layout..
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/Aschlegel69
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61662 From: Brady Date: 10/22/2010
Subject: Re: Video
<< Very interesting layout, especially the way he made the parallel curves by mixing 54 inch radius with standard 40 inch radius Flyer track to create 4 different radii of curves. I checked it out on RRTrack and it makes curves of 20 inch, approximately 22 inch, approximately 24 inch, and 27 inch radius. Neat idea. >>

Dale

I'm my O gauge days I remember a couple of articles on easements - placing wider tracks on the entry and exit of a curve and the sharper curves in the middle.

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61663 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: S Fest
Hi,
I hope everyone who went is having a great time. After planning all year to go, medical bills took too much of my money and I couldn't justify the trip this year.
 
Jim, (jfred)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61664 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Utah Phillips
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Phillips

Being in Maine reminded me of Utah Phillips as he used to have a show syndicated, Loafer’s Glory which was played on WERU in Maine.

A great show.

Utah was a train hopper was you can read about it above, as he did serve in the Military in in the 1950s.

He past away in 2007. He was well known in the folk music world, as we saw him once. A character.

http://loafersglory.org/

There is 28 shows on this website, as Tramping starts out with a poem. It is show number 6, as there is another show about Tramping on this site. RR music in the background, as this show is about Hobos and RRs. Allot of history about labor in the RR. Allot of old RR songs and the hard times.

He has a show on baseball.

Utah is very well spoken.

I think some of you will enjoy his shows, especially the Tramping shows and the RRs.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61665 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: Video
He did it that way for one of the parallel tracks, but he also did it
the other way, with the wide radius in the middle for a slightly tighter
curve. Maybe not good in theory, but it gets the job done with what we
have to work with. Unless, of course, we want to rebend continuous
rail like the old layout builders did, but where would we get the
continuous rail?

Dale

On 10/22/2010 2:21 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> << Very interesting layout, especially the way he made the parallel
> curves by mixing 54 inch radius with standard 40 inch radius Flyer
> track to create 4 different radii of curves. I checked it out on
> RRTrack and it makes curves of 20 inch, approximately 22 inch,
> approximately 24 inch, and 27 inch radius. Neat idea. >>
>
> Dale
>
> I'm my O gauge days I remember a couple of articles on easements -
> placing wider tracks on the entry and exit of a curve and the sharper
> curves in the middle.
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61666 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: A.F
I have solved the problem of double heading A.F locos , check out
the diagram. + if you want larger radius, just bend an original Flyer
to the desired radius, I use 24" for parallel tracks and a 18" for my
Christmas display

Jerry HR 77-11644
____________________________________________________________
Globe Life Insurance
$1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cc2f47c37ac44371cm06duc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61667 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
First question - What diagram? (probably deleted by Yahoo-maybe you can
post to photos)

Second question - Can you give us a few more details on how you rebend
track? Do you use jigs for each desired radius? What are they made of?

Dale

On 10/23/2010 7:40 AM, gerald r dobbs wrote:
>
>
> I have solved the problem of double heading A.F locos , check out
> the diagram. + if you want larger radius, just bend an original Flyer
> to the desired radius, I use 24" for parallel tracks and a 18" for my
> Christmas display
>
> Jerry HR 77-11644
> __________________________________________________________
> Globe Life Insurance
> $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cc2f47c37ac44371cm06duc
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61668 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Whatever - I think itsgreat. Alistair
On Sat 23/10/10 8:49 AM , Dale Smith dfsmith26@... sent:
He did it that way for one of the parallel tracks, but he also did
it
the other way, with the wide radius in the middle for a slightly
tighter
curve. Maybe not good in theory, but it gets the job done with what
we
have to work with. Unless, of course, we want to rebend continuous
rail like the old layout builders did, but where would we get the
continuous rail?
Dale
On 10/22/2010 2:21 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> curves by mixing 54 inch radius with standard 40 inch radius
Flyer
> track to create 4 different radii of curves. I checked it out on
> RRTrack and it makes curves of 20 inch, approximately 22 inch,
> approximately 24 inch, and 27 inch radius. Neat idea. >>
>
> Dale
>
> I'm my O gauge days I remember a couple of articles on easements -

> placing wider tracks on the entry and exit of a curve and the
sharper
> curves in the middle.
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61669 From: Timboy Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Question about track bending? This may interest you.

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-i-hand-lay-track.html

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
>
> First question - What diagram? (probably deleted by Yahoo-maybe you can
> post to photos)
>
> Second question - Can you give us a few more details on how you rebend
> track? Do you use jigs for each desired radius? What are they made of?
>
> Dale
>
> On 10/23/2010 7:40 AM, gerald r dobbs wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have solved the problem of double heading A.F locos , check out
> > the diagram. + if you want larger radius, just bend an original Flyer
> > to the desired radius, I use 24" for parallel tracks and a 18" for my
> > Christmas display
> >
> > Jerry HR 77-11644
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Globe Life Insurance
> > $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam.
> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cc2f47c37ac44371cm06duc
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61670 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/23/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Very nice work and photos to match.

Thanks Timboy,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:05 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A.F


Question about track bending? This may interest you.

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-i-hand-lay-tra
ck.html

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61671 From: sgaugian Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: AF 48808 PFE Reefer question
What color should the roof on this car be? I have one that is light gray. Is that correct? Or should it be silver? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61672 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Gremlins Attack
Hi All.

The gremlins invaded my layout and cut all power to my two inner loops. I got on the floor and crawled under the layout, checked for shorts and could not find any. I then started disconnecting power leads at each powered track secton and did not find any problems. Once I had disconnected everything and tried every trick I know, I decided to just hook it all back up and try again some other time. So after a couple of hours troubleshooting and a couple more reassembling everything just the way it was to begin with - it works just fine now! No gremlins were found or harmed!?!?!?!??!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 61673 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: AF 48808 PFE Reefer question
Hi sgaugian.  My AF 48808 PFE Reefer is the color gray on the roof.  Gray is
correct.

Bob
www.americanflyertrains4u.com




________________________________
From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 9:51:09 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 48808 PFE Reefer question

 
What color should the roof on this car be? I have one that is light gray. Is
that correct? Or should it be silver? Thanks.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61674 From: Iron Horse Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: :"S" on TV
Did you know 's' was on TV this summer ?
Af Gilbert yet. I do what I can to promote 's'.

Roger Hinds

Swing and
sway the
s gauge way.

Ironhorse
Group: S-Trains Message: 61675 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Gremlins Attack!
It a night of the full moon, not many days until Halloween. A model railroader started up his train layout, but it soon began to malfunction. As he spent hours troubleshooting the electricals, from time to time he was sure that he heard a small chuckle from somewhere close by.
Time and again, he would look around, but there was no one to be seen. So he returned to his frustrating work, only to hear the soft laughter from close by once more.
After hours of laborius struggle, he started the trains again, and everything worked fine! There was uproarious laughter coming from a nearby closet, so leaving the trains to run, the hobbyist slipped over to the closet and whipped open the door!
There, in the dimness of the closet was a small humanoid creature with craggy skin and a huge toothy grin!
"Gotcha!" the little fellow said, snapped his fingers, and vanished with a faint puff of smoke! A small piece of paper fluttered to the floor as the smoke vanished. The hobbyist bent down, still somewhat in shock, and picked it up.
Outside the fallen leaves crackled in a slight breeze and the clouds partially obscured the fullness of the moon. Perhaps a wolf called out in the distance.
The model train hobbyist looked down at the piece of paper left behind by the little creature. It was a business card with the logo "Gremlins Incorporated." Other than that all it said was...Happy Halloween!
Stumpy Stone...in the wilds of Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61676 From: Don Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: Gremlins Attack
Sounds as if the "re-boot" was succcessful!
Don Birdey

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All.
>
> The gremlins invaded my layout and cut all power to my two inner loops. I got on the floor and crawled under the layout, checked for shorts and could not find any. I then started disconnecting power leads at each powered track secton and did not find any problems. Once I had disconnected everything and tried every trick I know, I decided to just hook it all back up and try again some other time. So after a couple of hours troubleshooting and a couple more reassembling everything just the way it was to begin with - it works just fine now! No gremlins were found or harmed!?!?!?!??!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61677 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Loops Are Running
Hi Folks,

It has been a while since I made progress on my layout. Today, I
installed the final track in the two S-Gauge loops and got them running!

There are still more tracks to get into operation including a reverse
loop and the ferry service. I am making a determined press to get all of
the track running by the end of October. I'll post some pix or vids when
I do.

Man, this has taken a while what with all of the interruptions.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 61678 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/24/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Date:   Sunday October 24, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61679 From: sgaugian Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: AF 48808 PFE Reefer question
Thanks Bob. It almost looks like primer. I asked a seller on ebay with one presently for auction and they responded silver which made me wonder about mine. Thanks for confirming gray is correct.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61680 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: :"S" on TV
Is there something more you would like to tell us about this? :-)

Dale

On 10/24/2010 1:36 PM, Iron Horse wrote:
>
> Did you know 's' was on TV this summer ?
> Af Gilbert yet. I do what I can to promote 's'.
>
> Roger Hinds
>
> Swing and
> sway the
> s gauge way.
>
> Ironhorse
>
>
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>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61681 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Railroad Construction Company
While on today’s bike ride, I saw a truck from this company.

They build real RRs as they do work on toll plaza’s like the NJ Turnpike and highways.

Mike Marmer

http://www.railroadconstruction.com/about-usrcc-family-companies

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61682 From: clayton deich Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
 Did you ever think of making a set of rollers to re - roll the track?  It could be the same way it was done at Gilbert when the track was made.
 Clayton  Milwaukie Oregon

--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:

From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A.F
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 3:04 PM
















 









Question about track bending? This may interest you.



http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-i-hand-lay-track.html



Regards,

Timboy



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote:

>

> First question - What diagram? (probably deleted by Yahoo-maybe you can

> post to photos)

>

> Second question - Can you give us a few more details on how you rebend

> track? Do you use jigs for each desired radius? What are they made of?

>

> Dale

>

> On 10/23/2010 7:40 AM, gerald r dobbs wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have solved the problem of double heading A.F locos , check out

> > the diagram. + if you want larger radius, just bend an original Flyer

> > to the desired radius, I use 24" for parallel tracks and a 18" for my

> > Christmas display

> >

> > Jerry HR 77-11644

> > __________________________________________________________

> > Globe Life Insurance

> > $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam.

> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cc2f47c37ac44371cm06duc

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61683 From: Timboy Date: 10/24/2010
Subject: Re: A.F
Hi,

I believe others have done it. If I was in the business of doing this commercially, then yes I would invent a jig. However, what I am doing is solely for entertainment purposes. That said, it's all good. So, spending my time doing what I do by hand serves the purpose of it being time-consuming in an engaging way and yet it's steadily productive to progress my hobby at the same time. I don't know if that makes any kind of sense to anyone other than me. LOL Now that I think about it, I suddenly realize that doing this sort of thing by hand is a speed bump that keeps me from throwing huge gobs of money at my layout to get it done quickly. By slowing down the process and spending time in the moment, I savor the process and keep the budget-conscious wife happy at the same time! I'm suddenly conscious that I have been subconsciously looking for ways to make every step in the process of building this layout drawn-out, if you will, even though I outwardly carp at taking too long on a given task and lament at the seemingly endless amount of time it will take to get it all running. Whew! Sorry you asked? Yikes! LOL So, to make a long story endless, I guess the short answer is, "No". LOL

Regards,
Timboy



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:
>
>  Did you ever think of making a set of rollers to re - roll the track?  It could be the same way it was done at Gilbert when the track was made.
>  Clayton  Milwaukie Oregon
>
> --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A.F
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 3:04 PM
>
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> Question about track bending? This may interest you.
>
>
>
> http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-i-hand-lay-track.html
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > First question - What diagram? (probably deleted by Yahoo-maybe you can
>
> > post to photos)
>
> >
>
> > Second question - Can you give us a few more details on how you rebend
>
> > track? Do you use jigs for each desired radius? What are they made of?
>
> >
>
> > Dale
>
> >
>
> > On 10/23/2010 7:40 AM, gerald r dobbs wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > I have solved the problem of double heading A.F locos , check out
>
> > > the diagram. + if you want larger radius, just bend an original Flyer
>
> > > to the desired radius, I use 24" for parallel tracks and a 18" for my
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61684 From: race944t Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
I have yet to weigh in on the semi-annual "after York dialogue" but guess it's time for my 1 cent worth.

I'll make this a brief as possible and still get my OPINION across.

In an attempt to follow an old Economics professor who said "You can't do business out of an empty wagon." I got two extra tables this time. Mistake #1. I only did about 25% of my usual sales. Jim, I don't know which hall you are in, but I'm going to follow your lead and won't pick up the extra tables again. This was the first ever York where I lost money. Is it a sign of the economy, the reverse economics of increasing supply and decreasing demand, a fluke event for me, I'll never know. I'm sure there is a combination of factors most of which I may not have even considered.

What I do know is that it is painfully obvious they don't need the arrows on the floor like they used to years ago. That speaks to the demand side. Even if you took Thursday's crowd and put it in on Friday, it just wouldn't be like the "good ole days."

It just can't be denied that the average age of the operator/collector is getting older. More collections are coming on the market every day. That speaks to the supply side.

With decreasing demand and increasing supply is it any wonder things are as they are? Tradition only works for those old enough to remember it. All closed societies, or closed anything for that matter, eventually fail. Why do you think computer programming has gone to open architecture?

I have not researched Pennsylvania tax law, but if they require sales tax to be paid on used items if open to the public, maybe E. Div TCA should consider the drastic step of moving the event to a tax friendly state where the public can be invited without individual members having to pay sales tax. Virginia comes to mind. Maybe PA residents should contact their representatives and remind them how much tourism dollars will be lost if events such as this move.

We must expand our ranks, even National knows this. But, what reason does E. Div TCA have for moving or helping? I read their most recent board minutes and it seems they are concerned that they have too much money in the treasury and are worried about the their tax exempt status. They are considering giving some more to Nationl but that won't fix the problem of declining membership due to aging.

Don't get me wrong, it's not E. Div TCA's sole responsibility to fix the declining membership but they could help by opening their eyes and their halls to new blood.

As full disclosure, I'm a member of SE Div TCA and we open our division events to the public. We see a lot of kids and one of the best suggestions I ever got was from Joe Haenn who suggested I start making starter sets for kids. So I take 300's 302's 307's, etc add 3 cars, a caboose, a transformer, a manual uncoupler, an oval of track, a lock-on and some wire and sell it for $99 complete. I spend a lot of time making sure the engines are in perfect running order, the track is clean and everything works so kids can get excited about their trains. These are the future TCA members.

I encourage all of you to get a child involved, I encourage E. Div TCA and all other divisions to open up to the public. End of soapbox!

"Banker" Bill Clark


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> The entire premise is "tradition". I believe I related a conversation
> with "old timers" some shows ago when I had the AUDACITY to suggest opening to
> the public on Saturday (DEALER halls ONLY). The "alpha female" in the
> group started to scream, rant and rave about the "tradition" of York. I
> looked for a "tradition" pump on my way out to fuel my Chevy to get home, ran
> home on fumes. Their tradition does nothing for most of us with bills to
> pay, many of whom will not be participating in a while. I cut my losses by
> 120 dollars this show---FOUR FEWER tables, about the same intake. Be one
> less in the spring.
> Simple economics. Without the tables, NO reason to spend 3 days there
> either.
> On a brighter note: West Manchester Twp charges dealers a "Table Tax" and a
> "percentage of gross" tax. These are "Painless Taxes" because the resident
> taxpayers don't have to pay them. I found out it cost them $12 to process
> each tax bill paid, bet they are losing money on many of the bills they
> process ( can only hope).
> Jim Lyle
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61685 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Bending rail to larger or smaller radius
Several years ago I purchased a " ADJUSTABLE RAIL BENDER " made
by Tru-Scale products Inc.. San Dimas Calf ( Aurora Plastics Corp. )
Remove the rail from the ties, I draw a templet on paper then
bend the rail to match. I made a die to re crimp the rail to the tie.
It work well

Jerry HR77-11644
____________________________________________________________
Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance
If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61686 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: AF
Many years ago, when I was into garden railroading, there was an outfit that made roller type rail benders for G scale code 332 rail. They were expensive, and I didn't really need it, so I never bought one.
The bender was based on a hardened steel plate with three machined rollers in a triangular pattern, one of which was on a slide. You slipped the rail into the rollers, tightened the slideing roller and ran the rail back and forth, tightening the roller up as you went. This allowed you to bend curvature into the rail without kinking it for hand laying track.
It appeared to be a simple device and was probably over built because G scale rail was so large and strong. Later, when I got into On30, I ran across a similar bender for HO rail, so I know these type rail benders are still being made somewhere.
I have never seen such a device for S gauge tinplate rail, but it would seem that one could be built to allow you to accurately rebend rail to wider curves. One of the keys to the design would be the rollers being machined to the correct rail profile to allow the bending process without distorting the rail.
Perhaps someone out there will chime in on this and tell us if there is such a bender which might be adapted to AF rail?
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 61687 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
I think all the comments written here about York are great, but you all need to contact the Eastern Division if you would like to see any changes.

Writing here is great, but the leadership of the Eastern Division is not on this list, so they do not know your feelings about it. Oh, sure, they might have a idea what is going on, but they need to read it.

I have no issues with the York show, since I go on Friday and only stay one night.

But any vendor who has issues with the 3 night format, you need to let them know. And maybe not going next year, AFTER you have written them, might be a way of showing them you are not happy with the format.

Again, I feel for the vendors who have taken on added expense with no additional sales.

Mike Marmer

From: race944t
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:09 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More Train Show thoughts.....


I have yet to weigh in on the semi-annual "after York dialogue" but guess it's time for my 1 cent worth.

I'll make this a brief as possible and still get my OPINION across.

In an attempt to follow an old Economics professor who said "You can't do business out of an empty wagon." I got two extra tables this time. Mistake #1. I only did about 25% of my usual sales. Jim, I don't know which hall you are in, but I'm going to follow your lead and won't pick up the extra tables again. This was the first ever York where I lost money. Is it a sign of the economy, the reverse economics of increasing supply and decreasing demand, a fluke event for me, I'll never know. I'm sure there is a combination of factors most of which I may not have even considered.

What I do know is that it is painfully obvious they don't need the arrows on the floor like they used to years ago. That speaks to the demand side. Even if you took Thursday's crowd and put it in on Friday, it just wouldn't be like the "good ole days."

It just can't be denied that the average age of the operator/collector is getting older. More collections are coming on the market every day. That speaks to the supply side.

With decreasing demand and increasing supply is it any wonder things are as they are? Tradition only works for those old enough to remember it. All closed societies, or closed anything for that matter, eventually fail. Why do you think computer programming has gone to open architecture?

I have not researched Pennsylvania tax law, but if they require sales tax to be paid on used items if open to the public, maybe E. Div TCA should consider the drastic step of moving the event to a tax friendly state where the public can be invited without individual members having to pay sales tax. Virginia comes to mind. Maybe PA residents should contact their representatives and remind them how much tourism dollars will be lost if events such as this move.

We must expand our ranks, even National knows this. But, what reason does E. Div TCA have for moving or helping? I read their most recent board minutes and it seems they are concerned that they have too much money in the treasury and are worried about the their tax exempt status. They are considering giving some more to Nationl but that won't fix the problem of declining membership due to aging.

Don't get me wrong, it's not E. Div TCA's sole responsibility to fix the declining membership but they could help by opening their eyes and their halls to new blood.

As full disclosure, I'm a member of SE Div TCA and we open our division events to the public. We see a lot of kids and one of the best suggestions I ever got was from Joe Haenn who suggested I start making starter sets for kids. So I take 300's 302's 307's, etc add 3 cars, a caboose, a transformer, a manual uncoupler, an oval of track, a lock-on and some wire and sell it for $99 complete. I spend a lot of time making sure the engines are in perfect running order, the track is clean and everything works so kids can get excited about their trains. These are the future TCA members.

I encourage all of you to get a child involved, I encourage E. Div TCA and all other divisions to open up to the public. End of soapbox!

"Banker" Bill Clark

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> The entire premise is "tradition". I believe I related a conversation
> with "old timers" some shows ago when I had the AUDACITY to suggest opening to
> the public on Saturday (DEALER halls ONLY). The "alpha female" in the
> group started to scream, rant and rave about the "tradition" of York. I
> looked for a "tradition" pump on my way out to fuel my Chevy to get home, ran
> home on fumes. Their tradition does nothing for most of us with bills to
> pay, many of whom will not be participating in a while. I cut my losses by
> 120 dollars this show---FOUR FEWER tables, about the same intake. Be one
> less in the spring.
> Simple economics. Without the tables, NO reason to spend 3 days there
> either.
> On a brighter note: West Manchester Twp charges dealers a "Table Tax" and a
> "percentage of gross" tax. These are "Painless Taxes" because the resident
> taxpayers don't have to pay them. I found out it cost them $12 to process
> each tax bill paid, bet they are losing money on many of the bills they
> process ( can only hope).
> Jim Lyle
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61688 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show thoughts.....
Only Dealers in DEALER HALLS are required to report SALES TAX, EVERYONE
charges Sales Tax in PA on ANYthing they sell. Has been that way since the
beginning of Sales Tax. Used car, furniture, toys, whatever, Sales Tax is
charged by those licensed to sell and do so EVERY time the item is sold.
SALES TAX in the members halls is and ALWAZYS has been a moot point, except
when the "members" want to strike up hysteria about DEALER HALLS opening to
the public.
Somehow train buyers, it seems members of ONE organization in particular,
feel they are above the law and do not need to pay the taxes all the rest of
us pay.

Jim "filling out tax forms" Lyle


In a message dated 10/25/2010 3:28:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

have not researched Pennsylvania tax law, but if they require sales tax to
be paid on used items if open to the public, maybe E. Div TCA should
consider the drastic step of moving the event to a tax friendly state where the
public can be invited without individual members having to pay sales tax.
Virginia comes to mind. Maybe PA residents should contact their
representatives and remind them how much tourism dollars will be lost if events such as
this move.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 61689 From: alguckes2001 Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: AF #752 Seaboard Coaler Lionel
I have used my Lionel AF #752 Coaler to unload mini M&M's (the full size version jam the unloading chute). I am rebuilding the layout and realize I do not know what the intended function of the small metal rings on the unloading side are for, nor where they should be positioned. The accessory work OK with the rings just "hanging around" but I assume they are intended to limit the position of the cables? or wires?

I have posted two pictures to showing the rings to a AF Coaler folder.

Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 61690 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 10/25/2010
Subject: set 20203
Hi
I am looking for some information on set 20203 the mt tunnel and pass the Gilbert description is that it's made of Styrofoam I am looking to see if anyone has a pic of it or can give me a better description of it

Thanks Stan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61691 From: paflyrman Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: More Train Show Thoughts
I have no obvious solutions for the problems facing TCA or shows like the Eastern Division York meets, but something seems to always get lost in these discussions.

For the last ten or fifteen years the TCA has sought to replenish it's aging collector membership with train enthusiasts and operators, not true collectors. This partly contributes to why sales are down at member tables. Operators are not looking for variations, or one of every number/variation/style engine/car made the way many collectors are. One Lionel Berkshire or one Flyer Hudson is all they need - ever. They don't care if what you are trying to sell has Baldwin disc wheels when their's doesn't, or your's has a whistle not found in the differently numbered K5 on their board. They ar just looking for something different and interesting to add to their small layout. They wind up looking at and buying new stuff in the dealer halls.

I have no statistics to prove this (would love to see some),but I would also suspect that they do not renew their memberships at the same rate as us older collectors. After a few years they buy all they need, their interests move on, and in these economic times their membership fee money is spent elsewhere.

One last controversial point. I would like to see a professional analysis done regarding what we get as an association from the TCA Museum, given its' cost. It is moneywise, both our treasure trove and our Albatrose. My guess is that 1)few foreign members and members residing west of the Mississippi have ever visited it; and 2) we get few lasting new members from its' visiters. Perhaps it is time to close it now that the sewage problen has been resolved.

Just my $.24 (Adjusted for inflation since 1945)
paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61692 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: ZOT Progress Pix
Hi Folks,

As I said, here is an update with photos. I now installed all of the
track (except for the ferry in the lake). The next steps are to wire
most of the switch machines, provide control of the reverse loop and cut
off switches for the storage tracks. You can see a couple of photos in
the new photos section or look in the last album in the list. Right now,
that is number 197, so, use the "last" button rather than scroll through
all of those other fascinating albums.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 61693 From: Timboy Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: ZOT Progress Pix
Bill,

Nice pics! Among other things, I love that backdrop! It musta taken you weeks to paint it. LOL Great job on the switch as well. Interesting mix of vintage & Gargraves track & switches.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> As I said, here is an update with photos. I now installed all of the
> track (except for the ferry in the lake). The next steps are to wire
> most of the switch machines, provide control of the reverse loop and cut
> off switches for the storage tracks. You can see a couple of photos in
> the new photos section or look in the last album in the list. Right now,
> that is number 197, so, use the "last" button rather than scroll through
> all of those other fascinating albums.
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61694 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: ZOT Progress Pix
Hi Timboy,

Thanks for the kind words. It has been a while since I updated my
progress report. If you wonder about that backdrop, take a look at:
http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_2.htm to see where it came from.

I enjoy seeing your progress as well.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ZOT Progress Pix


Bill,

Nice pics! Among other things, I love that backdrop! It musta taken
you weeks to paint it. LOL Great job on the switch as well.
Interesting mix of vintage & Gargraves track & switches.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61695 From: Brady Date: 10/26/2010
Subject: Re: AF #752 Seaboard Coaler Lionel
<< The accessory work OK with the rings just "hanging around" but I assume they are intended to limit the position of the cables? or wires? >>

Al

Mine has one ring, it secures the wire that runs down to the clamshell.

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61696 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/27/2010
Subject: Some Upcoming Events Oct, 2010
Hi all --

In case you are interested. Pass around to those others that might also be interested.

Have fun!
Bill Winans


Forwarding Glen's compendium of events!

John Barry


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Glen Icanberry
To: Undisclosed-Recipient@...
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 6:52:00 PM
Subject: Some Upcoming Events Oct, 2010


Some Upcoming Events
All links have been checked as being good. However, you may have to cut and paste some or all of these links to your browser.
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Sat Nov 13, 2010 BNSF Celebrates the 125th Anniversary of Railroad Service
Over Cajon Pass

At the historic Santa Fe San Bernardino Depot, 1170 W. Third Street, San Bernardino
11am to 3pm. The BNSF Railway Invites You and Your Family to Celebrate the
History and Future of Rail in San Bernardino! Hosted by the BNSF and the San Bernardino History & RR Museum

Two new BNSF Genset locomotives will be on display along with a modern GE ES44DC locomotive to demonstrate ultra low emission operation. BNSF Maintenance teams, BNSF Police and Canine units will be available, Operation Lifesaver, Bus tours of the San Bernardino Intermodal Facility, Information booths, Vendors, Face painting, Balloons, Food, and Entertainment by the Legendary Mustangs. Women in Railroading will be onhand with their display booth.

Bring a can of food to donate to those in need and be entered into a raffle for prizes. The canned goods will be going to Mary's Kitchen in San Bernardino.

Mayor Patrick Morris will speak, along with executives of the BNSF, and other invited guests to be announced later.

(San Bernardino History & RR Museum will be open 9am to 3pm) http://www.sbdepotmuseum.com/Website/Depot.html

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Oct 30 and 31st Pumpkinliner Trains on the Fillmore & Western Ry

Sat and Sun departures at 10am, 12pm, 2pm and 4pm. Ride the Fillmore & Western train to the Ichabog Pumpkin Patch at the Loose Caboose Garden and Gift Emporium to pick out the perfect pumpkin. Activities include arts and crafts, carousel, jolly jumps, BBQ, face painting and more.

Adults $18, Children 4-12 are $12, Children 2-3 $8, under 2 are free on lap.
http://www.fwry.com/2010_pumpkinliners/pumpkinliners_2010.html 805-524-2546 or 800-773-8724

Also Headless Horseman Family Dinner Trains http://www.fwry.com/2010_headless_horseman/headless_horseman_2010.html
http://www.fwry.com/index.html
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Nov 6th, 7th, 11th, 13th and 14th A Day Out with Thomas the Tank Engine, at Orange Empire Railway Museum, Perris, CA
Thomas the Tank Engine is here! Day Out With Thomas™ offers an opportunity for children and their grownups to take a 25 minute ride with Thomas the Tank Engine™ and to have their picture taken with Sir Topham Hat™, the Superintendent of the Railroad. Every event includes Thomas & Friends™ storytelling, a viewing station for Thomas & Friends videos, temporary tattoos, and an Imagination Station.

The activities on site at a Day Out With Thomas™ are for you and your children to enjoy for several hours or more. Please plan your arrival time accordingly. You should arrive no later than one hour prior to your scheduled departure.

http://www.oerm.org/pages/dowt_main.html
http://www.oerm.org/pages/calendar.html http://www.oerm.org/
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Sat and Sun Nov 13th and 14th California Southern Model Railroad Club Fall Open House Noon to 6pm

The New California Southern layout is a "mushroom" design, with the upper level reverse of the lower level. This was determined by the membership as the way to make the best use of the 24' by 73' area. Once completed, it will give a 500' run (one way) of linear travel. 90% of the track work is operational on the lower level. The mainline, Malin Yard, and industries at Malabar, 9th Street, Hadley, and Spadra are wired and working. Scenery has been applied from Winchester to Esperanza. The lower level is the urban/industrial portion of the railroad, and is expected to take the longest to complete. The upper has been started now that many areas of the lower level are completed. The club meets every Tuesday evening between 6:00 and 9:00 PM, the public is always welcome. Layout construction may go on, but trains usually still operate. On Fridays there is an impromptu get together from 6:00pm to 10:30pm where members primarily run trains and just shoot the breeze.

http://www.californiasouthern.org/
Contact: Steve Kelly ssk1047@...
12140 E Firestone Blvd, Norwalk, CA 90650 (562) 863-3156

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Nov 26, 27, 28, Dec 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 26 and 27th,
2010 Train of Lights on the Niles Canyon Ry (Golden Gate RR Museum and Pacific Locomotive Assn)

Four trains per night. Departing from both Niles and Sunol. General seating $25, Holiday Lounge car $40. Rent a caboose for 1-24 people $750.
See Schedule at: http://www.ncry.org/tol_10.htm http://www.ggrm.org/ and http://www.ncry.org/
Sunol Station is at: 6 Kilkare Road, Sunol, CA 94586 Niles Station is at: 37001Mission Blvd., Fremont, CA 94536

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Nov 27th through Dec 27th North Pole Express on the Fillmore & Western Ry

Ride a vintage train to celebrate Christmas and the Holidays. Storytellers, Santa Claus, cookies and chocolate milk, elves, family fun. Weds, Thurs, Fri, Sat and Sun. Adults $29, Children 2-12 $19, under 2 free on lap.

Call for reservations 805-524-2546 or 800-773-8724
http://www.fwry.com/2010_NPE/north_pole_express_2010.html http://www.fwry.com/index.html
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Nov 27th through Dec 19th. Christmas Tree Holiday Trains on the Fillmore & Western Ry

Saturdays and Sundays 10am and 2pm departures from Fillmore, CA. Ride the Fillmore & Western Ry vintage passenger trains to the Christmas Tree Farm to select and cut the perfect Christmas tradition. Santa Claus will be on board. Also visit the Loose Caboose Garden Center and Gift Emporium to shop for Christmas gifts, decor and other items. Adults $14, Seniors 60 plus $22, Children 4-12 $14, Children 2-3 $10 and under 2 on lap free.

http://www.fwry.com/2010_tree_trains/tree_trains_2010.html Call for reservations 805-524-2546 or 800-773-8724

Also see Dinner with Santa Trains http://www.fwry.com/2010_dinner_santa/dinner_with_santa_2010.html http://www.fwry.com/
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Sat Dec 4th and Dec 11th Santa Trains at the Feather River Rail Society's Western Pacific Railroad Museum Portola, CA 5pm

Located at historic Portola, CA on the upper, east end of the scenic Feather River Canyon, the Western Pacific Railroad Museum has one of the largest collections of restored diesel locomotives. This is a very active organization of "Willing People" formed to preserve the memory of the Western Pacific Railroad and related Northern California railroading. Fher River Rail Society
P.O. Box 608

Feather River Rail Society

P.O. Box 608

700 Western Pacific Way

Portola, CA, USA 96122

Phone: (530) 832-4131

2-4131

Email: info@...

Home page: http://wplives.org/ and http://wplives.org/visitthewprm.html

Equipment roster: http://wplives.org/roster.html

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Sat and Sun Dec 4th and 5th Great Train Expo at Del Mar Fairgrounds
10am to 4pm both Sat and Sun.

Adults $7, Kids under 12 are free.

The Great Train Expo is a national, traveling show for all scales. Operating layouts will be featured along with model railroad vendors, railroadiana, apparel, books, photos and more.
http://www.greattrainexpo.com/

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Sat Dec 11th and Sun Dec 12th Santa Trains at Orange Empire Railway Museum, Perris, CA

Come ride with Santa. Fun full day for the whole family, refreshments, gifts and holiday music. 11 am - 4 pm.
Regular ticket prices apply, but you must pick up a reservation for your Santa Train ride upon arrival.

http://www.oerm.org/pages/calendar.html http://www.oerm.org/
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Sat and Sun Dec 18th 19th Great Train Expo at Fairplex in Pomona
10am to 4pm both Sat and Sun.

Adults $7, Kids under 12 are free.

The Great Train Expo is a national, traveling show for all scales. Operating layouts will be featured along with model railroad vendors, railroadiana, apparel, books, photos and more. http://www.greattrainexpo.com/

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Dec 31st New Years Eve Train on the Fillmore & Western Ry

Magical New Years Eve journey on a vintage passenger train through the citrus groves of Ventura County. Elegant dinner served on board the train, dancing, Hollywood celebrities, character actors, midnight champagne toast. $201 per couple. Departs Fillmore 8pm returns aprox 1230am. Hotel packages available.

http://www.fwry.com/2010_nye/new_years_eve_2010.html Call for reservations 805-524-2546 or 800-773-8724
http://www.fwry.com/

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Sun Feb 13, 2011 California Express Railroadiana & Transportation Show in Buena Park 900am to 300pm

At the UFCW Hall 8550 Stanton Ave. (Corner of Stanton and Crescent Aves), Buena Park, CA. This long running show features sellers from across the country offering railroadiana, steamship and airline antiques and collectibles. Renee Orton and Paul Orton have successfully brought this excellent show back to it's former glory with the help of Rick Wright. This show features the railroad art of Rod Aszman. http://www.californiaexpress.net/index.html and http://www.californiaexpress.net/ronaszman.html Admission is $8.00. Kids are free. Early birds in at 630am $25.00.

Renee Orton 626-281-7500 reneeorton@...
Paul Orton lampandlanternhead@...
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Feb 19th - 21st, 2011 Snowflake Express

On Feb 19th two former California Zephyr dome cars, (private cars), will depart Emeryville on the rear of Train No. 6 for a winter ride over Donner Pass. On arrival in Truckee passengers can detrain and transfer to waiting charter motorcoaches for the one hour ride over to the Graeagle/Portola region. Hotel check-in at the delightful Chalet View Resort located in the upper Feather River Canyon and Mohawk Valley. For those folks that want to spend the weekend in Reno are welcome to stay onboard the two dome cars and ride on into Reno. Full day of Plumas Snowflake Winterfest activities in the Portola/Mohawk Valley area on Feb 20th. Feb 21st breakfast at the Chalet View before we boarding motorcoaches for the hour ride back to Truckee to the private rail cars for the westbound journey back over the High Sierra to the Sacramento Valley and on to the San Francisco Bay Area. The train departs Reno at 8:36am and Truckee at 9:37am. Gourmet meals will be served eastbound and westbound on the private cars.

http://www.traintrips.biz/snowflake-express-2011.html http://www.traintrips.biz/index.html http://www.traintrips.biz/news.htm

Trains & Travel, P.O. Box 10625, Reno, NV 89510-0625
800-359-4870 or 775-453-1004 9am to 5pm Mon-Fri

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Sat March 5, 2011 Orange Empire Railway Museum Swap Meet Perris, CA
800am to 200pm.

THIS IS THE BIG ONE!

The OERM Railroadiana Swap Meets are the Largest in Southern California.

Admission and selling is FREE to OERM members. Non-member exhibitors/sellers $18.00, and non-member helpers $18.00. Admission for non-members $7.00, children ages 5-11 are $5.00. Info on membership: http://www.oerm.org/pages/membership.htm Get there before 1100am or you will be treated to sellers packing up to leave.

Orange Empire Railway Museum
2201 S. "A" Street
Perris, CA 92750

Information: 951-943-3020 or 951-657-2605 http://www.oerm.org/ and OERM Calendar of Events: http://www.oerm.org/pages/calendar.html OERM is the home to Ventura County Ry steam locomotive No. 2 http://www.oerm.org/pages/vc2.html
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Sat March 12, 2011 Winterail 2011 Stockton, CA The Thirty Third Annual Winterail

WINTERAIL FULL EVENT TICKETS ARE SOLD BY ADVANCE PURCHASE ONLY.

Winterail P.O. Box 1627, San Leandro, CA 94577.

Winterail is the premiere railroad photography event. Come see the best in railroad photography at this long running show and swap meet, presented by Victor D. Neves , in the tradition of Dave Stanley and Ken Meeker! Come to Winterail and prepare to be dazzled! This grand annual event draws photographers, railroaders, railroadiana collectors and fans from across the country.

If you did not act to purchase tickets last year, you likely are NOT on the Winterail mailing list. Please send SSAE and request to be put on the mailing list. See address above. http://www.winterail.com/

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March 12 & 13, 2011. Bakersfield, California. Golden Empire Historical & Modeling Society's Annual Model Train Show Sat: 10:00 AM - 5:00 PM; Sun: 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM.

Adults $7, Kids under 13 are free. Parking $3. Over 100 dealer tables and several operating layouts of different scales, including live steam.
Kern County Fairgrounds, 1142 South 'P' Street, Bakersfield, CA 93307.

Information: Doug Wagner, (661) 331-6695 or carldw@... ;
GEHAMS Web Site: www.gehgams.net

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Mon, March 14, 2011 Second Annual Virginia & Truckee Railfan Spectacular

This steam trip is scheduled to follow Winterail, on Monday March 14, 2011, continue the Winterail weekend on the historic Virginia & Truckee RR.
Sample photos from the 1st Annual event can be seen by clicking on this link about last years trip: http://www.traintrips.biz/virginia-and-truckee-railfan-day.html
This railfan day will include a passenger train consist pulled by steam locomotive 29 out of Virginia City to Carson Canyon, and all the way to end of rail. Multiple photo run-bys and special options in the hills of the famous Comstock from sunrise to sunset. At least 25 photo run-bys will be operated

http://www.traintrips.biz/virginia-and-truckee-railfan-day-2011.html http://www.traintrips.biz/ http://www.traintrips.biz/news.htm

Trains & Travel, P.O. Box 10625, Reno, NV 89510-0625
800-359-4870 or 775-453-1004 9am to 5pm Mon-Fri

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Sat March 26, 2011 Santa Susana Depot Swap Meet and Open House
Santa Susana Railroad Historical Society
Swap Meet 7am to 10am. Adults $2.00, kids free.
Depot Open House 10am to 4pm. SP Depot and HO layout are open each Sat and Sun 1pm to 4pm. A fine restoration!

Santa Susana Railroad Historical Society
6503 Katherine Rd.
Simi Valley, CA

http://www.santasusannadepot.org/Foundation/Home.htm http://www.rsrpd.org/park/santasusanadepot/santasusanadepot.html
Vendor table info: events@... David Putnam (661) 753-6006 Table reservations $10, and are on a first come, first served basis.
No reservations will be made without full payment. Vendors who do not arrive by 630am will be subject to forfeiture of their reservation and payment.

Future swap meet dates are June 4th, Aug 27th and Oct 22, 2011

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Sat and Sun, April 2nd and 3rd, 2011 The Pacific Railroad Society Diamond Jubilee Special

Now being planned for April 2 and 3, 2011, on the anniversary of the founding of Railroad Boosters 75 years ago. Set aside the weekend for this special train which will traverse Soledad Canyon and Tehachapi Pass on its way to Bakersfield. Projected ticket costs will be approximately $275 round trip for PRS members and $300 for non-members. Exact prices will be advertised on the PRS website as soon as they are firm. A deposit of $100 sent now will place you at the head of the list and will secure your reservation until March 1. This deposit is fully refundable until the day the trip operates. Watch Facebook, the PRS website, and Wheel Clicks for further information. Pacific Railroad Society Excursions, 210 W. Bonita Avenue, San Dimas CA 91773. http://www.pacificrailroadsociety.org/excursions/index.html

http://www.pacificrailroadsociety.org/

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April 16th and 17th, 2011 San Bernardino Railroad Days
At the historic Santa Fe San Bernardino Depot, 1170 W. Third Street, San Bernardino

FREE ADMISSION!!!!

The San Bernardino History & Railroad Museum, the San Bernardino Historical & Pioneer Society, and the City of San Bernardino will host San Bernardino Railroad Days 2011, at the historic Santa Fe San Bernardino Depot. There will be railroad displays, antique vehicle displays and model railroads. There will be railroadiana for sale, apparel, model railroad equipment, food, music, fun! An estimated 8,000 people attended San Bernardino RR Days in May of 2010. Hopefully Santa Fe 3751 will be back under steam, with another successful excursion operated from Los Angeles, as was accomplished for San Bernardino RR Days 2010. More details as they become available. http://www.sbdepotmuseum.com/Website/Depot.html
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May 21st and 22nd, 2011 The Big Train Show Ontario Convention Center
2000 E. Convention Center Way, Ontario, CA

The Big Train Show is the largest all gauge selling train show. There will be vendors, layouts, exhibits. Sponsored by USA Trains, Bachmann, Aristocraft Trains and Kids Art.

http://www.bigtrainshow.com/ http://www.bigtrainshow.com/contact/
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Every Saturday 10am to 3pm San Bernardino History & Railroad Museum at the Historic Santa Fe San Bernardino Depot

FREE ADMISSION
1170 W. Third Street, San Bernardino, CA

The City of San Bernardino and Mayor Patrick Morris, obtained a grant to establish a railroad and history museum in the former Santa Fe Ry Depot at San Bernardino in 2008. The new San Bernardino History & Railroad Museum is in the refurbished baggage room/REA/mail room toward the west end of the depot, on the ground floor. The museum is filled with railroadiana, firefighting memorabilia and reflects the people of the Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe Ry, (now BNSF), important role in the history of San Bernardino. Admission is free. Special Zephyr Products Santa Fe and BNSF hats and shirts are sold in the museum store to help raise money for the museum. Santa Fe 3751 photos and exhibits are on loan from the San Bernardino Railroad Historical Society. Two retired firefighters, Steven Shaw and Allen Bone, President and Vice President of the City of San Bernardino Historical & Pioneer Society, along with other volunteer have been working hard on the new museum.
http://www.sbdepotmuseum.com/Website/Depot.html

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SUPPORT ALTAMONT PRESS!
Purchase your California Region Timetable. http://www.altamontpress.com/store/ Home page: http://www.altamontpress.com/
David Curlee has taken up the cause where Rob Carlson and Bill Farmer left off. Altamont Press Lives!

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Private Car "Tioga Pass"
Travel in luxurious style on a 1959 built Canadian National Business Car!

The "Tioga Pass" is equipped with a lounge area seating twelve, four staterooms, a full stainless steel kitchen, and dining room which seats eight. Business Car "Tioga Pass" has two generator systems to provide electricity, circulating hot water system and is fully self-contained. The Business Car "Tioga Pass" meets all FRA and Amtrak specification and environmental rules. "Tioga Pass" is available for charter. http://www.ridemytrain.com/index.php http://www.ridemytrain.com/about.php
Schedule: http://www.ridemytrain.com/schedule.php Operated by Norm Orfall Aronco Leasing Tel: (760) 955-6079 Cell: (760) 953-9620
Mr. Orfall is a retired Santa Fe Ry Trainmaster. P.O. Box 872, Helendale, CA 92342
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Trains & Travel International Railroad Tours and Excursions

Exciting railroad tours specifically for the railfan, railfan/tourist, and tourist operated by Chris and Deborah Scow.
http://www.traintrips.biz/products.htm http://www.traintrips.biz/news.htm
Trains & Travel, P.O. Box 10625, Reno, NV 89510-0625
800-359-4870 or 775-453-1004 9am to 5pm Mon-Fri

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LA Rail . Com Vintage Railcars of Los Angeles, Private Car Charters, Excursions and Tours

Los Angeles is home to a number of unique vintage railcars from the 40's & 50's. Through the hard work of individual owners these cars are available today by charter for groups from 10-100, or you may join us on one of our public trips listed below.

Information: (877) 4 LA-Rail (877) 452-7245

http://www.larail.com/
http://www.overlandtrail.com/charter/larail_charter.html

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Pacific Railroad Society's Pacific Railroad Museum in San Dimas
210 W. Bonita Ave., San Dimas, CA

Housed in the Santa Fe San Dimas Depot, the Pacific Railroad Museum is the vast library and archives of the Pacific Railroad Society. The primary focus is on Southern California railroad history, however the library contains a vast archive of American railroad history. This well organized and well run museum is worth the visit to San Dimas. The Train Stop Hobby Shop is across the street from the Depot.

Open Weds and Sat 10am to 4pm. Free Admission
909-394-0616

http://www.pacificrailroadsociety.org/sandimas/musuem/index.html
http://www.pacificrailroadsociety.org/index.html
http://www.pacificrailroadsociety.org/equipment/index.html

Train Stop Hobby Shop http://www.trainstop.com/ 211 W. Bonita Ave., San Dimas, CA

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Goffs Depot Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association

The Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association has replicated the Santa Fe Goffs Depot at Goffs, CA., to house their growing library and archives. The Goffs Depot, Goffs School House and related high desert historical artifacts are well worth the visit.

Open Sat and Sun 9am to 4pm. Phone 760-733-4482

More info: http://www.mdhca.org/ Goffs Depot blog: http://mojavedesertarchives.blogspot.com/

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Fillmore & Western Ry

Ride passenger trains behind classic diesels through the orange groves of Ventura County. Witness what Southern California used to look like!
http://www.fwry.com/

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Feather River Rail Society Western Pacific Railroad Museum
A world class railroad museum in Portola, CA

Located at historic Portola, CA on the upper, east end of the scenic Feather River Canyon, the Western Pacific Railroad Museum has one of the largest collections of restored diesel locomotives. This is a very active organization of "Willing People" formed to preserve the memory of the Western Pacific Railroad and related Northern California railroading.

Feather River Rail Society

P.O. Box 608

700 Western Pacific Way

Portola, CA, 96122

Phone: (530) 832-4131

Home page: http://wplives.org/ and http://wplives.org/visitthewprm.html

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NIles Canyon Railway of Pacific Locomotive Assn. and Golden Gate Railroad Museum

Classic Trains provide a roundtrip from Sunol to Niles and return, or Niles to Sunol and return, through scenic Niles Canyon on the former SP Western Division.

http://ncry.org/ and http://www.ggrm.org/

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Los Angeles Live Steamers Griffith Park
Regular Run Days every Sunday 1100am to 300pm

Information: http://www.lals.org/
5302 Zoo Drive
Los Angeles, Ca
323-661-8958
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Western American Railroad Museum Barstow
Open 1100am to 400pm Friday, Saturday and Sunday
685 North First Street, At the Barstow Harvey House

Great museum displays, including all types of railroadiana, along with locomotives and rolling stock. A fine tribute to the railroaders and railroad families who built Barstow. There is a Barstow Route 66 Museum in the Barstow Harvey House too.

Mailing address: P.O. Box 703, Barstow, CA 92312 http://www.barstowrailmuseum.org/
Don't miss the adjacent Barstow Route 66 Museum http://www.route66museum.org/
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Riverside Live Steamers
Regular Run Days Second and Fourth Sundays 1030am to 230pm

Info: http://www.steamonly.org/ and http://www.steamonly.org/RLSmap.html
1496 Columbia Ave
Riverside, CA
951-242-4963
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Railway & Locomotive Historical Society, Southern California Chapter

RAILGIANTS MUSEUM AND DISPLAY / SANTA FE ARCADIA DEPOT

Monthly display open house on the second weekend (Sat and Sun), at the Los Angeles County Fair Grounds in Pomona. No charge. Enter at Gate One, and drive over to the Exhibit. Open from 1000am to 300pm. http://trainweb.org/rlhs/

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Orange County Model Engineers Fairview Park, Costa Mesa

Regular Run Days are third weekend of each month, Sat and Sun. 1000am to 300pm.

Orange County Model Engineers
P.O. Box 3216
Costa Mesa, CA 92628
Costa Mesa, CA 92628
714-548=7246 http://www.ocmetrains.org/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61697 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/27/2010
Subject: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 61698 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/28/2010
Subject: Re: SHS commercialism - extended vision cabooses
> We have some extended vision cabooses that we are putting to the e-
> groups for sale. These have been out of stock for sometime now.
> First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
> website at:

http://showcaseline.com/Cabooses/EVC/evc_in_stock.html

> Items are being sold as "New in Box" and the warranty will apply.
> Not available through our dealer network.
>
> Don

> New Items - Sold out cabooses...
>
> 1 00217 EVC UNL Red $ 75
> 1 00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 $ 75
> 1 00237 Caboose Missouri Pacific #2 $ 75
> 1 00243 Caboose Seaboard #2 $ 75
> 1 00597 EVC C+NW #4 $ 75
> 1 00598 EVC MEC Sch-11 #1 $ 75
> 2 00599 EVC RDG #1 $ 75
> 1 00603 EVC AT + SF #3 $ 75
>
>
> Not sold items...
>
> Standard Flat Cars with loads - Only 2 left...
> NP #1
> SL-SF (Frisco) #2
>
http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html

> F3 A&B sets - Only 2 left...
> DL&W #1
> DL&W #2
>
> F7s
> F7A B&M #2
> F7A MP #2
>
> F7 A&B set
> B&M #1
> B&M #2
> PRR#1
> PRR#2
>
> F7 ABA sets
> B&M

The F units have been out of stock for sometime now. Most of these
are Locomatic (anything AC/DC sound is Locomatic) and we would rather
sell as such. For our F7s, we will use our original Soundtraxx DCC
sound (can support an F7 ABBA using MU cables), for the F3s we will
install the QSI rev. U (will control an AB set). Other options could
be discussed. Items not sold by Tuesday afternoon, will be brought to
York. No layaways. No holding for checks.
First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
website by purchasing a catalog and in the comments box, indicating
which units are being purchased. Items are being sold as "New in Box"
and the warranty will apply. Not available through our dealer network.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61699 From: sgaugian Date: 10/28/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair Videos
See Lionel Play Part 3 for the AF U33C and Challenger - after the snow-globe O gauge car.

http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/index.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61700 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: Re: SHS commercialism - 3 car reefer and rebuilt boxcar sets
> We have some rebuilt boxcar and reefer 3 car sets that we are
> putting to the e- groups for sale. These have been out of stock for
> sometime now. First come, first served. Items can be purchased
> using our secure website at:
>


http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/3CarSets/3carboxcarsets_in_stock.html

1 00345 3 car st Chicago & Northwestern rebuilt set $ 149.95
1 00808 Rebuilt SL & SF 3 car set rebuilt set $ 149.95

http://showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

1 00695 FGEX 3 car set #1 reefer set $ 159.95
2 00683 Reefer BREX 3 car set #1 reefer set $ 159.95
2 00684 NWX (Yel/grn) 3 car set #1 reefer set $ 159.95

These are at the bottom of the order page. Sorry, no images...

> The remaining extended vision cabooses can be purchased using our
> secure website at:
>
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Cabooses/EVC/evc_in_stock.html
>
> Items are being sold as "New in Box" and the warranty will apply.
> Not available through our dealer network.
>
> Don
>
> New Items - Sold out cabooses...
>
> 1 00217 EVC UNL Red $ 75
> 1 00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 $ 75
> 1 00243 Caboose Seaboard #2 $ 75
> 1 00597 EVC C+NW #4 $ 75
> 2 00599 EVC RDG #1 $ 75
>
>
>
> Not F units items...
>
> Standard Flat Cars with loads - Only 2 left...
> NP #1
> SL-SF (Frisco) #2
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html
>
> F3 A&B sets - Only 2 left...
> DL&W #1
> DL&W #2
>
UP #2
>
> F7s
> F7A B&M #2
> F7A MP #2
>
> F7 A&B set
> B&M #1
> B&M #2
> PRR#1
> PRR#2
>
> F7 ABA sets
> B&M
>
> The F units have been out of stock for sometime now. Most of these
> are Locomatic (anything AC/DC sound is Locomatic) and we would rather
> sell as such. For our F7s, we will use our original Soundtraxx DCC
> sound (can support an F7 ABBA using MU cables), for the F3s we will
> install the QSI rev. U (will control an AB set). Other options could
> be discussed. Items not sold by Tuesday afternoon, will be brought to
> York. No layaways. No holding for checks.
> First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
> website by purchasing a catalog and in the comments box, indicating
> which units are being purchased. Items are being sold as "New in Box"
> and the warranty will apply. Not available through our dealer network.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61701 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
HI all,
While it was great to see what the U boat and the Challenger will look like (rats, typical L truck-mounted pilots--something S doesn't need--but that's the way they build O, so they don't know any better), I was dismayed at the presentation style. After all these years, you'd think they could do a better "dog & pony" show. To hold up the products in one's clammy hands, like at an auction, seems so bad in so many ways. I would think a display platform with a lazy susan, and the products mounted to a piece of track on roadbed would look so much more professional, and allow us a real look at the details. I have no idea what the Challenger drivers and valve linkage really look like beacuse there were fingers in the way!
The presenters may be great guys, and knowledgable about the product line and manufacturing process, but delivery could be a lot better. And NO, I'm not that great at delivery either--but there are some around that are--they could give the spiel, and have these guys in the background to answer the tough questions.
OK, off of soapbox--actually, can't wait to see the stuff in MY house!
David D.
PS Am now wondering--could the Challenger's front and rear trucks and the tender be put on the Big Boy and solve a lot of the overhang/action rail problems?? Hmmmmmm. . . . Parts is parts!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61702 From: Todd Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: AFCC Collector Magazines Wanted and For Sale
Thanks to those who responded to my AFCC Collector posting in early October. I'm still looking for two issues to complete my set, and have dupes of three more for sale. Can you help?

Needed:
Volume 9 #2
Volume 20 #2

Duplicates for sale, $1 each, plus actual(not inflated!) postage:
Volume 2 #3,4
Volume 20 #3

E-mail me at papertrw@.... Many thanks!

Todd Wagner
Rochester Hills, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 61703 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/29/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
----- Original Message -----
From: djdewey@...
While it was great to see what the U boat and the Challenger will look like
. . . . . . . . . I was dismayed at the presentation style . . . . . . . .
. .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Always fun to bash Lionel, but keep in mind that was a "live" presentation
for an audience of who-knows-how-many people sitting in chairs. We who
only saw it via the video were not the primary audience. We're lucky they
allowed the video recording at all.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 61704 From: David Dewey Date: 10/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
HI all,
Tom noted "Always fun to bash Lionel, but keep in mind that was a "live"
presentation for an audience of who-knows-how-many people sitting in
chairs. "

Well, gee, I didn't mean to be so much L bashing, but I did note my
disapointent in the U-Boat pilots, so that might be bashing. My
complaint--or cry in the dark--was that, after seeing many other industries'
"dog & Pony" shows, why do we toy train (or model train, depending on your
philosophy) folks have to have such "sloppy" one that resembles a "Gee,
lookit' what I got guys!" approach. I've noticed for years how they just
pick up trains and dangle them in the air with a "lookit this!" kid's
approach. Yes, it was designed for a live audience, and I don't know how
many folks attend it annually--but it is an annual presentation, and a
significant one for their marketing niche. After all, they are showing
engineering prototypes and other pre-production samples; couldn't they at
least mount them on a section of track so one could see what they really
look like? I'm sure that marketing could tap a few holes in the chassis and
screw them to a section of track for easy, and safer handling. Want to run
them (if they run, remember these are pre-production units) on the display
layout the next day? Take the screws out!
OK, off of soapbox, gotta go get ready for our organ restoration project's
showing of the 1925 "The Phantom of the Opera" tonight! With live theater
organ and an opera singer! Come on down to Oroville and have a great
evening! (free advertising! heh heh heh)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61705 From: Timboy Date: 10/30/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Guys:

I have another section completed on my American Flyer layout. To see pics and details, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61706 From: Dave Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: AF Quartering Tools
We will be offering two (2) NEW QUARTERING TOOLS for American Flyer (1946 - 1965) steam engines. The first is for the 4-4-2 ATLANTICS the second and most notable will be for the #21165/66 Casey Jones engines. True, these do not require quartering as they came from the factory. This set of quartering tools are for the KIT BASHER HOBBIEST that wants to redue the unit and INSTALL THE STANDARD METAL WHEELS WITH THE WHITE WALLS (insulators). You may want to contact us OFF GROUP for price quotes and avaliability as these will be LIMITED PRODUCTION ITEMS. Thank you for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 61707 From: Brady Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Fall 2010 TCA Toy Train Fair video Lionel presentation
The observation car is nice, but it seems to make a poor venue for showing off the new products. The other brands do better with a couple of tables.

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61708 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: SGG Open house Sunday Nov 7th and Tuesday Nov 9th
The Slim Gauge Guild Model Railroad Club would like to invite you to their semi-annual open house on Sunday November 7(10am-6pm) and Tuesday November 9 (6pm-10pm)

Layouts are S/Sn3 and HO/HOn3 and fill a 2000 square foot room in the basement.

The Guild is located on the South East corner of Raymond and Del Mar.
Just across Del Mar (South) from the MTA Gold Line Station.
web site @ http://www.slimgaugeguild.com

Address: China Factory Mall (basement)
300 S. Raymond Ave
Pasadena, CA 91105

A few videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwwKbMU-92A&list=QL&feature=BF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3a3QrcmoIo&feature=related

Parking is free on the north side of the building.
Info call Jeff Smith @ (818) 590-1729

Hope all interested in Narrow gauge or just running trains can visit.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61709 From: Timboy Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Guys:

I got a pretty good start on Timboy Town this morning.

For pics and details on this next phase, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61710 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Montreal, Maine and Atlantic RR
http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/156278.html

Bangor Daily News article about the state of Maine getting a grant to preserve 233 miles of rail line.

It is the Montreal, Maine and Atlantic RR, as I think this would be a neat box car to have on a layout.

I did get a Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo car from S Helper and that is neat.

I think the smaller rail lines cars are neat to have, conversation pieces.

Steve Conard, I know you are in Alaska for 2 weeks.but I thought I would send this to you.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61711 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/31/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday October 31, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61712 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Harold and Maude
For those who know of the movie Harold and Maude, which is one of my favorite movies, there is a scene in the movie where they are watching Lionel trains run.

there is a trailer on YouTube for the movie that has this seen in it.

if you watch and need some explaining on what the movie is about let me know. Nothing dirty, etc.

It did star a famous actress Ruth Gordon in it. Music by one of my favorite singers, Cat Stevens.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61713 From: barb Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Tim,

Your layout is looking wonderful. The landscaping, even though this
is a "to-be-added-later" feature really compliments the layout.

BTW, when you address a post with "Hi Guys", I hope you are not
excluding me! I would be mighty hurt.

Barb


Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@... timstrains2000
Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:16 pm (PDT)


Hi Guys:

I have another section completed on my American Flyer layout. To see pics and details, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61714 From: Timboy Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Hi Barb,

First off - THANKS! It means a lot to me to hear that kind of compliment. And you are the perfect one to make it with what you have accomplished! Thanks, Barb!

I always thought the the term "guys" meant everyone; male and female - such as, "Hey, you guys! Get out of my way!". However, when I did a Wikipedia search, it states that it is a term meaning men or boys. Other searches in other online dictionaries gave mixed results. Bottom line is that since it is unclear, I'll refrain from using it because I want to include EVERYONE when I give a shout-out as to how I'm progressing.

Hey everyone!
When I get done with this scenic vista I'll have a special challenge ahead; one that I've never done before. Timboy Town will actually be Timboy Town West and Timboy Town East. No challenge there, but separating them will be one lake of a twin lake system; Timboy Twin Lake West. I've never modeled water - still or otherwise - so any help in the way of advice or links that point to a "how to" or pics showing some wonderful examples would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone!

Timboy




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Your layout is looking wonderful. The landscaping, even though this
> is a "to-be-added-later" feature really compliments the layout.
>
> BTW, when you address a post with "Hi Guys", I hope you are not
> excluding me! I would be mighty hurt.
>
> Barb
>
>
> Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
> Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@... timstrains2000
> Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:16 pm (PDT)
>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> I have another section completed on my American Flyer layout. To see pics and details, please visit:
>
> http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
>
>
> Unsubscribe
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61715 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/31/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Hi Timboy,

I do like what you are doing. I really enjoy modeling water. My favorite
technique uses epoxy resin with waves cut in to the surface using a
Dremel tool. Add varnish for a shine. Look at my friend's layout at
http://wpporter.duckburg.us/gillettetug.htm to see one instance.

Keep us posted,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Timboy
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Digest Number 5057


Hi Barb,

First off - THANKS! It means a lot to me to hear that kind of
compliment. And you are the perfect one to make it with what you have
accomplished! Thanks, Barb!

I always thought the the term "guys" meant everyone; male and female -
such as, "Hey, you guys! Get out of my way!". However, when I did a
Wikipedia search, it states that it is a term meaning men or boys.
Other searches in other online dictionaries gave mixed results. Bottom
line is that since it is unclear, I'll refrain from using it because I
want to include EVERYONE when I give a shout-out as to how I'm
progressing.

Hey everyone!
When I get done with this scenic vista I'll have a special challenge
ahead; one that I've never done before. Timboy Town will actually be
Timboy Town West and Timboy Town East. No challenge there, but
separating them will be one lake of a twin lake system; Timboy Twin Lake
West. I've never modeled water - still or otherwise - so any help in
the way of advice or links that point to a "how to" or pics showing some
wonderful examples would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone!

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61716 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out USRA open top hoppers...
> We have some USRA 2 bay open top hopper single cars and 3 car sets
> that we are putting to the e- groups for sale. These have been out
> of stock for sometime now. Many of these are first run schemes or
> first run numbers. First come, first served. Items can be
> purchased using our secure website at:
>

http://showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html

3 01178 USRA B&O 3 car set A $ 129.00 $ 387.00
2 01179 USRA B & O #4 $ 49.95 $ 99.90
2 01192 USRA NYO & W 3 car set $ 129.00 $ 258.00
2 01193 USRA NYO & W #4 $ 49.95 $ 99.90
2 01194 USRA PRR 3 Car Set $ 129.00 $ 258.00
2 01195 USRA PRR #4 $ 49.95 $ 99.90
2 01196 USRA RDG 3 Car Set A $ 129.00 $ 199.90 $ 258.00
1 01197 USRA RDG #4 $ 49.95 $ 199.90 $ 49.95
1 01202 USRA N & W 3 car st A $ 129.00 $ 129.00
1 01203 USRA N & W #4 $ 49.95 $ 49.95
2 01206 USRA Peabody 3 car set A $ 129.00 $ 258.00
2 01207 USRA Peabody #4 $ 49.95 $ 99.90

We still have the following items from last week

http://showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

1 00683 Reefer BREX 3 car set #1 reefer set $ 159.95
1 00684 NWX (Yel/grn) 3 car set #1 reefer set $ 159.95

These are at the bottom of the order page. Sorry, no images...

> The remaining extended vision cabooses can be purchased using our
> secure website at:
>
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Cabooses/EVC/evc_in_stock.html
>
>
>
> 1 00243 Caboose Seaboard #2 $ 75
> 1 00599 EVC RDG #1 $ 75
>
>
>
> Not F units items...
>
> Standard Flat Cars with loads - Only one left...
> NP #1
>

> http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html
>
> F3s are all sold out.
>
>
> F7s
> F7A B&M #2
>
> F7 A&B set
> B&M #1
> B&M #2
> PRR#1
> PRR#2
>
> F7 ABA sets
> B&M
>
> The F units have been out of stock for sometime now. Most of these
> are Locomatic (anything AC/DC sound is Locomatic) and we would rather
> sell as such. For our F7s, we will use our original Soundtraxx DCC
> sound (can support an F7 ABBA using MU cables), for the F3s we will
> install the QSI rev. U (will control an AB set). Other options could
> be discussed. Items not sold by Tuesday afternoon, will be brought to
> York. No layaways. No holding for checks.
> First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
> website by purchasing a catalog and in the comments box, indicating
> which units are being purchased. Items are being sold as "New in Box"
> and the warranty will apply. Not available through our dealer network.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61717 From: David Dewey Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
Hi Everyone
Tim mentioned looking up the phrase, "Hi Guys" in the dictionary, where he
got the technical meaning of the phrase. However! I use it in the same way
that Magnum P. I. used it, which is (I'm sure) where I picked it up. And
that use is a generic, friendly way of saying, "Hi Everyone!"
However, I can see how both our meanings can be misinterpreted. RATS! There
goes my colorful slang. . . . .
See Y'all (now that one I can still use!) :)
Uh oh, train related . . .Um, . . . .AH! Another train related phrase is
"Alllll Board! " (at least that's how it's pronounced--it's actually "all
aboard") which means, "Everyone is aboard the train--and if you're not, step
lively or you will be left behind!"
Later dudes! (and daisies)
S'
David D.
Who is getting in deeper, so am stopping my digging! :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 61718 From: Robert Conner Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
DAVID.....I only know of one LADY on here thats does AF train stuff.... So shouldn't it be DAISEYETTE!!!!! Bob
 
Barb.... We all love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- On Mon, 11/1/10, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote:


From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hi Guys!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 12:00 PM


 



Hi Everyone
Tim mentioned looking up the phrase, "Hi Guys" in the dictionary, where he
got the technical meaning of the phrase. However! I use it in the same way
that Magnum P. I. used it, which is (I'm sure) where I picked it up. And
that use is a generic, friendly way of saying, "Hi Everyone!"
However, I can see how both our meanings can be misinterpreted. RATS! There
goes my colorful slang. . . . .
See Y'all (now that one I can still use!) :)
Uh oh, train related . . .Um, . . . .AH! Another train related phrase is
"Alllll Board! " (at least that's how it's pronounced--it's actually "all
aboard") which means, "Everyone is aboard the train--and if you're not, step
lively or you will be left behind!"
Later dudes! (and daisies)
S'
David D.
Who is getting in deeper, so am stopping my digging! :)








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61719 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
I have had many women call Linda and me, Guys, as it is just a way of saying hello, etc..

I have seen many women call other women, guys, no pun intended.

Just FYI.

Mike



From: Robert Conner
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Hi Guys!


DAVID.....I only know of one LADY on here thats does AF train stuff.... So shouldn't it be DAISEYETTE!!!!! Bob

Barb.... We all love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- On Mon, 11/1/10, David Dewey <mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com> wrote:

From: David Dewey <mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hi Guys!
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 12:00 PM



Hi Everyone
Tim mentioned looking up the phrase, "Hi Guys" in the dictionary, where he
got the technical meaning of the phrase. However! I use it in the same way
that Magnum P. I. used it, which is (I'm sure) where I picked it up. And
that use is a generic, friendly way of saying, "Hi Everyone!"
However, I can see how both our meanings can be misinterpreted. RATS! There
goes my colorful slang. . . . .
See Y'all (now that one I can still use!) :)
Uh oh, train related . . .Um, . . . .AH! Another train related phrase is
"Alllll Board! " (at least that's how it's pronounced--it's actually "all
aboard") which means, "Everyone is aboard the train--and if you're not, step
lively or you will be left behind!"
Later dudes! (and daisies)
S'
David D.
Who is getting in deeper, so am stopping my digging! :)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61720 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: State Of Maine Cars.
http://www.blwnscale.com/Eastern%20Seaboard%20Models%2040%27%20Insulated%20Boxcar.htm

On the S Scale list, a discussion of State Of Maine started due to me mentioning the Montreal Maine and Atlantic RR.

the list above talks about the cars, and they have video showing all the varies of the State of Maine cars, as some had New Haven on them, as New Haven ordered them this way to save money on cars.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61721 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/1/2010
Subject: Re: Hi Guys!
How about instead of Hi Guys, we all go Hi Bob, and insult all the Bob’s on this list. You know for the Bob Newhart show from long along.

Okay, being silly I know.

Could not resist.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Hi Guys!


I have had many women call Linda and me, Guys, as it is just a way of saying hello, etc..

I have seen many women call other women, guys, no pun intended.

Just FYI.

Mike

From: Robert Conner
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:26 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Hi Guys!

DAVID.....I only know of one LADY on here thats does AF train stuff.... So shouldn't it be DAISEYETTE!!!!! Bob

Barb.... We all love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- On Mon, 11/1/10, David Dewey <mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com> wrote:

From: David Dewey <mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hi Guys!
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 12:00 PM

Hi Everyone
Tim mentioned looking up the phrase, "Hi Guys" in the dictionary, where he
got the technical meaning of the phrase. However! I use it in the same way
that Magnum P. I. used it, which is (I'm sure) where I picked it up. And
that use is a generic, friendly way of saying, "Hi Everyone!"
However, I can see how both our meanings can be misinterpreted. RATS! There
goes my colorful slang. . . . .
See Y'all (now that one I can still use!) :)
Uh oh, train related . . .Um, . . . .AH! Another train related phrase is
"Alllll Board! " (at least that's how it's pronounced--it's actually "all
aboard") which means, "Everyone is aboard the train--and if you're not, step
lively or you will be left behind!"
Later dudes! (and daisies)
S'
David D.
Who is getting in deeper, so am stopping my digging! :)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61722 From: Robert Davis Date: 11/2/2010
Subject: New to group needing help
Hello,
The last visit I had with my grandson I discovered his love for model trains.
Upon his departure I dug out my old American Flyer set. I examined, cleaned and
oiled the cars as best I could, (not taking them apart). I then set up a quick
oval and found the train will run. I have since examined the engine more
carefully. I think it really needs help. There is a rubber tire on the wheels
that slide around on the metal tire easily and will need replacing. I also have
no documentation as far as maintenance and lubrication of the engine. My goal is
to get a dependable running setup so my grandson and I can play together.

What I have is a 21160 numbered steam engine. It came from a set numbered 20018,
at least that is the number on the box.

Is there anyplace to get documentation about the care and maintenance of this
equipment? I am really amazed it ran as well as it did considering it age.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61723 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/2/2010
Subject: Tom's Trackwork
A rumor was going around at the Fall S Fest that Tom Stoltz had lost interest and gone out of business. I just heard from a knowledgeable source that this is not true. He had a temporary slow-down in the track business due to the demands of his day-job, but he is still in business.

Tom Hawley



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61724 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Cattle Pen Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 61725 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: New to group needing help
Bob,

The best (and excellent) source of "general maintenance" instructions is
Tom Barker's book, "American Flyer Operating & Repair Manual". It
includes what you are asking about, plus much, much more. Unfortunately,
it is out-of-print now as a book, and not easily found, but Tom has
released it on a CD-ROM with added video clips. You can print out
individual pages or chapters, if desired.

We have it available for $20, and it can be ordered right from our
website AF PARTS CATALOG, under SOFTWARE.





SOFTWARE



(ID: 2308) CD-ROM: AM FLYER OPERATING & REPAIR MANUAL (How-To Guide to
repairing AF); by T. Barker.



$20.00
<http://64.251.10.24/~worldofw/cgi-bin/shoppl.pl/SID=107304376/page=shop
.html/buy=1/item=3095>





<<<Is there anyplace to get documentation about the care and maintenance
of this
equipment? I am really amazed it ran as well as it did considering it
age.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61726 From: John M Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Northern problem
Not more snow but my 322DC Northern. I'm replacing the original motor with a can motor. When I pulled the original and finger turned the drive wheels, I found they were binding or tightening about 1/4 way through, then release, then tighten, ad nauseum.
It appears the rods are not bent or binding but I'm not sure where to look next. Suggestions?
Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 61727 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: Northern problem
John,

I had a similar problem with a 342. After disassembly, cleaning and reassembly, it was binding badly. We had quite the discussion here about quartering, rods on the correct side, etc. It turned out that the holes in the rods were worn. As the rod came over the top it was binding on the front wheel post. It took hours of turning the wheel and drawing mental pictures to figure it out. The solution on the 342 was to peen the back of the front holes closed about 1/32". After that it was smooth as silk. The peen job lasted until I got a new set of rods from Port Lines. It might still be working if replacements weren't available.

That may not be the problem in your case but it's worth a look.

Good luck and Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Not more snow but my 322DC Northern. I'm replacing the original motor with a can motor. When I pulled the original and finger turned the drive wheels, I found they were binding or tightening about 1/4 way through, then release, then tighten, ad nauseum.
> It appears the rods are not bent or binding but I'm not sure where to look next. Suggestions?
> Mac
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61728 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: HO Automotive roadway
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180582839934

My eBay item for sale, in case anyone is in need of some HO automotive roadway.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61729 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: Northern problem
If you have a wheel slipping on an axle it will also cause this problem as it is throwing all of the wheels out of quarter.
Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc

--- On Wed, 11/3/10, John M <macflyer@...> wrote:


From: John M <macflyer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Northern problem
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 11:52 AM


 



Not more snow but my 322DC Northern. I'm replacing the original motor with a can motor. When I pulled the original and finger turned the drive wheels, I found they were binding or tightening about 1/4 way through, then release, then tighten, ad nauseum.
It appears the rods are not bent or binding but I'm not sure where to look next. Suggestions?
Mac











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61730 From: Glenn Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: CONESTOGA & NORTHERN RAILROAD
On Monday I was given a ride on this
private railroad in Conestoga Township,
Lancaster County.

Here is the website for the
Conestoga & Northern Railroad.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/CONESTOGARR.html

The railroad winds through a deep woods
used for Ambush Paintball.
http://www.ambush-paintball.com/

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61731 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: Northern problem
Check for bolts out slightly from the wheels/drivers, catching as part of
the revolution. Have seen that happen rather frequently.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/3/2010 12:12:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
macflyer@... writes:

Not more snow but my 322DC Northern. I'm replacing the original motor
with a can motor. When I pulled the original and finger turned the drive
wheels, I found they were binding or tightening about 1/4 way through, then
release, then tighten, ad nauseum.
It appears the rods are not bent or binding but I'm not sure where to look
next. Suggestions?
Mac



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61732 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out 40' wooden stock cars...
Today's list of found sold out items includes some of our early 40'
wooden stock cars. They can be found at:

http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html

2 00049 Stock Car Unlettered-gray $ 52.95
1 00056 SC Great Northern 53051 $ 52.95
1 00057 SC Great Northern 53083 $ 52.95
2 00059 SC Pennsylvania 12912 $ 52.95
1 00064 SC New York Central 22591 $ 52.95
1 00136 SC Canadian National 10522 $ 52.95
2 00138 SC Missouri Pacific 154092 $ 52.95
1 00149 SC Canadian National 810371 $ 52.95
2 01136 SC ASX #1 $ 52.95
2 01137 SC ASX #2 $ 52.95
3 01138 SC GN 2003 XMAS $ 80.00
1 01139 SC NKP#1 $ 52.95
1 01140 SC NKP#2 $ 52.95
1 01141 SC UP #5 $ 52.95


> The remaining USRA 2 bay open top hopper single cars and 3 car sets
> that we are putting to the e- groups for sale. These have been out
> of stock for sometime now. Many of these are first run schemes or
> first run numbers. First come, first served. Items can be
> purchased using our secure website at:
>

http://showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html

3 01178 USRA B&O 3 car set A $ 129.00 $ 387.00
2 01179 USRA B & O #4 $ 49.95 $ 99.90
2 01192 USRA NYO & W 3 car set $ 129.00 $ 258.00
2 01193 USRA NYO & W #4 $ 49.95 $ 99.90
2 01194 USRA PRR 3 Car Set $ 129.00 $ 258.00
2 01196 USRA RDG 3 Car Set A $ 129.00 $ 199.90 $ 258.00
1 01202 USRA N & W 3 car st A $ 129.00 $ 129.00
1 01203 USRA N & W #4 $ 49.95 $ 49.95
2 01206 USRA Peabody 3 car set A $ 129.00 $ 258.00
2 01207 USRA Peabody #4 $ 49.95 $ 99.90

We still have the following items from last week

http://showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

1 00684 NWX (Yel/grn) 3 car set #1 reefer set $ 159.95

These are at the bottom of the order page. Sorry, no images...

> The remaining extended vision cabooses can be purchased using our
> secure website at:
>
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Cabooses/EVC/evc_in_stock.html
>
>
>
> 1 00243 Caboose Seaboard #2 $ 75
> 1 00599 EVC RDG #1 $ 75
>
>
>
> Standard flatcars with loads, only one left...
>
> Standard Flat Cars with loads
> NP #1
>

> http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html
>
> F3s are all sold out.
>
>
> F7s
> F7A B&M #2
>
> F7 A&B set
> B&M #1
> B&M #2
> PRR#1
> PRR#2
>
> F7 ABA sets
> B&M
>
> The F units have been out of stock for sometime now. Most of these
> are Locomatic (anything AC/DC sound is Locomatic) and we would rather
> sell as such. For our F7s, we will use our original Soundtraxx DCC
> sound (can support an F7 ABBA using MU cables), for the F3s we will
> install the QSI rev. U (will control an AB set). Other options could
> be discussed. Items not sold by Tuesday afternoon, will be brought to
> York. No layaways. No holding for checks.
> First come, first served. Items can be purchased using our secure
> website by purchasing a catalog and in the comments box, indicating
> which units are being purchased. Items are being sold as "New in Box"
> and the warranty will apply. Not available through our dealer network.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61733 From: Lou Date: 11/3/2010
Subject: Blatant Add; Wanted- control box
Hi gang, I'm looking to purchase a used S-Helper #00522 LocoMatic
10 button control box. Please contact me off line with price
if you have one laying around you would like to sell.

Thanks for your time,
Lou Templeton
Group: S-Trains Message: 61734 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/4/2010
Subject: At The Railyard: Pennsylvania Railroad Eastern Region
A neat video even if you aren't interested in MSTS..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZTApgmoZvc

View it in full screen mode


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61735 From: Iron Horse Date: 11/4/2010
Subject: Re: :"S" on TV
Well, the tv station contacted me. Seems they heard about my layout
some where or another. information of my place has been published
several places. Magazines, newspapers, channel 50, etc.
I run AF and scale highrail.
The TV station was here a couple of hours with their equiptment.

What else would you like to know ?

Roger

>Is there something more you would like to tell us about this? :-)
>
>Dale
>
>On 10/24/2010 1:36 PM, Iron Horse wrote:
>>
>> Did you know 's' was on TV this summer ?
>> Af Gilbert yet. I do what I can to promote 's'.
>>
>> Roger Hinds
>>
>> Swing and
>> sway the
>> s gauge way.
>>
>> Ironhorse
>>
>>
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>Enjoy thousands of great photos
>at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>


Ironhorse
Group: S-Trains Message: 61736 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: :"S" on TV
<<What else would you like to know ? >>

Roger

If they put a clip on-line please share the URL

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61737 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Sold out SHS SW1s
We have a few first and 2nd run sold out SW1s now available. These
are sold as "New in the Box" and the warranty applies. They come AC/
DC no sound and include the extras and manual. The cost is $199.95.
We can install a DCC no sound decoder (DH123P) and program with the
roadnumber (or any address requested). The cost for the DCC version
is $239.95. These can be purchased on our secure website at:

http://showcaseline.com/Locos/SW1/sw1_in_stock.html

1 00439 SW-1 Boston & Maine 1113 $ 199.95
2 00444 SW-1 Chicago Northwestern #1215 $ 199.95
1 00446 SW-1 Western Pacific 503 $ 199.95
1 00449 SW-1 PRR #1 5953 $ 199.95
2 00450 SW-1 PRR #2 $ 199.95
1 00454 SW-1 Leigh Valley #115 $ 199.95

other sold out items still for sale can be found at:

http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html


http://showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html


http://showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html


http://showcaseline.com/Cabooses/EVC/evc_in_stock.html

>> 00815 $ 299.95 B & M # 2 AC/DC SND F7A
>> 00932 $ 499.95 B & M #1 AC/DC SND F7AB
>> 00899 $ 199.95 B & M #1 DC n/S F7B
>> 00933 $ 499.95 B & M #2 AC/DC SND F7AB
>> 00990 $ 199.95 B & M #2 DC N/S F7B
>> 00902 $ 699.95 B & M A/C D/C Sound F7ABA
>> 00940 $ 499.95 Penn # 1 AC/DC SND F7AB
>> 00941 $ 499.95 Penn # 2 AC/DC SND F7AB
>> 00997 $ 299.95 Penn #1 AC/DC SND F7B

>



http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61738 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: FW: Jess Bennett
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of warren_chadbourne
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:37 AM
To: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Jess Bennett




Well we lost another great S scale champion. Jess Bennett of Idaho passed
from this world last Friday. He had been fighting cancer for some time now.
His was one of the finest layouts you could ever see. It was featured in
several S publications over the years and he will be greatly missed.
Jess scratch built most of his layout including the brass engines he loved
to run. They were so accurate that you could even compare the rivet
placements and sizes and be in awe. As they say even the bean and rivet
counters would be amazed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61739 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Sad news; Jess Bennett
Rhis just in from Warren Chadbourne

"Well we lost another great S scale champion. Jess Bennett of Idaho passed from this world last Friday. He had been fighting cancer for some time now. His was one of the finest layouts you could ever see. It was featured in several S publications over the years and he will be greatly missed.
Jess scratch built most of his layout including the brass engines he loved to run. They were so accurate that you could even compare the rivet placements and sizes and be in awe. As they say even the bean and rivet counters would be amazed. "

I remember Jess from reading my S Gauge Heralds when they came in the mail. He was a real genius, and from those who knew him personally, a super nice guy. I know he's out of pain now, but a true loss for those of us still on this plain of existance. I'm glad he was able to see S grow into the "minor league" player that it is today--we've come a long way, baby--and Jess was one of the ones who helped make it happen. Godspeed, Jess!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61740 From: Timboy Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Hi Barb, Bill and David!

I've "completed" the section - for now - featuring Timboy Town West. I have also included a pictorial overview of what I have completed to date.

Pics and details at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61741 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Sad news; Jess Bennett
Hi all --

This is not unexpected, but it is still bad news. I was fortunate to have
visited with him in 2008 with the help of Vic Chervin Sr. and Jr.
A real gentleman who had pioneered in many ways, not just his trains.

Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

This just in from Warren Chadbourne ---

"Well we lost another great S scale champion. Jess Bennett of Idaho passed
from this world last Friday. He had been fighting cancer for some time now.
His was one of the finest layouts you could ever see. It was featured in
several S publications over the years and he will be greatly missed.
Jess scratch built most of his layout including the brass engines he loved
to run. They were so accurate that you could even compare the rivet
placements and sizes and be in awe. As they say even the bean and rivet
counters would be amazed. "

I remember Jess from reading my S Gauge Heralds when they came in the mail.
He was a real genius, and from those who knew him personally, a super nice
guy. I know he's out of pain now, but a true loss for those of us still on
this plain of existance. I'm glad he was able to see S grow into the "minor
league" player that it is today--we've come a long way, baby--and Jess was
one of the ones who helped make it happen. Godspeed, Jess!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61742 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Timboy- Thanks for including the "reality" shot of the construction debris at the end. You had us all worried! Where there is a toy train addict, there MUST be a mess somewhere!!! LOL
Jim E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timboy" <Timboy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2010 11:14:00 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Digest Number 5057






Hi Barb, Bill and David!

I've "completed" the section - for now - featuring Timboy Town West. I have also included a pictorial overview of what I have completed to date.

Pics and details at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61743 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: November Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 61744 From: rj4010d Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board that has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can tell me the resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the relay and above the green connector.

Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 61745 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
What are the color bars on the resistor.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "rj4010d" <bjg@...>
Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:33:17
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed

Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board that has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can tell me the resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the relay and above the green connector.

Thanks




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61746 From: rj4010d Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
The resistor is burnt,I need someone who has one to look at thier's & report the color bars ,PLEASE.Thanks! Bob G.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, femiro2002@... wrote:
>
> What are the color bars on the resistor.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "rj4010d" <bjg@...>
> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:33:17
> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
>
> Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board that has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can tell me the resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the relay and above the green connector.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61747 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
I sent your email to DALLEE.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/5/2010 7:41:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bjg@... writes:

Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board
that has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can tell me
the resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the relay and above
the green connector.

Thanks



------------------------------------

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61748 From: preardon4girls Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Truck help
Hey, I know this is probably stupid, (I never did apply for the position of Genius), but I've had a couple of mishaps lately with the screw falling out of the bolster that holds the truck in place (American Models & S-Helper freight cars). Has anyone else had the issue, and if so, can you tell me what you've done to correct the problem?

I'm thinking maybe a drop of glue or "locktite", but I'd rather learn from someone else' experience before heading down the wrong road.

Thanks in Advance,
Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 61749 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/5/2010
Subject: Re: Truck help
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
 
Dear Pat,
I had the same problem with a hopper car ( Christmas bruster) and Don sent me some longer screws to use and that seemed to do the trick for me. In your case a small drop of locktitewill work, but make taking it out harder.
� Thanks,
Alan

--- On Fri, 11/5/10, preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...> wrote:


From: preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Truck help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 7:10 PM


 



Hey, I know this is probably stupid, (I never did apply for the position of Genius), but I've had a couple of mishaps lately with the screw falling out of the bolster that holds the truck in place (American Models & S-Helper freight cars). Has anyone else had the issue, and if so, can you tell me what you've done to correct the problem?

I'm thinking maybe a drop of glue or "locktite", but I'd rather learn from someone else' experience before heading down the wrong road.

Thanks in Advance,
Pat, in Maine








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61750 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Train Shows
I will be selling S scale goods at the Gratiot Valley Club's train show tomorrow, Sunday 7 November. It runs from 10AM to 4PM. It will be at its alternate location -- the Gibraltar Trade Center, 237 North River Rd, Mt Clemens Michigan.

Also mark you calendars for the train show at the MSU Pavilion in East Lansing Michigan -- Sun 21 Nov. Be sure to see the S scale modular layout that will be set up there and ask Dave Wehrwein to point out the ties he made from his neighbor's Linden tree.

Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61751 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 24566 auto carrier, 982 BAR boxcar, and more
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
values (adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.






24566 unpainted New Haven flatcar with
Auto Carrier Truck made in 1961 to 1964. The flatcar is in excellent
condition with all four steps intact and like new lettering. The
blue tractor has one outside rear wheel missing, but I think I recall
seeing some wheels in one of the boxes; I will search for it. The
trailer has all its wheels and no other missing parts. The top
railing was broken in three places; a small dab of Super Glue fixed
each break and noone will ever notice them as the car rolls down the
tracks or sits in your display case. The yellow and blue cars are in
great shape. The orange car is missing its rear axle and wheels.
The red and green cars are missing. Otherwise, the car is a strong
C-6 to weak C-7. Greenberg lists it at $191 in C-7. I'm not sure
how much to deduct for the repairs and missing parts, but my gut says
the car is worth at least $125 or $150.


982 BAR boxcar made in 1956 and 1957. Lettering is
excellent, as is the paint finish, with the exception of a scrape in
the white band on one side, one on the roof, and some aging in the
ends of the white bands. Brake wheel and both door nibs are intact.
Both catwalk ends are broken off, and the bump that holds the door
latch up on one door is missing. Both knuckle couplers close and
latch well, but their springs aren't strong enough to open them.
G+/VG- $75


A few of the many other items I have:


K325 loco with no trailing truck and no
tender.  I haven't checked it out.



boxes of gondolas - probably every 80x, 9xx, and 241xx Gilbert made, and multiple duplicates of most.  Anybody out there want a long string of Southern or Pennsy gondolas?

boxes of hoppers, tank cars, and cabooses (lots of 630s, 638s, and 806s, plus a few others)






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61752 From: Timboy Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Hi Jim!

Thanks! I decided to give myself up on that point and show that I work just as sloppily as everyone else. LOL

I've started work on my next segment that I call Twin Lakes West. It is the westard of two lakes. If you would like to follow my progress on it this week, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61753 From: Lou Templeton Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
It looks like red,black,black,gold.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote:

>
>
> Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board that
> has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can tell me the
> resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the relay and above the
> green connector.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61754 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
You can just go to radio shack with that Info and get one.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...>
Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:33:41
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed

It looks like red,black,black,gold.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote:

>
>
> Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board that
> has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can tell me the
> resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the relay and above the
> green connector.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61755 From: rj4010d Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Thanks for the information. This should help me to get this unit repaired now.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...> wrote:
>
> It looks like red,black,black,gold.
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board that
> > has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can tell me the
> > resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the relay and above the
> > green connector.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61756 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/6/2010
Subject: Sad news; Jess Bennett
Yes, an Icon of S-Gauge has gone to the yard.My partner Sam and I were
privileged to know him. We were able to do a video interview with him just a
short time ago. It will appear in volume 8 of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" in
the future. In that vein, we have a few copies of some of the other volumns
1-7 available on VHS and all are still available on DVD .All are $10. Jess
also appears on one of them from some years ago. His layout is featured in
two of them.
Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise

In a message dated 11/5/2010 10:48:49 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
djdewey@... writes:




Rhis just in from Warren Chadbourne

"Well we lost another great S scale champion. Jess Bennett of Idaho passed
from this world last Friday. He had been fighting cancer for some time
now. His was one of the finest layouts you could ever see. It was featured in
several S publications over the years and he will be greatly missed.
Jess scratch built most of his layout including the brass engines he loved
to run. They were so accurate that you could even compare the rivet
placements and sizes and be in awe. As they say even the bean and rivet counters
would be amazed. "

I remember Jess from reading my S Gauge Heralds when they came in the
mail. He was a real genius, and from those who knew him personally, a super
nice guy. I know he's out of pain now, but a true loss for those of us still
on this plain of existance. I'm glad he was able to see S grow into the
"minor league" player that it is today--we've come a long way, baby--and Jess
was one of the ones who helped make it happen. Godspeed, Jess!
S'
David D.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61757 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: For Sale: 983 MoPac Eagle boxcar
I am helping several people sell their
collections. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book
value (adjusted for condition), but this
should not be interpreted as asking price. Make an offer they can't
refuse!  Please include your address so I can
calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.



Pictures available on request.





983
MoPac Eagle Boxcar made in 1956 and 1957. Lettering is excellent, as
is the paint finish. You can see a couple of irregular spots in the
paint if you hold it up for the light to reflect off it, but they're
not visible under normal viewing. Brake wheel and both door nibs are
intact. One catwalk end is broken off. Both knuckle couplers work
well. There is no rust on the frame or trucks. VG $100






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61758 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Up and Down the Monon
Group: S-Trains Message: 61759 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: The resistor is
22 ohms at 5%
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 61760 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Northern Special
Hello friends and fellow S-Gaugers.  Check out my website
atwww.americanflyertrains4u.com for my Holiday Special on the AF335 Northern for
$350.00.  It's currently   priced at $385.00.  Enjoy this great steamer on your
layout during the Holidays and Winter months ahead.  Be the first one to get
this deal.  Contact me and own this great Northern off line at
biannaco@...  after you view my website.  Have a great CHAT Night
tonight. 
 
Bob 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61761 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Re: S scale figures
Has anyone seen or purchased these S scale figures? Even the OO
scale do not seem to be too small.
Don

http://www.peoplescale.com/L-3-161-0-164-S-SCALE-163-METRIC_c34.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 61762 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/7/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday November 7, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61763 From: Rance and Bente Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Re: Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
Numbers/colors are:
BBROYGBVGW
01 2 345 6 7 8 9
0 = Black
1 = Brown
2 = Red
3 = Orange
4 = yellow
5 = green
6 = Blue
7 = violet
8 = gray
9 = white
Sorry, I've forgotten the actual color values for B and G, but you
probably can look it up on Google - I checked and the above are
correct. The mnemonic is not quite socially correct, so I won't give it
out.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 11/6/2010 12:48 AM, femiro2002@... wrote:
>
> What are the color bars on the resistor.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
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> Subject: [S-Trains] Dallee Turntable Control Help Needed
>
> Help Needed. I have a Dallee 617 turntable motor indexer control board
> that has a burnt resistor. Is there anyone that has a board that can
> tell me the resistor color code. The resistor is located beneath the
> relay and above the green connector.
>
> Thanks
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61764 From: Scott Freeman Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: K-Line Trucks
I am looking for K-Line S-gauge trucks. Does anyone have some or know where I can get them?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61765 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Maple Donut
http://content.comicskingdom.net/Zippy_the_Pinhead/Zippy_the_Pinhead.20101107_large.gif

Since Maple Donut is the official donut of the TCA I hereby present today’s Zippy, quite weird as usual, as Zippy is my home page.

have a dozen glazed soon as you run your trains.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61766 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/7/2010
Subject: Specialize Rail Transport
http://www.srt.cc/

While riding on the C&O Canal today, in 45 degree weather, brr, we saw the usual train activity, lots of freight trains, the Sunday Amtrak from Chicago, saw the Point of Rocks RR station through the trees, as you normally can not see the RR station due to leaves, but we saw a caboose on one freight train, as the caboose was painted blue, looked like a 806 caboose, sorry for all the O gaugers, I do not know the name of this type of caboose, a simple looking caboose with a cupola in the middle.

The train itself had allot of different cars, on it, that you do not see normally. Some where depressed flat cars, like the AF 936.

The caboose had painted on it, Specialized Rail Transport, so I think many of the cars I saw had something to do with this company.

website is above.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61767 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: 2011 S Convention in "S"acramento
Gentlemen...



By now everyone already knows about the NMRA annual convention in 2011 being
a joint convention with the National Association of S Gaugers (NASG). If
not, please click here for some overview information:



http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html



By reading the fine print, you will learn that all of the S-oriented events,
activities and banquet will first be available to registrants who have
checked the NASG box on their registration form. You do not need to be an
NASG member to check this box. Only after a specified cutoff date, will
other non-S persons be allowed to register for S events. Signing up for
events and activities and S convention cars will be accomplished via the
online shopping cart and use of your credit card. None of this is really
new, but bears repeating because..



The shopping cart is very close to "going live". It is being tested and
tweaked as we speak. My guess is that you will be able to see it and use it
within a few weeks - possibly sooner. Thus, you will want to be registered
and keep your eyes open in order to sign up for the activities you really
want to attend. Things like an all-day Amtrak/BART/bus tour of two large S
scale layouts and one exquisite Sn3 layout. Things like a banquet meal
inside the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum. Things like
$25 tables at the all-day S/Sn3 swap meet. And the list goes on..



The early bird gets the worm and once the tickets are sold out, they are
sold out. So if you are inclined to attend, I'd suggest registering now and
waiting with baited breath for the online shopping cart to start breathing
and living. Ask me your S-related questions. Ask the NMRA your non-S
questions. You have questions. We have answers.



"S"ee you in Sacto...Ed Loizeaux



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61768 From: Ed Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: NASG 2011 Convention in "S"acramento
Gents.....(and ladies, too).....

Would you folks like to have a special meeting of just S-Trains list members at the convention? Your cousins over on the S-scale list have such a meeting already set up for their members. This is your chance to meet each other face-to-face and see what they really look like. Some are bald, some are ugly, but we all love AF trains. An opportunity for discussion and conversation on the important topics of the day.

Why not discuss this among yourselves and let me know if you would like to do it. I will need at least one, preferably two, volunteers to run the meeting and coordinate/communicate things to others. I can arrange for the room, tables, chairs, etc. if you all decide to do this. I will also need some sort of estimate as to how many folks will be attending.

Contact me directly if you have any questions. This could be a lot of fun.

"S"ee you in Sacto....Ed Loizeaux
Group: S-Trains Message: 61769 From: femiro2002@yahoo.com Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: K-Line Trucks
Are they not the same as SHS? If not they should be close enough.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...>
Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:36:26
To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line Trucks

I am looking for K-Line S-gauge trucks. Does anyone have some or know where I can get them?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61770 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Zippy comic
http://zippythepinhead.com/

I was told by some that the comic would not open from the link I sent yesterday.

here is the Zippy website, as it has the Sunday comic with Maple Donuts on the home page.

Click the comic to make it bigger.

Warning, Zippy can be habit forming.

Mike Marmer
Owner of Zippy the Pinhead yahoo group.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61771 From: tiga34@att.net Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
Wondering who made the sides to the deck bridges ?
Maybe able to use these on a revamped area of my layout.
WP Scaler
Group: S-Trains Message: 61772 From: Ed Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: NASG 2011 Convention Q&A
> If the dates for the NMRA show are
> the 3rd thru the 9th what dates will
> the NASG concentrate on?, Need to know
> to set vacation days for next year.
> John Griffin

Hi John....

The first purely S scale event is an all-day tour to visit the two largest S scale standard gauge layouts in northern California and one exquisite Sn3 layout as well. This tour will include an Amtrak ride from Sacramento to Richmond, transfer to BART for a ride down to Fremont, then transfer to a bus for a ride to the first leisurely layout visit at the Mighty NYC. More details can be found on our web site at:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

The S scale fun begins early Wednesday morning at the literal crack of dawn and ends Saturday evening at 11:00 pm after the banquet in the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum. You will probably want to arrive Tuesday evening in order to prepare for the Wednesday morning tour.

Now just to complicate things for you, check out the Advance Section information on our web site. As you will see, all kinds of activities start on the Friday BEFORE the official beginning of the convention proper. During the Advance Section, there will be some S scale layouts open for visitors without the need for paying for a train/bus ride tour. You can drive your own car (or a rental car) and get in for free. Of course you will spend more money on hotel and meal expenses, so it is sort of a wash with regard to cost. But some folks prefer to drive themselves and others prefer the social comaraderie of the train/bus ride. Suit yourself since we are offering both.

For additional complications, please note that the Train Collectors Association (TCA) is having their annual convention in Sacramento just one week prior to the NASG/NMRA event. Thus, you can attend the TCA event, the NMRA event and the NASG event all in one trip to "S"acto, CA. Not bad, eh? Where else can you get three model railroad conventions in a two week period?

Regardless of convention dates, you can order the official S scale convention car right now. Details are on the web site right here:

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#convcars

Our Treasurer, Mr. William Roberts, stands ready to accept your payment right now for the sugar beet cars, drop bottom gondola cars and the sugar beet loads. Please specifiy scale or AF-compatible for the RTR (ready to run) cars. Both cars are brand new products with brand new tooling.

I should note that some versions of some cars have less than 50 units left. Might be good to send in your order now since the money will help subsidize other convention expenses such as the not-cheap roundhouse rental fee.

Reading the web site is the best way to figure out what is happening on what days. Please ask more S-oriented questions if the web site does not have the answers.

See you in "S"acto.....Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61773 From: Timboy Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5057
WP Scaler:

I made them! It's easy. I use either masonite or luan. I cut the blank sides and glue them on to my subroadbed sides. Then I glue balsawood slats on the top and bottom. I use the same slats to make the upright supports. The balsawood slats can be bought at Michaels. I buy large bottles of CA on eBay and use that to glue everything up. Some flat black spray paint and some primer spray paint - wet on wet - completes the job. I don't know if my deck bridges are to scaler or not, but I don't really care. Someone on the S-Scale Yahoo list may be able to tell you how to buy or make rivets to put on. I couldn't be bothered with that much detail. Actually, I don't put many details on my scenery. What I do is use a scenic construction method that gives the impression of detail. After all, perception IS reality. LOL

If I make another deck bridge, I'll take pics of the process and post them on my blog.

My blog is at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tiga34@..." <tiga34@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Wondering who made the sides to the deck bridges ?
> Maybe able to use these on a revamped area of my layout.
> WP Scaler
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61774 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: K-Line Trucks
Hi Scott,
� The "S" Helper Service Hi Rail trucks are identical to the K-Line trucks.  The knuckle couplers are also identical with the exception being that K-Line couplers were metal and "S" Helper couplers are plastic.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 11/7/10, Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...> wrote:

From: Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line Trucks
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 6:36 PM







 









I am looking for K-Line S-gauge trucks. Does anyone have some or know where I can get them?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61775 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: S scale figures
Hi Don,
� I have bought these designed figures on ebay.  Those that I bought were 1:50 Scale.  These are also available in HO 1:87 Scale.  I believe they are made by Preiser. The
1:50 Scale figures have a thickness that works well with "S" scale if you shorten the legs to "S".
� Tom Seccia


--- On Sun, 11/7/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S scale figures
To: "e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 2:45 PM







 









Has anyone seen or purchased these S scale figures? Even the OO

scale do not seem to be too small.

Don



http://www.peoplescale.com/L-3-161-0-164-S-SCALE-163-METRIC_c34.htm























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61776 From: John Metzger Date: 11/8/2010
Subject: Re: NASG 2011 Convention in "S"acramento
I think such a meeting would be a very nice thing to do, John.




________________________________
From: Ed <Loizeaux@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 10:36:11 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] NASG 2011 Convention in "S"acramento

 
Gents.....(and ladies, too).....

Would you folks like to have a special meeting of just S-Trains list members at
the convention? Your cousins over on the S-scale list have such a meeting
already set up for their members. This is your chance to meet each other
face-to-face and see what they really look like. Some are bald, some are ugly,
but we all love AF trains. An opportunity for discussion and conversation on the
important topics of the day.


Why not discuss this among yourselves and let me know if you would like to do
it. I will need at least one, preferably two, volunteers to run the meeting and
coordinate/communicate things to others. I can arrange for the room, tables,
chairs, etc. if you all decide to do this. I will also need some sort of
estimate as to how many folks will be attending.


Contact me directly if you have any questions. This could be a lot of fun.

"S"ee you in Sacto....Ed Loizeaux




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61777 From: David Dewey Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Great Model RRs 2011
HI all,
the new MR's "Great Model RRs 2011" has hit the newstands. Besides having a good article on Brooks Stover's S gauge West Virginia Short Line layout, the following pages covers an SP Shasta Division layout with my hometown, Dunsmuir, on the front pages! Too cool. Now if it were just done in S gauge.
At least I can steal some more ideas for my layout!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61778 From: LB Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Hico Dinkyville Handcars
How uncommon are the Hico S gauge Dinkyville handcars? Understand they were made by a company in Sharon Hills PA. There were some very similar handcars made in O gauge in NY under the name Emco. Anyone know anything else about when, where, and by whom these were made? I understand they were making toys, but I can't help noticing how out of scale the men on the handcar are.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 61779 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: "Perception IS reality"
Well said Timboy, this is so true. And this brings up the question of how much detail is enough?
Having worked in every scale from Z up to 1 1/2" scale "ride on" trains, there is some disagreement about the level of detailing required. The avid "scale" model railroaders tend to push the envelope pretty far with detail and I have seen some pretty incredible detailing done over the years. There was even serious debate over the detailing of track and rail code sizes among the On30 folks a few weeks ago. This even extended to track that was highly detailed and then "sunk in overgrowth and mud" to look "weathered!"
The bigger the scale, the more detail can be seen, so there are a group of 1/24 scalers that highly detail trains for Garden Railroads. On the other hand, the gang in the "ride on" scales are pretty lax when it comes to detail in most cases, after all, their trains have to run reliably, and through an out of scale world. By the time you get down to Z scale, really "fine" detail is limited to basics, "can you tell what it is" stuff.
Basically, as a "Hi-railer" in S gauge, I tend to go with making it look good and run reliably. A moving train gets most of the attention, so Timboy is right, the rest of the "world" has just to give the impression of reality. If it is well done, nobody will notice that the buildings are lighted by one giant, out of scale light bulb, or have no furniture in them. Rivets will not be counted on structural steel constructions either, although there are ways to make these if your eyes can find them after the structure is completed.
So the level of detail should be left up to you. Whatever you can live with or do at your skill level is enough. After all, aren't hobbies supposed to be FUN?
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer, around a long time.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61780 From: Timboy Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Re: "Perception IS reality"
Thanks Stumpy!

The discussion of just how much detail to include on a home layout always fascinates me. A few years ago, I had the privilege to critique the first effort of Brooks Stover's Buffalo Creek and Gauley RR. I immediately came up with three points; two of which Brooks accepted. 1) While I thought the scenes he filmed were wonderful, I strongly suggested to him to create a narrative to explain just what we are seeing. He didn't know if he could pull it off, but if you have ever watched his video then I'm sure you would agree that he not only hit a home run; he hit a grand slam with his on-camera and voice overlay. 2) I suggested that his vegetation was too perfect. Mother nature is messy. Would that there was an army of horticulturalists preening and manicuring woodlands and meadows. Just ain't so. Again, he accepted that point and explored making his shrubbery and trees more "wild-looking". 3) I noticed that his steamers didn't smoke. On this point he said that fine-scale artists don't set their steamers up to smoke because smoke can't be modeled and smoke vapors condense on track, scenery, structures, etc. I'll concede the latter, but not the former. Steam locomotives smoke. To see one running down the track not smoking is just absurd. My contention is that if you can't model smoke to a fine-scale standard, I get that, but to eliminate all smoke is more of an issue.

Anyway, I think you made a bunch of terrific points about detail quality and quantity.

I always figure that the folks who might come to see my finished hi-rail layout (if It ever gets finished) will be more in awe of the fact that I literally have a large train room full of mountains, etc. than they will be discriminate to the amount and quality of my detail. And the human mind is a funny processing organ. Things don't have to be perfect for the brain to perceive them as "real". What is important is plausibility. Just look at all the ridiculous scenes in Hollywood movies! But we accept them as real and without too much question.

So, I believe the point is to give the impression of modeled reality and let it go at that. No matter how hard we might try, we cannot build a miniature reality in our basement. That said, I think the effort should be made to make it look pretty and interesting and plausible. If we do a good job of that, then everything else will be either overlooked or forgiven.

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Well said Timboy, this is so true. And this brings up the question of how much detail is enough?
> Having worked in every scale from Z up to 1 1/2" scale "ride on" trains, there is some disagreement about the level of detailing required. The avid "scale" model railroaders tend to push the envelope pretty far with detail and I have seen some pretty incredible detailing done over the years. There was even serious debate over the detailing of track and rail code sizes among the On30 folks a few weeks ago. This even extended to track that was highly detailed and then "sunk in overgrowth and mud" to look "weathered!"
> The bigger the scale, the more detail can be seen, so there are a group of 1/24 scalers that highly detail trains for Garden Railroads. On the other hand, the gang in the "ride on" scales are pretty lax when it comes to detail in most cases, after all, their trains have to run reliably, and through an out of scale world. By the time you get down to Z scale, really "fine" detail is limited to basics, "can you tell what it is" stuff.
> Basically, as a "Hi-railer" in S gauge, I tend to go with making it look good and run reliably. A moving train gets most of the attention, so Timboy is right, the rest of the "world" has just to give the impression of reality. If it is well done, nobody will notice that the buildings are lighted by one giant, out of scale light bulb, or have no furniture in them. Rivets will not be counted on structural steel constructions either, although there are ways to make these if your eyes can find them after the structure is completed.
> So the level of detail should be left up to you. Whatever you can live with or do at your skill level is enough. After all, aren't hobbies supposed to be FUN?
> Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer, around a long time.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61781 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Take a Model Train To Work Day 2010
This year, it is November 19th - A Friday. I work at home, so, I'll just
set up a Christmas loop and watch it run between web crises. What do you
have planned?

Bill

PS - Sorry for the cross posting for those of you with whom I have
several connections

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 61782 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Re: "Perception IS reality"
I remember someone once said that it is impossible to model details with
complete accuracy. Even the scale modelers have to draw the line
somewhere. The key, as you said, is to create the appearance, or
perhaps even the illusion, of reality. Even John Allen, who included
many "details" on his layout, did not appear to obsess over the total
accuracy of the details. Figures were molded from clay and rails were
spiked every 4 or 5 ties. He also used grossly out of scale Baker
couplers, but the appearance was of a world with exceptional detail.

As tinplate or hi railers, we can always take solace in the words of
Warren Frost, who once said that our trains are real, "real toy trains."

Dale Smith

On 11/9/2010 8:16 AM, Timboy wrote:
>
> Thanks Stumpy!
>
> The discussion of just how much detail to include on a home layout
> always fascinates me. A few years ago, I had the privilege to critique
> the first effort of Brooks Stover's Buffalo Creek and Gauley RR. I
> immediately came up with three points; two of which Brooks accepted.
> 1) While I thought the scenes he filmed were wonderful, I strongly
> suggested to him to create a narrative to explain just what we are
> seeing. He didn't know if he could pull it off, but if you have ever
> watched his video then I'm sure you would agree that he not only hit a
> home run; he hit a grand slam with his on-camera and voice overlay. 2)
> I suggested that his vegetation was too perfect. Mother nature is
> messy. Would that there was an army of horticulturalists preening and
> manicuring woodlands and meadows. Just ain't so. Again, he accepted
> that point and explored making his shrubbery and trees more
> "wild-looking". 3) I noticed that his steamers didn't smoke. On this
> point he said that fine-scale artists don't set their steamers up to
> smoke because smoke can't be modeled and smoke vapors condense on
> track, scenery, structures, etc. I'll concede the latter, but not the
> former. Steam locomotives smoke. To see one running down the track not
> smoking is just absurd. My contention is that if you can't model smoke
> to a fine-scale standard, I get that, but to eliminate all smoke is
> more of an issue.
>
> Anyway, I think you made a bunch of terrific points about detail
> quality and quantity.
>
> I always figure that the folks who might come to see my finished
> hi-rail layout (if It ever gets finished) will be more in awe of the
> fact that I literally have a large train room full of mountains, etc.
> than they will be discriminate to the amount and quality of my detail.
> And the human mind is a funny processing organ. Things don't have to
> be perfect for the brain to perceive them as "real". What is important
> is plausibility. Just look at all the ridiculous scenes in Hollywood
> movies! But we accept them as real and without too much question.
>
> So, I believe the point is to give the impression of modeled reality
> and let it go at that. No matter how hard we might try, we cannot
> build a miniature reality in our basement. That said, I think the
> effort should be made to make it look pretty and interesting and
> plausible. If we do a good job of that, then everything else will be
> either overlooked or forgiven.
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well said Timboy, this is so true. And this brings up the question
> of how much detail is enough?
> > Having worked in every scale from Z up to 1 1/2" scale "ride on"
> trains, there is some disagreement about the level of detailing
> required. The avid "scale" model railroaders tend to push the envelope
> pretty far with detail and I have seen some pretty incredible
> detailing done over the years. There was even serious debate over the
> detailing of track and rail code sizes among the On30 folks a few
> weeks ago. This even extended to track that was highly detailed and
> then "sunk in overgrowth and mud" to look "weathered!"
> > The bigger the scale, the more detail can be seen, so there are a
> group of 1/24 scalers that highly detail trains for Garden Railroads.
> On the other hand, the gang in the "ride on" scales are pretty lax
> when it comes to detail in most cases, after all, their trains have to
> run reliably, and through an out of scale world. By the time you get
> down to Z scale, really "fine" detail is limited to basics, "can you
> tell what it is" stuff.
> > Basically, as a "Hi-railer" in S gauge, I tend to go with making it
> look good and run reliably. A moving train gets most of the attention,
> so Timboy is right, the rest of the "world" has just to give the
> impression of reality. If it is well done, nobody will notice that the
> buildings are lighted by one giant, out of scale light bulb, or have
> no furniture in them. Rivets will not be counted on structural steel
> constructions either, although there are ways to make these if your
> eyes can find them after the structure is completed.
> > So the level of detail should be left up to you. Whatever you can
> live with or do at your skill level is enough. After all, aren't
> hobbies supposed to be FUN?
> > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer, around a long time.
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61783 From: Bill Drake Date: 11/9/2010
Subject: Re: Hico Dinkyville Handcars
I have a couple of both the S gauge and the O gauge versions along with the
trolleys they made. The plastic molded parts are the same on both gauges. The
chassis are different to accomodate the different wheelset gauges. Products came
out under the Heco, Emco and General Models names with the same contents in the
boxes. In some cases the graphics and punch outs of the lids are the same with a
different brand name in the printing. I don't think they are too common but show
up on ebay from time to time. Plastic parts are usually blue and yellow but red
shows up from time to time.

Bill Drake




________________________________
From: LB <hblanier@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 8:57:35 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Hico Dinkyville Handcars

 
How uncommon are the Hico S gauge Dinkyville handcars? Understand they were made
by a company in Sharon Hills PA. There were some very similar handcars made in O
gauge in NY under the name Emco. Anyone know anything else about when, where,
and by whom these were made? I understand they were making toys, but I can't
help noticing how out of scale the men on the handcar are.

paflyrman







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61784 From: Bill Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: For Sale - American Flyer and Modified American Flyer
Have the following trains for sale. Prices are suggested. Make offer. Shipping by UPS insured. Will send photos upon request.

Reading Railroad fans:

Once was a Flyer GP7 - Now painted and decaled Reading 608 no number boards, knuckle couplers. $150

Once was a Flyer GP7 - Now modified to a low nose Geep with a snow plow and dynamic brake, painted yellow and green and decaled Reading 3401, number boards painted over, knuckle couplers. $150

Flyonel:

Baltimore and Ohio PA-PA by Lionel, missing one horn. $200

Gilbert:

370 has knuckle couplers. side frame off one truck. some side frames black. cab roof has been repainted, some dings and paint wear, cab decals missing, stripe decals present. $125

718 red plastc finish Mail Car, lettering strong, Die cast frame, light rust on door, shell loose from frame, link couplers with black weights. $30

Thanks,

Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 61785 From: Bill Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: for sale - forgot to add - please contact off list
forgot to include - please contact off list
ee_train@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61786 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: TWO Train Shows of Note
Ladies & Gentlemen,

The GREAT ALLENTOWN "FIRST TRAIN FROST" MEET is this weekend, Nov 13 & 14
at AG Hall on the Allentown Fairgrounds, PA. $ 7.00 admission, 12 & under
FREE, over 650 table of trains of all ages and gauges, something for
Everyone.
I am taking my new WARDIE JAY "S" flatcars w/lumber loads ( VERY limited at
the moment) & TinPLate Ties, PLUS remaining SHS track, locos, sets and
cars, along with MUCH HO, O, O-27 etc. I am at NT 1 thru 4, in the NEW
section, stop by and say HI. The ATMA crew does a First Class job BOTH Saturday
& Sunday.
_www.allentowntrainmeet.com_ (http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com)

SATURDAY NOV 20 The Keystone Div of TCA will sponsor their ANNUAL meet
before Thanksgiving at St Philips R C Church in Millersville, PA. LOTS of
FREE Parking, Doors open at 9 AM, Open til 1 PM.
$4. 00 per adult, 12 & under FREE. Bring the kids & the camera, SANTA
will be there for photo ops with the kids FREE. 3 layouts to be in
attendence, 2 "S", 1 "O" Modular--you three rail folks can bring an engine to run on
the 3 rail modular layout, they do ask for a donation. The Kiddie
Ride-On train is expected to be there and possibly train races IF we can find the
space.
100 tables of trains of ALL ages and gauges for sale. Breakfast and
Lunch available, ALWAYS good cooking from the Church Men's Club. St Philips is
at the corner of PA 741 & 999 in Millersville, PA
_www.keystonetca.org_ (http://www.keystonetca.org)

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61787 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: ATMA Typo
Apparently when I pulled the rope to re-start the puter, some words jumped
around. The Allentown Train Meet is "FIRST FROST", held at AG Hall on the
Allentown ( PA ) Fairgrounds, Chew St, Allentown, PA, several blocks north
of PA RT 222, close to U S 78 & PA 22, 309, etc.

I JUST received word that I WILL HAVE the new DALLEE lighting boards (
all sizes) AND the NEW 10 AMP electronic E-unit.

Will also have TCA apps for anyone who wants to sign up a friend on the
spot. Table NT-1

Sorry for the typo,
Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61788 From: Timboy Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: What has happened?
Why is this List populated mostly by salesmen? What happened to the builders? Has everything been built? I don't think so!

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61789 From: Bill Drake Date: 11/10/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Tim -

I have been following your saga and appreciate the work in doing the
construction and sharing. I have a finished attic space to become the train
room, but this house has about 1/3 of the floor space for trains as the last and
I have to thin out the boxes of stuff to make room to do the construction of the
layout. Thought the group would appreciate first crack at the S gauge items.
When the surplus is gone I expect to flatter you by emulating your style in
sharing the construction of the train room. It is 15 feet by 23 feet with two
five foot by five foor dormers at the narrow ends. It is looking like an around
the edges layout as the roof line makes it a low bridge to walk at the edges.
Center has seven and a half foot ceiling about 4 by 18. The stairs come up in
the center of one of the long sides and subject to some testing, it looks like
it is possible to bridge the stairs  and do a full around the edges mainline.
Otherwise it will be necessary to do a dog bone layout. Space is heated and
airconditioned so far but will need to have lighting and power enhanced before
constructing the benchwork. Another challenge will be fitting in small layouts
for the prewar Flyer, the HO Flyer and the Standard Gauge Flyer - I am thinking
of double decking to do some of these. The knee walls should permit the S gauge
layout to be about 36 inches above the floor so the low decks can be about 12
inches above the floor and should still be visible below the top deck.

There is some more surplus to come but I can list it only on the available S
Gauge group if it is bothering folks to include it here.

Thanks,

Bill Drake
trains in the attic in St. Louis




________________________________
From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 8:09:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] What has happened?

 
Why is this List populated mostly by salesmen? What happened to the builders?
Has everything been built? I don't think so!


Timboy







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61790 From: May Cunningham Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: Re: For Sale - American Flyer and Modified American Flyer
Hello  Like to see photos of the engines you have to offer.

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, Bill <ee_train@...> wrote:


From: Bill <ee_train@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale - American Flyer and Modified American Flyer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 12:40 PM


 



Have the following trains for sale. Prices are suggested. Make offer. Shipping by UPS insured. Will send photos upon request.

Reading Railroad fans:

Once was a Flyer GP7 - Now painted and decaled Reading 608 no number boards, knuckle couplers. $150

Once was a Flyer GP7 - Now modified to a low nose Geep with a snow plow and dynamic brake, painted yellow and green and decaled Reading 3401, number boards painted over, knuckle couplers. $150

Flyonel:

Baltimore and Ohio PA-PA by Lionel, missing one horn. $200

Gilbert:

370 has knuckle couplers. side frame off one truck. some side frames black. cab roof has been repainted, some dings and paint wear, cab decals missing, stripe decals present. $125

718 red plastc finish Mail Car, lettering strong, Die cast frame, light rust on door, shell loose from frame, link couplers with black weights. $30

Thanks,

Bill Drake











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61791 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Bill:

That's wonderful news! I wholeheartedly encourage you to pursue your dream. Several people on this forum have built their layouts online by making regular updates and posting pics to this forum. Some people involved in S gauge have a website to show off their efforts, but only three people that I know of have opened up interactive blogs to take that concept further. I hope you can see your way clear to open up a blog to chronicle your efforts as well. I think it would be fantastic to follow your progress. Perhaps we can be the inspiration for many who come after us to do the same thing. Maybe our efforts would go a long way to stimulate the hobby we love and at the same time, take a form of social networking to a new high. OBTW, I apologize if it sounded like I was picking on you on my previous post. It's frustrating to see all the posts on all the vintage train forums about everything under the sun concerning vintage toy trains - except building a layout to run them on. It's not that way on the HO and N gauge forums. Those guys build! Actively! We should too, IMHO!

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:
>
> Tim -
>
> I have been following your saga and appreciate the work in doing the
> construction and sharing. I have a finished attic space to become the train
> room, but this house has about 1/3 of the floor space for trains as the last and
> I have to thin out the boxes of stuff to make room to do the construction of the
> layout. Thought the group would appreciate first crack at the S gauge items.
> When the surplus is gone I expect to flatter you by emulating your style in
> sharing the construction of the train room. It is 15 feet by 23 feet with two
> five foot by five foor dormers at the narrow ends. It is looking like an around
> the edges layout as the roof line makes it a low bridge to walk at the edges.
> Center has seven and a half foot ceiling about 4 by 18. The stairs come up in
> the center of one of the long sides and subject to some testing, it looks like
> it is possible to bridge the stairs  and do a full around the edges mainline.
> Otherwise it will be necessary to do a dog bone layout. Space is heated and
> airconditioned so far but will need to have lighting and power enhanced before
> constructing the benchwork. Another challenge will be fitting in small layouts
> for the prewar Flyer, the HO Flyer and the Standard Gauge Flyer - I am thinking
> of double decking to do some of these. The knee walls should permit the S gauge
> layout to be about 36 inches above the floor so the low decks can be about 12
> inches above the floor and should still be visible below the top deck.
>
> There is some more surplus to come but I can list it only on the available S
> Gauge group if it is bothering folks to include it here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Drake
> trains in the attic in St. Louis
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 8:09:29 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] What has happened?
>
>  
> Why is this List populated mostly by salesmen? What happened to the builders?
> Has everything been built? I don't think so!
>
>
> Timboy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61792 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Hey Everyone:

I wish to announce that I have depth! People on this forum my view me in many ways, but no one has ever made that comment about me! LOL

For THE pic - please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to the last pic. :) :) :) :) :)

Regards,

Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> That's wonderful news! I wholeheartedly encourage you to pursue your dream. Several people on this forum have built their layouts online by making regular updates and posting pics to this forum. Some people involved in S gauge have a website to show off their efforts, but only three people that I know of have opened up interactive blogs to take that concept further. I hope you can see your way clear to open up a blog to chronicle your efforts as well. I think it would be fantastic to follow your progress. Perhaps we can be the inspiration for many who come after us to do the same thing. Maybe our efforts would go a long way to stimulate the hobby we love and at the same time, take a form of social networking to a new high. OBTW, I apologize if it sounded like I was picking on you on my previous post. It's frustrating to see all the posts on all the vintage train forums about everything under the sun concerning vintage toy trains - except building a layout to run them on. It's not that way on the HO and N gauge forums. Those guys build! Actively! We should too, IMHO!
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@> wrote:
> >
> > Tim -
> >
> > I have been following your saga and appreciate the work in doing the
> > construction and sharing. I have a finished attic space to become the train
> > room, but this house has about 1/3 of the floor space for trains as the last and
> > I have to thin out the boxes of stuff to make room to do the construction of the
> > layout. Thought the group would appreciate first crack at the S gauge items.
> > When the surplus is gone I expect to flatter you by emulating your style in
> > sharing the construction of the train room. It is 15 feet by 23 feet with two
> > five foot by five foor dormers at the narrow ends. It is looking like an around
> > the edges layout as the roof line makes it a low bridge to walk at the edges.
> > Center has seven and a half foot ceiling about 4 by 18. The stairs come up in
> > the center of one of the long sides and subject to some testing, it looks like
> > it is possible to bridge the stairs  and do a full around the edges mainline.
> > Otherwise it will be necessary to do a dog bone layout. Space is heated and
> > airconditioned so far but will need to have lighting and power enhanced before
> > constructing the benchwork. Another challenge will be fitting in small layouts
> > for the prewar Flyer, the HO Flyer and the Standard Gauge Flyer - I am thinking
> > of double decking to do some of these. The knee walls should permit the S gauge
> > layout to be about 36 inches above the floor so the low decks can be about 12
> > inches above the floor and should still be visible below the top deck.
> >
> > There is some more surplus to come but I can list it only on the available S
> > Gauge group if it is bothering folks to include it here.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill Drake
> > trains in the attic in St. Louis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Timboy <Timboy@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 8:09:29 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] What has happened?
> >
> >  
> > Why is this List populated mostly by salesmen? What happened to the builders?
> > Has everything been built? I don't think so!
> >
> >
> > Timboy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61793 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/11/2010
Subject: What has happened?
Timboy...What no German U-boat in that water? Heck John Allen switched cars with a Stegosaurus, and had two enormous conductors known as the Sorfeetz Brothers.
Model railroading and Toy Trains are two very different hobbies. This is something that I learned quickly many years ago by working in a hobby shop. The S Trains group has a majority of collectors and restorers on it. There is little interest in building anything beyond a basic layout to display and run old Toy trains in many cases because that is their focus in the hobby.
That being said, they are mostly good folks and there are also enough "mavericks" like me who tend to blur the lines of both categories. Since I became known as a builder, butcher of old Toy trains, and all around fan of "the dark side" by going to DC can motors in my stuff, others have come forward more easily who like to build things.
There is a "sub-culture" of junk box restorers and customizers on this group, and many people building layouts and being VERY creative!
With the economy in the tank and real recoverey years away, I think you will see more building and less buying in the future.
But no matter how you play with S gauge trains, remember to have FUN! The "real" world is more than depressing enough as it is.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and other less savory names.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61794 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: CHILDREN YOU GATTA LOVE EM
My web site is up & running after 3 years....Children...Ah..
Anormal1.com


Michael Strickland
Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Or
97501


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61795 From: michael prell Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
In other words, there's room enough in our zaney little world for both. It was meant to be fun when it started and as far as I can see it still is. As far as switching stuff around, an old girl friend once gave me my Cow on a Track way back in the 60's. It came with no operating switch, so I used half of a flyer turn out control. Worked fine. Later when my two kids came along I removed Bessy and added a small T-Rex! The kids loved it. Now the cow is back only because the lizzard didn't quite go with what I'm doing. Also, I I don't want to get sued by the Gico Lizzard for copyright infringement LOL. Bottom line. If it works for you, go for it and enjoy. And as an olf buddy of mine once told me, Frig 'em if they can't take a joke!
MLP


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 11/11/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:What has happened?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 8:17 PM


 



Timboy...What no German U-boat in that water? Heck John Allen switched cars with a Stegosaurus, and had two enormous conductors known as the Sorfeetz Brothers.
Model railroading and Toy Trains are two very different hobbies. This is something that I learned quickly many years ago by working in a hobby shop. The S Trains group has a majority of collectors and restorers on it. There is little interest in building anything beyond a basic layout to display and run old Toy trains in many cases because that is their focus in the hobby.
That being said, they are mostly good folks and there are also enough "mavericks" like me who tend to blur the lines of both categories. Since I became known as a builder, butcher of old Toy trains, and all around fan of "the dark side" by going to DC can motors in my stuff, others have come forward more easily who like to build things.
There is a "sub-culture" of junk box restorers and customizers on this group, and many people building layouts and being VERY creative!
With the economy in the tank and real recoverey years away, I think you will see more building and less buying in the future.
But no matter how you play with S gauge trains, remember to have FUN! The "real" world is more than depressing enough as it is.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and other less savory names.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61796 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Stumpy,

You have made some good points. I need to find some whimsy stuff. I think we all like whimsy on a hi-rail or toy train layout. I believe a hi-rail layout is the perfect medium to do so many things that would either be verboten on a fine-scale RR or just not possible on a toy train layout.

I don't think Flyer trains lend themselves especially well to most folks for a large layout of any type. They were designed to be run around the bottom of a Christmas tree and that is roughly the size of one sheet of plywood. To do anything worth doing that keeps the interest alive for an extended amount of time, it takes at least the size of 3 sheets of plywood, IMHO. And most folks simply do not have the room and even if they did, it would be filled with other stuff that has more general appeal to the rest of the family. But people sometimes do like to see them run, so they put up that one or two sheets of plywood, cover it with indoor/outdoor carpet and lay down a couple loops. That's about as far as it usually goes for most folks. OTOH, you take a sheet of plywood and stand it upright lengthwise, attach it to a wall and add shelves. That amount of space in that orientation lends itself very well to displaying a good quantity of collectible pieces. Most everybody has room to do that and humans are animals that like to collect things, myself included. And there you have it, which is why people like me, Barb, Micheal and probably a few other people who I don't really know about that can and do have a sizable layout are kinda few and far between. I could be wrong and usually am, but that is how I currently see it.

I've completed my Twin Lakes West project for now - until I get that German U boat. LOL I have moved on and started the Timboy Town East section. I'm always looking for a cheaper and faster construction method that yields good scenic results, so I'm experimenting with cheesecloth as a base for the plaster hard shell. I'm posting pics of this new section as a new post on my blog. To follow my progress, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Timboy...What no German U-boat in that water? Heck John Allen switched cars with a Stegosaurus, and had two enormous conductors known as the Sorfeetz Brothers.
> Model railroading and Toy Trains are two very different hobbies. This is something that I learned quickly many years ago by working in a hobby shop. The S Trains group has a majority of collectors and restorers on it. There is little interest in building anything beyond a basic layout to display and run old Toy trains in many cases because that is their focus in the hobby.
> That being said, they are mostly good folks and there are also enough "mavericks" like me who tend to blur the lines of both categories. Since I became known as a builder, butcher of old Toy trains, and all around fan of "the dark side" by going to DC can motors in my stuff, others have come forward more easily who like to build things.
> There is a "sub-culture" of junk box restorers and customizers on this group, and many people building layouts and being VERY creative!
> With the economy in the tank and real recoverey years away, I think you will see more building and less buying in the future.
> But no matter how you play with S gauge trains, remember to have FUN! The "real" world is more than depressing enough as it is.
> Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and other less savory names.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61797 From: Tedd Flyers Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Timboy,

I've enjoyed reading your blog and watching the progress of your layout.  Could you give a rundown on the electrical side of your layout to include power supplies, wiring, and any special control blocks used, etc?

Thanks and keep up the good work (and having fun),
Tom Druga















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Group: S-Trains Message: 61798 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Tom,

I have a post on my blog that addresses my power plans. I went out to my blog and updated it to hopefully answer your questions. Here is the address for that specific post on my blog:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-track-power-plans.html

If for some odd reason, the above link doesn't post well, then simply go out to my blog and look in August, for a post titled, "My Track Power Plans".

The master address for my blog is:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/


Take a look and if you need clarification, please don't hesitate...

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tedd Flyers <hellonc99@...> wrote:
>
> Timboy,
>
> I've enjoyed reading your blog and watching the progress of your layout.  Could you give a rundown on the electrical side of your layout to include power supplies, wiring, and any special control blocks used, etc?
>
> Thanks and keep up the good work (and having fun),
> Tom Druga
>
>
>
>
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>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61799 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
<< I've completed my Twin Lakes West project for now - until I get that German U boat. LOL >>

Postwar trains need a postwar boat..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYb_2hECbUM&feature=related


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61800 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: Fw: Unbelievable
Some of you have seen the finished pictures of my layout, as I do have a photo album on the list, but have not updated it for some time.

I am on the TCA list and I think David Dewey, Bruce DeGailler, Sr. and I are the only S people on the list for the TCA. It is usually me writing about 2 rail track vs. 3 rail track in fun. Oh wait, Jim Lyle is on the list, sorry Jim, I almost missed you here.

Anyway, Doug, below and I go at it in fun and today I sent him pictures of my layout.

Here is his reply below from a O gauger, as many O gaugers, do not know much about AF or the new products for S today.

Doug wrote some nice things about the layout and Linda and me.

I have been in touch with Roger Carp till August as I told him the layout was done, as he said he would get back to me, as last year he was pushing me to get the layout done for the magazine. Well, it is done. LOL I just emailed him about it.

My layout does not have fancy landscaping, mountains, two level track, but it has a personality of its own, as the ideas just came as I went along. I got kits from BTS, Bar Mills, GCLaser, and some others, it has Plasticville on it that is painted and blends in well. It has AF accessories on it and they blend in well. It has has track on it from www.classictrains.com with their scale crushed ballast as Roger really like the ballast on it. It is a good mix of AF thing and scale things using S Helper trains, cars and engines and some AF converted to DCC engines with several DCC action AF cars.

And the baseball field with all the AF smoke fluid funnels on the baseball lights, all 64 bulbs.

Many ideas come from several on this list and the TCA list, as well as from Linda. Hence the Apple Orchard she has on the layout.

Anyway, just thought I would share what someone in O gauge who had no idea about S had to say about it.

Thank you for reading.

Mike Marmer

From: Doug
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 7:47 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: Unbelievable

Hi, Mike...

What a labor of love that layout is! And how proud you must be for all the joy that both Linda and the trains must bring into your life. You are one lucky guy, I hope you know that.

What I find so outstanding about your layout is the observation that it is not all junked up with clap-trap pieces of rubbish. So many model train layouts lack only the kitchen sink, but they are just a thoughtless hodge-podge of toy-like stuff. I do not see that anywhere in evidence on your painstakingly accurate design and implementation. It's as though we were viewing a real-world scene from a little helicopter hovering over the layout. You have gone to incredible ends to make everything as reminiscent of the prototypical as you possibly could.

Until you sent me those great pictures�and thanks tons for going to all the work in assembling them for me�I would read your posts on the TTML, but I could not appreciate what you were writing about. The pictures change everything!

My own "retro O-27 Lionel layout" is still in the design stage while I put the finishing touches to a year-long project of hand-crafting 50 DVDs of my high school reunion. I organized it, I did the videography (over an hour's worth) and then I was elected class historian when we all got together in August of 2009.

Thank you once again, Mike, for taking the time to share your love and passion about "S" gauge/scale with me. You have every right to toot that horn of yours just as loudly as you can!!!

Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61801 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/12/2010
Subject: What has happened?
Brady...I disagree! The Seaveiw was a "futuristic" Hollywood sub in the sixties that was supposed to happen in the seventies (gee, the future looked different back then didn't it?)
A "war surplus" U-boat would be more "era correct" and fits the time of steam and early diesels. Or maybe a U.S. Fleet Submarine?
On the other hand, I loved "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" when I was a kid, both the movie and the TV series! I'm originally from Richard Basehart's (Admiral Nelson in the TV show) home town of Zanesville, Ohio, and met him once. Nice guy.
Thanks for the heads up on the "Voyage" stuff, it brought back a lot of memories.
Stumpy Stone...ah, to be young again and excited about things that "could be."
Group: S-Trains Message: 61802 From: Dave Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: LED Head Light Unit "CONSTANT LIGHT"
NEW ITEM ARRIVING SOON

We will have a replacement head light unit for your AMERICAN FLYER steam engines which will feature a WHITE LED BULB with a CONSTANT LIGHTING feature (light is on as long as current is applied to the motor w/ no varience in intensity. Approx 5 volts). This unit may also be used in the tender for BACK UP LIGHTING. Each unit will be furnished with printed instructions for installation.
PRICE including shipping USPS First Class in USA: $12.99
Group: S-Trains Message: 61803 From: BILL COCHRAN Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
So am I from zville!

--- On Fri, 11/12/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:What has happened?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 10:56 PM


Brady...I disagree!  The Seaveiw was a "futuristic" Hollywood sub in the sixties that was supposed to happen in the seventies (gee, the future looked different back then didn't it?)
A "war surplus" U-boat would be more "era correct" and fits the time of steam and early diesels.  Or maybe a U.S. Fleet Submarine?
On the other hand, I loved "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" when I was a kid, both the movie and the TV series!  I'm originally from Richard Basehart's (Admiral Nelson in the TV show) home town of Zanesville, Ohio, and met him once.  Nice guy.
Thanks for the heads up on the "Voyage" stuff, it brought back a lot of memories.
Stumpy Stone...ah, to be young again and excited about things that "could be."




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61804 From: thorn142010 Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Skid Row Decal Series
Hello S-Trains Group,

You might want to lock your doors. You're about to drive through the seedy part of the city. You know ... the section of town across the tracks where all the riff raff hangs out. The area where pawn shops, tattoo parlors, and gentlemen's clubs make up the landscape. After all, even the nicest of layouts can fall victim to hard times.

The Skid Row Series waterslide decals from T2 are made from pictures of real signs as they appear today, to add realistic detail to your layout. Professionally printed, the color and quality of these easy-to-use decals is exceptional.

For a limited time introductory offer I will be offering a 20% discount for members of of the S-Trains group when you buy all 6 sets from the Skid Row series. Please email me at Thorn142002@... for details.

You can check out all of my decal offerings by clicking the following links to my ebay store:

HO Skid Row Series
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=Ho+Skid+Row&_sacat=0&_odkw=&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313

HO Ghost Signs
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N Scale Ghost Signs
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O Scale Ghost Signs
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HO Scale Graffiti
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N Scale Graffiti
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HO Circus Sideshow
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Please write or call with any questions and as always Happy Modeling!

Todd Thornberry
T2 Decals
Thorn142002@...
262-853-0566
Group: S-Trains Message: 61805 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: coal loads
Hobby Loads G O S HO
Coal loads 936 Moyer Rd. Newport News, VA 23608
(757) 877-7152


I know that coal loads from S Helper are out of stock due to the China situation, but I found a brochure on product for coal loads.

I saw them once at a show and no two are alike, very well made.

he does not have a website, however, as I got the above from a Google search on a train website for makers of product.

His name is Wilson Harrell a very nice man, as at this time they where 8 a piece or a 10% off for 10 or more.

Code for S Helper 2 bay load is 0444-1

He makes them for AF and AM products too.

No email address on the brochure.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61806 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: What has happened?
Stumpy

<< The Seaveiw was a "futuristic" Hollywood sub in the sixties that was
supposed to happen in the seventies (gee, the future looked different
back then didn't it?) >>

Good point, I had forgotten that it was set in the future. As far as
"the future" goes, I'm still waiting for my jetpack:-)

<< A "war surplus" U-boat would be more "era correct" and fits the time
of steam and early diesels. Or maybe a U.S. Fleet Submarine? >>

A Fleet submarine would be perfect!


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61807 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Thanks to a couple of $20 coaches found at a local show, we (finally)
have passenger service..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/16.JPG


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61808 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Nice looking cars for 20 each.

Good for you.

Mike

From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:44 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [S-Trains] Building a Small American Flyer Layout


Thanks to a couple of $20 coaches found at a local show, we (finally)
have passenger service..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/16.JPG

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61809 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/13/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Looks good Brady.

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brady Burdge
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:45 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Building a Small American Flyer Layout

Thanks to a couple of $20 coaches found at a local show, we (finally)
have passenger service..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/16.JPG


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61810 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out SW9s and 2 bay PS2 covered hoppers...
We have a C&O and MEC tuscan sold out SWps now available. These
are sold as "New in the Box" and the warranty applies. They come AC/
DC no sound and include the extras and manual. We can install a DCC
no sound decoder (DH123P) for an extra $30 or a Tsunami DCC sound
decoder.
roadnumber (or any address requested). These can be purchased on our
secure website at:

http://showcaseline.com/Locos/SW9/sw9_in_stock.html

We have several sought after 2wo bay PS2s that are sold out and can be
found at:

http://showcaseline.com/Hoppers/2BayPS2/2bayps2_in_stock.html

other sold out items still for sale can be found at:

http://showcaseline.com/Locos/SW1/sw1_in_stock.html

http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html

http://showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html

http://showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

http://showcaseline.com/Cabooses/EVC/evc_in_stock.html

http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61811 From: Brady Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Mike & Bill

Thanks, always nice to find stuff on your want list at a great price

BTW - seems that my recent purchases accidentally put together a 1948 set..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/17.JPG

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/temp/Page17.jpg


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61812 From: grant bishop Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Brady

3 cars with the same shade of red!
I swear ever one of my passenger cars have a different shade of red or
green!
....or maybe I need new glasses

Craigslist is another good source of cheap flyer

Go the local Craigslist for your city and put in 'Trains' into the search
box

You will get a lot of junk: mainly Thomas the train but occasional a 'flyer'
will come up too!

Good Luck

Grant



Grant Bishop

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61813 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Small Layout
The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has a modular layout that
can be as large as 26 by 60 feet. Each time the layout is set up it is different
depending on who shows up with their modules.

However, this layout takes from 4 to 8 hours to set up, depending on the number
of modules and people available. This is far too long for the many half-day
shows in our area and is not feasible to take to hospitals and retirement homes.

So the Club is building a separate highly portable tabletop layout which is only
52 inches wide and 114 inches long. It is an over-and-under figure eight with
double passing tracks top and bottom. This allows us to run 3 trains (4 are
possible) at all times, introducing plenty of action for visitors. Best of all
it is constructed of 1 inch foam on 1/8 inch plywood, so it is very lightweight.
It easily fits into a mid-sized (or larger) pickup truck, the 4 sections can
easily be carried by one person, and it takes only 20 minutes to set up (or
teardown). To see the layout (which needs additional scenicking) in both
pictures and movies, go to: http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/CD/CD_shows2.html.

Joe
 
Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
################.Authorized Lionel Service Station.######################
joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 61814 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Video Progress Report
Hi Folks,
Please forgive the cross-posting for those of you who share multiple
lists with me. I uploaded a short video showing all 4 loops running on
the new Zilwaukee, Okeechobee and Tremungus railroad. I kept my hands
off the train controls and left out any music for this progress report.
I have a couple of switches to wire and the reversing section for the
S-Gauge inner loop. Then, a few cutoff switches for parking tracks and
the tracks will be complete.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezMHg4nTGg

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 61815 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/14/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday November 14, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61816 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/14/2010
Subject: Re: Video Progress Report
Bill

Terrific layout and video, the background is really sharp. It's also
nice to see the Marx 3/16" running.

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61817 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Link
I understand that some people had trouble with the link to our new tabletop
layout. As an alternative, do the following:

   1.  Go to www.trainweb.org/acsg
   2.  Click on Carolinas Division
   3.  Click on Recent Shows
   4.  Click on NMRA Train Show, October 30, Charlotte, NC

This should get you to the pictures and movies.

Joe
 Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center####################
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 61818 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Video Progress Report
Thanks Brady,

The Marx 333 looks like something AC would have made if he had stuck to
3/16ths O.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brady Burdge
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Video Progress Report


Bill

Terrific layout and video, the background is really sharp. It's also
nice to see the Marx 3/16" running.

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61819 From: moviemadness2 Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: BAAFC Gunther Beer Car For Sale
The Gunther beer car is in stock and available for shipping. See order form
below for details.

BALTIMORE AREA AMERICAN FLYER CLUB (BAAFC)
2010 CLUB CAR ORDER FORM
BALTIMORE AND OHIO RAILROAD/FRUIT GROWERS EXPRESS REEFER (FGEX)

The BAAFC 2010 S gauge club car is based on a FGEX reefer prototype picture from
the Baltimore and Ohio Historical Society. The billboard reefer is a yellow
wooden sided, steel roof reefer with ice hatches used in the 1940's by the FGEX
Co., Washington, DC. The car is available in two numbers: F.G.E.X. 2010 to
recognize the current year and F.G.E.X. 1881 for the first year Gunther beer was
marketed in Baltimore, MD. The billboard reefer will display the Gunther label
of the 1940's and the 1950's. The Gunther Brewing Company generally dates its
beginning as 1881 with a location at Conkling (nee 3rd St) and O'Donnell Streets
in east Baltimore (Canton), Maryland.

The S gauge reefer is manufactured by S Helper Service and is American Flyer
compatible. The model also comes with a complete set of S scale wheels.
______________________________________________________________________
Order Form

Car Number Number Ordered Unit Price Total Price

1881 ____________ $55.95 _______________

2010 ____________ $55.95 _______________

Shipping _______________

Total Order _______________

Note on Shipping: Shipping cost is $7.00 for the first car and $4.00 for each
additional car.

Name: Phone Number:

Address:

Mail this order form and check payable to BAAFC, Inc to:
Ron Kolb
7436 Sandalfoot Way
Columbia, MD 21046
Group: S-Trains Message: 61820 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Very nice pieces again.

Passenger cars are very shiny.

Did you get them that way?

if so very good.

I had to use mag wheel cleaner on some chrome ones I got.

Worked great.

Mike

From: Brady
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout


Mike & Bill

Thanks, always nice to find stuff on your want list at a great price

BTW - seems that my recent purchases accidentally put together a 1948 set..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/17.JPG

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/temp/Page17.jpg

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61821 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Link
Joseph
I am a Manufacturing and tend to design thing strong and heavy, What is the
frame made out of to keep it light and is it stable? I think you said 1/8
plywood and 1 inch foam but it also looks like it has a board frame around each
section. Like the layout

Don Keil
Grand Rapids MI
dlkeil@...



________________________________
From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>
To: S Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 8:22:45 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Link


I understand that some people had trouble with the link to our new tabletop
layout. As an alternative, do the following:

1. Go to www.trainweb.org/acsg
2. Click on Carolinas Division
3. Click on Recent Shows
4. Click on NMRA Train Show, October 30, Charlotte, NC

This should get you to the pictures and movies.

Joe
Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center####################
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61822 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Link
That is very impressive. I bet the attendees had a great time watching
it run.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Haenn
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:23 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Link


I understand that some people had trouble with the link to our new
tabletop
layout. As an alternative, do the following:

   1.  Go to www.trainweb.org/acsg
   2.  Click on Carolinas Division
   3.  Click on Recent Shows
   4.  Click on NMRA Train Show, October 30, Charlotte, NC

This should get you to the pictures and movies.

Joe
Group: S-Trains Message: 61823 From: richs009 Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: ACSG layout
Joe -- very nice. I especially like the multiple train operation. Have you tried it with two trains running in the opposite direction? Have you folks posted anywhere your control scheme and some idea of what electronics are involved? Would you be willing to post it here?

thanks,

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:
>
> I understand that some people had trouble with the link to our new tabletop
> layout. As an alternative, do the following:
>
>    1.  Go to www.trainweb.org/acsg
>    2.  Click on Carolinas Division
>    3.  Click on Recent Shows
>    4.  Click on NMRA Train Show, October 30, Charlotte, NC
>
> This should get you to the pictures and movies.
>
> Joe
>  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
> 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
> Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
> ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center####################
> ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
> American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
> joestrainrepair@...###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61824 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Lone Star Flyer
The Lone Star Flyer club brought their layout to the 2006 TCA
Convention, nice folks and a fantastic layout. The club has a great new
layout video on their web site

http://www.lonestarflyer.org/


BTW - Here's some video of the layout I took at the convention


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZO2ACpjVSk



Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61825 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
<< Passenger cars are very shiny. Did you get them that way? >>

Mike

Yes, I haven't cleaned or polished them with anything. If you look
close enough at them you can see alot of scratches, but they do shine

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61826 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout
Thanks, Brady, as they still look good.

Mike

From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:35 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Small American Flyer Layout


<< Passenger cars are very shiny. Did you get them that way? >>

Mike

Yes, I haven't cleaned or polished them with anything. If you look
close enough at them you can see alot of scratches, but they do shine

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61827 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/15/2010
Subject: Fw: CTT article
CTT articleI just wanted to let you all know that CTT has been interested in the layout for some time and they still are.

Although, CTT is not a scale magazine, they have been doing more articles on S, I was told.

I also know that Roger likes S, as he just put out a book on Lionel paper, I believe.

I will keep you informed on what happens.

For the S List, I need to update my photo album on the layout.

Mike

From: Roger Carp
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:45 AM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: CTT article

Dear Mike,

Thanks for your email. Yes, we are definitely interested in featuring your S gauge layout in CTT. I hope to return to the East Coast and your area before York of next year. I apologize for taking so long. I will have a professional photographer with me at that time.

If you want to try to take your own pictures, you are welcome to do so. If you make the effort, start by taking five different shots—with different trains in them—using a tripod. Send them to me. Please no more than five. I will show what you have done to our art director. If she is satisfied or thinks only tweaks are needed, then we can proceed with the other shots and then pay you for your work. You really have nothing to lose by trying—except time—so maybe give it a try.

Thanks and all the best to your family,

Roger Carp
Senior Editor

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61828 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out double sheathed USRA boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61829 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out double sheathed USRA boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61830 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: York Taxes
Hey Folks,

Don't forget, today, the 16th is the LAST day for Eastern Meet dealers to
pay the West Manchester "painless tax" .

The West Manchester folks claim it costs them $ 12.00 to process each
form. They even suggested a friend NOT pay the tax to save them the loss. He
asked for that in writing, was of course refused. Guess they took the
loss. I'm enjoying that part of it.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61831 From: Timboy Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Take Me Out To The Train Show
After every York train meet, there are always a bunch of discussions on this forum. I'm a little late with this, but it just came to me last night. Here goes...

(Sung to the tune of Take Me Out To The Ball Park)

Take me out to the Fire Hall;
Take me over to York.
Buy me some pulled pork and funnel cakes, Jack;
I don't care if we never get back.
For it's root, root, root through the junk bins;
If there's no bargains it's a shame.
And it's buy - till - you're out of dough;
At the old Train Show.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61832 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Bombing the Layout
Hi Folks,

I was just working in my shed to get the last of the switch machines
wired and found sawdust where I had not been sawing. One of the joys of
a warm weather climate is the extra growing (and eating) season for the
bugs. Right now, they are all getting a chance to breathe some noxious
fumes and not from my smoker locos, either.

It seems to me that having a basement for a layout is a very nice thing
and my envy of those with such grows by leaps and bounds. Are termites,
wasps, roaches, ants and other critters common residents in your layout?
I must bomb a couple of times each year.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 61833 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Caboose for Sale
Warning! Blatant commercialism!
S helper Service #00268 Maine Central Christmas Caboose for sale LN/OB:
$55 plus shipping.
It has been run, but it is in very nice shape. This was the first
Christmas car offered by Don and the good folks at SHS in 1998. Please contact me
off line at _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...)
Thanks.
Bob Bubeck

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61834 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Latest Pictures
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1731795210/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=561&count=20&dir=asc

I just downloaded pictures of my layout, that is pretty much done, except I need to get more people, i.e. the baseball stands.

Must pictures are from a tripod, so I saw only one close up that was a bit burry, my J Lechner’s Food Co sign I made on the produce loading dock. Dr. Lechner is a good friend, on the other side of trains, O gauge.

Table skirt, tan, is done, made by Linda, but not around the table yet.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61835 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Bombing the Layout
Not in the current house but here the basement is finished and son lives
there. Looking to build a retirement home soon.

In the old house the critters I had in the basement were

ants, spiders, and mice. because the cats didn't have full run of the house.

next place there will be no haven for mice

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 11/16/2010 4:15 PM, Bill Porter wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Are termites,
> wasps, roaches, ants and other critters common residents in your layout?
> I must bomb a couple of times each year.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61836 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Latest Pictures
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

The below link is not in slideshow format.

I think it is interesting to go to the link, above and do the slide show to see how the layout went from wood on the floor for the table till the end. Takes maybe 5 minutes, but I think it is interesting to see.

Or, just go to first picture for 11-16 and do a slide show.

Thanks for looking.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:36 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Pictures


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1731795210/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=561&count=20&dir=asc

I just downloaded pictures of my layout, that is pretty much done, except I need to get more people, i.e. the baseball stands.

Must pictures are from a tripod, so I saw only one close up that was a bit burry, my J Lechner’s Food Co sign I made on the produce loading dock. Dr. Lechner is a good friend, on the other side of trains, O gauge.

Table skirt, tan, is done, made by Linda, but not around the table yet.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61837 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Latest Pictures
Hi Mike.  You have a fantastic layout.  I checked out all your photo's from
beginning to end. 

I believe that Classic Toy Trains and S-Gaugian mags should carry a story on
your superb efforts.

Where did you get the Esso gas station with great external sign?  Esso and the
Mobile Flying Horse where my favorite gas stations in the early years.  Very
nice work.

Bob             


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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 3:55:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Pictures

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc


The below link is not in slideshow format.

I think it is interesting to go to the link, above and do the slide show to see
how the layout went from wood on the floor for the table till the end. Takes
maybe 5 minutes, but I think it is interesting to see.

Or, just go to first picture for 11-16 and do a slide show.

Thanks for looking.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:36 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Pictures

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1731795210/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=561&count=20&dir=asc


I just downloaded pictures of my layout, that is pretty much done, except I need
to get more people, i.e. the baseball stands.

Must pictures are from a tripod, so I saw only one close up that was a bit
burry, my J Lechner’s Food Co sign I made on the produce loading dock. Dr.
Lechner is a good friend, on the other side of trains, O gauge.

Table skirt, tan, is done, made by Linda, but not around the table yet.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61838 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Train Meet Saturday the 20th
The KEYSTONE DIV TCA TRAIN Swap Meet & Sale is THIS Saturday, Nov 20th at
St Philips R C Church, Rts 999 & 741 in Millersville, PA. Adult Admission
is $ 4.00, kids 12 & under are FREE. SANTA CLAUS has promised to drop by
to visit, parents/grandparents BRING THE KIDS & CAMERAS for FREE pics with
SANTA.

The Church Modular group will have their O Modular up and running, bring
your "O" engine and run it for a donation to the group.

There will 2 "S" layouts running, a RIDE ON Kiddie train, hopefully we
will have enough space for TRAIN RACES,

Almost forgot, 100 tables of new, used, some abused, mostly loved toy &
scale trains for sale, ALL ages, ALL gauges. Frequent DOOR PRIZES TOO.

Doors open to the public at 9 AM, open til 1 PM, ( GO AHEAD make us keep
them open longer). The Church Men's Group will be "cookin' in the
kitchen", they always have a very nice selection at reasonable prices.

Manufacturers DALLEE & Wardie-Jay will be there too.

PLENTY OF FREE PARKING in the country.

Jim "hope to see you there" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61839 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: 79X Union Station dimensions
Hello all,

I need some help. Years ago I had an AF Union Station on a "normal" layout and would like to have one again. My current layout is a ceiling level route so there are some height restrictions. Would someone with a Union Station provide the height (without the flag)? I would surely appreciate it.

Thanks!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 61840 From: lou342ac Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: New Poll
I created new poll to determine which of the four new American Flyer Challenger Engines will be added to your collections. Please take a moment to vote which one you will be buying. Thanks,
Lou Baldi
Group: S-Trains Message: 61841 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Latest Pictures
Thanks Bob.

The Esso sign I got off eBay and station was the only kit I did not make.

I got it at North East Trains in Peabody, MA, in 1993 completely made for 80.

I contacted NE Trains, last year about it and they said it was scratch built, not a kit.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61842 From: Ben Date: 11/16/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: CTT article
CTT was thrilled to get my article to print. They told me over and over that they are always looking for S gauge/American Flyer articles to print. So...get those layouts written up and send them in.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> CTT articleI just wanted to let you all know that CTT has been interested in the layout for some time and they still are.
>
> Although, CTT is not a scale magazine, they have been doing more articles on S, I was told.
>
> I also know that Roger likes S, as he just put out a book on Lionel paper, I believe.
>
> I will keep you informed on what happens.
>
> For the S List, I need to update my photo album on the layout.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Roger Carp
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:45 AM
> To: mlmarmer@...
> Subject: CTT article
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> Thanks for your email. Yes, we are definitely interested in featuring your S gauge layout in CTT. I hope to return to the East Coast and your area before York of next year. I apologize for taking so long. I will have a professional photographer with me at that time.
>
> If you want to try to take your own pictures, you are welcome to do so. If you make the effort, start by taking five different shotsâ€"with different trains in themâ€"using a tripod. Send them to me. Please no more than five. I will show what you have done to our art director. If she is satisfied or thinks only tweaks are needed, then we can proceed with the other shots and then pay you for your work. You really have nothing to lose by tryingâ€"except timeâ€"so maybe give it a try.
>
> Thanks and all the best to your family,
>
> Roger Carp
> Senior Editor
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61843 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Sold out SHS 40' wooden reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61844 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5074
The #00268 has been sold. Thank you!

Bob B.



Warning! Blatant commercialism!
S helper Service #00268 Maine Central Christmas Caboose for sale LN/OB:
$55 plus shipping.







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From: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:07 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 5074





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61845 From: afironhorse Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Bombing the Layout
Bill,
I kind of envy those to the north too that have basements. If we dig five feet into the soil down here it will fill up with water. I have to settle with the little space in the attic "my mancave" for my layout. I wish I had a bigger yard so I could build a shed for a layout/workshop. So far I haven't had to bomb my attic space for bugs yet.

David
New Orleans, La.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I was just working in my shed to get the last of the switch machines
> wired and found sawdust where I had not been sawing. One of the joys of
> a warm weather climate is the extra growing (and eating) season for the
> bugs. Right now, they are all getting a chance to breathe some noxious
> fumes and not from my smoker locos, either.
>
> It seems to me that having a basement for a layout is a very nice thing
> and my envy of those with such grows by leaps and bounds. Are termites,
> wasps, roaches, ants and other critters common residents in your layout?
> I must bomb a couple of times each year.
>
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61846 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: CTT article
Ben,

That is great, as we saw your layout last December. And you got some Blueberry muffins from us. O!

I believe Roger is going to write the article, as I do not think I have the journalistic way of writing this article.

Mike

From: Ben
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 10:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: CTT article


CTT was thrilled to get my article to print. They told me over and over that they are always looking for S gauge/American Flyer articles to print. So...get those layouts written up and send them in.

Ben

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> CTT articleI just wanted to let you all know that CTT has been interested in the layout for some time and they still are.
>
> Although, CTT is not a scale magazine, they have been doing more articles on S, I was told.
>
> I also know that Roger likes S, as he just put out a book on Lionel paper, I believe.
>
> I will keep you informed on what happens.
>
> For the S List, I need to update my photo album on the layout.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Roger Carp
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:45 AM
> To: mlmarmer@...
> Subject: CTT article
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> Thanks for your email. Yes, we are definitely interested in featuring your S gauge layout in CTT. I hope to return to the East Coast and your area before York of next year. I apologize for taking so long. I will have a professional photographer with me at that time.
>
> If you want to try to take your own pictures, you are welcome to do so. If you make the effort, start by taking five different shotsâ€"with different trains in themâ€"using a tripod. Send them to me. Please no more than five. I will show what you have done to our art director. If she is satisfied or thinks only tweaks are needed, then we can proceed with the other shots and then pay you for your work. You really have nothing to lose by tryingâ€"except timeâ€"so maybe give it a try.
>
> Thanks and all the best to your family,
>
> Roger Carp
> Senior Editor
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61847 From: barry Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: Link
Hey Joe:

I just looked at the NEW layout and it looks & works GREAT! Very portable and yet very entertaining for the adults and the kids.

Good Job!

I see some people have already asked you for the specs!

Thanks
Barry


From: Joseph Haenn
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:22 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Link



I understand that some people had trouble with the link to our new tabletop
layout. As an alternative, do the following:

1. Go to www.trainweb.org/acsg
2. Click on Carolinas Division
3. Click on Recent Shows
4. Click on NMRA Train Show, October 30, Charlotte, NC

This should get you to the pictures and movies.

Joe
Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center####################
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61848 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: New Signal Bridges
**

http://www.z-stuff.net/whatsnew_brdg.html







Brady Burdge


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61849 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Bombing the layout
We have various bugs too, including termites, ants, and a selection of boring worms and beetles. The cold weather of winter just puts them "on hold" outside, but they continue to thrive inside your house just like the people.
There is no escape! If we nuke ourselves, the bugs will still be here.
At least with a garden railway, you can run over them with your trains!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 61850 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Gordon Lightfoot.
Today Gordon Lightfoot is 72.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FTHIjAcEHM&list=PLABF7ECAB1EAD53C3&index=41&playnext=2

A Lightfoot song that mentions a railroad train in it.

CD came out in 1993 after the mega hits and is out of print sadly.

Of course his classic is Canadian RR Trilogy that the Canadian Government commission him to do for the 100th anniversary of Canadian Independence, 1967.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzo6Otpgj-E

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61851 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: "S"acto Convention --- RSS Feeds
Gents.



The 2011 NASG/NMRA convention web site now has working RSS feeds.



"What's that?" you ask. See the explanation below.



The convention web site is:



http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html



See you in "S"acto...Ed L.



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The latest addition has been setting up RSS feeds for the site. RSS feeds
allow a user to subscribe to a notification system for the website. Rather
than continually checking back to find changes to the website, such as new
information on tours or a clinic schedule, subscribing to a RSS feed results
in e-mail announcements of such changes.the e-mails summarize the changes so
that the subscriber can decide whether it is worth his/her time to log on to
view the changes. Not every change will result in a RSS e-mail broadcast but
only those which would be of interest to subscribers. RSS feeds for website
changes are automatically broadcast to subscribers.



There is an explanation of how to subscribe to our RSS feed and the
advantages of RSS feeds at http://www.x2011west.org/news.html



Having a RSS feed available is really a "big deal" since it makes it easier
for visitors to revisit our site when things have changed. We have over
1,000 registrants with e-mail addresses for a majority of them. These
registrants are probably waiting to hear of more information on the
convention, especially information on prototype tours, hotel registrations,
layout tours, etc We will be using this feature to notify these same
attendees that tour reservations are available, that hotel reservations can
be made, etc.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61852 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Flyer Coach Gap
Group: S-Trains Message: 61853 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Generosity of a train person
Back in October, I acquired a 336 AF engine and I wanted to know how to tell if it was a large or small motor, which I found out in time it was a large motor.

Bob Iannacone, on the S list and a TCA member who I never met, spoke to or written to before sent me a email about the motor in how to determine what it was.

He also knew I was in search of a 24003 SF box car to complete a set from 1958, as it is listed as a common car in the TM and Greenberg book, but I have been searching for this car for over a year.

The car came in a set with a rare 21145 engine and has 12 cars in the set, making it the longest train set AF ever put out. As for those in the TCA, the gimmick in this set was to have a figure 8 and have the engine barely miss the caboose at the end. All of the cars are common, most noted to me, are the two UP Hoppers.

I only saw on SF box car at York in terrible condition and two on EBay that I missed out on, with my bid at 125 for a car listed at 56 in the current Greenberg book.

I have seen more of the rare Rath’s and BAR red reefer cars on eBay and at York than this SF car. I have two of each. LOL

I have Bob’s email below, in which he told me he was going to give me one of his 24003’s box car, as I was completely shock that some one was going to do this, as he does sell trains too and I am sure he could of sold it for at least the 56 dollars or more.

Bob does have a website for his trains he sells, www.americanflyertrains4u.com but I do not think he was doing this to get me to buy something from him. I think he really wanted to do for the reason he writes below.

I told him I was going to write about what he did for me.

I told him I was going to send him something in return because I want to. still trying to figure out what, maybe a check for it. I did learn he did go to the U of MD like I did, but 10 years before me.

Maybe a bushel of crabs might hit the spot.

thanks again Bob, you are into this not for the business side but because you love doing what you do.

It is much appreciated.

I am sending this to the TCA list too, as Bob is not on this list, I think, but a TCA member, but still he was not, I would send this to the TCA list, as many on this list are not TCA members, but should know about Bob.

I really wanted you all to know what Bob did for me in this unusual act of kindness to me as he did not have to do this.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

From: Bob Iannacone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:35 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: Re: 336

Good evening Mike. I inquired about the 24003 because I have two. In fact, I'm going to send you one to complete your set. It's in pretty good shape. No cost to you, just sharing with someone who enjoys Maine like we do. Have a great rest of the week.

Bob



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61854 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.

Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and where the
movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton, PA as far
as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene near the
end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must have been
done on a layout... Nicely done!


Russ in Oregon




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61855 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
I normally am not a movie person, as I thought this was fiction, just another thriller type movie, that I have no interest in.

However Joseph told me it is a true story overall and I watch the trailer on youtube.

Okay, I will go see it.

The ending was done on my layout, as Hugo stopped the train by having Shortstop Mosquito Rodriquez catch the train.

No, that was not it.

However, the work that Hollywood does with ‘sets” which are like layouts on any movies is amazing, as I am sure they had models in this movie.

I will go and see it.

Thanks Joseph. That was Joseph Lechner from the TCA list.

mike

From: Russ Dondero
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...


We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.

Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and where the
movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton, PA as far
as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene near the
end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must have been
done on a layout... Nicely done!

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61856 From: Ben Perry Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Greetings All;
Here is the rest of the story from the Toledo Blade.
Ben Perry




? Ex-New Englander Dave Patch sets the record straight in the Toledo Blade

Hollywood widens truth gauge in runaway train flick

By DAVID PATCH
BLADE STAFF WRITER

On a gray spring day in 2001, a 47-car CSX Transportation freight train got loose from Stanley Yard in Lake Township with nobody aboard its locomotive and traveled 66 miles to Kenton, Ohio, before a combined effort from railroad workers stopped it.

Friday, Hollywood's take on that incident ? predictably exaggerated and dramatized to make it more entertaining, but close enough to the real thing to support the ?Inspired by true events? announcement that flashes across the screen at its start ? hits movie screens across the United States.

In Unstoppable, Denzel Washington has the starring role of a veteran railroad engineer whose successful pursuit of the runaway in his own locomotive slows it down just enough so that it doesn't derail in a populated area and release highly toxic cargo. His greenhorn conductor, played by Chris Pine, then rides a pursuing pickup truck to the runaway's locomotive and leaps aboard to stop it.

That's not quite how the runaway was stopped 9? years ago in western Ohio, nor was the real incident thought to have started, as shown in the film, with a renegade engineer who couldn't be bothered to hook up his train's airbrake system.

MOVIE VS. REALITY
? In the movie: Negligent engineer skips connecting air brakes before moving train, then train throttle somehow powers up while engineer steps off to reposition a track switch, train ?runs away.?

? In the real world: Engineer switching cars in railroad yard without air brake charged (standard practice) inadvertently fails to put selector
in ?brake? before stepping off to reposition a track switch, train accelerates
instead of stopping.

? In the movie: Oncoming ?safety train? full of school children narrowly averts head-on collision with runaway by switching tracks into a
siding with seconds to spare.

? In the real world: Northbound ?safety train,? perhaps with some children on board, had arrived at nearby Stanley Tower shortly before the CSX runaway embarked on its unplanned trip over the same track.

? In the movie: Engineer of second train attempts to couple onto
front of runaway train, then slow it down enough so man lowered from helicopter can stop it. Failure is catastrophic for both men involved.

? In the real world: Didn't happen. And if it did, the second train's engineer could have walked back from his locomotive to the runaway
train to shut it down.

? In the movie: Line of police at railroad crossing shoots at runaway train's locomotive, trying to hit fuel-cutoff switch near fuel tank.

? In the real world: At least one Ohio state trooper took such a shot, but also missed the target.

? In the movie: Runaway train smashes through horse trailer at crossing and boxcar on rear of opposing freight train entering siding, then pops through derailing devices placed on track.

? In the real world: Attempt to stop train with portable derailers fails; nothing is smashed and no one is hurt.

? In the movie: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own locomotive, attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves safely (albeit with wild ?leaning? effects), and finally stops it after a pick-up truck chase.

? In the real world: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own locomotives, attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves safely and then allow a third railroad employee to leap aboard and shut down the runaway.


But anyone who recalls the events of May 15, 2001, when CSX Engine 8888 rumbled off on its own, can't miss how the real-life drama was written into the script.

CSX officials probably won't be as impressed with the film's depiction of fictional
Allegheny & West Virginia Railroad managers' willingness to risk a hazardous-materials catastrophe to avoid the up-front cost of derailing their wayward train in a remote area.

CSX's first response to its runaway was to try to derail it, but the unmanned train ran through a track switch lined against it and knocked a portable derail mechanism off the rail without slowing down.

Only after those efforts failed was the crew of a Toledo-bound freight directed to uncouple their engines from their train and, after the runaway passed them, pursue it ? whereas, in the movie, managers threaten to fire Washington and Pine when they propose the same tactic.

According to a Federal Railroad Administration report, the real train was a yardswitching job whose engineer approached a misaligned track switch at the throat of CSX's Stanley Yard in Lake Township at a very slow speed that was still too fast for him to stop in time, so he climbed down from the engine to run and re-route the switch.

But in so doing, the report said, he failed to place his engine's brake-throttle selector in the braking position, and when he then shifted a control handle into full-power position, it was in full-throttle instead of full-brake. While he changed the switch, the train slowly pulled away before he could climb back aboard.

Locomotives have mechanical brakes as well as engine brakes, and the engineer had set the mechanical brake properly. Because that brake was set, a ?dead-man? feature designed to stop the train if its engineer became incapacitated was disabled.

In the movie, the engineer also steps down from the locomotive to change a track
switch, and while he's doing that, a control lever somehow moves by itself to apply full throttle power ? one of many elements likely to irk railroadsavvy
viewers, even though only a few materially affect the story line.

Movie dialogue soon brings up the ?dead-man? feature, and a trainmaster played by actress Rosario Dawson explains that because the train's air brakes are not connected, it wouldn't work. Th at isn't exactly true, as the dead-man feature should also activate the locomotives' own brakes, but for the sake of simplicity one could assume that the movie engineer also applied the locomotive brakes.

Among the movie's first attempts to stop the runaway is the dispatch of another train's locomotives to pull out ahead of it, let it catch up, and then brake enough to allow a combat-veteran railroad employee dangling from a helicopter to drop aboard the unoccupied train.

But a sudden jolt sends the man crashing through a windshield, ending that effort, and an aborted attempt to derail the runaway at this point succeeds only at sending the slow-down engines careening off the track and wrecking in a huge, unrealistic fireball.

While CSX might have considered sending engines out ahead of the real runaway as a last resort, this part of the movie is pure fiction.

Had one or more locomotives coupled onto the real runaway's front engine, or
even just been pushed by it, anyone aboard the ?rescue? engine could have just walked to the unoccupied ones and shut them down ? no copters required, nor fireballs, either.

Such thinking, of course, would have significantly shortened the story.

The real-life chase crew caught up to the runaway several miles before it reached
Kenton, coupled onto its rear car, and braked it enough to get through sharp curves in town without derailing. Then a CSX trainmaster, Jon Hosfeld, was able to run alongside at a road crossing just south of Kenton, pull himself aboard Engine 8888, and stop it.

One way in which the movie and real life agree is the hazardous material carried in some of the runaway's cars.

Phenol is a chemical used in a wide variety of industrial processes that can cause skin, eye, or internal organ damage if touched or ingested, and is a toxic inhalation hazard if involved in a fire. While it does not readily ignite on its own, molten phenol easily ignites combustible materials, and burning phenol vapors may form explosive mixtures with air.

While the threat of fire was real, had the CSX runaway jumped the tracks in Kenton ? or beyond ? and its two carloads of phenol had ruptured, Unstoppable amps up the threat by quadrupling the phenol car-count and by placing the sharp curve atop a trestle next to a tank farm in a big city.

It also implies that a phenol incident would wipe out a large area, which is uncertain at best, though in a fire phenol could kill or severely injure bystanders.

But perhaps the most incredible aspect of Unstoppable is the speed and detail to which news media portrayed in the film gain information about the incident and those involved as it unfolds.

For a railroad on the verge of a major disaster, the A&WV is amazingly cooperative about explaining its plans and providing employee names and photos to the media horde that chases the fictional runaway.

Television covered the CSX train's ?capture? live at the end of its journey, but it was months afterward before an explanation of the incident's origins was made public, and the engineer whose mistakes were blamed for the incident was never officially identified, nor were details of any disciplinary action taken against him revealed.

Investigators recommended no sanctions against CSX for the incident after concluding it resulted from a combination of improbable events that could not be foreseen.

Contact David Patch at:
dpatch@...
or 419-724-6094.


-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Dondero
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...

We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.

Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and where the
movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton, PA as far
as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene near the
end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must have been
done on a layout... Nicely done!


Russ in Oregon




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61857 From: charlie and edith Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Winding a Diesel Field
Greetings! Attempting to bring both motors on my Gilbert 360 up to about the same speed and reduce motor heat. Following the suggestion in Tom Barkers repair manual, I wound a field with #26 wire. I was able to get the 35' of wire on the field but have very little clearence between the winding and the armature. Am now thinking that #27 wire would be a better choice? Has anyone tried this and what length of wire did you use? Or, if you used #28 wire, what length did you use? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61858 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/17/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Thanks for such a quick response.





________________________________
From: Ben Perry <traindspr@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:54:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...


Greetings All;
Here is the rest of the story from the Toledo Blade.
Ben Perry

? Ex-New Englander Dave Patch sets the record straight in the Toledo Blade

Hollywood widens truth gauge in runaway train flick

By DAVID PATCH
BLADE STAFF WRITER

On a gray spring day in 2001, a 47-car CSX Transportation freight train got
loose from Stanley Yard in Lake Township with nobody aboard its locomotive and
traveled 66 miles to Kenton, Ohio, before a combined effort from railroad
workers stopped it.

Friday, Hollywood's take on that incident ? predictably exaggerated and
dramatized to make it more entertaining, but close enough to the real thing to
support the ?Inspired by true events? announcement that flashes across the
screen at its start ? hits movie screens across the United States.

In Unstoppable, Denzel Washington has the starring role of a veteran railroad
engineer whose successful pursuit of the runaway in his own locomotive slows it
down just enough so that it doesn't derail in a populated area and release
highly toxic cargo. His greenhorn conductor, played by Chris Pine, then rides a
pursuing pickup truck to the runaway's locomotive and leaps aboard to stop it.

That's not quite how the runaway was stopped 9? years ago in western Ohio, nor
was the real incident thought to have started, as shown in the film, with a
renegade engineer who couldn't be bothered to hook up his train's airbrake
system.


MOVIE VS. REALITY
? In the movie: Negligent engineer skips connecting air brakes before moving
train, then train throttle somehow powers up while engineer steps off to
reposition a track switch, train ?runs away.?

? In the real world: Engineer switching cars in railroad yard without air brake
charged (standard practice) inadvertently fails to put selector
in ?brake? before stepping off to reposition a track switch, train accelerates
instead of stopping.

? In the movie: Oncoming ?safety train? full of school children narrowly averts
head-on collision with runaway by switching tracks into a
siding with seconds to spare.

? In the real world: Northbound ?safety train,? perhaps with some children on
board, had arrived at nearby Stanley Tower shortly before the CSX runaway
embarked on its unplanned trip over the same track.

? In the movie: Engineer of second train attempts to couple onto
front of runaway train, then slow it down enough so man lowered from helicopter
can stop it. Failure is catastrophic for both men involved.

? In the real world: Didn't happen. And if it did, the second train's engineer
could have walked back from his locomotive to the runaway
train to shut it down.

? In the movie: Line of police at railroad crossing shoots at runaway train's
locomotive, trying to hit fuel-cutoff switch near fuel tank.

? In the real world: At least one Ohio state trooper took such a shot, but also
missed the target.

? In the movie: Runaway train smashes through horse trailer at crossing and
boxcar on rear of opposing freight train entering siding, then pops through
derailing devices placed on track.

? In the real world: Attempt to stop train with portable derailers fails;
nothing is smashed and no one is hurt.

? In the movie: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own locomotive,
attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves safely (albeit
with wild ?leaning? effects), and finally stops it after a pick-up truck chase.

? In the real world: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own
locomotives, attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves
safely and then allow a third railroad employee to leap aboard and shut down the
runaway.



But anyone who recalls the events of May 15, 2001, when CSX Engine 8888 rumbled
off on its own, can't miss how the real-life drama was written into the script.

CSX officials probably won't be as impressed with the film's depiction of
fictional
Allegheny & West Virginia Railroad managers' willingness to risk a
hazardous-materials catastrophe to avoid the up-front cost of derailing their
wayward train in a remote area.

CSX's first response to its runaway was to try to derail it, but the unmanned
train ran through a track switch lined against it and knocked a portable derail
mechanism off the rail without slowing down.

Only after those efforts failed was the crew of a Toledo-bound freight directed
to uncouple their engines from their train and, after the runaway passed them,
pursue it ? whereas, in the movie, managers threaten to fire Washington and Pine
when they propose the same tactic.

According to a Federal Railroad Administration report, the real train was a
yardswitching job whose engineer approached a misaligned track switch at the
throat of CSX's Stanley Yard in Lake Township at a very slow speed that was
still too fast for him to stop in time, so he climbed down from the engine to
run and re-route the switch.

But in so doing, the report said, he failed to place his engine's brake-throttle
selector in the braking position, and when he then shifted a control handle into
full-power position, it was in full-throttle instead of full-brake. While he
changed the switch, the train slowly pulled away before he could climb back
aboard.

Locomotives have mechanical brakes as well as engine brakes, and the engineer
had set the mechanical brake properly. Because that brake was set, a ?dead-man?
feature designed to stop the train if its engineer became incapacitated was
disabled.

In the movie, the engineer also steps down from the locomotive to change a track
switch, and while he's doing that, a control lever somehow moves by itself to
apply full throttle power ? one of many elements likely to irk railroadsavvy
viewers, even though only a few materially affect the story line.

Movie dialogue soon brings up the ?dead-man? feature, and a trainmaster played
by actress Rosario Dawson explains that because the train's air brakes are not
connected, it wouldn't work. Th at isn't exactly true, as the dead-man feature
should also activate the locomotives' own brakes, but for the sake of simplicity
one could assume that the movie engineer also applied the locomotive brakes.

Among the movie's first attempts to stop the runaway is the dispatch of another
train's locomotives to pull out ahead of it, let it catch up, and then brake
enough to allow a combat-veteran railroad employee dangling from a helicopter to
drop aboard the unoccupied train.

But a sudden jolt sends the man crashing through a windshield, ending that
effort, and an aborted attempt to derail the runaway at this point succeeds only
at sending the slow-down engines careening off the track and wrecking in a huge,
unrealistic fireball.

While CSX might have considered sending engines out ahead of the real runaway as
a last resort, this part of the movie is pure fiction.

Had one or more locomotives coupled onto the real runaway's front engine, or
even just been pushed by it, anyone aboard the ?rescue? engine could have just
walked to the unoccupied ones and shut them down ? no copters required, nor
fireballs, either.

Such thinking, of course, would have significantly shortened the story.

The real-life chase crew caught up to the runaway several miles before it
reached
Kenton, coupled onto its rear car, and braked it enough to get through sharp
curves in town without derailing. Then a CSX trainmaster, Jon Hosfeld, was able
to run alongside at a road crossing just south of Kenton, pull himself aboard
Engine 8888, and stop it.

One way in which the movie and real life agree is the hazardous material carried
in some of the runaway's cars.

Phenol is a chemical used in a wide variety of industrial processes that can
cause skin, eye, or internal organ damage if touched or ingested, and is a toxic
inhalation hazard if involved in a fire. While it does not readily ignite on its
own, molten phenol easily ignites combustible materials, and burning phenol
vapors may form explosive mixtures with air.

While the threat of fire was real, had the CSX runaway jumped the tracks in
Kenton ? or beyond ? and its two carloads of phenol had ruptured, Unstoppable
amps up the threat by quadrupling the phenol car-count and by placing the sharp
curve atop a trestle next to a tank farm in a big city.

It also implies that a phenol incident would wipe out a large area, which is
uncertain at best, though in a fire phenol could kill or severely injure
bystanders.

But perhaps the most incredible aspect of Unstoppable is the speed and detail to
which news media portrayed in the film gain information about the incident and
those involved as it unfolds.

For a railroad on the verge of a major disaster, the A&WV is amazingly
cooperative about explaining its plans and providing employee names and photos
to the media horde that chases the fictional runaway.

Television covered the CSX train's ?capture? live at the end of its journey, but
it was months afterward before an explanation of the incident's origins was made
public, and the engineer whose mistakes were blamed for the incident was never
officially identified, nor were details of any disciplinary action taken against
him revealed.

Investigators recommended no sanctions against CSX for the incident after
concluding it resulted from a combination of improbable events that could not be
foreseen.

Contact David Patch at:
dpatch@...
or 419-724-6094.

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Dondero
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...

We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.

Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and where the
movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton, PA as far

as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene near the
end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must have been
done on a layout... Nicely done!

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61859 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Linda told me in the review that the fastest the train went was 40 mph so added things to this movie.

I can tell you I had my own Unstoppable experience with a cruise control that was stuck on a van going 100 mph.

Pretty scary.

The van was a 1987 Voyager, that we loved and had for 20 years,, never broke down due to our fault of not taking care of it, it had 285,000 miles on it in the end, and the dealer said it was the cleanest used car he ever saw, sold it on the lot, as we used Zeibart paint protection yearly.

Anyway, carburetors in the end years could only be adjusted by dealers due to EPA. I took it in the day before we left for Maine for a adjusting of the linkage, cleaning etc..

Pick the van up drove it home.

Next morning we drove up MD 27 to Mt. Airy, MD and stopped for some breakfast. We got in the van when done with breakfast and got on the interstate, as this 1992 and the speed limit then was 55.

I put the cruise control on and off the van shot like a rocket, hitting 1000 mph while braking did not turn it off neither did put it in neutral. There was no traffic on the interstate at this time, as we headed towards Baltimore. This was the real thing, Unstoppable the Van not the train and I had no clue what to do. I did not panic. Finally I turned the key off and that killed the engine as we lost the power steering and brakes, but I was able to get it over to the shoulder just fine. It was stopped, but I started it up in park and the engine was racing. So I turned it off.

A state trooper stopped and asked what happened and I told him. He said most people would of crashed into a bridge and die. Great. We got tow back to the dealer and they did something to get the cruise linkage stuck. They got it fix and sent us on our way, with no much of a apology as this could of killed us and maybe someone else.

My other car, was a 1988 Cutlass and it too went 20 years with out breaking down, and about 285,000.

So that is my unstoppable story. Very serious stuff.

Mike Marmer

From: Russ Dondero
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:43 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...


Thanks for such a quick response.

________________________________
From: Ben Perry <mailto:traindspr%40hotmail.com>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:54:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...

Greetings All;
Here is the rest of the story from the Toledo Blade.
Ben Perry

? Ex-New Englander Dave Patch sets the record straight in the Toledo Blade

Hollywood widens truth gauge in runaway train flick

By DAVID PATCH
BLADE STAFF WRITER

On a gray spring day in 2001, a 47-car CSX Transportation freight train got
loose from Stanley Yard in Lake Township with nobody aboard its locomotive and
traveled 66 miles to Kenton, Ohio, before a combined effort from railroad
workers stopped it.

Friday, Hollywood's take on that incident ? predictably exaggerated and
dramatized to make it more entertaining, but close enough to the real thing to
support the ?Inspired by true events? announcement that flashes across the
screen at its start ? hits movie screens across the United States.

In Unstoppable, Denzel Washington has the starring role of a veteran railroad
engineer whose successful pursuit of the runaway in his own locomotive slows it
down just enough so that it doesn't derail in a populated area and release
highly toxic cargo. His greenhorn conductor, played by Chris Pine, then rides a
pursuing pickup truck to the runaway's locomotive and leaps aboard to stop it.

That's not quite how the runaway was stopped 9? years ago in western Ohio, nor
was the real incident thought to have started, as shown in the film, with a
renegade engineer who couldn't be bothered to hook up his train's airbrake
system.

MOVIE VS. REALITY
? In the movie: Negligent engineer skips connecting air brakes before moving
train, then train throttle somehow powers up while engineer steps off to
reposition a track switch, train ?runs away.?

? In the real world: Engineer switching cars in railroad yard without air brake
charged (standard practice) inadvertently fails to put selector
in ?brake? before stepping off to reposition a track switch, train accelerates
instead of stopping.

? In the movie: Oncoming ?safety train? full of school children narrowly averts
head-on collision with runaway by switching tracks into a
siding with seconds to spare.

? In the real world: Northbound ?safety train,? perhaps with some children on
board, had arrived at nearby Stanley Tower shortly before the CSX runaway
embarked on its unplanned trip over the same track.

? In the movie: Engineer of second train attempts to couple onto
front of runaway train, then slow it down enough so man lowered from helicopter
can stop it. Failure is catastrophic for both men involved.

? In the real world: Didn't happen. And if it did, the second train's engineer
could have walked back from his locomotive to the runaway
train to shut it down.

? In the movie: Line of police at railroad crossing shoots at runaway train's
locomotive, trying to hit fuel-cutoff switch near fuel tank.

? In the real world: At least one Ohio state trooper took such a shot, but also
missed the target.

? In the movie: Runaway train smashes through horse trailer at crossing and
boxcar on rear of opposing freight train entering siding, then pops through
derailing devices placed on track.

? In the real world: Attempt to stop train with portable derailers fails;
nothing is smashed and no one is hurt.

? In the movie: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own locomotive,
attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves safely (albeit
with wild ?leaning? effects), and finally stops it after a pick-up truck chase.

? In the real world: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own
locomotives, attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves
safely and then allow a third railroad employee to leap aboard and shut down the
runaway.

But anyone who recalls the events of May 15, 2001, when CSX Engine 8888 rumbled
off on its own, can't miss how the real-life drama was written into the script.

CSX officials probably won't be as impressed with the film's depiction of
fictional
Allegheny & West Virginia Railroad managers' willingness to risk a
hazardous-materials catastrophe to avoid the up-front cost of derailing their
wayward train in a remote area.

CSX's first response to its runaway was to try to derail it, but the unmanned
train ran through a track switch lined against it and knocked a portable derail
mechanism off the rail without slowing down.

Only after those efforts failed was the crew of a Toledo-bound freight directed
to uncouple their engines from their train and, after the runaway passed them,
pursue it ? whereas, in the movie, managers threaten to fire Washington and Pine
when they propose the same tactic.

According to a Federal Railroad Administration report, the real train was a
yardswitching job whose engineer approached a misaligned track switch at the
throat of CSX's Stanley Yard in Lake Township at a very slow speed that was
still too fast for him to stop in time, so he climbed down from the engine to
run and re-route the switch.

But in so doing, the report said, he failed to place his engine's brake-throttle
selector in the braking position, and when he then shifted a control handle into
full-power position, it was in full-throttle instead of full-brake. While he
changed the switch, the train slowly pulled away before he could climb back
aboard.

Locomotives have mechanical brakes as well as engine brakes, and the engineer
had set the mechanical brake properly. Because that brake was set, a ?dead-man?
feature designed to stop the train if its engineer became incapacitated was
disabled.

In the movie, the engineer also steps down from the locomotive to change a track
switch, and while he's doing that, a control lever somehow moves by itself to
apply full throttle power ? one of many elements likely to irk railroadsavvy
viewers, even though only a few materially affect the story line.

Movie dialogue soon brings up the ?dead-man? feature, and a trainmaster played
by actress Rosario Dawson explains that because the train's air brakes are not
connected, it wouldn't work. Th at isn't exactly true, as the dead-man feature
should also activate the locomotives' own brakes, but for the sake of simplicity
one could assume that the movie engineer also applied the locomotive brakes.

Among the movie's first attempts to stop the runaway is the dispatch of another
train's locomotives to pull out ahead of it, let it catch up, and then brake
enough to allow a combat-veteran railroad employee dangling from a helicopter to
drop aboard the unoccupied train.

But a sudden jolt sends the man crashing through a windshield, ending that
effort, and an aborted attempt to derail the runaway at this point succeeds only
at sending the slow-down engines careening off the track and wrecking in a huge,
unrealistic fireball.

While CSX might have considered sending engines out ahead of the real runaway as
a last resort, this part of the movie is pure fiction.

Had one or more locomotives coupled onto the real runaway's front engine, or
even just been pushed by it, anyone aboard the ?rescue? engine could have just
walked to the unoccupied ones and shut them down ? no copters required, nor
fireballs, either.

Such thinking, of course, would have significantly shortened the story.

The real-life chase crew caught up to the runaway several miles before it
reached
Kenton, coupled onto its rear car, and braked it enough to get through sharp
curves in town without derailing. Then a CSX trainmaster, Jon Hosfeld, was able
to run alongside at a road crossing just south of Kenton, pull himself aboard
Engine 8888, and stop it.

One way in which the movie and real life agree is the hazardous material carried
in some of the runaway's cars.

Phenol is a chemical used in a wide variety of industrial processes that can
cause skin, eye, or internal organ damage if touched or ingested, and is a toxic
inhalation hazard if involved in a fire. While it does not readily ignite on its
own, molten phenol easily ignites combustible materials, and burning phenol
vapors may form explosive mixtures with air.

While the threat of fire was real, had the CSX runaway jumped the tracks in
Kenton ? or beyond ? and its two carloads of phenol had ruptured, Unstoppable
amps up the threat by quadrupling the phenol car-count and by placing the sharp
curve atop a trestle next to a tank farm in a big city.

It also implies that a phenol incident would wipe out a large area, which is
uncertain at best, though in a fire phenol could kill or severely injure
bystanders.

But perhaps the most incredible aspect of Unstoppable is the speed and detail to
which news media portrayed in the film gain information about the incident and
those involved as it unfolds.

For a railroad on the verge of a major disaster, the A&WV is amazingly
cooperative about explaining its plans and providing employee names and photos
to the media horde that chases the fictional runaway.

Television covered the CSX train's ?capture? live at the end of its journey, but
it was months afterward before an explanation of the incident's origins was made
public, and the engineer whose mistakes were blamed for the incident was never
officially identified, nor were details of any disciplinary action taken against
him revealed.

Investigators recommended no sanctions against CSX for the incident after
concluding it resulted from a combination of improbable events that could not be
foreseen.

Contact David Patch at:
mailto:dpatch%40theblade.com
or 419-724-6094.

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Dondero
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:12 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...

We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.

Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and where the
movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton, PA as far

as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene near the
end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must have been
done on a layout... Nicely done!

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61860 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: 360/361 Alco PA
All

I'm thinking about picking up a 360/361 (or 360/364) Alco PA A-B

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee_files/photo_albums/7/9/0/7902971996/1672991996_EB4AD1B9CBD64869B53A41E60B32D8DD.jpg

Do the operators out there have any tips on running these locomotives?


Thanks!

Brady Burdge


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61861 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Winding a Diesel Field
Minimizing clearance increases power. When goosing a can motor, one of the tricks is to shim the magnets so they are as close as possible to the armature- John Marganski

, I wound a field with #26 wire. I was able to get the 35' of wire on the field but have very little clearence between the winding and the armature. 



























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Group: S-Trains Message: 61862 From: michael prell Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
+Perspective, Folks. Key word: MOV(E)---EEE!  King Kong never happened, but it could have been based that little monkey that climed to the top of the FlatIron Building in New York back in the 30's and jumped, landed in a bunch of bananas, had lunch,hopped the El and was never seen again. That's for anyone who thinks this is not train related. So there.
{;-) Mike Prell, waiting for the s-now to start in S-yracuse.

 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Thu, 11/18/10, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> wrote:


From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 2:43 AM


 



Thanks for such a quick response.

________________________________
From: Ben Perry <traindspr@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:54:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...

Greetings All;
Here is the rest of the story from the Toledo Blade.
Ben Perry

? Ex-New Englander Dave Patch sets the record straight in the Toledo Blade

Hollywood widens truth gauge in runaway train flick

By DAVID PATCH
BLADE STAFF WRITER

On a gray spring day in 2001, a 47-car CSX Transportation freight train got
loose from Stanley Yard in Lake Township with nobody aboard its locomotive and
traveled 66 miles to Kenton, Ohio, before a combined effort from railroad
workers stopped it.

Friday, Hollywood's take on that incident ? predictably exaggerated and
dramatized to make it more entertaining, but close enough to the real thing to
support the ?Inspired by true events? announcement that flashes across the
screen at its start ? hits movie screens across the United States.

In Unstoppable, Denzel Washington has the starring role of a veteran railroad
engineer whose successful pursuit of the runaway in his own locomotive slows it
down just enough so that it doesn't derail in a populated area and release
highly toxic cargo. His greenhorn conductor, played by Chris Pine, then rides a
pursuing pickup truck to the runaway's locomotive and leaps aboard to stop it.

That's not quite how the runaway was stopped 9? years ago in western Ohio, nor
was the real incident thought to have started, as shown in the film, with a
renegade engineer who couldn't be bothered to hook up his train's airbrake
system.

MOVIE VS. REALITY
? In the movie: Negligent engineer skips connecting air brakes before moving
train, then train throttle somehow powers up while engineer steps off to
reposition a track switch, train ?runs away.?

? In the real world: Engineer switching cars in railroad yard without air brake
charged (standard practice) inadvertently fails to put selector
in ?brake? before stepping off to reposition a track switch, train accelerates
instead of stopping.

? In the movie: Oncoming ?safety train? full of school children narrowly averts
head-on collision with runaway by switching tracks into a
siding with seconds to spare.

? In the real world: Northbound ?safety train,? perhaps with some children on
board, had arrived at nearby Stanley Tower shortly before the CSX runaway
embarked on its unplanned trip over the same track.

? In the movie: Engineer of second train attempts to couple onto
front of runaway train, then slow it down enough so man lowered from helicopter
can stop it. Failure is catastrophic for both men involved.

? In the real world: Didn't happen. And if it did, the second train's engineer
could have walked back from his locomotive to the runaway
train to shut it down.

? In the movie: Line of police at railroad crossing shoots at runaway train's
locomotive, trying to hit fuel-cutoff switch near fuel tank.

? In the real world: At least one Ohio state trooper took such a shot, but also
missed the target.

? In the movie: Runaway train smashes through horse trailer at crossing and
boxcar on rear of opposing freight train entering siding, then pops through
derailing devices placed on track.

? In the real world: Attempt to stop train with portable derailers fails;
nothing is smashed and no one is hurt.

? In the movie: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own locomotive,
attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves safely (albeit
with wild ?leaning? effects), and finally stops it after a pick-up truck chase.

? In the real world: Another train crew chases the runaway in its own
locomotives, attaches and brakes the runaway enough to negotiate sharp curves
safely and then allow a third railroad employee to leap aboard and shut down the
runaway.

But anyone who recalls the events of May 15, 2001, when CSX Engine 8888 rumbled
off on its own, can't miss how the real-life drama was written into the script.

CSX officials probably won't be as impressed with the film's depiction of
fictional
Allegheny & West Virginia Railroad managers' willingness to risk a
hazardous-materials catastrophe to avoid the up-front cost of derailing their
wayward train in a remote area.

CSX's first response to its runaway was to try to derail it, but the unmanned
train ran through a track switch lined against it and knocked a portable derail
mechanism off the rail without slowing down.

Only after those efforts failed was the crew of a Toledo-bound freight directed
to uncouple their engines from their train and, after the runaway passed them,
pursue it ? whereas, in the movie, managers threaten to fire Washington and Pine
when they propose the same tactic.

According to a Federal Railroad Administration report, the real train was a
yardswitching job whose engineer approached a misaligned track switch at the
throat of CSX's Stanley Yard in Lake Township at a very slow speed that was
still too fast for him to stop in time, so he climbed down from the engine to
run and re-route the switch.

But in so doing, the report said, he failed to place his engine's brake-throttle
selector in the braking position, and when he then shifted a control handle into
full-power position, it was in full-throttle instead of full-brake. While he
changed the switch, the train slowly pulled away before he could climb back
aboard.

Locomotives have mechanical brakes as well as engine brakes, and the engineer
had set the mechanical brake properly. Because that brake was set, a ?dead-man?
feature designed to stop the train if its engineer became incapacitated was
disabled.

In the movie, the engineer also steps down from the locomotive to change a track
switch, and while he's doing that, a control lever somehow moves by itself to
apply full throttle power ? one of many elements likely to irk railroadsavvy
viewers, even though only a few materially affect the story line.

Movie dialogue soon brings up the ?dead-man? feature, and a trainmaster played
by actress Rosario Dawson explains that because the train's air brakes are not
connected, it wouldn't work. Th at isn't exactly true, as the dead-man feature
should also activate the locomotives' own brakes, but for the sake of simplicity
one could assume that the movie engineer also applied the locomotive brakes.

Among the movie's first attempts to stop the runaway is the dispatch of another
train's locomotives to pull out ahead of it, let it catch up, and then brake
enough to allow a combat-veteran railroad employee dangling from a helicopter to
drop aboard the unoccupied train.

But a sudden jolt sends the man crashing through a windshield, ending that
effort, and an aborted attempt to derail the runaway at this point succeeds only
at sending the slow-down engines careening off the track and wrecking in a huge,
unrealistic fireball.

While CSX might have considered sending engines out ahead of the real runaway as
a last resort, this part of the movie is pure fiction.

Had one or more locomotives coupled onto the real runaway's front engine, or
even just been pushed by it, anyone aboard the ?rescue? engine could have just
walked to the unoccupied ones and shut them down ? no copters required, nor
fireballs, either.

Such thinking, of course, would have significantly shortened the story.

The real-life chase crew caught up to the runaway several miles before it
reached
Kenton, coupled onto its rear car, and braked it enough to get through sharp
curves in town without derailing. Then a CSX trainmaster, Jon Hosfeld, was able
to run alongside at a road crossing just south of Kenton, pull himself aboard
Engine 8888, and stop it.

One way in which the movie and real life agree is the hazardous material carried
in some of the runaway's cars.

Phenol is a chemical used in a wide variety of industrial processes that can
cause skin, eye, or internal organ damage if touched or ingested, and is a toxic
inhalation hazard if involved in a fire. While it does not readily ignite on its
own, molten phenol easily ignites combustible materials, and burning phenol
vapors may form explosive mixtures with air.

While the threat of fire was real, had the CSX runaway jumped the tracks in
Kenton ? or beyond ? and its two carloads of phenol had ruptured, Unstoppable
amps up the threat by quadrupling the phenol car-count and by placing the sharp
curve atop a trestle next to a tank farm in a big city.

It also implies that a phenol incident would wipe out a large area, which is
uncertain at best, though in a fire phenol could kill or severely injure
bystanders.

But perhaps the most incredible aspect of Unstoppable is the speed and detail to
which news media portrayed in the film gain information about the incident and
those involved as it unfolds.

For a railroad on the verge of a major disaster, the A&WV is amazingly
cooperative about explaining its plans and providing employee names and photos
to the media horde that chases the fictional runaway.

Television covered the CSX train's ?capture? live at the end of its journey, but
it was months afterward before an explanation of the incident's origins was made
public, and the engineer whose mistakes were blamed for the incident was never
officially identified, nor were details of any disciplinary action taken against
him revealed.

Investigators recommended no sanctions against CSX for the incident after
concluding it resulted from a combination of improbable events that could not be
foreseen.

Contact David Patch at:
dpatch@...
or 419-724-6094.

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Dondero
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...

We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.

Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and where the
movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton, PA as far

as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene near the
end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must have been
done on a layout... Nicely done!

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61863 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
Had to make sure it was the same movie because I never heard the movie
name talking to people who were there as extras.

The movie was filmed in part in Beech Creek, PA about 10 miles from the
major city of Lock Haven (where I live now), population about 10,000.

From what the locals told me (I grew up here and returned home summer
2009 but was gone for over 40 years) they used some abandoned rail lines
from an old shortline and built the whole area up as a set.
Unfortunately it was done before I moved back but I understand some of
it remains..

If I can find exactly where I'll run up and take some pictures to share
of whatever is still there.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 11/17/2010 7:12 PM, Russ Dondero wrote:
>
> We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.
>
> Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and
> where the
> movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton,
> PA as far
> as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
> Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene
> near the
> end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must
> have been
> done on a layout... Nicely done!
>
> Russ in Oregon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61864 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
A little more detail.

Filming was also done in Tyrone, Mill Hall, Blanchard and a number of
other small towns in central PA.

http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/512639/Movie-makers-coming-to-Mill-Hall.html
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/514274/Tyrone-scenes-pivotal-to--Unstoppable--plot.html
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/513113/-Unstoppable--movie-crew-to-stop-here.html


Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 11/17/2010 7:12 PM, Russ Dondero wrote:
>
> We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.
>
> Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and
> where the
> movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton,
> PA as far
> as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
> Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene
> near the
> end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must
> have been
> done on a layout... Nicely done!
>
> Russ in Oregon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61865 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE - UNSTOPPABLE...
one more item, the actual RR used for the film

http://www.nshr.com/NBER%20page.html

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 11/17/2010 7:12 PM, Russ Dondero wrote:
>
> We just saw the movie Unstoppable. Great train flick.
>
> Since many of you live in PA where it took place in real life and
> where the
> movie was done - do you recognize the geography? There is no Stanton,
> PA as far
> as I know. So what towns & city were pictured in the movie...? I lived in
> Carlisle for 5 years and it clearly isn't that part of PA. The scene
> near the
> end where the runaway loco is on the loop going through the town must
> have been
> done on a layout... Nicely done!
>
> Russ in Oregon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61866 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: MOVIE: UNSTOPPABLE
I have not seen the movie yet(the lines at the theaters here are LONG,) but watched portions of it being filmed right here in Eastern Ohio on the Wheeling & Lake Erie shortline. Other portions were done in upstate New York, Northern West Virginia, and Western Pennsylvania. And OF COURSE Hollywood.
Even from the preveiws, it is obvious there are a LOT of computer generated effects. However according an assiatnt director I talked to during filming, there are at least two scenes where they built full scale plywood mock ups of the trains to destroy.
The curved arched stone bridge in the film is right in downtown Bellaire,Ohio seven miles from my home, and is the old Baltimore & Ohio "Bellaire Viaduct" still in use today by the Wheeling & Lake Erie. The scenes where the police cars, fire trucks, and ambulances are running down a street beside the speeding train were shot right here in Martins Ferry, and if you look real close, you might see me as a bystander.
Denzel Washington was flown into the area for one day, and was the only actor here. 99% of what was done here is known as "Second Unit" filming, mostly action sequences, stunt work, and backgrounds. Nearly all of the actors worked before "green screens" in Hollywood, or at another "location" shoot.
I might add that movie making is actually hours of boring set up, a few minutes of action, then hours of bordom to make the next set up. The UNSTOPPABLE company was here for weeks to get what will probably be a few minutes of what shows on the screen.
This area also recently hosted the crew of a film with the working title of "Super Eight," a sci-fi story that takes place in the seventies.
Stumpy Stone in sleepy little Martins Ferry, Ohio.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61867 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Hi Brady,

I have a nice of 360/364's for sale. Also an ABA set.

"S"incerely, Pete Henningsen

----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:56 am
Subject: [S-Trains] 360/361 Alco PA
To: s-trains

> All
>
> I'm thinking about picking up a 360/361 (or 360/364) Alco PA A-B
>
> http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee_files/photo_albums/7/9/0/7902971996/1672991996_EB4AD1B9CBD64869B53A41E60B32D8DD.jpg
>
> Do the operators out there have any tips on running these locomotives?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61868 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
I just put 'em on the track and let 'em rip!
I have the 360/364 with passenger cars.

Rick


On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:32 AM, Brady Burdge wrote:

> All
>
> I'm thinking about picking up a 360/361 (or 360/364) Alco PA A-B
>
> http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee_files/photo_albums/7/9/0/7902971996/1672991996_EB4AD1B9CBD64869B53A41E60B32D8DD.jpg
>
> Do the operators out there have any tips on running these locomotives?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brady Burdge
>
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>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61869 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Fw: [AIRops] Fw: [S-Trains] RE:MOVIE: UNSTOPPABLE
This is from a friend in the business (Hollywood set builder).
Bill Winans


Helena and I ARE going to see "Unstoppable" because there is NO CG (Computer
Graphics) in it. It is all live action, Built sets (What I do) or models
(Model-making is another craft that has been decimated by CG).

I do not expect it to be a cinematic masterpiece.

Paul Catapano
Group: S-Trains Message: 61870 From: Timboy Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Hi Brady.

Happy to put my 2 cents in when it comes to actually running trains or building a layout. First off, I would not buy it off eBay. Period. I don't care who the seller is and what they claim. It's buying a pig in a poke. But that is just me and my opinion. What I would do is go to a train show and look for that seller who has really nice things - not the average seller. Here is what I would look for in a candidate. The appearance has to be excellent with no repro parts, decals, re-paint jobs, etc. I would carefully examine the underside. Are there ruts worn into the slider shoes? Are the wheels pitted? If it has traction wheels, is the rubber intact? Are the sideframes in excellent condition? Are the steps present? I would grasp the drive wheels with my fingers and try to wiggle them. Are they tight? How much play is there? More than just a very little bit signals me that the loco will need rebushed and although I can do it, I don't want to - so I would rule that candidate out. If everything checked out, then I would start asking questions - if the vendor wasn't already yacking my ears off. I would ask him how it runs. I would ask him if he was the original owner or knew who that was. I would ask him if I could take it to a test track. Keep in mind that I can do anything needed to get a junker Alco running, but I don't want to. If you can, then that is your decision to factor in. I would point out to the vendor all of the good things I see about the piece. I would expect the vendor to point out to me any disclosure he knows about. If he doesn't, then that tells me something about him. If everything is okay, I would make him a lowish offer and expect him to bargain me up.
Others may have info for you and I hope they do.
Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> All
>
> I'm thinking about picking up a 360/361 (or 360/364) Alco PA A-B
>
> http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee_files/photo_albums/7/9/0/7902971996/1672991996_EB4AD1B9CBD64869B53A41E60B32D8DD.jpg
>
> Do the operators out there have any tips on running these locomotives?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61871 From: robert hendrickson Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Generosity of a train person
Judging from your post Bob Iannacone embodies and exemplifies what this hobby is supposed to be about. The hobby and the world need more like him.

--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Generosity of a train person
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:33 PM


 



Back in October, I acquired a 336 AF engine and I wanted to know how to tell if it was a large or small motor, which I found out in time it was a large motor.

Bob Iannacone, on the S list and a TCA member who I never met, spoke to or written to before sent me a email about the motor in how to determine what it was.

He also knew I was in search of a 24003 SF box car to complete a set from 1958, as it is listed as a common car in the TM and Greenberg book, but I have been searching for this car for over a year.

The car came in a set with a rare 21145 engine and has 12 cars in the set, making it the longest train set AF ever put out. As for those in the TCA, the gimmick in this set was to have a figure 8 and have the engine barely miss the caboose at the end. All of the cars are common, most noted to me, are the two UP Hoppers.

I only saw on SF box car at York in terrible condition and two on EBay that I missed out on, with my bid at 125 for a car listed at 56 in the current Greenberg book.

I have seen more of the rare Rath’s and BAR red reefer cars on eBay and at York than this SF car. I have two of each. LOL

I have Bob’s email below, in which he told me he was going to give me one of his 24003’s box car, as I was completely shock that some one was going to do this, as he does sell trains too and I am sure he could of sold it for at least the 56 dollars or more.

Bob does have a website for his trains he sells, www.americanflyertrains4u.com but I do not think he was doing this to get me to buy something from him. I think he really wanted to do for the reason he writes below.

I told him I was going to write about what he did for me.

I told him I was going to send him something in return because I want to. still trying to figure out what, maybe a check for it. I did learn he did go to the U of MD like I did, but 10 years before me.

Maybe a bushel of crabs might hit the spot.

thanks again Bob, you are into this not for the business side but because you love doing what you do.

It is much appreciated.

I am sending this to the TCA list too, as Bob is not on this list, I think, but a TCA member, but still he was not, I would send this to the TCA list, as many on this list are not TCA members, but should know about Bob.

I really wanted you all to know what Bob did for me in this unusual act of kindness to me as he did not have to do this.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

From: Bob Iannacone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:35 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: Re: 336

Good evening Mike. I inquired about the 24003 because I have two. In fact, I'm going to send you one to complete your set. It's in pretty good shape. No cost to you, just sharing with someone who enjoys Maine like we do. Have a great rest of the week.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61872 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Generosity of a train person
Bob,

Yes, Bob does.

I wanted to do something for Bob in return, as I knew he would not take a check.

I know he went to U of MD in the early 60s so I thought of getting him a nice MD sweatshirt.

I told him last night I am going to donate 75.00 to Toys for Tots, as I give them 50.00 ever July, so this will be a additional donation.

He liked that idea.

We need more like Bob in this world.

Mike Marmer

From: robert hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:17 AM
To: Toy Trains ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Steve Conard ; Ralph Loveless
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Generosity of a train person


Judging from your post Bob Iannacone embodies and exemplifies what this hobby is supposed to be about. The hobby and the world need more like him.

--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Generosity of a train person
To: "Toy Trains" <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net>, "Ralph Loveless" <mailto:ralcor888%40gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:33 PM



Back in October, I acquired a 336 AF engine and I wanted to know how to tell if it was a large or small motor, which I found out in time it was a large motor.

Bob Iannacone, on the S list and a TCA member who I never met, spoke to or written to before sent me a email about the motor in how to determine what it was.

He also knew I was in search of a 24003 SF box car to complete a set from 1958, as it is listed as a common car in the TM and Greenberg book, but I have been searching for this car for over a year.

The car came in a set with a rare 21145 engine and has 12 cars in the set, making it the longest train set AF ever put out. As for those in the TCA, the gimmick in this set was to have a figure 8 and have the engine barely miss the caboose at the end. All of the cars are common, most noted to me, are the two UP Hoppers.

I only saw on SF box car at York in terrible condition and two on EBay that I missed out on, with my bid at 125 for a car listed at 56 in the current Greenberg book.

I have seen more of the rare Rath’s and BAR red reefer cars on eBay and at York than this SF car. I have two of each. LOL

I have Bob’s email below, in which he told me he was going to give me one of his 24003’s box car, as I was completely shock that some one was going to do this, as he does sell trains too and I am sure he could of sold it for at least the 56 dollars or more.

Bob does have a website for his trains he sells, www.americanflyertrains4u.com but I do not think he was doing this to get me to buy something from him. I think he really wanted to do for the reason he writes below.

I told him I was going to write about what he did for me.

I told him I was going to send him something in return because I want to. still trying to figure out what, maybe a check for it. I did learn he did go to the U of MD like I did, but 10 years before me.

Maybe a bushel of crabs might hit the spot.

thanks again Bob, you are into this not for the business side but because you love doing what you do.

It is much appreciated.

I am sending this to the TCA list too, as Bob is not on this list, I think, but a TCA member, but still he was not, I would send this to the TCA list, as many on this list are not TCA members, but should know about Bob.

I really wanted you all to know what Bob did for me in this unusual act of kindness to me as he did not have to do this.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

From: Bob Iannacone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:35 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: Re: 336

Good evening Mike. I inquired about the 24003 because I have two. In fact, I'm going to send you one to complete your set. It's in pretty good shape. No cost to you, just sharing with someone who enjoys Maine like we do. Have a great rest of the week.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61873 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: Generosity of a train person
Thanks for the recognition and compliment Robert.  This is a great hobby with a
lot of wonderful people.  Mike Marmer is just one of those terrific
individuals.  I'm proud to be a part of the hobby.  Happy Thanksgiving to
everyone next week.

Bob




________________________________
From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Steve
Conard <steve.conard@...>; Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 10:17:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Generosity of a train person

 
Judging from your post Bob Iannacone embodies and exemplifies what this hobby is
supposed to be about. The hobby and the world need more like him.

--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Generosity of a train person
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains"
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Ralph
Loveless" <ralcor888@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:33 PM

 

Back in October, I acquired a 336 AF engine and I wanted to know how to tell if
it was a large or small motor, which I found out in time it was a large motor.

Bob Iannacone, on the S list and a TCA member who I never met, spoke to or
written to before sent me a email about the motor in how to determine what it
was.

He also knew I was in search of a 24003 SF box car to complete a set from 1958,
as it is listed as a common car in the TM and Greenberg book, but I have been
searching for this car for over a year.

The car came in a set with a rare 21145 engine and has 12 cars in the set,
making it the longest train set AF ever put out. As for those in the TCA, the
gimmick in this set was to have a figure 8 and have the engine barely miss the
caboose at the end. All of the cars are common, most noted to me, are the two UP
Hoppers.

I only saw on SF box car at York in terrible condition and two on EBay that I
missed out on, with my bid at 125 for a car listed at 56 in the current
Greenberg book.

I have seen more of the rare Rath’s and BAR red reefer cars on eBay and at York
than this SF car. I have two of each. LOL

I have Bob’s email below, in which he told me he was going to give me one of his
24003’s box car, as I was completely shock that some one was going to do this,
as he does sell trains too and I am sure he could of sold it for at least the 56
dollars or more.

Bob does have a website for his trains he sells, www.americanflyertrains4u.com
but I do not think he was doing this to get me to buy something from him. I
think he really wanted to do for the reason he writes below.

I told him I was going to write about what he did for me.

I told him I was going to send him something in return because I want to. still
trying to figure out what, maybe a check for it. I did learn he did go to the U
of MD like I did, but 10 years before me.

Maybe a bushel of crabs might hit the spot.

thanks again Bob, you are into this not for the business side but because you
love doing what you do.

It is much appreciated.

I am sending this to the TCA list too, as Bob is not on this list, I think, but
a TCA member, but still he was not, I would send this to the TCA list, as many
on this list are not TCA members, but should know about Bob.

I really wanted you all to know what Bob did for me in this unusual act of
kindness to me as he did not have to do this.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

From: Bob Iannacone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:35 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: Re: 336

Good evening Mike. I inquired about the 24003 because I have two. In fact, I'm
going to send you one to complete your set. It's in pretty good shape. No cost
to you, just sharing with someone who enjoys Maine like we do. Have a great rest
of the week.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61874 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: "S"acto convention -- Procedures.......and other stuff......
Gentlemen....

This email is somewhat lengthy and not particularly interesting. It deals
with the nitty gritty of the procedures the NMRA is using for registration,
hotel rooms, tours, etc. for the 2011 NASG/NMRA convention in Sacramento.
While not exciting (no color pictures), it is important that you read this
and act swiftly when the time comes. Things might change and, if they do, I
will send out another email.

1. There are two convention hotels -- the Sheraton and the Hyatt. Both are
really close to the Sacramento Convention Center and it is an easy walk.
The Sheraton is directly across the street and the Hyatt is about two short
city blocks away. Approximate cost will be $109+tax per night at either
hotel.

2. If you are registered for the convention, you will receive an email
informing you that your hotel room request can be submitted to the NMRA via
an online shopping cart system. All hotel rooms will be assigned by the
NMRA and you will be informed appropriately. As a general rule, if you are
reserving for the full week (Sunday through Saturday) then you will probably
be assigned to the Sheraton. If you are staying for a partial week, then
you will probably be assigned to the Hyatt. The exact date this email will
be sent out is unknown, but possibly around the first of the year. There
are no provisions for sending in a letter or filling out a form to make
hotel reservations. The age of the internet has arrived!

3. If you are not registered for the convention, then you will not be able
to register for a hotel room at the special convention rate of $109. You
certainly can contact the hotels in question, or any other hotel, and
attempt to make reservations on your own. You might find the "sold out"
sign or you might not. No way to predict at this point in time.

4. Email messages will also be sent out to Registrants informing them of
the opportunity to sign up for layout tours, the NASG banquet, all events,
extra-cost clinics, buy merchandise, order the official S scale convention
cars (both scale and AF), etc., etc. As with hotels, you will use an
online shopping cart to sign up for things and have it all charged to your
credit card. I doubt that PayPal will be acceptable, but that might change
as time goes on. Nobody is excited about the PayPal fees. Signing up for
things promptly is the best way to be assured of getting what you want.

4 (continued). Note that some events have limited quantities. For
instance, there are only so many tables at the NASG Roundhouse Revue & BBQ
too!! (which is a fancy name for our annual banquet). Yes, we are
investigating some professional entertainment. So bring the whole family.
Other events, such as bus tours, train rides, speeder rides, diesel engineer
opportunities (drive a real diesel), certain clinics, etc. also have limited
quantities. Once they are sold out, they are gone..... The early bird
gets the worm!

5. Certain events will be marked as "NASG" or "S-oriented". For these
events only, folks who have checked the NASG box on their registration form
will have a unique window of opportunity to sign up without competition from
the hordes of non-S folks. If you did not check the NASG box on your
registration form, you might want to contact the Registrar and ask him to
check it for you now. It is not necessary to be a member of NASG to check
this box. This window of opportunity will be quite short -- maybe only a
few weeks. When the window expires, then anyone attending the convention
can sign up for any S-oriented event. It is very possible for S-oriented
events to be totally filled up with S guys and S gals. That would please us
all, I am sure. If an S-oriented event is not sold out to us S folks, then
the HO and N folks will be able to join us if they choose. Think of it as a
missionary opportunity. Get my drift?

5 (continued) This window of opportunity will be announced when you receive
your email regarding tours and events. I do not know when this email will
be sent out, but one possibility is mid-December. If that actually happens,
you will have at least two weeks (until the first of the year) to sign up
for S-oriented events without any competition from the non-S registrants. I
am working toward getting this window of opportunity extended, but we cannot
count on that happening for certain. For the time being, it would be best
for you to act as if the window will close in two weeks. The exact dates
will be included in the email when it comes. Read it carefully and act
quickly.

6. At some point in time, you will be able to sign up for non-S-oriented
events. For these events, you will be in competition with everyone else --
all 1,200 of them -- since regular events will be open to everyone else.
Even for these events and tours, you should act swiftly. The email for the
regular events will probably be sent out right around the first of the new
year. Note that these projected dates are estimates and could change.

7. If you have a low registration number, you will get your emails early.
If you have a high registration number, you will receive your emails later.
Now you know why I exhorted everyone to register early. I do not know
exactly when all this will happen, but it will begin sometime in January (we
think). The first batch of emails will be sent out to those people who
registered before the Hartford, CT NMRA convention in 2009. The next batch
will be to those people who registered before the Milwaukee, WI NMRA
convention this past summer. And so forth. I cannot tell you when your
email will be sent out based on your registration number. If your email
address has changed, you should provide your new address to the Registrar so
that he has the correct email in his computer. If you cannot be reached by
email, you will not be reached easily.

8. At this time, we do not know the price of the NASG Roundhouse Revue &
BBQ too!!, the S-oriented home layout tours, or much of anything else that
is S specific. Please do not ask me about prices at this time. The price
will be shown on the online shopping cart when the time comes. I will say
that, in my opinion, you will have superb events for a reasonable price.
California is an expensive state and we are right in the middle of the
capitol city. I am dedicated to making this the most memorable NASG
convention ever in the entire history of mankind on Planet Earth, but it
will not be at the low end of the price range. But you will still be
talking about it years from now.....

As usual, you can check out the web site for all kinds of detailed
information regarding the S convention cars (yes, plural), banquet, home
layout tours with both S and Sn3, the Welcoming Gathering with a special
guest speaker, and -- have I mentioned this before? -- the NASG Roundhouse
Revue & BBQ too!!.

http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html

See you in "S"acto......Ed Loizeaux
Group: S-Trains Message: 61875 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 11/18/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Brady:
Here's what you have with a 360/364:
It's the first Alco AF made, with link couplers
Dual motors-good, but they have the smaller fields and armatures that were improved with the later diesels. They pull, ok, but the larger motors are better. Also NO traction tires (Pull-Mor), and no pick up slider shoes.
If it has slider shoes and knuckle couplers IT AIN'T ORIGINAL. The sideframe assemblies are interchangeable, however, so knuckle conversion would work out with a knuckle assembly.
Grasp all of the wheelsets, one at a time, between your thumb and forefinger, and wiggle it to see if there's a lot of play. (It should have very little.) If so, it will run slower due to the axles being loose, which disorients the wheel position. The chassis will have to be completely stripped down to the wheels and have the bushings redone. Very common with this model. You can get the replacement bushings from Port Lines, and knock them out and replace them yourself. The newer trucks need precision machining to replace the bushings.
All AF diesels require a lot of knowledge to get/keep them running right.
Steve
Please note: message attached

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To: s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 360/361 Alco PA
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:32:37 -0600



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61876 From: Timboy Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Brady,

It looks like there are at least two of us who urge you to test how much play is in the drive wheels. Apparently, that IS a good idea. LOL

Let us know how you make out!

Regards,
Timboy


> Grasp all of the wheelsets, one at a time, between your thumb and forefinger, and wiggle it to see if there's a lot of play. (It should have very little.) If so, it will run slower due to the axles being loose, which disorients the wheel position. The chassis will have to be completely stripped down to the wheels and have the bushings redone. Very common with this model. You can get the replacement bushings from Port Lines, and knock them out and replace them yourself.
> Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 61877 From: Dave Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: LED Replacement Lights For AF
We now have the LED head light and back-up light assemblies for American Flyer steam engines produced between 1946 & 1966 (except the 0-8-0 NKP & docksiders) as previously stated in this groups posts.
These may be viewed at our web site by using the link below.


http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html


For further info. please contact us off group.
Thank you all for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
DBA: LBR Restorations U.S.A.
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
(502) 292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 61878 From: David Highfield Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Unstoppable
I saw the movie yesterday near Gettysburg, PA. The theater has large
screens, great sound, and super seating. There were 7 people in the
theater - more like a private showing!

The action is pretty continuous with little or no CG that I could see.
When the DVD comes out I will be able to slow down and pause the train
action to get a better grasp of all the movement and camera shaking.

One good thing - the touching family stories never intruded on the
train action. Actually the family stories could have been easily
omitted!

Unstoppable was well worth the $6.50 I paid to see it on the big
screen. Now...let's see if I can duplicate some of the Unstoppable
action on my layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61879 From: Timboy Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi,

I am finished with the section I was working on and will move forward. I took this past week to install my central control panel, do wiring, tweak the blocks, tweak and clean the tracks and debug the system. I am at the half-way point!

If you would like to follow along, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61880 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: New Poll
Hi Lou.  My vote.  I'll be adding the Grey #3977 Union Pacific  Challenger
6-48834 to my American Flyer collection.  Have a great weekend.

Bob




________________________________
From: lou342ac <lou342ac@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 8:00:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Poll

 
I created new poll to determine which of the four new American Flyer Challenger
Engines will be added to your collections. Please take a moment to vote which
one you will be buying. Thanks,
Lou Baldi








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61881 From: richs009 Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: buying on eBay
At the risk of starting an extended conversation, I just wanted to say that I've had reasonable luck purchasing Flyer and S-Helper stuff on eBay. I've had a couple of disappointments, but they weren't expensive and the quality isn't any worse than a couple of my older cars, etc. Sure, one has to look carefully at the pictures and decide whether it's what you are willing to live with. On the other hand, I've scored some very nice finds - a UP GP7 (372) for example, that was better than I would have guessed from the pictures and for a price under either Greenberg or what I've seen at some train shows.

Frankly, I've been more disappointed with what is available at train shows. Maybe its because I live on the west coast, where Flyer wasn't as wide-spread as back East. Not to say that I haven't made some nice purchases at these events, but the pickings can be pretty slim... Like Timboy said, the ability to inspect the merchandise before buying is an advantage. Still, with some care, you can do pretty well on eBay (no commercialism on my part, I don't sell on eBay...). Some sellers will let you return items - at your shipping cost (I haven't had to do that).

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 61882 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Buying on eBay is fine.

You have to ask questions to be sure.

I have many great purchases on eBay, the last was a wonderful LN 21139 with original number boards.

I got lots of pictures and all my questions where answer.

eBay lets you see things you are collecting elsewhere in the country that you might not see at a show near you.

I do not understand those who say that eBay is a terrible place to buy trains.

I use eBay to buy other things, collectables and non collectables allot.


Ask questions. if you do not get the answers, then don’t buy from this person.

Mike

From: richs009
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:45 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] buying on eBay


At the risk of starting an extended conversation, I just wanted to say that I've had reasonable luck purchasing Flyer and S-Helper stuff on eBay. I've had a couple of disappointments, but they weren't expensive and the quality isn't any worse than a couple of my older cars, etc. Sure, one has to look carefully at the pictures and decide whether it's what you are willing to live with. On the other hand, I've scored some very nice finds - a UP GP7 (372) for example, that was better than I would have guessed from the pictures and for a price under either Greenberg or what I've seen at some train shows.

Frankly, I've been more disappointed with what is available at train shows. Maybe its because I live on the west coast, where Flyer wasn't as wide-spread as back East. Not to say that I haven't made some nice purchases at these events, but the pickings can be pretty slim... Like Timboy said, the ability to inspect the merchandise before buying is an advantage. Still, with some care, you can do pretty well on eBay (no commercialism on my part, I don't sell on eBay...). Some sellers will let you return items - at your shipping cost (I haven't had to do that).

- Rich





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61883 From: George Cohn Date: 11/19/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
On 11/19/2010 2:45 PM, richs009 wrote:
> At the risk of starting an extended conversation, I just wanted to say
> that I've had reasonable luck purchasing Flyer and S-Helper stuff on
> eBay.

I buy AF stuff on eBay occasionally when it strikes my fancy. I prefer
the garden variety "runner" stuff to the rare or unobtanium. I rarely
pay more than $20 for a car and haven't been disappointed in a long while.

My one bad AF - eBay experience had to do with a vendor a couple of
years ago who insisted on a money order and shipped the wrong item.
When I asked nicely to exchange it, he ignored me, so after a month I
filed a complaint.

He then filed a "non-paying" bidder complaint against me and it took
months for eBay to resolve it. At that, I was out $24 + shipping as he
never sent the correct item, and I will never do business with that
seller again.

Many of the small sellers are honest and ask a fair price. It's those
who think that just because something is 50 years old it is worth a
fortune that I find annoying, like $100 starting prices for common
engines like the 307.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61884 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
There are going to be good and bad experiences in buying trains on eBay or at a show.

I don’t think it is fair for anyone to say do not buy anything on eBay. I respect that person’s feelings on where or not to buy things, but I don’t think eBay should be condemned as a bad thing. It is not.

My very first eBay buy was a mint in box, walking brakeman, the rarer one from a seller in NJ who has a tropical fish store. I had tropical fish for 30 years before the trains. We where email friends for about five years. Lost touch with him.

I don’t recall seeing a 307 for 100, starting price, but usually that would be from someone who is not in the train business, has this item, that he or she might have from childhood and since it is old, they think they might have something of value at this price. And it does not sell. Can’t blame them for trying. I am sure there are lots of 307s on eBay at reasonable prices.

I will say that I have seen something like a 307 for 100 at a antique shop, as they are relying on a impulse buy, like I had this as a kid, etc..

Mike

From: George Cohn
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:50 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buying on eBay


On 11/19/2010 2:45 PM, richs009 wrote:
> At the risk of starting an extended conversation, I just wanted to say
> that I've had reasonable luck purchasing Flyer and S-Helper stuff on
> eBay.

I buy AF stuff on eBay occasionally when it strikes my fancy. I prefer
the garden variety "runner" stuff to the rare or unobtanium. I rarely
pay more than $20 for a car and haven't been disappointed in a long while.

My one bad AF - eBay experience had to do with a vendor a couple of
years ago who insisted on a money order and shipped the wrong item.
When I asked nicely to exchange it, he ignored me, so after a month I
filed a complaint.

He then filed a "non-paying" bidder complaint against me and it took
months for eBay to resolve it. At that, I was out $24 + shipping as he
never sent the correct item, and I will never do business with that
seller again.

Many of the small sellers are honest and ask a fair price. It's those
who think that just because something is 50 years old it is worth a
fortune that I find annoying, like $100 starting prices for common
engines like the 307.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61885 From: Timboy Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Yet Another eBay Post
Hi everyone!

Oh, what the heck; let's all have yet another endless eBay discussion. Why not? What else do we have to do, except BUILD something, maybe! LOL

Anyway, here goes:

Here are some things I think I think about eBay sellers:

· Ill-tempered: when a seller has a long list of "thall shalt nots" for the buyer. Ohhhhhh, I wouldn't want to transgress!
· Laughable: when the seller says that the item "grades out" to… It's as if he has a "TCA Checklist" on a clipboard and goes all over the piece checking off the appropriate boxes, then totaling up a weighted score and looking that net score up on a TCA chart. LOL
· Funny: when a seller claims that the POC he is selling is "excellent, except for…". If the back end of the Baldwin is missing, then the piece isn't "excellent, except for…"
· Hilarious: when the seller shows his hand holding the loco with wires running to the transformer and the loco is puffing clouds of smoke. Even a mediocre smoker will puff good smoke when hot-wired like that!
· Arrogant: when the seller lists his TCA and TOS numbers. Like that even means anything.
· Crafty: when the seller shows a slightly out-of-focus pic from just the right angle and apologizes for his bad camera. Uh-huh.
· Shrewd: when the seller shows his item on a wondrous layout and how marvelous that piece looks in place there.
· Frustrating: when I pay instantly for something and the seller takes his sweet time to ship, then wants MY feedback first.
· Infuriating when the seller will not actually answer my emails to him, but instead sends back boiler-plate responses.

And guess what? As a seller, I've done them all! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61886 From: John McAlonan Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
My biggest frustration with E-Bay sellers lately has been the creation
of artificially high starting bid prices. You scroll through item
after item with 0 bids because the start price is way over the top.
I'm much happier when price rises because of demand and active
bidding. Just my two cents.

Mac
Fire on the Ridge Farm
Willow, KY
Group: S-Trains Message: 61887 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Unstoppable
David,
I went to see Unstoppable the day it came out. Lots of action and exciting shots! However, Hollywood will be Hollywood and some of the embelishments I thought unnecessary were:
In the real incident, there were no fatalities.....not even any serious injuries. IMHO, not necessary in the movie!
There were no crashes. Again, Hollywood overplaying the real world!
The scene on the curve was the too much; train up on it's outside wheels, but did not derail.
Even so, an action packed, edge of your seat kind of movie and worth the money! I live near the point of the start of the real incident and had the pleasure of hearing the details from a now former employee of CSX.

As a former fighter pilot, seeing in the past, two other movies where Hollywood went overboard were: Top Gun and Iron Eagle. Lots of BS!

Gary Chudzinski


>Unstoppable
>Posted by: "David Highfield" davidhighmd@... davidhighf
>Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:07 am (PST)
>I saw the movie yesterday near Gettysburg, PA. The theater has large
>screens, great sound, and super seating. There were 7 people in the
>theater - more like a private showing!

>The action is pretty continuous with little or no CG that I could see.
>When the DVD comes out I will be able to slow down and pause the train
>action to get a better grasp of all the movement and camera shaking.

>One good thing - the touching family stories never intruded on the
>train action. Actually the family stories could have been easily
>omitted!

>Unstoppable was well worth the $6.50 I paid to see it on the big
>screen. Now...let's see if I can duplicate some of the Unstoppable
>action on my layout.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61888 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: 360/361 Alco PA
Thanks to everyone for their inputs, I'll let you know how it goes

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61889 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: 15B Transformer (was Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
<< I am finished with the section I was working on and will move
forward. I took this past week to install my central control panel, do
wiring, tweak the blocks, tweak and clean the tracks and debug the
system. I am at the half-way point! >>

Timboy

There's a caution on the port Lines web site about the 15B transformer
"...Finally, there is a small problem with the smaller American Flyer
turret transformers, such as the 15B and 16B. On each end of the
roller's path there is a plate. On these transformers there is a voltage
difference of about 3 volts between the low end plate and the first
winding. If the roller is left in a position near the lowest possible
speed with the handle down, a dangerous overheating can occur in a s
little as 10 seconds..."

http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic6.htm

Any thoughts?


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61890 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Train Show Sunday in East Lansing MI
There's a big train show tomorrow, Sunday 21 November, 10AM to 4PM, at the MSU Pavilion in East Lansing Michigan . I'll be there selling lots of AF-compatible trains; and real AF dealers will be there too.

I have recently got restocked on a few items, including both AM & SHS high-rail track.

Tom Hawley



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61891 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Bushing an AF 360
Reading the posts about what to look for when buying a PA reminded me that I have a 360 that needs rebushing. It runs OK but has plenty of wheel wobble. The bushings have been on the shelf for a few years so it's about time. I ordered original type bushings as I could see that the had bushings already and assumed they were original factory ones.

Upon removing wheels from one axle the bushings were exposed. The surprise to me is that they are not brass. They look more like steel. And the bigger surprise to me is that they are keyed. Is this a factory job?

I did some checking with the caliper and it looks like my replacements will fit. A lesson learned already is that if you are going to do this job yourself, be sure and order the nylon insulator inserts for the insulated wheels when you order the bushings. They *will* break.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 61892 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
All the original 360 bushings were keyed steel.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 11/20/2010 12:33:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
tim.benner@... writes:




Reading the posts about what to look for when buying a PA reminded me that
I have a 360 that needs rebushing. It runs OK but has plenty of wheel
wobble. The bushings have been on the shelf for a few years so it's about time.
I ordered original type bushings as I could see that the had bushings
already and assumed they were original factory ones.

Upon removing wheels from one axle the bushings were exposed. The surprise
to me is that they are not brass. They look more like steel. And the
bigger surprise to me is that they are keyed. Is this a factory job?

I did some checking with the caliper and it looks like my replacements
will fit. A lesson learned already is that if you are going to do this job
yourself, be sure and order the nylon insulator inserts for the insulated
wheels when you order the bushings. They *will* break.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61893 From: Timboy Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: 15B Transformer (was Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Brady,

Thank you! Yes; two vivid thoughts immediately pop into my cranium for running vintage Flyer trains in original condition: 1) Why would I leave the handle in either of those two positions for any amount of time and B) I can't think of anything else. LOL

Regards,
Timboy

> There's a caution on the port Lines web site about the 15B transformer
> "...Finally, there is a small problem with the smaller American Flyer
> turret transformers, such as the 15B and 16B. On each end of the
> roller's path there is a plate. On these transformers there is a voltage
> difference of about 3 volts between the low end plate and the first
> winding. If the roller is left in a position near the lowest possible
> speed with the handle down, a dangerous overheating can occur in a s
> little as 10 seconds..."
>
> http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic6.htm
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61894 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
Thanks, Steve. The worn steel would indicate a high-mileage engine then.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> All the original 360 bushings were keyed steel.
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/2010 12:33:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> tim.benner@... writes:
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61895 From: George Cohn Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
I find that you can get a lot of nice runners for $10 or less (plus
shipping) on eBay.

You just have to read the auctions and avoid those who think they are
sitting on a pot of gold.

Over the last month, I have acquired five very nice boxcars for less
than $50.

There are of course idiots and scammers and those who think they have a
gold mine but if you shop carefully, you can add a lot of rolling stock
at a reasonable price.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61896 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: eBay
I have read some of the comments, negative about eBay, and I have no clue what the heck you are talking about with the things you all write about eBay.

eBay is just another avenue for buying trains, as I have brought many trains on eBay, I would of never seen at a local show, I never had the issues you all write about come up.

There are going to be some bad apples in life whether at a show or on eBay, but overall, eBay has been good to many of us.

If eBay was so bad, it would be out of business today.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61897 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/20/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
Yes, High mileage and lack of proper lubrication which is very common.


In a message dated 11/20/2010 5:16:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
tim.benner@... writes:




Thanks, Steve. The worn steel would indicate a high-mileage engine then.

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
boss31@... wrote:
>
> All the original 360 bushings were keyed steel.
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/2010 12:33:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> tim.benner@... writes:
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61898 From: Dave Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: SWIVEL STYLE Back Up Light
We now offer a swivel style back up light for American Flyer steam engines pre 1966. Drill one hole and four solder points. Installation instructions furnished with assembly. FREE SHIPPING in CONUS.
May be viewed at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html

For further info. please contact us off group.
Thank you all for your on going support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 61899 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Mike,

A lot of what I wrote was satirical humor. LOL

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I have read some of the comments, negative about eBay, and I have no clue what the heck you are talking about with the things you all write about eBay.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61900 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Bushing an AF 360
Also check the armature windings. With sloppy bushings the motor tends to overheat and burn the insulation on the windings

Tom David ebay aftrainmann






-----Original Message-----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 10:33 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Bushing an AF 360




Yes, High mileage and lack of proper lubrication which is very common.


In a message dated 11/20/2010 5:16:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
tim.benner@... writes:

Thanks, Steve. The worn steel would indicate a high-mileage engine then.

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
boss31@... wrote:
>
> All the original 360 bushings were keyed steel.
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/2010 12:33:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> tim.benner@... writes:
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61901 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: I Second The Motion
I was just catching up on my past e-mails and noticed the blurb by Robert
Hendrickson's praise of Bob Iannacone.

I must second his praise of Bob. Every dealing that I have had with him has
always ended up to be a VERY pleasant experience. He is a outstanding . and
great guy.. I could go on and on, but you guys get the idea.

Sincerely,
Jack Nowosielski


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61902 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
Does anyone have information on this item? It is a grey AF box car with two windows on each side. Under one window is says "Tool Car". Under the other window it says "AFMW" and under that "X1989". Next to the sliding door it says "Safety First". It came in the white box with red and blue markings. End flap has a sticker that reads X1989 Tool Car. Was this a special car made for a certain occasion or organization? Any infomation anyone might have would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 61903 From: David Dewey Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Alco 360 bushings & others
Yes, the original 360 bushings were keyed. Later ACG didn't put in bushings.
Wear on the bushings usually indicates a high milage engine, and is caused
by lack of lubrication AND electrical load. The 360s did not have slider
shoes, and pick up all their power through the wheels. The electrical
connection to the propulsion system is through the axles to the truck
chassis--which means there is a constant arcing going on in the bearing
area. You might not (probably not) see it, but it is there. This enlarges
the bearing hole (wear). If you don't think I'm right, check out a later
motor chassis with the pul-more tire on one axle set. You will often find
that axle set not worn, but the metal one, providing power, worn. The slider
shoe was added to provide two contacts to the track when ACG added pull more
wheels to the Alcos/GM engines.
As to rebushing the later chassis, those without factory supplied bushings.
This job is best done by someone who is familiar with the relationship
between the armature gears and the axle gears. You can't just trust a drill
to center on the existing hole--in fact, you DON'T want to center on the
existing hole, as it is worn to one side. the new bushings also need to be
parallel with the bottom of the truck chassis so the locomotive will ride
properly. You will find that the sides of the truck chassis are not
parallel, as there is a slight taper so the casting will come out of the
mold.
After pressing in the new bushings, they have to be reamed to the two axle
sizes (the axles are stepped, on side is smaller than the other on ACG
locos. This allows the splines for the axle drive gear to pass through the
bearing hole on one side.
Yeah, nothing is quite as simple as it seems. Those ACG engineers were
pretty clever!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61904 From: Dave Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: "McLEAN TRUCKING CO." Decals for "S"
We now offer a decal set for the "McLEAN TRUCKING COMPANY" which will fit all "S" scale trucks. This set includes two (2) different cab door & trailer front top designs used over the years. We are probably the only company offering these options in one decal set. This set can be viewed at our web site at the following link:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page06.html

For further info. about these sets PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP.
Thank you all for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc
dave@...
lbrenterprisesllc@...
502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 61905 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Tim,

Thanks for letting me, I was not sure.

Not a problem.

You are doing a good job in keeping us up to date on your layout.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:55 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay


Mike,

A lot of what I wrote was satirical humor. LOL

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I have read some of the comments, negative about eBay, and I have no clue what the heck you are talking about with the things you all write about eBay.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61906 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
HI all.

I have bought and sold lots of AF items and other stuff on Ebay, even a fishing boat with 150hp outboard, BUT, the weidest thing that happenened is this. Sold a Mint Lionel Mi Jack trailer loader, buyer says he got but did not work, so he takes it apart tries to fix it, takes it to a "Professional repair center" still broke then he wants to return it. I said no. Buyer files non-receipt claim on ebay, guess what happens? Ebay sends him full refund price and lets him keep item, I keep my payment. Buyer gets a free $300. item

Ebay is bending over backward to protect buyers.





-----Original Message-----
From: John McAlonan <macflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 8:10 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: buying on eBay




My biggest frustration with E-Bay sellers lately has been the creation
of artificially high starting bid prices. You scroll through item
after item with 0 bids because the start price is way over the top.
I'm much happier when price rises because of demand and active
bidding. Just my two cents.

Mac
Fire on the Ridge Farm
Willow, KY







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61907 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: buying on e bay
Evidently my guarding angel is protecting me because I have yet to win any bid
on e-bay.

Jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61908 From: Scott Freeman Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: K-line car help
I recently found a s-gauge K-line boxcar. I have never seen this car before. It is not in their catalogs.  The car has white sides with blue & yellow graphics. Yellow roof , ends & doors. It says Februay Fair Days & The All K-Line Train Show on the sides. I got no box with it. Does anyone know about this car? When was it made? Were they sold or given away? If so where? Any ideas? Is it rare?
Thanks Scott




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61909 From: AJ Johnson Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Wiring LEDs
Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American Flyer
crossing gate with an LED.

Does anyone know of/have any wiring diagrams or suggestions for this? I'm
not an electronics wizard, but I'm guessing I'll need some combination of a
rectifier, resistor, and LED. It will be powered by 18V AC.

Any suggestiongs/help would be much appreciated!

Thanks, AJ!


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61910 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Hi George

I have made several purchases on E Bay in the last month have got good items in E to E- nad Vg for reasonable prices and I always look at shipping cost if you get an Item at a good price but pay high shipping prices than it's not a good deal

thanks Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buying on eBay



I find that you can get a lot of nice runners for $10 or less (plus
shipping) on eBay.

You just have to read the auctions and avoid those who think they are
sitting on a pot of gold.

Over the last month, I have acquired five very nice boxcars for less
than $50.

There are of course idiots and scammers and those who think they have a
gold mine but if you shop carefully, you can add a lot of rolling stock
at a reasonable price.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61911 From: Gale Hall Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
Rich,

I am sure several will answer this question, it was a reworked car that was a project of the Central NY S gaugers, Walt Danalak did a great deal of the work on the project and it did not come from AF or Lionel as a car, just came from Lionel or was a special run of shells...grey plastic.

gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: acgilbertguy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car



Does anyone have information on this item? It is a grey AF box car with two windows on each side. Under one window is says "Tool Car". Under the other window it says "AFMW" and under that "X1989". Next to the sliding door it says "Safety First". It came in the white box with red and blue markings. End flap has a sticker that reads X1989 Tool Car. Was this a special car made for a certain occasion or organization? Any infomation anyone might have would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rich





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61912 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: K-line car help
Dear Scott,
I think I know. Maury Kline was sick of paying the big bucks to go
to the Toy Fair in New York City every winter. The first year he held
his own show about 25 mile away from mid-town NYC. We were invited to
display the first year he held the show. He did quite well at the
show and I think he either gave or sold these cars at the show.
Don

On Nov 21, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Scott Freeman wrote:

> I recently found a s-gauge K-line boxcar. I have never seen this car
> before. It is not in their catalogs. The car has white sides with
> blue & yellow graphics. Yellow roof , ends & doors. It says Februay
> Fair Days & The All K-Line Train Show on the sides. I got no box
> with it. Does anyone know about this car? When was it made? Were
> they sold or given away? If so where? Any ideas? Is it rare?
> Thanks Scott
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61913 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Mike;

Thank you!

You were my inspiration for taking my endeavor online! Since technology always pushes forward and makes us want; I did a blog. The next "want" will probably be Twitter. Who will that be?

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Thanks for letting me, I was not sure.
>
> Not a problem.
>
> You are doing a good job in keeping us up to date on your layout.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Timboy
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay
>
>
> Mike,
>
> A lot of what I wrote was satirical humor. LOL
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > I have read some of the comments, negative about eBay, and I have no clue what the heck you are talking about with the things you all write about eBay.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61914 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on e bay
Jack,

That's good! Deep and nice! Good 'un! OBTW; LOL

OBTW again, I just love the name Jack. I did a thing about using the name Jack. You can read it at:

http://timmycanrant.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-discovered-jack.html

And please keep in mind that it is humor. I know you will get it. LOL

At this time, I think it should be mentioned that when I use the three-letter acronym, "LOL" - it means humor. "LOL" is a three-letter acronym for, "Laughing Out Loud", among others. "LOL" usually endears people to whomever is using it, as it is a common-denominator. I have learned this. LOL

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote:
>
> Evidently my guarding angel is protecting me because I have yet to win any bid
> on e-bay.
>
> Jack
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61915 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/21/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday November 21, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61916 From: George Cohn Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
On 11/21/2010 12:40 PM, Stanley Sobieski wrote:

> I have made several purchases on E Bay in the last month have got good
> items in E to E- nad Vg for reasonable prices and I always look at
> shipping cost if you get an Item at a good price but pay high shipping
> prices than it's not a good deal

Shipping costs are very important. I often see certain sellers that
charge a flat $16.00 or more to ship a single car.

I do a lot of shipping for another enterprise and have a USPS account.
I get free priority mail boxes from USPS and a discount online over the
regular clerk counter shipping costs. They even pick them up for me
free with the regular mail delivery.

Their most expensive flat rate box ships for $14.50 and the smallest
flat rate box ships for $4.95.

Free boxes and free pickup, what more can you ask for? I use crumpled
newspaper for packing material so essentially my only cost is my time
and the newspaper subscription.

Yes, some sellers are abusing the shipping rates to circumvent eBay
fees. Always check the shipping first, especially on a low priced
common items or you may find yourself paying more than it's worth in
shipping fees alone.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 61917 From: zemouse2001 Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
You are right - the wiring is just about as simple as you indicated. Don't know I can explain this adequately without a wiring diagram but here goes.

You need:
A 2K ohm, 1/4W resistor (value only sort of critical)
A LED
A diode (rectifier or just a low power silicon diode)

The existing bulb uses two connections - let's say those connections are 'wire A' and 'wire B'. Starting with 'wire A' you connect one end of a resistor (2K ohm, 1/4W). Connect the other end of the resistor to both the LED and the diode - here you have to make sure the LED (which is a diode itself) and the diode are connected opposite to each other. Connect the other end of the LED and diode together and connect that combination to 'wire B'. All done.

If this is unclear, just send me an email and I'll try to answer your questions.

Bob Groh
Group: S-Trains Message: 61918 From: Scott Freeman Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: K-line car help
Do you know what year that was?

--- On Sun, 11/21/10, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:


From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line car help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:05 PM


 



Dear Scott,
I think I know. Maury Kline was sick of paying the big bucks to go
to the Toy Fair in New York City every winter. The first year he held
his own show about 25 mile away from mid-town NYC. We were invited to
display the first year he held the show. He did quite well at the
show and I think he either gave or sold these cars at the show.
Don

On Nov 21, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Scott Freeman wrote:

> I recently found a s-gauge K-line boxcar. I have never seen this car
> before. It is not in their catalogs. The car has white sides with
> blue & yellow graphics. Yellow roof , ends & doors. It says Februay
> Fair Days & The All K-Line Train Show on the sides. I got no box
> with it. Does anyone know about this car? When was it made? Were
> they sold or given away? If so where? Any ideas? Is it rare?
> Thanks Scott
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61919 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
Shipping charges.

I think you have to take in account, the shipping charges in the total amount paid for a item.

What is the total end cost in the end.

Mike
From: Stanley Sobieski
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buying on eBay


Hi George

I have made several purchases on E Bay in the last month have got good items in E to E- nad Vg for reasonable prices and I always look at shipping cost if you get an Item at a good price but pay high shipping prices than it's not a good deal

thanks Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buying on eBay

I find that you can get a lot of nice runners for $10 or less (plus
shipping) on eBay.

You just have to read the auctions and avoid those who think they are
sitting on a pot of gold.

Over the last month, I have acquired five very nice boxcars for less
than $50.

There are of course idiots and scammers and those who think they have a
gold mine but if you shop carefully, you can add a lot of rolling stock
at a reasonable price.

George Cohn

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 61920 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Tim,

You are welcome, as it is easy for anyone to do.

Glad you are sharing your experiences with us in train layout building.

I saw you got a dis-like, that is too bad.

And yes, probably you know who.

keep up the good work.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:58 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay


Mike;

Thank you!

You were my inspiration for taking my endeavor online! Since technology always pushes forward and makes us want; I did a blog. The next "want" will probably be Twitter. Who will that be?

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Thanks for letting me, I was not sure.
>
> Not a problem.
>
> You are doing a good job in keeping us up to date on your layout.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Timboy
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay
>
>
> Mike,
>
> A lot of what I wrote was satirical humor. LOL
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > I have read some of the comments, negative about eBay, and I have no clue what the heck you are talking about with the things you all write about eBay.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 61921 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
You can buy E-10 LEDs on eBay from an outfit in Hong Kong. I use the 12v
ones with my accessory AC power and they work fine. There are some rated
at 24v. Use them if you want a little safety net. They screw right in to
the existing sockets. No other parts are required.

If the plastic dome sticks up a little too far, it can be filed down
with no adverse affects.

Good Luck,
Bill

PS E-10 refers to Edison size 10 screw in sockets.

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of AJ Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:51 PM
To: s-trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring LEDs


Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American Flyer
crossing gate with an LED.

Does anyone know of/have any wiring diagrams or suggestions for this?
I'm
not an electronics wizard, but I'm guessing I'll need some combination
of a
rectifier, resistor, and LED. It will be powered by 18V AC.

Any suggestiongs/help would be much appreciated!

Thanks, AJ!
Group: S-Trains Message: 61922 From: Phil Edgley Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Unstoppable
I saw the movie and it's the best "train movie" I've seen in a very long time.
But actually the train in the film was indeed largely computer generated
particularly the sequences where the train engine looks ready to leave the track
a few times. This is a huge advance in realistically showing trains in movies
because usually they filmed model trains and landscapes to be intercut with
full-size trains and you could easily see which was which. A tip of the cap to
the special effects guys who make it work so beautifully.


________________________________
From: David Highfield <davidhighmd@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 6:14:00 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Unstoppable


I saw the movie yesterday near Gettysburg, PA. The theater has large
screens, great sound, and super seating. There were 7 people in the
theater - more like a private showing!

The action is pretty continuous with little or no CG that I could see.
When the DVD comes out I will be able to slow down and pause the train
action to get a better grasp of all the movement and camera shaking.

One good thing - the touching family stories never intruded on the
train action. Actually the family stories could have been easily
omitted!

Unstoppable was well worth the $6.50 I paid to see it on the big
screen. Now...let's see if I can duplicate some of the Unstoppable
action on my layout.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61923 From: tbennerohio Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
David,

Do you know if anyone has come up with a way to add a slider shoe to an older Alco chassis?

Thanks,

Tim Benner


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the original 360 bushings were keyed. Later ACG didn't put in bushings.
> Wear on the bushings usually indicates a high milage engine, and is caused
> by lack of lubrication AND electrical load. The 360s did not have slider
> s to add hoes, and pick up all their power through the wheels. The electrical
> connection to the propulsion system is through the axles to the truck
> chassis--which means there is a constant arcing going on in the bearing
> area. You might not (probably not) see it, but it is there. This enlarges
> the bearing hole (wear). If you don't think I'm right, check out a later
> motor chassis with the pul-more tire on one axle set. You will often find
> that axle set not worn, but the metal one, providing power, worn. The slider
> shoe was added to provide two contacts to the track when ACG added pull more
> wheels to the Alcos/GM engines.
> As to rebushing the later chassis, those without factory supplied bushings.
> This job is best done by someone who is familiar with the relationship
> between the armature gears and the axle gears. You can't just trust a drill
> to center on the existing hole--in fact, you DON'T want to center on the
> existing hole, as it is worn to one side. the new bushings also need to be
> parallel with the bottom of the truck chassis so the locomotive will ride
> properly. You will find that the sides of the truck chassis are not
> parallel, as there is a slight taper so the casting will come out of the
> mold.
> After pressing in the new bushings, they have to be reamed to the two axle
> sizes (the axles are stepped, on side is smaller than the other on ACG
> locos. This allows the splines for the axle drive gear to pass through the
> bearing hole on one side.
> Yeah, nothing is quite as simple as it seems. Those ACG engineers were
> pretty clever!
> S'
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61924 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Mike,

LOL It doesn't matter, as a "dislike" is just as good as a "like". Obviously, there is a lot of foot traffic at my web site. It's the counter that I look at, as that shows the interest in what I am doing. LOL IOW's, a "dislike" is just a different kind of "like". LOL

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> You are welcome, as it is easy for anyone to do.
>
> Glad you are sharing your experiences with us in train layout building.
>
> I saw you got a dis-like, that is too bad.
>
> And yes, probably you know who.
>
> keep up the good work.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Timboy
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:58 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay
>
>
> Mike;
>
> Thank you!
>
> You were my inspiration for taking my endeavor online! Since technology always pushes forward and makes us want; I did a blog. The next "want" will probably be Twitter. Who will that be?
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > Thanks for letting me, I was not sure.
> >
> > Not a problem.
> >
> > You are doing a good job in keeping us up to date on your layout.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > From: Timboy
> > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:55 AM
> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > A lot of what I wrote was satirical humor. LOL
> >
> > Regards,
> > Timboy
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have read some of the comments, negative about eBay, and I have no clue what the heck you are talking about with the things you all write about eBay.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61925 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
When thinking shipping cost compare with cost of gas, admission price of a train show. That is what the show shoppers seem to forget.

Tom






-----Original Message-----
From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buying on eBay




On 11/21/2010 12:40 PM, Stanley Sobieski wrote:

> I have made several purchases on E Bay in the last month have got good
> items in E to E- nad Vg for reasonable prices and I always look at
> shipping cost if you get an Item at a good price but pay high shipping
> prices than it's not a good deal

Shipping costs are very important. I often see certain sellers that
charge a flat $16.00 or more to ship a single car.

I do a lot of shipping for another enterprise and have a USPS account.
I get free priority mail boxes from USPS and a discount online over the
regular clerk counter shipping costs. They even pick them up for me
free with the regular mail delivery.

Their most expensive flat rate box ships for $14.50 and the smallest
flat rate box ships for $4.95.

Free boxes and free pickup, what more can you ask for? I use crumpled
newspaper for packing material so essentially my only cost is my time
and the newspaper subscription.

Yes, some sellers are abusing the shipping rates to circumvent eBay
fees. Always check the shipping first, especially on a low priced
common items or you may find yourself paying more than it's worth in
shipping fees alone.

George Cohn






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61926 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: buying on eBay
A lot of sellers charge a higher shipping rate to avoid E-Bay Final value
fees. Mike


In a message dated 11/21/2010 3:43:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@... writes:




On 11/21/2010 12:40 PM, Stanley Sobieski wrote:

> I have made several purchases on E Bay in the last month have got good
> items in E to E- nad Vg for reasonable prices and I always look at
> shipping cost if you get an Item at a good price but pay high shipping
> prices than it's not a good deal

Shipping costs are very important. I often see certain sellers that
charge a flat $16.00 or more to ship a single car.

I do a lot of shipping for another enterprise and have a USPS account.
I get free priority mail boxes from USPS and a discount online over the
regular clerk counter shipping costs. They even pick them up for me
free with the regular mail delivery.

Their most expensive flat rate box ships for $14.50 and the smallest
flat rate box ships for $4.95.

Free boxes and free pickup, what more can you ask for? I use crumpled
newspaper for packing material so essentially my only cost is my time
and the newspaper subscription.

Yes, some sellers are abusing the shipping rates to circumvent eBay
fees. Always check the shipping first, especially on a low priced
common items or you may find yourself paying more than it's worth in
shipping fees alone.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61927 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: LEDS
_Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs)_
(http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61928 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: eBay Shipping
Hi All,

There is a store front just down the street from my office that sells pet supplies only on eBay. They will list the identical cat condo for instance for anywhere from $14 - $79 for shipping. The high shipping cost auctions usually have a starting bid around $10 while the low shipping has a starting bid around $75. So it's clear they want a minimum of $89 total for their cat condo + shipping. A similar cat condo at PetSmart runs over $200 so it's an excellent price at $89. It's funny to see how many people fight for the low price auction and usually end up around $20 or so. The high price option usually goes for the minimum bid. So the guy with the high bid gets the better deal overall deal - fascinating. I haven't looked at the auctions with mid-range starting bids and mid-range shipping, but I bet they go near the minimum total also. I notice they do this with their other higher priced items also.

Now why did I think about cat condos while reading AF posts? Because Sherlock Catt is sleeping in his condo right next to my computer desk and his snoring is bothering me!!!!! I have tried to make a video of his snoring but he wakes up to easily.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 61929 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
If you are powering it with AC, no rectifier is needed. Just put a 1,200
ohm resistor on one leg of the LED

Steve
SnS Trains.


In a message dated 11/21/2010 1:22:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
ajjohnson.pdx@... writes:




Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American Flyer
crossing gate with an LED.

Does anyone know of/have any wiring diagrams or suggestions for this? I'm
not an electronics wizard, but I'm guessing I'll need some combination of a
rectifier, resistor, and LED. It will be powered by 18V AC.

Any suggestiongs/help would be much appreciated!

Thanks, AJ!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61930 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
This car was written up in the NASG Dispatch when I wrote Part I of the
"History of the NASG AF Commemorative Cars"

As Rich said, it was a CNYSGA project under Walt Danylak.

It was done using left-over boxcar shells from the 1981 orange NASG
Convention car (which WAS a Lionel-AF produced car).

One of many different "re-paints" of that car done by Walt for their
club.)



<<<I am sure several will answer this question, it was a reworked car
that was a project of the Central NY S gaugers, Walt Danalak did a great
deal of the work on the project and it did not come from AF or Lionel as
a car, just came from Lionel or was a special run of shells...grey
plastic.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61931 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: "Unstoppable" - the movie
I went to see the movie this afternoon ....... I can't say when I've
seen a movie (train related or not) lately that kept me on the edge of my seat like this one did!
Wow! Great sound, camera action, crashes, ..... almost an empty theater,
course, it was showing in two. I will be buying this movie for sure.
I give it two thumbs up!

Rick



On Nov 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Phil Edgley wrote:

>
>
> I saw the movie and it's the best "train movie" I've seen in a very long time.
> But actually the train in the film was indeed largely computer generated
> particularly the sequences where the train engine looks ready to leave the track
> a few times. This is a huge advance in realistically showing trains in movies
> because usually they filmed model trains and landscapes to be intercut with
> full-size trains and you could easily see which was which. A tip of the cap to
> the special effects guys who make it work so beautifully.
>
> ________________________________
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61932 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/21/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Take a look at DALLEE # 378, Adjustable Regulated Power Supply Module,
_WWW.DALLEE.COM_ (http://www.DALLEE.COM) Good starting point to control
voltage reliably. Also look at LEDs, resistors, etc. in DALLEE site. Site
written for regular folks., NO need to be an EE.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/21/2010 3:22:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ajjohnson.pdx@... writes:

Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American Flyer
crossing gate with an LED.

Does anyone know of/have any wiring diagrams or suggestions for this? I'm
not an electronics wizard, but I'm guessing I'll need some combination of a
rectifier, resistor, and LED. It will be powered by 18V AC.

Any suggestiongs/help would be much appreciated!

Thanks, AJ!


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------------------------------------

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61933 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: I Second The Motion
Good morning Jack.  Thank you for the nice compliment in your last e-mail.  It
is greatly appreciated.  Also, I'm offering free shipping on any AF purchase for
the Holidays.  Hope you are doing well.  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Bob




________________________________
From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...>
To: s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 11:07:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] I Second The Motion

 
I was just catching up on my past e-mails and noticed the blurb by Robert
Hendrickson's praise of Bob Iannacone.

I must second his praise of Bob. Every dealing that I have had with him has
always ended up to be a VERY pleasant experience. He is a outstanding . and
great guy.. I could go on and on, but you guys get the idea.

Sincerely,
Jack Nowosielski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61934 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Steve,



With all due respect, a separate rectifier in series with the LED is recommended when operating a LED on AC. The peak inverse voltage (PIV) of a Light Emitting Diode is only about 5 volts. If one does not use a separate rectifier in series with the LED, the semiconductor junction will break down and conduct whenever the reverse voltage across it exceeds the PIV. With an 18 VAC supply voltage, this will be every half cycle. While the LED may appear to be operating normally, reverse conduction is not good for it and its life may be drastically shortened.



Also, the value of the resistor to be used should actually be calculated, as it will depend upon the type of LED, the nominal rated operating current and the supply voltage. With 18 volts and a standard-brightness red light emitting diode, a 1200 ohm series resistor will allow about 13 mA of current through the LED. This may or may not be correct for AJ’s needs as we do not know what kind of LED he is using. (While a LED may appear to operate fine at more than its rated current, its life will be shortened.)



Jerry Feldman





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:29 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring LEDs





If you are powering it with AC, no rectifier is needed. Just put a 1,200
ohm resistor on one leg of the LED

Steve
SnS Trains.


In a message dated 11/21/2010 1:22:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
ajjohnson.pdx@... <mailto:ajjohnson.pdx%40gmail.com> writes:

Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American Flyer
crossing gate with an LED.

Does anyone know of/have any wiring diagrams or suggestions for this? I'm
not an electronics wizard, but I'm guessing I'll need some combination of a
rectifier, resistor, and LED. It will be powered by 18V AC.

Any suggestiongs/help would be much appreciated!

Thanks, AJ!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61935 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: AF (by Lionel) X1989 Tool Car
Thanks to Doug and Gale for providing information about this car. I wonder how many of them were made? Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" milepost407@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have information on this item? It is a grey AF box car with two windows on each side. Under one window is says "Tool Car". Under the other window it says "AFMW" and under that "X1989". Next to the sliding door it says "Safety First". It came in the white box with red and blue markings. End flap has a sticker that reads X1989 Tool Car. Was this a special car made for a certain occasion or organization? Any infomation anyone might have would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Rich
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61936 From: David Dewey Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Tim,
A slider shoe can be added by changing out the sideframes, however, this puts a KC on your loco. I suppose one could get just the sideframe casting with a slider shoe on it and put it on the earlier sideframe frame (ooh boy, there's a sentence!). I think the motor chassis will clear it--but I don't have one handy to look at!
Also be aware that the very early 360/361 locos have "scale" wheels--very shallow flanges, and will derail if your track work is not nearly perfect.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61937 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
OK, fine. Tell that to the many that have been running since I put the
first one in a loco in 1999. If you feel the need for a rectifier then have at
it. You have my blessing.
Steve


In a message dated 11/22/2010 8:13:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
gfeldman2904@... writes:




Steve,

With all due respect, a separate rectifier in series with the LED is
recommended when operating a LED on AC. The peak inverse voltage (PIV) of a
Light Emitting Diode is only about 5 volts. If one does not use a separate
rectifier in series with the LED, the semiconductor junction will break down
and conduct whenever the reverse voltage across it exceeds the PIV. With an
18 VAC supply voltage, this will be every half cycle. While the LED may
appear to be operating normally, reverse conduction is not good for it and its
life may be drastically shortened.

Also, the value of the resistor to be used should actually be calculated,
as it will depend upon the type of LED, the nominal rated operating current
and the supply voltage. With 18 volts and a standard-brightness red light
emitting diode, a 1200 ohm series resistor will allow about 13 mA of
current through the LED. This may or may not be correct for AJ’s needs as we do
not know what kind of LED he is using. (While a LED may appear to operate
fine at more than its rated current, its life will be shortened.)

Jerry Feldman

From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf
Of _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:29 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring LEDs

If you are powering it with AC, no rectifier is needed. Just put a 1,200
ohm resistor on one leg of the LED

Steve
SnS Trains.

In a message dated 11/21/2010 1:22:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_ajjohnson.pdx@..._ (mailto:ajjohnson.pdx@...)
<mailto:ajjohnson.pdx%40gmail.com> writes:

Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American Flyer
crossing gate with an LED.

Does anyone know of/have any wiring diagrams or suggestions for this? I'm
not an electronics wizard, but I'm guessing I'll need some combination of a
rectifier, resistor, and LED. It will be powered by 18V AC.

Any suggestiongs/help would be much appreciated!

Thanks, AJ!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61938 From: David Engle Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: [RI_models] RI 4-6-2
I don't know what else I can offer, I never tried anything like this. He needs to grind off any unwanted bulges, etc. from the metal shell, it is a zamak of some breed, then needs to find the right replacement parts from, say Precision Scale, American Models, etc. A-M and S-Helper do have similar engines in plastics and would be a better base to start with, but finding replacements is still the problem. DJE
----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Weibler
To: David Engle
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: Fw: [RI_models] RI 4-6-2


Hello Dave -
Maybe you've got some ideas you could share with Frank. PAW
----- Original Message -----
From: frank emiro
To: RI_models@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RI_models] RI 4-6-2



Thx for this info. I want to letter an American Flyer 4-6-2 in RI. The # 282's and 21085's are the AF types I want to re due on RI.


Frank R. EMIRO


--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Philip Weibler <pawnbaw@...> wrote:


From: Philip Weibler <pawnbaw@...>
Subject: Re: [RI_models] RI 4-6-2
To: RI_models@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 1:11 PM



Hello Frank -
Perhaps someone replied off-list. If not......
Your best reference for Rock Island Steam Power is the book with that name by Wes Krambeck. You should be able to get it from the RITS Museum/Store at Savanna, IL. at a fair price.
All of the Pacific type (4-6-2) locomotives on the RI came from ALCo. The first group - 801 to 830 - came from the Brooks works in 1903. These were small locomotives with 69" drivers and an inboard-bearing trailer, similar to the L&N 4-6-2 that is at the Kentucky Railway Museum.
The next two groups - 831 to 850 and 851 to 861 - had the same 69" drivers but were heavier. They date from 1905-'06.
In 1909 the RI received the 862 - 894 and in 1910 the 895 - 944. These Pacifics had bigger boilers and 74"drivers.
The last group came in 1913, numbered 950 - 979. Again, they were heavier and more powerful than their predecessors.
That same year the Rock Island took delivery of two 4-8-2s, numbered 998 and 999 (later 4000-4001). The 4-8-2 type became the standard high speed passenger locomotive on the RI with sixty two in service, and the 4-6-2s were relegated to secondary runs.
(A final Pacific was built for the RI in 1924. It was an experimental three-cylinder locomotive from ALCo that was scrapped in 1939).
Pacifics in the series from 862 thru 944 were used in later years on commuter runs in Chicago and some were still in service in early 1953. Three are extant: 886 (well maybe 887) in Peoria, 938 at the Illinois Railway Museum, and the 905 at Duncan, Oklahoma. PAW


----- Original Message -----
From: Frank
To: RI_models@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: [RI_models] RI 4-6-2



Did the RI have any Pacifics by alco?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61939 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
I'll second that. I use LEDs as pilot lights for transformers just to
remind me they are on. Some of them have been working for over 20 years
on AC. I like those E-10 LED bulbs in my Flyer switch controls because
they don't heat up and melt the plastic. I'll make some notes and pay
attention to how long they last just in case one burns out before I do.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring LEDs


OK, fine. Tell that to the many that have been running since I put the
first one in a loco in 1999. If you feel the need for a rectifier then
have at
it. You have my blessing.
Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 61940 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
Steve,



No need to get huffy. A LED will light up just fine on AC without a separate diode (so long as there is an appropriate series resistor), just as your locomotive will run just fine without a fuse or circuit breaker in the circuit. Will it operate? – Yes. Is it good design or practice? – Perhaps not.



Jerry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:06 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring LEDs





OK, fine. Tell that to the many that have been running since I put the
first one in a loco in 1999. If you feel the need for a rectifier then have at
it. You have my blessing.
Steve


In a message dated 11/22/2010 8:13:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
gfeldman2904@... <mailto:gfeldman2904%40pacbell.net> writes:

Steve,

With all due respect, a separate rectifier in series with the LED is
recommended when operating a LED on AC. The peak inverse voltage (PIV) of a
Light Emitting Diode is only about 5 volts. If one does not use a separate
rectifier in series with the LED, the semiconductor junction will break down
and conduct whenever the reverse voltage across it exceeds the PIV. With an
18 VAC supply voltage, this will be every half cycle. While the LED may
appear to be operating normally, reverse conduction is not good for it and its
life may be drastically shortened.

Also, the value of the resistor to be used should actually be calculated,
as it will depend upon the type of LED, the nominal rated operating current
and the supply voltage. With 18 volts and a standard-brightness red light
emitting diode, a 1200 ohm series resistor will allow about 13 mA of
current through the LED. This may or may not be correct for AJ’s needs as we do
not know what kind of LED he is using. (While a LED may appear to operate
fine at more than its rated current, its life will be shortened.)

Jerry Feldman

From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> _ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> )
[mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> _ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) ] On Behalf
Of _boss31@... <mailto:_boss31%40aol.com> _ (mailto:boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> )
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:29 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> _ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> )
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring LEDs

If you are powering it with AC, no rectifier is needed. Just put a 1,200
ohm resistor on one leg of the LED

Steve
SnS Trains.

In a message dated 11/21/2010 1:22:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
_ajjohnson.pdx@... <mailto:_ajjohnson.pdx%40gmail.com> _ (mailto:ajjohnson.pdx@... <mailto:ajjohnson.pdx%40gmail.com> )
<mailto:ajjohnson.pdx%40gmail.com> writes:

Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American Flyer
crossing gate with an LED.

Does anyone know of/have any wiring diagrams or suggestions for this? I'm
not an electronics wizard, but I'm guessing I'll need some combination of a
rectifier, resistor, and LED. It will be powered by 18V AC.

Any suggestiongs/help would be much appreciated!

Thanks, AJ!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61941 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Urgent need : SHS flex track 3 pieces
Sent from my iPhone
Group: S-Trains Message: 61942 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

Well, I started yet another section of my American Flyer RR this morning. I'm calling this section, "Twin Lakes East". It features an Erector Bridge that I built in the back and three deck bridges in front.

Don't be shy about following along and leaving comments or judgments if you want. It's all good. Say what you want about me, but I put it all out there. LOL

To follow, visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61943 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
David,

Good to know! Thanks! I had forgotten about the "scale" wheels. Thanks for the reminder.

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> A slider shoe can be added by changing out the sideframes, however, this puts a KC on your loco. I suppose one could get just the sideframe casting with a slider shoe on it and put it on the earlier sideframe frame (ooh boy, there's a sentence!). I think the motor chassis will clear it--but I don't have one handy to look at!
> Also be aware that the very early 360/361 locos have "scale" wheels--very shallow flanges, and will derail if your track work is not nearly perfect.
> S'
> David D.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61944 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Urgent need : SHS flex track 3 pieces
Container should arrive next week with more flex track.
Don

On Nov 22, 2010, at 2:14 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61945 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
<< David,

Good to know! Thanks! I had forgotten about the "scale" wheels. Thanks for
the reminder.

Regards,
Timboy >>


Same with the #370 GP-7, but I haven't had any issues.


Brady Burdge


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61946 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Snow plow
All

Has anyone ever offered a snow plow for S?

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums?a=tpc&f=46660482&m=9232953996&r=9232953996#9232953996

(scroll down about half way..)


Brady Burdge


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61947 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Wiring LEDs
>
> << Hi - I am wanting to replace the incandescent bulb on an American
> Flyer
> crossing gate with an LED. >>
>

Town & Country Hobbies has LED bulbs with both screw and bayonet bases

http://www.towncountryhobbies.com/ (click on LED at the bottom of the
screen)

I put the white ones in a Williams O gauge GG-1

T&C also sells news and snack stands that appear to be inspired by the ACG
Flyer offerings



Brady Burdge


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61948 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out rebuilt boxcars...
Group: S-Trains Message: 61949 From: David Engle Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: S Scale in NMRA Magazine
The new December issue is out, has a 6-page article on a grocery warehouse, nice job. DJE

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61950 From: Lee Johnson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS sold out rebuilt boxcars...
Just a note to let those interested know that all four numbers of the
Southern Pacific rebuilt box car (#02117, #02118, #02119, and #02120)
by S Helper Service are still available from the Bay Area S Scalers.
This was the "S West 5" convention car. The cars are priced at $53.00
per car, and shipping is $8.00 for the first car and $3.00 for each
additional car. An order form can be obtained by emailing me at
<leemax@...>. Although S Helper Service is out of stock of
these cars, we do have all four numbers in available.

Lee Johnson
Bay Area S Scalers



On Nov 22, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Don Thompson wrote:

> Next up, we have our sold out 40' steel rebuilt boxcars. Again,
> first come, first serve, sorry no dealer sales...
> Don
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Archived_product_pages/
> BoxcarsSteelRebuilt_ar.html
>
> PS Other sold out items...
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Locos/EMDF3/F-Units.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/
> BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Locos/SW9/sw9_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Hoppers/2BayPS2/2bayps2_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Locos/SW1/sw1_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/
> woodenstockcars_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Cabooses/EVC/evc_in_stock.html
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html/
> Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61951 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Instead of shoes i use solder remover weaved flex copper instead of shoes works great





-----Original Message-----
From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
To: s-trains list <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:59 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Alco 360 bushings & others




Tim,
A slider shoe can be added by changing out the sideframes, however, this puts a KC on your loco. I suppose one could get just the sideframe casting with a slider shoe on it and put it on the earlier sideframe frame (ooh boy, there's a sentence!). I think the motor chassis will clear it--but I don't have one handy to look at!
Also be aware that the very early 360/361 locos have "scale" wheels--very shallow flanges, and will derail if your track work is not nearly perfect.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61952 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
Hi,

That's hard for me to visualize. Can you put a pic in a folder in the "Photos" section or somewhere?

Thanks,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tomminil@... wrote:
>
> Instead of shoes i use solder remover weaved flex copper instead of shoes works great
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
> To: s-trains list <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:59 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Alco 360 bushings & others
>
>
>
>
> Tim,
> A slider shoe can be added by changing out the sideframes, however, this puts a KC on your loco. I suppose one could get just the sideframe casting with a slider shoe on it and put it on the earlier sideframe frame (ooh boy, there's a sentence!). I think the motor chassis will clear it--but I don't have one handy to look at!
> Also be aware that the very early 360/361 locos have "scale" wheels--very shallow flanges, and will derail if your track work is not nearly perfect.
> S'
> David D.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61953 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
Has anyone ever offered a snow plow for S?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yes.

tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 61954 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/22/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out rebuilt boxcars...
On Nov 22, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Bill Clark wrote:

> Don, you sent the wrong link! it's:
>
> http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html
>
> Bill.
>>
>>
>>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61955 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: MOVIE: UNSTOPPABLE
Thanks Stumpy!





________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 5:08:45 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:MOVIE: UNSTOPPABLE


I have not seen the movie yet(the lines at the theaters here are LONG,) but
watched portions of it being filmed right here in Eastern Ohio on the Wheeling &
Lake Erie shortline. Other portions were done in upstate New York, Northern
West Virginia, and Western Pennsylvania. And OF COURSE Hollywood.
Even from the preveiws, it is obvious there are a LOT of computer generated
effects. However according an assiatnt director I talked to during filming,
there are at least two scenes where they built full scale plywood mock ups of
the trains to destroy.
The curved arched stone bridge in the film is right in downtown Bellaire,Ohio
seven miles from my home, and is the old Baltimore & Ohio "Bellaire Viaduct"
still in use today by the Wheeling & Lake Erie. The scenes where the police
cars, fire trucks, and ambulances are running down a street beside the speeding
train were shot right here in Martins Ferry, and if you look real close, you
might see me as a bystander.
Denzel Washington was flown into the area for one day, and was the only actor
here. 99% of what was done here is known as "Second Unit" filming, mostly
action sequences, stunt work, and backgrounds. Nearly all of the actors worked
before "green screens" in Hollywood, or at another "location" shoot.
I might add that movie making is actually hours of boring set up, a few minutes
of action, then hours of bordom to make the next set up. The UNSTOPPABLE
company was here for weeks to get what will probably be a few minutes of what
shows on the screen.
This area also recently hosted the crew of a film with the working title of
"Super Eight," a sci-fi story that takes place in the seventies.
Stumpy Stone in sleepy little Martins Ferry, Ohio.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61956 From: Monte Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Putt Engine wanted
Does anyone have a Putt Trains 4 Wheel Diesel they would like to sell. If so contact me at monteheppe@... with price. Thanks
Monte
Group: S-Trains Message: 61957 From: rpuls3 Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: wiring leds
Thanks Brady for the reference to the website on the LEDS available as bulb replacements. So much good info with this group.
Ray
Group: S-Trains Message: 61958 From: Timboy Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

Today's work went well and I have to stop now to let things dry and settle. Besides, it's nap time. LOL

To follow along with my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61959 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
<< Yes.
>
> tom Hawley >>
>
>

Any idea who it was?

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61960 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
Any idea who it was?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I think it was Ambroid who make a kit for a car with a wedge-shaped plow in
front, to be pushed by a locomotive. A famous S gauger whom we all know &
love often speaks of having a large quantity of them.

Tom Hodgson dba Instrument Design (& one other name) once made & sold some
scale model representations of rotary plows, RTR.

What are you going to cover your tracks with to look like show and deep
enough to require a special plow?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61961 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: little more on snow plows
This just in from another off-line friend of ours

quote
Gosh I dont remember the date or who made it.. it was in S Gaugian perhaps back in the 1990's I know too that the B&M railroad here in NEW Engaland and the Maine Central ran snow plows.. hope that helps

happy thanksgiving
endqutoe
tom Hawley

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61962 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
In a message dated 11/23/2010 2:55:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
t.hawley@... writes:

----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
Any idea who it was?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I think it was Ambroid who make a kit for a car with a wedge-shaped plow
in
front, to be pushed by a locomotive. A famous S gauger whom we all know &

love often speaks of having a large quantity of them.

Tom Hodgson dba Instrument Design (& one other name) once made & sold some

scale model representations of rotary plows, RTR.

What are you going to cover your tracks with to look like show and deep
enough to require a special plow?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing.




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Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 61963 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
I've seen several S-scale snow plows on that "nasty" eBay site. Some were Ambrose - others looked scratch built. Some were kits and some were assembled. Seems like one will pop up every few weeks or so.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> All
>
> Has anyone ever offered a snow plow for S?
>
> http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums?a=tpc&f=46660482&m=9232953996&r=9232953996#9232953996
>
> (scroll down about half way..)
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 61964 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
The snow plow here in Oregon, just sits in the CORP yard till needed. So it
could be a non-working plow just for looks. Mike


In a message dated 11/23/2010 2:58:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
WJJIM@... writes:






In a message dated 11/23/2010 2:55:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_t.hawley@..._ (mailto:t.hawley@...) writes:

----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
Any idea who it was?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I think it was Ambroid who make a kit for a car with a wedge-shaped plow
in
front, to be pushed by a locomotive. A famous S gauger whom we all know &

love often speaks of having a large quantity of them.

Tom Hodgson dba Instrument Design (& one other name) once made & sold some

scale model representations of rotary plows, RTR.

What are you going to cover your tracks with to look like show and deep
enough to require a special plow?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing.

------------------------------------

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61965 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/23/2010
Subject: Snow Plow on eBay
I took a quick check on eBay and found this Sn3 snow plow (note 9 available in this auction):

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sn3-WISEMAN-V-T-WEST-SIDE-LUMBER-SNOW-PLOW-KIT-/400096178040?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5d27972f78

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 61966 From: Timboy Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

This morning's work went pretty quickly. Now I have to de-glue my fingers! LOL

To follow along with my progress and to find out why my fingers are glued together, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61967 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
> << What are you going to cover your tracks with to look like show and
> deep
> enough to require a special plow? >>
>
>
Tom

Perhaps this will do it :-)

http://xmas-depot.com/Images/dept56/49981.jpg

Happy Thanksgiving

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61968 From: clayton deich Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Re: Snow plow
 I just came back from working in Ogden Utah. I was able to go to the Utah State Railroad Museum, and took some photos of a snow blower, and some other items. Would you like me to pass them off to you? The snow blower is the rotary plow type...
 Clayton D.
 

--- On Tue, 11/23/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:

From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Snow plow
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 12:02 PM
















 













In a message dated 11/23/2010 2:55:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

t.hawley@... writes:



----- Original Message -----

From: Brady Burdge

Any idea who it was?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I think it was Ambroid who make a kit for a car with a wedge-shaped plow

in

front, to be pushed by a locomotive. A famous S gauger whom we all know &



love often speaks of having a large quantity of them.



Tom Hodgson dba Instrument Design (& one other name) once made & sold some



scale model representations of rotary plows, RTR.



What are you going to cover your tracks with to look like show and deep

enough to require a special plow?



Tom Hawley -- Lansing.



------------------------------------



Enjoy thousands of great photos

at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61969 From: aztecfan Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: two American Graffiti diama's up loaded to kit bashing
Don't for get to look at Big Lots for the Christmas house. They will be gone next year.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61970 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/24/2010
Subject: Cardstock Signal Kit
I was looking at the Z-Stuff Color Position Light signals; Z-Stuff has
a great reputation but they're about $60 each. In the interim I
decided to make a couple of mock-ups..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/cpl/cpl2.JPG

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/cpl/cpl3.JPG


You can download the kit at

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/cardmodels.html


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61971 From: candsn3 Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Turner Model Works Thanksgiving Sale!
We are having a sale!!!

All Fixed Price Ebay items are 15% Off Except for Blackstone Models Items.

http://stores.ebay.com/TurnerModelWorks

We will also honor sale prices at 20% Off on our web site, but as we cannot get hold of our web master (Ron Pare of Canada, any info???) we will refund all overages on Monday the 29th. Again, this excludes Blackstone Models items, but does include Dr. Bens items!

http://www.turnermodelworks.com

Free Shipping is NOT an option on this sale, please do not select this or we will have to bill you for shipping.

We would of course prefer to sell items off our web site as Ebay does not need any more money ;-)

If you get a warning that the "certificate is out of date" do not worry. The site is secure and the certificate is current, just cannot get hold of my web master to fix it...

The Sale will last through Saturday at Noon Pacific Time.

If you have any questions email: TurnerModelWorks@... or Call: (404) 368-9964

Pat Turner
www.TurnerModelWorks.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 61972 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Holiday
We wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving as you celibrate the Holiday.

Bob Iannacone
Brentwood, TN

www.americanflyertrains4u.com




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61973 From: thorn14141 Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Skid Row Decals Series-Discount for Group
Hello S-Trains Group,

You might want to lock your doors. You're about to drive through the seedy part of the city. You know ... the section of town across the tracks where all the riff raff hangs out. The area where pawn shops, tattoo parlors, and gentlemen's clubs make up the landscape. After all, even the nicest of layouts can fall victim to hard times.

The Skid Row Series waterslide decals from T2 are made from pictures of real signs as they appear today, to add realistic detail to your layout. Professionally printed, the color and quality of these easy-to-use decals is exceptional.

For a limited time introductory offer I will be offering a 20% discount for members of of the S-Trains group when you buy all 6 sets from the Skid Row series. Please email me at Thorn142002@... for details.

You can check out all of my decal offerings by clicking the following links to my ebay store:

HO Skid Row Series
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=Ho+Skid+Row&_sacat=0&_odkw=&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313

HO Ghost Signs
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=Ho+Ghost&_sacat=0&_odkw=Ho+Skid+Row&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313

N Scale Ghost Signs
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=N+Ghost&_sacat=0&_odkw=Ho+Ghost&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313

O Scale Ghost Signs
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=O+Ghost&_sacat=0&_odkw=N+Ghost&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313

HO Scale Graffiti
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=HO+Graffiti&_sacat=0&_odkw=O+Ghost&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313

N Scale Graffiti
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=N+Graffiti&_sacat=0&_odkw=HO+Graffiti&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313

HO Circus Sideshow
http://shop.ebay.com/thorn14141/m.html?_nkw=Sideshow&_sacat=0&_odkw=N+Graffiti&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313


Please write or call with any questions and as always Happy Modeling!

Todd Thornberry
T2 Decals
Thorn142002@...
262-853-0566
Group: S-Trains Message: 61974 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: HO Layout must leave museum
http://www.gazette.net/stories/11242010/germnew194407_32545.php

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61975 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Thanksgiving
Happy Thanksgiving to all our friends on the list. Health and wealth to you
all.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise..........Go Broncos!


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61976 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Toy Train Memories - the book
Once again, it's that time of year I always push this fine book, and NOT just because
I'm in it! I think John Grams did a fabulous job (along with Classic Toy Trains) of putting this book
together. I have bought many, new and used, through Amazon to give as gifts, even to non-train
people ..... they love it!
Check it out: http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290716127&sr=8-1

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains Message: 61977 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/25/2010
Subject: Re: A Happy and Joyful Thanksgiving to all!
Among the many blessings for which I am thankful this year is my association with this group.  Many of you have helped me as I renewed my interest in the world's greatest hobby and built my layout and website over the past six years.  And heartwarming inspirational messages like Ed's are icing on the cake.

You are special people and I thank God for each of you and pray God's richest blessings on each of you.  Happy Thanksgiving!

Bob Graves


--- On Thu, 11/25/10, EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> wrote:

From: EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...>
Subject: A Happy and Joyful Thanksgiving to all!
To:
Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 10:12 AM






A Happy and Joyful Thanksgiving to all!



The Growing Corn
Upon a thousand hills the corn
Stands tall and rank and glossy green;
Its broad leaves stir at early morn,
And dewy diamonds drop between.

A myriad banners wave o'erhead,
And countless silken pennons fly;
The tasseled plumes bend low, 't is said,
And only silken ears know why.

Those bending plumes- those upturned ears
Methinks it is the old, old story!
Dame Nature still, with rapture hears
The song she heard in Eden's glory.

And so is wrought this miracle
Of life and growth unto perfection,
A mystery that none may tell,
Save that God gives to it direction.
Frederick J. Atwood .

We are grateful for God’s bounty!








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Group: S-Trains Message: 61978 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: Re: Montreal, Maine and Atlantic RR
Mike,
     We now have the herald for this RR at our Web Site. Follow this link to view:
 
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
 
     Any other outstanding ideas for heralds.
Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc
 
 


--- On Sun, 10/31/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Montreal, Maine and Atlantic RR
To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>
Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 2:49 PM


 



http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/156278.html

Bangor Daily News article about the state of Maine getting a grant to preserve 233 miles of rail line.

It is the Montreal, Maine and Atlantic RR, as I think this would be a neat box car to have on a layout.

I did get a Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo car from S Helper and that is neat.

I think the smaller rail lines cars are neat to have, conversation pieces.

Steve Conard, I know you are in Alaska for 2 weeks.but I thought I would send this to you.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61979 From: aztecfan Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: Cal-Stewart 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufKjBiGbNis

I need a source for Corinthian Columns about 4 inches tall. I could make a mold from a S or O scale bank building if you know of one I can look at.

Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 61980 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: 2011 NASG Convention..........Register Online now available
Gentlemen..



Now you can register online. Just up minutes ago. Tours, convention cars,
banquets, activities will all be added to this online shopping cart later as
our costs become known with greater precision.



The store is UP! Click on the "REGISTER" button, or other "X2011 Store"
links on the "Registration" page:



http://www.x2011west.org/registration.html



Register now and receive an early registration number which will give you an
earlier opportunity to register for other events. Visit our web site for S
scale details:



http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html





See you in "S"acto...Ed L.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 61981 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 11/26/2010
Subject: Missing Dispatch pages.
For NASG members:: I'm putting this on the list as I've received 3 or 4
emails of duplicate and missing pages in the Oct. Dispatch. So far from
Ohio and west, including my mailed copy. My preview copies were fine.

If you have such an issue let Alan Evans know so he can get you an extra
copy.

Alan, if you get overwhelmed - let me know and we'll have to go to the
printer for some additional issues. Hopefully, we've only got a dozen or
so, but I have my doubts. So far no phone calls.

Jeff Madden, Dispatch Editor


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61982 From: David Highfield Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: S Gauge windmill?
Does anyone produce and sell an S Gauge windmill?

Thanks,
Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 61983 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: S Gauge windmill?
<< Does anyone produce and sell an S Gauge windmill? >>

Plasticville has one, I don't know the dimensions

http://www.tandem-associates.com/plasticville/windmill.htm


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 61984 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: S Gauge windmill?
Google BTS as they might have one.

Plasticville windmill works, well, as you can paint it like I did.

Mike

From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:10 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge windmill?



<< Does anyone produce and sell an S Gauge windmill? >>

Plasticville has one, I don't know the dimensions

http://www.tandem-associates.com/plasticville/windmill.htm

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61985 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: S Gauge windmill?
Dave,

Lionel makes or made one, that I assume was for O-Gauge. It is Lionel #6-12889. The base is 5 5/16 x 5 5/16 and is 15 7/8 inches tall. Might be a little large for S-Gauge, but real windmills came in different sizes, so it wouldn't be any more out of scale than a lot of Flyer accessories.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, David Highfield <davidhighmd@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone produce and sell an S Gauge windmill?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61986 From: Larry Asp Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Telegraph Train Accessory
A little while back, at an S Gauge gathering, I heard the sound of a telegraph eminating from a train station on a layout. Being a Ham operator with an interest in morse code etc., I thought it would be nice to have a telegraph sound on my layout. However, I did not want to go the electronic / Chinese digital route. I decided to investigate using old North American made vintage real original telegraph sounders. Since I had a couple in a collection of morse code /telegraph items, I decided to put one to use on my layout., and enjoy 2 hobbies at once. This is an easy project. What you need is one of these old sounders, and a source of dc voltage - usually 3 volts or less, and a keying device of some sort. Finding the sounder is the hardest part. Made easy - so you know what to look for - search on ebay using "telegraph sounder" and you will see lots for sale with pictures etc. The main thing is to aquire one in working condition, so ask the seller before buying. Also - since these can be collectable in some cases, so spend a bit of time determining which ones are common, and inexpensive - (search completed sales on the e place for this) or look at ham radio flea markets etc. You should be able to pick one up for less than $30.00. For a source of DC voltage, an ho transformer will work. Use the variable dc track voltage from this transformer, and connect it to the sounder. Raise the voltage from zero, and when the sounder just clicks in, you should be at the right voltage setting to run the sounder. Put a keying device - such as a morse code key or even a push button in series with the sounder and transformer, and you have real telegraph sound. You can vary the voltage back and forth a bit - but just find the spot where the sounder clicks in. I put mine inside an AF Mystic station, which acts a bit like a resonator box. JH Bunnell sounders are still plentiful, and usually inexpensive. I use a morse code key with mine, it helps to keep my code speed up too. Be careful though - getting involved with telegraph and morse code stuff can lead to another addiction like - toy trains !
Group: S-Trains Message: 61987 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: S Gauge windmill?
The Plasticville windmill looks great for S. I know from experience that
the sizes vary due to location, use, etc. Have the Plasticville windmill
on several of our S layouts. Think you can see one on our farm.
Search the internet, paint to suit.


(http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html)


Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61988 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Windmill
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1381771386/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=641&count=20&dir=asc

PLasticville Windmill painted.

I probably would of taken the base out, which I can still do.

Plasticville Barn painted by Cheryl Bishop of SF, CA.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 61989 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: SHS Single Sheathed 40' wooden boxcars and panel side hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61990 From: Bl Lamb Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Whistle controller for 314AW
I read somewhere that it would be helpful to have a photograph of the inside of
a 314AW whistle control box. A previous owner had mine open. Thus, photographs
are possible. Would you like to have a picture or two? How do I send them to
you?

Thanks,

Lee





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Group: S-Trains Message: 61991 From: Bl Lamb Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Wiring whistle controller for 314AW
How is the oval-shaped controller connected to transformer and track?

Thanks,

Lee




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Group: S-Trains Message: 61992 From: Timboy Date: 11/27/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi everyone:

I have finished my Twin Lakes East section for now and am moving on. I am slowly getting the use of my hands back. LOL

To follow my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 61993 From: bllamb29 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: billboard wiring
Did you receive an answer to this question? Thanks. BLL

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM" <jmaclennan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I have an AF whistling billboard for which the wires have come unattached. Would anyone have a wiring diagram they would share? The diagrams I've seen are just for attaching the billboard to the transformer.
>
> Thanks.
> HAPPY LABOR DAY
> Jack Maclennan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 61994 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 61995 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
What sacrilege! Cannibalizing 4 defenseless classic AF steamers,

and producing a monstrosity that requires 250 inch radii curves!



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brady Burdge
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 12:14 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [S-Trains] Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive





This was posted on the S Gauge section of the OGR forum..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Really-Big-Big-Boy-American-Flyer-4-10-10-2-Locomotive_W
0QQitemZ300496243210QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparm
sZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D526247256264
5717206

Brady Burdge



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Group: S-Trains Message: 61996 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Please some Insight!
Our TTOS Sacramento Valley Division portable layout group are in the middle of assembling a new multi-gauge layout of Standard, O gauge, and S gauge. They are leaning towards using S Helper track with the roadbed vs. the traditional American Flyer track. I would like to see if I could get some experience's? That some of you might have had with the running of the Old American Flyer trains on it! The layout will not have any switch track on it...

Thank's, Jeff Silvera
S.V.D. T.T.O.S.
Group: S-Trains Message: 61997 From: michael prell Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim, That is excellent work! I'm particularly impressed with your use of Gilbert Erector for the steel bridge in the back. Totally creative all the way around! Tracks Ahead and thanks for sharing! Wow!
Mike Prell


 
Break out the Katana's, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sat, 11/27/10, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 5:20 PM


 



Hi everyone:

I have finished my Twin Lakes East section for now and am moving on. I am slowly getting the use of my hands back. LOL

To follow my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy











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Group: S-Trains Message: 61998 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Some people have sick minds!

Please note: message attached

From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: [S-Trains] Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:14:11 -0600


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Group: S-Trains Message: 61999 From: Ron Inscho Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Lionel trucks still junk !
The current production of Lionel S gauge frt. trucks is no better &
unchanged from previous years , I got just some of the latest cars & right
out of the box had 2 trucks with broken sideframes while the others are
showing signs of warping like it is a really bad batch of potmetal ?. The
dealer said He will try to make it right .As He has had other complaints
about this , As I have had this in the past with these trucks & still
waiting for Lionel to come up with a fix / better designed truck .
Hopefully this problem with trucks will get better if they get away from
China ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62000 From: michael prell Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Robert,Apparently, E-Bay's pulled the item. I can just imagine how you feel about this practice, but IMHO at least the engines you mentioned were sacrificed for something other than for parts & profit.
Mike

 
Break out the Katana's, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Robert Ahrens <rahrens54@...> wrote:


From: Robert Ahrens <rahrens54@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 12:38 PM


 



What sacrilege! Cannibalizing 4 defenseless classic AF steamers,

and producing a monstrosity that requires 250 inch radii curves!

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brady Burdge
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 12:14 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [S-Trains] Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive

This was posted on the S Gauge section of the OGR forum..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Really-Big-Big-Boy-American-Flyer-4-10-10-2-Locomotive_W
0QQitemZ300496243210QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparm
sZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D526247256264
5717206

Brady Burdge

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62001 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Could you please send/enclose some pictures of what the trucks look like? Warping and sideframes falling off sounds pretty extreme.  In over 20 years of buying and running Flyonel, I've never had so much as an axle come off. This is over 100 freight and passenger cars.Nothing. Everything has been run, has survived moving from CT to VT, and two moves in VT. Perhaps an occasional drop of oil at the bearing points solves the problem- John Marganski























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62002 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: AF Trains for the Holidays
Make your Holidays even more exciting by adding that AF piece you couldn't find
in good condition or at a reasonable price.  Visit my website at
www.americanflyertrains4u.com and order that engine, car, set or accessory and
you'll get free shipping until Christmas.  If you are looking for a particular
AF piece, let me know and I may have it in my inventory.  As an example I have a
479 and a 481 Silver Flash in good condition.  Both are priced at $125.  I have
other stock as well.  I have brand new Lionel/Flyer engines and cars that have
never been on the track.  They are beauties in the box.  Use my e-mail address
to get in touch with me.  We may even get a chance to negotiate.  Thank you, and
have a wonderful Holiday season.

Bob       




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62003 From: Timboy Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Thanks, Michael!

Tomorrow I'll start work on another section. I think it's interesting that when most people build a layout, they get it running first and then slowly work at getting scenery in place here and there until it's all done. If you follow my blog, you'll notice that while I do have the bench work and sub-roadbed put in, everything else is either finished or raw.

Regards,
Timboy


Michael prell wrote:
>
> Tim, That is excellent work! I'm particularly impressed with your use of Gilbert Erector for the steel bridge in the back. Totally creative all the way around! Tracks Ahead and thanks for sharing! Wow!
> Mike Prell
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62004 From: jaay_st Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: 293 smoke unit?
Well, here I am in a quandry.
I have an AF 293 engine with a smoke problem.
I got the new wick and started following the directions to replace it.
Here's the rub; the 293 smoke unit is nothing like anything I see on the net or in the instructions.
It has only one chamber, and there is no 'black insulator box', either.
So, do I just feed the wires through the holes in the cover plate and solder them. Then stuff the wick in the chamber and screw the cover plate down?
(The hole in the aft wall of the chamber is clear)
Is the black insulator box required?
I did receive two pieces that look like they may be a liner or maybe a two pc gasket set; but none of the holes line up with anything in the box.
Any advice would be appreciated; especially from someone with a 293.
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 62005 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
I just accessed it. It IS what it IS.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/28/2010 4:00:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlprell@... writes:

Robert,Apparently, E-Bay's pulled the item. I can just imagine how you
feel about this practice, but IMHO at least the engines you mentioned were
sacrificed for something other than for parts & profit.
Mike




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62006 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Your best bet at LIONEL is Mike Reagan, Sales under Butash is just that,
responsible for getting the crap out the door, NOT customer satisfaction.
The trucks ARE visibly inferior to any other "S" truck out there, LIONEL was
"supposed" to be going to the K-Line COPY of the SHS truck when they ran
out of the junk. Guess they haven't run out yet. Now that K-Line is owned by
someone else, THAT could be an issue too.

Jim "I've had the problem, they haven't fixed it" Lyle


In a message dated 11/28/2010 4:00:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
roninscho@... writes:

The current production of Lionel S gauge frt. trucks is no better &
unchanged from previous years , I got just some of the latest cars & right
out of the box had 2 trucks with broken sideframes while the others are
showing signs of warping like it is a really bad batch of potmetal ?. The
dealer said He will try to make it right .As He has had other complaints
about this , As I have had this in the past with these trucks & still
waiting for Lionel to come up with a fix / better designed truck .
Hopefully this problem with trucks will get better if they get away from
China ?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62007 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Please some Insight!
The S Helper "S-Trax' has performed flawlessly for years at NTTM, the only
issue being running trains on it 7 hrs a day, 7 days a week WILL wear it
out ( like ANYthing else ). Took yrs for that to happen. We had switches,
frogs removed "running rails" installed.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/28/2010 1:37:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
afjeff_56@... writes:

Our TTOS Sacramento Valley Division portable layout group are in the middle
of assembling a new multi-gauge layout of Standard, O gauge, and S gauge.
They are leaning towards using S Helper track with the roadbed vs. the
traditional American Flyer track. I would like to see if I could get some
experience's? That some of you might have had with the running of the Old
American Flyer trains on it! The layout will not have any switch track on it...

Thank's, Jeff Silvera
S.V.D. T.T.O.S.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62008 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/28/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday November 28, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62009 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: 293 smoke unit?
Hi Jay

All of the smoke units that I have rebuilt need to have the insulator separator you can make one out of card stack in a pinch or purchase the kit from any of the following

Doug Peck at portlines
Tom Seccia at triple SSS
Ron leventon hobby supply
Hobby Surplus ( Amatos in New Britain Ct)

All of the smoke units for the 283 293,300's and ect are all the same I think the earlier engines such as the 322 with smoke in tender are different set up good luck

Stan


----- Original Message -----
From: jaay_st
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 293 smoke unit?



Well, here I am in a quandry.
I have an AF 293 engine with a smoke problem.
I got the new wick and started following the directions to replace it.
Here's the rub; the 293 smoke unit is nothing like anything I see on the net or in the instructions.
It has only one chamber, and there is no 'black insulator box', either.
So, do I just feed the wires through the holes in the cover plate and solder them. Then stuff the wick in the chamber and screw the cover plate down?
(The hole in the aft wall of the chamber is clear)
Is the black insulator box required?
I did receive two pieces that look like they may be a liner or maybe a two pc gasket set; but none of the holes line up with anything in the box.
Any advice would be appreciated; especially from someone with a 293.
Jay





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62010 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Please some insight
I'm a firm believer in S-Helper track, having used it on portable layouts that travel to train shows. It is the best looking of the sectional track with "rust" colored rails and the rail height is the minimum that will clear old Flyer wheel flanges. It works well for both scale and Flyer wheel sets. The switches will handle just about any type of American Flyer or any other S gauge equipment without complaint due to the movable frog.
Upon returning to S gauge in 2003 after some years in other scales, I decided to try other tracks beside the old Flyer and Gargraves I had been using. I built a portable layout for train shows using S Helper sectional. After one season with that, I sold all my old Flyer and Gargraves track and have built two more portable layouts using S Helper track, one with sectional and one with flex track.
I've put a lot of miles on these three layouts, usually running six to eight hours a day for two days at shows. Being that they are small layouts (4x8' or less), that means the trains make many, many laps in those hours. The only thing ever required has been cleaning the track from time to time during operation.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62011 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Sideframes are held on by two "pins", each less than a 16th inch in
diameter, cast in zamak. NO strength whatsoever, they simply shear off, possibly
in assembly. My issue was with the "Walking Brakeman" car. Mike Butash
was helpful UNTIL he found out was no longer in warranty. ON MY OWN then,
it was purchased for an operating display layout, I wanted NO parts of it,
got outvoted. So now we have a seventy dollar piece of Flyonel crap, w/o
wheels. Stays in the box somewhere.
The biggest issue is that LIONEL simply DOES NOT CARE, once it is out the
door. POOR products are POOR products, UNLESS you have the BIG name to
capitalize on, THEN quality is secondary, IF at all a consideration.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/28/2010 5:06:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
druvnik@... writes:


Could you please send/enclose some pictures of what the trucks look like?
Warping and sideframes falling off sounds pretty extreme. In over 20 years
of buying and running Flyonel, I've never had so much as an axle come off.
This is over 100 freight and passenger cars.Nothing. Everything has been
run, has survived moving from CT to VT, and two moves in VT. Perhaps an
occasional drop of oil at the bearing points solves the problem- John Marganski























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62012 From: Ron Inscho Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: did u know
the chineese factory owners "stopped" making lionel trains last year .
The box and cars are still marked made in china at this point , They must
be using up parts from existing stock as there is no change in parts or
quality . Thanks Ron
Group: S-Trains Message: 62013 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: The 4-10-10-2
If I recall, the Virginian Railway had some 2-10-10-2 articulated locomotives to haul coal back before WWII. They were hand fired and smaller diameter drivers and power than the 4-8-8-4 Big Boy or the C&O 2-6-6-6 Allegheny types.
Personally, I have no problem with creating such reconstructions as long as they were built out of junk box locomotives. I do similar, although much less extreme, reconstructions myself and have so far put 19 enignes back on the rails.
I find this to be a far better use for old Flyer than cutting up complete running engines for parts. But we've had that discussion before.
Doctor Stumpenstein...Trainsyvania, Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 62014 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Please some Insight!
Jeff, Larry Moore from Weaverville, NC, member of Piedmont "S" Gaugers. We
recently updated our modular layout using S-Helper 155 flex track. We can
run modern Hi-Rail, vintage Flyer or scale on it with no problems. Great
looking track as well. Will be glad to answer any other questions. Thanks,
Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of afjeff_56
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 1:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Please some Insight!





Our TTOS Sacramento Valley Division portable layout group are in the middle
of assembling a new multi-gauge layout of Standard, O gauge, and S gauge.
They are leaning towards using S Helper track with the roadbed vs. the
traditional American Flyer track. I would like to see if I could get some
experience's? That some of you might have had with the running of the Old
American Flyer trains on it! The layout will not have any switch track on
it...

Thank's, Jeff Silvera
S.V.D. T.T.O.S.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62015 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: The 4-10-10-2
It's a curiousity at best and for some reason doesn't interest me at
all. Whatever curves it will negotiate (notice he only says it won't
negotiate Flyer curves, not what it will negotiate) it will look pretty
grotesque, like a Lego train negotiating an 8inch radius curve.
Actually a pretty small firebox to power that big a boiler and all those
drivers.

This was probably made for one reason, to sell as an oddity.

Dale

On 11/28/2010 3:04 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> If I recall, the Virginian Railway had some 2-10-10-2 articulated
> locomotives to haul coal back before WWII. They were hand fired and
> smaller diameter drivers and power than the 4-8-8-4 Big Boy or the C&O
> 2-6-6-6 Allegheny types.
> Personally, I have no problem with creating such reconstructions as
> long as they were built out of junk box locomotives. I do similar,
> although much less extreme, reconstructions myself and have so far put
> 19 enignes back on the rails.
> I find this to be a far better use for old Flyer than cutting up
> complete running engines for parts. But we've had that discussion before.
> Doctor Stumpenstein...Trainsyvania, Ahia
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62016 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: 4-10-10-2
Hi All,

I feel strongly both ways - rebuild junkers but don't kit-bash originals. Same concept with classic cars.

However, whichever track you follow, you've got to admit whoever built the 4-10-10-2 did an excellent cosmetic job.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62017 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Please some Insight!
It will surely run better on the SHS track than it did on original Flyer.
Steve


In a message dated 11/28/2010 11:37:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
afjeff_56@... writes:




Our TTOS Sacramento Valley Division portable layout group are in the middle
of assembling a new multi-gauge layout of Standard, O gauge, and S gauge.
They are leaning towards using S Helper track with the roadbed vs. the
traditional American Flyer track. I would like to see if I could get some
experience's? That some of you might have had with the running of the Old
American Flyer trains on it! The layout will not have any switch track on it...

Thank's, Jeff Silvera
S.V.D. T.T.O.S.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62018 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: 4-10-10-2
It is a coast-to-coast round trip - two Atlantics and two Pacifics. I
don't mind it. I don't want it, but I don't mind that it was done.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 4-10-10-2


Hi All,

I feel strongly both ways - rebuild junkers but don't kit-bash
originals. Same concept with classic cars.

However, whichever track you follow, you've got to admit whoever built
the 4-10-10-2 did an excellent cosmetic job.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62019 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Why not replace the trucks with some SHS powered ones?
Steve


In a message dated 11/28/2010 4:18:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
WJJIM@... writes:




Sideframes are held on by two "pins", each less than a 16th inch in
diameter, cast in zamak. NO strength whatsoever, they simply shear off,
possibly
in assembly. My issue was with the "Walking Brakeman" car. Mike Butash
was helpful UNTIL he found out was no longer in warranty. ON MY OWN then,
it was purchased for an operating display layout, I wanted NO parts of it,
got outvoted. So now we have a seventy dollar piece of Flyonel crap, w/o
wheels. Stays in the box somewhere.
The biggest issue is that LIONEL simply DOES NOT CARE, once it is out the
door. POOR products are POOR products, UNLESS you have the BIG name to
capitalize on, THEN quality is secondary, IF at all a consideration.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/28/2010 5:06:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_druvnik@..._ (mailto:druvnik@...) writes:

Could you please send/enclose some pictures of what the trucks look like?
Warping and sideframes falling off sounds pretty extreme. In over 20 years
of buying and running Flyonel, I've never had so much as an axle come off.
This is over 100 freight and passenger cars.Nothing. Everything has been
run, has survived moving from CT to VT, and two moves in VT. Perhaps an
occasional drop of oil at the bearing points solves the problem- John
Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62020 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/28/2010
Subject: Re: The 4-10-10-2
<<If I recall, the Virginian Railway had some 2-10-10-2 articulated
locomotives to haul coal back before WWII.>>

Herr Doctor Stumpenstein,

That's the VGN AE. A drag loco, not superpower like the later
Alleghany. Reid's book says that at some places along the line, you
could walk faster than an AE powered train ran. AE firemen would walk
along with their womanfolk..

FWIW 3rd Rail just relased one for O, they have a video on their web
site http://www.3rdrail.com/instock.html#VGNAE


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62021 From: clayton deich Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
 Ron, I too picked up a new Airco box car when in Ogden Utah two week back on work. The truck side plates on one side is lose. I think they can do better.. 
 Clayton  Milwaukie, Oregon
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> wrote:

From: Ron Inscho <roninscho@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel trucks still junk !
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 12:48 PM
















 









The current production of Lionel S gauge frt. trucks is no better &

unchanged from previous years , I got just some of the latest cars & right

out of the box had 2 trucks with broken sideframes while the others are

showing signs of warping like it is a really bad batch of potmetal ?. The

dealer said He will try to make it right .As He has had other complaints

about this , As I have had this in the past with these trucks & still

waiting for Lionel to come up with a fix / better designed truck .

Hopefully this problem with trucks will get better if they get away from

China ?






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62022 From: clayton deich Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 4-10-10-2
 Was it made in China? LOL
 Clayton  Milwaukie, Oregon



--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:

From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 4-10-10-2
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 6:25 PM
















 









It is a coast-to-coast round trip - two Atlantics and two Pacifics. I

don't mind it. I don't want it, but I don't mind that it was done.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter



-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of bull_gator_1

Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:56 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] 4-10-10-2



Hi All,



I feel strongly both ways - rebuild junkers but don't kit-bash

originals. Same concept with classic cars.



However, whichever track you follow, you've got to admit whoever built

the 4-10-10-2 did an excellent cosmetic job.



BG1






























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62023 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Not a bad idea, except we already paid too much for the piece of junk.
That is the infuriating part of it, Flyonel is lesser quality, higher priced
junk, sold on an out of date name. ACG stood behind their stuff, not
LIONEL. Kind of like buying a new car and then replacing the engine because the
car manufacturer can't build one that runs.

Jim


In a message dated 11/28/2010 10:16:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
boss31@... writes:

Why not replace the trucks with some SHS powered ones?
Steve




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62024 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 4-10-10-2
Bill, and all members, believe me when I say that as I

typed that message 'oh the horror' I had tongue firmly

tucked in cheek. I certainly hope he used junkers, and I

do admit he did a masterful job of fabrication. That said,

I admit I wonder what kind of 'drivetrain' he used, and if

it has multiple motors.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Porter
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 4-10-10-2





It is a coast-to-coast round trip - two Atlantics and two Pacifics. I
don't mind it. I don't want it, but I don't mind that it was done.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 4-10-10-2

Hi All,

I feel strongly both ways - rebuild junkers but don't kit-bash
originals. Same concept with classic cars.

However, whichever track you follow, you've got to admit whoever built
the 4-10-10-2 did an excellent cosmetic job.

BG1



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62025 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 293 smoke unit?
Hi Jay,
� The 293 Locomotive used two different smoke units.  The 1953 293 with a 4 Prong Plug used the XA10513 Smoke Unit Assembly. The 293 from 1954 to 1967 used the XA13B894 Smoke Unit Assembly.  Which 293 do you have?  The most common smoke kit sold from AFP Products includes instructions for the XA10513.  Theis smoke unit XA10513 wire side to side. The XA13B894 Smoke Unit wires down the middle and uses a PA14A209 Separator.   If you have this style, I sell the separator.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, jaay_st <jaay_st@...> wrote:

From: jaay_st <jaay_st@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 293 smoke unit?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 4:46 PM







 









Well, here I am in a quandry.

I have an AF 293 engine with a smoke problem.

I got the new wick and started following the directions to replace it.

Here's the rub; the 293 smoke unit is nothing like anything I see on the net or in the instructions.

It has only one chamber, and there is no 'black insulator box', either.

So, do I just feed the wires through the holes in the cover plate and solder them. Then stuff the wick in the chamber and screw the cover plate down?

(The hole in the aft wall of the chamber is clear)

Is the black insulator box required?

I did receive two pieces that look like they may be a liner or maybe a two pc gasket set; but none of the holes line up with anything in the box.

Any advice would be appreciated; especially from someone with a 293.

Jay

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62026 From: michael prell Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Well, Jim,
I just clicked on http://cgi.ebay.com/Really-Big-Big-Boy-American-Flyer-4-10-10-2-Locomotive_W
0QQitemZ300496243210QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparm
sZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D526247256264
5717206

again and got the following, "This listing () has been removed, or this item is not available.






Please check that you've entered the correct item number
Listings that have ended 90 or more days ago will not be available for viewing."

 How did you access it?
Mike Prell
 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:


From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 4:10 PM


 



I just accessed it. It IS what it IS.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/28/2010 4:00:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlprell@... writes:

Robert,Apparently, E-Bay's pulled the item. I can just imagine how you
feel about this practice, but IMHO at least the engines you mentioned were
sacrificed for something other than for parts & profit.
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62027 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: insight
  We at Badgerland use the S Helper track with roadbed on our small portable
layout with no problems at all. The track is well made but you have to be a
little careful with the rail joiners, all in all a good choice.
Ray 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62028 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: The 4-10-10-2
Even though some Flyer collectors have called me "The Mad Butcher" for reconstructing old Flyer locos, at least until they learn I use only junk box stuff to start with, I don't think I would have built a 4-10-10-2. This thing would have to be an operational nightmare!
Even if you put this boiler on two chassis, so that the lead or trailing chassis, or both, could swivel, the boiler overhang would wipe out all trackside structures on a curve!
If you've ever seen a HO scale Riverossi articulated struggle around a 22" radius curve, you know what I mean.
Another problem you would have with any articulated loco is that two motors generally don't work, again because of boiler swing. If one chassis swings under the boiler, there can't be a motor there because it won't allow that chassis to swing. A system of driveshafts would work out, but most home builders can't do some of the fabrication and machine work needed.
Yes, I've considered building articulated steam locos in S and even built a few in other scales. I have drawn sketches for short wheelbase articulateds in S gauge, such as would be used in logging or mining, but cannot justify the time, cost, or need to build them. My wife has been bugging me for years to do a Beyer-Garrett, which is articulated, but a whole different animal!
Like many locos of this type, the modeler probably just wanted to see if he could do it. Maybe he wanted to set a record as building the "World's longest S gauge loco." It has probably been sitting unused on a shelf for years with no place to run it.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62029 From: trainnut2us Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: And a Christmas hand car too
Group: S-Trains Message: 62030 From: trainnut2us Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: 0-12-0
Group: S-Trains Message: 62031 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Please some insight
Along the lines of track.....while I'm a great fan of SHS track, there are some limitations. The selection of different types of track sections is limited, such as many different curve radius' and different degree crossovers.
If you are building a home layout and want to do complicated trackwork, American Models track without the roadbed may work better for you. This will be especially true if you do some modifying or cutom track rebuilding. Case in point the fabulous trackwork that Carl does on his layout.
However, my experience with S and On30 portable layouts and with modular layouts in both O and HO has been to follow the K.I.S.S. principle; Keep it simple.
Complicated trackwork is asking for problems at public events! These problems multiply by the number of different people who will operate the layout. I've seen some real disasters with club modular layouts over the years!
Stumpy Stone...been there, derailed that...in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62032 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the
coal dump cars.

We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good
solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original
Gilbert AF trucks.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62033 From: John Maclennan Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: billboard wiring
No, still looking for an answer, Thanks for asking. Have reattached some wires to the brushes,but unsure of what to do with others.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: "bllamb29" [bllamb29@...]
Date: 11/28/2010 07:01 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: billboard wiring

Note: Original message sent as attachment

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62034 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
Try searching for item 300496243210. Those long links are often
butchered somewhere along the line.

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michael prell
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2
Locomotive

Well, Jim,
I just clicked
on http://cgi.ebay.com/Really-Big-Big-Boy-American-Flyer-4-10-10-2-Locom
otive_W
0QQitemZ300496243210QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trk
parm
sZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D52624725
6264
5717206

again and got the following, "This listing () has been removed, or this
item is not available.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62035 From: clayton deich Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Doug is there a way you can send me a few  photos of the new, but junk trucks. I would like to see one, and come up with an idea to fix them. I'm talking about the action trucks.

 Clayton  Milwaukie, OR

--- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:

From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 5:33 AM
















 









The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the

coal dump cars.



We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good

solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original

Gilbert AF trucks.



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

doug@...

www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>

www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>

www.sgaugetrains.com

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62036 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: And a Christmas hand car too
This Is at lease the third time I have seen this on e bay. Is it the same one ,
or is somebody making them.
DON




________________________________
From: trainnut2us <trainnut2us@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 9:25:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] And a Christmas hand car too


http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Union-Pacific-Diecast-0-12-0-Locomotive-/300497334977?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f70972c1








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62037 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: billboard wiring
One lead to either brush, the other lead to either side of the field, the other side of the field to the other brush. Make sure you put a knot in the wire leaving enough slack behind it so when it hits the grommet the wires do not pull on the brush caps and other connections.

Dave

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM" <jmaclennan@...> wrote:
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> Hi all.
>
> I have an AF whistling billboard for which the wires have come unattached. Would anyone have a wiring diagram they would share? The diagrams I've seen are just for attaching the billboard to the transformer.
>
> Thanks.
> HAPPY LABOR DAY
> Jack Maclennan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62038 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
The original style reproductions are an almost exact copy of the original sintered iron action car truck. If you have any KC vintage operating action car look at that for an idea. You'll need a plain truck for the other end of the new car for them to match.

Dave


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:
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>  Clayton  Milwaukie, OR
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> --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62039 From: Larry Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: rookie questions...
Hi guys (and girls),

I'm just starting to look into getting back into model railroads and things seem to have changed in the last 40 years...

1. S gauge... hi rail, scale, tin plate, narrow gauge???
2. AC or DC??
3. sound systems??

Advantages / disadvantages of each of these? Compatibility with each other??

Is there a place (url) for gaining a baseline knowledge about all of this stuff? I've looked over the different scales and gauges and I think S will be the best fit for me.

Thanks, Larry
Group: S-Trains Message: 62040 From: Timboy Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone:

I spent this morning doing some rough construction for the next section on my RR. Since it has a Stock Yard on one of the lower elevation tracks, I'll simply call it Stock Yard Section.

To follow along and see why I'm building it the way I am, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62041 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Easiest "fix" is to file off pins (the remains) drill the truck and pin it
or put screws in. Means removing the truck to accomplish, last time I
talked to flyonel parts dept, they had NO rivets to re-secure the trucks.
Interestingly, I have NEVER had to fix an SHS truck, EVER (they cost less, too).

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/29/2010 10:34:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
uvl97222@... writes:

Doug is there a way you can send me a few photos of the new, but junk
trucks. I would like to see one, and come up with an idea to fix them. I'm
talking about the action trucks.

Clayton Milwaukie, OR

--- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:

From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 5:33 AM


























The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the

coal dump cars.



We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good

solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original

Gilbert AF trucks.



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

doug@...

www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>

www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>

www.sgaugetrains.com

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62042 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Parts
Can someone refresh my memory. I have a very early K5 with SIT, and need a boiler front. I cannot recall if this had just a button to hold it in place or two long brass clips. Also is Doug Peck or Joe H still alive. I've repeatedly sent them both e-mails since Nov 20 regarding getting this boiler front and a 2 hole cab jack panel and have gotten no replies.

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 62043 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: 293 smoke unit?
You have a very late smoke unit typical of what are found in the 5 digit locos. Does your 293 have the 2 position reverse in the cab by any chance? Anyway, the smoker has a solid bottom and only two lugs on the top. Just run the nichrome wires up through the eyelets and wrap them around the lugs leaving the element slightly below the top plate. Just stuff the rest of the wick down into the bottom of the casting cutting off and inch or two if needed. Make sure the wick is below the top edge of the casting so the smoke can travel to the stack opening. Reattach the top plate and your good to go.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jaay_st" <jaay_st@...> wrote:
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> Well, here I am in a quandry.
> I have an AF 293 engine with a smoke problem.
> I got the new wick and started following the directions to replace it.
> Here's the rub; the 293 smoke unit is nothing like anything I see on the net or in the instructions.
> It has only one chamber, and there is no 'black insulator box', either.
> So, do I just feed the wires through the holes in the cover plate and solder them. Then stuff the wick in the chamber and screw the cover plate down?
> (The hole in the aft wall of the chamber is clear)
> Is the black insulator box required?
> I did receive two pieces that look like they may be a liner or maybe a two pc gasket set; but none of the holes line up with anything in the box.
> Any advice would be appreciated; especially from someone with a 293.
> Jay
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62044 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
In that case, maybe one should buy a original action car?

Mike
From: Doug Peck
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 8:33 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !


The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the
coal dump cars.

We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good
solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original
Gilbert AF trucks.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
mailto:doug%40portlines.com
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62045 From: May Cunningham Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Video
Just looking at You Tube, and this layout looks great.  Any idea how big the layout is?

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From: Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Video
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 2:50 AM


 



Nice layout. It has the "look" of the Gilbert Hall of Science 2nd floor
layout!! Looks like it might be located in Michigan (where I live) due
to the map on the wall. Hey Aaron, can I bring my trains over to run on
your layout??? ;-)

On 10/21/2010 9:25 PM, Dale Smith wrote:
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> Very interesting layout, especially the way he made the parallel curves
> by mixing 54 inch radius with standard 40 inch radius Flyer track to
> create 4 different radii of curves. I checked it out on RRTrack and it
> makes curves of 20 inch, approximately 22 inch, approximately 24 inch,
> and 27 inch radius. Neat idea.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62046 From: clayton Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: FYI to the group..
I picked up two boxes of shells - one box is just tender shells, and the other box is only shells of Locos. They were pulled apart for the parts by some one other them my self. If any of you would like to do repaints let me know what you are looking for, and I will see what in the pile. Some are SIT also. They may end up on Ebay at some point..

312 - 322 - 302 - and I think there is a few 310 too. Screw hole could be bad, but some of you are in to the use of glue..

They are in Apple boxes.


Clayton
Milwaukie OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 62047 From: George Cohn Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Really Big, Big Boy American Flyer 4-10-10-2 Locomotive
On 11/29/2010 8:15 AM, Bill Porter wrote:
> Try searching for item 300496243210. Those long links are often
> butchered somewhere along the line.

Or use tinyurl.com to create a smaller url:

http://tinyurl.com/276z5nm

Most mail programs wrap really long url's and that one is some 214
characters long!

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 62048 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
When Lionel bought out K-Line, one of the rumors was that Lionel was going to put the K-Line "S" trucks under the Flyer products. Was that just too good of an idea for Lionel?
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:20:52 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel trucks still junk !






Ron, I too picked up a new Airco box car when in Ogden Utah two week back on work. The truck side plates on one side is lose. I think they can do better..
Clayton Milwaukie, Oregon
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Ron Inscho < roninscho@... > wrote:

From: Ron Inscho < roninscho@... >
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel trucks still junk !
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 12:48 PM



The current production of Lionel S gauge frt. trucks is no better &

unchanged from previous years , I got just some of the latest cars & right

out of the box had 2 trucks with broken sideframes while the others are

showing signs of warping like it is a really bad batch of potmetal ?. The

dealer said He will try to make it right .As He has had other complaints

about this , As I have had this in the past with these trucks & still

waiting for Lionel to come up with a fix / better designed truck .

Hopefully this problem with trucks will get better if they get away from

China ?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62049 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Was to happen when the Flyonel "stock" ran out. LIONEL has since given up
K-Line, so probably a moot point.
Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/29/2010 2:05:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jimensign50@... writes:

one of the rumors was that Lionel was going to put the K-Line "S" trucks
under the Flyer products. Was that just too good of an idea for Lionel?
Jim E.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62050 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Guess I'll look thru the parts boxes, see what I have. The BIGGEST issue
here is that LIONEL is a Marketing Co, NOT a "Parts store", NOT a train
interest/enthusiast company. They make only what they think they can sell,
quality is of no real consequence as long as it will sell, and hasn't been
for a very long time. Stockholders take precedence over customers.
Jim "heading for the parts room" Lyle


In a message dated 11/29/2010 2:04:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
piccu56@... writes:

The original style reproductions are an almost exact copy of the original
sintered iron action car truck. If you have any KC vintage operating action
car look at that for an idea. You'll need a plain truck for the other end
of the new car for them to match.

Dave


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:
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> Doug is there a way you can send me a few  photos of the new, but junk
trucks. I would like to see one, and come up with an idea to fix them. I'm
talking about the action trucks.
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>  Clayton  Milwaukie, OR
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> --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:
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> From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62051 From: barry_ja Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: northern number boards
Gentleman,
How do replacement number boards attach to boiler shell? Are they reliable?
I defer to those more knowledgable than I/
Thanks in advance

Barry
Group: S-Trains Message: 62052 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: rookie questions...
This is the place to ask. And I'm sure you will get at least 50
different answers but I'll start.

I do a combination of S Scale and AF/Hi Rail, almost all AF since I had
a lot of that from when I was a kid. Most new items are scale but I will
pick up an AF item if it fits in properly.

I am mixing standard and Sn3 and plan an interchange yard like the EBT
has in Mt. Union, PA when I have a place for a layout when our move
(stage 2) is finished.

So far I am doing pure DC, having converted all my old AF engines to DC
but keeping the direction units in case I ever want to go back or sell.
At some point I will probably upgrade to DCC when I have a layout and
the funds.

Sound will be added when I go to DCC. Till then, just building scale
cars, 1 scale engine, and buildings for the eventual layout.

There is also the S Scale list, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, for more scale
discussion and the Sn3 group, Sn3@yahoogroups.com, to discuss Sn3. All
are excellent groups for information and accept anyone.(they must, the
took me).

There is no right answer to any of your questions. Most are really
personal choices.

Now, for the discussion of track size, amount of detailing, and other
'interesting' topics.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 11/29/2010 1:34 PM, Larry wrote:
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> Hi guys (and girls),
>
> I'm just starting to look into getting back into model railroads and
> things seem to have changed in the last 40 years...
>
> 1. S gauge... hi rail, scale, tin plate, narrow gauge???
> 2. AC or DC??
> 3. sound systems??
>
> Advantages / disadvantages of each of these? Compatibility with each
> other??
>
> Is there a place (url) for gaining a baseline knowledge about all of
> this stuff? I've looked over the different scales and gauges and I
> think S will be the best fit for me.
>
> Thanks, Larry
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62053 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: rookie questions...
Dear Larry,
Here is some info on DCC from the Bristol Club...
Don

http://www.mainerailroads.org/dccinfo/nmradccs3b.pdf


On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Larry wrote:

> Hi guys (and girls),
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> I'm just starting to look into getting back into model railroads and
> things seem to have changed in the last 40 years...
>
> 1. S gauge... hi rail, scale, tin plate, narrow gauge???
> 2. AC or DC??
> 3. sound systems??
>
> Advantages / disadvantages of each of these? Compatibility with each
> other??
>
> Is there a place (url) for gaining a baseline knowledge about all of
> this stuff? I've looked over the different scales and gauges and I
> think S will be the best fit for me.
>
> Thanks, Larry


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62054 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Defective Flyonel Truck - My Repair
Hi All,

I have only encountered one defective Flyonel truck so far. A little dab of Gorilla two-part epoxy took care of the problem.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62055 From: Larry Martin Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: rookie questions...
Don,

Outstanding.... just what I was looking for.

Thanks, Larry





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From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 11:41:48 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rookie questions...


Dear Larry,
Here is some info on DCC from the Bristol Club...
Don

http://www.mainerailroads.org/dccinfo/nmradccs3b.pdf

On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Larry wrote:

> Hi guys (and girls),
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> I'm just starting to look into getting back into model railroads and
> things seem to have changed in the last 40 years...
>
> 1. S gauge... hi rail, scale, tin plate, narrow gauge???
> 2. AC or DC??
> 3. sound systems??
>
> Advantages / disadvantages of each of these? Compatibility with each
> other??
>
> Is there a place (url) for gaining a baseline knowledge about all of
> this stuff? I've looked over the different scales and gauges and I
> think S will be the best fit for me.
>
> Thanks, Larry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62056 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: "S"acto Convention (aka X2011W) Air Travel Discounts
Gents..



Here is a special travel discount just for the "S"acto convention. Other
details at:



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A discount of 5 % off the lowest fare posted at the time the reservation is
made.



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The discount code is A9861DF



Members of the group, traveling together or individually to X2011, can
contact American Airlines Meeting Services Desk at 1-800-433-1790 for
assistance with reservations and ticket purchase.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62057 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Lionel did not buy K-Line, they only leased the tooling...
Don

On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:50 AM, jimensign50@... wrote:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62058 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
Yep and dont blame the Chinese - they make what they are paid to
make. If you want to pay for it they will make it well. Alistair
On Tue 30/11/10 4:43 AM , WJJIM@... sent:
Guess I'll look thru the parts boxes, see what I have. The BIGGEST
issue
here is that LIONEL is a Marketing Co, NOT a "Parts store", NOT a
train
interest/enthusiast company. They make only what they think they can
sell,
quality is of no real consequence as long as it will sell, and
hasn't been
for a very long time. Stockholders take precedence over customers.
Jim "heading for the parts room" Lyle
In a message dated 11/29/2010 2:04:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
piccu56@... [1] writes:
The original style reproductions are an almost exact copy of the
original
sintered iron action car truck. If you have any KC vintage operating
action
car look at that for an idea. You'll need a plain truck for the
other end
of the new car for them to match.
Dave
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2], clayton deich wrote:
>
> Doug is there a way you can send me a few  photos of the new,
but junk
trucks. I would like to see one, and come up with an idea to fix
them. I'm
talking about the action trucks.
>
>  Clayton  Milwaukie, OR
>
> --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck wrote:
>
> From: Doug Peck
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3]
> Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 5:33 AM
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good
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>
> Gilbert AF trucks.
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> Port Lines Hobby Supply
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> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
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> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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> www.portlines.com
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> www.flyerparts.com
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> www.sgaugetrains.com
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> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST).
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> 978-465-8798
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62059 From: Timboy Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Hi Everyone:

If I were going to build my very large American Flyer layout with a modern track system, I would choose either S-Helper or American Models track. The real decision for me would be where I could get the best deal from on the - dozens of full cases that I would need. If you have a small Flyer layout or are planning on building one, then price probably would not be such an issue. Again, for me - the type of sub-roadbed I would use would be a huge factor as well. For the amount I would need, cork or homabed would be expensive. I would experiment with a fiber insulation board; ripping it into strips and routing a bevel on either side. Failing that, the price of a bulk deal on roadbed would be the deciding factor on which one I would use. I would keep a few leftover pieces of track and/or roadbed on hand for whatever and sell any quantity that remained on eBay.

I hate Lionel and therefore Flyonel, so I can't contribute to that discussion. Sorry to hear of the bad experiences, though. Bummer!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62060 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Finally heard from Doug! I need the one with two brass clips. Thanks anyway folks.

Dave

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "piccu56" <piccu56@...> wrote:
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> Can someone refresh my memory. I have a very early K5 with SIT, and need a boiler front. I cannot recall if this had just a button to hold it in place or two long brass clips. Also is Doug Peck or Joe H still alive. I've repeatedly sent them both e-mails since Nov 20 regarding getting this boiler front and a 2 hole cab jack panel and have gotten no replies.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62061 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
I am very happy with the track I got from www.classictrains.com , road bed, I got from vinyl roadbed and natural S scale real rock ballast I got from Classic Trains.

I had one truck fall apart, on a Lionel AF Action car I got converted over to DCC and I used glue like David did to fix it. I do not buy Lionel AF products for the layout.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel


Hi Everyone:

If I were going to build my very large American Flyer layout with a modern track system, I would choose either S-Helper or American Models track. The real decision for me would be where I could get the best deal from on the - dozens of full cases that I would need. If you have a small Flyer layout or are planning on building one, then price probably would not be such an issue. Again, for me - the type of sub-roadbed I would use would be a huge factor as well. For the amount I would need, cork or homabed would be expensive. I would experiment with a fiber insulation board; ripping it into strips and routing a bevel on either side. Failing that, the price of a bulk deal on roadbed would be the deciding factor on which one I would use. I would keep a few leftover pieces of track and/or roadbed on hand for whatever and sell any quantity that remained on eBay.

I hate Lionel and therefore Flyonel, so I can't contribute to that discussion. Sorry to hear of the bad experiences, though. Bummer!

Regards,
Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62062 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Trolley Timer
Hi Folks,

Bill McConnell on another list has made a very nice reversing trolley
control and a video of it in action. The technology is low and within
reach of most of us. It would apply to a variety of animation
techniques. Take a look at the video and see if you don't agree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhG0Nrt_HgM

Bill (I've got to try one or two of these)

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 62063 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
I just did a SEARCH of my Inbox, which retains messages for 3 months and
did not find a single email from "piccu56", so you must be doing
something wrong!



Anyway, the earliest K5 boiler fronts were held in place by the 2 brass
clips, with no light socket on the boiler front (it was mounted inside
the boiler shell, on the chassis).

We have repros. Jack panels also.



<<<Can someone refresh my memory. I have a very early K5 with SIT, and
need a boiler front. I cannot recall if this had just a button to hold
it in place or two long brass clips. Also is Doug Peck or Joe H still
alive. I've repeatedly sent them both e-mails since Nov 20 regarding
getting this boiler front and a 2 hole cab jack panel and have gotten no
replies.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62064 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
Hi Dave,
� I have the brtass clips and the jack panel if you still need these.
� Tom Seccia
Triple "S" Supplies

--- On Mon, 11/29/10, piccu56 <piccu56@...> wrote:

From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Parts
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 3:16 PM







 









Finally heard from Doug! I need the one with two brass clips. Thanks anyway folks.



Dave



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "piccu56" <piccu56@...> wrote:

>

> Can someone refresh my memory. I have a very early K5 with SIT, and need a boiler front. I cannot recall if this had just a button to hold it in place or two long brass clips. Also is Doug Peck or Joe H still alive. I've repeatedly sent them both e-mails since Nov 20 regarding getting this boiler front and a 2 hole cab jack panel and have gotten no replies.

>

> Dave

>

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62065 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Trucks
No pix from the guys who complain about faulty trucks, just babbling. Guys, do you know that Lionel is no more Lionel than American Flyer is AF? Both companies died nearly 50 years ago. I have NEVER experienced truck problems- except for 60 year old Gilbert trucks losing their side frames. Seriously. This whole carping about defective trucks sounds like the rantings of a now-banned member's speil. Show me the pix, I really want to see what you are complaining about. But, more to the point, if you are so down on the product, why are you still buying it? - john marganski




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62066 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trucks
Was a "committee" decision, I wanted NO parts of it. We bought a Flyonel
Baldwin at the same time, again committee decision, it ran for almost 5
minutes before it failed. I'll get you pics.
Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/29/2010 8:36:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
druvnik@... writes:

why are you still buying it? - john marganski





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62067 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/29/2010
Subject: Re: Trucks
I think I know what they are talking about, as the side frames to the trucks fall apart, as I had one recent Lionel AF do that.

Glue fixed it, but it should not be doing that truck falling apart.

I think Lionel AF used to have Metal side frame trucks, now they are plastic cheaply put on part that holds the side frame.

Mike


From: john isn't eddie anymore
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 8:01 PM
To: S-Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Trucks


No pix from the guys who complain about faulty trucks, just babbling. Guys, do you know that Lionel is no more Lionel than American Flyer is AF? Both companies died nearly 50 years ago. I have NEVER experienced truck problems- except for 60 year old Gilbert trucks losing their side frames. Seriously. This whole carping about defective trucks sounds like the rantings of a now-banned member's speil. Show me the pix, I really want to see what you are complaining about. But, more to the point, if you are so down on the product, why are you still buying it? - john marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62068 From: Ron Inscho Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: re fixing Lionel frt.trucks
Well I thought I would try to file of those pins & drill for an 0.90 screw
& WOW !! you can't drill this stuff as the sideframe just crumbles , and
there is not much there to drill & tap . Also the reason I have not posted
any pics is I don't have a camera , as I spent all the dough on the Flyonel
stuff. Hopefully someone can provide pics of these . Thanks Ron
Group: S-Trains Message: 62069 From: michael prell Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Why, then it's a true Work In Progress! {;>)


 
Break out the Katanas, Folks!
The inmates are running the institution!

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 5:03 PM


 



Thanks, Michael!

Tomorrow I'll start work on another section. I think it's interesting that when most people build a layout, they get it running first and then slowly work at getting scenery in place here and there until it's all done. If you follow my blog, you'll notice that while I do have the bench work and sub-roadbed put in, everything else is either finished or raw.

Regards,
Timboy

Michael prell wrote:
>
> Tim, That is excellent work! I'm particularly impressed with your use of Gilbert Erector for the steel bridge in the back. Totally creative all the way around! Tracks Ahead and thanks for sharing! Wow!
> Mike Prell
>











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Group: S-Trains Message: 62070 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fw: 1936/1937 #1682/1683 American Flyer "O" gauge Hiawatha locomotiv
Can anyone help my friend with his friend’s questions.

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

From: John Picur
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 4:23 AM
To: michael and Linda Marmer
Cc: Bill Giolma
Subject: Fw: 1936/1937 #1682/1683 American Flyer "O" gauge Hiawatha locomotive.

Hi Mike:

As my American Flyer guru, can you help my friend in Escondido CA with this?

regards ... pqr


----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Giolma
To: John Picur
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 6:27 PM
Subject: 1936/1937 #1682/1683 American Flyer "O" gauge Hiawatha locomotive.

John: With your superior research skills could you try and find a source of information concerning the restoration of the above Locomotive. Available parts, actual paint colors of the model (I know it was not exactly like the prototype. It lacked the beautiful dark red trim lines) However, there must be information of the "correct" model paint for the Grey and the Orange-Yellow. Anything, or anybody that you can discover would be most helpful!! I believe that the 1936 #1682 and the 1937 #1683 were almost identical except that the earlier one had a whistle in the tender which was powered from a 4th. rail in the otherwise similar to Lionel track. I know because I had one as my first train set probably for Christmas about 1952. I foolishly "lost track" of it over the years and now it is gone forever. I am buying restorable pieces off ebay and I have seen an example of a beautiful restoration. It will be a shelf queen. Thanks John, your friend as always William Mayne Giolma.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62071 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out panel and composite hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 62072 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: rookie questions
Here is another reference, interactive info about TMCC/ Legacy
 www.coilcouplers.com




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62073 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
A email from a O gauge friend on how Lionel responds quickly to a O gauge issue.

Why are they not doing the same with the AF line.

Weird.

Mike

From: Wjzwjz@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 8:04 AM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Mike,

I am surprised that Lionel is not addressing the issue......Are you sure that it is the case with current production or are you talking about 2-3 years ago?

Whenever an issue like this pops up on the O forums, Lionel is pretty quick to respond or address it. I don't see why they would treat their AF line any differently. It just doesn't make good business sense......

-- Bill Zide

"Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts"

In a message dated 11/29/2010 3:19:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes:
Bill,

These are current production, as this problem has been told to Lionel over and over by many who buy AF Lionel products.

The problem is, and I am sorry that was not too clear for you, the trucks fall apart on you many right out of the box.

I had that problem with a action car I got, to convert over to DCC. I had to reglue the truck back together.

Mike

From: Wjzwjz@...
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 2:30 PM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Mike,

Arre you talking about current production AF trucks or the earlier version of the Lionel AF trucks?

Current Lionel trucks for O gauge have more detail, are more to scale and have less friction than the earlier O gauge trucks that Lionl manufactured in the early modern era (1970+).

If current production, I'm surprised that Lionel would not have introduced the same improvements that they have made for O gauge into their S gauge line.......

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

-- Bill Zide

"Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts"

In a message dated 11/29/2010 11:55:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes:
LOL LOL LOL : Lionel junk.

They can not seem to get it right.

However, I do not buy Lionel products anymore for many reasons.

Why not just buy a original car in the first place, they are cheap enough.

Mike

From: clayton deich
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:26 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !


Doug is there a way you can send me a few photos of the new, but junk trucks. I would like to see one, and come up with an idea to fix them. I'm talking about the action trucks.

Clayton Milwaukie, OR

--- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> wrote:

From: Doug Peck <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 5:33 AM



The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the

coal dump cars.

We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good

solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original

Gilbert AF trucks.

Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

mailto:doug%40portlines.com

www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>

www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>

www.sgaugetrains.com

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62074 From: piccu56 Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Parts
It was not me Doug. I sent my first message on 11/20 and on Sunday it came back from Mailer Demon as undeliverable. The address was correct. I resent on Monday and never heard a word. Resent on Wednesday, and that one came back as undeliverable by the Mailer Demon. I resent on Thursday evening (Thanksgiving), and never heard a word. I resent again on Sunday. So it seems that for some reason your mail system may be rejecting some and losing others. All I can do is send it to the Doug@... address and hope for the best. It makes me wonder how many orders you may not be getting due to this system issue.

Take care...


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> I just did a SEARCH of my Inbox, which retains messages for 3 months and
> did not find a single email from "piccu56", so you must be doing
> something wrong!
>
>
>
> Anyway, the earliest K5 boiler fronts were held in place by the 2 brass
> clips, with no light socket on the boiler front (it was mounted inside
> the boiler shell, on the chassis).
>
> We have repros. Jack panels also.
>
>
>
> <<<Can someone refresh my memory. I have a very early K5 with SIT, and
> need a boiler front. I cannot recall if this had just a button to hold
> it in place or two long brass clips. Also is Doug Peck or Joe H still
> alive. I've repeatedly sent them both e-mails since Nov 20 regarding
> getting this boiler front and a 2 hole cab jack panel and have gotten no
> replies.>>>
>
>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> doug@...
> www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
> www.sgaugetrains.com
> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62075 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
I discussed this with Mike Reagan in person at York a yr ago. Mike is a
heads up kinda guy. Admitted product was poorly made, BUT, he had no better
replacement, and THAT is part of the issue, they have NOTHING better, and
apparently no plans.. "O" IS LIONELS market, BTW, "S" is an
"accommodation", maybe


In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:33:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

A email from a O gauge friend on how Lionel responds quickly to a O gauge
issue.

Why are they not doing the same with the AF line.

Weird.

Mike

From: Wjzwjz@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 8:04 AM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Mike,

I am surprised that Lionel is not addressing the issue......Are you sure
that it is the case with current production or are you talking about 2-3
years ago?

Whenever an issue like this pops up on the O forums, Lionel is pretty
quick to respond or address it. I don't see why they would treat their AF line
any differently. It just doesn't make good business sense......

-- Bill Zide

"Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be
counted counts"

In a message dated 11/29/2010 3:19:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:
Bill,

These are current production, as this problem has been told to Lionel over
and over by many who buy AF Lionel products.

The problem is, and I am sorry that was not too clear for you, the trucks
fall apart on you many right out of the box.

I had that problem with a action car I got, to convert over to DCC. I
had to reglue the truck back together.

Mike

From: Wjzwjz@...
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 2:30 PM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Mike,

Arre you talking about current production AF trucks or the earlier version
of the Lionel AF trucks?

Current Lionel trucks for O gauge have more detail, are more to scale and
have less friction than the earlier O gauge trucks that Lionl manufactured
in the early modern era (1970+).

If current production, I'm surprised that Lionel would not have introduced
the same improvements that they have made for O gauge into their S gauge
line.......

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

-- Bill Zide

"Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be
counted counts"

In a message dated 11/29/2010 11:55:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:
LOL LOL LOL : Lionel junk.

They can not seem to get it right.

However, I do not buy Lionel products anymore for many reasons.

Why not just buy a original car in the first place, they are cheap enough.

Mike

From: clayton deich
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:26 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !


Doug is there a way you can send me a few photos of the new, but junk
trucks. I would like to see one, and come up with an idea to fix them. I'm
talking about the action trucks.

Clayton Milwaukie, OR

--- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> wrote:

From: Doug Peck <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 5:33 AM



The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the

coal dump cars.

We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good

solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original

Gilbert AF trucks.

Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

mailto:doug%40portlines.com

www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>

www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>

www.sgaugetrains.com

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62076 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
<< I hate Lionel and therefore Flyonel, so I can't contribute to that discussion. Sorry to hear of the bad experiences, though. Bummer! >>


Timboy

Don't beat around the bush, tell us how you really feel about Lionel :-)

Seriously, in my O gauge days I bought a fair amount of Lionel product - it was hit and miss. I had good luck with the repros of Flyer accessories, but I'd give credit to superior engineering at Gilbert. It was the removal of Lionel accessories in favor of Flyer types that put me on the express to S. Thanks Lionel!


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62077 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
<< In that case, maybe one should buy a original action car?

Mike >>

Port Lines and others sell Gilbert and earlier Flionel, so even if you can't get to a show you can find U.S. made trains


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62078 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
<< Was to happen when the Flyonel "stock" ran out. LIONEL has since given up
K-Line, so probably a moot point.
Jim Lyle >>


My understanding is that Lionel only had an agreement with the Chinese manufacturer to move ordered/unsold K-Line product.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62079 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
<< The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the
coal dump cars. We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good
solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original
Gilbert AF trucks.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply >>



Makes me glad I only run link coupler stuff..no temptation to buy new stuff..



Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62080 From: Timboy Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Michael,

Hee-Hee-Hee. True that.

I felt very energetic this morning and got a lot done!

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy


> Why, then it's a true Work In Progress! {;>)
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62081 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: "S"actoConvention American Airlines Promo Code (5% discount)
Gents..Please note the following if you attempt to use the American Airlines
5% discount air fare promo code. Apparently a few folks found out (the hard
way) that the "A" must be omitted. Ed L.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

when he tried to book travel the promotion code did not work. I tried
booking a ticket online and also found the promotional code came back as
invalid.

I called the American Airlines number provided and the person on the phone
said that you need to leave the "A" off of the beginning of the promotional
code.

We should be entering the promotion code of 9861DF instead of A9861DF.

I tried this code on the AA group site and this promotional code is
accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62082 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
NEWS BULLETIN.
Lionel to start using link couplers in its new 2012 train production.
This was decided to do since Lionel is having so much production problems with their current production of AF trucks.
Production to start on February 31, 2011.
Leo the Lion.
From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:58 PM
To: S-Trains Mailing List
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !



<< The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the
coal dump cars. We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good
solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original
Gilbert AF trucks.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply >>

Makes me glad I only run link coupler stuff..no temptation to buy new stuff..

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62083 From: Timboy Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Brady:

Actually, I think post-war Lionel trains were engineered better than Gilbert trains were. I just dislike (strongly) the look of the trains and the 3-rail track. Always have. But they run like, well - Lionels!

Regards,
Timboy

...I'd give credit to superior engineering at Gilbert. It was the removal of Lionel accessories in favor of Flyer types that put me on the express to S. Thanks Lionel!
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62084 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: RR Crossings Quiet Zone in MD, Yikes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110304856.html

Not sure if any of you know about this, but in Kensington, MD they have the first Quiet Zone ever for RR crossings
in the state of MD.

I am not sure if there are zones like this elsewhere in the US or anywhere else.

I think this is sad, as the RR tracks have been here since the 1800s, as the people who moved here, knew about the trains coming by every day.

I wonder what will happen when there is a accident between a motor vehicle and train which I hope does not happen, but it will someday, in my opinion due to the nature of people running crossings.

Mike Marmer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62085 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Comet Blue
I am looking to repaint a comet diesel and would like to match the blue color.
Does amy one know what brand of paint and what number would match. I have a air
brush. Thanks

dlkeil@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62086 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Rants and ravings.
Good grief. What price narrow mindedness?

This means none of the new heavyweights (the best of their kind in S
hi-rail), no Freedom Train set, no Chicago and Alton passenger set (a gorgeous
train!), no scale USRA Mikado, no scale USRA Pacific, and no "club" cars.
And, no scale Challenger in the near future. These trains are some of the
nicest S gauge out there and some of us surely would be the poorer for not
having them.

Bummer.

By the way, a friend and I both bought samples of the L-AF reissue of the
sheet metal No. 915 with the Renwal tank truck at York last month. They
were done beautifully (as a reproduction) and the power trucks are just fine.
I understand that some folks are having problems with the power trucks and
I am sorry to hear of it. However, after buying L-AF rolling stock
manufactured over three decades I have yet to buy one piece with a truck that fell
apart. How about some sense of proportion, boys and girls?

No manufacturer is perfect. I have had to deal with the occasional
manufacturing defect and operational shortcoming of trains from AM and SHS at my
own expense. I addressed the issues, moved on, and now enjoy those trains.
The few who habitually serial post rants here might do well to do the same.
;-)

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 11/30/2010 7:43:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

>>>

I do not buy Lionel AF products for the layout.

Mike




and,

I hate Lionel and therefore Flyonel........

<<<.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62087 From: Ben Perry Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: RR Crossings Quiet Zone in MD, Yikes
Hi Mike;
FYI, there are "quiet Zones" throughout the US.
Ben Perry




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62088 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: RR Quiet Zones in MD.
Well, that's the way things go today in an America which badly lacks common sense. You can bet that if city zoning laws require no horns at the crossing, there WILL be an accident! Heck there are accidents WITH the engineer blowing his horn like mad!
And you can bet that the lawsuits will be pointed at the railroad, not the city zoning board or whatever idiot pushed for such a law! Only the army of lawyers that will become involved will profit.
On the other hand, many years ago, I was announcing a race in Muncie, Indiana. We stayed at a motel where railroad tracks ran right behind the building! No trains were running when we checked in and not during the evening.
About Midnight I was jerked awake by air horns right outside my window. I drew back the curtain to see journal boxes passing by at eye level! The train rumbled by, complete with squeeling wheels.
I had just dozed off when the whole thing was repeated! And it went on about every half hour until 6 AM! Then it got quiet again. At the front desk, I found out why!
A city ordinance had been imposed on the railroad for blocking RR crossings more than five minutes. Since there was a crossing at every block through town, it was impossible for the railroad not to block at least one.
To get around this, the railroad had negotiated to run into the city only at night. And so, all the freight into Muncie ran from Midnight to six. The battle between the railroad and the city had been dragging on for weeks! I never did find out how that all shook out because we were never in Muncie again.
Leave it up to politicians to screw things up! And by the way...What ever happened to emineant domain? The railroad was there first wasn't it?
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62089 From: rick gough Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
That should fly like a lead balloon!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62090 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: RR Crossings Quiet Zone in MD, Yikes
Ben,

Thanks for letting me know this, as I had no clue about this being a issue with towns.

I am surprised that no major accidents have occurred yet.

Mike

From: Ben Perry
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RR Crossings Quiet Zone in MD, Yikes


Hi Mike;
FYI, there are "quiet Zones" throughout the US.
Ben Perry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62091 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62092 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: RR Quiet Zones in MD.
and he notes -

Ronald Reagan (nee Washington National) Airport in Arlington, VA has
no flights between 10:00 P. M.. and 6:00 A. M. as a noise abatement
restriction imposed by Arlington County and similarly RF&P's one time
Potomac yard also located in Arlington had similar restrictions on
using the hump yard due to the noise the retarders made. If I recall
correctly, FEC had night horn restrictions in several Florida towns.
They did have flashing light crossing signals though.

Many years ago we drove to California and stopped (among other
places) overnight in a town called Wakeeney, Kansas. That evening a
UP passenger train came roaring through and blew its horn from one
end of town to the other. I asked the motel manager if they always
did that and he said "Yup. Town's so small they ain't got time t'
blow each crossing!"

Raleigh in Maine waitin' for the raine...

At 06:01 PM 11/30/2010, mrstumpy50 wrote:

>Well, that's the way things go today in an America which badly lacks
>common sense. You can bet that if city zoning laws require no horns
>at the crossing, there WILL be an accident! Heck there are accidents
>WITH the engineer blowing his horn like mad!
>And you can bet that the lawsuits will be pointed at the railroad,
>not the city zoning board or whatever idiot pushed for such a law!
>Only the army of lawyers that will become involved will profit.
>On the other hand, many years ago, I was announcing a race in
>Muncie, Indiana. We stayed at a motel where railroad tracks ran
>right behind the building! No trains were running when we checked in
>and not during the evening.
>About Midnight I was jerked awake by air horns right outside my
>window. I drew back the curtain to see journal boxes passing by at
>eye level! The train rumbled by, complete with squeeling wheels.
>I had just dozed off when the whole thing was repeated! And it went
>on about every half hour until 6 AM! Then it got quiet again. At the
>front desk, I found out why!
>A city ordinance had been imposed on the railroad for blocking RR
>crossings more than five minutes. Since there was a crossing at
>every block through town, it was impossible for the railroad not to
>block at least one.
>To get around this, the railroad had negotiated to run into the city
>only at night. And so, all the freight into Muncie ran from Midnight
>to six. The battle between the railroad and the city had been
>dragging on for weeks! I never did find out how that all shook out
>because we were never in Muncie again.
>Leave it up to politicians to screw things up! And by the way...What
>ever happened to emineant domain? The railroad was there first wasn't it?
>Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62093 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Comet Blue
Hi Don

Try either Doug Peck or Ron Levento Hobby for the paint
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Keil
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Comet Blue



I am looking to repaint a comet diesel and would like to match the blue color.
Does amy one know what brand of paint and what number would match. I have a air
brush. Thanks

dlkeil@...





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62094 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
NEVER blown off by SHS. The issue is simply that for the price you pay,
the product SHOULD work at least an hour.
Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/30/2010 6:19:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rbubeck327@... writes:

No manufacturer is perfect. I have had to deal with the occasional
manufacturing defect and operational shortcoming of trains from AM and
SHS at my
own expense. I addressed the issues, moved on, and now enjoy those trains


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62095 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
I have been sending some of these emails to a O gauge friend who loves Lionel, as most O gaugers love Lionel. LOL

He is completely shock on how Lionel has not fixed this problem.

Mike

From: Wjzwjz@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 6:46 PM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Mike,

Wow! - I feel really bummed out......This is not how a responsible company should respond. Why even bother to make AF items if this is the attitude that they have. It almost guarantees that sales are not going to grow........

Well, the other S gauge manufacturers don't have to worry about competition from Lionel......

-- Bill Zide

"Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts"

In a message dated 11/30/2010 1:59:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes:


From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !


I discussed this with Mike Reagan in person at York a yr ago. Mike is a
heads up kinda guy. Admitted product was poorly made, BUT, he had no better
replacement, and THAT is part of the issue, they have NOTHING better, and
apparently no plans.. "O" IS LIONELS market, BTW, "S" is an
"accommodation", maybe


In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:33:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

A email from a O gauge friend on how Lionel responds quickly to a O gauge
issue.

Why are they not doing the same with the AF line.

Weird.

Mike

From: mailto:Wjzwjz%40aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 8:04 AM
To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Mike,

I am surprised that Lionel is not addressing the issue......Are you sure
that it is the case with current production or are you talking about 2-3
years ago?

Whenever an issue like this pops up on the O forums, Lionel is pretty
quick to respond or address it. I don't see why they would treat their AF line
any differently. It just doesn't make good business sense......

-- Bill Zide

"Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be
counted counts"

In a message dated 11/29/2010 3:19:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:
Bill,

These are current production, as this problem has been told to Lionel over
and over by many who buy AF Lionel products.

The problem is, and I am sorry that was not too clear for you, the trucks
fall apart on you many right out of the box.

I had that problem with a action car I got, to convert over to DCC. I
had to reglue the truck back together.

Mike

From: mailto:Wjzwjz%40aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 2:30 PM
To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Mike,

Arre you talking about current production AF trucks or the earlier version
of the Lionel AF trucks?

Current Lionel trucks for O gauge have more detail, are more to scale and
have less friction than the earlier O gauge trucks that Lionl manufactured
in the early modern era (1970+).

If current production, I'm surprised that Lionel would not have introduced
the same improvements that they have made for O gauge into their S gauge
line.......

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

-- Bill Zide

"Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be
counted counts"

In a message dated 11/29/2010 11:55:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:
LOL LOL LOL : Lionel junk.

They can not seem to get it right.

However, I do not buy Lionel products anymore for many reasons.

Why not just buy a original car in the first place, they are cheap enough.

Mike

From: clayton deich
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:26 AM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !

Doug is there a way you can send me a few photos of the new, but junk
trucks. I would like to see one, and come up with an idea to fix them. I'm
talking about the action trucks.

Clayton Milwaukie, OR

--- On Mon, 11/29/10, Doug Peck <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> wrote:

From: Doug Peck <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks still junk !
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 5:33 AM

The action pickup truck is the worst....really fragile......as on the

coal dump cars.

We've had these come in for repair multiple times, and the only good

solution is to pull both trucks off and replace them with original

Gilbert AF trucks.

Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

mailto:doug%40portlines.com

www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>

www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>

www.sgaugetrains.com

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62096 From: Donald Keil Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Comet Blue
thanks



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From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 6:59:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comet Blue


Hi Don

Try either Doug Peck or Ron Levento Hobby for the paint
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Keil
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Comet Blue

I am looking to repaint a comet diesel and would like to match the blue color.
Does amy one know what brand of paint and what number would match. I have a air
brush. Thanks

dlkeil@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62097 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Comet Blue
We have "Comet Blue" paint, and it is a dead-on perfect color match as
long as you consider that your original paint MAY have expereinced some
fading over the past 50-60 years.

It is one of about 30 such accurate color matches we carry.

However.......ONLY in spraycans........no bottles available for these
paints.



You'll find all the available colors listed on our homepage, as well as
in the AF PARTS catalog on the website.



<<<I am looking to repaint a comet diesel and would like to match the
blue color.
Does amy one know what brand of paint and what number would match. I
have a air
brush. Thanks>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62098 From: David Highfield Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Quiet zone in Virginia
No train horns are allowed in Ashland, Virginia where freight and
Amtrak traffic go right through the middle of town. Aside from that,
it's perfect for train watching because there are no barriers or
fences along the tracks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62099 From: Brady Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
<< Actually, I think post-war Lionel trains were engineered better than Gilbert trains were. I just dislike (strongly) the look of the trains and the 3-rail track. Always have. But they run like, well - Lionels!

Regards,
Timboy >>


Timboy,

Diesels are no contest, but I think steam is a draw.

For accessories I have to go with Flyer, at least for the coal and lumber accessories.

Lionel's 022 (0-31 path) switches are pretty bullet proof, but not especially smooth. The Lionel UCS (uncoupling) track works, but the control boxes are a problem. Better to have an uncoupler you can put on any track section.

Seriously though, if you want a train that'll still run while the wheels are falling off, run Marx :-)

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62100 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: R.R. Quiet zones
 Mike,
 You may have had the first of the quiet zones for railroad crossings but they
are springing up here in Wisconsin also. Same thought, what happens when there
is a fatality?

Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62101 From: Brady Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: AF Express Website and Mailbag Accessory
While doing a little late night web surfing I found these..apologies if I'm the last to know..

American Flyer Express - very nice web site

http://www.americanflyerexpress.com


The AF Express REA Mailbag Depot - great idea!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXPVE7982o


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62102 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Brady:

I find your familiarity with Lionel --------------- disturbing. Have you been sleeping with the enemy? LOL

Thanks for the A.E. link. Good 'un! I may just have to make a Mail Bag Station like that!

Regards,
Timboy, The Known Lionel Hater


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:

> Timboy,
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>
> Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62103 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Glad that no one has attacked IVES!  John "Love and run 'em all" Marganski























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62104 From: David Engle Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: R.R. Quiet zones
Quiet zones have existed on the CB&Q-BN-BNSF-Metra commuter lines since at least the 60s. DJE

----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Puls
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] R.R. Quiet zones



Mike,
You may have had the first of the quiet zones for railroad crossings but they
are springing up here in Wisconsin also. Same thought, what happens when there
is a fatality?

Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62105 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Hi John Isn't Eddie Anymore!

I don't know why anyone would "attack" Ives trains. IMHO, all of the pre-war classic toy trains are the most wondrous works of animated art ever created. I don't care how many rails the track has. The track is merely a conveyance for those fabulous brass and enamel pieces. And THIS is coming from a die-hard Flyer fan & Lionel post-war train hater. LOL

Regards,

Timboy: Full-Time Builder; Part-Time Ranter


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62106 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Two Raging Discussions: Track System & Lionel
Harry C Ives stood behind EVERY product he made. There are reports of
his replacing at no cost, toys and trains that were obviously destroyed by
misuse, NOT a manufacturing defect. Might be part of the reason IVES ended
up bankrupt, eventually owned by LIONEL.

Jim "I'm gonna figure out a way to run the broken product" Lyle


In a message dated 12/1/2010 9:39:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
druvnik@... writes:


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62107 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: AF Express Website and Mailbag Accessory
Brady,

Thanks for the link.

never heard of this website.

however, many of the photos of the engines are not the real thing.

21115, 21129, 21139.

Mike Marmer

From: Brady
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:11 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Express Website and Mailbag Accessory


While doing a little late night web surfing I found these..apologies if I'm the last to know..

American Flyer Express - very nice web site

http://www.americanflyerexpress.com

The AF Express REA Mailbag Depot - great idea!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXPVE7982o

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62108 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I had a tremendous build session this Wednesday morning and put in all of the scenery for the current section I'm building.

To follow my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62109 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings
Lionel has never blown me off, come to think of it. A touch of diplomacy
is always helpful when speaking over the phone. ;-)) If a new Lionel piece
fails within the warrantee period, they will replace/repair it when it is
returned to the warrantee repair center in Ohio. To imply otherwise is to
spread falsehoods. I know because they have "held my hand" a few times -- in
one instance with most complex model railroading product ever offered (the
Acela). They sent me boards for free when the piece has been way beyond
warrantee period, as was the case with my TMCC crane. And, so on.

I have had an SHS F-3 fail within an hour. It happens. SHS made good on
it, of course. But, in another instance, the only way that I was able to
rectify the shortcomings (the sounds, in particular) in my LocoMatic version of
my Consolidation to my satisfaction involved converting it to TMCC at a
cost of $200. Now, I love the engine. Sometimes, that's the way of it.

Speaking of faulty trucks, the worse I know of in S gauge are the plastic
ones on the AM heavyweights. Now THERE'S something that has been a well
known short coming for well over a decade and has never been rectified. That
was a problem I solved by putting them on my table at York at a fire sale
price.

Despite what one may think, it ain't all black and white.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 11/30/2010 9:03:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

NEVER blown off by SHS. The issue is simply that for the price you pay,
the product SHOULD work at least an hour.
Jim Lyle






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62110 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Link Couplers (was Lionel trucks still junk !)
<< NEWS BULLETIN.
Lionel to start using link couplers in its new 2012 train production. >>

U.S Produced link coupler production...now THAT would be something!


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62111 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
A few more points to ponder. While I am indeed grateful to Lionel for producing the Big Boy, assorted Mikes, heavyweights etc, I don't think it's unreasonable to not only expect items to work right out of the box but to continue to do so for a reasonable lenght of time. That is not narrowmindedness! Yes, no manufacturer is perfect, however the way they decide to address the problem says a lot about the company. I had one SHS product with an issue that was attended to very promptly with no hassles at all. I have had over 20% of new Lionel manufactured Flyer steam engines I purchased with issues from short circuits, no sound, parts falling off in the box and just plain not working. Lionel's response to my queries was to not respond. So far I have repaired some of these problems myself but why should I have to resort to that step? Lionel isn't exactly giving this stuff away at fire sale prices so why shouldn't we have a reasonable expectation for the
stuff to work? When I owned my gasoline service station and a job wasn't done correctly the tech responsible corrected it on his time and his dime...myself included. While it would cost me in the short term it would pay off in the long run to promote customer satisfaction and make employees more careful.  Lionel needs to listen to our "gripes" as we are not all so adept at repairing Flyer ourselves.
 
Bob Hendrickson


--- On Tue, 11/30/10, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote:


From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Rants and ravings.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 5:33 PM


 



Good grief. What price narrow mindedness?

This means none of the new heavyweights (the best of their kind in S
hi-rail), no Freedom Train set, no Chicago and Alton passenger set (a gorgeous
train!), no scale USRA Mikado, no scale USRA Pacific, and no "club" cars.
And, no scale Challenger in the near future. These trains are some of the
nicest S gauge out there and some of us surely would be the poorer for not
having them.

Bummer.

By the way, a friend and I both bought samples of the L-AF reissue of the
sheet metal No. 915 with the Renwal tank truck at York last month. They
were done beautifully (as a reproduction) and the power trucks are just fine.
I understand that some folks are having problems with the power trucks and
I am sorry to hear of it. However, after buying L-AF rolling stock
manufactured over three decades I have yet to buy one piece with a truck that fell
apart. How about some sense of proportion, boys and girls?

No manufacturer is perfect. I have had to deal with the occasional
manufacturing defect and operational shortcoming of trains from AM and SHS at my
own expense. I addressed the issues, moved on, and now enjoy those trains.
The few who habitually serial post rants here might do well to do the same.
;-)

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 11/30/2010 7:43:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

>>>

I do not buy Lionel AF products for the layout.

Mike

and,

I hate Lionel and therefore Flyonel........

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62112 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: American Models psgr trucks
----- Original Message -----
From: rbubeck327@...
. . . . . . . .Speaking of faulty trucks, the worse I know of in S gauge are
the plastic ones on the AM heavyweights. . . . . . . .That was a problem I
solved by putting them on my table at York at a fire sale price.
> > > > > > > > > > > .
You mean you sold the cars or just the trucks? If just the trucks, what did
you replace them with.?
tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 62113 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Link Couplers (was Lionel trucks still junk !)
I was only kidding

Mike
From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:50 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Link Couplers (was Lionel trucks still junk !)



<< NEWS BULLETIN.
Lionel to start using link couplers in its new 2012 train production. >>

U.S Produced link coupler production...now THAT would be something!

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62114 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
_Mreagan@..._ (mailto:Mreagan@...) , Mike is in charge of
"making things right", a monumental task if you ask me. The Sales guys are
just that, when they have the money, they lose interest REALLY fast.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/1/2010 3:02:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
canambob91710k@... writes:

I have had over 20% of new Lionel manufactured Flyer steam engines I
purchased with issues from short circuits, no sound, parts falling off in the
box and just plain not working. Lionel's response to my queries was to not
respond. So far I have repaired some of these problems myself but why should
I have to


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62115 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Rants and ravings
I have no disagreement with your expectations, Bob. After all, this is what
we all expect. Where one's credibility becomes strained is the claim of
"no response" from Lionel in regards to warrantee repairs, particularly since
Mike Reagan has taken things in hand. One calls up Lionel at their
number, obtains an RA, and then sends the defective unit to Ohio. The repair is
then returned with shipping included for the return.

This works for me.

E-mail responses to inquiries from Mike Reagan and colleagues is usually
quite prompt. One becomes a tad suspicious when the same few individuals
routinely post on this board and beat up on one company, while my own
experience indicates that all three major manufacturers are made up of good
well-intentioned people, but are subject to the occasional lapse. We're all human.
I've gotten into more "teeth pulling" with AM (over much fewer trains,
yet) than I have with Lionel. ;-)

As revealed by a non-scientific survey done on these boards roughly two
years ago, the new Mikado and Pacific were indicated to have very few problems
by those who responded. Given the complexity of these engines, that's
pretty remarkable. By the way, a 20% defective rate is considerably beyond my
personal experience with both conventional diesels and all steamers
(excluding the Northerns, of course, for which the problems were correctable on the
bench at home, but a major goof, nonetheless). In my experience, their
accessories and rolling stock have almost invariably been OK out of the box.

It might also be added (and I will) that Lionel is the only company at this
point in time doing stuff in S that really stretches the envelope. And,
stretching the envelope can incur some problems. The awakening of Lionel in
Flyer, however, is one of the more remarkable events going on in our hobby
-- and in the teeth of a recession, yet. While others are in hibernation,
Lionel is putting out new hi-tech locomotives on a fairly regular basis. The
proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but who else has model
engines such as the U33c and Challengers waiting in the wings loaded with so
many features for the operator?

Bob Bubeck


>>I don't think it's unreasonable to not only expect items to work right
out of the box but to continue to do so
for a reasonable length of time. That is not narrow mindedness! Yes, no
manufacturer is perfect, however the way they decide to address the problem
says a lot about the company. I had one SHS product with an issue that was
attended to very promptly with no hassles at all. I have had over 20% of new
Lionel
manufactured Flyer steam engines I purchased with issues from short
circuits,
no sound, parts falling off in the box and just plain not working.
Lionel's response to my queries was to not respond. <<

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62116 From: Larry Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Another question
Hi Folks,

AC or DC.... so both the transformer and the train must be AC or DC (they must agree). Does this have any bearing on whether or not you can use DCC?? Is the locomotive power signal independent of the the control method?

I'll have more question soon... thanks, Larry
Group: S-Trains Message: 62117 From: aztecfan Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Hobby Lobby Music Instrments
Group: S-Trains Message: 62118 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings
I have had nothing but positive experiences with L/AF over quality issues. These are: bad RS unit in a Flyer MP B unit- returned, fixed, and still working well. Turn around time was ten days- just before Christmas, and I DID have it to run around the tree. Lionel PRR Torpedo- motherboard died when engine was 4 years old. Lifetime warranty engine, turnaround time, 5 days. No further problems. Lionel Commodore Vanderbilt- thumbtack from coupler touched center rail with full ten car load. Motherboard and truck replaced, no cost. Turnaround time,15 days. MTH and SHS have a "not nearly as good" rating from me-in my experience. K-Line (the original) 100% perfect out-of the-box. Indeed, panning every product by a member raises the question of product bias. My Alton Limited set is absolutely up to spec and I totally enjoy running it-for two years in a row it was my S star at the Newport, VT train display that I put on every December, it very likely has 40
trouble-free hours of running time on it, with stops to replenish the smoke fluid being its only breaks. Lionel has resurrected AF in the last decade, rather than pay lip service to the name. if the nay-sayers have been Flyer lovers all their lives, why do they like the Gilbert (and that is to say, the so-called Gilbert product) from CA 1961 to the end of the company? Egads, that was some horrible junk. I have had the privilege to own and operate trains in Standard, 0 and S gauges covering 100 years of the hobby's history. There isn't a single manufacturer whose product rates a 100% bomb rating in my book- John Marganski

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote:

Where one's credibility becomes strained is the claim of

"no response" from Lionel in regards to warrantee repairs, particularly since

Mike Reagan has taken things in hand. One calls up Lionel at their

number, obtains an RA, and then sends the defective unit to Ohio. The repair is

then returned with shipping included for the return.



This works for me.


. One becomes a tad suspicious when the same few individuals

routinely post on this board and beat up on one company, while my own

experience indicates that all three major manufacturers are made up of good

well-intentioned people, but are subject to the occasional lapse. We're all human.

I've gotten into more "teeth pulling" with AM (over much fewer trains,

yet) than I have with Lionel. ;-)




It might also be added (and I will) that Lionel is the only company at this

point in time doing stuff in S that really stretches the envelope. And,

stretching the envelope can incur some problems. The awakening of Lionel in

Flyer, however, is one of the more remarkable events going on in our hobby

-- and in the teeth of a recession, yet. While others are in hibernation,

Lionel is putting out new hi-tech locomotives on a fairly regular basis. The

proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but who else has model

engines such as the U33c and Challengers waiting in the wings loaded with so

many features for the operator?



Bob Bubeck
































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Group: S-Trains Message: 62119 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: American Models psgr trucks
I sold the cars, Tom.

Bob Bubeck

>>>>>>>
You mean you sold the cars or just the trucks? If just the trucks, what did
you replace them with.?
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62120 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/1/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
Um, you call the Lionel Service number listed on the warranty card. Get, and wait for, the shipping authority number. Return the item. Wait a week or so. Attempting your own repairs on a new item is just plain foolish. You paid for the warranty protection, why don't you use it? Twenty percent faulty? Not in my experience. Once again, photos. I have 8 sets and over 100 pieces of rolling stock purchased new over the last 20 years. One warranty return, for a faulty RS unit in the MP RS B unit. One factory error, a Nickel Plate Road hopper that was stamped on one side only- I'm sitting on that one (ouch).- John Marganski
















 









 Mike is in charge of

"making things right", a monumental task if you ask me. The Sales guys are

just that, when they have the money, they lose interest REALLY fast.









I have had over 20% of new Lionel manufactured Flyer steam engines I

purchased with issues from short circuits, no sound, parts falling off in the

box and just plain not working. Lionel's response to my queries was to not

respond. So far I have repaired some of these problems myself but why should

I have to

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62121 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Rants and ravings.
No offence John, But photos? These are trains not an episode of CSI...I
think we can take each others word for what has happened. Mike


In a message dated 12/1/2010 4:34:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
druvnik@... writes:





Um, you call the Lionel Service number listed on the warranty card. Get,
and wait for, the shipping authority number. Return the item. Wait a week or
so. Attempting your own repairs on a new item is just plain foolish. You
paid for the warranty protection, why don't you use it? Twenty percent
faulty? Not in my experience. Once again, photos. I have 8 sets and over 100
pieces of rolling stock purchased new over the last 20 years. One warranty
return, for a faulty RS unit in the MP RS B unit. One factory error, a Nickel
Plate Road hopper that was stamped on one side only- I'm sitting on that one
(ouch).- John Marganski



Mike is in charge of

"making things right", a monumental task if you ask me. The Sales guys are


just that, when they have the money, they lose interest REALLY fast.

I have had over 20% of new Lionel manufactured Flyer steam engines I

purchased with issues from short circuits, no sound, parts falling off in
the

box and just plain not working. Lionel's response to my queries was to not

respond. So far I have repaired some of these problems myself but why
should

I have to

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62122 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
Not quite. Unless it is a synchronous motor - like a couple of
uncommon European ones from the 1950's. then AC will worlk on either
AC or DC - in fact they often work better on DC. But you cannot ever
run DC on AC. Alistair
On Thu 02/12/10 9:00 AM , "Larry" lmartin780@... sent:
Hi Folks,
AC or DC.... so both the transformer and the train must be AC or DC
(they must agree). Does this have any bearing on whether or not you
can use DCC?? Is the locomotive power signal independent of the the
control method?
I'll have more question soon... thanks, Larry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62123 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
Hi Larry,

The question is not as simple as it seems. From the power side,
everything we use starts with a transformer. That provides AC at a
voltage lower than found in the walls. If someone (us or the
manufacturer) adds a rectifier to the output, we get DC. All DCC systems
require some sort of power input - some AC and some DC - and then output
a modified AC with signaling information built into the pattern of the
voltage cycles.

Old American Flyer locos (and most other brands) used universal,
series-wound motors. These electric motors can operate on either AC or
DC. They use an extra component to reverse the direction.

Modern locos all use DC motors in the drive train with extra circuits to
take the AC from the tracks and rectify it. They also have a component
to allow reversing the direction.

How do they reverse direction? Once more, that depends n details in the
implementation. From a user's perspective, most modern production trains
can be thought of as AC-powered because those details are hidden from
normal operation. If you use a DCC decoder in the loco, it handles the
rectifying and direction stuff.

On my layout, I use external switch boxes to control whether I am
sending AC or DC to the tracks. I have some locos that use one or the
other or both to operate. I even have a couple of locos that use the
Dallee LocoMatic system for sounds and controls. That requires more
switches.

Do you want to run old locos?
Do you want to run modern production?
Do you want the operation features provided by a Command and Control
system? There are two types readily available: DCC with the industry
standard approach and TMCC from Lionel American Flyer. I also know of at
least one guy who has put MTH's DCS system into some S-Scale stuff.

Do you live near mid-America? The Spring S-Spree and Fall S-Fest are
significant train shows (in Ohio mostly and Illinois) where you can see
all of the choices in action.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Another question


Hi Folks,

AC or DC.... so both the transformer and the train must be AC or DC
(they must agree). Does this have any bearing on whether or not you can
use DCC?? Is the locomotive power signal independent of the the control
method?

I'll have more question soon... thanks, Larry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62124 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: American Models psgr trucks
Thanks for the forgotten memories of the AM passenger truck nightmares. I ended up repairing mine with plastruct braces and epoxy. Also, I would like to add something more about my Lionel experiences. I do not as yet have a permanent layout so some of my new purchases remain boxed and unrun for a year or more. When testing some of them on a temporary layout I noticed the problems and contacted Lionel. While the items were new and unused because I had waited so long after puechase they essentially didn't care. So I guess you need to test every new item right out of the box and not expect too much then either.
 
Bob Hendrickson


--- On Wed, 12/1/10, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote:


From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] American Models psgr trucks
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 7:21 PM


 



I sold the cars, Tom.

Bob Bubeck

>>>>>>>
You mean you sold the cars or just the trucks? If just the trucks, what did
you replace them with.?
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62125 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Another question
DCC is a DC based system as in N and HO. DCC is a standardized system by the NMRA and will work with any DC powered train. Track power is DC and the signal for control is AC.
AC requires a different system which operates the opposite of DCC with AC the track power and DC the signal. There is no standardized control system in S or O gauge. Each manufacturer offers their own proprietary system, with Lionel's TMCC being very popular for retrofitting. Since there is no standardized system, they are rather expensive compared to DCC.
DC requires no reverse unit, and you can also do yourself a favor and install a DC can motor as well. Your train will then be just like any other N or HO train to install DCC, it will just need higher power decoders.
When I returned to S gauge I went straight DC power, using SnS Trains can motors and an MRC 6200 DC pack. I run these trains all day long at Train Shows without problems. I had thought about DCC but don't have a layout big enough to make real use of it.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62126 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Flyonel Steam Loco Poll Results
Hi All,

I checked the poll I posted regarding members' experience with new Flyonel steam locos. Of the 56 members who voted, 18 (32%) reported no problems. The remaining 68% reported some type problem, from minor fit/finish problems to total dissatisfaction. That seems like a high "failure" rate to me. If you don't believe it, just check the poll results.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62127 From: Larry Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
Bump?? Anybody??

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Larry" <lmartin780@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> AC or DC.... so both the transformer and the train must be AC or DC (they must agree). Does this have any bearing on whether or not you can use DCC?? Is the locomotive power signal independent of the the control method?
>
> I'll have more question soon... thanks, Larry
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62128 From: s-nut Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: American Models transformer
from: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer club
Arlington, Texas

Just got one of their new transformers. It works great with sound loco's. I have the Pacifics and I like how the whistle sounds. Does anybody else have one. It has low speed that I like when starting up . It crawls just like the real thing. I will have it with me at our next train show in Plano on our club layout. I have it set up to make it easy to connect, so it will work. Just wanted to know if anyone else has one.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 62129 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Flyonel, AM and SHS Locomotives - My Experience
Hi All,

I have two Flyonel locomotives. My experience so far is:

6-48039 Docksider: (1) I had to replace the coupler centering "springs" to prevent derailing any rolling stock connected to the Docksider. This seems to be a common problem with the Docksider. (2) Unless I place a lot of weight in rolling stock, the smoke output from the Docksider is very weak. Again this seems to be a common problem. I am very disappointed in this locomotive.

6-48047 Northern: (1) During the first trip around the layout, the connecting "pin" on the linkage rod fell off. This required building a jig to reinstall the pin. (2) Installing the 9V battery in the tender is extremely difficult due to the tender screws being hidden under the trucks. Removing and reinstalling these screws requires a high degree of small muscle control and patience! With the exception of these two problems, I am very pleased with this locomotive.

I have three American Models locomotives and one SHS locomotive. I had an intemittent "sound" from one of the AM locomotives, but learned this is included in the sound effects. I've had no other issues with any of the AM or SHS locomotives.

I can only hope all of the "new generation" hold up over time as well as the original American Flyer has!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62130 From: s-nut Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: American Models transformer
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer club
Arlington, Texas

Just got my new transformer and was just wantng to know if anyone else had one. So far I like what it does. It has low speed control, whitch I love. The buttons for the whistle and bell are sticky on mine but they still work. I now have my sound equiped Pacific on my track and it sounds awsum. I will have it at our Plano Texas train show and have it hooked into our Layout.

thanks,
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 62131 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: For Sale
To the group, before E-Bay. Lot of 9 unopened packs of #808 Kadee couplers, Dark Tuscan with draft gear boxes, envelope states "two pair". $45.00 Shipped in US. Contact me off list if interested.
Thanks,

Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62132 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: Re: Another question
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
. . . . . . . . . . .Do you live near mid-America? The Spring S-Spree and
Fall S-Fest. . . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
Strange how many people will ask for help or ask a question and not say
where they're located. This man may live in the Fiji Islands or he may be
someone I say hello to when I walk the dog.

This group can be very useful & helpful, but so can local clubs and
individuals.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 62133 From: Scott Freeman Date: 12/2/2010
Subject: K-line boxes
Does anyone have any K-Line S-gauge freight car boxes they wish to sell?
Thanks Scott




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62134 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Flyer Billboards
FWIW..

http://www.ajtrains.com/



Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62135 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Tender trucks
Hello Group
I want to replace the tender trucks on a Flyer Northern. Is there an available
six wheel truck out there with power pickup on all wheels.
Thanks
Ray 




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62136 From: Jerry Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Models transformer
Hi Alan,

I have one of the new transformers too, and am very satisfied with it. It may not have the power of the large Gilbert ones, but it's a good performer. It has plenty of power for a train and lighted cars, and since my layout has separate power supplies for accessories, that's not a problem. I low speed control is indeed better than the Gilbert ones. But then, the old Gilbert motors took a LOT more power to run. They need at least 5V to get moving. As far as the whistle and bell buttons go, it seems there is a slight delay in the activation of the sounds, but nothing objectionable.

Jerry Poniatowski
Building a new layout in Wayne, MI


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s-nut" <adlbert1950@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Lone Star Flyer club
> Arlington, Texas
>
> Just got my new transformer and was just wanting to know if anyone else had one. So far I like what it does. It has low speed control, which I love. The buttons for the whistle and bell are sticky on mine but they still work. I now have my sound equiped Pacific on my track and it sounds awsum. I will have it at our Plano Texas train show and have it hooked into our Layout.
>
> thanks,
> Alan Lambert
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62137 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: About my DCC explanation:
I have recently learned that my explanation of DC/DCC is not accurate. DDC actually uses high frequency AC in it's operation.
Where I am confused comes from when we started selling DCC to N and HO gauge railroaders at the hobby shop. Originally you hooked up the DCC unit to your existing DC power pack. The DCC unit then did it's "magic" to make everything work.
In more recent years DCC systems include their own power source as part of the system, which works on AC. Therefore my information is incorrect and out of date.
Perhaps someone who is up to date on electronics and these different systems could post an explanation of how DCC, TMCC, etc. differ and how they actually work, for the education of all of us.
Stumpy Stone...old dog needing to learn some new tricks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62138 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Old trains vs. new trains
Bull Gator brings up a question that we have discussed before. Will today's toy trains survive as long as the ones made fifty years ago? I very much doubt that they will!
There are several reasons for my opinion. First, manufacturers today don't think the way we did fifty years ago. Led by the automakers' plan of "designed obsolence" to force you to buy new stuff regularly, nothing is made to last any more or to be repaired cheaply. A toaster we got when Cindy and I were married (1976)lasted over twenty years, it's replacement lasted eight, and we're already having trouble with the "new" one.
Second, the reliance on the fast changing world of electronics would likely doom any hope of long term survival. As soon as a new computer hits the store shelf, it's new replacement is already going into production! Electronics to operate toy trains are changing quickly too, and those folks with early sound and control systems in their trains already can't get replacement circuit boards.
Three, as we all know, the number of new people coming into the hobby is far below the numbers in the fifties. This leads me to believe that fifty years from now, few will care about old toy trains, so most will not survive the trash (oops, recycling) bin.
Four, the current economy will guarantee that production numbers will continue to fall and prices climb for the foreseeable future, so there will be fewer trains around TO survive fifty years from now.
However, since I won't be around fifty years from now either, I'm enjoying my rebuilt old Flyer trains right now!
Stumpy Stone...just an old guy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62139 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: About my DCC explanation:
Hi Stumpy,

I can help a little with DCC - probably more than enough to put most of
the folks on this list to sleep. The DCC standard
(http://www.nmra.org/standards/DCC/standards_rps/S-92-2004-07.pdf) uses
pulse-width modulation to send digital data. The digits are either a 1
or a 0 - Binary digIT or BIT. The value is determined by how long a
complete cycle takes. A short period is a 1 and a long period is a zero.
(BTW - the data on our mag stripe credit cards uses a similar method so
there is a lot of available theory information and supporting
technology).

A steady stream of 1's means there is no information on the line. When a
zero shows up, that is the notice that a message packet is on the way
and follows immediately. The contents of the packets are defined in the
standard. This sort of technique is a form on in-band signaling for
those who like to put information into categories.

The technique is reliable. It allows steady AC-like power for lights and
such. The packets contain information about which decoder is supposed to
use it and what the message says to do. Every loco with a decoder can
read its own commands and follow them. Every accessory with a decoder
can do the same.

To control the one loco on the tracks that does not need a decoder, the
cycles are modified a bit. Normal AC is a sine wave with equal parts
positive and negative. The signal on the DCC tracks does not have the
same shape (it has square shoulders instead of curvy ones within the
limits of the technology). It is OK to have most of the signal be
positive and just a little bit negative or vice versa. So, the lone loco
with no decoder gets a bumpy DC-like signal that is mostly positive or
mostly negative and the decoders can figure out the complete cycles even
though they are not symmetric.

There is more, but, that seems like enough yawning for now.

Someone else will have to discuss DCS and TMCC.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of mrstumpy50
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:45 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] About my DCC explanation:


I have recently learned that my explanation of DC/DCC is not accurate.
DDC actually uses high frequency AC in it's operation.
Where I am confused comes from when we started selling DCC to N and HO
gauge railroaders at the hobby shop. Originally you hooked up the DCC
unit to your existing DC power pack. The DCC unit then did it's "magic"
to make everything work.
In more recent years DCC systems include their own power source as part
of the system, which works on AC. Therefore my information is incorrect
and out of date.
Perhaps someone who is up to date on electronics and these different
systems could post an explanation of how DCC, TMCC, etc. differ and how
they actually work, for the education of all of us.
Stumpy Stone...old dog needing to learn some new tricks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62140 From: Brady Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: TMCC Info (was: About my DCC explanation)
<< Perhaps someone who is up to date on electronics and these different systems could post an explanation of how DCC, TMCC, etc. differ and how they actually work, for the education of all of us. >>

TMCC Info and an interactive demo

http://www.coilcouplers.com/tmc/tmc.html


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62141 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: Old trains vs. new trains
<< Bull Gator brings up a question that we have discussed before. Will today's toy trains survive as long as the ones made fifty years ago? I very much doubt that they will! >>

Stumpy,

Many will never make it out of the box so they'll be in mint condition in 50 years.

As for the electronics, forget about the manufacturers - if there's a market then someone will produce something that will allow people to run the trains. For example take MTH's Protosounds 1 and 2. Both are nice systems, but they require an odd type of battery. Two companies offer permanent replacement components for those batteries and one company claims they have 65,000 units in service. I have a couple and they work.

But let's say that the MTH electronics go bad. Dallee, Lionel and Williams sell electronic reverse units; Dallee and Williams sell sound boards. Electric RR Company sells TMCC and sound boards if I want command. O Gauge is their primary market, but many of these items will work for S

The mechanical stuff may be another story, but if part X fails on a large number of locos I'll bet someone will produce it. Would anyone have guessed in 1967 that Flyer parts would be available in 2010?


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62142 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC Info (was: About my DCC explanation)
Hi:
I have not knowledge of DCC, however, TMCC I believe is Lionels version of it.  The one thing I know is that TMCC appears to be better in that it can run conventional (the old fashioned way by varying the current to control the train) and it can run them by sending a digital signal.  But it can't do both at the same time.  It is either one or the other because with the digital signal full power is sent to the track 100% of the time with the digital signal telling the engine what to do.  If you run in the conventional mode you can run old as well as new engines.  If you run in command mode only the newer trains can be run that have the TMCC electronics installed.

Len



--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Brady <brady@...> wrote:

From: Brady <brady@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC Info (was: About my DCC explanation)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 8:46 AM







 











<< Perhaps someone who is up to date on electronics and these different systems could post an explanation of how DCC, TMCC, etc. differ and how they actually work, for the education of all of us. >>



TMCC Info and an interactive demo



http://www.coilcouplers.com/tmc/tmc.html



Brady Burdge

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62143 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: American Models transformer
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star flyer club
� Arlington, Texas

� Dear  Jerry,
I also use a separate transformer for my switches and accesories. I think you are right about the delay with the buttons.
� Thanks,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Jerry <poniaj@...> wrote:


From: Jerry <poniaj@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models transformer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 8:18 AM


 




Hi Alan,

I have one of the new transformers too, and am very satisfied with it. It may not have the power of the large Gilbert ones, but it's a good performer. It has plenty of power for a train and lighted cars, and since my layout has separate power supplies for accessories, that's not a problem. I low speed control is indeed better than the Gilbert ones. But then, the old Gilbert motors took a LOT more power to run. They need at least 5V to get moving. As far as the whistle and bell buttons go, it seems there is a slight delay in the activation of the sounds, but nothing objectionable.

Jerry Poniatowski
Building a new layout in Wayne, MI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s-nut" <adlbert1950@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Lone Star Flyer club
> Arlington, Texas
>
> Just got my new transformer and was just wanting to know if anyone else had one. So far I like what it does. It has low speed control, which I love. The buttons for the whistle and bell are sticky on mine but they still work. I now have my sound equiped Pacific on my track and it sounds awsum. I will have it at our Plano Texas train show and have it hooked into our Layout.
>
> thanks,
> Alan Lambert
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62144 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: Tender trucks
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Puls
Hello Group
I want to replace the tender trucks on a Flyer Northern. Is there an
available six wheel truck out there with power pickup on all wheels?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
Have a look at http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/wheels.html . They have
two different 6-wheel tender trucks.One is identified as K4 style. You
probably want the other, which I believe is called the Commonwealth type.

This may involve a bit of work in making bolsters, since I think the
ACGilbert standard and the current scale & highrail standard for the height
above the railhead where the top of the truck meets the bottom of the car
are different.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 62145 From: Timboy Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: About my DCC explanation:
Hi Everyone,

I have always skipped the egg-head explanations of DCC and have simply written colloquially that DCC is AC on steroids. IMHO, the BIG thing we should all keep in mind when pondering converting to DCC is that vibrating mat cars will not work. The pulsed AC in DCC is at a much higher freak than the 60 cycle/second conventional AC. The Guilford Station and Stock Yard will work if wired separately from the track voltage with a dedicated vintage transformer. So at least people and cattle can move around, but they cannot be loaded or unloaded. There IS a work-around, but it is a little dangerous and inconvenient. All the other action cars can be jerry-rigged to work marvelously off of DCC. I know because I did it many times when I was into DCC. Michael sent his action cars away for that rehab and I mention this just for all the new guys on this list to know that that can be done.

I hit a speed bump on my layout build. I ran out of wooden ties and gravel. It's time-consuming to plane down, rip, cross-cut and stain cedar 1X4's down into wooden ties. But I did that and now have a paper grocery bag full of them. My truck has been in the garage for the past two days, so I can't go out and harvest gravel to screen down, wash and dry. Anyway, there is always something else to be done and hopefully, I'll have an update to my layout-building blog sometime this week-end.

My vintage Flyer layout-building blog is at:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62146 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: 2 in 1 whistle question
I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is: there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62147 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC Info
You need to add a PowerMaster or a TPC to run conventional; by
themselves the TMCC Command Set (Or Legacy set) will only run command
equipped locos.

You can run both TMCC and conventional on the same track (I've done it)
but when you slow the conventional loco the TMCC loco will also slow down.

TMCC for command operation is easy to add to a 3-rail layout - one wire
and set the track power to about 18 volts. I've never used TMCC with
2-rail, perhaps someone can comment on that.

One thing to remember - if you're using a vintage transformer you'll
need to add some type of fast-acting circuit breaker.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62148 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Flyonel Steam Loco Poll Results
1. Ah, BG, pull out the L-AF Mikado and Pacific figures separately --
particularly the Pacific. Interestingly, these two did pretty well and they are
the most complex engines Lionel did for Flyer until the Big Boy.

2. There is a difference between "defect rate" and "failure rate", by the
way, and they may be defined differently by different and entirely honest
folk. I suspect that if one separates the follow on production runs of a
given engine from the first production run for any of the three big
manufacturers, one will often find the follow on runs more free of defects than for
the first run.

3. My personal defect rates for engines are: SHS = 66%, AM = 50% (which
includes one return for refund), and L-AF = 40% (the 2 Northerns with their
the smoke and chirp issues and a required repair of a Big Boy notably hurt
the rate for L-AF). These rates may include something simple like the
coupler return springs on the AF Docksides up to a self-derailing AM Northern.

I have never had an issue with SHS or L-AF rolling stock except for the
couplers. The couplers are not truly "Gilbert compatible" for either
manufacturer for different reasons. AM rolling stock has been OK, too, except for
their heavyweights.

So, you can see why I view the "Big Three" IMHO with a degree of equality.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 12/3/2010 5:38:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Hi All,

I checked the poll I posted regarding members' experience with new Flyonel
steam locos. Of the 56 members who voted, 18 (32%) reported no problems.
The remaining 68% reported some type problem, from minor fit/finish problems
to total dissatisfaction. That seems like a high "failure" rate to me. If
you don't believe it, just check the poll results.

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62149 From: Edward Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Ya ...the flywheel on the armature shaft is not spinning so no air is produced to make whistle noise ....Ta da
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote:
>
> I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is: there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem? Thanks.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62150 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
First thing I would check is to see if the impeller is firmly attached to the motor and if in fact it spins when the motor spins.


Mark Anderman





----- Original Message -----
From: "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2010 1:43:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 2 in 1 whistle question






I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is: there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem? Thanks.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62151 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Flyonel Steam Loco Poll Results
Bob,

We are referencing two different polls. I was refering to the Feb 6, 2008 poll that was specific to Lionel steam engines. You are refering to the Feb 8, 2008 poll that included Lionel, AM and SHS. I posted the Feb 8 poll because members complained that the Feb 6 poll was too restrictive.

Without getting into ISO and Six Sigma, I know there is a big difference in "failure rate" versus "defect rate", etc. That's why I used the quotation marks. Rather than parse words like the Clintons do so well, let's just say 32% of Lionel steam locomotive owners reported no problems and 68% reported some type problem in the Feb 6 poll.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote:
>
>
> 1. Ah, BG, pull out the L-AF Mikado and Pacific figures separately --
> particularly the Pacific. Interestingly, these two did pretty well and they are
> the most complex engines Lionel did for Flyer until the Big Boy.
>
> 2. There is a difference between "defect rate" and "failure rate", by the
> way, and they may be defined differently by different and entirely honest
> folk. I suspect that if one separates the follow on production runs of a
> given engine from the first production run for any of the three big
> manufacturers, one will often find the follow on runs more free of defects than for
> the first run.
>
> 3. My personal defect rates for engines are: SHS = 66%, AM = 50% (which
> includes one return for refund), and L-AF = 40% (the 2 Northerns with their
> the smoke and chirp issues and a required repair of a Big Boy notably hurt
> the rate for L-AF). These rates may include something simple like the
> coupler return springs on the AF Docksides up to a self-derailing AM Northern.
>
> I have never had an issue with SHS or L-AF rolling stock except for the
> couplers. The couplers are not truly "Gilbert compatible" for either
> manufacturer for different reasons. AM rolling stock has been OK, too, except for
> their heavyweights.
>
> So, you can see why I view the "Big Three" IMHO with a degree of equality.
>
> Bob Bubeck
>
>
> In a message dated 12/3/2010 5:38:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I checked the poll I posted regarding members' experience with new Flyonel
> steam locos. Of the 56 members who voted, 18 (32%) reported no problems.
> The remaining 68% reported some type problem, from minor fit/finish problems
> to total dissatisfaction. That seems like a high "failure" rate to me. If
> you don't believe it, just check the poll results.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62152 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
NO impeller blade left???

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/3/2010 2:02:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gettysburg@... writes:

I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate
the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is:
there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem?
Thanks.



------------------------------------

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62153 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/3/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
The armature is turning the correct direction...(checked it with another 2 in 1 which I have). The impeller is attached to the armature and turns freely and rapidly. That can be seen by looking into the unit as it is inverted. Just wondering what other ""part"" could be defective, or known to cause this.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote:
>
> I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is: there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem? Thanks.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62154 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
A weekend commuter run on the three-door central

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/19.jpg



Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62155 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Make sure you do not have a leak in the cover for the sound camber. Go around the edge of the chamber with a glue that will seal it.
Cliff

---- gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote:
>
> The armature is turning the correct direction...(checked it with another 2 in 1 which I have). The impeller is attached to the armature and turns freely and rapidly. That can be seen by looking into the unit as it is inverted. Just wondering what other ""part"" could be defective, or known to cause this.
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is: there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem? Thanks.
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62156 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: About my DCC explanation:
If you want a good "primer" on the use of DCC in "S", this is one of the
links from our website.......



http://www.mainerailroads.org/dcccorner.html



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62157 From: Monte Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Polls
Of course in any voluntary poll asking for satisfaction rate you are more likely to get a response from those having problems with the product. How many responses did you receive vs. number sold?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62158 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC info
I am using TMCC along with Legacy on a to rail AF layout and it is no more
difficult to wire than a three rail layout, the main difference would be
reversing loops. The wiring is explained and displayed on Carl Tuvesons' website
along with many examples of conversions. It is simple enough for me to
understand so I think anybody can catch on. I have found my Powermasters to
provide circuit protection.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62159 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel Steam Loco Results
Fair enough.

I chose, however, to cite the Feb. 8 poll because that one is the
statistically more valid and more revealing. Grouping the L-AF Northern (pretty
unsatisfactory -- except for the later MR's) with an entirely different
engine, the USRA Pacific (superb), is misleading. For what it is worth, the
second and more valid poll also comes closer to paralleling my personal
experiences.

As an aside, the confusion between "defect rate" and "failure rate" is
problematic because one is lumping things that are very simple to address with
others that are much more serious.

I guess we have beaten this to death. :-))

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 12/4/2010 6:08:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Without getting into ISO and Six Sigma, I know there is a big difference
in "failure rate" versus "defect rate", etc. That's why I used the quotation
marks. Rather than parse words like the Clintons do so well, let's just
say 32% of Lionel steam locomotive owners reported no problems and 68%
reported some type problem in the Feb 6 poll.

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62160 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: Polls
There was a rather lively discussion going on in the Group at the time the poll was posted. It was an attempt to "quantify" the Group's experience, nothing more - nothing less.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Monte" <monteheppe@...> wrote:
>
> Of course in any voluntary poll asking for satisfaction rate you are more likely to get a response from those having problems with the product. How many responses did you receive vs. number sold?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62161 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC info
<< I have found my Powermasters to
provide circuit protection.
Ray >>

Doesn't the cable have an in-line fuse?


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62162 From: Timboy Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

Done with the Stockyard Section! Up next is a corner section I'll call "Irwin's Farm".

To follow my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62163 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
If the motor shaft is rotating correctly, could the impeller have been put on the shaft the wrong way around during a previous repair attempt?

Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clifma19@...
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:52 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: gettysburg9
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 in 1 whistle question





Make sure you do not have a leak in the cover for the sound camber. Go around the edge of the chamber with a glue that will seal it.
Cliff

---- gettysburg9 <gettysburg@... <mailto:gettysburg%40verizon.net> > wrote:
>
> The armature is turning the correct direction...(checked it with another 2 in 1 which I have). The impeller is attached to the armature and turns freely and rapidly. That can be seen by looking into the unit as it is inverted. Just wondering what other ""part"" could be defective, or known to cause this.
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is: there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem? Thanks.
> >
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62164 From: Ben Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: erratic e-unit
I got my hand made S gauge Polar Express train on the tracks on Thanksgiving day- a tradition! It consists of a 283 (now "1225") plastic Pacific and tender, a 631 Gondola painted light blue and two 652s converted to Polar Express paint scheme...complete with Mrs. and Mr. Claus on the oversized observation deck with red grain of wheat bulb up top!

The e-unit in the loco gives me trouble. I even lock it in forward and just run the train, but the front set of metal wheels on the tender spark regularly- in blue- and it makes the train jerky in operation and leaves black arc spots on the rails. The wheels are clean- the track is clean- what else should I look for? I am considering removing the AC workings and replacing all with a DC can motor- this train is for operation, afterall.

Any suggestions welcomed!

Thanks! Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 62165 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: erratic e-unit
Hi Ben,
� Steel wheels on tenders will spark.  If have steel wheels on the tender change these to brass or copper.  If this 283 has been run a lot, the tender axles will wear thin decreasing the diameter of the axle and will give the wheel set more play and most likely cause it to arc.  A 283 tender should have copper wheels and knuckle coupler trucks. Please check these and see if this helps.
� Tom Seccia


--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:

From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] erratic e-unit
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:38 PM







 









I got my hand made S gauge Polar Express train on the tracks on Thanksgiving day- a tradition! It consists of a 283 (now "1225") plastic Pacific and tender, a 631 Gondola painted light blue and two 652s converted to Polar Express paint scheme...complete with Mrs. and Mr. Claus on the oversized observation deck with red grain of wheat bulb up top!



The e-unit in the loco gives me trouble. I even lock it in forward and just run the train, but the front set of metal wheels on the tender spark regularly- in blue- and it makes the train jerky in operation and leaves black arc spots on the rails. The wheels are clean- the track is clean- what else should I look for? I am considering removing the AC workings and replacing all with a DC can motor- this train is for operation, afterall.



Any suggestions welcomed!



Thanks! Ben

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62166 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Hi All,

I decided to do a quick survey on my "new" operating accessories. So far I have:

12 Lionel
4 MTH
2 K-Line

I have had the following issues:

One of the MTH (the operating gas station) did not work out-of-the-box. I paid shipping to MTH. They repaired it and shipped it back all at no charge.

Not really a problem but the Lionel 594 Track Gang came with only one "air hose" that is not connected on the jack hammer end. It would have been better if it came with two "air hoses" - each connected on both ends. It's only a piece of string so how expensive could that be? So not really a problem - just an observation.

So all in all I've had extremely good experiences with operating accessories! And of course the "old" AF operating accessories appear to be just like the AF engines - once cleaned and adjusted - bullet proof!!!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62167 From: rick gough Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - [S-Trains] erratic e-unit
Remove the tender shell and squirt down the barrel contact and the pins it runs on with Electrical Contact Cleaner [Radio Shack], spinning it as you do. Should improve.
Maybe the Tender truck needs some tweeking [bending] to get the brass wheels to sit nicely on the rail??

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:


From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
Subject: 06 - [S-Trains] erratic e-unit
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 2:35 PM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62168 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/4/2010
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle question
Check to make sure the whistle tubes are clear. Little critters like spiders have been known to crawl inside and build nests that block the air.


----- Original Message -----
From: "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2010 1:43:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 2 in 1 whistle question






I just received a 2 in 1 histle billboard, complete. Both buttons activate the whistle with no problem. The motor spins fast and free. Problem is: there is no whistle sound. Anyone know the cause of this problem? Thanks.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62169 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: TMCC info
Hi Brady, Yes the Powermaster does have an in line fuse but my Powermasters will
cycle off when a short is present.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62170 From: MikeS Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
Brady - As a fellow toy train enthusiast...WELL DONE!

Mike Spanier


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> A weekend commuter run on the three-door central
>
> http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/19.jpg
>
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62171 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I have begun a new section I call "Irwin's Farm". It is a corner section and will have part of a farm pasture in view. I am trying my hand at forced perspective on this section.

If you would like to take a peek and follow along, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62172 From: John M Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Question on operating cars
I caught an observation awhile back on TMCC or DCC operation that operating cars would not work on DC track. Got it. So, if I were to install a both rails isolated track or two in front of the accessory, (Guilford Station or Stockyard), and power that track from an AC transformer, could I then get the car to operate safely?
Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 62173 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: K-line boxes
Scott,
I've got 2 that my Heinz baked beans & ketchup box cars came in.
Excellent condition with styrafoam blocks inside.
Contact me at dmunseyjr@...

Don Munsey, Jr
UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

fmg


On 12/2/2010 9:44 PM, Scott Freeman wrote:
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> Does anyone have any K-Line S-gauge freight car boxes they wish to sell?
> Thanks Scott
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62174 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Lionel recognized this oversight, and supplied a free "upgrade" kit with
another "air hose" identical to the one on the unit.

These were available direct from Lionel, or from the dealer from whom
you purchased your unit.





<<Not really a problem but the Lionel 594 Track Gang came with only one
"air hose" that is not connected on the jack hammer end. It would have
been better if it came with two "air hoses" - each connected on both
ends. It's only a piece of string so how expensive could that be? So not
really a problem - just an observation.>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62175 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Timboy,

I am really impressed at both what you are doing and how much you are
getting done.

Too bad you don't have time to 'really' devote to the layout (fully
tongue in cheek for those who can't see my expression)

I never seem to have time AND money at the same time. When I have money
I am usually so busy I don't have time for the trains and when I have
time I'm usually out of money.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/5/2010 10:08 AM, Timboy wrote:
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> Hi Everyone!
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> I have begun a new section I call "Irwin's Farm". It is a corner
> section and will have part of a farm pasture in view. I am trying my
> hand at forced perspective on this section.
>
> If you would like to take a peek and follow along, please visit:
> http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62176 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Hi Mac:

I will go on record as saying, "Yes!" to your question.

Having committed myself, I would like to add that "safely" is a relative term. As you may know, I am currently building a 1950's-style vintage American Flyer hi-rail layout. Many of my AC Gilbert operating accessories will be located right along the main track; not on a siding somewhere. Someday, I may choose to convert to DCC. If I do, I will still want the Guilford Station and Stock Yard to operate - along with their associated cars. To do that, I would wire the accessories to a dedicated conventional AC transformer. I would insulate both rails on both ends of a single section of straight track beside the accessory. It is extremely important that that single straight section of track becomes totally electrically isolated from all the rest of all the other tracks. Then I would use a DPDT/center off toggle switch. One direction would supply DCC current to that section so the loco can drive through it. When the loco is clear of the isolated section of track but the action car is spotted on the accessory, I would throw the toggle switch to the other direction and supply that single section of track with conventional AC and operate the car through a control button. When finished, the toggle switch MUST be thrown back to DCC!!! At no time should any other pick-up trucks be allowed to bridge that single section while it is being supplied with AC! Is that safe? I'll let you be the judge. Is it child-proof? NO! So I would make sure I knew just who was intending to operate that given accessory and in my case, 100% of the time it would be me.

Best of luck to you! Hope this helps.

Anyone else care to weigh in on this?

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I caught an observation awhile back on TMCC or DCC operation that operating cars would not work on DC track. Got it. So, if I were to install a both rails isolated track or two in front of the accessory, (Guilford Station or Stockyard), and power that track from an AC transformer, could I then get the car to operate safely?
> Mac
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62177 From: May Cunningham Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
Cheers to you Brady, looks nice.  How big is you layout and do you have a track plan?

--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:


From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
To:
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 7:23 AM


 





A weekend commuter run on the three-door central

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/19.jpg

Brady Burdge










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Group: S-Trains Message: 62178 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Time, money and... space. The ceiling level railroad is nice for running trains around the loops, But I envy those who can have a layout with real scenery, and don't need a stepstool to put their trains on the rails.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
>
> I never seem to have time AND money at the same time. When I have money
> I am usually so busy I don't have time for the trains and when I have
> time I'm usually out of money.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62179 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
My first Alco chassis is rebushed, thanks to guidance from the Barker book and Portlines online clinic. Everything is squeaky clean and spinning freely.

Upon reassembly I find that it is impossible to center the field. The aramature bearings are not worn. But the brass retainer on the brush side will not hold the bearing tightly enough.

Any advice and remedies from those who have run into this problem before? I was thinking a drop of solder in the cup of that brass retainer might help.

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 62180 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
If I understand this correctly, you want to isolate a section of track and
switch from DC to AC power only while operating certain accessories.
Instead of using a DPDT toggle switch (which relies on being manually set to
the proper position by the operator), I would suggest using a relay. The
button controlling the accessory operates the relay, so switching of the
power occurs only when the accessory is being activated. The relay will
automatically switch the power back when the accessory button is released.
By using a commonly available four-pole relay, one could add warning lights,
disable power to other sections of track, etc. as needed. A suitable 4-pole
double-throw (form C) relay can be had for about $10 to $20.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Timboy
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:30 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars





Hi Mac:

I will go on record as saying, "Yes!" to your question.

Having committed myself, I would like to add that "safely" is a relative
term. As you may know, I am currently building a 1950's-style vintage
American Flyer hi-rail layout. Many of my AC Gilbert operating accessories
will be located right along the main track; not on a siding somewhere.
Someday, I may choose to convert to DCC. If I do, I will still want the
Guilford Station and Stock Yard to operate - along with their associated
cars. To do that, I would wire the accessories to a dedicated conventional
AC transformer. I would insulate both rails on both ends of a single section
of straight track beside the accessory. It is extremely important that that
single straight section of track becomes totally electrically isolated from
all the rest of all the other tracks. Then I would use a DPDT/center off
toggle switch. One direction would supply DCC current to that section so the
loco can drive through it. When the loco is clear of the isolated section of
track but the action car is spotted on the accessory, I would throw the
toggle switch to the other direction and supply that single section of track
with conventional AC and operate the car through a control button. When
finished, the toggle switch MUST be thrown back to DCC!!! At no time should
any other pick-up trucks be allowed to bridge that single section while it
is being supplied with AC! Is that safe? I'll let you be the judge. Is it
child-proof? NO! So I would make sure I knew just who was intending to
operate that given accessory and in my case, 100% of the time it would be
me.

Best of luck to you! Hope this helps.

Anyone else care to weigh in on this?

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
M" <macflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I caught an observation awhile back on TMCC or DCC operation that
operating cars would not work on DC track. Got it. So, if I were to install
a both rails isolated track or two in front of the accessory, (Guilford
Station or Stockyard), and power that track from an AC transformer, could I
then get the car to operate safely?
> Mac
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62181 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Hi Jerry:
That's outstanding!  You really sweetened up the concept.  Nicely done!
Regards,Timboy

--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:

From: Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 4:00 PM
















 









If I understand this correctly, you want to isolate a section of track and

switch from DC to AC power only while operating certain accessories.

Instead of using a DPDT toggle switch (which relies on being manually set to

the proper position by the operator), I would suggest using a relay. The

button controlling the accessory operates the relay, so switching of the

power occurs only when the accessory is being activated. The relay will

automatically switch the power back when the accessory button is released.

By using a commonly available four-pole relay, one could add warning lights,

disable power to other sections of track, etc. as needed. A suitable 4-pole

double-throw (form C) relay can be had for about $10 to $20.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Timboy

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:30 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars



Hi Mac:



I will go on record as saying, "Yes!" to your question.



Having committed myself, I would like to add that "safely" is a relative

term. As you may know, I am currently building a 1950's-style vintage

American Flyer hi-rail layout. Many of my AC Gilbert operating accessories

will be located right along the main track; not on a siding somewhere.

Someday, I may choose to convert to DCC. If I do, I will still want the

Guilford Station and Stock Yard to operate - along with their associated

cars. To do that, I would wire the accessories to a dedicated conventional

AC transformer. I would insulate both rails on both ends of a single section

of straight track beside the accessory. It is extremely important that that

single straight section of track becomes totally electrically isolated from

all the rest of all the other tracks. Then I would use a DPDT/center off

toggle switch. One direction would supply DCC current to that section so the

loco can drive through it. When the loco is clear of the isolated section of

track but the action car is spotted on the accessory, I would throw the

toggle switch to the other direction and supply that single section of track

with conventional AC and operate the car through a control button. When

finished, the toggle switch MUST be thrown back to DCC!!! At no time should

any other pick-up trucks be allowed to bridge that single section while it

is being supplied with AC! Is that safe? I'll let you be the judge. Is it

child-proof? NO! So I would make sure I knew just who was intending to

operate that given accessory and in my case, 100% of the time it would be

me.



Best of luck to you! Hope this helps.



Anyone else care to weigh in on this?



Regards,

Timboy



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "John

M" <macflyer@...> wrote:

>

> I caught an observation awhile back on TMCC or DCC operation that

operating cars would not work on DC track. Got it. So, if I were to install

a both rails isolated track or two in front of the accessory, (Guilford

Station or Stockyard), and power that track from an AC transformer, could I

then get the car to operate safely?

> Mac

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62182 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Tim,

If you're calling the bearing strap the"brass retainer", the most common
problem is that the screw holes are stripped out and you can't tighten
down the strap enough to hold the bearing in place. The cure for that
is a little longer screw. That should fix the problem.

Daryl




On 12/5/2010 3:07 PM, tbennerohio wrote:
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> My first Alco chassis is rebushed, thanks to guidance from the Barker
> book and Portlines online clinic. Everything is squeaky clean and
> spinning freely.
>
> Upon reassembly I find that it is impossible to center the field. The
> aramature bearings are not worn. But the brass retainer on the brush
> side will not hold the bearing tightly enough.
>
> Any advice and remedies from those who have run into this problem
> before? I was thinking a drop of solder in the cup of that brass
> retainer might help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>


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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/5/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62184 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Jerry:

It also occurred to me that one could use a cheap one-function decoder embedded under the accessory somewhere. The relay could then be energized by using that decoder via the hand-held throttle. Unfortunately, it is very common for said accessories to require the help from the big hand in the sky, so it may not be practical in a lot of cases with the vibrating mat cars & accessories. Still, if the operator has one that is pretty darn reliable, then it is an option to take this concept to it's ultimate height.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tim Brown <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry:
> That's outstanding!  You really sweetened up the concept.  Nicely done!
> Regards,Timboy
>
> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> From: Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...>
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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> Instead of using a DPDT toggle switch (which relies on being manually set to
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> the proper position by the operator), I would suggest using a relay. The
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> button controlling the accessory operates the relay, so switching of the
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> power occurs only when the accessory is being activated. The relay will
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> automatically switch the power back when the accessory button is released.
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> By using a commonly available four-pole relay, one could add warning lights,
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> disable power to other sections of track, etc. as needed. A suitable 4-pole
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> double-throw (form C) relay can be had for about $10 to $20.
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> Jerry F.
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> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
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> Of Timboy
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> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:30 AM
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars
>
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>
> Hi Mac:
>
>
>
> I will go on record as saying, "Yes!" to your question.
>
>
>
> Having committed myself, I would like to add that "safely" is a relative
>
> term. As you may know, I am currently building a 1950's-style vintage
>
> American Flyer hi-rail layout. Many of my AC Gilbert operating accessories
>
> will be located right along the main track; not on a siding somewhere.
>
> Someday, I may choose to convert to DCC. If I do, I will still want the
>
> Guilford Station and Stock Yard to operate - along with their associated
>
> cars. To do that, I would wire the accessories to a dedicated conventional
>
> AC transformer. I would insulate both rails on both ends of a single section
>
> of straight track beside the accessory. It is extremely important that that
>
> single straight section of track becomes totally electrically isolated from
>
> all the rest of all the other tracks. Then I would use a DPDT/center off
>
> toggle switch. One direction would supply DCC current to that section so the
>
> loco can drive through it. When the loco is clear of the isolated section of
>
> track but the action car is spotted on the accessory, I would throw the
>
> toggle switch to the other direction and supply that single section of track
>
> with conventional AC and operate the car through a control button. When
>
> finished, the toggle switch MUST be thrown back to DCC!!! At no time should
>
> any other pick-up trucks be allowed to bridge that single section while it
>
> is being supplied with AC! Is that safe? I'll let you be the judge. Is it
>
> child-proof? NO! So I would make sure I knew just who was intending to
>
> operate that given accessory and in my case, 100% of the time it would be
>
> me.
>
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>
> Best of luck to you! Hope this helps.
>
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>
> Anyone else care to weigh in on this?
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>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
>
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>
> a both rails isolated track or two in front of the accessory, (Guilford
>
> Station or Stockyard), and power that track from an AC transformer, could I
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62185 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Yep, I had the perfect place for a nice sized layout when we moved here
but then my son lost his job when we had to close our restaurant and he
moved into my train room and workshop in my basement. Now just have to
find a place to move when I get back to work so he can stay here and I
can have a real workshop and train room.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/5/2010 2:57 PM, tbennerohio wrote:
>
> Time, money and... space. The ceiling level railroad is nice for
> running trains around the loops, But I envy those who can have a
> layout with real scenery, and don't need a stepstool to put their
> trains on the rails.
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
> >
> > I never seem to have time AND money at the same time. When I have money
> > I am usually so busy I don't have time for the trains and when I have
> > time I'm usually out of money.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62186 From: Tom Detmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Doug, are these upgrade kits still available? I purchased the
accessories from Charles Ro Supply but was not aware of the upgrade kit,
either through Charles Ro or from Lionel.

Tom Detmer

On 12/5/2010 7:38 AM, Doug Peck wrote:
>
> Lionel recognized this oversight, and supplied a free "upgrade" kit with
> another "air hose" identical to the one on the unit.
>
> These were available direct from Lionel, or from the dealer from whom
> you purchased your unit.
>
> <<Not really a problem but the Lionel 594 Track Gang came with only one
> "air hose" that is not connected on the jack hammer end. It would have
> been better if it came with two "air hoses" - each connected on both
> ends. It's only a piece of string so how expensive could that be? So not
> really a problem - just an observation.>>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>
> www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
> www.sgaugetrains.com
> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62187 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Flyonel Trucks - My Experience
Hi All,

I spent several hours going through all 52 of my Flyonel rolling stock checking each truck. Most of these are still in their boxes and some have never been opened until today. I did not find any truck problems. So that leaves me with the one truck on the NTTM tank car that fell off several months ago when first removed from the box. A dab of epoxy took care of that one. So one side rail out of 104 - less than 1%.

Based on my experience, I don't believe anyone has to be concerned about a large number of Flyonel trucks falling apart right out of the box.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62188 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Thanks, everyone.

The longer screws did it. I really appreciate how fast you all answered!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> If you're calling the bearing strap the"brass retainer", the most common
> problem is that the screw holes are stripped out and you can't tighten
> down the strap enough to hold the bearing in place. The cure for that
> is a little longer screw. That should fix the problem.
>
> Daryl
Group: S-Trains Message: 62189 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: K-line boxes
Aw Gee, I've thrown away lots of them...
Steve


In a message dated 12/5/2010 9:13:32 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dmunseyjr@... writes:




Scott,
I've got 2 that my Heinz baked beans & ketchup box cars came in.
Excellent condition with styrafoam blocks inside.
Contact me at _dmunseyjr@..._ (mailto:dmunseyjr@...)

Don Munsey, Jr
UpperRightCorner of Louisiana

fmg

On 12/2/2010 9:44 PM, Scott Freeman wrote:
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> Does anyone have any K-Line S-gauge freight car boxes they wish to sell?
> Thanks Scott
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62190 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
The only operating accessories that don't work on DCC are the vibrating
type. Stock yard, cattle loading car, Brakeman car, Guilford station, etc.

Steve


In a message dated 12/5/2010 9:10:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
macflyer@... writes:




I caught an observation awhile back on TMCC or DCC operation that operating
cars would not work on DC track. Got it. So, if I were to install a both
rails isolated track or two in front of the accessory, (Guilford Station or
Stockyard), and power that track from an AC transformer, could I then get
the car to operate safely?
Mac





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62191 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Track Gang Upgrade
Hi All.

I sent an email to Lionel customer service to get information on the track gang upgrade. I'll post their response - if I get one!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62192 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Thanks, everyone.

The longer screws did the trick. Runs like new!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> If you're calling the bearing strap the"brass retainer", the most common
> problem is that the screw holes are stripped out and you can't tighten
> down the strap enough to hold the bearing in place. The cure for that
> is a little longer screw. That should fix the problem.
>
> Daryl
>
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>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62193 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
As someone who had 5 cars, two engines converted over to DCC by Steve, they work very well on the track.

Action cars are neat.

The only thing you might have to do it put in a cooler bulb in the action cars, as that light will stay on all the time.

Not sure if the normal bulb used in those cars will melt the plastic being on all the time.

Plenty of light.

Speaking of the re-make of the track gang, this is the first I heard about the missing air hose, as that tells you how well I know that accessory, as it is fine for me.

but I did email Lionel about this, if the additional hose was available.

I will let you know what reply I get, as they do reply.

Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62194 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
I too never heard of this nor realized it. LOL

I emailed Lionel about this.

I will let you all know what they say.

Mike

From: Tom Detmer
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:24 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience


Doug, are these upgrade kits still available? I purchased the
accessories from Charles Ro Supply but was not aware of the upgrade kit,
either through Charles Ro or from Lionel.

Tom Detmer

On 12/5/2010 7:38 AM, Doug Peck wrote:
>
> Lionel recognized this oversight, and supplied a free "upgrade" kit with
> another "air hose" identical to the one on the unit.
>
> These were available direct from Lionel, or from the dealer from whom
> you purchased your unit.
>
> <<Not really a problem but the Lionel 594 Track Gang came with only one
> "air hose" that is not connected on the jack hammer end. It would have
> been better if it came with two "air hoses" - each connected on both
> ends. It's only a piece of string so how expensive could that be? So not
> really a problem - just an observation.>>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> mailto:doug%40portlines.com <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>
> www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
> www.sgaugetrains.com
> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
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>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62195 From: Ben Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: S-Helper woes...
I have a nice SW-9 (?) locomotive by S-Helper. It is in Pennsy livery. I bought it at an auction. It ran fine for a long while. Now it grinds a bit on the turns and seems to "slip." It is not the wheels slipping- but I suspect a faulty gear or gear box or universal joint.

Has anyone had similar problems with S-Helper locomotives? Any ideas what this could be? Fixable?

Thanks! Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 62196 From: Ben Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: erratic e-unit
Tom-

She had copper wheels. I shined them up, but I kept going back to the fiber insulator and washer that insulates the rivet through the loco trailing truck/tender connection. It felt very loose, and had obviously been worked on in the past. I ground the rivet out, and though the insulator and insulated washer looked fine, I replaced them and the rivet. I made sure to tap it with the hammer extra tight.

All is well. I guess there was an erratic short in there somewhere. Thanks for your input!

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
>   Steel wheels on tenders will spark.  If have steel wheels on the tender change these to brass or copper.  If this 283 has been run a lot, the tender axles will wear thin decreasing the diameter of the axle and will give the wheel set more play and most likely cause it to arc.  A 283 tender should have copper wheels and knuckle coupler trucks. Please check these and see if this helps.
>   Tom Seccia
>
>
> --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] erratic e-unit
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:38 PM
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> I got my hand made S gauge Polar Express train on the tracks on Thanksgiving day- a tradition! It consists of a 283 (now "1225") plastic Pacific and tender, a 631 Gondola painted light blue and two 652s converted to Polar Express paint scheme...complete with Mrs. and Mr. Claus on the oversized observation deck with red grain of wheat bulb up top!
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> The e-unit in the loco gives me trouble. I even lock it in forward and just run the train, but the front set of metal wheels on the tender spark regularly- in blue- and it makes the train jerky in operation and leaves black arc spots on the rails. The wheels are clean- the track is clean- what else should I look for? I am considering removing the AC workings and replacing all with a DC can motor- this train is for operation, afterall.
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> Thanks! Ben
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62197 From: Ben Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Track Gang Upgrade
What is possible with this upgrade? I have not heard of it.

Thanks! Ben




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All.
>
> I sent an email to Lionel customer service to get information on the track gang upgrade. I'll post their response - if I get one!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62198 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: AF Alco chassis reassembly advice needed.
Try using S-183 screws instead of S-171.

Screwholes may be stripped, and S-183 are longer.

If that doesn't work, fill the screwholes with JB Weld, let it harden,
and then tap/drive new screws down into it.



<<<But the brass retainer on the brush side will not hold the bearing
tightly enough.
Any advice and remedies from those who have run into this problem
before? I was thinking a drop of solder in the cup of that brass
retainer might help.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62199 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Who knows?

Doesn't hurt to inquire.

I received enough to furnish one to each of the customers who bought a
TG from me.

But that was 2-3 years ago!



<<Doug, are these upgrade kits still available? I purchased the
accessories from Charles Ro Supply but was not aware of the upgrade kit,

either through Charles Ro or from Lionel.>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62200 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Thanks everyone. We'll have cows and passengers going in circles real soon.
:-) Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 62201 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Again, I sent a email to Lionel.
never notice it was missing, so if they don’t have any more “hoses” I can live without it.

But now, it will be like a ear worm, song in your head, when I see it every time. I will now know it is missing a air hose. LOL

Heck, I think that would be a easy fix with some rubber hose attached to it.

replace the one on it too, so they match.

Mike

From: Doug Peck
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience


Who knows?

Doesn't hurt to inquire.

I received enough to furnish one to each of the customers who bought a
TG from me.

But that was 2-3 years ago!

<<Doug, are these upgrade kits still available? I purchased the
accessories from Charles Ro Supply but was not aware of the upgrade kit,

either through Charles Ro or from Lionel.>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
mailto:doug%40portlines.com
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62202 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Timboy,



With all the electronics available today, there is no limit to what can be
accomplished with a handful of integrated circuits and a bit of knowledge.
Modern components notwithstanding, I often still prefer to solve some
problems using older technology. Relays are perfectly capable of performing
the standard logic functions, are not too expensive, and they can withstand
temporary overloads and other faults that would fry an IC in a heartbeat.
Then again, it would take a whole train-full of relays plus a lot of wire to
decode every accessory on a moderate sized layout.



Have fun,



Jerry





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Timboy
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 3:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars





Jerry:

It also occurred to me that one could use a cheap one-function decoder
embedded under the accessory somewhere. The relay could then be energized by
using that decoder via the hand-held throttle. Unfortunately, it is very
common for said accessories to require the help from the big hand in the
sky, so it may not be practical in a lot of cases with the vibrating mat
cars & accessories. Still, if the operator has one that is pretty darn
reliable, then it is an option to take this concept to it's ultimate height.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
Brown <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry:
> That's outstanding! Â You really sweetened up the concept. Â Nicely done!
> Regards,Timboy
>
> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> From: Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...>
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 4:00 PM
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> If I understand this correctly, you want to isolate a section of track and
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> switch from DC to AC power only while operating certain accessories.
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> Instead of using a DPDT toggle switch (which relies on being manually set
to
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> the proper position by the operator), I would suggest using a relay. The
>
> button controlling the accessory operates the relay, so switching of the
>
> power occurs only when the accessory is being activated. The relay will
>
> automatically switch the power back when the accessory button is released.
>
> By using a commonly available four-pole relay, one could add warning
lights,
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> disable power to other sections of track, etc. as needed. A suitable
4-pole
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> double-throw (form C) relay can be had for about $10 to $20.
>
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>
> Jerry F.
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
>
> Of Timboy
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:30 AM
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars
>
>
>
> Hi Mac:
>
>
>
> I will go on record as saying, "Yes!" to your question.
>
>
>
> Having committed myself, I would like to add that "safely" is a relative
>
> term. As you may know, I am currently building a 1950's-style vintage
>
> American Flyer hi-rail layout. Many of my AC Gilbert operating accessories
>
> will be located right along the main track; not on a siding somewhere.
>
> Someday, I may choose to convert to DCC. If I do, I will still want the
>
> Guilford Station and Stock Yard to operate - along with their associated
>
> cars. To do that, I would wire the accessories to a dedicated conventional
>
> AC transformer. I would insulate both rails on both ends of a single
section
>
> of straight track beside the accessory. It is extremely important that
that
>
> single straight section of track becomes totally electrically isolated
from
>
> all the rest of all the other tracks. Then I would use a DPDT/center off
>
> toggle switch. One direction would supply DCC current to that section so
the
>
> loco can drive through it. When the loco is clear of the isolated section
of
>
> track but the action car is spotted on the accessory, I would throw the
>
> toggle switch to the other direction and supply that single section of
track
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> with conventional AC and operate the car through a control button. When
>
> finished, the toggle switch MUST be thrown back to DCC!!! At no time
should
>
> any other pick-up trucks be allowed to bridge that single section while it
>
> is being supplied with AC! Is that safe? I'll let you be the judge. Is it
>
> child-proof? NO! So I would make sure I knew just who was intending to
>
> operate that given accessory and in my case, 100% of the time it would be
>
> me.
>
>
>
> Best of luck to you! Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Anyone else care to weigh in on this?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Timboy
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
>
> M" <macflyer@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I caught an observation awhile back on TMCC or DCC operation that
>
> operating cars would not work on DC track. Got it. So, if I were to
install
>
> a both rails isolated track or two in front of the accessory, (Guilford
>
> Station or Stockyard), and power that track from an AC transformer, could
I
>
> then get the car to operate safely?
>
> > Mac
>
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62203 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Track Gang "Repair" Link
Hi All,

Here is a link to the track gang "hose" replacement:

http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6955_AFtrackgangfix.pdf

I'm awaiting a response from Lionel on the availability of the repair kit.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62204 From: Tom Detmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: New Operating Accessories - My Experience
Doug, thanks for the response. I wrote Lionel to see what they have to
say about this. I let everyone on this group know the outcome.

Tom

On 12/5/2010 8:04 PM, Doug Peck wrote:
>
> Who knows?
>
> Doesn't hurt to inquire.
>
> I received enough to furnish one to each of the customers who bought a
> TG from me.
>
> But that was 2-3 years ago!
>
> <<Doug, are these upgrade kits still available? I purchased the
> accessories from Charles Ro Supply but was not aware of the upgrade kit,
>
> either through Charles Ro or from Lionel.>>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62205 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: S-Helper woes...
Have you lubricated the engine. There are specific instructions on
lubricating the gear towers.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/5/2010 8:43:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lbstiles@... writes:

I have a nice SW-9 (?) locomotive by S-Helper. It is in Pennsy livery. I
bought it at an auction. It ran fine for a long while. Now it grinds a bit
on the turns and seems to "slip." It is not the wheels slipping- but I
suspect a faulty gear or gear box or universal joint.

Has anyone had similar problems with S-Helper locomotives? Any ideas what
this could be? Fixable?

Thanks! Ben



------------------------------------

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at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62206 From: downtowndeco Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Ever wanted to be a kit manufacturer?
As I make room for some new projects I have a few more sets of HO Scale molds & masters I wouldn't mind selling to the right buyer. If you've ever wanted to have a go at manufacturing structure kits this is your opportunity to get your foot in the door. Contact me off list for complete details.

Randy Pepprock
Downtown Deco
downtowndeco@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62207 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Flyonel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc)
This weekend, I encountered my first problem with a Lionel AF action car truck
broken as shipped in the box. I sold a new-in-the-box unopened 6-49824 Loading
Platform with Operating Boxcar to a customer on Saturday. He returned to the
show on Sunday and fortunately I had another one left for sale to replace it. He
checked this one, again previously unopened, and this was was okay.

Since people have been begging for pictures, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1271488360/pic/list%c2%a0to see a
picture out of the box and a closeup. [If the link does not work, find the AF
Action Car Truck Problem fo lder in the Yahoo Groups pictures for S-Trains] In
the closeup you can see the reason for the problem. So much material was removed
to allow for the action car arm, that the sideframe is only held on by two small
pins. Since I have 8 other action car items for sale at shows, I checked each
one of them. All of the others are okay. However, a failure rate of 1 in 10 in
the box still seems unreasonably high--especially when Lionel knows there is a
problem with this action car truck.

Speaking of problems, I find most of the Lionel AF accessories to be quite good
with 2 notable exceptions. First, the sawmill jams (as did the Gilbert version)
but because a nylon gear was used instead of the steel one used by Gilbert, this
gear is easily stripped.


Second, the Track Gang accessory is an all-around joke. Besides only providing
one hose, the accessory is assembled and wired wrong. It is supposed to function
by having the tamper men at rest away from the track. When the accessory is
energized, these men are supposed to move out towards the tracks and begin
vibrating, simulating tamping the track. However, if you check your out, the men
are at rest by the tracks and, when energized, move away from the tracks and
begin vibrating (tamping)--at least that is how mine works

Joe
Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center####################
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 62208 From: Timboy Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

This morning I got the area covered over with hard-shell and "oatmeal". Tomorrow, I'll get at it with the paints and ground covers. While I'm at it, I'll do a "how-to" with pics and details for anyone who may be interested in my "vegetation mats". I think it is a worthy technique.

To see my progress today, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

OBTW, I couldn't agree more with the dilemma of time VS. money VS. space!

Regards,

Timboy
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Time, money and... space. The ceiling level railroad is nice for running trains around the loops, But I envy those who can have a layout with real scenery, and don't need a stepstool to put their trains on the rails.
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@> wrote:
> >
> > I never seem to have time AND money at the same time. When I have money
> > I am usually so busy I don't have time for the trains and when I have
> > time I'm usually out of money.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62209 From: alguckes2001 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Video
When stuff was made in the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3uyWRkoX4o


Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 62210 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc.)
In looking at Joe’s Picture, that is exactly what happen to my Operating box car.

Mike

From: Joseph Haenn
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:45 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc)


This weekend, I encountered my first problem with a Lionel AF action car truck
broken as shipped in the box. I sold a new-in-the-box unopened 6-49824 Loading
Platform with Operating Boxcar to a customer on Saturday. He returned to the
show on Sunday and fortunately I had another one left for sale to replace it. He
checked this one, again previously unopened, and this was was okay.

Since people have been begging for pictures, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1271488360/pic/list to see a
picture out of the box and a closeup. [If the link does not work, find the AF
Action Car Truck Problem fo lder in the Yahoo Groups pictures for S-Trains] In
the closeup you can see the reason for the problem. So much material was removed
to allow for the action car arm, that the sideframe is only held on by two small
pins. Since I have 8 other action car items for sale at shows, I checked each
one of them. All of the others are okay. However, a failure rate of 1 in 10 in
the box still seems unreasonably high--especially when Lionel knows there is a
problem with this action car truck.

Speaking of problems, I find most of the Lionel AF accessories to be quite good
with 2 notable exceptions. First, the sawmill jams (as did the Gilbert version)
but because a nylon gear was used instead of the steel one used by Gilbert, this
gear is easily stripped.

Second, the Track Gang accessory is an all-around joke. Besides only providing
one hose, the accessory is assembled and wired wrong. It is supposed to function
by having the tamper men at rest away from the track. When the accessory is
energized, these men are supposed to move out towards the tracks and begin
vibrating, simulating tamping the track. However, if you check your out, the men
are at rest by the tracks and, when energized, move away from the tracks and
begin vibrating (tamping)--at least that is how mine works

Joe
Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center####################
....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers....
American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
mailto:joestrainrepair%40yahoo.com.###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62211 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc.)
That is the one car I had a truck break on me.

Glue took care of it, can’t see it, runs fine.

I don’t buy Lionel Product over all, so I can not say from my experience if this is a problem over all.

But I heard those who have had many problems with these trucks.

Mike
From: Joseph Haenn
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:45 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc)


This weekend, I encountered my first problem with a Lionel AF action car truck
broken as shipped in the box. I sold a new-in-the-box unopened 6-49824 Loading
Platform with Operating Boxcar to a customer on Saturday. He returned to the
show on Sunday and fortunately I had another one left for sale to replace it. He
checked this one, again previously unopened, and this was was okay.

Since people have been begging for pictures, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1271488360/pic/list to see a
picture out of the box and a closeup. [If the link does not work, find the AF
Action Car Truck Problem fo lder in the Yahoo Groups pictures for S-Trains] In
the closeup you can see the reason for the problem. So much material was removed
to allow for the action car arm, that the sideframe is only held on by two small
pins. Since I have 8 other action car items for sale at shows, I checked each
one of them. All of the others are okay. However, a failure rate of 1 in 10 in
the box still seems unreasonably high--especially when Lionel knows there is a
problem with this action car truck.

Speaking of problems, I find most of the Lionel AF accessories to be quite good
with 2 notable exceptions. First, the sawmill jams (as did the Gilbert version)
but because a nylon gear was used instead of the steel one used by Gilbert, this
gear is easily stripped.

Second, the Track Gang accessory is an all-around joke. Besides only providing
one hose, the accessory is assembled and wired wrong. It is supposed to function
by having the tamper men at rest away from the track. When the accessory is
energized, these men are supposed to move out towards the tracks and begin
vibrating, simulating tamping the track. However, if you check your out, the men
are at rest by the tracks and, when energized, move away from the tracks and
begin vibrating (tamping)--at least that is how mine works

Joe
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62212 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Need Paypal help
This is not a bashing of Paypal; I just need help. I've read a lot here about how bad Paypal is and I've just chuckled; it's been no trouble for me. Suddently my account is locked up and I'm not chuckling anymore.

Briefly, It won't let me in because of some kind of security check, and when I go to the Help function it seems ready to give me a phone number or e-mail address to contact them -- but it says I have to log in first, which it won't let me do. I'm back to square zero.

This is S - relevant. I need to send money to a certain UK supplier for some S gauge trackwork. Help?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62213 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
You need to call and talk to them and it may not be quick.

This happened to me a while back when someone tried to use my paypal
account to make a purchase and send to a different address than my
mailing address.

Paypal caught the problem and locked my account until I could verify my
ID and the proper address.

I don't consider this to be a problem but a benefit of Paypal security.
If not for their security someone would have charged a new stove to my
account.

It was a little painful and time consuming but better than having
someone clean out my account

C

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/6/2010 1:10 PM, Tom Hawley wrote:
>
> This is not a bashing of Paypal; I just need help. I've read a lot
> here about how bad Paypal is and I've just chuckled; it's been no
> trouble for me. Suddently my account is locked up and I'm not
> chuckling anymore.
>
> Briefly, It won't let me in because of some kind of security check,
> and when I go to the Help function it seems ready to give me a phone
> number or e-mail address to contact them -- but it says I have to log
> in first, which it won't let me do. I'm back to square zero.
>
> This is S - relevant. I need to send money to a certain UK supplier
> for some S gauge trackwork. Help?
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62214 From: Bob Groh Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
I agree with the other gentleman - do not hesitate to give them a call asap.
Probably there has been a mixup or an outright attempt to hijack your
account. In either case, you need to call them, verify who you are and get
them to reset your password. We had that happen in the past and I came up
with a very long, convoluted and random password on the next go! I bit of a
pain when you log in (i.e. to have to enter in this long, it makes no sense
password) but that is the price you pay for today's world.

Bob Groh


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62215 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
Here is their # 1-888-221-1161...Mike


In a message dated 12/6/2010 10:16:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
t.hawley@... writes:




This is not a bashing of Paypal; I just need help. I've read a lot here
about how bad Paypal is and I've just chuckled; it's been no trouble for me.
Suddently my account is locked up and I'm not chuckling anymore.

Briefly, It won't let me in because of some kind of security check, and
when I go to the Help function it seems ready to give me a phone number or
e-mail address to contact them -- but it says I have to log in first, which it
won't let me do. I'm back to square zero.

This is S - relevant. I need to send money to a certain UK supplier for
some S gauge trackwork. Help?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62216 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Flyonel Woes (Action Car Trucks, etc)
The Chinese children making these things aren't good with wiring diagrams.
For years they reverse wired the fans in smoke units. Since "Quality
Control" is the check clearing, they slipped thru all the time.
Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle



In a message dated 12/6/2010 12:54:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
joestrainrepair@... writes:

However, if you check your out, the men
are at rest by the tracks and, when energized, move away from the tracks
and
begin vibrating (tamping)--at least that is how mine works




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62217 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Fw: Truck damage
From a O gauge friend who is really into Lionel Trains.

Mike

From: Joseph Lechner
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 3:40 PM
To: 'Michael & Linda Marmer'
Subject: RE: Truck damage

Sad. Are those PLASTIC truck frames?



Low-end Lionel 0 gauge cars come with a plastic-frame truck that collectors call the “ASF” truck – I once knew what ASF stood for but I forget. The bolster, side frames and coupler are a single plastic molding. I have never seen one break. I have tested half a dozen of these and they are by far the freest-rolling truck available in 0 gauge 3-rail. They out-perform the sprung die-cast truck on Lionel’s more expensive cars, and they far outshine anything from MTH or Atlas.



Joseph H. Lechner


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62218 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Need PayPal Help
Definately call them! And get the number from the PayPal site, not from an e-mail! Besides, you can talk directly to a human (eventually)and get things sorted out faster.
Two of my slot car racing friends have recently gotten bogus e-mails saying their account had been tampered with and asking for information. They called PayPal and were told PayPal had not sent the e-mails! Scammers love e-mail, so be careful!
I had trouble with PayPal when they started up many years ago and quit them. But I have been buying online with PayPal again for about three years now with no problems.
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62219 From: Rhett George Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: About the 4-10-10-2
- GreetingS -

To those who were offended by the destruction by several AF locos to
render an easy build of that strange loco I extend my condolences.

Apparently no one remarked about the two horizontal pipes on the boiler
skyline. They were there to permit steam to flow from the rear section
to the front and vice versa. A hinge of sorts allowed the locomotive
to negotiate near normal radii of curvature. For reference, see the
AT & SF #3000. There was an accordion-like section between the two
pieces of boiler to get the hot gases from firebox to stack. Unfortu-
nately the hot gases contained particulate which got into the folds
of this boiler hinge and eventually broke open this hinge. I believe
the #3000 was rebuilt into two 2-10-2's. But that notion would permit
a hinge for overly long locos to negotiate AF curved trackage.

What? Build a 4-6-6-6-2 with a boiler having two hinges? Nosir, not
me.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 62220 From: Herbert Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
That warning message from "paypal" sounds like a phishing attempt. They want your username/password. I get these from ebay, paypal, banks (even those where I have no account). Report to spoof@.... NEVER give your password in answer to an email request.
Herb Wasserma

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Definately call them! And get the number from the PayPal site, not from an e-mail! Besides, you can talk directly to a human (eventually)and get things sorted out faster.
> Two of my slot car racing friends have recently gotten bogus e-mails saying their account had been tampered with and asking for information. They called PayPal and were told PayPal had not sent the e-mails! Scammers love e-mail, so be careful!
> I had trouble with PayPal when they started up many years ago and quit them. But I have been buying online with PayPal again for about three years now with no problems.
> Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62221 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
The # I supplied 888 221-1161 is from their site, Mike


In a message dated 12/6/2010 2:13:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:




Definately call them! And get the number from the PayPal site, not from an
e-mail! Besides, you can talk directly to a human (eventually)and get
things sorted out faster.
Two of my slot car racing friends have recently gotten bogus e-mails
saying their account had been tampered with and asking for information. They
called PayPal and were told PayPal had not sent the e-mails! Scammers love
e-mail, so be careful!
I had trouble with PayPal when they started up many years ago and quit
them. But I have been buying online with PayPal again for about three years
now with no problems.
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62222 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Lionel Email Response
Hi All,

I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62223 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
I automatically delete all unsolicited emails allegedly from PayPal.
Alistair
On Tue 07/12/10 8:00 AM , "Herbert" hwass@... sent:
That warning message from "paypal" sounds like a phishing attempt.
They want your username/password. I get these from ebay, paypal,
banks (even those where I have no account). Report to
spoof@... [1]. NEVER give your password in answer to an email
request.
Herb Wasserma
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2], "mrstumpy50" wrote:
>
> Definately call them! And get the number from the PayPal site, not
from an e-mail! Besides, you can talk directly to a human
(eventually)and get things sorted out faster.
> Two of my slot car racing friends have recently gotten bogus
e-mails saying their account had been tampered with and asking for
information. They called PayPal and were told PayPal had not sent the
e-mails! Scammers love e-mail, so be careful!
> I had trouble with PayPal when they started up many years ago and
quit them. But I have been buying online with PayPal again for about
three years now with no problems.
> Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62224 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
If you get an email that you aren't sure of or are sure is a scam - forward it
without modification to spoof@.... If it is real, they will gently let
you know and if it isn't - they go after the source. I have to say once I have
reported a bogus item to spoof, I have never received another item from that
source.

Bill Drake

PS spoof@... works for anything related to ebay in the same manner.




________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 3:37:32 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Need PayPal Help

 
Definately call them! And get the number from the PayPal site, not from an
e-mail! Besides, you can talk directly to a human (eventually)and get things
sorted out faster.
Two of my slot car racing friends have recently gotten bogus e-mails saying
their account had been tampered with and asking for information. They called
PayPal and were told PayPal had not sent the e-mails! Scammers love e-mail, so
be careful!
I had trouble with PayPal when they started up many years ago and quit them. But
I have been buying online with PayPal again for about three years now with no
problems.
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62225 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
I have to agree with Herb, as I just went on Pay Pal to check it out, went on fine.

Use that toll free number Tom.

Mike

From: Herbert
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Need PayPal Help


That warning message from "paypal" sounds like a phishing attempt. They want your username/password. I get these from ebay, paypal, banks (even those where I have no account). Report to mailto:spoof%40paypal.com. NEVER give your password in answer to an email request.
Herb Wasserma

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Definately call them! And get the number from the PayPal site, not from an e-mail! Besides, you can talk directly to a human (eventually)and get things sorted out faster.
> Two of my slot car racing friends have recently gotten bogus e-mails saying their account had been tampered with and asking for information. They called PayPal and were told PayPal had not sent the e-mails! Scammers love e-mail, so be careful!
> I had trouble with PayPal when they started up many years ago and quit them. But I have been buying online with PayPal again for about three years now with no problems.
> Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62226 From: Brady Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: A pike-sized passenger train you can model..
<< Cheers to you Brady, looks nice.  How big is you layout and do you have a track plan? >>

Hi,

The layout is 8' x 6' 6". It's three hollow-core doors secured to two 8' log sawhorses. Inexpensive, quick and strong.

The track plan is just two concentric ovals, the inside oval has a pair of manual switches to provide a passing siding. Nothing fancy.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62227 From: Brady Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
<< I caught an observation awhile back on TMCC or DCC operation that operating cars would not work on DC track. Got it. >>

I've only I would presume that an SC-2 (Switch and accessory controller) would be used to control Flyer operating cars on TMCC equipped layout.

In my O gauge days I used the TMCC SC-2 to operate both track switches and accessories; the ability to operate accessories and activate switches (and pre-programmed switch routes) from anywhere in the room is neat.

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62228 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Dave,

Give them a few days, as this is a busy time for them, due to Christmas,etc. they will answer, as I have emailed them before.

I too, emailed them about this, as you and I flooded them with emails. LOL

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 7:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Email Response


Hi All,

I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62229 From: grant bishop Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
One thing I found out lately.

We hard a few hundred in a paypal account but when we transferred it over to
our bank account it took 3 days for them to do it.

We thought since it was in our account and nothing bounced or went wrong we
could get it faster than 3 days in this 'internet speed world'.

They really milk it for every penny. Other than that it's less of a pain
than a MO or rubber check



Grant Bishop

^--^ ( WOOF! )
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62230 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Need PayPal Help
If it does not have your name on the email, it is not from Pay Pal Ebay or anyone else.

Real emails will address you by name.

Alistair, I think you are in Australia?

Well, I just learned last week I have roots in Australia.

You could be a far distance part of the relatives? Probably not, but I thought I would let you know.

Mike

From: alizoo@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 7:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Need PayPal Help


I automatically delete all unsolicited emails allegedly from PayPal.
Alistair
On Tue 07/12/10 8:00 AM , "Herbert" mailto:hwass%40hotmail.com sent:
That warning message from "paypal" sounds like a phishing attempt.
They want your username/password. I get these from ebay, paypal,
banks (even those where I have no account). Report to
mailto:spoof%40paypal.com [1]. NEVER give your password in answer to an email
request.
Herb Wasserma
--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2], "mrstumpy50" wrote:
>
> Definately call them! And get the number from the PayPal site, not
from an e-mail! Besides, you can talk directly to a human
(eventually)and get things sorted out faster.
> Two of my slot car racing friends have recently gotten bogus
e-mails saying their account had been tampered with and asking for
information. They called PayPal and were told PayPal had not sent the
e-mails! Scammers love e-mail, so be careful!
> I had trouble with PayPal when they started up many years ago and
quit them. But I have been buying online with PayPal again for about
three years now with no problems.
> Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62231 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Track Gang
Okay I looked at my track gang imbedded in my layout and I see the two men with jack hammers have no hose to the compressor. Could be like air guitar, but air air hose? Sorry could not resist.

I think a easy fix is getting some black rubber windshield washer tubing which I have hooking it up to the hammer and the compressor.

What is the string to the air compressor suppose to be that is lying flat on the green top with a know. A air hose?

I thought it was to be use to pull the compressor back to a pretend truck. LOL

Again, this is a simple fix, as I think a black hose would look better than some string from Lionel.

Just my opinion.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62232 From: trainnut2us Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Choke for Locomatic
Has anyone converted a SHS caboose to allow full use of Locomatic?
I have obtained the choke and have the caboose open but the Dallee instructions are vague, and the SHS caboose is 8 wheel pickup, and with least 3 circuit boards in the caboose.
Where did you cut into the wires from the trucks and what rerouting was nessary?
Also are there any pictures of the nessary changes available?
Thanks for any help,
Jim Siverling
Group: S-Trains Message: 62233 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Track Gang
That sounds a bit big. I can strip about 12-14" of # 12 or #14 wire for
you, if you like. Mike
PS: or you might try #16 black stranded wire

In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:40:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Okay I looked at my track gang imbedded in my layout and I see the two men
with jack hammers have no hose to the compressor. Could be like air guitar,
but air air hose? Sorry could not resist.

I think a easy fix is getting some black rubber windshield washer tubing
which I have hooking it up to the hammer and the compressor.

What is the string to the air compressor suppose to be that is lying flat
on the green top with a know. A air hose?

I thought it was to be use to pull the compressor back to a pretend truck.
LOL

Again, this is a simple fix, as I think a black hose would look better
than some string from Lionel.

Just my opinion.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62234 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Track Gang
Mike,

You are probably right, as I just realized the men are going to move back and forth with this rubber hose.

I appreciate your offer, as now you might get many request. LOL

I will get back to you on this.

GO DUCKS!

Mike in non Duck land, but Terp land.

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:45 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track Gang


That sounds a bit big. I can strip about 12-14" of # 12 or #14 wire for
you, if you like. Mike
PS: or you might try #16 black stranded wire

In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:40:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Okay I looked at my track gang imbedded in my layout and I see the two men
with jack hammers have no hose to the compressor. Could be like air guitar,
but air air hose? Sorry could not resist.

I think a easy fix is getting some black rubber windshield washer tubing
which I have hooking it up to the hammer and the compressor.

What is the string to the air compressor suppose to be that is lying flat
on the green top with a know. A air hose?

I thought it was to be use to pull the compressor back to a pretend truck.
LOL

Again, this is a simple fix, as I think a black hose would look better
than some string from Lionel.

Just my opinion.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62235 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/6/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Why not use four inches of twine from your kitchen drawer. ;-))

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Hi All,

I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track
gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62236 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Fw: Shop with confidence this holiday season with PayPal Purchase Pr
Shop with confidence this holiday season with PayPal Purchase ProtectionThis is a real pay pal email, as it has my name on the message.
A fake message would not address you by name.
Mike
From: PayPal
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:46 PM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Shop with confidence this holiday season with PayPal Purchase Protection

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62237 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
yup, good idea.

Mike

From: rbubeck327@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:02 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Email Response




Why not use four inches of twine from your kitchen drawer. ;-))

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes:

Hi All,

I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track
gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62238 From: aztecfan Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: New M2's
Group: S-Trains Message: 62239 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
Okay this is not S, but I thought it might be okay to post here.

Very well done ad.

Mike Marmer

From: jlechner2001
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:22 AM
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] cute TV commercial with Lionel trains


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd105L2cKnI&feature=related

Prototype scenes are on the Fillmore & Western Railway in California. F&W frequently appears in movies and TV shows when the script calls for a train. The town of Fillmore was founded in 1888 by Jerome A. Fillmore, General Superintendent of the Southern Pacific.

Has anyone seen this ad on TV ?

Joseph Lechner





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62240 From: Jerry Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Bob, et al.,

Even if you meant it as a joke, I actually found some twine that matches the "hose" almost exactly. Since I'm not a collector of boxes, or a stickler for originality (on most things), I can live with it, and it looks quite good!

Jerry Poniatowski
Hibernating in Wayne, MI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Why not use four inches of twine from your kitchen drawer. ;-))
>
> Bob Bubeck
>
>
> In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track
> gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62241 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I finished fiddling around the my forced - forced perspective. LOL I posted a bunch of pics from different angles, so I'll let you be the judge. It is what it is. LOL

To see my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62242 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Fw: My Lionel Question
heard from Lionel as I knew they would reply.

The part is available for 3 dollars.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: TALK TOUS
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:04 AM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Re: My Lionel Question

Michael,
If this is the part you are referring to, it is available for purchase here;
https://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?setID=&productID=&doAction=partFilter&q=6409808070&match=2&submitButton=Search

Thank you,
Lionel Talk To us

>>> <mlmarmer@...> 12/5/2010 6:23 PM >>>

From:
Michael C Marmer
20461 Afternoon Lane
Germantown MD 20874
301-540-4145
mlmarmer@...

Product Number: N/A



Club Membership Number: N/A

Question:
I have a Lionel reproduction of the American Flyer Track gang. I am told
there is a kit to add another air hose to one of the jack hammers on it.
Is this still available. Thank you.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62243 From: sgaugian Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Choke for Locomatic
The whole thing of having to put a choke in any car that draws power in order to help Locomatic mode engines pulling them perform well is a pain. I've ended up now with an absolute minimum number of Locomatic mode engines (converted the rest to TMCC with sounds) and relegated those with it strictly to freight duty (no illuminated passenger cars in tow) and even then I installed an external on/off switch for lighting on each of the cabeese I use with them.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62244 From: race944t Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Ashland, Va.
Ahhh, Ashland, Va. That's the place I got my love of trains. My grandmother used to live on the tracks at the far north end and I would run from her house to the tracks when I heard trains coming. She ultimately moved farther away but by then I could ride my bicycle to town and watch all day. I used to pleed with my mother to make sure my bike would fit in the station wagon when we would go visit. Man, the RF&P used to run a lot of trains back then.

"Banker" Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, David Highfield <davidhighmd@...> wrote:
>
> No train horns are allowed in Ashland, Virginia where freight and
> Amtrak traffic go right through the middle of town. Aside from that,
> it's perfect for train watching because there are no barriers or
> fences along the tracks.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62245 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Kitten vs. Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLcjMzWNb-g&NR=1

A good O gauge friend sent me this. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62246 From: tgrebo Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: american flyer 785 coal loader
can any one help with what the three buttons on the controller are used for? bought one without instruction sheets and trying to get operating for christmas. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks tomg
Group: S-Trains Message: 62247 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
How I know the problem - unlike my kitchen drawer, Lionel's kitchen drawer ran out of twine!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Why not use four inches of twine from your kitchen drawer. ;-))
>
> Bob Bubeck
>
>
> In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track
> gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62248 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
If they did put the twine on all these units, it would of cause even more financial issues for Lionel.

Rim shot.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:03 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Email Response


How I know the problem - unlike my kitchen drawer, Lionel's kitchen drawer ran out of twine!

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Why not use four inches of twine from your kitchen drawer. ;-))
>
> Bob Bubeck
>
>
> In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track
> gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62249 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Hmmmm...... I may have to check them out in Target!

Rick




> http://www.m2machines.com/products.php?id=36&pid=40&subid=186
>
> _


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62250 From: David Haslauer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Need Paypal help
It's just like a check, it has to clear through the "Clearing House Bank" which
moves money between banking institutions.

 



________________________________
From: grant bishop <gwbishop@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 7:11:24 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Need Paypal help

 


One thing I found out lately.

We hard a few hundred in a paypal account but when we transferred it over to
our bank account it took 3 days for them to do it.

We thought since it was in our account and nothing bounced or went wrong we
could get it faster than 3 days in this 'internet speed world'.

They really milk it for every penny. Other than that it's less of a pain
than a MO or rubber check

Grant Bishop

^--^ ( WOOF! )
(o o)------- ^
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62251 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Choke for Locomatic
Please excuse my ignorance, but why is a choke needed in a caboose when running
with Locomatic?

Mike Andrzejewski
Group: S-Trains Message: 62252 From: Tom Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Center button operates the clamshell green and red go up and down doe
not matter which button goes up or down


For a great Florida Vacation click here
mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com


-----Original Message-----
From: tgrebo <tgrebo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 8:25 am
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader




can any one help with what the three buttons on the controller are used
for? bought one without instruction sheets and trying to get operating
for christmas. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks tomg
Group: S-Trains Message: 62253 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: My Lionel Question
Hi Mike,

I took a look at the replacement "kit" on Lionel's website. Now I'm thinking about going into the parts business. If I can get $3 (plus who knows how much they charge for shipping) for less than a foot of twine I'll be rich in no time!!!!!!!! I'll even throw in the knot for free - lol.

Seriously - I'm thinking some wire insulation like the other Mike suggested will be much better than the twine. The only problem will be getting small enough wire to look "right". I've used wire insulation in my oil depot for tank car loading/unloading hoses and it looks pretty good. Bear in mind that most oil unloading hoses are either 3" or 4" diameter while air hose will be either 3/4" or 1" diameter. Based on my extensive experience with compressed air hoses in construction and chemical plants, most air hose is either a somewhat faded red or black. Also note that air hose is typically pretty stiff so maybe using insulated wire without removing the wire will be the best looking air hose. And maybe place a couple of coils in it close to the compressor. And don't forget a little gray paint at each end of the hose to simulate the Chicago fittings. Details - details - lol. I'll have to experiment some to see what looks best.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> heard from Lionel as I knew they would reply.
>
> The part is available for 3 dollars.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TALK TOUS
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:04 AM
> To: mlmarmer@...
> Subject: Re: My Lionel Question
>
> Michael,
> If this is the part you are referring to, it is available for purchase here;
> https://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?setID=&productID=&doAction=partFilter&q=6409808070&match=2&submitButton=Search
>
> Thank you,
> Lionel Talk To us
>
> >>> <mlmarmer@...> 12/5/2010 6:23 PM >>>
>
> From:
> Michael C Marmer
> 20461 Afternoon Lane
> Germantown MD 20874
> 301-540-4145
> mlmarmer@...
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> I have a Lionel reproduction of the American Flyer Track gang. I am told
> there is a kit to add another air hose to one of the jack hammers on it.
> Is this still available. Thank you.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62254 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
Good one! I have often wondered who rearranged the people on my layouts.

Merry Christmas,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:10 PM

Okay this is not S, but I thought it might be okay to post here.

Very well done ad.

Mike Marmer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd105L2cKnI&feature=related
Group: S-Trains Message: 62255 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
Hah! I"ve never seen that!
Clever.

Rick


> Good one! I have often wondered who rearranged the people on my layouts.
>
> Merry Christmas,
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> Michael & Linda Marmer
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:10 PM
>
> Okay this is not S, but I thought it might be okay to post here.
>
> Very well done ad.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd105L2cKnI&feature=related
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62256 From: richs009 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
According to the K-line "Complete Service Manual" (which consists mostly of copies of the AF instruction sheets), p. 286 - edited slightly:

"Press[ing] the green button and the Grab bucket will come down to the coal pile with jaws open.

Press the red button part way down and the jaws will snap shut... Press the red button all the way down and the bucket will rise and ride up into the tower. Release the red button and the load will drop into the coal hopper [in the tower]. ...Press the center button and the [coal] will fall into the [rail] car below."

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom <tomminil@...> wrote:
>
> Center button operates the clamshell green and red go up and down doe
> not matter which button goes up or down
>
>
> For a great Florida Vacation click here
> mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tgrebo <tgrebo@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 8:25 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader
>
>
>
>
> can any one help with what the three buttons on the controller are used
> for? bought one without instruction sheets and trying to get operating
> for christmas. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks tomg
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62257 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Nice link but should actually have had some words around it.

Last time I got a naked link like this it was for male enhancement
products so I just automatically deleted it from my junk mail folder.
Junk filter picked up the naked site and decided it was junk.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/7/2010 12:54 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
>
> Hmmmm...... I may have to check them out in Target!
>
> Rick
>
> > http://www.m2machines.com/products.php?id=36&pid=40&subid=186
> <http://www.m2machines.com/products.php?id=36&pid=40&subid=186>
> >
> > _
>
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>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62258 From: albert paolozzi Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Rick,    I order them online from 1stopdiecast.  no shipping charge and a lil cheaper.  Also save on gas running around trying to find them.  I phone in my order to Fred at 1-951-780-5104.  Real nice vehicles.
Al Paolozzi in Nevada

--- On Tue, 12/7/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:

From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New M2's
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:54 AM







 









Hmmmm...... I may have to check them out in Target!



Rick



> http://www.m2machines.com/products.php?id=36&pid=40&subid=186

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62259 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: American Profile: L. Andrew Jugle
Hello friends:

This time of year I am behind in everything including reading my emails, newspapers and magazines. If this duplicates an earlier post, forgive me.

This morning I was skimming last Friday's edition of our small town weekly, The Keizertimes, when I came to the magazine insert, American Profile. I was very pleasantly surprised to see a nice two page article on our own L. Andrew Jugle and his erector set collection. While focused on erector, American Flyer trains were mentioned, and the large lead photo shows several shelves of Andrew's AF trains in the background.

Here is a link to the article with a few additional pix from their website:

http://www.americanprofile.com/article/43483.html

The lead pic as printed in the magazine actually shows the entire merry-go-round and more of the train shelves.

Congratulations, Andrew, on the nice promotion of our A. C. Gilbert collecting hobby.

Merry Christmas,

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

PS: Our American Flyer Capitol Holidays Layout is on display again this year in the State of Oregon Capitol Rotunda for the 26th year.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62260 From: Rhett George Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
- GreetingS -

Regarding the operating accessories that require AC to operate such as the
cattle car, said accessory having an outside pickup rail which feeds current
to the pickup shoe on one truck and returns it thru the running rail adjacent
to the outside rail, the circuit is relatively simple. Get a stand-alone
transformer for the accessory. Wire one transformer terminal to the acces-
sory and the other accessory terminal to the outside pickup rail. Connect
one side of the control pushbutton to the adjacent running rail and the other
to the remaining transformer terminal. Use either the accessory constant
voltage terminals or the variable voltage terminals normally used for train
operation, setting the throttle for desired activity. Other parts of the
accessory such as the vibrating floor for the passenger station or cattle
yard may employ the same stand-alone transformer.

As transformers in good condition have no conductive connection between
primary and secondary windings, AC on the accessory circuit and DC on the
train control circuit will live happily beside one another. This does
require that there be no missing or weak connections in the aforementioned
running rail. There will be no need for switches or relays.

Please note certain demands placed on the line by certain accessories.
Both of my coal dump gondolas use operating coils having 1.0 to 1.1 ohms
resistance. On a 15 volt circuit either one draws between 14 and 15 amps.
There is good reason to operate such from a separate and sturdy transformer.

Merry Christmas and may your passengers have a safe trip and happy arrival
at their destinations.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 62261 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: PayPal - conclusion
Thanks for the comments and suggestions regarding Paypal. Most useful were the messages that included the phone number, which I had been unable to find. (Least useful was a well-known dissident's suggestion that I get state and federal law enforcement immediately involved.)

I had about a half-hour wait on hold, not wasted time because I read the just-arrived edition of the Economist while waiting. The man who finally answered said there had been some unusual logging into my account, which was why they had locked it up. All is well again and ££ will soon be on their way to the UK for some S trackwork. I think just for good measure I'll change my password.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62262 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Thank you, helped me immensely.   




________________________________
From: richs009 <richs009@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 2:29:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: american flyer 785 coal loader

 
According to the K-line "Complete Service Manual" (which consists mostly of
copies of the AF instruction sheets), p. 286 - edited slightly:

"Press[ing] the green button and the Grab bucket will come down to the coal pile
with jaws open.


Press the red button part way down and the jaws will snap shut... Press the red
button all the way down and the bucket will rise and ride up into the tower.
Release the red button and the load will drop into the coal hopper [in the
tower]. ...Press the center button and the [coal] will fall into the [rail] car
below."

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom <tomminil@...> wrote:
>
> Center button operates the clamshell green and red go up and down doe
> not matter which button goes up or down
>
>
> For a great Florida Vacation click here
> mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tgrebo <tgrebo@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 8:25 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader
>
>
>
>
> can any one help with what the three buttons on the controller are used
> for? bought one without instruction sheets and trying to get operating
> for christmas. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks tomg
>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62263 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Cool ... thanks!

Rick

On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:35 AM, albert paolozzi wrote:

> Rick, I order them online from 1stopdiecast. no shipping charge and a lil cheaper. Also save on gas running around trying to find them. I phone in my order to Fred at 1-951-780-5104. Real nice vehicles.
> Al Paolozzi in Nevada
>
> --- On Tue, 12/7/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New M2's
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:54 AM
>
>
>
> Hmmmm...... I may have to check them out in Target!
>
> Rick
>
> > http://www.m2machines.com/products.php?id=36&pid=40&subid=186
>
> >
>
> > _
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62264 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] cute TV commercial with Lionel trains
I actually have a 1950s style Coke Machine and Bottle Cap that I am using for advertising from a seller on EBay at my Esso gas station.

Coke Machine is S scale.

I have my HO Plasticville Coke Machine at the Plasticville S train station.

.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62265 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: My Lionel Question
Dave,

LOL

Funny isn’t it.

Mike was right my windshield washer hose was too big, but I think I have some black wire that will be fine.

My twine I have has too many fuzzies on it.

Or maybe I will just leave it alone, as I never notice it being wrong in the first place.

But then now I know about it so..........

Just my Lionel things.

So other Lionel things.

The first wire wheel car like the PA one, has no screw to hold down the wheel, so it moves. I did put some painted mole skin to hold it better.

There CN reefer car which was pictured just like the AF one was not. The paint is a bright like Silver and the Maple Leaf logo is horrible. I never would of purchased it.

Mike Oh well, no more Lionel. In fact, I think I have enough S Helper cars for the layout.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 2:02 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: My Lionel Question


Hi Mike,

I took a look at the replacement "kit" on Lionel's website. Now I'm thinking about going into the parts business. If I can get $3 (plus who knows how much they charge for shipping) for less than a foot of twine I'll be rich in no time!!!!!!!! I'll even throw in the knot for free - lol.

Seriously - I'm thinking some wire insulation like the other Mike suggested will be much better than the twine. The only problem will be getting small enough wire to look "right". I've used wire insulation in my oil depot for tank car loading/unloading hoses and it looks pretty good. Bear in mind that most oil unloading hoses are either 3" or 4" diameter while air hose will be either 3/4" or 1" diameter. Based on my extensive experience with compressed air hoses in construction and chemical plants, most air hose is either a somewhat faded red or black. Also note that air hose is typically pretty stiff so maybe using insulated wire without removing the wire will be the best looking air hose. And maybe place a couple of coils in it close to the compressor. And don't forget a little gray paint at each end of the hose to simulate the Chicago fittings. Details - details - lol. I'll have to experiment some to see what looks best.

BG1

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> heard from Lionel as I knew they would reply.
>
> The part is available for 3 dollars.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TALK TOUS
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:04 AM
> To: mlmarmer@...
> Subject: Re: My Lionel Question
>
> Michael,
> If this is the part you are referring to, it is available for purchase here;
> https://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?setID=&productID=&doAction=partFilter&q=6409808070&match=2&submitButton=Search
>
> Thank you,
> Lionel Talk To us
>
> >>> <mlmarmer@...> 12/5/2010 6:23 PM >>>
>
> From:
> Michael C Marmer
> 20461 Afternoon Lane
> Germantown MD 20874
> 301-540-4145
> mlmarmer@...
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> I have a Lionel reproduction of the American Flyer Track gang. I am told
> there is a kit to add another air hose to one of the jack hammers on it.
> Is this still available. Thank you.
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62266 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Question on operating cars
Rhett,



A slight correction. The alternating current going through the "operating
coils" is dependent upon the "impedance" of the coil (an AC characteristic),
not the resistance (a DC characteristic). Both resistance and impedance are
measured in ohms, but they are not the same thing. The impedance of the
coil will depend upon the number and spacing of turns in the coil, the type
of core, the length and diameter of the coil, etc., and will always be
higher than its measured DC resistance. If you want to know the current
going through the coil, the easiest way is to measure it using an AC
ammeter. If your meter only has an AC voltage function, contact me and I
can tell you how to compute the current going through it using your
voltmeter and a separate resistor.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rhett George
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:41 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question on operating cars






- GreetingS -

Regarding the operating accessories that require AC to operate such as the
cattle car, said accessory having an outside pickup rail which feeds current
to the pickup shoe on one truck and returns it thru the running rail
adjacent
to the outside rail, the circuit is relatively simple. Get a stand-alone
transformer for the accessory. Wire one transformer terminal to the acces-
sory and the other accessory terminal to the outside pickup rail. Connect
one side of the control pushbutton to the adjacent running rail and the
other
to the remaining transformer terminal. Use either the accessory constant
voltage terminals or the variable voltage terminals normally used for train
operation, setting the throttle for desired activity. Other parts of the
accessory such as the vibrating floor for the passenger station or cattle
yard may employ the same stand-alone transformer.

As transformers in good condition have no conductive connection between
primary and secondary windings, AC on the accessory circuit and DC on the
train control circuit will live happily beside one another. This does
require that there be no missing or weak connections in the aforementioned
running rail. There will be no need for switches or relays.

Please note certain demands placed on the line by certain accessories.
Both of my coal dump gondolas use operating coils having 1.0 to 1.1 ohms
resistance. On a 15 volt circuit either one draws between 14 and 15 amps.
There is good reason to operate such from a separate and sturdy transformer.

Merry Christmas and may your passengers have a safe trip and happy arrival
at their destinations.

CheerS,

Rhett





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62267 From: SMMW Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Final call for GE 44-tonner orders
This week, I finally reached the minimum order quantity required to move
forward with the 44-tonner design. Both of the most popular versions, Phase
Ia (no front grill) and IVb (with front grill) will be produced using the
same 3D CAD, rapid prototyping and urethane casting process as all previous
kits. Athearn's tried and true Ready To Roll mechanism will used for the
gearboxes and, possibly, the motor if I can fit it in. Design will start
late this month with a target release date of March 2011.



Since this is now a "go" project, anyone else wanting to place an order by
email should do so ASAP. Payment-in-full is required by 1/7/2011 or your
order will be cancelled. The cutoff date is required so I can order just
enough photo etched parts and misc. items but not extras.



Pricing: $335 postpaid for either version with Code 110 wheelsets, DC only
or $355 postpaid with AF-compatible wheelsets, DC only. Prices applicable
in the Lower 48 only. If using PayPal, add 4% to the order amount and send
to my email address thru PP, otherwise, checks or MO can be mailed to the
address below.



This is the ONLY notice I will post so don't miss out. Contact me off list
if you have questions.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

35 Springwood Drive

Asheville, NC 28805

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62268 From: Tom Grabinski Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
Thank you for the help. 




________________________________
From: Tom <tomminil@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 1:43:04 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader

 
Center button operates the clamshell green and red go up and down doe
not matter which button goes up or down

For a great Florida Vacation click here
mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com

-----Original Message-----
From: tgrebo <tgrebo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 8:25 am
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader

can any one help with what the three buttons on the controller are used
for? bought one without instruction sheets and trying to get operating
for christmas. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks tomg







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62269 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim,

you need some guys with jack hammers with no hoses.

Looks good.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:50 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout


Hi Everyone!

I finished fiddling around the my forced - forced perspective. LOL I posted a bunch of pics from different angles, so I'll let you be the judge. It is what it is. LOL

To see my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62270 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Lionel saga
A reply from a O gauge friend about the situation with AF Lionel items. I am not sure if he is serious or joking about Lionel dedicating resources to O gauge making, as that is their main line.

Mike: If you and your S gauge friends are not happy with Flyonel products, there's an easy solution: just quit buying them! Then they will stop making them and dedicate more resources to the 3-rail O gauge market.

My reply:


Bill,

I don’t buy Lionel anymore.

It would be no loss as for years, we wanted Lionel to sell the name and rights but they will not, due to afraid of competition to their other products, O gauge. Give me a break, competition to O gauge?

On my layout I only run S Helper products, mostly. The only Lionel things I have on it, are 3 action cars.

They lost me to S Helper.

They put very little effort in to making AF.

It is amazing on the S list how many times these cars people buy far apart Should not be.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62271 From: aztecfan Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Carey at our age this link is like Male enhancement
I get so tired of reading long message I was just trying to get the message out before I went to something else. I collected Studebaker's and could go on and on. It is amazing how many Studebaker models there are like that tow truck with the 55 Buick on it.

Jim

Re: New M2's
Posted by: "Carey Probst" s-scale@... hcprobst
Tue Dec 7, 2010 11:47 am (PST)


Nice link but should actually have had some words around it.

Last time I got a naked link like this it was for male enhancement
products so I just automatically deleted it from my junk mail folder.
Junk filter picked up the naked site and decided it was junk.

Carey
Group: S-Trains Message: 62272 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response - Track Gang
You did, Jerry, what one would think almost anyone would do. My comment was
in earnest, but with a tongue-in-cheek demeanor. ;-)

In the November/December 2007 issue of S Gaugian on page 10 one will find a
product review that I wrote about the new L-AF Track Gang. I compared the
new with the original, offered a few operational tips, and discussed the
missing "hose" and how this little shortcoming can be very easily corrected
by anyone with a modicum of hobby skill. My sample, by the way, has
functioned nicely for over three years and it has permitted me to retire my
original.

Given what a prewar original fetches, this affordable little accessory is
yet another helpful contribution to the AF operator by that nasty, evil,
detestable, 3-rail, Grinch-like, bad old awful Lionel. ;-)

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 12/7/2010 2:48:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Bob, et al.,

Even if you meant it as a joke, I actually found some twine that matches
the "hose" almost exactly. Since I'm not a collector of boxes, or a stickler
for originality (on most things), I can live with it, and it looks quite
good!

Jerry Poniatowski





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62273 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Lionel Email Response
Hi All,

Speaking of that "nasty, evil, detestable, 3-rail, Grinch-like, bad old awful Lionel", they did respond to my email regarding the "free upgrade" I asked about. They dodged the "free" part and sent me the same link to the replacement air hose that they sent Mike.

It was nice to see them respond quickly to a question about a $3 part - so their Customer Service is on-the-ball and deserves an atta-boy!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62274 From: frank emiro Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Try calling them


Frank R. EMIRO

--- On Mon, 12/6/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Email Response
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 7:13 PM


 



Hi All,

I did not receive an email response from Lionel today regarding the track gang fix. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

BG1











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Group: S-Trains Message: 62275 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Coke Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd105L2cKnI&feature=related

I am resending this link as I think the forward email did not come through?

A train set ad that is neat, even through it is not S.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62276 From: trainnut2us Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Choke for Locomatic
The Locomatic controls will not function if there is electrical interferance, from a car with electrical components, without a choke to filter it out.
Jim Siverling
Re: Choke Placement‏
12/06/10
Reply ▼ReplyFrom: Don Thompson (don@...)
Sent: Mon 12/06/10 6:21 PM
To: James Siverling (b401999@...)
Cc: Robin Thompson (robint@...)


Dear James,
I suspect you want to attach between the truck leads one one side. This is how we did it with AF cabooses. The choke is supposed to filter out the interference from the AC transformer to the LocoMatic signal.
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 62277 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Lionel Email Response
Again, this might bankrupt Lionel in sending out a few “kits” to us who are in need of air hoses.

No wonder why this roadway they are working wont break up. No air to power the jack asses, err, hammers, who design this repro. LOL

Ahh, Lionel, got to love them.

I think they just don’t like us 2 railers. LOL

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Email Response


Hi All,

Speaking of that "nasty, evil, detestable, 3-rail, Grinch-like, bad old awful Lionel", they did respond to my email regarding the "free upgrade" I asked about. They dodged the "free" part and sent me the same link to the replacement air hose that they sent Mike.

It was nice to see them respond quickly to a question about a $3 part - so their Customer Service is on-the-ball and deserves an atta-boy!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62278 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Train email.
The below is from my 76 year old second cousin, Rhoda about trains. I censored one word. LOL

Mike Marmer

I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED MODEL TRAINS. GROWING UP A NEIGHBORS KID HAD A XMAS TREE AND TRAINS. OUR PARENTS WERE FRIENDS AND BOTH IN THE BUS BUSINESS, SO I COULDN!T WAIT TILL THE TRAINS WERE SET UP. BEING A (Censored), WHEN IT WAS MY TURN I LOVED TO MAKE THEM CRASH. MEAN RIGHT? MODEL ANYTHING, ALWAYS INTRIGUED ME. NOW THAT ANDY CAN NO LONGER FLY HIS REAL PLANE I WAS HOPING TO GET HIM INTO MODELS, HE WILL NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT. WHEN MY FIRST GRANDSON WAS LITTLE ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO I BOUGHT HIM A MODEL PLANE AND EXTRA FUEL PAKS. MY SON IN LAW A GREAT GUY PUT IT TOGETHER AND WE WENT TO THE SCHOOL YARD TO FLY IT. THEN IT COST ME OVER $100.00, FIRST FLIGHT, THEY CRASHED IT AND NEVER FIXED IT. SO MUCH FOR THAT. IF I LIVED CLOSER I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY WITH YOUR TRAINS WITH YOU, REALLY.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62279 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Thanks Mike!

I'm a little anxious to get my layout done this winter. How did you feel after you had your layout built? Sad it was done? Happy it was over with? I'll have upgrades I can do every winter for a few years. So, even though it will be done, it will continue.

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> you need some guys with jack hammers with no hoses.
>
> Looks good.
>
> Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 62280 From: Tom Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: american flyer 785 coal loader
You are welcome Happy Holidays

Tom David 708.699.9148


For a great Florida Vacation click here
mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Grabinski <tgrebo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader




Thank you for the help. 

________________________________
From: Tom <tomminil@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 1:43:04 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader

 
Center button operates the clamshell green and red go up and down doe
not matter which button goes up or down

For a great Florida Vacation click here
mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com

-----Original Message-----
From: tgrebo <tgrebo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 8:25 am
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer 785 coal loader

can any one help with what the three buttons on the controller are used
for? bought one without instruction sheets and trying to get operating
for christmas. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks tomg

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62281 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: : Lionel Email Response -
E-mailed ATLAS one time with a ?? on "N" PRR loco, took 30 SECONDS for a
reply, seldom more than 30 minutes with SHS. DALLEE about the same.
Apparently they care.

Jim "runnin' trains on the Keystone Main" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62282 From: trainnut2us Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Choke for Locomatic
I believe I have figured out the problem. I was trying to use SHS power pack( DC) with my Christmas Engine and not having any luck with Locomatic function. Don's note saying the choke was to filter AC current rang the bell and I tried an old AF power pack with good results. Everything now appears to work.
Jim Siverling

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> The Locomatic controls will not function if there is electrical interferance, from a car with electrical components, without a choke to filter it out.
> Jim Siverling
> Re: Choke Placement‏
> 12/06/10
> Reply ▼ReplyFrom: Don Thompson (don@...)
> Sent: Mon 12/06/10 6:21 PM
> To: James Siverling (b401999@...)
> Cc: Robin Thompson (robint@...)
>
>
> Dear James,
> I suspect you want to attach between the truck leads one one side. This is how we did it with AF cabooses. The choke is supposed to filter out the interference from the AC transformer to the LocoMatic signal.
> Don
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62283 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim,
You are welcome.

You will get it done in time, take you time, do it right.

Mixed feelings, as I just wrote to someone, that I would of like to have it more like the layouts you see in S Gaugian Magazine, as I have the same water tower on the cover of the current issue.

I just do not feel I have the skill or knowledge to get the landscaping a bit better.

oh, I am not done, as I still have to hook up the crossing arm of my NJI signals, as it has been TWO years since I got them. I keep messing up and I keep sending the circuit boards back to TDP who resets them very nice guy who owns TDP. So they sit on the work bench as I just got them back. First I could not get the light to blink, as they work on light sensors in the track. Then we got them going, then I could not get the servos to work. So, I just got them back 2 weeks ago.

I just order the set of M2 cars with the tow truck. I still need to order more Artista people.

CTT Roger Carp say he will come by in the fall of 2011 to do a story on it.

But I am real happy with it overall.

I hope to have a open house in the spring.

Those who have seen it in person, many O gauge people really like and again all of Linda’s co-workers male and female, not just female really like it.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout


Thanks Mike!

I'm a little anxious to get my layout done this winter. How did you feel after you had your layout built? Sad it was done? Happy it was over with? I'll have upgrades I can do every winter for a few years. So, even though it will be done, it will continue.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> you need some guys with jack hammers with no hoses.
>
> Looks good.
>
> Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62284 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Train email.
Hi Mike,

Your cousin's email brought back fond memories for me. When I was about 9 or 10 my Dad got me a gas powered airplane for Christmas. It was a Cox Stuka. He took me to the local schoolyard near my grandparent's house and he took it on its first flight, ending with a tremendous crash shortly after takeoff. So much for that airplane. The next Christmas he bought me another gas powered airplane (a Cox flight trainer) that was held together with rubber bands and was "crash proof". Off to the same schoolyard again - same result. Another tremendous crash with my Dad as the pilot and another destroyed "crash proof" airplane because both motor mounts broke off. If you're keeping score thats two airplanes down and I haven't touched the control line yet! That's when my Dad decided I was too young to have a gas powered airplane - hahaha! So no more airplanes for me on Christmas.

But the story doesn't end here. When I was 17 a buddy of mine told me he had always wanted a gas powered airplane. So we hoped in my car and drove to the local discount store (Kmart). We each bought gas powered airplanes. Mine was a Cox tri-plane and his was a NASA design similar to a stealth airplane (no one knew what a stealth airplane was back then of course). We had tons of fun flying those and never crashed bad enough to destroy them (and we didn't let my Dad get near them!). His flat wing was easy to fly, but my triplane was a handful. We spent the better part of that spring flying them like we were 10 again - lol. I guess it just goes to show that even at 17 you can relive your childhood dreams!

Thanks for bringing back those fond memories of my Dad and my best friend!

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> The below is from my 76 year old second cousin, Rhoda about trains. I censored one word. LOL
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED MODEL TRAINS. GROWING UP A NEIGHBORS KID HAD A XMAS TREE AND TRAINS. OUR PARENTS WERE FRIENDS AND BOTH IN THE BUS BUSINESS, SO I COULDN!T WAIT TILL THE TRAINS WERE SET UP. BEING A (Censored), WHEN IT WAS MY TURN I LOVED TO MAKE THEM CRASH. MEAN RIGHT? MODEL ANYTHING, ALWAYS INTRIGUED ME. NOW THAT ANDY CAN NO LONGER FLY HIS REAL PLANE I WAS HOPING TO GET HIM INTO MODELS, HE WILL NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT. WHEN MY FIRST GRANDSON WAS LITTLE ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO I BOUGHT HIM A MODEL PLANE AND EXTRA FUEL PAKS. MY SON IN LAW A GREAT GUY PUT IT TOGETHER AND WE WENT TO THE SCHOOL YARD TO FLY IT. THEN IT COST ME OVER $100.00, FIRST FLIGHT, THEY CRASHED IT AND NEVER FIXED IT. SO MUCH FOR THAT. IF I LIVED CLOSER I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY WITH YOUR TRAINS WITH YOU, REALLY.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62285 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I have created a new post to show how I make my mass vegetation mats. I'm curious to find out if anyone else can take this concept to a higher level and use it on their model RR build.

To see what I have done, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62286 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Mike,

Where did you order the M2 cars from? I’ve been looking on line with no luck.


Jim

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout


Tim,
You are welcome.

You will get it done in time, take you time, do it right.

Mixed feelings, as I just wrote to someone, that I would of like to have it more like the layouts you see in S Gaugian Magazine, as I have the same water tower on the cover of the current issue.

I just do not feel I have the skill or knowledge to get the landscaping a bit better.

oh, I am not done, as I still have to hook up the crossing arm of my NJI signals, as it has been TWO years since I got them. I keep messing up and I keep sending the circuit boards back to TDP who resets them very nice guy who owns TDP. So they sit on the work bench as I just got them back. First I could not get the light to blink, as they work on light sensors in the track. Then we got them going, then I could not get the servos to work. So, I just got them back 2 weeks ago.

I just order the set of M2 cars with the tow truck. I still need to order more Artista people.

CTT Roger Carp say he will come by in the fall of 2011 to do a story on it.

But I am real happy with it overall.

I hope to have a open house in the spring.

Those who have seen it in person, many O gauge people really like and again all of Linda’s co-workers male and female, not just female really like it.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:47 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout

Thanks Mike!

I'm a little anxious to get my layout done this winter. How did you feel after you had your layout built? Sad it was done? Happy it was over with? I'll have upgrades I can do every winter for a few years. So, even though it will be done, it will continue.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> you need some guys with jack hammers with no hoses.
>
> Looks good.
>
> Mike

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 62287 From: Larry Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: DCC in American Models Loco's
Good afternoon,

I was wondering if anyone here has experience in installing DCC into an American Models locomotive? I contacted AM about this, and they said that they had little knowledge of DCC, but they knew they had customers who were buying their product (generally buying DC highrail loco's) and installing the proper wiring/harness and card to make the locomotive DCC.

Thanks, Larry Martin
San Dimas, Ca.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62288 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Train email.
David,

Great story, as I am glad you liked my cousin’s story.

She did not say what scale. LOL Most likely Lionel, maybe she crashed a rare GG1 what ever the heck that is. LOL Just kidding as my real train knowledge is limited.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train email.


Hi Mike,

Your cousin's email brought back fond memories for me. When I was about 9 or 10 my Dad got me a gas powered airplane for Christmas. It was a Cox Stuka. He took me to the local schoolyard near my grandparent's house and he took it on its first flight, ending with a tremendous crash shortly after takeoff. So much for that airplane. The next Christmas he bought me another gas powered airplane (a Cox flight trainer) that was held together with rubber bands and was "crash proof". Off to the same schoolyard again - same result. Another tremendous crash with my Dad as the pilot and another destroyed "crash proof" airplane because both motor mounts broke off. If you're keeping score thats two airplanes down and I haven't touched the control line yet! That's when my Dad decided I was too young to have a gas powered airplane - hahaha! So no more airplanes for me on Christmas.

But the story doesn't end here. When I was 17 a buddy of mine told me he had always wanted a gas powered airplane. So we hoped in my car and drove to the local discount store (Kmart). We each bought gas powered airplanes. Mine was a Cox tri-plane and his was a NASA design similar to a stealth airplane (no one knew what a stealth airplane was back then of course). We had tons of fun flying those and never crashed bad enough to destroy them (and we didn't let my Dad get near them!). His flat wing was easy to fly, but my triplane was a handful. We spent the better part of that spring flying them like we were 10 again - lol. I guess it just goes to show that even at 17 you can relive your childhood dreams!

Thanks for bringing back those fond memories of my Dad and my best friend!

David

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> The below is from my 76 year old second cousin, Rhoda about trains. I censored one word. LOL
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED MODEL TRAINS. GROWING UP A NEIGHBORS KID HAD A XMAS TREE AND TRAINS. OUR PARENTS WERE FRIENDS AND BOTH IN THE BUS BUSINESS, SO I COULDN!T WAIT TILL THE TRAINS WERE SET UP. BEING A (Censored), WHEN IT WAS MY TURN I LOVED TO MAKE THEM CRASH. MEAN RIGHT? MODEL ANYTHING, ALWAYS INTRIGUED ME. NOW THAT ANDY CAN NO LONGER FLY HIS REAL PLANE I WAS HOPING TO GET HIM INTO MODELS, HE WILL NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT. WHEN MY FIRST GRANDSON WAS LITTLE ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO I BOUGHT HIM A MODEL PLANE AND EXTRA FUEL PAKS. MY SON IN LAW A GREAT GUY PUT IT TOGETHER AND WE WENT TO THE SCHOOL YARD TO FLY IT. THEN IT COST ME OVER $100.00, FIRST FLIGHT, THEY CRASHED IT AND NEVER FIXED IT. SO MUCH FOR THAT. IF I LIVED CLOSER I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY WITH YOUR TRAINS WITH YOU, REALLY.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62289 From: Brady Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
<< I have created a new post to show how I make my mass vegetation mats. I'm curious to find out if anyone else can take this concept to a higher level and use it on their model RR build. >>

Timboy,

That's nice work. I'm not a expert on scenery, but I've only seen scenery blankets used on one other layout

http://www.pennwestrr.com

http://www.pennwestrr.com/sceneryblanket0702.jpg


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62290 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Al Paolozzi wrote:

" Rick, I order them online from 1stopdiecast. no shipping charge and a lil cheaper. Also save on gas running around trying to find them. I phone in my order to Fred at 1-951-780-5104. Real nice vehicles.

On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Rick Evans wrote:

> Cool ... thanks!
>
> Rick
>
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:35 AM, albert paolozzi wrote:
>
> > Rick, I order them online from 1stopdiecast. no shipping charge and a lil cheaper. Also save on gas running around trying to find them. I phone in my order to Fred at 1-951-780-5104. Real nice vehicles.
> > Al Paolozzi in Nevada
> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/7/10, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New M2's
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:54 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmmmm...... I may have to check them out in Target!
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62291 From: stevew970 Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: L-AF Challenger
Would those of you who saw the new AF Challenger at York give me your opinion as to the level of detail and accuracy of scale? Is it as good as the Mikado? Or does it have scale/size issues like the Big Boy? Or is it less detailed like the post war AF steamers? What I could make out in the video from York looked good, but it is hard to tell for sure. I'm hoping someone who was there and had a chance to see it close up and personal can help me out.
Thanks,
Steve W
Group: S-Trains Message: 62292 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Brady,

Thanks! I was not aware of that site. I think it looks nice. But from the second link, it looks like a commercially-prepared product = expensive. LOL

Regards,
Timboy

> Timboy,
>
> That's nice work. I'm not a expert on scenery, but I've only seen scenery blankets used on one other layout
>
> http://www.pennwestrr.com
>
> http://www.pennwestrr.com/sceneryblanket0702.jpg
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62293 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: New M2's
Just ordered a set from the same site.

Thanks to who ever wrote about this first.

And who says S has nothing, why we have a S scale tow truck now. LOL

Mike
From: Rick Evans
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:08 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New M2's


Al Paolozzi wrote:

" Rick, I order them online from 1stopdiecast. no shipping charge and a lil cheaper. Also save on gas running around trying to find them. I phone in my order to Fred at 1-951-780-5104. Real nice vehicles.

On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Rick Evans wrote:

> Cool ... thanks!
>
> Rick
>
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:35 AM, albert paolozzi wrote:
>
> > Rick, I order them online from 1stopdiecast. no shipping charge and a lil cheaper. Also save on gas running around trying to find them. I phone in my order to Fred at 1-951-780-5104. Real nice vehicles.
> > Al Paolozzi in Nevada
> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/7/10, Rick Evans <mailto:bassflyer%40charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Rick Evans <mailto:bassflyer%40charter.net>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New M2's
> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:54 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmmmm...... I may have to check them out in Target!
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62294 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: DCC in American Models Loco's
Hi Larry,

I've done DCC in I think all the AM steamers, and it works great! Here's
a link to a writeup I did on a Northern. All the steamers are similar.
http://velocette.us/DCC/AMNorthern/AMNorthern2.htm

Bill

On 12/8/2010 2:35 PM, Larry wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I was wondering if anyone here has experience in installing DCC into
> an American Models locomotive? I contacted AM about this, and they
> said that they had little knowledge of DCC, but they knew they had
> customers who were buying their product (generally buying DC highrail
> loco's) and installing the proper wiring/harness and card to make the
> locomotive DCC.
>
> Thanks, Larry Martin
> San Dimas, Ca.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62295 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: DCC in American Models Loco's
I have installed DCC in several AM locos. Both steamers and Diesels. The
Steamers are easy, the Diesels require special oval type speakers due to the
small space available because of the size of the motor and drive shafts. If
sound is not being installed then the Diesels are easy too. Both type
require high amperage decoders because of the large current draw of the motors.
They are current hogs and will blow the standard 1.5 amp decoder in a
heartbeat..
Steve
SnS Trains....Boise


In a message dated 12/8/2010 1:20:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
lmartin780@... writes:




Good afternoon,

I was wondering if anyone here has experience in installing DCC into an
American Models locomotive? I contacted AM about this, and they said that
they had little knowledge of DCC, but they knew they had customers who were
buying their product (generally buying DC highrail loco's) and installing the
proper wiring/harness and card to make the locomotive DCC.

Thanks, Larry Martin
San Dimas, Ca.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62296 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
A very well done looks like a real O scale layout with lots of great scenery, wish I knew how to do that, and kit type buildings.

But then, I clicked on the Operation link and saw the link to the creamery area, as I wanted to get this neat S scale Creamery building for my layout, but it was 3 feet long, no room.

In looking at the pictures, he has a AF Oil drum loader!!!!!! But you know, it works, fits in well. I have a oil drum loader too next to some S scale kits, but I did custom it with brick wall paper on the yellow building. I am surprised he did not do that. but it does look good.

So, I am not the only nut who try to make a scale layout and used a action accessory! LOL

His horse shoe curve area is dead on perfect, as there is a small visitor center and a road tunnel just like that.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout


Hi Brady,

Thanks! I was not aware of that site. I think it looks nice. But from the second link, it looks like a commercially-prepared product = expensive. LOL

Regards,
Timboy

> Timboy,
>
> That's nice work. I'm not a expert on scenery, but I've only seen scenery blankets used on one other layout
>
> http://www.pennwestrr.com
>
> http://www.pennwestrr.com/sceneryblanket0702.jpg
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62297 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Also in addition to what I wrote about the oil drum loader, he did a nice job with a corner store that is really a tavern from Bar Mills.

I have this tavern on my layout, as it is Stadium Tavern. Someone very kindly made me a professional sign “Stadium Tavern” for my tavern.

The express reefers look like Passenger cars.

I even showed the website to Linda and she was impressed with it. She love the Horse Shoe curve area.

All he needs is the Altoona Curve Baseball field with roller coaster in the outfield.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout


Hi Brady,

Thanks! I was not aware of that site. I think it looks nice. But from the second link, it looks like a commercially-prepared product = expensive. LOL

Regards,
Timboy

> Timboy,
>
> That's nice work. I'm not a expert on scenery, but I've only seen scenery blankets used on one other layout
>
> http://www.pennwestrr.com
>
> http://www.pennwestrr.com/sceneryblanket0702.jpg
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62298 From: albert paolozzi Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
you can see them at www.1stopdiecast.com
You can order them at 1-951 780-5104.   I usually talk to Fred.  The cars i like are the 1/64  Authenticars   There have been 14 different releases of vehicles and they are well made with opening doors and hoods.  I have just about every one of the 14 issues and some dupes.   Quite a few on my layout.  Check them out at the website first.  Now they are coming out with some late 40's and 50's trucks.  I tried to find them at wal mart and target but i was wasting more gas running around trying to find them and besides with free shipping they are cheaper to order over the phone or the net.  Good luck,  Al Paolozzi

--- On Wed, 12/8/10, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote:

From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 4:44 AM







 









Mike,



Where did you order the M2 cars from? I’ve been looking on line with no luck.



Jim



From: Michael & Linda Marmer

Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:12 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout



Tim,

You are welcome.



You will get it done in time, take you time, do it right.



Mixed feelings, as I just wrote to someone, that I would of like to have it more like the layouts you see in S Gaugian Magazine, as I have the same water tower on the cover of the current issue.



I just do not feel I have the skill or knowledge to get the landscaping a bit better.



oh, I am not done, as I still have to hook up the crossing arm of my NJI signals, as it has been TWO years since I got them. I keep messing up and I keep sending the circuit boards back to TDP who resets them very nice guy who owns TDP. So they sit on the work bench as I just got them back. First I could not get the light to blink, as they work on light sensors in the track. Then we got them going, then I could not get the servos to work. So, I just got them back 2 weeks ago.



I just order the set of M2 cars with the tow truck. I still need to order more Artista people.



CTT Roger Carp say he will come by in the fall of 2011 to do a story on it.



But I am real happy with it overall.



I hope to have a open house in the spring.



Those who have seen it in person, many O gauge people really like and again all of Linda’s co-workers male and female, not just female really like it.



Mike



From: Timboy

Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:47 PM

To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout



Thanks Mike!



I'm a little anxious to get my layout done this winter. How did you feel after you had your layout built? Sad it was done? Happy it was over with? I'll have upgrades I can do every winter for a few years. So, even though it will be done, it will continue.



Regards,

Timboy



--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

>

> Tim,

>

> you need some guys with jack hammers with no hoses.

>

> Looks good.

>

> Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62299 From: albert paolozzi Date: 12/8/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
--- On Wed, 12/8/10, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote:

From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 6:48 PM

you can see them at www.1stopdiecast.com
You can order them at 1-951 780-5104.   I usually talk to Fred.  The cars i like are the 1/64  Authenticars   There have been 14 different releases of vehicles and they are well made with opening doors and hoods.  I have just about every one of the 14 issues and some dupes.   Quite a few on my layout.  Check them out at the website first.  Now they are coming out with some late 40's and 50's trucks.  I tried to find them at wal mart and target but i was wasting more gas running around trying to find them and besides with free shipping they are cheaper to order over the phone or the net.  Good luck,  Al Paolozzi

--- On Wed, 12/8/10, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote:

From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 4:44 AM







 









Mike,



Where did you order the M2 cars from? I’ve been looking on line with no luck.



Jim



From: Michael & Linda Marmer

Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:12 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout



Tim,

You are welcome.



You will get it done in time, take you time, do it right.



Mixed feelings, as I just wrote to someone, that I would of like to have it more like the layouts you see in S Gaugian Magazine, as I have the same water tower on the cover of the current issue.



I just do not feel I have the skill or knowledge to get the landscaping a bit better.



oh, I am not done, as I still have to hook up the crossing arm of my NJI signals, as it has been TWO years since I got them. I keep messing up and I keep sending the circuit boards back to TDP who resets them very nice guy who owns TDP. So they sit on the work bench as I just got them back. First I could not get the light to blink, as they work on light sensors in the track. Then we got them going, then I could not get the servos to work. So, I just got them back 2 weeks ago.



I just order the set of M2 cars with the tow truck. I still need to order more Artista people.



CTT Roger Carp say he will come by in the fall of 2011 to do a story on it.



But I am real happy with it overall.



I hope to have a open house in the spring.



Those who have seen it in person, many O gauge people really like and again all of Linda’s co-workers male and female, not just female really like it.



Mike



From: Timboy

Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:47 PM

To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout



Thanks Mike!



I'm a little anxious to get my layout done this winter. How did you feel after you had your layout built? Sad it was done? Happy it was over with? I'll have upgrades I can do every winter for a few years. So, even though it will be done, it will continue.



Regards,

Timboy



--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

>

> Tim,

>

> you need some guys with jack hammers with no hoses.

>

> Looks good.

>

> Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62300 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
<< Thanks! I was not aware of that site. I think it looks nice. But from the second link, it looks like a commercially-prepared product = expensive. LOL >>

Timboy,

Too bad the P&W isn't an S gauge pike, double-headed K-5's would look sweet on Horseshoe curve.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62301 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: L-AF Challenger
Because I had the opportunity to inspect the engine twice at York, I have posted about the new AF Challenger a number of times, but it bears repeating again.

The new Challenger is all-new with all-new tooling. It is to be scale-sized and detailed in the same fashion that the new Mikado and Pacific. It will have two motors -- the catalog description is incorrect on this point -- one for each set of drivers, just as the Lionemaster O gauge articulateds and the L-AF Big Boy are set up. This is to make the engine capable of negotiating Gilbert curves and turnouts, and provide good pulling power. The model sample I inspected was fitted with an enclosed weatherized cab. All Legacy TMCC features shall be included (Odyssey 2, smoke, electrocoupler, directional lighting, Railsounds 5.5 -- crew talk, bell, whistle).

So, it will not have the kluge aspects of the Big Boy, but be every bit as much fun to operate.

Bob Bubeck


Would those of you who saw the new AF Challenger at York give me your opinion as to the level of detail and accuracy of scale?







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62302 From: Timboy Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Brady,

I agree, but I don't know if anyone has enough room to model Horseshoe Curve accurately in S. I might have enough room to do it in Z...

Regards,
Timboy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:

> Timboy,
>
> Too bad the P&W isn't an S gauge pike, double-headed K-5's would look sweet on Horseshoe curve.
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62303 From: Brady Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: December Photo Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 62304 From: Brady Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
<< I agree, but I don't know if anyone has enough room to model Horseshoe Curve accurately in S. I might have enough room to do it in Z... >>

I think you could do a respectable (compressed) Horsehoe Curve, but that's about it. You'd have to hide a helix in the mountain..

...Hummmm...a front coupler for the K-5 helpers to handle link couplers...hummm :-)




Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62305 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Mr & Mrs Claus
I have 3 SHS # 01589 Mr & Mrs Claus with elves and wreath. $ 14.95 + $ 5.
USPS + .90 PA tx IF you are from PA.

Interested, please reply to _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)
directly

Will ship immediately upon receiving PMO.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62306 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/9/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Wait, a O gauge group with pictures and discussion of AF in S. have they lost their minds. LOL

Just kidding.

Thanks for the link Brady. Nice pictures.

Mike

From: Brady
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:20 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] December Photo Fun


http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/4792942007

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62307 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 12/10/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Thanks for the pix!! I grew up alongside the Santa Fe in Arizona, and
that second picture immediately brings back to mind the ground-shaking
pounding, clanking, and smells of the black exhaust of these grand
fellows as they coasted through town at their slightly reduced
speeds. They didn't slow down much for Holbrook! JimA
Group: S-Trains Message: 62308 From: Timboy Date: 12/10/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone:

I roughed-in a new section. It will have a Guilford Station and Crane on the lower level of track.

For pics and more details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62309 From: Larry Date: 12/10/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Jim,

You probably saw my Grandad, he was an engineer on that line running Baldwin 4-8-4's. Great country.

Larry Martin
San Dimas, ca

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jim Armstrong <jarmstro99@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the pix!! I grew up alongside the Santa Fe in Arizona, and
> that second picture immediately brings back to mind the ground-shaking
> pounding, clanking, and smells of the black exhaust of these grand
> fellows as they coasted through town at their slightly reduced
> speeds. They didn't slow down much for Holbrook! JimA
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62310 From: Edward Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Christmas Train card.....
Merry Christmas.............Pass it around


http://www.riversongs.com/greetings/train.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 62311 From: Brady Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Horseshoe Curve (was: Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Mike,

<< But then, I clicked on the Operation link and saw the link to the creamery area, as I wanted to get this neat S scale Creamery building for my layout, but it was 3 feet long, no room. >>

If you look again you'll see there is no actual creamery building, it's in the space taken up by the aisle.

<< In looking at the pictures, he has a AF Oil drum loader!!!!!! >>

The P&W was originally designed with Postwar Lionel in mind. The grade that approaches the curve is 3.5% - that was done on purpose (after several tests) so that a train with a single-motored geep would have to stop and add a helper. A train with a double motored locomotive (F-3 AB, FM Train Master, etc.) could make the grade and would not need a helper. This is an idea that might work with Flyer.

When I first visited ten years ago the Lionel motive power was being replaced by scale types, and since then the Lionel rolling stock has been replaced by Weaver, Crown and other O scale types equipped with Lionel compatible trucks. TMCC was installed and much of the equipment is weathered.

Today a 3rd Rail brass Decapod going up that 3.5% grade slips with 8 or 9 cars, so longer trains need a helper. That's part of the operation. I had the oportunity to run a coal drag up Horseshoe with decapods at each end - amazing.

I'm told that most of the P&W operating crew are two-railers, I suppose that even with the popularity of O gauge "hi-rail" the O gauge community isn't really into the formal operating sessions more common in HO and N scale.

Many of the P&W concepts could be used on an S gauge or S scale layout. It's too bad that I don't have the room, my Gilbert Flyer is already weathered :-)

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62312 From: Brady Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Horseshoe Curve (was: Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
<< I even showed the website to Linda and she was impressed with it. She love the Horse Shoe curve area. >>

Mike

There are a couple of videos on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTTVf481Bj4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3xM8jGHywo

I took the first video about four years ago. The second video shows the (very long) completed wooden trestle.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62313 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: December Photo Fun
Wouldn't be surprised. Watched a lot of 'em. Flattened a few pennies
under 'em. Watched the crews pick their orders as they passed the little
depot. I think the result was pretty much like the imprinting of
ducklings! :-) JimA
Group: S-Trains Message: 62314 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Horseshoe Curve (was: Building a Large American Flyer Layout)
Thanks Brady.
Will look at them later.

Mike

From: Brady
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:58 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Horseshoe Curve (was: Building a Large American Flyer Layout)


<< I even showed the website to Linda and she was impressed with it. She love the Horse Shoe curve area. >>

Mike

There are a couple of videos on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTTVf481Bj4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3xM8jGHywo

I took the first video about four years ago. The second video shows the (very long) completed wooden trestle.

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62315 From: Timboy Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I had two work sessions today and made a huge improvement on the cosmetics of the section I'm working on.

To see pics and read more details, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62316 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
In case you haven't visited the site lately, there have been quite a few
changes. Thanks to Lonny Beno, who provided several new catalog
illustrations, I have been able to add many new factory display layouts
from 1954, 1955, and 1957. I have also added a section on what I call
concept layouts, the layouts that maybe never existed except in the
artists conceptions that appeared in the catalogs. I have also provided
some links to photos of a re-creation of one of those layouts.

Finally, there is an honest to goodness photo of an existing factory
display layout that neither its owner nor I can identify by number.
If you think you can help, please let me know.

Dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 62317 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Christmas Train
Ahh, the Dart Drug (Drug store in DC out of business) Mountain King Artificial Christmas tree we got in 1982 is up.

American Flyer train is under the tree, with Reindeer box car, Christmas tree blinking in Box Car from S Helper, repro Christmas Tree flat from 1958, my original one is too costly to run, Cat Nip rat flat car, my original design fitted with one large Cat Nip rat, with cat nip inside it and cat nip rubbed over it that the late Kitty used to try to tear apart, one Bruster the Reindeer head popping out of covered hopper and Red Rock Island Line Caboose with S scale Mr. and Mrs. Claus on the back, like a Presidential tour.

The 2010 S Helper Christmas Car will not be here in time this year. It is still in production.

Engine smokes and steam generator is set up too.

Trains are over looked by the Chic Fil A gang, one U of MD cow, one Penn State Cow, one Santa cow and many Peach Bowl Cows.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62318 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
What? No Duck? Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/11/2010 5:43:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Ahh, the Dart Drug (Drug store in DC out of business) Mountain King
Artificial Christmas tree we got in 1982 is up.

American Flyer train is under the tree, with Reindeer box car, Christmas
tree blinking in Box Car from S Helper, repro Christmas Tree flat from 1958,
my original one is too costly to run, Cat Nip rat flat car, my original
design fitted with one large Cat Nip rat, with cat nip inside it and cat nip
rubbed over it that the late Kitty used to try to tear apart, one Bruster
the Reindeer head popping out of covered hopper and Red Rock Island Line
Caboose with S scale Mr. and Mrs. Claus on the back, like a Presidential tour.

The 2010 S Helper Christmas Car will not be here in time this year. It is
still in production.

Engine smokes and steam generator is set up too.

Trains are over looked by the Chic Fil A gang, one U of MD cow, one Penn
State Cow, one Santa cow and many Peach Bowl Cows.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62319 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/11/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
NO Turkey Hill cow????

Jim


In a message dated 12/11/2010 8:43:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:


Trains are over looked by the Chic Fil A gang, one U of MD cow, one Penn
State Cow, one Santa cow and many Peach Bowl Cows.

Mike Marmer




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62320 From: MikeS Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: 249 American Flyer Tunnel
Just thought this was a superb item, affordable and some on this list might be interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160518314118&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Mike Spanier
Group: S-Trains Message: 62321 From: John Metzger Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Fw: Last Train Ride
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Jim at the Lake <sunsetatlake@...>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; John Metzger <johnm_63379@...>
Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 10:06:17 PM
Subject: Last Train Ride


Group,

It is my sad duty to report that one of our members has taken his last train
ride. Jack Riely (jnr59), a B&O enthusiast, passed away on the 6th of December
after a nine year fight that started with prostate cancer.


Jack is survived by his wife Cathie and 4 children, and numerous grandchildren.
He is also survived by two brothers and a sister. Jack was a native of New York,
but spent a lot of time in the Baltimore area at one of his grandparent’s home
where he developed his love of the B&O.


He was a Marine aviation veteran of the Vietnam War and a 30-year veteran of
Citicorp.

I
n St. Louis he was a valued member of the American Flyer S-Gaugers of the St.
Louis Area. He participated as our manufacturers rep in the Fall S Fests in 2003
and 2007. He performed the same services for the NASG 2009 Convention.


He will be sorely missed. He was a young 67 years old.

Jim Bresnahan, Lake of the Ozarks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62322 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
I forgot to put in a link to the website, so here it is.
www.americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [S-Trains] Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:30:21 -0800
From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com



In case you haven't visited the site lately, there have been quite a few
changes. Thanks to Lonny Beno, who provided several new catalog
illustrations, I have been able to add many new factory display layouts
from 1954, 1955, and 1957. I have also added a section on what I call
concept layouts, the layouts that maybe never existed except in the
artists conceptions that appeared in the catalogs. I have also provided
some links to photos of a re-creation of one of those layouts.

Finally, there is an honest to goodness photo of an existing factory
display layout that neither its owner nor I can identify by number.
If you think you can help, please let me know.

Dale




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62323 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGkg5yDnK8s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LRlYFRKL58&mode=related&search=

Cows and Trains just for Jim, no real cow was hurt. LOL

Mike

From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Train


NO Turkey Hill cow????

Jim


In a message dated 12/11/2010 8:43:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Trains are over looked by the Chic Fil A gang, one U of MD cow, one Penn
State Cow, one Santa cow and many Peach Bowl Cows.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62324 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Jim,

No, no Turkey Hill cow. They have a cow? No pun.

Turkey Hill makes great ice cream. LOL

Mike

From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Train


NO Turkey Hill cow????

Jim


In a message dated 12/11/2010 8:43:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Trains are over looked by the Chic Fil A gang, one U of MD cow, one Penn
State Cow, one Santa cow and many Peach Bowl Cows.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62325 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Mike,

I just happen to have a Oregon Duck here, I will remove the Catnip Rat as I sent you a picture and send you a picture with the Duck.

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Train


What? No Duck? Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/11/2010 5:43:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Ahh, the Dart Drug (Drug store in DC out of business) Mountain King
Artificial Christmas tree we got in 1982 is up.

American Flyer train is under the tree, with Reindeer box car, Christmas
tree blinking in Box Car from S Helper, repro Christmas Tree flat from 1958,
my original one is too costly to run, Cat Nip rat flat car, my original
design fitted with one large Cat Nip rat, with cat nip inside it and cat nip
rubbed over it that the late Kitty used to try to tear apart, one Bruster
the Reindeer head popping out of covered hopper and Red Rock Island Line
Caboose with S scale Mr. and Mrs. Claus on the back, like a Presidential tour.

The 2010 S Helper Christmas Car will not be here in time this year. It is
still in production.

Engine smokes and steam generator is set up too.

Trains are over looked by the Chic Fil A gang, one U of MD cow, one Penn
State Cow, one Santa cow and many Peach Bowl Cows.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62326 From: George Cohn Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
On 12/11/2010 10:33 PM, Dale Smith wrote:
> I forgot to put in a link to the website, so here it is.
> www.americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>

Thanks for the great site! And a special thanks for posting the
pictures of the 1954 dealer displays.

When I was a kid, my dad bought the #300 display from the Phelps-Dodge
Mercantile store in Morenci AZ. I still have it stored away along with
all the Mini-Craft buildings and accessories.

For the last two years I have been wanting to get it out of storage but
life and health just seems to conspire to keep it from happening.

Hopefully I will be able to get it out before next Spring so I can share
some photos and maybe a video of a couple of trains running on it.

These things are just getting rarer every day as very few probably
survived the last half century plus.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 62327 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Christmas Train
Over a dozen, fiberglass, mounted on trailers for "Special Events". NTTM
was in the Clipper Stadium ( Lancaster PA) yesterday for a radio station
promo for Christmas. Kids ran trains for hours. There WAS a cow, looked like
their new ice cream, whatever it is.
Jim

In a message dated 12/12/2010 8:07:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Jim,

No, no Turkey Hill cow. They have a cow? No pun.

Turkey Hill makes great ice cream. LOL

Mike

From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Train


NO Turkey Hill cow????

Jim


In a message dated 12/11/2010 8:43:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Trains are over looked by the Chic Fil A gang, one U of MD cow, one Penn
State Cow, one Santa cow and many Peach Bowl Cows.

Mike Marmer

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Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62328 From: richs009 Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment produced after the Gilbert years? Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" stops at the end of the Gilbert production and Patterson & Greenberg's third edition of "Greenberg's Guide to AF S Gauge" covers the early Flyonel production from 1979 to 1988. The Lionel website has a catalog archive that goes back to 2000 (vol 2 - which, incidentally, lists only one AF offering, a X-mas box car). It would be nice to have, at least, catalogs covering 1988 to 2000 or better, 1979 to 2000. Maybe this is something Chuck Harrington's terrific website, MyFlyerTrains.org could aspire to add...?

One of my reasons for asking is that there seem to be reissue versions of several diesels or electrics (PA, GP, EP-5, etc.), but its hard to tell which ones have, for example, can motors or newer electronics. Another reason is that while looking up an item in the 2008 Greenberg price guide, I see listings for a 4-6-4 in Wabash and Santa Fe road names (48200 and 48201, respectively) - purportedly issued in 1988 -- well, on closer inspection, the Greenberg guide says that the latter is "NM" (never made). so maybe that's also "nevermind"...

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 62329 From: Dave Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: BUFFALO CREEK & GAULEY Decals
#1210 BUFFALO CREEK & GAULEY 2 Bay Hopper Decal Set+ is now avalible at our web site on page DECAL-1. You can of course follow the link below to get there:


http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html


Just look under the TWIN BAY HOPPER SECTION.
Thank you all for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 62330 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/12/2010, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday December 12, 2010
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2010  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62331 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Been out of the loop for a while
I am not up to speed on opinions of the recently cataloged UP Challenger Flyonels. Wondering if there are any glowing errors on this offering (so far as anyone can tell at this point) like the trailing truck problem with the Big Boy?
With holiday cheer to all :)
Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 62332 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
TheGilbertGallery.org provides list and pictures. Is that sufficient or do you want the published catslogs?



On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:24 PM, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote:

Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment produced after the Gilbert years? Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" stops at the end of the Gilbert production and Patterson & Greenberg's third edition of "Greenberg's Guide to AF S Gauge" covers the early Flyonel production from 1979 to 1988. The Lionel website has a catalog archive that goes back to 2000 (vol 2 - which, incidentally, lists only one AF offering, a X-mas box car). It would be nice to have, at least, catalogs covering 1988 to 2000 or better, 1979 to 2000. Maybe this is something Chuck Harrington's terrific website, MyFlyerTrains.org could aspire to add...?

One of my reasons for asking is that there seem to be reissue versions of several diesels or electrics (PA, GP, EP-5, etc.), but its hard to tell which ones have, for example, can motors or newer electronics. Another reason is that while looking up an item in the 2008 Greenberg price guide, I see listings for a 4-6-4 in Wabash and Santa Fe road names (48200 and 48201, respectively) - purportedly issued in 1988 -- well, on closer inspection, the Greenberg guide says that the latter is "NM" (never made). so maybe that's also "nevermind"...

- Rich







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62333 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: THE PVMR TRAIN DISPLAY
PVMR continues to "spread the news" about toy trains. BIG Thank You to
Glenn for the pics.
Jim Lyle
____________________________________
From: gartrain404@...
To: gartrain404@...
Sent: 12/12/2010 5:41:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: THE PVMR TRAIN DISPLAY



This year the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders
were not able to set up our large layout at the
Dutchway Supermarket in Gap, PA but we
were invited to set up 2 smaller layouts at the
Leacock Presbyterian Christmas Bazaar on
Saturday, December 4 and the Paradise Township
Building on Sunday December 5 for their
Christmas tree lighting.

Enjoy the Leacock Presbyterian Christmas Bazaar .
_http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR120410.html_
(http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR120410.html)

Here was last years large layout at Dutchway.
_http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_
(http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html)

Glenn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62334 From: Robert A Persing Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
Dale great site,now I have some ideas to build a layout. Bob Persing
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:33 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website



I forgot to put in a link to the website, so here it is.
www.americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [S-Trains] Changes at the American Flyer Displays Website
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:30:21 -0800
From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

In case you haven't visited the site lately, there have been quite a few
changes. Thanks to Lonny Beno, who provided several new catalog
illustrations, I have been able to add many new factory display layouts
from 1954, 1955, and 1957. I have also added a section on what I call
concept layouts, the layouts that maybe never existed except in the
artists conceptions that appeared in the catalogs. I have also provided
some links to photos of a re-creation of one of those layouts.

Finally, there is an honest to goodness photo of an existing factory
display layout that neither its owner nor I can identify by number.
If you think you can help, please let me know.

Dale

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62335 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
The 4-6-4 Wabash Hudson was never made....Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 12/12/10, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote:


From: richs009 <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 3:24 PM


 



Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment produced after the Gilbert years? Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" stops at the end of the Gilbert production and Patterson & Greenberg's third edition of "Greenberg's Guide to AF S Gauge" covers the early Flyonel production from 1979 to 1988. The Lionel website has a catalog archive that goes back to 2000 (vol 2 - which, incidentally, lists only one AF offering, a X-mas box car). It would be nice to have, at least, catalogs covering 1988 to 2000 or better, 1979 to 2000. Maybe this is something Chuck Harrington's terrific website, MyFlyerTrains.org could aspire to add...?

One of my reasons for asking is that there seem to be reissue versions of several diesels or electrics (PA, GP, EP-5, etc.), but its hard to tell which ones have, for example, can motors or newer electronics. Another reason is that while looking up an item in the 2008 Greenberg price guide, I see listings for a 4-6-4 in Wabash and Santa Fe road names (48200 and 48201, respectively) - purportedly issued in 1988 -- well, on closer inspection, the Greenberg guide says that the latter is "NM" (never made). so maybe that's also "nevermind"...

- Rich








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62336 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/12/2010
Subject: Re: SHS sold out 3 bay PS2 hoppers
Bill Clark added the 3 bay PS2 covered hoppers to the remaining
list of sold out items. All sold out items are now on one webpage.
Somehow these we missed the first time around. You can find them at:

http://showcaseline.com/FoundCars_in_stock.html

Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 62337 From: Rance and Bente Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Been out of the loop for a while
Hi all:
Has anyone offered a fix for the trailing truck "problem" (whatever it
is, was, etc.) on the big boy?
tx
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 12/12/2010 10:11 PM, rinphoto@... wrote:
>
> Wondering if there are any glowing errors on this offering (so far as
> anyone can tell at this point) like the trailing truck problem with
> the Big Boy?
> With holiday cheer to all :)
> Roy Inman
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62338 From: richs009 Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Robert -- thanks. I've been a fan of your site also and hadn't really looked there for a "complete" compilation. Nice work. It would be nice to have the kind of detail for the post-Gilbert production that Doyle's and Greenberg's volumes provided for the Gilbert production (though they are not uniform in the details provided).

do you or anyone else know when Lionel started putting can motors in the Flyer engines?

Finally, in looking at your website, you list the Reading pacific 21085 as a picture you'd like to have. Do you still need it? I picked up that engine from eBay a few months ago and would be happy to take its picture for you... In fact, I just had it on my test stand this evening (true!). This particular version (Reading on tender) isn't mentioned in either Doyle or in the Greenberg price guide. There's a picture in the Patterson book, but the photo caption isn't right.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:
>
> TheGilbertGallery.org provides list and pictures. Is that sufficient or do you want the published catslogs?
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:24 PM, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment produced after the Gilbert years? Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" stops at the end of the Gilbert production and Patterson & Greenberg's third edition of "Greenberg's Guide to AF S Gauge" covers the early Flyonel production from 1979 to 1988. The Lionel website has a catalog archive that goes back to 2000 (vol 2 - which, incidentally, lists only one AF offering, a X-mas box car). It would be nice to have, at least, catalogs covering 1988 to 2000 or better, 1979 to 2000. Maybe this is something Chuck Harrington's terrific website, MyFlyerTrains.org could aspire to add...?
>
> One of my reasons for asking is that there seem to be reissue versions of several diesels or electrics (PA, GP, EP-5, etc.), but its hard to tell which ones have, for example, can motors or newer electronics. Another reason is that while looking up an item in the 2008 Greenberg price guide, I see listings for a 4-6-4 in Wabash and Santa Fe road names (48200 and 48201, respectively) - purportedly issued in 1988 -- well, on closer inspection, the Greenberg guide says that the latter is "NM" (never made). so maybe that's also "nevermind"...
>
> - Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62339 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Thanks
Thanks to Dale and the information and pics on this site. I really enjoyed
going back through these.



There was one layout made to the artwork in a 1946 or 1947 catalogue. From
the pics it appears that Clay Buckage or someone has built a layout. Clay
had used the technique of stacking foam or insulation and trimming it to
size. There are wonderful pictures! I wonder. Did the layout ever get
finished? Were pictures of the finished product taken? Published? When?
Where? If this layout is unfinished does Clay anticipate getting back to it?
Sorry, I just have tons of questions about it.



bigfoot







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62340 From: wyoaf Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: $15 well spent
Well, it's not exactly DCC, but over the weekend I bought a WalMart Indoor Wireless Remote RC-015. It comes with 3 plug-in receivers, though I only wanted one to control the lights on our Chrismas tree, without bending over and reaching through the prickly boughs. The other 2 were deployed in short order as well, so now I can turn on the tree, and then our Leg Lamp, and then my American Flyer set 20515 that circles the tree. Just lock the E Unit in forward, set the transformer at about "70 mph" and what appears to be a static display comes to life as if by magic. Each of the 3 receivers operate independently, and there is a button for each of the 3. Simple, straight forward and I find that I run it more often than when I had to bend down, plug in the transformer, and crank the handle. This probably will be half price if you wait, but it's worth it at 15 bucks. My only regret is that I loaded up my trusty 21085 Chicago & Northwestern steam engine with ProtoSmoke Coal scent, and unfortunately it does smell like coal, and not the Christmas sage/cedar that my family associates with American Flyer smoke. Merry Christmas. John Davis Noblesville IN
Group: S-Trains Message: 62341 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Northern Question
I have a Northern engine that I am running on some AF track, as the track is on carpeting, on cardboard.

As the engine rounds a curve, the front of the engine rises up then it sets back down once on a straight, sometimes the front wheels do not set back on the track right.

Any ideas?

The engine is mainly on my train shelves for my collection, as it wont be run on my layout, since it is DCC and I thought maybe it might be nice to run it under a Christmas Tree. So I got a Hudson under it now.

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62342 From: Al Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: $15 well spent
So where does one get this ProtoSmoke Coal scent smoke fluid? I haven't heard of it. So it does really smell like coal smoke???
Al Baker
Portland, OR




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wyoaf" <wyoaf@...> wrote:
>
> Well, it's not exactly DCC, but over the weekend I bought a WalMart Indoor Wireless Remote RC-015. It comes with 3 plug-in receivers, though I only wanted one to control the lights on our Chrismas tree, without bending over and reaching through the prickly boughs. The other 2 were deployed in short order as well, so now I can turn on the tree, and then our Leg Lamp, and then my American Flyer set 20515 that circles the tree. Just lock the E Unit in forward, set the transformer at about "70 mph" and what appears to be a static display comes to life as if by magic. Each of the 3 receivers operate independently, and there is a button for each of the 3. Simple, straight forward and I find that I run it more often than when I had to bend down, plug in the transformer, and crank the handle. This probably will be half price if you wait, but it's worth it at 15 bucks. My only regret is that I loaded up my trusty 21085 Chicago & Northwestern steam engine with ProtoSmoke Coal scent, and unfortunately it does smell like coal, and not the Christmas sage/cedar that my family associates with American Flyer smoke. Merry Christmas. John Davis Noblesville IN
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62343 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
I think the problem is the way the track is on the floor not very stable.

It takes 3 curves fine, but one not too good.

I tried to switch track around, still the same curve, just the force of the track I think.

So, I will stick with the Hudson.

Mike

From: Neil Trump
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:43 PM
To: mlmarmer@...
Cc: S Trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Mike,

I remember having this problem and I can't remember what the problem was now.

Things to look for are the rims, are they the early low height pul mor rims as these tend to ride up as you describe.

Is the back to back on the drivers out.

Loose rims is another

I can't think of anything else at the moment

Regards,

Neil

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Dec 2010, at 17:57, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:



I have a Northern engine that I am running on some AF track, as the track is on carpeting, on cardboard.

As the engine rounds a curve, the front of the engine rises up then it sets back down once on a straight, sometimes the front wheels do not set back on the track right.

Any ideas?

The engine is mainly on my train shelves for my collection, as it wont be run on my layout, since it is DCC and I thought maybe it might be nice to run it under a Christmas Tree. So I got a Hudson under it now.

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62344 From: Neil Trump Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Mike,

I remember having this problem and I can't remember what the problem was now.

Things to look for are the rims, are they the early low height pul mor rims as these tend to ride up as you describe.

Is the back to back on the drivers out.

Loose rims is another

I can't think of anything else at the moment

Regards,

Neil

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Dec 2010, at 17:57, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> I have a Northern engine that I am running on some AF track, as the track is on carpeting, on cardboard.
>
> As the engine rounds a curve, the front of the engine rises up then it sets back down once on a straight, sometimes the front wheels do not set back on the track right.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> The engine is mainly on my train shelves for my collection, as it wont be run on my layout, since it is DCC and I thought maybe it might be nice to run it under a Christmas Tree. So I got a Hudson under it now.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
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>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62345 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: $15 well spent
http://204.156.4.220/external/panel2.asp

When in need of information, use Google.

I found it as it is made by MTH.

Selected dealers on the MTH website, item 60-1047.

Mike
From: Al
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: $15 well spent


So where does one get this ProtoSmoke Coal scent smoke fluid? I haven't heard of it. So it does really smell like coal smoke???
Al Baker
Portland, OR

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "wyoaf" <wyoaf@...> wrote:
>
> Well, it's not exactly DCC, but over the weekend I bought a WalMart Indoor Wireless Remote RC-015. It comes with 3 plug-in receivers, though I only wanted one to control the lights on our Chrismas tree, without bending over and reaching through the prickly boughs. The other 2 were deployed in short order as well, so now I can turn on the tree, and then our Leg Lamp, and then my American Flyer set 20515 that circles the tree. Just lock the E Unit in forward, set the transformer at about "70 mph" and what appears to be a static display comes to life as if by magic. Each of the 3 receivers operate independently, and there is a button for each of the 3. Simple, straight forward and I find that I run it more often than when I had to bend down, plug in the transformer, and crank the handle. This probably will be half price if you wait, but it's worth it at 15 bucks. My only regret is that I loaded up my trusty 21085 Chicago & Northwestern steam engine with ProtoSmoke Coal scent, and unfortunately it does smell like coal, and not the Christmas sage/cedar that my family associates with American Flyer smoke. Merry Christmas. John Davis Noblesville IN
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62346 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Sounds like the track is lifting. I've had the same problem whenever running on carpet. Tack the track down, it'll also cure the orher problem that goes with heavy trains- the track will walk- John Marganski























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62347 From: Timboy Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I finished the section I've been working on. I'm happy with the way it turned out and it's time to start another section.

To see my progress, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62348 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Issue with the Northern, runs better on larger curves. We had a Hudson
doing the same thing on the PVMR layout the other evening, we reversed
direction of travel, settled down and behaved. Jeff owns it and said it
customarily ran the OTHER way.Go figure.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/13/2010 1:13:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

I have a Northern engine that I am running on some AF track, as the track
is on carpeting, on cardboard.

As the engine rounds a curve, the front of the engine rises up then it
sets back down once on a straight, sometimes the front wheels do not set back
on the track right.

Any ideas?

The engine is mainly on my train shelves for my collection, as it wont be
run on my layout, since it is DCC and I thought maybe it might be nice to
run it under a Christmas Tree. So I got a Hudson under it now.

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62349 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
If one wishes for no more than a listing of items, the latest (2011)
Greenberg pocket guide is complete. Any engine with TMCC has "CC" -- command
control -- in its descriptor. The only L-AF engines that do NOT have can motors
are the first issue 8150 SP and 8153 B&O powered PA's from 1981. I know
that the GB listing is now pretty close to correct because (a-hem) I went
through it for Kalmbach for 2011. ;-))

There is still some silly stuff in the Gilbert AF section, however.

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 12/13/2010 6:00:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment
produced after the Gilbert years?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62350 From: rick gough Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
That's due to wear of the flange. Run mostly one way for years and the outside driver flange will get worn in a rounded off sort of way while the inside one will hardly wear. Switch the front drive wheels or replace the worn one and it'll stay on the track going in the direction you want.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 1:29 PM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62351 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Thanks to all who answered as I solved the problem

It was the track, as it only did it on one curve.

I did have cardboard under the track.

But one the track pins was not in correct, as putting track together under a tree is a bit difficult.

Got that corrected and replaced a curve with looks like indented plyer mark at the end of the rail.

Runs fine not, can not go to fast, as it does pull a bit to the outside.

I will probably put the Hudson back on, as it is fine.

Thanks again.

Mike
From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


Issue with the Northern, runs better on larger curves. We had a Hudson
doing the same thing on the PVMR layout the other evening, we reversed
direction of travel, settled down and behaved. Jeff owns it and said it
customarily ran the OTHER way.Go figure.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/13/2010 1:13:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

I have a Northern engine that I am running on some AF track, as the track
is on carpeting, on cardboard.

As the engine rounds a curve, the front of the engine rises up then it
sets back down once on a straight, sometimes the front wheels do not set back
on the track right.

Any ideas?

The engine is mainly on my train shelves for my collection, as it wont be
run on my layout, since it is DCC and I thought maybe it might be nice to
run it under a Christmas Tree. So I got a Hudson under it now.

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62352 From: rick gough Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Make sure the rims are not set too wide for the curves. Outside flange measurement should be 7/8" or a bit less. Need some play there over the rail.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: "Neil Trump" <neil.trump@...>
Cc: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 12:09 PM


 



I think the problem is the way the track is on the floor not very stable.

It takes 3 curves fine, but one not too good.

I tried to switch track around, still the same curve, just the force of the track I think.

So, I will stick with the Hudson.

Mike

From: Neil Trump
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:43 PM
To: mlmarmer@...
Cc: S Trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Mike,

I remember having this problem and I can't remember what the problem was now.

Things to look for are the rims, are they the early low height pul mor rims as these tend to ride up as you describe.

Is the back to back on the drivers out.

Loose rims is another

I can't think of anything else at the moment

Regards,

Neil

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Dec 2010, at 17:57, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

I have a Northern engine that I am running on some AF track, as the track is on carpeting, on cardboard.

As the engine rounds a curve, the front of the engine rises up then it sets back down once on a straight, sometimes the front wheels do not set back on the track right.

Any ideas?

The engine is mainly on my train shelves for my collection, as it wont be run on my layout, since it is DCC and I thought maybe it might be nice to run it under a Christmas Tree. So I got a Hudson under it now.

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62353 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: $15 well spent
I used that coal scent smoke once and you are definitely correct. It
does smell like coal. Not too bad in the garage, but I got a little
concerned from looking at it. I could see very tiny black dots
suspended in the solution, which I assume was microscopic bits of coal
powder. I didn't want to take any chances of gumming up the unit so I
didn't even finish the bottle.

Dale

On 12/13/2010 9:09 AM, wyoaf wrote:
>
> ...My only regret is that I loaded up my trusty 21085 Chicago &
> Northwestern steam engine with ProtoSmoke Coal scent, and
> unfortunately it does smell like coal, and not the Christmas
> sage/cedar that my family associates with American Flyer smoke. Merry
> Christmas. John Davis Noblesville IN
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62354 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Are you sure you want the smell of coal smoke in your house? Have you ever smelled real coal smoke? It has a nasty sulfurus odor! Besides, ProtoSmoke doesn't work well in anything but MTH smoke units. Likewise, other fluids don't do as well in MTH units.
Many of the "scented" smoke fluids are not to good. Some have that "really cheap deodorant" type smell, no matter what the scent is supposed to be.
Be REAL careful to try just a little of whatever you get, and be prepared to quickly add regular smoke fluid to cover the bad stuff as much as possible.
Take it from someone who experimented at the hobby shop for several years! I once emptied the place with a ProtoSmoke "Evergreen" that smelled nothing like pine trees and more like something the Dollar Store threw away. Bacon & Eggs was nasty too. Cedar was okay, but pretty strong.
Of course, your taste may vary. But we had women begging their husbands to get the regular smoke after experience with most scented ones!
Personally, I'd stick with a known type if at all possible. Anormal 1 is a favorite, similar to old Gilbert and works VERY well in old Flyer smoke units. I like Seuthe fluid too. Lionel and Super Smoke smells and works just "okay."
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62355 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
If I have a catalog to add to my flyer trains, who do I contact? 1947, D1462
Harwood









-----Original Message-----
From: rbubeck327 <rbubeck327@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:37 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?





If one wishes for no more than a listing of items, the latest (2011)
Greenberg pocket guide is complete. Any engine with TMCC has "CC" -- command
control -- in its descriptor. The only L-AF engines that do NOT have can motors
are the first issue 8150 SP and 8153 B&O powered PA's from 1981. I know
that the GB listing is now pretty close to correct because (a-hem) I went
through it for Kalmbach for 2011. ;-))

There is still some silly stuff in the Gilbert AF section, however.

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 12/13/2010 6:00:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment
produced after the Gilbert years?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62356 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62357 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
Thanks Rick and thanks again for the tip on the truck from diecast direct.

It is running fine as I got this engine in October up in Maine. Part of a set.

It is holding the track well, as it is just for Christmas as I probably will go back to the Hudson I was using too.

Mike
From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


That's due to wear of the flange. Run mostly one way for years and the outside driver flange will get worn in a rounded off sort of way while the inside one will hardly wear. Switch the front drive wheels or replace the worn one and it'll stay on the track going in the direction you want.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com>
Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 1:29 PM

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62358 From: Al Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Thanks to all that have replied. To answer a few, yes I do know the smell of real coal smoke. I grew up in Altoona, PA when steamers were still running. Lots of smoke! And more recently I have been on excursions with coal fueled steamers. But I do get turned off smelling the various scented fluids now available. The coal scented sounds fun at least for ocassional use.

Questions: Has anybody that has actually used the MTH variety had problems with either original AF, AM, or "L" steamers?

How about the possible black dots that Dale mentioned. Any other input on that aspect? Do you think I'll get black lung disease if I breath too much of it (I don't know if I am serious or joking!)?

Thanks in advance.
Al



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Are you sure you want the smell of coal smoke in your house? Have you ever smelled real coal smoke? It has a nasty sulfurus odor! Besides, ProtoSmoke doesn't work well in anything but MTH smoke units. Likewise, other fluids don't do as well in MTH units.
> Many of the "scented" smoke fluids are not to good. Some have that "really cheap deodorant" type smell, no matter what the scent is supposed to be.
> Be REAL careful to try just a little of whatever you get, and be prepared to quickly add regular smoke fluid to cover the bad stuff as much as possible.
> Take it from someone who experimented at the hobby shop for several years! I once emptied the place with a ProtoSmoke "Evergreen" that smelled nothing like pine trees and more like something the Dollar Store threw away. Bacon & Eggs was nasty too. Cedar was okay, but pretty strong.
> Of course, your taste may vary. But we had women begging their husbands to get the regular smoke after experience with most scented ones!
> Personally, I'd stick with a known type if at all possible. Anormal 1 is a favorite, similar to old Gilbert and works VERY well in old Flyer smoke units. I like Seuthe fluid too. Lionel and Super Smoke smells and works just "okay."
> Stumpy in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62359 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
Harwood.... Contact Chuck Harrington at myflyertrains@... .... He just finished several of my catalogs for me..... He has copied the Salesman book, the Press Kit and others that I have.... Bob

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:


From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 6:31 PM


 




If I have a catalog to add to my flyer trains, who do I contact? 1947, D1462
Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: rbubeck327 <rbubeck327@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:37 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?

If one wishes for no more than a listing of items, the latest (2011)
Greenberg pocket guide is complete. Any engine with TMCC has "CC" -- command
control -- in its descriptor. The only L-AF engines that do NOT have can motors
are the first issue 8150 SP and 8153 B&O powered PA's from 1981. I know
that the GB listing is now pretty close to correct because (a-hem) I went
through it for Kalmbach for 2011. ;-))

There is still some silly stuff in the Gilbert AF section, however.

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 12/13/2010 6:00:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment
produced after the Gilbert years?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62360 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Al,

Why not ask MTH. Send them a email with your concerns.

If they do not answer, then forget it.

Good luck.

Mike

From: Al
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:50 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Do you really want Coal Smoke?


Thanks to all that have replied. To answer a few, yes I do know the smell of real coal smoke. I grew up in Altoona, PA when steamers were still running. Lots of smoke! And more recently I have been on excursions with coal fueled steamers. But I do get turned off smelling the various scented fluids now available. The coal scented sounds fun at least for ocassional use.

Questions: Has anybody that has actually used the MTH variety had problems with either original AF, AM, or "L" steamers?

How about the possible black dots that Dale mentioned. Any other input on that aspect? Do you think I'll get black lung disease if I breath too much of it (I don't know if I am serious or joking!)?

Thanks in advance.
Al

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Are you sure you want the smell of coal smoke in your house? Have you ever smelled real coal smoke? It has a nasty sulfurus odor! Besides, ProtoSmoke doesn't work well in anything but MTH smoke units. Likewise, other fluids don't do as well in MTH units.
> Many of the "scented" smoke fluids are not to good. Some have that "really cheap deodorant" type smell, no matter what the scent is supposed to be.
> Be REAL careful to try just a little of whatever you get, and be prepared to quickly add regular smoke fluid to cover the bad stuff as much as possible.
> Take it from someone who experimented at the hobby shop for several years! I once emptied the place with a ProtoSmoke "Evergreen" that smelled nothing like pine trees and more like something the Dollar Store threw away. Bacon & Eggs was nasty too. Cedar was okay, but pretty strong.
> Of course, your taste may vary. But we had women begging their husbands to get the regular smoke after experience with most scented ones!
> Personally, I'd stick with a known type if at all possible. Anormal 1 is a favorite, similar to old Gilbert and works VERY well in old Flyer smoke units. I like Seuthe fluid too. Lionel and Super Smoke smells and works just "okay."
> Stumpy in Appalachia.
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62361 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?
I believe the owner has a contact link on that site.

Mike

From: HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?



If I have a catalog to add to my flyer trains, who do I contact? 1947, D1462
Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: rbubeck327 <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com>
To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:37 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: compilation of post-Gilbert Flyer?

If one wishes for no more than a listing of items, the latest (2011)
Greenberg pocket guide is complete. Any engine with TMCC has "CC" -- command
control -- in its descriptor. The only L-AF engines that do NOT have can motors
are the first issue 8150 SP and 8153 B&O powered PA's from 1981. I know
that the GB listing is now pretty close to correct because (a-hem) I went
through it for Kalmbach for 2011. ;-))

There is still some silly stuff in the Gilbert AF section, however.

Bob Bubeck

In a message dated 12/13/2010 6:00:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes:

Does anyone know of a compilation (or more than one) of Flyer equipment
produced after the Gilbert years?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62362 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
Now the trailing truck on the 336 jumps the track.

I went back to the Hudson, as when you use the Steam Whistle Generator, it does not effect the speed.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question



Thanks Rick and thanks again for the tip on the truck from diecast direct.

It is running fine as I got this engine in October up in Maine. Part of a set.

It is holding the track well, as it is just for Christmas as I probably will go back to the Hudson I was using too.

Mike
From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:30 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

That's due to wear of the flange. Run mostly one way for years and the outside driver flange will get worn in a rounded off sort of way while the inside one will hardly wear. Switch the front drive wheels or replace the worn one and it'll stay on the track going in the direction you want.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com>
Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 1:29 PM

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62363 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: SHS Ore Car Sets
Ladies and Gentlemen ( train folks of ALL ages ),

I have BOTH SHS 5 car ore car sets, Bessemer & Lake Erie, Set "A", #
00728 & Set "B" # 01412 NEW IN BOX. Doubt the boxes have ever been opened.
Retail is $ 179.95 Per Set, will sell BOTH for $ 350.00 . Shipping $12.00
(either or both in US only), PA Sales Tx if applicable. Prefer USPS Money
order.
Also have a few SHS single ore cars, also NEW in Box, and a few ore car
loads, $ 6.00 each.
Please reply off list if interested.
Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62364 From: rick gough Date: 12/13/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM


 



Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62365 From: David Dewey Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Coal Smell smoke Fluid & driver flange wear
Hi all,
Supersmoke also had "coal" scented smoke fluid. I tried a little bit
once--too stinky!! Too much realism! Besides, I grew up in oil fired
country.
Yes, driver flanges can wear sharp, just like the real trains can. I
once worked on 316 that had excessive wear on the left front and right rear
driver flanges. I told the owner, "Stop running your train clockwise under
the tree every year, and run it counterclockwise every other year!"
"HOW did you know I run it clockwise????!!"
Sometimes our toy trains do replicate prototypes very realistically!
S'
David "Secret S Agent" Dewey
Group: S-Trains Message: 62366 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Do you really want Coal Smoke?
Our tests of smoke fluids at the hobby shop were brief, usually one filling or just a few drops for each locomotive depending on type of smoke unit. Therefore, I don't know if longer term use would damage anything.
The reason that MTH ProtoSmoke didn't work as well in other units or other fluids didn't work well in MTH units was due to how the fluid was blended. MTH uses fan driven smoke units, while the others use wick types or cup and element types. We were told by MTH techies that the base "oil" has to be thinner or heavier for one type or the other for best effect.
Suethe smoke units are the most "fragile" of all that I have used, so stick with the right stuff for them and keep fluid in them as they burn up easiliy. Lionel uses a version of this type and seems to "underpower" it to make it last longer, but the trade off is that it often doesn't produce as much smoke.
Otherwise, my guess would be that the biggest difference would be smoke production, the correct fluid in the correct unit doing the best job.
Stumpy Stone...formerly with G&M Train & Hobby in Martins Ferry, Ohio...now gone, but not forgotten.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62367 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Drive-in Theatre?
A while back someone mentioned that you could make a drive-in theatre on a lay-out by using a portable DVD player. Has anyone done this? If so, how did you mount the DVD player, and is there a brand that might work better than others? As I recall I think it was a 7" that was suggested. Any thoughts or pictures that could be shared would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62368 From: John Davis Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: coal smoke
Since I sort of started this by praising the WalMart remote unit, I must say that the ProtoSmoke Coal Scent works (smokes) very well and has good longevity between applications.  My family used to "pew" about the smell of American Flyer smoke, but they too appear to have grown nostalgic for it.  The Anormal 1 smells like the Gilbert smoke I remember.  The Coal scent isn't bad smelling, and it likely will trigger memories for you of the prototype, or of renactment shows where a blacksmith has a coal fire.  I have not tried the bacon&egg, or wet dog, or dirty socks etc formulae either.    / john davis.  



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62369 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Coal Smell smoke Fluid & driver flange wear
Years ago I used to sell "G" packages to stores.... Made a good profit extra because they would ALWAYS RUN THE TRAINS IN ONE DIRECTION!!!!! The plastic car wheels went the fastest.... Yes i had told the to reverse at times.... Oh Well..... Bob C

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote:


From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Coal Smell smoke Fluid & driver flange wear
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:14 AM


 



Hi all,
Supersmoke also had "coal" scented smoke fluid. I tried a little bit
once--too stinky!! Too much realism! Besides, I grew up in oil fired
country.
Yes, driver flanges can wear sharp, just like the real trains can. I
once worked on 316 that had excessive wear on the left front and right rear
driver flanges. I told the owner, "Stop running your train clockwise under
the tree every year, and run it counterclockwise every other year!"
"HOW did you know I run it clockwise????!!"
Sometimes our toy trains do replicate prototypes very realistically!
S'
David "Secret S Agent" Dewey








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62370 From: LB Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Oil Supply Depot # 768 Question
Does anyone know how to remove the oil piping from the base of the depot? I need to repaint as the paint is peeling off in sheets. Is it better to leave in place and mask it off?

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 62371 From: Timboy Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I started a new section today and got a lot of it completed! Now I have to let paint, plaster and "oatmeal" dry before I do more.

For more details and pics, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62373 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM



Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62374 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Smoke
Okay, speaking of smoke, I have some questions about putting smoke in a AF engine.

I am not a operator of AF engines on my layout, as I have DCC and I use S Helper engines and Crest Smoke fluid. I know to only put a few drops in the engine.

But for a AF Hudson, I put some fluid in, Super smoke as the engine smoked well.

For two days, it did not smoke much, but now it is smoking again.

Did I “flood” the unit with fluid?

How many drops should you put in a AF unit.

As long as it is smoking then no need to put smoke in till it sort of stops?

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62375 From: rick gough Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM


 



Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62376 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM



Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62377 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
More likely "air blocked" it. Common problem, it seems.

Jim


In a message dated 12/14/2010 5:03:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Did I “flood” the unit with fluid?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62378 From: rick gough Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM


 



It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62379 From: rick gough Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Some say 10 drops .... the smoke chambers can handle a lot more than that. I don't like to run out because than you are burning wick so as soon as smoke volume tapers off i recharge it. You may have clogged the little air passage up to the stack with oil. blowing down the stack will usually clear it. Keep fluid in your shelf queens so the wicks don't dry out.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 1:24 PM


 



Okay, speaking of smoke, I have some questions about putting smoke in a AF engine.

I am not a operator of AF engines on my layout, as I have DCC and I use S Helper engines and Crest Smoke fluid. I know to only put a few drops in the engine.

But for a AF Hudson, I put some fluid in, Super smoke as the engine smoked well.

For two days, it did not smoke much, but now it is smoking again.

Did I “flood” the unit with fluid?

How many drops should you put in a AF unit.

As long as it is smoking then no need to put smoke in till it sort of stops?

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62380 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Hi Ruth:

I constructed one use an RCA DVD player, but I think just about any kind would work.  Here is a picture.

http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20101112/IMAG0377.jpg

Len

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:

From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:56 AM







 









A while back someone mentioned that you could make a drive-in theatre on a lay-out by using a portable DVD player. Has anyone done this? If so, how did you mount the DVD player, and is there a brand that might work better than others? As I recall I think it was a 7" that was suggested. Any thoughts or pictures that could be shared would be appreciated.



Thanks,



Mike Leahy























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62382 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
It is!

This came in many sets, but especially in the 20740 set with the 1958 Hudson that I had as a kid.

It died on me, as I got this one on eBay, brand new in the box as the instruction paper has March 1958 on it.

These are eBay from time to time.

It is a treasure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM



It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62383 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Thanks again Rick, as I know the chamber is big and I know you don’t want to dry it out.

10 drops sounds good.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:41 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke


Some say 10 drops .... the smoke chambers can handle a lot more than that. I don't like to run out because than you are burning wick so as soon as smoke volume tapers off i recharge it. You may have clogged the little air passage up to the stack with oil. blowing down the stack will usually clear it. Keep fluid in your shelf queens so the wicks don't dry out.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke
To: "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 1:24 PM



Okay, speaking of smoke, I have some questions about putting smoke in a AF engine.

I am not a operator of AF engines on my layout, as I have DCC and I use S Helper engines and Crest Smoke fluid. I know to only put a few drops in the engine.

But for a AF Hudson, I put some fluid in, Super smoke as the engine smoked well.

For two days, it did not smoke much, but now it is smoking again.

Did I “flood” the unit with fluid?

How many drops should you put in a AF unit.

As long as it is smoking then no need to put smoke in till it sort of stops?

Thanks.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62384 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
yes, I did blow in the smoke stack, but it is smoking now.

thanks Jim, as I am a rookie with these things at age 55. LOL

Mike

From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke


More likely "air blocked" it. Common problem, it seems.

Jim


In a message dated 12/14/2010 5:03:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Did I “flood” the unit with fluid?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62385 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Hi All,

I threw away the Lionel twine and added some black air hoses to my track gang. The hoses are a little too stiff to suit me, but they beat the $%&$ out of that stupid twine - lol.

Luckily Katy is on the warm side of that major cold wave, so I made a video of the track gang working hard under the hot Texas sun! You can view the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ

While you're at YouTube, check out my other videos too!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62386 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Autos for layout
Attention,
If you have a TSC store (Tractor Supply Company), near you, they have 30% off on Ertl toys till Christmas. There should be some the right size to use on your layout.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62387 From: billnovak99 Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Digital Dynamics
I've been trying to reach Digital Dynamics for two weeks now regarding purchase of a Motor Mite to convert an American Models F7 to TMCC. I've left voice mail messages, sent an e-mail and even order the MM but have had absolutely no response from them. Does anyone know if they are in fact in business, or if they are, otherwise having some sort of problem?

Bill Novak
Group: S-Trains Message: 62388 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Rare Fly
In the Washington Post today, Health Section, it was reported that scientists have found the fare hairy fly, last seen in 1948, Mormotomiya Hirsuta also known as the “terrible hairy fly”.

Heck they all moved to New Haven to take up residence in the AC Gilbert Dairy barn that was used to harvest flies for chemistry sets.

Some did also migrate to Ontario.

News you could use or do without. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLBXb1kgMo Black Fly song which does have a train in it.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62390 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
David,

Nicely done, looks pretty good.

What kind of glue did you use.

Did you use wire, if so what size.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:45 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted


Hi All,

I threw away the Lionel twine and added some black air hoses to my track gang. The hoses are a little too stiff to suit me, but they beat the $%&$ out of that stupid twine - lol.

Luckily Katy is on the warm side of that major cold wave, so I made a video of the track gang working hard under the hot Texas sun! You can view the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ

While you're at YouTube, check out my other videos too!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62391 From: Brady Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: 12B Transformer
I saw this on trainz.com

http://www.trainz.com/p-206084-af-12b-250-watt-transformer-wreverse-button.aspx

It states that the red lights typically do not come on with AF transformers when the circuit breaker is activated - is this correct??

Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62393 From: Bob Moyer Date: 12/14/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
To All:

There was an article in CTT in the last three years. (anyone help with the
specific issue) That showed how to use a DVD player as a drive in screen.
From what I recall the article was extensive and the result looked good.

Regards

Bob Moyer

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Ruth:
>
> I constructed one use an RCA DVD player, but I think just about any kind
> would work. Here is a picture.
>
> http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20101112/IMAG0377.jpg
>
> Len
>
> --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...<ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@... <ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu>>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre?
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:56 AM
>
>
>
> A while back someone mentioned that you could make a drive-in theatre on a
> lay-out by using a portable DVD player. Has anyone done this? If so, how did
> you mount the DVD player, and is there a brand that might work better than
> others? As I recall I think it was a 7" that was suggested. Any thoughts or
> pictures that could be shared would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
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>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62394 From: richs009 Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
I have a 12B - not to mention an 18B and a 30B - and in all those cases, the red light comes on when the CB trips. Way back when, as a kid I also had an 8B (or maybe it was a 5B) and when the CB tripped the red light came on. So, I dunno. That's certainly not been my experience. Since the CB on these things is 'mechanical', I wonder if the failure of the red light to come on is simply dirty contacts or one of the contacts out of adjustment...?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> I saw this on trainz.com
>
> http://www.trainz.com/p-206084-af-12b-250-watt-transformer-wreverse-button.aspx
>
> It states that the red lights typically do not come on with AF transformers when the circuit breaker is activated - is this correct??
>
> Thanks
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62395 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Brady -

I think it states that they didn't get it working. Last time I worked on one of
these, I had to take the circuit breaker apart and adjust it. The description
says there is rust - a definite indication that there are likely to be problems
inside. Lastly - I bought a prewar mail car from these folks stated to be in
very good condition and when I opened the box, I could smell the new paint smell
- the inside had rust. Given the description, I would not be interested in this
(likely to be fire hazard) even with a new cord. Especially with a non
functioning circuit breaker/indicator.

I have many Gilbert transformers with circuit breakers where the red light comes
on/flashes when there is an overload.

Bill




________________________________
From: Brady <brady@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:45:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transformer

 
I saw this on trainz.com

http://www.trainz.com/p-206084-af-12b-250-watt-transformer-wreverse-button.aspx

It states that the red lights typically do not come on with AF transformers when
the circuit breaker is activated - is this correct??

Thanks

Brady Burdge







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62396 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: D.D.
Hi Bill,
I do not know the state of D.D. and I hope that they are not gone because I have
a few projects that I am hoping do do with some of their products. If you can
not reach them consider Electric Railroad, they are located in California. They
have driver boards for TMCC, the Mini Commander 2 to use with the dc can motors
as are used in the A.M. engines, that are actually smaller than the D.D. boards.
I have done a fair amount of business with them and found them to be very
responsive and helpful.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62398 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: D.D.
Website has a phone number if you really want to get ahold of them.

If disconnected, then if could be bad news.

I am sure they have normal jobs too, but 2 weeks is a long time not to answer.

Mike

From: Ray Puls
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:57 AM
To: billnovak99@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] D.D.


Hi Bill,
I do not know the state of D.D. and I hope that they are not gone because I have
a few projects that I am hoping do do with some of their products. If you can
not reach them consider Electric Railroad, they are located in California. They
have driver boards for TMCC, the Mini Commander 2 to use with the dc can motors
as are used in the A.M. engines, that are actually smaller than the D.D. boards.
I have done a fair amount of business with them and found them to be very
responsive and helpful.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62399 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: coal smoke
I tried the bacon and egg, smells like burning oil.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62400 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem.... Not as you have stated....Bob Conner

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From: Brady <brady@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transformer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 11:45 PM


 



I saw this on trainz.com

http://www.trainz.com/p-206084-af-12b-250-watt-transformer-wreverse-button.aspx

It states that the red lights typically do not come on with AF transformers when the circuit breaker is activated - is this correct??

Thanks

Brady Burdge








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62401 From: rogerw53@comcast.net Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Nathalie Darras
Group: S-Trains Message: 62402 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Fw: U of MD Milk Cap and trains tie in
LOL

I have been emailing someone at the U of MD Alumni association as I in my
milk bottle collection I have a very unique U of MD waxed cardboard milk
bottle cap from the 1930s or 40s. I have a very unique Terrapin on it that
I have never seen before.

She is interested in me donating the cap, as I emailed the person who sold
me this, to see if I can get another one from him, as I think he has some
more.

But in my emails to her about MD things, as I told her about MD things on my
baseball wall at my ballpark on the layout it turns out her Dad, I think now
gone, was a big RR buff.

A small world.

The FSU Blimp, a story for another time.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Turkos
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:22 AM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: Re: U of MD Milk Cap

Mike--It's been fun trying to keep pace with all your stories this
morning. Never heard about the FSU blimp incident, but I am glad that
the university sent them some money to help cover the replacement cost
of this piece. Student behavior at sporting events on campus is a
constant sore subject here, and I can only hope for improvement in the
near future.

I agree with you about the limited marketing of Terp gear. Places like
Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State have us totally beat in that
department. I think we miss lots of opportunities with our alumni, and
again, I can only hope that situation improves over time. There's a lot
more in our bookstore on campus these days, and the Book Exchange is
still going strong, but we need to get all of that placed in many other
locations as well.

My dad was a rail buff and had a layout in our basement for many years.
He never did much with it, preferring to focus on collecting other
materials about his favorite railroad, the Great Northern; we had menus,
calendars, time tables, shop drawings for equipment, china, photos and
slides, just tons and tons and tons of stuff. But we always enjoyed
going to visit the great layouts that others created, especially at the
various NMRA conventions we attended as a family. Your layout sounds
quite spectacular, and I am so pleased that the Terps are represented in
such a prominent way!

Best,
Anne

Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> The only bad thing here is that Linda who went to Hood College, wears too
> much Penn State things, like Sweatshirts, shirts, etc..
>
> LOL
>
> Her Dad went to PSU and is a avid Football fanatic.
>
> Of course MD only beat PSU one time in 1961 or so. As they lost over 30
> times to PSU.
>
> We have a zillion Penn State HO cars, as they did one once a year.
>
> But then in 1985, MD was rated pre season number 1 in 1985 or so, as they
> opened at home against PSU.
>
> It was over a 100 on the field as MD was winning with less then a minute
> to go, MD fumbled near the goal line getting ready to score and PSU ran it
> back for a winning touchdown.
>
> MD did not win any championship that year, but MD does have a Football and
> Basketball championship while Penn State only has 2 in football.
>
> But I still love Linda even so. LOL
>
> It is amazing how much Penn State are made for gift shoppes either at all
> the zillion stores at PSU or on line. For any one item, it seems they
> have a 100 variations.
>
> I think there is only one MD gift shop on US 1, besides the MD book
> exchange.
>
> Oh, I do have a train layout that will be in a National train model
> magazine soon, and I have a scale baseball field on it. I had a friend
> make me some MD decals, with the new Terrapin logo, the mean looking one,
> lol, and Terps, script. I did make a box car, but I have these decals on
> the baseball wall, But the real reason I am writing about this, I made a
> Terrapin Taco sign too. A institution that is missed. Too bad they had
> to move and have higher rent and of course competition. The Spanish
> looking Terrapin was something on the menu I have, as I will scan it, But
> the outside sign they had a little bit more racy, probably not politically
> correct today.
>
> On a side note, I had a long career in food sales, and I used to work
> College Park. I sold food to the Fraternity and Sorority houses. I am
> so glad I never lived in a frat house! Oh mine, I think they cleaned the
> place once a year.
>
> Anyway, sorry for the rambling as I know you are busy with things.
>
> Best.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne Turkos
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:23 AM
> To: Michael & Linda Marmer
> Subject: Re: U of MD Milk Cap
>
> Dear Mike--Sounds like you have some great UM memorabilia in your
> personal collection! If you could locate another cap for us that would
> be terrific! I vaguely remember seeing those railroad cars in the
> bookstore in the late 1990s, but I never knew the story behind them.
> That's quite the tale! I would love to have a picture of your car, when
> you have a chance.
>
> Thanks for passing all of this info along to the Archives. It's always
> terrific to add to our knowledge of Terp-obilia that's out there!
>
> All the best,
> Anne
>
> Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>> Hi Anne,
>>
>> I am the owner of the milk cap, as a glass U of MD milk bottle was in a
>> newsletter.
>>
>> Let me try to contact the person who I brought this from and I think he
>> might have another cap I can buy and donate to you.
>>
>> I also have a HO train box car for the U of MD 1953 Championship football
>> season, that was allowed to be made by someone in NC who owned a hardware
>> store.
>>
>> He made a series of box cars for each ACC school and a championship for
>> something. For example, there is a Wake Forest car for a NCAA baseball
>> title in 1957. I did not know that WF won that.
>>
>> The sad part he was allowed by the NCAA to make these cars, as I got this
>> car at the MD book store in 1996 at the Student Union and the man never
>> paid his fees needed to the NCAA! Sadly he committed suicide!
>>
>> I will get you a picture of the car, if you like.
>>
>> I will get back to you on the milk cap.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anne Turkos
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>> To: Michael & Linda Marmer
>> Cc: Alumni Association
>> Subject: Re: U of MD Milk Cap
>>
>> Dear Mr. Marmer--The Alumni Association staff forwarded me your image of
>> the milk bottle cap. If I am interpreting your message below correctly,
>> this image appeared in a newsletter that you receive, and you do not
>> personally own this piece. I am very intrigued by the cap, and I agree
>> with you that this is a terrapin shape that I have never seen before.
>> We do have a couple of waxed milk cartons that the Dairy once used as
>> well as some of the glass bottles, but nothing on this order. Did the
>> newsletter have any contact information about the owner of this cap? I
>> would love to contact him/her and see if I could coax a donation of this
>> piece out of the current owner....
>>
>> Thank you so much for bringing this piece to our attention! It's a
>> great artifact from our history!
>>
>> Anne Turkos
>>
>> Alumni Association wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your message. By way of this response, I am forwarding your
>>> e-mail to Anne Turkos, our University Archivist. She will be able to
>>> assist you, but if you have further questions or concerns, please feel
>>> free to let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks and go Terps!
>>> Swapna Bhatia, Alumni Communications
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mlmarmer@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:51 PM
>>> To: Alumni Association
>>> Subject: U of MD Milk Cap
>>>
>>> I thought you might like to see this U of MD milk cap, probably from
>>> the 1930s or 40s.
>>>
>>> As you know MD had a dairy on campus and probably had bottled milk for
>>> the dorms, etc. This was done on many campuses.
>>>
>>> The milk cap has a unique Terrapin on it as I have never seen that
>>> picture before.
>>>
>>> It is a heavy waxed paper, as milk used to come in cartons like this, as
>>> I remember that as a kid.
>>>
>>> In my bottle news letter I just got, there was a picture of a U Of
>>> Maryland milk bottle from this era.
>>>
>>> Just thought it might be of interest.
>>>
>>> Mike Marmer
>>> Germantown, MD
>>> Class of 1978 Five year plan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

--
--
Anne S. K. Turkos
University Archivist
2208E Hornbake Library
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742
Phone: 301.405.9060
Fax: 301.314.2709
Group: S-Trains Message: 62403 From: John Metzger Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
The red warning light should come on when the circuit breaker is triped. That is
the visual signal that something triped the circuit breaker.  I think that they
fixed the transfomer just enough to run trains, but did not fix it all the way. 
My opion, John Metzger, RN.




________________________________
From: Brady <brady@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:45:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transformer

 
I saw this on trainz.com

http://www.trainz.com/p-206084-af-12b-250-watt-transformer-wreverse-button.aspx

It states that the red lights typically do not come on with AF transformers when
the circuit breaker is activated - is this correct??

Thanks

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62404 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Track gang
Does anyone have any idea why the Track gang was only issue for one year.

Do you think this was due to lack of any real action, it did not well or just had no interest?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62405 From: Bob Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Good evening, all. I received the proof for the Fall issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide from the printer. It looks good and I'll be giving the "OK to print" instruction tomorrow morning!

Just as a reminder, if you received a subscription renewal notice in the mail anytime this year, please send it in with your payment as soon as possible. If you're not a subscriber or let your subscription lapse, visit the magazine's Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com for a preview. You can also subscribe online or order back issues. For mail-in subscriptions see the "Contacting Us" section for the mailing address. Thanks!

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 62406 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: K-325 Motor question
I have a question for the group..

I just purchased a K-325 at an local auction in Illinois

I was surprised to find out it has the 3/4 inch Large

motor. Did Gilbert make any K-325 engines with the 3/4

motor or was this modified by the previous owner ?

thx .. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 62407 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Hi Mike,

I used some wire from my computer parts drawer. It appears to be 36 gauge according to the micrometer. I used Aileens Tacky Glue to attached the wire. I glued the wire in the groove on the underside of the jackhammers.

The wire is too stiff to suit me. I would prefer it to be more limber. When I get in the right frame of mind to try it, I'll try to remove the wire from the insulation. I think the empty insulation will look more realistic!

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Nicely done, looks pretty good.
>
> What kind of glue did you use.
>
> Did you use wire, if so what size.
>
> Mike
>
> From: bull_gator_1
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:45 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I threw away the Lionel twine and added some black air hoses to my track gang. The hoses are a little too stiff to suit me, but they beat the $%&$ out of that stupid twine - lol.
>
> Luckily Katy is on the warm side of that major cold wave, so I made a video of the track gang working hard under the hot Texas sun! You can view the video here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ
>
> While you're at YouTube, check out my other videos too!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62408 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Hi Mike,
                    594 Track Gang was issued in 1941 for 3 rail operation and in 1946 and 1947 for 2 rail operation.  Cataloged for three years.
                                                         Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Track gang
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 11:58 AM







 









Does anyone have any idea why the Track gang was only issue for one year.



Do you think this was due to lack of any real action, it did not well or just had no interest?



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62409 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Lots of messages on the repair and operation of a 12B.  Not sure who originally posted this, but did you check the bulb.  If the bulb is dead the red light won't come on.
                                                       Tom Seccia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62410 From: James Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Miniatur Wunderland - Huffington Airport progress report
I know this fabulous model railroad in Hamburg GE is not S gauge, but surely I would have been remiss in not bringing your attention to the nifty modeling at about 3:20 into this progress report on a new airport for the layout.

Here is the latest progress report on the construction of the airport. This and the preceeding reports are fascinating, and especially insightful into the characteristically detailed German approach to modeling! DO NOT forget to click on the CC link just below the video in order to enable the English subtitles!!!

Gerrits Tagebuch Vol. 22: Tarnung und mehr (Teil 1 von 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAQFRjdzKnk&feature=channel

Also, this is a nighttime video of the Huffington airport nearing completion.

Gerrits Tagebuch Vol. 22 Teil 2: Impressionen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kkhhlezdSU

Enjoy! Envy!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 62411 From: billnovak99 Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: D.D.
Thanks, Mike, but I did leave them several voice mail messages and also sent an e-mail. Their order instructions state that they will get back to me to confirm within 24-48 hours but no response there either.

Bill

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> Website has a phone number if you really want to get ahold of them.
>
> If disconnected, then if could be bad news.
>
> I am sure they have normal jobs too, but 2 weeks is a long time not to answer.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Ray Puls
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:57 AM
> To: billnovak99@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] D.D.
>
>
> Hi Bill,
> I do not know the state of D.D. and I hope that they are not gone because I have
> a few projects that I am hoping do do with some of their products. If you can
> not reach them consider Electric Railroad, they are located in California. They
> have driver boards for TMCC, the Mini Commander 2 to use with the dc can motors
> as are used in the A.M. engines, that are actually smaller than the D.D. boards.
> I have done a fair amount of business with them and found them to be very
> responsive and helpful.
> Ray
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62412 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: train talk
I mentioned earlier this woman I have been emailing with at the U of MD and how her Dad was into trains and the GN.

I have a UMD milk cap that I am giving to the school.

Turns out he,her Dad, was from Baltimore but loved the GN!

Interesting in talking to someone and what could happen if you mention trains.

She loves trains, as we talked about Chessie.

Two emails about trains, as that lead to Baseball too.

Mike Marmer

her replies to my emails with trains in it. again she is the Alumni department head.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Goodness gracious, what a lot of Terpobilia!!!!!!! It can get
expensive, as you say, but it brings back such wonderful memories!

I am actually a Baltimore girl. My dad worked for the B&O the summer
before he began his career as a mechanical engineer with BG&E, now
Constellation Energy. For some reason, he fixated on the Great Northern
and spent many happy hours on all things GN. I went away to school (at
Dickinson College for undergrad and Case Western Reserve University for
grad school), but I have been in the area the rest of my x years (you
know a lady never tells her age). On January 7, I will have been here
at UM in the Archives for 26 years, and this is really my home now.

Anne

I miss Memorial Stadium very much. I was born in Union Memorial
Hospital, right down the street, and we lived on Alameda Circle, within
walking distance of the stadium, until I started elementary school.

Chessie rocks! I have a glass tray with her portrait on it that I
inherited from another old railroader.

And Johnny Holliday is a terrific person. I have had a chance to work
with him on several projects and love him to bits. What a wonderful
Terps supporter!

Hope we have a chance to meet very soon!

Best,
Anne



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62413 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Mike -

It was catalogued for a couple of years pre war as well. They probably just used
up the parts. Post war had a big emphasis on 3/16"s scale and it is pretty big
for S.

Bill Drake




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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 10:58:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Track gang

 
Does anyone have any idea why the Track gang was only issue for one year.

Do you think this was due to lack of any real action, it did not well or just
had no interest?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62414 From: Brady Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
<<...I bought a prewar mail car from these folks stated to be in
very good condition and when I opened the box, I could smell the new paint smell - the inside had rust. Given the description, I would not be interested in this (likely to be fire hazard) even with a new cord. Especially with a non functioning circuit breaker/indicator...>>

Bill

I ordered a 370 GP-7 from them; the motor and reverse unit were fine but the rest of the loco was a fixer-upper. The rear truck fell off when I took it out of the box, one of the front truck sideframes was broken, and the front coupler bar was actually a thin gauge wire painted black. No more toys from them.

I should have ordered the 360/361 from Port Lines :-)

The list's consensus is that trainz.com is blowing smoke on the 12B..not the good kind either..

Thanks

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62415 From: Brady Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
<< Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem.... Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>


Bob,

If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:

"Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come on - unfortunately common in AF units"

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Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62416 From: rick gough Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
grow up

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62417 From: rick gough Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
.....another 5 years and you'll have it down!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 4:04 PM


 



yes, I did blow in the smoke stack, but it is smoking now.

thanks Jim, as I am a rookie with these things at age 55. LOL

Mike

From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke

More likely "air blocked" it. Common problem, it seems.

Jim

In a message dated 12/14/2010 5:03:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62418 From: rick gough Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
And few of them work without tearing apart cleaning and setting the points. If you see how they operate you see how they wear out fast if used. I have one on each track; a card board one and a metal one and they create very different sounds thru the speaker. Out of 3 off ebay I got 2 to work well, but they all slow the loco ....appropriate for rolling into a station anyway. I just scored an 'E' 313BIG off a seller off off Ebay ... about to do total restore sans paint .... and add a speaker from Portlines ... why the h_ _ _ didn't AC put Air Chime in the 313??!!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:56 PM


 



It is!

This came in many sets, but especially in the 20740 set with the 1958 Hudson that I had as a kid.

It died on me, as I got this one on eBay, brand new in the box as the instruction paper has March 1958 on it.

These are eBay from time to time.

It is a treasure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM

It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62419 From: Timboy Date: 12/15/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I had yet another very productive building session today. To see pics and details of what I have accomplished, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62421 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer - Illegible Word
Brady,

The illegible word looks like "good" to me. So it appears the repairman put a known good bulb in but it didn't light up when the circuit breaker tripped.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> << Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem.... Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:
>
> "Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come on - unfortunately common in AF units"
>
> http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62422 From: Dave Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: BUFFALO CREEK Caboose Decals
We now have a DECAL SET that includes both styles of text "IN WHITE" that applies to the BUFFALO CREEK & GAULEY R.R. #C-1 cabooses. The price is $5.50 PER SET WHICH INCLUDES SHIPPING. Interested members please use the link below to view:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html

For further Info. please contact us OFF GROUP.
Thank you all for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 62424 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Rick.

I have opened these tubes before and cleaned the point of contact. I used a dremel tool to make a nice clean cut, cleaned it and re-glued. I made my cut at the base. Not noticeable at all.

I did put the metal tube on the plastic base, just to see what would happen. It had no effect on the Northern, meaning not slowing down or going faster, as the cardboard tube made it run faster.

however, I put the Hudson back on the track, and the metal tube made it slow down, when activated.

I think I tried to have Steve of SnS put a speaker in a 21130 when putting in a new upgraded reverse unit. I would not work, kept shorting out I think.

But now it is DCC’s with sound and that was fine. However, the sound did short out, as that was okay. It made engine sounds when the horn was not on, and it sounded horrible, like a awful drum beat going on.

Sounds like you got a neat 313 with horn now.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


And few of them work without tearing apart cleaning and setting the points. If you see how they operate you see how they wear out fast if used. I have one on each track; a card board one and a metal one and they create very different sounds thru the speaker. Out of 3 off ebay I got 2 to work well, but they all slow the loco ....appropriate for rolling into a station anyway. I just scored an 'E' 313BIG off a seller off off Ebay ... about to do total restore sans paint .... and add a speaker from Portlines ... why the h_ _ _ didn't AC put Air Chime in the 313??!!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:56 PM



It is!

This came in many sets, but especially in the 20740 set with the 1958 Hudson that I had as a kid.

It died on me, as I got this one on eBay, brand new in the box as the instruction paper has March 1958 on it.

These are eBay from time to time.

It is a treasure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:42 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM

It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62425 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke
Rick.

LOL

I am butterfingers when it comes to AF operations.

If I take it apart, I usually do more harm, good for repair people.

I never want to do another smoke wick again. O!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:00 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke


.....another 5 years and you'll have it down!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 4:04 PM



yes, I did blow in the smoke stack, but it is smoking now.

thanks Jim, as I am a rookie with these things at age 55. LOL

Mike

From: mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke

More likely "air blocked" it. Common problem, it seems.

Jim

In a message dated 12/14/2010 5:03:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Did I “flood” the unit with fluid?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62426 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
To the list.

I meant no harm in writing about Neil Young, as I thought it might be of interest, train related as I know many love to see him at York, as he WAS a TCA member at one time and S trains and TCA and Trains are connected as he was a fellow TCA member, the nicest guy you can meet.

Do you know he runs a school for kids with CP?

I thought there might be fans of Neil on this list, but I take there are none. No he is not into S, so that makes me guilty of treason to the S world, Good Grief.

Neil is no longer in the TCA and I see why.

I became great friends with Jerry Dobbs because he wrote about Bike Riding once on this list.

I did not see anyone get mad about that.

No, I do not think I stray away from the topic of S trains, much, but I think it is great to learn about other interest that people on this list might have.

My layout stories are not too stupid for anyone? Delete button works well.

By the way, my layout will be in CTT late in 2011 or early 2012 so someone likes what I am doing.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young


grow up

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: Dennis Donovan <mailto:rosegirl88%40earthlink.net>
Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 10:48 PM

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62427 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Tom and Bill,
I did not know that about it being first in O before the war.
Thanks for letting me know it was issued for 2 years, but again, I wonder why the short life overall.
Mike
From: Bill Drake
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track gang


Mike -

It was catalogued for a couple of years pre war as well. They probably just used
up the parts. Post war had a big emphasis on 3/16"s scale and it is pretty big
for S.

Bill Drake

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: S Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 10:58:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Track gang


Does anyone have any idea why the Track gang was only issue for one year.

Do you think this was due to lack of any real action, it did not well or just
had no interest?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62428 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: train talk
Sorry not appropriate for this list,, wont happen again.

I thought it was neat her Dad was into trains, could have been S,but I am not sure.

Another Mike Marmer idiot email, slap me, I deserve it.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:39 PM
To: Toy Trains ; S Trains ; Steve Conard ; Bill Lane ; John Picur ; Ralph Loveless
Subject: [S-Trains] train talk


I mentioned earlier this woman I have been emailing with at the U of MD and how her Dad was into trains and the GN.

I have a UMD milk cap that I am giving to the school.

Turns out he,her Dad, was from Baltimore but loved the GN!

Interesting in talking to someone and what could happen if you mention trains.

She loves trains, as we talked about Chessie.

Two emails about trains, as that lead to Baseball too.

Mike Marmer

her replies to my emails with trains in it. again she is the Alumni department head.
----------------------------------------------------------

Goodness gracious, what a lot of Terpobilia!!!!!!! It can get
expensive, as you say, but it brings back such wonderful memories!

I am actually a Baltimore girl. My dad worked for the B&O the summer
before he began his career as a mechanical engineer with BG&E, now
Constellation Energy. For some reason, he fixated on the Great Northern
and spent many happy hours on all things GN. I went away to school (at
Dickinson College for undergrad and Case Western Reserve University for
grad school), but I have been in the area the rest of my x years (you
know a lady never tells her age). On January 7, I will have been here
at UM in the Archives for 26 years, and this is really my home now.

Anne

I miss Memorial Stadium very much. I was born in Union Memorial
Hospital, right down the street, and we lived on Alameda Circle, within
walking distance of the stadium, until I started elementary school.

Chessie rocks! I have a glass tray with her portrait on it that I
inherited from another old railroader.

And Johnny Holliday is a terrific person. I have had a chance to work
with him on several projects and love him to bits. What a wonderful
Terps supporter!

Hope we have a chance to meet very soon!

Best,
Anne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62429 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: D.D.
Bill,

In this situation as you did all the right things, if you really are in need of something from them, give them a call.

If they are out of business, then phone will be cut off due to non payment to the phone carrier.

I use 10-10-987-1-then the number for long distance calls. It cost 70 cents for the hook up then 5 cents minute. Might be worth a dollar to see what happens with the phone number.

Best of luck.

Mike

From: billnovak99
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: D.D.


Thanks, Mike, but I did leave them several voice mail messages and also sent an e-mail. Their order instructions state that they will get back to me to confirm within 24-48 hours but no response there either.

Bill

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>
> Website has a phone number if you really want to get ahold of them.
>
> If disconnected, then if could be bad news.
>
> I am sure they have normal jobs too, but 2 weeks is a long time not to answer.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Ray Puls
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:57 AM
> To: billnovak99@... ; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] D.D.
>
>
> Hi Bill,
> I do not know the state of D.D. and I hope that they are not gone because I have
> a few projects that I am hoping do do with some of their products. If you can
> not reach them consider Electric Railroad, they are located in California. They
> have driver boards for TMCC, the Mini Commander 2 to use with the dc can motors
> as are used in the A.M. engines, that are actually smaller than the D.D. boards.
> I have done a fair amount of business with them and found them to be very
> responsive and helpful.
> Ray
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62430 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
David,

thanks for the information.

I still torn if I should just leave it alone.

I did look this up in the Greenberg Book and that string they have from the generator is not there,but the two hoses.

What was Lionel thinking and why!

My Lionel friends you know that evil O gauge that should not be mentioned here, are amazed by my cute stories I tell them about Lionel with the AF trucks breaking for many years, now,, and the other things.

Too cute,

Mike
From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:33 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted


Hi Mike,

I used some wire from my computer parts drawer. It appears to be 36 gauge according to the micrometer. I used Aileens Tacky Glue to attached the wire. I glued the wire in the groove on the underside of the jackhammers.

The wire is too stiff to suit me. I would prefer it to be more limber. When I get in the right frame of mind to try it, I'll try to remove the wire from the insulation. I think the empty insulation will look more realistic!

David

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>
> David,
>
> Nicely done, looks pretty good.
>
> What kind of glue did you use.
>
> Did you use wire, if so what size.
>
> Mike
>
> From: bull_gator_1
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:45 PM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I threw away the Lionel twine and added some black air hoses to my track gang. The hoses are a little too stiff to suit me, but they beat the $%&$ out of that stupid twine - lol.
>
> Luckily Katy is on the warm side of that major cold wave, so I made a video of the track gang working hard under the hot Texas sun! You can view the video here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ
>
> While you're at YouTube, check out my other videos too!
>
> BG1
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62431 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Mike,

I am not a Neil Young fan but found the train stuff interesting and was
not harmed in any way.

Accept the fact that some people forget how easy the delete key is and
instead make stupid comments that are inappropriate.

I did not have a problem with the milk bottle discussion either because
my delete key is easy to use for things I don't care about and it is not
connected to the stupid and inappropriate comment key.

The only thing on this list that offends me is the list of items for
sale I can't afford now because of my employment situation.
NOTE: THE Above was totally tongue in cheek.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/16/2010 11:26 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> To the list.
>
> I meant no harm in writing about Neil Young, as I thought it might be
> of interest, train related as I know many love to see him at York, as
> he WAS a TCA member at one time and S trains and TCA and Trains are
> connected as he was a fellow TCA member, the nicest guy you can meet.
>
> Do you know he runs a school for kids with CP?
>
> I thought there might be fans of Neil on this list, but I take there
> are none. No he is not into S, so that makes me guilty of treason to
> the S world, Good Grief.
>
> Neil is no longer in the TCA and I see why.
>
> I became great friends with Jerry Dobbs because he wrote about Bike
> Riding once on this list.
>
> I did not see anyone get mad about that.
>
> No, I do not think I stray away from the topic of S trains, much, but
> I think it is great to learn about other interest that people on this
> list might have.
>
> My layout stories are not too stupid for anyone? Delete button works well.
>
> By the way, my layout will be in CTT late in 2011 or early 2012 so
> someone likes what I am doing.
>
> Mike
>
> From: rick gough
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
>
> grow up
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
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> Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
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> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 10:48 PM
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62432 From: Timboy Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Twas The Night Before Christmas
Twas The Night Before Christmas
And except for emailers
Not a creature was stirring
Not even three railers.
The switches were placed on the layout with care
In hopes that A.C. Gilbert soon would be there.
The Flyers were nestled all snug in their beds
While visions of Royal Blues danced in their heads.
And mamma in her kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a long winter's nap.
When down in the basement there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the staircase I flew in a fright,
Tore open the door and flipped on the light.
The glow of fluorescent on the concrete floor
Told me in a moment there must be more.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a 4-6-2, and stout engineer.
With six drivers in front, pulling a Northern tender,
I knew in a moment it must be A.C., but not very slender.
More rapid than Lionels, his Flyers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name.
"Now, Steamer! Now, Switcher! Now, Alco and Baldwin!
On, Pacific! On Northern! On, Atlantic and Hudson!
To the top of the porch! To the top of the wall!
Now choo away! Choo away! Choo-choo away all!"
As liquid smoke fluid on the coil does burn,
When Flyers meet with an obstacle, they follow the turn.
So `round the layout the Flyers they flew,
With a tender full of coal, and A.C.Gibert too.
And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the floor
The sound of chug-chug let out with a roar.
As I drew in my head, and was turning around,
Up the basement stairs A. C. Gilbert did bound.
He was covered in overalls from his head to his foot,
And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.
A bundle of freight cars he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a railroader just opening his pack.
His eyes -- how they twinkled! His dimples how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow.
The spout from the smoke stack, he held tight in his teeth
And the smoke from a steamer rose up from beneath.
He had a broad face and a little round belly,
That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.
He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself.
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And coupled the boxcars; then turned with a jerk.
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
And giving a nod, up the basement stairs he arose.
He had vaulted from the layout, from the steamer came a whistle,
And off raced the steamer like a new guided missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he ran out of sight,
"Forget all the rest, American Flyer rules tonight!"
Group: S-Trains Message: 62433 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
There are two different sets of instructions for air chime whistle controls and
how to connect to the track. You are correct, one connect method will speed up
the locomotives that came with the other design and vice versa. The earlier
design had to work with DC locomotives as well as AC locomotives. Later the
design was simplified for the AC only operation.

Bill Drake




________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:14:21 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

 
Rick.

I have opened these tubes before and cleaned the point of contact. I used a
dremel tool to make a nice clean cut, cleaned it and re-glued. I made my cut at
the base. Not noticeable at all.

I did put the metal tube on the plastic base, just to see what would happen. It
had no effect on the Northern, meaning not slowing down or going faster, as the
cardboard tube made it run faster.

however, I put the Hudson back on the track, and the metal tube made it slow
down, when activated.


I think I tried to have Steve of SnS put a speaker in a 21130 when putting in a
new upgraded reverse unit. I would not work, kept shorting out I think.

But now it is DCC’s with sound and that was fine. However, the sound did short
out, as that was okay. It made engine sounds when the horn was not on, and it
sounded horrible, like a awful drum beat going on.

Sounds like you got a neat 313 with horn now.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

And few of them work without tearing apart cleaning and setting the points. If
you see how they operate you see how they wear out fast if used. I have one on
each track; a card board one and a metal one and they create very different
sounds thru the speaker. Out of 3 off ebay I got 2 to work well, but they all
slow the loco ....appropriate for rolling into a station anyway. I just scored
an 'E' 313BIG off a seller off off Ebay ... about to do total restore sans paint
.... and add a speaker from Portlines ... why the h_ _ _ didn't AC put Air Chime
in the 313??!!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:56 PM

It is!

This came in many sets, but especially in the 20740 set with the 1958 Hudson
that I had as a kid.

It died on me, as I got this one on eBay, brand new in the box as the
instruction paper has March 1958 on it.

These are eBay from time to time.

It is a treasure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:42 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM

It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different
engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck
comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned
and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in
the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were
frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I
learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it
was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual
modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought
of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It
choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at
moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit
there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured
it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the
two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's
been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy
and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years
.... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded
to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!!
Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you
press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62434 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Not to mention that Neil Young is a part owner of Lionel that does have
something to do with AF.

Bill Drake 




________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:26:56 AM
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young

 
To the list.

I meant no harm in writing about Neil Young, as I thought it might be of
interest, train related as I know many love to see him at York, as he WAS a TCA
member at one time and S trains and TCA and Trains are connected as he was a
fellow TCA member, the nicest guy you can meet.

Do you know he runs a school for kids with CP?

I thought there might be fans of Neil on this list, but I take there are none.
No he is not into S, so that makes me guilty of treason to the S world, Good
Grief.

Neil is no longer in the TCA and I see why.

I became great friends with Jerry Dobbs because he wrote about Bike Riding once
on this list.

I did not see anyone get mad about that.

No, I do not think I stray away from the topic of S trains, much, but I think it
is great to learn about other interest that people on this list might have.

My layout stories are not too stupid for anyone? Delete button works well.

By the way, my layout will be in CTT late in 2011 or early 2012 so someone likes
what I am doing.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young

grow up

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Dennis Donovan <mailto:rosegirl88%40earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Dennis Donovan <mailto:rosegirl88%40earthlink.net>
Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 10:48 PM

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62436 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
We can only speculate, but Gilbert usually behaved rationally as a business. Low
profit margin from high cost or low sales was usually the cause of the demise of
an item. Sometimes a material shortage or supplier problem was the cause. Magnet
material shortage from the Korean War stopped the DC motors. Factory fire at
Minicraft stopped the wooden buildings. Better promotional payment from Gulf
stopped the Shell tank cars.

In the case of the track gang, my guess would be a combination of competition
from more exciting accessories along with Gilbert realizing they were really in
the toy market vs a hobbies market. Many of the fragile accessories disappeared
in favor of more rugged, child resistant designs. Crossing signals, semaphores,
etc. all changed about the same time.

All of the above is pure speculation.

Bill Drake




________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:28:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track gang

 
Tom and Bill,
I did not know that about it being first in O before the war.
Thanks for letting me know it was issued for 2 years, but again, I wonder why
the short life overall.
Mike
From: Bill Drake
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track gang

Mike -

It was catalogued for a couple of years pre war as well. They probably just used

up the parts. Post war had a big emphasis on 3/16"s scale and it is pretty big
for S.

Bill Drake

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: S Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 10:58:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Track gang

Does anyone have any idea why the Track gang was only issue for one year.

Do you think this was due to lack of any real action, it did not well or just
had no interest?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62437 From: Timboy Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone:

It's about 11:30 AM Pacific time, or 2:30 PM Eastern time - so that must mean I have a new section completed. LOL

For pics and details, please make sure you visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

I'm just two clicks away!

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62438 From: George Cohn Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
On 12/14/2010 11:05 PM, Bob Moyer wrote:
> To All:
>
> There was an article in CTT in the last three years. (anyone help with the
> specific issue) That showed how to use a DVD player as a drive in screen.
> >From what I recall the article was extensive and the result looked good.

I have a five inch Haier brand LCD TV that I bought on Amazon that is
the perfect size and shape. You could plug a DVD player into it and
have an instant Drive-In Theater.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 62439 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young - so what?
Good point Carey,

I see folks in the S community as being even richer in crankitude that
in most other scales. Is it the graying of the hobby? Is it something
special about 3/16ths trains? I don't know. I am mostly a scale guy with
a leaning to the dark side (tinplate and such). Even so, I left the
S-Scale list a while back because there was so much negativity. It was
getting to be like a political campaign.

My dear colleagues, we are comrades in our interest in trains of a
certain size. On this list, we emphasize the post war American Flyer
stuff. There are many topics that are close to that specialty: American
Flyer by Lionel, American Flyer 3/16ths O-Gauge from before WWII, Other
trains of the same size, related prototype information, general
techniques for construction, operation, enhancement, purchase sale and
swap, meetings of similar minded people and more that than I am sure. As
long as there is a subject line and you have the all-powerful delete
key, you have all the power you need.

If we were at a meeting of our club and there was a knot of others
discussing something in which we were not interested, we would simply
move to another knot of people. We would not chastise them for talking
about things that do not interest us.

Please encourage others to discuss their interests in our hobby with the
odd digression. Please do not discourage conversations on any topic
(except politics and religion - oh my those are even more divisive than
eBay).

Merry Christmas,
Old, but still not too cranky, Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carey Probst
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:53 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young


Mike,

I am not a Neil Young fan but found the train stuff interesting and was
not harmed in any way.

Accept the fact that some people forget how easy the delete key is and
instead make stupid comments that are inappropriate.

I did not have a problem with the milk bottle discussion either because
my delete key is easy to use for things I don't care about and it is not

connected to the stupid and inappropriate comment key.

The only thing on this list that offends me is the list of items for
sale I can't afford now because of my employment situation.
NOTE: THE Above was totally tongue in cheek.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 62440 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer - Illegible Word
That transformer “looks” great,as the price is very good.

I would think if it was serviced it should be fine.

I think it is confusing about the red light, as they are to me, saying it only comes on if the circuit breaks. Which it should.

In E it list for 95 in Greenberg.

If you are thinking about buying it I think you will be fine, but again contact them with your questions as I believe they are in the TCA.

Good luck,

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:49 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12B Transformer - Illegible Word


Brady,

The illegible word looks like "good" to me. So it appears the repairman put a known good bulb in but it didn't light up when the circuit breaker tripped.

BG1

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> << Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem.... Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:
>
> "Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come on - unfortunately common in AF units"
>
> http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg
>
>
> Brady Burdge
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62441 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
Carey,

Thanks, as I appreciate that.

I realized not everything I or anyone writes is of interest to all of us. Delete button works very easy and quick.

And, I have no problems if you delete any of my messages, as I never would tell someone what I think is right or wrong for a list. I do not think that is right of us to do. We do not own the list. Contact the moderator or owner if you are that upset over something.

Next time anyone has a issue anyone’s email, please write the moderator. Let them decide this. I see this allot on many list, and many are not train list. In fact many are music.

And I do not have a problem if someone writes something that is not S as someone just sent a link for non S train layout.

I believe Tim just sent some links for a O gauge Layout in Cincinnati and I was fascinated by the layout, as I actually emailed the owner about it.

So Tim write about a O gauge layout and I write about a O gauge person. Tim’s email was okay and my email was not? decided by someone on this list who is not a moderator. I don’t get it. Did you write Tim like you did me? I am very glad Tim sent that email about the O gauge layout. What gives?

Mike Marmer

From: Carey Probst
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:52 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young


Mike,

I am not a Neil Young fan but found the train stuff interesting and was
not harmed in any way.

Accept the fact that some people forget how easy the delete key is and
instead make stupid comments that are inappropriate.

I did not have a problem with the milk bottle discussion either because
my delete key is easy to use for things I don't care about and it is not
connected to the stupid and inappropriate comment key.

The only thing on this list that offends me is the list of items for
sale I can't afford now because of my employment situation.
NOTE: THE Above was totally tongue in cheek.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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> To the list.
>
> I meant no harm in writing about Neil Young, as I thought it might be
> of interest, train related as I know many love to see him at York, as
> he WAS a TCA member at one time and S trains and TCA and Trains are
> connected as he was a fellow TCA member, the nicest guy you can meet.
>
> Do you know he runs a school for kids with CP?
>
> I thought there might be fans of Neil on this list, but I take there
> are none. No he is not into S, so that makes me guilty of treason to
> the S world, Good Grief.
>
> Neil is no longer in the TCA and I see why.
>
> I became great friends with Jerry Dobbs because he wrote about Bike
> Riding once on this list.
>
> I did not see anyone get mad about that.
>
> No, I do not think I stray away from the topic of S trains, much, but
> I think it is great to learn about other interest that people on this
> list might have.
>
> My layout stories are not too stupid for anyone? Delete button works well.
>
> By the way, my layout will be in CTT late in 2011 or early 2012 so
> someone likes what I am doing.
>
> Mike
>
> From: rick gough
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
>
> grow up
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
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> Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] Neil Young
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62442 From: Dennis Back Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Hi fellow S-Trainers,

First let me say that I am different a Dennis. I post maybe once a year, but read most of what goes on here. 

FWIW, I enjoyed Mike's post about Neil Young.  Why?  Because since I have been a member of this list for about eleven years now...I've learned that Young is very much a part of AF's recent history as a proponent of trains and Lionel.

I found it interesting about how Young first came in contact with trains. 

As a matter of fact, I said to myself....I hope Mike will keep us informed and post more about this book as he reads it.  I thought what Mike posted was VERY well written.

That's all I have to say for this year.  LOL! 

But before I fade into the sunset again, I do want to wish everyone Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62443 From: rick gough Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Nice work. LLLLLOL

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62444 From: rick gough Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
What is the best way to wire it?

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62445 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Bill,

Thanks for the explanation, but I am using the same base the way it is connected to the track.

All I did was switch the tube.

No big deal, but weird.

I think both engines are AC as I am using a 336 and K325.

Mike
From: Bill Drake
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


There are two different sets of instructions for air chime whistle controls and
how to connect to the track. You are correct, one connect method will speed up
the locomotives that came with the other design and vice versa. The earlier
design had to work with DC locomotives as well as AC locomotives. Later the
design was simplified for the AC only operation.

Bill Drake

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:14:21 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


Rick.

I have opened these tubes before and cleaned the point of contact. I used a
dremel tool to make a nice clean cut, cleaned it and re-glued. I made my cut at
the base. Not noticeable at all.

I did put the metal tube on the plastic base, just to see what would happen. It
had no effect on the Northern, meaning not slowing down or going faster, as the
cardboard tube made it run faster.

however, I put the Hudson back on the track, and the metal tube made it slow
down, when activated.

I think I tried to have Steve of SnS put a speaker in a 21130 when putting in a
new upgraded reverse unit. I would not work, kept shorting out I think.

But now it is DCC’s with sound and that was fine. However, the sound did short
out, as that was okay. It made engine sounds when the horn was not on, and it
sounded horrible, like a awful drum beat going on.

Sounds like you got a neat 313 with horn now.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:52 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

And few of them work without tearing apart cleaning and setting the points. If
you see how they operate you see how they wear out fast if used. I have one on
each track; a card board one and a metal one and they create very different
sounds thru the speaker. Out of 3 off ebay I got 2 to work well, but they all
slow the loco ....appropriate for rolling into a station anyway. I just scored
an 'E' 313BIG off a seller off off Ebay ... about to do total restore sans paint
.... and add a speaker from Portlines ... why the h_ _ _ didn't AC put Air Chime
in the 313??!!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:56 PM

It is!

This came in many sets, but especially in the 20740 set with the 1958 Hudson
that I had as a kid.

It died on me, as I got this one on eBay, brand new in the box as the
instruction paper has March 1958 on it.

These are eBay from time to time.

It is a treasure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:42 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM

It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different
engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck
comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned
and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in
the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were
frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I
learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it
was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual
modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought
of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It
choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at
moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit
there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured
it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the
two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's
been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy
and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years
.... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded
to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!!
Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you
press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62446 From: rick gough Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Interesting how different engines are effected differently by the air chime. Sounds like you got pretty lucky with the point gap still being right. I got one of these over Ebay, didn't work at all, took apart and found it was wired wrong at the factory .... never worked until i reversed the wires and had a brand new working unit. Still had to correct the point gap, which was wrong from the factory!
My 313 will be a happy runner. A "collector/operator'" owned it and was his favorite I'm told. However there is no sign of it ever being lubed since it left AC's place. Unbelievable ... I thought every dingdong knew to at least over pack with vasoline! Every piece is now apart so axles can be lubed with light CV joint grease, gears cleaned, side to side play taken out of drive gear, back and forth play taken out of armature [really excessive on this one], add smoke to the steam chests etc.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 8:14 AM


 



Rick.

I have opened these tubes before and cleaned the point of contact. I used a dremel tool to make a nice clean cut, cleaned it and re-glued. I made my cut at the base. Not noticeable at all.

I did put the metal tube on the plastic base, just to see what would happen. It had no effect on the Northern, meaning not slowing down or going faster, as the cardboard tube made it run faster.

however, I put the Hudson back on the track, and the metal tube made it slow down, when activated.

I think I tried to have Steve of SnS put a speaker in a 21130 when putting in a new upgraded reverse unit. I would not work, kept shorting out I think.

But now it is DCC’s with sound and that was fine. However, the sound did short out, as that was okay. It made engine sounds when the horn was not on, and it sounded horrible, like a awful drum beat going on.

Sounds like you got a neat 313 with horn now.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

And few of them work without tearing apart cleaning and setting the points. If you see how they operate you see how they wear out fast if used. I have one on each track; a card board one and a metal one and they create very different sounds thru the speaker. Out of 3 off ebay I got 2 to work well, but they all slow the loco ....appropriate for rolling into a station anyway. I just scored an 'E' 313BIG off a seller off off Ebay ... about to do total restore sans paint .... and add a speaker from Portlines ... why the h_ _ _ didn't AC put Air Chime in the 313??!!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:56 PM

It is!

This came in many sets, but especially in the 20740 set with the 1958 Hudson that I had as a kid.

It died on me, as I got this one on eBay, brand new in the box as the instruction paper has March 1958 on it.

These are eBay from time to time.

It is a treasure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:42 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM

It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62448 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Bill,

Thanks as that sounds pretty good, as I do know about profit and loss in a business.

Great explanation.

Mike

From: Bill Drake
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track gang


We can only speculate, but Gilbert usually behaved rationally as a business. Low
profit margin from high cost or low sales was usually the cause of the demise of
an item. Sometimes a material shortage or supplier problem was the cause. Magnet
material shortage from the Korean War stopped the DC motors. Factory fire at
Minicraft stopped the wooden buildings. Better promotional payment from Gulf
stopped the Shell tank cars.

In the case of the track gang, my guess would be a combination of competition
from more exciting accessories along with Gilbert realizing they were really in
the toy market vs a hobbies market. Many of the fragile accessories disappeared
in favor of more rugged, child resistant designs. Crossing signals, semaphores,
etc. all changed about the same time.

All of the above is pure speculation.

Bill Drake

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:28:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track gang


Tom and Bill,
I did not know that about it being first in O before the war.
Thanks for letting me know it was issued for 2 years, but again, I wonder why
the short life overall.
Mike
From: Bill Drake
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:18 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track gang

Mike -

It was catalogued for a couple of years pre war as well. They probably just used

up the parts. Post war had a big emphasis on 3/16"s scale and it is pretty big
for S.

Bill Drake

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: S Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 10:58:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Track gang

Does anyone have any idea why the Track gang was only issue for one year.

Do you think this was due to lack of any real action, it did not well or just
had no interest?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62449 From: Jim Alessio Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Video camera...
Here is a hack that might be of interest to anyone who wants a small
camera. Looks like it would be easy to hide.

http://kipkay.com/featured/spy-barbie-hack

--
Jim Alessio

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Note from moderator:

This is a weird video but it does have some good info that could be used for a Camera Car etc...
Group: S-Trains Message: 62450 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Northern Question
Rick.

Thanks, as I have purchased some of these before and they did not work till I cleaned it. One did not work still once it was cleaned.

Had this one not work, I was not going to open it since it is the beloved Red one. I could live with it was a display one as I did not want to cut it no matter.

You mean I have to put some lube on this sometime. Just kidding that I know.

Sounds like you got a great engine.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:37 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question


Interesting how different engines are effected differently by the air chime. Sounds like you got pretty lucky with the point gap still being right. I got one of these over Ebay, didn't work at all, took apart and found it was wired wrong at the factory .... never worked until i reversed the wires and had a brand new working unit. Still had to correct the point gap, which was wrong from the factory!
My 313 will be a happy runner. A "collector/operator'" owned it and was his favorite I'm told. However there is no sign of it ever being lubed since it left AC's place. Unbelievable ... I thought every dingdong knew to at least over pack with vasoline! Every piece is now apart so axles can be lubed with light CV joint grease, gears cleaned, side to side play taken out of drive gear, back and forth play taken out of armature [really excessive on this one], add smoke to the steam chests etc.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 8:14 AM



Rick.

I have opened these tubes before and cleaned the point of contact. I used a dremel tool to make a nice clean cut, cleaned it and re-glued. I made my cut at the base. Not noticeable at all.

I did put the metal tube on the plastic base, just to see what would happen. It had no effect on the Northern, meaning not slowing down or going faster, as the cardboard tube made it run faster.

however, I put the Hudson back on the track, and the metal tube made it slow down, when activated.

I think I tried to have Steve of SnS put a speaker in a 21130 when putting in a new upgraded reverse unit. I would not work, kept shorting out I think.

But now it is DCC’s with sound and that was fine. However, the sound did short out, as that was okay. It made engine sounds when the horn was not on, and it sounded horrible, like a awful drum beat going on.

Sounds like you got a neat 313 with horn now.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:52 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

And few of them work without tearing apart cleaning and setting the points. If you see how they operate you see how they wear out fast if used. I have one on each track; a card board one and a metal one and they create very different sounds thru the speaker. Out of 3 off ebay I got 2 to work well, but they all slow the loco ....appropriate for rolling into a station anyway. I just scored an 'E' 313BIG off a seller off off Ebay ... about to do total restore sans paint .... and add a speaker from Portlines ... why the h_ _ _ didn't AC put Air Chime in the 313??!!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:56 PM

It is!

This came in many sets, but especially in the 20740 set with the 1958 Hudson that I had as a kid.

It died on me, as I got this one on eBay, brand new in the box as the instruction paper has March 1958 on it.

These are eBay from time to time.

It is a treasure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:42 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

That one is special ... I'd like to have it!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 2:19 PM

It is a cardboard, the red one.

Again, it only does it with one engine.

I do have many metal generators, so I will put on and see what happens,
Thanks Rick.

mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Which generator is it; cardboard or metal? They have different points set ups.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:59 AM

Hi Rick

The horn does blow while it speeds up the engine. Again, using a different engine, normal operation.

Again the engine is now running fine on the track except the trailing truck comes off the track some times.

Again, not a big issue, as I am sure the track is not the best, it is cleaned and wheels are clean.

This is just for Christmas, so I will continue to use the Hudson.

Thanks!

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:40 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question

Does it also blow the horn or just speed up the loco? The closer the points in the tube the less affect on speed but less horn volume also. If the points were frozen it might result in a boost of juice.....??
Worn drive wheel flange is something to keep for future trouble shooting. How I learned was after I got a nicely fully restored 326 via Ebay. All I did to it was tear down and relube and plumb 'steam' to the steam chests as per my usual modification [which would have made Gilbert some money if they had thought of/done it]. Anyway it ran gangbusters, perfect eunit and strong big motor. It choose the curve at the top of the tressle to derail the front drivers even at moderate speed, which could have been a 4' drop to concret! Scared me a bit there! Not one of the 'experts' out there could give me the solution. I figured it had to be in the drivers and seemed to see a wear difference between the two.I was going to replace them but decided that I'd try switching them and it's been happy since ... taKes that curve at full steam. Someone owned that puppy and ran it on an oval opposite direction from my track for 5 hrs/day X years .... or something. It would
take a lot of running to wear one of those flanges to the point of being rounded to that point.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Northern Question
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:32 PM

Thanks Rick, as I got it running just fine.

Track issues, minor.

However, when getting out from the 1982 Artificial tree, I knocked it over!! Yow, as it fell against a wall and no damage to anything was done.

Will not happen again. LOL

Engine is running just fine at the 90 mph mark on the transformer.

The weird thing is, I have a steam whistle generator hooked up and when you press the button for sound, it make the engine run faster, which is fine.

It is getting a jolt of electricity.

Thanks to all on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62452 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
All, repeat, ALL, No. 594 Track Gangs were built prewar for one year only
in 1941. It was catalogued postwar for two years, but never built during
that time. Part of the reason for no postwar production was that it was not a
great seller -- hence the effort to clear out the last units by cataloguing
the No. 594 in 1946 and 47. The No. 594 took on a mystique after the
passage of time, due to its limited numbers and quirky character -- not an
uncommon occurrence in Toy Traindom.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 12/16/2010 5:25:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Mike -

It was catalogued for a couple of years pre war as well. They probably
just used

up the parts. Post war had a big emphasis on 3/16"s scale and it is pretty
big
for S.

Bill Drake






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62453 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: New Module Design
Gary Cameron asked me to forward this to the S Yahoo groups. He describes
a new module design he is working on that he and I have been discussing
since the Blue Ridge Scalers met in North Carolina a few weeks ago - Earl
Henry, Nashville


____________________________________

From: Garyjcameron@...
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, CC: Tennsgauge@...
Sent: 12/16/2010 2:45:08 P.M. Central Standard Time
Subj: Wood modules and glue

I am currently building up four prototype aluminum model train modules.
These can be used for any scale and the decking can be plywood, foam or
any
other material.

The prototype units should be ready in about two weeks. I hope to loan
three of them out to either clubs or individuals to evaluate before
producing
additional units.

The modules are extremely strong and light weight. They are made from a
special extrusion design the has a "T" slot running the entire length.
This
slot is used to mount the legs and can be used for adding extensions,
installing skirting, etc.

I decided to go ahead with this concept after attending a meeting of the
Blue Ridge S Scalers in Hendersonville, North Carolina.

If anyone is interested in following the progress of these modules,
contact
Gary Cameron, SE Regional Train Center, 300 Hillside Road, Johnson City,
Tennessee 37601 423/833-3383 GaryJCameron@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62456 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Track gang
Thanks Bob, as that is common in many businesses with products..
The biggest example is the Edsel and Coke Classic not selling to the public.
So, I guess the Track Gang not selling is not the biggest non seller in life, but more interesting tidbits on this track gang, as it developed a following then, as many things again do that too.
Mike
From: rbubeck327@...
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:16 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track gang



All, repeat, ALL, No. 594 Track Gangs were built prewar for one year only
in 1941. It was catalogued postwar for two years, but never built during
that time. Part of the reason for no postwar production was that it was not a
great seller -- hence the effort to clear out the last units by cataloguing
the No. 594 in 1946 and 47. The No. 594 took on a mystique after the
passage of time, due to its limited numbers and quirky character -- not an
uncommon occurrence in Toy Traindom.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 12/16/2010 5:25:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes:

Mike -

It was catalogued for a couple of years pre war as well. They probably
just used

up the parts. Post war had a big emphasis on 3/16"s scale and it is pretty
big
for S.

Bill Drake

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62457 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Well, the Chinese assembly personnel had likely never seen an original.
Honest and trivial mistake, don't you think? Judging by the posts here, a lot
of American Flyer guys have not seen an original (which was also fitted
with tan-colored twine, by the way) either and are apparently no better at
performing the VERY simple job of fitting two pieces of twine than the
Chinese. ;-))

By the way, the next time you are telling the O gauge crowd about the
Flyonel trucks, Mike, why don't you also relate to them the fact that there is
too much bolster tilting and side frame movement in SHS trucks and that
there is a tendency for wheel sets to fall out of some samples of the trucks? A
fix for this problem was written up by Rusty Westermeier in May/June 2009
issue of S Gaugian. And, let's not discuss those magical AM heavyweight
trucks, shall we? ;-))

Have fun.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 12/16/2010 5:25:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

What was Lionel thinking and why!

My Lionel friends you know that evil O gauge that should not be mentioned
here, are amazed by my cute stories I tell them about Lionel with the AF
trucks breaking for many years, now, and the other things.

Too cute,

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62458 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Bob,

But don’t you think Lionel or any train maker, as maybe Don Thompson might say something here, have engineering plans on making these things, then the tooling etc..

And you are correct as I never seen one before and I never thought anything of it.

Knowing me, I will make a mess in trying to add hoses, as overall, the unit is fine for me. Me with glue? Every get glue on a tongue. LOL I have, as the mouth is a very important part of gluing things, like a hand. LOL Now you know I am really weird. This week I had to glue some broken ornaments as the tree got knock over by me, trying to adjust my AF track. Only one ornament broke, yup, got glue on the tongue and teeth. LOL

I will let the unit be.

I did have a SHE truck fall apart on me and Don did promptly send me a new pair right away no cost to me.

I even saw him give a child a new set at York, as it was Dave Blum child who owns Mark P’s website and items now.

Bob, I never knew this about SHS trucks, as they do look fine to me, a non expert on things like this, as your knowledge is great. By the way, you did sign your guide books for me at York, I do not expect you to remember. I have no issues with SHS trucks.

Thanks Mike



From: rbubeck327@...
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted



Well, the Chinese assembly personnel had likely never seen an original.
Honest and trivial mistake, don't you think? Judging by the posts here, a lot
of American Flyer guys have not seen an original (which was also fitted
with tan-colored twine, by the way) either and are apparently no better at
performing the VERY simple job of fitting two pieces of twine than the
Chinese. ;-))

By the way, the next time you are telling the O gauge crowd about the
Flyonel trucks, Mike, why don't you also relate to them the fact that there is
too much bolster tilting and side frame movement in SHS trucks and that
there is a tendency for wheel sets to fall out of some samples of the trucks? A
fix for this problem was written up by Rusty Westermeier in May/June 2009
issue of S Gaugian. And, let's not discuss those magical AM heavyweight
trucks, shall we? ;-))

Have fun.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 12/16/2010 5:25:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes:

What was Lionel thinking and why!

My Lionel friends you know that evil O gauge that should not be mentioned
here, are amazed by my cute stories I tell them about Lionel with the AF
trucks breaking for many years, now, and the other things.

Too cute,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62459 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/16/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
I see no reason why the red light should not come on upon a short. If
you look at a typical wiring diagram at myflyertrains.org
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2) you will see
that the green light wired between the fixed and base posts and the red
light is wired across the circuit breaker in the base post line. Upon
a short, the green light goes out because there is an effective short
between its terminals and the red light comes on because the current is
forced through the short and the red light bulb because the current's
direct route through the breaker has been interrupted.

I can think of three reasons why the bulb might come on assuming the
bulb is good.

The first one is that the breaker hasn't actually tripped.

The second, and a less serious one would be that there is corrosion in
the bulb socket.

The third would be that there is a loose wire.

In any case, it doesn't appear that their technicians are very competent
in allowing a partially repaired unit to be released for sale.

Dale


On 12/15/2010 1:42 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> << Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it
> doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem....
> Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>
>
> Bob,
>
> If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:
>
> "Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come
> on - unfortunately common in AF units"
>
> http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62460 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
What I found on some bulbs was the tip that makes contact at the bottom (of
the bulb) does not touch when screwed into the socket. Mike


In a message dated 12/16/2010 7:34:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dfsmith26@... writes:




I see no reason why the red light should not come on upon a short. If
you look at a typical wiring diagram at myflyertrains.org
(_http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2_
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2) ) you will see
that the green light wired between the fixed and base posts and the red
light is wired across the circuit breaker in the base post line. Upon
a short, the green light goes out because there is an effective short
between its terminals and the red light comes on because the current is
forced through the short and the red light bulb because the current's
direct route through the breaker has been interrupted.

I can think of three reasons why the bulb might come on assuming the
bulb is good.

The first one is that the breaker hasn't actually tripped.

The second, and a less serious one would be that there is corrosion in
the bulb socket.

The third would be that there is a loose wire.

In any case, it doesn't appear that their technicians are very competent
in allowing a partially repaired unit to be released for sale.

Dale

On 12/15/2010 1:42 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> << Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it
> doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem....
> Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>
>
> Bob,
>
> If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:
>
> "Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come
> on - unfortunately common in AF units"
>
> _http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg_
(http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg)
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62461 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: BLATENT SALE AD - UP SET
I just put up for sale a nice UP Passenger Set.... Reason for selling.... I have 2....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300505181878&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
If there are no bids so, I can still cancel, I will sell it for 825.00 postage paid...
This set is vg+ and I got it in the white hall at York.....
 
Anyone need a 375 geep??????, 5 Didget SF freight loco... all ob's.... boxed Circus set.... 5 Didget HW pass car... Etc.... Might post list now that I have finally started to sort stuff..... Casey Jones... (2 promised long ago) 25 - 30... Atlantics, Etc...
 
I need room around the house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62462 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
That should have read "might not come on"

On 12/16/2010 7:13 PM, Dale Smith wrote:
> I can think of three reasons why the bulb might _not_ come on assuming
> the
> bulb is good.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62463 From: alsflyer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: MTH Log Loader #30-9119
MTH Log Loader by RailKing #30-9119
Brand New in the Box - Never Opened
Cost $199.95
Sell $174.95
Shipping extra
This unit has the same specs as the original American Flyer log Loader.
Photo available.
Email me off this group for details.
Thanks
Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 62464 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Message length
I would like to request that messages be truncated so that only the new message and the post immediately before go up. There are currently threads running that are extremely long and are difficult to navigate. Thanks

Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 62465 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Methinks the bulb may be burned out....Happens....
Steve


In a message dated 12/16/2010 8:34:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dfsmith26@... writes:




I see no reason why the red light should not come on upon a short. If
you look at a typical wiring diagram at myflyertrains.org
(_http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2_
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2) ) you will see
that the green light wired between the fixed and base posts and the red
light is wired across the circuit breaker in the base post line. Upon
a short, the green light goes out because there is an effective short
between its terminals and the red light comes on because the current is
forced through the short and the red light bulb because the current's
direct route through the breaker has been interrupted.

I can think of three reasons why the bulb might come on assuming the
bulb is good.

The first one is that the breaker hasn't actually tripped.

The second, and a less serious one would be that there is corrosion in
the bulb socket.

The third would be that there is a loose wire.

In any case, it doesn't appear that their technicians are very competent
in allowing a partially repaired unit to be released for sale.

Dale

On 12/15/2010 1:42 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> << Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it
> doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem....
> Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>
>
> Bob,
>
> If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:
>
> "Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come
> on - unfortunately common in AF units"
>
> _http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg_
(http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg)
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62466 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Giant warning problem - there is rust! Moisture has gotten into the transformer.
Anything inside is likely to be corroded. Insulation between windings may have
deteriorated. The insulation between the live parts of the 120 V circuit and the
case may be gone. Without a complete dismantle and a high pot test to verify
integrity of the transformer, plugging in something like this is asking for a
fire or shock to someone who touches the case. It isn't worth it at $1.00 except
possibly as a decorative door stop in which case the red light is a moot point.
If you need power buy a new power source. Matches are easier to use to start a
fire.


Bill Drake




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From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 9:13:27 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 12B Transformer

 
I see no reason why the red light should not come on upon a short. If
you look at a typical wiring diagram at myflyertrains.org
(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2) you will see
that the green light wired between the fixed and base posts and the red
light is wired across the circuit breaker in the base post line. Upon
a short, the green light goes out because there is an effective short
between its terminals and the red light comes on because the current is
forced through the short and the red light bulb because the current's
direct route through the breaker has been interrupted.

I can think of three reasons why the bulb might come on assuming the
bulb is good.

The first one is that the breaker hasn't actually tripped.

The second, and a less serious one would be that there is corrosion in
the bulb socket.

The third would be that there is a loose wire.

In any case, it doesn't appear that their technicians are very competent
in allowing a partially repaired unit to be released for sale.

Dale

On 12/15/2010 1:42 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> << Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it
> doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem....
> Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>
>
> Bob,
>
> If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:
>
> "Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come
> on - unfortunately common in AF units"
>
> http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62467 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: K-325 Motor question
K-325 Not likely. The large motor made it's appearance first in 1953 I
believe. The K-325 was a 1952 issue.
Steve


In a message dated 12/15/2010 11:26:45 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mikejoan45@... writes:




I have a question for the group..

I just purchased a K-325 at an local auction in Illinois

I was surprised to find out it has the 3/4 inch Large

motor. Did Gilbert make any K-325 engines with the 3/4

motor or was this modified by the previous owner ?

thx .. Mike




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62468 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Video camera
I'm a little behind in my reading of Yahoo groups, so I just saw this post. How much does the spy camera Barbie cost and where do I get one? If it's cheap, I can see these little cameras as useful in all sorts of models.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62469 From: Timboy Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Thanks Rick! It seems that you "get" it! Bravo! LOL

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:
>
> Nice work. LLLLLOL
>
> rick gough
Group: S-Trains Message: 62470 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Mike,

If you like, send the track gang to me after Christmas and I'd be happy to
restring the piece for you.

Merry, merry.

Bob Bubeck

PS: Yes, I do remember signing your copy of the guide. Thanks for your
patronage.

In a message dated 12/17/2010 5:50:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Knowing me, I will make a mess in trying to add hoses, as overall, the
unit is fine for me. Me with glue? Every get glue on a tongue. LOL I have, as
the mouth is a very important part of gluing things, like a hand. LOL Now
you know I am really weird. This week I had to glue some broken ornaments as
the tree got knock over by me, trying to adjust my AF track. Only one
ornament broke, yup, got glue on the tongue and teeth. LOL

I will let the unit be.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62471 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Everyone who owns a Lionel Reproduction track gang, your attention please.

I hope you all will alter your track gang by adding hoses to the two men.

I am going to leave mine be, as I said, I am great at messing things up.

This way, I will have the only original factory made AF Lionel Reproduction Track Gang and it then will be worth Zillions of dollars as it will be then in high demand for a factory original one without airhoses. Only a pull string to the air compressor.

This will be great, as I can then use the money to buy more Neil Young CDs and a summer home in Maine.

Thank you all, as this will be great.

Okay, a pipe dream. LOL

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62472 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Video camera
google shows a bunch listed in the $60 range.

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/17/2010 11:01 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> I'm a little behind in my reading of Yahoo groups, so I just saw this
> post. How much does the spy camera Barbie cost and where do I get one?
> If it's cheap, I can see these little cameras as useful in all sorts
> of models.
> Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62473 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Bob,

A very nice gesture, as I would take care of postage back and forth.

However, the track gang is imbedded in the table of the layout, so let me think about this, as I think it would be okay to take out.

Thanks for remembering that signing.

Your books are right here.

Mike

From: rbubeck327@...
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 12:14 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted



Mike,

If you like, send the track gang to me after Christmas and I'd be happy to
restring the piece for you.

Merry, merry.

Bob Bubeck

PS: Yes, I do remember signing your copy of the guide. Thanks for your
patronage.

In a message dated 12/17/2010 5:50:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes:

Knowing me, I will make a mess in trying to add hoses, as overall, the
unit is fine for me. Me with glue? Every get glue on a tongue. LOL I have, as
the mouth is a very important part of gluing things, like a hand. LOL Now
you know I am really weird. This week I had to glue some broken ornaments as
the tree got knock over by me, trying to adjust my AF track. Only one
ornament broke, yup, got glue on the tongue and teeth. LOL

I will let the unit be.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62474 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Video camera
Googled "video recorder Barbie" - turned up several sources for the $60 range.

Bill Drake




________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:01:02 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Video camera

 
I'm a little behind in my reading of Yahoo groups, so I just saw this post. How
much does the spy camera Barbie cost and where do I get one? If it's cheap, I
can see these little cameras as useful in all sorts of models.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62475 From: Timboy Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Guys!

I started a new section today. It will feature a Coal Loader to load M&M's from an M&M mine. I have it roughed-in and shaped.

To see pics of this roughed-in area and more details, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

It's only one or two clicks away from here, depending on how you do it. I always open a link into a new window = 2 clicks.

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62476 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim,
Real M&M’s?
I think you will eat them all before they get to market.
Just kidding.
If you are using real M&M’s be careful about bugs getting into them, etc..
How about some Chocolate Buds from Wilbur’s in Lititz's. PA.?
Mike
From: Timboy
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout


Hi Guys!

I started a new section today. It will feature a Coal Loader to load M&M's from an M&M mine. I have it roughed-in and shaped.

To see pics of this roughed-in area and more details, please visit:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

It's only one or two clicks away from here, depending on how you do it. I always open a link into a new window = 2 clicks.

Regards,

Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62477 From: Robert A Persing Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: Video camera
I work for Advance Auto Parts and right now we have a back up camera on sale for $59.00 and it works on 12 volt. Bob Persing
----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Video camera



I'm a little behind in my reading of Yahoo groups, so I just saw this post. How much does the spy camera Barbie cost and where do I get one? If it's cheap, I can see these little cameras as useful in all sorts of models.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62478 From: rick gough Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Re: K-325 Motor question
Whatever....be HAPPY! Nice score.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Re: K-325 Motor question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 3:53 AM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62479 From: Brady Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
<< ...If you need power buy a new power source. Matches are easier to use to start a fire.

Bill Drake >>


Good advice. I have an MTH Z-4000 - expensive but it's generally considered the top transformer in the O gauge world.

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/40-4000

Z-4000 Manual
http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/download/instruction/20as15530i.pdf


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62480 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
the Pure Pak I have is a single handle unit.
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62481 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Re: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
Oh my gosh, 439.00?

Does it vacuum too?

I have a MPC Pure Pak that I think cost 150.

Is this something about this power pack I do or others do not know about?

Mike
From: Brady
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)


<< ...If you need power buy a new power source. Matches are easier to use to start a fire.

Bill Drake >>

Good advice. I have an MTH Z-4000 - expensive but it's generally considered the top transformer in the O gauge world.

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/40-4000

Z-4000 Manual
http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/download/instruction/20as15530i.pdf

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62482 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: track gang revisted
Okay, I bit the bullet and ordered the golden all inclusive air hose repair kit for 3 dollars from Lionel, you know that great company that has kept the American Flyer name alive.

I can tell you I can get a dinner for two for what they charged in shipping. LOL

I knew it up front so I should not complain.

$9.

Yes, my friends, I just saved Lionel from bankruptcy, or what ever. Or someone will have a bonus in his or her paycheck.

I will give this a shot, if not, someone on the list offered to put this on for me on the track gang. Ahh, reminds me of the editors at Mad Magazine, as they where the gang of idiots like me in ordering this twine.

Hey, I have spent 1000s on this layout what is another 12 bucks.

I have just saved the economy from total depression with this transaction.

My track gang thank me as now they can hammer all night and day.

Ahh, just having a little bit of fun with this, as I got to get 12 dollars worth.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62483 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/17/2010
Subject: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Okay, everyone laugh.

hey, I forgot, I have 1% cash back on my credit card.

Maybe the part is no longer available.

LOL

Mike

From: partorder@...
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:48 PM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation

Your online replacement parts order has been received. Below are details regarding your order.

Order Number: C30208

Billing Address:

Mike Marmer
)

Shipping Address:

Mike Marmer


Quantity Part Number Part Name Price Sub-Total
1 6409808070 AIR HOSE KIT-ANIM TRACK GANG(2 hoses) $3.00 $3.00
Discounts: - $0.00
Sub-Total: $3.00
Tax: $0.00
Shipping: $9.00
The total price of $12.00 is subject to part availability. Total: $12.00

To view your order online, please visit /mylionel/partOrderDetails.cfm?orderID=30208

Thank you for using Lionel.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62484 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
$9.00 for shipping? Are they real hoses? Mike


In a message dated 12/17/2010 6:54:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Okay, everyone laugh.

hey, I forgot, I have 1% cash back on my credit card.

Maybe the part is no longer available.

LOL

Mike

From: _partorder@..._
(mailto:partorder@...)
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:48 PM
To: _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...)
Subject: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation

Your online replacement parts order has been received. Below are details
regarding your order.

Order Number: C30208

Billing Address:

Mike Marmer
)

Shipping Address:

Mike Marmer

Quantity Part Number Part Name Price Sub-Total
1 6409808070 AIR HOSE KIT-ANIM TRACK GANG(2 hoses) $3.00 $3.00
Discounts: - $0.00
Sub-Total: $3.00
Tax: $0.00
Shipping: $9.00
The total price of $12.00 is subject to part availability. Total: $12.00

To view your order online, please visit
/mylionel/partOrderDetails.cfm?orderID=30208

Thank you for using Lionel.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62485 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Mike,

No, they are being delivered to me by the Oregon Duck.

The Duck has to stop many times for eat’um ups and drink’ um ups. He has a expensive account with Lionel, friends to Leo.

You know him well right? LOL

GO DUCKS!

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation


$9.00 for shipping? Are they real hoses? Mike


In a message dated 12/17/2010 6:54:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Okay, everyone laugh.

hey, I forgot, I have 1% cash back on my credit card.

Maybe the part is no longer available.

LOL

Mike

From: mailto:_partorder%40lionel-newsletter.com_
(mailto:mailto:partorder%40lionel-newsletter.com)
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:48 PM
To: mailto:_mlmarmer%40verizon.net_ (mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net)
Subject: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation

Your online replacement parts order has been received. Below are details
regarding your order.

Order Number: C30208

Billing Address:

Mike Marmer
)

Shipping Address:

Mike Marmer

Quantity Part Number Part Name Price Sub-Total
1 6409808070 AIR HOSE KIT-ANIM TRACK GANG(2 hoses) $3.00 $3.00
Discounts: - $0.00
Sub-Total: $3.00
Tax: $0.00
Shipping: $9.00
The total price of $12.00 is subject to part availability. Total: $12.00

To view your order online, please visit
/mylionel/partOrderDetails.cfm?orderID=30208

Thank you for using Lionel.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62486 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: D&RG PA's shipping.
A brief note to let folks know that the Lionel-AF D&RG ALCo PA's are being
shipped just in time for Christmas. These are engines for which I and many
others have been waiting about 16 years to go with the California Zephyr
set. It is nice to see that something catalogued (and preordered) for this
year actually was delivered -- this year. :-)

Thanks, Santa.

Bob Bubeck

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62487 From: william cole Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: MTH Z-4000 Transformer (was: 12B Transformer)
I have one of these for sale.....(Z-4000) contact me off list for details....

Bc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62488 From: Dave Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: SMOKE Fluid - "Low Odor"
Due to the discussion about the different types of SMOKE FLUID avaliable and the VERY STRONG FACT that a lot of hobbiests are not to thrilled with the scents now avaliable on the market we are, once again, producnig our once very popular LOW ODOR - NUTRAL SCENT "SMOKE CLOUD BRAND" smoke fluid. This was formulated primarly for AF pre-1965 steam engines but works well with all other manfacturers wire & wick type smoke units. For those of the group that would be interested please use the link below:


http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html


For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP.
Thank you for your continuing support.
Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 62489 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Track Gang String Jokes
Ahhhh, my Lionel O gauge friend is really stringing me along with his humor about my one time direct purchase to Lionel Headquarters.

LOL Mike

Mike,

See my earlier note......You embody the spirit of Christmas - giving your money away with no strings attached ! LOL


Mike,

So you broke down and did it - made a donation to Lionel - Well it is Christmas time and one should show some caring and sympathy for the down trodden..........

After all, they are making all these mistakes and not fixing things correctly. You are to be commended for showing such a generous nature - allowing yourself to be ripped off like this! LOL

Hallelujah! LOL

Mike,

Ouch! Look how those 2 little guys are wired....... LOL

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62490 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer
Hi Mike,
� Bulbs in 8B & 12B are #47 Bayonet 6 to 8 Volts.  Push and turn to make connections.  The circuit breakers are the same in both transformers.  Not sure of the problem in this 12B but this ciruit breaker has a roller type composition.  It may be the short is not drawing enough voltage to trip the circuit breaker.  If there is a short the green light should go out.  You should shut the transformer off immediately to make sure no damage will be done to the coil and stack.  Don't wait for the red light to come on.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:

From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 12B Transformer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 10:59 PM







 









What I found on some bulbs was the tip that makes contact at the bottom (of

the bulb) does not touch when screwed into the socket. Mike





In a message dated 12/16/2010 7:34:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

dfsmith26@... writes:



I see no reason why the red light should not come on upon a short. If

you look at a typical wiring diagram at myflyertrains.org

(_http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2_

(http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album211/18B_30B_2) ) you will see

that the green light wired between the fixed and base posts and the red

light is wired across the circuit breaker in the base post line. Upon

a short, the green light goes out because there is an effective short

between its terminals and the red light comes on because the current is

forced through the short and the red light bulb because the current's

direct route through the breaker has been interrupted.



I can think of three reasons why the bulb might come on assuming the

bulb is good.



The first one is that the breaker hasn't actually tripped.



The second, and a less serious one would be that there is corrosion in

the bulb socket.



The third would be that there is a loose wire.



In any case, it doesn't appear that their technicians are very competent

in allowing a partially repaired unit to be released for sale.



Dale



On 12/15/2010 1:42 PM, Brady wrote:

>

> << Brady.... It sez "The red light does not come on." meaning it

> doesn't work..... and that the repair shop didn't fix the problem....

> Not as you have stated....Bob Conner >>

>

> Bob,

>

> If you click on the second photo the inspection tag states:

>

> "Breaker function OK - red light ((illegible word) bulb) does not come

> on - unfortunately common in AF units"

>

> _http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg_

(http://www.trainz.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/206084_2_.jpg)

>

> Brady Burdge

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62491 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Another reply from a O friend about the Lionel Shipping as I know they are
padding it a bit.

I think MTH has been asked but they said not at this time?

Also is MTH effected by the China situation or are they big enough it is not
a factor?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: December 18, 2010 2:15 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation

Lionel like everybody else overcharged for shipping. I agree their stuff is
crap...I don't buy any. I really am disappointed with the Polar Express set
I bought for my Grandson. The whistle was so lousy I spent $100 for a
Railsounds tender. What a waste, the only thing Polar Express is the decals.
No Polar Express Sounds, just the normal all aboard stuff. I asked somebody
at the Lionel booth at York and found out they rwere too cheap to pay any
licensing fees. Just today Evan complained to me that his bridge (I think
trestles..I paid $50 for them,)would not work. He had to put the transformer
to 100 mph to get up the hill. No power, cheap plastic crap.

You S guys ought to write to Mike Wolf and ask MTH to make S. They are
already making HO and have Protosound 3 in DC as well as operating couples
small enough for HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 62492 From: Timboy Date: 12/18/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Guys!

I have some very disturbing and distressing news to relate to the group. Apparently - and I suspect it was through Wikileaks - news has circulated about an M&M strike somewhere in and around the Conemaugh Valley and Western RR. I went downstairs to do some routine work and all I could hear was, "There's M&M's in them-thar hills!" The price of "oatmeal" has skyrocketed. There isn't a pick or ax to be found at any price. Timboy Town East and Timboy Town West are practically ghost towns now. Claims are being filed and then hijacked. Martial law has been declared. It's a mess. I don't know what to do. I suppose it will run it's course and things will even out. History has shown that it always does. But for now at least, it is utter chaos.

Sigh,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62493 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/19/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
MTH built and OWN their own factory in China. Maybe, Mike saw this coming.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/18/2010 3:38:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Also is MTH effected by the China situation or are they big enough it is
not
a factor?

Mike




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62494 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/19/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
2010 M&M Rush?

Could this be boom and then doom like the 1849 CA Gold Rush?

I hope not.

How about harvesting Dental Floss to make string for AF Lionel Track gangs. Frank Zappa is not available to sing his song however.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout


Hi Guys!

I have some very disturbing and distressing news to relate to the group. Apparently - and I suspect it was through Wikileaks - news has circulated about an M&M strike somewhere in and around the Conemaugh Valley and Western RR. I went downstairs to do some routine work and all I could hear was, "There's M&M's in them-thar hills!" The price of "oatmeal" has skyrocketed. There isn't a pick or ax to be found at any price. Timboy Town East and Timboy Town West are practically ghost towns now. Claims are being filed and then hijacked. Martial law has been declared. It's a mess. I don't know what to do. I suppose it will run it's course and things will even out. History has shown that it always does. But for now at least, it is utter chaos.

Sigh,

Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62495 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/19/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/19/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62497 From: Timboy Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Mike:

Those miners are a tough lot. I don't expect them to melt in my hands! LOL

But what makes this strike especially valuable is that it is the mother-load of old-fashioned M&M's. You know; the kind that don't have pretzels inside or pastel colors outside. I may have to crack a few to get the rest in line! LOL

Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> 2010 M&M Rush?
>
> Could this be boom and then doom like the 1849 CA Gold Rush?
>
> I hope not.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62498 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation
Jim,

Thanks for letting me know that.

Maybe he could make SHS products for Don, etc.

Not really competition, etc. and a way to make more money if there is good profit margin in manufacturing.

But maybe he has no room or time to make products for others, nor would he want too.

Just a thought.

oh well.

Mike

From: WJJIM@...
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 10:49 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Lionel Replacement Parts Order Confirmation


MTH built and OWN their own factory in China. Maybe, Mike saw this coming.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/18/2010 3:38:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes:

Also is MTH effected by the China situation or are they big enough it is
not
a factor?

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62499 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: A little about MTH
Years ago when MTH appeared, and then began to challenge Lionel's death grip on O gauge, the Mike Wolf story was pretty well known.
He had started doing O gauge reproductions in his garage as a teen, and later worked for Lionel doing reproductions of their stuff. As part of this, he went to China and connected with them directly. He was possibly the first model train person to do so beside Bachmann, which is owned by Kador Toy originally of Hong Kong.
There was a "falling out" between Lionel and Wolf, which brought about the start of MTH Trains (Mike's Train House, the name of his earlier repro operation.) He had everything made in China, and beat up Lionel badly in the marketplace, bringing new trains with better smoke, sounds, and other electronics along. Before this, Lionel had been doing only things they already had the 1950s molds and dies of over and over again, and pricing it by the collector market, not what it actually cost to make. The lack of really new product, and the high retail prices gave MTH the opportunity to quickly establish itself in the marketplace.
Mike Wolf realized early on that he would have to make a significant investment in China in order to control all facets of manufacturer, and did so. This allowed him to keep his costs and quality control in line over the long haul.
As before, Lionel tried to do things "on the cheap" and has played "catch up" to MTH ever since. I have been out of the hobby market loop for almost a year now, so what has been going on recently, I can only guess.
Stumpy Stone...missing the hobby shop and all the good folks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62500 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: U.P. Mikado Help
I recently picked up a Mikado at a train show ( out of Warranty )
It runs good when started ( in conventional ) BUT after a minute or so
it runs down to a crawl then stalls out.
has any one else experienced this problem. Jerry
____________________________________________________________
Group: S-Trains Message: 62501 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Wishing you all the joys of the season
Group: S-Trains Message: 62502 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Re: A little about MTH
Thanks Stumpy.

I actually was at his train shop in Columbia when he had a train shop and I had no idea who he was, as I was not even into trains at the time.

I had a sales meeting one night in December in a office park in Columbia MD and I got there a little early and I saw this train shoppe that was still opened. It was about 5 pm.

I went in and it was mostly all O gauge, as I talked to someone, maybe Mike Wolf himself, as I told him I had some old AF and I knew nothing about it.

He gave me a new 8 page Lionel Catalog to saw me Lionel was making AF again, as it had the C&O Passenger set in it. this was 1989. He also gave me a piece of paper with Greenberg on it, as he told me about Greenberg being a source for values. the paper has MTH on it.

I believe he no longer has the shoppe of course, since now he is more of a manufacturer of his old line.

Mike

From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:58 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] A little about MTH


Years ago when MTH appeared, and then began to challenge Lionel's death grip on O gauge, the Mike Wolf story was pretty well known.
He had started doing O gauge reproductions in his garage as a teen, and later worked for Lionel doing reproductions of their stuff. As part of this, he went to China and connected with them directly. He was possibly the first model train person to do so beside Bachmann, which is owned by Kador Toy originally of Hong Kong.
There was a "falling out" between Lionel and Wolf, which brought about the start of MTH Trains (Mike's Train House, the name of his earlier repro operation.) He had everything made in China, and beat up Lionel badly in the marketplace, bringing new trains with better smoke, sounds, and other electronics along. Before this, Lionel had been doing only things they already had the 1950s molds and dies of over and over again, and pricing it by the collector market, not what it actually cost to make. The lack of really new product, and the high retail prices gave MTH the opportunity to quickly establish itself in the marketplace.
Mike Wolf realized early on that he would have to make a significant investment in China in order to control all facets of manufacturer, and did so. This allowed him to keep his costs and quality control in line over the long haul.
As before, Lionel tried to do things "on the cheap" and has played "catch up" to MTH ever since. I have been out of the hobby market loop for almost a year now, so what has been going on recently, I can only guess.
Stumpy Stone...missing the hobby shop and all the good folks.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62503 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Re: A little (more) about MTH ... and Lionel.
Kinda half correct, but half incorrect -- ;-)

1. Wolf's first Asian partnership was with Samhongsa in Korea, not China.
The start of MTH was when Mike Wolf bought out Jerry Williams tooling for
repro Lionel tinplate after having worked for Williams for a number of years
as a young fellow.

2. Richard Kughn used Mike Wolf as a subcontractor to produce the Lionel
Tinplate Classics (at Samhongsa) and a limited number of new scale O gauge
engines. Mike Wolf was no longer a "teen" by this time. The "falling out"
came about because Wolf began to tool up a diesel in competition with Lionel
while Wolf was sitting in on the Lionel product team as a subcontractor.

3. It is true that MTH was the first of the two ramp up scale-sized O gauge
engines for the general market in a big way using Asian contractors. To
say that Lionel was trying to "do things on the cheap" is incorrect, however.
Quite the opposite. They continued to try to compete using the
Chesterfield plant, which was hardly a low cost way to go. Lionel was losing in the
market place, in part, because they were late to go to Asia in a big manner
to take advantage of lower production costs. Dick Maddox (from Bachmann) was
brought in as a CEO to do very much what he had done at Bachmann, i.e.,
"go to China". Once Lionel made the move to Asia with its lower manufacturing
costs, they resumed their sales leadership in O gauge due to new products
developed under Todd Wagner's development team (e.g., this is the crew that
developed the S-gauge Mikado) and because TMCC was vastly superior to
Protosounds-1 (sounds, not a CC system). With the later introduction by MTH of
DCS and the lawsuit and bankruptcy troubles (a very, very long story to be
skipped here), Lionel still sold more than MTH per year throughout the
decade in O gauge, which was reinforced by the introduction of Legacy -- the
follow on of TMCC.

4. The arrangement is a bit murky publicly, but MTH likely does not really
own a factory in China. Generally, foreigners do not own capital outright
in China, but rather in partnership with locals, who usually have the final
say if it comes down to brass tacks. This is true for GM, Ford, VW, you
name it. MTH has never had the capitalization to build their own plant solo.
This is one of the reasons Mike went to Asia in the first place. MTH's
arrangement, which is a plus for them, does not favorably affect, however, their
delivery schedules, which are actually slower than many. It is not
atypical to have a couple of years pass between the introduction of a new engine
in an MTH catalog and the delivery of the goods at your LHS. MTH's parts
situation is also worst than Lionel's. Better QC than others is highly
debatable. On the positive side, MTH has made some interesting moves in their new
Proto-3, European prototype models, HO, and G (No. 1) gauge trains.

5. Who has been playing catch up with whom depends on what product aspects
one is considering. With Legacy, CC, on board sounds and what I call the
"kinetic art form" stuff, the TMCC crane car, etc. Lionel is and has been in
the lead. For product variety, MTH is arguably in the lead. MTH, however,
has a well-deserved reputation for being a copy-cat. And, so forth.

As with many aspects of history, things go in cycles. Many are now wishing
that Lionel was making trains back here in the good ol' USA, which they are
starting to do in a terribly limited way. Truth to tell, there is no one
left at either Lionel or MTH that knows how to set up and run a toy train
factory from scratch, thanks to the layoffs.

As for hi-rail S gauge market, Lionel is spending capital in truly new
engines. MTH isn't and won't. No one else is at this time, for that matter.

Abbreviated, but closer to the truth of the situation.

Bob Bubeck

>>>Years ago when MTH appeared, and then began to challenge Lionel's death
grip on
O gauge, the Mike Wolf story was pretty well known.
He had started doing O gauge reproductions in his garage as a teen, and
later
worked for Lionel doing reproductions of their stuff. As part of this, he
went
to China and connected with them directly. He was possibly the first model
train person to do so beside Bachmann, which is owned by Kador Toy
originally of
Hong Kong.
There was a "falling out" between Lionel and Wolf, which brought about the
start
of MTH Trains (Mike's Train House, the name of his earlier repro
operation.) He
had everything made in China, and beat up Lionel badly in the marketplace,
bringing new trains with better smoke, sounds, and other electronics
along.
Before this, Lionel had been doing only things they already had the 1950s
molds
and dies of over and over again, and pricing it by the collector market,
not
what it actually cost to make. The lack of really new product, and the high
retail prices gave MTH the opportunity to quickly establish itself in the
marketplace.
Mike Wolf realized early on that he would have to make a significant
investment
in China in order to control all facets of manufacturer, and did so. This
allowed him to keep his costs and quality control in line over the long
haul.
As before, Lionel tried to do things "on the cheap" and has played "catch
up" to
MTH ever since. I have been out of the hobby market loop for almost a year
now,
so what has been going on recently, I can only guess.
Stumpy Stone...missing the hobby shop and all the good folks.<<<


...and,


In a message dated 12/20/2010 5:53:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

MTH built and OWN their own factory in China. Maybe, Mike saw this coming.

Jim Lyle




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62504 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/20/2010
Subject: Fw: Lionel Parts Order #C30208 Has Shipped
The magic Lionel S string is on its way. LOL

It will be interesting to see how this is packed.

Mike

From: partorder@...
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:01 AM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Lionel Parts Order #C30208 Has Shipped

Your online replacement parts order has been shipped. Below are details regarding your tracking information and order.

Order Number: C30208

Billing Address:

Mike Marmer
20461 Afternoon Lane
Germantown, MD 20874
United States
301-540-4145 (Day)
301-540-4145 (Evening)

Shipping Address:

Mike Marmer
20461 Afternoon Lane
Germantown, MD 20874
United States
301-540-4145

Quantity Part Number Part Name Price Sub-Total
1 6409808070 AIR HOSE KIT-ANIM TRACK GANG(2 hoses) $3.00 $3.00
Discounts: -$0.00
Sub-Total: $3.00
Tax: $0.00
Shipping: $9.00
Total: $12.00

Thank you for using Lionel.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62506 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video of Working Big Boy
nice video

---------- Original Message ----------
From: <carl@...>
To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Video of Working Big Boy
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:45:24 -0500


http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 62508 From: Michael Rector Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: Lionel Parts Order #C30208 Has Shipped
Probably wrapped up in string.
 
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all.
 
Mike R in Ohio

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Lionel Parts Order #C30208 Has Shipped
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Joseph Lechner" <Joseph.Lechner@...>, "Bill Zide" <Wjzwjz@...>, "Thomas Bianculli" <tjbian@...>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 11:56 AM


 



The magic Lionel S string is on its way. LOL

It will be interesting to see how this is packed.

Mike

From: partorder@...
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:01 AM
To: mlmarmer@...
Subject: Lionel Parts Order #C30208 Has Shipped

Your online replacement parts order has been shipped. Below are details regarding your tracking information and order.

Order Number: C30208

Billing Address:

Mike Marmer
20461 Afternoon Lane
Germantown, MD 20874
United States
301-540-4145 (Day)
301-540-4145 (Evening)

Shipping Address:

Mike Marmer
20461 Afternoon Lane
Germantown, MD 20874
United States
301-540-4145

Quantity Part Number Part Name Price Sub-Total
1 6409808070 AIR HOSE KIT-ANIM TRACK GANG(2 hoses) $3.00 $3.00
Discounts: -$0.00
Sub-Total: $3.00
Tax: $0.00
Shipping: $9.00
Total: $12.00

Thank you for using Lionel.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62509 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: U.P. Mikado Help
Recently had a very similar problem with a Southern Mikado, brand new
out of the box. Despite being new, it was out of warranty.

Contacted Lnl service for a return order.

Had it the same day. Mailed the next day. Returned to me within a week,
repaired.

Cost: $8.50 for a new motherboard, and $60 labor charge.

Granted, it was new in the box and should not have had any problem, but
the fact that it was 5 years old and had never been opened and test-run
was not their fault.

I have no complaints with their service dept!



<<I recently picked up a Mikado at a train show ( out of Warranty )
It runs good when started ( in conventional ) BUT after a minute or so
it runs down to a crawl then stalls out.>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62511 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Video of Working Big Boy
Great Video !


Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62513 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids
Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62514 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
No it's the seller... I've been blocked by 2 that I know of....Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
HOwingsiii@... writes:






Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below
your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had
this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked
my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the
blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62515 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
HARWOOD..... While I have not noticed this situation, it sounds like something they would do.... I have had listings cancelled for stupid reasons.... One might qualify as ???? but why delete all of the listings??? Bob
 


--- On Tue, 12/21/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:


From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 2:06 PM


 





Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62516 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
Alistair
On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62517 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Mike of Oregon and I are block by the same person I believe.

Something on Main street, as I think Mike asked him a question about something that the seller did not like and the same guy sold me a flat car that had repro pipes on it as he did not say that in his description, so we had a little brew ha ha. I go my money back, but I am forever ban on his bids. And that is just fine, as I have no plans on bidding on his auctions anymore due to his dis honest ways..

If I remember Mike question his grading on something that was excellent, but it was broken, etc..

Sheesh.

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids


No it's the seller... I've been blocked by 2 that I know of....Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com writes:

Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below
your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had
this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked
my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the
blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62518 From: Bruce Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Mike,

I think you are talking about "MW INTERNET AUCTIONS ON MAIN". This guy is a real winner. They sell mostly crap and have misrepresented their good on numerous occasions. I once asked a question about one of his items and he sent me a rude message that did not answer my questions, saying "just look at the description". When I wrote back and told him that the description did not answer my questions and I complained that without the information, I would be hard-pressed to bid on his auction, his reply was a terse "that's the point." In other words, he would prefer to sell junk without having to describe the junk he was selling. Just check out his negative feedback rating. Absolutely pitiful. How Ebay allows a seller like this to continue selling is beyond me. It just goes to show that Ebay is more interested in high volume dealers and the dollars they generate for Ebay. In Ebay's defense, I will say that they have come a long way in protecting buyers over the last few years. And, they are responsive when you run up against a deadbeat seller. I, personally, have benefitted from their Buyer's Protection Plan in recent days.

I would not recommend anyone buying from MW Internet Auctions on Main. They are rude, unresponsive, and irresponsible in my opinion (and, apparently, many other buyers on Ebay, as evidenced by their hefty negative feedback rating.

Bruce



From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:57 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids



Mike of Oregon and I are block by the same person I believe.

Something on Main street, as I think Mike asked him a question about something that the seller did not like and the same guy sold me a flat car that had repro pipes on it as he did not say that in his description, so we had a little brew ha ha. I go my money back, but I am forever ban on his bids. And that is just fine, as I have no plans on bidding on his auctions anymore due to his dis honest ways..

If I remember Mike question his grading on something that was excellent, but it was broken, etc..

Sheesh.

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids

No it's the seller... I've been blocked by 2 that I know of....Mike in Ore

In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com writes:

Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below
your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had
this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked
my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the
blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62519 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Guys.... Talking about the MWetc..... Look at lolobanquites  they are I think the same company.... look at some of thier ads and compare.... Both KY!!!!!! Bob

--- On Tue, 12/21/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:


From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 5:42 PM


 




Mike,

I think you are talking about "MW INTERNET AUCTIONS ON MAIN". This guy is a real winner. They sell mostly crap and have misrepresented their good on numerous occasions. I once asked a question about one of his items and he sent me a rude message that did not answer my questions, saying "just look at the description". When I wrote back and told him that the description did not answer my questions and I complained that without the information, I would be hard-pressed to bid on his auction, his reply was a terse "that's the point." In other words, he would prefer to sell junk without having to describe the junk he was selling. Just check out his negative feedback rating. Absolutely pitiful. How Ebay allows a seller like this to continue selling is beyond me. It just goes to show that Ebay is more interested in high volume dealers and the dollars they generate for Ebay. In Ebay's defense, I will say that they have come a long way in protecting buyers over
the last few years. And, they are responsive when you run up against a deadbeat seller. I, personally, have benefitted from their Buyer's Protection Plan in recent days.

I would not recommend anyone buying from MW Internet Auctions on Main. They are rude, unresponsive, and irresponsible in my opinion (and, apparently, many other buyers on Ebay, as evidenced by their hefty negative feedback rating.

Bruce

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:57 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids

Mike of Oregon and I are block by the same person I believe.

Something on Main street, as I think Mike asked him a question about something that the seller did not like and the same guy sold me a flat car that had repro pipes on it as he did not say that in his description, so we had a little brew ha ha. I go my money back, but I am forever ban on his bids. And that is just fine, as I have no plans on bidding on his auctions anymore due to his dis honest ways..

If I remember Mike question his grading on something that was excellent, but it was broken, etc..

Sheesh.

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids

No it's the seller... I've been blocked by 2 that I know of....Mike in Ore

In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com writes:

Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below
your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had
this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked
my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the
blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62520 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
--- On Tue, 12/21/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:57 PM


 



Mike of Oregon and I are block by the same person I believe.

Something on Main street, as I think Mike asked him a question about something that the seller did not like and the same guy sold me a flat car that had repro pipes on it as he did not say that in his description, so we had a little brew ha ha. I go my money back, but I am forever ban on his bids. And that is just fine, as I have no plans on bidding on his auctions anymore due to his dis honest ways..

If I remember Mike question his grading on something that was excellent, but it was broken, etc..

Sheesh.

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids

No it's the seller... I've been blocked by 2 that I know of....Mike in Ore

In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com writes:

Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below
your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had
this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked
my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the
blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62521 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Alistar, I do you PayPal
Harwood






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From: alizoo <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids




Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
Alistair
On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62522 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Bruce,

That is correct, as he is in KY.

The sad thing about this guy he has over 100,000 sold items.

I remember now why I am blocked, besides the return of goods he mis-represented.

He charged for insurance, as the item did not come insured at all, as I confirmed this with the post office

I asked for this to be added to the total to be refunded to me.

The man became more of a nut case, as he kept claiming he insured the package.

He has a scam of padding the bill of sale, as think about it. he could make a 100,000 doing this.

I do know he is a vendor of U Hauls as I searched his name and place in KY.

Another fine example of a business person who is a bad apple in society.

Sorry, I broke the un-official rule of one email a day.

Otherwise, I could not add more to my take of this situation which is related to S trains.

Hey I deleted the below.

Anything else I am doing wrong here.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62523 From: eric Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy about 2
months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I remember
issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and I
really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them for
a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well packaged, he
discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very good
overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or so
negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting will
be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks

Eric Reis
Kenmore, Wa.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Alistar, I do you PayPal
> Harwood
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alizoo <alizoo@... <alizoo%40kern.com.au>>
> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
>
> Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
> enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
> Alistair
> On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
> below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
> bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
> blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
> doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62524 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Mike & all, What he is doing as far as ins. is insuring it himself.If you
think about how many items he ships he can make a ton of $$ by doing this.
He NEVER states that the item would be Postal Ins. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/21/2010 5:14:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:





Bruce,

That is correct, as he is in KY.

The sad thing about this guy he has over 100,000 sold items.

I remember now why I am blocked, besides the return of goods he
mis-represented.

He charged for insurance, as the item did not come insured at all, as I
confirmed this with the post office

I asked for this to be added to the total to be refunded to me.

The man became more of a nut case, as he kept claiming he insured the
package.

He has a scam of padding the bill of sale, as think about it. he could
make a 100,000 doing this.

I do know he is a vendor of U Hauls as I searched his name and place in KY.

Another fine example of a business person who is a bad apple in society.

Sorry, I broke the un-official rule of one email a day.

Otherwise, I could not add more to my take of this situation which is
related to S trains.

Hey I deleted the below.

Anything else I am doing wrong here.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62525 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Legally he can charge insurance by standing as his own insurer. That
means if anything goes wrong he is responsible to make good the
damage out of his own pocket. The charge is to offset any claims he
may have by accumulation of fees on items where no claim is made.
You must be careful Mike in assuming or stating publicly that he did
not insure the item. Alistair
On Wed 22/12/10 9:24 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer"
mlmarmer@... sent:
Bruce,
That is correct, as he is in KY.
The sad thing about this guy he has over 100,000 sold items.
I remember now why I am blocked, besides the return of goods he
mis-represented.
He charged for insurance, as the item did not come insured at all,
as I confirmed this with the post office
I asked for this to be added to the total to be refunded to me.
The man became more of a nut case, as he kept claiming he insured
the package.
He has a scam of padding the bill of sale, as think about it. he
could make a 100,000 doing this.
I do know he is a vendor of U Hauls as I searched his name and place
in KY.
Another fine example of a business person who is a bad apple in
society.
Sorry, I broke the un-official rule of one email a day.
Otherwise, I could not add more to my take of this situation which
is related to S trains.
Hey I deleted the below.
Anything else I am doing wrong here.
Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62526 From: eric Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: WARNING: S STUFF FOR SALE
WARNING: S Stuff for sale!

I've started a little house cleaning. Actually Trainroom cleaning. Due to
> being swamped at work I have not had much train time this year but now have
> a couple of weeks off and I can cleanup and run some trains. My layout is a
> little over 12 x 12 and I have enough stuff on it to fill all the track
> solid with trains not to mention all the bare spaces between with diecast
> cars.
>

Back to the cleanup, here are some items I am thinning out:

1: American models articulated Piggyback flatcars with trailers (5 unit
set) it is slightly used but appears in excellent condition and is all there
as best I can tell. It is in its original box with foam inserts. $100
shipping included to USA48.

2. s/sn3 modeling guide in its various configurations/names. From Volume
1#1 to volume 10 #4. 46 issues. all different, There are some missing
issues but I did go through to figure which ones. All are 3 hole punched
and are fit in 4 binders. Make me an offer and add about 12 dollars to ship
media mail.

3. All 15 issues of 3/16 "S"cale Railroading, December 89- November
92. This is the ED and Dick collaboration. All are 3 hole punched and are
in a large 3 ring binder. Make me an offer and add about $5 for media mail
shipping.

4. American models RS3 Great Northern. "new" in the box. Handrails are
still in the box. It is AC-highrail but I may have Scale wheels for it. I
can make it into any combination you want. $175, shipping included

5. American models GP35, Burlington Northern. This is used but in
excellent shape. It is also AC highrail but I think I also MAY have the
wheel sets to make it scale. $150 shipping included

6. I have a number of reverse unit PCBs taken out of S helper and
American models engines as well as the screw on Knuckle attachment plates
from the SW9's and at least 1 SW1. $20 for a set.

7. I have about 150 1/64 cars from Johnny lightning and some other
suppliers (not hotwheels) All are out of the packages. If you are
interested in a group of them I will sell them in quantity (say $30 for 20
or something) only as I don't have time for many packages. There are also
some packaged sets like the '95 Viper and Pickup (blue w stripes) dodge set
and some other. If I get some interest I will take some pictures.

Thanks for reading!! Cash, Check, M.O., Paypal all work.

Eric Reis
Kenmore, (Seattle), WA.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62527 From: rick gough Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Blocking bids is just costing them money. Weird business decision. You might identify these sellers so that we can bypass their offerings.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Tue, 12/21/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 12:57 PM


 



Mike of Oregon and I are block by the same person I believe.

Something on Main street, as I think Mike asked him a question about something that the seller did not like and the same guy sold me a flat car that had repro pipes on it as he did not say that in his description, so we had a little brew ha ha. I go my money back, but I am forever ban on his bids. And that is just fine, as I have no plans on bidding on his auctions anymore due to his dis honest ways..

If I remember Mike question his grading on something that was excellent, but it was broken, etc..

Sheesh.

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids

No it's the seller... I've been blocked by 2 that I know of....Mike in Ore

In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com writes:

Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below
your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had
this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked
my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the
blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62528 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Interesting about this guy using two different auction sites, as why would he not just continue with one very successful site for him.

I have never heard of the other site, as EBay to me, has a very wide audience. More views by possible bidders.

Could this other site has less seller fees, but could that be worth it to have less viewers. Less fees for maybe the same amount of money bided for his items.

Could the negatives be something here for him on eBay now, catching up with him.

Just curious.

Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62529 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Video, S ga. Auto. Control using NCE Mini Panel
:
TITLE: Demo of NCE Mini Panel, for rudimentary DCC Automatic Train Control

http://vimeo.com/17627955

====== A. SUMMARY"========================

This video shows a demo of the NCE (North Coast Engineering) DCC "Mini Panel", used for simple automatic control of a small DCC model railroad display.

The S gauge engine is a S HELPER SERVICE SW-9, from about the year 2000, which has a rooftop-mounted beacon, LED lights, and sound. All these special features were added by Chick Viggiano of Chick's Hobby Center in Gibbstown NJ. ((This engine was purchased back before SHS started offering them with sound and LED lights.))

The S gauge train is running on a 30-inch diameter circle of the old AF Pikemaster track. It's mounted on a 3-ft square piece of plywood, which can fit into the back of my compact 2-door automobile.

~~~ WATCHING THE DEMO PART:

There's a lot of explanatory commenting in this video (aka talking). If you want to watch only the DEMO part, click the "Pause" button on the video and let it "buffer up" for a while. Then you should be able to drag the little round "Progress Button" to about the 6 minute point, and the demo will last until about the 13 minute point.

The entire display consists of a small loop of N gauge, a small loop of S gauge, a LARGESCALE train running point to point, plus a stationary HO engine with headlight and flashing rooftop strobe light.

The Mini Panel first runs the N gauge train for about 30 seconds. 2nd, it runs the S gauge trains both backward and forward, using an electric eye in the track to stop it in front of the station. 3rd, it runs the LargeScale train point to point, using reed switches to sense the two ends of the track. It also operates the engines' bells and horns.

After it finishes running the LargeScale train, it "loops" back and starts running the N gauge train again. This "routine" continues over and over, until the operator turns it off or presses the "reset" button.

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====== B. NOTES========================

This demo is an attempt to show how the DCC Mini Panel can control not only different makes of engines, but completely different gauges of engines, as long as their decoder manufacturers adhere to the NMRA DCC standards.

The NCE Mini Panel is for use with the NCE DCC Command Station. It can be programmed using the NCE ProCab handheld throttle.
After programming is completed, you can put it into the "Operate" mode , and it can automatically run trains and do other functions.

According to the instruction manual, the primary purpose is to set up groups of switches and similar functions, but it also can be used for simple automation.

To quote someone from the NCE Yahoo group:

On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:47 AM, graemetbrown wrote:
"The Mini Panel is designed for local automation
without involving a computer.
Consider it as effectively being a programmable ProCab."

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====== C. OTHER COMMENTS========================

1. The "scale" people may find this video OFFENSIVE, as I do many unprototypical things -- such as getting people to install flashing strobe lights on top of the engine cabs where they never existed on the real engines, plus running gondolas filled with TOY bears.

2. Many THANKS to FRED CUPP ( http://DelawareAndHudson.net ) of Williamsport, Pa, for technical assistance and EDUCATING-ME, how to use DCC, and how to use the Mini Panel.

3. For those of you not familiar with DCC manufacturers, the "NCE" used to be North Coast Engineering, a well-respected company located in the Webster New York (Rochester vicinity), and I believe they do all their manufacturing at that Webster location.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62530 From: richs009 Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
I also just bought a car and an accessory from the same loboantiquities site and the box it came in had the MWIAOM return address in Cynthiana, KY. That observed, this was a good eBay experience -- the car and accessory - both of relatively recent vintage and in their respective original boxes - arrived well packaged and in a fairly short period of time via FedX ground. Shipping for the second item was discounted. So far I have had no problems with these folks and, in fact, they listed a number of items that I considered before purchasing the two that I did.

- Rich

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>
> This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy about 2
> months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
> marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I remember
> issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and I
> really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them for
> a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well packaged, he
> discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very good
> overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or so
> negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
> buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting will
> be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks
>
> Eric Reis
> Kenmore, Wa.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62531 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Sprry, use paypal





-----Original Message-----
From: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids





Alistar, I do you PayPal
Harwood

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From: alizoo <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids

Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
Alistair
On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62532 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Hi Harwood,
                   As an E Bay seller I can tell you how the blocked bids work.  You can block any buyer at any time.  Usually you have a reason to do that.  I've had buyers post negatives on me that had nothing to do with the auction.  I asked E Bay to remove the negative and once a negative is posted it stays. I blocked him. I've also had buyers send me messages about shipping & handling charges that I felt would lead to a negative so I blocked them.  You may want to try and communicate with the seller to remove the block.  I've done that with a buyer and he currently bids on some of my items.  Only a seller can block a bidder.  Ebay has nothing to do with buyers IDs on the blocks.  Other reasons for sellers canceling bids are poor feedback scores and non payment notes.  Some sellers may review these and set up blocks or cancel bids.  The only one that can remove the block is the seller.
                                                Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 12/21/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 2:06 PM







 













Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.

I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62533 From: George Cohn Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
On 12/21/2010 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
>

> I would not recommend anyone buying from MW Internet Auctions on Main.
> They are rude, unresponsive, and irresponsible in my opinion (and,
> apparently, many other buyers on Ebay, as evidenced by their hefty
> negative feedback rating.

In my nearly thousand transactions on eBay, this guy is the only one I
ever had any problems with. Shipped the wrong item, refused to respond
to e-mails about exchanging it for the correct item and when I filed a
complaint, he filed a "non-paying bidder" complaint against me!

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 62534 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Please excuse me for replying but I never thought of it that way, as you are right he just states insurance.

Sure, anyone can issue their own insurance, in a way.

And what happens if you have a claim against him.

Will he pay?

I doubt it.

Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62535 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/21/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay blocking bids
Back when the hobby shop was doing eBay, there was a guy who was just plain crooked and got so many complaints that he "disappeared" for a time. Before long a new eBay name with the same sort of stuff going on became known, and guess what? It turned out to be the same guy with different eBay name. He changed at least four times that we knew of, but eBay just kept letting him back on.
It's not just eBay, you need to be careful anywhere on the Internet. (If the crook had to run a storefront, he wouldn't be able to get away with fraud as easily.) It's left up to the buyers to keep track of who they're doing business with, and identifying the good guys or the bad guys to others is one way to do it.
Sadly, being a crook is one of the dark sides of human nature. Hence the old adage "Buyer Beware."
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62536 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group,

A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.

Thanks
Doug


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62537 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

1) I finished another section on my American Flyer layout. I'll be taking a break for the holidays, so there will be no further updates to my layout-building blog until I start in on it again.

To see pics with more details on the newly-finished section, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

2) I don't buy anything off eBay anymore. Since feedback is often held hostage, all the positive feedback in the world means nothing to me. I just wait for York twice a year, where I can pick the piece up to examine it carefully. But some people simply cannot get to a train show very often - if at all, so eBay is necessary for them. Good to know there are reputable sellers on this List.

3) Very nice instructive video on the NCE Mini Panel, Jim!

Merry Christmas to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62538 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay blocking bids
This conversation is the reason I take leaving feedback so critical and reading feedback even more so. I won't place a serious bid w/o reading a little first. Sure does save a lot of grief later on.

Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 62539 From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re Playing The Video (Vimeo)
Re the previous email I sent, re the video on VIMEO.COM :

http://vimeo.com/17627955

The following comments:

~~~~~~~1) In contrast to YouTube videos, which usually begin playing almost immediately:

Apparently sometimes the VIMEO videos have a bit of a DELAY before they being playing.

Sometimes after you click the "play" button, you might have to WAIT a good minute or more, before it actually begins playing.



~~~~~~2) FLASH PLAYER

Your Flash player also needs to be pretty much updated.

The below is copied from Vimeo's help section.

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From http://www.vimeo.com/help/faq#playing_videos

>Why can't I play a video on Vimeo?

>Make sure you have installed the newest version of Adobe Flash Player.
>You also need to have javascript enabled on your browser to load the player.
>If the video still won't play, check the Help forum to see
>if we are experiencing technical difficulties.



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On Dec 21, 2010, at 1:58 PM, somebody wrote:

> Hey Jim.
> Try as I might, I can't get the video to open and play. Any suggestions ?
> THX in Advance



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62540 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
As much as I hate to prolong this topic, I have to chime in here.

(a) Mike is correct.....there is nothing wrong with self-insuring. I
consider ALL of my S-scale (to keep on topic!) shipments to be insured.
If a package is never received, or damaged, I replace it at my own
expense, if I chose not to pay the carrier's insurance.

(b) There are 3rd-party insurance options available to businesses. For a
fixed-cost monthly payment, we can have any or all of our S-scale
shipments insured through that third party. No payment is made to the
USPS, UPS, FedEx, etc, for insurance coverage, and the packages are not
marked as "insured"......but they are. This form of insurance is FAR
more reasonable than the costs of insuring individual packages through
the carriers.

I think (b) is the most significant here, because unless you're in
business and do a lot of shipping, you are probably totally unaware that
this even exists. You can be receiving packages that are not indicated
as being "insured", but indeed they are!





<<< What he is doing as far as ins. is insuring it himself...........
He NEVER states that the item would be Postal Ins. Mike
>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62541 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
I suspect you are remembering Mark B. Preman.

My recollection is that he sold out, and no longer is a seller. Perhaps someone else will know more. Assuming I am correct with my guess on Mark.


From: scubadoo2@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer





Group,

A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.

Thanks
Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62542 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Doug, I think it was Ron Levington (sp) out of the state of Washington.
That's about all I can remember, Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/22/2010 5:29:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
scubadoo2@... writes:






Group,

A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.

Thanks
Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62543 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Here is what I found for Ron: The Hobby LAYOUTS OPERATING TRAINS
DISPLAYING TRAINS COLLECTING TRAINS ... 201-227-5484 Ron Leventon Leventon's Hobby
Supply - AF supplies PO


In a message dated 12/22/2010 5:29:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
scubadoo2@... writes:






Group,

A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.

Thanks
Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62544 From: Bruce Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Eric,

My guess is that the negatives he was piling up under "MW Internet Auctions" were getting excessive and he might have been losing business because of it, so he changed names. I also noticed that when he started selling under his new moniker, he had a decent positive rating. But now, he is starting to rack up the negatives again under his new name. It won't be long before he gets to the point where he'll be changing names again.

I think the fact that he sells in volume, he is overwhelmed by the business he is generating. Couple that with his lack of business savvy and rude disposition and this is what you get.

The way I look at it is if you buy from this guy, it's a crap shoot if you receive the correct item, receive the item in the advertised condition, or receive your item at all. You were one of the fortunate ones.

Bruce



From: eric
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids



This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy about 2
months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I remember
issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and I
really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them for
a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well packaged, he
discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very good
overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or so
negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting will
be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks

Eric Reis
Kenmore, Wa.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Alistar, I do you PayPal
> Harwood
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alizoo <alizoo@... <alizoo%40kern.com.au>>
> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
>
> Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
> enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
> Alistair
> On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
> below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
> bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
> blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
> doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62545 From: Neil Trump Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
The person you are looking for is Ray Ellen at www.trainmarket.com

Regards,

Sent from my iPad

On 22 Dec 2010, at 13:19, scubadoo2@... wrote:

>
>
> Group,
>
> A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
> accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
> (can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
> was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
> he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
> enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.
>
> Thanks
> Doug
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62546 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: 336 Engine Question
A question for the group..

The 336 Northern that was used in the 1955 set 5565W.

The "New" Flying Freighter . Did that engine have a

four prong plug to connect to the tender, or was it

hard wired..?

Thank you for your help..

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 62547 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Drive-in Theatre?
I would like to thank everyone that responded to my question about setting up a portable DVD player on my American Flyer Lay-out. Do these 7" DVD players have built in speakers, or do you have to buy speakers to go with it? Also, does anyone know the date of the "Classic Toy Trains" article about this topic?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62548 From: mike rosz Date: 12/22/2010
Subject:
He maybe was listed in the Heimberger house S-GAUGIAN magazine as a repair
person, who was a dealer also.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62549 From: Paul Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: loboantiquities and MW on Main
I agree, surely he is one and the same. the addresses and type of
products he sells say it is so.
just a couple of weeks ago, I purchased a large order from
loboantiquities, no serious problems.
granted I would have liked a bit more personal attention considering the
size of the order, but he
did answer questions before the auction was through and after when he
sent an invoice. he was a
couple of weeks behind on leaving feedback for anyone, one gentle
question (reminder) and he
quickly caught it all up. shipping was within an acceptable time frame
considering the time he
invested in packing. I would go back if I am not blocked for buying so
much and kind of abusing
his "free after the largest single shipping cost" policy. prices seemed
a bit high on K line cars, but take
away the shipping and I felt like I did OK. a new mikado and 48 cars
shipped for $12 in 2 large boxes.
his packing was impeccable, each car wrapped individually or in pairs in
a foam sheet and taped. yes,
2 cars had O trucks and were in S boxes, but I will just give them to my
grandson rather than gripe,
no big loss. now I have lots of good rolling, cheap, colorful freight cars.
waiting to see if the mikado will pull 50 cars on the club's 32X20
layout. paul in SW Ohio




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62551 From: David Haslauer Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: 336 Engine Question
Mike,

I have attached a PDF file of an "exploded view" for a #336. This one seems to
have a four prong plug. As for your 1955 #336 maybe others in the group will
have more details.

David
New Orleans







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From: "mikejoan45@..." <mikejoan45@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 10:01:14 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 Engine Question


A question for the group..

The 336 Northern that was used in the 1955 set 5565W.

The "New" Flying Freighter . Did that engine have a

four prong plug to connect to the tender, or was it

hard wired..?

Thank you for your help..

Mike






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Group: S-Trains Message: 62552 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: 336 Engine Question
Hi Mike,
� 1955 336 Loco is direct wired.  1953 336 was connected with a 4 prong plug.
� Tom Seccia

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> wrote:

From: mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 Engine Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 11:01 AM







 









A question for the group..



The 336 Northern that was used in the 1955 set 5565W.



The "New" Flying Freighter . Did that engine have a



four prong plug to connect to the tender, or was it



hard wired..?



Thank you for your help..



Mike























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62553 From: zu5249s Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Hi, I have been a member of this group for several years and have learned a lot about S guage trains. This is my first post, just had to speak out about MW Internet Auctions. I have dealth with them several times over the past five years. I have never been disappointed. All the Flyer was always as described, well packed, fast shipping. I am talking 12 or 15 deals over 5 years. Dave.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Eric,
>
> My guess is that the negatives he was piling up under "MW Internet Auctions" were getting excessive and he might have been losing business because of it, so he changed names. I also noticed that when he started selling under his new moniker, he had a decent positive rating. But now, he is starting to rack up the negatives again under his new name. It won't be long before he gets to the point where he'll be changing names again.
>
> I think the fact that he sells in volume, he is overwhelmed by the business he is generating. Couple that with his lack of business savvy and rude disposition and this is what you get.
>
> The way I look at it is if you buy from this guy, it's a crap shoot if you receive the correct item, receive the item in the advertised condition, or receive your item at all. You were one of the fortunate ones.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: eric
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:52 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
>
>
>
> This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy about 2
> months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
> marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I remember
> issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and I
> really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them for
> a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well packaged, he
> discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very good
> overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or so
> negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
> buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting will
> be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks
>
> Eric Reis
> Kenmore, Wa.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Alistar, I do you PayPal
> > Harwood
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alizoo <alizoo@... <alizoo%40kern.com.au>>
> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
> >
> > Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
> > enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
> > Alistair
> > On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> > Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
> > below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
> > bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> > I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
> > blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
> > doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> > Harwood
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> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZDZ1YmVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTA-?act=reply&messageNum=62513<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZDZ1YmVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTA-?act=reply&messageNum=62513>
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> > [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/>
> > [5]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62554 From: George Cohn Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
On 12/22/2010 9:07 AM, Ruth A Leahy wrote:
> I would like to thank everyone that responded to my question about
> setting up a portable DVD player on my American Flyer Lay-out. Do these
> 7" DVD players have built in speakers, or do you have to buy speakers to
> go with it? Also, does anyone know the date of the "Classic Toy Trains"
> article about this topic?

If you use the Haier 7 inch TV set http://tinyurl.com/2em269g from
Amazon ($50) it has stereo speakers and audio video inputs as well as an
RF input with tuner.

Couple that with a cheap $35 DVD player, http://tinyurl.com/29ydx2c and
you have a great drive-in screen that allows you to remote the DVD
player close to your operating controls.

I may try "bread boarding" an example later today on a table along with
some cars and a train and if I do, I'll post a youtube video of it in
action.

You might need to add some plastruct girders around the TV to kind of
hide the controls and inputs but I think it will look very realistic in
the end. I just scaled it out using my S-Gauge ruler and it is roughly
40 scale feet wide and 30 scale feet high.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 62555 From: Bruce Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
That may be the case, but his "personal insurance" is about as worthless as Pontiac stock, as evidenced by the numerous complaints he has received via feedback and his response, or lack of, concerning same.

Bruce



From: anormal1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBay Blocking Bids



Mike & all, What he is doing as far as ins. is insuring it himself.If you
think about how many items he ships he can make a ton of $$ by doing this.
He NEVER states that the item would be Postal Ins. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/21/2010 5:14:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Bruce,

That is correct, as he is in KY.

The sad thing about this guy he has over 100,000 sold items.

I remember now why I am blocked, besides the return of goods he
mis-represented.

He charged for insurance, as the item did not come insured at all, as I
confirmed this with the post office

I asked for this to be added to the total to be refunded to me.

The man became more of a nut case, as he kept claiming he insured the
package.

He has a scam of padding the bill of sale, as think about it. he could
make a 100,000 doing this.

I do know he is a vendor of U Hauls as I searched his name and place in KY.

Another fine example of a business person who is a bad apple in society.

Sorry, I broke the un-official rule of one email a day.

Otherwise, I could not add more to my take of this situation which is
related to S trains.

Hey I deleted the below.

Anything else I am doing wrong here.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62557 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Mine has built in speakers but for realism you need a bunch of tiny
speakers on posts, 1 for each car.

Can't hear the movie soundtrack at a real drive in without the speakers.

Or if a modern drive in, use the local low power FM broadcast and
eliminate the speakers.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/22/2010 11:07 AM, Ruth A Leahy wrote:
>
> I would like to thank everyone that responded to my question about
> setting up a portable DVD player on my American Flyer Lay-out. Do
> these 7" DVD players have built in speakers, or do you have to buy
> speakers to go with it? Also, does anyone know the date of the
> "Classic Toy Trains" article about this topic?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62558 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Built in speakers, but one that I saw had plug-ins for earphones and I
presume, auxiliary speakers.
Roy


on 12/22/10 10:07 AM, Ruth A Leahy at ruth.leahy@... wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> I would like to thank everyone that responded to my question about setting up
> a portable DVD player on my American Flyer Lay-out. Do these 7" DVD players
> have built in speakers, or do you have to buy speakers to go with it? Also,
> does anyone know the date of the "Classic Toy Trains" article about this
> topic?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62559 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
I think you are right, the name sounds very familiar.

However, I did receive some other good links to folks selling AF, so
I'm confident I'm going to find what I want.

I tried ebay, but unless I sit at my computer 15 hours a day, I
won't catch any bargins there. Plus it's hit or miss on the wish
list at Ebay.

Doug
On Wed 22/12/10 9:30 AM , "Mark Kiner" robbe_wan@... sent:
I suspect you are remembering Mark B. Preman.
My recollection is that he sold out, and no longer is a seller.
Perhaps someone else will know more. Assuming I am correct with my
guess on Mark.
From: scubadoo2@... [1]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group,
A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.
Thanks
Doug
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[3]
mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Looking%20for%20American%20Flyer%20dealer
[4]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMmVtdDA2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjU0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTMwMzAyNjY-?act=reply&messageNum=62541
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62536;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NjNqMG83BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjU0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTMwMzAyNjYEdHBjSWQDNjI1MzY-
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62560 From: workinalure Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, scubadoo2@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I think you are right, the name sounds very familiar.
>
> However, I did receive some other good links to folks selling AF, so
> I'm confident I'm going to find what I want.
>
> I tried ebay, but unless I sit at my computer 15 hours a day, I
> won't catch any bargins there. Plus it's hit or miss on the wish
> list at Ebay.
>
> Doug
> On Wed 22/12/10 9:30 AM , "Mark Kiner" robbe_wan@... sent:
> I suspect you are remembering Mark B. Preman.
> My recollection is that he sold out, and no longer is a seller.
> Perhaps someone else will know more. Assuming I am correct with my
> guess on Mark.
> From: scubadoo2@... [1]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:19 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]
> Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer
> Group,
> A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
> accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
> (can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
> was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
> he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
> enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.
> Thanks
> Doug
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] mailto:scubadoo2@...
> [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> [3]
> mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Looking%20for%20American%20Flyer%20dealer
> [4]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMmVtdDA2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjU0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTMwMzAyNjY-?act=reply&messageNum=62541
> [5]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62536;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NjNqMG83BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjU0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTMwMzAyNjYEdHBjSWQDNjI1MzY-
> [6] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62561 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Hi.  I'm an S-Trains member and I sell AF trains as well.  Please check out my
website at www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  I have some reasonable prices on
excellent operator equipment.  You can contact me by e-mail from my website. 
Merry Christmas.

Bob



________________________________
From: "scubadoo2@..." <scubadoo2@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 10:29:26 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer

 


I think you are right, the name sounds very familiar.

However, I did receive some other good links to folks selling AF, so
I'm confident I'm going to find what I want.

I tried ebay, but unless I sit at my computer 15 hours a day, I
won't catch any bargins there. Plus it's hit or miss on the wish
list at Ebay.

Doug
On Wed 22/12/10 9:30 AM , "Mark Kiner" robbe_wan@... sent:
I suspect you are remembering Mark B. Preman.
My recollection is that he sold out, and no longer is a seller.
Perhaps someone else will know more. Assuming I am correct with my
guess on Mark.
From: scubadoo2@... [1]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer
Group,
A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.
Thanks
Doug
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[4]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMmVtdDA2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjU0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTMwMzAyNjY-?act=reply&messageNum=62541

[5]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62536;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NjNqMG83BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjU0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTMwMzAyNjYEdHBjSWQDNjI1MzY-

[6] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62562 From: grant bishop Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
George

Even if the player does not have speakers - a cheap pair of computer
speakers can be added on for $5 or $10 directly or with an adapter.
Contact me if you need help.



Interesting fact: Many years I worked on the Polaris Missile program and
tested the missile with equipment (pronounced) Dit McCo which started out
as the Drive In Theater Movie Corporation.

The system they used to test all the speakers and see which one people drove
off with was also used for testing Nuclear Missiles and worked great for 30
yrs!



Grant Bishop

^--^ ( WOOF! )
(o o)------- ^
/ o \ --------))
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/_\ /_\





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62563 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
The DVD player that I have has a built in speaker.  However, it isn't very load.  If you are in a quiet room it is OK, but at a train show it isn't load enough.  I use external speakers to boost the sound a bit.

Len

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:

From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 9:07 AM







 









I would like to thank everyone that responded to my question about setting up a portable DVD player on my American Flyer Lay-out. Do these 7" DVD players have built in speakers, or do you have to buy speakers to go with it? Also, does anyone know the date of the "Classic Toy Trains" article about this topic?



Thanks,



Mike Leahy























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62564 From: George Cohn Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
On 12/22/2010 3:21 PM, Lennis Hall wrote:
> The DVD player that I have has a built in speaker. However, it isn't
> very load. If you are in a quiet room it is OK, but at a train show it
> isn't load enough. I use external speakers to boost the sound a bit.

And might I suggest that you visit this site:

http://www.drive-infilm.com/dvd_video.htm

for a couple of dvd's to show on your mini screen? These are the old
fashioned count down clocks and cartoon commercials that were a staple
during the break between films during the heyday of the drive-ins of the
'50's and '60's.

They will bring a smile to the older folks and the young kids will
wonder what the heck they are talking about.

Most of these were produced to encourage snack-bar business as 70% or
more of a movie theaters gross comes from food sales. They often had
spots for local businesses as well as television wasn't as ubiquitous as
it is now. Some even have cute cartoons showing what to do if you
accidentally tore off a speaker from it's pole.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 62565 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Doug,

When you emailed me last night I could not remember who this could be, as someone just mentioned Mark.

Dave Blum brought his business.

http://www.americanflyertrains.com/

he still used Mark’s website, that Dave now owns.

Mike

From: scubadoo2@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer




Group,

A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.

Thanks
Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62566 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/22/2010
Subject: Warning Silly email, do not read, if silliness is offensive.
YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!

I would like to announce that the special track string air hoses have arrived today, undamaged, how can you damage string? and safely, in this wonderful UPS box with lots of protective foam peanuts.

WOW this is incredible.

The string looks like sperm to me that has gone wild.

Anyway, I will give you future updates on the future progress on putting this string on the track gang accessory.

Lionel’s year end profit statement will be very good due to me.

Thank you.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62567 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Thanks for the suggestion.  However, those videos are fine for old timers.  That isn't what the children want to watch today.  I show the Movie "Cars".  They relate to that and watch it extensively.

Len

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:




And might I suggest that you visit this site:



http://www.drive-infilm.com/dvd_video.htm



for a couple of dvd's to show on your mini screen? These are the old

fashioned count down clocks and cartoon commercials that were a staple

during the break between films during the heyday of the drive-ins of the

'50's and '60's.



They will bring a smile to the older folks and the young kids will

wonder what the heck they are talking about.



Most of these were produced to encourage snack-bar business as 70% or

more of a movie theaters gross comes from food sales. They often had

spots for local businesses as well as television wasn't as ubiquitous as

it is now. Some even have cute cartoons showing what to do if you

accidentally tore off a speaker from it's pole.



George Cohn























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62568 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Hello friends:

While Doug has received good advice about where to by AF trains online, I had another thought as to who he might be remembering. A while back (Just how long, I can't remember) Michael Kolosseus, a long time AF operator and collector in the Seattle area retired and decided to sell off much, if not all, of his collection. Over a period of several months, he sent out emails to members of this list and other AF collectors with a Microsoft Word document attached that contained a list of what he had available for sale at that time.

His list reminded me of the old typed lists we old timers used to get from sellers by sending an SSAE (That's Stamped Self Addressed Envelope for those of you who weren't into buying used trains before eBay.) I corresponded with Mike and bought a couple of AF Minicraft Buildings from him.

Mike had been a significant member of the AF collector community in the Northwest and his layout was featured in the TM video "Fun and Thrills with American Flyer Trains." Unfortunately for Doug, Mike stopped issuing his list when he completed the liquidation of his collection as planned.

Anyway, that is who popped into my mind when I read Doug's post.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: scubadoo2@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer





Group,

A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.

Thanks
Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62569 From: John McAlonan Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
George - What a great web site. I just wasted a half hour watching "visit our clean, attractive refreshment stand" commercials. LOL.
Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 62570 From: JohnM Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: removing studs
Anyone have any suggestions for removing the studs that attach the metal bases to the plastic parts of train cars without damaging anything? For repairs, etc. Know it should be fairly easy.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62571 From: Timboy Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: The Twelve Days of This Holiday Season
On the twelfth day of this holiday season, AC Gilbert gave to me:
12 High Trestles,
11 Assorted Freight Cars,
10 Boxes of Straight Track,
9 Pairs of Switches,
8 Action Box Cars,
7 New Haven Pax Cars,
6 Baldwin Switchers,
5 Royal Blues…
4 ABAs,
3 Hudsons chuffing,
2 Silver Bullets,
And a boxed set Challenger.

HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON FROM TIMBOY!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 62573 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
Hi David.  I'm experimenting with my non-twine 594 Track Gang hoses.  I
purchased 3/32" polyolefin heat shrink tubing from Home Depot, and inserted
tubing from generator to jack hammers on workman figures.  To straighten out the
hose I inserted thin solder wire to mold the shape of the hoses.  The hoses seem
flexible enough and should work back and forth when I hook up the accessory. 
I'll let you know the results when I get around to testing.

Merry Christmas

Bob




________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 8:33:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted

 
Hi Mike,

I used some wire from my computer parts drawer. It appears to be 36 gauge
according to the micrometer. I used Aileens Tacky Glue to attached the wire. I
glued the wire in the groove on the underside of the jackhammers.

The wire is too stiff to suit me. I would prefer it to be more limber. When I
get in the right frame of mind to try it, I'll try to remove the wire from the
insulation. I think the empty insulation will look more realistic!

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Nicely done, looks pretty good.
>
> What kind of glue did you use.
>
> Did you use wire, if so what size.
>
> Mike
>
> From: bull_gator_1
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:45 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Non-Twine Track Gang Video Posted
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I threw away the Lionel twine and added some black air hoses to my track gang.
>The hoses are a little too stiff to suit me, but they beat the $%&$ out of that
>stupid twine - lol.
>
> Luckily Katy is on the warm side of that major cold wave, so I made a video of
>the track gang working hard under the hot Texas sun! You can view the video
>here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ
>
> While you're at YouTube, check out my other videos too!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
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>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62574 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Heat them with a soldering iron and pull them straight up. Do not twist
them.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 12/23/2010 11:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jmaclennan@... writes:




Anyone have any suggestions for removing the studs that attach the metal
bases to the plastic parts of train cars without damaging anything? For
repairs, etc. Know it should be fairly easy.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62575 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Hi John,

I have used - maybe I should say mis-used - the flush cutters that are
so handy for cutting stuff. In this case, I gently slip them under the
head of the stud and slowly work it out. Most of the ones I have seen
have diagonal ridges - something like threads but at a very steep angle
- spiraling down wards. So, they need to be allowed to rotate as the
stud comes out. Be gentle and they will come.

Merry Christmas,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JohnM
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] removing studs


Anyone have any suggestions for removing the studs that attach the metal
bases to the plastic parts of train cars without damaging anything? For
repairs, etc. Know it should be fairly easy.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62576 From: richs009 Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
I've done the same as Bill Porter- only I've used a very thin blade screwdriver. It takes a bit of time, but as Bill says, if you work carefully, the drive screws (I think that's what they are called) will come out and not damage the hole so reinsertion is possible.

I've seen elsewhere the recommendation of heating the screw with a soldering iron. Though I'm sure it will work in terms of getting the drive screw extracted, the possibility of disaster is just a slip of the wrist away. First, I'd worry about leaving the soldering iron on the screw too long (or otherwise applying too much heat), which could damage the plastic corner of the car or could make the material so soft that when the drive screw comes out, the remaining hole will be too large or mis-shapen for reassembly. Not good outcomes in either event. Then there is, of course, the possibility of getting the soldering iron on the plastic itself. I'm sure practice makes perfect, but I don't have that many sacrificial cars to learn on. I'd go with the aforementioned mechanical method.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I have used - maybe I should say mis-used - the flush cutters that are
> so handy for cutting stuff. In this case, I gently slip them under the
> head of the stud and slowly work it out. Most of the ones I have seen
> have diagonal ridges - something like threads but at a very steep angle
> - spiraling down wards. So, they need to be allowed to rotate as the
> stud comes out. Be gentle and they will come.
>
> Merry Christmas,
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of JohnM
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:54 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] removing studs
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for removing the studs that attach the metal
> bases to the plastic parts of train cars without damaging anything? For
> repairs, etc. Know it should be fairly easy.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62577 From: scubadoo2 Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for American Flyer dealer
Thanks Alan,
I received lots of good info from the list, as to where to buy AF stuff, and I appreciate all the responses I received. I have not yet replied to all who have made offers, but I will over the next week or so....Christmas is keeping me real busy, and so is the new job.
Thanks to all, and have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year....

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan and Sherry Bennett
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer



Hello friends:

While Doug has received good advice about where to by AF trains online, I had another thought as to who he might be remembering. A while back (Just how long, I can't remember) Michael Kolosseus, a long time AF operator and collector in the Seattle area retired and decided to sell off much, if not all, of his collection. Over a period of several months, he sent out emails to members of this list and other AF collectors with a Microsoft Word document attached that contained a list of what he had available for sale at that time.

His list reminded me of the old typed lists we old timers used to get from sellers by sending an SSAE (That's Stamped Self Addressed Envelope for those of you who weren't into buying used trains before eBay.) I corresponded with Mike and bought a couple of AF Minicraft Buildings from him.

Mike had been a significant member of the AF collector community in the Northwest and his layout was featured in the TM video "Fun and Thrills with American Flyer Trains." Unfortunately for Doug, Mike stopped issuing his list when he completed the liquidation of his collection as planned.

Anyway, that is who popped into my mind when I read Doug's post.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: scubadoo2@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for American Flyer dealer

Group,

A few years ago, there was someone selling American Flyer trains and
accessories. He would publish a list via email every week or month
(can't remember which) of all the AF stuff he had for sale. The list
was usually close to a page long. Does anyone know who it was and is
he still selling? I'm looking to partially rebuild my AF collection,
enought to have a basement layout for the Grandkids.

Thanks
Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62578 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
I usually slip a wide exacto blade between the plastic and the metal.... gently twist back and forth... very gently and you will see the crack open... uses the plate to push the pin up.... Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 12/23/10, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote:


From: richs009 <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: removing studs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 4:33 PM


 



I've done the same as Bill Porter- only I've used a very thin blade screwdriver. It takes a bit of time, but as Bill says, if you work carefully, the drive screws (I think that's what they are called) will come out and not damage the hole so reinsertion is possible.

I've seen elsewhere the recommendation of heating the screw with a soldering iron. Though I'm sure it will work in terms of getting the drive screw extracted, the possibility of disaster is just a slip of the wrist away. First, I'd worry about leaving the soldering iron on the screw too long (or otherwise applying too much heat), which could damage the plastic corner of the car or could make the material so soft that when the drive screw comes out, the remaining hole will be too large or mis-shapen for reassembly. Not good outcomes in either event. Then there is, of course, the possibility of getting the soldering iron on the plastic itself. I'm sure practice makes perfect, but I don't have that many sacrificial cars to learn on. I'd go with the aforementioned mechanical method.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I have used - maybe I should say mis-used - the flush cutters that are
> so handy for cutting stuff. In this case, I gently slip them under the
> head of the stud and slowly work it out. Most of the ones I have seen
> have diagonal ridges - something like threads but at a very steep angle
> - spiraling down wards. So, they need to be allowed to rotate as the
> stud comes out. Be gentle and they will come.
>
> Merry Christmas,
> Bill
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of JohnM
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:54 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] removing studs
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for removing the studs that attach the metal
> bases to the plastic parts of train cars without damaging anything? For
> repairs, etc. Know it should be fairly easy.
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62580 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: WARNING NON SERIOUS TRAIN EMAIL
I was watching the news earlier, as they did the usual story about shopping in the mall with 2 days left to Christmas.

And yes, they did interview Santa.

The reporter asked Santa what was the most popular toys among boys and girls. For girls Barbie is still the most asked for.

For boys, Santa said cars, trucks and trains.

So, there still is interest in trains by young kids.

And since Santa did not specify what gauge, this is a generic one size fits all email.


Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62581 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: T'was The Night Before Christmas - 2010 Edition
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Jim Lyle

I "lifted" this from the TTML provided by TCA. . To whit--




The following 'story', (adapted from an original by Clarence Clarke Moore)
takes place each Christmas Eve at the Central Railroad of New Jersey's
Bloomsbury Freight yard in northwest Warren County, NJ...a few miles from the
Ready Made Trains/RMT office.

Once again, we would like to share it with you and your family.

Merry Christmas!

Walter and Susie Matuch
Ready Made Trains, LLC



***************************************************************



T'was The Night Before Christmas - 2010 Edition



T'was the night before Christmas and all through the yard,
Every brakeman was on duty and working quite hard.
The extra list was depleted and all were quite tired,
But work they must or else just get fired!

Each yard track was filled with boxcars of toys
Lots of dolls for the girls and toy trains for the boys.
The yard boss was screaming into the speaker alright
Let's get those tracks switched out so we can call it a night.

So out of the dunnigan they flew like a flash,
Tore across the yard lead and made a mad dash.
Checking the switch list and chalking the cars
The sky was pitch black except for the stars.

The freight cars were all flying and moving quite fast
The pace was tremendous and surely would not last
Over at the roundhouse, it was quite the same
The Christmas Eve Special was a most important train.

The engines were serviced and sat by the shed
Ready for whatever long trip lay ahead.
This train was important and that was made clear
It was powered by new BEEF® diesels instead of reindeer.




Three A-B-A little diesels were ready to go,
Glistening underneath a light cover of snow.
Usually steam-powered in many years past
These little BEEF® diesels were sturdy and fast.

The hogger marked up...the best on the list
He checked the engines and nothing was amiss.
A CNJ veteran of many, many years
A ringing bell was simply music to his ears.

The engineer was Santa...of course we all knew
And believe it you must because it is true.
Many miles tonite this special train would run
Completing its long journey before the Christmas morn sun.

The Christmas Train was soon complete...engines, freight cars and hack
Santa whistled the air test and looked down the track.
All signals were green and glowed bright in the night.
A highball came from the conductor that relayed all was right.



Slowly Santa notched out the throttle and the BEEF®s answered the call

As the train passed the shanty it was looked over by all.
No hotbox or stuck brake was heard as it passed
Because soon on the mainline the speed would be fast.

With Santa at the throttle...now in Run 8
A schedule had to be kept and no time to be late.
As the caboose markers glowing red into the night
The Christmas Express was soon out of sight.

Over the train radio came a message...loud and quite clear
It rattled across the yard for all the brakies to hear
"Your job is complete...the train is right
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!!!


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62582 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/23/2010
Subject: Re: T'was The Night Before Christmas - 2010 Edition
That's real!  THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- On Thu, 12/23/10, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote:

From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] T'was The Night Before Christmas - 2010 Edition
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, S-scale@yahoogroups.com, Plasticville@yahoogroups.com, buildingsandstructures@yahoogroups.com, Model_Railroad_Structures@yahoogroups.com, AmericanFlyerTrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 8:28 PM
















 









MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

Jim Lyle



I "lifted" this from the TTML provided by TCA. . To whit--









The following 'story', (adapted from an original by Clarence Clarke Moore)

takes place each Christmas Eve at the Central Railroad of New Jersey's

Bloomsbury Freight yard in northwest Warren County, NJ...a few miles from the

Ready Made Trains/RMT office.



Once again, we would like to share it with you and your family.



Merry Christmas!



Walter and Susie Matuch

Ready Made Trains, LLC



***************************************************************



T'was The Night Before Christmas - 2010 Edition



T'was the night before Christmas and all through the yard,

Every brakeman was on duty and working quite hard.

The extra list was depleted and all were quite tired,

But work they must or else just get fired!



Each yard track was filled with boxcars of toys

Lots of dolls for the girls and toy trains for the boys.

The yard boss was screaming into the speaker alright

Let's get those tracks switched out so we can call it a night.



So out of the dunnigan they flew like a flash,

Tore across the yard lead and made a mad dash.

Checking the switch list and chalking the cars

The sky was pitch black except for the stars.



The freight cars were all flying and moving quite fast

The pace was tremendous and surely would not last

Over at the roundhouse, it was quite the same

The Christmas Eve Special was a most important train.



The engines were serviced and sat by the shed

Ready for whatever long trip lay ahead.

This train was important and that was made clear

It was powered by new BEEF® diesels instead of reindeer.



Three A-B-A little diesels were ready to go,

Glistening underneath a light cover of snow.

Usually steam-powered in many years past

These little BEEF® diesels were sturdy and fast.



The hogger marked up...the best on the list

He checked the engines and nothing was amiss.

A CNJ veteran of many, many years

A ringing bell was simply music to his ears.



The engineer was Santa...of course we all knew

And believe it you must because it is true.

Many miles tonite this special train would run

Completing its long journey before the Christmas morn sun.



The Christmas Train was soon complete...engines, freight cars and hack

Santa whistled the air test and looked down the track.

All signals were green and glowed bright in the night.

A highball came from the conductor that relayed all was right.



Slowly Santa notched out the throttle and the BEEF®s answered the call



As the train passed the shanty it was looked over by all.

No hotbox or stuck brake was heard as it passed

Because soon on the mainline the speed would be fast.



With Santa at the throttle...now in Run 8

A schedule had to be kept and no time to be late.

As the caboose markers glowing red into the night

The Christmas Express was soon out of sight.



Over the train radio came a message...loud and quite clear

It rattled across the yard for all the brakies to hear

"Your job is complete...the train is right

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!!!



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62583 From: Larry Asp Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: removing studs
Portlines sells a "Chip Lifter" tool that works quite well for this job. It has a very thin split blade that can be worked under the head of the stud. Doug may still sell them, or you might try a computer repair or electronic parts store.


On 2010-12-23, at 4:33 PM, richs009 wrote:

> I've done the same as Bill Porter- only I've used a very thin blade screwdriver. It takes a bit of time, but as Bill says, if you work carefully, the drive screws (I think that's what they are called) will come out and not damage the hole so reinsertion is possible.
>
> I've seen elsewhere the recommendation of heating the screw with a soldering iron. Though I'm sure it will work in terms of getting the drive screw extracted, the possibility of disaster is just a slip of the wrist away. First, I'd worry about leaving the soldering iron on the screw too long (or otherwise applying too much heat), which could damage the plastic corner of the car or could make the material so soft that when the drive screw comes out, the remaining hole will be too large or mis-shapen for reassembly. Not good outcomes in either event. Then there is, of course, the possibility of getting the soldering iron on the plastic itself. I'm sure practice makes perfect, but I don't have that many sacrificial cars to learn on. I'd go with the aforementioned mechanical method.
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have used - maybe I should say mis-used - the flush cutters that are
>> so handy for cutting stuff. In this case, I gently slip them under the
>> head of the stud and slowly work it out. Most of the ones I have seen
>> have diagonal ridges - something like threads but at a very steep angle
>> - spiraling down wards. So, they need to be allowed to rotate as the
>> stud comes out. Be gentle and they will come.
>>
>> Merry Christmas,
>> Bill
>>
>> Reply from Bill Porter
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of JohnM
>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:54 PM
>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [S-Trains] removing studs
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions for removing the studs that attach the metal
>> bases to the plastic parts of train cars without damaging anything? For
>> repairs, etc. Know it should be fairly easy.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62584 From: Bruce Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Here is an example of what I am talking about that MW Internet, er, Lolobanquites frequently offers for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CROSSING-SIGNAL-SHORT-FLASHER-PARTS-/330511446298?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf404711a

And, here's another beautiful example of junk:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-BELL-RINGING-CROSSING-PLATFORM-/250746468754?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a61a77992


I have NEVER seen anyone offer up junk like this for sale with a straight face. Would any of you feel comfortable offering this for sale or would you hide it in your parts drawer? I bet the latter.

Check his many negatives, even under his new name.

I rest my case.

Bruce DeGailler, Sr.



From: zu5249s
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:09 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids



Hi, I have been a member of this group for several years and have learned a lot about S guage trains. This is my first post, just had to speak out about MW Internet Auctions. I have dealth with them several times over the past five years. I have never been disappointed. All the Flyer was always as described, well packed, fast shipping. I am talking 12 or 15 deals over 5 years. Dave.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Eric,
>
> My guess is that the negatives he was piling up under "MW Internet Auctions" were getting excessive and he might have been losing business because of it, so he changed names. I also noticed that when he started selling under his new moniker, he had a decent positive rating. But now, he is starting to rack up the negatives again under his new name. It won't be long before he gets to the point where he'll be changing names again.
>
> I think the fact that he sells in volume, he is overwhelmed by the business he is generating. Couple that with his lack of business savvy and rude disposition and this is what you get.
>
> The way I look at it is if you buy from this guy, it's a crap shoot if you receive the correct item, receive the item in the advertised condition, or receive your item at all. You were one of the fortunate ones.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: eric
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:52 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
>
>
>
> This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy about 2
> months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
> marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I remember
> issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and I
> really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them for
> a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well packaged, he
> discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very good
> overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or so
> negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
> buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting will
> be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks
>
> Eric Reis
> Kenmore, Wa.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Alistar, I do you PayPal
> > Harwood
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alizoo <alizoo@... <alizoo%40kern.com.au>>
> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
> >
> > Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
> > enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
> > Alistair
> > On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> > Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
> > below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
> > bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> > I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
> > blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
> > doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> > Harwood
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail -
> > http://www.adam.com.au/
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1]
> > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > ?subject=Re:%20Ebay%20Blocking%20Bids
> > [2]
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZDZ1YmVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTA-?act=reply&messageNum=62513<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZDZ1YmVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTA-?act=reply&messageNum=62513>
> > [3]
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62513;_ylc=X3oDMTM0c2tuZTdlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTAEdHBjSWQDNjI1MTM-
> > [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/>
> > [5]
> >
> > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o8e18ac/M=493064.13983314.14041046.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1292968410/L=fc3fb188-0d3b-11e0-bc40-17d0ab3a4b52/B=wMCxCUoGYrc-/J=1292961210750532/K=wXNA3PSbH.s6Ugd7Rpp48Q/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj
> > [6]
> >
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> > [7]
> >
> > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15okmv6bg/M=493064.14012770.13963757.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1292968410/L=fc3fb188-0d3b-11e0-bc40-17d0ab3a4b52/B=wsCxCUoGYrc-/J=1292961210750532/K=wXNA3PSbH.s6Ugd7Rpp48Q/A=6015306/R=0/SIG=11vlkvigg/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesandactivitieszone/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62585 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: WARNING NON SERIOUS TRAIN EMAIL
Mike,

Unless they specifically asked for American Flyer or S gauge trains you run the risk of offending certain folks on this site...lol

Bob


Sent from my iPod

On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:45 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> I was watching the news earlier, as they did the usual story about shopping in the mall with 2 days left to Christmas.
>
> And yes, they did interview Santa.
>
> The reporter asked Santa what was the most popular toys among boys and girls. For girls Barbie is still the most asked for.
>
> For boys, Santa said cars, trucks and trains.
>
> So, there still is interest in trains by young kids.
>
> And since Santa did not specify what gauge, this is a generic one size fits all email.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62586 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: eBay, Sellers, Pulling knurled pins
Tim,

Is this directed at me....or a different "Doug" ????

I've never posted anything negative about Ebay, and I DO use it (when I
have time)!



<<<I have no problem participating in a lengthy discussion about it on
this List. Doug, I think you should embrace eBay discussions on this
forum. When I bought junk off eBay, I also bought parts from you and
others to fix that junk up.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62587 From: Timboy Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Hi Everyone!

1. Bruce: I looked at your two examples for that seller and I don't see your point. The things he was tying to auction were what they were. I did not see him make and claims to them being otherwise. I looked at 5 pages of feedback and saw one negative. Sorry, but I don't think those examples support your claim about how bad of a seller he is, IMHO. What I DO see is a 99.5% approval rating. I sometimes wish I had a 99.5% approval rating on this and all the other messages I post on all the other train forums I'm on! LOL OBTW, I'm not affiliated with him, for the record.
2. Doug: I was referring to message 62540 where you stated. "As much as I hate to prolong this topic…" I took that comment to mean that you didn't like seeing long discussions of eBay on this Forum. So I gave my opinion as to why I think you should be okay with them. Sorry if I misinterpreted your statement and thanks for all you do to support our hobby.

Merry Christmas to all!
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62588 From: George Cohn Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
On 12/24/2010 3:06 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> Here is an example of what I am talking about that MW Internet, er,
> Lolobanquites frequently offers for sale:

I've occasionally bought junk like that when I had other parts to make a
complete unit. I've also bought junk box engines and cars and pieced
them together using original and a few new parts. I guess it's a kind of
kit bashing disease as I hate to see original 50 year old parts go in
the scrap bin.

I love the old fashioned Christmas tree bulbs they used! I used to use
those in my Mini-Craft buildings and lighted stations when I was a kid
and couldn't afford genuine replacements. ;-)

For those who are too young to remember, I think most of the Christmas
lights were made by NOMA of the talking station fame and came in strings
of about 8 series bulbs. That would make them rated at about 15 - 18
volts apiece if my math is correct.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 62589 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Bruce.... I got started in ebay several years ago with this sale..... I had a box of really JUNK MARX TRACK AND PARTS!!!!!! Was going to throw it out in the trash.... Put it on there for fun!!!! Got 25.00!!!!!!! Another time I put up some loose parts for a BUILT RITE SET... Kinda rough and it went high too.... I even added several more unlisted items to the box when I shipped it because I felt bad.... You never know what something will do... you try.... I always try to be fair.... Treat others as I would want to be treated.... "One mans junk is another mans treasure!!!"......Bob

--- On Fri, 12/24/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:


From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 5:06 AM


 




Here is an example of what I am talking about that MW Internet, er, Lolobanquites frequently offers for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CROSSING-SIGNAL-SHORT-FLASHER-PARTS-/330511446298?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf404711a

And, here's another beautiful example of junk:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-BELL-RINGING-CROSSING-PLATFORM-/250746468754?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a61a77992

I have NEVER seen anyone offer up junk like this for sale with a straight face. Would any of you feel comfortable offering this for sale or would you hide it in your parts drawer? I bet the latter.

Check his many negatives, even under his new name.

I rest my case.

Bruce DeGailler, Sr.

From: zu5249s
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:09 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids

Hi, I have been a member of this group for several years and have learned a lot about S guage trains. This is my first post, just had to speak out about MW Internet Auctions. I have dealth with them several times over the past five years. I have never been disappointed. All the Flyer was always as described, well packed, fast shipping. I am talking 12 or 15 deals over 5 years. Dave.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Eric,
>
> My guess is that the negatives he was piling up under "MW Internet Auctions" were getting excessive and he might have been losing business because of it, so he changed names. I also noticed that when he started selling under his new moniker, he had a decent positive rating. But now, he is starting to rack up the negatives again under his new name. It won't be long before he gets to the point where he'll be changing names again.
>
> I think the fact that he sells in volume, he is overwhelmed by the business he is generating. Couple that with his lack of business savvy and rude disposition and this is what you get.
>
> The way I look at it is if you buy from this guy, it's a crap shoot if you receive the correct item, receive the item in the advertised condition, or receive your item at all. You were one of the fortunate ones.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: eric
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:52 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
>
>
>
> This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy about 2
> months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
> marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I remember
> issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and I
> really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them for
> a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well packaged, he
> discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very good
> overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or so
> negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
> buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting will
> be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks
>
> Eric Reis
> Kenmore, Wa.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Alistar, I do you PayPal
> > Harwood
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alizoo <alizoo@... <alizoo%40kern.com.au>>
> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
> >
> > Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
> > enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
> > Alistair
> > On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> > Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
> > below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
> > bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> > I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
> > blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
> > doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> > Harwood
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail -
> > http://www.adam.com.au/
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1]
> > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > ?subject=Re:%20Ebay%20Blocking%20Bids
> > [2]
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZDZ1YmVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTA-?act=reply&messageNum=62513<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZDZ1YmVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTA-?act=reply&messageNum=62513>
> > [3]
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62513;_ylc=X3oDMTM0c2tuZTdlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjUxMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTI5NjEyMTAEdHBjSWQDNjI1MTM-
> > [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/>
> > [5]
> >
> > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o8e18ac/M=493064.13983314.14041046.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1292968410/L=fc3fb188-0d3b-11e0-bc40-17d0ab3a4b52/B=wMCxCUoGYrc-/J=1292961210750532/K=wXNA3PSbH.s6Ugd7Rpp48Q/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj
> > [6]
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> >
> > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15okmv6bg/M=493064.14012770.13963757.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1292968410/L=fc3fb188-0d3b-11e0-bc40-17d0ab3a4b52/B=wsCxCUoGYrc-/J=1292961210750532/K=wXNA3PSbH.s6Ugd7Rpp48Q/A=6015306/R=0/SIG=11vlkvigg/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesandactivitieszone/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62590 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Tis' the season
Hi, y'all...I just stopped in to wish the whole gang here on S Trains a Merry Christmas! May it be a good one for ya' and many more.
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62591 From: Dave Winslow Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
On 12/24/2010 9:09 AM, George Cohn wrote:

SNIP

> I love the old fashioned Christmas tree bulbs they used! I
> used to use those in my Mini-Craft buildings and lighted
> stations when I was a kid and couldn't afford genuine
> replacements. ;-)
>
> For those who are too young to remember, I think most of
> the Christmas lights were made by NOMA of the talking
> station fame and came in strings of about 8 series bulbs.
> That would make them rated at about 15 - 18 volts apiece
> if my math is correct.

When I was about 7, I received a big box from my Dad, full
of the individual sockets with pigtails cut from those
series strings. There was also an assortment of knife
switches, bell transformers, and diagrams showing me how to
wired them up. I cherished whatever Dad sent, but this box
was full of magic to me, and became my passion, started my
career, and electronics has remained a fun hobby in my
retirement years. I wonder if he could have known what he
did for me.

Now I play at his Hammond organ, and play with my S gauge
project, just like Dad.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62592 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Parts are parts, and I am glad for the opportunity to find junkers. For example, Pre-war Flyer and Ives have been lacking in repro parts suppliers for a number of years now. I need a pantograph and bell for an otherwise very nice little Flyer steeple cab. If I can score a battered example with good bell and pantograph, it's worth $20 to me. Complaining about over-pricing from a seller sounds silly to me- it's an auction, the bidder is the one who sets the price. I have been winning bidder for a fair number of items from the MWI site. I was quite happy with each transaction. E-bay is like an amusement park ride: it has its ups and downs, and no 2 people experience it in quite the same way.- John Marganski, wishing a Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62593 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: WARNING NON SERIOUS TRAIN EMAIL
Bob,

Yes, I know, as that is why I wrote this is a generic one size fits all.

Covering all bases not to rile up anyone again over nothing in the real scope of life.

Mike

From: Bob Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:35 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WARNING NON SERIOUS TRAIN EMAIL


Mike,

Unless they specifically asked for American Flyer or S gauge trains you run the risk of offending certain folks on this site...lol

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:45 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

> I was watching the news earlier, as they did the usual story about shopping in the mall with 2 days left to Christmas.
>
> And yes, they did interview Santa.
>
> The reporter asked Santa what was the most popular toys among boys and girls. For girls Barbie is still the most asked for.
>
> For boys, Santa said cars, trucks and trains.
>
> So, there still is interest in trains by young kids.
>
> And since Santa did not specify what gauge, this is a generic one size fits all email.
>
> Mike
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62594 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids
Hi Bruce,
No one is forcing anyone to buy junk like this, as extreme high pricing, for junk. If anyone does buy these things, maybe we all should start selling stuff for prices like this.
However, it when he puts something on eBay and does not really state the real condition, as I have gotten caught with him in the past with repro parts, not noted on the listing.
Plus his insurance company he owns. LOL I do not see his insurance company partaking on these bids.
Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62595 From: David Dewey Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Removing studs
Hi all,
Yes, there are various ways to do this. But first consider what is
different today from when the ACG cars/etc. were made. Today the plastic is
much older, and has (usually) become more brittle. When made, the pins/studs
were pressed into a hole a bit smaller than the pin, and the plastic
deformed around it. Try that today, and you are likely to get a cracked
mounting post.
Car floor rivets are straight splined, while the nameplate rivets are spiral
splined, and must be turned to remove them.
For floor rivets, my favorite method is to remove them with heat applied, so
you don't stress the plastic. I've not had the plastic stick to the pin yet,
but I suppose it could happen. I take the car in one hand, grasping the
truck on the end I am removing pins, so I can apply some tension, pulling
the floor from the body. Then I apply the tip of a soldering pen/gun to
thehead of the pin. Now, you do need to use a large enough soldering uint,
not one that is only for circuit board soldering, but one with a few watts
behind it, so the pin warms up quickly. As soon as it is warm enough, the
floor will start to pull out of the body--go to the other pin on the same
end and do likewise. Now the pin heads are clear of the body, and they
should come right out. Do the same thing on the other end. This way there
are no scratches on the metal floor, and none on the pin heads.
Yes, one does have to be careful to not touch the plastic with the soldering
unit. If your unit has replaceable tips, you can grind one to be flat, or
even a little recessed to better fit on the pin head.
When replacing, I set the floor in the body, carefuly set the pin in its
hole, and "feel" for when the splines are in the existing grooves in the
body. I then push the pin in with the soldering tip with gentle pressure--no
to little stress on the plastic this way. This has worked very well for me
for years.
If there are any cracks, I have found super glue to be the best repair. It
also works in stripped plastic screw holes.When I've done this type of
repair, I use the soldering tip on the screw head with light turning
pressure with the screwdriver.
I would practice on some "donor" stuff becuase it does take a bit of
technique, but it's easily learned--after all, I learnt it! :)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62596 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: OFF TOPIC???
Well we have all been talking about Screwing pins, ebay ripoffs, Neil ( I know he owned lionel, but still don't know what team he played for to make money, or care ) So can I change the subject!!!!
 
Yesterday I went about 3 miles from my home to visit a fellow I had not seen in 3 years... To see his layout..... WOW!!!!! Is all I can say.... Its the top floor of his Garage Barn and the last time I saw it it was bare studs!!!!... 40 x 60 with American Flyer Trains every where.... While its still under construction it sure is nice to see NP sets running on such a long main line..... Or the Silver Flash set, or the C&O Coal train pulling 35 cars, or the 293 huffing along pulling all the tank cars, or the Mo and Joe running up and down the hill along with others..... 4 - 6 trains at a time can run at once......Many levels, including the subway, or underground storage of about 25 trains in the yards... push a button and onto the main they come.... As time goes by the shades come down and the lights in the room dim too.... Then when evening all the lights come on in the buildings... all automatic.... As the train passes thru the many towns and by the
places like (under construction) WDW, or in the mountains or by the coming Seaport and coal dock ( For all the coal loaders).... He even has one or two of the old "Manfacturing Buildings from the old Flyer Layout that was in New Haven?".... Several hundred buildins all over.... Really nice City, etc...  Has duplicated scenes from several old Catalogs.... etc..... I snapped a few pictures and will try to post them on the list next week..... Think I will pack up my 50 car S-Helper Hopper set and take it over and run it.... But What engine to use????? Oh well....
And the SF set pulling all the HW pass cars!!!!! And the Circus area under construction, AND THE!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Anyway to all.... A
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.......
 
Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62597 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Removing studs
David has it exactly right. This is the best way to do this. Heating the
pin as you push it back in more or less re-creates the original fit. It is as
I originally stated, except he elaborated much more. I have done many,
many cars like this with NO adverse results. Makes life easy. No argument
intended here, just experience speaking....
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 12/24/2010 9:34:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
djdewey@... writes:




Hi all,
Yes, there are various ways to do this. But first consider what is
different today from when the ACG cars/etc. were made. Today the plastic
is
much older, and has (usually) become more brittle. When made, the
pins/studs
were pressed into a hole a bit smaller than the pin, and the plastic
deformed around it. Try that today, and you are likely to get a cracked
mounting post.
Car floor rivets are straight splined, while the nameplate rivets are
spiral
splined, and must be turned to remove them.
For floor rivets, my favorite method is to remove them with heat applied,
so
you don't stress the plastic. I've not had the plastic stick to the pin
yet,
but I suppose it could happen. I take the car in one hand, grasping the
truck on the end I am removing pins, so I can apply some tension, pulling
the floor from the body. Then I apply the tip of a soldering pen/gun to
thehead of the pin. Now, you do need to use a large enough soldering uint,
not one that is only for circuit board soldering, but one with a few watts
behind it, so the pin warms up quickly. As soon as it is warm enough, the
floor will start to pull out of the body--go to the other pin on the same
end and do likewise. Now the pin heads are clear of the body, and they
should come right out. Do the same thing on the other end. This way there
are no scratches on the metal floor, and none on the pin heads.
Yes, one does have to be careful to not touch the plastic with the
soldering
unit. If your unit has replaceable tips, you can grind one to be flat, or
even a little recessed to better fit on the pin head.
When replacing, I set the floor in the body, carefuly set the pin in its
hole, and "feel" for when the splines are in the existing grooves in the
body. I then push the pin in with the soldering tip with gentle
pressure--no
to little stress on the plastic this way. This has worked very well for me
for years.
If there are any cracks, I have found super glue to be the best repair. It
also works in stripped plastic screw holes.When I've done this type of
repair, I use the soldering tip on the screw head with light turning
pressure with the screwdriver.
I would practice on some "donor" stuff becuase it does take a bit of
technique, but it's easily learned--after all, I learnt it! :)
S'
David D.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62598 From: Timboy Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: eBay; Fantastic Layout; Pin Removal
Hi Everyone!

1. Bob: This Forum is multi-threaded, so we can have as many different discussions going on as we want, or as many as the moderators will let us have. LOL Your neighbor's Flyer layout sounds fantastic! Does your friend have a web site or blog he maintains that shows pics of his layout under construction, such as I have done? Or does he belong to any Forums where he has posted pics. Or does he maintain a Photobucket or Flicker or whatever account that is populated with pics? If no to any of the above, then I have to wonder why he is keeping it such a secret. I hope you can bring him out of his closet, or are you spoofing us! LOL
2. David: Nice fleshing out of the pin-removal process! That's a keeper! Thanks!
3. Michael: I'm having some trouble interpreting what you are trying to say about that one particular eBay seller we have been discussing. Can you clarify please?

Merry Christmas to all!
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62599 From: Dave Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Tis The Season ;'o)
From all of us here at LBR Enterprises, llc we are extending, from our house to yous, the wishes for the VERY MERRIEST OF CHRISTMASES & THE VERY HAPPIEST AND HEALTHYIST OF NEW YEARS EVER.
Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 62600 From: frank emiro Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Tis The Season ;'o)
Thx Dave, The same to all of you,


Frank R. EMIRO

--- On Fri, 12/24/10, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:


From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Tis The Season ;'o)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 2:10 PM


 



From all of us here at LBR Enterprises, llc we are extending, from our house to yous, the wishes for the VERY MERRIEST OF CHRISTMASES & THE VERY HAPPIEST AND HEALTHYIST OF NEW YEARS EVER.
Dave











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Group: S-Trains Message: 62601 From: Bob Moyer Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
To All:

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. The trains are up around the
tree life is good. I'm an operator who buys a lot of "junk" lots (Stumpy's
my hero) or at best the "needs work pieces". Bought a lot on ebay that
included a couple of C & N W R Y link flats. No big deal but these are off
white plastic and both trucks are wired to pick up current from the rails.
It looks like they came that way from the factory. I looked in Greenbergs,
no mention of them. There are no holes on the body save for four slots like
for log straps. Anyone seen these before? What were the pickups for?
Inquiring minds want to know.

A train related story, our daughter just accepted a faculty position at a
medical college, and what does she want in her office? A loop of AF trains.
The back story, When she was a child she played and worked on the trains
that dad (me) played and worked on. At times when she was doing her postgrad
at Princeton in neuroscience (gotta name drop I'm just a guy from the row
houses in South Philly) she would come home and run the trains a bit. Is
there a correlation between running AF trains and higher intelligence?
Opinions? I'm going to suggest an experiment to her. One group of rats that
just sit around and do, well typical rat stuff. The other group will
"play/watch" toy trains a couple hours a day. After a specific period, the
rats are checked for brain activity! One last funny daughter story. She
calls me up from Princeton one day to thank me for teaching her how to
solder. (at least as a parent I did something right) Seems like she was
working in the lab and they needed to build a test jig so someone sat her
down with the intent of teaching the "girl" how to solder. To their
amazement she already knew! They almost were ready to give her the Phd on
the spot! Another one of those things kids don't learn anymore.

Regards

Bob Moyer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62602 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
Hi Bob,
� Sounds loke a 1946 634 Searchlight Car without the searc;ight, oke and balck base.  If the link couplers are thin shank this is that car.  I've had plenty of these in junk piles.
Merry Christmas,
Tom Seccia

--- On Fri, 12/24/10, Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> wrote:

From: Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 4:40 PM







 









To All:



Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. The trains are up around the

tree life is good. I'm an operator who buys a lot of "junk" lots (Stumpy's

my hero) or at best the "needs work pieces". Bought a lot on ebay that

included a couple of C & N W R Y link flats. No big deal but these are off

white plastic and both trucks are wired to pick up current from the rails.

It looks like they came that way from the factory. I looked in Greenbergs,

no mention of them. There are no holes on the body save for four slots like

for log straps. Anyone seen these before? What were the pickups for?

Inquiring minds want to know.



A train related story, our daughter just accepted a faculty position at a

medical college, and what does she want in her office? A loop of AF trains.

The back story, When she was a child she played and worked on the trains

that dad (me) played and worked on. At times when she was doing her postgrad

at Princeton in neuroscience (gotta name drop I'm just a guy from the row

houses in South Philly) she would come home and run the trains a bit. Is

there a correlation between running AF trains and higher intelligence?

Opinions? I'm going to suggest an experiment to her. One group of rats that

just sit around and do, well typical rat stuff. The other group will

"play/watch" toy trains a couple hours a day. After a specific period, the

rats are checked for brain activity! One last funny daughter story. She

calls me up from Princeton one day to thank me for teaching her how to

solder. (at least as a parent I did something right) Seems like she was

working in the lab and they needed to build a test jig so someone sat her

down with the intent of teaching the "girl" how to solder. To their

amazement she already knew! They almost were ready to give her the Phd on

the spot! Another one of those things kids don't learn anymore.



Regards



Bob Moyer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62603 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
Bob,



I really like the soldering story. You did good! My major professor tells
the story of a female graduate student working in his electrophysiology lab
who could never quite get the electronics to function After letting her try
to work out the problems herself for a couple of weeks he finally took pity
on her and looked at her setup. Seems she "soldered" the wires together by
sticking them into lumps of modeling clay.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Moyer
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 1:41 PM
To: s-trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things





To All:

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. The trains are up around the
tree life is good. I'm an operator who buys a lot of "junk" lots (Stumpy's
my hero) or at best the "needs work pieces". Bought a lot on ebay that
included a couple of C & N W R Y link flats. No big deal but these are off
white plastic and both trucks are wired to pick up current from the rails.
It looks like they came that way from the factory. I looked in Greenbergs,
no mention of them. There are no holes on the body save for four slots like
for log straps. Anyone seen these before? What were the pickups for?
Inquiring minds want to know.

A train related story, our daughter just accepted a faculty position at a
medical college, and what does she want in her office? A loop of AF trains.
The back story, When she was a child she played and worked on the trains
that dad (me) played and worked on. At times when she was doing her postgrad
at Princeton in neuroscience (gotta name drop I'm just a guy from the row
houses in South Philly) she would come home and run the trains a bit. Is
there a correlation between running AF trains and higher intelligence?
Opinions? I'm going to suggest an experiment to her. One group of rats that
just sit around and do, well typical rat stuff. The other group will
"play/watch" toy trains a couple hours a day. After a specific period, the
rats are checked for brain activity! One last funny daughter story. She
calls me up from Princeton one day to thank me for teaching her how to
solder. (at least as a parent I did something right) Seems like she was
working in the lab and they needed to build a test jig so someone sat her
down with the intent of teaching the "girl" how to solder. To their
amazement she already knew! They almost were ready to give her the Phd on
the spot! Another one of those things kids don't learn anymore.

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62604 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Nedd Help ID ing a AF Flat and Other Things
Sounds like a 627 or 628 that someone may have put caboose truck on. What
genre are the couplers?

Steve


In a message dated 12/24/2010 3:21:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
romoyer1@... writes:




To All:

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. The trains are up around the
tree life is good. I'm an operator who buys a lot of "junk" lots (Stumpy's
my hero) or at best the "needs work pieces". Bought a lot on ebay that
included a couple of C & N W R Y link flats. No big deal but these are off
white plastic and both trucks are wired to pick up current from the rails.
It looks like they came that way from the factory. I looked in Greenbergs,
no mention of them. There are no holes on the body save for four slots like
for log straps. Anyone seen these before? What were the pickups for?
Inquiring minds want to know.

A train related story, our daughter just accepted a faculty position at a
medical college, and what does she want in her office? A loop of AF trains.
The back story, When she was a child she played and worked on the trains
that dad (me) played and worked on. At times when she was doing her
postgrad
at Princeton in neuroscience (gotta name drop I'm just a guy from the row
houses in South Philly) she would come home and run the trains a bit. Is
there a correlation between running AF trains and higher intelligence?
Opinions? I'm going to suggest an experiment to her. One group of rats that
just sit around and do, well typical rat stuff. The other group will
"play/watch" toy trains a couple hours a day. After a specific period, the
rats are checked for brain activity! One last funny daughter story. She
calls me up from Princeton one day to thank me for teaching her how to
solder. (at least as a parent I did something right) Seems like she was
working in the lab and they needed to build a test jig so someone sat her
down with the intent of teaching the "girl" how to solder. To their
amazement she already knew! They almost were ready to give her the Phd on
the spot! Another one of those things kids don't learn anymore.

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62605 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas from South Florida. My hope is that your day is a good
one and that you spend time with the people who mean the most to you.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 62606 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
We have just completed our traditional Christmas Eve celebration - potluck, songfest where one of the 10-year olds reads Luke's account of the Christmas story, gift exchange, and I run S-Trains on the floor around the back room for kids of all ages. Yes, it was a great time with the family and the Lord. I wish you all the same and the happiest of New Years.



On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:00 PM, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas from South Florida. My hope is that your day is a good
one and that you spend time with the people who mean the most to you.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62607 From: Tom Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
OK I have to speak up. Yes this is rough stuff, but I am selling
similar stuff but starting at .99 to 3.00. It that signal t sells
for$;9 my parts box is gonna be better than the lottery I never win.
One S fest I was moving, and filled nine tables with junk I thought of
throwing away. old transformers and broken stuff some cabooses that
were stepped on by Ken Heim. I sold everything. One guy walked out with
4 tables of transformers

Merry Christmas to all We do not have to agree to have fun with trains.
Tom David




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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 24, 2010 4:06 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids





Here is an example of what I am talking about that MW Internet, er,
Lolobanquites frequently offers for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CROSSING-SIGNAL-SHORT-FLASHER-PARTS-/330511446298?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf404711a

And, here's another beautiful example of junk:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-BELL-RINGING-CROSSING-PLATFORM-/250746468754?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a61a77992

I have NEVER seen anyone offer up junk like this for sale with a
straight face. Would any of you feel comfortable offering this for sale
or would you hide it in your parts drawer? I bet the latter.

Check his many negatives, even under his new name.

I rest my case.

Bruce DeGailler, Sr.

From: zu5249s
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:09 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids

Hi, I have been a member of this group for several years and have
learned a lot about S guage trains. This is my first post, just had to
speak out about MW Internet Auctions. I have dealth with them several
times over the past five years. I have never been disappointed. All the
Flyer was always as described, well packed, fast shipping. I am talking
12 or 15 deals over 5 years. Dave.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Eric,
>
> My guess is that the negatives he was piling up under "MW Internet
Auctions" were getting excessive and he might have been losing business
because of it, so he changed names. I also noticed that when he started
selling under his new moniker, he had a decent positive rating. But
now, he is starting to rack up the negatives again under his new name.
It won't be long before he gets to the point where he'll be changing
names again.
>
> I think the fact that he sells in volume, he is overwhelmed by the
business he is generating. Couple that with his lack of business savvy
and rude disposition and this is what you get.
>
> The way I look at it is if you buy from this guy, it's a crap shoot
if you receive the correct item, receive the item in the advertised
condition, or receive your item at all. You were one of the fortunate
ones.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: eric
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:52 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
>
>
>
> This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy
about 2
> months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
> marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I
remember
> issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and
I
> really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them
for
> a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well
packaged, he
> discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very
good
> overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or
so
> negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
> buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting
will
> be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks
>
> Eric Reis
> Kenmore, Wa.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Alistar, I do you PayPal
> > Harwood
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alizoo <alizoo@... <alizoo%40kern.com.au>>
> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
> >
> > Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
> > enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
> > Alistair
> > On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii%40aol.com>
sent:
> > Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
> > below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
> > bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> > I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
> > blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay
actually
> > doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> > Harwood
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail -
> > http://www.adam.com.au/
> >
> > Links:
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> > [2]
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> > [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62608 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/24/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for train shop in Milwaukee
Hey, northern members of the S clan: Any good train hobby shops in the
Milwaukee area? I will be heading that direction in a few days. S and/or
other scales.
Thanks and Merry Christmas/Happy New Year to all :)
Roy Inman


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62609 From: Bruce Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
Bob,

I agree with your comment that "one man's junk is another man's treasure." I guess I didn't properly present my point in using that particular junk as a reference. The bottom line is that this particular seller has over-graded a lot of the items he states are in excellent condition. All you have to do is read some of the negative feedback from what I would consider reputable buyers (due to their positive feedback ratings), along with the comments concerning his rude disposition and lack of customer service skills and you get the picture. That was all I was trying to convey.

Bruce



From: Robert Conner
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 6:03 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids



Bruce.... I got started in ebay several years ago with this sale..... I had a box of really JUNK MARX TRACK AND PARTS!!!!!! Was going to throw it out in the trash.... Put it on there for fun!!!! Got 25.00!!!!!!! Another time I put up some loose parts for a BUILT RITE SET... Kinda rough and it went high too.... I even added several more unlisted items to the box when I shipped it because I felt bad.... You never know what something will do... you try.... I always try to be fair.... Treat others as I would want to be treated.... "One mans junk is another mans treasure!!!"......Bob

--- On Fri, 12/24/10, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <goatfarm@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 5:06 AM



Here is an example of what I am talking about that MW Internet, er, Lolobanquites frequently offers for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CROSSING-SIGNAL-SHORT-FLASHER-PARTS-/330511446298?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4cf404711a

And, here's another beautiful example of junk:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-BELL-RINGING-CROSSING-PLATFORM-/250746468754?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a61a77992

I have NEVER seen anyone offer up junk like this for sale with a straight face. Would any of you feel comfortable offering this for sale or would you hide it in your parts drawer? I bet the latter.

Check his many negatives, even under his new name.

I rest my case.

Bruce DeGailler, Sr.

From: zu5249s
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:09 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids

Hi, I have been a member of this group for several years and have learned a lot about S guage trains. This is my first post, just had to speak out about MW Internet Auctions. I have dealth with them several times over the past five years. I have never been disappointed. All the Flyer was always as described, well packed, fast shipping. I am talking 12 or 15 deals over 5 years. Dave.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote:
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> Eric,
>
> My guess is that the negatives he was piling up under "MW Internet Auctions" were getting excessive and he might have been losing business because of it, so he changed names. I also noticed that when he started selling under his new moniker, he had a decent positive rating. But now, he is starting to rack up the negatives again under his new name. It won't be long before he gets to the point where he'll be changing names again.
>
> I think the fact that he sells in volume, he is overwhelmed by the business he is generating. Couple that with his lack of business savvy and rude disposition and this is what you get.
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> The way I look at it is if you buy from this guy, it's a crap shoot if you receive the correct item, receive the item in the advertised condition, or receive your item at all. You were one of the fortunate ones.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: eric
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:52 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
>
>
>
> This is interesting as I just bought some cars from the this guy about 2
> months ago, throught the loboantiquities side. The box it came in was
> marked with the MW internet auctions return address. The point is I remember
> issues with this guy in the past but he only had 1 or 2 negatives and I
> really wanted the cars he had and they were going cheap. I got them for
> a VERY reasonable price, They were in their boxes, very well packaged, he
> discounted shipping for the multiple cars, and they came fast. A very good
> overall ebay experience. Now I look at his feedback and he has 60 or so
> negatives all since I bought the cars and really from a small group of
> buyers. All I can say is "very interesting" and even more interesting will
> be to see what happens to the negative feedbacks
>
> Eric Reis
> Kenmore, Wa.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> > Alistar, I do you PayPal
> > Harwood
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alizoo <alizoo@... <alizoo%40kern.com.au>>
> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids
> >
> > Wouldn't think eBay would be concerned with that. If you are silly
> > enough not to use PayPal I am sure they will not be too worried.
> > Alistair
> > On Wed 22/12/10 4:36 AM , HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> > Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
> > below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
> > bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> > I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
> > blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
> > doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> > Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62610 From: Bruce Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: eBay
Timboy,

I agree with your premise as to him actually showing, and not hiding, what his junk actually looks like. However, there have been times when he doesn't mention obvious flaws in pieces he states are in "excellent" condition but are actually fair or good (per TCA guidelines) and he has a history of ignoring customers when they complain to him about not mentioning dents, scratches, rust, or what have you. What you need to focus on is the amount of negatives and what they all say, not the percentage rate. There are a ton of power sellers on Ebay that have sold as much as he has and their negative feedback ratings are infinitesimal compared to his. And, a lot of these comments are coming from folks with hefty positive feedback ratings, which lends credence to their complaints.

Bruce



From: Timboy
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 6:22 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: eBay



Hi Everyone!

1. Bruce: I looked at your two examples for that seller and I don't see your point. The things he was tying to auction were what they were. I did not see him make and claims to them being otherwise. I looked at 5 pages of feedback and saw one negative. Sorry, but I don't think those examples support your claim about how bad of a seller he is, IMHO. What I DO see is a 99.5% approval rating. I sometimes wish I had a 99.5% approval rating on this and all the other messages I post on all the other train forums I'm on! LOL OBTW, I'm not affiliated with him, for the record.
2. Doug: I was referring to message 62540 where you stated. "As much as I hate to prolong this topic." I took that comment to mean that you didn't like seeing long discussions of eBay on this Forum. So I gave my opinion as to why I think you should be okay with them. Sorry if I misinterpreted your statement and thanks for all you do to support our hobby.

Merry Christmas to all!
Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62611 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Christmas
Merry Christmas to all of you from us at SnS.

Steve Blackburn
S-n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62612 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: re ebay; blocking bids
Is this group discussing S gauge or EBay, maybe there should be one more Yahoo
group!
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62613 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train shop in Milwaukee
Hi Roy,
Probably of our local shops is Sommerfelds in Butler, WI at 12620 W Hampton Ave.
This is mainly O gauge but they do also sell American Flyer S gauge. You might
also want to visit W. A. Walthers at 5601 W Florist Ave.,  Walthers is a huge
supplier to the model railroader community. They cater mainly to the most
popular of the scales HO and N but also do handle some O-S gauge products.
I don't know when you are planning to be in the Milwaukee area, but there a
number of weekends that the Badgerland S Gaugers will have layout displays set
up in the area. Hope this may help and hope you enjoy your stay.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62614 From: Timboy Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: eBay; Hobby Shops; Soldering; Gargraves; Multi-Threading
Hi Everyone!

1. Bruce: I think you have clarified and stated your position on this eBay vendor quite well. Points taken. Thanks!
2. Ray: We can talk about anything related to S Gauge trains that the moderators will allow. We can have multiple threads going at the same time on a wide range of topics. I can follow them and I don't consider myself particularly gifted that way. In fact, I enjoy the diversification!
3. Ray: I'm always surprised to hear about a hobby shop ANYWHERE that is dealing in S Gauge; vintage or new! Hobby shops are a dying enterprise. I'll wager that Stumpy could easily agree (sigh). Periodically, I think about using some Gargraves products. However, they appear to be stuck in the 80's with their retailing model. You MUST still buy Gargraves through a middleman. I just went out to their site and checked. Nope. No shopping cart there. Bummer!
4. Tom: I'm a firm believe in a free market economy. If you can sell your "junk" and get a good price, then more power to you! I call it "asset redeployment". Now you can take that cash and turn it into some Flyer goodies that you really want. Bravo!
5. Gerald: That's funny!!!!!

Merry Christmas to all!
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62615 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Houston Hobby Shops?
Since Roy was asking about hobby shops in Milwaukee, how about the Houston area? Any suggestions?

Have a great Christmas & New Year!

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62616 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train shop in Milwaukee
Thanks Ray :)
We will be there for a few days next week.
Roy


on 12/25/10 8:15 AM, Ray Puls at rpuls3@... wrote:

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> Hi Roy,
> Probably of our local shops is Sommerfelds in Butler, WI at 12620 W Hampton
> Ave.
> This is mainly O gauge but they do also sell American Flyer S gauge. You might
> also want to visit W. A. Walthers at 5601 W Florist Ave.,  Walthers is a huge
> supplier to the model railroader community. They cater mainly to the most
> popular of the scales HO and N but also do handle some O-S gauge products.
> I don't know when you are planning to be in the Milwaukee area, but there a
> number of weekends that the Badgerland S Gaugers will have layout displays set
> up in the area. Hope this may help and hope you enjoy your stay.
> Ray
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62617 From: MikeS Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Looking for train shop in Milwaukee
This is a good place and worth a visit. Also, if you get into Chicago let me know.........

http://www.sommerfelds.com/

Mike Spanier (hspanier@...)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, northern members of the S clan: Any good train hobby shops in the
> Milwaukee area? I will be heading that direction in a few days. S and/or
> other scales.
> Thanks and Merry Christmas/Happy New Year to all :)
> Roy Inman
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62618 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: re ebay; blocking bids
Sadly Ebay is part of how many of us buy S scale trains, etc.

Again, I see no wrong in this discussion, as it ties in to the S List as just one of many factors in the world of S gauge life.

Again, we all have the delete button.

Again, if one is not happy about something on this list contact the moderator.

I love the word again.

Mike

From: Ray Puls
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 9:22 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] re ebay; blocking bids


Is this group discussing S gauge or EBay, maybe there should be one more Yahoo
group!
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62619 From: John Maclennan Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Removing studs
Good suggestion... Thanks a lot and MERRY CHRISTMAS.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: boss31@...
Date: 12/24/2010 01:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Removing studs

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62620 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Junk
I have purchased a LOT of junk over the years. I started by prowling auto junk yards to find parts to keep cars running, repair stock cars cheap, and later, when building pre-1948 hot rods, to find stuff that couldn't be had anywhere else.
When it comes to rebuilding old trains, this previous salvage yard trolling has given me a lot of experience. I rummage through boxes of junk at train shows, and while the hobby shop was still open, I was given "first pick" of any junk that came in.
Junk, along with repro parts, has allowed me to breathe new life into many dead locomotives and cast off rolling stock. Few of my old Flyer locos came to me complete and running.
They didn't always return to life in a collector's vision, most are not lettered American Flyer Lines, but follow the prototype railroad's markings and colors. Some are considered real "Frankensteins" by rabid collectors!
I sometimes have "junk boxes" at train shows. Really nice or rare stuff is sold rather than used to rebuild my engines, since they're going to go through my "paint and decal shop" anyway. So I don't only BUY junk, I sell it too!
"One man's trash is another man's treasure" was never more true than with me! When you're down on the bucks, you find a way.
Stumpy Stone...in cold and snowy Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62621 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Junk
Please note: message attached

From: "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Junk
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:36:57 -0000

STUMPY:

My Hero!
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62622 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: re ebay; blocking bids
While this is indeed an S guage group it is also a social network. We somtimes go off on tangents but they usually begin with something S related. These tangents allow us to get to know each other, our likes, our quirks, whatever and increase our feeling of community.Every time we go off a tangential thread there seem to be a few folks who get their panties in a bunch. To this I say lighten up people. there are much bigger concerns and worries in this world than whether we stray slightly off topic on occasion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion...you, us, everyone. you don't always need to share or agree with these ideas but their expression should not be stifled to cater to what I perceive as a minority ( my opinion ). This is supposed to be the season of peace on Earth and goodwill toward all men so can't we all just lighten up and enjoy our diversity? As the great philosopher Jimmy Buffett says " Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On"
 
Bob


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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re ebay; blocking bids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 10:28 AM


 



Sadly Ebay is part of how many of us buy S scale trains, etc.

Again, I see no wrong in this discussion, as it ties in to the S List as just one of many factors in the world of S gauge life.

Again, we all have the delete button.

Again, if one is not happy about something on this list contact the moderator.

I love the word again.

Mike

From: Ray Puls
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 9:22 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] re ebay; blocking bids

Is this group discussing S gauge or EBay, maybe there should be one more Yahoo
group!
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62623 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Junk
But, Stumpy, you buy "junk" as "junk". You don't buy from the butcher shop where they turn a cut of meat best side up and wrap it on a tray.
As you said, buying from e-Bay or any internet seller, it's "Buyer Beware". That should end the e-Bay talk with that.
But, yes, the e-Bay talk has been about buying "S gauge equipment", so most has fit this board, but enough is enough. So let's all let it go and get on with life.

--- On Sat, 12/25/10, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Junk
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 9:36 AM


 



I have purchased a LOT of junk over the years. I started by prowling auto junk yards to find parts to keep cars running, repair stock cars cheap, and later, when building pre-1948 hot rods, to find stuff that couldn't be had anywhere else.
When it comes to rebuilding old trains, this previous salvage yard trolling has given me a lot of experience. I rummage through boxes of junk at train shows, and while the hobby shop was still open, I was given "first pick" of any junk that came in.
Junk, along with repro parts, has allowed me to breathe new life into many dead locomotives and cast off rolling stock. Few of my old Flyer locos came to me complete and running.
They didn't always return to life in a collector's vision, most are not lettered American Flyer Lines, but follow the prototype railroad's markings and colors. Some are considered real "Frankensteins" by rabid collectors!
I sometimes have "junk boxes" at train shows. Really nice or rare stuff is sold rather than used to rebuild my engines, since they're going to go through my "paint and decal shop" anyway. So I don't only BUY junk, I sell it too!
"One man's trash is another man's treasure" was never more true than with me! When you're down on the bucks, you find a way.
Stumpy Stone...in cold and snowy Ahia.











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Group: S-Trains Message: 62624 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: Houston Hobby Shops?
Using Google is a great tool also for searching for things too.

Just key in the city and hobby shoppes.

Sadly, there are not too many physical hobby shoppes around anymore.

Mike

From: Ruth A Leahy
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 10:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Houston Hobby Shops?


Since Roy was asking about hobby shops in Milwaukee, how about the Houston area? Any suggestions?

Have a great Christmas & New Year!

Thanks,

Mike Leahy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62625 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train shop in Milwaukee
To the group ! For sale a large lot of Weaver Scalecoat II paints, good for plastics and wood, can also be used on metal.Contact me offlist if there is any interest, I'll send a complete list of colors
. 64 bottles factory sealed, Need to be mixed. $2.50 per bottle shipped in Continetal US .
Thanks,

Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62626 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: Crane & Boom Car
New for Christmas..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/diary/20.JPG

Now I can properly handle those occasional "oops" moments on the layout :-)


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62627 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/25/2010
Subject: For sale
To the group. A large lot of Weaver Scalecoat II paints. Good for wood and plastic, but can be used on metal. About 64 bottles factory sealed, need mixing. $2.50 per bottle as a compete lot. Will split shipping cost box will be heavy only in continental US If any interest contact me off list and I'll list the colors.
Thanks.

Dave



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62628 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: looking for a train store in Milwaukee
I guess I was not really to thinking well when I answered your question,
Roy, about train shop in Milwaukee. I did not mention Greenfield New and Hobby
at 6815 W Layton Ave, Milwaukee or Hiawatha Hobbies at 2026 Silvernail Rd,
Pewaukee, WI. I guess there is more here in the general area than I think of, we
are blessed.
Ray




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62629 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/pdf/BadOrderForm.pdf

I found this on someone’s website.

This for all of those with defective AF cars by Lionel car trucks.

For your yard repair layout shoppe.

Does not work on air hoses for AF track gangs however.

LOL

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62630 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: re eBay; blocking bids
I like to add to this if I may, as someone indirectly made a comment that was directed at me about my many postings.

A list like this is so generic as we all have many interest in the world of trains and S gauge.

Not everything is going to be to one’s liking. EBay? That is part of things related to trains, as yes, the discussion lead to other things about eBay, but it is informative since many of us use eBay. If you do not like the talk about eBay, please delete and move on.

I do not read every post, but I would never write some of the things I have read the past few weeks.

I think we should never criticize anything that a moderator has let be posted.

If you have a issue with something write to the moderator and let him or her handle it.

I own 3 yahoo groups and this behavior would never be allow on my list, having people make up rules for others, writing to the list to stop writing about something etc.

If a moderator tells us of a new rule or to stop, then I accept it, but not from anyone else until told elsewise.

Mike

From: robert hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re ebay; blocking bids


While this is indeed an S guage group it is also a social network. We somtimes go off on tangents but they usually begin with something S related. These tangents allow us to get to know each other, our likes, our quirks, whatever and increase our feeling of community.Every time we go off a tangential thread there seem to be a few folks who get their panties in a bunch. To this I say lighten up people. there are much bigger concerns and worries in this world than whether we stray slightly off topic on occasion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion...you, us, everyone. you don't always need to share or agree with these ideas but their expression should not be stifled to cater to what I perceive as a minority ( my opinion ). This is supposed to be the season of peace on Earth and goodwill toward all men so can't we all just lighten up and enjoy our diversity? As the great philosopher Jimmy Buffett says " Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On"

Bob

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re ebay; blocking bids
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 10:28 AM



Sadly Ebay is part of how many of us buy S scale trains, etc.

Again, I see no wrong in this discussion, as it ties in to the S List as just one of many factors in the world of S gauge life.

Again, we all have the delete button.

Again, if one is not happy about something on this list contact the moderator.

I love the word again.

Mike

From: Ray Puls
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 9:22 AM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] re ebay; blocking bids

Is this group discussing S gauge or EBay, maybe there should be one more Yahoo
group!
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62632 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: 1 stop direct
Some of you order some M2 cars from 1 Stop Direct in Mid December.

I did too.

Have you received your order yet, as I have not.

They have a nice looking set of M2s for January however.

I think Rick the Datsun fan, ordered a set? Not sure.

Anyway maybe it is slow due to free postage and mail volume.

I sent them a email just to check.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62633 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: January doings
OK, I realize January is not upon us yet, BUT, plans have been made, PVMR's
BIGgest "S" layout moves tomorrow morning to layout "heaven", a HEATED
room in the Paradise Twp (Lancaster Co, PA) Office bldg for several weeks of
exhibition. The trains run now, both classic Flyer and A-M locos pulling
in temps closely matching those outdoors. THOMAS does not complain either
as well as the Bachmann/PHM trolley soldiers on in the cold. Some amount of
snow is promised us today and tomorrow, which could make the move
interesting, but we have moved in snow before, just takes longer.

I mention this because PVMR has teamed up with the Paradise TRI-Cen
Committee to show trains when most other layouts have gone to slumber for the
winter AND ALL of PVMR's layouts are currently "S".

Join us if you wish/can, Jan 15 & 16, 22 & 23, from 1 PM til 4:30 PM. We
have buttons to push, trains will run and a good time is expected to be had
by all.

In the mean time, ALL the Best of the Season to All,

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62634 From: David Dewey Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: List friends, junk, etc. & THANK YOU!
HI all,

Having a quiet holiday here. No tree & no train under it--rats--just too much building stuff and sorting boxes (trying to get rid of old records, etc. still around from the move to this house--yes, it's been a few years!) to do anything in the "living room" which is a construction zone still! (windows, doors, sheetrock, etc.)--but a great holiday. Linda found some neat 1920s cars in an antique shop to give me, I found some neat Delta Queen merchandise on eBay that I gave her--all is good!

Yes, we get off subject here often, but then we get to know each other too. This is a great group, and I consider y'all part of my "friends I know" folks.

Junk---ah, my favorite stuff--in fact, I just took a box of stuff from the last train show up to the train/storage room yesterday. I think Stumpy and I will meet someday at a train show, and we will literally bump into each other because we will both be looking under tables for junk boxes and "CRASH!" Ohh--Oww!!! "you OK?" "yeah, do you really want that broken chassis?" "Um, yeah, it's got two pul-more drivers on it!" "Oh, RATS! I was too slow! Uh, could I have the smoke unit then?"

And I love pawing through O gauge folk's box 'o clips, 'cause they usually don't know what the flyer track trips, etc are!

I've actually gotten to visit with some of the folks here, and it's always been great--Steve B. in ID, Barb (now in NC). Rick, John E, Eric in WA, Tom in AZ--folks I would not have known if not for this List! So let's all give Paul Yorke A big THANK YOU for continuing this list when the originator disappeared (so long ago I can't remember his name!). And a THANK YOU to everyone else who has helped out along the way!

S' incerely,

David D.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62635 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Making Friends on the S list
Believe it or not, because some topics have strayed a bit or something has been mentioned by someone in a email, I have learned many things about some people on this list and it has turned into a nice friendship.

I have written this before and I am going to write this again, as there is some great positives about things on this list, if you let it happen.

I learned that Gerald Dobbs and his wife like bike riding, as we rode together on the C&O canal back in 2003 as it was one of the best times I will remember for a long time, as we had a cook out with them at the campground till midnight.

I learned that Grant Bishop is a fan of Baseball and music, as we constantly writing about both and other things. Grant has sent me things for the layout, Music Cds, baseball things, as I owe him big time.

I have learned that Bruce DeGailler, Sr, Barry Jamison, and Gene C are Phillies fans and with Grant, we have fun in private with baseball.

Joe of Joe’s train repair and I are avid baseball fans and ACC fans. Linda and I went to a ACC football game with Joe and his wife, as they invited us down to NC for a ACC baseball tournament, but a illness did not let us go.

Don and Robin Thompson are great friends to Linda and me, as we had Dinner with them in September on the way up to Maine. We are suppose to go to a Brooklyn Cyclone baseball game next year, but I am not sure if that is still on in light of what is going on with SHS.

Rance V of Norway is a good friend as he has been to my house many times now.

Steve of SnS, not only takes my money for work, but I know he was a amateur umpire and loves baseball.

Robert Hendrickson is a fan of Gordon Lightfoot and the Edmund Fitzgerald, as I am a big fan of Lightfoot. Bob just attended the 35th Memorial service for the sinking of that ship and he got me a program from that which I cherish. He also sent me a neat real train magazine with some RRs I know of in it. I sent Bob many bootleg concerts of Lightfoot and some others, as I know more about Music than trains! I know about about Bob and Mary Kay and they do of us.

Again, Bob InaCom sent me a SF box car I was looking for just to send it to me. I think he liked my passion for AF as I am passionate as anyone about AF.

David Dewey is a good email friend too.

But then I get the hate email in private from time to time, which is sad, as I bet they would not say these things to my face.

I do also get supportive emails in private too.

So, allot of good can come out of a email, if you let it.

Again, if the moderator post a message, and you are not happy with something take it to them, so they can decide to stop a thread.

Delete button works well too,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62636 From: Timboy Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: The Reason for the Confusion...
Hi Everyone!

The architecture of the S-Trains List on Yahoo is simplistic. Take a look at the architecture of the Classic Toy Trains List at: http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/95.aspx. Notice how multiple threads can co-exist; each under their own thread title. If no one responds to a given thread, then that thread gets pushed down. If someone makes a post to it, that thread goes back up near the top. People hardly ever complain about that system because it's the normal procedure for that Forum. After all, a given thread is just one of many, many available threads to read and maybe respond to or ignore altogether. Fistfights can still happen on that Forum, but only within a given thread - not on the message board in general. That system, or architecture - if you will, limits conflict. The Moderators do the rest. On the S-Trains List, all threads co-exist on one message board, with no clear headers. This causes a lot of confusion for the general populace and results in inevitable posts such as: "Why can't we talk about multiple topics at the same time", to "Is this group discussing S gauge or eBay?" and to the periodic "panties in a bunch" comment intended to settle everyone down. It usually has the opposite effect. Actually, we are ALL right! We ALL have valid views of how it should be. It's the fault of the architecture used on Yahoo, folks and we just have to accept it because it is not likely to change. It's up to the Moderators to make sure that fistfights don't happen, and they mostly let us play – to a point.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62637 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Making Friends on the S list
I forgot, I learned that Paul Yorke, the list owner, is a big fan of Owls, as he knows I love Loons.

We email from time to time about these animals.

BUT, I learned about Paul’s love of Owls from a email on this list.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 62638 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/26/2010, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62639 From: rick gough Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Hey I'm not so much a Datsun "fan", I'm a National licensed SCCA racer of a Datsun 510 and a Nissan 200SX, both GT cars [24 years]. Build all my own mechanicals, so, yes, I'm not bad at rebuilding A.C.'s toy trains, which is someting I totally enjoy.
On the diecasts, it was DiecastDirect and their set of 12 early pickup trucks, including a great little MACK Jr, '37 with opening doors, and a '37 Studebaker, by Yat Ming. At that time there were only 2 sets left. I also scored a'52 red corvette and a '47 Ford convertable, and my prized '37 Cord cabriolet [got the last one].
Now, back to restoring my big Xmas present ... the 313BIG .......

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 8:19 AM


 



Some of you order some M2 cars from 1 Stop Direct in Mid December.

I did too.

Have you received your order yet, as I have not.

They have a nice looking set of M2s for January however.

I think Rick the Datsun fan, ordered a set? Not sure.

Anyway maybe it is slow due to free postage and mail volume.

I sent them a email just to check.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62640 From: Jim Hannawald Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:19 AM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct


Some of you order some M2 cars from 1 Stop Direct in Mid December.

I did too.

Have you received your order yet, as I have not.

They have a nice looking set of M2s for January however.

I think Rick the Datsun fan, ordered a set? Not sure.

Anyway maybe it is slow due to free postage and mail volume.

I sent them a email just to check.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62641 From: David Engle Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Off subject, but cannot resist:

The slogan for the Peterbilt guys, "and a little Datsan shall lead them."

The lime green 2?0Z that a guy drove to work here in the 70s. The bumper sticker said, "MY FROG".

DJE
----- Original Message -----
From: rick gough
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct



Hey I'm not so much a Datsun "fan", I'm a National licensed SCCA racer of a Datsun 510 and a Nissan 200SX, both GT cars [24 years]. Build all my own mechanicals, so, yes, I'm not bad at rebuilding A.C.'s toy trains, which is someting I totally enjoy.
On the diecasts, it was DiecastDirect and their set of 12 early pickup trucks, including a great little MACK Jr, '37 with opening doors, and a '37 Studebaker, by Yat Ming. At that time there were only 2 sets left. I also scored a'52 red corvette and a '47 Ford convertable, and my prized '37 Cord cabriolet [got the last one].
Now, back to restoring my big Xmas present ... the 313BIG .......

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 8:19 AM



Some of you order some M2 cars from 1 Stop Direct in Mid December.

I did too.

Have you received your order yet, as I have not.

They have a nice looking set of M2s for January however.

I think Rick the Datsun fan, ordered a set? Not sure.

Anyway maybe it is slow due to free postage and mail volume.

I sent them a email just to check.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62642 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
Hi Rick,

That was my only way of remembering how to make sure all knew I was talking about a certain Rick as I knew you signed you name with something Datsun, could not remember the first word.. LOL

Thanks for telling me more, as Datsun did become Nissan, I think.

Great, I am very qualified in endangering AC items. LOL No, I am better at it now. Live and learn.

Yes, you did tell me about those trucks, as I appreciate it. I did not get them, however, as I am just about maxxed out on cars on the layout.

Yes, the 313. Post some pictures.

Oh wait, this is going to the S list and not Rick directly.

Oh well,

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:41 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct


Hey I'm not so much a Datsun "fan", I'm a National licensed SCCA racer of a Datsun 510 and a Nissan 200SX, both GT cars [24 years]. Build all my own mechanicals, so, yes, I'm not bad at rebuilding A.C.'s toy trains, which is someting I totally enjoy.
On the diecasts, it was DiecastDirect and their set of 12 early pickup trucks, including a great little MACK Jr, '37 with opening doors, and a '37 Studebaker, by Yat Ming. At that time there were only 2 sets left. I also scored a'52 red corvette and a '47 Ford convertable, and my prized '37 Cord cabriolet [got the last one].
Now, back to restoring my big Xmas present ... the 313BIG .......

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct
To: "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 8:19 AM



Some of you order some M2 cars from 1 Stop Direct in Mid December.

I did too.

Have you received your order yet, as I have not.

They have a nice looking set of M2s for January however.

I think Rick the Datsun fan, ordered a set? Not sure.

Anyway maybe it is slow due to free postage and mail volume.

I sent them a email just to check.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62643 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
<< http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/pdf/BadOrderForm.pdf

I found this on someone’s website. >>


I also have circus tickets and a few card stock models..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62644 From: eric Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/26/2010, 8:00 pm
Hi Eric,
I entered just fine

http://myflyertrains.org/chat/

Ed Eckert


Where is the Chat link these days?

I tried the link below and got an error, as with the one off Carls web site
(same link.

Eric
Kenmore, Wa.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62645 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Hi Brady.

That is your website I think?

Great site, as I saw those too.

But when I saw the work order paper work, I could not resist the tie to Lionel AF issues.

Loved the Accessory video.

I saved your site to my trains folder.

Mike

From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:03 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bad order form for repairs to your RR.



<< http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/pdf/BadOrderForm.pdf

I found this on someone’s website. >>

I also have circus tickets and a few card stock models..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62646 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/26/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Mike,

<< That is your website I think? >>

Yes, it's mine. A little short on content but I'm getting there


<< But when I saw the work order paper work, I could not resist the tie to Lionel AF issues. >>


In my O gauge days I bought a couple of Lionel items that turned out to be "kits". These days I only have one outstanding bad order form - a hopper with super-stiff link couplers.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62647 From: Raymond Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Wanted can motor replacement
Looking for can motor to replace in an AF 0-8-0 switcher. I believe it
has a shorter shaft as compared to other replacements.If anyone has
any extras please contact me , Ray
Group: S-Trains Message: 62648 From: George Cohn Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: 1 stop direct
On 12/26/2010 5:42 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> That was my only way of remembering how to make sure all knew I was
> talking about a certain Rick as I knew you signed you name with
> something Datsun, could not remember the first word.. LOL
>
> Thanks for telling me more, as Datsun did become Nissan, I think.

Besides my love for American Flyer trains, I also have a love for old
sports cars, particularly the Jaguar XK-E or "e-type" and its "Cheap
Japanese copy" the Datsun Z cars. ;-)

Great history of the Dat-Son and how it became Nissan/Datsun here:

http://www.datsunhistory.com/home.html

George Cohn
'73 Datsun 240Z (I have two)
'74 Datsun 260Z
'70 Jaguar XK-E Roadster
Group: S-Trains Message: 62649 From: Bl Lamb Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: AF 740 Handcar--Parts
I am restoring a 740 handcar. It has a broken (missing) operating arm
(connecting gear to the rocker arm). Instead of making a replacement operating
arm I would like to find the whole link & gear assembly. Does anyone have a
suggestion for finding this part? Thanks, BLL




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62650 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: Wanted can motor replacement
We have about 100 of them on hand
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 12/27/2010 4:02:10 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
raymoabb@... writes:




Looking for can motor to replace in an AF 0-8-0 switcher. I believe it
has a shorter shaft as compared to other replacements.If anyone has
any extras please contact me , Ray





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62651 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Did American Flyer actually make these forms at one time? I note the
date of 12/49. Actually I am not sure if I want to include railroad
bureaucracy in my model railroad efforts. Hey, how about a corporate
tax return for your railroad? :-D

Dale


On 12/26/2010 7:58 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> << That is your website I think? >>
>
> Yes, it's mine. A little short on content but I'm getting there
>
> << But when I saw the work order paper work, I could not resist the
> tie to Lionel AF issues. >>
>
> In my O gauge days I bought a couple of Lionel items that turned out
> to be "kits". These days I only have one outstanding bad order form -
> a hopper with super-stiff link couplers.
>
> Brady Burdge
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62652 From: rick gough Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct
Got all my Yat Ming, Hot Wheels, and JL from DiecastDirect very quickly.  Didn't order from 1Stop ...... don't go for cars later than '56 on my steam layout.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote:


From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...>
Subject: 04 - Re: [S-Trains] 1 stop direct
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 4:12 PM




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62653 From: Timboy Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I'm still on a holiday break from RR building. But I thought you might like to see some pics of yet another old Flyer layout I had in another house. I did extensive repaints back then. I also made a lot of use of Erector Set parts to build bridges and ramps. To see those pics, visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Have a great new year!!!!!!!!!

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62654 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Question about my "new to me" 21085
I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago ($60 with shipping).
I asked about it on chat last Sunday night. A few figured it may be an earlier 21085.
It has the die-cast trailing truck / white wall wheels / knuckle coupler and the 2-position switch
in the cab. My other 21085 does NOT have the die-cast trailing truck or the 2-position switch.
I didn't know Gilbert used that 2-position switch in a Pacific.

Soooo ... whatta think? An early 21085?
IMG_3523.sized.jpg

Thanks!

Rick in Cali

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62655 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: Bad order form for repairs to your RR.
Dale,

<< Did American Flyer actually make these forms at one time? >>

Not that I'm aware of. I'm a little surprised that Flyer didn't have
forms or some type of paperwork. I based mine off of forms I found on
an NKP site.


<< Hey, how about a corporate tax return for your railroad? :-D >>

No Feds, the EPA might get a little too curious about the red glowing
smoke.. :-)


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62656 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: AF 740 Handcar--Parts
I may have one - I'll check when I get home tomorrow.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Bl Lamb <bllamb29@...> wrote:

I am restoring a 740 handcar. It has a broken (missing) operating arm
(connecting gear to the rocker arm). Instead of making a replacement operating
arm I would like to find the whole link & gear assembly. Does anyone have a
suggestion for finding this part? Thanks, BLL

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62657 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Mine is like that. It was a Christmas gift in 1964 and is Pikemaster couplers. Don't know if that gives you pertinent information or not.

Gary


On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Rick Evans wrote:

> I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago ($60 with shipping).
> I asked about it on chat last Sunday night. A few figured it may be an earlier 21085.
> It has the die-cast trailing truck / white wall wheels / knuckle coupler and the 2-position switch
> in the cab. My other 21085 does NOT have the die-cast trailing truck or the 2-position switch.
> I didn't know Gilbert used that 2-position switch in a Pacific.
>
> Soooo ... whatta think? An early 21085?
> IMG_3523.sized.jpg
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rick in Cali
>
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>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62658 From: Thorin Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: DCC unit for S-n-S motored K325
Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) ladies:
I have a pile of idle Digitrax DH121 decoders. (Some are from teh 1990s.) Is a DH121 powerful enough to run an S-n-S remotored AF Hudson with that big can motor? The decoder also has to run the front headlight with its original light bulb.

If the DH121 is powerful enough to run the motor and headlight, is it also powerful enough to also control the currently-dewired smoke unit? (If not, I stay smokeless.) I love the sound but do not want the cloud.

Is a Digitrax DH121 a good choice for my Hudson?
Thank you,
Thorin
Group: S-Trains Message: 62659 From: hhisgauger Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Hilton Head South Carolina
Just checking to see if their are any S Gaugers in Hilton Head...building a layout...looking to share in the fun...! Hope to see y'all soon !
Group: S-Trains Message: 62660 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Mine is NON-Pikemaster though. :^)

Rick


On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Gary Chidester wrote:

> Mine is like that. It was a Christmas gift in 1964 and is Pikemaster couplers. Don't know if that gives you pertinent information or not.
>
> Gary
>
> On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
>
> > I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago ($60 with shipping).
> > I asked about it on chat last Sunday night. A few figured it may be an earlier 21085.
> > It has the die-cast trailing truck / white wall wheels / knuckle coupler and the 2-position switch
> > in the cab. My other 21085 does NOT have the die-cast trailing truck or the 2-position switch.
> > I didn't know Gilbert used that 2-position switch in a Pacific.
> >
> > Soooo ... whatta think? An early 21085?
> > IMG_3523.sized.jpg
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Rick in Cali
> >
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> >
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62661 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.

I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood





Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics, it has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took other forms of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier checks and personal checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who asked this question and they said no. So what happens, ebays says seller blocked my bid on this item and I lost it.
Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for sale so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem. When the item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid, which was much higher that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him why he had blocked my bid and he said he had not blocked it and would have not done that to me. He said this had happened to other buyers that had wanted to pay for an item without using PayPal. He says that ebay does this often and the next time that I bid on one of his items that the bid would go through. He agreed with me that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.
So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to pay by another means, beware.

Harwood









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Group: S-Trains Message: 62662 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Hi Harwood.
It is my understanding that the only way you can pay for anything now on EBay is by using PayPal.
I am sorry to hear about your blocking troubles, as I know John Heck would never block you on anything and I am glad to hear he did not.
Sounds like something could be effecting your eBay account.
I would email or call eBay, as I know they have a 800 number, but I do not have it and talk to them about your blocking issues.
It just sounds like something is not right here, like a bug or something. Not in your computer, but a glitch in you account, eBay connections, something is really wrong here.
Good luck with this.
Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62663 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Rick,

I have the complete 20766 Set, "The Mowhawk". The 21085 engine has the two position reverse unit at the back of the cab and the tender has the Pikemaster coupler. All of the freight cars and caboose also
are Pikemaster. Hope this helps.

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62664 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
I have 3 21085 Pacifics. One is 3 position e-unit, cast trailing truck, hard-wired tender, whitewalls, blackened drivers, knuckle coupler. One is 2 position, 2 wire tender, whitewalls, cast trailing truck, bare metal drivers, knuckle coupler. The third  is 2-wire tender, 2 position e-unit, solid plastic drivers, plastic trailing truck, Pike-Master coupler. I know of a 21085 that a friend has that is similar to my #1, except that it has a proper jack panel at the rear of the cab. I'll bet that 21085 has TONS of variants- John Marganski

> I asked about it on chat last Sunday night. A few figured it may be an earlier 21085.
> It has the die-cast trailing truck / white wall wheels / knuckle coupler and the 2-position switch

> in the cab. My other 21085 does NOT have the die-cast trailing truck or the 2-position switch.

> I didn't know Gilbert used that 2-position switch in a Pacific.

>

> Soooo ... whatta think? An early 21085?

> IMG_3523.sized.jpg

>






















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Group: S-Trains Message: 62665 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
HARWOOD..... If John said it..... ITS TRUE..... Have known him for years and always fair.... Like some of the seasoned guys..... You can trust him.... Bob

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:


From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:54 PM


 





Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.

I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics, it has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took other forms of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier checks and personal checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who asked this question and they said no. So what happens, ebays says seller blocked my bid on this item and I lost it.
Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for sale so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem. When the item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid, which was much higher that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him why he had blocked my bid and he said he had not blocked it and would have not done that to me. He said this had happened to other buyers that had wanted to pay for an item without using PayPal. He says that ebay does this often and the next time that I bid on one of his items that the bid would go through. He agreed with me that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.
So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to pay by another means, beware.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62666 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Mike,
This is not true. The last ten items I have bought off of ebay have been paid for by MO, Check or Cashiers Check. Many sellers I have contacted are very willing to except other forms of payment.
I just bought a Marx parts engine from a guy in Brooklyn, NY and paid by check with TCA number. He is a TCA member and I have bought from him before. I have a friend that only buys from sellers who will except other forms of payment.
I have my reasons for not using paypal.
Harwood







-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBay Blocking Bids, Again






Hi Harwood.
It is my understanding that the only way you can pay for anything now on EBay is by using PayPal.
I am sorry to hear about your blocking troubles, as I know John Heck would never block you on anything and I am glad to hear he did not.
Sounds like something could be effecting your eBay account.
I would email or call eBay, as I know they have a 800 number, but I do not have it and talk to them about your blocking issues.
It just sounds like something is not right here, like a bug or something. Not in your computer, but a glitch in you account, eBay connections, something is really wrong here.
Good luck with this.
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62667 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Santa
Santa (Kim and her mother) brought me a wonderful present: a Turbo Shell Casing Cleaner, and 7 lb. walnutshell/jewler's rouge medium. I may be selling my big Dillon, as this baby is smaller and uses less electricity. Will have pictures of our Christmas Village and trains this weekend. Happy New Year to all!! - John Marganski




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62668 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Rick Evans wrote:

> Mine is NON-Pikemaster though. :^)
>
> Rick
>
> On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Gary Chidester wrote:
>
> > Mine is like that. It was a Christmas gift in 1964 and is Pikemaster couplers. Don't know if that gives you pertinent information or not.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
> >
> > > I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago ($60 with shipping).
> > > I asked about it on chat last Sunday night. A few figured it may be an earlier 21085.
> > > It has the die-cast trailing truck / white wall wheels / knuckle coupler and the 2-position switch
> > > in the cab. My other 21085 does NOT have the die-cast trailing truck or the 2-position switch.
> > > I didn't know Gilbert used that 2-position switch in a Pacific.
> > >
> > > Soooo ... whatta think? An early 21085?
> > > IMG_3523.sized.jpg
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Rick in Cali
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62669 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Definitely early 21805. Mine does have the die cast trailing trucks and is the best smoker in my fleet. The only drawback is the Pikemasters, but since it was a christmas present and my first AF it will stay original.

gary


On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Rick Evans wrote:

> Mine is NON-Pikemaster though. :^)
>
> Rick
>
> On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Gary Chidester wrote:
>
> > Mine is like that. It was a Christmas gift in 1964 and is Pikemaster couplers. Don't know if that gives you pertinent information or not.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
> >
> > > I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago ($60 with shipping).
> > > I asked about it on chat last Sunday night. A few figured it may be an earlier 21085.
> > > It has the die-cast trailing truck / white wall wheels / knuckle coupler and the 2-position switch
> > > in the cab. My other 21085 does NOT have the die-cast trailing truck or the 2-position switch.
> > > I didn't know Gilbert used that 2-position switch in a Pacific.
> > >
> > > Soooo ... whatta think? An early 21085?
> > > IMG_3523.sized.jpg
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Rick in Cali
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62670 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Rick, That is the set I have! Bay window caboose, Great Northern Reefer, Hooker Tank Car, New Haven Car Carrier, N&W Gondola?


On Dec 28, 2010, at 2:54 PM, acgilbertguy wrote:

>
>
> Rick,
>
> I have the complete 20766 Set, "The Mowhawk". The 21085 engine has the two position reverse unit at the back of the cab and the tender has the Pikemaster coupler. All of the freight cars and caboose also
> are Pikemaster. Hope this helps.
>
> Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
> >
> > I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62671 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: DCC unit for S-n-S motored K325
It is barely strong enough to run the motor, but will most certainly not
run the headlight and smoke unit. The Can motor runs at 1/4 amp without a big
load and stalls at 9/10 amp. The decoder is only good for 1/2 amp.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 12/28/2010 2:12:15 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
lagthor@... writes:




Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) ladies:
I have a pile of idle Digitrax DH121 decoders. (Some are from teh 1990s.)
Is a DH121 powerful enough to run an S-n-S remotored AF Hudson with that
big can motor? The decoder also has to run the front headlight with its
original light bulb.

If the DH121 is powerful enough to run the motor and headlight, is it also
powerful enough to also control the currently-dewired smoke unit? (If not,
I stay smokeless.) I love the sound but do not want the cloud.

Is a Digitrax DH121 a good choice for my Hudson?
Thank you,
Thorin





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62672 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Hi Guys,

When a seller creates an ad, there is no listing item to specify other
means of payment, but, it can be done. The sellers need to tip toe
around the easily scanned text. When I list stuff, I usually say
something like 'Please contact me if some other method of payment suits
your needs' and that gets through the automated censors.

These PayPal requirements are not all just eBay strategy. There are real
legal constraints in place which require some accounting of online
sales. One way to satisfy those requirements is to use PayPal. Many of
the stores on the site also proclaim that they accept cards but that the
buyer must log in to their system to pay.

BTW, I like PayPal and eBay. Together, they add a huge train show where
I can buy and sell without traveling around the country and paying for
lodging.

Happy New Year,
Bill

Reply from Bill Porter


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] EBay Blocking Bids, Again



Mike,
This is not true. The last ten items I have bought off of ebay have
been paid for by MO, Check or Cashiers Check. Many sellers I have
contacted are very willing to except other forms of payment.
I just bought a Marx parts engine from a guy in Brooklyn, NY and
paid by check with TCA number. He is a TCA member and I have bought from
him before. I have a friend that only buys from sellers who will except
other forms of payment.
I have my reasons for not using paypal.
Harwood







-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBay Blocking Bids, Again






Hi Harwood.
It is my understanding that the only way you can pay for anything now on
EBay is by using PayPal.
I am sorry to hear about your blocking troubles, as I know John Heck
would never block you on anything and I am glad to hear he did not.
Sounds like something could be effecting your eBay account.
I would email or call eBay, as I know they have a 800 number, but I do
not have it and talk to them about your blocking issues.
It just sounds like something is not right here, like a bug or
something. Not in your computer, but a glitch in you account, eBay
connections, something is really wrong here.
Good luck with this.
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62673 From: Bruce Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
This does not make any sense to me. How would Ebay know how you intended to pay for an item before the auction ended? In order to block a bid, they would have to do so before the auction ended. Once the auction ends and you have been declared the winner, they cannot reverse the results. Do you all see my point here?

Bruce



From: HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:54 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again


He agreed with me that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.
So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to pay by another means, beware.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62674 From: Larry Asp Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Question about my "new to me" 21085
Checking Doyles book - theres 6 versions of 21085. Version 1 has operating knuckle couplers, version 2 in 1961 went to Pikemaster with Pikemaster couplers, and susequent versions were also Pikemaster equipped. None are considered rare.


On 2010-12-28, at 5:03 PM, Gary Chidester wrote:

>
> On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
>
>> Mine is NON-Pikemaster though. :^)
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Gary Chidester wrote:
>>
>>> Mine is like that. It was a Christmas gift in 1964 and is Pikemaster couplers. Don't know if that gives you pertinent information or not.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a real nice, clean, 21085 off eBay a couple of weeks ago ($60 with shipping).
>>>> I asked about it on chat last Sunday night. A few figured it may be an earlier 21085.
>>>> It has the die-cast trailing truck / white wall wheels / knuckle coupler and the 2-position switch
>>>> in the cab. My other 21085 does NOT have the die-cast trailing truck or the 2-position switch.
>>>> I didn't know Gilbert used that 2-position switch in a Pacific.
>>>>
>>>> Soooo ... whatta think? An early 21085?
>>>> IMG_3523.sized.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Rick in Cali
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
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> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62675 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Bottom line is why would you not want to use PayPal anyway - quicker,
cheaper, infinitely more secure? Alistair


On Wed 29/12/10 3:24 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 62676 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Sounds like the seller did not get what they wanted. I take checks & mo's
all the time, & never had an issue. Mike


In a message dated 12/28/2010 3:49:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alizoo@... writes:




Bottom line is why would you not want to use PayPal anyway - quicker,
cheaper, infinitely more secure? Alistair


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62677 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Things from China, M2 Cars
Someone on the S list mentioned the M2 set of cars that came out with a Studebaker tow truck.

I ordered a set from 1stopdicast as the cars, set of 6 came today.

The set was 37.95 with free shipping.

I have gotten M2s before as they come individually boxed on a platform with the year and name of the car or truck.

I know many car buffs buy these as collectables.

Linda was and is very impress with this cars, as we have many on the layout. they are with great detail.

she saw the Made in China on the box as she said, these people in China must wonder what we do with these things including trains and other things.

She said they must think all Americans are very rich and wealthy, but she and we all know we are not. But it shows you how much disposable income we have to buy things we enjoy in life.

M2 has another nice set of 6 cars coming out in January.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62678 From: Ben Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Traction tires for #800 Northern
Just tried to run my Lionel Northern and it started to wobble on the track. Culprit was soon found- the traction tire had dried, flattened on the storage shelf rails, and bunched into one spot creating a high spot. Trying to smooth things out again, the cracked tire broke in half. Nice.

Where can I get replacements? I am pretty sure these are the EXTRA set sent with the original packaging.

This locomotive is not that old. Why are the traction tires wearing/drying out so fast? You won't see a Pull Mor tire from original AC Gilbert stock so worn after 60 years!

Thanks- Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 62679 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Possibly because Harwood does not have a PayPal account which some how EBay might know.

But still, I can not believe EBay would do this, that is not right, over all.

Again, if I was Harwood, I would try my best to contact them.

If he gets no response, then that shows me very poor customer service no matter what.

Mike

From: Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again



This does not make any sense to me. How would Ebay know how you intended to pay for an item before the auction ended? In order to block a bid, they would have to do so before the auction ended. Once the auction ends and you have been declared the winner, they cannot reverse the results. Do you all see my point here?

Bruce

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62680 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Harwood.

Thanks for letting me know that you can still pay by check.

For some reason, I thought was the case.

But still something is not right in you getting blocked for no reason, other than you not using Pay Pal.

I still would contact EBay, as I can not believe from a public relations view, they would do this to someone not using Pay Pal.

Again thanks for the information.

Mike
From: HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] EBay Blocking Bids, Again



Mike,
This is not true. The last ten items I have bought off of ebay have been paid for by MO, Check or Cashiers Check. Many sellers I have contacted are very willing to except other forms of payment.
I just bought a Marx parts engine from a guy in Brooklyn, NY and paid by check with TCA number. He is a TCA member and I have bought from him before. I have a friend that only buys from sellers who will except other forms of payment.
I have my reasons for not using paypal.
Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62681 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Can we talk about something else?  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:

From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:58 PM
















 









Sounds like the seller did not get what they wanted. I take checks & mo's

all the time, & never had an issue. Mike





In a message dated 12/28/2010 3:49:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

alizoo@... writes:



Bottom line is why would you not want to use PayPal anyway - quicker,

cheaper, infinitely more secure? Alistair



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62682 From: Ken Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
Can anyone help with this low power locomotive? I'm not sure where
to start looking or what might be the possible reason. The set is
on I have had since the early 50's.. It pulls 6 cars and barely
moves. I have lubricated the engine but, didn't help. The
controller is also original, #15B, 7-15 volt. Need help in
diagnosing the problem.

Ken Christiansen
Broker Associate

551 N. Mulford Rd.
Rockford, IL 61107
Cell: 815-218-3957
email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@...
efax: 815-231-8032
Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62683 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Sorry,

I meant to write I thought that you could not pay by check, as I meant to write “for some reason, I thought that was NOT the case about checks on eBay, or MOs.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 6:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBay Blocking Bids, Again


Harwood.

Thanks for letting me know that you can still pay by check.

For some reason, I thought was the case.

But still something is not right in you getting blocked for no reason, other than you not using Pay Pal.

I still would contact EBay, as I can not believe from a public relations view, they would do this to someone not using Pay Pal.

Again thanks for the information.

Mike
From: mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] EBay Blocking Bids, Again

Mike,
This is not true. The last ten items I have bought off of ebay have been paid for by MO, Check or Cashiers Check. Many sellers I have contacted are very willing to except other forms of payment.
I just bought a Marx parts engine from a guy in Brooklyn, NY and paid by check with TCA number. He is a TCA member and I have bought from him before. I have a friend that only buys from sellers who will except other forms of payment.
I have my reasons for not using paypal.
Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62684 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
Try taking all the cars off and just run the loco 'round and 'round the track by itself.  You would be surprised at how many times I have heard that that is all they need to pick up speed!  But don't let the motor smoke!!!!!!  Otherwise, look at friction.  Clean out the gear box and make sure the motor or linkage doesn't bind in any way and has a little drop of oil in all the right places.  I've seen cat or dog hair wind around shafts and such to foul things up.
Regards,Timboy

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, Ken <klchris@...> wrote:

From: Ken <klchris@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 9:18 PM
















 









Can anyone help with this low power locomotive? I'm not sure where

to start looking or what might be the possible reason. The set is

on I have had since the early 50's.. It pulls 6 cars and barely

moves. I have lubricated the engine but, didn't help. The

controller is also original, #15B, 7-15 volt. Need help in

diagnosing the problem.



Ken Christiansen

Broker Associate



551 N. Mulford Rd.

Rockford, IL 61107

Cell: 815-218-3957

email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@...

efax: 815-231-8032

Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62685 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
Clean the metal tender wheels too.

A bright boy eraser works good.

Mike

From: Tim Brown
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:41 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER


Try taking all the cars off and just run the loco 'round and 'round the track by itself. You would be surprised at how many times I have heard that that is all they need to pick up speed! But don't let the motor smoke!!!!!! Otherwise, look at friction. Clean out the gear box and make sure the motor or linkage doesn't bind in any way and has a little drop of oil in all the right places. I've seen cat or dog hair wind around shafts and such to foul things up.
Regards,Timboy

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, Ken <mailto:klchris%40comcast.net> wrote:

From: Ken <mailto:klchris%40comcast.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 9:18 PM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62686 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: 07 - [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Tim,

I just visited your blog and saw the unusual use of erector parts to
make a ramp. It probably is unusual in that it hasn't been done for a
long time, but in a way your integration of erector set parts is an
homage to the 2nd floor Gilbert Hall of Science Layout of 1950. Very
nicely done. For an historical perspective see

http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos/buckage/erector_girder_crossover.htm

You did go them one better by more extensive use of erector parts for
the ramp supports.

Dale


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62687 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Hi Harwood,
                          I sent you an email on how blocked bids work.  As an ebay buyer, you might want to send ebay an email and ask them if they will block your bid if you want to pay with a check or money order.  Some time ago ebay made almost all the sellers remove accepted payments of checks or money orders from our descriptions.  When I had some listings with checks and money orders in my listings. Ebay removed those listings.  I could only accept Paypal or credit cards.   I've had winning sellers pay me with checks and money orders as I have accepted those payments without approval from ebay.  I would go into you ebay accopunt and see if they have your account on hold.  If you don't have a Paypal account, I would suggest opening an account even if you don't want to pay with Paypal.   Ebay owns Paypal so if you don't have a Paypal account, they may assume you're not paying with Paypal.  If you have any other
questions or you need any other help, please ask.  I've been on ebay since 1999.
                                                  Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:54 PM







 













Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.



I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?



Harwood



Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics, it has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took other forms of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier checks and personal checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who asked this question and they said no. So what happens, ebays says seller blocked my bid on this item and I lost it.

Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for sale so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem. When the item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid, which was much higher that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him why he had blocked my bid and he said he had not blocked it and would have not done that to me. He said this had happened to other buyers that had wanted to pay for an item without using PayPal. He says that ebay does this often and the next time that I bid on one of his items that the bid would go through. He agreed with me that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.

So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to pay by another means, beware.



Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62688 From: Dave Winslow Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Seems to me there is a better explanation than Paypal's or
Ebay's deliberately punishing people. As someone has pointed
out, they would have no way of knowing your payment
intentions prior or even after the auction. They could
determine who is a paypal member, but to "block" their bids
without mention of why would surely limit new memberships,
reduce the value of the service provided sellers as well as
buyers.

I suspect there is a common sense reason the person having
this problem has overlooked. You are always notified via
Email when you become high bidder, or are overbid, any bid
"blocking" should be obvious at the time of the bid, and a
reason determined. Claiming to be unknowingly blocked until
the auction is over makes no sense whatever.



On 12/28/2010 6:37 PM, alizoo@... wrote:
> Bottom line is why would you not want to use PayPal anyway -
> quicker,
> cheaper, infinitely more secure? Alistair
>
> On Wed 29/12/10 3:24 AM , HOwingsiii@...
> <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the
> item sell
> below your bid and then get a message that the seller
> blocked your
> bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they
> never
> blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay
> actually
> doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> Harwood
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62689 From: Tom Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER
HI Ken

Probably needs a good cleaning. or a pair of brushes and springs. How
mechanic inclined are you? I used to work for six hobby shops in
Chicago area .

Tom David 708.699.9148




For a great Florida Vacation click here
 mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken <klchris@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:18 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 293 LOCOMOTIVE WITH LOW POWER




Can anyone help with this low power locomotive? I'm not sure where
to start looking or what might be the possible reason. The set is
on I have had since the early 50's.. It pulls 6 cars and barely
moves. I have lubricated the engine but, didn't help. The
controller is also original, #15B, 7-15 volt. Need help in
diagnosing the problem.

Ken Christiansen
Broker Associate

551 N. Mulford Rd.
Rockford, IL 61107
Cell: 815-218-3957
email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@...
efax: 815-231-8032
Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62690 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Traction tires for #800 Northern
We have these in stock, and for the Mikado as well.



<<<Just tried to run my Lionel Northern and it started to wobble on the
track. Culprit was soon found- the traction tire had dried, flattened on
the storage shelf rails, and bunched into one spot creating a high spot.
Trying to smooth things out again, the cracked tire broke in half. Nice.
Where can I get replacements?>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62691 From: Steve Lunde Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: DCC unit for S-n-S motored K325
Thorin,

The DH 121 is a 1.5 amp decoder with 2 amp stall. Should work in your hudson with a SnS can motor. Look at Michael Green's web site on how to wire in a Smoke unit. You will need to wire direct to track, use a function to turn on and off with the use of a relay switch. May want to use a different type of light bulb.

Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Thorin
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] DCC unit for S-n-S motored K325



Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) ladies:
I have a pile of idle Digitrax DH121 decoders. (Some are from teh 1990s.) Is a DH121 powerful enough to run an S-n-S remotored AF Hudson with that big can motor? The decoder also has to run the front headlight with its original light bulb.

If the DH121 is powerful enough to run the motor and headlight, is it also powerful enough to also control the currently-dewired smoke unit? (If not, I stay smokeless.) I love the sound but do not want the cloud.

Is a Digitrax DH121 a good choice for my Hudson?
Thank you,
Thorin





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62692 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Paypal.... Simple... If ebays coumpuer shows you do not have an account to them.... BINGO you can be blocked if they want to.... Period.... they are OUT TO MAKE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ... They don't make the few cents on a check or money order.... So force people to do what they want.... Bob Conner

--- On Wed, 12/29/10, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:


From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 5:11 AM


 



Seems to me there is a better explanation than Paypal's or
Ebay's deliberately punishing people. As someone has pointed
out, they would have no way of knowing your payment
intentions prior or even after the auction. They could
determine who is a paypal member, but to "block" their bids
without mention of why would surely limit new memberships,
reduce the value of the service provided sellers as well as
buyers.

I suspect there is a common sense reason the person having
this problem has overlooked. You are always notified via
Email when you become high bidder, or are overbid, any bid
"blocking" should be obvious at the time of the bid, and a
reason determined. Claiming to be unknowingly blocked until
the auction is over makes no sense whatever.

On 12/28/2010 6:37 PM, alizoo@... wrote:
> Bottom line is why would you not want to use PayPal anyway -
> quicker,
> cheaper, infinitely more secure? Alistair
>
> On Wed 29/12/10 3:24 AM , HOwingsiii@...
> <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the
> item sell
> below your bid and then get a message that the seller
> blocked your
> bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they
> never
> blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay
> actually
> doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> Harwood
>
>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 62693 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

Thanks, Dale! And thanks to all who responded offline with nice and interesting comments!

Before I tore down my last Flyer hi-rail layout, I built at large Flyer toy train layout. It later evolved into that hi-rail layout. The toy train layout measured 11X32. There are some interesting features, such as continued use of Erector, an unusual use of Flyer trestles and a few more surprises. To see pics and details and more: visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62694 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Hold the bone-a-phone.... You don't need a PayPal account to buy on E-Bay.
When the auction ends, E-Bay & PayPal allow you to send an invoice from
them. The buyer can then pay via PayPal with a CC or send you payment via
check also. There is no need to have a PayPal account to pay. Mike
PS: E-Bay has offered other pay services too.This keeps them out of
trouble with the law


In a message dated 12/29/2010 9:10:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rcon7@... writes:




Paypal.... Simple... If ebays coumpuer shows you do not have an account to
them.... BINGO you can be blocked if they want to.... Period.... they are
OUT TO MAKE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ... They don't make the few cents on a check
or money order.... So force people to do what they want.... Bob Conner

--- On Wed, 12/29/10, Dave Winslow <_davidwin@..._
(mailto:davidwin@...) > wrote:

From: Dave Winslow <_davidwin@..._ (mailto:davidwin@...) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 5:11 AM



Seems to me there is a better explanation than Paypal's or
Ebay's deliberately punishing people. As someone has pointed
out, they would have no way of knowing your payment
intentions prior or even after the auction. They could
determine who is a paypal member, but to "block" their bids
without mention of why would surely limit new memberships,
reduce the value of the service provided sellers as well as
buyers.

I suspect there is a common sense reason the person having
this problem has overlooked. You are always notified via
Email when you become high bidder, or are overbid, any bid
"blocking" should be obvious at the time of the bid, and a
reason determined. Claiming to be unknowingly blocked until
the auction is over makes no sense whatever.

On 12/28/2010 6:37 PM, _alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...)
wrote:
> Bottom line is why would you not want to use PayPal anyway -
> quicker,
> cheaper, infinitely more secure? Alistair
>
> On Wed 29/12/10 3:24 AM , _HOwingsiii@..._
(mailto:HOwingsiii@...)
> <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> sent:
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the
> item sell
> below your bid and then get a message that the seller
> blocked your
> bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they
> never
> blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay
> actually
> doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
> Harwood
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62695 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Tom,
I have a Paypal account. I would rather not charge items unless I really have to . I beleive in privacy and freedom of choice when it comes to paying for any item I purchase anywhere. We need to end this conversation and talk trains.
Harwood






-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:55 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again




Hi Harwood,
I sent you an email on how blocked bids work. As an ebay buyer, you might want to send ebay an email and ask them if they will block your bid if you want to pay with a check or money order. Some time ago ebay made almost all the sellers remove accepted payments of checks or money orders from our descriptions. When I had some listings with checks and money orders in my listings. Ebay removed those listings. I could only accept Paypal or credit cards. I've had winning sellers pay me with checks and money orders as I have accepted those payments without approval from ebay. I would go into you ebay accopunt and see if they have your account on hold. If you don't have a Paypal account, I would suggest opening an account even if you don't want to pay with Paypal. Ebay owns Paypal so if you don't have a Paypal account, they may assume you're not paying with Paypal. If you have any other
questions or you need any other help, please ask. I've been on ebay since 1999.
Tom Seccia

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:

From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:54 PM



Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.

I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?

Harwood

Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics, it has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took other forms of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier checks and personal checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who asked this question and they said no. So what happens, ebays says seller blocked my bid on this item and I lost it.

Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for sale so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem. When the item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid, which was much higher that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him why he had blocked my bid and he said he had not blocked it and would have not done that to me. He said this had happened to other buyers that had wanted to pay for an item without using PayPal. He says that ebay does this often and the next time that I bid on one of his items that the bid would go through. He agreed with me that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.

So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to pay by another means, beware.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62696 From: Ben Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Traction tires for #800 Northern
Hi Doug-

What is your part number and price for the Lionel traction tire?

Also may need a locomotive drawbar for a 342 AC- I see three listed on your website. What are the differences?

Thanks! Ben



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> We have these in stock, and for the Mikado as well.
>
>
>
> <<<Just tried to run my Lionel Northern and it started to wobble on the
> track. Culprit was soon found- the traction tire had dried, flattened on
> the storage shelf rails, and bunched into one spot creating a high spot.
> Trying to smooth things out again, the cracked tire broke in half. Nice.
> Where can I get replacements?>>>
>
>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> doug@...
> www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>
> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/>
> www.sgaugetrains.com
> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62697 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Ebay Blocking Bids, Changing the Subject
Most certainly Tim,
Question on Billy the Baggage Smasher. Is the platform & vertical pin with felt on the bottom that the cart and Billy are attached to, the same as the one used for Smitty the walking brakeman?

Harwood, changing the subject









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Group: S-Trains Message: 62698 From: Bruce Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Changing the Subject
It probably would help if you changed the subject line as well.

Bruce



From: HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:31 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Changing the Subject




Most certainly Tim,
Question on Billy the Baggage Smasher. Is the platform & vertical pin with felt on the bottom that the cart and Billy are attached to, the same as the one used for Smitty the walking brakeman?

Harwood, changing the subject

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62699 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
I agree it is time to finish. But the bottom line is you need to get
in touch with eBay and find out what accidental gliche is causing
yopur problems. If it is only the one seller than look elsewhere - it
is them causing the problem, Alistair
On Thu 30/12/10 4:28 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
Tom,
I have a Paypal account. I would rather not charge items unless I
really have to . I beleive in privacy and freedom of choice when it
comes to paying for any item I purchase anywhere. We need to end this
conversation and talk trains.
Harwood
-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia
To: S-Trains
Sent: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:55 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
Hi Harwood,
I sent you an email on how blocked bids work. As an ebay buyer, you
might want to send ebay an email and ask them if they will block your
bid if you want to pay with a check or money order. Some time ago ebay
made almost all the sellers remove accepted payments of checks or
money orders from our descriptions. When I had some listings with
checks and money orders in my listings. Ebay removed those listings.
I could only accept Paypal or credit cards. I've had winning sellers
pay me with checks and money orders as I have accepted those payments
without approval from ebay. I would go into you ebay accopunt and see
if they have your account on hold. If you don't have a Paypal
account, I would suggest opening an account even if you don't want to
pay with Paypal. Ebay owns Paypal so if you don't have a Paypal
account, they may assume you're not paying with Paypal. If you have
any other
questions or you need any other help, please ask. I've been on ebay
since 1999.
Tom Seccia
--- On Tue, 12/28/10, HOwingsiii@... [3] wrote:
From: HOwingsiii@... [5]
Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7]
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:54 PM
Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell
below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your
bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually
doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
Harwood
Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics,
it has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took
other forms of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier
checks and personal checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who
asked this question and they said no. So what happens, ebays says
seller blocked my bid on this item and I lost it.
Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for
sale so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem.
When the item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid,
which was much higher that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him
why he had blocked my bid and he said he had not blocked it and would
have not done that to me. He said this had happened to other buyers
that had wanted to pay for an item without using PayPal. He says that
ebay does this often and the next time that I bid on one of his items
that the bid would go through. He agreed with me that ebay uses this
to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.
So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and
want to pay by another means, beware.
Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62700 From: Rusty Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: American Flyer box
I have a Gulf tank car in a box that is yellow with blue, Not blue with yellow. What time period is this. I have no idea what I'm doing here at all!!!!!

Rusty Rustermier
Group: S-Trains Message: 62701 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: stockyard revisited
Several years ago I wrote how my cows in my stockyard did not move much.

I got allot of suggestions, new feet, a adjusting screw on the motor, use a certain type Wattage transformer, etc..

well, I changed the feet, adjusted the screw, got a 40 W transformer and no changes.

Tonight I was fooling with it, as when I press down the metal bracket holding the motor, the pad vibrates and the cows move!

I notice two holes in the pad and metal floor in the housing.

Is there some screws missing or is that just to release air.

Any suggestions on getting the pad to vibrate more.

Its been a rough two years for the cows.

thanks for the help.

Moooooooooo,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62702 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: American Flyer Cities Service & Skelgas Tank
E-bay item #230568353033 This is the first time i have seen these, Mike
in Ore


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62703 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: stockyard revisited
I think I got my answer, cheap mat.

This is what came with this unit when I got it in 1992!

I am placing a order with Doug Peck for more people for my layout so I will get a new mat.

If that does not work, then the stockyard will close, the land will be sold for development, new homes.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:28 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] stockyard revisited


Several years ago I wrote how my cows in my stockyard did not move much.

I got allot of suggestions, new feet, a adjusting screw on the motor, use a certain type Wattage transformer, etc..

well, I changed the feet, adjusted the screw, got a 40 W transformer and no changes.

Tonight I was fooling with it, as when I press down the metal bracket holding the motor, the pad vibrates and the cows move!

I notice two holes in the pad and metal floor in the housing.

Is there some screws missing or is that just to release air.

Any suggestions on getting the pad to vibrate more.

Its been a rough two years for the cows.

thanks for the help.

Moooooooooo,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62704 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: stockyard revisited
Mike- When I got my old stockyard, the pad did not seem to vibrate much. The unit made a lot of noise, but that's about it. Thinking that I needed to replace the old, dried out mat, I gently lifted it up. It had been stuck down to the metal base. i don't know if it was glued down at the factory or not, but I turned it on with the old mat loose (not glued down) and the cows took off with happy feet! I have no idea how it's "supposed" to be, but that's how mine works.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:28:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] stockyard revisited






Several years ago I wrote how my cows in my stockyard did not move much.

I got allot of suggestions, new feet, a adjusting screw on the motor, use a certain type Wattage transformer, etc..

well, I changed the feet, adjusted the screw, got a 40 W transformer and no changes.

Tonight I was fooling with it, as when I press down the metal bracket holding the motor, the pad vibrates and the cows move!

I notice two holes in the pad and metal floor in the housing.

Is there some screws missing or is that just to release air.

Any suggestions on getting the pad to vibrate more.

Its been a rough two years for the cows.

thanks for the help.

Moooooooooo,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62705 From: aztecfan Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: This Marx sounds like a Flyer, but?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puW_NkTlW1M

It seams to smoke more. Look at the end where it is in the tender?

Might try and find one. I thought their only sound came machanicly. It was late in 60's I think.

They had a steam engine that smoked at the stearm chest. I would like to try that with a Flyer.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 62706 From: rj4010d Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: You tube
Gentlemen, New vedios posted by CARTRAIN1 from Miami Valley "S" Gaugers Eaton Oh Christmas Show. Enjoy!
Bob Guckian
Group: S-Trains Message: 62707 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: This Marx sounds like a Flyer, but?
To me, the explanation is simple; A Flyer smoke and choo-choo in tender unit in a Marx tender.
I don't recall Marx ever having such a unit.
I've thought about using both Smoke In Tender and Smoke In Boiler together to get "steam" discharge at the cylinders as well as smoke at the stack. I tried using just the Smoke In Boiler with added piping to the steam chests like Lionel did several years back, but it doesn't work well for me either.
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 62708 From: May Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: American Flyer laout on YouTube
Perhaps one of you fine people could help us out. My husband and I were watch this this video on YouTube. It was a American Flyer layout and there was a up and over figure 8 in the middle of it with a doubleheader. The comments left by the person stated he used old curves with K-Line curves. Would anyone know what the size of the layout is? My husband said it sort of reminded him of The Gilbert Hall of Sciene layout if this is any help to anyone.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62709 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Flyer GP-7 Motor
Need to disassemble a geep?


http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=4785


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 62710 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: This Marx sounds like a Flyer, but?
I'm no expert on Marx, but after I viewed that video one of the
selections presented by Youtube was another video of a 999, which had no
sound and no smoke. see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJwT_e6oLuw&NR=1&feature=fvwp
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJwT_e6oLuw&NR=1&feature=fvwp>

I think the smoking 999 has been modified with a Flyer SIT smoke unit.
I couldn't identify the filler cap though. Maybe it is under the coal pile.

Dale

On 12/30/2010 2:21 AM, aztecfan wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puW_NkTlW1M
>
> It seams to smoke more. Look at the end where it is in the tender?
>
> Might try and find one. I thought their only sound came machanicly. It
> was late in 60's I think.
>
> They had a steam engine that smoked at the stearm chest. I would like
> to try that with a Flyer.
>
> Jim Sleeth
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62711 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Mike & Jim:
I think it is Tom Barker's book that tells us to glue the mat down. That is absolutely what you DON'T want to do! The mat must be free to float and thus vibrate. I have removed an old, dingy mat and re-blackened it with liquid shoe polish. The difference was amazing and it worked just fine after I re-installed it.

Harwood:
I don't have a clue.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote:
>
>
> Mike- When I got my old stockyard, the pad did not seem to vibrate much. The unit made a lot of noise, but that's about it. Thinking that I needed to replace the old, dried out mat, I gently lifted it up. It had been stuck down to the metal base. i don't know if it was glued down at the factory or not, but I turned it on with the old mat loose (not glued down) and the cows took off with happy feet! I have no idea how it's "supposed" to be, but that's how mine works.
> Jim E.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:28:36 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] stockyard revisited
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Several years ago I wrote how my cows in my stockyard did not move much.
>
> I got allot of suggestions, new feet, a adjusting screw on the motor, use a certain type Wattage transformer, etc..
>
> well, I changed the feet, adjusted the screw, got a 40 W transformer and no changes.
>
> Tonight I was fooling with it, as when I press down the metal bracket holding the motor, the pad vibrates and the cows move!
>
> I notice two holes in the pad and metal floor in the housing.
>
> Is there some screws missing or is that just to release air.
>
> Any suggestions on getting the pad to vibrate more.
>
> Its been a rough two years for the cows.
>
> thanks for the help.
>
> Moooooooooo,
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62712 From: piccu56 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again
NO that is not how it works. Only the seller has the ability to restrict bids from bidders. When I sell certain items, like an XBox game, I always specify that the bidders must have PayPal, more than 10 feedback, and no complaints in the last 30 days. This is done on a listing by listing basis. This avoids the problem with most buyers in that category that never pay or send bogus payments. So if this seller said they never blocked you, they lied to you. E-Bay does not do this of their own accord, although they have changed the rules since buying out PayPal to make it the only way to pay. But if you list that you accept checks or Money Orders they will not pull the listing, nor will they penalize you if you accept a request from a buyer to pay by Money Order.

Dave


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
>
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
>
> Harwood
>
>
>
>
>
> Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics, it has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took other forms of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier checks and personal checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who asked this question and they said no. So what happens, ebays says seller blocked my bid on this item and I lost it.
> Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for sale so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem. When the item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid, which was much higher that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him why he had blocked my bid and he said he had not blocked it and would have not done that to me. He said this had happened to other buyers that had wanted to pay for an item without using PayPal. He says that ebay does this often and the next time that I bid on one of his items that the bid would go through. He agreed with me that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.
> So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to pay by another means, beware.
>
> Harwood
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62713 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Track planning software
Anybody using or have experience with any of the 'Open Source' (aka free)
layout/track planning software?

see
http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=model+railroad+track+layout+software+open+source&cp=48


--
Paul Yorke


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62714 From: May Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Marx 999 Boiler shell
This might seam a bit strange, but can we modify a Marx 999 shell to fit over a American Flyer 303?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62715 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Stockyard update, as Doug Peck said the pad is probably okay. I got this in 1992 with a new pad.

I put my fingers under it, to lift it up a bit, and now it is vibrating well. Cows are so so, as I have feet from Doug and I am sure I have the feet on right, as they would go either forward or backward if wrong. they seem to go sideways or nothing.

I just seeing Brady’s video of accessories, those cows move!

Anyway, I am going to bring my cows on a trip to York in April and let them loose on some farm. No, I will see if someone can tell if the feet are okay on right.

Or just get a new unit. No, hopefully that is not the case.

Since I am using DCC, I can not use the stock car, I just wanted the cows to go around, and maybe go up into my SHS Stock car. and fall in.

Thanks for the help.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:57 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher


Mike & Jim:
I think it is Tom Barker's book that tells us to glue the mat down. That is absolutely what you DON'T want to do! The mat must be free to float and thus vibrate. I have removed an old, dingy mat and re-blackened it with liquid shoe polish. The difference was amazing and it worked just fine after I re-installed it.

Harwood:
I don't have a clue.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote:
>
>
> Mike- When I got my old stockyard, the pad did not seem to vibrate much. The unit made a lot of noise, but that's about it. Thinking that I needed to replace the old, dried out mat, I gently lifted it up. It had been stuck down to the metal base. i don't know if it was glued down at the factory or not, but I turned it on with the old mat loose (not glued down) and the cows took off with happy feet! I have no idea how it's "supposed" to be, but that's how mine works.
> Jim E.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
> To: "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:28:36 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] stockyard revisited
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Several years ago I wrote how my cows in my stockyard did not move much.
>
> I got allot of suggestions, new feet, a adjusting screw on the motor, use a certain type Wattage transformer, etc..
>
> well, I changed the feet, adjusted the screw, got a 40 W transformer and no changes.
>
> Tonight I was fooling with it, as when I press down the metal bracket holding the motor, the pad vibrates and the cows move!
>
> I notice two holes in the pad and metal floor in the housing.
>
> Is there some screws missing or is that just to release air.
>
> Any suggestions on getting the pad to vibrate more.
>
> Its been a rough two years for the cows.
>
> thanks for the help.
>
> Moooooooooo,
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62716 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
Again, from a public relations point, I can not believe anyone at Ebay is blocking your bids, as Harwood says he has a PayPal account.

how do they know what his intentions are if he wins?

I think if EBay was doing this, it would be in the news, big time.

Mike Marmer

From: piccu56
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:37 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again


NO that is not how it works. Only the seller has the ability to restrict bids from bidders. When I sell certain items, like an XBox game, I always specify that the bidders must have PayPal, more than 10 feedback, and no complaints in the last 30 days. This is done on a listing by listing basis. This avoids the problem with most buyers in that category that never pay or send bogus payments. So if this seller said they never blocked you, they lied to you. E-Bay does not do this of their own accord, although they have changed the rules since buying out PayPal to make it the only way to pay. But if you list that you accept checks or Money Orders they will not pull the listing, nor will they penalize you if you accept a request from a buyer to pay by Money Order.

Dave

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have had this happen numerous times.
>
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
>
> Harwood
>
>
>
>
>
> Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics, it has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took other forms of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier checks and personal checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who asked this question and they said no. So what happens, ebays says seller blocked my bid on this item and I lost it.
> Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for sale so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem. When the item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid, which was much higher that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him why he had blocked my bid and he said he had not blocked it and would have not done that to me. He said this had happened to other buyers that had wanted to pay for an item without using PayPal. He says that ebay does this often and the next time that I bid on one of his items that the bid would go through. He agreed with me that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.
> So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to pay by another means, beware.
>
> Harwood
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62717 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Mike:Ohhhhhhhh, yes you can!  There is a way...Timboy
Since I am using DCC, I can not use the stock car, I just wanted the cows to go around, and maybe go up into my SHS Stock car. and fall in.

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 62718 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Track planning software
I have tried both Xtrkcad and 3rd Planit(which is not free).

Both seem ok and there is a complete discussion group for Xtrkcad
(XTrkCad@yahoogroups.com) with a lot of good information.

I am not actively using either right now because I am waiting to move
again but each seem to have good and bad points.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 12/30/2010 4:29 PM, Paul Yorke wrote:
>
> Anybody using or have experience with any of the 'Open Source' (aka free)
> layout/track planning software?
>
> see
> http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=model+railroad+track+layout+software+open+source&cp=48
> <http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=model+railroad+track+layout+software+open+source&cp=48>
>
> --
> Paul Yorke
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 62719 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: EBay Blocking Bids, Again
No way is E-Bay doing this. Their main concern is $$, you know they will
not block anyone that might raise the bid amount, it cuts into their profit.
They are far to greedy to do it.


In a message dated 12/30/2010 2:12:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Again, from a public relations point, I can not believe anyone at Ebay is
blocking your bids, as Harwood says he has a PayPal account.

how do they know what his intentions are if he wins?

I think if EBay was doing this, it would be in the news, big time.

Mike Marmer

From: piccu56
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:37 PM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again

NO that is not how it works. Only the seller has the ability to restrict
bids from bidders. When I sell certain items, like an XBox game, I always
specify that the bidders must have PayPal, more than 10 feedback, and no
complaints in the last 30 days. This is done on a listing by listing basis.
This avoids the problem with most buyers in that category that never pay or
send bogus payments. So if this seller said they never blocked you, they lied
to you. E-Bay does not do this of their own accord, although they have
changed the rules since buying out PayPal to make it the only way to pay. But
if you list that you accept checks or Money Orders they will not pull the
listing, nor will they penalize you if you accept a request from a buyer to
pay by Money Order.

Dave

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Have any of you ever bid on an item on ebay and have the item sell below
your bid and then get a message that the seller blocked your bid. I have
had this happen numerous times.
>
> I contacted these sellers and have gotten a reply that they never
blocked my bid and have never done this in the past. Is ebay actually doing the
blocking to retaliate for not using paypal?
>
> Harwood
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>
> Now after much discussion on this subject and other related topics, it
has happened again. On purpose I asked the seller if they took other forms
of payment. Their reply was that they took MOs, cashier checks and personal
checks. I also asked if they blocked bidders who asked this question and
they said no. So what happens, ebays says seller blocked my bid on this item
and I lost it.
> Some time back I wanted to bid on and item that John Heck had for sale
so I asked John if he would take a check, John said no problem. When the
item went off, ebay said that seller had blocked my bid, which was much higher
that it sold for. I emailed John and asked him why he had blocked my bid
and he said he had not blocked it and would have not done that to me. He
said this had happened to other buyers that had wanted to pay for an item
without using PayPal. He says that ebay does this often and the next time that
I bid on one of his items that the bid would go through. He agreed with me
that ebay uses this to punishes the bidder who doesn't use their PayPal.
> So if you don't want to use ebay's PayPal to pay for a item, and want to
pay by another means, beware.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62720 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Tim,

Use fiber pins on the track and power it with AC?

I realize that after I cut the stock yard part off.

the reason why I did not do that, is my track Classic track is not the same height as AF.

I can do that maybe by putting a strip of metal along the track, as it is on a siding.

So, I got that hooked up and I got my last AM uncoupler hooked up.

AND, my NJ International light sensored Crossing gates, 3 sets are FINALLY working after 2 years 1 month and some days after purchase. Like 500 in materials. LOL

Wonderful scale item, far better looking that Z Stuff.

Long story someday.

Mike

From: Tim Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:33 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher


Mike:Ohhhhhhhh, yes you can! There is a way...Timboy
Since I am using DCC, I can not use the stock car, I just wanted the cows to go around, and maybe go up into my SHS Stock car. and fall in.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62721 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Michael,
Good start, but there is more to it than that and you can shim for any height variance between vintage Flyer track and the modern track systems.  It can be done quite well.  There is absolutely no reason why we can't have our DCC and vintage vibrating mat cars too!  No reason at all!
Regards,Timboy 

--- On Thu, 12/30/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 6:54 PM
















 









Tim,



Use fiber pins on the track and power it with AC?



I realize that after I cut the stock yard part off.



the reason why I did not do that, is my track Classic track is not the same height as AF.



I can do that maybe by putting a strip of metal along the track, as it is on a siding.



So, I got that hooked up and I got my last AM uncoupler hooked up.



AND, my NJ International light sensored Crossing gates, 3 sets are FINALLY working after 2 years 1 month and some days after purchase. Like 500 in materials. LOL



Wonderful scale item, far better looking that Z Stuff.



Long story someday.



Mike



From: Tim Brown

Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:33 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher



Mike:Ohhhhhhhh, yes you can! There is a way...Timboy

Since I am using DCC, I can not use the stock car, I just wanted the cows to go around, and maybe go up into my SHS Stock car. and fall in.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62722 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
Couldn't you isolate the track that the car rests on. Using a DT4P switch
to change the track voltage from DCC to AC 18+ volts only when loading the
cattle. When full then throw the sw back to DCC. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 12/30/2010 3:47:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
timstrains2000@... writes:




Mike:Ohhhhhhhh, yes you can! There is a way...Timboy
Since I am using DCC, I can not use the stock car, I just wanted the cows
to go around, and maybe go up into my SHS Stock car. and fall in.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62723 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Houston Hobby Shops
Hi All,

I'm back from a week in Florida and a week in Tennessee and am catching up with a couple of hundred posts here - lol.

Someone was asking about train shops in Houston. I live in Katy which is a western suburb of Houston so I'll tell you what I've found in the two plus years I've been here.

There are only a couple of hobby shops in Houston that carry trains. Papa Ben's Train Place is the only shop where I've seen any American Flyer. I've seen one Franklin set there about 1 year ago that was on consignment, but I wasn't interested in it. I was in there a couple of weeks ago and he had a couple of common AF cars on the display shelf. Prices were roughly Greenberg. So I passed on them also.

The best bets in Houston are the TCA meets and the few small local train shows. Prices are high but most guys are willing to deal.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 62724 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Things from China, M2 Cars
Mike,

There are lots of kids in China, so there are lots of toys. I have done a lot of shopping in China and there are toys everywhere.

Speaking of disposable income don't believe that all Chinese are poor and down trodden. One hotel in southern China that I stayed in was on a street with every high priced, well known American luxury store you could name as well as a Bentley dealership just across the street. All imported cars carry at least a 100% tariff and most cars sell for three times the US equivalent cost. But there are new cars everywhere you look, so they have plenty of spending money.

Did you know there are more elementary school children learning English in China than there are American kids learning English in the USA? As long as you stay in the cities you can easily communicate in English with almost everyone under 40.

Northern China is another story. Southern China is highly liberal and capitalistic while northern China has not caught up yet. Northern China is much more conservative and closer to what most of us would expect.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Someone on the S list mentioned the M2 set of cars that came out with a Studebaker tow truck.
>
> I ordered a set from 1stopdicast as the cars, set of 6 came today.
>
> The set was 37.95 with free shipping.
>
> I have gotten M2s before as they come individually boxed on a platform with the year and name of the car or truck.
>
> I know many car buffs buy these as collectables.
>
> Linda was and is very impress with this cars, as we have many on the layout. they are with great detail.
>
> she saw the Made in China on the box as she said, these people in China must wonder what we do with these things including trains and other things.
>
> She said they must think all Americans are very rich and wealthy, but she and we all know we are not. But it shows you how much disposable income we have to buy things we enjoy in life.
>
> M2 has another nice set of 6 cars coming out in January.
>
> Mike
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62725 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
That's close.  You're getting there.  C'mon everyone.  We talked about this.  It got sweetened up real nice in the process.  Sorry.  I'm being a drama-king. LOL  Let's bring this home, shall we Gerald...
Regards,Timboy

--- On Thu, 12/30/10, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:

From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Stockyard & Baggage Smasher
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 7:01 PM
















 









Couldn't you isolate the track that the car rests on. Using a DT4P switch

to change the track voltage from DCC to AC 18+ volts only when loading the

cattle. When full then throw the sw back to DCC. Mike in Ore





In a message dated 12/30/2010 3:47:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

timstrains2000@... writes:



Mike:Ohhhhhhhh, yes you can! There is a way...Timboy

Since I am using DCC, I can not use the stock car, I just wanted the cows

to go around, and maybe go up into my SHS Stock car. and fall in.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 62726 From: Tim Brown Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Things from China, M2 Cars
BG1;
I can think of almost a billion reasons to by American. LOL
Regards,Timboy

--- On Thu, 12/30/10, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Things from China, M2 Cars
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 8:04 PM
















 









Mike,



There are lots of kids in China, so there are lots of toys. I have done a lot of shopping in China and there are toys everywhere.



Speaking of disposable income don't believe that all Chinese are poor and down trodden. One hotel in southern China that I stayed in was on a street with every high priced, well known American luxury store you could name as well as a Bentley dealership just across the street. All imported cars carry at least a 100% tariff and most cars sell for three times the US equivalent cost. But there are new cars everywhere you look, so they have plenty of spending money.



Did you know there are more elementary school children learning English in China than there are American kids learning English in the USA? As long as you stay in the cities you can easily communicate in English with almost everyone under 40.



Northern China is another story. Southern China is highly liberal and capitalistic while northern China has not caught up yet. Northern China is much more conservative and closer to what most of us would expect.



BG1



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

>

> Someone on the S list mentioned the M2 set of cars that came out with a Studebaker tow truck.

>

> I ordered a set from 1stopdicast as the cars, set of 6 came today.

>

> The set was 37.95 with free shipping.

>

> I have gotten M2s before as they come individually boxed on a platform with the year and name of the car or truck.

>

> I know many car buffs buy these as collectables.

>

> Linda was and is very impress with this cars, as we have many on the layout. they are with great detail.

>

> she saw the Made in China on the box as she said, these people in China must wonder what we do with these things including trains and other things.

>

> She said they must think all Americans are very rich and wealthy, but she and we all know we are not. But it shows you how much disposable income we have to buy things we enjoy in life.

>

> M2 has another nice set of 6 cars coming out in January.

>

> Mike

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62727 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Flyer GP-7 Motor
Nice pics. Have disassembled hundreds of them...Interesting names you gave
the parts..

Steve


In a message dated 12/30/2010 2:08:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
brady@... writes:




Need to disassemble a geep?

_http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=4785_
(http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=4785)

Brady Burdge





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62728 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Mr. Yorke, I have used Xtrkcad since it was version 2x and the version 4.03A
is the current

one has provisions for designing the bench work, drawing table edges, and
laying track.

With a little work one can design separate modules and then save them as
parameter files

and then assemble them into a final layout. It has provisions for adding
structures, terrain

and scenery for 3D views, and the ability to incorporate easements
automatically, draw up yard ladders,

create multi-level tracks and create helixes to connect two levels.it
calculates grade by run and you can

specify a maximum grade and a minimum radius for curves as well. If the
track you want to use is not found

in the parameter files it is pretty simple to use custom management to add
your own parameter files, I have

made several, including one for Gilbert sectional track and turnouts. The
program is NOT Pro-Engineer or

Autocad, but it does the job of designing layouts very well indeed. One
feature that I found VERY useful is

you can populate the cars and engines that you own and then 'run' trains on
your layout as designed. I found

this to be very valuable particularly identifying spurs that were too short,
improper siding lengths, and problems

with yards, especially on the makeup and break up tracks..there are quite a
few fellows in the group who would

be glad to help you out if you run into trouble. I sure would be glad
to.have a great day!



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Yorke
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:30 PM
To: slist
Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software





Anybody using or have experience with any of the 'Open Source' (aka free)
layout/track planning software?

see
http://www.google.com/search?aq=f
<http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=model+railroad+trac
k+layout+software+open+source&cp=48>
&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=model+railroad+track+layout+software+open+source&cp=4
8

--
Paul Yorke

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62729 From: Gary Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Smoke fluids
I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid or does it have some long term ill effects?
Group: S-Trains Message: 62730 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: WD-40
For those interested, you can go to the S-Trains site at Yahoo and type in post #7261
"Fire in the Hole". A few posts on the subject of WD-40. (Feb 22 2000)

-rick e.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62731 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & eBay
Mike & Michael:

Okay. Apparently there is not too much interest in this topic. Instead of going on and on about it then, I will just say that yes, a DPDT switch can be used or a relay can be used, activated by the accessory control button. So there is no longer any excuse for not having the Cattle Car or Animated New Haven Coach on a DCC layout operating, regardless of what track system is also being used.

Now, back to what REALLY seems to interest this group: Hey everyone! Look what I found on eBay!!!!

http://shop.ebay.com/flyfisher56/m.html

This person is doing a real nice job of custom painting!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62732 From: Dave Bellian Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Last call 70- 2 oz bottles of Scalecoat Paint
Hello All, and Happy New Year. Last call for anyone needing new 2 oz. (Large bottles) of Scalecoat Paint II for plastics, wood and metal. All factory sealed. $2.50 per bottle for the complete lot and split shipping costs with buyer.
Thanks,

Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 62733 From: Martin Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
The easiest way around paypal for those that don't use it, or don't want to use it all the time is pick up in person.

Many sellers allow picking up in person. If you can't do it in person, have a friend, or a group of friends deliver payment and pickup item for you.

Who are these friends you ask? our wonderful US postal service. Most of us, use this friend daily if not multiple times a day. This seems to be a common practice amungst ebayers, although all sellers will not work with sellers on this. Just food for thought.

Marty - Usually happy, but sometimes frustrated - 12 year eBay buyer and seller.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62734 From: May Cunningham Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40.  It smokes very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has caused me to get a headache.

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote:


From: Gary <headlap2005@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:57 PM


 



I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid or does it have some long term ill effects?











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Group: S-Trains Message: 62735 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Hi Everyone!

I just completed the "story" of how my model RR'ing "grew up" with the last post on this subject on my blog. Monday I resume building again!

To finish this "story", visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62736 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
At the risk of continuing this MESS!!!!! I found this by Ambrose bauer !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
"Please add $14.00 for US-48 Shipment by UPS Ground (we do not combine shipping charges if you pay with credit card). We do NOT accept Pay Pal. International and non US-48 Addresses are Extra. No Shipments to Post Office Boxes."
 
Type in ABT in AF ebay site.... they have 5 listings and not removed..... I highlighted the Not portion....
 
Bob

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Martin <skally@...> wrote:


From: Martin <skally@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 11:29 AM


 



The easiest way around paypal for those that don't use it, or don't want to use it all the time is pick up in person.

Many sellers allow picking up in person. If you can't do it in person, have a friend, or a group of friends deliver payment and pickup item for you.

Who are these friends you ask? our wonderful US postal service. Most of us, use this friend daily if not multiple times a day. This seems to be a common practice amungst ebayers, although all sellers will not work with sellers on this. Just food for thought.

Marty - Usually happy, but sometimes frustrated - 12 year eBay buyer and seller.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62737 From: Edward Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote:
>
> My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40.  It smokes very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has caused me to get a headache.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Gary <headlap2005@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:57 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid or does it have some long term ill effects?
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62738 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from anormal@....  Happy and
safe New Year.

Bob



________________________________
From: Edward <am-flyr@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:18:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids

 
THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very
EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some
Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their
potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ...


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote:
>
> My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40.  It smokes
>very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has caused me
>to get a headache.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Gary <headlap2005@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:57 PM
>
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>  
>
>
>
> I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it
>out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid
>or does it have some long term ill effects?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62739 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
I have NO answer ... but I always laugh when I see these WD40 posts because it takes me back
to late 1999 or early 2000, when I joined this list. The infamous David Dewey (The "Duck") in California
had some VERY funny comments on this issue. I thought to myself, "I'm gonna like this place!".

- Rick E.
On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Gary wrote:

> I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid or does it have some long term ill effects?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62740 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: flyfisher, eBay
I bought a tank car from this gentleman. The bidding ended and I won it, paid
with paypal. He was on company travel. He had carried the sold items to mail out
to the winning bidders. Much to my amazement,I received a phone call and he said
if I was going to be home the next few hour that he would deliver it to me. Talk
about service and getting to meet another S gauger from another state.

Ed Eckert


________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 9:09:28 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stockyard & eBay

 
Now, back to what REALLY seems to interest this group: Hey everyone! Look what I
found on eBay!!!!

http://shop.ebay.com/flyfisher56/m.html

This person is doing a real nice job of custom painting!

Regards,
Timboy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 62741 From: May Cunningham Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
My husband is using Proto-Smoke now since I complained about the smell.  Seems to work well.

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:


From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:26 PM


 



One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from anormal@....  Happy and
safe New Year.

Bob

________________________________
From: Edward <am-flyr@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:18:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids

 
THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very
EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some
Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their
potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote:
>
> My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40.  It smokes
>very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has caused me
>to get a headache.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Gary <headlap2005@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:57 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it
>out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid
>or does it have some long term ill effects?
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62742 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
If you want low odor fluid you should try our "SMOKE CLOUD BRAND" fluid.
Dave
LBR Enterprises, llc

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote:


From: May Cunningham <mammac40@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 4:02 PM


 



My husband is using Proto-Smoke now since I complained about the smell.  Seems to work well.

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote:

From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:26 PM

 

One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from anormal@....  Happy and
safe New Year.

Bob

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From: Edward <am-flyr@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:18:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids

 
THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very
EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some
Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their
potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ...

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> My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40.  It smokes
>very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has caused me
>to get a headache.
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> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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>or does it have some long term ill effects?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62743 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
That should be _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) or
Anormal1.com....Thank You Bob, Mike


In a message dated 12/31/2010 1:00:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
aftrains4u@... writes:




One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from _anormal@..._
(mailto:anormal@...) . Happy and
safe New Year.

Bob

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From: Edward <_am-flyr@..._ (mailto:am-flyr@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:18:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids


THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very
EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart
...some
Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for
their
potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ...

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , May
Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote:
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> My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40. It
smokes
>very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has
caused me
>to get a headache.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote:
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> From: Gary <headlap2005@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:57 PM
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62744 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Sorry Mike.  I got the e-mail address wrong.  However, you have great smoke
fluid.  Happy New Year.

Bob




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From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 3:34:47 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids

 
That should be _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) or
Anormal1.com....Thank You Bob, Mike


In a message dated 12/31/2010 1:00:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
aftrains4u@... writes:

One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from _anormal@..._
(mailto:anormal@...) . Happy and
safe New Year.

Bob

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From: Edward <_am-flyr@..._ (mailto:am-flyr@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:18:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids

THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very
EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart
...some
Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for
their
potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ...

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , May
Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote:
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> My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40. It
smokes
>very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has
caused me
>to get a headache.
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> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62745 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Smoke fluid
I have not tried LBR fluid yet, so I have no idea about that one. As I said in a previous smoke fluid post, we did try many other fluids at the hobby shop. I did my own tests in my rebuilt old Flyer locos, Flyonel locos, and Putt Trains' modern versions of Rex locos. Seuthe, Smoke'n (from Putt Trains), Anormal, Super Smoke, MTH ProtoSmoke, Lionel Smoke, K-Line Smoke, and another that we stocked through Walthers (probably Suethe rebranded.) For old Flyer units "Anormal 1" from Mike Strickland is my favorite for smoke production. Seuthe and Smoke'n worked best in the others. Sadly, like the rest of Putt Trains, Smoke'n is no longer availible.
As to WD-40, I've never tried it as a smoke fluid, but we ONCE tried flushing an old smoke unit with it at the shop some years ago. It smoked a LOT! Have you ever seen fire come out of an old Lionel engine's stack?
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62746 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Stockyard & eBay
Tim,

Thanks for that information on the Stock yard.

I might try that sometime in the future.

Mike
From: Timboy
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:09 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stockyard & eBay


Mike & Michael:

Okay. Apparently there is not too much interest in this topic. Instead of going on and on about it then, I will just say that yes, a DPDT switch can be used or a relay can be used, activated by the accessory control button. So there is no longer any excuse for not having the Cattle Car or Animated New Haven Coach on a DCC layout operating, regardless of what track system is also being used.

Now, back to what REALLY seems to interest this group: Hey everyone! Look what I found on eBay!!!!

http://shop.ebay.com/flyfisher56/m.html

This person is doing a real nice job of custom painting!

Regards,
Timboy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 62747 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
Abrose Baurer are lawyers in Pittsburgh and TCA members.

They send out letters to you for them to buy your trains.

they got my address from the TCA directory which is basically a TCA no no to use to solicitate business.
they use their Lawyer stationary to sent these letters out, as all you see on the envelope is Abrose Bauer, Lawyers, Address, Pittsburgh PA zip code. I find this disturbing using lawyer stationary, as yes, it gets you attention alright, like what did I do wrong that a lawyer is contacting me especially out of state.

I complained to them and the TCA about their practices.

Personally, I would not want to use them or buy from when they should be concentrating on lawyer business.

I cannot image using these guys for a lawyer. They might spend more times with train selling then with your issues.

Mike

From: Robert Conner
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal


At the risk of continuing this MESS!!!!! I found this by Ambrose bauer !!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Please add $14.00 for US-48 Shipment by UPS Ground (we do not combine shipping charges if you pay with credit card). We do NOT accept Pay Pal. International and non US-48 Addresses are Extra. No Shipments to Post Office Boxes."

Type in ABT in AF ebay site.... they have 5 listings and not removed..... I highlighted the Not portion....

Bob

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Martin <mailto:skally%40bevcomm.net> wrote:

From: Martin <mailto:skally%40bevcomm.net>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 11:29 AM



The easiest way around paypal for those that don't use it, or don't want to use it all the time is pick up in person.

Many sellers allow picking up in person. If you can't do it in person, have a friend, or a group of friends deliver payment and pickup item for you.

Who are these friends you ask? our wonderful US postal service. Most of us, use this friend daily if not multiple times a day. This seems to be a common practice amungst ebayers, although all sellers will not work with sellers on this. Just food for thought.

Marty - Usually happy, but sometimes frustrated - 12 year eBay buyer and seller.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 62748 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
That's what I have been using for a few years now.
I like it.

- rick
On Dec 31, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Bob Iannacone wrote:

> One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from anormal@.... Happy and
> safe New Year.
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> From: Edward <am-flyr@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:18:43 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids
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> THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very
> EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some
> Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their
> potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ...
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote:
> >
> > My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40.� It smokes
> >very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has caused me
> >to get a headache.
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> > --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote:
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> > Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids
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Group: S-Trains Message: 62749 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Flyerville Polka
Da-Da-Da-Da-Ta-Da – Flyers!
We're from the town with that great Flyer train,
We cheer the Gilbert Flyers.
AC and all his friends are all on the layout.
Go out and get them, Flyers.

Guilford, and New Haven and Mini-Craft and Branford.
We love you American Flyers.
It's been many years in coming,
Just keep that American Flyer machinery humming

Reverse unit, Reverse unit, keep them cycling, keep adjusting that pawl.
Smoke box, Smoke box, keep the Flyers always best of all!
AC, AC, do your thing against the other trains,
You run from year to year, we're so glad to run you here,
Now join with me, and sing that Flyer cheer-er-ER!

We're from the town with that great Flyer train,
We cheer the Gilbert Flyers.
Running's a habit, not only a dream,
Go out and get them, Flyers.
Guilford's Gorillas are here for the show,
And so it AC's army,
It's been many years in coming,
Just keep that Flyer machinery humming

Chuff-chuff, chuff-chuff, take that smoking all way up the track!
Chuff-chuff, chuff-chuff, let's smoke and smoke and never lack!
Open-frame motors, can you believe we have a running train?

The Flyers are so great and so hard to overrate,
Good things will come to those who work and wait.
Da-Da-Da-Da-Ta-Da – Flyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


More? http://timboystrainsongs.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 62750 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: happy new year
May your days be merry all year,
May your days be healthy all year,
May your days be prosperous all year.

Jim "All the best from the Pennsy Main" Lyle








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Group: S-Trains Message: 62751 From: John Metzger Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
WD40 I find works if put down the american flyer smoke stack 12 to 24 hours
before running the steam engine.  It soften up any hard caked oil and is iself
flamible. But you can not just use WD40. After you start running the team
engine, one must use smoke oil. If this does not work then the smoke unit needs
to be repaired.  JOHN METZGER 




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From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 10:47:57 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids

 
I have NO answer ... but I always laugh when I see these WD40 posts because it
takes me back
to late 1999 or early 2000, when I joined this list. The infamous David Dewey
(The "Duck") in California
had some VERY funny comments on this issue. I thought to myself, "I'm gonna like
this place!".

- Rick E.
On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Gary wrote:

> I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it
>out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid
>or does it have some long term ill effects?
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